Town Board - Regular Meeting

Good evening. Welcome to the town board meeting of February 3rd, 2026. If you could please uh rise if you're able for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. I would um like to move that we reopen the public hearing on the local law amendments to prohibit recreational vehicle parking on public streets and residential districts uh and public parking lots um that we had left off with last meeting.

Second. All in favor? I

I uh the law has been updated based on the community input and conversation that we had at the last meeting to um remove the permit and to basically increase the size of uh vehicles that would be impacted by this law to be the larger u RVs that are difficult to see around and um drive around blocking streets and views. So um the definition has been updated or the parameters of that have been updated and that would be vehicles prohibited on town roads and residential districts and then would be allowed in commuter lots like any other vehicles to follow the um rules posted rules of the commuter lots. So that would be uh lot three, lot two, and Railroad Avenue in Bedford Hills would fit those vehicles. And it would be required to pay the $10 permit um during the hours that that is permitted in those lots or it's free on weekends and holidays and overnight. Um and I think we said those vehicles could park for no more than three days. Did we leave that part in or we didn't?

Uh I don't I don't believe we included the time limitation. Oh, no. Yes. Three con sorry for no more than three consecutive days in town lots two or three or the town commuter parking. Correct.

Okay. Right. That was the the Walmart provision. Um um I think there was a concern you know there may be emergency situations where I don't know if we add in there like that there could be um in limited circumstances or extraordinary circumstances authorization by the supervisor of the parking bureau to allow um you know allow an exception to this rule for a limited period of time um just in case there's someone's sweeping their driveway and wants to move their RV out into the street for a few hours, for example. Does that is that do we need to put that in there?

I mean, I'm okay with that. I mean, we have that for we do we did that add add that in for commercial vehicles or industrial vehicles. Um, so it if you want to have it applicable to recreational vehicles, we could add it in and then we'd probably just have to continue the public hearing for one more time. and uh finalize it that way. So if we're going to add that in regarding recreational vehicles, okay, we're happy to add that in and we can recirculate and just it'll be one more meeting where we can finalize it. So

I guess it depends on if whether people feel strongly about having a ability to to do that. We did add it for commercial vehicles in the lots that the that the um that there is a uh the supervisor can override and allow certain commercial vehicles. And we did that, I think, because there were there were certain times when people store certain materials there or or there are movie sets or something like that that go lots that we do for one or two days. So, right, it's up to you if you want to do it for recreational vehicles.

Okay. Okay. Well, I'm happy to hear from the board on the changes that have been made and also the public hearing is open if anyone would like to come up to the podium or raise their hand on Zoom. We are happy to hear uh comments.

Hi, I'm Sally Corbett Turko, executive director Stepping Stones on 62 and 66 Oak Road. Um I think this is greatly improved. Thank you for that. Um, and I I hope I'm reading it right. I think that an RV could park on um in an industrial commercial area. Yes. Okay. Just maybe not for, you know, more than a certain amount of hours depending on how it's marked or whatever. Okay, great. This is much better. Thank you for the

Yes. And I think you were concerned about um a commercial area or railroad avenue. Um, there is parking that is part of the commuter parking that will be signed um for after 10:00 a.m. there can be a $10 permit during the week to park there or on the weekends and overnight. It's free there and you could do it on the app the permit. That's great. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks for your input. It was very helpful. Please state your name.

Okay. Uh Scott Whan, Beford Hills resident, and I am an RV owner. Uh however, my RV is small. It's uh vanbased. Um currently would not be affected by this law. However, if I was to upgrade in the future, I would be worried that my van would It's hard to find one that's not under 20 that might be 20. Um the situation, if I'm aware of it, uh the van, the camper that or RV that's out there now is a class what they call a class uh C RV and you're using 20 ft and the weight limit because of the box and the size of it. They you can get one that has the box and everything that is under 20 ft. So, you know, I'm just saying that you're creating a law that could someone could find a way around it.

Could you So, they're class C. So, mine is a class B, which are van- based. Okay. Class A's are the real big ones. Class C's are uh van chass van cabs or pickup cabs with the box body.

The box body. and they're six wheel, which is another way you could go is to ban six wheel uh RVs instead of uh the van chassis. I am aware I mean I've seen quite a few in town uh a little bit larger than mine sitting at Papinos or down the street and I see the same one a lot of times. So I don't even know if they're aware of this law. The other question I have is the 3-day limit. The way I read it, I could now park three days in this lot, move three days to that lot, move three days to that lot, and just continue, which doesn't solve as long as you're following the rules of the lot.

Yeah. Which would require payment every day. Um hopefully I hear that it's the same price to go to an RV park um as $10 a day in the winter. So hopefully someone But we like Bedford. We love just sitting around here. And also there's no lots in Bedford Village that you would be able to park in. So just my concerns, right? Other than that. Thank you. Thank you. And just to clarify, you can always park any size RV on your own property if it fits. So that's, you know,

right. I think it's less of a concern that um there are a lot more properties in Kona and Bedford Hills that don't have driveways. Um but it could be a concern in Bedford Village for sure. Um, any other comments? So, I would like to hear from the board. Would there be any changes that you'd like to make? Especially if we want to add the extraordinary circumstances provision and extend the public hearing to the next meeting. We can

I don't think it would hurt to add the extraordinary circumstances piece. I mean, why wait till we are in that situation to have to deal with it? So if we can be proactive, I think we should. Um, you know, I feel like I've given a lot of input to this already. So this sort of meets uh, you know, the recommendations that I had made. So I'm happy about that. I am curious cuz, you know, again, I might know a little more about camper vans than I would like to admit. Um, about the 20 you were talking about the camper vans like a sprinter van. That's the Yeah, van is

like the van base. So, it's like 20 feet and then there's 22 feet and then there's something a little bigger. So, I mean, I'm wondering I like I do think that we have to be thoughtful about whether it's the six wheel thing or class-based and a combination of that. Maybe we need to just double check that and make sure that we are covering what it is that we want to cover without being overly prohibitive to people who just want to drive a really cool van that they could possibly sleep in. Right.

Yeah, I I totally agree about the extenduate with really both of your points. Um, and I would say that um, you know, that the idea that this is for safety. We certainly saw this week like our roads can sometimes get very narrow, you know, with all the snow and you know that you know even without the snow there there's narrow roads. So, um, I I think this this does make sense this law,

right? I am uh interested in seeing if there's a definition that we can come to that really um highlights the it really is the boxier vehicles that block use um not necessarily like a more narrow van or um regular pickup size pickup. So, um if yeah, we can look to see um if there is a class that we could um identify. Class A is and class C are prohibited. Um but not Yeah, you want to be careful,

right? I I think we need a recommendation, right, for um maybe it's just box body RVs. Um if that's easy to define that way. I would love to get, you know, down to a place where we're going to land on this. I could um with the extenduating circumst I'm sorry, I

Yeah. No, I was going to say I I definitely would like to extend it. I don't want to extend the public hearing again, but I think it will pay dividends to take the week. Ellen, I like your point of having the supervisor giving the emergency powers for or the emergency um permit uh provisions to add to the RV. If it's in our law already for commercial and industrial, I don't think it's should be the RV should be kind of segregated and pulled out of that. I think they kind of fall in the same line. Um yes, I'd love to go to the close of public hearing today. Uh, but I think even myself, I'd like to maybe look into a little bit more into the six wheel and class C versus just the size. Um, if that's okay. Would you like to do some research into that and

proposing? I would actually I'm actually looking at it now. Yeah, I'll be happy to. Yeah, that would be great. Yeah, I'd be happy to do that. Yeah. Okay. And um any other thoughts or comments about you know really making this about the larger vehicles or anything else that we've proposed? Okay. Any other p any other comments on this topic for today?

Just one question. with the extent that with the authority of the supervisor, would that apply to recreational vehicles both in the lots in the parking lots? That's that's um section C and section B on the streets, you'd have the authority to override the law for extenduating circumstances. Is that what we're looking at? I mean, I think that was that was what was being suggested. Um, is that how it's written for the commercial and industrial vehicles? Right now, it's for they're both in the same place. Yes. Okay. So,

there's an override for the commuter for the lots for parking in the lots, but not streets are allowed to park on the street to make deliveries and such, but not to park commercial vehicles like for long periods of time. So, so I would keep it I would you would just keep it consistent for the lots. Yeah. Consistent with that. It's me. It's more the streets I think I'm concerned about. Um because if somebody is doing something on their property, they need to make their vehicle. They don't want to drive all the way over to Katona to use the lot. Um if it's their own I mean I I would think the exception would be made made for residents who were in a temporary situation where their vehicle off their property for some

short period of time. I mean we have to articulate that but that's what I was thinking would be the circumstance. Not grandma's coming to visit. She wants to keep her van here for her camper here for 3 weeks. Um, okay. Okay. Although my grandmother visited us in her RV and I got to sleep in it and it's like one of my best childhood memories. All right. Um, if there are no further public comments, um, we would, I guess, close the hearing for this evening to be reopened at our next meeting.

Just motion to adjourn it to the next meeting. Right. Okay. So, I'll make a motion to adjurnn to the next meeting. Second. All in favor? I I Okay, one more. Hopefully, one more go around. Get it done. Um, and I don't know if we need to have um I guess we took it out we took the definition out of the zoning code, so we don't need further planning review. Okay,

great. Um, so now we have our Rev Up Coalition steering committee here. We have um a handful of people who worked very very hard to put together the event along with um coalition members on Friday evening, the 1776 Rev Up event. Um that was just really fun, sold out. um got a lot of media attention, got a lot of people excited about the activities in the year ahead to rev up civic engagement and participation and sort of all things um that we can lean into that um inspire us for uh keeping the American experiment going in the future. So we'd love to have the committee members come up who um want to share with us uh how the event went and what's next for the coalition and the events and the youth project that has launched. So thank you all so much for everything that you did to make the event happen on Friday.

Hi Ann.

Hi. How are you? I'm Ann for I'm the chair of Bedford's Rev Up 250 steering committee and we had such a great time on Friday night and you're going to hear all about it. But before we get to that, just want to review uh what Rev Up 250 is, what our goals are, what our mission is. Okay. So, as our nation commemorates the 250th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence, Bedford celebrates with a townwide effort to help foster historical awareness and civic pride while encouraging all generations to nurture the values of democracy, participation, and shared purpose. Together, we will commemorate our past and inspire a future rooted in civic awareness, civil discourse, unity of purpose, democratic values, community service, and opportunity for all. Um, ultimately our goal is to create a platform for connection among all of our civic partners in the town to create avenues for opportunity highlighting Bedford's illustrious history, but also the joy and reward inherent in volunteerism, civic engagement, and intellectual curiosity. The ideals professed in the Declaration of Independence are fully alive in the town of Bedford and are evidenced by the planned events and projects being undertaken by coalition members, of which you will hear more. So to recap, Tavern Night 1776, Jen Ouij and Clayton Rose.

Great. Thank you. Hi friends. Um so to talk about tonight, um Clayton and I are going to chat about Friday night, guys. It was magical. So 1776 tavern night happened at historical hall. Um, we had a soldout event of over 150 tickets sold. Um, and it was amazing to have tavern tales that night that Clayton is going to share with you um, what happened and the magic that was created by Jonathan Krook and friends. So, Clayton is going to share that and then we'll talk more about the media coverage. Yeah, Jen, the uh, the party was literally historic.

It was. It was.

It was. Um, so Tavern Tales uh kicked off Bedford's Rev 250 efforts and it was a series of vignettes uh celebrating uh John J, founding father, diplomat, jurist, New York's first governor and Bedford resident, as well as his wife Sarah Sally Livingston J. Um, whose letters really captured the the spirits of the time. Um, sharing the stage was a uh a very energetic Ben Franklin uh who was a Jay ally. Uh, James Fenmore Cooper was also there whose novel The Spy captured the tale uh of a spy recruited by Jay to expose loyalist plots in u in Westchester County. Uh Jen had mentioned earlier that the vignettes were written by Jonathan Krook who really was amazing. Uh he's a master storyteller. He's been uh featured on the Today Show CBS This Morning uh and the BBC. He has eight award-winning books uh and recordings, one of which is Legends of Legends in the lore of Sleepy Hollow. U he is also a Bedford resident. Um, so he uh really was a genius behind this work and um uh is just a really nice guy too. Super easy to work with. Um uh so uh Jonathan partnered with Katona Classic Stage, which is Bedford's own production, professional production theater company. Uh and they provide the actors, the costumes, and the music. Uh it's a very colorful production. And there are even rumors that this Tavern Tales might become a fulllength play. So we shall

we shall see. Um and with that, as the kids used to say in the days of the revolution, thank you. Great. Oh, and Ellen was also there. And and Tim's gonna I'm sorry, Jen. There was some media coverage.

There was some media coverage. And yes, Ellen was there. Um, so we did receive um from Westchester magazine, we were on the best things to do on their email last week, which was incredible, and they were in attendance. Um, we also got coverage with Bedford Newan Magazine, our friends at Connect, who just posted a fantastic um video online interviewing the Burning of Bedford stars. So, you might want to catch that. um the recorder of course, Upper Westchester magazine will be featured in next month. And um what's in Westchester was there and if y'all don't follow her on Instagram, she has over a 100,000 followers and is always popping up to see what's great and happening in Westchester. So a lot of great media coverage. Um and it was exciting to see our community all together for an evening to celebrate this really magical evening and night and a way to kick off the year. So, it's exciting. And as Clayton already gave a preview, Tim is going to come up and talk about our fantastic student contest that is happening next. So,

thank you. Congrats. That's great coverage.

All right. Uh, so Tim Klas, Bedford resident and high school history teacher. Uh, very excited about the, uh, 250 uh, student contest that we have coming. Uh, so this is kind of the next big event that we're going to be doing. Uh so the idea is to kind of meet kids where they're at and uh they're on their phone so now they get to take advantage of them. Um but uh when it comes to the declaration I I think something about the declaration and and just the whole revolution at the time was that that the people who sacrificed at the time always had this idea that like this is for the next generation. Uh and I think that's part of America today, right? Everyone hopes that like their kids will live a better life uh or have a better life and have better opportunity that they did. I think that's something part of the American creed, American ideals. Uh, and so this contest is really kind of a check-in, right, to see where our young people are at, how they feel about the American dream, which is one of the questions that we've posed to them. Uh, but the task for them is to submit a video of 3 minutes or less. Uh, answering one of the kind of civic questions that we've posed them. Uh, and they'll submit these videos by April 20th with which happens to be Patriots Day. Um and then on May 14th, so uh we have a great community partner um the Kunhart Foundation uh that runs an organization called Life Stories. Um they're a documentary film company and they've decided to do uh they've agreed to do uh a lot of the back-end stuff in terms of helping with uh possibly put the videos together. Uh and then we're very fortunate that the Bedford Playhouse has offered to host an event. Um so we're going to host an event where these students will um be uh some some of the winners will be receiving awards uh and then we'll use that as a chance to kind of talk about where we are today as a nation in terms of what's happening f uh in the future and whether our young people really kind of see the promises and the ideas of America alive um for themselves. So that's kind of the plan. Uh and it's been phenomenal. We've

already had a bunch of our community members offer to um sponsor some awards and uh I can't wait to see what the kids come up with. Great. Thank you very much. It's very exciting and we look forward to um yes getting the getting the students involved. I believe you.

All right. So, some of our signature events coming up for the year um Katona Museum of Art um is doing a Friend Scholar lecture series at Bedford Playhouse. The farmers market of course will be revved up this year. Um celebrated the 250th at the market the 1776 musical will be happening this year. Um Caramore of course is doing their pops patriots and fireworks. Um the trifestto will be revved up this year on September 19th. And of course our countywide celebrations will be happening including the Ward Pound Ridge Reservation um reenactments music on October 24th and 25th. And then um yeah, 1776 the musical. You can find all this information um on the town website and use our local events calendar which has a rev ups 50 section that you can search through so that you're able to see more ways our community is celebrating the remainder of the year. Um and of course we want to thank all of our partners for making the tavern night fantastic. Bark and Bryine Barbecue had turkey legs and chicken wings and cornbread. Um the Bedford Historical Society of course for Historical Hall, Captain Lawrence Brewing Company, Friends of John J Homestead who are doing some phenomenal events this year. Also, Happiness is Catering Hot Ground Garden Club, the John J. High School volunteers who were dressed in their trier hats cuz I learned that was the name of those hats are Tricorner hats. So, I learned that through this Katona Classical Stage and of course St. Patrick's Church for letting us use their parking facility for the evening and of course the police department for helping being there to keep us safe and crossing us across the road. So, thank you to everybody and we are excited to continue rev up for the year.

Thank you so much. Phenomenal. Great job. Thank you. I know Jen, an Clayton, Tim, Lisa, and um a lot of volunteers, Jessica um really um did a lot of work to bring it together um along with all the coalition partners. It really was um people from all over town, all ages um really coming together. you could see the year ahead in all of the collaboration and cooperation among community groups and everyone sort of wanting to be more and more involved um with you know all of the things that really engage people in in the things that people care about. So um that and I think there's going to be a lot of attention on the institutions and our businesses and things to do in our town. Um, so I think the coalition can can continue to expand and um, this will be a great way to to spend the year um, as a community. So, thank you so much. All right, great job. Yay. YAY. OKAY, we will move on to our agenda. Um, we have a consent agenda. Number one, a request by controller Connealy to approve the abstract claims and paid paid priors in the amount of $2,386,426. Uh number two, we have a re a notice of the relevy of delinquent water and sewer accounts. Number three, we have a notification of the resignation for Christina Warner, planner effective February 6, 2026. Do we have a motion to approve those three items on the consent agenda?

Some move. Second. All in favor? I

I motion carries. Under new business, we have request from comproller Connealy to accept the revised capital plan um for 2026. Uh it says through 2035, but um I think what we tend to do is adopt like approve the 2026 expenditures, but we will take a look at um what has been laid out through our department heads and our meetings with them. Um it's in your packet. Um and um there are some projections in here that help us understand um what's the sort of advisable amount to borrow um to keep up with the improvements that we need to make uh throughout the town over you know the next 10 years while not overburdening the tax cap in any of the years ahead as we have to pay that debt. Um, so Compellular Canalia is here to just kind of show us the outstanding obligations and maybe projections for how we might think about um borrowing in in the years ahead. So, thank you for putting this together.

Absolutely. Uh, good evening, supervisor and town board. Good evening.

Hope you're doing well. Um, I just want to speak briefly about the capital plan. Um as was mentioned uh the supervisor, myself and leison on we met with various departments to kind of discuss what their capital needs are uh going forward. Um again just want to make clear that that we're not authorizing bonds tonight. Um this is just a plan which can change likely what's on here for like the 26 and 27 years we we will include in the 28 bond issue. But the stuff that's further out um you know can can still be modified and will be looked at. So these are not bond authorizations. This is just a capital plan. Um I have the plan up. I just want to go through like a couple of items. There's a uh there's 123 items on here. So I'm not going to look at every item on the plan here all night. Uh but I want to look at some of the bigger ones and maybe some of the significant ones. And ju just before we do that like I want to just kind of explain to operating versus capital. So usually the operating budget that we adopt every year that's kind of like the big thing. Um but capital is also very important if not equally important. The the operating focus is on one year. It's almost like cash basis. So, you could have a financial plan going out multiple years, but it's focused on a one-year budget and whatever is not spent then goes away, right? Like it goes away and then we we begin again the process next year. C capital is very long-term in nature because you're you're accumulating funds either through like grants um reserves and whatever is not funded through that source will usually be bonded but

usually majority is bonded. So we're talking projects that span multi-year are typically very expensive. There's also equipment stuff we buy that could be one year, but a lot of it is multi-year projects that commit to town and in addition to the construction, then we have to pay the debt service on that which commits us multiple years. So, it's it's really just stressing the importance of really planning well because we're we're locked into this debt service for multiple years. So, we want to make sure we're not having fluctuations up and down every year with our debt. Um we're looking for as much as we can like a steady level of debt service and you know good planning kind of ties into that um to be compliant with the tax cap um but also invest in the infrastructure we need for the town to make sure we're doing what we're supposed to do. So just want to kind of put that out there first.

Thank you. So just the way the spreadsheet's laid out is we have the fund, the department, the description of the item, the year, the total cost. We have offset amounts where if we have um a grant that we're getting or if we're using some of our reserves that are reduce the amount that we'd have to bond. Um the net cost would be what we would bond going forward. Um before we look at any individual items, I also want to mention just got a few notes. Um so right now we we'll end the year with approximately $47 million in outstanding debt. this 10-year capital plan um is about $38 million of potential bonding we would do over a 10-year period. And of course, some of the the 47 million will drop off. So, we talked about kind of like a level debt service and I will take you through a few items. Does anyone have any questions before we go into this?

I mean, I have a few items that I flag, but I'll let Brian go first. Yeah. So, one, and my questions are more general about the accelerated amortization. Do you want me to ask those now or later? We could talk about now. Yeah. Okay. So, first I wanted to know, do we have any penalties for prepayment? So, if you want to prepay a bond, you have to make sure it's callable, right? So, if a bond's outstanding there, you know, there's two things where you can refund a bond. So, if the rates change, we could look at refunding, right?

Um, we may be in a climate of like rate drops potentially. Um, so we kind of periodically work with fiscal adviserss, that's our debt advisors, to see if there's any bonding that we can refund to save some money on the future debt service. Um, if a bond's callable and you have like a real builtup reserve, you you could also call the portion of the bond. So sometimes you can't to answer your question. Sometimes you can't based on the way the the bond is structured. You can't call a bond early, but there there's provisions in there to when you can call a bond cuz if somebody issues a bond, they want to make sure they make their money, right?

So they're not going to let you refund a year later, you know, if it drops. But so the answer is yes to to um in some circumstances as many we can.

Okay. Um so the other question I had is we are awaiting the schedule for that amortization if we are going to be prepaying any of it to accelerate. Do you know if we tend to do if we've done in the past or if we're expecting that schedule to be more frequent payments or do you think they're going to be larger payments in general? So, we plan to use the method that we've used in the path. We we talked about there's two methods you can use to finance that. Um I'm not a uh a bond attorney or fiscal adviser, but just in in the way I speak, um there's like the weighted average method

where you could take a look at your total debt that has the varying um useful life. So, when you bond in New York, you bond for individual projects. there's something called uh ppu period of probable use. So for instance like um a major water project could be 40 years where a patrol car could be three years. So there's one method where you kind of take like a weighted average allocation um and you could bond based on that. The other method is you bond based on the individual ppus of every project. So, we've been doing that and kind of paying things off faster. And I think what what you're saying is a good point, too, because we're being consistent and we've been bonding every two years, but we've been paying things off maybe a little faster than other municipalities. So, it's kind of been working for us, but I ran my own preliminary projections. I just don't want to present them here tonight because, you know, I'm not a fiscal adviser,

but I would like to follow up to show what the the advertisation schedules would look like once we get the the debt advisor schedules. I think I'm pretty accurate. I was just curious because of reading that in the memo and then I started going through the scenarios and it's fine. I was just wondering more generally.

Yeah. No, it's a good question because we really got to look at our annual service every year. So I what I ran is we're going to have some increases in some years and we'll pull up the schedule later. Um but we want to make sure that we're not having major fluctuations in our annual debt service. The good thing is why you know why it's also important to have healthy reserves. We have $27 million in unrestricted fund balance right now. um you know which is very healthy fund balance and some of these projects we have to do like some infrastructure is aging um you you can't if the building's 70 years old it has to be replaced right and there's a cost not replacing equipment so some things are like must do projects

right um but if we have annual debt service spikes we can dip into some of our reserves to help offset that cost without going to the taxpayers and potentially breaking in the tax cap. Yeah. Right. Um so, yeah, it's a good question. Um you know, I think if we we had to worry about taxes, we'd probably have um a capital plan three times the size. Got there's so many there are so many things that we we have on the list and I know we've been a lot of them we've been pushing them off. Um, yeah,

but knowing that we're going to need to do them, I don't think we're in the, you know, going to risk not, you know, doing not doing something that we, you know, desperately need. But there are things in here like water main replacement that will need to happen at some point and we want to do it before we have,

you know, a water man, you know, disaster. Um, so also a hard one, um, because it's it's very expensive and, um, it's a there's a lot that goes into that. But um yeah, but it's on the list and we're getting closer and closer to having to do it and things like that. And I know there are a lot of things people want and ask for and I think this is an important list to look to um to say like we really are, you know, if someone says we really just want that new, you know, indoor pool complex. Um you know, it's like, you know, we've got to take care of um the most important things first. Yeah, you definitely have to kind of look at like what type of priority to go first, like what what's the must do. Um, again, like you said, if we can push some projects off to wait to when our annual debt service starts to drop off when we start paying bonds off, we do that. But, you know, sometimes you have to do it. And, you know, we may have a few years at a little higher spike in debt service, but that's just what what has to be.

Okay. I mean, I think when we initially got the department head requests for 26 27, it totaled something like $18 million or $17 million. So, we've worked hard for the first two years to try, right, to try to get this um realistic and prioritize like what we have to do and what we um you know, what we want to do. And so, I think this is more reasonable, but we definitely want to make sure going forward that you know, as you've said, we're not overburdening the future. Yeah, it's it's a delicate balance. And to your point, I pulled up the the memo. Yeah, I think we were like 18 million for for 26 and 27, right?

Now we're down to like 3 million for 26 and like 5 million for 27. So the these are like the hard things that we have to look at during these meetings to to kind of when we time things. Yep. Yep. Thank you. Thanks.

No problem. So, I I just sorted the plan um based on if you look at column H, like the the highest ticket items because those are the things people want to see, right? Like what's the most expensive items? Um the the first three items on here are all the pool complexes. Um I know Chris I asked him to call we asked Chris to call in. He's on there. So, if there's any more specific questions, u I'm sure he could feel those, but I had a conversation with him just before and you know, there was no major reconstruction to our pools in 40 years. So, he's at a point um that the infrastructure is aging. some of the pumps aren't really being able to being used on the new pool just because the technology is newer.

So, we're at a point that we have to start looking at the pool facilities with the priority being Bedford Hills. I think is there's more of an immediate need there. Um, so for the first three items are 4 million each for each of the pools. Um, we have Bedford Hills estimated to begin 2028, uh, Katona 2031 and Bedford Village 2033. We're also commissioning like an engineering study this year. We bonded $100,000 I think in 24, right? Yes. 24 25

to do that study. So the study will will happen in 26. That'll kind of give us the scope of the work that's needed and we're hoping to begin in in 2028 this project. Right. So we could go up to bid in 27 if we're ready to do that. So it could start in 28. Correct. Yeah. Um we might bond in 29 like authorize in 28. But I guess we'd have to rethink about it because if we have a lot of serious capital costs, we would need the cash flow for that, right? So, we'll determine like the actual data would begin. Okay.

Um I believe Kevin uh our DPW commissioners also called in if there's any questions. Do you want to make them project that's been discussed for long and we're getting to a point where it's going to have to go. Um we have three uh $3 million on for the Crusher Road project and that I guess Kevin's on um to share that's in that's in multiple phases. I So there's two phases. The first one we have slated for 2027 at 1.9 million. Um the second phase is a million dollars for 2028. Okay.

So just under three million. Okay. So, are there multiple I know there are a couple different buildings? I think there's a trailer that is the offices over there and other is it because there's like multiple buildings or it's just the the project's going to take that long that we can bond over four years. I I think Kevin's going to have to answer that question. I'm not exactly sure. Okay. On that. Sure. Good evening everyone. Good evening. So

the uh there is one main building there and we also have material storage for winter materials meaning salt and sand um and also for the materials we use on the dirt roads. So the intent would be to replace the main building which is about 70 years old and in poor condition and also upgrade our storage to be regulatory compliant to have adequate amounts. And the first step is to have a review of the entire facility by an architect uh which we're currently working on and planning. And then yes, it's intended to phase in two different years although the exact phasing has not yet been determined. Okay. Thank you.

You're welcome. Thank you. You know, water water infrastructure is also very expensive, not just here, everywhere. Um, we have for our water infrastructure projects with throughout this list, there's about $3 million plus allocated for that. If you look at this column, you could see some of the items. Um, we have the Lily Pond tank painting 900,000. We have the membrane 1.1 million. If you go further down, we have some some water main replacements. Are those all in the consolidated water district? I think so.

Uh, the water main replacement is the the tank is Yeah, the three projects you mentioned are all in district. Correct. which is good because there's obviously a lot more um customers in that district as opposed to the smaller districts, right? But that's come that is a that is um that debt service gets paid for by the water customer by just the the water people those who are served by that. Okay. Yeah. And we'll we'll look at the debt service schedule just briefly later. We you know we have a a larger bond falling off in um like 2031 which we'll look at. So again just timing of some of these projects. Okay, great.

Um, another big one, I know that our our planners here to talk about a potential grant we're going for, so I won't really get into this, but the total cost is 6.6 million. Uh, the town would potentially be responsible for a million 320. So, that's on here. If it gets approved then we go ahead with the grant application and that would be for 27 correct that is uh for 20 for correct 2027. Okay. So ju just those items alone are more than half of the $38 million on this capital plant.

Yeah. Um then there you know various other items. The the vehicles and equipments especially for for highway are very costly. They went up dramatically in prices over the last couple of years. There's a long buildout for many of the of these items. So you know here if you look we have various vehicle equipment and highway um truck. In addition, what we've been doing is we've been budgeting annually for paving in the operating fund, but to kind of supplement that and be a little more aggressive in our paving on this schedule throughout various years, we have over $3 million allocated for paving. Paving is always very popular, one of the main town functions. So, you know, we've allocated money for that on here. So, those are like the the big projects that cover over half of the $38 million that I just wanted to put out there. If anybody had any specific questions, we have the two best people here to answer it. Um, I want to just jump over to to our debt service schedules. And I don't want to like get too specific in here, but these are all our bonds that we have outstanding currently. So, we were mentioning this EFC bond will be up in 2031. We'll see a significant drop in debt service after that. We'll look at the totals in a minute. Um, again, you know, that's not for townwide, but a good portion of the taxpayers will receive a reduction for that on their overall tax bill. It's it's been the town's philosophy. You know, if you look just at the bonding about every two years, we've been bonding in the last 10 years. So you here there's a little skip, but then 15,

17, 19, 21, 23, and 25, which we did recently. If you look here, this is kind of what we look at. Um, we look at total debt service for every year. Um, we try to time the issuances with drops in debt service. So, in recent years, we kind of been like around like the 5 million plus in annual debt service. If you look down to 2031, you know, we start to see a significant drop to about 4.5 million, right? Then if you look every year, we get lower and lower. So this is not with the capital plan. This is what we currently have. So the the near-term projects, the more we can push off to kind of overlap with the future years, it'll be a more level debt service.

Yeah. So we're not going up and down on our tax rates. Um I I ran my own like projected numbers. Um I I don't think we're like very far over if we did everything that we planned in terms of Randall debt service, but I'll present that at a later time. Um, I think that in our current annual operating budget, maybe with a little bit of use of reserves, we could accomplish many if not all these projects and still have like a a level debt service level. So, that that's kind of like a high overview of um the capital plan. Hopefully that makes sense to everybody. And uh that's all.

Thank you. uh questions. Dr. perhaps, but first a comment. Thank you for making this English. Thank you.

Um I really do appreciate that. Uh and and maybe cuz I was really trying to decipher things, I might have missed it, but I'm curious. I know that you talked about the project that the planner is going to be bringing to us, you know, regarding sidewalks and that kind of thing, but I'm wondering if there's anything else in the plan that's directly tied to our Bedford together comprehensive plan or is that going to be stuff that we're going to be seeing going forward because so many of these projects were kind of on the the list well before we got the comprehensive plan together. And I'm just curious about how we make those things align. You know, that that might be an answer that um I know the planner's coming up next.

Mhm. Uh I don't necessarily when we did the plan look at what's on the comprehensive plan to like the capital needs for the department. Um I think she probably is best to answer that question of what what else in the plan ties into this. Put a pin in it. What's that? I said we'll just put a pin in it. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks. Other questions? You answered all, so thank you. Yeah, thank you. Okay. Okay.

So, our um we're not bonding for this now and I think some of these numbers might change based on I guess we want to hear from the projections from financial adviserss. Yeah. So we would bond probably in third or fourth quarter of 2027 and you know we push that off to make our first debt payment in 2028. So I would just like to to meet with um our leison on um council bicker and the supervisor just to show what what the actual total cost is with real hard numbers and if we want to scale things back or push things off a little bit we can do that.

Okay. So, I'm not sure if you want to like adopt this tonight or or wait on it, but we could always modify it, right? I mean, I think we want to we want to give confidence to our department heads who want to start working on some of these projects in 2026. Um, which ones, you know, we're giving the green light for. Yeah. At least know we're going to bond for them and borrow in 27. So, maybe after we hear more firm numbers on the projections, we can at least accept the 2026 plan. Um I added later meeting. Okay. Because um but yeah, I think this looks good and we worked hard to get it down. Um I think we were going to check in with the historical society on some of their thoughts on the buildings we own that they lease. Um

so the Sutton clock tower we maintain the exterior. Um I think they maintain the clock. So we could find out, you know, how in need that building is of the work here. and also the um old courthouse. I think there was a discussion of painting one side or the side with the sun. Um you know how we're going to move forward with some of that. So I think we're going to check in with them on those. Um yeah, I think they may come up with some private funds to match some of these projects too, right?

That would be great. Um, okay. We have the Kona playground replacement on there, which is going to I think they're already um talking about with the recreation parks advisory committee, some um resident outreach about what that project looks like. So, we definitely want to, you know, know that we're moving forward with that this year. Um, okay. So we can look at those numbers and you know perhaps adopt the 26 um to move forward at the next meeting. Okay, sounds great. Great. Any other questions while Chris and Kevin are still here with these projects? No. All right. Thank you for joining um Chris, Kevin, and Brian.

Thank you. All right. Thanks a lot. Okay. Okay. Next up, we have our director of planning, Jessica Younglood, to talk about um I lost my place, but I know it's to talk about the sidewalk grant project, the TAP grant. Um so, thank you for coming for joining us in person. Absolutely.

Okay. All right. So, the New York State Department of Transportation makes available something called a transportation alternatives program or a TAP grant. Um, these are really great grants because they are super helpful to municipalities. It's a deframent of 80% of the costs. Therefore, the town is only responsible for 20%. In the world of grants, this is extraordinary. Um, and it's a really um helpful thing to to us as we're looking at budgets as there are a lot of priorities and competing priorities for the town. Um, so there is a deadline coming up. It is March 12th. Um, we've had to already do a little bit of work in order to let DOT know that we're interested. Um, but full deadline is March 12th. And really the two tap grants we'd go after are for phase one and phase two. And phase one is to um construct the design elements that we've already done for Hannes Road to Harris Road for the Route 117 pathway just outside here. Um and those are really to provide safety improvements, better crossing for pedestrians across uh the on andoff ramps to the Selma River Parkway and improved signage. Um and then phase two is to look at the design and construction of taking that pathway northway from Harris Road all the way to the existing sidewalk network um that is a little bit before the um gas station on the eastern side of Bedford Road. So right before you get into downtown Katona where you would turn to like La Familia for pizza. Um so that would be the those are the two grants. They're going to be separate. So there'll be two applications going in. Um and the the estimated project budgets we've come up with so far um is using crate planning who were the consultants from the Hudson River Greenway grant. So that was a grant we received in 2024 is for $50,000 which designed the phase one component. So we're really just dovetailing this project uh that we completed through HRVGA into um the next succession which is uh obviously leading us towards construction. So just in terms of money since that's sort of the topic of um this evening uh we look for an approximate budget of just about $ 1.9 million for phase 1. Um and then since

it's phase two is design and construction that number does get bigger about $4.7 million. Um but if successful the town share at 20% would be approximately $1.3 million. So all in all a pretty good bang for your buck. Um and again as the controller said we we would look to start this in 2027. Um it takes a while for grants to to get going. So that would be the various earlier expenditure we would see um on the town's uh part. Um one of the things that would be important if the town board is looking forward to or is a supportive of um submitting this grant is to start the seeker process um which is to just name yourself lead agency. Um again you're the only ones who could do this um and to request my department to circulate the lead agency notification and it needs to go out to a couple different agencies um including DOT. Um, this does give us a couple additional brownie points in the grant application and since it's really no skin off our nose, it's just an advantage we should go ahead and u move forward on. Um, so that's really the the the request in a nutshell. Um, the grant applications are um, you know, fairly straightforward. Um, there'll be some letters of support that need to come from various community groups that um, either my office or in tandem um, with the supervisor's office can reach out. Um, but we will look to get some of that done. bit more of the boilerplate budget plans um resolution from the town clerk. Things like that would be a little bit more proforma and we have a lot of that on hand. So this is a great opportunity um and I would like to recommend that the town board does um support this request to put in. Again, no harm, no foul. Um but if we do get it, it's it's a great opportunity for the town.

Thank you. Sure. Thank you very much. Um any questions? When would you when would we know if we got the bricks? Christmas time of this year. So, it'll be a while, unfortunately. And I think we've we do understand that the communities have received multiple of these grants at one time that went into the decision to apply for phase one and phase two at the same time. So, we hope they continue that decision making process. Yeah, you never know. Well, it does seem like ambitious to apply for two, but we have heard communities that have received like especially when it's one long project in phases that they have considered multiple. Yep. Yeah.

And it does make for one contiguous project which is um in the eyes of the DOT it does seem to be um a way to receive a lot of points and again it furthers their efforts um as DOT is looking to kind of break from more um auto oriented types of projects and look at alternatives, look at bicycles and pedestrians and things like that. So again, not only are we satisfying what our comprehensive plan set out to do, but we are actually achieving the goals that the DOT has set out for. Great.

Okay. So do we have a motion to approve the submission of the TAP grant? Um first well and to declare the town board lead agency for the purposes of um conducting seeker. And was there a third? Oh, and to approve the allocation of funding should we get the grant. Correct. Thank you. So move. Okay. Any second? My only question for the for for the planner um as far as preparing the EF on this for circulation of lead agency. When do we expect to do that as far as is that going to because we'd probably need that to declare lead agency. It's my only thought on it. So I would put that together this week because I don't know.

So my only thought would be maybe have that EAF before the town board and then declare lead agency next week. I don't know if that affects the timetable, but uh that was my only thought. So I think it would be more more appropriate to have the EAF before the town board and then they can declare lead agency on the 17th time table. That's my thought. Okay. So we will do that next time. But in the meantime, we will authorize submission going forward with the grants. That's true. And um the funding should it should we be successful in our grant applications. Um any questions? I guess we've had a sec. We have a second on that revised version. Yep.

Okay. Um, questions? You know, I know we've seen the plan for phase one. Um, and we had traffic safety working group look at it. Yep. Um, I don't know if anyone's seen the plan for phase two. Um, I'm I can present that next time since I'll be back. Great. Love to see it. Sure. That would be good. Um, and I don't know if traffic safety working group has had a chance to look at that. No, but they reached out and I said it was a little premature since I hadn't been to your board yet. So, I did indicate that I would visit them next time after seeing you guys. Okay. Okay. Fantastic. Y um All right. All in favor? Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you.

Um do you want to ask your question? No. I asked it before. Oh, was there anything else on the capital plan that um you wanted to speak to with respect to the comp plan? I know that wasn't you weren't part of the um those meetings. There were sort of department headdriven um and I think a lot of them right were on there already.

I cannot specifically answer exactly. I did not really go through the comp plan for everyone. or in the capital plan. But I will say that um it is completely within the board's discretion obviously to approve a capital plan. Um but generally what it is is it's your the projects that you would be approving are just sort of in concert and um informative to what was done in the comprehensive plan. So it's not necessarily a specific one to one, but if there are infrastructure improvements that have to be made because they're for the betterment of the community or for a specific neighborhood, that's in line with a comp plan. Um the plans sort of are like a sister document to the comprehensive plan. So it's not that every single thing has to necessarily be stated in the comprehensive plan that yes, we're going to replace a water man. That's a little too specific and myopic for the comp plan. Um but I would venture guess that a majorities are going to be somehow supported by one of the recommendations. Um but no, I didn't I'm sorry I didn't go through. Well, an example though would be um putting the there's I think $500,000 for the roof on the train station in Bedford Hills and that that would be to improve that building to achieve some of the goals in the comprehensive plan to revitalize,

you know, that downtown Bedford Hills in that specific location. Yeah. Right. It's all in furtherance of but it's necessarily not necessarily called out as a specific recommendation in the in the implementation section in chapter 4. Um but I would like helpful language for us to connect for the people who are paying for it, which is why the question was posed. Sure. Thank you.

No problem. Thank you. And I do think it it is worth um taking another look at that plan and you know really tying in to make sure these are in line with that which I believe believe they are. Um, you know, I know there's a new line here for um some planning for a potential sidewalk on Route 22 in Bedford Village, which um you know is in line with the walkability goals. Um, but I think there are other things in there that um, we do need to start making plans for and we need to start allocating or applying for grants for planning for some of those things. And um, that would be really good to start to highlight what are the highest priorities for that

um, and start looking for grants and possible future adding to our, you know, 10 years uh, going forward. So, thank you for asking the question. Okay,

thank you for answering. Um, we have a request by Blue Mountain Housing Corporation to approve a waiver of standard building planning and zoning permit application fees for all affordable building all affordable housing built construction or um existing buildings that are owned by Blue Mountain Housing or um where Blue Mountain Housing has been uh supportive of the development either by selling them the property or um helping invest in that parcel. So, um, this was a request. There's, uh, something in your packet. Blue Mountain has been facilitating the refurbishment of affordable housing at the Doyle House in Kona at 123 Bedford Road and um, also had purchased the property and sold it to um, a developer at MLAN Street or four um, four ownership affordable units are being constructed. all of those projects um the town board also supported through um grants of ARPA funding. So we are also in some way related to the success of those projects. Um that's very important to the town. So um do we have a motion to approve this request to wave the permit fees

and they are all 100% affordable. I'm sure they are 100% affordable. So we'll see if there's a motion on the floor and then we can discuss. I'll make the motion. Second. Okay. So, um, questions, discussion, thoughts, Mitch? So, I I guess, um, I I'm I'm in I'm I'm in favor of this philosophically, but just from the perspective of, you know, is have we are there other circumstances when we've waved fees like this for other entities? Like I guess how, you know, how do we think about making this decision so that it's, you know, fair for everyone and, you know, is um, so that's I guess I would love to have a conversation about that, right? And

it's just highly unusual. Um but I know um for example when like the fire department um built their firehouse um that was paid for by taxpayers um we we found that we could wave those fees but um it hasn't happened often I don't think for other projects. So I think you're right. The municipal entities and and Blue Mountain's sort of a quasi municipal entity in in a sense it was formed, you know, for the purpose of creating um affordable housing in the town by the town board. Um so uh I think given that circumstance as well, I think that that

and that was also a concern. So I spoke to the controller and if this was something that happened a lot in Bedford and we were able to steamroll through and make a lot of affordable housing, it might be a larger concern, right?

For better or worse, we don't have a lot of affordable housing going up and Blue Mountain is providing a service. we do this, you know, how often do we have Blue Mountain doing this and and having to wave these fees? So, it's not something that happens very often. And so, I don't think we're really setting a precedent. So, I think we're able to go beyond the philosophical and able to do this practically. And the other thing that we discussed which is set out in here was that we wanted to be very careful that we are not taking on the other expenses that we're not paying other outside consultants or anybody else. So as long as that's clarified then you know I'm comfortable with that.

I think it's just the standard planning zoning permit application fees and those um fees associated with permits. So, if there's an escrow for an engineer or a um electrical inspection by an outside person that normally is paid for by the applicant, then yes, that would have to be. But I think this is just talking about the main fees. Um yeah.

So, I I think that makes sense. And I think just this is a conversation is is getting towards being very like specific about why we're doing this and how we're doing this. in their letter I think it talks about um that the buildings are all that they would all where it was waved they would be all afford you know 100% affordable housing buildings so you know what's what specificity could we bring to this right it wouldn't apply to those with only one or two units um that are affordable have to be for all affordable right

yeah I I I agree and you know um but fundamentally there's still work that's being done by, you know, the building department, um, and, you know, other parts of our municipality. And, you know, I struggle with it being 100% waved. I support a reduction of the fee um, even significantly, but I think to suggest that the process doesn't cost us anything, right? And I get that they're quasi government and all that, but I think there's work that's being done that, you know, the department to some degree should be compensated for. So I I appreciate the sentiment and I do think that if we make it very narrow, you know, 100% affordable, Blue Mountain, you know, etc., that that'd be fine. But I I'm not necessarily in favor of 100% waiver,

right? Because I think what you're getting at is that we're going beyond subsidizing and then it's costing the town because we have people doing work for free that would otherwise be done for residents and it's costing taxpayers and I don't think we really can say that this can cost taxpayers. So, you know, we should be covering whatever we would feel is the administrative cost of doing that business. Well, the administrative costs are are the costs of those fees. That's that's what has been determined. There's not those fees generally are not for profitm purposes that you know. So, um,

right. And so, I don't think that we can cover the administrative fees, but I think to entirely discretion that we can I think you have discretion how much you want to reduce by. If you don't want to reduce it 100%. I I mean but I don't think it's to say that this is there there are salaries that are being and there are volunteer boards that are working on this. Um there are salaried employees that are working on it. Right. But there's no expenditure. Um it's a loss of it's a loss of revenue for the town but there's no expenditure. So right a loss of revenue to make up for you know to yes

supposedly make up for the administrative cost but again there's no out of pocket. I think there's also I mean I think there is a and this is commonly there waving permit fees for um something that's desirable to you know the town and the plan and things is something that's done in other places. I was going to ask if there's are there other towns online as reductions as are reductions, right? So that's not totally um as a incentive or um you know way to make some of these um opportunities more affordable. I know that, you know, especially some of, you know, the MLAN Street project, I think, you know, they started working on that in 22. Yeah.

Um costs have gone up and, you know, so this is one way that they're asking to try to make this a little bit, you know, easier to get done. Um but no, it's true that there's there's definitely like time and um effort spent and so maybe there is a reduction that we could consider that isn't 100%. Um and also, you know, Blue Mountain doesn't, you know, have very much funds right now and there's not a lot of plans for them to do a lot more, but you never know. um you know and we may want to reserve that um you know for not being 100% every time if they start doing more projects. Um so do you want to make a motion for

or it could be 100% up to a certain dollar amount within a fiscal year or something like that if that makes people feel better. I don't know. Or it could be a percentage of fees. I I don't know what the building construction fees are. Um you know I don't know what the percentage of building construction fees are going to be. We can go with the percentage. I mean, I would say 50%, would you say half? I'd even be more generous, but yeah, 50%'s fine, too. 50. Do I hear 75? Just I mean, honestly, instead of doing something arbitrary, I'd rather look into what other towns do if they're doing a reduced fee and see what they base it on.

And somehow, I think that's going to be me looking into that. So I'm happy to look into that. I'd love to see Bobby what logic you come up with with their with with respect to their logic. I'm okay looking into that because I'd rather see on what basis they're doing it rather than come up with some kind of arbitrary figure. Yeah. Okay.

Right. And I think um you know it goes back to there aren't a lot of mechanisms to incentivize affordable housing. um if that's something that we want. Uh especially, you know, most a lot of the vehicles that are available to developers are for large developments, which we're not going to have here. So, there aren't a lot of ways to, you know, try to help when um we did have ARPA funding, so we did give some money to these projects. So, there we did find a way to help already. Um but if we, you know, that is one of the tools that, you know, communities use. So, it would be great, Bobby, if you could find out what they do in other communities. Um,

that you know is reasonable. And also, we could ask, you know, how much time um might be spent on some of these things. Um, okay. I think, you know, the renovations obviously are going to be a lot less than um the construction. New construction. Construction. Okay. So, we will um table that until the next agenda, next meeting. Um we have a request by the police chief to sell to retired police vehicles at public auction. Do we have a motion to approve? So moved. Second. All in favor?

I Those vehicles get a lot of use. Um and we have a request to um I guess we received notice of a resignation which should be on here. Um I don't know why it didn't get on here. We got a notice of resignation for Helen Kopal committee. Was it on? Oh, no. No, that wasn't Helen Kopal. Um,

a new residence in another state. Um, so she cannot serve on the ethics board. Um, but we had interviewed a lot of people um, several people for this um, and had sort of a runner up that was in mind. So, I'd like to accept the resignation of Helen Popal and request to appoint Mary Hearnstat to the board of elect uh ethics effective on uh today, February 3rd, 2026 through it's a 5-year term, February 3rd, 2031. Do we have a motion to approve? So moved. Second. Any discussion? All in favor?

I motion carries. Are there any public comments? Anybody on the miss? Okay. Um, do we have a any board member announcements?

Yes. Um, on hold on Friday, February 13th at 10:30 a.m. is the senior's Valentine's Day brunch and pre-registration is required with the recreation department. Thank you. This weekend we have the community market coming to Bedford Hills. Recreation parks and the Bedford promoter have put that together. There are, I think, eight or nine vendors coming for a indoor market in the winter. So, please come support that. I know a lot of people expressed um they wished the Bedford Hills indoor market came back. So, it's back. It's going to come once a month uh in uh February, March, and April. And um just once again, I know I've said it a lot, but that was a big snowstorm last week. And thank you to all the town departments who are out there. Um it was a lot of snow. We don't have, you know, we don't really gear up to deal with that level of snow. Um we so it takes a little longer than our normal approach, but um they did an amazing job. They worked non-stop for like 5 days, including all all night long trucking snow and moving things around. So there's still work being done. Um I know people are still have issues with certain places but um all in all uh it was a herculean effort and they did a great job. So thank you. Um okay there being no further business this meeting is adjourned. Thanks everyone.