City Council - workshop

Welcome to the workshop meeting of the Municipal Council of Pasco. The council thanks you for your participation in the city administration. During workshop meetings, the council discusses various topics, but no formal decisions are made. Agenda pieces are available on the website of the municipality of Pasco, www.pasco-wa.gov. This meeting is also broadcast live on PSC TV channel 191 via Spectrum, Cable in Pasco and Richland and can be followed via the Facebook page, Mevrouw de secretaris, wilt u de presentielijst controleren? Aanwezig.

Canada present. Fikwerowa present. Hernandez.

Present.

Milne.

Present.

Grim.

I'm here and I just heard that Mr. Pwaals is possible online. I'm here.

Okay, perfect. There are seven present. We have a quorum.

Perfect. Thank you. Would everyone like to stand up for the flag? I swear allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with freedom and justice for all. Good, thank you all. Then now point four, monthly reports from the council members. Mr. Prowls. Yes, on Thursday I went to the meeting of the Pasco Prevention Network. Their mission is to serve our community and to inspire to promote healthy behavior and positive norms for our youth. It was a very nice meeting. There were a number of leaders from the school district present and they had a guest speaker, Marcus Pickett of the Drug Enforcement Administration, who spoke about things that are harmful to children, such as Kratom. It is an energy drink that is made into drinks in some cities. I was at the fried food festival. I actually wanted to call it the chili festival, but... I was at the fried food festival in the center of Pasco and I read...

proclamatie voor in het Spaans en burgemeester Graham las hem voor in het Engels en er waren best veel mensen. Het was erg leuk. Ik had nog andere activiteiten, maar ik ben teruggekomen. Ik heb wat vrienden ontmoet, veel mensen gezien die ik al een tijdje niet had gezien, dus het was erg leuk. Er waren dus best veel mensen, dus dat was geweldig.

Thank you, Mr. Figueroa. Yes, first of all, I'm happy to be back. I know it seems like a long time ago. But yes, I had the privilege of being there on Wednesday. I was invited by Coach Joe, who we know from the Big Brother Joe Foundation. He had spoken to us a few months ago. And they organized a workshop on citizenship for young people. I could be the part of it about local government and how. Belangrijk het is om onze jongeren te betrekken. Het was een goede workshop om met die studenten in contact te komen en hun vragen te beantwoorden. Ik kon ook informatie delen. Ze zijn altijd welkom op onze bijeenkomsten. Ik kon ook iets vertellen over mijn achtergrond, over hoe ik me niet kandidaat had gesteld voor een politieke functie. Het is gewoon zo gelopen. Het was fijn om mijn verhaal met hen te delen. It was a nice experience. I could also give information about the pre-registration for 16-plus people, so that they can register to vote. I know that citizen participation is important in our community and we want to stimulate that. EHM, so I know I was absent, but I still hoped to represent the city passport and to wear a chosen function. That's it then. Great, thank you. EHM, yes, I also had a busy week. Thursday was our board meeting with Ben Franklin. A rather calm agenda. We have discussed a number of KPIs and other things, including the number of passengers in the last quarter, including the summer. The number of passengers has increased significantly, also to the Ben Franklin Fair and Rodeo this year. I was also present with a number of you during the discussion about temporary property and the supply. And yes, council member Hernández, you have done a fantastic job by reading that proclamation in Spanish. And from what I hear from the staff, the numbers were indeed increased and the outcome was good. And Ron from the municipality, there were many people present who did everything, but Ron deserves a special compliment. He really did a lot of things very well. And then, hum, today, Monday, there was the Sunshine Lounge of the Chamber of Commerce of PASCO, where we heard the Vice President of Washington University speak. What I really appreciated was that one of their most important goals at this moment is to connect their students with the labor market, with places where people have experience and skills, and things that bring them in contact with the labor market. And of course I appreciate the work that Mrs. Whitney does at the PASCO school district in the same way. En nog iets waar ze het over hadden, iedereen, pak hier een tafeltje, um, weet je, al die regio's en zo. Jullie geven nu bachelor diploma's uit in drie jaar in plaats van vier, alleen maar om dat te bereiken. Dus ja, je voelt je nu een beetje bestolen. Ja. Precies, maar goed, nee, het was een geweldige bijeenkomst en er waren ook veel mensen aanwezig. Dus, hoe dan ook, ik waardeer ieders betrokkenheid bij de gemeenschap. Raadslid Perils, had u nog iets te melden, meneer? No, I also visited the Fiery Fiery Foods Festival. It was a fantastic event. Thanks to the police of Pasco and the employees of Parks and Rats for organizing such a great event. It's always nice to see people you haven't seen in a while, but they come from all three cities to the Fiery Foods Festival. That was really great. And I also joined the Pasco Boys Football Team on Friday and we won. That was also great. Okay, thank you, Mr. Bopasco. Let's move on to point 5. Discussion points with opportunity for public reactions. The audience may respond to each agenda point for a maximum of 2 minutes per person, with a total of 8 minutes per point. If both parties want to speak, they get as much speaking time, a maximum of 4 minutes per party. We are going to discuss a resolution, the approval of the Franklin County Solid Waste Management Plan. And before that, we will start tonight with you, Director Sarah. Good evening.

Good evening, mayor and council members. For this part, Adjunct Director Ames will give us an introduction and probably answer questions. Thank you. Good evening, mayor and council members. We currently have a speaker online. Wendy Mifflin works at Herrera and Herrera is selected as a consultant to set up this plan. This plan is the result of a few years of work by the SWAC. I am honored to be able to participate as an employee of the SWAC, the Solid Waste Advisory Committee. This plan has a process going on. Wendy will tell you about that process. U heeft dit eerder dit jaar al gezien, voordat we de wettelijke beoordeling doorliepen, excuseer me. Daarmee geef ik het woord graag aan Wendy. Dank u wel, goede avond allemaal. Mijn naam is Wendy Mifflin en ik ben projectmanager afvalbeheer bij Herrera Environmental Consultants. Ik geloof dat Shirley Jones van Franklin County in het publiek zit. Klopt dat, Shirley? Ja.

Hello Shirley, good evening, okay? Good.

So, I have a presentation, can you show it to me? Next slide, please. This is a comparable presentation as the one we presented to the council in January. I will take it briefly and then open it for comments from the council members. As we discussed in January, the legal provisions require that local authorities, including cities and the county, have an actual waste management plan and that these plans are reviewed and added every five years. So it's been a while since the Franklin County plan has been added. EHM, it is therefore very nice to be able to present a fully added plan to the municipal council so that they can ask questions and hopefully be able to approve. Franklin County and the City of Pasco have signed an interlocal agreement to work together on this waste management plan, and they have done so through your representation with Mary Hedder Ames in the Waste Management Advisory Committee. The Waste Management Advisory Committee was established by the Franklin County Board of County Commissioners and they have worked for about a year on this update of the Waste Management and Dangerous Waste Management Plan. And since my last conversation with you, this plan has gone further through the legal assessment procedures, including a SEPA process. The Washington State Department of Ecology, the Washington State Department of Agriculture and the Washington Utilities and Transportation Commission have all commented on the plan. You will find the reactions to their comments in the summary section of the plan. We have indeed received comments on the plan, not via SEPA, but via the regulatory authorities, and we have responded to them. Now we continue to work on the approval process by the participating cities and municipalities in Franklin County. Next slide, please. This is the development process of our waste management plan. De laatste keer dat ik voor de raad stond, waren we bij december 2025, toen de openbare inspraakperiode begon. De openbare inspraakperiode en vervolgens de wettelijke inspraak. En nu, hoera, zijn we bij het laatste blauwe puntje. Bovenaan, waar de county en de steden het plan goedkeuren. Zodra iedereen het plan heeft goedgekeurd, gaat het naar het department of a college voor definitieve goedkeuring. Next slide, please. As we discussed earlier, there is a mission in the plan and you can see it here. I'm not going to read it out loud, but it is an overarching mission that everyone agrees on. The participating municipalities and the inhabitants of the province and the cities will be provided with services for the collection, processing, recycling and removal of solid waste, with the goal of keeping the tariffs as low as possible and at the same time maintaining the public health, the quality of the environment and the natural resources in your province and the whole state. Next slide, please. We have four goals in the waste management plan, infrastructure and systems, economic sustainability, education and external influences. These goals were developed by the advisory committee for solid waste during the planning of the plan. We want to look at an infrastructure and systems that are flexible and adaptable, cost-effective and offer recycling opportunities to all residents of the province and cities. And we want to achieve economic stability with the plan. And that waste is managed as a whole source with a sustainable financing mechanism. That sustainable financing mechanism consists of the cost of demolition at your facilities and the rates for house-to-house collection. Keep this low and sustainable for the taxpayers. In addition, there is a goal for foreclosure and awareness. So that people and companies make responsible choices about what they consume, what they produce, waste and what they throw away. And finally, of course, external influences, such as programs for product responsibility and legislation that promote recycling and possibilities for waste separation within the province and the cities. Next slide, please. Some of the strategies that are emphasized in the plan and that are associated with the goals of the waste management plan are waste prevention, reduction and recycling. That these priorities remain for both the province and the cities, in cooperation with not only the municipal partners who participate in this plan, but also with the particular partners who participate in your system. One of the important participants in this system is BASEN Disposal in your province. It is therefore very important that everyone cooperates to make the system function well. The next strategy is emphasized, oops, back. It is about improving the system and the compliance with the regulations for recyclable waste, waste with an average risk and organic waste. These are all important raw materials that the state looks at with a free hand. Specific demand for how organic waste, recyclable waste and waste with an average risk should be processed throughout the state. It is therefore an important strategy for further development of the plan. And the last is the continuation of the correct collection, processing and removal of household waste. Okay, next slide. When I was here the last time, we were in the top phase, namely the assessment of the regulations and the reactions to them. It took a little longer than we thought to round off the assessment of the regulations and the reactions. The Ecology department had a number of notes that we had to work with, because you have a unique system in the county. In many districts, the waste disposal system is managed by the local government, but your system is unique because it is managed by a particular company, Basin Disposal. We have received many responses on the plan, based on the contract of the city of Pasco with Basin Disposal and the way the system works. It took a little longer to complete the regulation procedure and the comment period, but we succeeded with the Department of Ecology. As you can see, we are currently in the approval process of the plan by the city and the district. The district and I go to every city to sign a resolution in which the plan is approved. Then it goes to the district council, the Board of County Commissioners, for approval and then follows the definitive ecological assessment and approval. We are here today to answer all your questions and hopefully we will get approval from the city for approving the plan. So I'm open for questions.

Thank you, ma'am.

And I know Shirley is here too.

Yes, I wanted to speak to Mrs. Jones. Do you have anything else to add before we open the council for questions? Or would you please come forward, ma'am? Then everyone around the world can hear you.

I just want to say that I'm very impressed by Wendy. Ze werkte voorheen bij HDR. Ze heeft ongeveer 25 jaar ervaring. Dit is via de SWAC gegaan. We hebben elk hoofdstuk, elke regel doorgenomen en we hadden een goede vertegenwoordiging van bedrijven, het schooldistrict, de gemeente, iedereen die hier aan meedeed, vragen beantwoorden en dat soort dingen. Wendy and I worked together when we received notes from the ecology department. We went through two rounds. After we had received those notes, we took them through and evaluated them. We discussed with the Ministry of Ecology to answer any questions. As Wendy already said, simply because we have a unique situation with a private company that processes our waste. But I have a good feeling about it. I think it's a complete plan. En ik ben enthousiast om hiermee verder te gaan. Het heeft lang geduurd.

Heel erg bedankt. Ik waardeer het dat u hier vanavond bent en een aantal vragen kunt beantwoorden. En over dat particuliere bedrijf gesproken, ik zie dat meneer Thomassen hier is. Als u iets wilt zeggen voordat we de raad en de zaal openstellen voor vragen, zou dat gepaste nuttig zijn, meneer.

Ik zit ook in de SWAC. Ik ben zeer vereerd om daar deel van uit te maken. Een geweldige commissie. Jullie hebben een goed team. Ik ben er later bij gekomen. Ik wil Rebecca Frantzek echt even in het zonnetje zetten. Ze ging er vanaf het begin vol enthousiasme mee aan de slag. Wendy was hier een professional in en heeft in de loop der jaren al veel gemeenten en steden door dit proces heen geholpen. Het was dus erg prettig om met haar samen te werken. U heeft een goede commissie. We hebben hard samengewerkt. We zijn als commissie tot een akkoord gekomen, maar er werden lastige vragen gesteld. We hebben die beantwoord. Ik denk dat u alles heeft beantwoord wat beantwoord moest worden. Dus ik denk dat we een goed plan hebben om vanavond te presenteren. Oké, heel erg bedankt. Hartelijk dank voor uw aanwezigheid. Ook nog vragen en opmerkingen van de raad voor Wendy, mevrouw Jones en meneer Thompson. Het lijkt erop dat ze allemaal beschikbaar zijn. Zij beheren al het afval in de county. U heeft inmiddels natuurlijk al veel reacties van het publiek ontvangen en het publiek heeft u goed beoordeeld, wat we waarderen. We willen graag dat het publiek betrokken is bij hun eigen bestuur. Goed. Ik zie niets van de Raad. Zou iemand in de zaal iets over dit onderwerp willen zeggen? Vragen willen stellen? Eén keer. Twee keer, drie keer. En meneer Pereels, ik was vergeten dat u online was, terwijl er hier vlak naast me een lege plek is. Heeft u nog opmerkingen hierover, meneer?

Nee, het was goed. Het was een geweldig weekend om te lezen. Ik heb erg genoten van hoofdstuk drie over recycling en afvalvermindering, gezien het feit dat we... Thank you very much. Fantastic. Thank you very much, Mr. Pareils. Is there anyone online who has registered for an open interview this evening? No, that's fine. Okay, it looks like you're ready. Wendy, thank you very much for your presentation. Ms. Jones, Mr. Thompson, thank you very much. We'll continue. Letter B, presentation. Oh, oh, well done. Presentation of the annexation of Goodwin and this. Oh, thank you. For this, we give the floor to our Adjunct Director, Mr. Raymond. Good evening, sir.

Good evening. Thank you very much, Mayor and members of the Municipal Council. On May 22, 2026, Daisy Harris, on behalf of Larry and Melvina Goodwin, served as a representative to start an annexation procedure. The amount per sale is slightly more than 6 hectares, as you can see here on the map, and is within the boundaries of the Broadmoor Master Plant, between Harris Road and Highway 182, as indicated on the map. As we have discussed before, the annexation process consists of several formal steps from start to finish. The employees received and reviewed the intention statement. Step 1. Controlled. On July 20, the municipal council adopted resolution 47-165, which accepted the knowledge of plans. Step 2. Controlled. On July 21, the employees received a formal request letter from the municipality with 60% signatures. The tax inspector of the county has verified the availability of the represented signatures and the ownership of the annexation area to proceed. Step 3. Controlled. Uh, this brings us almost to the end of the process. On September 21, the municipal council will hold an open hearing to gather witnesses from the public and possibly make a definitive decision about the request for annexation. At the same time, the process is also underway to determine the destination plans for the parcel. We will come back to that in a moment at the next agenda item. As mentioned, the municipal council does not have to take any specific action tonight. Do you have any questions? Please ask them to me.

Do you have any questions or comments for Adjunct Director Raymond about this annexation? And for the good of order, Mr. Prowl has no comments on the following two points. With that we move on to the council. Does anyone in the council have a comment on this proposed annexation? Ik ga één keer. Twee keer. Niemand komt naar voren. Dank u wel, meneer Raymond. Dank u wel. We are now going back to ufor.c. Dit betreft het vaststellen van een verordening voor middelhoge dichtheidszone R3 voor de annexatie van Goodwin waar we het net over hadden, ZD 2026-001. Back to you, sir. Okay, thank you very much. In connection with the preliminary agenda on the annexation of Goedewijn, the process of decision-making is in full swing. For the Westies decision-making board, the Board of Directors continues a public hearing and makes an recommendation to the Municipal Council. If the municipal council wishes to, they can demand a full public hearing if they believe that research and control are justified. Otherwise, the council simply takes the testimonies into consideration that were received during the hearing of the officials and makes a definitive decision, but only after the annexation order has been adopted. Here is a map of the relevant parcel on the future destination map and as you can see, it is classified as medium-high density housing. And here is the relevant parcel as it would be designated as R3. As you can see, there are borderline R3 parcels on the west side. On the other side of the highway, to the south of it, there are 12 Indian rupees. And the parcel to the north of Harris Road is the RT-Woon area in transition zone. In fact, this is currently a preliminary determination. Here is the basic planning of the determination plan process and where we are now. The expected outcome is that the decision-making order will be on the same agenda as the annexation. The employees try to promote this approach instead of a more fragmented, linear approach. If this process works well, it's a bit, well, difficult to time everything perfectly. It saves a lot of time for the applicant and for the employees. So... If you have any questions, I will be happy to answer them. Thank you, Mr. Amon. Questions, comments from the council? Regarding this decision-making? I don't see any. I'm going to the council. Does anyone in the council want to speak about the determination of the decision-making for this annexation? Ik zie niemand zich melden. Ik ga 1, 2, 3 keer. Dank u wel, meneer Raymond. We gaan weer bij u terugkomen voor .d, een verordening voor essentiële openbare voorzieningen, veilige gemeenschapsopvang. en een update van de woningcode voor minder restrictieve alternatieven. Terug naar u, meneer. Ik introduceer advocaat Pollem. Drew Pollem zal dit punt als eerste presenteren. Dank u wel, meneer. Ja, ik zag hem online. Daar is hij. Goedenavond, meneer Pollem. Goedenavond, burgemeester. Goedenavond, raadsleden. Ik breng dit weer onder uw aandacht. Hopelijk zijn we inmiddels allemaal bekend met de discussies die we de afgelopen maanden hebben gevoerd over uw EPF, LRA, STF-verordening. Even ter herinnering, u heeft uw moratorium in juli verlengd tot het einde van dit jaar. The moratorium on EPFs in general, including the least restrictive alternative and safe community support facilities, will last until December 31, 2026. The reason for this is that this regulation in fact together with the general planning and development provisions is adopted. It is therefore in fact one package, given that quite a bit of work is being done on that side of parliament. A few things have changed and you will see that in the agenda package. I would like to draw everyone's attention to Address 2. Probably the biggest change since the last time we talked about this is the map. This map gives an indication of the scale on which we are now regarding the potential locations if we limit the least restrictive alternatives and safe community access facilities to the industrial zones north of the I-182. And maybe you can give a few explanations below. All those different dots. In the smaller areas below, which do not necessarily have a halo, still represent potential risk activities. For example, think of schools and churches that have been identified in earlier versions of this map. The reason why they don't have a halo is because the buffer zone of 1000 square feet that the municipality manages for the location and the separation of these locations is not limited to the industrial zones. Above you can see a number of facilities with potential risk activities that may come into contact with the industrial zones north of the I8182 or with it, and you can see that there is some overlap. They do exclude those areas as potential locations for one of these facilities, but the most important point is, as I already mentioned, that there is a lot of gray space here and that there are a lot of areas and percels that are possible in the future for the establishment of one of these facilities. That is important when we think about the threshold value, namely. Can we limit these facilities to the point where it becomes impractical, unlikely? And that brings us back to the current situation and where we are hoping to get guidelines from the council. What the employees have done is map out a number of remaining activities. From the council, I can tell you now, there are a few legal issues that we are investigating and about which the council will be informed, whether during a decided meeting, whether in a memo from the city attorney. So that's something to keep in mind, or something that will happen. First of all, we want to make sure that we give definitions of EPFs, LRAs, SETFs and risk potential activities. There has been discussion and feedback from business life that our current definition of the least restrictive alternative must be further worked out. This is simply because the term, least restrictive alternative, falls outside the framework of RCW 71.09 for sexually violent perpetrators. This term can be applied to other types of housing, which this discussion has nothing to do with. So there are questions and comments about whether we should further work out the definition. We work on this internally with the employees. The other open questions concern the proposed separation and viewing standards. The current design you have for you already contains a buffer zone of 1000 square meters between these facilities and other potential risk activities. What is not really in it is whether we need a kind of separation or separation between these facilities. Do we have to apply a kind of separation or, excuse me, separation? This is sometimes necessary with other kinds of facilities. We would like to ask the Council whether additional restrictions can be introduced, for example to prevent two of these facilities from being directly next to each other. Would you like to place them together? and that two or three facilities will come next to each other. This is the general level of the desired regulation, as well as possible complementary considerations with regard to public safety or operational aspects. This has been an important topic of discussion in recent months. These are the things we, as you may remember, discuss, we want to demand that there are, especially for private providers, electrical installations or security systems of commercial quality, which otherwise would be required for secure community facilities. We know that these matters are required for secure community facilities, because the state legislation prescribes this. To come back to the question of how much we want to do in terms of regulation within the provisions themselves, to put it simply, it does not only come down to how much more we want to regulate these locations, but also to the realization that everything we add to this is an extra requirement that the city not only has to impose on these individual providers, but in theory also has to maintain. So there is a maintenance aspect that we also have to consider. You will see that the approval of the hearing aids and of these facilities is done by a hearing aid examiner. This is because the entire grant procedure is based on the procedure for a special use permit, which is completely processed by a hearing aid by the hearing aid functionaries. As it stands now, the resident officer has the opportunity to choose the facility as it is, which means that no additional conditions have to be set in addition to what the state, or better said the municipality, has already requested. The resident officer can then also add additional conditions to reduce other risks. For example, we may have to meet additional safety measures that otherwise would not be necessary due to the Location of the potential facility, that is something that the resident officer can do. Finally, the resident officer also has the opportunity to submit the request. And if you look at the request, you see that there is, as I have explained to the staff, a kind of emergency exit. In essence, it is intended to circumvent the fundamental problem, or rather the limitation within the city, namely that through regulation the construction of an essential public provision cannot be avoided everywhere in the city. What happens if the city finds itself in a situation in which it can not only not approve this provision, but in no other way, for example because there is no alternative location available? The emergency procedure makes the resident functionaries able to comply with the construction of the provision, but with the maximum possible mitigating conditions. Hopefully this is an extreme scenario that we will never get to experience, certainly given the number of provisions that the region will probably get in total. Realistically, based on how the state points out potential locations or tries to identify them. But it is something to keep in mind and something we can talk about. And I will now tell you that when the city received feedback from the Ministry of Trade, their most important point of criticism was the use of the word, refuse, in these requests. So part of this is also an attempt to understand and address the concerns of the Ministry of Trade. And finally, whether we want more information or adjustments in advance to the formal hearings on the approval. we have to add additional public hearing seats. The request for the permit According to the guidelines for special use permits, for example, when an application is submitted for a location, everyone within a radius of, I believe, 150 meters, 500 feet, should be raised with the contribution, there is an application for a special use permit submitted for the construction of a dance hall or another facility here. We are holding a public hearing on this day. You, the audience, have the right to make a verbal or written comment. You can do that in this way. So, that is already built into the process for an EPF permit request, including an LRA or an SCTF request. The question the municipality and its employees want to know is whether we should change or add something to the procedure, especially when it comes to public participation and public hearings. I also want to tell you that the municipality and its employees are busy preparing everything for the Planning Commission. We will of course Updates apply to the Ministry of Trade. That is legally mandatory. As soon as the date of December 31 comes closer, we have a number of alternatives. We could go through, for example, with the order as it is now set up. Our first recommendation is to give guidelines and hopefully organize a final round before we the Planning Commission. You can ask the personnel to review or expand the proposed location and mitigation standards, as I have discussed. You can ask the personnel to provide additional public information. This includes the public information that took place in the spring and summer, with both the workshops and the public hearings that we have held so far. And finally, you can ask the personnel to evaluate alternative approaches to the EPF and LRA regulations that are in accordance with the state legislation. U zou ons dus kunnen vragen om helemaal opnieuw te beginnen als u dat wilt. Maar daarmee stop ik met mijn uitleg en sta ik open voor vragen van de Raad. Dank u wel, meneer Pollan. Vragen en opmerkingen van de Raad. We beginnen met meneer Katten. Dank u voor uw werk hieraan. U noemde locatieverordeningen. Ik denk dat een voorbeeld dat u gaf, de mogelijke beperking van de mogelijkheid is dat twee huizen naast elkaar staan. What are more examples of things we could consider in those regulations? As far as the location and the differences are concerned, you know, usually you have, to put it simply, all the buffers adjusted and the location determined by the industrial site. We have Buffers created between these facilities and potential risk activities. The only thing you can do now and what you haven't done yet is what I just described. There is also the possibility to add extra potential risk activities. That was already part of the conversation in this process and as I explained it, you increase the number as you add more potential risk activities. What I cannot guarantee at this moment is that if we continue to add more potential risk activities that require buffers, we will ultimately not cross the border. But at this moment, these are probably the only things that the municipal council has not yet asked the staff to include in this. So, you come to the border, the last red line, do you mean that the entire plan is rejected?

Yes, it is declared invalid, or something like that.

EHM, if we make an order that states that houses should not be next to each other, EHM, does that make us, even if it is accepted and the document is accepted, in a situation where an examiner could say, well, I know you didn't know there wasn't enough room for this house, so I'll just put it down where I want it.

Potential well. But I see, for example, a scenario for me in which a resident officer evaluates an application and the locations where this application or this facility can come from are half a mile apart instead of a mile. And as the regulation now states, the resident officer could decide, I agree to this because there is no other way to access these facilities in the city. We have to stop them. We can't just completely ban them. Apostrophe. But then I will take successive limiting measures to limit the possible damage as much as possible. It's up to us. That the limitations we impose do not limit the number.

Huisen dat in deze gemeenschap komt, want dan zouden ze terecht kunnen komen waar we ze niet willen hebben. Aanhalingsteken. Dat klopt, dat is een ja, dat is juist. Oké, dank u wel. Dank u. Zijn er nog andere raadsleden? Vragen? Opmerkingen? Mr. Campos, EHM, I appreciated the presentation and the recording of a number of things that we specifically discussed with regard to the plan for the safety of the community. I think it's good that you spoke to both police chiefs and that you made sure that there is a plan in case something happens. EHM, with the possible process to create more involvement of the community, for example by visiting a location in the area and holding a hearing session, could we expand the area to involve more people? That is something we can investigate. I want to be sure that I fully understand it and I look at Ms. Raymond on the screen to be sure that I fully understand the difference between 500 feet and 1000 feet in the report radius, but that could be an option. Yes, I would find it interesting if it would only be 500 feet to increase that. Om het te verhogen van 1000 naar 2500 voet, is dat wat u bedoelt? Ja, wat is het? Wat is het? Ja, ik denk dat we begonnen zijn bij 500 naar 750 gegaan, en toen naar 1000. En ik hoor u, ik begrijp u, ja. De buffer is momenteel 1000 voet. Okay.

Yes, that's what I'm talking about. Yes, that's also what I was talking about. I want it to get bigger. 2000.

I think we can certainly tackle that. I will discuss it with the employees and see what we can do about it. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Pareils. I appreciate that. Yes, I have a few questions and I will answer them as they are in the personnel report. First, the proposed separation and the corresponding standards. No, I don't want to see them next to each other. I don't want a separate line for sex dealers, say. I think we have to keep them separated in one way or another. Secondly, as far as the desired level of regulation is concerned, I think that the regulation, based on the current version that I read and looked at last weekend, will be around. Third, comprehensive considerations related to public safety or business management. I would like to know what a safety plan looks like. More details. For example, we should give them a matrix with items that should be part of the safety plan. Think of emergency protocols, security and personnel occupation, incident reportage, procedures for guiding people, coordination with the police, coordination with the fire department and ambulance, and, where legally permissible, informing the community. Those were just a few things that I thought could be included in a security plan, because we are not really specific. And I don't know if we just don't want to be too specific, but I would like to know what a security plan looks like as an extra measure for public safety. And finally, I think that the proposed procedure for the hearing aid by the examiner is fine. But I did some research into how municipalities can or should handle the procedures of hearing aids by examiners. And I thought, when I looked at the code, that there are options where the hearing aid examiner can make an recommendation. They can make a decision that can be signed by the municipal council or they can make the final decision. And often the executive examiner makes the final decision about the things he sees. I think I would like to see that the municipal council makes the final decision on the basis of his recommendation. So that would be my proposed change of the process. And based on the statutes I have read, it seems to me within our capacity to make that happen. Maybe we can all think about it and see if we want to make a part of that process, but that would be my suggestion. And as far as the public information is concerned, I think we have done enough. Many people in the council have said that they have been to meetings where only two people were present. I think many people know that this is going on. So I think that if we publish the current version of what we want to implement, put it on Facebook, on our website, the website of the municipality of Pasco, and maybe post messages on Facebook and Nextdoor, and then see if we can get reactions that way. We can then watch those reactions. I think that's probably the best step forward, given the time we have until the end of the year. So those are my suggestions and remarks. U hebt ze goed verwoord, meneer Pulle. Het klinkt alsof we nog wat meer onderzoek moeten doen en ik kijk ernaar uit om te horen wat jullie te zeggen hebben in besloten zitting, maar dat zijn mijn aanbevelingen. Mijn belangrijkste aanbeveling is dat de gemeenteraad deelneemt aan het hoorzittingsproces en de uiteindelijke beslissing neemt. Dank u wel. Dank u, raadslid Perellies. Meneer Pollan, kunnen wij ons in dat proces mengen om die uiteindelijke beslissing te nemen? That is possible, but if you do that, I would like to remind the council that you turn off your legislative pet and put your quasi-legal pet on. And so I say that because it is an important reminder that the evaluation that is in front of you will meet this specific permission request. My question is, and this is partly aimed at member of parliament Parils. What I understood from you, member of parliament, was essentially a transformation of the listening functionaries. The listening functionaries remain a part of the process, but give an order that then goes to the council. The council then makes the final decision and that decision can be that the order of the listening functionaries is taken over or that something completely different is done. Did I understand your point well? That's right. It would look a bit like how we deal with reinstatement. You know, it goes first to the hearing functionaries, then it eventually comes to us, and then we approve it well, and then we take our quasi-legal role on us, we are approved and all that kind of stuff. People have the opportunity to put us out of the meeting if we, for example, have one-sided communication. So yes, I think this is a very important subject, and I think there are people who would like to see their city representatives make these kinds of decisions, and who also want to know that we are aware of this situation if we want one of these locations here in Pasco. So I have the feeling that it is a form of responsibility that the council must impose, almost comparable to a decision-making plan change. That was my vision. Okay, thank you, Mr. Perils. E.H.M., members of parliament, do we agree with the recommendation of Mr. Perils? Are there enough of us who agree with this process? Or does anyone want to ask follow-up questions to Mr. Pollem, or maybe even to Mr. Perils, to deepen his thoughts a little further? Mr. Figueroa. No, I think Mr. Pollem has summarized it very well. Perfect, thank you. No, I only have a few remarks, of which I think we have all expressed our concerns about this topic. And if we want to get involved in this process, then I want to take into account how much tension we want to keep on this rope before it breaks. And that we do not want to do the work we have done completely. And I think we have certainly indicated where we stand and where I stand, and I feel that you recognize that. So we're going to mix ourselves in the process with understanding of the quasi-legal issue of trying to be party. Because that's a difficult one, right? I think it evokes a lot of emotions. So EHM understand that if we want to do that, we have to stick to the procedures that belong to it. And make sure to get back to the other subject we've talked about before, right? Sometimes we just have to meet the requirements. And it's hard for us to say, well, they did it. Maar zelfs als het tegen al mijn gevoelens, waarden en waar ik voor sta ingaat. Maar als dat is wat we willen doen. En ten eerste voor onszelf. Waar ik oké mee ben. EHM. Dan moeten we dat gewoon begrijpen. Want, weet je, dit touw staat onder grote spanning. Dus wat zal de uiteindelijke trekkracht zijn die het breekt. Dus laten we daar rekening mee houden bij dit onderwerp. Dat, weet je, veel emoties oproept bij iedereen. Dus het is belangrijk dat we daar rekening mee houden. Dank je wel. Dat waardeer ik. Zeker onderdeel van de discussie. Voordat we naar u toe gaan, meneer Kada. Mr. Palm. How heavy would you make this weigh in the overall process, in the sense of trying to legitimize or disqualify the process by mixing us in? Do you think this will cause a lot of alarm bells to ring in the state? I saw you nod, or do you think it won't have such a big effect, sir? I don't think it will have such a big effect. Municipal councils must, as council member Proulx already said, continuously mix in grant requests and re-determination requests. The big question that will always be asked is whether the hearing is fair. You know, every time we have such a re-determination, myself or Daniel, we must comply with the doctrine of the semblance of honesty. You have to have the appearance of honesty, in shape, in content and in appearance, right? It is a matter of perception, excuse me. And I also want to point out that if someone would make a complaint, for example a grant applicant who has passed the procedure and then has been dismissed, let's say that that applicant has been dismissed. And then they say, you know what, I think the municipal council has really done me wrong here. I don't think they followed the law and I think they should do that. I think they just said no because they didn't want to approve the project. They have a story to tell, namely through the law on spatial order. They can always fight that at the court. And that is a completely different matter than the question of someone. De verordening gaat aanvechten en gaat bepalen of deze wel geldig is. Ik denk niet dat de kans dat er staat naar de gemeente komt omdat jullie de uiteindelijke administratieve besluitvormers zijn heel erg klein is. Okay, thank you, and I appreciate that. I think that was part of the remark of Mr. Figueiroa, but also the cumulative aspect of constantly stacking up problems. Mr. Kota, what exactly is the advantage of placing ourselves in this position? It sounds as if we, if we do this, just have to approve it. Someone who wants to realize LRA housing must comply with the policy we set. It's a bit like when someone comes and says, this is the destination plan order we want to set up. As long as it fits within the master plan and the destination plan and falls within the legal framework, we actually have to say yes. As long as it meets those rules, we don't have to. So it seemed that the rules for us and every other judge would be the same. Is there actually an advantage to having the last word? As far as the legal part of your question is concerned, member of parliament, you are absolutely 100% right and you are completely right when you state that the project fully complies with the planning plan and the construction regulations. I cannot say on the other side of the matter whether it is a benefit or a disadvantage. I think that this is a policy issue that the council must consider. and whether the council thinks it is important to make the final decisions as a council body about a project in which everyone in the room agrees that it will always go hand in hand with strong emotions. It will always be an exciting hearing because it is such an emotionally charged subject. Thank you. Okay, we still have to solve this. Mr. Perrault says that he also sees the idea of moving on. Mr. Kada, I think that it can possibly bring more accountability with it. So I am neutral against it. I think I prefer to give up. Thank you. Mr. Hernandez, do you want to give your opinion?

What did I want to say again? What does the city staff think of this 13 hours?

Mr. Mayor, members of the council. It is certainly an option, but I think you have already discussed the possible risks and as the city attorney already indicated, these are matters that are emotionally loaded. I think the more steps you add to the process, the greater the chance of problems later, right? EHM, it can work in your advantage, but also in your disadvantage. So, for example, if the hearing committee recommends official approval and it comes to you as you have already discussed, if it meets all requirements, then you place yourself in a position in which you have a hall full of angry citizens who want you to reject it, and you can't do that. And then we hear the remark that we have heard more often, our hands are tied, and I have rarely experienced that it was really understood by the people in the hall. So you bring yourself into that situation. On the other hand, if the Board of Directors recommends official approval and the City Council decides for whatever reason, then I think we expose ourselves to a possible legal battle. U kunt die strijd winnen of verliezen, dat weet ik niet, maar u opent die mogelijkheid. En ik weet niet welke juridische bescherming er is met betrekking tot het toestaan dat de hoorzitting functionaris, die een soort juridische functie uitoefent, die beslissing neemt, in tegenstelling tot de gemeenteraad. Die kan worden gezien als het nemen van een politieke beslissing in plaats van een juridische beslissing. So, yes, as council member Proulx already stated and as the lawyer confirmed, you can, that is your right if you want to preserve that, that is possible, but you may bring yourself into very difficult situations later. Thank you, Mr. Kotta. So, if we do not place ourselves in this position of approval and we just let the hearing judge decide whether this goes on or not, whether the house goes on or not. EHM, let's say that he makes a decision that in our opinion is not in accordance with the policy that we have established. What can we do then? What would we do if there was possibly talk of, well, yes, that he has denied this and it has been passed on anyway? What do we do then? Dick. Mr. Mayor, council member, I would probably advise the city attorney regarding, as he said earlier, there is a professional procedure, and I think that also applies to the mayor. So I think that if the mayor makes a decision that we don't like, unless the city attorney says otherwise, the city in higher office can go to the next court. And that's right. It doesn't often happen that a city in higher office goes against the decision of its own mayor. In 99.8% of the cases when we appear before the judge in a case about a decision-making plan, we defend a decision by the board of directors, officials or employees, or whoever is the highest administrative authority that makes the decision. But it is absolutely possible that we will go into such a scenario in a higher profession. No. Thank you, thank you. And I think I want to give my opinion for a moment. Council member Perales, I know you're listening. I really appreciate everything we can do to make this work, to make it more difficult for people who want to submit an application, to make sure that they may not even consider it. It is worth it, but at the same time I also see a number of advantages. And I think I want to make another point, and I think Council member Perales, the most important point is that the public expects us to be in some of those positions. But I think, and that has already come to light, that it is sensible to allow a third party to make the legal interpretation, as far as it meets our code and the like, in order to protect us from further interference in the future, if someone finds that we were party in our decision or something like that. I think I want to say that I prefer to tackle a number of these other issues, because I think we would probably get more out of it. Mr. Girl. Yes, to add to that, I think that is my position at the moment. I think that our role in this matter is to make it as difficult as possible, right? E.H.M. ensure that our municipal code contains everything we want by listening to our voters and the like. but also understand where our line stops and we try to overrule anything else. So I think we are participating in that, the community sees us. They understand our opinions, our feelings and what we stand for. But in the end, if we do our job well, the executive officer has what he needs, the contours, to make sure that, if it is approved, it meets what we have asked for. So again, we all have our roles and responsibilities and we as elected officials must understand that this is now the way in which our government works, the power balance, the separation of powers and the checks and balances. I think that, apart from the image that I can sketch of the fact that we have the last word, I do not see how it will benefit us in that regard. So I think it's fine not to make any part of that process in the final decision, because we are now doing our job, and that has been an extensive job, and we have added a lot of things to it, and I think they appreciate everyone's contribution. EHM is taking care of this, and I think we have done it quite well, looking at the map. EHM, it is very selective which spaces have been added, given the other limitations we have laid out. So those are my feelings and my opinions about this. Okay, thank you. EHM, I'll be right back, Mr. Pro-Ils. Did anyone else want to say anything about this specific point? And then I'll take the five points with you quickly to see if we can come to a consensus. EHM, Mr. Pro-Ils, did you want to go into this specifically again? Yes, no, no, I really appreciate the conversation. It's really, I mean, this is nothing but a resettlement for me or something. I mean, the recommendation comes to the municipal council. We can approve it, reject it or change it under conditions. So in essence it is just an extra layer of responsibility for me. We can make some extra conditions if there is something in an application that we do not like. So I think we can play a role in that. I have not tried to mix ourselves into it through a legal way. This clearly comes from the law that I have reviewed and that offers options. So, I mean, this is nothing new to me, I think. But I don't understand the arrogance of people to make the final decision. So I just wanted to make some suggestions and hopefully it will stay with you, but there are seven committees, seven people in a committee, so no one wants that. That's fine, but I'm sure that if it ever comes into force in the city of Pasco, we will judge it with the necessary force. So I want to add an extra element to it, but it sounds like it has been approved. Out. So I appreciate the conversation. Thank you. Okay, thank you. We're going to take the rest of these two points, because I think there is consensus on some points. And before we do that, I want to go back to what is above here, for the audience to watch, because we use a lot of abbreviations that I have come across in the government. I just want to make it very clear that everyone knows what we're talking about, because this is a super important subject. The big overlapping term here is what the state calls essential public facilities, including these secure community transit facilities and less restrictive alternative housing solutions. And this is in fact where the state of Washington, via the Department of Corrections and with the help of the Growth Management Act, imposes that sexual violence delinquents are placed in the community as a way to reintegrate them into society and into the life that we all enjoy, whatever the goal may be. As said before, the state will not allow us to forbid them all, but we can make it very difficult, because again, these are people who have committed sexual abuse in a violent way and they are predators who often see the most vulnerable among us as prey. So this whole conversation, the whole moratorium, is all about doing everything to protect our community. Let's take a quick look at this. I've even made some notes here. Pre-defined distance and façade standards. It sounds like I've heard at least a few people talk about it. I would also be a representative of at least 300 meters between these houses. I believe it was like that, Mr. Perils, so that we don't get a row of these houses anywhere. Is there any consensus on that direction? I would like to know what the number of houses is that we can actually afford if we set a limit of 300 meters. And is it a realistic number that we can actually fill and where we can no longer build houses? Space? I hope not. EHM? I would be for the buffer zone of 300 meters if I didn't think we would get that problem. So how likely is that? Do you mean that if we place one in the gray area on that map and then there must be another one at a distance of 300 meters? How many will fit in that area? Before we end up in a situation where someone says, well, you have imposed too many restrictions. Now I'm going to build this house where I want it. Address, address, Mr. Mayor. Well, if I think about it. I unfortunately have no answer to that. Simply because there is and this is perhaps not. Good to see on this map a gray area is that we see where these places are located. It is a fairly large area for the city. These are large, not marked areas. And another problem we run into is that we currently do not have any of these facilities within the city. We do not have a good reference point to say, okay, we now have one, so now we can say that these areas do not. available. What I want to say again, and, and, and, and, in a hypothetical situation in which we end up. And we cannot establish this facility on the basis of all the criteria that we have set, I do not see this as an excuse for me in a scenario as, well, we cannot establish it anywhere within the industrial area, so I am now going to place it in a residential area on the other side of the city. The way the code is written is to say that the maximum possible range, and if the maximum possible range of the possible mitigation means that we can meet all other specifications or conditions that we have set differently, such as a buffer zone of 1000 feet, industrial zone, and so on, then we have to place this within half a mile of another facility that is still in the industrial zone. It will still be in this part of the city. Ik weet niet of dat de vraag of de analyse verandert, raadslid, maar dat is uw mening. Oké, dank u wel.

Dank u wel. Meneer Palman, ik denk dat een van de overkoepelende vragen, en misschien kunt u ons helpen om hier aan het einde over na te denken, aansluit bij de opmerkingen van meneer Fikwerowa eerder en wat meneer Kot heeft gezegd. Ik wil hier zoveel mogelijk van meenemen, en zelfs meneer Pereuls noemde dat ook, en ik denk dat ik geen tijd wil verspillen. Hoe kan ik dat het beste verwoorden? Aanhalingsteken, ik wil geen verordeningen verspillen die de indruk wekken dat er hardhandig wordt opgetreden, terwijl ze in werkelijkheid niet de beste manier zijn om onze gemeenschap te beschermen en het meeste rendement te behalen. Dus EHM, ik denk dat meneer Perel zo'n goed punt heeft. We willen niet een heleboel van deze pandepal naast elkaar hebben en het een rij voor seksuele roofdieren noemen of zoiets. Maar als we veel meer rendement kunnen behalen door mensen te ontmoedigen of er gewoon voor te zorgen dat ze hier niet meer willen komen, door middel van andere maatregelen, dan zou ik liever die dingen doen. Mr. Kota?

If they are next to each other, they are at least not next to someone else. Yes, I mean, is it really so bad that they are in one place? No, I wouldn't have a problem with that.

Thank you. Okay, EHM, what do you think of 300 meters of distance from each other? Is that good, Mr. Fikwerowa?

Well, I also look at it from a different perspective. If they are 300 meters apart, you have to have several plans, right? While if they are right next to each other, you have a more concrete way to keep an eye on different situations and that makes it easier to manage crisis management and plans. Imagine you have 300 meters here and there and then you have, in the worst case, two different locations to keep an eye on. That makes it just more difficult to manage the security, I think. While they are close to each other here, they could have that. So that's how I think about it and I share the opinion of the council members on that level. I don't really see a problem in them standing next to each other instead of separating them.

Okay, thank you. Does anyone else want to discuss this specific part of this guideline? Only point 1, for what it's worth. But well, that's fine. This is extremely important. Here we are for. Yes, I stay all night to make sure we do this right. Does anyone have anything else to add? We're a little divided by 2 against 1. Oh, Mr. Hernandez, if you want to be so friendly. 1000 feet is fine.

So you would agree with a buffer of 1,000 feet in between? Okay, so we're two against two. Mr. Mayor, not that I count votes, Mr. Paul. I'm just trying to give direction. 1,000 feet is fine. 1,000 feet. Mr. Kampos, I think we agree. I think we agree that there should be 1,000 feet in between. That is my opinion about the consensus of the council. EHM, so, point 2, the general level of desired regulatory restrictions. I think that's more of a general question, but then we come to that EHM, that EHM, cumulative effect. I mean, my remark here was that maximum risk limitation is as difficult as possible. I think we want to achieve that, and I heard that expression a few times this evening, namely that the wire is switched or that we switch the wire. And I think, Mr. Palm, that that's what we're looking for. And I think, you know, that's more in general terms, and I think that at point 3, if we're talking about specific matters, we'll go deeper into that. Mr. Prohl, did you have anything to add about point 2?

No, I didn't.

Okay, then let's talk about a few specific things. Point 3. Completing considerations related to public safety or business management. My signatures were in any case in capital letters and then EHM. I think I would rather rely on the staff here, or maybe more on the staff than on Mr. Palm, but what kind of things can we ask? I mean, can we ask for an advanced camera system, which would be very expensive for him to install? And I think the other part of my question is, you know, maybe this is meant for you, Mr. Raymond, or something like that. Do we have to ask other applicants of a kind of similar activity if we want to do the same? That is a point of care. Do we raise the bar so high for something that we clearly do not want in our community that other things that we do want in our community cannot be met? Does anyone have an answer to that? Mr. Raymond, thank you.

Yes, I just wanted to say that I think you should determine the rules that are in relation to the risk of the problem. Ik weet niet of het per se geschikt is voor elke SETF. Nou ja, voor SETF zeker wel, maar essentiële openbare voorzieningen zijn niet allemaal gelijk, het risico is niet hetzelfde. Dus ik denk dat je moet bepalen welk niveau van gevaar of risico je nodig acht om te beperken en dien overeenkomstig moet beslissen, maar ze zullen niet per se allemaal precies hetzelfde zijn.

Okay, thank you, that's it, useful. And I think the follow-up question to my question is, what considerations in the field of public safety and business management have other communities taken or not and should they have taken in hindsight? That is where I would like to see the employees delve into, what can we all do to protect the community from these people? And again, what has worked better and what should they have done differently in hindsight? Any other comments? Oh, sorry, Mr. Steward. Mr. Mayor, members of the municipal council, I would say that this should be considered to a certain extent. I think that the state law is quite clear that we as cities do not extra demands that may hinder the operation. So I think we should first submit an application and negotiate with the legal department of the municipality. And of course we would look at examples of other municipalities that have gone through this process before, what the requirements were and how they have defended themselves legally. Because again, we must make sure that we do not demand anything from them. It is reported that it does not comply with the state law and that we go beyond our capabilities. Then we are accused and we have to pay all legal costs for both parties. And then we are also on board with one plan. Okay, Mr. Perils, do you have any comments on that? You know, I'll stick to what I said earlier about what a security plan should look like. Ik denk dat we een soort matrix moeten aanbieden met daarin wat er in dit veiligheidsplan moet staan. Het is niet anders dan een aanbesteding, toch? We geven aan wat erin moet staan, wat uw ervaring is, wat u te bieden heeft. Ik zie het verschil niet. Dus ik heb mijn suggesties gedaan en ik kan ze mailen, maar ik denk dat punt 3 mijn belangrijkste punt is. Oké, dank u. En nee, ik zag dat ook in het voorgestelde wetsvoorstel, toen ik met de politiechef en de brandweercommandant om tafel zat en die documenten bekeek. EHM, safety standards and safety standards. Does anyone want to add anything to point 3? I don't see anything. EHM, we have already talked about point 4, the proposed assessment process by the hearing officer. And then point 5, whether there should be additional information or adjustments, EHM, regarding the planning of formal adoption hearings. And yes, I agree with Mr. Paruls, we have had a lot of contact with our community. And because there is no adoption procedure at the moment, we did not have the same outcome as in Kennewick when suddenly an adoption procedure was started in our area. Ik denk dat we wel weten hoe onze inwoners over deze kwestie denken, en ik denk dat daar geen twijfel over bestaat, en ik denk dat dat de richting is die we opgaan. En natuurlijk zijn ze van harte welkom om hier op elke maandagavond langs te komen en ons hun mening te geven, en dat zouden we geweldig vinden. Dus ja, ik weet niet zeker of we er veel mee bereiken, EHM, maar als iemand een e-mail wil sturen, neem contact met ons op, stuur ons een berichtje, kom naar de gemeenteraad om met ons te praten, ik weet dat we daar allemaal heel blij mee zouden zijn. Zijn we het daarmee eens? Okay, EHM, and yes, only Mr. Steward. Just a general question, more for the city attorney. Something else, because a part of your earlier conversation about the buffer zone of 300 meters. Brought a question to me, according to the state law we are obliged to admit them in our municipality.

HM. But where does that stop? So, if we admitted the first time, what is our obligation to admit more? Because as we said earlier, if we set these companies as buffer zones, then 35% of the industrial area we have talked about is suitable for one of these facilities. As soon as there is a declaration, that 35% drops to 20%. And if there is a second one, that percentage drops to 10%. How is the municipal regulation defended if there are several of these facilities, so that we are not obliged to add more because we have already allowed this use within our community? If there

If more of these facilities were to come within the city of Pasco, you would run the risk, as you already indicated, Manager Seward, that you would have to adjust your regulations to meet more of these potential applications. The state law is not clear about the question of whether there should be a limit to the number of these facilities within one jurisdiction. What is in it is the principle of fair distribution. The idea is that people who are released from McNeil Island go back to their communities. Returning in relation to the number of people who are sent to McNeil Island. So, for example, if Franklin County has a total of three or four people, let's say three people in McNeil Island in the program for forced recording, theoretically speaking, according to the principle of fair distribution, it should be an facility that offers space to three people within Franklin County and probably even more within the city. I would therefore like to point out that the state at a given moment would no longer be able to prescribe that there should be more of this kind of facilities when the number of available facilities, the number of potential patients that could be sent according to that principle, increases. That is unfortunately more a matter for the legislator, because that is something that the legislator keeps quiet about. But that is exactly what my point is about. At a given moment, it is increasingly less and less defendable for the state to tell the city that more of these facilities should come when the number of facilities and the number of beds, the number of patients that should be sent to the city, is more than enough. In short, if one or two of these facilities were to come into our community, our argument for not building more would become stronger. Yes, I would like to argue that.

Thank you. And then one last point. To clarify, Mr. Pollem, we were just talking about this, looking at the map and such. We used the term industrial area. Are we still talking about the area north of 182, west of 395, in the area that is generally known as King City? Yes.

I'm hesitating because I don't know King City, but I am familiar with the geographical contours we talked about, north of the I-182. Okay. No, I just wanted to make sure we were going that way. And I think for the community and everyone watching, the state wants to place as many of these areas as possible near bus stops and other facilities that are useful for people, but often the most vulnerable people are there. So we try to place this as far as possible in an industrial area, away from vulnerable people and other people in general. Does anyone have anything to add to this subject before we give the floor to the Chamber? Well, mayor, yes, sir. I have one last remark, purely for the council. Your sister cities West Richland, Richland and Kennewick, negotiate with the municipality Pasco. They are interested in a regional approach or a regional package of rules for the roads, so that not a single city becomes a major target for the establishment of one of these facilities in another city. And I would say that all three cities and all involved are very interested in what we do. So don't be surprised if you see a kind of equal regulation of those cities that corresponds to what PASCO is planning and what PASCO is already doing. Thank you, I appreciate that very much. Yes, if I were, I wouldn't want this in my municipality either. So I don't blame them at all. Okay, thank you. With that, I now give the floor to the council. Would anyone like to speak out on this matter of essential public provisions? Once. Twice. No one reports. Thank you very much everyone for the discussion about this. We continue with point E, resolution that the city manager dictates to sign a purchase agreement for the purchase of parcel A of the Barker Heights district.

And for this, director Sarah, Woco and BaNH, mayor and council members. We now present a purchase agreement for the purchase of a specific parcel. As you know, the city has run a project for an irrigation pump station that will be fed by the end of the canal that the South Columbia Irrigation District together with USBR controls from the Columbia project. And the past five years we have worked together with both the district and the owner of the parcel, who happens to be a project developer. The project developer now has a temporary construction plan that has been approved and where the location is specified, which is reserved for this pump station. This is a parcel of a third hectare, directly bordering on the end of the canal that is owned by the district. And we have worked together with the project developer to be able to buy this parcel without the necessary improvements on the front, so that when the phase of the residential area begins and our parcel is installed around it, our parcel does not stand out and looks different than the rest of the neighborhood. We always come across residential buildings on both sides. The purchase price thus covers the costs of all improvements to the front facade that are executed by the project developer. This means that they will install roads, lighting, firecrackers, trottoirs, highways, landscape design, and so on. The construction will take place at the same time as the residential area and our contractor will hopefully build the pump station first before the residential area is there, so that we may encounter any problems. And with that, I have some more concrete details. The price per square foot is $22.65. Again, that includes all installation of the infrastructure outside the fence of our pump station for a forecourt of more than 200 feet, because it has a forecourt on two sides, including a corner. The parcel itself is about a square foot in size. A third of an acre. So the total price for this purchase is 321,623.84. EHM, and I would like to answer all your questions.

Thank you, Director Sarah. Questions, comments from the Council regarding this purchase agreement for a new pump station? I don't see it. I think you're off, ma'am. Would anyone in the council want to speak out about this point, namely the permission of the city manager to sign the purchase agreement for Parcel A of the Barker Heights district? Once, twice. I don't see it. Thank you, ma'am. Then now.f, resolution professional service agreement with HDR Engineering Incorporated for the viaduct project of Route 76. Back to you, Director Sarah.

Good evening. At this point, our technical manager will give a presentation. Thank you.

This is your chance to build a viaduct, Andrea. We're waiting for that. That's right, that's right. Good evening, council. Yes, this is the viaduct of Route 76. I know the city has... We were able to secure $3.8 million in federal funding last year from the BFCOG. To help this project move forward, and I know that there is a lot of enthusiasm, this project connects Route 76 between Burden Boulevard and the roundabout on the south side of Chapel Hill Boulevard. About the Interstate 182. This is a large project, where the funding for the construction is not yet around, but we are now taking the first step with the design and ground renovation phase. Of course, the project also includes the facilities for pedestrians and cyclists in the construction itself and a traffic light on the intersection of Burden Boulevard en Route 76. I'm going to see if a video works here. Okay, er.

Big things happen in Pasco. In cooperation with the Washington State Department of Transportation, PASCO is working on the transformation of West Pasco with a new bridge over Interstate 182 on Route 76. The bridge will reduce the number of lanes, improve mobility for unmotorized traffic and safety. Join us and now create the future of PASCO.

We borrowed that video from HDR. That was part of their presentation during the selection process. And I believe that was the voice of the daughter of the project manager. So the PSA agreement includes... Of course, the design and the direct phase that I mentioned earlier, and a summary of all design elements that are part of the scope, or better said, a summary of some highlights of the design elements. This is a big project. The total estimated costs amount to more than $30 million. The direct phase is also understood and the only thing that of course is not included in this agreement are the actual costs for the purchase of the land. So, uh? Coordination with the Ministry of Transport, that will of course be important for this project. And to summarize the costs so far, I mentioned the federal subsidy of 3.8 million dollars that we have. De selectie omvatte in totaal veel interesse in dit project van consultants. Er waren zeven inzendingen die we hebben ontvangen. En we moeten de beste kandidaten interviewen. HDR wordt beschouwd als de meest gekwalificeerde partij en zodat het ontwerp kan beginnen. Here is a brief summary of the distribution of the total funds that we have secured for the project and the approval for this PSA, namely a little more than 2.8 million dollars for the design and the direct service. With this I answer all questions, questions and comments of Mr. André of the municipal council. Mr. Pereels. Let's build this viaduct. Amen, amen. And thank you, Mr. André. Yes, I can't let it go without making a few remarks. And yes, Director Sarah, I saw that when I was ready on Thursday for the Pasco City Council in Focus and started reading it. I wouldn't say that Margome hesitated. She said something like, you were very loud when I started reading that part, because I was super enthusiastic that this had come to light. And I think that this, for the people who are listening here and in the council, was one of the reasons why I came to the municipal council, the many frustrations about traffic in West Pasco, especially around road 68. And director Sarah has put it very well. The solution for road 68 is not in road 68 itself. That was one of the first things I learned from her. And although this viaduct has no up- and downhills to the highway, you can see it for everyone who listens like our deeper bridge that connects the residential areas of the 182, which splits the city in two, with the more commercial area. As everyone who drives on that route knows, there are a lot of traffic jams on road 68 due to the pressure. All traffic from the residential areas, all commercial traffic, all regional traffic naturally has to go through that junction, including pedestrians and cyclists. And there is a lot of tension, or better said, concern about the safety of those who drive over that viaduct in different ways. So I am very happy with it. The crossing of Burden and 68 is the busiest crossing in the whole Three Cities, with almost 50,000 vehicles per day. So this is a welcome enlightenment. And there is more to come. I want to thank you for the work of the staff. I know that director Sarah in. The technical advisory committee was the branch council of the BF Kalk. When they approved this project, it came out as the highest rated project. That says a lot about our regional partners. As Mr. Palm already said, the other municipalities around us who are involved in the discussion, really see the value of this project and how it will benefit the entire region. I appreciate that I was able to replace Mr. Perel's evening at the Good Roads Association. And thanks to director Sarah, who encouraged me and helped me, we have been able to get the project to the last place of the six places they have for their regional transport priority. This has taken a long time and is the result of a great collaboration between many council members and employees. I want to thank everyone and I realize that this will not solve all our problems. I look very much at what we have just achieved in our transport improvement plan, namely a possible up and down at Convention Drive, which also connects. The I182. I believe that if we get that for each other and remove the connection on road 76 or the viaduct, we can say that we have repaired road 68 together. En ik denk dat dat een fantastische prestatie is voor iedereen hier. Meneer Carter, even een vraagje. Waarom hebben we geen op- en afritten bij het viaduct? Ik laat de experts daar antwoord op geven, maar het is de staat. Het ligt te dicht bij de aansluiting op Road 68, heb ik begrepen. Meneer André? Ja, klopt. De nabijheid van de knooppunten? Ja, er is niet genoeg ruimte om het daar te plaatsen. Klopt, oké. Invoegstroken zijn er zeker wel. Ja, het is een goede vraag. Okay, does anyone have anything else? I think you're ready, sir. Thank you, Mr. André. Would anyone in the council want to say a word about this resolution regarding the agreement for professional services with HDR Engineering for the viaduct overweg 76? Thank you, sir. Thank you all. Once, twice, three times. Thank you all. Then now point 6, various council discussions. I start tonight with you, Mr. Steward. Yes, the council has already talked about the Fiery Foods Festival. A short summary of that. We estimate that there were between 2,500 and 3,000 people present. We also want to thank the nine sellers and sponsors who collaborated with the municipality to make this event possible. And also the other organizations, food sellers and artists who contributed to the success of this event for the community. And I join the appreciation of the city employees who have worked so hard on this. I also wanted to take the time to discuss the One Pasco project. There has already been talk about it on social media and there are questions asked by the municipal council. That is why I want to ask Mayor Koek to give a historical overview of how we have come to this point, of previous conversations with the municipal council and where we are now. Thank you, member of parliament and mayor. The Axon Officer Safety Plan and Ecosystem was presented on September 9, 2024 and approved on September 16 of that same month. Among the parts The Axon product included the Phusis Real Time Crime Center, which combines the community and municipal funds in one place. It also includes about 19 other products. Some of them you may already know, such as tasers, body cams and car cameras. It includes part of the training equipment we need to take those things through. This is the part we are talking about, the branding of OnePasco, or The Connect. It is a register for individuals to let Pasco know that they have cameras at their location. Owners can indicate that they have those cameras and, if they want to, they can share those cameras when they buy equipment with which the images can be recorded live in our evidence system. But that is specialized equipment. In general, most Ring equipment or another particular video camera system that is installed at your home will indicate that the camera is present, but no live video will be broadcast. Agents can request that video via the system. When I registered my ring camera at home, I could enter an e-mail address. The agent handling a report in that area can basically ask the surrounding area for evidence and evidence material that is present there, so that they can describe what has happened and what they are looking for. And then the owner of that video would respond. It would not tell us if they had something. They would have to be proactive in that. When they received that message, they would record contact with us if they wanted to. But that would not be required from their side. The other layer enables them to connect part of the IP cameras to a central one that can send live images to our fusion system. That system requires that the owner determines how it is used. So they have complete control. The police have no say in the settings, the times or the triggers that make it possible to access the video. The owner maintains complete control over the system and can use it as a kind of private security system. They keep that control and can stop or change access at any time. EHM, a number of things we have learned about how the system works, is that you can, for example, get a notification. At a gas station, when that notification comes in, it is registered in the Feaster system. The CAD system is also connected to it. It literally brings multiple data sets together in one place. When that message comes in, the system indicates that there are video images in the vicinity of that location and lets those images in the car that is sent to that message. EHM, and that is the Real-Time Crime Center or Real-Time Situational Awareness, is part of the system that we acquired in early 2025. Ik heb een lijst met de andere onderdelen die daarbij horen, maar ik beantwoord graag al uw vragen. Dank u wel, hoofdcommissaris Koek. Eh, misschien kunnen we beginnen. Ik weet dat meneer Peurls een paar vragen had. Heeft u nog vervolgvragen, meneer Peurls, of opmerkingen of iets dergelijks?

Ja, ik begin wel. Ik heb op de website gekeken en zag dat we al 148 particuliere camera's hebben geïntegreerd. Klopt dat?

That's what the website indicates. I don't know exactly where those cameras are. I looked today, but I can't see them on my system, so I don't know how it goes with that registration. Okay, yes, because that's what the OnePasco website, where you refer to in the Facebook message, recommends to look at if you have questions or want more information. I saw that there. And then I went to the Axon website and there I saw that many communities all over the country use the Fuchsia platform. I saw that Atlanta had about 20,000 integrated cameras. That was a considerable number. So I think you have answered a few questions partially, but you say that as soon as a camera is integrated, they cannot view the images unless they are approved by the camera owner. That's right, the owner of the camera keeps all rights on it. They basically determine how a system is approached, whether access is provided at all. I think I want to add that I don't know the exact number. We have many cameras from the municipality and the cameras in the terminal of the airport have just been used. I don't know if the numbers you see contain those cameras, but I suspect they do. Yes, it doesn't say. There are only 148 integrated cameras. I am sure there is a distinction between cameras in municipal ownership and cameras in private ownership. So maybe it's a good idea to find that information on the website. I only have one question, because I have Vivint, for example, and I would like to know if I can apply the Fuchsia Core chip to my system. Ik bedoel, omdat het een live feed is, weet je, kan ik op mijn telefoon zien wie er voor mijn huis staat. EHM, ik denk dat het platform van Fuchsia die mogelijkheid ook heeft. Het zou iemands live feed kunnen ontgrendelen. Snap je wat ik bedoel? Ik weet zeker dat het niet zomaar stopt. I would like to think that there are control mechanisms that do that, but I wonder who controls those controls, because what happens is that we have a lot of good people, and, sorry, men and women, EHM, professionals, but there are only one or two needed to spoil everything. Do you understand what I mean? EHM, so I wanted to get some more explanation about what we could expect. EHM, I'm totally for AI possibilities and such, but I think you're going too far sometimes. I was overwhelmed with questions like, is this, is this, is this, fuses and those cameras integrated with the FLAC and ALPR platforms that you use. And I thought, that's a very good question. So I have a lot of questions and I don't want to make this council meeting unnecessary. I'll send them by e-mail tonight and if I get a few of those questions answered, that would be great. But it seems that you answer questions from the audience, which is fine, but I think it would be nice if there would be a presentation on this subject soon, so that we can offer a little more transparency to the public. Those were my remarks, Mayor. Thank you. Okay, thank you, Mr. Koek. EHM, I would like to add that on February 9, 2026 we also held a special council meeting where we shared a number of technologies of Fusus and Parabon with the new council members. They were not present during the presentation on September 9, according to me. I would like to answer any other questions. Ik weet dat raadslid per Reels meer. Vertrouwen heeft in het Axon ecosysteem dat we gebruiken, dat het veilig is en dat je dingen niet zomaar aan en uit kunt zetten. Dat systeem beheert al ons digitale bewijsmateriaal. Het registreert alle activiteiten. So if I log in to that system and look at a camera, it registers that I have looked at that camera and how late it was. It also registers whether I have recorded and saved video in my evidence material or that I have shared it with someone. EHM, so I have confidence that the system is set up so that if we get reports of abuse or suspect abuse, we can do something about it. EHM. No, thank you, this is all very useful. And I think, for the audience here and all over the world on the internet, if I understand it correctly, I think of telephones, or now it's about making fun of bad drivers in three cities or other things where people are looking for video footage. Does anyone have video of this or that? In a certain sense, at least as I understand it, this is a way to see it, instead of the police having to make a public appeal with the question, does anyone have video footage of this? This tells the police in fact where there may be cameras and where images are of an already committed crime, without having to take that extra step and speed up the process. Is that right? That's right. So, if we have an event in an area, we physically go to that area and knock on doors to ask people. This gives them the opportunity to participate in their area and say, I have a camera. And through me you can request access. A part of that ecosystem is also a community request function. So if a big event takes place, for example a childbirth, we can send a message. Via our social media, so that everyone with such images can upload to evidence.com directly with digital evidence. It is then categorized under that event, so that we can immediately start screening those images for their value for that kind of business. Thank you, that is really very useful. Yes, and these are the conversations we should have had to have. These are the questions we should have had to ask. Somewhere there is a balance between a surveillance state of affairs and our safety and the maintenance of law and order. And I myself have spoken out a lot against flat cameras last week. So these are the issues we have to keep thinking about, keep talking about, keep discussing and come up with solutions. Thank you, Chief Commissioner Koek. Does anyone else have any questions about this subject before we move on to other matters, Mr. Figueroa? Yes. My question would then be, what is your long-term vision as Chief Commissioner of the Pasco Police, given where we want to lead the Pasco Police? Suppose that 80% of all particular cameras in the city of Pasco are registered, then that will help. Is the goal to modernize and digitize the police, so that we no longer have to go door to door and can react faster if there is a crime? What is the ultimate goal of this? Or is this necessary according to you? I see this as the next step to strengthen the connection with our community. The digital world is changing so quickly. EHM and I do not know if this technology will be the next big technology, given what will happen next year. But it is certainly a way for people to share what they have and participate in their community in a way that is safe for them. I know that in the past. Digital forensic research, for example knowing or searching someone's phone, demanded that I take your phone to a lab and connect it to our computers. It was random in what it was looking for. It removed all photos and all location data. And that was when it was voluntary, right? That is quite impulsive. I think that this technology makes it possible for our citizens to participate by saying, I have a video that shows the period you are looking for and I will share it with you. But it doesn't show the football game and all the other things that might be on that phone. So I think people feel better about participating because they are directly involved. EHM, and regarding the number, I think that differs by person. Not everyone wants to participate. EHM, I believe that most people in our community would like to be involved in one way or another in how the city is governed and its safety. So yes, thank you, welcome. We will be back to you in a moment, Mr. Paulos, Mr. Steward. Yes, I would like to emphasize that this is a program that you can volunteer to participate in. I absolutely agree with it and I would also argue that the city does not make these kinds of things mandatory. For example, I do not think that we should make a business permit dependent on participation in this program with our police. I do not think that making it mandatory is the right thing to do and I would recommend it first. But this is voluntary and could possibly help to react faster, better and safer, both for our citizens and for our agents, in potentially very dangerous situations. Let's take, for example, a shooting party at a school. I think that if schools participate in this, one of the processes would be that, when a report comes in, someone from the school management adjusts the settings of the cameras, so that our police officers can use the cameras in the school to see where the victims are, where the active shooter is, and to develop a better plan that is safer for our agents to come in and to quickly neutralize the threat, that sort of thing. And I agree with it. I grew up reading 1984, Brave New World and Animal Farm and all those other books, and I'm just as careful as most people when it comes to the fact that the government is too busy with everything. But again, this is a voluntary program. If people don't want us to have access here, they don't have to give us that. And even if they do give us that access, they determine when and how we get that access. But it is a way in which, if people are willing to cooperate, faster and better information or agents will be available to protect us. When such situations occur, thank you. Mr. Praus, did you want to add anything before we go to Mr. Hernandez?

No, I love the comments and comments. Het doet me denken aan de film Enemy of the State met Will Smith, die door Washington D.C. rent en elke beweging die hij maakt kan worden gevolgd. Dus ik vraag me af, maar zoals net gezegd, dit is volledig vrijwillig, en mensen willen de politie toegang geven, uw, weet je, ze hebben dat recht. Dus ik wil nu eigenlijk gewoon weten, zoals meneer. Figueiroa already mentioned where we want to go with this system. And I think that's the reason why I prefer to discuss this offline and give a presentation later and ask some questions, because I have a lot more questions now. It makes me think, where do we want to go with this system? Is there another level with Axon and these future developments that we are not aware of? I have looked back at a number of municipal council meetings and I have a report of when we brought this topic into question. I have a small database here and I am taking it. Okay, yes, we have talked about it, but I can't remember that we talked about integrating cameras into this system. It was actually just a general overview of what we were trying to achieve. I have the meeting package of the municipal council, where Chief Commissioner Koek talked about it, even added and it turned out to be just a contract. It consisted entirely of contract language and there was nothing about a Juan Pasco system with which you can integrate your cameras. Dat bedoel ik. Ik kreeg een beetje de indruk van, nou, jullie hebben dit goedgekeurd. Maar ik kan me niet herinneren dat we het hier ooit over hebben gehad. We moeten waarschijnlijk specifieker zijn en betere vragen stellen. Aanhalingsteken, dat zal ik onthouden voor toekomstige raadsvergaderingen. Maar ik bedoel, ik heb letterlijk een lijst met dingen die we besproken hebben tijdens de vergadering waar hij naar verwijst. De workshop over politietechnologie was op 26 mei 2026. We talked about Fuchsia, but I can't remember that we talked about it in detail. Anyway, E.H.M., good comment, but as I said, I don't want to go into this further. I'm glad we're having this conversation, but I'll send my questions and I'm looking forward to having a meeting to work this out a little further. So, thank you.

Perfect. Thank you, Council Member Perales, Council Member Hernandez.

EHM, so if I don't have cameras, but I would buy cameras and they register and something happens and I decide that I don't want to share the information, I don't have to do that, even if my cameras are registered. Is that correct? Yes, that's right. Okay, so it's all voluntary, even if you register.

Is it voluntary? Yes, and there are legal systems where we could go. Yes, I mean, but you know, but I mean, it's just not like that. Yes, registering is not mandatory. This is completely voluntary. Okay, yes, and participating in the cameras, right? Yes.

Want ik dacht, weet je, als je ze registreert, ik bedoel, van wat ik begrijp. Ik weet het niet. Ik heb de reacties op sociale media niet gezien, maar ik neem aan dat als je ze registreert, je gedwongen wordt om bepaalde informatie te delen. Het lijkt me niet correct, van wat ik begrijp uit wat we bespreken. Ja, dus dat klopt. Dat zal wel kloppen. Stel dat ze... ...bezig zijn met een reeks auto-inbraken op weg 44 in Beurten, wat vlak naast mijn huis ligt. Our agents would then be able to go inside and find out which residents have participated in this program. They would then have a lead in the area of possible camera footage, with which they would then be able to make contact with the owners and say, hey, there has been some criminal activity in your neighborhood. You are registered in our system. With your cameras, you would be able to give us access so that we can see if we can record any of this criminal activity on your cameras. The agents do not have permission to go in and see what they want, only because you have registered for the program. It does speed up the contact between the police and potential criminal locations, so that they can talk to each other faster. I've read about it, but I'm not entirely sure. I thought they just came in, registered and that they didn't have any more stories. They just went inside and looked at your cameras. But that doesn't seem to be the case, so I wasn't sure. It's more of a neighborhood guard, I think.

We're going to promote it to our residents in the neighborhood guard and our business program. Companies will probably be the first to arrive.

Okay.

And the second category I was talking about, where you can buy a physical device that can communicate with Axon. You could probably choose to leave your video live. But I don't think that's your choice. Het is geen instelling die ik kan aanpassen. Oké.

Dank u. Geweldig. Dank u. Heeft iemand anders nog opmerkingen voordat we verder gaan? Ik zie niets. Meneer Stewart, had u nog iets toe te voegen aan uw rapport als Stadsmanager? Oké. De vloer is open voor andere uiteenlopende discussies. Ik zie niets. Meneer Perel, nog iets toe te voegen over een ander onderwerp?

Ik heb niets. Dank u. Dank u. Ik zie niets. Geen besloten sessies van 40 minuten vanavond. Meneer Stewart, met dat aantal minuten heeft u tijd. U geeft me vanavond geen tijd. Zeker. Dank u.