Community Police Review Board - Regular Meeting

Check. Check. All righty. It having reached the hour of 5:30 p.m., I'm calling the May 21st, 2025 community police review board meeting to order. Just a quick announcement. Uh before proceeding, I would like to provide the board members some guidance on how to use the technology at the DIS. To speak, you will need to use the mics which are activated by pushing the talk button. You will need to wait for the chair to acknowledge the speaker before proceeding to talk. Will the clerk call the role? Member Beasley Day. Member Bryant. Member Christensen present. Member Jell here. Member Grant here. Member Smith. Member Han. Chairman Zoro here. Board member Bird is absent this evening. We would like to ask the board to consider her request for an excused absence, which meets our criteria for granting of an excused absence. At this time, we ask for a motion from the board to grant her an excused absence. All in favor? I. All righty. On to the first topic. Um, do any of the board members have any conflicts of interest pertaining to items listed on the agenda tonight? All righty. Seeing none, um, I will now, uh, open it up to the public. As noted on the agenda, public comments will only be in person. Zoom will be available for viewing and wordly translation. Does anyone wish to speak on any item under public comment? This is for items not on the agenda and you would have three minutes to

speak. All right. Seeing none, I will close public comments and we'll be on to consent item. Uh, a consider approving minutes from the community police reward re police review board meeting on April 16th, 2025. Would anyone like to remove the consent item for further discussion? If not, is there a call for a motion? Second. All in favor? I All right. Um on to new business. Um up first we will have a presentation on community engagement and activities presentation from Lieutenant Brian Clyber. hear me? You might have to bend your knees a little bit to get to the mic. For future reference, maybe we'll try to raise that a little bit. Okay. Chief, if they put it up your size, not mine. Sorry. So, uh, thanks for having me here, uh, today. Uh, obviously the my my purpose is to talk about some of the community engagement activities we're involved in, some of the things that we do to involve ourselves with the community. Um, just one thing I would ask that you consider, you know, as you listen to this is that

if there's anything that you see that, uh, we're uh, falling short on, that's what we're here for, and let us know uh, any other ideas you have that we could reach out to folks uh, within our community. So, one other thing I want to um also bring to your attention, our comm our uh crime prevention unit, CPU, is is really tasked with with a lot of these uh uh things that we're involved in and engaged with in the community. Uh up until July of 24, we only had one person in there because of staffing issues. In July, we were able to add a second full-time employee uh in the crime prevention unit, and then in March, we were able to add a third. So, uh, we're seeing these pick up, uh, from from where they've been in the past, even though I think we were doing pretty well also. So, what I'm going to be doing is going back to events over the last 14 months. Initially, I put this together for March uh, from March meeting. We got pushed back to May. So, I'll be going over basically the last 14 months or so of activities that we've been doing uh, in our department. So, uh, first, I think one that most everyone is familiar with is National Night Out. Um, it's always the first August in uh first, I'm sorry, the first Tuesday in August. So, this year it'll be on August 5th this year. Uh, hopefully we'll see some of you uh folks out there. Uh, I've been going almost every year the last 25 years and it's a it's a good time. I know some of you have also been there for that. Uh, we had 92 registered parties last year uh throughout the city. uh and for cities of our size, we came in first uh in the state of California and sixth in the nation, which uh is something that uh I think we could be pretty proud of because it's a pretty tall order putting that together, but it's also a really important event and a pretty good time also. So, uh we also have the wake up program, which um not sure how familiar everyone is with this, obviously geared toward younger folks uh between 12 and 17 years old. Uh we put together uh about two classes a year typically uh and it's it's geared toward uh young

folks who are uh somewhat at risk um of getting into some trouble later on uh between 12 and 17 years old. Uh they could be referred to us either by uh their school that they're going to or from a parent uh and that's who can enroll them. One of the requirements is that one of their parents or guardians comes to every meeting with with the kid. Uh because the purpose isn't to be a daycare center, but it's to actually teach the the the youngster and the parent how they can work together to do better in school, do better in home, and you know, not get in trouble. So, it's a eight-week program. Um parents must attend with the students and really the purpose is to educate youth on making good choices. Um, and just so you know, the next class tenatively is planned for uh August or September. About once a month, we do coffee with the cop events. Um, our next one actually scheduled for June 18th. Uh, just came out today over at 4,800 uh Dale Road at Jacamos. So, if you'd like to come out for that, that would probably be a good opportunity uh for everyone here as well. Um, but we have about one of those a month. We've had what 12 uh and soon to be 13 uh since March of last year. Uh neighborhood watch meetings is something that is typically set up with the crime prevention unit. Um so far um again going back to March of last year, we've done 15 neighborhood watch meetings. uh those usually generally coordinated with folks uh within the neighborhood who want to get together with their neighbors and with someone from our police department to discuss issues, trends, things like that going on in the neighborhood. So, uh if anyone is ever interested in setting up a meeting, uh you can always hit me up. We can get a hold of crime prevention and find a way to set that up. So, this isn't something we do outside of work, but I thought it's kind of a nifty idea that someone had. Um and that is, you know, one of the issues we have in our in our city is traffic safety. Um and we we have a lot of

pedestrian versus vehicle uh accidents that occur late at night. And unfortunately, those oftentimes turn out very poorly for the uh pedestrians. So about a year ago, maybe a year and a half ago, I think, uh we started purchasing some uh reflective vests for those who actually want to wear them at night. Uh for folks who are unfortunate enough to have to uh you know, walk or bicycle through the neighborhoods late at night. uh hopefully to let them uh they'll be a little bit more seen by vehicles um and also an opportunity for them to engage with the officers uh as they as they pass those out. We've had uh four community town hall events over the last uh year or so. Um right there is the location. We've had one on Woodland, one on Oakdale Road, uh one on Carver Road, and one on Martin Luther King. That was just uh last week actually. So the way I would basically describe these, they're basically like a neighborhood watch meeting, but it's just super super enhanced because they have more than just the police in the community. You have other sectors of the department such as engineering, parks, interact, public works, city manager office, those types of things that attend these events also. Um, and so we always m uh maintain involvement with those as well. I won't go into detail too much with this. I'm sorry I was actually sick last month, wasn't able to come. Uh, but my understanding is Detective Dodge went over this pretty well. uh the 10K with a cop and that type of event. So um we'll move on from there. Every January uh St. Joseph's Church uh on Oakdale Road sets up a blue mass. It's not just for MPD. It's really for all first responders uh throughout the county. So fires there, AMR's there. Um there's obviously not a requirement uh to be Catholic or even have be involved in a religion, but just as an opportunity for the folks who attend the church uh to meet their local first responders and show support as well. This is one that I I really like a lot. Uh not that I don't the others as well, but the CSI camp I think is a really neat opportunity for youngsters um in

our city. It's geared toward youth u between the ages of 8 and 13 years old. And it's a collaboration between the parks and recck department as well as the police department uh to teach youngsters of those age ages uh a little bit about the uh about the police department, about law enforcement and how to process crime scenes. So, they learn how to take 911 calls. Uh they learn how to collect evidence such as fingerprints and casting impressions. Uh how to document details in a report and it's a it's a week-long uh adventure for them. And on Friday, they have an opportunity to actually process a mock crime scene that's overseen by our own ID unit um who are the professionals that process our crime scenes for us. So, I checked on that today um in case I was asked and uh there is a waiting list right now for this year. We have two sessions, one in June and one in July. Uh but you can get uh get someone uh involved in that on the waiting list if you uh if you would like to do so through the parks and recck department. I'm going to skip by the healthy room project as well, but I just wanted to notate that in here again. That was something that Detective Dodge talked a lot about last month. Um and obviously I think it's one of the neater things that we get involved in. Uh we do an annual youth senate uh youth summit I should say. Um, this one was this year's was held on April 11th out at the Sheriff's Academy and this is something that was spearheaded from uh a collaboration with our Modesto clergy council and the Modesto police department and it's an effort to uh unite the students, the clergy council, MPD, other local law enforcement agencies and the school district the city schools uh into one event. So the kids get an opportunity to do some role playing. This is geared toward high school level kids. they get an opportunity to do some role playing uh with officers. Uh they get to hear officers speak about, you know, their careers and that type of thing. And then they connect over lunch with one another. Uh we've also had 15 open houses over the last year uh or so for

various positions from our police department. Anything from, you know, police support specialists to police officers to park rangers and every every opportunity in between. And I'm not sure exactly when we started doing these, but I think it was within the last two years or so. And it's a really I think it's a neat idea because this this career is a tough one to get into for folks who don't know someone who's in it. Uh because you just don't know where to get started, right? I know when I started uh back I put in my first application back in 1998 and I was a complete loss as to where where where what to do with it and how to how to go about that. Uh so what we do is we want to you know offer people a little bit more insight into it. So, the provincial open houses is not just to talk about what the position is and and what the duties are, uh, but also how to get there and what the application process is going to look like, what the training process is going to look like, and what the requirements are to get into it, and those types of things. Uh, those are open to the public. Yes, they're pretty well attended. Um, my understanding is that we typically have 30 40 people at each one. um for depending on the spot obviously. Um but they're pretty well attended. I'm sorry. Yes. Yeah. They're held in the theater at the police department, so they can it can hold quite a few people. So if you know if anyone is interested in a position of the police department, if you follow our social media, uh that's where these open houses uh come into play and can be found. So kind of along those lines, we also do career days. Uh we've done 14 career days over the last year or so at various schools throughout town. Uh Enox, Capistrano, Stalker, Coffee, CISK, Bret Hart, Fair View, and so forth. Um and these are, you know, just a typical career fair, but it gives young people, uh some elementary, some middle school, some high school. Uh again, some insight into what the police department's like and how they can go about getting there if that's a that's a profession they

choose. We also have the leadership academy public safety days. So, um, the Stasos County has their own leadership academy for youth, uh, juniors and seniors in high school. Um, and one of those days, every academy is focused on law enforcement. So, they can come to the police department, check out the RTCC. I believe Chief Gillespie may maybe speaks to them a little bit and talks to them. Um, I think they do a ride along, maybe just check out the various units that we have within the police department. I think they actually tour the jail as well that day. So, I don't know if they Okay, sheriff's office. I'm sorry. So, we've worked also with the local uh nonprofit DB Project, and their purpose is to provide uh youngsters with things that they need that may not be able to get uh from home uh just because of finances, school supplies, clothing, furniture, those types of things. Uh we typically do a backpack giveaway with them. We did this last August at Robertson Road School uh where kids could receive backpacks and shoes if they needed them uh to return to school for the year. Um, I know we also did like a turkey dinner delivery for Thanksgiving that year working with the DB project as well. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Those go through the DB project. So, they do fundraisers throughout the year so they can purchase these types of things and then that's where they get their funding from. Our K9 unit also does a Santa event every November. So, uh, this year it'll be on November 8th if anyone's interested. It's kind of a neat event to go to. Uh the cananan officers do some demonstrations with their dogs and show how the dogs work. Uh they have vendors for the public. Uh people within the public that's that sell arts and crafts to come out and sell their wares. It's free uh for the vendors as well. And it's located out at Beckwith uh veterinarian over near Beckworth 99. They put it on every year. Uh but the main purpose behind it is it's obviously free admission but bring some toys uh to deliver to the kids and all of these go out to Sierra Vista. So that's what they

collected last year. They had a pretty good pretty good haul. And speaking of the canines, we've uh we've done 38 K9 demonstrations um for the public uh over the last year. Um those are typically done with like scout troops or schools or those types of things. Um but they're a good way for our canon officers to interact with the public. And if anyone's interested in any of these in the future, hit me up and let me know. I can arrange that for you as well. And along with the toy drives, the our explorers do one every year also. Uh they do typically two weekends. This year, this last year, uh they were up at the Walmart at Upper Mckenry, 3800 Mckenry. Uh they collect these toys as well, and they deliver them either to families that the explorers are already familiar with that need a little bit help for the holiday season. Um, and those that don't deliver to get delivered in that manner, uh, go with the patrol officers and they put these in their trunk and they can hand them out through the course of December to families that might need a little bit extra for the season. We also have a behind the badge program. It's part of the after school program. Um, I think Detective Dodge talked a little bit about it. Um, but he was told me today that he didn't go into too much detail with it. But basically, uh, it's a partnership. I I put on here Mark Twain, but he told me this morning that he also does one at Handshaw. And so they do that every year as well. Uh so over the course of the week, the kids just learned about law enforcement, the various uh units, the K9 unit, the SWAT team, those types of things. And uh he said about 50 to 60 children attend these events. Miracle League of Standos is a is a local nonprofit that allows uh children with severe physical or mental uh disabilities to experience what it's like to play baseball. And our officers, as you can see here, they go out there a few times a year and uh play with the

kids, let the kids play some baseball out on a special field. The field's located up at 1020 Pelendale. Um and it's spe it's renovated specially for these kids so they can go out there and play and feel what it's like to to go out and play baseball. And so our officers go out there a few times a year and help them with that as well. We also do the Special Olympics. Um we do quite a few fundraisers for that throughout the year. The tip a cop event, the law enforcement car wash out in series as well as the badges with buckets. And the the ultimate um fundraiser behind this is the torch run. And this isn't just a Modesto thing. It's actually nationwide. uh but they run a torch through Modesto and collect uh donations for that uh that go toward the Special Olympics. We also have the every 15 minutes program. Um this is a partnership with Sutter Gould uh Memorial Hospital, Stansaw Sheriff's Office, Mesto Fire, Mesto CHP. It's basically just to reenact what it's like uh to have a fatal drunk driving collision. Um, so the kids see the process from beginning to end. As you can see, um, from the slideshow, it even includes the helicopter coming down to metaphone out. Uh, the purpose is to show them how serious drunk driving can be. Um, this is funded through a grant from the California Office of Traffic Safety. And over the last year, we've done uh these presentations at Johansson, uh, Byer, and Downey. Read Across America is uh something that was established in 1998 by the National Education Association and uh the purpose is to get kids reading and it's it's focused on one week a month in March and uh over the last two years in March we've done three of these events uh throughout the city at Beard Martone News and CF Brown schools and as you can see it's basically just officers go there in uniform talk to the kids read

them a little bit of a book and that type of This one's coming up in a couple weeks uh over at the dog park at 601 West Morris. The dog walkers watch where we have our crime prevention unit along with animal control officers, canine officers, and chat workers go out there and just talk to people about uh safety, walking their dogs through the neighborhoods. The uh MPD Youth Academy is a two-day event for high schoolers who are interested in a career in law enforcement uh to come out uh it's open to kids between 13 and 17 years old uh and just learn about MPD or special units, crime scene processing, those types of things. Generally, we have 20 to 25 kids who attend uh this event as well. And I was told uh just this week that uh they'll have one uh in July. So, if you know anyone who might be interested in that, any high school age kids that might be interested in that, uh, just watch our social media because they're planning on posting that in June. We also play a few basketball games every year. I think Chief Klesper and I used to play a lot more. I think you still play sometimes. But, uh, we have an annual game with Byer High School. Um, their basketball team. We actually won this year, I was told. um says a lot for our guys. Uh we have hoops and hot dogs hoop and heroes events sporadically throughout the year. We've had a couple of those this year and I know at least one board member uh attended our donkey basketball game against Best of Fire uh which we won in pretty dramatic fashion. Sorry, Mr. Bryant. Um that's always the first week in March and the purpose behind that is a fundraiser. Um and on our end it go towards the Modesto Running Club. So this is kind of a neat event. It's something that we just participate in. We don't spearhead it, but um out at MJC West, I'm yeah, West Campus, uh they do a touch a truck event. It's basically to teach kids about uh heavy machinery

and the career fields that uh that you can go to within that. So, we attend that with our SWAT team, our evidence processing team, those types of things. It's run through the chamber of commerce is my understanding. And it's uh used to teach kids about career paths um using heavy machinery and the proceeds benefit scholarships through the messes to Chamber of Commerce Foundation. We also uh every year for I think at least the last 15 to 20 years we've participated in the Robertson Road School fall festival. Um and that's a schoolwide event that they do on a Thursday in October. Usually it's around the last or mid to last uh Thursday in October. Uh we always have our explorers out there, our canine unit. Uh traffic usually goes up there as well. Uh and it's just a chance for the families to get together at the school toward the beginning of the school year. Um, and we always make sure we have representation there as well. So, my sister-in-law actually runs that on the Robertson Road school end and she's retiring this year, so we're going to make sure we keep that going as well. This isn't a forward- facing event, but I thought it was something worth worth uh giving a quick shout out to. Uh, I think most of you uh know about Mikey Rakitis, our detective, who was shot uh three years ago, three and a half years ago in August of 21. uh this last year he started our own MPD blood drive um because of what you know he needed back when that happened with him and so we were able to collect 51 units of blood for the community on that day and so finally getting toward the end these are just a few mislead events I also thought would be worth uh touching on uh we have four of our employees are full-timers that are involved with Sierra Vista mentorship program uh where a kid is selected through Sierra Vista and our our folks go through some training with Sierra Vista and they spend the year spending an hour, hour and a half with that kid throughout the year teaching about life choices, how to do better in school, how to do better in home, uh those types of things. Uh we do a save a seat program with uh Mark Twain and Robertson Road uh

throughout the year sporadically where our officers will go and sit with a kid uh who might not have to sit with during lunch and just kind of make them uh feel a little bit more involved. We have the lead program which is the licency education on alcohol and drugs and that's something we host at the police department. Uh it's really run through ABC uh to teach local business owners about the various laws they should be aware of. Uh business watchmies are pretty similar to neighborhood watch but they're run through for businesses as well. Uh this last year we're involved in the family funday at Oregon Park. Every October we participate with Red Ribbon uh week events uh through the school systems as well as various trunk or treat events. We always have a booth out at Earth Day Park. And then throughout the year we do car seat inspections as well through the trafficking uh for people who want to come by the police department, make sure their car seats are set up properly. And so that's it. Um any questions? Any questions from board? Thank you, Lieutenant Clybridge. Um, yeah. Does the board have any questions? Okay, go ahead. Um, Brian, I've noticed that um most of the emphasis with these um school programs are um focused primarily on Mark Twain, Robertson Road, Hansshaw Middle School. Um I'm I I hesitate to make an assumption, but it seems to me that you're targeting areas um for lower income uh perhaps kids that you deem more at risk. Is that an accurate assessment or would you like to do it? Would you like to expand it to to more of the middle schools? Yeah, we we do attend events all over town, but of course we want to we want to really

focus attention on kids who are at risk. And we also get a lot of requests from those schools as well, you know, to come to come by and help out in addition. And and I would say the other thing is that uh we did have a Calvip grant uh that we received and we had to identify a specific area based on uh different data points. And so West Modesto uh that encomp encompasses um Mark Twain and and it's an area I don't know the exact boundaries but I think it's Carpenter to like Paradise to Maze uh into MLK somewhere in that vicinity was was identified. So that's why officer Dodge who's included in the grant or Detective Dodge who's included in the grant uh focuses on those areas primarily. Um, just to kind of piggyback off of that. Um, now I I love the programs and all that and I did also notice that they were in the westside type of area of our city and those areas primarily are Latino youth or black youth. And so my not necessarily concerned, but I I wonder any data that might reflect all of these programs and how it could be helping the youth because our youth arrest rates and everything that we're actually looking into for Latino youth arrest rates. Um if you guys have any data that may happen to show how this is helpful for those kids in that area, just to Yeah, we could look at arrest rates. It's really hard to do a correlation obviously because some of these programs have been going around a lot longer than others. You know, some, you know, some as long as I've been here, some are fairly recent. So, I don't know if a correlation could really be done. Yeah. I think a lot of these programs, as as you can see, these aren't all MPD generated. Correct. Right. There's a lot that other

organizations, Sierra Vista, Boys and Girls Club, whatever it may be, um, uh, maybe have the core program and then we provide assistance through whatever means that we can. And usually a lot of our assistance either comes through grants either directly to us or pass through or come with kind of inind with our donation of of officers time and things like that. Um so um definitely I I think getting exact metrics is difficult when we're not the lead agency on that. But I can tell you as do as detective Dodge pointed out last time and it was Modesto City Schools data on suspension rate, discipline rates, uh all that uh uh for uh I don't remember the exact schools. I know Mark Twain was included in there. I don't know. I can't remember if there was more than that. Uh but when you looked at disciplinary rates and all that, it's dropped dramatically. Now again, it's hard to pull out what direct impact, you know, or what percentage Detective Dodge is responsible for that. Uh I would like to think that um that there is some impact there but no doubt Modesto City Schools is doing a fantastic job of doing other stuff as well. Um so I think that's always going to be the struggle but uh definitely open to any suggestions on how we can crunch data better, collect it. Um, from our perspective, anything that we can be involved in where we're building relationships, uh, making people um, see us as as partners rather than, uh, than foes, uh, is something that we think that long term will help help people, um, through, you know, potentially be on the right path. Now, a lot of other life factors come into come into those things, but uh yeah, if there's any suggestions you guys have as far as how we can crunch data and and really have a overall assessment of whether these programs are working or not or having any significant impact, I'm all ears. It's but it's pretty difficult to do. Yeah. Maybe um if we can possibly get the information on the organizations that do put a lot of these programs together and maybe we or you guys can reach out and see if they do collect data themselves and maybe

they'll be willing to give it to us to to review. Yeah, we could find out. One other thing I would just add too is it's not just I mean obviously these are focused on the kids, you know, the most part, but it's a pretty big benefit for the officers as well. Yeah. To get involved in that. And you know, I've noticed that uh volunteerism isn't quite as high as it was 25 years ago. Uh so getting officers to go out there and be involved with the community. It it provides another benefit on that side, too. Okay. I had a I have a question for him. Um I just had a suggestion. Um maybe you guys can get the data from progress reports, grades. Um because I'm pretty sure like when they enter the program, um you guys get names, some information. And maybe you guys can go through, you know, behavioral reports, progress reports, grade reviews, and then you guys can measure it that way. Like so and so came into the program, they were getting it's middle school, so they were they weren't passing, and then because they joined the program, they were passing and behavior has improved, there's not too many in school suspensions. You know, you can measure it that way. That those could be performance measures for sure. Thanks. Thank you, Austin. Um, Nico, I wanted to offer more commentary um on this. On the flip side of the data piece, some that are community based. Um, the touch a truck event that was brought up here is an event we've done twice. Um, hoping to bring it back again this year. I've done a lot of the outreach to pull a lot of first responder presence, not just PD. Um, we've had the sheriff fly in for these. The last event we had, open to the public, free event. We had close to 6,000 people come to it. Um, always a line at every vehicle in this law enforcement zone. So, it draws attention, a lot of engagement from youth climbing in, over on, and talking to officers. So, I step back and watch the different the rigs and the trailers

and the kids running around. They never miss the fire and the police and the AMR and whatever else we have there. So, it's just impact. There's no data I can collect on that either other than attendance and energy. I have one more and then also uh I do I love all of the programs that you guys have. I was just wondering um if you guys could maybe add one. I think it's a I think personally this idea could be a little too far, but have you guys ever thought of maybe doing I would call it I I don't want to call it the word I want to call it. So I'll call it civilian highlight to where you know recidivism is a big thing in our community and just just just anywhere in this country and you guys are very much involved with some of the same people you guys arrest commonly all the time. So, I was thinking um what's what's maybe a good idea would be to highlight some of those people that you guys come in in in contact with a lot that you guys have maybe arrested several times, but then you know, you've seen the same person and they've been good for two years, you know, and you guys have been known to get this person year in and year out, but then they're in the community, they're doing things and they're showing that they want to be a valuable member to society. I think that would be a good, you know, segue for the police department to start highlighting some of the people they're keeping away out of recidivism. Yeah, I like that and thought about that. Yeah, I think it's a good idea when we can identify those people that are the success stories. Yeah. Uh and and and and providing motivation to people may be struggling or at risk to say, "Hey, if he can make it or she can make it, I can do it." Uh I think it's a good idea. Awesome. I know we had a few questions over here. Brad, is this just segue from what was just

said? Uh, in another volunteer thing I' been working on is neighborhoods and uh having any kind of interaction in neighborhood to deal with social isolation. And we it's actually starting uh we've got about 40 or 50 neighborhood type things happening countywide. And what I found is we're terrible at telling the story. And one thing that we're doing that's very simple, but you have to be intentional about it is taking your phone and doing a video. Brian, how did this day affect you? You know, the police officer, uh, chief, how did this affect you? What what what did you learn from this? What's going to make a difference? It's very anecdotal data. It's the opposite of what has been asked of up here, but it it it feels really good and it that person acknowledges it and uh you know identifies it and then they're looking on the getting their family to look on the website because they're featured this month or whatever. But it takes time and it and it costs because you have to have somebody that's willing to collect all that data and and then get it out there. So that that's what we're doing is we're spending probably twothird or not two probably a third of our budget is on just this kind of stuff which you don't ever do right you don't do it nobody knows until we come to one of these things and I had no idea you guys are doing all that stuff but but it's just you have to be intentional about it and find a person that can do that. It's probably not Brian or you that would do that or me. It would be somebody that that's their task is to be sure that we collect this data, which still fits in with what you're talking about is, you know, go talk to that person who you you saw that was struggling through that that u whatever you whatever the thing is you're doing. Um, but I tell you it's it's very money well spent because we we

are terrible as a as a whole at tooting our own horns and that's really it creates it raises the level up like you can't believe. Yeah, for sure. I mean, yeah, hard data can be tough, you know, to figure out cause and effect, but you know, anecdotal data kind of has a negative connotation to it, but it's not. It's life experience is anecdotal by definition, right? And so giving people's life experiences uh out there is is one of the most impactful kinds of data you can have, right? It doesn't mean we shouldn't look at report cards and suspension rates, right? Because those are important as well. And those kind of help you figure out on a more wider spread. Well, hope things are working. But hopefully, like chief said, it isn't just what the police department does, it's what you do, it's what the chamber does, it's what the schools do. And it's very difficult to pick out your little thing when other things are happening. But collectively things are happening. Collectively when when you see less kids getting going out on detention, you see le you know more people coming to school that those all are really things to celebrate. Yeah. No, they're you're right. They're really important and sometimes I don't know that we do a great job of telling that story out there, you know, and and the way people experience these things is, you know, super important. You know, we we go through crime stats every two weeks at at our CompStat meeting, but I kind of feel like I have a thumb on the crime rate by listening my back door at the number of sirens I hear on Saturday nights, you know, and it's anecdotal, but it's true. And uh so no, I think that's good stuff. Maybe um you guys can further build the relationship with the JohanssonVPN, get them to come out to some of the events and do some recordings for you guys, things like that. Great idea. That really is because they that could be one of the class projects because they I mean they did the 10K with the cop dive video was put together really well. So they do they do a fantastic job. So we we're definitely

always looking to do more partnerships with them. Uh but uh to your point um we don't do a good job as a city in general uh of our community from everybody of telling our own story because there's amazing stuff that goes on here every single day, not just the police department but everywhere. Uh and you know there's still somewhat of a negative connotation I think often of of our city. So uh very very good point, very well well taken. It's something we'll consider. And then just to go back uh maybe to Austin's point is um it is something uh I told you guys before and some of you guys are part of project resolve but that's a conversation I've been having uh with the facilitator there Kate Trumpeter of how do we we talk about data there's a lot of good organizations do a lot of good stuff um but we all and somewhat crossover but there's not really a a collection point of data because to your point Austin you know Minnesota city schools is going to have information on suspension rates and discipline, but Sierra Vista may have something about, you know, behavioral health or other things like that. And we don't have any type of clearing house. And I get there's a lot of logistics. You talk about HIPPA and you talk about all these other things, privacy rights, which are absolutely important that we want to make sure that we abide by, but how do we still abide within those laws and regulations and privacy, but get data that we can evaluate whether all these things are working together? because I think we all agree things that aren't working let's let's drop it and do something else but oftent time we just operate in these silos and so it's a conversation ongoing conversation I don't think there's an easy answer to it but know that it is on our radar um there are conversations having about how do we how do we collectively come together and be more uh cohesive with all the good things that we're doing and then to your point Brad then we need to get it out there and talk about it and be our own our own spokespeople about what we're doing I'm I'm curious about uh something I guess sort of indirectly

related to this, maybe directly. Have have you noticed any of your um recruits that have gone through these programs that have mentioned that during their interviewing process and all that? Is is this I guess what I'm asking is this bearing fruit with your recruitment efforts? Absolutely. Um, again, we have all our recruits go through Healthy Room Project while they're in the field training program. It's it's we always have them now. They're they're fairly frequently. Um, so they're uh I say required, but it doesn't take much once they're there and you see the smiles on their face and what they're doing involved whe coffee with cops, a healthy room project, all the these things. Um, and and again, those one-on-one conversations like you're talking about, Brad, and I probably need to bring a video camera and and make sure that I'm recording that, but when you talk about someone who's saying one of our recruits with a big smile on their face saying, "This is the first time I've actually put together a bed uh and and excited that they're doing it." And then many of you have involved in healthy the room project, but just the the, you know, hair on the back of your neck that stands up when you're see the kids walk in the room, that's going to have an impact on anybody. So, no, we've we've heard that impact from our our our officers, and there's no doubt that that has an impact on how they go out and do their job and and kind of setting the foundation for for their career. I guess more specifically what I'm after, and I think that's I think that's terrific what you're doing there, is um these uh school programs that you have for middle school and for high school. Have you seen any results from that? And those students becoming recruits. Yeah. Oh, I see what you're saying. Or applying, you know, and going through the process. Have you seen any results from that or have you been tracking that or Absolutely. I I can't tell you a specific number, but um I used to sit on a lot of our interviews for police officer and I I spent I spent a lot of

my career uh with the FTO program uh whether they were in my car or I was overseeing the program myself. And so you you get the stories behind everyone. And I don't have a specific number um because it's not something we ever tracked, but uh you hear that both through the interview process and through the FJO program as to why did you choose Modesto and this type of thing does come up quite a bit and I expect it's going to come up a lot more in the future just because we're building up so much. Yeah, it makes sense. The more you expand these programs, the more opportunity there is, right, for someone that really had never considered a career in law enforcement going, you know, maybe that would be a good fit. And then, you know, and if it bears fruit, if they eventually do become a recruit and a and a an officer here, uh, that's a win-win. You want you want people who are applying here who are focused on our city, right, and our community, not because this is they they they threw something at the wall and this is where they landed. And sitting on the interviews, you can you can tell which is which because, you know, not to give anything away, but it's pretty well known. We always are going to ask them what they know about Modesto, Mesto Police Department. And you can tell those who say, "Well, I think I know the chief's name." And they always pronounce it wrong. And I think I know you have about somewhere between 100,000 and a million people. They don't know the community, right? But then you have these other people who come in and they say, "Hey, look, I went through this project. I went through the youth summit, you know, and that was one thing that I learned about this department, um, about this, you know, and why you want to work here." And that helps you recruit people and the right kind of people. Sure. Right. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And the only thing I'll add is it's not super uncommon whether it's a med and we haven't had school resource officers for a little bit. Um but we'll still get people though who will remember their school resource officer. Uh and I've had even recently people from other cities that that you know still in the county but they've gone to uh schools outside of the city uh but they currently have SRO's and we'll say hey you know I remember officer so and so and he kind of got me interested or

she got me kind of interested in in this profession and so I I think you know it's all about the wrong right people. I know people have their different opinions on on police officers and schools and things like that. It's got to be the right people. Um, but I think a lot of mentorship from people I see applying to be police officers. It's not uncommon for me to hear some type of interaction like that, which got them kind of initially interested in, hey, this might be a career I want to go into. I think that's great. Are there any other questions from anyone on the board? Okay, I did have one more. Um, I was curious, I mean, obviously there's manpower that needs to be had. um if there was a budget for each of these programs or if there was a just a aotment of money from your guys's budget for it. But then I also remember you talked about there could be grants from other organizations that you guys just kind of connect with. Um so how kind of do you guys keep track of the spending for this? Yeah, we could follow up at a different time. We we get asked on occasion what how much money we we allocate towards youth programs and things like that. Um I can I can do some followup Brian and I can to see what our kind of our last numbers are. What the difficult thing is is a lot of as I mentioned a lot of our um uh our budget is in in in manpower hours. Uh and so uh it's not certain amount we put x to this program. Some we do like 10k with the cop. Uh we help purchase the metals and different things like that. Um trying to think some other stuff. The grant, the Calbip grant, like I said, pays for Detective Dodge's position. Um, trying to think there's other things, but uh but yeah, I can try to give you uh some assessment of kind of the hard costs that we if that's what you're asking, hard costs for some of these programs. Uh but the but as you've seen, you know, we don't count every officer that shows up the coffee or the cops or the youth summit or things like that. We allow on

duty people to show up. Sometimes if needed, we'll pay people overtime to come in. Um, and so it's hard to really track those numbers, but uh, but we can we can at least try to get you hard costs on what we spend in in some of these programs. Is that what you're asking? Yeah. I mean, just for, you know, possible expansion to to other stuff and saying like, hey, this could probably double this budget here, you know, something like that. Yeah, for sure. All right. Um, seeing no other questions from the board, I will open it up to public comment. Are there anyone in the public that would like to comment on this or have any questions regarding this topic? All righty. Seeing none, I will be closing the public comment and then once again I'll just ask the board if there are any other further comments. Um seeing none, we will be moving on to item B. Um we will be revisiting the 2025 CPRB calendar topics. Scotty All right. Thank you very much. Um Scotty Douglas, deputy city manager. So on this item, I'd like to just um revisit um some comments that were made at a prior board meeting regarding some of the topics that have been um discussed and presented over the past year. And so I thought it would be helpful to provide a matrix. And so Sime's been kind enough to create this matrix for all of you. There's also copies of this in the lobby. Um, and if you'd like, if you can, you're welcome to take extra copies. If you know of folks that are interested in this type of material of material information, I encourage you to take that and let them know. Um, there's been uh requests for some presentations uh of, you know, staff and uh to the board recently and some of these presentations were uh made in this last year. And so that's the intent of this matrix is that you can actually see when those were um what the topics were and then the link directly

to the recording. So um that'll provide an opportunity for those folks that would like to more information they can um check that out themselves. All right. So moving on. Uh so this is a you know an item that is revisiting the calendar of topics for the remainder of this year. um as provided to you there's a there's a schedule here that um provides the information and currently we're in May. We are community engagement and activities presentation which was just um received from Lieutenant Kber and then revisiting the calendar topics and then we're discussing June through the end of the year. So in June it's uh it's been scheduled that uh Chief Gillespie will be providing a response uh to the OIR annual report that was covering January 2024 to December of 2024. And then uh July 2025 although there's a um a topic here of the CPRB annual report um it's recommended by staff that we take that and we place that in the future topics area. And then there is an item on this agenda tonight that will be appearing in all future agendas until this is delivered to the board for an update from that subcommittee. So once we re you receive an update from the subcommittee, we're ready to bring this. It's my recommendation, staff's recommendation that you actually place that on the next agenda or the the one following um when that's ready because last year we kept bringing it bringing it bringing it and and it had to be delayed and so we felt that uh it's probably the best to just put it in the parking lot for now and then when that subcommittee is ready um placing that on. The uh next item is there's there's some future topic options that you see at the bottom and uh it's recommended that um you know we've had some discussions internally regarding this and there are three topics there. Um I'd like to start with the bottom one first and that's presentation by the homeless

alliance. Um you know I think that there's a great opportunity to have a presentation by the homeless alliance. Um, and then following that presentation, the the next month, I think it'd be helpful for policing and homelessness to come because if there are any topics or questions or information that's requested um following the homeless alliance presentation, then the police department would have a month to be able to go back, research, provide that information the the following month. So, um, just for your consideration, presentation on the homeless alliance and then, uh, policing and homelessness the following month. And that could be an opportunity for um putting that on July and August. Um and then if the CPRB annual reports ready, we can always fit that in with one of these topics as well. And then um September uh I'm sorry, there's one other topic and that's the know your rights summit. And so when that's ready as well, I think that that can be placed um on in an appropriate month that's following. And then what that would do is um if that is ready like in July, August or September um to talk about and discuss um that would leave October, November, December, my recommendation is that if there are future topics you'd like to just put on for consideration to put them in the parking lot again and then for those last three months of the year, you have an opportunity to place more timely what those topics are that you'd like to cover. So, that's uh the end of my report and more than happy to answer any questions you might have. So, as of right now, you are recommending that we remove the CPRB annual report to the parking lot. Correct. until the subcommittee is ready to bring that then they can uh they can make that recommendation and I'm more than happy to defer to any of members of the subcommittee now to make comment on

that. I know. I mean, we met um yesterday and we have just a a draft right now, but we wanted to get some feedback from the board on any recommendations that they feel um they would like to submit for the annual report. So, if anyone on the board would like to reach out to either myself, um, Latricia, Nancy, Brad, um, and let us know anything that you guys have that comes to mind so that we can continue working on the report. I'm not 100% sure. Um, Nancy, how do you feel if we keep it in July or we move it down to August, if that would be sufficient enough time to finalize it? because I know that we still have to send it in to the city. The city has to review it. Have to go over a few things and then submit it and present it. Probably not. We're unmuting the microphone, but I'm not sure if I see one. Oh, sorry. Maybe I'm missing it. Okay. It's behind the sign here. That's right. Sorry. Apologize. Um, yes. So, we we don't think it there. Is that working? That white thing over there on the other side of your Oh, okay. Just to speak. Um, uh, I didn't see it. I've got to cover it up. Um it will will not will not be ready until I mean part of that is the process once we're done is submit you know we you know we get comments from OIR and

the I know the city attorney looks it over and so that's all not going to happen by July. It would be nice if we were done by the end of June. all of our work, but then there's that process to go through and of course it would be good to get board comments. I think we had it at we brought it as a draft to the board last time and there was discussion and then we incorporated that and then when we did the um the final we had we had that before the board too. So, I mean it's there is definitely a process that takes some time and I must say we got off to a little bit of a late start. Yeah. Okay. So, um then I is this what happened? Oh, I think we you had a question. Oh, okay. Request I guess comment request kind of bridging between the two um elements here. I felt last year when we were notified the draft was ready, there wasn't a lot of window or notification to digest it before our meeting. So along the line of moving to parking lot is sort of fluid. So I feel it would be helpful for me um if when you have your draft ready and you're wanting us to have opportunity to go through it and digest it. If maybe in a specific board meeting is when you say we're ready to share the draft or we'll be in the next two weeks. so that we know it's coming and can kind of plan to go through it and digest it to offer feedback at the following meeting. That

would move it from out of the parking lot right back into potentially the next month, but we'd have warning it's coming. Right now, we're trusting you guys are working on it. I can't really offer you feedback because I don't know what your conversations are. Yeah. Um, right now I think we're just asking more for any, you know, all recommendations that board members may have to send them into us so that we can then talk about them, discuss them, and then we'll obviously reach back out to the board members and continue the discussion. We just want to make sure we abide by the the Brown Act and and that all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so if if we were to have a rough draft at the end of June, is it something that we have to put on July's meeting for the board to discuss the rough draft? Well, the rough draft would come, you know, we would, you know, city staff would see the rough draft and like you like Nancy had indicated um that uh you know, there would be of your review process internally and then um you know, I would recommend based on the feedback that we just heard from board member Christensen that um probably August, I mean, if all things are, you know, unfolding the way that we're predicting right now and hoping for best case, August might be um a good place to put that and then it would provide enough time for the board members to receive it well in advance, you know, maybe three or so weeks beforehand. Give them time to to digest it and then as we did this last year, it comes to um you know, an open meeting. It's in draft form. You're discussing it and then when you're you finalize what your input is, then it's sent back. They finalize it and then they bring it to the next meeting for approval. I guess for clarification in what you just said, we can't actually have commentary or suggestions once we

read the draft until we're in open forum. Correct. Abs. Absolutely. And so that's what you know, we've consulted the city attorney on this um just for process. And so it's it's uh uh definitely something you want to take into consideration if if board members are providing input and all of that outside of the of the open meeting process that that would be could you know, be in more more than a quorum and then I'll defer also to the city attorney that's online as well um if they have any input, but we want to be cautious about that. Yeah, Scotty, you're good evening. Uh board member Scott is exactly right. I mean, theoretically, uh less than a quorum of you could talk about this outside of uh a meeting, but there's no real fair way to decide who who gets to do that. And so the, you know, the appropriate and the best way to handle that and make sure that we're complying with the Brown Act is to have those conversations during during a meeting. Thank you, Alex. And then just to clarify, they do have there is a subcommittee that is less of a quorum. Right. Exactly. So, but thank you. Thank you for that. Could I ask a question? Um, that's still on, right? Yeah, we hear you. Um, so if we said, "Okay, board members, if you look over your notes and send one one of us or the subcommittee um, your thoughts about what the board what you would be interested in seeing the board recommend to MPD. We can't do that. Is that how I understand it? So, Alex, if I could just kind of outline this a little bit. So, there's four members of the subcommittee that's essentially drafting the annual report. Correct. Correct. There's a

total of nine members of of the board. So, if that is sent out requesting input, then that one additional input is more than is a quorum. Correct. That that's correct. So any communication outside that subcommittee regarding the the content of the report or you know even questions about the report has to happen um in a notice meeting as part of the meeting because the Brown Act requires that a majority not discuss or in any way uh you know something within their jurisdiction outside of a noticed meeting. If you have if you heard the reports here from OIR and you have anything input that you'd like to give to this group that's that's different. We're not we're not it's out we're not discussing we don't know what the content is. But if I see see something in the report or in the report that OIR did that we think ought to be investigated, we would just say we think it ought to be investigated. We're not in in the open meeting. Is that what you're referring to? No. No. I mean it Brad just I read the report or I heard this thing and I thought these five things are what my topics would be and I you know just so that they that they have the the knowledge of what the members are looking for. I'll defer to the city. It's it may the answer might be the same but it's different than what I so you you can't discuss in any way the report or what might you know what might be included in the report or or recommendations rather anything related to it outside of a meeting. So if if you want to list those things in a

meeting when we're discussing the OIG report, that's um one thing, but you can't send those comments even if they're not direction or anything. That's still a a discussion about um but we in order to do that we would have to do that in an open meeting which could be done. Absolutely. as uh here anybody have any comments and questions about the OIR report and have that agendaized that that could be done. Yeah. Or in June if we had an agenda item that said for suggestions for annual report recommendations and it was a brief discussion that if somebody wanted to bring something, could we put that in as an agenda item? to to me it seems like it in part short circuits getting although this did not happen last year but getting more recommendations from board members when we're at sort of our final draft because then maybe that would have to be pulled again and run it by OIR and the city attorney So, it seems to me we don't want to have a discussion of the whole annual report, but if we could add to the June agenda and right now ask the board to board members to consider um their notes or and the various presentations throughout the year. um and maybe they like very strongly the board should recommend X and then throw that out in June and we can discuss it some more put it in the report and then if it doesn't fly to the city attorney or you

know whatever then maybe it wouldn't be in our final draft. I don't know that's my thought on it. Um, I think that would work for some of the board members, but for me, I'll rely on the draft to get my thoughts going. So, a suggestion and how you're thinking about it might be that when the subcommittee is ready, it's not so much of our final draft as it is our draft looking for feedback and whatever commentary comes is what you guys get to talk about and mole mullle about rather than we think we're done and not sure there's room for comments at that point. So maybe we get your slightly earlier version so that we can see where you're at and offer feedback. Well, then yeah, I guess then we might want to put it as an agenda item in July. If you think you're ready again, it could be a holding point and then in June you can say we're definitely sure we're ready to go in July. Yeah, that I mean that's that's good too. Sammy, can you fire up my mic? Thank you. Um, according to the schedule you've presented us with, Scotty, um, next month, um, we're going to receive the, uh, MPD response to the OIR report. Um, I'm assuming that that'll be from you, Chief Gillespie. and and so after his comments and his response to the OIR report that may stimulate more comments and questions and and ideas um suggestions that we might we might want to include in our annual report. Um, so I think you know, um, scheduling, if I understood you correctly, Nancy, you're talking about

scheduling this for discussion in July from the full board on the draft of um, your report. Is that the subcommittee's report? Is that what you were saying? Not just me. Everybody Yeah. I'm just trying to get She's having an open discussion right now. Well, it's not my report. No, I understand that. Huh. That's not I would just like to hear what Nico and Brad and Latricia think. I think that that Oh, is my thing on? Wait, hi. This one. They're They're all on. Oh, hello. Freeforall. I think that is what you were saying, Nancy, but you were saying it in June. Yeah, but we could do it for July. Yeah. Yes. I'm on board and then we would bring our draft in in August. You mean I think what I was suggesting is you on that timeline present an initial draft after we hear the chief's report in June or July. July. In July have an initial draft floated by us so we have opportunity to think about where you guys are at. offer thoughts if we have them and then you carry forward and go through your cycle whether that takes one or two more months then you say we're ready to present our final draft which is still considered draft but last opportunity to flush through it. I like that because part of the what I didn't understand about the first process was is that when is it going to go to for for city staff review and it should be after we've done everything not here we got a bunch more comments. Yeah. So that's I think it works good. All right. So I just want to make sure I I have an understanding of the

direction. So right now we'll just where it is right now. CPRB annual report. Um draft review. Is that what we should title that? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Draft review. Um and then uh in August we could plan for homeless alliance and then in September policing and homelessness. Does that sound fair? Couldn't we do the homeless alliance presentation and the discussion of the draft? I think so. Oh, how long is the presentation? Do we know? We don't know yet. I'm the chairman of that and I don't I I was thinking when I read this I thought I think I better talk to you and figure out what you want. My my guess it's you need to actually talk to the board member. It's probably a 20 minute 20 minute presentation talking about how the police department and other agencies are interacting with homelessness and how it relates to this board. It's not going to be the the whole spectrum of okay homelessness and housing and all that stuff, but it will be about as it reflects here and a lot's been done. It's and it has been touched upon um in previous meetings. So if once uh Chief Gillespie uh makes his presentation uh on the OIR annual report in July, then we would have the opportunity to discuss our draft version of our annual report and then would it then make sense to have the final presentation of the report, the final draft in August and then that way uh once we've approved that as a board. It would go to you uh the city manager's

office for your review and comment and um whatever the process is at that point. Does that make sense? Yeah, it seems it seems logical. Like I said, sometimes there's some delays. We experienced some of those last year and so as long as we can just make adjustments along the way if that's what's necessary. Does that make sense to the subcommittee? Yeah. So you would really put it off to August. Yeah. For the for for us vote on acceptance of the final report, final draft report that then would go to the city for their comment and review, I guess. Right. Oh yes, the city. But prior to that, the city staff would have input on the draft. Yeah. Between July and August, they'll have the input. And then if there's any changes that need to be made, we make them. And then August we come and we do the final. There you go. At the the meeting. Okay. So then we need a motion or just one more clarification. So um one more clarification. So Brad, I'm going ask you, do you think that it's fair to schedule Homeless Alliance August and then MPD's policing and homelessness in September? Do you think that'll provide you enough time? Sure. Or do you or is or were were you all talking about you want that to go in July? I have a question. I I well to answer let me just answer what I don't really it doesn't matter to me when it's done. Okay. We'll be we'll be ready. Okay. Uh policing and homelessness. I'm sorry board member Grant I can't hear you. Would um policing and homelessness would would it be a problem for it to all happen on the same day as homeless alliance and then on August we can kind of just have the the time to kind of go through the report so it doesn't seem like we're kind of like pressed for

time. Can I offer a thought on that? Go ahead. Uh my thought on that would be the homeless alliance is one perspective and view of the scenario and police involvement with it are completely different and I think it could get muddled in the same conversation. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I just wanted to hear from everybody else. That's why also at at some point after the the uh city has had the opportunity to review and comment on our report and then we bring it back here to all our full board and and then we vote on presenting it or to the public I guess would be the process. Then um would then not the chief want to respond to our report, our annual report similar to what he does with the OIR report. Last year he responded in December. Everyone budgeted. Yeah. Exactly. Uh yeah, I think that would I assume assumed that I would do what I did last year, which I came back and uh verbally presented my responses uh and be happy to do that again. Okay. Okay. I just want to catch up and make sure I got all of this right. [Music] Um, just for clarification sake, I know there was mentioned by Nancy about board suggestions for CPRB annual report where you guys wanted to have that as an item slated in June, which would be a preliminary discussion to the actual first draft that is slated for July. So, is that right? Actually, we're eliminating that. Okay. All right. So, we're just going for our first draft

in July and then in August we will aim for a final draft. Post that it goes through our process and then a presentation hopefully in September if all goes well. Correct. And then you guys requested a response by the chief. So, I'm going to say perhaps October. December, right? December last time. I think that was based off of timing. So, I'm just Yeah. So, is October going to work? And then going back to the presentation by homeless alliance, we're going to place that in July. Correct. Uh, a August, right? The homeless alliance. I thought it was July, too. The policing would be And policing would be August. Oh, that's what I heard. So, combined. I'm not. No, now I'm confused about the whole annual report thing. We're we're going to discuss a draft in July. And that's our only agenda item in July. and the presentation by homeless and I they'll both be in July and then we would schedule a meeting because then we'll have everybody's thoughts and then we would schedule it for adoption. Yeah. A final draft would be presented August September in August final um draft will be presented alongside uh a presentation for policing and homelessness. Okay. and then your presentation will occur in September because you'd get in input in July. So you'd have to incorporate that into your draft and then you would bring back a final draft just to make sure everyone's um points were taken and then

it would go through our us to kind of vet through and then you guys can bring it back in September. Right Scotty? Correct. Does that make sense? I will email a schedule of the calendar and we can always Yep. It's draft review, final draft review and then the final product final report. Correct. P presented. Correct. Welcome to city government. Okay. So, just to make sure, policing and homelessness in August, present the report in September, response in October. That's what we have so far. Yes. Okay. Yes. And we'll leave November and December open. And as we're going, if we need to schedule um another topic, then we have those slots that are open. Good. your rights whenever you um know your rights is still in the parking lot. Yeah. So yeah, that concludes our report and I think all the questions have been addressed. Okay. So then we move on to opening up to the public if the public has any comments about the calendar topics. Seeing none, I will close public comments and I'll ask the board for any further comments. Seeing none, we will move on to staff comments and reports. We just formally just motion to approve. Oh, the calendar. We have to do that. Okay. So, there was a motion to approve. Apologize. Second. All in favor? I I Could you go over it one more time? No. I was about to

say that was a good one. Okay. Um on to staff comments and reports. Is Stephen Colony? We have a update. Oh, he is here. Oh. Oh, ye of little faith, Chair Solorio. I have I have been paying very close attention and good evening everybody. Um it's nice to be with you again at least remotely and and I am going to limit my remarks to pretty much of a a brief hello this evening. I'm actually at you know more of a quiet part of my cycle uh having presented last month. Um and I want to thank everybody again for for their engagement with the report and the questions and comments last month. I I enjoyed the experience of presenting and interacting with you folks about that and I hope you will con uh continue to consider the report a a resource and I certainly heard the discussion about the next few months. I will look forward to Chief Gillespiey's response to the recommendations and and then we'll see what happens with the the CPB annual report. And the last thing I would say tonight is is um I am very happy to be a resource to the board during the drafting process uh in in any way that that makes sense. So for the subcommittee you're please feel free to get in touch with me at any point to to ask some questions or just kick around some ideas or whatever else. I I enjoyed the process last year and if I can be helpful I I certainly am very willing to. So, thank you. And and again, if anybody has any questions, please let me know. But otherwise, I I can call it good for tonight. Thank you, Stephen. Uh, does the board have any questions for Stephen? Right. Seeing none, I will be opening it up to the public. Is there

anyone in the public that has any questions or comments for Stephen? Seeing none, I will close public comments. Um, once again, board, are there any any last comments you'd like to make towards Stephen? All right. Uh, seeing none, we'll be moving on to board comments and reports. At this time, board members may make a brief announcement or report briefly on his or her activities. Um, a policy goal number eight, review use of force policy to minimize likelihood of death resulting from use of force. Is there any update? a week or so ago and we had some issues that we wanted to bring up to the board. And part of it is sort of interesting. works into the whole agenda discussion is that we've had things that we've talked about or we we as a board recommended last year and then they don't get but none of us are quite sure how to get those things on the agenda. Um so for example we we made a recommendation that for future board discussion about the kind of notification should be made to families uh if there's a a a death in the family relating to um an officer involved shooting and we wanted that for discussion and so we would like to put that I guess in the parking lot if we may. Is that how a subcommittee goes about asking for full board discussion? Yes. Yeah, I would say that if if there's something that your subcommittee would like to place on the agenda, then I

would just recommend that you coordinate that with staff, we'll um include the board the uh board chair and then that's how that can get uh scheduled. All right. Also in our meeting we discussed the uh March 17th um incident and we wondered whether and I don't know if we can just ask you right now it was an agenda so this is a report out from the subcommittee thing that we thought would be interesting to know is whether the department has any stop shooting protocols. Um and we did want to be clear that we are not questioning the validity or I'm not sure what whether it was good shooting or not. Um we just wondered in the because there were questions that came up in our discussions. Some have been raised by um community members to the subcommittee members and we we just um are interested in that issue. Um and we were also interested in whether um use of tasers um should be um more than encouraged but uh required to be looked at in the context of deescalation techniques. Um, and we were in connection with that, we were interested in the chief's response to um the OIR report about the use of tasers and how it went. Um, one thing that we we done sort of over a period of time, but we went over it again at our last meeting was look at the forward together recommendations on use of force and some changes in regulations that

were recommended and mo most of those I um we should say have or many of them incorporated even before the the the chief or MPD changed uh policy in response to the OIR report. So the these were changes some were made um even before we started meeting in um June of 23. Um, and so I guess what we will be doing is in terms of incorporating some of what we read in the report is putting that together and sending it to you, Scotty, if we want a full board discussion of what we might want to recommend. Yeah. One thing and and Alex stopped me if if if this isn't correct, but one thing I might suggest um is if you're looking for input on, you know, which several of those questions you talked about I would have answers to. Um it might be useful prior to coming forward with a recommendation or bringing it to the full board as a recommendation potentially to include in or in your annual report or whatnot. uh you might ask me or the appropriate resources MPD to come to a subcommittee meeting to answer those questions, be able to vet that out and then depending on you know the answers. You guys can still as a committee bring forward those answers or bring forward any recommendations along with obviously the response you got from us to the full board might be suggested might be a more streamlined approach rather than having to bring everything to the full agenda it bring it to the full thing because you guys can meet as a subcommittee as often as you want and we're happy to show up to those meetings and provide you any information that you feel is appropriate. Or would it would it perhaps be easier if I just

I sent you an email from CC to all of us of course so everybody knows um you know that the results of our discussion then you might be able to answer them very easily in response to that memo would Yeah. Yeah. And you're referring to the subcommittee, just the subcommittee, right? Because I can't go to the full board, but yes. Yeah. I would assume that seems, Alex, that seems like it would be okay, right? Yeah. Yeah. There's no problem with with you providing that information. One other thing that, um, in researching these issues, uh, we came across, actually Austin came across a research called the policecorecard.com. And I'm not we were wondering if OIR if if Stephen could perhaps give us um his opinion when if he's familiar with it of whether it's a credible s source or maybe even the chief can do that um at another meeting or we can talk offline. Okay. All right. Yeah. Okay. We just want to make we just want to know if it's a credible resource. I think that's where we're starting first. Just we want to know if it's a credible research. So those are some of the things that we discussed with that's kind of our update comments. Seems like um the most effective approach would be to invite a member of the police department to attend a subcommittee meeting and perhaps be able to answer these things and yeah then you know we can do with that what we will. So, thank you for that update. U moving on to policy goal number one, improve relations between the community and the department. Do we have an

update? Maybe, maybe not. There we go. um our subcommittee sort of shifted gears 3 to four months ago um on to focus on the know your rights conversation point that came up and we have been really struggling to get an alignment on meeting opportunities. So yesterday uh we did not have consensus enough to follow through with the conversation. So I suggested we sort of move it to the parking lot for a few months which staff had already done for us on paper today. So, I will just leave it there that we'd like a few months to regroup, get through the reporting season here, and then we will rep prioritize and move it off the parking lot somewhere around September, October, something like that. And probably look to do something in spring rather than fall. No, we started talking in spring about doing it in fall. So, now we'll start again in fall and look at spring. How's that? And that's all I have. Thank you. Yeah. No. Okay. Um, moving on. Policy goal number three, reduce youth arrest, particularly among Latino youth. Um, I do not have an update on that one. Brad, do you have anything? Nothing. Um, yeah, we don't have an update on that one. Um, I made a slight error on your script. There is a another one if you'd like to take a look at Austin Grant's um agenda. Item D. Your script doesn't have it. My apologies. Oh, is it the All right. And then moving on to item D, CPRB annual report 2025 subcommittee update. That was great. I think we beat that horse to death. I think you you probably covered that at this point, but that's that's on there as a placeholder. Also just to provide

an update from that subcommittee. Okay. Uh until it's completed. Okay. Yeah. I mean we do have a a first quick um draft. Um nothing concrete. There's no recommendations, anything like that just yet. We just have kind of a summary from the year 2024. What we went through, what we learned, topics that we talked about, things like that. Um so yeah again um hopefully next in July we can have a further discussion with everybody and get some some recommendations out of you guys and we'll have hopefully some recommendations to kind of piggy back off of as well. I new to you also and will you find that helpful? Yes. Yeah. Yes. All right. And moving on to agenda item seven, future agenda items. Uh, next month, MPD response to the OIR annual report of January 2024 through December 2024. And on on this part, do we ask the board for any comments or anything? No. Okay. It's just an up. It's just acknowledgement. Um, and we've already we've already discussed the um calendar schedule and the calendar. Okay. And then um in closing, this is our adjournment and our next meeting will be June 18th at 5:30 in the chamber here. Thank you all and enjoy your evening.