Area Plan Commission (apc) - Regular Meeting

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Any additions or changes to the agenda? I would suggest if our prosecutor and judge show up that we push them up towards the top so we don't make them sit here for hours. But game time decision. I don't see them here yet, but just one suggestion here. As long as you guys don't talk to, we'll try not to. She wants to get out, too. Oh, I didn't mean to. Oh, yeah. Chocolate. You should bring less and then you'll go to the top more. All right, let's get going. Excuse me.

You want a motion to approve the minutes? Yes, I do. I move we approve the minutes. I'll second. Okay. Any discussion? All in favor? I Yes. Judy, yes. Scott, yes. Gary, yes. Patrick, yes. Joel, yes. I don't know. Let me think about it. Yes. It's going to be one of those nights. Okay. President Ry budget update. Jerry Hickman. Appreciate you coming. Thank you guys. I went ahead and put the mic. I'm down. Can you hear me?

Y better. Okay. Um, I went ahead and passed out a packet for you guys. Um, I'm here tonight to hopefully alleviate some of the, you know, concerns during the the budget adoption. Um, so within this packet, the first thing that's listed is kind of an outline because there is quite a bit of information. Um, we don't have to go into detail on all of it. I know a big portion of it is a budget book, so we don't have to look at that. Um but within your packet um it's in order based off of this outline. So um just to dive right in. So the first item there is the RFG budget book versus the adopted budget in gateway. So what this report shows um and it's the ver the attachment right after the outline. What this budget or what this report shows is any discrepancies between the budget book that we provided that you guys saw and did a public hearing on on October 3rd versus what was ultimately entered into gateway and adopted. Um, so we just went through uh the specific line items. The only changes were in the general fund. Um, and then we have notes over to the side. Any uh, you know, our assumptions or anything that um, shows why there was a difference. Um, I know like for example, the very first line item that was one that you guys actually discussed in that meeting um, on October 20th and I believe you guys voted to approve that. So, that was one of those changes. Um, and then throughout here, um, I will point out what we did for salaries is we ended up taking, and it says Jim salary spreadsheet because we received it from Jim. And then we added

$100 longevity. If you see any of them were a dollar off, um, for example, this second one, that's because there was decimals on his report and we wanted we rounded up so that there were no appropriation issues towards the end of the year. Um, since I noticed those two on Jim, he was off $1. I was going to point that out. So, he wasn't actually wrong on those, unfortunately. No, it was it was just it was just rounded. Um, so on his report, it rounded down, but

All right. Um and and so and that's how we ended up building out the salaries. I know a big portion of this is sheriff and we put $100 for longevity which based off of what Julie put together it makes me um think that the sheriff does not receive longevity. So that is correct as far so we any of that stuff we went ahead and put in there. Um better to you know have it in there and not need it than other way around. and not have to do any additionals. Um, so a lot of those where you see does share perceived longevity if not Julie's amount is correct. Um, we go through there. I think the very first one outside of that is this Lieutenant Colton. Um once again we just use the spreadsheet but based off of um what Julie put in there um and that's actually um what the department actually requested. So once again we were just going off of that uh salary spreadsheet. Um then moving through here total wise there weren't a lot of changes that she made. Um, it ended up being a total of $12,969, which was the difference between the October 3rd ordinance and the October 20th ordinance. There were um four line items I do want to point out in circuit court that we did not have in there. Um, and when we talked to Julie, it was the night before the meeting, we were able to get those put back in there. Um, and then this last line item, um, the EMA administrator, I like it's in the budget, but I had a note that you guys decided to eliminate that. Um, but it is in there currently. So, if that's

not needed, it can be. And I have I have the source documents as far as the notes that we received, um, it's out. So, right there, that's, you know, $37,089 that, you know, can be eliminated or or just not spent in the budget. But, um, so these are the changes, um, based off of what we had in our budget book versus October 3rd meeting versus what was adopted the 20th. So, only $12,969 difference. Um, the next couple reports just quickly shows, you guys have seen these before, the surplus deficit and it's based off of the October 3rd versus um what's in gateway now and what was adopted. The only changes were obviously in the general fund. So, not substantial amount. I will point out that revenue projections did slightly change. Nothing material, but the October budget book that we provided that was um that was through August. So throughout the year, obviously revenues are going to trend up and down, up and down. Well, when we did the new one, we used through September. So revenues did change slightly, but like I mentioned, nothing material. Um, so based off of what you guys saw with the surplus deficit and what was presented on October 3rd versus what's adopted, there's not a whole lot of changes, but if you want to know obviously which specific line items were changed, it's under that first uh report.

Jerry, did you include the two form fours?

I have I have a copy of both of them if you'd like to see it. I did not print 12 copies though. I just have one of each showing that that is the only changes in the general fund budget. I included the budget book that we provided that's October 3rd. I didn't print off both of them. I just I just have this one with the understanding that the only difference is in what was adopted is on that first report. Then after that, um, and I went ahead and, um, provided you guys with this information. This is probably something me and Julie, we've already discussed. We're going to meet, we're going to go over all this stuff, make sure that, you know, we're on the same page. I'm jumping a little bit ahead. Um, but it's very important, especially next year during the budget process. We talked. We're going to meet at least once, maybe twice, maybe three times. We're going to go over the budget. We're going to go over the gateway information. We're going to make sure that everybody's on the same page so that there's no concerns, you know, during, you know, adoption, well, in advance of adoption. But, uh, we received um a notes page that was Julie's notes as far as she just had questions. So, that's what this is. We don't have to go through these three pages. Um, that's something that Julie and I can go over and discuss. Um, just to give you a big picture, um, we have source documents and reasoning why we did anything that we did. Um, I know that I always say this like we won't make changes unless it were directed to do so. Um, so we have the sources of arguments. I can get with Julie um discuss any of those changes that we made um and make sure that we're on you know the same page.

Now the last um report is miscellaneous revenues and it's just this one pager and I just want to give you guys um big picture look at what's entered in the gateway versus what actually is receded. Um so revenue projections we obviously put together your guys's financial plan. We look at historical revenues um prior to three years. Um we look at trends. Um obviously property taxes, income taxes are the two major sources of revenues, you know, specifically for your general fund. Now, what you enter in the gateway for miscellaneous revenues. I mean, you can put whatever you want, but

you're on the last page, the last very last page, the very last page. Jerry said, one of the most important parts is one page, the very end. It's actually a single page. Very last.

Yeah. Very very very last page. Just one page. Gateway estimate of miscellaneous revenues versus actual. So when you put it in gateway, um the county can put whatever they want in there. They could put miscellaneous revenues of $1,000 or 100 million. um um for the most part other than property taxes and income taxes um the DOJS is going to take your word for it. So if you are extremely conservative in what you put in the gateway um forms I mean it the DOJ is going to take that it's going to spit out projections based off of that historically and for 2026 what was entered in there is extremely lower than what you guys actually receive. So all the revenue projections and when we provide you guys surplus deficits, we're looking at historical information um and trends and it's much closer to what you guys actually received in um versus what's been entered in Gateway which is much lower. Now there's not like we have clients where they like we don't do the revenue projections in gateway. We have it outside of it. It's not really that big of a deal. The most important thing is, you know, you get your maximum levy, you get your budgets approved, we show surplus deficits based off your financial plan and those revenues that we provide. But I just wanted to give you an idea um because based off of my knowledge of the October 20th uh meeting, there was some concern as far as the budget being, you know, higher and cash spend downs and stuff like that. If you look just at what was entered in the gateway, yes, that that it looks like there's going to be a cash spend down, but that's because the revenues that were entered in there are substantially lower than what you guys historically receive. So, this first U box here, I'm just showing you an example. So, the 2024 1782 notice, which

is the final form that the DJS sends out, the miscellaneous revenue is for that budget year. So for 24th budget year it was entered in as 5.8 million. The actual miscellaneous revenues for 2024 were set a little over 7.7 million which so the projections on gateway were under by 1.8 million. If you would use those 5.8 million, yeah, it's going to look like your cash is going to be spent down when in reality it was much higher than that. Um to pull that out even farther, the um on a 1782 notice, they have a projected ending cash balance for 2024 as well, which during that time they projected it at 1 point almost 1.15 million. The actual ending cash balance in the general fund of 2024 was over 3.4 million. So that's a variance of 2.3 million that the DLGF based off of the amounts that you're putting in there versus what we actually exceeded. So that is a big difference um when you're looking at gateway forms and what it's bitting out versus you know what is actual I mean it's very important it's dependent on what you put in there for miscellaneous revenues. So historically they've been much lower. 2025 again what was put in there was 6.1 million through October 31st of this year. So we're not even through the last two months. It is already exceeded the revenue projections that were in there. And then I put a little note on the right side not counting any other miscellaneous revenues. There's still going to be 818,000 um additional revenue income taxes that are going to be receded in there. So once again, it's very conservative on the 1782 millise, but we don't what we've provided you guys with your surplus deficites and projections is

closer to actual. And then 2026, I was just showing what's currently entered into Gabriel versus what our projections are. Um, and it's a 900 grand difference um between the two. So once again, if you're just looking at gateway and what's been entered in in there, it's going to look like it's, you know, budgeted spending is way above um projected revenues. In reality and historically, it's it's it's been a much better, you know, outlook, so to speak. One other thing that I do want to point out too, the DLGF and it's the note that I have in under the uh 2024 section, the DGF will assume that you spend 100% of your budget. They have to there's no other way they can do it. So they they assume that you're going to spend 100% of this year's budget and 100% of next year's budget when in reality most of the time you guys don't spend 100% of your budget. Um, so that's another another reason where you see this big discrepancy in the projected 2024 uh cash balance of what the 1782 shows, what the DOJF provides versus what actually happened because in 2024 you also underspent your general fund had budget remaining of $5 to $600,000. They will assume that you spend that. Um, so when we provide surplus deficit sheets, we show any of our assumptions as far as um unused appropriations, we we have a column in there that shows uh a three-year historical unused projection. We try to stay under that. For the general fund, we assume 100% spent for that one, but there are other funds that spend way under what their budget is. Um, Tune Bridge is one of them. Um, and I'm going to be working

with Julie on the 1782 notice. That fund was one that and it's the only fund right now that the budget was cut like 13 grand. Yeah.

And it's not be it's because the DJF is 100% spent. The budget very high historically in Cubridge and the expenditures are much lower. There's a couple years in 22 and 23 where the unused appropriations were north of 80%. But since the DGF assumes all that's going to be spent, if you don't have enough cash, it will it'll cut it. So Julie and I are going to work together and see if we can get that restored that that would be number one. Um if it can't, there's no issue on doing an additional appropriation early next year. We'll have to wait till the annual report submitted, but there's going to be enough cash in there. Um it's just simply the way that the forms work and the DJs treats the you know the unused appropriation. There's no issue in that fund. Um we can easily get it restored but hopefully we get it restored through this 172 process so you guys don't have to go through the hassle of doing an additional one one more thing and I'm sorry that I'm going so quick. If you guys have any questions just stop me. Um, one other concern, um, I believe based off of the, um, October 20th adoption was, and on the outline, it's on the second page, it's number six, um, is the 2026 adopted property tax levy versus certified property tax levy by the DGF. We 100% intentionally have the adopted property tax levy higher than what the maximum levy is on the gateway forms. Now within your guys's financial plan, we show the maximum amount, the certified amount, and that's what we use to calculate the uh revenue projections as well. So there's no concern there. There was a three I think what was adopted was 3.25 million. It's going to be closer to 3

million. We we understand that um that's intentional. Um it's a standard practice that we do just to make sure we don't miss anything. We want to ensure that you guys get your maximum levy. Um so it's like I know that that was mentioned and and was something that was um concerning. There's no concerns there. Um it what has been released with the 1782 notice matches up as far as the maximum levy with what we have in the financial plan as well. Um, so no issues there. Um, and then lastly, and I talked to Julie a little bit about this, we've got to we have to be on the same page. Um, um, we need to do a better job of of meeting. Um, so I I did put in here the last section as far as the 2027 budget process. We need a detailed timeline. I know there was a lot of confusion this year. There were some meetings that some council members wanted and some did not. uh early on in the process and we can put it together if you guys would like. Um as far as a detailed timeline and I mean when I say detail I can make it as detailed as you guys want and everybody on the council and you know Julie myself everybody agrees on it. Any deviations from that have to be approved by you know said group um just to keep everybody on the same page. And the second item there I think is extremely important um to mitigate any concerns um especially you know last minute during an adoption. Julie and I have to be on the same page. So at least one meeting maybe two maybe three we can go through maybe four however many we need to go through the budget to go through the gateway forms and understand how the DLGF treats things versus what actually ends up you know happening. And I think I feel that will alleviate a lot of

concerns much and it'll uh improve the process moving forward. Um but that number seven is extremely extremely important. So to reiterate 2026 the actual expected versus the projected that we had originally inserted or the state inserted there's a difference of plus 900,000 in on the revenue side

based off of what was entered into the gateway versus what we project as far as RFG for the county. And then on the general fund cash balance end of year 2024, uh there was a major 2.4 million $2.3 million plus side kind of Yeah, that was mainly for illustration purposes to show you how much it can be off depending on what you put in to the gateway forms.

So and then coming back to the what we heard our last being, you know, $360,000 or kind of which is not unusual. I mean, that's the reality. And and I, you know, it'd be helpful probably to look back through our previous five budgets and say how much were it's not were we under, it's how much were we under, and I think we've been closing this gap. I know we've been working hard at it anyway. Sometimes it's doesn't feel like we're making progress, but I think we're making progress there. That 360 number um might be better than we've typically seen. And with the $900,000 surplus, what should we be thinking about that? I mean is the 900 Oh no that's that's not just general is that general

this this sheet here is only general okay

um what I would focus on um and I can send you detail as far as every revenue like literally the financial plan how we come up with our revenue projections um like I said we project them based off historical information and and and move that stuff forward and then it populates that surplus deficit sheet um that is based off of our revenue projections. So as far as for 2026 um I think it was after some um minor changes maybe around $170ome,000 surplus that were projected. That's based off of 100% of the budget spent. Um that does not factor in any any lit supplemental. Um, so any excess that the state might distribute out, we don't know if that's going to happen. Um, so that could just be icing on the cake, so to speak, um, during next year. It was brought to my attention the last meeting that there may be some expenditures that could be moved into one of the opioid funds. We don't have that in there right now. So if that comes out um that EMA administrator 38,000 so like that's in the budget right now that could come out. So 177,000 surplus might be is on the conservative side. It may be even more than that depending on what the county if they're able to move some line items to opioid funds um supplemental things like that. I would focus on that surplus deficit sheet as far as the revenue projections as far as revenues versus budget for the general fund. I

So that's I mean yes, that's good news, right? We we are not running a deficit budget in the general as we previously showed and we knew there was some cleanup work to do. We're actually running a surplus and um we do have some additional appropriation requests today that are about, you know, and I want to get your advice on that. You're you've taken a lot out of the commissioner budget here too that I'm seeing that um you obviously didn't understand what those lines were cuz they can't they're statemandated some Is that the 100k or whatever that came out? Looks like 105,000 you took out. Which line item was that?

Um the state uh section detention placement, you knocked that down to 3,000 instead of 30. and both publications which I'm already addressing and then this 120,000 for the HSA that is in there that's gone that needs to be put back in there. So that's actually even more than over 100,000. Like I mention any anything that we've taken out I got source like as far as I'm not saying it's correct. You're going to do away with a position in EMA. Shouldn't that go through the commissioner's office?

There wasn't a position there. Yeah, there is. There's no paid for because we didn't hire anybody. We were told by Gary that was pros. So the benefits and salary there would come off if that's true. First of all, this conversation here would be above and beyond tonight's discussion. So, you know, we can table these, you know, these uh just as long as they're written down. I don't care. That's we got it all documented. We can we can discuss it. The only thing I want to point out here and interject it's okay, Jerry, with you.

Yeah. based as you know based on the budget that was submitted you know we're only showing 1676k left over at the end of 2026 based off the forecasted revenue and based off you know expenses of 9.8 as far as revenues exceeding expenses surplus surplus not cash a surplus of 176,000 surplus correct

so any changes within the 1026 budget so you're bringing it up Teresa any changes that we go in and make or any additional appropriations are going to reduce that 176 so that's where we are so this is not you know to me it's not a rosy picture and we're okay. We're a black Scott, but we're not a black by much. So, whatever additional appropriations that go on above and beyond, you know, from the budget that was submitted, you know, we're going to have to watch this like a

Yeah. Yeah. That's just all there is to it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. because I had a conversation today with um with this Sam Vanderbe with DGF. I don't know if you've ever talked to him. Yeah, I have. Yeah. And you know, the one thing that that I just want to bring up from an awareness standpoint is that when the county submits the budget and we submit the form for while yes, it calculates the tax levies, but we are at the max period. So we could submit a budget for $12 million even though we've only got 10 million coming in. And the DGF would approve it just provided we have enough money in the checking account, if you will, enough money in reserves because the other thing the DGF is the DGF just taking an 18month snapshot. That's what they're going to prove. They're not looking at sustainability. They're not looking at sustainability over the next three, you know, 1 3 5 10 year. We're just looking at July of 2024 or excuse me 25 to 1231 of 2026. So when we sub on an annual basis that be honest with you has really nothing to do with the tax rates because we are already at the max levy and the only thing that's going to change those taxes is the 4% growth quotient which is based off the last six year non non-farm payroll. So to me, you know, going forward, as we go forward, we've got to really pay attention to the this this, you know, this uh you know, where our expenses revenues are month to month to month to month to month and pay attention to this, you know, our 30-day reserve balances of where we are.

And if I can just add one thing to that uh to your point, um there's a big difference obviously between like an operating deficit or like a one-time deficit like a capital expenditure. Obviously, you never want to have an operating deficit. Say you hire a bunch more employees and all of a sudden there's a deficit of 200 grand and you're thinking, "Okay, well, we've got the cash." Well, that 200 grand is going to continue to decrease it versus like a one-time capital expenditure of 500 grand that you spend down with the understanding that the following year operations wise, you're fine. So, there's there's a big difference there that you want to keep in keep an eye on as far as an operating deficit versus something from, you know, onetime expenditure.

Jerry, would we speaking of sustainability, Jim, agree with you on that? They're not trying to help us. They they've let us spend every single penny we have in our bank accounts. Yep. Yep. Doesn't matter to them. And so, um, on that front, you know, could we get you've got some updated numbers it looks like on revenues. um could we get a multi-year forecast here kind of cash reserves and you make it maybe for our next work session just to look at hey what are we and I I'd love to see an actual 2425 and a projected 26 27 28 if things fund by fund

yeah I I can I can provide that um based off of our current financial plan the only thing that'll get a little tricky And um not to bring up

SA1 SE because there's some big changes there and as you know income tax is a big one depending on what you guys do. Um you know if you know Senate Real Act one stays the way it is which we have to treat it the way it is currently that muddies the waters in 2028. um with that understanding. Yes, we can like we can provide that which is what we are going to do. Um anyway, but like Jim and Patrick and sorry Judy um we're meeting Thursday um we're going to go over the WIS study. That's one of the things that we will keep in mind is is you know any changes is there going to be you know an operating deficit moving forward. So sorry I've been sick like the last week. I know Jim knows he we met last week but um and that's something that we're we have to provide to you guys when you guys are making decisions so you don't run into an operating deficit. Um, so we will have that information. Um, we're scheduled to come to the December 4th meeting to talk about the WIS so we can, you know, combine that with revenue projections for future years to show you guys kind of what that looks like.

Sorry. And then, and I don't know if it's Julie or or you guys that do the overspent, underspent account report, you know, where we've got accounts that are way over spent, accounts that are way under spent, so the council can have some visibility into the report. Yeah. We want to see that. Okay. Okay. And they keep in mind in defense of Rudy, they have to be able to extract the data out of the auditor's office to be able to prepare that report,

which they did send us financials. Um, we requested a final report. Um, or else I would had that for you guys for this meeting. We will have it to you guys this week. Um, because we just want to double check and and make sure, but we can provide that. which brings up a good um we can work together Julie on any you know over spent line items um because that's going to be a quick turnaround any additionals also that that you guys I know there's some on the docket um I mean you you guys have to I haven't in your in the gateway system there's additional appropriations in there also

um you guys have to you know advertise for that and you know you have to submit that stuff in Um, so as far as advertising before, you know, 10 days before the meeting and things like that, we're getting really close because it's towards the end of the year. So we want to make sure none of those deadlines sneak upon us because I know that there's some other areas where some funds need to be cleaned up. So we'll get together on that, make sure we don't miss, you know, anything there. Um, but that's something else to take into account. Can we shift the conversation for a second? Just get us a fund report too. Over spent under spent fund report in the multi-year projection. Yes.

Okay. Cool. Thank you. Go ahead. Talking about that. Jerry. Yes. Jerry. Mhm. Council members. Um we received a draft from Susan Beavers with regards to the salary ordinance. Yes. So, turn it over. Okay. Well, this is the question. You're the auditor. We're council. You are. The council is the one that has the statutory responsibility of approving the salary ordinance. You do. Correct.

So, you know, an issue is open up Excel. It's an Excel file for starters. Okay. And thinking I could go in and print it off. Well, I can't print it off because the way it's have it printed, the way it's formatted. Did you get it in the PDF? Okay. Well, I didn't get a PDF. I got an Excel spreadsheet. I guess my question is this is that you guys are municipal advisor, Susan Beavers, who drafted the salary ordinance. How do you go over and review that salary ordinance in order for us to make a to approve the first reading on December the 4th so that we can go in and audit that salary ordinance to make sure the thing is accurate?

Yep. nothing gets changed but what I'm asking is you know the senate of eyes you know what's the process for that because I think a counselor ought to be involved you know reading finance will ought to be involved obviously the auditor needs to be involved right we go and review that document because it's a lengthy document and it's going to take quite some bit of time to go through it to check the accuracy of it

several pages it's a lot of work pages I looked at today and I thought here we are December 4th right around the corner and how in the world do we go through and audit the document or we just do a Nancy Pelosi and approve it and we'll have to approve and see what's in Senate after we approve it. I don't think that would be the best working for you. How's that been working and it's a pretty exhaustive document. Julie, I don't know if you have the bandwidth to do that right now or if that makes sense for Jerry. I got weekends. I live here. Yeah, we'd be more than happy to look over it. And I think it would be good as long as you're available

for all like a small group, you know, to sit down so that we're all on the same page and, you know, we can we can go over ask any questions. I'd be more than happy to do that and schedule something. We just got to we've got a we're copy. I don't have a copy, so you have to send me one and then we'll just have to get something on the books. up. Would you be willing to kind of coordinate that? Yeah, that's fine. Let's get Teresa or a commissioner in there too. Just try not. So why? Well, it's interest who needs to be doing this.

Commissioner is our personnel. Okay. So, we will control all wages for the county. This is the salary ordinance. Yeah. So if we could kind of coordinate that and get with Susan because I sus probably be at that meeting I would think as well. 100%. Yeah. So Julia, if you when you send that if you send it to me and then I'll use that like that'll prompt me to reach what who's from like who all on the group like Julie and Susan but Jim Jim Jim and Jim maybe is that what we want like cuz I will send out

I'll coordinate with whatever group you guys decide on a meeting cuz obviously with another I don't know if you'd be open to this you know the county and season drive time up and drive time back cuz we get build for drive time. Um we could meet at your office and see more rather than us getting build to save a little bit of money. I do it on mine. You can drive charge mileage. Well, you can charge mileage. I won't charge mileage. I don't charge. I don't either. So

you just grow up in Seyore. So you guys can both she's been she's come to our office. So I don't think if if it's okay if you guys don't judge. Yeah, that's great. Who's all going to be there? Well, you can come too if you want. Anybody know somebody from the compensation community? Well, Jim, are you you and I are one, but one of the other ones probably a good one to be there. Patrick, you guys want to go? Well, the bottom line, we just need people that are going to be there that are confident with the data, that understand the data that knows what's in it. Okay? Because what you don't need to do is have somebody that's not familiar with the data and then have to spend a majority of time trying to explain what's in that document.

Yeah. I have one more question if that's Yeah, I think we should do that. Yeah.

So, we're done with that. Jerry, we've got a couple of these requests. Um, later in the budget or later in the agenda, you know, I think as a, you know, to Jim's point, we've got a little bit of a structural surplus, meaning our revenues are exceeding our expenses for 26. We're expecting that, not by much. We've got a a decent cash reserve at this point, but there are downward pressures ahead, especially with SP SP1. You know, should the council mindset be um one of trying to use outside revenues where possible such as the opioid funds to offset the burden on the general fund kind of intensely or help

just for one year? It would only be one Yeah, for one year there's kind of these one use funds like but should how aggressive should we be there based on what you're seeing here? I would always recommend if you are able to use funds or cash or whatever you want to say from funds that are very restricted in what they can be spent on but you have things that can be spent out of there. I would definitely spend them out of those funds versus the general fund because the general fund can be spent on anything. So, anytime you can use those funds versus the general fund, 100% I'd recommend doing that. Yeah, I like even more general opioid funds. One of those different Teresa that we were looking at. What's that?

I think it was just the opioid fund that we're doing. The two the restricted and unrestricted that would be the biggest ones. I mean, the only drawback is one times this meeting, right? If I'm needed, I after listening to their questions, I I'm I'm going to probably need your backup. Okay, that's fine. Sorry. Yeah. So, anyway, there's kind of an opportunity cost with those funds. I think they're intended to expand services for, you know, folks that need it. And so, we're using those funds for something that so there is a consideration there, but it it does sound like

obviously I would never recommend that if you can't legally do it, but you can 100% spend it out of those funds that are more restrictive in nature. Jesus Christ. Any questions? Nope. Thank you. Thank you guys. If he's going to stick around, do you want to stick around? Well, no. Want him to stay? Should we both? Are you sure? Okay. All right. He's been sick. I know. I feel bad. That's the only reason I was going to get out of here if you guys didn't need me. But I will stay 100%. They're just going to ask me questions that I don't have answers to, I'm sure. So, so you want support from them? I do want support from him. Seems like you're going to be okay. I don't know. Let's move fast then to get to

Are we Is it my turn? Next item is let's parks and wreck. That should take long. Correct. We discussed that plenty enough. Susan was going to draft an ordinance. It's actually in your folder. Which one? Should be. It's not 13. Oh crap. That it's in there. You'll have to read them. I don't remember which one that's got attached to it. I am grant you water. I did. I forgot about that one. Oh, so it's in here. It's on one of those. It's on one of those. Yeah. Transfer.

If you look, she's on with us. And she can tell me what number that was that you put um Sparks and Rex stuff where they're going to be redoing. Yeah. For their um My recollection is that you had not advertised that yet for the tower. That's all been So it's going to be taken out of December 4th possibly then. All right then. Is that what you're suggesting, Susan? Right. It so the appropriation I don't think we can get before November or I'm sorry December. Okay. I move we take

we're talking about creating a nonreversing. We can do that. That's already done. Oh, we yeah dealt with that and it didn't need to be we've already got the dollar agreement. Yeah, we already so I move we table this and advertise for the December 4th meeting which we can make decisions in. It looks like that's one already done. So to clarify what we have we have the fund established the non-reverting fund established the money the current money being collected is up is being put into that fund. It is. Now the only thing left to do is reimburse for the money that had not been accounted for. That is correct. The money that was put into the general fund that should have went into the non-reserved

and that's a new appropriation or a transfer in the amount of 30,333. Yeah. That's a new appropriation, right? Not a transfer. It's transfer. Well, it's a transfer. Transfer. We're going to advertise a transfer. I'll amend my motion. Your motion is it's an appropriation. Okay, I'll believe you. It's an appropriation. So, I'll read amend it. State again. Motion to table advertise appropriation for December 4th meeting or whatever appropriate notice needs to happen per Julie and Susan. Second. Anyone? Second.

Seconded. All in favor? I. Darren, yes. Judy, yes. Scott, yes. Gary, yes. Yes. Joel, yes. Jim, yes.

Mr. President, I got a thing to add. Uh at our last special session meeting, we you know I handed each and every one of you a copy of a email that I'd received from the Indiana State Board of Accounts. In that email, it stated specifically that the commissioners sort of created an ordinance specifically for this non-reverting fund that you created that we're going to appropriate this money out of the general fund into. Teresa sent me an email that you had found some meeting minutes. Meeting minutes and

for the commissioners, okay, in order our meeting minutes, you all can do whatever you want. Uh but I would highly recommend that the commissioners pass an ordinance, okay, that speaks specifically to how this money is to be spent. Period. Okay? We should not loosey goosey go by meeting minutes. That's not the correct way to do it. The right way to do it is to create an ordinance, have the commissioners pass it, and then get it recorded, and then that way 10 years from now, we hopefully won't have any issues with this because that's really what we're trying to solve for in the future. Noted.

Thank you. Good. Thank you, Jim. Any else on parks and wreck? Next item, new business. Teresa, dog tax appeal ordinance, current funds. Well, should we jump down to the additional appropriation section so that he can He's sniffling over here and make me feel bad. Should we move around? Is that allowed? Good. I I think that's a good idea. Fine, let's do it. Okay. Um, well, I've presented this twice now. The first meeting last month, I gave you all the sheets and I was at your special session and detailed your things. So, I guess I'm at your mercy in your questions at this point.

Nothing to discuss by No, there's nothing. You have an ordinance prepared to where we can read it and pass it. It's right there. Gary, have you got an ordinance? Order until we sorted through. I'm looking for the last says council bill number 16. I know. There it is. And does that include everything that's on here? Nice job. 17 might be right here. Let me see. And this is all for 2025 direct way. Correct.

My my question on this too is the money of these that I asked to be transferred from 24 to 20 that were supposed to be transferred to 25. Do you want me to do the one of those encumbrance sheets that Yeah.

This is a trick. This is 9 g. Did you put it in here? Are you sure, Julie? Not that long. Look to see what it says number. That's 17. There should be a number 16 in here. It's a onepage document. 16 is a onepage. Oh, here it is. But it didn't look like it's got special solid waste on top of it. This is council bill 16. Solid waste general fund. So, you got it all in one. Yeah. Okay. Okay, this is what Susan usually does. All right, we'll throw you in the mix. Phil,

look, Phil. We're coming coming his own up there, too, to be to be done. What? He's got two of his own that needs to be signed. Correct. Um, he I think we got something from you last meeting on those. Okay. Would you Are you ready for a motion? You want to read it?

Read it. Yeah, I'll read it. Additional appropriation ordinance 2025 number 11-17-002 council bill number 16 where it has been determined that is not necessary to appropriate more money than was appropriate in the annual budget. Therefore, section 1 be resolved by the county council of Brown County, Indiana that the expenses of the tax year, the following additional sums of money are hereby appropriated out of the funds named and for the purposes specified subject to laws governing the same. First one, solid waste management fund 8210 line number 30,000 other services and charges 9,239. That's the total for 8210. General fund 1,000 line number 20,000 supplies $26,000 line 30,000 other services and charges $13,500. Total for general fund 1000 is $139,500. cumulative capital development fund 1138. Line number 30,000 other services and charges $9477. Total from 1138 is $9,477.

She has them all added together. Look all right. Mostly I mean if if this 148,976 is the total of all these obviously that won't just come from the general fund only the sense there's a couple there's a couple in there from a different fund. Yeah. So Phil's has his own funds. Yeah. So yeah. So that's a hit on the cash balance on the general fund. Teresa, am I right? There's nothing you can do to I mean this is like I moved everything around and I mean I know that I'm going I'm not going to use all of these dollars but I can't give you numbers as to what

go on the record of what you're not going to do with if you have extra months. There was one that you said the gas doesn't go over you could return those. Right. Yes. If the the fuel money I'm confident is not going to be 26,000 cuz I'm getting ready to build highway department for 47. So that's going to knock that down. Um, and the uh what was the other one? Insurance liability. I'm still working it. I will explain more that. And any anything that's left, you're not going to spend it on something else, you're going to No, because all of these lines are the same. If I wanted to move the cash around from that 26,000 for oil, I'd have to have your permission because it's a different account line. All right. Would you take a motion?

Yes. Um, I move we pass additional preparation ordinance 2025 111702 council bills number 16. So you second anyone second made and seconded. Any discussion? Take a vote. Darren, yes. Judy, yes. Scott, yes. Gary, yes. Patrick, yes. Joel, yes. Jim, yes. Thank you. I'm good. Two readings. That's an order.

Two readings. Yeah. Title only and the whole thing. Title only is fine. Just total amounts. Okay. Total amounts. Additional. I'll get the amounts.

All right. Additional appropriation ordinance 2020 A5 number 11-17-002 council bill number 16 uh solid waste fund 8210 total is 9239 general fund 1000 total is 139,500 cumulative capital development fund 1138 the total is 9477 I think this is you got it I think they're split up right Yes. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Is that Susan? Yep. You need a motion and a second and a second. Do we need a motion to suspend rules first?

Yes. Okay. I make a motion to suspend rules requiring a second meeting where we had a second reading after a unanimous second. Taylor roll call. Darren, yes. Judy, yes. Scott, yes. Gary, yes. Patrick, yes. Joel, yes. Yes. Okay. I have a second uh motion. Second. Wait, did you get suspended? Somebody suspended. So, we don't have to make the second. Yeah.

Well, we have still have to do a second reading, but we don't require a second meeting to do that. Okay. To approve the second reading. So, now we need now we need the motion to approve it. To approve it, secondar

Darren. Hi, Judy. Yes, Scott. Hi, Karen. Yes, Patrick. Yes. Jeff. Yes. Jim. Yes. See you, Jerry. Thanks, Jerry. Careful. Phil, you all right? See you. Are you good? Phil, right? Phil's done. See you, Phil. Yeah. Okay. No question. No. No. You're good. No. Thanks, everybody. Yeah. Thank you. Hey, Phil. You couldn't give me a pizza, did you?

Thanks, guys.

ETA. Oh, yeah. Okay. Are we Gary? Do we need to wait for your council person to come back? Yeah, this goal is coming. Do you want to Gary, while we're in additional preparation mode, do you want to get this EMA kind of got the procedure down? Let's suspend the rules and you want to just 17. Let's do that.

Yeah. All right. Here it is. Uh, read the resolution. Okay. Yeah, there's resolution number 2025-11-17-003, council building number 17, a resolution authorizing the audit to transfer certain Brown County budget funds into certain budget categories of Brown County, Indiana. Whereas Brown County has budgeted certain amount of funds that are used for general emergency management purposes of Brown County. And whereas the certain funds described in exhibit A which is attached here to and incorporated here and are in need of various transfers in order to continue their intended purpose and operations. And whereas the county council of Brown County, Indiana now desires to authorize the auditor to transfer said funds into set accounts. All is further described in exhibit A. Now it be resolved by the council of Brown County, Indiana. Section one, the county council hereby authorizes the auditor to make all transfers as described in exhibit A and executed them in a timely manner. Section two, this resolution shall be effective and in full force from and after its passage, all as by law provided. Exhibit A is county council fund movement request. Meeting date is today. County Office Emergency Management amount request at $476.16 from Fund 9108 Duke Emergency Services Grant. two funds 9131 EMA incident command $202 80 fund 871 EMA security TF $2.78 fund number 8787875 water rescue $453.36 Reason for request previous EMA accounts left in the red intend to pay them down

to clear off these off the books. Uh Susan, we've got a I do you I don't know if you've seen a copy of this. It's a resolution to do this. She made it. Yep. I prepared that. Okay, good. So, we should be in good shape there. So, we just need a motion. Do we need to read this one twice and suspend the rules? It's a resolution. It's just one. Okay. I move when you're if you're ready for a motion. Take a motion. Move we pass resolution number 2025 111-7-03 council bill number 17. Seconded

Sandy. We just made a motion to pass the EMA resolution grant resolution reading. Yes. Going to order, Mr. President. Yes, sir. How can a member that didn't hear anything vote on it? Yeah, he's Well, I guess could you have to Susan, does he have to hear the reading of that ordinance to vote on it? Darren, just step back in. He can abstain from this one. Okay. Yeah, good point. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, so you abstain. Darren, yes. Judy, yes. Scott, yes. Gary, yes. Patrick,

Joel, yes. Okay, Teresa is smiling. Either we're not doing something right or we're doing something really right. I can't tell which is very

dog tax repeal. Okay. Oh, we got to do this. Are we ready? Yeah, let's repeal it. Don't you have to do this vote again? Yeah. Gary's looking for the resolution. Okay. Oh, so it's my resolution. It's an old deal. It's an ordinance. It says ordinance. Do we have a You have the witness, Gary. The one you just did. Talking about the dogs. Yeah, that's an ordinance. We got a repeal. It is not. I did not see it in there. Susan, do we have a repeal ordinance for that dog tax? Yes, it was sent to Julie

and it was in that put a number on it. That's repairs and maintenance. Okay. So the while you're doing that, the second question on that was the funds currently in that in the dollars in that fund. Um I I actually have some questions myself on it. Um the the fines and fees in that Julie

and the dog tax money we paid in m in June we paid 648. What what are those? We pay those every year. Is that because of the ordinance that's currently in place? So if the ordinance goes away that goes away. Okay. So that would be so there wouldn't be any any spending out of that fund. See what I'm saying? I wanted to make sure that if we did away with the ordinance, we weren't going to get stuck with a bill that had to go someplace else. And she just answered that question. Finding the dog. I'll go find it. Uh yeah. Or we'll push it if you want.

Can you Susan, can you tell me which thing it is? Which county bill? We still council bill 15. 15. You can go ahead and do something. Okay. I'll be back in just a second. All right. What else you got, Teresa? Let's move. Okay. So, that was the current funds. Currently, there is $11,000 in there, but you have not paid. Um, we have to do for extension and things and get that cleared out. So, that's going to be something that it's not my fun, not not a You lost me, Teresa. Sorry. Where where are you? I'm in the dog tax right now. Who's in the dog tax? There's $11,667 in there currently.

Um I do not know what the auditor's office has paid yet as far as splitting out for Purdue extension and the rest of the money for uh humane society. So that is going to that's not a me thing. I'm just trying to get rid of the ordinance. So, additionally, we'll need to do a transfer. Yes. Once we figure out where we are or pay pay it out just be paying it out. You want to Can we skip to that opioid thing? Yes, we can. That's next. Um, yeah.

So, I presented the case in your work session. Um, what questions do you have? I think Jerry spoke up and said the same thing. If you have the funds to use to help relieve your general fund, it would help relieve the sheriff's budget. I was gonna say because the sheriff is currently paying for Melissa, right? Correct. So, why not go ahead and use those funds to pay her until we don't have those funds anymore. Right. And if you use the funds, you can handle paying all of her salary and benefit for 20 six. Now, the money that you get in 26 for 27 spending, it's not going to be that much. It's probably going to be more like $11,000, but you could still

supplement it. Supplement it so that it's not hitting the sheriff's fund as bad, but it would relieve him this year or 26 is this year in my brain. Right. And it has to be used for hope. Yes. And and she qualifies from my understanding in the past. Yes. And the other portion would be for the centerstone minimum. portion is in the commissioner's budget. We have um center stone that we have to pay. So it would relieve what you would be giving the commissioners in out of the general fund for 26. And again, you have the money in there for 26, but you wouldn't have that same amount for 27 or 41.

We don't have to make a decision on that this evening. I that's up to you. I'm just telling you this is an option that you have. I understand that. But I think that this this kind of this opioid monies conversation perhaps we can table that until we have the meeting with Susan Beavers and we discuss well and remember that those are commissioner funds too. So the spending in them right there's commissioner funds point. I'm just saying it out loud. I don't know. Okay. I don't know what that has to do with anything. I don't either tell this to you. So correct before we arbitrarily just doing okay with you. Yeah.

Yeah. No, this again is just giving you the information. This is just another option. Right. But let's Yeah, let's table that. We don't need to make a decision on that yet. All right. Correct. Moving on to blanket bonds. Um we got that ordinance ready? Yeah. Right here. Yep. 13. Right. Go ahead. Yeah. Can we just read that?

Ordinance number 202511-11-17-001 council bill number 13 ordinance for establishing a blanket shity bond. Whereas IC 5-4-1-5.1 requires the establishment of a shity bond for the faithful performance of the duties of all employees, commission members, and persons acting on behalf Brown County. And whereas the Brown County Council is determined to have individual shy bonds for the following Brown County officials, auditor, treasurer, sheriff, clerk, and other elected or appointed officials required or recommended to have an individual shy bond by either the Indiana code or the Indiana State Board of Accounts. And whereas IC5-4-1-18B allows Brown County to establish a blanket shity bond to cover such faithful performance and include aggregate coverage sufficient to cover all officers, employees or persons acting on behalf of Brown County. And whereas the Brown County Council believes it is in the best interest of Brown County to establish a blanket shy bond to cover all officers, employees, or persons who are not covered with under an individual shy bond. Now therefore, be it ordered by the county council of Brown County, Indiana, as follows. Section one, Brown County Council authorizes the Brown County Commissioners to establish a blanket bond to cover the faithful performance of all appropriate officials, employees, commission members, and persons acting on behalf of Brown County. Section two, the shity bond amounts will be in the amount established by IC5-4-1-18 or amounts higher as recommended by the State Board of Accounts and authorized by the Brown County Council. Section three, the Brown County Council may establish shy bond amounts higher than the state minimums if they determine it is in the best interest of Brown County. Section four, all prior ordinances or

parts thereof inconsistent with any provision of this ordinance are hereby repealed. Section five, this resolution shall be effective and in full force from and after its passage all as provided by law adopted by the council this 17th day of November 2025. question. Question for Susan. Um, aside from the kind of cleaning this up and and being a little bit more comprehensive in the way we administer those because it's it's challenging to track bonds per individual, I think that's part of what we're trying to do here. Maybe save some money, maybe not.

Well, let me give you an example on that note. So, currently what you're spending is this is your overkill, okay? Your $1.3 million is what you you have in bond right now. What you should have in this blanket is $220,000. That's over a million dollars overkill in the bonds. Well, and that was kind of my question actually for Susan is it's my concern too is are we reducing coverage and and if we are is that number the state minimum or you know is there a number you you know because there's a lot seemingly happening right now it's very latigious world unfortunately and so we don't

I can tell you in 30 years you have never you've never made a claim against a bond. Okay to just ask the question I mean are we any advice there for us? I mean, we're reducing our coverage, it sounds like, down to what, Teresa? It's a blanket bond, so it's a $220,000 for all employees. Mhm. Okay. Susan, any thoughts on that?

Yeah, I mean, I certainly think that if you're at a million dollars of essentially um inappropriate use of dollars, you're you're a little over covered there. And especially if you've never used if you've never made a claim on these bonds, I I don't see why your insurance representative would would tell you to to do more than the blanket bond. Yeah. If if an employee covered by the bond is only handling, you know, seeing seeing the uh the transfer of $20,000 a year, there's no sense. There's not even that much lower. I mean this is just just taking the amounts down to appropriate an appropriate level instead of

and don't forget you still have your major players according to the state of what has to be covered separately. So like auditors by herself, clerk is by herself, sheriff is by herself and treasures by herself. Thank you. We're not eliminating those. They're handling millions. These 44 people that are on this 220 are the That answer my question. Okay, good off. Okay. Ready for a motion or I'll make one. You're ready. Take a motion. Move we approve council bill number 13. Second.

Second. All right. Sandy. Daring. Yes. Judy. Yes. Scott. Yes. Gary. Yes. Patrick. Yes. Joel. Yes. Jim. Yeah. Yes. Once again, this is two readings because it's an ordinance, but you can do the second reading by title only. Motion to suspend the rules after unanimous vote to approve the ordinance on a second reading and sing. Second, Sandy. Okay. I'm not sped right in person. Darren, yes. Judy, yes. Scott,

yes. Gary, yes. Patrick, yes. Joel, yes. Jim, yes. Okay. Ordinance number 2025-11-17-001, Council Bill number 13, Ordinance for establishing blanket shity bond. A motion. Motion, please. Move to approve council bill number 13. Second. Okay. Darren, yes. Judy, yes. Scott, yes. Gary, yes. Patrick, yes. Joel, yes. Jim, yes.

Okay. Okay. You want to go for dog tags? Back to dog tags. 15. Are we losing? I think they did. You say it's 006. You think, Julie? Yes, I think it should be.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Next ordinance is number 2025-11-17-006, council bill number 15, an ordinance repealing an ordinance establishing county option dog dog attacks. Whereas Brown County has previously passed an ordinance which ordinance is known as ordinance 11-20-06-01 and was passed on November 20th, 2006. And where is the Brown County Council now wishes to repeal such ordinance now be it ordained by the Brown County Council? Section one, ordinance 11-20-6-1 is hearing after repealed effective immediately. Section two, the repeal of ordinance shall be communicated with the Brown County Humane Society. Section three, all prior ordinances or parts thereof inconsistent with any provision of this ordinance are hereby repealed. Section four of this ordinance shall be in full force and effect from and after passage and publication all as by law provided adopted this 17th day of November 2025. Make a motion.

Was that number 15? Yes sir. Motion to approve 15 second council. Okay. Darren, yes. Judy, yes. Scott, yes. Gary, yes. Yes. Joel, yes. Jim, yes. Okay. Darren, you want to suspend? Uh, I make a motion to suspend the rules requiring a second reading of a separate meeting after unanimous. Second. Second. Darren, yes. Judy, yes. Scott, yes.

Gary, yes. Patrick, yes. Joel, yes. Jim, yes. Ah, by title lonely. Title lonely. Ordinance number 2025-11-17-006 council bill number 15. An ordinance repeating repealing an ordinance establish a county option dog tax. Take a motion.

Motion to approve council 15. Second anyone second. I'm sorry. Just a second. Stop me. Okay. Jim, yes. Joel, yes. Patrick, yes. Gary, yes. Scott, yes. Judy, yes. Darren, yes. Thank you. You're I think I'm done, right? That's all I need. Bye, Teresa. Have a good evening.

Yes. Okay. Next one on the agenda's council meeting schedule for next year. Aren't we doing this something? Uh, no, we didn't. It's on the agenda in that order and I was supposed to do that. I have been threatened. I'm sorry. No, no. You're fair fair game, but whatever. Are we just doing the same thing? First Thursday of the month. We're going to make every meeting every meeting including our work sessions votable just in case something comes up we're available to do and don't have to scramble. Okay, fine. Does that mean you want does that mean minutes also? You have to sign it. We have to sign it. Yes. Minutes. We got YouTube videos.

So you don't want minutes for YouTube videos. Okay. So do we vote on that? accept these. Are we required to take minutes of our on a county meeting? Work session meetings because it's a vote. Do we have to take minutes on it? Yes, it's a voting meeting. Susan's still here. She may have left already. And Julie is correct. Okay. Minutes. Uh we approve this schedule of meetings for next year.

Okay. So it's the first Thursday of the month for the special session. Third Monday of the month for regular meeting unless unless a holiday put something in right and we're going to be able to vote. Yes. Great. Somebody make a motion. Well, you haven't made anything tonight.

Okay. Second. Second. Good. Good. All right. Okay. Darren, yes. Judy, yes. Scott, yes. Gary, yes. Patrick, yes. Joel, yes. Jim,

yes. Okay. Next item is council bill number 14 which is ordinance number 2025-11-7-0000. an ordinance adopting county of Brown Indiana job classification system. Whereas the county of Brown, Indiana is an equal opportunity employer and whereas it is the intent of Brown County, Indiana to comply with applicable federal and state of Indiana employment laws and regulations. And whereas Indiana code 36-2-5-3 section 3A establishes that the county fiscal body shall fix the compensation of officers, deputies, and other employees whose compensation is payable from the county general fund, county highway fund, county health fund, county park and recreation fund, aviation fund, or any other fund for which the county auditor issues warrants for compensation. This includes the power to one, fix the number of officers, deputies, and other employees. two, describe and classify positions and services. Three, adopt schedules of compensation. And four, hire or contract with persons to assist in the development of compensation. And whereas Brown County contracted with a professional human resources consulting firm to assist the council describe and classify county positions, develop compensation schedules, and conduct fair labor standards act reviews. And whereas the council desires to use the job descriptions to classify do classify positions and services, develop new compensation schedules, and to verify and document compliance with various government regulations, including but not limited to the Fair Labor Standards Act, Family and Medical

Leave Act, and the American with Disabilities Act. And now therefore, be ordained by the County Council of Brown County, Indiana as follows. Section one, the factor evaluation system fees of job classification is hereby adopted including the job category designation and classification level of each position. Section two, all prior ordinances or parts thereof inconsistent with any provision of this ordinance are hereby repealed. Section three, this resolution shall be effective in full force from and after its passage. All is provided by law. adopted by the council this 17th day of November. Make a motion.

I want a motion that we uh table this subject until until further notice.

Any discussion? Second. Just for discussion purposes. I re that so we can table it. Yeah. Well, I don't know. Just so we can discuss. I mean any discussion? It's been motion made and seconded. Any discussion? So, we going to we want to discuss this at our fourth meeting until we have our until we have our December 4th meeting. Okay. And see what the outcome of that meeting is. Okay. And then once we to me once we have a clearer vision of where we're headed, we can set on top of this and then once you all make a decision, then we can come back and pass that. Okay. I can live with that. Yeah. I think we got the cart before the horse. Motion made and seconded. Sandy, you want to go? Darren, yes. Judy,

yes. Scott, yes. Gary, yes. Patrick, yes. Joel, yes. Yes. Okay. I don't have to read it yet. Good. All right. Hey, we're almost done. Yay. All right. Next item is Circuit Court. Mary Wartz. request $6,000 for for psychiatric service for the council 1,000- or 10,00299 0232 from county general 1000 I think she was already put into that one you already um

yeah I think she already was added to the one that you've already done so you're good with her did I did I hear you correctly this is secondary services for council members Yes, that sounds cheap to me.

Yeah, I was going to say 50 grand that you said that out loud. Next item, prosecutor 10 Adams requests $9,50 out of fund 8897 for bonuses for his staff. I just reached out to Ted to see if he was going to make it. He's in his office, it sounds like, but uh requested we maybe table this. I know there's a couple questions that we can ask. Maybe I reach out to Ted. It's too big. Yeah, we're and I'm trying to recall what I have from details on that. Could you email that to

Is this a change for anything else you sent us before? Because we some of that information previously. Okay. But he wants table. He can come to our second is not a change. All right. Motion made table. Anybody second? Seconded. Second. Go ahead. Okay. Darren, yes. Judy, yes. Scott, yes. To table it. Gary, yes. Patrick, yes. Joel, yes. Jim, yes. Got motion Dar and second. All right, I think that's all we've got. Let's motion to adjourn. Anything else?

Wow, that was Kevin. I see you back there. I assume you're not just here for your health like Gary is, but uh you need something or Nope. Just there for my health. I have absolutely nothing else to do this. That's right. Good lord. Wow, that was scary. This is a lie, but Yeah. Okay, Jim made a motion. Anyone want to second it? Uh do we need

No. Okay. And uh just as a pointed out u we are going to be having the uh board members submit and Dwayne has submitted for the alcohol board again. So that's good. Appreciate that very much. What's your what's your schedule for that? Probably by the end of the year. It's point by the end of the year or you're going to they're advertised now. Yeah, we're advertising now. What what positions are open? Uh there are I got it here. Just a second. Attach my desk, too.

Okay. We've got the uh alcohol beverage board, one-year term. One appointment for the li library board, four-year term. Three appointments for the tourism commission, two-year term. One appointment for Brown County Regional Sewer District, four-year term. One appointment for Peter Boa, one-year term. Two appointments for Brown County Redevelopment Commission, one-year term. You're going to send Did you send this all out out to all of us? Can't remember. I might not have. I thought I did, but I didn't apparently. Send it to everybody. Can I see that? You got

to send it to them. All right. All right. Let's go on. This This is boiler plate. We're not journed yet. All applications must submit their resume and or letter of interest to the county auditor hon or before 400 pm on January 16th, 2026 and attend a meeting on January 20th at 5:30 p.m. in the salmon room. Applicants will be asked to briefly speak to their interest and qualifications. Applicants may be appointed at the January 20th meeting or the February 17th meeting. Individuals interested in being considered for appointment may obtain further information from the county auditor. Like soon enough. Soon enough.

I thought you said before the year. No, we changed it. Apparently was wrong. This is more accurate. Thank you. All right. Can I see that page for about one and a half seconds? So they have to submit by January what? 16th or believe that the is that the Thank you. Yeah. Verify the date 16th. Yeah. January 16th.

Okay. Motion to secondar.

Yes. Judy. Yep. Scott. No. No. Yes. Patrick. Yes. Joel. Yes. Jim. Yes.

Everybody sign everything.