City Council - Regular Meeting

Residents of the city of guests, staff, and fellow council members to our city of Tulare city council meeting for Tuesday, March 17. And as they have, it's Saint Patrick's Day. So with the moving forward to the first items on our agenda is we have the pledge of allegiance and invocation. Our invocation or sorry. Our pledge of allegiance will be led by chief Ott. After the pledge of allegiance, please remain standing for invocation from Susan Henard, pastor of the River Valley Church.

Would you remain standing as we pray? Heavenly father, we just thank you so much for tonight. Father, I just ask you to release your peace and your calm over this meeting. I pray, father, for our council and our department heads as this meeting progresses tonight, Lord, that you would be in the middle of everything that is said and done. You are the god of this city.

This city belongs to you. And, father, I thank you for what you're doing. I thank you for the good things that are happening. And, father, I just pray wisdom, wisdom, wisdom over our council tonight as decisions are made. I pray, god, that you always lead and guide our our council, father, as they make decisions that do concern our city.

But I thank you right now that our city of Tulare is a safe place to come and raise families here, and I thank you that more families are coming and our city's continuing to grow. And as the city continues to grow, Lord, we see so much more activity. So, father God, we just give you praise and thanks for all of the good things happening. And, again, I just ask your presence to be here with us tonight as this meeting proceeds. In Jesus' name, we pray. Amen.

Thank you, chief, and thank you, pastor Henard. Item three on our agenda, proclamations and recognitions. It is on our agenda for a California Parks and Recreation Society, CPRS, awards of excellence presentation. That item needs to be moved to a future council meeting, so we won't be going through the proclamation and recognition tonight. Item number four is public comment.

Members of the public wishing to comment on any item not appearing on the agenda may address the city council at this time. State law prevents council from acting on any matter not on the agenda. However, your comments may be referred to staff for follow-up. This is also the time for the public to comment on items listed under the consent calendar or to request an item from the consent calendar be pulled for discussion purposes. If you are viewing the meeting online and you wish to make a public comment through phone, you may call (559) 366-1849, and the clerk will assist you with your call.

I don't have any yellow cards handed to me. As a matter, is there anyone in chambers who wishes to make public comment? And, Kirk, do we have anyone on the phone? Okay. Moving forward on our agenda, communications.

No communications.

Alright. Item six, council reports and items of interest. Our vice mayor, mister Harrell.

Thank you, mister mayor. On March 7, I was at the downtown association meeting. The twelfth, the employee service awards luncheon. Thirteenth, review the bids on the sports park. Seventeenth, today, attended a luncheon at a congregational church in regards to their going for national registry. And back up on the seventh, I attended a birthday party for one of our

own.

Alright.

Councilmember Segala, if you're ready, I'll, you know, keep moving. Okay. Councilmember Medeiros.

We're making record time here. I have listened to there were similar things I went to that the vice mayor indicated.

Yes. I would need to wish, Councilmember Maderas happy birthday. He hasn't caught up with me yet, but he's trying to. I'm on the twelfth, I attended the recognition service luncheon for the city. On the thirteenth, I attended the coffee for cops at Starbucks. And on the sixteenth, I attended the Tulare County Association of Government and the Tulare County Regional Transit Authority meetings.

Yes. On the thirteenth, I was there with Coffee with the Cop out at Starbucks. Jay, I was I was at the beginning stage with that. So that that Starbucks gets quite a few people that come through it. So it was great to be out there with the team. And then on our agenda for California Parks and Recreation Society c CPRS Awards of Excellence, I was with, our director, mister Orr, down in, the wonderful community of Long Beach, not as wonderful as Tulare, but, receiving the, awards, which we'll talk about in the future agenda item. Look forward to that because the presentation of it's gonna demonstrate some awesome work by or in our Parks and Recreation team.

Yes. Okay. Item seven,

consent calendar. All matters listed under the consent calendar are considered by the council to be routine and will be enacted in one motion without discussion. If discussion is desired, that item may be removed. Counsel, do you have any actions you'd like to take? I'd like

to just for clarification, I'd like to pull 7.7. Other than that, I'll make unless anyone else wants to pull an item, I'll make a motion to adopt items 7.1 through 7.6 on the consent calendar.

I'll second that.

K. We have a motion and a second on the consent calendar. Is there any further discussion? Seeing none. We have a motion and a second of approval of 7.1 through 7.6 on the consent calendar. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Consent calendar 7.1 through 7.6 is approved. Mister Madero, item 7.7, acceptance of community cleanup and employment pathway grant funds.

Just, I wanna compliment, Manny Korea on being able to get this, community cleanup and employment pathway grant funds of $200,000 with very little local match on our part. Kudos to you, Manny. So much so that, can you explain to me item eight c in the in the agreement that indicates status? That's on page four. Specifically where it says, attention, Manny Korea, city manager.

You promoted yourself through this agreement, and I was just kinda curious how you did that because there's other department heads here that I'm sure would like to know how you're moving so

quickly.

I I bet there's not. Good

luck, buddy. Actually,

I I brought it up to him that there was a mistake, and, you know, they they they will send a new contract so we can get to that. Well, that's that's very generous. So

that being clarified, I'll make a motion to adopt 7.7 of the consent calendar.

Before I second that, I I'd like to ask a couple of questions, of Manning. So, again, I appreciate the hard work you put into this grant, and, you know, definitely gonna benefit, the communities on the West Side, and I appreciate that. What what I had was just sort of a couple of questions once the grant goes into effect. I saw the timeline in terms of the time we have in order for it to to start getting into, you know, getting into it and then hiring people and so forth. Would this grant allow for certain type of dump days?

In other words, for example, one of the ideas I've brought up in the past has been to get some roll offs placed on placed in intersections, like, on a corner of Elm And Sacramento by Millcay Park, and then let the community come and dump whatever they want that they don't want. Would would this grant allow for those types of events?

Actually, we can connect it to the alleyways cleanups. While we do the cleanup, we can put our ball off close by where we can because some of the money is to advertise in different languages and everything. So we will be able to send that ahead of time so people can bring. But, of course, I will involve, Solid Waste definitely just to have control of electronics, TVs, computers, stuff like that.

Right. Because I think that I think that would be great. So I'm glad to hear that that that's a possibility because I know there would be we could have some volunteers that help in a particular area. I know there's a lot of valley ways between Elm and Barsley that are troubled some areas. But I I gotta say over the years, the staff has been doing a great job to keep them cleaner than they were years ago. But I I'd like to be able to work with you once that program gets going because I think that would be helpful to take advantage of cleaning the alleyways, but then allowing neighbors to say, hey. You have a couch or some dining room set or something you wanna get rid of, now is the time, you know, bring it to the corner or whatever.

So And it's working. Like I told you, like I told the council last time, we are close to 900 mattresses, like, in a year and a half that is removing a lot of mattress from all over the place. But before any more questions, I wanna say thank you to Jason Bowling. He helped us with the grant and everything too. I don't wanna take all the credit. He started the whole thing. So And I

will thank thank to everyone. But that that was one of the questions. And

Definitely. And

I'd like to like to be able to, once you guys get rolling, sit down with you, figure out different IDs, and try to incorporate some neighbors that would help out with that program. So Definitely. With that, mister Mayer, then I'll second the motion.

K. We have a motion and a second on 7.7. All in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed? 7.7 is approved.

Before we move on, I got I think Tricia was gonna say something. And when Tricia speaks, I listen.

So if she

can We'll just have to be very careful because, like mattresses, tires, those things. Manny mentioned e waste. We'll have to be very careful, as we fill these roll offs. It will definitely have to be monitored because we can't take all of those things to the landfill. They are they are very particular on some of that stuff. So we could work with them to monitor that, though.

Yeah. While they do the the alleyways, we can have personnel keeping an eye on that, and it will be in the advertising papers what they can bring. We'll we'll work with you guys.

Yeah. Because you'll get a lot of people that don't wanna get rid of tires, and you can't take those in the landfill or batteries, stuff like that.

Okay.

Moving forward on our agenda, we're at eight under general business, we're at 8.1 emergency shelter services agreement. And with that, we starting with Mr. Zamora or Mr. Mondale.

I'll defer to. Sure. Counsel, this is an item that's obviously coming back to you, as you know. What we did upon request was we made all the changes and the attached red line between council council's comments from from the previous meeting. We also received comments from the county county staff as well as county council's office.

The one, comment that came from county council's office, is indicated, excuse me, in recital d, which talks about the faith based, requirements that the Lighthouse Rescue Mission has. They wanted some additional language to clarify that, and so I didn't have an issue with that. City manager didn't have any issue with that, so we included it. There were various other changes that they had. I don't think anything objectionable to us as far as county council staff comments, were involved.

And so we brought that, red line back to you, which is now red, blue, purple, and a little bit of green, so you can see all the changes. It's gone through many hands at this point. But then also, Lighthouse via Renee, revised the, exhibit, regarding, it looks like it's about page 20 or so, the purpose and scope, for their policies and procedures handbook, to revise some of that language. So I don't know if the council has any questions. I'm sure Mark and myself are available to answer any questions, but, this is a reflection of the council comments that were received and incorporated.

And so we're asking for approval of the agreement.

K.

With staff's

review and summary of that, I will also open this up to public comment. If there are members of the public who wish to provide comment for eight point one emergency shelter services, is there anyone in chambers who would like to present public comment? Madam clerk, do we have anyone on the phone? K. Council members, I'll open up to questions. Mister Maderos, do you have any questions or comments? Well, I'm like

I'm sure mister Simore has dealt with people like this, but every time you look at it, you say, what about this one thing? And on page 31, let me get there. Eight, paragraph three. It says the lighthouse provides a sufficient number. I'd be more comfortable if it said the lighthouse shall provide. And there was a couple of

I was I'm sorry. That was page 31, section 31?

Section Page one, section three. I'm sorry if I misspoke.

Of the policy document? Yes.

That's correct. Policy and procedures. You You want me to show it to you, or can you find it?

I I think I have it. So under on-site sir security personnel?

Yes. Yes.

Very first sentence. Instead of lighthouse provides, lighthouse shall provide.

And there was a couple of different places in here, and I had discussed that further with the with the mister Mondale previously. But, under policies and procedures on page 41, there was, I thought we needed to really be consistent with with with breakfast items, light lunch, and a hot dinner to each and every, client. There was another place later on where it said it discussed meals and those t two. If you could double check, make sure those two are consistent, I think it would be good. I I wanna compliment the changes that were made as it related to use of vehicles and and monitoring the driving background and all of that were excellent changes that were made.

But other than that, I'm ready to approve the item.

K.

That what I just indicate falls under minor modifications that the city attorney's capable of doing in our usual adoption.

Council member Sands. Yeah. Any question? Council member Sandal?

First of all, I wanted to thank staff for taking most of my recommendations and incorporating them in the documents. I appreciate that. Just a couple of things. The document I'm trying to find the page, but I think it's under the section where if a resident has an issue with the management of the facility, there's a process by which a grievance can be can be heard or discussed. Discussed.

And I think and I I just wanna clarify, would that bring in a third party to kind of address that or be the the person that listens to the grievance? And then it makes reference to a shelter advisory committee, which I was trying to find where that was defined or who served on it. So that that that was a question. So I don't know if the the operator can answer those questions or someone in regard to that specific part of the policy. So how do they intend to sort of provide a neutral place for folks to share their grievances for on the operator.

And then, when it's referenced to the shelter advisory committee, what is that? I couldn't find anything

in the

document. We have a

about that.

There's a protocol to how well, for one thing, every month, there will be a meeting on the floor for all the people that all the guests that are there to and there's also anonymously. They can voice their opinion on what's going on, possible changes that they'd like to me like to make. We do have several of the part time individuals that'll be on board that are already in the encampment. So a lot of the part time sessions will be filled with encampment residents, and there's we've already interviewed them. But as far as the grievance process goes, there's a protocol.

It there there are of course, there's a director. We have the board that can come before the board, and that can happen. They're they're all on the board. We also plan to have a city representative on the board, and that city representative can represent the city if there's an issue that needs to be moved onto the city.

On the board of the lighthouse?

It's a separate board. It's it is it is a lighthouse board, but it's a separate board that's on its own Teleri Cares facility board.

So so do you know who how many folks will be on that board and who's gonna be on that board?

Yes. We do have that. And that that's we have four members right now. We have another member coming in. And so five five members will be on the board. And then if we get a well, hopefully, I know it's not good to have an even number, but if we need to go to seven, we definitely want someone from the city, and we haven't identified that person yet. So

When you have an opportunity, could you forward those board members Sure. Names? Mhmm. And then in terms on the shelter advisory committee, is that is that internal to the to the site, or is that because it it does reference a shelter advisory committee, but there's nowhere Yeah.

I don't I don't know of an actual, quote, quote, advisory committee. I'm I'm seeing the board as that advisory committee if something needs to be elevated.

Yeah. So the only thing that that I would recommend is that you kind of Maybe word word that different. Either you create something around it or jig it out because it basically just says, you know, there will be a shelter advisory committee, but then is it gonna be residents? Is it gonna

be Right.

You know? So so I I I recommend either you kind of expand on it or just get rid of it. Okay. You know? Because it it just throws people off. Like, okay. What what is it?

Alright. So so It's basically

if, Mara, you can help or if you have the word document up in front of you. So I'm on page fifty two and fifty three through the grievance procedure. Where where is it referencing a shelter advisory?

It's at the so on the procedure document, it looks like it's at the end of page 25 of 61 and going into page 26 of 61. And

and just to clarify, they're not connected in regards that there is the policy for grievance, which is what you were looking at, mister mayor. But then in the document, it does talk about a shelter advisory committee, and I was just curious to see what that was.

And I think that's the only place the shelter advisory committee is referenced.

Yeah. No. It is. Yeah. It's only referenced, but there's nothing behind it. Like, hey.

Right. I understand that. Yeah.

So so that's what I wanted to bring up to see if if if you were gonna move forward with that, then obviously define it. And if not, then there's no need for it, I think. And then I think the the last thing is, you know, I definitely will be voting in in support of this. I I know that there's been a lot of conversations. You know, my message to staff, in particular city managers, that I'd like to make sure that, the good, the bad, and the ugly all be transparent in this process. I have been told by the city manager that this is going to be a work in progress. Mhmm. They're gonna be growing pains, and I hope that it brings those growing pains to our attention as they come forward. I hope there aren't any, but if they do, I hope he does bring them forward to counsel.

Right. And, certainly, I'm I'm available for monthly meetings. I can report out quarterly or however the counsel would like that.

Excuse me, Mr. Scala. Something that we spoke with Renee and all the stuff. We since day number one, we opened a temporary encampment. We've been having a meeting every two weeks, and we all agreed to continue with those meetings, every two weeks. So no.

I think that's great. I just want whatever issues come up to be brought up to council.

Okay. So just for clarification purposes, what I can do to make it very simple is Manny's team can they'll do it, like, minutes or just a report out for what was discussed. I can take that and attach that to the weekly report. Would that be satisfactory to council, or does it have to be an agendized item at the city council meeting?

I prefer to be public.

And what does the balance of council prefer?

Weekly report's fine.

Weekly report? Okay. I'll include in the weekly report. And then if there's items that council member Sagala would like to have identified as a council meeting item, he can submit one of the request items.

Or I can read the weekly report during

my council items of interest. Whatever your preference is.

So if

if the combination of the two, that if that memo was included with our packets, that would be a public information document too. Much like we get, like, the planning commission agenda if we get others. That that kind of a combination that, alright. Here was the report that was shared, and then it's included in the packets. Doesn't mean it's formally agendized.

But Yeah. I'm just looking for whatever you it's hard for me to always understand what each of you want, so I'm just looking for you

to That's I'm kinda looking to the group. That's what I'm saying. Does that, Sugala, to your concern?

I I think that touches, that should be satisfactory at that point is if, under an item of interest, what we receive in the weekly report can be inserted at that point, and that's readily available to the public at large. Yeah.

That's a good point. And then I'm

and and then it has full transparency that you've requested. Do you follow what the merit?

Transparent. Well, it

it the public can, at all times, go to everything we have in our packet online. Do you understand that?

And and Yes. But the weekly report per se, I don't believe is a pub is

public public. The modification that we're indicating is that that portion of the weekly report will be put in the Communications. Our packet and our communication so that there's full transparency that you've indicated.

Okay. Right.

I would be Yeah. Do you have any do you understand?

I'm gonna look to the clerk to make sure she understands. Tell us what's the problem or what can be done.

My understanding for what you're saying is that you would like the memo drafted by staff, following these meetings that occur at the homeless shelter to be part of the packet listed under items of interest. So it's not gonna be an actual item that will be discussed on the agenda, but part of the packet to be part of the public record?

No. When you give us a report or a or a synopsis that you include in our weekly report, only that portion of that that synopsis gets inserted as as an item of interest in our packet and is included with the materials that we get that next meeting. So it's it's not the whole thing. It's just that

It's just that section.

That's what she said. It would just be included in her action. Just

I I would like to have a little more clarity on on what type of things need to be reported. I we do it on a daily basis as far as number of beds, capacity, how many you know, that that type of thing. Do you have anything specific you'd like reported out?

Well, part part I mean, whatever I'm not asking you know, I'm not gonna decide what you need to report, but when a report comes out, specifically if there's challenges

Okay.

I would like to know about it instead of reading about it in the paper or hearing from someone else

Right.

That if there are challenges at the shelter, that council be made aware of those as soon as possible. And I don't wanna read a paper.

So Well but then just for clarification, you're already it's being reported to you and reported to all council members. You're not asking for that. You're asking not only that you be made aware of it. You wanna simultaneously have it made public completely.

Yeah. That's that that was the beginning of my remarks that I

finish, and

that's what was trying to achieve there. Right. It's it's satisfying your particular request.

He was Miss So to was asking what kind of things to report. I said, I'm not gonna manage micromanage that. All I'm saying is that if there's issues or hiccups, that that'd be be brought up as soon as possible. That's all.

I I would say in summary of it,

I think to the city manager's concern and and people listening to this, it it comes into pick and choose and perhaps what's mentioned or what's not.

Mhmm.

What I like is Manny had said, and there is it's on the calendar. There's a meeting every two weeks. There's an agenda that go through topics. What I understand is the operational parts moving forward will be mentioned. Challenges would be on that agenda. And I think that my suggestion in combination is it's easier for staff to go, okay. This was the meeting part. Provided personnel, there's appropriate things that maybe wouldn't be, But if it's in that meeting, so to speak, you just would mindful of that. But it would include challenges. And, Mark, you can take that and put that under items of interest, that agenda or set code.

Yeah. Madam clerk, does does that make sense to do something under the consent calendar? Or and I'm looking tomorrow as well because I wanna make sure we're clear on what we're doing.

That's similar to Jennifer's report that we put on the consent calendar.

Yeah. Either either one is gonna be fine.

Okay. I would say we do it under consent calendar. That way, if there's because I think council member Segala's point is if there's a challenge, which is gonna be sometimes hard for me to understand, in his mind, what's a challenge versus you know, I may see something that's not a challenge. That's just something we're dealing with on an everyday basis. If it's on the consent calendar, any of the council members have the ability to say, I'd to pull that up because I wanna talk more about that. Like, what is what do you mean by this here? And then we could have that discussion. It may not be something they act on that they vote on, but they could say, oh, hey. That that's a great point. Let's schedule that for a future discussion or or something like that. That that's not a problem for us.

I have no problem with

it. Sure.

Alright.

You have consensus accounts.

Yeah. Thank you. Just for clarification, Mario, what the other place on meals, was on page four in addition to what I indicated, and I'll I'll correct myself. They are similar, so we we have consistency. Okay. But if you find anywhere else where it sounds somewhat inconsistent as far as meals, it'd be nice to have them identical. Thank you, Renee.

Give me one second. Vice mayor Harrell?

Okay. Alright. Any other discussion or action from council? K. I'd author I'd make a motion to authorize and approve this city manager to execute the revised emergency shelter services agreement with the Lighthouse Rescue Mission regarding the city's emergency shelter project from the term January 1 June. June. Excuse me. Thank you. 06/01/2026 through 05/31/2029.

I second that.

Subject to the minor modifications we've discussed.

Yeah.

The the list of mod the list of modifications or requests that I have was the section of j three that was mentioned. There was a request to provide the list of shelter admin committee info. There was also provide provide counsel later the shelter's grievance procedures, and then you had the minor the modification was just when I didn't where meals are identified that the language is consistent.

Correct. And on in the policy and procedures, page 31, paragraph three, the lighthouse shall provide the sufficient number, etcetera.

K. That we're all in consensus.

Yeah. I will second that.

We have a first and a second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? K. 8.1 is approved.

Mara, before you leave this one, if we could just touch on one other sub subject related to this. You recall in the weekly report, I mentioned that we are trying to schedule the ribbon cutting event, and we sort of have two options to pick from, and I wanted just to get some feedback from you on this. It looks like the good news is, the switchgear has been received, has been inspected, and is being installed, and it looks like it'll work well. That's the electrical switchgear, which was one of the the challenges we've had and and not just us, the entire world has had in terms of getting projects completed because it's custom designed and takes many, many months to get delivered. So that's the good news.

We think that the shelter should be completed the shelter campus will be completed by the May. And so one approach is that we could do the ribbon cutting on Friday, June 5, but what will not be completed is North O'Neil Street. In my weekly report, I said Oak Street. I meant North O'Neil Street. That's gonna probably take another month or so for that to be completed.

So if you want everything completed before we have the ribbon cutting, then we would recommend we do it on Friday, July 10. If you don't need to have the road completed, and the road itself will probably be closed with limited access for about a week or so, Then we could do the ribbon cutting on Friday, June 5. I and I don't I haven't talked to Renee about this from the operator's perspective. You know, I don't see any reason why if you take, you know, operation June 1, I don't think we are we're not pressing you to immediately put people in there. Right?

I mean, we know that Manny's team in the month of May is gonna be in there installing the beds and all the furnishings and equipment and things. So I think we could work out when you actually start taking operate putting operations into place, but I needed to get some direction from council on what your interests are.

Historically, things when we project a date of completion, something comes up.

Can. Can? It can. It often does.

Yeah. Thank you.

My preference would be the July 10. Tenth day.

The Friday.

The Friday.

We think the Friday it doesn't have to be a Friday, but we think Fridays are typically a little bit better. We could probably push it up to July 3, but that's butting up against.

That's that's a bad day.

Yeah.

That's a really bad day.

That's the holiday weekend. We have several events already scheduled. Yes.

Is that a con council consensus for July 10?

Just to be clear, does that mean that we're gonna not moving anyone into the facility until then, or we No.

That's a that's a great question. Because if you want the public to be able to freely walk through the campus and look at everything before guests sort of take possession and have their personal items in there, you wanna wait till July 10 to do all of that, then I would say we probably wouldn't start putting people in there till after July.

Yeah. So if so my preference would be sooner is better. K.

Do you know when it'll be done?

I can certainly talk to the higher power to see about that.

We we do believe we have every confidence that the facility will be done in that, you know, May, early June time period, but that we know not the road.

You're talking like a lawyer does when you

It depends. No. But

I I mean, we've already had an occasion not to in the not too distant past Mhmm. Where the public was allowed to tour the facility. So that's occurred. If it I mean, the ribbon cutting is basically to say,

go. What what if we were to do this council? There's a

This is not like a restaurant, you know, where this is a little different we have to recognize.

I have had a number of people reach out asking if they're they're excited about touring the facility. What if we were to do sort of a tour of the facility on the June 5 date? So it's publicly open to tour the facility between the hours of x and y. That way, those who wanna see the facility before it's occupied can, and then we'll have a ribbon cutting event. We're grand opening of the event on Friday, July 10. People will not be able to tour the facility at that point because guests will have taken up occupancy, but we can't have the celebration of the ribbon cutting on that date.

Because we've hired people to start in this you know, to start position. They're they're, like, in a holding position. Everything's in a holding position. So I think getting the the guests into the facility waiting till the July is not not I just don't think that's a good practice.

Is that a good compromise?

Yeah. Works for me.

Really?

I'm

seeing a lot of head shaking, so we'll take that direction.

It's a ribbon cut. Not really integrated with the

operations and stuff, but it's saying, oh, that's it.

We're done. Your microphone.

I think it's noted.

The operator is saying it's ready to open and have it at that point in time, then then fine.

So the tour on June 5 and the ribbon cutting on July 10. And operations can begin? Yes. Right after the right after the tour, then they can begin.

Okay. Yep. Okay.

Thank you.

Item 8.2, which is the first reader on ordinance regarding EV charging station permit process. Mister Zamora.

Thank you, mayor. We'd ask the council to pass to print an ordinance approving the addition of section one twenty of chapter four of title four to the municipal code, and this is regarding a streamlined permitting process for electric vehicle charging stations. A few weeks ago, we were made aware that, they're from a public interest group that, the state back in 2016 had required that cities adopt the this type of ordinance, and the city attorney had not done so. And so we put this together to comply, with that requirement. Obviously, if you look at the ordinance itself, it's relatively short.

There's a lot of references and materials and procedures that on the back end, I'm assuming probably Mario will have to implement and and make sure that the city meets those processes. But, for compliance for the government code, this ordinance will suffice. So we're asking the council to approve that so we can get started on these streamlined, permitting processes for, electric vehicle charging stations.

K. So with that, I

will open eight point two per open public comment for eight point two, the first reading of the ordinance regarding EV charging station permit process. Is there anyone in chambers you'd like to make comment on eight point two?

Real quick, do we have anyone on the phone?

K. Alright. Couple couple questions. Moving forward, yes. Questions, council members. The this is a this is mandated by state law. Is that correct?

Correct.

But people would be been putting these charging stations in their personal residence for quite some time. Were they supposed to get permits to do that? Because there's a lot of people out there who have. And and Yeah. There there's We won't tattle on some of those who

No. But but this is a little bit different because what's what's different about this ordinance is the streamlined procedure that the city is required to do. So, and the the the background behind this is, essentially so that cities can't make it more onerous or, you know, it require advanced technical drawings or things like that to prevent people from putting them in. So I'd have to defer to Mario on the on the current set of things, but this is limiting what, things that Citi can do to prohibit people from putting them in.

Mario, what's the expectation? Yes. Like, if an electrician is hired to put one of these in, is he supposed to go get a permit from the city?

Yes. They're supposed to. Actually, this can be addressed pretty easily because a lot of what's required by this ordinance, are already doing in practice. This is one of those things that, due to the way the law was written and with some of these legal groups out there that are going city to city. If you don't actually have the ordinance on the books, you know, the the the kind of are holding us to that.

And so we're putting the ordinance so that it's in writing, but it's it's kind of as a mayor council mentioned that, you know, some cities really, it's a state thinking we're not permitting enough of these fast enough, and they think cities are holding this up through the permitting process. So this is a way to ensure that's not happening. But, yes, to answer your question, it's an electrical permit that's pulled to put those in at a residence or we've had some commercial businesses come forward, and we've been able to process them fairly quickly. There's a few going on, going up in town. But, yeah, this make sure that our ordinance is compliant.

So it's not just what we're doing in practice already, but that our code, our development code, has the exact language you're looking for

in the government code referenced.

What's your advice to those out there who have installed the EV chargers in their homes but didn't obtain a permit? I mean, is that I know, like, even water heaters, I think, are a common situation where they're swapped out, but there's no permit obtained. That that's a similar type of thing. Do we have issues there as far as?

No issues. You know, we tell folks not to be afraid. Just come in and and talk to our inspectors are really good about going out there. And if it's been installed, working with you and making sure it's code compliant and, you know, it was done safely. It was done up to code. And so there's no punitive. We're not gonna, you know, go after you. Ah, you didn't get a permit on the front end. We'll work with you

to get it permitted and done right. So yeah.

And what's a permit like that usually cost?

It depends. Usually, for minor permits like that, it's usually just a few $100. K. Depending on on you know, it could be even less if it's I think the chargers I

don't know. They keep updating the as the code, requirements get updated, but those are pretty straightforward permits.

Thank you.

Any other questions, council members?

Yes. In regards to the fees, are those already, like, in the schedule somewhere, those permit fees? So those have been set before?

Yes. Yes. We have a master fee schedule, and we have you know? So that's part of our fee. So would just be an electrical permit. Residential, if it was a residential or for commercial permits, we have fees that we calculate for that. But those have been set.

But okay. Specific to the electric vehicle chargers?

Again, we yes. But with it's an electrical permit. There's certain provisions that go

in depending on, you know, the is it gonna require a panel upgrade, for example? Well, no. Talking about a panel upgrade permit that's required.

So it's it's kinda hard. It's on a case by case basis, but we have a set fee schedule, and so we just go off of that.

Okay. The other question I had, maybe the city attorney or to the city manager, I know we've talked about and I know mister Medeiros has brought this up in the past that we like the city of Tulare to kinda play a bigger role in terms of providing access to electric, chargers, especially off the freeway. I know we have some, you know, we have the those at Walmart. I think there's some at the at the Loves, and then I know they're building some at Vallarta. I mean, six or seven stations or eight stations.

But would it be in a through a different process or this particular ordinance where the council could have a discussion as to where we'd like to have them cited or where we believe they should be cited? Because my understanding is that you just can't put one up. There has to be a whole infrastructure behind it in order for it to be put up. I mean, you have to have access to, obviously, electricity. Right? So but would that be a different type of conversation, or could those things be enrolled into this particular ordinance?

So there's already code provisions, like, for some of the commercial projects,

where you do need to have make sure they're EV ready. You put in kind

of the underground conduit electrical lines. But a lot of these properties we're talking about, if they're private properties so for example, staff has encouraged, like, the outlets. Like, hey. That'd be a great location to have some. But, ultimately, it's, you know, the private property owner's decision to move forward with such a project. The city has, you know, through some of their efforts in with the city's projects, put in a few here and there. I mean, some you can see here. And so I think the city manager wanted to mention something.

Yeah. A couple things. One is, Jennifer, would you speak to the to the outlets, you know, the conversations you've had with them about that?

Sure. I did, send a email or two, to, the manager at the outlet center, and I believe the response was that, they were interested in having EV chargers out there, but they just weren't being proactive about it at this time. I did put them in contact, with the company that is installing them over by Varta, just to see if there could be a partnership there. But to my knowledge, they just haven't been moving forward with any plans yet.

I think for me, counsel, if if this was a counsel you know, remember, counsel is typically a policy making body. Right? So if this was a counsel level decision where you wanted to talk about where you want charging stations, we certainly could an agenda as an item for that conversation. But what I would say to you would be, I would need to understand going into that, what are your expectations? In other words, is it as simple saying the city of Tulare wants a more electrical charging stations and as a policy, we want more.

And here's ideas about where we think they would be good ideas, recognizing that the private sector controls that decision making, we don't. Unless, a, the city's willing to fund the either the installation costs or the operational cost or some portion thereof. And, b, I would want to know from counsel, if you're going to say we want more charging stations and we think these are good locations, Conversely, does that mean you're saying to staff that if somebody else comes in and wants a charging station somewhere else, we're just saying no because you're making a policy decision about where they should go and maybe not with I that we're we can we can that as a separate discussion, but that's the kind of things that I would need to understand because that gives us direction on how you want us to proceed.

Well well, along those discussions, we do that all the time. Right? We have Ria numbers we have to meet, and we have Ria locations as to where we want, but we can't mandate developers to build housing. Right? If someone wants to come in and build apartment units somewhere else that's that's zoned for that, then they can do so.

So The state mandates us to identify and rezone. The state requires us to identify and rezone properties to meet RENR requirements. Now we you're correct. We can't tell that property you must build affordable housing there, but we are required by law to do that. It's a little bit different than what you're

In in other words, the concept is that we created it. We created a spot or an environment. Because what what I see is I would like to see in the city of Tulare, electrical view chart vehicle charging via destination. In other words, somewhere where you go and while you're waiting an hour, charge up your vehicle. You can get a cup of coffee.

You can do something. So, I mean, along those lines as we begin to develop whether in the southern part, the entertainment district or in the northern part, whatever, hopefully, goes into that area to try to figure out where we would like as a council say, hey. Look. You know, we may be I don't know what the what it looks like in the future, but we may be willing to partner with someone that comes in and creates a destination for electric vehicle charging because there is money out there. We're right off the freeway.

And I think, you know, I just like for the city to be a little more formal in our discussions when it comes to electric vehicle charging in the city. I appreciate that put some up, that there's a few at the Walmart. I was there the other day, and it was about four or five cars waiting to charge up. Right? And so, in the queue for the four charging stations that are there. So I like to for us at some point to have a conversation.

And then And I I I agree with you. You know, I've been talking to Jennifer for an extensive period of time if the mayor will allow me. I've got two children who who in their late thirties, early forties that own electric vehicles, and they stop in Tahoe because they they to home outlets has extensive charge electric vehicle charging stations. And my daughter always complains because while she saves money with an electric vehicle, that forty five minutes to an hour that she's there charging, she spends at the outlet mall down there. So it it that's what we want.

We want people stopping on 99 and the outlet malls in the city of Tulare, charging their vehicles, seeing a movie, getting something to eat, shopping at the outlet mall that's there. To me, it's amazing that the outlet mall management hasn't had the foresight to do this years ago. And one of the first things I discussed with Jennifer when she came on board was what, Jennifer? What was it?

Making sure we try and get some charging stations at the outlet mall.

Yeah. And I I just think we have to pound on them. I mean, I don't know as a as any businessman's gonna take a look at that situation and say, what are you doing? There's an opportunity there. And from the city standpoint, what we do when we from an economic development, when we we promote to the point of having a period of time in which we're gonna get our invested dollars back through sales tax dollars. We can almost do the same thing here.

I I I don't just want a couple of comments. I I don't I have to be honest. I mean, I've been involved in these in the process before, but I've never been involved in understanding the mechanics of the operating cost of them. So I don't know if there is a cost to the owner of the property if they go into the private sector or not. So that would be maybe one reason why somebody might not want to do it.

The other reason I can tell you that I've been involved in where I've seen people say no for this reason. There are remember, whenever a private sector development goes into play, they have to build parking to meet the parking requirement for their project. And I have seen developers put in the exact number of spaces to the count that they need for their their development. And then I've seen them say and then when when they come to us and they say not here to city, this city. Was in a different city.

They came in and they said, we wanna put electrical charging stations in, and we wanna use these 10 spaces. We had to say to them, well, you no longer meet your minimum parking requirements. So either the council has to amend the parking code. So I'm just saying there could be other factors that we don't know about that could be kinda tricky. But if ultimately council majority of council says you want to do something with this, I would recommend we agendize it for discussion. We could do a little more research in advance of that. You know, one of the comments that was that comes across my thought process is we could incentivize it by discounting the permit process. I mean, there's a lot of things we could do. I think we should agendize it for that discussion.

Well, mister Seagal is willing, he and I could submit a joint request on this subject and have it brought back, if he's willing. Thumbs up. Okay. That's what we'll do then.

That sounds great. Thank you.

That being said, I think we're still on the sign. Is that correct?

Yeah. 8.2 reading of ordinance regarding EV charging stations. Does council have a recommended action?

Everybody's looking at me. I'll pass I'll make a motion to pass to print an ordinance approving the addition of section one twenty, no space there, one twenty of chapter four of title four of the Tulare Municipal Code as set out in our staff report.

Second.

K. We have a motion and second for approval of 8.2. First reading ordinance regarding AB charging. Is there any additional discussion? Hearing none, all in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion approves. Five o. As an ordinance,

we don't don't we can voice vote. We don't

As long as the clerk can tell that

they're Okay.

It can sound like unanimous. So Moving

forward, 8.3, provide direction on council member Segala's previously submitted agenda items of the information packet. And mister Mondell?

Yep. Council so at the strategic planning council meeting recently, council member Segala raised frustration or concern about a few of the items that he has asked for that hasn't come back to council for a final vote, and I'm not a 100% sure on what all those are. This is I'm gonna share with you the ones that I'm aware of. He recently asked for one item regarding establishment of a no commercial truck parking zone on Inu And West Streets and traffic calming measures on the East Street between Bardsley And Limited Avenues. Council said those did come back, and council gave staff or asked us to do a report back in six months.

So we're working on those. So I think those are taken care of. He asked for there to be a presentation by the Tulare health care providers on the status of access to health care and separately a joint meeting with the College of the Sequoias and Tulare Joint Union High School District. Those are coming back. We've set the dates on those.

So I think those are gonna be taken care of. Two items that I was aware of. One was the and this is the two that's before you this evening. One is amending the city's truck route ordinance as part, well, not as part of the general plan, but he asked for us to come back and amend the truck route ordinance, and he also asked us to, deal with the community garden and art center. Council had previously discussed those and gave some direction, but I I don't know if that direction has been clear enough.

And so those are the two items that are before you this evening. Outside of those, the only other one that I'm aware of is the rezoning of the city's property out by the treatment plan, the annexation or rezoning of that one. That one will come back on the agenda probably at the next meeting for you guys to give us, you know, final direction on what you wanna do with that. If there's others, I'm not aware. So this evening, the two that we wanna talk about, the Community Garden and Art Center, just in a quick summary of those, those did the the the Community Garden Arts Center did go to council for us to talk and see in the community what the interest is.

I'm not aware if there's been a number of discussions in that regard. We have I manager has presented to council the idea of putting a community garden out there on the city where the old former library site is and make that part of what we call the downtown mixed use project, which is actually three different projects that kind of all work together. And so I presented at the council a couple times and said, hey. I think if we put the garden and art center out here, it may be more affordable. We'll have somebody be able to curate it.

The staff report covers some of those points. And so, I'd like to take these as separate items, I think, so we can have clarity. So that's the first one I'm looking for from counsel is what do what do you want us to do with this agenda item? Do you want us to continue going down the path of exploring it? There's no guarantee if we continue exploring it at the as part of the mixed use project that it'll happen.

Those projects might not materialize. But I think those are the ways that we can get it done the most affordably, both in terms of the capital cost and the ongoing cost, and make sure that it's curated, meaning there's eyes and bodies on it regularly looking at it and using it. But we we don't have to go that route. If you wanna go a different route, we can go a different one. I just need clear direction because I feel like maybe what council member Segala is thinking is different than what I'm thinking or understanding, and I just need this issue cleared up so that we can go down a path and we don't have to keep talking about this one. So I'm hoping we could take that one first, then we can get into the truck out second.

Your your status. Understood.

Thank you, mister mayor of council. I I appreciate city manager bringing back, some of these items. You know, I do know there is a tracking page or document that the city managers made it very clear that I have a lot of a lot of items on. So I'll definitely look at those to see what has been dispersed with or or dispensed with. Council, what I'm what I'm looking for is just that there is a process that I believe we all have agreed to and put it in writing in the handbook policy that if a council member brings a council of item to put on the agenda and he or she does a good enough job to get at least three votes that it'd be agendized that it come back to council.

And I do appreciate the city manager doing that more often, more consistent in the last three to six months. But the sort of frustration comes when some of these things get approved through consensus to move forward, but yet take some time to come to council or, in my opinion, are incorporated into other things and therefore kinda get lost in a shuffle. So what I prefer is that things come to council. And if the city manager wants to take the position to argue for or against the item and make recommendations to the council, then that's his purview and that those items be dispensed here. Either they're killed or they're voted to be approved or amended, but that it takes place here at the council.

I have seen some of my colleagues here on the days introduce items for them to be considered. And when they come back, they come back with full staff reports, full budgeted items, full number of things before we can even vote on whether to put them on the agenda. So I just wanna make sure we're consistent that that those things happen. So with these particular ones, the community garden, I have you know, I brought this up a number of years ago. I think the the I think Dennis was the mayor because I think I know some residents sent him a letter supporting the idea of a community garden on the West Side.

And so the idea was to put it at the vacant lot that used to be the clinic South of Cross. And then, obviously, the item got held off, and then we did the master park study. Maybe you recall that to my surprise, community gardens was in the top three or five things that residents in the city of Tulare supported. So that kind of I felt that, well, okay. That gives a little more of a boost to what what I'm doing or trying to do. But then yet, the item got, kind of incorporated into other conversations. What I'm looking for is just to be able to to to come back and say, look. This is my vision. This is what I like to do. If council says no, then I can live with that.

If council says, hey. Let's take city manager's recommendation to do this and that. I just want to be able to have finality on these issues. So tonight could be the night we do on that. And so what I had originally thought was to ask for staff to to take a look at what it would take to create a community garden on the West Side.

I do appreciate that. At that time, the idea that maybe the chief of police, had some concerns about a community garden that might create some some issues, public safety issues. But I just wanna make sure that that that original vision is there. And if the council says no, then they say no. But that that was my goal, to have staff report on what it would take to build a community garden, on the property there on West View former clinic south of of, Cross Street. That's all the simple motion that I wanted it to come to council, and and that's that's what that's what's before you tonight in terms of my idea. But as you can see, you got incorporated into a whole bunch of other conversation.

And and just for the clarification, that one did come to council originally on 01/17/2023. It was considered on 03/07/2023, so we did bring it back for council, and council discussed them. And we did talk about potential costs at that meeting. I it wasn't final cost because I don't know I don't know what a final design is. But council discussed and further consider the item voting unanimously to endorse future conversations with community partners about a community garden.

That was the action that was taken. You know, you hired me, I think, because I have a track record of getting things done. So I didn't sit on my laurels and wait for community discussions to occur, and nothing happened with the project. Instead, what I did is I brought you an idea and said, well, what if we incorporated it into this other project? And then I presented that to you, that concept to you twice, and twice you guys have voted on.

We think that makes sense. So that's my view of it. I I think council member Segala is looking for you, I think, and I could be wrong, but I think what I heard him say is decide if we're gonna put it out that property that he originally asked for. Maybe that's what he's looking for is closure on that aspect that I don't know or a vote to say, yes. We're gonna do it as part we're gonna continue to go down the part of the mixed use project. I just need to I need clear direction as well.

So I go ahead. I drove by there the other day, and I I I think I've indicated before that I think community garden ideas is one that's warranted. The real question is where. The problem with the site when I drive by it is I see a a partial parking lot. I see a foundation.

I see, you know, we're gonna have to bring in irrigation aspects. We haven't been provided what kind of staging costs we're gonna have to spend on that particular site. And the real question in my mind is, okay. If not there, where? And where where can we get the best bang for our buck to get this thing done?

And that's the kind of information I'd like to see. I don't I don't know that yes. We want it on the West Side, but it doesn't have to be at West and and cross. I mean, it's a prob the the idea of selling that piece of property for someone who wants because of what it has already there and taking that money and rolling it into a a better site seems to make more sense to me.

Well, no. I mean, I agree, but that that site's been sitting there for years. I mean, you can create a community garden. And I think that's what I'm looking for, mister Madero, is that particular site. You know? I I've have talked to Manny about it at the cost in the past. Like, hey. What would you think it would cost? And, you know, the design, we can find an architect if the city needs. We can find an someone to do a free landscape architect. But that's kind of the finale that I want. I wanna be able to say, look. You know, councilman Sagala, we want a community garden there. It's impossible. It's gonna cost us a million dollars to do it or, hey.

It's gonna come back and be a couple 100,000. That's what I don't know. I just want the finality. If it's not the best place because the figures don't pan out, then I'm gonna go back to my constituents who call me all the time about it and say, you know what? We looked into it. It ain't gonna work there. We the the council supports the community garden. Maybe there's a different place. So, I mean, that that's what I'm looking for, and that's what I've been looking for since the beginning is let's look at that piece of property. Does it make sense? If not, then we move on.

And and, also, I think we need input from safety, both both police and fire on in no matter where the site is as to whether it makes sense and what kind of issues are we gonna have. So that that'll come up from you gentlemen as part of an overall report.

Well, we did again, we did talk about that when we brought that March 03/07/2023 meeting. Again, I think the challenge here is if I say the word community garden to each of you privately, you each have your own idea of what a community garden is. Like, there is no I can't look in Webster's dictionary and say, a community garden is, you know, x feet by y feet that includes these elements. Right? Everybody has a different idea. So what I can tell you is this, and I think we shared this last time in the March 3 March 7 meeting. If you build a small park, most small parks I mean, talking of, a neighborhood pocket park. Most small neighborhood pocket parks include the things we generally understand. It's got grass. It's got some walkways.

It probably has some type of play structure, maybe a small shade structure and a bench, maybe a little barbecue grill. Like, that's what you're talking about. If you're talking about something that at scale, plus or minus, you're in the range of about 250,000 to $500,000. That would be my guess for the community garden. Now the art center, like, is it a 20,000 square foot art center? Is it a just a little, like, a little wall that has art on it? Like, it I don't have any idea what it cost about art center because I don't know what your definition of an art center is. So it's hard for me unless you're gonna allocate resources. Like, Mark, we wanna take you we wanna take the property that council member Sagal is talking about. Go hire an architect.

Lay out three different designs that has a garden and an art center, three different scales and scopes for each of those, and then and then get the cost estimate for it. We can do that. But to do that effort with the architect, even at a conceptual level, I'm gonna guess that's probably a 150,000. If you you know, 50 to a 150,000 depending how much you wanna see. So I don't I it's hard for me to approach this project versus if we include it into the other project that we're already starting to work on.

Right? I can incorporate that into the design concepts that we're gonna have the other architect do for that project, and I can ask them to eat that cost. Right? So I I'm trying to think of a way to move this project forward one way or the other. You either have to allocate resources and money to go do this, or you let me work on it to find a way to get somebody else to pay for that. Either way is fine with

me. But as far as the art center's concern you know, at the community garden, I'm in favor of proceeding on the art center or not. And the reason is we already have an art center on the West Side, and that's that's what the museum does. Museum has a whole room dedicated to we've got Ken Espinosa here in the audience. He can explain to everybody what that room is, the Centennial Room.

It's an art room that that regularly we have artists rotating in and out. So we're duplicating efforts for really no reason, I think, at that point. But that that's a separate issue from the community garden. The community garden is, in my opinion, what needs to be explored. We don't wanna compete with a museum.

Yeah. Well, the the original idea of of the art center was just putting a trailer there for kids to be able to go and draw and do, you know, things. I mean, I had talked to Xavier Avila from the hospital board, be able to have culinary classes there for people that, you know, were you know, had medical challenges on learning how to best cook. I mean, it was a little gathering. It was gonna be a trailer, isn't it? We weren't gonna build a whole art center complex, but that's technically what we called it. But like I said, I mean, I I just wanna explore. I I mean, now that I'm recalling, you know, when Josh was here, you know, Josh was trying to help figure out how to get an architect to do landscape of design just to bring a concept. And I I don't see how expensive that could be. I mean, to just do a design.

Why wouldn't you work with, the museum to do those same things? Because that's the kind of thing that, they would I'm sure.

Yeah. I mean, like I said, I don't wanna get caught up on the art center. I mean, if they wanna do that and have little kids come and every weekend to learn how to do arts and crafts, know, whatever program they have, fine. Programming they have. But, you know, I think, like I said, I I would be supportive of exploring at least what a community garden would look like there. And I can't see how expensive it would be to get a landscape architect to do some renderings. I mean, if I was a good drawer, I'd drive myself, but I I I'm not good.

The part that I think in touching on this is Mark had said this came up in 2023 as well as on the agenda for in 2024, May, and then also, you know, touched on an elements as we reviewed our list and strategic plan and and then component back on in February 2026. One of the questions that that was asked and as I understood was that the presentation on West Street did come in front of us and that the council did have a discussion, which is to fund now, to jump into this element with all of these costs. And there was a part, I think, of that direction for staff to create this element was not there. But rather, which was touched on, which happens to many of projects at the time, is last year's approach of as we go through items, are we gonna strike this, or are we gonna keep it? And I the city manager, which I had touched on at that point at that meeting, had said, hey.

Council members, really, instead of this competition amongst each other where you have to give this yes or no, keep it on the list. And as opportunities present themselves, let city staff have that strategy. We can come into you know, that was mentioned in the parks master plan. Let us talk to developers. This was specifically mentioned.

I know with Self Help Enterprises of a development project. I know of other developers that the city staff have presented this community garden and and brought that in. Now perhaps of all of those updates of projects being presented at this council meeting, I can't speak to. But a lot of times, those conversations behind the scenes are privy to either developer and city staff and aren't always made made absolute public. My understanding of this was just that.

The West the specific West location, it was not the approval to move forward, not to stop the project, but, of course, see where opportunities were to go. To go out and to get a landscape artist, unless one wants to commune you know, wants to make a donation or contribution to that, that was brought up as it does take resources. It does take time. In my experience of putting together a community garden and operating it on private property and doing that, it's an it's an extremely difficult dynamic. That doesn't turn away of what we wanna do for the community.

However, in quick summary, was it did come to the parks master plan. We do have it in front of us. Council has endorsed the community garden. And third, the direction to understand was keep it on the list, keep it on the table because of opportunities present itself. If we're here absolutely tonight to say, do it now, do it isolated, Get the project prepped to be shovel ready for us to then make a decision.

I'm not there. I'm not there because all of those things do have fees, time, and so forth. Look to council and peers, and I think that's what the city manager and this might I'm not putting words in your mouth, Sagal. I'm not saying that my summary agrees absolutely with yours. What I'm saying is is you do have the endorsement on the community garden.

You did we do have an endorsement to keep it into projects, see what presents itself. And outside of that, to direct staff to take these additional steps right now that if we want, that's what the direction's looking for, then I I look to the consensus of the council of that's, I think, the direction that is being presented in front of us. On its own, do it now, make it happen, or or what. So if there's a change in that direction, I look for the consensus if, of course, if our group if this is on the agenda, we can do that. Are we are we up for doing that right now?

Well, I I don't I don't wanna characterize this as we gotta do it. I just wanna characterize it as, are we gonna continue to explore it? What I mean, even something that would come back in the future that would say, well, we took a look at a council and to hire a landscape architect. It was gonna be x amount of dollars, and it's gonna take x amount of staff time to look at that site. And then we make the final decision.

I mean, we're we're not there. I mean, it it you know, I mean, I I even talked to Josh. I think at that point when I talked to Josh, I had about $10,000 in some I don't know if it was ARPA funds, but that was the money that we had discussed that would pay for the architect, a landscape architect to put some designs. So, you know, I'm not asking the council tonight to say, yeah. Build it there. I'm just saying, hey. Let's explore. If it could still be built there, if not, then we move on. But I I just don't believe we're there yet.

So you On that specific site, that is. Well and I think that's the part which we're entertaining is then is there a consensus that we'd like to put it back on the agenda for an update? We'd like it back in front of us to say, is there an update towards that direction or update that? I don't wanna have to go back through in defining the whole parts of community gardens and arts center. You're saying community garden put it on the agenda that there's an update of possibility of use or status of of the situation.

And and I completely make up my mind. I'd like to hear what council member Sarah and the vice mayor have to say on this issue also.

Well, I I believe that we have already indicated that we want to continue looking at the potential and possibility of a community garden, perhaps allocation of potential sites beyond the West Cross and and West Street site would be easily indicated by looking at the at the map. I don't know, if there's other sites. I I I know there's been talk of other sites just out in the community. For me, I think, yes, we want to look. It was high on the list of the community that they wanted a community garden.

So I think we need to psychologist said we're not there yet. The mayor said we're not there yet. We're not there yet. So I think we're just not at the point of making a decision tonight that we want it on that property on the West Side on Weston Cross right there. But we wanna keep discussing that. So if that means agendizing it for further updates, I'm in favor of that.

I concur with what everyone else has already said. From day one, we were all in agreement that we supported a community garden. However, I cannot support a community garden on West Street. It's not the right location. I think we'd be far better off to sell that property, get the money from it, and move on and find another location for it that would be more beneficial to the entire city. You would not be getting people from the East Side of town going to West Street for a community garden. If you're gonna call it a community garden, you should be expecting that everybody here in town would be going to it, and that won't happen.

So if if I can, what what action, if any, is recommended that is different than the current situation

we're at

right now?

What what is Mark is saying? If this item's in front of us, do we wanna present an action? Or if my summary is correct, it actually is on the list. It is there for opportunities. We have we have reconfirmed, I think, verbally here, there's a consensus that it's in our vision and our horizon. What if if and I look towards the group here. Is there a consensus of a different action than the status that we're at right now?

If I can say it slightly differently Sure. If you didn't give me any other direction this evening, you if you all you said was we wanna keep the community garden in the mix and keep exploring opportunities, all I would be doing is exactly what I have been doing, which is continue to work on the mixed use projects and see if I can get a developer to redevelop the former library and museum site and put a community garden as part of that project, use ultimately, you sale proceeds from the the property on West Street to build the garden, and then have the operator of the senior housing project also curate and help cover some of the ongoing maintenance cost. That's the route I would continue to go down. If you want something different now, here's what I think will be the outcome of that. I suspect if we get to the end of the day where we can make that project happen and you get grant funds because it's just an affordable senior housing project, so they pay for a lot of this stuff.

If we go down because in my experience, that's probably the best way to do this. If we go down I'm not saying it's the best in the sense that everyone in the community is gonna love it. I'm thinking about it from financial perspective. Right? It's not a safety hazard. We don't have this noose around our neck having to constantly pay for replacing plans. Right? We've got a multi we got multiple different partners involved into making sure this thing is successful. If I have a feeling that if I were successful in making that project happen and I bring it to you, I would have probably for certain one vote against it, I suspect. I think council member Segala would not be satisfied with that outcome.

I have no idea if the other ones of you would be satisfied with it or not. So I'm giving it to you from a different perspective. If what you'd rather me do by continuing to explore it is keep that site in the mix, Mark. Yes. But also look at other potential sites. Then what I would do is the same thing we're doing right now through Chris's department where we're looking at the Regional Sportsplex. We're we're getting ready to do a survey in the community. Hey. Do you want a regional Sportsplex? Hey.

What would be in the Regional Sportsplex? Where would the Regional Sportsplex be? We would go through a process like that where we wouldn't spend a bunch of money yet hiring a landscape architect to design it. We would get more community input on it, and then we would eventually bring you back the summary of that. Now I wouldn't do what we're doing with the sportsplex, like, we're hiring Victus to do the economic analysis of it, of how can we attract tournaments to this community, make an economic development engine. The community garden is not gonna be an economic development engine. It's too small. Right? It it won't be. So I wouldn't do the economic study. But after if we went that route, then the next thing I'd bring you is the survey results. You would say, oh, we like this site or that site. That's when you would decide if it's gonna be part of the mixed use project or not. Right? If you picked a different site, then I would say, okay.

The next step is to hire the landscape architect. Let's set aside 15,000 to 30,000 to do just a very preliminary conceptual design of it. That's that's what we did for the woman's clubhouse. Right? Councilmember Sarah used, I think it was 15,000 of her ARPA funds, but that was before an existing building. There wasn't, like, three different designs. It was just fix up what we have. To do three designs is probably gonna be more than 15,000. It's probably more like 30,000. Like, that would be the I'm just telling you the natural progression of where this head is depending on what direction you give me.

So so, mister mayor, how how about we do this? I think I think I got a solution that we can we can move on. So why don't why don't we do this? So I would be I would recommend to the council that city manager find someone that is an expert on community gardens and have them come present to council because we have different ideas of what community gardens are. Yes. The community garden on the West Side, maybe someone from the East Of Mooney won't drive to a community garden, and I know someone from the West Side ain't gonna drive to the East Of Mooney for a community garden. We need probably multiple community gardens.

Exactly.

Let's figure this out. A community garden is nothing more than you're a resident of Tulare. You signed up through a process. This is your little eight by 10 plot for you to feel like you're in nature. Grow corn, grow tomato, grow chilies. It's not very complicated. The complication comes in building it and designing it. But once you have a community garden, you have I mean, it's not so complicated. Let's get someone that can tell us what a community garden is all about so we understand. It's not building a multimillion dollar.

What I'm hearing is I I I I need to wait the community needs to wait until we knock down the museum and then build a a a senior center there and maybe incorporate a community garden. So we gotta knock down your museum first to be able to build a community garden on your on the property that city manager's been telling us about. So I would rather us just find someone that's an expert that can come and do a ten, fifteen minute presentation on these are what community gardens look like. They're not complicated things. They're not. Just a plot of land for residents to be able to grow some chilies and some corn so they can feel close to nature. So that would be my recommendation is let's just do someone to do a presentation.

Just if I could just amplify. I I do agree with what you've indicated that my vision, if this is to be done, is to have small ones in several places throughout the city so that you don't have the problem of traveling from one place to the other. And the and the natural place to start is on the West Side. So the question is, where on the West Side? And that's, the idea of bringing somebody in under those circumstances to give us, in essence, expert opinion on how to proceed from here makes sense to me.

I but the you know, there's a lot of development costs that has to go on. I mean, for a community garden, first of all, you you gotta have water. You you gotta have the ability for people to follow rules that's they're not gonna steal each other. Other people come in and steal crops, so to speak.

That's right.

So that that those are all issues that have to be addressed. So I'll let you take over there, I'll try to be quiet.

I think it's councilman Sagal, if that's your re if that's what your request that is in front of us is there is the Visalia Gardeners. There's a group in Visalia, and there are some or to my understanding, some other professionals that can give input on that, that if that's a consensus of the group of having a a group that can speak towards community gardens, what does that look like? How do they happen, where do they go, and a presentation on that, I I would endorse that.

Sure. Good.

K. I think you have consensus with

that.

Yep. We will go get somebody to come and give you guys a presentation. Let's move on to the next one. Amending the city truck route ordinance. So we explained this was this came from council member Segala on 03/19/2024.

We have explained that in order for us to amend the city's truck route ordinance, we have to ultimately open up the transportation element of the general plan. This this well, we came back on 05/07/2024 and counsel discussed it, the consensus was if direct staff to continue to research on this item. In my weekly report in August, I talked about, look, I I don't intend to bring this one back because here's the problem. We've talked about this in several different ways at different times, including when I meet with some of you, individually, is as soon as we open up the truck route ordinance, we have to ultimately open up the city's traffic circulation element of the general plan. The problem we have with that right now is under state law, once you have two elements of the general plan open at the same time right now, we have the housing element open.

Right? We've been trying to get that one to be closed, but, we don't control all of that. HCD, the state's department, is, continuing to wanting us to make revisions to it. So as soon as we open up the track the traffic circulation element, now we have two elements of the general plan open, which means we have to move forward with the creating a new environmental justice element. We don't have an environmental justice element in our existing general plan. But when we go to upgrade our general plan next time, which will start in January '27, we will have to include an environmental justice element. And so what I have said is, listen. I I don't know what the pressing issue is. Maybe there is a pressing issue. I'm not aware of what that pressing issue is.

I would rather for us to wait and tie this in with a general plan update, will start in January '27. Now it's gonna take three years. It could take longer. If we get caught up in litigation, the general plan, it could take longer than three years. I can't tell you exactly, but typically figure at least three years to do a general plan. Somewhere in that process, we'd be talking about truck routes. Right? There was a and Mario, you could speak to this, a b 98. Right? There's there's there's a a law that was passed that required truck route ordinances to be updated, for certain communities, not our communities as of this year.

And so this is something we are planning on getting to, but I'm not really anxious to open it up now for two reasons. One, cost. If we hire but ultimately because we will have to hire somebody to help us with our truck ride ordinance. We don't have the internal expertise to do all this ourselves, ultimately, to do all the the analysis that's part of that. We have to hire somebody to do that now, and then we have to open up the general plan to be able to make that change.

That's a cost that we won't have to deal with if we just wait till January '27. That already be embedded in the general plan update process. The second issue and concern that I have about that is is if we do this now, we are gonna be opening up ourselves to potential litigation sooner than later. And I'm and I'm trying to avoid that situation. Right? If if counsel decides it wants us to do this now, we will certainly move forward with it now. But that is that is my concern, and my preference is that we wait to do that as part of the general plan. I just need direction.

Thank you. When I brought this up, the idea, the concern was and I had talked to Michael Miller about finding a study that had recommended that no, commercial trucks travel down Barsley. And so when I brought this up about my concerns about commercial truck and the and the pollution and the number of things that happened, by truck traffic going down west on Barsley and up west, I was just focusing on the West Side, you know, and resident councils, hey. What about our side of the city? Right?

So then that's why I believe they got the support to look at what we can do. Since then, as the city manager has explained, are things that that he has determined, could happen if we went the, no pun intended, we went the route to look at the truck route ordinance to see if there were if it made sense to preclude large trucks from traveling up west and and going North Of Tulare Avenue when there's no need to go North Of Tulare Avenue to Prosperity or down Barsley. What I've always wanted was for the council to make the final decision that decisions like those come to council because it was a council supported item. If the council tonight wants to kill it because of the reasons why the city managers explained it, that's it happens. That's the legislative process.

But I believe that my constituents don't need to have that kind of truck traffic coming up and down those streets when it shouldn't. So we've waited this long. I guess we gotta wait we'll wait till January. But the issue is, you know, for me, the council should decide, and with all respect, not the city manager decide to say, hey. I'm gonna not bring this forward. I'm gonna hold it back. It should be a council decision. If the council wants to take his recommendation, fine. If they don't, that's our that's our prerogative. So it's here tonight, and I like to see what we can do with it. And if the council decides not to, then just kill it.

So I'm gonna be quick and jump in this one. This item was in front of us, and it there was absolutely a a consensus on this issue. This this topic has been in front of councils for years. And it my understanding is it wasn't simply Mark conjuring up some bureaucratic process is you have to facilitate with the tran the the general plan update. You have to go to the transportation element.

The bureaucracy outside of this as when we talk about a crosswalk in certain jurisdictions was, hey. Here's the plan a, b, c, and d. Myself, I still endorse endorse that plan, and I think the we we council members, we did get a presentation specifically that walked through these steps. It was council that provided the direction that understood the plan of going into January 2027. And I think quickly, unless we really wanna debate this whole thing, it's not off the table. It's integrated in the process. We keep it, and we go into the the January 2027 as the schedule that the city manager is outlined.

I agree.

I do too. I agree.

K. So there we are with the truck route ordinance. Is there another item, mister city manager?

No. Thank you.

And, Slater, that that item is not killed. It's just deferred to the January 27. It's clear

to us.

I wouldn't say I mean, I don't debate. I wouldn't say deferred. I think it's in the schedule and the plan as it goes post housing element, gets into the transportation element, and we're gonna roll into the general plan because at that time, there's other dynamics in facilitating mandatory compliance

Yes.

Rather than subjective elements per se. It's mandatory compliance, and it works its well way in. And this council has made the decision. We're going to address this issue. We're putting this on the map. We want this process to happen. We want our truck route as well as the traffic, the trucks on West Street and other areas. We have to address that, and it's on our schedule

to 100%. And just so you know, and I'll defer to Mario. Correct me if I'm wrong. We'll be advertising for hiring a consultant to start the general plan update later this year. So we'll issue an RFQ and go through a whole process. And in that RFQ, we'll talk about the things that they need to do, and one of them will be the update of and the reviewing of our truck routes.

So the the the only thing, mister mayor, when my perspective, the particular specific request was killed, and it's incorporated into a bigger, broader process. But what I would like is just an idea of what we're looking at. So when I go back to my constituents, say, you know, hey. I brought this up in '20 whatever, 2025, '24, whatever. And we have to wait till 2028, 2027, 2029. I just would like to get a sense if we're gonna start a process in January 2027 that this will be incorporated into what are we looking at. You just said three years. You say we get this. We get that. I wanna be able to tell my constituents, hey.

You know, I brought it up in 2024. By 2030, we might have something in place. Right.

Correct.

So that's exactly what I understand is this will come into that transportation element. It'll start probably the process we're hoping around 2027. And, yes, that could take eighteen to twenty four to thirty six months.

Correct. As long with everything else that has to be updated in the general plan. It'll be one of many things that has to be updated in the

However, with that, though, is that's how you execute it. That's how you get it done.

If you

to hodgepodge it, it's gonna open laws a whole other bureaucratic mess. If you as a council and political will, you put that in the process, that's how you get it done. We're gonna get these truck routes adjusted. This is this should have been you know, I don't I don't know what the discussion was twenty years ago, but it it whatever took place, just saying. We've we've staked that flag.

Yeah. And I would also add to that. If, for example, any citizens have concerns about trucks going through their neighborhoods, for example, or trucks that are going not on existing truck routes, they should immediately let us know that, and staff will go out there and address that issue immediately. Right? So if that's part of the concern, we don't have to wait till twenty seven for that. You can call us tomorrow morning and let us know, and we'll get out there and and make sure that we handle those issues.

Mister Segala, was there I had a is there other items? We touched on the health providers, the college district. Was there other item that you had? K. Any other comments from council members on eight point three? I did not o I will take a moment for public comment for eight point three on the items for which we discussed on city truck route ordinance, community garden, and art center. Is there anyone in chamber who'd like to provide public comment?

I mean, quick, do we have anyone on the phone?

K. Future agenda items. The agenda said none submitted, but we do have two of them. 9.1, city council review process for contracted city attorney legal council services. Put the form in there for council to read. Direct the recommended actions to direct staff to add a future agenda or take no action. So I'll open if council members had comments, questions, or or direction on that.

So this is at this stage, just to put it

on mind if

I just wait in the back for you guys? I don't wanna disrupt any conversation.

Look at people in a different way.

Well, I'll stare at Terry.

He'd like to step away. I think this is

No. I I just I

just have to put on the agenda. So we're all I I understand that. It on the agenda.

I feel more comfortable if if I did that. Alright. You call me back. I'll I'll be right.

We're just putting it on the agenda.

It's That's fair.

Does every Yeah.

Don't get too far. Is everybody in agreement? I'm in an agreement. You're in agreement. Come on back, Mario. We're in agreement.

Yeah. This just gets that's why I'm

Yeah.

Just saying it's in on there. That's fine.

Time to come back. As opposed to Taco.

You may keep going. Let's we have the Let's go to nine point

got the chart right now.

Let's go to 9.2.

K. 9.2, recognition and honoring Radio Louis, vice mayor Harold.

Anyone that's been around Tulare for any period of time has seen Louis or talked to him at some point in time. He passed away the twenty second of January of this year. His family contacted me and asked if, the city might wanna consider or would consider a plaque or some kind of recognition for him. He was more or less known as the hilarious goodwill ambassador. He loved kids. You could always see him playing with kids. He played he played a mean game of tag. He'd go to garden school and hand out pencils, so that's what this request is, see if counsel would be considering doing something in his honor.

I'm I'm in agreement to put it on the agenda with a concept that can be discussed by staff at that time.

Okay. Anything to add?

Nope. That's it.

Okay. There's a consensus. We'll add that to the agenda. Thank you. Then moving forward, item 10, staff updates. Mister Orr.

Good evening.

First, I'd like to acknowledge the passing of Lorraine Zorn. She worked at the senior center for twenty seven years, retired in 2020. Just wanna acknowledge that. On a lighter note, our spring carnival is coming up April 22, 5PM to 7PM at Monsterrelly Sports Park.

Nothing to report.

Nothing to report.

Nothing to report.

Nothing to report.

Nothing to report.

Next week, I will be attending the ICSC at Monterey conference. Gladys will be joining me as well as, council member Jose Segala. We will be, actually having a booth, and we're sharing that with our chamber of commerce. So I'm really looking forward to, networking with some site selectors hopefully and bringing some more business to Tulare.

Where where is that at again?

Monterey. Oh, in Monterey. Yes. Joining them?

Will. Yes. Cool.

I did have a conversation with Jennifer as to to make sure she provided me direction and how I can support them. And I've already had a number of folks reach out, with some meetings about Teleri, so look forward to the, to the conference.

Nice, Mayor. I'm sorry.

We everybody at those conferences at Monterey, San Diego. Don't they ever have any Gilroy or Mojave or something like that?

Parks too. So, yes, Comto had a conference in Pixley. So, yes, do go to Pixley. Delray, I guess, there are conferences that take place.

And that's it. Alright.

Mario.

Yes. The housing element was discussed briefly this evening, and we're in the midst of a review period for the draft housing element. We'll have the first public hearing at a planning commission this coming Tuesday, starting at 05:30, with the second hearing, projected for city council, April 21. Thank you.

Continue working with overgrown weeds all over the city, besides the dry up in different locations and working couple night shifts with my crew to enforce encampment and checking lighting around all the buildings, for the city.

Nothing to report. Nothing to report.

Nothing in nightmare.

I have a few, unfortunately. Just wanna give you update. The Independence Day concert event is going very well. I'm pleased to report that through the concerted efforts of council member Madero's and staff and the operator and the generosity of the Hillman family, we have a title sponsor for, the symphony itself at cost us $15,000, so it's a very generous sponsorship. We have two additional $2,500 sponsorships that are in development currently and one donation of a thousand dollars.

The operator continues to be working on other sponsorships and donations on his own. But right now, I would say largely through council member Mudero's efforts, that's about $21,000 in sponsorships. And I think we have had a few other council members also helping in that effort. So thank you so much for that. We're getting good reviews online for that event.

The other thing I wanted to mention to you, and I'll do this after council meetings going forward, the weekly reports are, again again, are intended to be communications between myself and council members. Some of the information in the weekly reports is protected information. Some of it is not. But the information that that is not that I think it may have public interest, I'll share those at these meetings. So at a previous council meeting, a question was asked, how much does it cost to rent the Sunwall Park for every you know, what would the costs be for all kinds of different events?

We really couldn't answer that question at the meeting because it depends the nature of the event. But in the weekly report, gave counsel three different examples of what extent events would cost at Zumwalt depending on the type, size, and scope of the event. So I just we just gave them three different examples from real real world examples. That I know everything that I share with you now publicly is available in the clerk's office. If you wanna look at any of this, we'll make that available. You can come and take a look at that. We've also had a question asked about youth programs. Does the city currently have youth programs? To what extent do we have youth programs? What do we spend on those?

So there's a I'm not sure. Maybe three or four page memo that shows all the different youth programs that the city currently is involved in and at a cost of just over $1,000,000 a year to support all the different youth programs throughout the city. As you know, we have a downtown taste program. We've gone through four rounds of review by the committee that council appointed for that grant program. There was just recently a couple different awards granted, and we've got a 115,000 left available for loans and a 105,000 left available for grants.

One of the council strategic plan projects is the Inyo Corridor revitalization project, and staff is getting ready to issue a request for qualifications to select a consultant to study the corridor. We hope to be able to bring you back a selection for that consultant on May 5, depends on how that process goes. But that'll be advertised on the website for anybody that wants to submit a proposal for that. That'll come out soon. We also are going to be I gave counsel Corporation Yard update in terms of a schedule and approximate schedule of the different steps and things that would be involved in that project and when we think that'll come forward.

I mean, ultimately, council will have to make a decision on one if it wants to do a corporation yard update, so they'll need more information to do that. We're gonna have a workshop coming up very soon with these different school districts. And one of the conversations that we will ask them is, do they have an interest in partnering with us on a corporate yard? Each of those entities have to have their own corporation yards and yards for their fleet, including, as electrification takes hold of the state, electrification of all their vehicles. And so we will have to do the same thing.

So if we do look at the possibility of building a new corporation yard, remember our existing corporation yard is 15 acres. It's probably about half the size of what we need, and it's almost functionally obsolete. So we're going to have to go down this path at some point, and I think it needs to be sooner than later. You know, if we have to build those facilities for ourselves, does it make sense to partner with them? So that'll be a question we're asking them.

And I think that was everything from the weekly report that I had. All of that information is available on city clerk's office if you wanna come see it. Come by anytime. That's all I have. Thank you.

Mister The mayor, I had a question.

Uh-huh. Yes. Go ahead. He asked me. Yeah.

Okay. In terms of the corporation yard, I just wanna get an understanding. Are we still pursuing other options to locations, or is wastewater treatment plant site it?

No. We are. We we the RFQ that we'll be issuing, like, in in that report I gave you, we say publish RFQ for preliminary design. That'll go out by April 7, And then we select a consultant. That consultant will be doing a few things. They will be one meeting with all our departments to understand what are the long term needs of the city organization. Right? So you don't just look at the existing corporation, sorry, yard, and we say we have a building for this and that and the other, and we just assume we need that. We may need more or less. So we have to go through a process of determining what our long term needs are.

Then that same consultant will go through a process to determine where is a good site for Corporation Yard. Do we keep it at the existing site and buy the land around us and expand it? Do we go buy another piece of land somewhere else, or do we utilize a piece of land that we already own? They'll come back, and you'll see all that analysis. Once we figure out, you know, kind of what we need and how big it needs to be, then they look at the sites of how big it can fit on each of those areas. And then ultimately, council will pick a site for it to go, and then they will go through the design of actually designing it out, you know, from there.

Because the only thing I wanna do is just make sure there's an environmental impact component. Because if you rebuild one and you start inviting the school district and and the college or whoever else to continue to put more trucks and vehicles in that area, that's more trips. And so that's the only thing I would have. I mean, it's enough that we have our own city vehicles that would have to come in and out of a corporation yard somewhere, but then we start adding more bus trips and other types of vehicles. It just adds more to the pollution. In other words, you know, I just want to make sure we're cognizant of that if it's built around certain neighborhoods that that's that's an issue we address.

Yep. So just two things to that point. One is wherever the school districts build their corporation yards or purchase their properties, they'll be able to store their vehicles. Those same impacts happen whether they're in a consolidated location or multiple different locations spread throughout the city. I'm not making a value opinion. I'm just saying the fact. Right? So ultimately, council will decide, does it make sense to allow them to exist in a lot of places or I say a lot, three, four, five places, six places because they don't have one site, they use multiple sites, or does it make sense to do it in one? I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other. Ultimately, counsel will make that decision.

Regardless of what happens, whether it's us doing one site or them doing multiple sites, an environmental I don't wanna I'm not saying environmental impact. I'm not saying an EIR has to be done. But whatever environmental document and review is required by law, that will have to be done.

K? So with that oh, you had a question. Sorry.

Yes, man. Chief Vincklin, what's gonna happen on the nineteenth on the, eviction?

Oh, yeah. So, twenty five thirty one RCR, the, the juvenile group home, they're having a forced eviction by the sheriff's department on the nineteenth.

Are these are they gonna load these kids in a bus and haul them out or what? Any idea?

We we're not Those arrangements. K. But they're they're

in that Mario, they're under court order in that location.

They're wards of the state. Mario can clarify. Mario. I mean, it's a lockout and an unlawful detainer action that we didn't initiate. The landlord initiated.

Yeah. That's that's not city action. That's from the landlord, and it won't it will be, the sheriff's office conducting the lockout.

But do so know what's gonna happen with a kid? Are they gonna take him to a shelter? Or do they go out and do something?

Do do

not know. It's it's not our it's not our action. We didn't we didn't start it. So well, if that's kind of up to you, I I'm just telling you we didn't start the we didn't start the eviction of the and we can't we else

We've my understanding about 15 young ladies arrived. Oh, no.

So it's,

like Three.

Oh,

three? You followed the if you followed this from the beginning No. I followed it.

I followed, but I'm saying that if

Let me clarify. We've cared from the very beginning because of the type of supervision and action and girls being sexually molested, and we brought that to the attention of everybody. And they the the person who's running that home, we've said from the very beginning, and now our nuisance action clarified that we had concerns for those girls out there. So the mere fact that suddenly that you appear to be appalled that they're being moved, the best thing that could happen to them is to be moved out of there so that they don't continue I know.

I'm not gonna ask you. I've never been part of an eviction, so I don't know how it works. But when I watch TV, people get evicted. They can't get back into their home, and they're all left out on the street. So that's all I'm asking. Are those young ladies gonna be left on the street or someone from social service gonna pick them up, or they're gonna be gone to a new home, or they, hey. Call TCRTA to pick you up, and you're good luck. You're on your own. I just don't understand. I I I've never been part of an eviction. So I

know their awards are the court, so they'll be, handed off to responsible parties, whether their own parents or, their supervisors.

Mayors, so since we don't have an agenda item on this, I'll follow-up, and I'll send the council an email as best I can find out what's gonna happen.

Bottom of the eighth, The US tied it up two to two.

Yeah. We're going into the ninth right here. We're going to recess to closed session

We are.

For a conference with real property negotiations per government code 549568. Council, is there anything else to add to that?

No. Just on the property listed there on the agenda.

Okay. We are recess to closed session.