Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

and um it won't uh it'll be if they come back they'll have to reapply for a new uh um application. So go ahead and remove that. John, just real so everyone's uh information they uh there's a couple different uh just remember they were basically we're going to build a parsonage and so residential and that zoning district requires a conditional use permit. Um, essentially they couldn't find a uh uh they were going to use a kind of a pull together house. I guess they couldn't find one yet that had that can meet city codes as far as building. So, they're just going to wait and explore their options. Okay. Okay. Sounds good. Thank you. Thank you, Doug. All right. Nobody else has questions on that one. And uh we're going to continue on uh number two, which is a continuation of the public hearing for a conditional use of Sunst Solar LLC uh for a solar project industrial ezoning located on Canal Road near ADM entrance. Um Bill, I think you were uh going to come up and talk about the uh if the changes or the concerns that the uh residents had nearby. Um I would like to ask if you could uh um talk about some of the changes that you would be willing to propose or or make. Yeah. So when I was last here, there were some questions about uh setbacks and about you know just the viability and how solar works. Um so I have had some conversations uh with the adjoining neighbors uh specifically with uh Milosa. We emailed back and forth a few things. And so from that, what we've done is we've taken the entire site that we're going to use and we've split it to the west as far as we can go to. We're starting to bump up to the wetlands on the west side, which now gives 150T buffer from their property line to the fence. And as you recall, your ordinance

is 50 ft from the property line to the panel. So wouldn't even be closer. My point I'm making is that we're now three times plus further set back uh when ordinance requires and in addition then we'll preserve that existing buffer of the existing vegetation there uh and not be pumping into that and so that'll act as a buffer. So again 150 ft you know football field distance away. Um in addition I've also met with Mr. I'm talk uh talking about uh what could possibly be done with the balance of the property. I think we have some very good uh robust candid discussions. It's a long process. I don't think you we're not going to be able to solve it right away. Uh but we're open to the idea. We just need to work out how the details work in that and whether it's viable for both of us and and how we how we manage there. Um we did have the cultural resources study. Um it was updated when we first did the pl the uh plan. Uh it's very simple. It's a very straightforward process, but the IDNR has changed their requirements. So we had to have our guys go back out there and do a much more thorough investigation. Uh there are still two sites that we're going to avoid completely. Uh but they're recommending uh that the IDR or excuse me that the IHPA and I said IDNR before but I meant IHBA uh will grant approval. There wasn't much they found. There's an old farmstead a few artifacts but nothing that they thought was culturally significant. Um but yes um uh I hope that the plans that I've resubmitted meet with your approval. They've been tweaked a little bit. I think we've uh we've done what we can uh to address the questions that came up the meeting last week or last month and uh really I think we pushed it as far to the west as we

can and provide a national existing. Okay. Thank you. Um Tom, we did close out the public portion of the uh hearing, but I would like to ask you since you seem to be the representative of most of the people there, uh is there anything that you seem to be uh okay with or do you want to step up and talk real quick? I'm the developer at Heritage Harbor. Um following this last public hearing um we met with the advisory board of the resort association um we communicated as best we can with everyone who had concerns. Mr. French did come out and spent the better part of a half a day with us and and going over everything and touring the site. Um he alluded to the fact that there were some discussions or maybe continuing discussions about how the balance of the property might be used and to clarify that it would not be for any exclusive use or ownership by here in the charter but would be potentially a donation to a public body either conservation foundation or the community foundation here or to the city if it wants it for a public park. But I think that it is a sufficiently sized parcel that we should give some consideration to that and um I think it's it's kind of a left alone on its own island of land there and it would be nice to to see it used in some productive way for recreation in the future. So, um I think other than that um we've our concerns have been satisfied as we've said before um this um this property is zoned industrial already and we know that somebody much

worse could go there and I think that probably the interest of conservation I think as long as the city enforces all of its ordinances and sure of what it's doing realizing that this is a a new endeavor for the city of Ottawa I think we can continue to support the project. So, thank you, Tom. And by the way, thank you for members of this plan commission for getting in contact with me and kind of making sure that everything was headed in the right direction. So, thanks. Thanks to you members. You're welcome. Okay. Um any questions on the uh board as far as uh uh this particular um petition? Um, I think we can uh I think at this point I do have a question because Mr. hasn't communicated with us. I've asked the whole east side. I've asked him on four occasions to give me something about safety and I cannot get it from him. I have four sources that say 500T for my grandid. They're still developing. All right. Um, I need you to get I'm sorry if we have to do this formerly. If you want to get up and and speak real quick. We did close out the public forum and I'm just going to ask you guys uh there is the the next portion of this goes to the city. We're just a recommendation and the city actually has the final say of it. So even what we we vote on doesn't have any legal binding besides it's a recommendation. So if there is concerns after the hearing then please make sure you you schedule yourself to the city. Could I could I request that you reopen the public hearing? Here's why. Yeah. The city cannot Yeah. This is the public discussion period here. So, we would have to do that. We cannot entertain any new evidence. Okay. At the council, right? Everything that we can only entertain what happens here. So, if somebody comes to the council meeting and brings up something new, we can't entertain it. Okay. So, I would ask that

you allow anybody to speak if they want to. Okay. I'll make a motion to reopen the public comment period. Second. That would actually be great for us. We actually have some changes on our property. The address that you have for 2046 was under Austin Gray. Austin Gray was a deceased family member to my husband. So, it's been changed. We have a new deed listed with my husband. The man who was here is not here today. He got burnt real bad today. He couldn't make it. The little sister is on the deed. She's here as well as my youngest child is here. My children are going to inherit this property in the future. Sorry, I I I don't interrupt you, but we have to make sure we make the motion before we open up the public period. So, I've made the motion and Debbie has seconded. We just need to make sure that we vote. Yeah, I'm sorry. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt. We have to make sure we reopen it. That's okay. Those who approve say I. I. Those who oppose say no. Okay. I'm sorry. Yeah. Sorry. So, there was contact between Mr. French and I. I had actually got up the next day and finally had times to open this huge plan that was given to us when we were leaving. It was never given to us while we were here. and I remember the presentation. So I I messaged Mr. French and I said, "Is there a reason, well, you didn't mention anything but 90 foot from our property line and he explained to me that the end of our property line is a different property owned by Joey Brewer and it is, but ours is down there also." So I think that the cultural report, I'm not sure if anybody who read it, it's very misleading. We don't live in Napely. It says that in there, too. Most of the pictures that were taken by the team that did this cultural study, the addresses are incorrect for the pictures that were taken, especially the property up front. There's two lots there that are owned by Joey Brewer and ours goes to the side of it. So on the next morning when I asked Mr. French, "Why are you 25 foot from our property line down on Canel Road when I was I thought the zoning was 50?" He explained to me that it was an oversight and that that

was because it's their property, not mine. And it is ours. So, I brought a picture which I had sent to him and I explained to him I got that from city hall. We were going to put a permit for a fence. So, I got it from you guys. It was a photo and he explained to me basically for the next day that that was somebody else's property. So, we stopped to speak. I did change the deed information and got a hold of Mr. French and said, "Hey, just want to let you know the property is no longer under Austin Gray." He messaged back and said that he he wanted to know where the property was. I explained where and I explained that I still would like to get some sources of how safe this is because of our change. He said that he was moving the His answer was, "We are moving the project 150 foot from your property. There is no justification for 500t." But 48 hours later, I opened up the Daily Times to read that this place county board was just in Springfield. They want their zoning changed 500 ft. There is a property at stake here, 2048. It's not in the city of Ottawa. I have a property in LE County. So, I messaged him back and stated, "I'm sorry that you feel that there's no justification, but I have four sources today, all legit, recent, and he sent me some information from 2017 with data in it from 2005. I have actually not heard back from him when I explained to him that I have a daughter with autism and that autism is really mattering. If I wouldn't have questioned his cultural study, I would not know that I actually live on a huge historic piece of property. The man who invented Marcel's in 1835 lived on my property. And the two gentlemen that built the east side of Ottawa, because we're supposed to be historic in this town, Campbell and Green both lived at my house. So, the house that he found is a seven-year-old school from the

Flemings. Nathan Fleming's family is very popular here. Very popular. I actually had called Heritage two days later when I found out all my information about the property to speak to the man Tom who's here and let him know what I found. And I could tell by the fact that I never got no phone call back that I wasn't going to get anywhere. So I feel like the only one asking for 500 is myself, my husband, his sister who may live there in the next 70 years when she's still alive. I mean now that we're 150 foot, we are not we are now 190 from our well system. the water that we drink. I mean, we're putting metal in the ground for the next 30 years. He mentioned he was going to spray chemicals. 500 foot means no chemicals on my property. 500 foot means no noise. I'm hoping these things are loud. I would like to ask for a gyer counter if it's that big of a deal. You know how much radiation is coming into my children's lives. At the very end of our house, we have telephone calls. We breathe creassol every day and it's carcinogen. and it's going to give us cancer. But we don't say anything because we want to live there. We want to be happy. So if he can go 500t, that is what we're requesting. My husband has a lot of photos for you. We have water where we shouldn't have water. So Mr. French has done drain tiles back in December and he's pitched it to our house. So my husband would like to show you guys some photos if you guys would like to look at and they're from the last 30 days. Sure. Well, come see. I have them all the way up until April 27th. I've been out there for 20 something years. I've never had water this bad till he was out there in December taking three different I'll give you all of them. Why don't you start? Why don't you go ahead and start down here and then we can work. They're all dated. I got three different piles. They're all dated on the back. Some I used to ice skate out there. That's how bad it used to be. Got water freeze. Now it's twice as bad. Now it's on my property cuz you dug bunch of lines in

the field. Can you just maybe explain exactly what the pictures show? No water all that that's out there. So you're saying that the water levels have increased in this property because of the development next year? Yeah. Oh yeah. Show November where they took the pictures. The November pictures are from the cultural study that Mr. Frank had done. All these all this water is leeched all the way over to my property over here. You can see the pipes from the old pump station. They had a a pump station out there for us. Uh material service. Mhm. I don't know where that I don't have that. That was a transfer station. My grandfather used to work on it. They transfer water from there. It's in a different pile. Maybe different pictures. The pipes are still in the ground. Don't think so. The county come out to a building now is the transfer station's gone now, but the pipes are still sticking out. utilities. It has water. Yeah. Yeah. We will we will have an opportunity. Have you come back? [Music] So, just so that I have a basic sort of cornerstone here, your fundamental concern is the health risks to having it located near you. I mean, we can debate all day long about this footage or the distance, but the concern is the So, your concern is radiation exposure, exposure, noise levels, chemicals, and contaminated water. Should I assume that those are your four concerns? Yeah. When I looked up the autism stuff with my granddaughter years ago, we have thought for years, everybody has that EMS are the cause of autism. Our autism in this county right now is 1 in 31 kids. It was one in 150 years. I just want to make

sure though again I understand those concerns, but those are ancillary. I just want to make sure that we understand that the fundamental concerns that you have are health risks. And those health risks would be radiation exposure, cancer, the noise levels it generates, and the chemicals used. Well, clearly our first issue is the water. We really don't want water on our property, and it's already I didn't know if French was going to bring in semi loads of dirt. set up. So, we're going to offer you the ability to come and speak about some of these concerns, and I just want to make sure we're being very cogent and clear about answering some of the direct concerns, right? Yep. So, which one first? So, let's talk about the health risks. I think that the first thing, well, let's talk about the water concern first and foremost. Uh, so when they're talking about that, we went out there, we do what's called a field tile investigation. So, you try to find where the field tiles are. Uh, So that's what they do. They go out, they they have a very good idea, but they actually trench, you know, they cut trenches at 90 degrees to where they can put the tile. They did find tile. It's all silted in. It's been silted in for a long time. Part of our mitigation plan will be actually to replace all the field and get some positive drainage back out there. Again, we didn't do anything. We haven't brought any dirt out there. We didn't excavate anything other than looking for those field tiles. So it was just a field tile investigation. Um I was told that it's done this for years. just been ponding out there and getting moist. Uh so it's probably because the field tile failed at some point in time. And so part of our plan because we don't want to be building within that area, we're going to actually replace all the field tile damage and get some positive drainage back out there. In addition, we'll be providing some storm water detention as part of the the city's ordinance as well. The next question I think would be concerns about health risks. So let's start about radiation exposure from the existence of the the the facility. I guess there is no radiation. Um these are the same type of types of panels that people put on the

tops of their homes. They're the same as when they're in schools, churches, hospitals. It's just a simple photovotayic solar panel. They let me finish. They don't leech. They don't break down. You know, they're encapsulated. They have glass and aluminum. That's that's about 80% noise obviously I think um anybody who would live near there if you can hear whatever this is doing does it produce any kind of discernable noise a generational um does it generate vibration does it does it uh so no these they will track but they track very slowly for the sun the only place there would be noise is if you walked up to it and stood next to it would be over where the switch gear and the batteries will be which are you know 12500 ft away from from their home. And so that's located over on the far west side. Uh we are required by law to adhere to and follow the Illinois Pollution Control Board standards. Uh so that we aren't emitting any more noise than is allowed by the the signal. So how often how how often does something like that tracker change? Obviously with the sun, but is it constant? It's really quiet. It just every 10 minutes it'll move. It moves about every 10 minutes and it's just run off of a small one force electric engine at the end of some of the rows. Um, so it's not one per row. It's it's actually it moves a whole series of them at one time in those. And I'll tell you if you want to know the rating of that, it's um I believe it's 70 dB at 3 m. So 9 ft and 70 I'm speaking at about a 70 probably right now. And it dissipates quickly as you get away. So the further away you get, the faster the sound drops down. Uh don't forget we're going to have still the existing trees between us and the uh the neighbors. Uh ambient noise before we be masking all

um chemicals obviously if there's water concerns chemicals you use to coat the solar panels or to treat the land that these panels actually get built on. Um how much of this is a concern leeching into the groundwater? I understand that they are concerned about being less than 500 feet away from where the panels are, but um you know if there is leeching into the groundwater because of chemicals that have been used on these on on these sites that's that's a that's a concern that that would transcend any distance that you are from from those panels. Can you broadly speak about maybe those concerns um to at least explain what the chemicals might be that you're using there and where they might actually impact nearby residents? Yeah. And I don't leave you here. I'll ask for meeting. Yeah. So, I have a slide that shows you how to It's also good for us to make sure this is on the record at this meeting, too. Yeah. I'm just Yeah, I'm just going to read the slide I provided. So, the panel itself is, you know, it's made of silica. It's actually it's encapsulated for waterproofing and then there's glass on the front and glass on the back and then with aluminum frame. That's what really makes up the panel. What goes into the ground is a steel post, but it's galvanized. No different than a galvanized fence post, guard rail, anything like that. We're going to go about 8 ft from the ground. U that rock's actually pretty shallow here. So, we're just going to probably get through the limestone cap and then you hit the sandstone. There's a sandstone lay under that little tank right there. Probably no more than 8 ft deep really the greatest we get that deep. But again, it's galvanized steel. It's all It's the same galvanized steel on everything else. Um, oh, you mentioned she mentioned chemicals. I don't know what she's referring to there. Uh, we're going to be planting berry underneath our project. Uh, and uh, you know, we're not going to be using any any pesticide or

herbicides or anything like that. There may be some spot treating as far as uh, getting rid of noxious weeds while we get this established. U, but that would be the extent of any chemicals we use. So it's not it's not as if somebody's going to come do a whole round up on the old property do like a farm is put in round beans or something like that. And this site had been historically agricultural for quite quite some time right um EMFs you mentioned or she well let's explain what an EMF is. So electromagnetic field, right? Electromagnetic field is produced by anything that has electricity in it. So you walk by a if you had a meter and you went by and you put it by the the outlet, you'll detect that there's an electric field that comes off of that. We are surrounded by electromagnetic fields. your microwave, your refrigerator, you know, if you have electric on oven, anything like that is is operating that operates somewhere around 60 hertz. Now, a microwave actually works at a microwave with a higher uh frequency, but this is working at a 60 herz, which is common for all of our electrical appliances. The panels, you know, they're going to operate at that. So, they're operating at a low frequency. Um, I provided a paper to you. It's a white paper. It's I know it's getting some little That's also because nobody's really proven it and disputed what it what it provides. Uh the low frequency 60 Hz, it also dissipates very quickly as you step away from it. The only place that that you would maybe uh be somewhat cautious is if you went and had a pacemaker here and you were standing next to the inverter. Now the inverter is the machine that produces it converts it from direct current into alternate current. So our system is on alternate current, but we're going to produce electricity in direct current. That's

the only place. But again, once you step away, you know, 10 ft from it, you know, there's limited exposure that you're going to have for that. Can you explain directly and very succinctly and briefly what hazardous chemicals might ever exist on the site or hazardous materials might ever exist on the site? Again, it's aluminum framing, it's glass, it's silica. Uh I will say that the only thing if you really really want to dig down here it would be that there is a small tiny percentage of lead in the solder but it's no different than the lead in solder in any other electrical appliance and it's just at the connectors. But we do test for lead on our children as soon as they go to the doctor. I have Illinois Renewables right here. Illinois Renewables printed this in 2025. It says I need to be 500 foot from your farm right here. Illinois renewables. They have to know what they're talking. This is this was just printed. Show this is and your information says 2005. Do you want to comment on the 500 foot versus 150 foot? I don't know where the 500 foot comes from. I I don't know. All I know is that uh I say that almost every ordinance we operate in has something less than. Um I believe uh L County is 150 ft from the residence itself. So from the foundation of the residence most every other ordinance I'm familiar with are very similar to that. I have a survey from Illinois. I have 39 counties that I'd like to give you guys. That is incorrect. It is actually uh encased in state uh regulations. So every county was required to follow seven. I'm sorry. Could you repeat that? Oh, sorry. Uh so the state of Illinois, the state legislature passed uh regulations and and say that set X can't be any

greater than X. Um and they they it's a statewide law. So all counties had to adopt if you had a zoning ordinance, all counties had to adopt those uh maximum graduation and your ordinance is really I think almost the mirror of that pretty much. We have to look at not just the city of Iowa City. [Music] So there is no buffer. We're trying to stay around, right? So um can can you say after you look at it? Yeah. [Music] Maybe just in summation, can you maybe broadly speak about the environmental benefits of what you're doing? because I think we're talking about the environmental concerns here, but I think it's also important for us to reiterate and understand again the environmental benefits that this provides to our community. Yeah. Well, certainly a couple of those. You know, the first is we are going to be producing clean electricity. Uh once it's up and operating, there's no carbon emissions. Um it's renewables long term. Uh we're only using more electricity. Our electricity consumption and usage is going up. Um, as we reduce the coal fleet in the state of Illinois, it needs to be replaced with something. This is one of those things. Um, I'm an all above person. I think it is the end all be all, but it's certainly one of the spokesman. So, that's one. Number two is we will be planting a prairie per ordinance underneath the panels plus a pollinator buffer around the entire perimeter of the project. Uh, so what

will that do? Uh, it's deep rooted. It helps uh slow down any erosion. It'll also regenerate the uh the soil over the course and lifetime of the project. Uh so that whenever the day comes if the thing is decommissioned, it could be put back in the farmland and be very productive. Uh the pollinator buffer uh is also very good for helping our birds, small animals and bees as we know there's a crashing bee population in the in this country pesticide use. We will not be using any pesticides on this property. Like I said, I did mention there might be some spot treating herbicide, but that's just to knock down the noxious until the prairie is well established. Since you brought it up, can you also talk about the expected life of this facility and potential decommissioning? I mean, they own the property there and some concern is the generational impact. So, maybe just talk about that briefly. Yeah, it's been probably have a full project lifetime of 35 years. um at which point there uh there would be decommissioning. We have provided the decommissioning plan to the to the city um states we be bonding putting money um in case we didn't follow our uh our requirements and that bond gets looked at every 5 years we do updated and amended accordingly. But I think you said this trees coming down there's 12 acres. You're removing 12 acres of trees at the one end to use 18 acres, but you're buying 64. So, how many are you really using? What's the question? You're buying the 64 acres. We're using approximately 20 of the other, right? I know. I know. Take the number just to be safe. We're going to use 22 of the 60 plus acres. And then how many are trees that are 12 to 15 acres? If you do your math, it's around 40 acres of trees. And what else will be

that'll be leaving? You're leaving. You're taking all of our trees. Everything between us and Heritage. 40 acres of trees are leaving that the missing. That is incorrect. I've seen your plan. You're giving us 15 foot evergreen trees. All right. Okay. I think we're going to close the comment period. Uh I'll make a motion to close the comment period. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, go ahead. Can you address and make sure we explain who you are? Okay. I'm Kevin Dale. I'm a long time Iowa resident, business manager, lab 393. I just had some questions about construction. Sorry. No, that's me. So, myself for the labors um operators, electricians, the free traders predominantly be involved in this process. None of us has nobody's reached out to us. Um, we've called Sunvest, left messages, have not had return calls. I just want to know what your plan is for the construction as far as who's who's going to be your contractors. Um, how long the project's going to be, how many knowledge things you're going to have. Before you do, let's just make sure that we also ask if he answers this. Do you have other questions that you want to make sure you follow up with or do you That's my main question. to make you aware of that none of the local agents in the area. Right. So So where is the labor coming from? Exactly who you're contracting with. Will we use be using local manpower to to produce this? Paying area standard wages or prevailing wage work. Okay. Start with the last one first. Yeah. Yes. We have to pay prevailing wage. Uh we have not selected a general contractor. This project won't start construction until fall November of the year. Uh we will have to fire a find a general contractor. Uh but we follow all the requirements that are in

the clean equitable jobs act. That's the legislation that we follow. So whenever possible, we do hire local and we do hire union. But if we don't pay for the can you just so we have it on record. I just have two questions. one was kind of addressed, but the last two you said the batteries need a water source. Where's that water source coming from? You see? Yes. Okay. You're going to run you're going to run the main to your property from the next closest place. Is that right? Yes, sir. Okay. My second ft. Yeah. My second question is it deals with I know above ground you have the panels and you have the battery. Are there any poles or anything like that above ground? Utility poles or what else is above ground besides the the panels and the batteries. So pretty much everything can be run underground where possible until you get to the inverter where it converts from DC to AC at which point it goes into a transformer and then there'll be a set of six poles that run from our uh last inverter over there on the west side there by the entrance uh to tie into the existing distribution lines that run along the south side of Canel Road. Those poles will be about 30 ft high. What's the span of those six or what kind of distance? About 25 ft apart. Three of them are ours and three of them the three closest will be cameras. Are there any transformers or anything on top of those poles? There is a transformer on two transformers, one on our side, one on their side, and then there's go on each ground operated air bra. And what that is is that's a physical way for you to break the line. So if there's something going on, they

can come in and break the line. They they call breaking off this disconnect the project. There's one on our side and there's one on our side. You guys ever used project labor? Uh we have not. Okay. More than likely you will not be hiring. Uh that's I'm sure we'll hire as many as we can. What's the difference? We are not anti-un. That's what you're alluding to. It just seems that way. That's all I'm saying. We have several local contractors in this community that reached out to them. Again, we have this forach. All right. Thank you. Go ahead. You have to stand up and statement. It's not even a question. Um, my name is Yuri. I've been 4 years in her page harbor and I think that uh uh there is there are gorgeous places in west mountains sea uh waterfalls there's nothing like that here but there are there's a country charm that some people like and we will come and money and we will make sure that local population benefit if you're going to miss this opportunity right now business you're not going to see another opportunity for at least 6 months There are mushrooms around. They coming all over the place. Uh what's next? This kind of project usually comes on they build on wasteland on disposal sites. This is a gorgeous piece of land. Why would we do that? Thank you. Anybody else before we close out? Okay. close out the uh public hearing and uh

go back to uh uh let's see asking uh any questions uh on the board here uh that uh may stand out from the testimonies and the information that shared uh this evening to continue with what Mr. Uh Kevin Dale spoke of um the constituents that I work with on a daily basis um throughout this past month since the first time you met you came here. Um the one big question that stood out from the last meeting to me was the positive things that will that your solar farmer bring to the community of Ottawa and everything that was said. I don't know. It just didn't really nothing really stood out. Um I think I mean there's tax dollars, there's meadow. Um but I think Mr. Kevin Dale was trying to express is that a a large positive thing from what the people that I've spoke to also would be a workforce. And I think he's expressed that because everything that's gone in into the vicinity of Ottawa has 100% gone with a non-UN workforce and out of town workers from far and away. And everybody that we work around is very um expressive towards that and they because it's basically watching a project being built with not one person from the area and um so it's a concern. It's a concern from what the people that I've talked to because these projects keep getting built without local workforces. That was just a continuation of what

Kevin Dale is trying to express. And then um that's the that's the probably the number one concern that I've met with this past month talking to people in this area. I don't know who you've spoken with. Um like I said, we do our best to hire local whenever possible. It's more affordable. They don't have to they don't have to be room and boarded. They don't have to come from long distances. Excavators are going to be brought in locally. Whatever we can find local, we'll go that direction. Yeah, it's hard because everyone's in the past has said the same thing and then nothing ever happens. What about Mr. French? We're building right now. We are bidding that one out. So, I don't have a contractor on that project. But the point is, you know, I mean, that would be a very specialized work. So, it's kind of hard to find people, but I don't think the union halls are empty right now either. It's not a specialized work. We have the individuals trained doing the solar and posting everything. Is there any? So to the gentleman's comment in the back, what other you keep saying prairie and some um plantings obviously because of bees and other things like that. What what's right in the front of it and how do you It is a pretty piece of land. So what does it uh and I wasn't at the last meeting so I may have missed some slides and some step back about 138 plus feet from the center line of the road. We're going to do our best to we're going to preserve those existing trees that are along there uh along the uh the rideway and then our project will be set back because those trees on the north side of the panels they won't create any shade. So we're going to be preserving that at least along there. Uh and again I got to remind you this is property owned industrial. I I think we're losing sight of that. You know, somebody else

could come in here and do something else. Uh I think it's a wonderful opportunity for the the city of Ottawa. It's a wonderful neighborhood once it's up and operating. It's quiet. It's safe. It doesn't emit any uh pollution. There won't be hardly any traffic. It will be a tax generator. You talked about the taxes. And what's the positive? It's going to go 67% of it will go to your schools and not putting any children. So, it's not a housing development putting children into schools. It's really a positive benefit for the for the city of Anybody else have any questions? I guess I would have a question. I mean, you understand it's zoned, but you understand it's zoned industrial, right? I know that. And so the point that's been made here, I think, is a pretty cogent point that this could perhaps be the least offensive thing that could be positioned next to your property instead of it being a distribution center for a trucking company or in order for I would I would take anything over the radiation that I know that it's got dirty electricity. I know it has. I've got it off Illinois renewables. I know what it is. It's I have to be at least 500. I mean I guess are you concerned in principle though that any industrial development would be developed next to your [Music] properties sitting here because we're the only ones being intruded on part of the zoning for the city says that the people that are here are supposed to be happy. You think I'm happy that his his friend was in my woods in November taking pictures of my home? My dog could have bit that me. He was 10 foot from my house. Never told me he was there. That's intrusive. Very intrusive. I feel more intruded now than I ever did. And we felt safe at one time. I can show you a picture of my home from the woods. It says that my house is covered in trees. They were in the woods. My house is

completely open. There isn't a tree one by it. Everything in that culture report is false. And I have all the current pictures if you guys would like to see what was supposed to be in the culture report of all my homes that are not covered in trees. Kane, you have any more questions? Okay. Nobody else has anything. We uh need a motion. Um I'll let someone decide which way you guys want to target the motion. It's uh basically for the conditional use for a large scale solar um farm basically on Canel Road and it's a zoned industrial E and uh the uh petitioner is um put on here. I lost my paperwork here. Sorry. Sunvest Solar LLC. Someone like to make a motion without touching the speaker. I know. I'm sorry. It's like I'm electric here. This may be perfect for the staff report, right? Um, I think that there are some questions that are going to have to be answered as you develop the project if it's approved by the city. I mean, as you heard certainly up here, local labor is important to all of us here. Uh, and so, um, there isn't anything in this that sort of explains that to us. Um, and I would say I'm chiefly concerned about the lack of local labor being hired to do this. And I think that's certainly the major question that would need to be answered and and done.

Um, however, I think that uh I understand solar power and solar developments. I've been on several of these and and done some stories and so um I'm comfortable enough to make the motion to uh concur with the finding of fact as outlined in the staff report that we received in this commission and um I'll make a motion to recommend the approval of a conditional use permit. Okay. made a motion uh to accept um recommend to the city council. Do I you have a second? I second. Okay. Molly second. Any other discussions? Okay. Those who approve say I. I. Those who oppose say no. No. Okay. Um that was me. Okay. So, no from um Jonathan Reese. Okay. Um this will go to the city council. Uh what's the next date? Let me look. I know they got a goofy schedule coming up. I remember hearing on the radio. It changed. There you go. May 6th. May 6th. So May 6th is the be the portion that this will be heard by the city council. I own a property that's behind the city because the petition was put in the city. Why does petition they're because the city has jurisdiction over that plan that the petitioner at? If it was unincorporated, yes, that would be the county. So since it was annexed as city. Yes. Okay. Yes. That's the only reason. So, will we be able to attend that meeting on the

sixth? Yeah. Oh, absolutely. No, we we recommend you do. Actually, no. That's You have the same right to speak at the city council meeting. And here's uh pictures by the way of that. I don't want you to forget those, but uh she want this back to We appreciate everybody's input. This is what the process against it. I just want to move to the next This girl is 22 years old. rains on the beach, you know. We appreciate it. Thank you. All right. Um, let's see here. We got new business. Um, we have uh a public hearing to consider a conditional use uh request from PADS for a homeless shelter in the B apartment zoning district located at 2011 East Jackson Street, which is the um former YMCA. Um this would be a temporary location where they build their uh new facility uh canal. The canal which street is the existing the No, the old is Jackson Street. Jackson Street. No, no, that's their that's the the old the old YMCA is to Jackson Street. No, no. I'm talking about the where the existing pads is. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Yep. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, do I have someone that uh before we begin? Before we start this, I want to explain some of our attendance. I am a board member of the YMCA and I have already been involved in voting on this situation. So I'll be abstaining. Kane Farabal to my left is also a board member of the YMCA. He was not present during the voting. So he will be partaking in the vote here and uh excusing himself from vote uh at the Y. Right. Just to reiterate, I'm also a board member and I'm going to vote on this issue in this meeting. I will not be voting on this as a member of the YMCA board when this comes if it comes to us in the next board meeting. All

right. Thank you. Okay. Um go ahead and state your name and uh tell us all about what you like to do. I'm Carol. I'm the executive director. Good evening. It's a pleasure to be with you once again. and care of Illinois Valley Cats to request a temporary conditional permit for a building located on East Jackson Street for use only. Li Gas has been serving the homeless population of Ottawa since 1991. For the past 20 years, we've operated at 1120 Canal Street with minimal issues, maintaining strong relationships within the community. As many of you know, our board of directors has been working diligently to replace our existing shelter. Is that me? It might be. Sorry, it's not me. It's been me all night. So, my electrician. I like the certainly creates attention. We purchased 2.5 lots where the current building sits in 2022 and launched a campaign titled Giving Hope a Home to raise 4.3 million needed for this new facility. Thanks to $2 million grant from the Department of Commerce and Economic Opportunities sponsored by the city of Ottawa along with additional grants and community donations. We have reached the funding threshold necessary to begin the construction. We have completed the blueprints and the bid documents and are ready to move forward. However, in order to build a new shelter, the current building must be demolished. us without location. Tonight, I'm requesting

permission to temporarily relocate our operation to the former YMCA building at 201 East Jackson Street during the construction. a process expected to take 14 months to two years depending on supplies and contractors schedules and Illinois Valley Pass service not only with South County residents but also those from bureau and counties so we have a large area our service includes providing meals beds laundry showers and case management to help individuals become self-sufficient After an extensive search, the only facility that meets the operational needs, including overnight accommodations, a kitchen, adequate showers, is the old YMCA. Our plan is to use only the second floor of the building, avoiding the pool area and the larger gym and the flood plane and the first floor. the renovations necessary such as repairing the roof, separating and creating sleeping areas for men and women, installing a kitchen, updating the HBAC and electrical system have been estimated at approximately $80,000. It is understood that the YMC building is slated for eventual demolition by the city. We are simply requesting a temporary lease for up to two years or until the new shelter is ready for occupancy. Importantly, we do not intend to use any portion of the building located within the flood plan. Key features of the YMCA building is off street parking for staff, volunteers,

and a few clients that have vehicles, congregate bathrooms, lockers, and showers, and sufficient space to create a functional kitchen for meal preparation. Illinois paths will provide secure personal personnel on site and inside security personnel on site and inside the building. strict policies, procedures, and rules to ensure the program is managed safely and responsibly. Thank you very much for your time and consideration of this request. I'm available to answer any questions. [Music] I have a couple. Um the start date, what do you guys tend I may have missed that when's your target date of start? It's um completely driven by grant and so we cannot sign a contract with DCO until toward the end of October about the 23rd I think is the date that they have. We're we're hoping we can get that done earlier but they have their own timet. So we're hoping that we will have secured a location to move into have moved in and started services. We'll have bid process for local contractors to um bid on this project and be ready to go hit the ground and start with foundations first and then hopefully they can get the building frame up after they get the foundations in during the winter time. That's that's our hope. Now, does that mean that's going to happen? That's what we want. That's that's what we expect to happen. But, um lots of things fit into that, right? Yeah, I'm not going to make any promises, but that's that's the kind of table we're on. That's it. So, that's with the new facility. What's your timeline of getting to if it's granted

to the Y? As soon as we get approval and we have a lease signed with the YMCA, um we will begin to do the renovations. We have contact and had estimates from local contractors, John Sales and Service, electric um local electrician um to begin to do this and they have said that it would take week 30 days whatever to do these renovations to get the roof fixed to get all this. In fact, um John Sales and Service donated a um air conditioner to us years ago, about five years ago, and we need air conditioners for the wine to to make the gym work and stuff. And so we are going, they have agreed that they're going to move this donated air conditioner off the existing building over to the Y. We're going to do that with as much of the infrastructure as we can reuse over the Y to be able to um make this work. Um it is a um expensive project but we would like to remain in Ottawa to provide services while we're down otherwise we'd have to be in Pearl where there's limit the space is limited there's 74 beds but it won't have enough for everybody in Ottawa too. So any other questions? I do. So it's a 14 to month to twoyear project. Will the hours run the same as the existing and then be closed down the other parts of or will it stay? We'll see how that works. I'm hoping when the new building gets built that we can have a system where we can go 12 months a year and I just mean the why right now. Why? To be determined. Okay. We if we can, we might, but I we haven't made that decision. And you talked about security in the building. Yes. Um will that be to keep everyone out of that lower level where which is the flood plane be

blocked off? Okay. Um when you walk, we we probably need the door to the parking lot comes into a lobby. Um and the door will be locked to the whole first floor. the stairway on the second floor going downstairs where we walked off. The hall going back to the pool is going to have a wall with a door. So, it's all going to be very separated and um they they are not going to be in other parts of the building. It's going to be secure. I'm assuming the pool's drained. It is drained, but I don't want I don't want to insure it. I don't want to have to deal with it. I don't want anybody in that part. In fact, the locker rooms where the doors go into the pool will be closed off. Okay. Yeah, they will be secured. What about the um the condition internally as far as uh has it been inspected uh to make sure that there was no mold or anything since I know electricity has been turned on kept on but just uh any leaks that could cause some that concern has not come up yet. Okay. you're done. Is that going to be part of the process of I have the city Doug? Would the city basically have to do a full inspection like they would do with any building to make sure that occupancy can be um granted? Yes. So, they're going to need a permit for some of the electrical work and whatever other work they're going to be doing. So, an inspection be done then. Now, the city's not going to do a mold inspection. that's an actual specific contractor that you know can test for mold and that sort of thing. So the city would not do that. Um water's been turned off for subsidies, you know, so there is no water in the in the building. I've understood all winter. I think my concern was just any leakage from the from the roof, you know, if that would cause any that's

going to be replaced. We're going to have to get It's Yeah, that's part of the expense. Yeah, I bet. Uh, one other question I have is um the um if there's unfortunate another flood uh that happens, what's the regulations of having occupancy in that uh facility even though it's not being occupied in a flood plane, but there's flood waters approaching the uh the building. Is there any um anything that we can consider about that? because uh I mean hopefully we'll never have to see that. We haven't seen it for quite a while, but um I just want to try to cover every base of uh of a scenario if if you know what happens then if that happened. Well, stipulation number four, they're going to have to submit an emergency plan. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So, it would be emergency plan if that ever happened. Okay. All right. That's fine. Remember they're not on that first floor. Yeah, I would say it's worth pointing out too that you're not anticipating Boy, this is the microphone possessed microphone here. I'm really sorry. Um, but it's to be clear, I mean it it's it's clearly outlined here that you will not be occupying any part of that bottom floor of the YMCA. It's everything's going to be on the second floor, but there will be I can see. And we should also state too, I mean, just because we have knowledge of it, the YMCA hasn't flooded in the building since the 2013 flood. So yeah, um we understand that to be the I'm more concerned about kids going swimming or fishing. Right. Right. Not swimming in the pool in here. Um anybody else have questions? Okay. Um open up to the uh public. Uh, anybody from the public would like to speak on the um the

petition of the pads and YMCA? [Music] That's what I come late for. I apologize. All right. Not sure I should try touching that. I'm Jennifer Amy Drestlin, pastor at Open Table United Church of Christ, right down the street from the old lot. Um, assuming that CADS moves in temporarily into that space, I will be one of their four closest neighbors in the parsonage. Um, and we will be delighted to be able to see that folks in our community continue to be served. um if if they would were to have to lo relocate and just use the Peru shelter or find something out of town, um I guarantee you we will see foot traffic at the church increase tremendously as folks without services are looking for help of some sort. Um so we really welcome this opportunity to to be even closer neighbors than we have. And that's what I have to say. I'm going to protect you all from my Thank you so much. Appreciate you speaking though. Anybody else uh out of the public? Okay. All right. We'll close the public hearing. [Music] Um, what I'd like to ask, uh, is there any final comments or concerns that you guys have in, uh, in this proposal from what you heard, what you see, that you have read in the minute or in the, uh, staff report. Okay. Do you have the staff report? Yeah, you have. I'm just going to Okay. No, I can't. Oh, okay. All right. Um, in that case, uh, we need a motion. Uh, I guess we're going to go ahead and make a motion to recommend to the city council. Yep. Okay. Uh, the approval of um what here? I uh I move we

concur with the findings as outlined in the staff report. Recommend the approval for the homeless shelter to be at 2011 East Jackson for the YMCA temporary. Subject to the subject to the following conditions. Per staff report. Per the staff report. Yep. 1 through five. Okay. Do I have a second? I'll second Jonathan. Mhm. Okay. Jonathan seconds. Okay. Um vote. Those who approve say I. I. Those who oppose say to no. Okay. Eyes have it. There's abstain. There's an abstain. Yes. Keane. No, no, no. It's Debbiey's the abstension. Oh, I'm sorry. Debbiey's really confused me tonight. Sorry. That's okay. That's okay. All right. Sounds good. We still have a a motion carried. Um, so it goes to the city council. Um, what do we say? May be sixth. Sixth. Uh, so it'll be the final approval and, uh, if there's any questions they have, they'll ask them at that point or if you have any added stuff that you want to talk about, then you go. Thank you. Yeah. Wish you the best. It's a great mission. We need it. Yeah. Well, I can't wait for the new facility. That's the part that uh, it's worth it. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Let's see. [Music] And then where you have the minute. You have the motion for the next one, too, right? Yes. Mhm. Okay. So, item two of the new business. It's a public hearing to consider a conditional use request for Columbus development for a self-s storage facility in D, which is office research and light industrial zoning district located at 550 East Antner Road in Ottawa. Uh, do we have a person who's represent? Yes. Okay. Can you come up

and uh uh state your name and um give us the details of your um project? Hello, Sean Garrett with Columbus Development Company. Appreciate the commission's time this evening uh and the attention to the proposal. Appreciate working with the city staff thus far um working on this plan. Uh approached the city probably about a year ago overall with a a larger vision for the full 28 acres there on Etna Road. uh you know uh where Centennial would be extended ultimately hopefully in the future. Um and uh so this is uh the first phase hopefully of several uh phases and several developments on that 28 acre track. Um that's uh but right now it's phase one is the self- storage development. I own other self- storage uh facilities. I also own property in Ottawa, the North Ottawa Plaza Shopping Center as well as the Columbus Square Shopping Centers. I acquired those about uh three years ago and have made improvements to those properties and trying to be a good neighbor and improve the the aesthetics and the optimacy at those properties. Um now this is my next property in Ottawa. I really uh enjoy Ottawa. So this would uh be constructed in two phases ultimately but overall be 375 drive up exterior self storage uh units uh no climate control um and u worked with city staff on the landscape plan try to make it as aesthetically appealing as as possible and um I think it'd be a big winner for the school district generating a lot of um real real estate taxes as well as again that hopefully there'll be later phases which would require um some public

infrastructure extension of Centennial Road so that we could unlock the value of the rest of the 28 acres as well. So happy to answer any questions at all or go into more depth about the operations of the facility. Do you have any renderings um of that you were able to bring to the meeting tonight or we had some put together um in our our email packet? But uh I we didn't print them out. I didn't print them out at least, but uh I just wondered if there's anything that we can show that would show the quality, the the aesthetics, the the you know setback of where it's going to be and and the uh the height of the buildings and and the you know from the road eyesight and and and such. Yes, I do have one one copy. Sorry. And then also um to the the very top of the truss is the highest point of view about 13 or 14 ft. Um and uh so I'm happy to pass pass these down. Are these the colors that you're selecting or are these subject to change? They're subject to change if I'm you know obviously colors. Everyone has an opinion about what what they want to do. I know that all the other facilities in town have blue doors, so I'm trying to avoid blue from a competitive standpoint, but if if there's again, everybody has an opinion about about colors, but um generally I was going with a light or kind of beige gray facility, so it won't show dust. Like a lot of people are building a lot of black buildings right now that that are kind of popular, but they they'll show dust over time. So, I'm trying to make this so that it looks good for a long time. What's the materials? Sheet metal as far as the all the whole entire uh uh building would be sheet metal. No, no masonry. No. Uh and then the Yeah, it' be wood frame. And what's the set back from the road? Uh I believe what we've projected here is 125 ft from the road. So the driveway is 125 to the first unit. The building

uh facade of the first unit 125 ft. Um, and then what would be behind is there development that would be behind it in your future? Yes. Um, hopefully we'd extend Centennial similarly to how it is down where the Harley-Davidson dealership is and curves around and then it curve around to connect with Cherry Lane and um there would be one more lot behind this facility that would abut I 80. I don't need the I80 visibility. Some businesses will really appreciate the I80 visibility. So, you know, like a destination retailer or Harley-Davidson type retailer will benefit from that type of visibility. I don't necessarily need that. So, for this first phase, it made sense to bring it up towards Etna Road this project. And perhaps hopefully there'll be destination retailers that would like the IE furniture in the future. So, why wouldn't this go farther back? So, a retailer could be closer to to Etna where someone would see signage and then come to that business first. Sure. Um, I don't believe that retailers are going to want to go on Etna Road. from my experience and and I was previously president of National Real Estate Development Company. Um so I've gotten a lot of land deal within Illinois. Etna road only has about 3,000 cars a day which doesn't have the traffic counts to attract retailers um that are going to benefit from that at no road visibility. Obviously I80's got tens of thousands of vehicles per day. So that's that's going to be more appealing to somebody that values the visibility. Did you want the uh audience to Not yet. I I have a few more questions. Okay. So, we'll continue this and then they can Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'll open it up in a minute here. Anybody else? So, I'll speak as uh as a planning commission member then. Um I struggled with this when I saw it. I uh have um been concerned. Etna road has created itself into a very substantial

commercial development. When I think of a place that we consistently have fine commercial development, I think often road. And if you in your mind go up and down at road and and think of what is there, there is not one other industrial use. This whether you consider it an industrial use is an ezoning supposed to be in an industrial area. That's how we've zoned uh for storage uh buildings. So my concern is for you and for all of your neighbors out there, does a storage facility complement what is already there and what has been established over the years as a higherend commercial area. I I worry about what that does to the neighborhood. And I also have questions about if this is your first project and it's an industrial project, do you have industrial uses that you have in mind for the rest of Etna Road? Uh so for the remainder of the site, um I would envision it be uses that are within the the DZoning of the area. That's going to be a combination of um uh of destination retail. It's not going to be convenience retail because there's not enough traffic on that road for convenience retail. Um it might be destination retail. It might be um retailers that have need like a showroom or store room rather in the back for um housing inventory. Um I envision that ultimately it probably be what you call kind of contractor condos which are facilities where plumbers and electricians uh small plumbers, electricians would store some inventory and kind of use it as a as a first um

facility for their business. Um so these would be um uh you know light light industry type uses. Um there is a lot of light industrial type uses on Centennial Road back where the Harley-Davidson dealership is. There's the air facility, there's the ambulance facility, there's other light industrial uses. So continuing on Centennial Road, I do see that as a continuation of the stuff that's already on Cent Centennial Road. our um neighbors to this facility or the quality in but the other um hotels. I I feel like this is a nice transition from Columbus Street towards these more industrial uses that are on Centennial. I I have never seen those industrial uses. I'm a local person. They sit back, you know, from Etna. But when you think of what's on net and imagine that it's going to flip to industry that and I think of the investments of the people and the companies that are there for commercial use. I I'm disappointed. I I can't hide that. I mean, in fairness to what you're saying, uh, we have a Dzoning on this, and I don't know how we got to D on this as opposed to strictly commercial because it is in history now strictly commercial on Edna Road, but that Dzoning perhaps started before they identified themselves as a community of commercial. I I just um disappointed. I I I strive to be consistent with what we do in zoning and this is now mix matching in my mind but honestly Doug this is for you and for all of us and maybe it I I don't know that this

can be done at this point but if all the neighbors in that area and including you now that you're a land owner there looked at that with a and and agreed with that that zoning shouldn't be light industrial. It should be commercial. It deserves to be commercial. Strictly commercial. It's what's there. I do have to say I when I found out it was industrial, I was like because I think when we revamped our comprehensive plan, um I thought we were considering that commercial. It's light industrial just to be clear. If you look at the uses of light industrial, they don't belong on this where they are. I think that could be a debate another time, but yeah, it's not I'd like to get it open to the public uh as we move forward on it, but thank you Debbie for your your thoughts. Can I address a little bit? Yeah, go ahead, please. Um, so I've developed probably 2 million square feet of retail and commercial space. I developed the levy district in East Poria. There's a Costco and Target that was recently built in the last 10 years. Um, I've done deals with Pi and Kroger and all these retailers. So, I I would love for that to work on that road as well. Um, having done that, the cost to build those facilities over once you factor in site work and land acquisition is over $200 a square foot easily. And the value I bought from North Plaza, $40 a square foot. So, I I would love to do a plan like that. I just don't see the market ever supporting um like a retail type of use there, unfortunately. like a like traditional retail type of use like a power center with a an anchor store and restaurants in front. Again, you've only got 4,000 vehicles per day on that road. And so when I first looked at the site and spoke with brokers, I also looked at it with an eye towards retail and I have a relationship at Costco. I asked Costco, they just does not fit their demographic needs at all. Um there's other sites in town that are

available for retail like the the Menard site out by Walmart that are still available. There's um that haven't been developed. So I I totally understand. Um and I looked at with that eye towards retail to see because I knew the land was available. So I said, "What can I put here?" And that's then this is what I saw for and ultimately it was light industrial types of uses and and destination retail. But it's offices for the most part now on Edna. On on Edna I but I drive back there I also drive on Centennial Road in those Yeah. toward the back. Yeah. And this would be a continuation of Centennial Road. Right. But you're going to bring it out. But you would bring it out at Cherry. So you would access it both. Yes. Ways and that industrial use would then go into the rest of that area. Yes. All residential and there is residential there. Yes, you're correct. We'll get to the public in a minute. Straight out from Cherry obviously is all residential. Okay. It Yeah, it's made its own story. You know, it why industrial didn't come there before now is because we have worked diligently to keep industrial on the other side of 80 and trying hard to maintain that. And I've spoke with the city and made very clear I'm not looking to compete at all with what the city's got with the industrial park. This I I think there's a lack of supply of two to three acre parcels within the city for a zone D type of uses and this would help and and address that supply issue and would hopefully create opportunities for other small businesses to invest in a 2 to three acre site for 5,000 office. I mean I certainly would love to have office there as well. So Okay. U Thank you. Um I'm going to open up to the public. Uh I ask that uh uh one person at a time and they come up

and uh speak with their uh name and uh your question or concern. Pardon my voice. It's okay. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My name is Judy McCondville and I own property directly across the street from the proposed project. And when I first heard about this and investigated it a little bit, I looked at it and I thought, well, that's not so bad. But then I got into it and I didn't realize that this is a larger than what I thought it was going to be. And I don't think that that's a spot for this type of business. I firmly think that it is not the highest and best use of the land that's there. I think that we have enough I think it should be more like offices, professional buildings because that whole strip from the hotels all the way down to the end of of road is pretty much like that. And I don't think that storage units would be amanable to those of us who live right across the street. We don't want all those traffic. There's enough traffic and on the weekends we get motorcycles, lot lots of motorcycles. Um and I just don't think that it would be advisable to put a storage unit on property that has a better use. I just don't think it's there. Um That's all I have to say. Thank you, J. Sorry, I have a mask on cuz I'm at the end of a cold. Otherwise, I wouldn't be here because this isn't work. Um, my name is Kathy Phelps. Um, I also live

right on the end of that. Um, I had no idea that this was even going to be an issue. I just bought my property. I've lived there for about a year and they told me that was going to be straight farmland. So, my backyard ends at the farmland. So, I enjoy the farmland. I have the noise of 80, but I'm okay with that. Um, but now knowing that this is all going to be of all this stuff, you know, developing it, I understand that certain things have to be developed. I would just I would just really request that you guys take a look at how busy this is going to make at the road. From 4, actually from about 3:45 to 4:15, you cannot get on at the road right now. Everybody is coming from the sheriff's department. you have to turn down and around just to get anywhere on Columbus. So any more further development of something big that's going to require trucks and moving vehicles and anything to get into a storage area, I mean, people aren't going to want to live there anymore. People are going to want to move to another area. I completely agree with what she was saying that I don't think that it's made for a forge area like an office building like 8 to 5 kind of thing where dentists or something like that. I get that. But this is just my thing. And the other thing is that because we live right off the Baton Road, we have a little bit of light, but if you put a building right there, directly right in front of us, our bedrooms are right there. I mean, I've already got, you know, a dark panels, everything. So, I can only imagine how bright the houses are going to be lit up all depending on what goes there. That's why I think something that's daytime during the day versus like office buildings versus a storage unit that might have the LED light or

might have the big bright lights that hinders our living space. So, I just hope that uh sorry, I don't normally speak in front of people. I don't even know if I'm allowed to say this, but I just wanted to get my point across. So, I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you very much. May I address those? Yeah, please. I was just going to ask you if you wanted to address those. We'll get to address try to address them as we go along here. The other thing I forgot to mention is right on here it says quality in. So you're talking like Columbus all the way over by Harley. That doesn't explain what this is. Quality in is right in my backyard. So where are you building? Yeah. Okay. Sure. Yeah. It says 420 directly east of Quality in 425 ft up to Cherry Lane. Quality in's here. Cherry Lane's here. My house is here. You're talking Harley all the way down here. Sure. And then Centennial. I'm like Centennial is a different area. Yeah. So that so talking about the Harley and Centennial that is obvious that would be an extension of the the full 28 acres ultimately. Centennial would route all the way around to Cherry. So it' be a cherry centennial. But no, but no, let me address that. Talking about connecting the road all the way to Let him speak please. Yeah, that would be future future phase for the phase that we're here for today would be from the quality in to Sherry. So the storage unit would be right behind my house 512. There be your house. Then there would be Etna road and then there would be the there'd be 125 ft setback and then there'd be the facilities with lights on 24 hours a day. Um yeah I already have views when I can you address the light the luminaries how much why don't you get into that and make sure they understand now because

there is ways of blocking light uh we use that at uh at other restaurant areas right there. So there's deflectors. Go ahead. We would um we'd be following city code as far as any light um issue. Uh the the building the facility would be lit by wall pack lights. So that's wall-mounted lights. It's not pole lights that are 30 ft up in the air. Um like the post office, if you go there, there's pole lights in the in the parking lot that are 30 ft up in the air that are 20 ft from Edna Road. These would be lights. The closest light would be 175 ft from any residence. Um they would also be mounted about um 7 and 1/2 ft up. So nothing would go none of the lights would be above 8 ft. So and it' be angled down. All the lights are adjustable um as well as far as angle. They'd be angled down, but they're also adjustable as far as candle lumens. Mhm. Um what about traffic? The one of the concerns was traffic. Absolutely. No, I took down the list because I want to address the concerns. traffic. Um, basically I would project uh one vehicle per day per 100 units. So at full bill that's be less than 400 units. We're talking about probably four or five vehicles a day. Again, I own other self- storage facilities. They're not high traffic that most people put their stuff in a facility one time and then they don't visit it for two years. Um, so that that's been my experience owning other facilities. Um, so it would be substantially less traffic than it would be if it was a doctor's office or any any other types of I mean, um, you can go to the offices that are there right now and count the cars in the parking lot during the day. It's at any point in time would be this should be substantially less than what you would see from office. Mhm. [Music] Um, I was going to let him just finish. Yeah, I can get you. Yeah. Um, yeah. So traffic to the facility um would be less than office. I want to

make sure we address all the all the concerns. Um but the um retail for that matter would also be a higher higher use because they're trying to bring in customers as well um you know to generate sales. So um and then yeah the as far as the light concern goes we'll make sure that it it's adjusted downwards to not um be visible. There are currently there are pole lights on Etna road. Um so it will not be creating more light pollution that's already there. Jud, do you have a followup question? I have two questions. Number one, um is that a 24hour a day and I if I want to go at midnight, I can do that. Um the facility will have facility hours. The reality is nobody again I own other facilities. people aren't visiting those units at at midnight. They're also But I have very strict rules. Everyone that signs a lease, first of all, leases are terminated terminable within 10day notice. So if somebody is doing anything as far as making a mess or making any noise, I can terminate their lease and have them out of there in 10 days. Um, but there's regulations for the facility. People can't be using the units to be working on their motorcycle or anything like that. You know, they they're using the units just to store things. and see them limited to what they can store. They can't store food and things that do be pests or rodents or whatnot. So, it it's for storing essentially furniture. This type stuff, I think you would assume that would be stored in a self storage facility, furniture, um things like that. And then secondly, the plan that I saw has the driveway or the entry in the center of that's not a good idea because those lights are going to hit us when they come out at night.

The issue there would be the curb cut would be right. It' be 20 ft from Sherry Lane. So people leaving the facility and shre the traffic issue. I think the city probably has code and restrictions on ability to put right next to each other. What about it be another similar type of situation where you have a when it was a county road I can't remember what the regulations were on county road we had the curve cut had closest you could have I think was 300 yard I mean it was you could put curve on that door so it looks to me at the at the other side of cherry lane that there's an open there's no concrete there looks to me like that's an right in that. Um, if I understand what you're saying, I believe that would be the area for where Cherry L would be extended. I don't see why you couldn't make that your entry. That would limit the ability to to develop the rest of the 28 acres because you wouldn't have a road with the rest of the 28 acres. No, thank you for the question. Does the 28 acres include everything behind the Super Eight and all of that as well? Yeah. So, how far would Centennial go or just to where Cherry Lane is? Um, I think there's different options for how you could extend Centennial, but I think generally it would appear the best plan would be to wrap it around similar to how how it is on the other side and curve it around towards Sherry and not extend it back behind the hotels. So, the ability to put in a trucking terminal is part of this zoning that you're talking about, right? That's one of the things that's in this equipment rental. You talked about maybe a plumbing store and something behind it. I'm trying to understand. I'm

a business owner up there, so I have a pretty vested interest here. Um, Etna Road does get a lot of traffic. Not the traffic that you see on Interstate 80, I understand. But to the point of all the other businesses and the residential things that are there, it's maybe the storage facility, which is what we're talking about, isn't as egregious. But then what starts to happen when it's these other things that come in with what it's zoned there for whatever else is on that road, we go back to. It's much more commercial than industrial. And I guess that's my concern across the board here is that this is 28 acres that suddenly has an industrial tag on it. We already have in less than a mile away two storage facility units. There's a brand new one that opened in the last couple years and there is one literally probably less than 750 ft from that. If you cut through the back of those two facilities, why not go on the other side of 80? Oh, uh, well, I would, yeah, as far as locating a facility on the other side of 80, I looked all over city for the best spot to put a facility, part of it and part of the places I did look was on the other side of I 80 and Stevenson Road. And I believe the city has a grant to improve um, some of that road and the grant prohibits uh, this type of use. The grant was specifically there from the state of Illinois, I believe, to generate job growth. And so I would encourage you to chat with Dave Noble because I was steer clear of doing anything north of of 80. So what is the um uh uh need I guess for another large scale storage facility? I mean is there a I mean are we like you know at the end of uh no more occupancy um or vacancy? You do some research by calling the facilities. Most facilities don't have a

10 by 20 unit and that's the my primary part of the mix. Um there's a tremendous need in Ottawa. Uh I have other properties. Normally it's 18,000 people, very similar population. They've got uh they've got uh 165,000 ft more of self storage than your community does. If you look at the rental rates in Ottawa versus so many other communities, I could I could share share them with you, but you people in Ottawa are paying $40 a month more in self storage every single month, residents of Ottawa, because there's such limited supply of self storage. So, my whole intention of doing this is to obviously meet the the demand that's here and and hopefully reduce the the rates for storage substantially. Is there any other uh public u like to speak before I close the public hearing portion? I'd like to see what this all is going to look like, you know, a diagram of this. I live at 512 Avon Lane. And when I look out my bedroom, I have two windows. one that faces the farmland that's there now and the other one faces the hotels which I see the lights and I don't enjoy it but I live with it. I like to see what it's going to look like for when I look out my bedroom window back towards 80. I just have nothing there. It's like a beautiful view. Is there a possibility going to look like? Uh I I honestly I expected to hopefully see some visual um renderings u uh you know maybe on the screen or whatever. It does help especially residents understand the impact of their area. Um I would be open if you guys would like to you know share that. It's it doesn't it's not required but just

being a good neighbor to make sure that everybody has an understanding of what your potential is. Um maybe it'll take some relief off their concerns u of having some renderings available for review. Have you all been able to see the Yeah. Yeah. We you know I mean honestly I think we asked all the questions that I had on mine and everybody else. When we when we see these renderings though just to be clear we're looking at a satellite map overhead of Ottawa that shows us maybe what a footprint would look like where the farmland exists. So we're not really seeing what the actual rendering is. We do see a computer AED design here that kind of, but it doesn't necessarily I mean it's a very basic graphic that shows us what it might look like, right? Uh just the color and this and the scheme. It's just a very basic threedimensional drawing. I I I guess um maybe to ask a point here because you're looking at the entire piece of property that goes all the way from the road to Interstate 80, right? You're looking at that entire piece. Is it objectionable to to you as residents if this same exact facility was positioned closer to the interstate? Well, it can't be because there's not enough acreage. There's 20. So, this first phase, the self storage phase is a little bit over 4 acres, right? And there's 28 acres total. You're going to develop the rest of it into more storage units. No, no, no. This self storage would be the first phase. Okay. And what are your plans for phase two? Yeah, so the other lots that would hopefully be involved in the future. First of all, it' be contingent on Centennial Road being extended. So that has to happen as well to be able to sell additional lots back there. Centennial Road obviously hasn't been extended in 20 plus years that it's been there and there hasn't been any development at the site in 20 plus years as well. So, um, that's all dependent on Centennial Road ultimately being extended as well. So, to be clear that like the position that you're talking about right now is between the Quality

Inn and Cherry Lane and it's a 4acre parcel from Etna Road to Interstate 80. Half half half the depth. Yeah, basically half the depth. So, if let's say that this wasn't put on Etna Road, it was actually closer to Interstate 80 and the other You would still object to it. You would still object to it. Okay, that's that's the question I have. Yeah, it's not the right facility for that property. We've got all of these lovely homes on where we live, but yet and across the street, there's the farmland, but then you've got the US Post Office, and you've got the a couple of professional offices, you've got the courthouse, you have the jail or the county sheriff's office, doctor's offices, and doctor's offices, and That's what it should be. It should be more of a office type property or even residential. Certainly not industrial. If if I may share that if the self- storage use does not go there, you may be forced you may be in a situation where another use goes there that is like a retail type use that is much closer to Etna Lane and that has much less green. There'll be 125 ft of green space between Etna Lane and my buildings. Um, which is a substantial amount of green space. Um, so can you also put I mean like is putting up trees on that green space between the road and your houses something that also helps? Is that something that you like is that's not obviously what we're here and I talked about. Yeah. So, I mean like you you could obviously do something to protect the sightelines so you're not actually looking at the buildings. There could be landscaping trees. There could be other um natural elements there that that do something. Yeah, there's lots of light. Yeah. Or is it a wall? What I would recommend um that goes all

the way across so you can't see the light or have the volume there. Yeah, it's aesthetically residential neighborhood. Good. What I recommend, maybe what we should do is um ask if you could put together a uh rendering of a landscape plan um that would show the uh uh basically the uh shrouding of of that facility. Um I saw there was one Yeah, I mean actually it does he does outline it here on the overhead satellite image, but you want you want a threedimensional I want to see more of it from a yeah street level so everybody can understand that maybe it's not as intrusive as it could be. it's it's to your advantage to really you know sell it as the fact is that it's a uh it could be something that may nobody actually will be able to see but um you know I know one thing that uh I I read is that you didn't you discourage trees because of the safety or there was some mention of that you know with the county facilities right there you got about the safest area in the in the in the city you know next to next to it so it's it's I think the the the safety of it even if you put in um you know decent sized trees and shrubs and and landscaped it up and around. My other thought is what type of fencing are you using? Um you know are you planning on using the uh uh more of a decorative uh type of fence or it's going to be cyclone? The the facilities are built now the most the newer version of facilities are being built today don't have and that's because they have extensive uh security camera systems. Okay. Um, so it's so it depends on again aesthetics whether you like a a fence or not. Yeah. No, no, I'm happy with no I'm not I don't like fences. It's such minimal. Hey, and so we were just discussing that. So I think um one of the stipulations in the recommendation is that there is a more cohesive and and elaborated landscaping design that actually addresses some of these concerns I think we're talking about. Yeah. So, one of the stipulations of staff report is finalization of the site

plan and part of it is to to finalize the landscape plan. This was an initial uh attempt by the applicant at the landscape plan. And I I do think it would be and I'm sorry for not having a good visual to show you as far as this, but again, we're talking 125t setback. This is a pretty substantial amount of green space that's going to occur between that roadway and the first buildings as well. So, I think um I'm happy to work with city staff on trees and whatnot, too. But there's going to be a large grassy field as well that's going to really set this facility not right up on like some like the post office if you drive by the post office. It is pretty close to. Is that something that you guys you could prepare before uh our next plan commission meeting so we can take a look at it and then uh if we offer a continuence for one month so we can understand more about what it looks for what exactly do you want? Uh I think let me actually take a vote with our our staff or board here. Well I I I have a one question. So is this Doug? Is this the whole 28 acre acre parcel or is it just this 4 acres and then a year from now if he wants to put up a plumbing shop has to come back and you know get that approved then or just specifically for the for the uh 4 acres here. So we're not making approval on all 28 acres that every time a business goes in this discussion happens again depends if it's an allowed use. No. Is it ready use? No. If it's conditional use yes okay. So allowed use on there if I missed it or not is an adult entertainment. No, there's adult entertainment is not a permitted use anywhere. It'd be a conditional use probably. Yeah. What did I miss then? Adult uses under conditional. Oh, it's conditional. I didn't use Thank you. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Um, you know, normally I don't like continuences. The only reason I do is I'm trying to make some, you know, um, we always look at the plan commission as a way of, uh, making sure that everybody's a good neighbor. You know, we want, we love, thank you for for first of all, thank you for redeveloping North Ottawa Plaza, Columbus Street, Square. Um, they look great. So much more improved. So, I know you guys invest a lot of money in Ottawa and we want you to invest more money in Ottawa, but I also want to make sure that um you know, a facility like this, it's going to be there for a long time. It's going to be there for a long time. There's other developments going to develop around it. We just want to make sure that there's a way of making sure that this flows very well uh with with with the uh you know, 10 year, 15 year, and 20 year plans that we see for uh the north side. Um, so if there's a way that maybe that you can bring together more and again I asked you guys, are you ready? If you guys want to vote, that's fine. I'm just trying to, you know, listen to the our residents, too. So, well, I think one thing too that's coming up, you know, the development we're perceiving on net in the road, it's really development we're seeing on Columbus Street. You know, the when you look at Starbucks and all that on the corner, and I mean, you're in the business to make money. I'm sure if there was something more lucrative to put in there, you would have come up with that idea to do it first. I mean, I was very attuned to this property. I know the seller. I worked with them on acquiring the shopping center. So, I knew that they they eager to make a deal and do something here. So, I absolutely would put a I would make way way more money. The first, you know, it it would be way more lucrative to do something along those lines. And uh so I what I saw was that the property was zone D. Um and that so I kind of made an assumption a little bit on my part that that was um you know fully what everybody believed that that site should be. So I mean and that's what it is zoned as. It's not

we're not here reszoning it. It's not like we're being asked. Yeah. We are we're given a conditional e zoning to uh to this commercial light industrial area if it passes. But this is zoning. It's a permitted use though under decommercial. It's actually it's it's we're not giving it a conditional use. It's already it's already it's right here. It's for self- storage facility. I see what you're saying. So what you're also saying too, I see why the confusion happened when you were asking, right? If we were to give a conditional use permit, you could also come back here and get a conditional use for adult uses if you wanted to put an adult entertainment establishment there. Right. But that would have to be approved at a separate That is right because nobody's going to say I'm not going to No, I understand that. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So there in lies the other question. This is a 4acre parcel of land between Etna Road and and Interstate 80. And again too, it seems like the most dramatic thing here is if there is landscaping that protects your vision and your sighteline to this. Is it something that you're agreeable to that winds up satisfying some of your concerns? I'd feel better. I would feel better if I'm agreeable. How much light was going to come off of it? Mhm. Yeah. And the highest will be 7 and 12 ft high shooting shooting it down. So Okay. Yeah. And again, city city has requirements that don't produce light pollution to your property. So it should Yeah. Right. I I I guess what I'm saying is you might actually, depending on how the landscaping design turns out, have a better sighteline than to Interstate 80 to maybe if you've got shrubbery and trees and things like that that are between the road and the actual complex that he has for the where can I ask where are they going to turn when they're on Edna Road? They're going to turn and Cherry Cherry's going to cherry and there's going to be one curve cut in between Cherry and Quality right behind that's like exactly where I live. That's

right. Exactly. So they're going to turn right. But let me also clarify. There could well there could be three different businesses back there in three different lot. So there could be three more things with high traffic. So I think this is there could be three things that I could use Joe. Okay. So okay. Um thank you everyone. Appreciate that. And I'm if if the if the commission would like I'm happy to uh if if you want to vote to uh approved conditional upon me working with the city on the landscape plan producing more trees in the front. I'm I want to be a good neighbor as well. I want to address the concerns. Well, I don't want to sit here and say that there needs to be a stipulation about trees. I just say a general landscaping concept that winds up satisfying some of the neighbors concerns would probably be something that would be appropriate for the community. And for the community and there's not that many Yeah, just to be upfront, I'm one of the commissioners. Um, as it sits right now, I would say it's not an appropriate use for the area you want. Yeah. If you want to talk for storage all the way to the back along 80, I might be supported. I can't tell you how the rest of the council would vote. I'm only one for four to five votes, but that would be my vote if that has any effect. Thank you. It would be better to have it further away from still the clicking people turning right behind my house. If I'm sitting outside, they're going to be turning turning. So, I guess at this point, um, we got a couple different directions. I think Sean, right? Yes. I I spoke with the property seller and that's not been an options. Yeah. As well. Right. Right. I think that uh either we can go ahead and make a recommendation to the city council or we could uh ask for a continuation with a uh um landscaping

plan and uh renderings if you could put together something that uh would help uh uh further understand the impact of that area. Um that'd be another option. I'm also I think that you're hearing also too from a commissioner here that you're going to need to be able to articulate a vision like that for the for the commission as well. I mean, this isn't going to be something that winds up. You're gonna have to do I think what we're this requesting suggested request here. You're gonna have to Yeah. Right. So, I think does it help us vision it, articulate it better if we have some kind of design that shows residence? Also, I I would recommend that if my personal and it's up to the the I mean, if somebody wants to make a a motion uh to continue it or make a motion to move it forward, that's up to you guys. Um what would you guys consider? You want to make a continuence for 30 days? Yes. With in the purpose of of having can vote no and having a um uh more uh uh plan site um vision or as Debbie said or vote no. I mean it's I like to see more personally I like to see more rendering of of it if you don't mind. So I don't think there's any harm in actually having more information to make an informed decision. So if you can provide us with some more detailed renderings that maybe show us a proof of concept here, I think that's not out of order on my part. I think you also think that is that helpful to other people here. I yeah I my concerns are that we're putting an e-industrial use in a commercial area and we can and unfortunately we're going back to what somehow we planned as industrial/commercial which really is disrespectful to what really went in

there and what really went in there deserves more respect in planning I Do you want to make a motion? I don't know. You'd like my motion? Well, somebody has to make a motion. So, you want me to? I mean, it's I mean, I I would a motion to uh to decline. Okay. Debbie has a Well, you want me to finish that? Yeah. Go ahead. I move uh that we decline the request. There's nothing in this. So I mean he knowingly bought a property of something we have it zoned for light industrial use. No, this is a contin this is a conditional use. Yeah. Of a storage shed. I mean a storage unit. Um yeah it's this is a this is this is a public hearing for a conditional use. Uh so it falls into the line of having the uh storage facilities as a conditional use even though it falls into the classification. So just just to be clear, this is not one of the current permitted uses for zoning for for for D I guess, right? But um again to I don't know if you had a chance to see this, but I get that it's it's outside the Yeah, it could be a conditional use though. Yeah, it specifically outlines it could be a conditional use. We're voting on the commission. Um so Debbie made the motion to uh deny the um um petition of of the public of the uh conditional use of the Columbus development and self storage and D office research and light industrial zoning at 550 East Road. Um I need a uh second. Second. I second that. Okay. All right. Um Molly seconds. Uh okay. We uh need a vote. Um those now this is going to be those who approve the denial. Make

sure we get that right. So those who approve uh say I I Okay. Two. Maybe want to take handicount. Okay. One, two. Do we have any more? Maybe do a roll call vote. Roll call. Okay. Okay. Farewell. I do not support I'm sorry. I do not support the motion. Okay. I do not support the motion to decline, I should say. So, I'm I know it's a little confusing. Yes. Burns. Uh, yay. You Yeah. Okay. Yay. To the nay. Stone. Um, I'm going to say no to the denial. Uh, reads, I support the denial. So, that would be Yay. Miley, I support it. Yay. Denial. Mhm. Mango. Uh, nay. That's nay, right? Okay. No. All right. So h we got to die. Fails. Motion motion fails. Huh? Motion fails. Okay. Motion fails then. That's the first time I ever had experience that one. So with that said, then be happy to come back. We can we do a continuation. Then you need to make a Someone needs to make a motion. I'll make a motion for a continuence and that we are asking the developer to return with more design proposals that articulate the landscaping vision. Okay. Uh Fairbell made a motion. Uh do I have a second? I'll second it. Okay. Mangled second and uh no other discussions and those who approve of the continuation say I. I. Those who oppose say no.

When someone from the audience asked um why you couldn't push it back. You suggested the land owner. I have agreement to buy the c the specific that's there. So I have to renegotiate that deal to extend. I see. So she she's not opposed to it. It's just the sequence of your ownership. Um I've approached about acquiring other portions of that parcel they've declined. How many total acres are up there? Well, there's 28 acres um in the stretch that's there and then there's another 20 odd acres to the east uh basically across from the courthouse. So right next to the post office basically. So Cherry Lane to the post office is the phase two. Is that a better way to say that? More down by Fairmont Minerals, right? Oh, the other complete other side. So the 28 acres is from the quality in to the post office fence. Okay. And you're saying you don't have the those that 28 acres doesn't take you all the way to Interstate 80. The four acres that I have under contract do not take me do not just the four acres. My apologies. Thank you. Yeah. I look forward to have an opportunity to present a little bit more detail and hone the presentation a little bit because I I do want to be respectful. I'm only here because I want to improve Ottawa and make the investment in it. And hopefully I mean he is answering questions directly to you. I hope I hope the conversation is good to at least understand. Right. Yeah. This is the first I've I've heard as well. So I'm happy to have further I left my contact information on the letter. So I'm happy to have these conversations to address the concerns. So um our next meeting um we if we have one I assume we are now. So well we got to figure out because it's lays on

Memorial Day. So we got to figure out when we want to have it. Oh, Tuesday after or should be the What's the date? 27th. Sorry, that's the 27th. No, I went too far. My apologies. 27th. Yes. So, May 27th, day after is Yes. That'd be a Tuesday, right? Yep. Correct. Uh, wait a second. City council. No, city council will be in here. Does um anybody have a problem a conflict with Tuesday the 27th? May 27th. No. Okay. I'll yourself. Make yourself available. Okay. So, I would recommend then we go ahead and continue the meeting as voted on uh for May 27th. Um unless there's a delay of anything that you propose, whatever. So, we'll expect that. So, May 27th. Yeah. Yes. At 6:00. Did we vote on Did you guys voted on I appreciate you guys. There was unanimous for the contenders. Thank you. Thank you. Um Okay, that's the end of the meeting except for we have to adjourn. So, do I have a motion to adjurnn? I'll make a motion. Okay. All right. Thanks everyone. Second. All right. All right. Thank you all. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it very much. Yeah. Oh, thank you. Yes. We look forward to seeing all the progress. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks everyone. Appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks. No problem. We got to do something about the microphone. Yeah. You know what?

I understand. If he sat here, this one would do it, too. All righty. That was kind of tough. Mommy, thanks for standing. He thinks you should the future. What the future is? I mean, so we're just we're improving and ezoning something. What's next? Yeah, I think I think he wants you and I know we should have Hey, they're kind of like an idea. Yeah, that's why I wanted to have Did you hear that? We should have looked at that. That's a big number industrial and commercial like that. Industrial be C3 and it's not industrial. It's office research by industrial.