City Plan Commission and/or Board of Zoning Appeals - Regular Meeting

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Steve and we approve this from last meeting. I make motion we read next [Music] business we have vacation 2025-29 even Smith you have a board please everyone and thanks for putting us on your part of our request uh this land um was founded in recent times by Mali and uh was spotted advising. uh he wanted to sell off a couple lots back in the mid 15 2015 16 and to do that uh required they be platted so that individual lots and so uh lot one of that subdivision was the wheel property we got lot two and whether it's two and three on this uh survey it's lot free of the mallet. Uh we bought that out of self-defense bring the back as sewing her own wood which is block number two between our house and her house nice privacy then we'll come in and out of accessing the water. And we heard that investors were interested in buying fur

acorage and here in the woods and storage farms for lake toys for it to a couple store again [Music] for a couple residents. And so my wife told me at this event that if the if the woods go so she and so we decided to put in an offer accepted. So we run two and three. So we made by Lee that we need to vacate the old flapping. So that's the first thing on your agenda and then approve a recla what is lot three of the old subdivision blocks two and three uh we're going through a renovation restoration of the house uh at time and we'll put it back on market don't want the house we're interested in they're talking about lot three's house lot three we're Now this is a an aside. This is the original Jean Stratton Porter property silic from the 1912 shows that he bought 44 acres and built this house which was the distant house on lot one and uh my neighbor Mr. Already has some pictures of Jean Stratton Porter standing on the porch and being picked up. Well, she lived here from 1912 to 1916. And then uh that was during the period

where a lot of our roads t was under construction. And in those days, there were little charter boats with the captain that would come and pick you up and she would get in the charter boat every day and go over to Wildfire Woods to supervise construction over there. Uh when it was finished and she moved over there, she uh needed uh this property to to her daughter and she lived there from 36. And though I say that we sleep in James Fer bedroom and the Mark Porter's ty rack is on the back of my closet door. I'll be glad to answer any questions and we have Joshua here the ser surveyor the line work. So,

so just to be clear, before you bought it, was it three lots or was it two? Uh, well, the three lots in the M subdivision were the Yale property, you know, John and Vicky Gale bought bought one and then built the house and then we had lot two and then Mary kept lot three, which was what we're making.

Yeah. So this looks like, you know, it would be a nice home for somebody with 88 acres. You going to be a four bedroomedroom, three and a half house. It's about uh 3,400 square ft was attached three credit garage full and

when it was for sale for the whole thing which included the woods realtor involved told us the big hang up why it wouldn't sell in a year but people were scared off by the bricks they didn't want to you know take that much responsibility and also the shoreline down where the inlet hasn't been cleaned out in 30 years, something like that. And so we've engaged a a dredging guy uh to clean that clean that up at least to the north shore of it and provide access.

Yeah. Just to clarify, we're we're vacating part of the original Mary um Mary Valley subdivision, just two and three. So, we're only vacating about two days. Yeah. I'm going to say the ales are in favor of this and we were going to include them but then we found out well we have to go and have that reservey then Josh Josh Josh Josh Josh Josh Josh Josh Josh Josh Josh Josh Josh Josh Josh Josh Josh Josh Josh Josh Josh was busy and you know bother him service one two3 and those are the lots that we own. So, you currently own these three lots? Yes, ma'am.

Um, with the the drive crossing over, there any issues with that going down to access points to the the other residents? No. the drive the drive Joe that comes down through my property. There's an Eastman agreement in 1956 that gives and and the owners of our property sold these off and then granted the eastment so the formalized so that they always have access through it

and but then you know of course lot the proposed lot three it's right on the road so there's lot two and you can see a quite large portion of lot two is in the flood planes you couldn't build up on it anyhow. And so we're doing this really that we intend to keep the property through our lifetime when Ann and I are dead and our daughters won't be able to afford to sell it make of both woods doable rather than find the door from brain. English through certified mail and return no comments that was wanting to speak. So I will just probably let him that in this letter unless you want me to read it.

No, it's not about the letter. I had another question. Steph,

okay. Um, it was look at behind over here. This is where we live. Um, this piece that sticks out is really where their driveway is that comes in there or the ement so they can get in and out of their property. And it would make sense to put that off. But again, it creates problems if you do it now and you're not leaving it all to not all to the same. So once it's this part's done, the vacate and replat, then they can go back and sell off that piece if they choose to. As long as they keep it within setback on that building, which by measur is not

would that be an issue that this is all done. All right, I'm going to open the open it up to so you can start, Mr. So Steve, I I I guess I just pro. Um if the invent is for the woods to be part of your environment, you see nature and so on so forth. But I I want to understand why you might want two or not one or two and make him a witch part of your current lot. I think you just answer that. I don't think that works.

What's that? You know, we we're really it wouldn't work economically that we wouldn't add it to lot one and just have a lot one in the lot two because then the same problem that the trying to sell her property and potential buyers want the woods we just need to sell. So that's what we prefer to do. Would that answer your question? Yes. Then I have another question. It with the wetlands that exist in lot too. Was it large enough? Yes. Yes.

Oh, good luck. That probably won't be more important. Any other questions? Anybody else? [Music] addressed you.

So we're vacating approximately 2.85 If I minor I just self motion that we approve what was just decided. Hey, thank you.

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Are those the chairs? You're not allowed to have your van. Okay. president-in-law's quiet left at 5 this afternoon. So, time to get back. [Music] city appeals first October 23rd [Music]

from the last meeting. Uh I make a motion that we reading approved minutes. I second that. All in favor under new business varants 2025-27 Dale and Robert the I'm John from solar and it's m o r.

Thank you. You're asking for a varian faces south. Yeah, it's kind of a southwest face. That was correct. Yes. Correct.

We have a sound motion. [Music] I'm sorry. Your roof was It's a dark brown.

Yes. Yeah, that's the one I didn't make sense. [Music] So question maybe somebody explain it to me like I'm an idiot. I don't get it idiot and I don't get it. Um so if it's going on the roof, how does that pertain to the lake side? on the roof on the lake on the lake.

Well, that was just more question the yard side. So, that extends beyond simply the grass and the ground part. I can see it. No reflection reflection. I think the black on black.

You guys won't be able to talk as soon as it's not the door. Keep the core. The only thing is that you have approved from this condition if Yes.

Where where's the power source? Where's the batteries going to be? Power source for the house. be in the basement [Music] in the basement.

So there'll be a disconnect somewhere outside there. What side of the house that can be on? That will be right next to electrical meter which was on the souththeast electric meters east of facing the drive. Right here. Right here.

It would be on the north side.

Yeah. And the hardship for light has to be on this side of the property right here is water sep. So the best place for solar stays in south and then after that is west. If I'm going to go on the north side of this, I just really it's not efficient for it to be on the north side of the house. So facing the side here, right?

Yes. Damn. And based on what they've done in the past, this size system would be close to 100% offset for the system. I'm surprised. But the unfortunate part is they charge you a retail rate wholesale rate for everything push back. So they charge 15 cents for everything 3.8 push back.

Are you aware of Senate enrolled act one was taken away exception on state? So for geothermal and solar they're no longer giving that it goes away in 2026. There is no graduation of that. It's totally gone. You're talking about the tax tax credit. Yeah. Yes. Yes. It goes away from this year. Anything else? [Music]

They want to address questions. Well, I don't know that nobody returned but here I'm going to open up the meeting to the public and anyone wish to be on there 2025 27 I ask that you stand state your name and where you live in a minute then you can make Larry Black, 3:30. I think this should be table shock here. I think they believe Oh, I didn't even see it. Okay, never mind.

Anything else you wanted to add? Uh I was worried about the batteries and since everybody's so close now where we didn't used to be real fire and you know as far as the variance Dale wants to ruin his ro that's no that's no complaint of mine because it will ruin his ro the solar guy I'll tell you but just ask any rer anyone What else? Hey, I'm Stephan Stro. I am the D's next door neighbor. If you want me to keep you standing. It's up to you where you're most.

I'm halfway. I'd love to a little bit. Just a few points for discussion. I'm glad this is here for discussion. Confirming professional installation is something that was on our list. We kind of confirm they would be installed professionally. Correct. That's safe to say. on the drawing. What was the green circle represent? The tree. Okay. And then you said the inverter would be in the basement. So what's this here? That's representing the inverter. And that's what I thought you said was the basement. It is. But I Is it inside the house or outside? Inside the house.

Okay. Because the points I wanted to to discuss here today with the inverter type and the location because we all live on the lake, right? and the serenity and the noise of the wildife in the breeze. So, I know it's like a 50 decel, but when like electricity goes off, you hear somebody um Thank you. It is loud. So, that humming all the time would just be a lot. So, you're confirming it's in the basement, not outside. Correct. The inverters. I think that's a real advantage because it's right outside my kids' bedroom, windows and maps and all that good stuff.

The other thing was um just is there anything for the fire department any best practices to let them know? You guys kind of brought that up already. So because I'm not that familiar these are the things that family that you want to make sure you discuss. So true. They need to know where the disconnect is. So that's why I should ask that's what I read but I'm not an expert. So somebody that fire department where the disconnect is. So all the everything's lab there's a label on the tell exactly.

But if they don't see a lot of our firemen aren't on the lake so they wouldn't necessarily know there's solar there going out there. So somebody would relay them that they would be responding to the fire with sorrow and then they obviously find disconnect once they get there. Can't help them unless they know that.

Yeah, this everything can be put on you computer. So let's say on the batteries are also inside the basement. I don't know if requirements come with this, but I think putting a requirement for the noise would be lovely. I'm sure it will stay that way, but that's my one of my big concerns. What? Because the noise doesn't come from the panels. They're relatively quiet. It's still decorator. Excuse me. What the You're talking about generator. No, no. I was just comparing it to it some level of the generator.

Oh, okay. Because there's no need to reser because it's all electronic. It's all electronic. So, it's just batteries power the home. Yeah. From what I read, it says it does have a soft con, but also when it gets hot, so that's nice that it's inside the fans really power up. The fans will be really loud. Meaning on the lake, you're going to get more heat. So, that's something that was on my mind because in the picture when you look at this, you're like, "Oh, is that outside my kids bedroom?"

Um, then the final piece I had was the glare study. I read that you can do glare study with the boat launch being right across from our houses. You guys have seen people load and unload boats, and I'm not perfect either, but just if that in any way, shape, or form goes in a voter's eye, I'm just concerned that they'll come right into my basement. So those are my concerns. They should be slow over there anyway. They should they should no weight. Um and in the back there that's why power instead of a generator. [Music] Yeah.

So those were the points of discussion for me. Who who just mentioned a no part of the lake is no. You did? Yeah. There hasn't been one all year. The Amish go through there 100 miles an hour every day. And the fire department. Yes. Have any other question?

No. Those were the things. Anyone else want to be heard on 2025 question [Music] I get more glare off the windows when I'm on the lake from the houses I think a black solar panel would put off u address there is no one so we don't have to talk about the 50 dB uh with everything I've read on it, things have changed dramatically over the last 15 years where everything is now 120% safer than than it used to be. But like I said, somebody was talking about glare. I get more glare off the glass of the house than I do anything that's on the roof that's pointing up to the sky. Anywhere where you got a big bank of battery, it's an explosive hazard.

Okay. One at a time. Was the question what kind of batteries? I guess I also have to mention that there is already on the lake facing the water. Although although respectfully those those arguments still carry any weight at this table and I'm not breaking it down. Anybody else? They're a lipo battery. Just one of the more safest li Okay. Is that the lithium phosphate?

No. You know, lithium batteries, just for example, in motorcycles catch on fire all the time. They're the most dangerous battery that you can have. They're worse than lead acid. And something that charges all the time overloads. I just watched the guy's motorcycle burn up in front of the [Music] board of health in Albia about a month ago. He just put the battery in. The dealer just put the battery in caught on fire before he ever made it.

Just just for clarification though, they could put the solar panels without any approval on one side. So, we're not really here to discuss All right, I'm just close. [Music] worried about is the location of the animals here on this side. I'm going to I'm going to go and make a motion that we approve variance 2025 27. All in favor?

All in favor? [Music] Yes. [Music]

Yes. Lots of paperwork. If you don't have it We're finished rushing for nothing.

I think we got a piece of paper. access. She's like, "Boy, not having any house be nice to just relax and not have Everybody, if they weren't born, I wouldn't [Music]

Yeah. Hey. That'll be 2025-28 Deborah.

My name is Bernie. I recogn wanted it originally to be 30 by 80. And then we realized that there were some setbacks and then he had asked uh then we asked John to see if we could actually reduce the size of it just a little bit. And then he come back with a 26 by 80. and we asked him to uh kind of give a reason why he wanted a building this size. And so he explained uh John grew up in this area and then his uh this work led him out to St. Louis, Missouri. And now his kids are uh in various different states and they all like to come home to the house there at John's house and they all have their toys and they all want a place to store these in the middle of the winter. So, uh, he asked that we would represent him here tonight and, uh, basically ask if we would be allowed for a 26 by 80 building knowing that there are a few, uh, variances that we had to apply for.

And right now there's nothing on that lot, right? There is a there is existing garage on there of a We don't have it. It is. It's a 26 by 32. It's already there. It is, but he wants to actually take that down when we start over. That's

So, yes. They hope to get all that insight.

They actually have a a garage by their house yet, too, that they said will also be full yet. Uh I've been out to his house and he's got I think he has like three or four boats out on the water. He's got jet skis. So, he does have multiple uh watercraft that are stored in his house. And he just wanted something that he could put this inside because he says the last few winters he actually had to store some of these boats outside in front of his garage and he says he really doesn't like them.

So, the existing garage that's going to be torn down is a 4t off the inside lot. No, that sits 10 ft. The existing sits I think that has 10 ft on both sides from but the the the new building would be what is the new building 4 foot wider I think and that's why it actually would go down the side. Mhm. Okay. So the original the existing is 24 the new one. It's actually only two. Yeah. What kind of angle is that big of a building for all this runoff?

I believe it's only a 16 inch overhand.

16 inch. Yes. Yeah, you got 16 over the neighbors like that.

I know. You'll get your chances. So did send an email about that being on flood planes of how you were going to flood proof a building that big when you built it. And I never got an answer back on it. So I'm just letting you be aware it's a flip claim. So they'll have to be some kind of a crawl space with blood vents installed. They're not going to have any fun

unless for some reason unless it has been um mis measured at some point all new construction all need to go down first floor needs better. So this is saying it's a team where you got two feet. You're going to have to raise it and put in [Music] ignore what you said.

They probably did. We had a we had an engineer look at it and he said it's not as far as you know retention or something like that. Keep the water on the on the property. He said it's not necessary as far as the retention to actually put a retention pond or something like that. Oh, you think it will stay on the property? He has a note on the on the sign there note that's on the I think you got it too side west side. But what she's talking about is you're going to have to raise the whole thing up the elevation. So you couldn't just put a slab down put in the control

and then put any down unless you go to the Army of Engineers, right? You know, you can't put Phil in there to get that. Okay. Because all that is then shut it off to other people. So was that was that in place for the original building?

Yeah, I regret that. Yeah, you know, you can get it in her mind that otherwise you got on. Yeah, I could I could have taken care of that or at least reached out. Um, but I did not

and we have to wait for the comment section. Well, they're all here.

I'm going to open up the meeting public again. Questions for the presenters. Yes, sir. I'm Alex. I live at 155.

Alex, your last name. You guys can drive by and like I know I live in a flood plane. When I bought the house, I didn't appropriately. I retain water for like crazy. There is no um we have a very scenic backyard over there that's actually being kind of like save because the homeowner doesn't have any plans to do anything with it. It's just a wildlife uh haven back there. It's not any farm, anything like that. Um, echoes would go off with a building that's all that long. I don't have a problem with the building. Um, is the current building any structural damage to make it have be torn down? That's my first point. Second point would be does the building have to be that big? You know what I'm saying? Like I pass this guy's house like all the time. That garage is not that full. The reason he puts his bow outside is physically cannot clear the doorway. So he has to store it outside because neither of those garage doors are tall. It's a pontoon.

So a lot of this you're talking about the garage but this house or the garage the garage across the street next which would be 1580 I believe. No 1585 the right thing here and I think my pull barn in my backyard not that much bigger than that garage is sitting across. So you live at 1565.

Yes. So I'm in the neighboring property to west of the one that they're inquired about. And also, um, I don't know if the neighbor east is here, but I I feel like you guys are asking motion to take the barn closer to his property there, east side. I feel like that should be pretty well addressed to him or whoever whatever homeowner there would need to be that homeowner. I'm glad not because if this does somehow get motion, see how it would um with that big of a building on the lake, why would we do that? You know, let's pres a little bit. You know, let's let's keep it modest. Um, you know, if you go to St. There's a lot of like torn down buildings. They just build new. They'll tear down build new sick that you know I like people. That's all.

Did you want to respond question? Anyone else?

There was he did mention something about the neighbor on the east and I know that John told me previously that he has a very good relationship with the person on the east side of him and he says he doesn't see that it's going to be a problem at all. I personally have a great relationship with John is why we have those meeting. [Music] So for fire protection the fire department was supposed to launch the 10 ft community which is the reason why we went to seven foot because many people come as

yes. So if you given this the board then you're going you're telling the neighbor on the other side is automatically got to have six foot right you're taking at least a minimum of a foot away be able to use it and these lots are not that wide and that's one of the whole reasons why they're asking and Mr. Kill just happens to have like a lot and a half, maybe a double lot. But yeah, right. He's he owns both of these. Yeah, he has double. But you know,

I mean, I would say probably it makes sense difference. You're not going to know how far it is the existing garage is from the east property. probably

according to the site plan that's about what it would come out to roughly I don't I don't know the exact measurement. Yeah. [Music] So you got 40 foot 24T building. You got 16 ft left. Four off of that. You got 12 left. So it it's not centered on the lot. No.

And they're saying this 7 foot on that side. So, I'm guessing it's 9 foot on that side. Did you hear from me? That looks scary. So, building.

So the existing garage is seven. Do see how that's so I did that measurement wrong. I thought the existing seven. [Music] Yeah. Well, let me get up and explain that the line for the new garage and the old garage on the left side.

So, here's here's the line for the old garage is seven sevent off. And then this one here is a new one that's 10 ft. [Music] These are you're going to be off 10 feet off this problem. And we for sure are not opposed to centering this on the parcel. The idea here is just to create access to the back of parcel on on the lot.

Yeah. Happy. Yeah.

Yeah. My property might call. [Music] Well, they have to have retain that. You know how It becomes a private nuisance. Yeah.

What's the plan? So they didn't think could be a problem. But the problem is that you know he's only looking at a 24 by 32 building. That's not a problem. You're putting an 80 by 26 building on. I mean it's covering too much a lot. So you take up that much space and then you're you're trying to shed the water off on both sides into that water somewhere. It's going to go on the neighbors water an area that's already set.

Was there any I'm honestly thinking we could move that storm drain into the road. It's like I walk by the back door stand. Yeah.

Are they putting gutters on it? The bounce ting would have to be intentional. I mean I mean I get it. It it would not work to just have it run off right there. Um, but the engineer felt like he could contain the water on this parcel. Well, we might need to see a plan. Yeah,

I think we need to see a on and it's 7 foot from both lot lines. You're not going to get to that. I think one of the finish is whether or not we're going to get you know,200 square ft and then a lot coverage. And then this is just a unique situation, unique area with this plane. So we want to make sure you're not gonna throw any more water than someone that's already got water.

If the engineer say he can do it, you can provide and then if you got flood plane, you need to plan for that anyway. So we can table it to the next meeting. Do you think you can be ready by November 20th or you're going to need additional time? And we don't normally have a meeting in December. [Music] I think we could do that.

Yes, we are worried about being discussed before.

Well, that's saying some sort of storm water some the way you're doing. It's already collecting water. If you're adding surface then it's less so See the bottom building's too big. What if you put two buildings up? I know you got more construction cost. small,

right? Yeah. They can request murals for whatever site they want. They run the risk of us saying it's too big even with the site plan. Then you just go from there, right? So is this one that requires a formal motion? [Music] Yeah. Make the motion we table variance 2025 form for the purposes of figuring out why runoff plan is what plan everything else that we have discussed.

I second that. All in favor? So, we're going to table this for everyone that might be interested to the November 20th meeting.

You know what you what you want from I have some questions on the the blood thing. Okay.

But I can I can get later. Yeah, that's okay. [Music] I'm Next on the agenda, various 2025-31, Steve and Cara Renick.

We're requesting a variance to the travel trailer for more than two weeks for 15 year. Steve, I'm Steve. Yes. [Music] Yeah. Reasons for it. So, we purchased both lot both properties uh last summer uh around June. We cleared lot a property both of them. There's actually two.

Yeah. So, Luke's met to get to both properties. We purchased both properties in June of last year. Uh, we had the first lot cleared to prepare for a home site this spring of the driveway installed and I contacted Nipsco to try to get power. Ran to the property because there's no power anywhere on the property at this time. During that process, they told me there's gas easement across the property that we were not aware of during construction or when we purchased both plots. Um, actually I have all the copies from 1965. So, it got missed during the fighting process. the administring process. They want their gas even put on my client which I finally got done this I sent to next go but they will not do anything as far as power until that gets resolved. So I don't know what their next step's going to be. So we put a travel trailer on the property this past summer so our three boys can come up enjoy the lake. We're not here that much. They all play sports right here weekends and holidays. We're not living in the trailer. We have a permanent drive.

It's about two hours. I drove a lot more work, so it's not that bad. But so that's I mean the plan is to start construction next year assuming will run power to my property, which we all know how utilities operate. So

um it sits well where the boats are stored. It's a little to the left of there. That's where the RV is. Is that what you're asking? It's It's a little to the left of those are the boats we had. So, but I knew it was up in that area. It's Yeah, it's a little a little closer to the left, but but the easement runs along the lake. Uh it So, it's actually the actual reason we were getting from. It runs from Hilltop, cuts through our neighbors property, cuts through both of our lots, and then drops back down onto the Pleasant Point. So, it cuts really right through that lot. And no one knew this.

Uh even was from 1965, so I'm assuming that's why I don't know. That's another argument I got to have for a different

Anything else you want to know? Okay. Additional questions. This this space is not rented out to anybody. Nobody else gets invites like, "Hey, come bring your your people to come up for friends and family where no one else." And this is intended to be a temporary solution before a A permanent fix is what?

Correct. I have no intention of ever owning an RV, using an RV. This was the solution I came up with so we can enjoy the summer with our children after I found out that it's still a problem this spring. So, as soon as I have a home built, RV is coming. Well, you're asking for 202. I'm hoping to start construction in the spring. Assuming [Music] there's no electricity there. Yeah. Well, you have gas.

I have a gas man. Open meeting to the public portion. Again, same apply. I'm Jeff West. Are you joining property owner? We're across from them.

So from our during you just left for us and we were considered joining them. But anyway, my concerns are, you know, temporary situation the sewage and sewage run off that there, you know, spills have you know contamin the bay there which is you know from water there's no place there for it to go. So that would be my biggest concern. Um the other issue is them being outside constantly, right? They make a lot more noise than normally make and the traffic there was been a little bit excessive last year. So they seem to they do need to understand the rules to write a little bit better and no wage sign.

No, people don't read the rules. just buy right my biggest concern about we haven't seen the trailer move since it's been there so well I think he didn't know that he couldn't do it which again ignorance of the law is no defense but well I'm just saying just to dump the trailer because he has he hasn't been up there he has been up there all year. Yes. Yes. So they have trailer been all year.

The trailer has been there all year. We're allowed trailer. We're asking to sleep in more than two weeks or sewage. We don't use No, we don't allow the RV there at all. Yes. [Music] as us on there's people there. Yeah, we do use it. We were up here three days last week for P break. Like it's as far as sewage goes, we don't there's a we have a portage John on the property. We don't use the sewage. But you have a portage you're having come and get.

It comes every week. It's clean. So it's state down. I work construction. I know all the rules as far as anything goes as far as bills go from jobs. That answer anyone else here on variance 20 2531. [Music]

No, I had an itch. I would like to say that I'm I'm Joe Ward. I am not a neighbor. I live at 179 Silvin. I am actually next door neighbors to Herman Fisers, but I'm the one who brought them to this lake. Uh it's they're a wonderful family. He's actually my best friend, too. But um they're a wonderful family that are bringing good things to this lake. I will confirm to you because I live right next to them in Fisers. They don't come up very often. Their kids are in sports all through Saturday afternoon. They may run up here in Saturday afternoon with their three young boys who love to run the property. We've been on the lake now since two 20 21. Um they're a great family. They're not doing anything. If anybody's causing a stir back in that, maybe it's me taking my pontoon back there and trying to turn around 24 foot.

Got it. So, and I'll take full blame for that. They'll probably be doing more work for that than anything else. But, uh, I would just say I they're not going to be up there that much. They haven't been their homework. So, I see them at home and I don't see them. So, that's all that this does have an extended expiration date of December 31st, 2026. Correct. [Music] I would say he would be this is not confirm you know things

yeah I can't control it I did send out to other neighbors we get some responds back by email and I did forward to where but Jurgen Mines is also across channel mayor,

Mr. Senator Newman, I believe. So, he says, um, "No issues here. However, do not want to see an RV park in the future. At the end of the day, aren't these slots considered residential versus recreational? I guess some clarity on what your intent is on future build would be helpful. We can appreciate the need to have a staging area build." So, timeline would also be helpful. So Steve responded, "We did not have intention to place. That's the route we chose. After construction on our home complete, we'll be selling the RV. Our intent is to start construction in spring gets resolved and then responded awesome. Thanks for the update. No objections." And then she didn't strap reporter thoughts on enjoying owner and Tiffany reached out. She had a couple concerns which we must address but she's got five concerns. Five. We have a lot of people who walk that trail with their pets and then she saw Saturday the dog charged the fence and was not on a leash. I'm sure they have it trained or it may even have an underground fence but visitors won't know that. It's just splint rail fence. So it's not like it's going to stop the dog who wants to go. And Steve's response was, "We have our dog rocket on a Halo GPS collar on the property." And then number two, Tiffany, the Apple House. How often is that going to be empty? Steve cleaned once we three, the gray water. If they're showering, washing dishes, where's that water going? If they have a tank, like most campers, where are they going to empty it? We have friends that live on the lake, so we shower at their place. Um Steve's response, we bring a couple gallons of water with wash our hands and any dishes be used like we used to do that when we were allowed.

We were never is it just them using it or will they be running out letting other spring campers have to set up? And Steve's response, we do not rent out the property. The only people who are on the property is us and our friends and family while we're there. Five, fire control. any sort of extinguisher or fire suppressing and fire spreads from the fire ring. You know how quickly fire rips through the prairie and the woods is just as dry, dangering not just our property but everyone along Pleasant Point. Um Steve's response we have fire extinguishers in the RV and then um one more question is this going to be an annual continued burning request moving forward and Steve's response not temporary solution until we resolve the issue with ghost gas ement we can start construction and then Mike and Vicky Bryant they're also across the channel Steve she says good day wish to relate to to the Ryan Breck family that and what an absolute joy it is hearing and watching your family thoroughly experiencing what living on Silven Lake is all about. Sunny days, boating, swimming, skiing, plenty of adventures and discoveries for children. Starfield build nights with owls, rustling leaves, burn pit fires for s'mores, hot dogs, and laughter. From a water quality standpoint, added both boat traffic and churnal increased circulation and water flow. A definite plus for both east and west side point. We wish to extend a warm welcome to the neighborhood and thank you for choosing southern light and that's all. Um

I make the motion that we approve variance 202531 um especially on the understanding that this is for the purpose of the temporary one so that they can get the per fixture on the property. So yeah,

that's Although to be fair increased traffic on Pleasant Point, I will totally own up and say um with the number of variances and issues related to properties on Pleasant Point this last year and I have totally driven out there multiple times. So, uh

some of that could just be we're being nosy and peeking on things. Well, they put a house up for sale at really

couple years ago. It's bad when somebody else is doing it, but then when you have to do it. I would just appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks for coming. I'd much rather have than going around town and hear them talking about, well, why didn't they do this? Why didn't they do that?

You won't ask. Well, if that lid comes off This is for us. Oh, we're at our house tonight.

What? It's bug master.

Somebody else do it. That's why we didn't ask. I did like that question. Somebody [Music] She's going to take him out first. I think um the guy that put somewhere else

you guys handling the Allen County for the counter I'm not really

willing Now we got to do

we thank you for your patience. Yeah, this doesn't fall. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry the solar wasn't more dramatic for you. So this is Rob Krueger. He's turning so he's just we uh worked out settlement agreement with SW that 12 pages was upon reading. Yes. So everything there we added some stuff. So as far as the the or the town's concerned um the AC units that are on the ground level on the near side in Netherman are going to be relocated. Um

the other side the other side I don't know where we know well where they're going to be relocated because his wife showed up at the last meeting and threw something at the board and then told us how much it was going to cost them to relocate. $5,000. So, so those are being relocated.

Yeah. So, uh so those are being relocated. Um the ex the ex or accessory auxiliary structure the the detached garage that he's going to get his inspection done. So that's part of the deal. He has to get the inspection. so the ass could be completed. Um, and the bathroom had to be removed. It wasn't permitted. So, that's all being done. And then there's the hangman. Is there a timeline on that? No. On when that bathroom's going to be out there, when the inspection's going to be done. I'm sorry, but I just don't have much faith that it's going to happen.

Do I want a date of when that inspection's happening or a deadline? Uh he I talked to him today and talked to the building inspector. Okay. But I don't know that he gave me a date. Well, I would say by the end of the year payment payments that have to be done 60 days from when we signed. So I mean does that break like I don't know your lawyer rules and everything. Does that like break it or jack up of the agreement to put that clause in to be completed?

I mean, I think that's a reasonable time. It's not done in a reasonable time and then we'll have issues. I think it kind of would frustrate the whole agreement and reach the agreement. So, I I presume he's going to get it done. What Rob had mentioned earlier was that he was waiting until this was done to do it, which I guess makes some sense this was with either way. I think it's got to be done. So, he could have done it, but I think now it's understood he's going to get it done. And I presume Rob will make sure he gets he doesn't want to about this, but

yes. Yes. So, other than that, the the payment for town within 60 days, you know, the issues there, but otherwise, I think it's in final form. Swany has signed it. Netheran has signed it. So we just need to approve it and then we'll take it to the council. Yeah. Yeah. We'll take

Yeah. So we just need is okay to approve it. And then there's also the covenant to go with the land. Make sure that no additional easements are sought on the leader side so it doesn't has to encroach any further act as well. You're a horrible neighbor.

Motion make the motion and sign this thing. Madam President

President once all the years I've been on this it was he kept running his mouth I told him we're still All right. public record got me saying that I'm

send

well actually uh I bought the place you know Mike I do yes yeah you Yeah, I bought their home. The mom is great as new neighbors will be. So, she yelled at me. Well, you make a good neighbor. Yeah, there is there is a lot to that when you live on the lake. I tell you, I don't need to ring the doorbell, man. If anything's going on over there, my mom's here. Yeah. Have a good evening.

So, I got a couple things before we get out of here. So the gentleman behind us fence has got problems and he would like to replace it. The problem is is it's a galvanized chain link fence. That's what he wants to put.

That's what's currently there. And he wanted to replace it with that. But our code says that he cannot replace it because it don't allow chain link. So I said to him, I said, "What about powder coated? Maybe the board would be okay with powder coating." Is that okay? Now, mind you, these this post in the top rail will say the galvanized, but he'll put a mesh over the top of it, but he's going to have to come in and get bearings because that's what the code says. But I didn't want him spend $150 to come in on this if you were going to say no. Is it just falling apart?

It's kids been trying to climbing over it. His wife fell into it and it's not the commercial grade. So, it's it was just a cheap little fence when he put it in. Wait. So there's already a fence there. There's an existing chain link, not powder coated fence there that was in before the code. So now he wants to replace it, but we don't allow replacement the way the code reads. It has to be the code. So I'm asking if he brings variance, will you allow this powder coated to be installed? Right. Which is also not allowed, but it it's a little nice.

Yeah. And subsequent to this, I think due to the cost of fencing, the increased cost of it, we might want to look at at least changing that for single family residential. Leave it as for late because, you know, makes more sense. But yeah, it's very expensive because he got a quote on this and I don't think I put it in here, but I think just Yeah, just to do the this fencing part and not the rails on top or the posts in it's $3,500. Holy cow.

Just for that for that yard right over there. Yeah. So what if he did the galvanized again? Well, I didn't know if you would approve that. We don't know. We We've been looking at it for how long now? I agree. My only issue with that is that we have had other people come in and we, you know, they didn't want to go for variance. That's on them. But they put in the nicer the plastic whatever and they spent a lot more money and they're happy with it now. But, you know, if we start letting people do this without right. So, well,

well, it really crumbles when somebody lights fire underneath it like they did down there. Smelled it cuz they thought it was wood. Yeah. So, the guys who went through and sprayed all the weeds and so the owner on the opposite side decided he didn't like looking at the weeds and he didn't want to weedy. So, he lit it on fire. Well, it's a platform. So it all went like this. So we had to replace like seven sections. Yeah. It just look like a little snowman just like I mean I I'm just speaking for myself personally. I would be blind to hear.

Yes. I mean especially if it's a case where they're already Yeah. already existing fence and it's starting to look like crap anyways. And I mean this doesn't stand out as much as like why should and and it should keep it from rusting which I think was the whole reason behind it. But then I think we went a little bit overboard saying that

because even his wife came in today and she was talking about, you know, he just wants to make sure it looks nice because I don't from a distance it looks fine, but I'm sure up close there's things that he sees and he just wants to upgrade it to make it look good. And she goes, you know, he just want it to look like all the other rusted fences around here. And I said to Jenny, I go, case in point, which is why we don't want to have fences because people don't break all these stem when they're rusted. Yeah. So, it's expensive, right?

And then just an FYI, we got some I'll give you um new bills coming through. Uh it's not up for hearing yet, but I thought this was interesting that um they they're putting in a public school, a charter school, or a non-public school shall be considered a permanent use, permitted use in all zoning districts. Whoa. Wow. They're doing that for the That's how much power they have. Most. So, so I just want you to be aware of that. And if you run into Dave or Slick when you're out and about, you might mention that. No. Well, I think not everybody wants school next year.

Email every I'm gonna say, "Dave, you want school next year?" Right. With I mean, I think they at least need to be able to to say their piece on it. Anyway, yeah, I love there were other charter schools popping up because in other parts of the state, they were getting fun stuff. charter schools can buy like old schools like they're closed for a dollar or something. But at least if they're buying an old school, it's in an area where there was a school, right? And people are

and you know that. But if you're buying a a house on a house on Pro Street and you want to turn it into a school, is that the best place? Is that the safest place? No, it's not because it roughs out the traffic. You know, this is the people that are involved, right? It's whoever gives them money. That's how it works. And besides them and they get this is how it all works. And yes, I know I'm being deported and I don't care. No. Well, hey, before we turn, any update on the burger thing?

I finally got through the 488 pages of what they consider to be the record and what Brian had at least on the certification of 488 pages. which I'm pretty sure had duplicates throughout. There were so many pages, but I'm like, I'm not going to go through and tell you what all the duplicates. Just submit the whole thing because all they they submitted all duplicates. That's what I'm saying. They they put it all together and there was like there's probably several pages that are in there 10 or 12 times.

That's [Music] so that's done. And then I think they just sent me the outdated transcript from the audio they put together. They figured out with no names in there. I think any of you guys are just going to be called board me. So they're just all one person. I wasn't going to listen to it.

November 20th. All right. Uh, we did all right. Second.

England till 10:30. What was What was the driver like? Why did it take so long? They have too much on the agenda. No, we can cut out six. We lost six. I have a question for you before you get out of here. Oh. That's uh but they had we had a couple page for fores. So somebody wanted to put in like a private soccer field for semi soccer adult soccer no one went for recreational

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