Community Enhancement Board - Regular Meeting

um is our chair here with us tonight i am hi hello how are you great great um so i have sent you email back so i well for those of you that don't know my name is jubilee i'm the director of community solutions for the village so now um leo being gone i'm taking over um the enhancement board of the liaison resident services. So I know most of you, typically our chair would run the board for resident service. I'm comfortable doing that. I would like you to go ahead and do so if possible. I know things maybe were different protocol previously, but if you're comfortable doing that.

Yes, yes, absolutely, absolutely. I'm sure there'll be a little bit of an adjustment period as we fend for ourselves without Leo here to remind us of the process and procedure. Absolutely, absolutely. So, look, I have the agenda items here. So calling to order the meeting at 6.33, the Community Enhancement Board meeting 24 September. If we proceed with a roll call, typically Leo would go through the roll call.

You're welcome to do so. I think we would just say.

All right. Absolutely. Jacob Petrini.

Here.

Alexi Segal.

Here.

Chris Cotton. Here. Nick. Quay. is on the Zoom. But we can't see his face yet. All right. Here. So we have a quorum and can proceed.

Ms. Buriga, this is Alba Chang, the village clerk. How are you guys doing? Hey, everybody. Good evening. I just wanted to chime in real quickly because I understand Mr. Quay has not been sworn in yet for this particular board. So I don't know if he's able to... He's listening. Nick, are you there? So maybe not. So... I just needed to get him sworn in so that he can actually go ahead and participate in the meeting. But whenever he's ready, I'd be more than happy to sworn him in before he can participate. You guys can proceed with your meeting. Thanks for picking that up, Albert.

Appreciate it. No, you're welcome. So moving to the approval of the meeting minutes.

There we go. Okay. Jeez. Can you guys hear me? Yeah, he's coming out of nowhere. Yeah, that was kind of wild, right? I don't know. Anyway, I've been here. I'm just pressing buttons trying to see myself. All right.

All right, Nick, it's Alba. How are you?

Good. How are you doing?

I'm great. I'm going to go ahead and swear you in so you can participate in the board.

All right.

All right. If you could just repeat after me, I and state your name.

I and state your name.

No, say your name.

I know, come on. I'm Nicholas Quay.

A legal resident of the state of Florida.

A legal resident of the state of Florida.

And being a community enhancement board member.

And being made community enhancement board member.

Do hereby solemnly swear.

Do hereby solemnly swear.

That I support and obey.

That I support and obey.

The Constitution of the United States.

Constitution of the United States.

And the state of Florida.

And the state of Florida.

And I... And that I will in all respects.

And that I will in all respects.

Observe the provisions of the charter.

Observe the provisions of the charter.

And ordinance of the village.

And ordinance of the village.

All right. Thank you, Nick.

Thank you.

Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you.

So moving to the approval of the minutes, my understanding is that the minutes from the April 30 meeting haven't yet been circulated. And I suspect that the staffing changes and shortages has probably contributed to that. So we're a bit behind on that. And given that we don't have a draft in front of us, what I propose we do is that we defer approval until our next session, at which point we can approve these minutes and the April minutes. Is that possible?

Alba, if you're still on.

Yes, it is possible. We'll go ahead and include both packets on the next board meeting.

Great, great. And just on that point, I know that Leo was preparing the minutes for, within a week or two after these meetings. Do we have someone who's preparing those or do we have that responsibility allocated within this board?

So, yeah, among the board members, you would have to decide. Usually it's the secretary of the board that would prepare them, but among each other, you would need to have a consensus on who will be drafting them. And obviously our office assists, but we would need somebody to draft them.

I was looking at them, but I was kind of not clear on what was needed. I was like, am I just taking them from the AI chatbot and just transferring them over? I didn't really have anything new to add on there. So I was kind of like, what am I to do? Do I need to discuss with you guys to add things?

We can definitely assist, but we actually have a general template. I believe that Isabel shared it with you guys.

Yeah, I had it.

It's just a very simple, like the day that you guys... held the meeting, who attended, the actions that your recommendations you are making to the commission, and when it was adjourned. But it's a very simple template. And then obviously summarizing what you guys are discussing.

Based off of the summary from what was sent.

Yeah, I think, you know, I laughed when you said the AI chatbot, but I think that's a great idea. A lot of people, I would just take the highlights of it. A lot of the stuff, like it says, procedure issues, staffing, we don't need all that in there. But the things that are actually conversation points, like talking about projects, signs, finance, things that we don't have information on, I would just kind of put a note, pull those out and copy and paste it into the format for the city. I think that's a really quick and intelligent way to do it. And if she circulates it anyway, it gets sent out to everybody. But that's probably the best way to make it easy on yourself.

Got it. Cause yeah, I was transferring and I'm like, so all I'm doing is copying and pasting and it seems like kind of silly.

Most of the meeting minutes are simple. It's like a meeting started roll call meeting ended, but we had stuff in the middle, like, Hey, these are the five topics that got discussed. These three topics got cleared out. These two topics need more information. You know, a lot of times our meeting ends with, hey, we need our city liaison to go back to the dais and ask questions. Someone's got to ask the city manager questions or something like that. So I would just put main things discussed and then items that are left open. And then it comes back on our meeting the next month. And then Andy or Alba or whoever or Julie can follow up with the city side for us to get us answers before we get to the next meeting.

All right, good stuff. Thank you.

Great. Thanks, Nick. That was really helpful. Moving to agenda number three, which is, well, three subsections, updates on the projects that we've been working on over the last year or so. Julie, is this with you? Starting with the first one, which is update on the Art in Public Places initiative.

So I can chime in if it's something that I might know about. So if you wanna leave the discussion, I can see if I can answer questions.

I don't have any updates on the Art in Public Places Initiative. Does anyone have any updates on that?

No, it was in our email and text request. It was in our email and text request that we got an update. Julie, what do you know about that? Are we kind of dead in the water on that right now?

If you just mean some of the art projects that we've done around the village in public places, I don't know of any right now other than I know there was a call to artists for the community center for Village Hall. That's the county playing that. Other than that, I don't think we have anything active.

Is that still a, whoa, the call to artists is closed? They already picked it?

I don't know when the deadline, I know it goes through the county.

Yeah, it goes cause it's a partnership. So it would go through the county, but then it usually, usually it comes back to us and something like that. It gets submitted out to these different groups that have thousands of artists all over the country. And then we ended up getting 70, 80, a hundred submissions and then someone's got to go through them. So usually they would give it to us like on a, um, we did it and we were doing it in person. It'd be like a folder, which I hate to waste the paper. But they'd send it to us. It'd be like on a drive link. And then we'd kind of do like a litman's test. If they couldn't answer the first five questions, you skip it. If they were close, it'd be up to one of us to champion it and ask for more information. That's how we did it before. It's a big process. It's really quick. But I'd love to know where that's at because that'd be something for us to look at.

I'll help follow up on this one. I don't think there has been much movement on selecting artists for the town hall project yet. We're a little bit delayed on that. I think this item was just as what we've been successful on the past. We've had a dozen art projects. I think it was just on there. If there's any others, which I don't think at the at the moment we have any, you know, current ideas or. projects that we're working on here. So unless anybody has any ideas to bring back to the table, I don't think there's anything active for current art in public places.

So the two questions I would have, I know we talked about this earlier in the year, we were looking at activating the West Bridge. I think we got approved a three-tone color scheme for that. to do kind of linear artistic designs and three color tones. I think FDOT approved it up to three colors. Does anyone know what happened with that?

Yeah, I have an email. I mean, Leo was on that. It sounded like it was positive, but then I think FDOT shut us down to do pretty much anything on these bridges. Okay. We can get it.

That's what I thought the last update was. Yeah, I remember that.

Apparently it was distracting. Or safety issue.

Sure, whatever. And we could bring it up at the 10-year, which I think is coming up in a few years for the full roadway or something. It's frustrating.

Go ahead.

I was just going to say the same that, yeah, the general FDOT, we need to get back with somebody who can lobby with one of their district commissioners or whoever covers our area because they haven't allowed us to do anything. We wanted the bike lanes, the path, the paint, the curb meridians. I think that all got shut down by them. So we really don't have a strong connection there.

Can we circulate the names? Because it might be somebody that some of us have a connection with somehow.

Yeah, I'll share that with you, Nick. I mean, we do have a district commissioner of FDLT for our area.

Yeah, I mean, I'll throw it in my private chats and see if anybody knows them directly and maybe they can put a group text together. I mean, you know how it is. It's all relationships with this stuff.

Agreed. And I'm sorry, I cut Alexi. I cut someone off, right? Who was speaking? Yeah, that was me.

You know, after we had this meeting in April, I feel like the more I'm driving around, the more I'm seeing roadways painted. So maybe I could start documenting where that is and maybe we can, you know, reach out to whatever that village, town, city is and see how they went about it to get, you know, the approval for their streets painted. Because I definitely see it, you know, throughout Miami. So we should not be the exception.

I think the crosswalks, cross rocks, anything safety-based would be a good priority to push with them.

Agreed.

So Julie, I'll make a note as well, but I'll make a note as well that to loop back, I'll share with whoever from this group wants our district commissioner as well as myself that this has been on my to-do list for a while as well to see if we can improve some relations. I know we had, you know, through Leo and others made outreach to them before, which have not ultimately been successful to get done what we want but i think that it should uh it should be revisited i think it's been almost probably a year since we've tried to ignite some of these initiatives yeah i'll make note and i guess if the county one's still open we could get that if if there's a link for the call to artists which there should be if that's still open let us know because maybe there's

And I can see who's submitted already. And if there's people that we want to see on it, maybe do a submission. There's a couple of really big groups now that are more local. I know we had that before where a lot of non-local people submit, which is fine too. Or like somebody local submits and they bring in other people to fulfill it, which always kind of annoyed me. But I know that's part of, it's part of, you know, funding from city. It happens with all types of bids. So it'd be good to kind of look at that and see if we have some other local groups that might be good to do some nice art for us that follows what we're looking for in the village.

I noticed that the east sea wall, that east wall one was looking like it was deteriorating a little bit. I thought that was kind of a bummer. I thought it would last a little bit longer. Which wall are you talking about? This is the sneaky wall that's over there, the east one by the Grandview Palace over here. And most people wouldn't walk by. You wouldn't walk by it over there where you're at in Moda.

You said the sneaky wall. Oh, the one like that goes down.

Where we had that last call to artists.

Yeah, the last big project we did.

110 foot. So I was there. I find it almost impossible to park and go anywhere over there. So I try to walk over there and hang out there, but now I got to park literally four blocks away to walk.

Yeah, there is no parking over there.

No. So what are you seeing over there?

I know it was supposed to be coated with something that would last through the weather, and it still looks nice. It's better than how it was before, but I'm like, man, it's kind of already chipping and fading, which I guess is normal. I just thought... for that cost, that there would be something.

I wonder if that's, is there any, remind me, is there any landscaping equipment or anything that's being driven down that path?

No, no landscaping equipment, just regular weathering, regular weathering. It's even kind of tree covered a little bit. And just, I know that like they were pushing this whole like, oh, it's got this gloss on it and it lasts through the weather.

And I'm like, yeah, give it a little bit longer and then we'll start being... Yeah, because we don't, unfortunately, the way the city works, and I don't like this about it. I've been pretty vocal about it. Once it gets past our board, it kind of gets in the hands of the city attorney and the accounting. And then I don't like that it leaves our hands completely because it loses any kind of real oversight of anyone that really knows what's going on, I think. And so it gets in their hands. We don't even get involved in doing like a review when it's over, which... Not that we're looking artistically at it, but the coating would be important. I mean, you look at the other walls, and I haven't noticed any of them chipping or cracking or really fading at all. Not the big wall on the first building that we did to welcome the North Bay Valley. It's not the one we're talking about.

yeah next time next time you get a chance to check it out you'll see what i'm talking about thor i remember it wasn't i believe it yeah it's dumb and it's like okay and it still looks nice you see the colors you see what's going on there but i'm like man give it another year and you may not be able to make out the bird or the butterfly it'll just that sucks they need to have oversight on that and make sure that it's cleared and come out there yeah yeah um are we holding money back on that is it

I know, is it half up front, half when it's finished? Does anybody, Andy or Julie, know? Had already been a while. Yeah, this is... Oh, but I mean, for the next job, I mean, is our policy to give them half up front, half at the end, or is it just everybody paid up front and there's no recourse and no money we can hold over them to clear code and make sure it's done right at the end? You know what I'm asking?

Yeah, like a retainage on it after, make sure everything's all good.

No, I just mean that Hey, we painted it. And then somebody from the city walks out and goes, okay, did you clear it? Make sure that we cleared it, verify that there's clear code on it. And then the rest of the money gets released. Like most jobs, you get a percentage up front of percentage at the end. Cause if not, how do you know if they're really clear coded or not?

I mean, yeah, I just, I noticed it when I walked by and I'm like, Oh, it's steadily deteriorated a little bit. Give it a while. I'm like, I don't know. You got to read clear code or touch up. I don't know.

It's been a year maybe.

Maybe more. Time starts flying by.

I remember it was, it would have been January 2020, beginning, yeah, beginning of 25. I remember I had a broken arm.

Yeah, it didn't seem that long ago, but then, yeah, so, yeah, a year ago. So you're like, man, for that cost, for one year of it. That's a lot of money.

Are you talking about the South Plaza or the North Plaza?

Yep.

I remember the artist telling me, I met her down there for a video I was doing. I remember her telling me that it was something with the Forest Rock. And I remember she- It is Forest. It is Forest Rock. I remember it now. But I don't know any update on that, but that's something that we could go down there and take a look. And I could reach out to our guys here and see if we have a budget for anything.

To clean it up, if that's what you're... Yeah, just to not lose it or to touch up extra gloss, just something to where it doesn't just deteriorate more and then two years after that, it's like it never happens or something.

That happens with a lot of projects here. We self-financed one in Vogel Park that you don't even know exists. We did a butterfly garden. We did a raised plant. This is private money, not from the city, but we got approval. And It's gone. We even had, we had butterfly plans, all this beautiful stuff there spent a significant amount of money and time to do it. And now it's brought in a local community volunteer group, raised our money privately. And it's, you know, it's like, it is what it is. A lot of these things, they last a couple of years. You do it. It feels good to do it. The city enjoys it for a little while. And then somebody else comes in and doesn't know what it is or doesn't care. You know, kids kick it, landscapers hit it, and they just don't understand that it needs to be there or not. It's the city.

On the half.

Yeah. When we did that, I don't remember. It was like six years ago.

No, no. It was like two and a half, three.

The butterfly garden?

No, that's what I'm asking. Is it the one in Vogel, the facility with the bathrooms?

You're talking about the mural. I'm talking about way before that. Oh, yeah. We privately raised money for a big butterfly garden, like a community. I know, I know, because it got destroyed before you even came in. And then the remnants of what plants we had left were there against that wall. And that that girl that did that mural really got me on that one. I was not not a happy camper. We still had a bunch of plants there. And instead of relocating them to put them back, they just came in and just ripped them all out.

Oh, I did hear about this.

Oh, yeah, I'm sure. You probably heard me ranting. Anyway, it is what it is. So the point is it's got a lifespan in the city.

I think this speaks to the challenges of, like, deciding what art works and what art is appropriate and in the in the context of like it being public right um and maybe it's and i think this is a good discussion talking about the longevity and making sure that it lasts durability that sort of thing so perhaps what this board could do is start thinking about settings like some perhaps some clean standards Like the durability, the maintenance, accountability for public art going forward. So especially with the new buildings that are coming up, if we are going to make a call for artists, perhaps one of the things that we do ask them to talk about or include as part of their submission is requiring them to specify materials and provide a maintenance plan or like just their proposal for long-term sustainability in light of where they're going to either paint a mural or provide a sculpture or whatever the project happens to be.

Yeah, agreed. The thing is with that, yeah, if you look at the way, so I don't know how they're going to do this now, but if you look at the 100-year master plan and the new code and everything that requires them to have both public art and public access on the waterfront side and green space for the community, I don't know how I would have to revisit it. I don't remember how strict the oversight was from a city perspective. I think it was, you're required to have public art. You're required to have public access. The public access stuff has to go through zoning the art. They're supposed to be like an approved list, which really isn't really an approved list. It's anyone that submitted before, um, that was like a decent applicant. It wasn't a solid process for it. We tried, but anyway, um, So I don't know that they have to come to us at all. I know they have to be careful what they put, but we might have to have the commissioners put it on the table and have them make a change to require that it's done in a way that creates longevity and resiliency. Because I know they have certain rules, but I don't remember putting clear coding and things when we created that six or seven years ago. It took us a while. We did the 100-year master plan, which is a long project. And then we got it that way. Then we did a branding committee for two years. And then we did the Heart of the Bay. And then it kind of merged with this one. But anyway, that whole thing could be revisited. I know Andy would probably love to champion that or somebody. I know he would. You know, I know, you know, Ms. Streitfeld would get behind that too, making it, because it's good for everybody. If they're going to put public art, you don't want it to look like garbage in two years or a year. So I think that, especially on the water, the wind, the water is tough.

It's right by the water there, but that porous rock, it makes sense. It's like, man, how can anything last long if the rock is like that?

You'll see it if you see it. The new construction is going to have like the different kind of paint on the outside anyway, but The point is it needs to be put, I think, into the code and maybe we need to bounce it through the commission to get that done. If not, I don't think we have, we don't have the authority to do that. We'd have to go through the commission.

Just because we were talking about the deadline for the Miami-Dade County Art in Public Places for Village Hall, the deadline was, it just passed, it was Monday. So just in case anyone's interested as, Just as far as an update on that, it looks like after that, once the deadline's passed, the Miami-Dade County professional group, professional commission would rank the artists tomorrow, and then we'll put it on the commission in October. is what I'm looking here for an email.

Is this for our new town hall, Julie? This is for the Village Hall Public Safety Complex, yeah.

Yeah. Great. So we'll probably hear something back in the next coming days.

Oh, great. Okay. We should put that on the agenda for next week, for next meeting then, just to follow up.

Where is that slated to be?

On Harbor, across from the Shell Station over there. They have the construction fencing that says North Bay Village on it. They used to call it the Secura lot. There was a restaurant there called Secura years ago. But it's on the southwest side of the street right across from the Shell Station. On the 79th Street side, there's a big parking lot. You'll see it when you drive by. There's a big parking lot next to it.

Yes, I know what you're talking about.

You'll see it. I mean, you'll see the construction wall out there, the tape. We got a lot of construction going on. Well, it's the only one on 79th Street next to the Shell Station, so it makes it a little bit easier. But yeah, there's a lot of construction going on.

Yeah. In that area now. Yeah, right down the street.

Yeah, so they're going to do fire there too. So the fire is going to be downstairs and then we'll have fire on the island.

Miami-Dade fire, right?

Yeah, because currently we're from Pelican Harbor and we have some kind of an agreement with them. But if there's ever an emergency and the bridge is up. Ah, yes. Emergency and bridge is up. It happens. Never even thought of that. Oh, yeah. Well, it's a big safety concern. You know, if not, they either got to drive all the way around. Yeah.

They just won't be able to get over if there's an emergency. Yeah. You got to bring the boat.

I don't know. Yeah. So it's going to be good. And it's a really cool project. It's going to be some mixed use, some office space.

Yeah, it'll be new.

Talked about a restaurant on the roof. I don't know how far that got, but that was the original plan.

Oh, roof restaurant. Yes. North Bay Village does need its first roof restaurant.

first one might be in the um the tower being built on the east side shoma shoma it's the um um oh i know the shoma so it's to get an update on because it hasn't moved in months i don't know but they have a whole rooftop thing there spa restaurant lounge yeah they got a whole bunch of they got a whole grab bag and stuff going on it's a dean martin uh dean martin tribute

Hey Andy, what is the update on Shoma?

The latest is that we did meet, I think 99% of the contingencies to give them their building permit. Now it's ultimately on them to finalize it and begin, which is, it should be imminent. Uh, We really hope that they can break ground before the end of the year. At this point, it's not a holdup from us. We did work out what was needed um there is possible you know it's it's a it's a difficult market so i don't know if they're in position to to begin construction transparently yeah uh you know i think that's the reality i think if they were in position and ready uh to begin they would but optimistically you know that project will break ground this year if you've noticed continuum has so continuum we got going um continuum broke ground and the community center also has officially broke ground so the affleck community center has you know that project is moving continuum is moving and you know in the perfect world shoma will uh will be moving this year as well but um at the moment i haven't heard anything from them you know in at least the last 30 days to be honest But at this point, any of the, I think, you know, agreements have been, we did reach, you know, there were, if you heard some development agreements or discrepancies, this, this has been, this has been met. So there are no holdups with us from, from them moving forward.

Okay. Thanks. This is really helpful because we haven't actually, it's been a minute since we've all been together to have an update from you on this. I think it's May, June, July. It's like almost five months basically. So this is really helpful.

Wow. Has it been that long?

When we did the virtual meeting, I thought we were going to go to the city hall. Me too.

I actually showed up at City Hall. I didn't even see the difference.

I'm still sitting in a car. Next one, we should have it in person.

Yeah, I don't mind. I like to come to my apartment and log in.

All right, moving to 3B, which is the update on Pirate's Alley activation efforts. I think the last that I recall happening on this was that three or four of us went through Pirate's Alley at the last meeting. I think, Jacob, you were on Zoom as we took you through the darkened alley.

Quite a few months ago, yeah.

Yeah, those conversations, I think that was a long time ago. It was a really long time ago. I don't think there was any, I don't think there, as far as I'm aware anyway, I don't think that there are any concrete kind of plans or even like plans for to have plans for this at this stage given the given the kind of like um given the construction around pirates alley given the fact that it's going to be changing really soon and there are like limited kind of like that there are limited opportunities for us to do anything that would be meaningful before it all kind of changes again in the next couple of years yeah i think that the only way to do it is to do it as a fair but the thing is really there's better space you have the um

What are we calling the space behind the Shell Station? I don't know. Mayor Latham did quite a few meetings there for a while during COVID. The Civic Park? Yeah, there you go, Civic Park. So I heard Sally has parking, and then I know that the Anson family would probably let us use the parking across the street there since they own that other building on the west side. The only way to do anything there is to activate it, you know, like an outdoor, like a fair farmer's market. We talked about it, but there's better locations around really that are prettier. And I just, with all the commercial business there and the trucks during the week, it's kind of hard to do anything. I know they talked about changing some of that later on, but it's really, you know, it's a great idea, but I think there's better use of time and space in prettier locations. If we wanted to do something, we can activate one of the parking lots for a day. I mean, there's just on the water, there's just better. I don't know. I just think there's better things that we can do with that time. Um, knowing that it's going to change so much in the next three, three to five years.

Yeah, I agree. Um, okay.

So we should probably, I think we've exhausted all the rule. places to put public art.

I think Pirate Valley should be shelved for my being.

The only next spot is the North Park there where the 110-foot mural is we're talking about. The long-term plan was to connect that by water underneath the bridge for the island walk at some point. That was part of the plan. And then the city owns that little North Park right there I know they were talking about doing, I think the sculpture went in. I think there's a sculpture there. We're going to do something else and try to activate that. But it's really, it's kind of inaccessible unless you live in Bridgewater. It's not really worth doing. You know, the city, the locals aren't going to benefit from it right now. I mean, just like the way with all the parking situation, they really don't even get to use that walkway that we have now, unless you live in the building. So it's kind of, You know, we're kind of running out of spaces to do public art, unless we do more partnerships like what we did on Harbor. Um, the metal structure is great. Every time I'm out walking the dog, people are taking photos of it on boat, paddleboard too. I think that's the kind of stuff we can lean into. You know, there's, there's a few other locations that we could put something like that. Um, you know, and I think people taking photos is good. It's good for branding for the, for the city. you know, whether it says Heart of the Bay or North Bay Village. I think other than that, street signs are done. The bus stops, I think, got put on hold.

Well, yeah, that was, I mean, that was part of our update. And I think, Andy, you were going to update us on, I know the street signs are done, but planters, we talked about a couple of meetings. And, you know, the bus shelters.

The bus shelters, we had received one bid for the bus shelter. It went out to bid, right? It received one bid. And then apparently through internal review, the one person who bid didn't meet criteria. So it went back out to bid where it is currently. And there is a call right now and it should end again. And hopefully we have... more than one bidder and qualified. But this went out to bid. There was one bidder. The bidder apparently didn't meet the qualifications that the city needed. So it went back out to bid where it either is now or is almost done. It's been back out to bid for at least a few weeks. So hopefully we get a qualified applicant to put them in. But it is moving forward.

Okay.

How do we get a copy of that link? Because maybe we could send that out to

Ah, shoot. What's the name of the place where we put our... DemandStar. Yeah, DemandStar, right? So there's a public portal where vendors... DemandStar? Oh. Where they have to submit their application.

I'm looking at the public notice. When is it open?

Yeah, can you... It's been the second call. This is the second issuing of the bus shops. And I think it got pushed forth on our last. Oh, yeah. It was just issued.

Yeah.

Just issued. So we had last. Yeah. Last week, which was. But that's the second round. It went out in August or July. It did get one applicant, but apparently. that one applicant that came in didn't meet criteria. I don't know if that means they don't have a general insurance policy of what's needed or whatever requirements the city needed. They ultimately said this vendor doesn't work. So it had to go back out to bid. And hopefully this time around, we get more than one. Okay.

How long has it been in process altogether then, Andy? Would we have an update? Would we have, sorry. Yeah. Someone, would we have a conclusion by next meeting?

The bid process is only 30 days so that we should have a finalized bid process. If there are more than one qualified bidders, then I do think that we would probably need one more month to select from the two. But I would think that if not by October, by November, hopefully we have our vendor and then it should be able to move forward. Yeah.

If you haven't suggested them to add a Rango billboard as a supplemental supplier on DemandStar, they actually just want to bid for Doral to put our new trolley shelters in. Okay. You don't want to have the same thing happen where you get one bidder and then you want to have a three or more.

Can somebody circulate that? I'm not finding it on DemandStar for some reason.

Okay. Type in ITB number 2025-007. IT? ITB number 2025. I'm sorry, B as in Victor or B as in boy? B as in boy, ITB, invitation to bid. Sorry, that's what I do is procurement.

And what's the number? Yeah, appreciate the knowledge, Chris. Yeah, 2025-007.

Short-term improvements, supply and installation of new bus shelters, pedestrian safety enhancements.

So it was reissued last week, and I think that it would close by mid-October. So they just stay out there for 30 days.

And that's ondemandstar.com?

It should be, yeah.

I wasn't looking at it on Demand Star, but you might have to have a login to see it.

Yeah, maybe. Yeah, it's not. Well, anyway, if you have a link you can circulate or something, let me know because then I'll send that out to all my networks too.

Yeah, basically, legitimately, Arango Billboard just won a solicitation. We had like five different vendors submit and Arango Billboard came in as the lowest, most responsive bidder. And they're doing the exact same thing. We have the trolley shelter parts. They're just putting it together and installing them. And I think that's kind of the same thing you guys are doing.

Yeah.

Or we're doing.

And it's funded so it can move forward. I mean, we don't, that's, that's always a big part of moving these projects forward too. So, I mean, the, the, the budgeting is there for this.

Great. Okay. Um, new business. Uh, all right. The music event that happened a couple of months ago was... It was... I don't know. Does anyone have any comments on the music event? It was one of Leo's friends or colleagues from the university.

I'm upset that I missed it.

I think...

It flew underneath my radar. I was like, wait, I wrote it in my calendar. And I was like, wait. And I remember it passed. And then I looked and I was like, Oh, I missed it. Like I would have like left work early to like go check it out.

It flew under most people's radar. I think we're all very appreciative to everyone who made the Music Afternoon happen. And I think as a pilot, we learned some pretty interesting, as a pilot program, we learned some pretty interesting lessons from it. The feedback was really positive. And I think the school location worked well logistically. And the artist, the guitar player, he was fantastic. Attendance was really low. It was much lower than what we had hoped. And I think what had happened was that it just wasn't advertised. And it was in that perhaps... like maybe two or three week period just as Leo was leaving and perhaps it fell off his radar. And anyway, I don't think the, I don't think, I don't, I don't think it got, it wasn't put on people's radars like it was intended to. And the people who stopped by were the residents who just kind of happened to be passing through who thought it was phenomenal. We're really excited that this was potentially like a future regular thing happening in the village. So I think everyone thinks that it should have potential.

but i think we need to do a better job of outreach and visibility yep agreed um is there a chat in here i have the exact link on uh demand star you can see it i don't know if there is a chat is it disabled yeah i'm looking i see like a chat disabled uh no i think because i think it's got to go through email because it's in a city

Who's a Julie? Are you able to open the chat? Are you able to are you able to drop that that link for us?

Yeah, because I have the link I mean Can you just drop the link into the email that goes around Oh, yeah, I'm going to right now I Am replying wait. No, this is not reply. Oh, I on the regular community enhancement email, right? Tonight's community enhancement board meeting.

Hi, sorry, guys. I'm in the office, and so I just was chatting with the mayor about a couple things that we have tomorrow.

No problem. We're just talking about the music event, Julie, and I suppose my question is to everyone whether, like, So the takeaways were the venue works at least for that particular artist. The artist feedback was great, but outreach was, and like visibility wasn't as like high as we had. It didn't result in the number of like, in the like participation that we had hoped for. So, or attendance.

I remember some of the other suggestions we had said where we should have organized a food truck and we should have organized some chairs. Having chairs and food truck and proper advertisement, I think.

Yeah. So I guess my question is more broadly, like, do we... Is this something... Like, should we lock in, like, a simple recurring format on this so we can go forward, like, I don't know, maybe once every couple of... Once every two months, once every month, like...

So I will say that we have a lot of events. We have a pretty limited team right now. So we have National Night Out coming up October 7th at Global Park. We have our 80th anniversary on the 15th of October. We have Halloween on the 30th. And then we're going to go right into our holiday winter wonderland. So there's just two of us putting a lot of these things together. I would say, so it's something that we can maybe, maybe I don't know if you're interested, we can bring like pop-up musicians to some of these events, or if we do something like a one-off, it might be easier for us to do something just every now and then rather than reoccurring, but more so we just don't have the budget for it. So if Commissioner Darrow wants to sponsor it and have this, the entire event be something that he wants to do as like a quick music and a perfect thing, maybe in the spring or maybe right between Halloween and Christmas or something, if he wants to use his funds for that, that's something we could do, but the budget is a big, um, is a big part of it. So I just want everyone to be.

Yeah. Understood. Thanks for raising, thanks for raising that joy. And that's an important, hugely important part of any of these things on. I like, I like the idea. I like the idea of bringing pop-up performers into existing, um, festivals or, um, events already planned.

Yeah. And we have a pretty robust event calendar. So, um, You know, let me know if you want more information about different events that we have. We're even adding the resident services board with adding a possible dance class to Ogle Park on either maybe Mondays or Fridays. So they're just bringing a instructor and it's for free for a couple classes to see if people like it. So there's different initiatives that we can start. So if there's any musician that you guys know that would do it for free, I think that might be something where we could start from there and see if people like it. We're always looking for different things.

We did have someone that lived in Grandview Palace that stopped by that was, I think she was president of the Musicians Association of South Florida. So I can try and find her number and see if there's any folks that are willing to do that. Because I think they're also just trying to get names out there and promote different artists within the group.

Yeah, she was a great resource, wasn't she, Jacob?

One thing we can maybe do is if budget is a concern, we can open up to the restaurants in the village and say, you know, you could set up there and charge people whatever you want to charge. We don't pay them to be there. And so they could, you know, it's another alternative source of revenue and to get, you know, more recognition about their name. Just an idea. Yeah.

Yeah, like partnering with local restaurants.

Yeah.

Kind of thing. I thought we did have something like that a little while ago. I might be mistaken.

Just an idea.

Yeah. Sorry, did I cut someone off? So 4B, moving on, refers to creating a first Friday monthly community event series. Was that someone's particular idea? Was that one of your ideas, Jacob?

It may have been, but I think it was linked to the music stuff and I think after what Julie just said. I think doing the more random pop-ups maybe in the times of the year where we don't have other activities might be the way to go.

Yep.

I think eventually getting to something like that, I think would be amazing, but I don't know if we necessarily have the resources, the community engagement and such. Like, I mean, there's definitely places the size of us that can have that, but I think we have to build up towards that.

Yeah. Yeah. Agreed. Until you said that we do it, like the low hanging fruit is like being like kind of piggybacking off the existing events that we already have.

Yeah. Agreed.

Yeah.

electronic so ev charging stations um was that one's on my list for sure and like there's a lot of businesses that we have around here that i think we could support in some ways like at least the gas station i forget which one is a speedway maybe or one of them has like 12 spots that are just sitting there that are never full it'd be great if we as a community can either help promote that or work with them to help put them in because there's a lot of buildings here that don't have charging and have boards that are not very adept at looking at the future.

And if you don't have, I mean, when I lived in and I didn't have my own charger, I'd have to drive to Walmart to go charge my car if I wanted it to charge fast. So to get to Walmart from here would be a disaster. So I think that's a great idea. Not just Tesla chargers, but the universal too.

Regular, slower, yeah, everything kind of chargers. I'm just curious, do we have relationships with the gas stations and other businesses here to help support some of that?

Yeah, we have relationships with every business owner here. I mean, it's a small village. So the answer is yes there. What I think we should do is we should request that the grant writer for the city look into... some kind of incentive subsidies to do the chargers because, well, and actually, so I don't know if you're all aware of this, but that $7,500 tax break or whatever it was that we were getting from the government Trump and his people voted against it. I think it ends next week. I think the end of next week or end of September is when that $7,500 incentive for new EV owners goes away. So there might be something at a state level, federal funding, I'm going to take a wild guess. that unless we call it some kind of another city amenity or city improvement, probably specifically for EV, they might be removing those just from what's happening. However, the grant writer should be able to see if there's anything for community services and that kind of things.

Yeah, I think that's worth looking to. I mean, also just putting in like the tier two chargers at different buildings, depending on where their electrical are, like even promoting like small investments here. Like it doesn't, they don't necessarily have to cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. There's also like Tesla's put out their own program where like businesses can buy into it and host their own and then make money off the chargers. So it could actually be a money-making venture for the city as well, depending on what it is. So I don't know.

Tesla does...

I couldn't hear you. The audio broke up.

What was it?

I think it's called Tesla destination.

Yeah. Something like that. Um, cause they, anyone could buy up plots of land and start putting them in themselves and then set their own rates. Um, Yeah, how would we go about looking into this? Because I know we can't necessarily work behind the scenes. It has to be more public-facing. Is this something we can do research on and provide to them?

The research doesn't have to be public-facing. That's you going to Google or anyone going to Google and then making it. I think what has to be public-facing is if we're plotting and planning and planning something through that. Somebody from here going to Google, doing the research, circulating a link, and then going to business owners, that has nothing to do with Sunshine Mall.

Well, I guess more so, like, how do we make sure things move forward after we do the research and it just doesn't sit there? Like, what kind of actions would we have to do?

We ask the city liaison to give us a list that we have of the contacts for the business owners. And then we ask, we can always go before the commission when we do the update and say, hey, commission, we had this idea. We think this is really good for the city. We think this is a benefit to the community, to the neighbors. Does anyone have a contact in these five places? Or you can just reach out. You can send an email. Julie can forward it. And it's really that easy. HAB-Jacques Juilland, Not someone's going to have to grab it and run with it because the city doesn't have the bandwidth to do that, or they would have so one of us or a couple of us can grab it and run with it was what I would suggest HAB-Charlotte Pitts, I'm sorry.

What I was trying to say was that on October 21 is our HAB-Charlotte Pitts, Our October meeting, obviously. So you're more than welcome to come and pitch your ideas or something like that. And so if the Congressive admission is on board and then we put it as an item and they vote, then we can kind of move forward with that as an initiative. And if they find the money and if everyone votes for it, then that's, you know, an official thing we can move forward. So that's probably the best bet. Okay.

I mean, city hall might be a good place for it. I don't know about their parking situation. I know that's going to be tight anyway, cause it's on an Island, but some of the business owners, yeah, but there's more temporary. Here's the cool thing. There are more temporary installations. So we know enough landowners here that could pitch them the business proposal. Hey, we found this thing. XYZ, I don't know. Here's the link. Here's the application. Wouldn't it be great if somebody here did this? I don't think that's difficult at all. And I think that some of them, I mean, yeah, we could talk about it online, offline. It's not a Sunshine Law thing if we're just talking about it as a community enhancement board. Cause it's not, it's not city business. It's like, how can we get someone else to come in and do business with it, with the local, it could be city business.

Yeah. I mean, just looking just like very cursorily kind of looking at the moment, like FPL, like Florida power and light has an evolution program, which is statewide initiative to expand EV charging infrastructure, for example. So there's like, there's like a utility partnership that we can immediately, like, that's just like from a cursory kind of Google search. So I don't know what the funding, I think they own and install and operate. Yeah, I think they do all together.

Just trying to encourage it more, I guess. Yeah, absolutely.

I think it's a great idea. I think it's a really, really good idea.

Cool. So we could put that, I guess, whoever gets the information circulated through the email with Julie and then she makes sure we all get it. And then, I don't know, we can... Because it's not like you're going to walk into the store and meet the owner in most places anyway, right?

No, we can put something together to help promote it, and if the board can, or the community board can... Yeah, I would have thought that we put something together and make a recommendation as a group to the commission, and then...

I think we'd have to build the whole thing, not just say here, because they're going to be like, well, what do we... Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. A little flyer and say, hey, here's the link, here's this, here's why it's a benefit, pros and cons, let them... they're going to be in the same situation. They're going to have someone at the city contact people or they can, I mean, enough people know, there's not that much land in North Bay Village. So, you know what I mean? And most of those pieces of land are changing hands or have recently or have been in meetings with commissioners So I don't think it'd be that difficult if we give them the right if we give the right information to the Commission. I think it'll be easy for them to help circulate it to their contacts and see if somebody who's interested. It's a good idea.

Great.

What else is on the agenda?

That was the last in terms of substantive business. Next on the agenda is just the staff commission liaison update from Julie.

I don't have any update, just that I will be your new liaison, which I said in the meeting. Yep.

Excellent. Andy, do you have any more updates for us or otherwise comments in general?

No, I kind of shared it, but I am definitely going to follow back up and see if we can get some motion going with FDOT again to see if any of our ideas on the causeway can be rediscussed. There was one other talk I think I needed to follow up with for this group. Well, the bus shelters are ongoing. And the third point was, yeah, if we wanted to do I didn't comment at the time. But if we wanted to do another park a music in the park event you know I would be willing to contribute from our budget say a thousand dollars to make that happen and whether that be you know 500 for an artist or if we think it's more needs to go towards an artist but I definitely be willing to contribute and try to do another one off learning what we did in the past and you know hopefully we return out if we do it right and we get some food as well yeah so

Oh, is it Commissioner Darrow? I was thinking of you when over there for the Baywalk, the wake, the building, the wake put a big gate there that kind of blocks off the bay looking towards downtown.

And I was like, this is opposite of Baywalk. Tell me about it, man. It's really frustrating.

Yeah, I was walking my dog and I always like to go over there and like you could still walk over there and see the view. But now there's like a condo gate there.

And I'm like, oh, this is like the other one. grand view obviously we did that beautiful art piece there in the grand view the north plaza put the gate there they put that gate there i i went and met with all of them you know they had me come in i was trying to talk with them and they were i mean the whole board is super adamant about that not being open with what they say is a that's the silliest game even though it's open in the middle

anybody who really wants to go on either side of that gate is going to be able to go whereas the one on the wake is like hey you guys really blocked it off for anybody to come see or view over here

Yeah, but apparently, I don't know, I guess the Grandview is a grandfathered property. You know, it doesn't abide by our new Baywalk rules or our new Island Walk easement. So, you know, they would really need, we'd really need maybe some help from... the internal, you know, someone at the brand new board who believes in the vision of opening.

I'm working in that angle right now, trying to be very nice with everybody. They're very difficult to work with.

Go get on that, go get on that board, get in there.

They also, I mean, strangely enough, which I think is actually illegal, but I haven't necessarily found the legal argument for it yet. The developer who purchased the building back in the eighties is still holding developer status. Yeah. Which is very abnormal. Yes, that guy. Yeah, I know James. Yeah, which is very abnormal, but he's very difficult in getting anything to change in the building because he has veto power over everything. Yeah, it's strange. So if you know him, maybe, yeah.

I do. So you think it's ultimately his decision of if that goes open or shut?

He swears a lot of it. And then the board president, Jay, I'm going to try and meet with next week on another issue. He's very... multiple adjectives they won't only won't use but very difficult to get a hold of and he doesn't trust people easily so you have to build a lot of trust with him to move things forward so that's what i'm just gonna start working i really wanted that that space open it's disappointed that it's oh i'd love to i mean i love the the island one that we have there you know like to really see

I think it's essential. So we'll speak with James, actually.

I have a... Do they have any legal grounds to stand on or are they just saying no?

I don't know. It seems like an area of gray. Like at one point, our village manager said maybe we could have code enforcement get them. But then again, you know, this is like a... It's one of the... It's not a newer building. So obviously our newer buildings have this public open space. But the grandfathered buildings, you know, that when that building was built, it was probably not required or documented.

Whatever happened with what you're saying that, Andy, because I know that was actually something we brought up multiple months ago where we kind of discussed that certain buildings had to actually build with the access available. But have we since closed it off? Like Grandview aside, I think there were other buildings that definitely should have had it open. Like, was there any movement with the commissioners on that?

Yeah, remember, I think we discussed, there was a vote to force the buildings to pressure the ones that should have it open, such as 360, Blue Bay Space. And it was 3-2 in favor of not opening it. Commissioner Schiavone and I voted to open the Baywalks. Commissioner Acosta, Goran... Vice Mayor Cook and the mayor, the three of them do keep it private.

So no changes since then. I was just curious if there was anything else.

It's a tough one. I think once the way I look at it, we've had this conversation with a lot of different people from the previous mayor, new mayor, I think pretty much every commission I've spoken to at some point about it. Once there's some construction done on the actual on the other part of the Baywalk when the new buildings get built, if they do any of that, it'd be a lot easier to push them. But it's kind of like, you know, you're, you're asking people to kind of piecemeal things together.

I mean, the risk that we do with not doing it now is that some of the new developments could just look to them at some point and just say, we're not going to do it because they're not doing it. And so it runs a slippery slope there. I mean, they could, but I mean, if the current buildings, well, if the current, I mean, it would be the same way the current buildings are doing it.

It's enforced. It's not been done for 20 years. These other buildings have done it for 15 years. It's hard to tell the residents now. On a new building, it's really easy because it's in there. It's in the zoning requirements.

It is in the zoning requirements since 2000. It's the same scenario.

A brand new building, a brand new building, the city could sanction them and fine them.

We could sanction and find the current ones if you choose to. I know that we would have gone.

But what you're saying is to 100 feet on the water.

It's not what I think I'm hoping that's the logic of other commissioners and supported at this time is because yes, there's not a full connectivity behind a lot of those buildings. And you know, it's there. Yeah, I mean, that's the reason, I guess the logic, but the more logic is there was other elections. And for some people, they view it as unpopular that they would be opening the Island Walk, where I see it as essential that we open the Island Walk. Within the next year, I will push it again before I leave that, you know, I think the Island Walk is extremely important and we should set the precedent that it

that we enforce it i think you know even if it by a certain period of time you know it doesn't have to be overnight yeah i think part of the pushback with them was where that they didn't want random people non-residents walking through the building like could this in some of the buildings you got to think about this right like logistics and i'm all for having it 100 open but i understand from the homeowner standpoint unfortunately too where it's like you know, where's the money going to come from to give access? How do they control access? Can they control access? So it's like, you know, do they want people walking to the garage? Like, depending on the building, how do you, if it's already connected, it's easy.

You live at the best example of the island walk throughout the North Bay Village, which is a prime example of how it should work. Yeah. How many island-related incidents, arrests, or complaints we've had since it's been open in 2014? Zero.

I'm not aware of any, yeah.

Zero, yeah.

The worst we get is some guys fishing once in a while. They're asked to leave, they leave.

It's been 11 years open, and there hasn't been one island walk incident of any. crime or reported concerns or theft yeah or burglary but you know that remains the concern although it's been over a decade of the island walk uh being the greatest amenity that we have here in north bay village and the people who enjoy it there and um but nonetheless uh the the afraid of the unknown has stopped it from happening

Yeah, I think some buildings would be easy, like eloquence, right? Because of the way the building is and because of how their land is on the side. If the city allowed, I don't know if they would need a variance to put a sidewalk there. You know, who's going to pay for that? But like they could theoretically open it up on both sides and allow people to take that walk in the back. The building's gated, there's cameras, you can probably get in. So like that building is a little bit easier. 360 might be a little bit harder, but anyone that's got the pedestrian gate there, they could. And, but the other thing is like, what's it going to cost them to do it? So I know that's part of privacy is part of their concern, but part of it is the cost. So we'd have to like force them into it. Yes. But then I think if we can give them a good cost analysis of like, Hey, maybe there's an incentive somewhere. I don't know. I mean, I think that's like, cause it's, it's a two, it's a two part pushback. Some people find it that way because it's been that way.

I think Related, I'm sorry, Eloquence is supposed to connect to the Related project. And there are sidewalks on Eloquence. There is at 360. There is at Space, so on. So actually, these buildings were built with the infrastructure to have access from the street to the island walk. It's just since been gated.

Yeah, what I'm saying is to open up the gate and put a path back. Some of them already have the path.

Yeah, some of them kind of closed it and just let the shrubbery over like 360s, like the gates are there, but they just like, you can't see them because they put shrubs in front of the gates. So it's for another day that I'd be willing to reignite, but I got pretty passionate about that last time and it did get shut down by a 3-2 vote. So unless one of the other commissioners wants to support the Island Walk opening, it would likely fall the same fate.

That's a tough one. Heavy fines might do it, but it's hard to tell people to do something that they don't want to do when they've been doing it against the rules for so long, which is unfortunately part of dealing with people and condo boards.

Just let someone anonymously post about it in the Facebook group and let everybody fight about it there.

Yeah, man, we'll get you started on that one. Yeah, I'm all for it, man. Let's bring it on.

The Facebook page is better used for complaints than support is what I find.

Yeah, but we get the complainers who want it open versus the complainers who want to close. We get a poll in there. Throwing a lost cat or something in there and we got our sex.

I could set up a poll in there without it being shut down. I'm still one of the 100.

I love it, Nick. Why don't you set up a poll about this? Put some AI to it. Just summarize what we said real quick.

It's not a horrible idea.

People need to understand very clearly what is being asked and then see what the support is and just say, hey, curious, what is the support for opening an island walk?

Yeah, no, I think it's a great idea.

I'm going to put your name and phone number in there, in case anybody has any questions. I think I've already taken a bunch of the heat from the people who didn't want it, so show them.

No, no, no. No, I'm teasing, brother, anyway. But no, listen, that's a great idea. In fact, I'll do that. I'll send out a text now. And I'll just let everyone know the plan. And, well, let's do it. Get it back on them. I think it's important. It is. It's just, you know, you got to have overwhelming community support, I think, for certain commissioners to lean into it. Because, you know.

I like that.

Yeah, I think if we get enough support from the locals. It'll be really easy for the commissioners that are on the fence to go, you know what, enough people are appalling us about this. It is the right thing to do. It is in the requirements. And I think it's easier for them to get into it.

it is the requirements, but on top of that, I'd like to see at least, you know, 60, call it six, 60% support for it to be open, you know, not a split decision, but you know, 60, 40 shows there's, there's favor to, to open it.

Yeah. I'll see if I could set up a poll, which I think I pretty sure I can do that. That's a good idea.

Thanks guys. Um, in terms of agenda items for the next meeting, um, I mean, we've listed a couple already as a roll on from tonight's discussion and previous discussions. I'd also like to add maybe a couple of process improvements. for next meeting to discuss as well, mainly around just how we track action items and how we collect future agenda topics and that sort of thing. I think the process can be tightened and made a little more efficient. So I'm happy to, I'd like to put that on next month's agenda items and just talk through some ideas that I have. Does anyone have any other items for next month? I mean, Isabel will send around an email as she usually does and we can talk about, you can add as you see fit. then, but if anyone has any now, happy for them to go in the minutes.

Otherwise... No, I'll put the top of my head and I'll try to think of some.

I think we can follow up on the EV charging thing. I'll do some research and stuff on that for the next meeting.

Yeah. Excellent. All right. Well, unless there are any other comments... Can I have a motion for the meeting to adjourn?

Second.

And seconded. Excellent.

Good night, guys.

Good to see everyone again.

Thank you, everybody. Have a good night. Bye.

Watch the polls. Watch the Facebook group for the poll.

I'm going to send it out to my North Bay Village, North Bay Islands text group. Everyone hit the smash the like button.

You guys want to make a difference, man. It's going to have to come from us. That's one thing I learned the last seven years doing this stuff in the city. I'm going to go through the wording and make sure it's right. I'm going to get approval from our our other admin in the group, but they're going to say yes, but it's just, it's the right thing to do because we're going to create a thing and I'll probably just put it up here in a little bit or I'll put it up in the morning, but I'll balance the language back and forth a little bit first to get it super specific. So we get the right response and we'll just go from there.

Awesome. Thanks, Nick.

Nice to meet you as well. Yeah, you too. Listen, anytime you guys want to go for a walk, you got dogs, whatever, if you don't, we're always doing something in the neighborhood. All right, cool. Awesome. See you guys.

Take care, you guys. Have a good night.

Bye.