Architectural Review Board - Regular Meeting

Good. Um, well, the line dancing part, not so much snowballs. Owner's not there. So, I gave it to the bartender. She was very confused at first. I was trying to explain to her like the exposure and how many people, and she's like, "We can only hold 150 people." I'm like, "No, we're not trying to here." So, I left the paperwork, but Sammy's working on logistics for participating in the parade, too. Well, thank you for doing that. Yeah, no problem. Madam chair, you are live. Okay, so call the meeting to order and can you take roll call Jones? Present. Um, member Lobby is not present. Member man is not present. Secretary Ritterder, member Parsons, Alternate Bartles Meyer is here as the applicant. Alternate Rderman, council leazison Nion here. And our commission leazison come here. All right, we have Corum. We get a motion to approve the minutes from April 10th. Second. Second. All in favor? I mean as well. Uh let's see. Is there anyone on line? Uh we do have one person online and they do have their hand raised. Oh, do I have to say the minutes were say it now if you'd like. Okay. The minutes stand approved as written. It

looks like our attendee put their hand down. Okay. So, uh we'll we'll wait until their presentation later this evening. Sorry, first night jitters. Okay. So, on tonight's agenda, we have um reserve at Wildwood going to be doing Am I supposed to be back? I'm supposed to be reading it or are you doing it? I can read it. Okay, Madam Chair, first item on tonight's agenda is the reserve at Waldwood, 17225 Manchester Road, a preliminary review of architectural elevations, 3D renderings, and floor plan for the floor of the Liberty series to be available within the reserve, a new 115 lot subdivision town center. your permission. I like to just go over a little bit of history and then I think I was going to kind of describe senior path of excellent members of the board. I'll be brief because I did give a lengthy history at the last meeting where the first set of architectural drawings and associated reading were provided. Just to kind of give you an idea, this particular property was first reszoned by St. Louis County in 1989. It was intended to be an enclosed mall with nine outlots and an apartment complex behind that development. Ultimately, that development did not proceed forward. But at the time of the city's incorporation, JH Bara Land Development Company had a contract on property which is approximately 50 acres in size and

they had a subcontract with Deerberg's markets and Dearbergs really had intended to locate there versus where they are now. That particular project was stalled, so to speak, due to the fact that we were doing our town center plan. And that time we were trying to work through that their design versus the new guidelines and standards. Ultimately, they moved 2007208 time frame. The city of Wildwood approved zoning to accommodate a target at that location. That project didn't move forward because Target and his developer Tesco came back and wanted public financing incentives substantial amount of money for the development of the site. Fast forward to 2015, Pain Family Homes had the project under contract and wanted to do residential development. Um for two years we worked through different components of that residential development much more new urbanism style than what you'll see tonight hear about from Mr. Bartles Meyer, but ultimately they stepped back up the city and submitted for the most part a design very similar to this tonight, which again is more culde-sac streets, but an extension of Main Street through the entirety of the site. and something more in the lines of preferia, which means the homes are kind of individually set on each of the lots. So, you don't necessarily get that barracks feel as you drive down the street. There are quite a few amenities uh that are being provided here along with including a playground and common ground, multi-use trails, pedestrian facilities, etc. So all in all, the city council spent a great deal of

timely granting the necessary to proceed forward. 115 lots. Lots generally have to average around 9,000 square feet. Vary, but all in all again have to average roughly around 72 feet in width. Something to that. So all in the perspective of the city you would have approved the site development plan which is the preliminary plan for subdivision purposes actually do display plan at this stage if they wanted to jumpst start some of the homes they can't because they need architectural review board. So a lot of steps in the process from 1989 to 2025. We're at that stage where they are very close to having improvement plans, construction drawings done, which means they'll be able to actually begin upgrading on the site installation of utilities, infrastructure. If there are any questions, I'd be glad to try to answer them at this time. And thank you. Do we have anybody online? I guess uh we have a couple individuals online uh including one representative for the next application and another individual as well. If anyone like would like to make comments online uh please use the raise hand feature. I don't see any raised hands. Madam chair, with your permission, the chief can now go over the packets. Okay. Do we want the steps? We need to do old business first. Old business, new business, and then we review it.

Uh, yes. I just thought we had already started on the reserve item. Well, it said it said sorry said to review the agenda. I thought that's what we just did. Then it said public summit. Oh, okay. Then you started a little side. So, I didn't know we were skipping ahead. I I I guess we could say the agenda's been reviewed and we've asked for public comment and we're good. Okay. Perfect. We'll dive into start the new business. All right. Uh, madame chair, members of the board, tonight our um tonight Alex Bartlesmeer is back uh not as a board member uh but as the applicant uh representing Peli Homemes uh for the reserve at Wildwood uh property and project. Uh this is a new subdivision as uh director Vunich uh detailed already. Uh 115 lots uh located at Manchester Road and Highway 109. As you can see here, uh it is a an approximately 50 acre parcel and it is zoned uh R3 residence district along the amended C8 commercial. Um and there is a plan redevelop and overlay associated with it ordinance included in your packets this evening. Uh this is the site plan uh that director was describing to you. Uh you can see the coldax um main street runs through the entire project isn't working very well trying to outline it for you. So, main streets of the entire development. Um, here you can see the culde-sacs

layout. Uh, there's a multi-use path that connects with the rest of the multi-use pass around town center as well. Uh, there are a number of public spaces built into the plan again as described and that is included in our packet. Um and then this is uh the monument sign that will be at each entrance to the subdivision. Uh but our task tonight is to do a preliminary review of four uh series of houses. This is the Liberty series. Last time we reviewed the designer series. Um so we will be reviewing architectural elevations, 3D renderings and floor plans uh for the series. Uh there are multiple elevation options associated with each one. Uh these houses compared to the houses we reviewed last time are a little bit smaller. Uh they are designed to be 40t wide uh with twocar garages on the A lots and 50 feet wide with threecar garages on B lots. Um, so what I have to review is just a quick run through of the front elevation renderings for each of these options. And so first we'll review the Adams Adams option. So this is elevation A. This is elevation A with threecar garage option. This is elevation B. We're done with the three car garage three car garage and

B three car garage. Uh, this is the Franklin the three car garage and let me know if I'm going too quickly. The idea is just to give you a sense of all the houses that are being offered. Uh, this is the Jefferson Um, and this does not come with three car garage option it looks like. And this is the McKinley. There's three allegations associated with the Mckley. Those are all car crimes. And that is it. So at this time, I'll turn it over to Alex Bartleser to give you a more detailed rundown of this part of the project. Uh tonight, you are not being requested to take an action. Uh we're just seeking your comments and feedback uh which will be folded into uh the final set uh for review uh when we've conducted all of the preliminary reviews. Thank you. Um, it's Alex Borrow Calby Homes. Um, so quick breakdown. Like they said, we're here last month presenting uh five houses from our designer series, which is our larger lots, larger home series. And then this this month we are

presenting four houses from our Liberty series which are the smaller lots. Um do a little breakdown if you want to go to this site layout and broke down real quick. The community is broken into essentially four different lot types. Um which this does color code those. Um the four houses we looked at today being the Liberty series apply to what is lot type A and B which is the orange and blue lots down for those 52 on here where it says 52 lots that's the 40 foot wide houses which are the primarily the twocar houses. Two car Yeah. And then on 62 is the play car uh garage houses. Um of the plans that were presented today, the Adams and the Franklin will transit is available on all of A and B lots because it can transition between a threec car and a twocar. Um the Jefferson and the McKinley are specifically designed for those three car lots. the Jefferson, it actually shows a twocar garage, but it's actually a threecar because there's a tandem in the back behind it. So, where the McKinley is designed to be a threecar. So, um so all four plans will be available on the B lots, but only the Adams and the uh Franklin will be available on the A lots. The designer series itself has eight total houses. Five of which can go on all five of which can go only on the A lots and then all eight are available on the B

lots because I said five were designed to be for the narrower lots with the option to add a third car garage or three of them were designed early for the wider threec car lots. So yeah, that go ahead. Do you mind explaining what's on the screen because I'm not sure that this was included in this packet? No, it is in packets. The first sheet. It is. You're right. It's right on top. No, no, that's fine. Um, yeah. So, yeah, exactly. Like up there primarily, we're looking at those blue and the orange lots are the Liberty series lots. So, which for the design they if you notice they're primarily located on the culdesacs. This was designed to put the larger designer series houses along Main Street um for that predominant feel. And then um for the culdeac um we did the the smaller houses get a nice tighter feel. Good. I just have a question. Sorry. Um like square footage wise is there what's the difference between the designer and Liberty? The Liberties are smaller. Yes, the Liberties are smaller. Um I mean interior square footage, not on the outside. Okay. Yeah. Um the Liberty series can start as small to Franklin. It's the smallest available plan and I believe that's just above 1,800 square feet. Um whereas the smallest designer series starts at um blank which one it is. I think it's it would be the Stockton plan which is just at 2400 square feet. So 2400 would be the top size of any of them in their square. No, no, that's that's the tallest designer space. Okay. Biggest designer. Yeah, the designer the biggest

designer um could get you up to 36 38. Okay. I'm just trying to whereas the biggest uh the biggest river we can get you trying to think which plan Washington plan which we haven't offered has uh it's essentially a twotory and it builds out quite it can has an option to add quite a number of square footage the second floor but even then I think that only tops out around 3,000 square feet for that series being a curious. So, can you ground me or are you the same builder as what's across the street across 109? No. So, these are totally different. Yeah, these are not the same designer. So, no, the same builder, but the space between the homes is going to be similar. It looks like I would believe so. So I I mean like um so I don't know exactly what how those were designed but usually yes um you know the the sideyard setbacks are usually um driven by this the city and I would assume we're in the same zoning as across the street. So we would probably be the same side or at least very similarly similar generally it's going to be anywhere from five to eight feet. Yeah. ter. Well, that's it's 10 feet between houses. It's the house is anywhere from five to six five to eight feet or at least 5 to 8 ft from the property line. So, in here you're looking at the smaller orange lots are probably five foot sideyards. Um, and then you're looking at closer to eight eight foot sideyards for the bigger lots, especially when you get to the yellow. Um,

when you're Oh, sorry. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Well, I'm a little off topic here. That's okay. I brought this up at our last meeting and uh I'm not I'm not comfortable with the roundabout on 109. I mean, who's going to modify that? And if you look at the western portion of that roundabout, I mean, just off that roundabout, it it it it drops and it drops considerably and it's going to need, I don't know, some major fill or some kind of thing, but that that roundabout is isn't it's not sufficient. I I hate going through it. I I try to avoid that roundabout any chance I get. And if that's going to be like the main entrance, I know Old Manchester is another entrance and stuff, but if you're counting on that roundabout, something's got to be done. It's got to be modified, uh, there's got to be a lot of fill for that cave or whatever that that comes off of it there just just to the west. If if you look at it, I mean, if I if somebody lost control in that roundabout on the western end and stuff, they're they're going to have a a time on their hands as they pitch down into that abyss there, if you know what I'm talking about. Certainly do. Mr. Par says a couple of things. First, I shared your concern about the existing dynamics of the roundabout with our Department of Public Works after our last meeting. And just this week, um, Kelly Holmes and their engineer Stocken Associates provided to me initial comments and some of the approvals associated with that area at the roundabout and access into the site from the Missouri Department of Transportation. So, your concerns were heard. We wouldn't release the improvement plans until we got those final approvals or at least a set of comments and some final approvals

relative to what is basically a substantial box cover culver going into that area. And the box cover would sit on obviously south but rock. The intent is to have a slight transition from the roundabout creek due to the box cover culvert into the site. There's a little bit more engineering there that I that I don't understand but can assure you MSD department of transportation core of engineers and the city of looking at that particular location. I think they need to upgrade the roundabout and stuff. And then, you know, I go through there and I I look down the west side. I don't know how deep that is. Uh coming off of it. It's a whopper. Yeah, it is. That's my concern. Noted again. And as I say, we've been pressing Mckelby Holmes to get get that box covered in that area through the MOD process so we can get comfortable that we can proceed on. Thank you. Anything else? Another question for Joe. Correct me if I'm wrong, but planning has already included the density level. This is not an issue. Um the city council authorized an ordinance actually that allows up to 132 dwellings on individual lots. Kelby Holmes came back and said to do the Liberty and Designer series, they actually reduced it to the 115. So yes, density is not an issue. And again, because it's town center and it's designated a combination of neighborhood general and neighborhood edge.

My only comment is on the Jefferson on elevation A there's something this is just kind of picky. So the over the garage is a little blank and all the other ones kind of have lots. Yeah. And so there's something even dropping that that cross piece down a little or something. It just looks a little section. Yeah. Then is each one offered in the is the siding and the other option. Isn't it that hardy? It doesn't look like siding. All this all the siding material is hardy. So what's up in the gable is a shake, right? But what's this? That looks smooth. That's a hardy board looking. It'll be a stucco finish to it. Hardy board with the the trim back. It's a board and batt. So on every option can you choose either or or do you like is only the stucco version on elevate this Franklin elevation? We do allow some variations with that if someone does come in and say hey I I would prefer like no and and Wildwood has a requirement that we not build same house and elevations next to each other. We we don't have we have it within our company. We don't prefer to do that. Usually, if someone wants to build a very similar house next to it, we at the very least change colors, we'll also encourage material change. So, yeah, we're not opposed to it. Like you said, if someone comes in and they're like, I really like this elevation, but I don't want shade. Yeah. I would prefer to have your board and board match. Yeah, we'll make that change.

And the trim pieces that go vertically are always in white on your elevation, but they can be other colors. Um, they can be other colors. You know, here it was limitations of the the the rendering process. Absolutely. But yes, in theory they could, if they wanted to, they could pick it to be the same color as the this the stuckle behind it. Um, so Chair. Yes. I ask Mr. Barmeer a question. Did you ask on this? Do people like the option with the tandem garage, the Jefferson garage? Um, we do sell it. Um, I think some people do like it um because it it's it's in the series. It's unique because it's the width of the the house, but it's not for three car. It is a threec car garage, but it doesn't have a threec car front. So, it really comes down to the how accessible do they want that third car garage. Like the idea. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Some people, a lot of people that third car garage is not really using for a car. So, not having garage door is really a detriment to to some people. So, Anyone else? Madam Chair, we now have presentations on both of those series. There's not an objection, but I think I would like to have a final recommendation. Okay. So, do we need to make a motion to

do that? I would prefer if you want to make a motion to move by and seconded by that. We've had I I appreciate you. Then we want to move on to the second church. Did you take Yeah, you need to take Oh, sorry. All in favor? I [Music] abstaining. Thank you. there a third round maybe like next time like we're just gonna like all summer we're going to keep seeing here yeah so just that we've only submitted nine of the total 16 plans I believe um so no I have 16 um so there will be a few more coming this was preliminary we will have to submit for a final review for all of the houses that are already been it's So like to the fellowship take it from there. Fellowship of Wildwood Church on 770. Official elevators to the existing religious institution located at Highway [Laughter]

100 Jones. Would you like to recogn recognize the addition of uh another member of the board? Yeah. Uh does he need a roll call or did we just Maybe we just recognize that Alex Farlesmeer is rejoining the board. Alex has now joined the meeting. He turned his head around now. All right, Madame Chair, members of the board, our next case uh involves uh an initial review of a new lobby addition and a new elevator addition to an existing religious institution located at 100 and Mueller Road. Here's the map. So, here you can see Highway 109, Stake 100 West. And this is the property here. It is almost uh 30 acres in size. It is zoned non- urban residence district and it is located outside uh town center. Uh the fellowship of Wildwood Church was built in 20 uh 2003. uh upon the site. Uh here you see the parking areas on the site. Uh this is the existing building. This is the new elevator edition and this is the new edition. Uh this is the site planed by the applicant. Again, this is the new elevator

edition. Um and here is the overall main level floor plan. So then the addition to the other areas of the building and this is the new or sorry this is the new lobby edition. This is the new elevator edition. This is all existing. Uh this is the lower level floor plan. And so you can see that bigger. Uh here you can see the exterior southwest elevation within. Um and down here is a key to give you a sense of where that view is coming from. This is the northwestern elevation. Obviously the the new parts are in color and the gray are this is the new elevator elevation and uh this is the northeast and northwest elevation rendering of the lobby edition. another view of it. And that concludes my uh introduction. So, at this time, I'm going to turn it over to Rosie Mitchell of the Aspen Group, who is representing the Fellowship of Wildwood in this application. Um, and I should note that tonight, uh, the architectural review board is asked to approve approve with or without conditions or deny this application. The presenter is online. Yes, the petitioner is online. And I just need to promote

them. Mitchell, if you are online, I am attempting to promote you to panelist. Uh, sometimes this pops up as a a prompt. Oh, there you are. It did look like she was joining our panel, but now she's still crafting my attendees queue. So, if you'll just give me a few minutes to try to resolve that. There she hi there. Can you guys hear me? Yes, we can hear you now. Great. Um, it looks like I lost connection but was able to um join back in. So, let me share my screen. Is that large enough for you guys? Yes, that looks good.

Um, so as um as she mentioned, uh the new addition is shown in uh the rendered version here on the elevation. Um we're matching existing heights. Uh the lobby has two varying heights. One is uh roughly 14 ft and then these peaked roofs here. Uh the new addition will be set kind of at that 14 ft. Um as well as this little popup that you see to the right here that is covering an RTU unit that will be placed on the roof um to be completely concealed there. Um the new addition um that you can see there is lower enough to allow for some clear story windows uh to um allow some natural light into their existing lobby. Um the red color that you see here is uh all brick that is um will match the existing size color um of their existing as well as the mortar uh will match as well. Um this gray area that you see here um it will be a stone um veneer um that will consist of uh that will play off of their existing kind of yellow natural um warm tones of the existing ephus and brick that you see on their existing building. And again that that is only shown in the middle here to kind of break up the elevation as well as the at the post of the canopy. Um and on the other elevation of the new lobby is um same thing, brick to match existing. Um around by the elevator um at the back of the building here uh that

is all loadbearing masonry with a with an ephus finish um with some reveals to match existing um some existing architectural elements that are on the back of the building um with a cornice ephas cornice and coping at the top. Um there some renderings here to um illustrate those elevations. So uh the brick majority of the building will be brick um with a stone veneer at the front here and with some stone along the peers for the canopy. Uh the new canopy is um an aluminum louvered uh sun shade uh that that will allow some natural light that you can see the shadow line there that it's not completely opaque um to allow for some um some sun shade on the inside as well as out on the patio. Um you see there again same elevation here uh similar materials all matching existing. Another close-up view. Uh this rendering just so you know is not representing that stone very well. U but you could see it here on the peers. Um above each of the there's three new exit doors um out of the building. Each exit door will have a down light in on top of it and then at each of the post on the canopy will have um a down light as well. And then introducing um every other ballard in front of the patio here as a light ballard. that would be similar to again to their existing um color and style of Ballards

there. Um on this slide is kind of just a snapshot of a lot of the existing that we're matching. Um here's an large view of the brick and the coroness with ephus and metal coping. Um color of the metal coping, color of the ephus. Um and then um the exterior glazing is a tinted kind of bronze look that we're maintaining with the new addition as well. Uh the storefront frame will be aluminum uh dark bronze as well. Um stone veneer as well. And then um the three fixtures that are on the exterior would be this uh wall pack that's above each of the new exits. This is the canopy pulse light and then the ballards that are in the front there. Um and lastly just a couple of views of the existing to look through. Um the intent is to kind of match again the style, the look that's there. Um, and then lastly, uh, just some landscape. Um, there's, uh, a few landscape areas that we are updating, uh, once the new addition gets, um, installed. We've got a little bit of, um, landscaping here, uh, off to the west. And to the front, uh, the rest will be concrete patio, um, which majority of the patio, um, is concrete now. and we're just going to be replacing that with new concrete and control joints. Um around the patio will be new turf um where we are um disturbing some of that grade. And then in the back um where we're disturbing any um

landscaping for the new elevator will be put back with their finished gravel um mulch and um a few of the green gem boxwoods. Um, but I'll stop there. Um, any questions? Is that one? You you hinted towards that these doors are primarily to be used for exiting the building more than entrances. Okay. Correct. Their existing main entrance will remain. Okay. Is there any issue with the use of ephus? Isn't it like not allowed in the town center, but it's okay elsewhere? Is that the rule? Yes, in town center it's frowned upon outside town center. It's we don't material. Okay. Thank you. Yes, chair for Mitchell, could you give a little more detail on that overhang or that sunscreen you mentioned? I'm not I'm not recognizing it on the plan set, at least the flat plan shows the the the improvements, but if you could just explain the law, appreciate it. Uh, yes. Let me pull it up. [Music] here 100 page. So this the sun shade it extends in plan view. It sits right

there. And in this view can see it. If that's a little hard to read. Um the canopy sits right there. So there are columns supporting it. Correct. There's individual columns that are supporting the front and then uh the back end will be supported on the existing or on the new building. Correct. Thank you. And it's what it appears to be there. It's truly a a sun shade. It's doesn't it's not an actual roof. Correct. Correct. Thank you. Have a couple of comments back to that elevation you just showed us. The stone base that you're having for those peers. It's kind of small. The other comment that I wanted to make is is the elevator when the elevator is placed on the side, is there paving around that elevator? Uh, no, there will not be paving around that elevator. Um, it's within an existing landscaped area. Um, let's see. It's within an existing landscape area that's along here. There is a stoop that's right outside an existing door uh that will be remain or patched if it's removed during construction. Um but that's all within a landscaped area. Yeah. But they're not cutting grass around that because I would say that the tendency is people who are riding the lawnmower have a tendency to run into things and ephist doesn't take that well.

Correct. Yeah. Curtains. Yeah. Currently there's no grass and um there's no intent to put grass in that area. I don't think it would grow. That's the south the north side of that building. Anyways, anybody else? Anyone like to motion to approve or motion like changes. Well, you should ask her about those disagree. I move to approve. Second. I'll second. So, we have a Mr. Parsons and a motion from or a second from Mr. Sorry, I can't see that part. Bartles Meer. Bartles Meer. I was going to say Bartles Smith. in favor. I Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Thank you very much. We have any other items? Next meeting date is Thursday, June 12th. I promise to smooth things out a little bit for them. Um, anyone would like to motion? Do we have a second? Second. Great. Meeting adjourned. Thank you very much. Sh with reg.