Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Silence. [clears throat] So these are your bodies, right? Yeah. I don't usually take my office. [laughter]

All right, it is 6:31. So, we can go ahead and call this meeting of the Kensington Planning Board to order. We'll start with introductions from the board this evening. Glenn, you want to start? Introduce yourself. [laughter] Start. We're going to move around because we haven't done any administrators.

I'm Charlie Quenton. I am vice chair. My name is serving as chair of the planning board. Mary Smith member Dan Desmond member. Great police department and then the other officers were attending this.

Perfect. So today we have a continuation of our last public hearing um for 267 South Road Kensington New Hampshire tax 3 block 30. Everyone's had a couple minutes to refresh themselves from where we left off. I know we just got the review from field associates a few hours ago, but I believe everyone probably I I actually didn't see it. I don't know about it. You would like just a minute to read that. I think I'm pretty

Oh, I I'll ask you we had as we kind of discussed at the last meeting, you know, we really wanted to extend and get some input from police and from fire. Um before I go into asking anyone to speak, do I need to reopen the public hearing?

Yes, she should. And I can just do that or absolutely.

All right. Um so we're going to go ahead and reopen the public hearing for today. Uh when you do speak, you'll just come up to the microphone, state your name, address for the record, and then I'll help Peter out with our meeting minutes today. Um, so we do have two representatives here from Kensington Police to provide their feedback. Would you all prefer an update from the applicant or do you want to start with your Okay, you want to go ahead and discuss what's been addressed since the last page of Joseph Beach engineers. Um Dave and Brandon Hayes are also here with me tonight because we have a little comments as well as Rebecca Brown of GPI who's the traffic engineer and Derek will be joining us momentarily who's just around a couple of minutes late. Um so since the last meeting we've gone through and drafted comments with Steve from the board as well as from Peter and Glenn. Um a lot of them are fairly minor plan revisions. Um the major revisions were revised the existing commissions plan to be more consistent with the site plan. um some of the numbers on the number of students and people within the building were kind of inconsistent between the two just because um the survey building survey was not part of our service coordinating the two plans together. Um and then secondly, we added the impervious calculations to the site plan which I know is a big item for deals to review. Um as well as we broke out the impervious calculations for the offer overlay zone separately so you can kind of see both. Um and we were within the thresholds required for the conditional use permit um to not have to do a drainage analysis. We did also submit a um give out a drop um from building block comments which outlines the specific procedures for the

Kensington pool versus just the example um procedures that we have submitted previously which were exit or location. And that um that document also discusses the event procedures. Um and then to go along with the event procedures, we did revise the plans to include a parking um exhibit plan which shows the drop off area to how many parking spaces you could fit within that area for special events. Um we were able to fit 23 spaces on that on that area. So in total between the two it's the 26 spaces in the paint parking lot and then an additional 23 spaces in the gravel parking lot. Um we did also revise the lighting plan. There was a little bit of confusion with our lighting consultant that we used. So we hadn't actually revise the lighting plan. There was something started about lighting was spilling onto the property into the roadway. And actually what it turned out to be was that the lighting on the existing hole is actually was causing the lighting to spill over onto the um onto the roadway. So none of the new proposed lighting will be spilled over into the roadway. So it might not just kind of ignore the existing pole as that will not be changing whatsoever. Um okay to confirm the intent though is that the existing pole remains light passed into the roadway to the extent that it is today. Exactly. But it's not a significant amount of light. Um, we just wanted to be it's it's a little confusing to show to be able to show both. So, we just disregard that part. But, um, and like I said, there were some other minor changes to the plan set. Most of them are minor, so I won't go through every single one of them, but if you have specific questions on our response letter, we can certainly answer them. Uh and then we did outline the criteria for the conditional use permit um to to allow us the protection district which I think

that's definitely going to have to be something that we can look through.

Yes. I would really love it if um we could spend a little bit of time um going over all of the details of the pick up and drop off and special events um information that you provided to us which finally thank you very much for that. I I personally appreciate it. I'm sure you do too. And I I love you to sort of flashing out a little bit and talking about it's it's pretty similar to what kind of what you described last night. It's just that writing to love for us to speak to that especially while have things Awesome. So, um the the first thing is that this is historically band has worked for or other poverty. Um the the big piece is having those small groups of cars coming in at once rather than having a whole pile of folks come in at 6:00 and 7:00 2:00. Um everyone has a stagnant start. We haven't had obstacles with people coming outside of those times. We're extremely strict about it at our school. You cannot follow our procedures. You cannot depend our program. So, I'm happy to answer questions um specifically about the procedure or um about how it would work on the new property if that makes sense.

Yeah, I'm the two things that I would really like to hear more about. They have the frequency of any sexual events and how your how you educate your clients to make sure they're following important laws that you want to have them follow for safety site.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean I mean first of all before that we've been allowed in as a student they do sign a book that has all of this information that we provided here with what official is. We also spend an extensive amount of time in orientation working with students as well as when they're taking tours, working with students in the beginning of the year talking about how the cars move, how you touch during parking, which door you exit from, how many people can move out, whether or not a driver can ever open a door while they're in there. They cannot. And so it's extremely strict. If you've ever watched the machine of it happening, people they truly stand back shocked because anyone who had seen our our current property formerly there was like a long line of traffic down the road for many many years. And the first thing that I did when I came in poverty and I said you cannot have children hanging out on roadways like that. And we brought all of the on our current property 15 is going to be in there with us. all 15 are in there once so that people don't have cells out on the driveway there um out on the roadway there so that it's much safer. Um we have um open timelines for when pickup can happen. Let's say there's a dentist appointment lock of when they're allowed to come for that. So it's not like oh Johnny forgot his baseball hat for this. It's like well we'll see you at 11:45 then won't we? It is extremely strict. We are um we talked to them. One of the first things we'll be talking about is the importance of having the communication with us and the town being we are intentionally located in these small towns and that's why these folks want this school and therefore we need to use the words of our space and our land and not take for granted that we many of these folks are visitors in this

space and we're very clear about that with everyone who comes onto the property. Um I am at every single carpool. Chuck David, every one of our admin is at every single carpool. Um we have at least three or four admin out there for every single one of them to be sure things are moving smoothly, quickly, efficiently, and safely post fall. Um are there questions about the procedure that help with it? We we submitted a lot. There's a lot of words. There's a lot of words.

There are a lot. Um [clears throat] we came to an understanding at the last meeting I think of an order of magnitude and number of um functions that would likely happen during the year and I can't remember what we were talking

I think we I think we requested that you all suggest a number that might seem free right and we um in in the proposal we had suggested you had suggested that we come up with a number with police department that feels reasonable. Um we had set a meeting but it it didn't end up being the right timing for for folks. The meeting was handled from this past week. Um but when we submitted we had said that the way that our school currently works is that our projects are three to four weeks long and we may have those the of the students who are in that class we could have them say monthly. there's a possibility of a monthly event or as the the final exhibition of um of their work is something that's pretty common place in our current space. We're very aware of um when other timelines are happening such as when other school buses are trying to move in our schools. So it isn't um daily events. We we currently don't have plans um to be doing uh you know late night events, things like that. Excuse me. Are the events during the day the school hours? Are they after school hours?

Most of our events currently take place only during the school hours. We would love to be able to do some after school events for sure if lighting and safety and and collaboration with the police department. Feels as though that's an opportunity that would work in this community. And for the dirt against how many additional cars are going to be like their parents and go to these um

right so as far as we we would not have more than we have for parking spaces. So we would say okay this class can have their events during this time because we currently have the 23 um parking spaces and the 27 parking spaces without a car pool also happening. So um our classroom sizes are 15. So we're living to be unrealistic perhaps going to have 15 to two classes at a time 30 cars there for a final exhibition. What about um would you be holding something with for all the grades? I mean you know obviously if it's just one class being a project it's not a men but like an orientation night something like that. So if a whole school was on campus at once doing for all six cars, right, is that that would be something we would need to work with the community to talk about. That would be maybe once a year something like a graduation. Um something along those lines is sort of going gathering is when everybody comes and also comes like I don't know I could come up with maybe three times a year, right? painted something at the holidays, a back to school night or an orientation and then a graduation. Yeah. And physical stuff and we still stagger those. Right. So in our current space, we have a very similar we're actually completely residential area. That's where our current school is. So there is no commercial zone, nothing like that happening. So all of our parties, so for example, we have seven different holiday parties with 12 people coming during these holiday parties in the car area exhibit, you know, so it's a very um it's a it tends to be a very small space. Um realistically, I would love to be able to have a graduation and an orientation day for everyone on campus, especially given um the amount of spaces that are available.

That's a quick question. Maybe you guys know the portion seem wrong. Did you guys measure that? What's the space for a box? Well, then between the engineer and the um engineer what's the space for a car is 9 10 ft width, right? Yes. Yeah. So those are those are 10 foot wide. Okay. Spaces and that's that's all based on [clears throat] those dimensions.

So that that was 60 by 160. Correct. roughly the gravel lots a little bit off in the dimensions which is why you can see the um the spaces on the western side there they don't take up the entire width of the parking lot and that's because as the parking lot starts to get um narrower at the edges we didn't have the room to have a full aisle width plus the parking spaces I'm kind of talking to the fire this parking lot here Right. I look at this in that's 60 by 160. Correct. An average vehicle is about 14 7 to about 19 ft long. Right. So that's going to take up on both sides would be 20 ft on each side by parking. Correct. And then an average vehicle needs 18 to 20 ft to turn around. Yeah.

Right. So there's no way uh fire app turn around when there that property was stolen. Okay. We do have So we have a 20 So I'm looking at the plans here. You said 10 foot wide park. Yeah. So I just checked. So we had it actually 9 foot wide which is typical and it's 20 foot long. So it goes by whatever the kind of regulations are. Typically it's not actually 9 by 18. Sometimes 10 by 20. So in this case 9. So just so the 9 by 20 and then we're showing 22 feet in between the parking spaces. Oh yes. And that building back.

Yeah. Now we did include the fire truck turning um on sheet T1 of the plan. So, we revised the plan. They planned to measure the need of 43 foot long fire truck requested. Um, and they are able to make the turn out impacted in the park on the left hand side there. So, you can see it's pulling you straight to the building, backing up, and then pulling out without ever going into the gravel. But if they needed for some reason to get a truck to the other end of the gravel watt, they could do a similar maneuver where they could pull they could instead take a left or take a right entrance sign, pull into the engine barn and then back up straight and pick it up. Basically the mirror situation was shown. Yes. To Jay's point, using excellent parking skills and no large pickup trucks.

Yeah. which is the case in every unders. Yes. Okay. So, in the procedures, I was just reading through them as you were explaining them. Um, we you state the number of spots. So just for my clarification, we're saying only these two lots would be used to prevent parking. The lot that extends into the residential area is not being considered as a space for parking. Correct. We did not include that in any of our um exhibits for me parking. Would there be some sort of gate or deterrent at the end of that dirt lot to make that clear to people?

There's there isn't a gate today. I don't know if you would put one in. I mean, I never thought about that. I never really thought that you could park up there as someone who visited. So, um I mean there's trees and right there for sure. Um, we can absolutely put homes or whatever if that has something folks who remember from the previous ownership that there there would be hundreds of cars in the fields. That's not what we're doing. It's it's not safe for students. It's not for anyone on the property to have that.

Understood. And I think a lot of this goes back to kind of what we discussed briefly at the last meeting, right? It's great that we make all of these, you know, guidelines for your property specifically, but in the event that it is no longer your property at some point in time, we want to just be sure what we have agree to. Yes.

You know, these conversations talk right now. We don't have New York per determined that this whole driveway isn't going to work or it's going to be moved. So these discussions we can have these discussions over and over but without that DOT of approval we're not getting any activities you know it's just suggestions we're just talking and talking but you know without approvals which go we have an idea when that might come we have no idea right now they don't give you a heads up

yeah it can take some time um to actually get a permit I don't think we anticipate that they're going to deny I I don't know. Rebecca, you want to speak to that at all? Yeah. So, we definitely wouldn't expect that they're going to deny a permit at all. Um, they may want some modifications to the driveway. Um, but we don't anticipate that they would deny it at all. The only concern really that DoD had um when we had our rescoping meeting with or scoping meeting with them was for the intersection of um group 107 and 150 where they're actually um looking at potentially installing a four-way stop control. So they just wanted us to evaluate um what that would do to traffic operations at that location if they if they did implement it. Otherwise, they really didn't have um a whole lot of concerns at the for the driveway. And for the record, it would be it's your opinion, Ben, that the police cannot adequate adequately weigh in until we have a permit to look at.

I don't want to wait in until I have an answer from the state. Um just to make sure tomorrow service do plan B, right? like [clears throat] um you know it we spoke with most people at sim sections it is a mess you know we get out there I was out there this Friday for 10 minutes and trying to break the traffic by myself it's almost impossible

um you know so until we know yes this is going to be the driveway and and then we got to go to whatever you know if the state's going to tell her lane or not you know It's one of these things like I don't want to bring you in on anything that you know I don't have the answer for you know it's something you know and as I go back and look and I know other location is her other location is on 111 but it's not 300 some feet from so as we talk about these cars coming in and everything else right now until I kind of get a better state as a recommendation I want to be very careful with um how much further we go trying to go to a stop to um the kind of the turning lane. So we did get asked by DD to run a turn lane warrant analysis set here and we've already confirmed that it does not meet the warrants for um either a left turn lane or a right turn lane um coming into the site. So, we do not anticipate that we would need to um construct any turning lanes out on the road bag. Um and we did present this plan and the operations to do um when we met with them at a scoping meeting and they had no comments on the location of the driveway. They were fine with the location of it. Um so we like I said we don't anticipate any uh changes coming out of that um process with the DOT but obviously sorry um one of the mitigating the traffic during commuting hours when the majority of students said

when you drop off it's period 12 12 period each time. So, um they were a little concerned about the morning commute, I think, as you recall. Yeah, originally they they did have some concerns about the amount of not going to be home during the peak hour, but then as we um talked through the process of how the kids actually arrived, a lot less concerns because they were concerned that we were going to have 60 students all arriving at once and we explained that that is spread out um over different intervals and that It's actually during the hour period that the students are arriving in the morning. There's no more

perfect one time. And if they're not on time, you reckon it's a

Yeah. Yeah. Certainly. Um we have a redirection listed in there of how they they would go left in and there would be the two parking spots in there join them. Um, currently we run 62 students um into our our property um with in 10 minutes. We get 15 in and out very very easily and much younger. They're like getting out of course and stuff like that. Like these students are just like they don't even say bye. Let's be like they just slam the door. So it's it's a a pretty quick um turnaround in there. So if each one took a full minute, you know, that would be a pretty long car, but I think it will be mostly underwhelmed is what it will look like when you have 12 cars going in during a 15-minute period.

Absolutely. Um I think that's a question. How many students are asking are the seniors or juniors? Currently, sir, who at our current location? So because I see those as potential drivers, I understand. Three. Three is three. Yes. Currently. Yes. Yes. But how many seniors do you have? There's three seniors. How many do you anticipate? Um so if if if we continue forward there could be 10.

Okay. So extensionally, if you let those 10 drive to school,

so what we said in our um in our plan is that we'll have a limited number of parking passes so that we never extend beyond that upper parking lot for those students and whatever special parking spaces we need. Yes. So we're going to limit that parking prices. Um some most of our well currently are driving se um juniors and and and sophomores actually who are um are driving go to and from seco school of technology. So they're driving themselves back. Yeah. So I'm looking at 26 spots in the upper lot. I think we maybe said six staff at correct one point in time. So that brings me down to 20. If I hold two out or whatever we said for, you know, late parent emergency, whatever, even for being generous, that could be a potential of 16 students

driving themselves. And do the and the students drives themselves, are they assigned a chargeable time slot also? They are. Okay. And they just arrive and they go left instead of right. Correct. They also have a time a they have a spot. They have one spot that they can have and they have a college time slot currently. Their school currently really goes up to juniors. So it's sad until next year. You're going to get both seniors anyway. I I know the YMCA. You know what that looks like? I see the kids driving there like that. They don't have yelling at them every day like these guys do. [clears throat]

Yes. No, we're talking about a handful of students. Um, these are farm and wilderness kids who know that the minute they even turn wrong, I pull their permit and they are not allowed to back school anymore and they're buffing it with mom again. I think the problem we have is if they go off here, it's back. It's going to back up. There's no product back usually on one. So, it's going back. It's going to happen. Justice [clears throat] just did it. I think that just did it. It backs up different intersections that they threw out. Um so that that's where potentially it could be a problem, you know, if that's a circumstance or you have an accident at that intersection, it's going to back everything up. Um somebody is pull right and we we constantly have accidents up by Hudson as soon as it stops. So you end up with traffic back up there too, right? So I'm looking at just the traffic congestion. I don't know if it's going to be I can answer again it's one of these things I'd like to get a better idea from the state if we're going to be on that that stop sign you know we're number nine out of 10 that they're going to do next year so it potentially could happen I'd like to see if we get a better answer from them if that's going to happen because I feel that's going to develop potential problem once the track steps back in [clears throat] there um you know only short distance [laughter] numbers % of the traffic there and the numbers of vaccines that actually do happen at that intersection because of our traffic that gess to go through and evaluate whether or not that's going to be a stop control intersection. But if the analysis that they do comes back showing that traffic is going to back up, then they're not going to put in for a stop control intersection. Um what they've asked us to do is do an analysis both ways just in case because they want to verify

whether or not they would back up past our driveway if they were to implement a fourway stop there. We have uh roughly I think it's about 350 ft of storage before it um does actually reach the driveway. So there is a good distance from the intersection before it goes back up the driveway. Um but like I said if if their analysis comes back showing that it's going to be a problem in terms of traffic operations then they not control but they could be several years out before they actually install anything at this location. Um, at your site, you have a drop off plan that has people only taking right turns in, right turns out. Is that in the cards for here?

No, it's not. Yeah.

Are there any more questions that specifically relate to the parking right now? um in terms of event procedures and potentially having um monthly events. Are there any questions that we would like to ask on that front? We did previously discuss at the last meeting um that this location would be subject to the regular traffic detail procedures of the town. You know, there still wasn't decide what that threshold is. Um if there is a large event, um there's an application, there's a process in the town by which you can apply for a police detail um and pay for that officer's time. We did discuss that should the event be large enough we would request that happen here for our typical procedures.

Absolutely. Uh you understand that mention you think it's too process that they fall in place of detail because there's a traffic issue right one falls under the pocket to catch four because the authority at least chief do details at his discretion if the vehicles are uh standing for the leak of solving or um regardless of that the vehicle is attended or unattended all regulation will be shown in the direction of the intent to be surv Right. If there is an issue I have addressed 24 um with there will be a voice until later. Um I I can do this under the town or I can also leave it under um New Hampshire state if I just want to clarify something misspoken at some point. I did review the minutes from November 19th. uh myself and lieutenant paper did meet with with uh man and the director at the point and discuss these details at no time did I ever say if it would be uh it would not be a very expensive details just clarifying that the detail will fall on the facility they they are private school they're not a public school so it falls under that and just to make it clear that you know the procedure at least 4hour minimums no matter what twice a day at a 4-hour minimum It is a traffic. I hope there's no traffic issue. I hope this goes smoothly. But if there is a traffic issue, just to clarify that, you know, that does amount to about $151,000 a year.

And that's two details a day. Two details a day for that's a false and clear that it's understood that that that was discussed. Um because at no point I say it would be no respect. Chief, I just have a question from the uh the start. What was the citation again? So we were looking for the lunch is 224 for the town and that's the town or the 105.9. Yep. Okay. Thank you.

And again, that's saying in the event that there's a problem. Absolutely. on every single day at every single car poolool that's where we end up. Yeah.

What do you um what would you anticipate having to happen for you to say, "Okay, we're going to have to then backing up because people don't, you know, back up. their lawn 50 cars can't get around and anytime they starting traffic which means they need to go around another vehicle would would start you know having a get over there or let's say every turn coming off of 107 now they take lefth hand turn and traffic's backing up into the intersection you know again I don't know how this is going to work I really don't know how full of work they um you know I I feel that that intersection is a is a hit or miss sometimes if something happens there's an access to some you know and traffic sign traffic that suitable to challenge with only one officer on duty [clears throat] question is there like an event size that triggers the necessary police presence like say something or is that at the discretion of the property?

Well, we have a video uh over there assembly which is usually 100 people for police detail, but when you you have a traffic issue because you're talking there's only uh you know 40 40 something spaces there and you're going to have anything more than that going. Uh I I do [clears throat] believe the back of that properties are even for users parking right now. Uh in the past when we've had events with the farm stand members there, the property across the street was used and opened up and there was two police details there directly dropped in parking.

Yeah. And so I noted in the procedures um the property street is still private property. It's not part of the school and I think you all have noted that should not be used for waiting parking anything to facilitate event. Um, and then we would probably make a condition of approval that we would not use the back lot. And I know you haven't shown it there, but we brought it explicitly just um, you know, question the circumstance kind

and and these numbers that are approved by the time and you know, anything over that, you know, probably I don't even talk about anyway. So there's always parking. Yeah. So but if there's an event and they decide they get permission from somewhere else to park cars and now service and it's a certain amount of cars is approved parking be probably triggered. So

but the 50 cars once a month assuming that we approve the plan which is drawn now would not necessarily work. If it works it works. If it becomes a problem, then we'll we'll address it again. Again, it's all I know, right? Over the years, you know, the only time I've ever really seen like super full. Yeah, understood. And I know we're talking a lot of hypotheticals. We don't have crystal balls here. So, it's it's hard to know. Where do all your students come from? I should say I mean like kind of more or less what they are going to be coming

from south to south I mean currently um more coming from north are coming from exit um do region right now right now like coming down 107 yeah obviously exactly

right so if our middle and high school moved currently let's They moved tomorrow. There will be 30 students there tomorrow who come from mostly the northern strata um do Eping these areas. We do have some folks coming um from of course Kensington Eastston that that region but because of our location of exit most of them are coming from Exer. So if anybody's coming down 107, I said 107 and me and me and me and me and me and me and me and me and me and messbury road. They're coming down the right they're coming by from my house up in Kensington coming down 107 to take a left at road and then take a left on your building. That's a whole other one.

Yeah, that's not we would probably direct them. We we would probably pull them in to take a ride in but uh any coming from so when I'm drawing it from west well the way I'm coming from come down road take a right yeah I think you're talking about I'm coming down um yeah road 107 I understand

um if you have if you had a large growth bird in that from the whole other area traffic. I understand. I mean ultimately you can't control choose how to you know think about understand but all box needed to compromise comments right now see

of course you all are more than welcome to say we love having your input but wanted to make sure we kind of closed out and got all your comments in the beginning in in case you did not want to be with us for the long [laughter] um anything else from the applicant for the release before they suggest that I really want to make this the collaborative effort. I really you guys are the people we depend on our school sponsors big event but you are the people we want to work with. So I don't want it to feel as though there's a push and pull. I want to be quiet.

I as not really about that or anything. Don't like to bring this up, but in the event of an active shooter or something like that. I'm sure with the elementary school, there's a plan in place. What is the burden of the police department to get a plan in place? Right. And we have a discussion about this. Um the school of different is open campus there. It's a high ground. It's a big high hill on the back of it. It's going to have a different response in how we would respond to the school here. The school over here would be containment. You know, the students would most likely be in the school. This is a little bit different. And I I've made this clear that I'm not even properly staffed right now to be able to deal with all these schools and and going into you know there's the school there's the day that open up in the fall next year and and when you only have one police officer one right at that circumstance you can't be in three places a good ones. So this is, you know, the staff I'm looking at at some point is I didn't warn I finish this year for one because I don't want to scare people because technically really two police, right? And that would be, you know, as well as you you're running, you know, with me and the lieutenant here trying to run, you know, two patrol guys out on the road with us here and then, you know, they run till 3:00 p.m. You still need two more guys in case something bad happens. um you know so again that's a little bit further down the road there's a warrant out for that but but the the active response there's two parts of this is the seab power plant which is one response which it the evacuation was ever going to be active in there that changes 107 coming from Sabr two lanes one way out and it changes two lanes

from road out towards exit um so the conversation I did have pass no coming in.

Yeah. And that that's the complicated part with picking up kids at some point. You know, the the school over here has an operation plan where they meet the kids because we the buses get in there. Um but this this right now right now doesn't have a plan of how that evacuation would fall in place. That's that's the the thought you know after shoot a different piece all together. And again, it gets very difficult with that fourway intersection and suffering's going on inside there with the response there and and you're going to get other officers from other towns at some point, but it's not going to happen. You know, it's smooth or bad and and our job is to take out the truck, right? And and when you go into a place to buy your arm like that, let me tell you when I'm going out to a school, you know, we got to come in, I got to come up with a plan how we would respond to that school just because of that that that's that concerns me and I hope it never happens, but the state stuff is happening everywhere emergency.

Yes. So we have a 90page emergency response plan where all FEMA training we have over 60 hours of training among our staff. Um the 90page response plan is mandatory for department of education. And then we have a secondary response plan that is not public that says here's where we meet. Here's how we rally. Here's how we make sure all those students are tagged. of all of this. PBFIRE had all the maps and we have all of that for created um for uh Kensington um actually Seabbrook comes tomorrow to to work with us there. It's another they do their own you know the big Seabro plan um they've already done it and I just sign it as soon as we are you know allowed to sign it we'll do that. Um but yeah, we run those drills. Um we do training. We do all of the things that a school has to do. Um and we will collaborate with the police department to be sure that um we have all those safety protocols in place.

And that's worse for every now. It's done. Oh, it's done. Yep. It's done. It's been submitted. Yep. Um you can get it at um the FEMA and Department of Homeland Security have it and have it approved there. Yeah. And then that's something that would be on file with our police. Absolutely. Because it's so they they first approve it, then it goes to the Department of Ed and Department of Ed says, "How's it going? How do we feel?" And that's when chief needs to weigh in and say, "Okay, what's our look like? Where where my lead officers if something goes ar we got to train off totally. We got to train."

Absolutely. back at site and how to respond again. It's a different thing than the school year. So yeah, and it's not an overnight. No, I agree. Understood. Thank you. All right, one last call. Any more police questions? All right, thank you both for your Thanks. Thanks. Thanks for coming up.

So, um, what we heard from the police today is that they do not feel comfortable making the full analysis without the DOT permit in hand to confirm that there won't be changes. Um there is a situation and we've done it before where we make you know DOT permits a condition of approval. Um but we're not required to do so. So just putting that on the radar that if we feel like we need that permit that's something that we'll want to discuss. I think conditions in my mind that came out of this first part of the conversation. Um I'd like to make sure that we make a note that parking will only only occur in the designated spots and not in the agricultural zone. Um can anyone think of any other conditions that came out of our conversation with the police? Okay. Um, looking at the site plan and the dirt, gravel, lot layout. Um, chief raised a concern about a fire truck and about the access way getting narrow. Um, kind of into that spot with per with cars. maneuvering themselves. Um, is that something the board would like to discuss any further at this point in time?

Did did we get any written response um from the bio?

I did not he was going to be here tonight. It was not everything. He had only talked to me about um one issue. He sort of he didn't really have a comment on the drawing for the truck, but he had a comment on the uh updated life safety report. that he needed a copy of the David Lys in order to um evaluate the piping and other drugs. So we don't really know if he's happy with this. So well it sounds like to me it sounds like he doesn't have enough information like the exact was talking about

he didn't have a comment that it was not usable. He said it appeared to be fine. He showed

Oh yeah. that I could kind of turn around but you know the other that's definitely something to clarify he said he needs the updated life safety report safety report is not something that's safe Well, it's more something he needs as part of this plan for the safety of the building. Okay. [clears throat] We're from our perspective access and [clears throat] um ability to maneuver around the site is what we need to ensure can occur. And if that can't occur, that's a that's a significant flaw of the cycle. But we have been given students that show that it does work. So I'm not I'm not concerned about his need for the life safety information from this plan.

It's not once. I just wish we had something from him agreeing that this would work rather than

it is it is absolutely uh appropriate for the board to say their final sign off letter from the planning board and from the fire department needs to be submitted to the planning board regarding the ability for fire apparatus and emergency apparatus to access site. There's no there's no reason for my perspective as far as what's been presented for the fire department to be able to make that point. If they if they truly think that the parking lots now are inadequate, they need to say it. Uh but having a silent fun that's a completely appropriate thing for the planning board to to add as a conditional.

And I think the only reason you brought up the life safety is because there was a drawing in the package that was delivered of a fire protection. But so he was com he cannot comment on that and so he has the final life to comment on that drawing. submit. So yes, it's not a site plan review, but it was submitted in the package. So we want to make it clear that you can't comment on it. I would love the board to consider it process.

Okay. version. So in the response to the 11 submitted

Yeah. Would you like me to go through the criteria?

Um so that the criteria are as follows. The first one is that the proposed use will not detrimentally affect the fall quality of the groundwater to paint in the oifer by directly contributing to pollution or by increasing the long-term suster to potential pollutants. Um, and we explained that the proposed use of the pool which does not produce pollutants that would impact groundwater. There's very limited site mark. Um, so there's not a lot of construction going on that could contribute to groundwater pollution. Um and the only real discharge from the site is typical exceptic sensitive methin. Um which I was saying is what's there now. Um if anything they would less so because there will be lessened by restaurant use. The second criteria is the proposed use will not cause a significant reduction in either the shore or longer volume of water in the aquifer or the storage capacity of the aquifer and we agreed the proposed use will not cause a reduction in aquifer storage as very limited changes are proposed to the existing site. The third criteria is that the proposed useful discharge of no waste water in excess of a thousand gallons per day will not involve onsite storage or disposal of toxic or hazardous wastes as defined herein and we agreed our proposed septic system is the last announce we didn't say in this but we also unlock the story with toxic or hazardous waste and then lastly the proposed use of compliance with all applicable sections of the article um and the fa energy level study shall be submitted as required in section 3 or sorry 6.3b of this article um in referencing that 6.3 section A that discusses certain thresholds of when hydrogenologic studies are actually required and this project does not meet any of the criteria within that which are subdivisions of eight lots or greater obviously we're not proposing a subdivision um any septic system or

series of septic systems that for 24 2400 gallons per day or greater. Our septic system is 990 gallons per day. And then lastly, water development projects that were throwing more than 20,000 gallons per day from a particular site or property. So we don't fall within that level of study criteria to do that. And that's that's information that I provide to the board by original. I I agreed that this does not meet the criteria of the board. I need you. Can I just ask this? Um, so the 990 gallons a day, the septic would be the new one that you have to put in.

Correct. The new What's the size of the ones that's there? The exam is around 725. So small. Yes, it's a slightly smaller. Yes. Yeah. Uh, are you going to have to class? Uh we we do fetties, we do farming, things like that. Do you mean would we have hoods and things like that and account? Yeah.

Have to look off site for anything that would require a hood or any of the um plastic materials. We could not have on our site. That's a Department of Ediction piece. Okay. And just so I understand, we discussed last meeting that this is kind of a formality, right? So they're applying for a conditional use permit.

Yes, it is required because it's a use that said a conditional use product has to be granted, right? But in this case, I think that that their their answers to the conditions that are offered in the ordinance should guide the board to granting the condition permit.

Does anyone have any questions or concerns about the responses to the conditional use permit criteria? So, what I'd like to suggest then is that we vote on this as an independent item. Um, and I'd be willing to entertain a motion um to approve a conditional use permit in the aqua protection. So, I'll make the motion uh to approve the conditional use permit in the active protection area. Second.

All right. All in favor? Okay. So, we have approved the proper protection district use permit. One vote in the right direction. [laughter] Um all right other things that I had noted um in the letter from be it was suggested that um in their professional opinion we would be able to um exempt this property from the storm water management plan. Um, since there are minimal changes to the existing site, it's item number four in the general notes um from field cities. Does the board have any questions or concerns about that suggestion? If not, then I would entertain a motion to wave the storm water management plan requirement for this application. I make a motion to wave the storm management plan for this application.

I'll second. All in favor? I Okay, so we've approved the conditional use permit. We've also waved the storm water management plan. Can can I can we just back up a minute? Can we please make that motion to say based on the recommendation from Gails? Yes. Sorry. [clears throat]

So, Peter, the amended language there will say based on the recommendation from deal associates, they move to wave the requirement of the storm water management. just the past. Yes. Does it mean answer your question? Yes, absolutely. And I I know this very late. Yes. I didn't have a chance and I didn't speak with yesterday. So my question is um do you do you have a problem with doing a short thin trenches?

I wouldn't think so. Um we would have to take the word to see if we feel it's the right size or it see seems rather large to me such a small increase in in service. Um but we can take a look at it. It's like it's it's a it's a very small increase in in so we didn't even feel necessary on the site. Yeah. So that was kind of our thought, but

because and I just bring it up because um it would mean that any concern about impervious, we would have evidence of having done something to make sure that we didn't approach those thresholds. And I do that because in the future, someone will see this and say, why can't we do this, too? And I would prefer to be able to say there was a circumstance on site that was ameliorated by the design feature that we made a part of the plan and your situation whatever it is in the future doesn't and I

yeah it may be actually more I know that obviously Christian didn't mention this but it may be a better situation if we do something like underneath the proposed deck, which even though that wouldn't be handling the new impervious, it would be taking some of the impervious alles around the site. So, it would kind of be a equivalent um that would be so um it would be aesthetically it would look aesthetically as as um like out out there as it would be next to the sidewalk. I mean, it would if if if the board could state that you have the ability to talk with Christian to determine one of those two avenues.

Yes, I think that would be a a really beneficial thing to have on the record. Yeah, I think that would be great as an action item. Um so the applicant will discuss with bills associates um the recommendation for a small twoft wide by two foot deep stone trench. We'll determine if that size is adequate or should be reduced or if it needs another design. So you want you want to change the motion to include that or make it separate of the store management. So I mean this would just be a condition um that would be worked out between the two.

So you're still meeting the requirements of the full iness proposing something as part of the plan. Correct.

Okay. I apologize. I like to just write down and take my own scroll. Um, did we want to was there anything to revisit in terms of the calculations between the aqua protection zone and not or did we cover that already in our approach?

I think that we've covered that issue. Great. Was just one that was online from last time. When he gave his um outline, he kind of

Yes. the two together almost. I haven't gone through the responses one by one yet, but does the board have anything I was pressing kind of outstanding from the last conversation that you'd like to ask questions about at this time? You said you did shift the stairway outside of the 100 foot setback which we did. Yes. Yeah. Here's all the comments. It's bad. There was talk to come of the signs. Um, this this building inspectors don't take care of any signs. Is that right? We don't have to deal with that. I mean, science is not a paying board.

No, I won't but I thought it was under the zoning board, but I'm indicating here that um the application for sign permit bill goes for the filmmakers back. So, that's we don't have to Yes, I got that. H [clears throat]

I think somebody had mentioned the plasting that there was a French for signage that it may need to go to selectman but we couldn't seem to find anything about that in the regulations. So we were allowed to pick up but we we submitted a signification. It's in the ordinance where I gave you the ordinance where it talks about which it's really poor but it's part of the package that was on the checklist and it goes to the building inspector to sign up on the ground.

Yeah, that's that's how we interpreted as well. We just made sure there was something as well. Sounds good. Let me have you. I'm looking at the plan number two. Um there was a note that the budget engineer report of June 26, 2020 by stated in the sprinkler requirements um that a compliant water supply fire pump will be required. It's not referenced on the drawings. You know that that was an outdated report. Is there a new report that we have already? I think we submitted so we submitted a more recent plan for protection. Okay. Um and that was what was completed in the latest submission. I think there was some confusion amongst the different reports that had been submitted process since this is a state um our driver permit sections just don't apply. Is that correct?

Yeah. So, I think that takes us back to um the conversation about the driveway.

Um state road, we're waiting on state feedback. We don't know when we're going to receive state feedback. Uh what we do know is that police does not feel comfortable giving sign up without that feedback. And yet there's nothing we could do because it's a statement, right? So I I mean from my perspective um it's and I'm saying this as a planner, not as a transportation engineer, right?

But my perspective is I don't think DOT is going to do a lot of change to this site. Um, I think that the history of the site and the proposed new use, which at its highest peaks, doesn't meet the highest peaks of the previous use, um, is going to result in DOT granting them the permit in its location in its current configuration. Uh but B is a strange and wondrous thing to do and they could come back and do something entirely different. Uh the beauty of this for the planning board is it is completely out of control. So, a conditional use um an an approval that is conditioned upon the DOT granting the permit in a way that doesn't impact the site plan would ensure that if it doesn't if it does impact the site plan, they would have to revisit us. I also think we should require that we get a sign off letter from the police department as a condition of approval and we know that is a fine until the the DMH DOT permit is granted. So what what does that mean practical purposes if the uh DOT doesn't get back to them for say 6 months

they can't open school they that is exactly what it means they they cannot do anything on that site without that NH permit oh they can't they they cannot they have no way they don't have a legal entry until the permit is granted by in community because it's constituted a change in use. So that has state's going to hold them up not us. [laughter] this the state is going to review to the degree that they feel necessary to to issue an approval and that will be I mean that's

because if they if they're thinking about not issuing an approval their response is to work with the property owner to get to an approval right they they're they're not a state department that wants to take somebody's land because they don't want to have it so there's going to be things but they're not they don't have any basic sound as the sound I can't incentive to amplify yeah I don't have any sound they just sorry do you have a question

yeah no actually I just wanted to make it clarifying state so everything um again director attorney everything said is true can't on grade school until that D driveway permit is issued. But the difference is that if you condition the um approval on the DA driveway permit or any type of state permit um whether it's DES or some other state approval um it would allow them to move forward with certain improvements to the site at their own repair. not forgiven until you utilize the site to be um modified use.

Sure.

So that I mean it's kind of like you know you're trying to fire a little bit and then you start making certain improvements in the site that are costly and then boom now you're subject to change you got to come back to the committee. But I think that's why a lot of applicants for a conditional approval. I've seen it happen before where people do um get out and start doing some of the required work against the site but you know might even put their risk but yeah Um,

how can I be able to? Well, so, so my question is going to be, you know, we just heard that they could, if we provide a conditional approval, they can proceed at risk and begin improvements on the site. We've had other situations in town where applicants have done a lot of work. I mean, we can't prevent an applicant from proceeding at risk. They only do what they're going to do anyways. Correct. Correct. I mean, we from our perspective without a violence of softness, there isn't a lot they should be doing. Yeah. But they're not proposing a lot out there. [clears throat]

They're they're using a site. I mean, I'm presuming they purchased the site because it fits so well as it is. Um, but there so there are limitations as to what they will be able to perceive out there. Anyway, I guess I just want to make sure that we're not creating a situation similar to one that we've seen before where a lot of but there's not as much work to happen. Those conditioning uses have to be identified. Don't those activities need to be identified from the condition?

Absolutely. [clears throat] Yep. Okay. So, I'm looking at things that are still open items on my list. The only item that was not I think addressed um there was a locust plan that didn't have an updated site configuration on the septic system plan. So they're saying the tiny little thumbnail plan is outdated on the septic sheet. The response um from Jones Beach is that it's not substantial to the application. Anyone have a problem with that? I can speak to that as well if you want. I mean it's so it's kind of interesting situation with the subjects because it has to go through the town and has to go to the state. So in order to give an emergency subject plan year with the stamps of the town and the state on it. So in order to amend that plan we actually have to resubmit to both which would be a difficult process. So where it really doesn't have any impact on on the site and prefer not to do that if possible with representation on locus map that lead one to believe it's a survey piece of information. It's a it's a represent it's a representation of where the lot exists on our network. It's really obvious

correct. And this one even says not to scale. So it's kind of just showing the replication at the property. Okay. I have a list of conditions in front of me right now and I'd love input from the board as to whether or not there might be anything outstanding. So, we've um asked that we we we could potentially ask that it would be commission of approval um that there would be no parking outside of the designated spots and subsequently no parking from the residential agricultural zone. Uh item two, we would require final sign off from the fire sheet to be submitted to the planning board approving that the site of the fire department access. three. Um that the applicant will work with field engineering to agree on a design solution to mitigate the impervious um addition of the site. Four, that the applicant receive DOT permit approval for the driveway. and five that um we then receive police chief sign off um once the chief has access to the DOT permit application approval. The board have any other questions or concerns on this application at this point in time? Can I suspect if if the chief um I mean I understand everything he said if the permit gets approved and everything and he's still concerned because he doesn't have the sexual police officer say whatever and he's so he doesn't want his sign up.

What does that mean? I mean, if this is a condition, which I approve them and everything, I think practically it means that the police chief works with Bren and her team to come until a level of consensus. But until that were to happen, that just hold it up.

Wouldn't that because if we made a condition that there be a sign off by the chief of police upon the the granting of the DOC permit, perhaps there is um friction there. You you can't say I mean it's a weak argument for the town to say that a staffing issue is a legitimate reason to not pass the site based upon an approved permit by the NH for their work. That's a really that that's a really hard way to get to know.

Okay. I would certainly hope that that that that perspective like that would be evaluated. Okay.

Yeah. You know, if I could uh you know concern about that particular condition. It just it it leaves things very open-ended for the applicant. Um and really um at the end of the police who has um expressed concerns about his staffing which is a legislative concern with the town. Um it just it leads to unreasonable condition being placed after a site approval has been granted upon them. And I [clears throat] I I think it's questionable whether a condition like that would even be lawfully upheld without. So I I I understand the concern. um you know and I understand the police chief has very real um concerns and and valid I think for the most [clears throat] part in many respects but I I don't think I've ever I'll be honest I don't think I've ever seen site conditionable after a state agency like Turis has approved I I just said I've never I've never seen that before. But I guess I have a question whether it's law. So Jackson

state police isn't going to go out track.

Correct. And police chief does have the ability in certain circumstances. We had asked him about his references to go to statute or state. I don't necessarily agree with this interpretation of the state statute. I have never looked into the local ordinance, but it adopted state statute. So if I disagree with that, it's like I disagree with the interpretation in the local ordinance. So these are some of the crimes. I I do um have a little bit of a problem with the fact that and I know we've been sort of trying very carefully around this issue to be diplomatic about it. I have a little bit of a problem. a problem with the fact that we can't get him. We need to even discuss this because in his mind everything is hypatical. It's not hyped. It's real. It's on the planet. So, so this it was my opinion and also the times on the applicant and review plans and offer which he was remissed to do but now it's put us in a position where he holds ultimately the total decision making power the end of the process and I I'm not I guess I probably challenged in all honest. That's just my position on it. Obviously free to disagree with that. Thanks. [clears throat] Um, so a few things that I'm thinking based on that feedback.

We are still within our 65 days. Um, Peter kindly ran the numbers for me. Um, if we were not to make a decision today and if we were to choose to continue to the next meeting, we would still be within our 65 days, just barely. it would be at that point at the next meeting we would be required to make a decision or kindly ask the applicant um to allow us to continue further. Um I guess I would like to consider a straw hold um that's non-binding just to take the temperature of the board. Does anyone feel as though they would be comfortable um without proceeding without police chief sign? In my opinion, we are in a position right now where we cannot ask legal if it's law for lawful or not to include a condition about police chief sign off. Um, I'm assuming from the applicant that your attorney is speaking on your behalf and that you would feel uncomfortable with that condition of approval this evening. Um, that how we move forward.

Is it often? I don't know that there is a high likelihood that we receive NHB approval writers in that under that just house. Um, we cannot require the chief to host a meeting. They strongly request it. Does the do answer go to who is who does it report to the NH driver will come to so it doesn't even go because it's been involved with this. Okay, it it's very possible if he had someone and they're still they may have taken over with that truck decided that they would see as well. They will consider so we actually make the decision.

Well, we we are we're who they send the permit to on new development. So we're asking you know for reason we're asking the chief. Yes. I asked them chief to sign off on his concept of the safety of the driving and it's it is well let me say it is as I said it is tabulous

to say that we requiring the the chief of police to okay or in the in the uh not okay a driving permit. issued by the responsible party for that draft. Is is that all we're asking? Okay. I mean, because we don't have any we can't Okay.

No, we don't know. Okay. The state gives the state the state would approve the driveway. And what we heard from chief tonight is he doesn't feel comfortable weighing in on the safety of access to the site until he knows whether or not the driveway in its current location has been approved. And that I would like to have in our file something that says he agrees that safety is not an issue. [clears throat] Can I can I document? [laughter]

I just wanted to read the letter from Scott Kane to me about the question that you're talking about just that that he wrote me he canceled our our meeting and you wrote good afternoon run I received your email with the attachment he spoke with the Kensington planning board chairman and Peter Dne this morning regarding the meeting you want to have with the police department about the traffic patterns and um and submitted the plaint you guys um of the week before I was advised that there is no New Hampshire DOT approved driveway permit on the property and there would be no value of having this meeting. The Kensington planning board would prefer to have the traffic private conversation at planning board meeting once the driveway permit has been approved. I will be attending the planning board meeting on December 17th. Once the New Hampshire driveway permit has been issued, the patterns will be addressed through the planning board. So that was what he says that the planning board is going to make that decision for just so that that's that's what he has on record with us. Just to add quickly to that too, it's not uncommon and I'm sure Glenn can attest to this as well. It's actually more common than not to have a state permit be a condition of approval upon planning for approval. I can't even think of a single example of a project where I got a state permit before I got planning approval. Yeah, understood. Yeah.

Not that issue. I'm not debating whether or not we need DOT approval. Whether or not I say you need it, you still need it. It's not me. [laughter] So, what do we I guess I'm a little confused exactly what we want the chief to approve. I mean, I I I want because he's expressed such concern,

right? I want him upon seeing an improved driveway to express that he understands that the driveway is safe. He's saying that he thinks that we shouldn't even have this discussion until there's that information. So, I'm presuming that once he sees an approved driveway token that he's going to agree that it's a safe circumstance really

because their concern is safety of the highway as well. Yes. I need dangerous intersection potential new drivers.

The chief may have more than one issue. Well, exact. I guess that's where I'm going. He may have an issue about training extra officers for a possible incident and he may have a traffic. There may be more than once to the we can arrange him out of the focus of what we want him to uh agree with. I I mean like Matthew said we just are looking to say we want him to agree that

that the state's decision is to say that not three officers in case there's an incident but that that isn't that's not our concern. No, but he may escape. So if the chief work if the DOT driver gets approved and it's current configuration everything that we've looked at there's no turn lanes as the traffic engineer suggested our decision right but if if it gets approved and the police chief did not agree with the driveway configuration.

He hasn't never said that. No, no. I'm just I'm just I'm just working through this. I'm just saying if if the driveway gets approved, right, and the police chief were to say, "I still don't feel like it's safe." If NHD approved it, is there anything that we can even do to rectify that? No. No. Because it's already been approved. It's improvement. Correct. We don't need him to. Well, that's what I guess I'm trying to because like said, he has his other concerns. But if we're only talking about the safety of driving itself,

there's nothing we can do about it anyway, even if he doesn't like it, even if none of us like it. You know, the state is the state and the state is thorough. So why do we need further approval for that piece?

I don't think Well, if you're comfortable with that, I would love to hear a motion a conditional approval and and it can simply be conditioned on those other items in the receipt of the NH. Well, I mean, I think on that what you have to say is we want the chief to be comfortable with all these other safety things. And that's not that's like different than the drive rage. I'm not saying we should or shouldn't, but that you know,

well, it's a I mean, I think for the police chief to fully buy in on all of the other things and bun suggested, we go down the slippery road of like it being contingent on the staffing and you know, we can't control what happens to the town March for staffing. I mean, if the school comes to town and they've done everything we want them to do, then it's incumbent on them to make it work. if they think that's you know it's not they think something needs to be changed to make it safe or whatever word you want to use and work with the private department of education who will work with the town officers of chief king and Jeff uh from the fire department in that so you're not the last option of our school opening is that the department of education also raised on whether or not they're approved as a safe space. So that's just more information for you that you're not the last one saying whether or not you know the school is a safe space. They are the last one saying whether or not students can go in there and they are extremely strict. Is there any value to adding department of education approval or it's redundant because the school simply can't open without it?

Yes. Yeah. Have you never done it? Yeah. Never had this experience there. Great. Great. Department of Education. Just asking the question. So, anyone willing to make a motion? If you're giving the list all [laughter] you can leave number five up to a motion.

Okay. Um, I will make a motion and conditional approval of building blocks common request for application for what I want to say here. Application.

Okay. application for site review um with the following conditions. Um one um they would agree in writing that there will be no hobby outside of the designated spots um and none in the residential agricultural zone. Um condition two um final sign off in the fire sheet will be submitted to the planning board approving the fire department access. Um condition three, the applicant and the field to agree on design solution to mitigate the impervious counts. Um the impervious coverage coverage. Yeah.

Okay. Um counts then I got some very good counts and the condition for um to receive the DOT drive permit. Uh, I'm going to pass on the police chief and so that if anybody wants to amend that, that's fine. I'm very uncomfortable about doing that. I'll second that. That's very speed. Hey, can I just can I just get you to clarify the very first one we say in writing how we just say that there'll be no parking in the agricultural zone.

Yeah. Well, I haven't seen the question. I just mean that that would be true. Y otherwise we need to close as far. Oh, we have a motion. We have a second. All in favor? David, can you get that condition with permanent time limit? And maybe because forgive we say release it.

Great. We give them 6 months. If they still haven't done 6 months, all you have to do is just send us an email. So we have to date them so that it gives people a reason to get stuff. Yeah. Do any of you people working with the state engineering have any uh idea from experience how long they might take? Conditionally engineer [laughter] um per this size month is possible. But if you go beyond that, I'd be a lot more comfortable if it was a a 9 month just to be honest with a year.

You can always come back and ask Yeah. I mean, it doesn't matter. 80 days. We make it 270. Yeah. I mean, it is the fact that um they are already investigating the intersection making it worse. It makes it a little bit longer because we're a little bit now subject to them finishing up their design form. They issued or not their design but their evaluation. Right.

Okay. So, we've been waiting for them to get us the data that they collected there for a couple of months now. Um otherwise, we would have earned as many of our stuff. Okay. So, I feel a little more comfortable than a 9 month. Yeah. So we'll change that to 200 days. Um one question you could say here you can say here in the situation if you get it before the year the information

the year. I was going to go with 270 because maybe that means you're open for next school year. [laughter] lead to you can't condition any activities on the site, right? Like anything that happens. No, anything anything you do out there is really suspect. Yes. To to you know stopping. Yeah. But there's no need to add conditioning system like it's just that like it's your own silver is that that's really all we just want to put some fire alarms. [laughter] That's it.

Okay. With that, I'd like to go ahead and close the public hearing on this item. Thank you all. So we have a conditional approval. Are there any next steps that we have done at this time? We will send it out for decision conditional. Thank you. Long day for you. Thank you so much.

Yeah, we're going to take a brief break um before we do a quick conversation about chemicals. is not on the agenda for this evening. I apologize. I thought I thought you was like, "No, that's all good. I'm actually glad you didn't. I just got through 4 hours and 45 minutes of argumenting zoning application for the fields last night in Portsmith. So I started to say not

I was I was sending it out to get out of the way. I I know that some people have concerns about this, but I think it's a good I don't I this school is a good use of that property. You know, there was another high school that tried to start transition. [clears throat] This happened around the early 1700s. [laughter] You were did it really?

Yeah. And of refus [clears throat] they don't have those nasty noise running. Well different town. Yes. So it could have been Phillips Andover and Phillips Kazington. Correct. Wow. They ally to folks who would have running around streets. There's a wonderful home at the library with the history of Phillips Exag and