Town Council - Regular Meeting

Good evening. I'm calling to order the town of McCandless meeting of town council, February 9th, 2026. Will everyone please rise and remove your hats for the pledge of allegiance to the flag to the republic indivisible.

Thank you. That was beautiful. Love hearing all the voices. Um we'd like to begin today with a few announcements. Number one, with the cancellation of the January 26, 2026 town council meeting, certain staff and liaison reports will be pushed to the February 23rd meeting of town council. All action items that were slated for new business as well as the presentation of the financial report will be heard at tonight's meeting. Second, we with the hard work and support of Senator Liz Lindseay Williams and State Representative Arvin Bencat, the town of McCandless has received $350,000 for storm sewer lining project as part of the small water and sewer grants program that replaces aging water lines and updates water infrastructure. Thank you, Williams. A town of McCanda certificate and street sign presentation by Nick Stallman from the Ottabon Society of Western Pennsylvania on becoming the 96th town.

So would you all like me to stand here? So I am here on behalf of Ottabon Society of Western Pennsylvania as well as through our partnership with Birdtown, Pennsylvania to say that whereas this community is working to promote conservation and stewardship through sustainable land care practices, habitat protection, and the restoration of natural system function to create a healthier environment for birds, wildlife, and people. The town of McCandless is designated an official bird town of Pennsylvania. And I would definitely like to thank Jeff and the rest of the EAC and everyone else who formed the bird town committee and everyone on the council that approved this. We really do look forward to working with you all on creating some more bird friendly practices. Whenever we received the application for this, I sit on the committee for approving the applications. I literally looked at it for about 2 seconds and was like, "Wow, this is going to be the easiest one ever." You all are already doing some amazing stuff and we are hoping just to partner with you to continue to create some amazing resources for birds and people. And with me I have brought two of the street signs.

So these uh whatever you want to do a photo.

Yeah. So, might not be the perfect night for this, but we're we're honored with this. And this is just another effort by the Environmental Advisory Committee, the council, an idea that was brought by Councilman R to us last year at the litter cleanup brought to us. We worked on it. We put it together with this with this township and uh we're honored to do it. And we think this is another step in education um in and in advancing the environmental interest of this community. So, we thank you for this new also like to invite everybody to our April 25th roadside cleanup.

130 of us last year. We invite you and uh we know that a lot of you there attend that. So, uh we love to see you there. So, we get a quick picture and Yeah,

everybody. I put my face right above my bird's I'm sure. Thank you for everything you showed up.

Thank you for being involved as a young person. Thank you for coming. Thank you. Thank you. Uh just one of many more reasons why is such a fabulous place to live. I'm very proud to be a resident here. Uh do we have any other announcements from council before we move?

Yes, ma'am. President, uh I'd like to recognize two people. um the past man. Ken Ross was a long time Ross mission that spent the last 15 years of his life here in the families. He served a lot of people that and Robert Deari gave to the youth of this community almost in une fashion heard. He was also on television as a volunteer service. So I'd like to take a moment absent on this in their memory.

Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. W. Uh any other con announcements from council before I move? Hearing none. Next we will move on to the public comment on agenda items only. And we'd like to make a couple of reminders here for everyone. Um at this time citizens may address council on any issue whether appearing on to this time citizens may address council on items appearing on the agenda only. We ask that only residents and taxpayers of the town of McCandless to be permitted to address council. Speakers will be permitted to speak for a maximum of five minutes. Groups of people who are want to designate a spokesperson will be allotted some more time, but we ask that you respect that spokesperson and not have people come up and repeat. Citizens are asked to use the microphone here at the speaker stand clearly state their name for the record and keep comments brief and to the point. Please spell your name if it's hard to spell so that we have it for recording. Speakers are reminded that council uses these comments as opportunities to gather information and not we will not be responding to questions or comments directly. And I do want to remind everyone because I think there was some confusion today on resolution of the town 206 2026-03. This item is not up for a vote this evening. This item is a item of discussion. We want to hear what our residents have to say and we will not be voting on this matter today. It will be up for a vote on our at our February 23rd meeting. Just want to make that sure everybody is clear on that. So at this time we will ask that you please approach the microphone. We ask and I know we will all be orderly. We will all be polite and we will give each

of our neighbors, friends and residents of this town the opportunity to speak. So if somebody would like to approach now, we absolutely make sure there's since they don't state their and if you want to take a go out of the room that would be okay. We are at maximum capacity here. We don't have want to have to turn anybody else away. Thank you.

Good evening, mad madame president, members of council. As an informed and interested citizen of Mandalas, I would like to express my unequivocal support of the proposed resolution 2603 which establishes an official policy for the enforcement of noncriminal federal immigration laws. I applaud and thank the members of town council for addressing this critical and timely issue. Frankly, it's startling to me that we need to address this matter at all. Every American should be outraged by the violation of constitutional and civil rights, as well as the blatant disregard for due process by ICE, the Department of Homeland Security, and Washington officials. The acts of cruelty, violence, and inhumanity being enacted on a daily basis under the guise of law and order by the worst of the worst authorities is unconscionable. And we must do what we can to protest on behalf of and to protect as we can those who are the targets of this unspeakable behavior. And we must do it now. The authors of the resolution articulated the need for action well as they set forth among other things the following. Mandalas has a long has long been a place of opportunity regardless of background, racial identity, immigration status, gender identity, sexual orientation, religious belief or non-belief. and town council remains committed to celebrating diversity and assuring that Mandalas is welcoming for all and all

individuals must enjoy equal protection of the law. That's equal protection of the law regardless of immigration status including the right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. I cannot improve upon these words that so aptly convey what is right and just. I agree with council that an official policy needs to be established which states that mandalas will not enable or assist ICE or CBP related to civil law enforcement or ICE program 287G. This, I believe, is the least we can do to help to rein in the abuse and the power grab by federal agencies. I offer my personal support to town council to assist in any way to further this cause. After all, we are all responsible for what happens in our community. Thank you. I I was going to ask that maybe once one person's speaking the next person could be ready to take take their place right after.

Good evening. My name is Diana Clive and I live here in McCandless. I support our community not wanting to sign a 287g agreement with ICE. As a long a lifelong church member and follower of Jesus, the violent, destructive actions of ICE have left me devastated and angry. I understand that people may be afraid and that it takes real bravery to step out on this issue. I also understand people's concerns about illegal immigration, but there is no moral, constitutional, or religious practice that justifies the horrific pattern of behavior that we are seeing right now. Cooperating with ICE to invade our streets and communities will make us, all of us, more unsafe. My prayers and thoughts always come back to Jesus's lessons of tolerance and love for all people. He died for our joyful, peaceful coexistence. Experience is a hard teacher and we have been through this type of vicious hatred many times. It never ends well for any of us. I vote yes to never engage with ICE. Good evening, esteemed town council members, McCandless residents, and honored guests. Tonight, we address a matter that reflects our community's core values of compassion, respect, and shared humanity. Many concerned community members are raising thoughtful concerns about resolution 2020603 which would establish a formal policy prohibiting cooperation between McCandless and federal agencies noncriminal immigration laws. We can all agree on several important principles.

McCandless should be welcoming. Victims and witnesses should feel safe reporting crime. Police officers should focus on protecting public safety and constitutional protections must always be respected. Resolution 20263 goes far beyond reaffirming these values. It establishes a formal policy of non-ooperation with federal authorities including a prohibition on future collaboration even at situation that may enhance public safety. Consider the case of Nancy Guthrie. The FBI does not have jurisdiction in that case, but they are assisting local law enforcement under the spirit of cooperation. Mcandas Police Department policy today is that it does not formally work with ICE. They do not formally work with ICE today. However, they will take a phone call from time to time. And they got a phone call last year and they were requested to assist. And when they uh were uh asked if they had a warrant and they said no, we did not. We stood down. So the issue is not whether uh local police should enforce civil immigration law. They are not required to do so. The concern is whether the town should adopt a permanent policy that limits flexibility and formally distances itself from federal law enforcement partners. If someone commits a crime in McCandalist and is also unlawfully present in the United States, cooperating with federal authorities may prevent repeat offenses and protect residents. A policy that restricts such cooperation raises concerns about whether the town is necessarily limiting its options. McCandless Police Department upholds constitutional rights of all its residents and visitors. The department has not entered any agreements or partnership that compel

police officers to enforce immigration law. We acknowledge that such responsibilities are federal and local enforcement prioritizes public safety and the enforcement of community laws. ICE does not request small local police agencies to to participate in ICE program 287G. An immigration attorney informed me that this program is typically reser reserved for larger uh sheriff's departments. Even if ICE did request it, it would require town council's approval. Local police already enforce criminal warrants and court orders. This authority remains unchanged. The question arises whether codifying a non-ooperation stance is necessary, prudent, or even legal. I recall an instance when ICE requested assistance from Mandalas police which was rightfully denied due to the absence of proper warrant. Chief Hawk might want to elaborate more on that. We urged the McCandless Town Council to recognize the McCandless Police Department has adopted a balanced approach. They protect victims and witnesses without questioning their immigration status. They emphasize crime prevention and public safety. They preserve flexibility for cooperation with federal authorities when criminal matters are involved. Please consider the potential unintended consequences. For instance, your actions may result in an influx of illegal immigrants into a new sanctuary community, perceived community, uh, or even compel the establishment of a new citizens group reporting potential illegal immigrants to ICE. Both of these measures would likely diminish public safety and foster unnecessary hostilities. Requir acquiring applications for new qualified police officers is already challenging process. Your actions will make it even more difficult as you tarnish the town's reputation with unnecessary police regulation. As the

old adage goes, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Nick, despite our political differences, I've always commended your thoughtful decision-making. And as a on your a Republican council, we refrain from engaging in national politics. Our legacy encompasses improvements to town infrastructure, includes storm water controls, roads, smart development, enhanced parks, and addition of 17 acres of green space. Trish, I hold your servants heart and dedication to fairness in high regard. Your level-headedness and thoughtful approach have been instrumental over the last four years in helping restore morale within the police department, administrator's offices, and public works. Employees are now proud to work for Macandas. Why jeopardize all that for a political resolution?

Good evening. I'm Cindy Bl. I'm one of the pastors of Ingamar Church on West Ingamar Road and I'm here tonight to speak in support of resolution 20263 which affirms that local police should focus on local public safety, not federal civil immigration enforcement. Programs like 287G blur that line. They create fear and distrust between immigrant communities and law enforcement. And when trust breaks down, everyone is less safe. We know this plays out in very real ways. When police are perceived as immigration agents, victims of crime, especially people like domestic violence survivors, are less likely to call for help. Witnesses disappear and crimes go unreported. I want to be clear, detaining first and asking questions later causes real harm. Families are traumatized. Children experience fear that does not simply disappear when someone is later released or found to be documented. Trauma cannot be undone like that. There's also a fiscal responsibility issue. In Pennsylvania, taxpayers pay approximately $144 per detainee per day. Money that ultimately benefits private detention contractors and shareholders. While local communities absorb the social and legal costs, federal reimbursement does not fully cover officer training, supervision, prolonged detention, or legal liability. Multiple studies have shown that 287G agreements do not meaningfully reduce violent crime. Yet, they pull officers away from the work that they are trained to do, protecting neighborhoods, preventing crime, and building trust.

As a pastor, I also want to name the moral dimension. Scripture repeatedly calls us to uphold human dignity, to care for the vulnerable, and to pursue justice that leads to peace. Policies that rely on fear or profiling based on skin color, accent, or last name undermine those values and weaken our shared community. This resolution does not prevent police from enforcing criminal law or honoring valid warrants. It simply affirms that immigration enforcement is a federal responsibility and that McCandless will not entangle local policing with civil immigration enforcement. For the sake of public safety, fiscal responsibility, and human dignity, I urge council to adopt resolution 20263. Thank you for your time. Thank you.

Hello. My name is Dana Camarada and I want to congratulate the four new people that have come into the council replacing the Republicans. Um I want to speak to you tonight about concerns regarding the transparency within this new council. Um in particular, we've had three men recent young men recently join the council. While each campaigned on a range of local issues, none of their platforms involved anything on the federal level, let alone immigration law. Um, for example, Nick, you focused on improving storm water management, strengthening community services. Garbage pickup would be a great thing to get us all involved to do. Look how many are here. Let's let's work on something like that. Nick, you emphasized addressing climate impacts and in prioritizing investments in wa wastewater infrastructure. These are our important local concerns. Why are we going after this? There was no transparency that was done between the Republicans and the new council. Um, I also want to mention Jack who is a highly motivated recent graduate who brings strong energy and a desire to contribute. He talks about bringing practical experience from the front lines of governance which is admirable. But right now our priorities must remain keeping our communities safe, keeping our taxes low, ensuring our streets are safe and maintained. And we don't need to get engaged in major political issues. These these new members are young. They're unexperienced. Most have probably not left the homestead and therefore have a lot to learn about the life of business. I agree, you can laugh, but I'm glad that we have youth. However, I'm very concerned that the Republican leaders were not informed about the town council resolution and it establishes a policy enforcing noncriminal federal immigration laws.

This was handed behind closed doors without including all council members and is disappointing and not in line with the transparency our residents expect and for those of you young men who um promoted yourselves about doing that. Um my biggest question is to those who chose to implement this resolution and why why now you have so much to learn and there are so many essential responsibilities right here. We should be focusing on what matters most to us locally. Keeping our communities safe, maintaining the infrastructure, addressing everyday concerns. We do not need to be involving ourselves in the federal government issues that fall outside the town's scope. I would like to see that the new administration work closely together and and and work with the younger people that are involved, teach them through up through the ropes, um, and be transparent. And I don't feel that we have transparency and it's a terrible way to start off teamwork. The last four years you all worked so beautifully together. A lot got accomplished in the township of McCandless and I'm really proud of that and I would just like to see that everybody collaborate together especially with the experts on the staff and in the town in McCandless. And lastly, I just want to remind people about the sunshine law. There are regulations requiring transparency and disclosure in government or business. Sunshine laws make meetings, records, votes, deliberations, and other official actions accountable for public observation, participation, and/or inspection. Sunshine laws also require government meetings to be held with sufficient advanced notice and at times in places that are convenient and accessible to the public with the exception for emergency meetings. This I don't feel is an emergency situation and a vote does not have to be passed within a week. I

ask that you allow the community to talk more about it amongst ourselves and we all put a vote on it. Thank you. I'm Barbara Richards. I would like to speak to the topic of adopting a policy for Macandlas that ensures our local resources are used exclusively for the benefit and safety of our community, especially as it pertains to cooperation with federal immigration enforcement. I have a petition for 45 Macandlas from 45 Macccandless residents who believe that the proposed resolution 2026-03 is a fair statement as to how our town should proceed. I hope that each council member will vote yes as soon as possible and pass this resolution as it reads. I emailed a copy of this petition and the list of names to each member and the town council and I would like to um uh submit it for the record. Thank you.

Hi, my name is Diane Wilmont Wot. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak. I want to start by saying that I understand immigration is a deeply personal and emotional issue for many people and I respect that not everyone here will agree with me. I support ICE because every country has immigration laws and those laws matter. ICE does not create those laws. Congress does. ICE is tasked with enforcing them, including going after serious criminals, human traffickers, drug traffickers, and individuals who have already gone through the court process and receive removal orders. I believe it's possible to support human treatment, due process, and accountability while also supporting law enforcement. Those ideas are not opposites. Abolishing demoralizing ICE does not fix a broken immigration system. It simply removes enforcement while leaving the laws in place. If we want better outcomes, the solution is real reform, clearer laws, faster court processes, and a system that is fair, orderly, and humane. But until those changes happen, the laws on the books still need to be enforced. My position is not about targeting families or people trying to build better lives. It's about maintaining the rule of law, protecting public safety, and addressing serious crimes while pushing for meaningful reform. We can have compassion and enforcement at the same time, and I believe our community is capable of having that balanced conversation. Thank you.

My name's Kathy Nidhart. N E I D H A R DT. I live at 313 Gwynavir Drive and I've been a resident of McCandless for over 40 years. I am here tonight to voice my opposition to 2603. Um first and foremost, I appreciate the fact that Macandas is an all welcoming community. Over the years, I've been blessed with many wonderful friends from all walks of life and all different countries, different lifestyles, you name it. Um, and yes, many of these people are my neighbors today. We're all different, yet we're all the same. Back to the resolution. Not only does the wording of this concern me, but the timing as well. Why now? There have not been any reported incidents of immigrant targeting that we've been made aware of. It gives the appearance the council is trying to create an issue where none exists. Or are we just trying to jump on the bandwagon? Also, line item six refers to all individuals enjoying equal protection under the law. This is not an accurate statement. All individuals will not receive equal protection. Undocumented immigrants will be receiving preferential treatment and not held to the same standards as the average citizen. Although the word sanctuary is not used here, the similarities between a sanctuary community and what you are proposing is startling. I did some research online and several sites have the same definition of sanctuary. I have for your info a copy of one of the sites I found and I can pass that when I'm done. Um some of the similarities specifically mentioned refusing to comply with ICE, refusing to allow local law enforcement to question immigration status and restricting them from enforcing civil violations that could result in immigration removal. Why must a violation be criminal before it can be acted on? In case some of you didn't

know, there were two houses in my neighborhood that had been occupied by unregistered immigrants over the past couple years. Both presented major safety concerns to local residents. The most serious of the two was the house at the corner of Cumberland and Lancelot. What appeared to be a late night auto repair business was in fact a drug trafficking and very likely weapons operation. We all had to sit and wait for something to happen. From what I understand, local authorities were unable to take action against this house and its residents. Were it not for ICE stepping in, these activities would still be going on today. The second house is on Guavir and housed countless unregistered immigrants. Many people lived in the house. Some pitched tents and lived in the backyard. And many of these residents were employed by Ameliano's restaurant. Again, were it not for ice, this would still be an issue. To this day, the front window is still boarded up and the house is an eyesore. Personally, I don't agree with all of the ICE tactics, but to pass an ordinance prohibiting their operations in Macos puts all of the residents and law enforcement at a greater risk. You are tying our local police officers hands and not permitting them to do the job they were hired to do. They too deserve better. My grandparents were all immigrants and I believe everyone should have the right to live to a safe community and the opportunity to become productive citizens of the United States. Instead of protecting the criminals and putting local residents at risk here, might I suggest you concentrate a community effort to help expedite the process for those people trying to enter the country legally. Be a part of the solution, not the problem. Thank you. Hi, my name is Lynn Atman and I live on

Saratoga Drive. I ask you, this got slipped in as one of the previous uh speakers talked about. It's cold weather. A lot of people don't even know about these things. We're all kind of huddled in the house, but to this crowd tonight, it looks like a lot of people did find out. May I ask you why? Why resolution number 202603? Why do this? We don't have any problems at this point. Let our police take care of the business as usual. They do a great job already. Paragraph 5 says states, "Enjoy equal protection of the law regardless of immigration status, including the right to be free from unreasonable search and seizures." Enjoy. The word enjoy. These people are illegal. They're not being documented. That's not right. Paragraph six. Proper documentation is considered a civil violation, not a criminal offense. It's a criminal offense. They're not It's federal law. They are not legal. Why do you need to rewrite immigration laws? You are debunking the US laws and putting McCandless in jeopardy. Why? I keep asking you why. It seems it is popular for towns to just like Kathy said jump on the bandwagon because you think that you are followers and not thinkers. We have to think on this one. Macless cannot legislate this. This is a federal law. More important matters are needing addressed in our town. Why is breaking a law civily okay? Anything that is considered a civil violation is okay to disregard and break. This is the mindset that you are creating. Civil matters by default are like unpaid property taxes, school taxes, and local taxes. Civil versus criminal in plain terms. Civil violation owe money and consequences.

Criminal offense equal intentional intentionally broke the law. Undocumented immigration actively evading immigration law. criminal exposure adopted from other towns. We do this. I have one question. The NFL draft is coming. We are going to be a big part of that. Don't you want your town to be safe? Don't you want our visitors to be safe? If you It just makes no sense. At this time, we are preparing residents for this. So, I say safety first. And one last thing, federal funds. Will we be affected by the federal funds that we work so hard for in this town if you adopt this resolution? Please think about this before you act. Thank you.

I'm Diana Hull and and I'm a Canalless resident. I'm urging this um immigration enforcement is a federal responsibility. When local police departments in other cities have been pulled into federal immigration actions, the results have been disastrous. Reduced public safety, strained local resources, and the collapse of trust between the residents and law enforcement. We cannot allow the citizens of Macanas and our police department to be put in that position. Federal immigration agencies already have received massive federal funding. They do not need and should not receive our limited resources. Our tax dollars should be used to protect our community, not to subsidize federal operations that have caused chaos and harm in other cities. And our residents constitutional rights must never be compromised by informal cooperation with federal agencies acting without appropriately signed court orders. I am calling on this council not to enter into an agreement of 270 or I'm sorry 287 agreement with ICE. These are basic protections that keep our community safe. They keep our police focused on local public safety and ensure that every resident, every neighbor can trust their local government. A public resolution is necessary. It tells our residents that McCandless stands for safety, fairness, responsible use of public resources, and it tells our police that we support them in focusing on their actual job, protecting citizens of this community. Thank you.

Thank you.

Good evening. My name is Tom Vson. I live in Canada for the last 37 years. I want to thank you all for being here tonight. I want to speak clearly and directly why cooperation with federal immigration and enforcement programs is not only lawful to the town of McCandalis but fully consistent with the responsibilities laid out in our home rule charter. Our charter gives the town council broad authority to act in the interest of public safety, health and welfare. It states plainly that all legal powers in the township are vested in the council except where prohibited by state. There is no prohibition none whatsoever to cooperate with the federal government agencies. That means the decision rests with us and we have both the authority and the obligation to use that authority responsibility. Cooperation with ICE is not about politics. It's not about turning our local police into immigration officers. It's about safety. It's about ensuring the individuals have been already arrested for criminal offenses in our community and are handed over appropriately to the federal law. When someone is taken into custody in McCandless for a serious crime that an individual is also warranted by the federal authorities, cooperation ensures that they do not simply walk back into our neighborhoods. It ensures that violent offenders, repeat criminals, individuals with outstanding federal warrants are transferred to the proper jurisdiction.

That is the practical common sense and the protects our residents. Let me be que clear. Cooperation does not mean local officers are conducting immigration sweeps or engaging in federal enforcement activities. It means sharing information, honoring the lawful detainer request, coordinating with someone already in custody subject to federal action. it it's a targeted responsible approach focuses on individuals who've already broken the law here. This also is a matter of resource management. MCAS is a midsize municipality. We do not have unlimited detention capability and the ability to hold high-risk individuals for an extended period. Federal cooperation reduces our burden, lowers our costs, ensures that dangerous offenders are handled by the agency equipped to do so. Most important, our residents expect us to uphold the rule of law and maintain the safety in the community. Our home charter emphasizes fairness, order, responsible governance. Supporting cooperation with ICE is consistent with those values. It's a measure lawful pomatic step that strengthens the public safety without overstepping our local role. In short, this is not a political issue, political issue, I'm sorry. It's a governance issue. It's a public safety issue. It's a decision that falls squarely within the authority granted to us by mccandist home rule. For these reasons, I am

supporting the cooperation with ICE. And I just don't understand how we get to pick and choose what ls we want to go. What if what if what if this township decides to say hey look I want to drive on the left side of the road

your language we cannot I'm speaking no we need to have order if you don't like what he had to say you have You were just lost your opportunity to come and speak your own mind. This will not be tolerated. Don't make me sick.

Okay, Mr. Swson, if you would like to finish your statement.

Yes. I'm just saying when do we get to pick and choose which laws we want to uh enforce? If I if we this community said they want to drive on the left side of the road, that would create chaos. It would put people in danger. We need to cooperate with the government that's in play and be consistent with it to for all the safety factors for this community. Let me let me take one few more seconds. We we need to learn from Detroit. Okay. They did it the wrong way. If we cooperate with ICE, one officer will come and pick these people up and take them away. If we don't, ICE is coming anyhow and they will be in the neighborhood and then that puts safety factor in the neighborhood. Thank you.

So with that said, I support working with ICE.

Good evening everyone. I stand before you this evening.

Oh, Rita Martin as an engaged citizen of this community and this country, but I'm also the daughter of immigrants, someone who couldn't speak a word of English when she started kindergarten. My parents were two immigrants who were treated with respect and dignity in their community and never asked for their papers. Our Irish neighbor guided my mom and sponsored her when she obtained her citizenship and I tutored her uh on everything America. I was there when she was sworn in and the first time she voted was a celebration at our house. So it is with absolute horror that I see agents of my government engaged in thuggish and vicious behavior toward immigrants, human beings without criminal records who may be working here or here hoping to work towards citizenship men and women like my parents. I say what has happened to my country? It's with deep conviction that I urge you to vote in support of this well-crafted and very necessary. And you say why now? Many communities are adopting these these types of resolutions. Okamont, uh, Stow Township, several I can name because they are realizing the danger that this you you say we can't pick and choose the laws. Well, they are picking and choosing because they don't have warrants. They don't use Alex. I do not want the exemplary McCainless Police Department tarnished by participation in any of the illegal and immoral and barbaric actions of DHS ICE agents. Our police officers are trained to protect the citizens of this community, no matter their race, nationality, or status. It's not Let's

not put them in the position of enabling maskwearing agents who do not read Miranda rights and act without judge issued warrants. What happened at a local Mexican restaurant when workers were rounded up like cattle, handcuffed, footlaced, and no probable cause. That should not and cannot go on in our community. And this prohibits that and and here are a couple other things. Here are a couple things to remember. Living here illegally is by law a civil offense, not a criminal offense. unless that person has committed a crime and then it becomes a criminal offense. Two, monies from the federal government are distributed through the state unless we get a grant and that comes from our Congress and only they can take it away. Not this president who wants to use uh those kind of tactics to force people to do what he wants. No, no, no. He's not following the constitution. Many communities have proposed and passed similar resolutions. Oakmont Stow and Oakmont just last week because that happened to Mr. Flores. He was here with a working document that he could come here and work for Oakmont Bakery and he was just picked up and thrown in a van and taken away. And you know what the ICE agent said?

Oh, people with those kind of documents have no civil rights. Well, that was a lie. And that's what agents too. They just make it. It's my strongest hope that McCannis will pass this resolution unanimously to protect our to protect our police officers, to protect our immigrants, and if they are committing crimes, I know that my police department will take care of it because I'm on the personnel committee and they are wonderful. Thank you. Good evening. My name is Andrea Jackson. I speak to you today as a resident of McCandless Township and as a voter. But most importantly, I speak to you as a human being. One who has watched other human beings who happen to be immigrants defiled, abused, beaten, warehoused in inhumane conditions, and denied their constitutional rights. I have listened while they have been called vile and unspeakable names in an attempt to deny their very humanity. And each of us in this room has ancestors who were subject to the same treatment. And look what those ancestors have been able to accomplish. Make no mistake, the brutality of ICE is not about removing the worst of the worst. It is about sowing fear and intimidation to make us compliant to show us that we are powerless. Let us not forget those who have been killed by ICE for merely asserting their constitutional right to protest. And yet here we are challenging that erroneous

assumption. We are here to protect our friends and neighbors, perhaps our relatives. I am here to speak for the people who work beside us, who pay taxes, whose children are our children's friends. Our respected police force should never be required to participate in such cruelty. I am here to offer my complete support for resolution 26-03. And let me close with the words of Benjamin Franklin. Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Thank you very much. Sir, I just want to remind everybody to please remain silent while others are speaking. We want to give you the same respect.

My name is David Usher and I congratulate those of you who are newly elected to this council and I thank all of you for your service to this community. I am a relatively new resident in McCandless. I moved here with my m with my wife in 2024. I am not a citizen. I am here legally with a green card. My children are all US citizens. But as we are discovering, being in this countryly country legally means nothing to ICE and other federal agencies who are abducting people, terrorizing whole neighborhoods. I find it extraordinary that as a nonAmerican, I must remind people in this room that the Constitution applies to all people. Not to all citizens, not to people who stay here legally. The Constitution applies to all people regardless of who they are, the language they speak, the food they eat. Regardless of all of that, I also find it extraordinary to hear people talking about public safety when we know there are people in McCandless who are too frightened to leave their homes. As a noncitizen with a green card, I know there is only one thing that mean that protects me from being terrified of having my front door kicked down, dragged from my car, pepper-sprayed, detained, and possibly deported. There is one thing that protects me from that. My white skin.

Two weeks ago, I was in Minneapolis, one of a thousand or more clergy who came to that city as a faith witness in support of the terrorized local communities. There I witness firsthand what ICE and CBP are doing. They are not enforcing the law. They're not even enforcing immigration policy. They are mercenary bounty hunters who are getting paid per capita for how many people they detain regardless of the status of the people they detain. The local police in Minne Minneapolis want nothing to do with ICE. And the message from the citizens who are defending their neighbors, organize now. Amongst other things, stand up for your local neighbors by insisting that your police do not cooperate with ICE and other federal agencies. I understand that there is some anxiety that if we pass this ordinance, we might jeopardize some federal funding. To which I say, if we betray our neighbors because we want to accept a bribe, shame on us. Better that we do what is right than accept bribe money from this corrupt government. As a clergyman, I'm guided by Christian scripture in which we learn many things. One is that we are commanded to welcome the stranger and love our neighbor. We are and we we are told that Judas betrayed Jesus in return for a bribe. His name now is a byword for treachery, ignimonyy, and shame. Let us not betray our neighbors for some poultry and hypothetical pieces of silver. Let

history record that this council and this township proudly pass this ordinance because it's the right thing to do. It's the constitutional thing to do. It's the thing to do as an act of faith. Lori Barowski, Southville Road. Good evening, President Cloon, Town Council, friends and neighbors in McCandless. I'm surprised at the need to stand here at the second meeting of this new council, especially about a topic that's some so unlawful for our township. Resolution 202603 is turning our town into a sanctuary city. Our council should be more focused on services such as public works who is doing a super job with road maintenance this winter along with ongoing storm water runoff issues and safety needs to be the priority. This town was established by immigrants who came here legally, farmed the land and worked together to build the community we have today. Many of them fighting in the Revolutionary War to establish the freedoms we have as US citizens. I have great respect for my ancestors as well as my mother-in-law who immigrated to the United States legally. Established legal processes ensure people come to our country with the hopes of a better life. Today, many families are seeking residency in the town of McCandless because we are known for our highquality education, family life, and the proximity to the amenities of Southwest Pennsylvania. And because it's safe, new residents might be repelled by Macandas being a sanctuary city. My brother-in-law who lives in Minneapolis has shared these policies of what's going on in their town and it's not good. Safety is not a party issue. It's a national issue that

should not become one in Macandless. We are a diverse community and we should be celebrated. In that diversity, I trust you will keep all residents that want to be safe and live in a secure environment. With all of the high-tech jobs coming to the area and knowing that we want to be more businessfriendly in our municipality, why would we not explore how to establish offices and manufacturing complexes on some of the vacant commercial land in the town over this resolution? Making a decision in haste places more importance on illegal immigrants over the safety of the town residents. Do we really want to allow illegals who cannot read road signs or drive under the influence of illicit drugs and alcohol causing fatalities or purchasing guns intended to harm our residents? And what about the pres predators that are trafficking and exploiting our young people? These are not actions that are in the best interests of our residents. During my research, I learned of an incident that raises alarm for everyone, and it should for everyone in Macanas. A house on Cumberland that's been referenced tonight, a th stones throw away from three of our North Alagany schools, was involved in a drug running operation. We should be dancing in the streets that ICE was able to remove these evil people from our community without incident rather than protesting the presence of ICE. Can you tell me how the police was involved in this situation or another that was causing the need for this resolution? Perhaps chief, you can answer that for me. Maybe this is not the right time and during the public safety, you can comment on the ICE involved incidences or how many illegals have been involved in the purchase of guns or looking for petty theft incidences. I hear there's been another incident on Lancelot Drive. I'd like to hear more about that perhaps under public safety. What about the financial impacts it's going to cost our town? I understand the

Department of Justice perhaps through the Congress provided body cameras and tasers to through a grant. This helps our police officers in the execution of their duties. Why would we not collaborate? Be like our Democratic Senator John Federman who supports collaboration between our state, local, and federal law enforcement agencies. By working together, the safety of our residents is ensured over the non-existent rights of illegal immigrants. The ramifications of a yes vote on resolution 20263 will lead to more illegals that could turn um could lead to incidents like Lake and Riley. God forbid that be one of your children or our neighbors ch child or even one of our Lar Ro students. Are you prepared for the liability you may own? If you vote in favor of the adoption of this resolution, a decision in haste is never good and I trust you as council members are independent thinkers and not coerced by or influenced by outside groups that have national conversations in mind. Please do not act in selfish ambition to make names for yourselves over our safety of our community. My request is that you vote no for this resolution. Good evening. My name is Candy Gagy and I live on Pia Road on W 5. I've been a proud resident of Macanless for 30 years since I retired from the United States Navy. I'm here to speak in opposition to resolution 2026-3. I do not believe this resolution is necessary, nor do I believe it addresses a demonstrated issue in our community. Last year, there was an ICE apprehension at 719 Cumberland involving a suspected

drug related operation. Macless police were informed and remained nearby only to ensure public safety, particularly given the proximity to Mcnite Elementary, Carson Middle School, and the uh Intermediate High School. Their presence was precautionary and no local police action was required. The situation was handled without incident. Since that time, there have been no similar events in Macanas. Concerns raised elsewhere in the country have not occurred here, and there is no local pattern that would uh justify adopting this resolution. Federal agents like local law enforcement deserve to work in a safe environment and re residents deserve to feel safe in their community. Lawful coordination between a agencies helps prevent mis misunderstandings, reduces risks, and supports public safety. Allowing federal authorities to carry out their responsibilities with appropriate oversight is the be is in the best interest of everyone. I am also concerned about potential unintended consequences. Macandless Police and other first responder agencies rely on federal grants, the Department of Justice and the Department of Homeland Security. This resolution could jeopardize future funding or require repayment of funds already received, placing an unnecessary burden on the uh municipality and its tax taxpayers. I would like to also add that having served in the United States Navy overseas, I have seen what other countries do to people that have a civil

offense. And there is nothing that ICE has done that leads to anywhere near those actions. May I say fish heads and rice in a in a threefoot prison uh cell for pre-trial confinement. For these reasons, I respectfully urge council to vote against resolution 2026-3. Thank you for your time and consideration. Good evening everybody. My name is Jenna Parker. I am 17 years old and it appears as though as of right now I might be the only person in this room who has homework tonight. So I'll try to make this quick. Also, I might be becoming a comedian after that. I am here today not only as your constituent, but as another public servant of this township. I would first like to acknowledge how valuable it is that the major issue of ICE presence in our community is being addressed so rapidly. I thank each and every one of you for expediting this discussion. Now, first I'd like to speak to those who say this issue doesn't exist today or it's not timely. On Thursday of last week, the high school I attend in a neighboring township reported ICE presence in the vicinity. Many of my peers are immigrants and they feared for their safety in a place that is supposed to educate them and teach them how to be functioning members of an American society. Their concerns that they would be targeted by ICE are not based on some fiction. They are based on facts on videos and photos that they have seen with their own eyes. I am incredibly grateful that to my knowledge such a panic has not occurred in a Macless school. But I do worry it won't be long until one does. One thing I have been taught since I can remember by our

public schools is that police exist to protect us all. Later I learned that they are required to do so by law. Police does not care about lawfulness. They don't care about due process. These are the very things that our police and that you, our elected officials, are sworn to protect. I understand community concerns about public safety. However, ICE goes beyond convicting criminals. In 2025, ICE detained at least 3,800 children under the age of 18. Many of those were infants. These are children who were taken from their walk to or from school, FROM THEIR FRONT PORCH, FROM THEIR PARENTS' ARMS, from a neighborhood park. These are children who are detained amongst the criminals my neighbors are worried about and children who are detained with little to no evidence of due process. I want to live in a community where my peers are safe. And to those who say that because I have not let a homestead, my opinion doesn't matter. I ask, how many times this week have your classmates cried TO YOU BECAUSE THEY MAY RETURN HOME TO FIND THEIR money and have you seen the panic IN THEIR EYES BECAUSE THEIR GOVERNMENT AND POLICE MAY NOT SAVE THEIR LIVES if they are threatened simply because they look different. I am not a naive young child today. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I DO EVERY MORNING? I WAKE UP AND I GO TO THE GYM. And when I get home from school, I read my Bible and I pray before bed. Every Sunday, I go and teach 16 CHILDREN THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST THAT I HAVE BEEN RAISED ON, THAT I HAVE LEARNED ABOUT MY ENTIRE LIFE, AND THAT I BELIEVE SO DEEPLY IN. AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT I tell them every Sunday? I say, "God loves you no matter what you look like, NO MATTER WHAT you've done, no matter how your life has played out." and we model our

love after his love for people. ICE does not do that. The promise you have made and the promise we have all made today is to serve our community. That doesn't mean that you roll with an iron fist in the name of an issue or a policy that appears to be above you. That means is that you protect our children, our most vulnerable, because you have promised that you will. It means you protect them, their families, their classmates, and every single person in their community. I urge you all today to do your civic duty by prohibiting my neighborhood police from collaborating with an organization that is threatening TO TAKE AWAY YOUR children's peers, teachers, and my peers as well. Thank you. I will try to beat that. I doubt it. Hello, my name is Gretchen Steckel and I was born and raised here in Macanas. I've lived in two different city Pittsburgh city neighborhoods for 23 years and I returned to Macanas about eight years ago. When I came back, I was surprised to see the massive amount of development about McCandless Crossing on both sides. You also have a movie theater that draws people in from all over Pittsburgh coming into our community. I came back to find Macandless has grown in cultural diversity in its schools, restaurants, and its community. Unfortunately, this is where the illusion of safety ends and what is happening within Pittsburgh cannot be ignored. groups known as ICE and with Customs Border Patrol and Associates, they are terrorizing communities. Thanks to social media, we are witnesses to the

chaos they are committing without regards to others or to the uh regard to the laws of this country. These so-called officers lack restraint, proper vetting, interviewing, training, and accurate accurate background checks. They pray on anyone they deem in their way regardless of distance and those who remain peaceful. North Alageney School District has become well known for its quality of education. Do we want the risk of overreactive ICE agents in our community making it unsafe and we are pushing away those who want to settle here for the education. Having ICE in our community creates a void where no one feels safe. It is not worth taking risks as a US citizen, whether they're here legally or illegally with proof they're not going out of their homes because they're afraid of being racially profiled and picked up. That's mis time at work, falling behind in school, inability to get groceries. These are human rights violations. This adds up to economic decline, businesses closed, and a loss of community. Why would we want to destroy what the previous councils have built? There's been a recent study, a KO study, that's revealed between 1994 and 2003, immigrants reduce the deficit each year, as well as contributing 14% of tax revenue and only accounting for 7% of government spending. They contribute to our tax base and they receive no benefits from it. And I repeat, no benefits from it. our officers working along with ICE. And when our officers duties re include similar tactics, you're expanding McCless's liability of being associated with agents with barely any training. They're fully armed. Something to prove with twitchy fingers. My grandfather was a Pittsburgh

policeman. My other grandfather was in the army in World War II in the South Pacific. He came back and became a fireman. I am under I am aware and comprehend the amount of training it takes to do those tasks. Police lose we do not want the police losing focus in our community by working with ICE. McCannis has invested in its community's well-being with the addition of a social worker with the police which is building uh connection, trust and empathy with those that they serve. Macandless deserves a crystalclear policy that prohibits collaboration with ICE and their associates for any new hotel hotel contacts or office space agreements. We need to stop warrantless arrests. We need to stop profiling and protect spaces like schools, hospitals, and places of worship. They should not be granted access into township facilities, individuals of custody unless a valid, current, and signed by a judge and additional warrant is actually present. Events like those in Minnesota can be prevented. The constitutional abuse must end. Communities like Coropoulos, Munhal, Stow have ended contracts with ICE. Robinson Township no longer on their list. Oakmont, Avalon, and others are creating are currently in the same process as Macandless and a number of communities. It's not a bandwagon. It's expanding. It's growing. It's not going to stop. We are here to protect our country. The correct path to address immigration concerns is through the appropriate judicial process, not armed mass people taking adults and children against their wills. This resolution, the resolution not to cooperate in making these policies transparent will make all of our residents feel safer and strengthen our trust in the police. Council members, you have the opportunity to be leaders

for human rights here in McCandless. Thank you very much.

Good evening. Uh, I'm Mark Guzanne, proudly a resident of Macanist Township since 1983. I'm speaking in support of 2026-03. Sue Tiner, age 20, age 55, US citizen, accosted and arrested for merely observing ICE agents. Eiley Raymond, 43, US citizen, admittedly autistic, yet she's an accomplished software engineer. Her car window smashed. She was dragged from her vehicle, illegally detained for hours by ICE agents. Patty O'Keefe and Brendan Saguza, both US citizens, pepper sprayed while in their car, then dragged from the vehicle and illegally detained for eight hours by ICE agents. Liam Karejo Ramos, 5-year-old preschooler. That's the young boy that was pictured wearing that cute powder blue hat as he was being forced into detention along with his father who was legally applying for asylum were illegally abducted and detained for 11 days by ICE agents. Jose Floris, 47, an Oakmont resident, legally seeking asylum, illegally abducted while buckling his eight-year-old daughter into the car for school and then detained for nine days by ICE agents. Renee Nicole Good, 37, US citizen. Her last words, I'm not mad at you. Shot three times and killed by an ICE agent. Miramar Martinez, 38, US citizen, shot five times by an ICE agent, the same agent who later texted, and I regret regret to quote, "I fired five rounds and she had seven holes." That in your book, boys, unquote. Alex Jeffrey Prey, 37, US citizen, while

helping a woman to her feet, assaulted then shot 10 times and killed by an ICE agent. It's not too far-fetched that similar horrors could happen here in our community to any of us. Macandless cannot support that. It's not who we are. It's not who we want to be. Who we are. Many of us here, possibly all of us here. Who we are descendants of immigrants. I sure am. My grandparents arrived here in the US in the early 1900s. And the process back then, the Naturalization Act of 1906, required a minimum period of seven years toward obtaining citizenship. Seven years. For seven years, our ancestors were not yet US citizens. Yet during that time, they established homes. They held jobs. They raised families. They paid taxes. Very similar to today's immigrants. If today's terroristic ICE agents were prowling during their time for those seven years, would not our own grandparents be under the threat of the ICE atrocities that are, as are today's immigrants, waiting outside their homes, harassing them at their work, disrupting their places of worship. If today's terroristic ICE agents were prowling during our grandparents' time, would some of us not even be here today? If in the presentations that were humbly offered to you this evening, if you should not yet find sufficient compelling reason, then at least in honor of in memory of our ancestors, our immigrant ancestors, please adopt this resolution 202603 before you. Thank you.

Good evening. My name is Reverend Vale Weller and I'm the director of fundraising for the Unitarian Universalist Association, a national denomination of more than a thousand congregations. And before this, I served as a parish minister for many years. I'm a resident of Macccanas, a proud Ingamar Tiger and North Alagany Tiger. And I want to thank you for your willingness to serve. My ministerial colleague and co-orker lives in Minneapolis, a block from where Renee Good was murdered a month ago. And as clergy, she was on the scene immediately after the event. About 2 hours after the killing of Rene Renee Good, ICE agents swarmed a local high school and fired tear gas at teachers and students who I want to remind you are children. Last week, Plain Close ICE agents distributed flyers for free food and then arrested everybody who showed up to get the food. There are many people who no longer feel safe going to work, to school, or shopping. School classes have indefinitely been made available online because families don't feel safe transporting children to school. ICE is actually now aiming pepper spray into the intake valves of cars, smashing windows and dragging people out, disappearing them for days or longer without having any probable cause. There are choppers circling constantly. Cars are being followed, blocked in, and chased, especially and when the driver is perceived to be of color. I could tell you many more stories about what is actually happening on the ground there. This is what is happening. It is like a war zone. It is for my friend a war zone. We know that there have been multiple recent raids and arrests here. We know that ICE and ICE related activity is

already happening here in this community and we need to ensure that we are crystal clear here in McCandless about the appropriate role of our wonderful local police department. As a Macanless resident, I feel much less safe knowing that ICE is in the area and demand that my local officials do everything in their power to keep this current, lawless, unconstitutional iteration of ICE out. We will continue to document raids and arrests in our area and will hold our elected officials accountable for holding the Constitution for all of us. This is not a drill. And I do not believe for a single moment that ISIS's activities in Macandless would be of a kinder, gentler variety than what is happening in Minneapolis. They have shown us who they are and what their methods are. This violent, unlawful, unconstitutional behavior has no place here in the wonderful township of McCandless. So, please vote in support of resolution 20263. And again, thank you for serving. Hello, my name is Carolyn Gibbs. I've been a resident of McCandless for over 30 years and I have found it a pleasant place to live. for Macandas to continue to be a pleasant place to live for everyone. I am asking the town council to publicly vote and pass the resolution 2026-03, which in short says that McCandless will not enter into any agreement with federal immigration enforcement agencies. As a Christian, I have been taught that my basic tasks in life are to love God and love my neighbor. I do this imperfectly in this imperfect world. But

I feel one way to love my neighbors is to live in peace. Jesus said, "Blessed are the peacemakers." Because we do live in an imperfect world. Our society needs police. I believe that a local police force which is trusted by the local community is a part of helping to make peace and I highly value McCandless police. In contrast, I can declare that in the past year, federal immigration enforcement practices are cruel, violent, inhumane, racist, illegal, unconstitutional, and the furthest from anything Jesus has taught us about how to treat our neighbors. The current practices are purposely designed to terrorize the population, not to bring peace. Having local police participate in such actions would demolish the public's trust in local police. Instead, our police force should be actively making concrete plans on how to protect all residents from such terror. I want to address the notion that quote immigrants must come here legally, unquote that is often used to justify ICE activities. The fact is that ICE and Border Patrol are attacking, kidnapping, and disappearing thousands of people who have come here legally. Federal agents have seized people at their immigration hearings. Federal agents have seized children and adults who are US citizens. Federal agents have smashed property and dragged people from vehicles. Federal agents have murdered human beings. Once people are carted off to the for-profit detention facilities and kept in inhumane conditions, those detained are not allowed their constitutionally protected right to due process. Anyone who wants things done legally must object to every tactic that ICE and CBP have used in the past year. It is federal immigration enforcement who are

acting illegally and our police force should not be involved in those actions. I'd like the town council to add to the resolution that the McCandless Police Department will share no data from license plate readers with federal immigration enforcement enforcement agencies. Nationwide LPR data has been grossly misused, often with traumatic results. As a taxpayer of both the earned income tax and business tax, I want none of my local tax dollars to pay for any collaboration of our local force with ICE or CBP. In fact, I project that allowing an agreement with immigration enforcement would put our town at great financial and legal risk due to potential lawsuits from residents whose civil and property rights have been violated. In conclusion, I request that you vote to approve the resolution, adding that the Macandlas Police Department will share no data from the license plate readers with federal immigration enforcement agencies. Thank you very much for listening. My name is Elizabeth Hartwell and I have been a resident of McCandless for eight years. I thank you for the opportunity to speak in favor of passing a resolution publicly voted on and declared by you, the council, that McCandless Police will not enter into a memorandum of understanding or a 287g agreement with federal immigration officers, commonly known as ICE and Border Patrol. I speak tonight from three different perspectives. Number one, as a proud McCandless resident who loves this community. Number two, as the mother of two children who are growing up in Macandas. And number three, as a member of the clergy for nearly 20

years, serving the North Hills community as the pastor of a local Presbyterian church. Speaking from these three perspectives, I ask you to pass this resolution for the following three reasons. Because if McCandless police enter into an agreement with federal immigration officers, it will compromise the safety, harmony, and well-being of our entire community. Number two, because I have the utmost respect and admiration for the officers, social worker, and other employees in the Macandless Police Department. I am concerned for their well-being. I want them to focus their time and energy on protecting, serving, and maintaining public safety in our local community instead of experiencing the considerable strain of being pulled into federal pursuits and actions. Number three, because the current practices of federal immigration officers are unconstitutional, they violate basic human principles of decency and concern for the common good. They are an affront to the preservation of human dignity and personhood. At the heart of my own faith is the commandment to love, support, and uphold one another. There is nothing that is more important than that. And that is a mandate that is also central in numerous other faith traditions. Therefore, I request that you pass a resolution declaring the following. that there will be no memorandum of understanding between the town of McCandless or Macandas Township Police Department with ISIS's noncriminal administrative enforcement activities. Number two, that you will not enter the McCandless Police Department into an agreement with the federal government to apply and enforce federal immigration law under section 287G of the Immigration and Nationality Act. Number

three, that the McCandless Township Police Department law enforcement officers will follow the practice of not asking individuals about immigration status except as it may be required by law. Number four, that the McCandless Police Department will share no data from license plate readers with federal immigration enforcement. And number five, that police training in our township will reflect these policies. With great respect for you as our town council, I thank you for listening for to me and to everyone who's speaking and for your careful consideration of this resolution. I am grateful for your hard work of carrying the burden of leadership in Mckenless. Thank you.

Thank you.

Good evening. Thank you all for your time and your service to our community. My name is Lark Weller. I was born and raised in McCandless. I moved to Minneapolis for college and life kept me there for 30 years. Um I've dedicated my life to pro public service. I moved back to Macanas last year and I'm now back to school to become a professional counselor. It's important to me that my community is doing well and it's important to me that all members of my community are doing well, especially the most vulnerable among us. This past year here in Macandas, I've spent most of my time in community work, community building, and elder care. We've held food drives and thanks to the generosity of our community, have delivered many cars full of food to the North Hills Community Outreach. We conducted a toy drive to contribute to the police department's drive and filled up those bins. One of the things I've done in community is provide support to an immigrant family, a mother about my age, and her young adult son. They are immigrants as was my family when they came to this country and they are here legally. Despite their legal status, they live in fear of detention and deportation every single day. I've helped provide rides to work to them, both of whom work 12 to 12 to 14hour days, six days a week at two of the restaurants that have been whose staff has been gutted by ICE over the past year right here in the North Hills. I have driven the adult son to his required immigration check-in appointments with ICE on the south side. His mother insisted on coming with us despite that being a great risk to her because she was terrified that her son would be taken from her that day for keeping an appointment required by his legal immigration process because she has seen that happen to others. This family is peaceful, kind. They work hard to serve this community's culinary

convenience and pleasure. And they live in absolute fear every single day because of ICE. ICE is already here and has been already wreaking havoc on some of our community members. There is a lot I don't know, but I do know that in Macanas, we do not all share the same political views. We don't all share the same party affiliation. We do not share the same family backgrounds or makeup, the same economic access, nor the same religions. And yet, we all love living here. The only universals I have seen in Macandless are NA Tigers number one. The Almond Joy cookies from Coons are awesome. We all want our loved ones to be safe and free from harm. And we cherish the US Constitution, usually not by being able to recite it word for word, but by cherishing the rights and aspirations it grants us. The actions of this federal administration are forcing us to reckon with the potential loss of our constitutional rights because it is attempting to steal those from American citizens. Right now, ICE and CBP are some of the most egregious tactics it is using to conduct this unconstitutional theft and now murder. And now the administration has taken another jaw-dropping step toward the cliff in suggesting that it will continue its disgusting overreach, this time in attempting to nationalize our elections and is threatening to send ICE to our polling places. We the people of McCandless elected a democratic majority in November because we are worried that our small D democracy is being severely threatened and we want it to survive. We are showing up and doing our part to ensure that it does survive. We elected you as

a council because we were seeking leadership, legal, moral, and courageous leadership at a time of bewildering lack of courage and leadership. nationally. If you have never believed it before, believe it now that all politics truly are local. To those of you who are clear about and horrified by the unconstitutional activities, chaos, and violence of the current federal administration, we elected you as our delegates to do whatever is needed to protect us, our community, and our township from this gross, immoral, illegal federal overreach. They have shown their true hatefilled, racist, menacing colors, and their disdain for the law of this land, the US Constitution. We elected you as one way we will be protecting ourselves from this administration's violence, overreach, chaos, and unc unconstitutional habits. It is essential that we make a firm stand that we not aid this federal m administration's destruction. Thank you for drafting this resolution. I urge it pass.

Hi everybody. My name is Christina Gorski and I live in Ward 4. Thank you all so much for your time and service. I know I've heard from a few people as we're filling the room that this is obviously a large showing and that just goes to show that a lot of people feel really strongly about this which is great and I know it will encourage me to show up to more of these meetings. Hearing from everybody on their experience here has been eye opening as a resident. Yes,

you can bend it down. Okay, sorry the bellies in the way. Um, so a few people have shared some personal anecdotes and I just wanted to do the same. I have a co-orker uh our office is in another part of town that is very close to an ICE detention facility. Um she is a green card holder from Mexico and she recently let a few trusted people know to um call her dad if she doesn't come in one day because she would never no call no show because that's very real. This is not as someone said before a fiction. It's not a hypothetical. It's happening to our community members. She happens to also work a second job at a coffee shop in our area. So she is someone who spends money, who spends time, contributes to our economy in Macanas. And that's hardly a unique story. These stories are all over the place. And we've heard a lot about Jose Flores who was luckily released, but a lot of people have brought up the financial impact of becoming a sanctuary city. But on the other side of it, what do you think it cost us as taxpayers to fight for his lawful release from detainment? I mean, there was uh national representation on this. Chris Luzio luckily stood up and fought for him. There's so much going on that is undoubtedly costing us money as taxpayers, let alone the prospect of future lawsuits, as someone referenced before. But even beyond that, I think that it's understandable to want to follow the law and the rule. That that's just how communities function, right? I don't think anyone is saying that we should break the law flippantly. We should just let people do whatever they want. That's not what's happening here. We have to be realistic in looking at what is really the reality in these other communities that are being targeted right now. Minneapolis is obviously an extreme example, but there's nothing stopping that from happening here. And in fact, we know

that Philadelphia is likely going to be targeted soon. It's it it's no different. And so, while we all trust and so appreciate our police force, truly, thank you so much for everything you do for us. Yes, those resources should not be used for what we're discussing here. And again, it's it's not a hypothetical. It's unlawful what's being done. It's immoral to say the least. and we don't need to be afraid to be leaders to stand up. It's not jumping on a bandwagon. There's reasons that our neighboring towns have taken this into effect now and are working towards this because it's saying that we as a group, a community of people will not stand for this behavior. We will not stand for the fact that there are families who need to have food delivered to them because they are justifiably afraid to leave their homes. That's not who we are and that is not how we as a community hold our core values. I can tell that from just the people speaking here tonight. It's been a respectful crowd for the most part. That's different from what we see on the news. So, I appreciate your time so much. I appreciate everyone coming to make their voices heard. We should all do more of it. I'm learning that tonight. And I just really encourage you to vote yes on resolution 20263. Um, I appreciate the comments about the additions and the amendments made to it. I know that you'll take that under careful consideration and um, a lot of us feel very strongly and I hope that hits home for you tonight. So, thank you very much.

Hello, my name is Lewis Jez. I'm a voter in Ward 2. I've been here a Macanless resident for over 20 years. Dear McCandless Town Council, I am a Mac McCandless resident in Oakidge writing or speaking to request that you pass the resolution publicly voted on and declared by the council that McCandless police will not enter into a memorandum of understanding or a 287g agreement with federal immigration officers commonly known as Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Customs and Border Patrol. I am morally and fiscally opposed to deploying any pound of mechanis resources, human or otherwise, to collaborate with or support ICE. DHS and its bureaus, including ICE and CBP, have received more funding than many nations entire militaries. They can afford to fully conduct their own business. We continue to demand that our local community be judicious stewards of our public funds. I vehemently oppose diverting our limited local resources to aid in overfunded and bloated agency's unconstitutional illegal and immoral acts of harm against our neighbors. Doing so will not be accepted by residents and voters in this community. Claims that passing a resolution of non-olaboration with ICE will cause our town to lose federal funding are overblown. Even if we were to forfeit some federal funds, which I don't believe we will, uh, and many people have stated as to why we will not, I would still support passing this resolution. We need to stand up for what is right, for our values and principles, and defend human dignity, even if it were to cost us some funding. There is no right way to do the wrong thing. And now and now I as we have as we have

established the all politics is local politics. We must understand that if we continue seeing this kind of ICE presence in other cities and municipalities. It may come here. Do I expect us to be the number one target? No. But it is important to get our foot in the door before we get stepped on by another foot. We want to be sure that we have our ducks in a row, that we do not see our residents hurt, citizens or otherwise. They must be protected by the Constitution. And the Constitution is currently being trampled. We are looking at the Second Amendment be eroded when these ICE officers kill Alex Prey for oh, daring to have a legal gun. Very strange. We're looking at the Fourth Amendment be really eroded as well because we are seeing illegal search and seizures, people being dragged out of their cars, people ravaging through the cars. It's it's unconscionable. People bringing uh administrative warrants instead of judicial warrants, pretending that they're judicial warrants. And we have seen these people on video attempting to lie and essentially get into people's houses surreptitiously. And the first amendment, the first amendment is a really big one. Last year we saw ICE capture multiple people who were involved in protests against the genocide in Gaza. Romea Ozurk and Makmoud Khalil. These people were disappeared. These people were grabbed by ICE, taken away from their families. Makmoud Khalil had a child that was about to be born. He was ripped out of the hands of his pregnant wife. She was there crying in front of their apartment. And we are going to see that kind of behavior come to our municipality if we do not say these people should not be here. We must pass this resolution and many many more strictures to understand that this is going to be a safe place. A safe place for residents because sometimes we have to understand that it is the overreach

of the state that make people unsafe. It's not just illegal immigration. Illegal immigration boogeyman. Very scary. It's much scarier when you have seven guys with vests that say police screaming different orders at you, breaking open your window, dragging you out of your car because I don't know, there was a software engineer who was autistic and she was stopped in an intersection. They decided that she was stopped a little too long. We need to make sure this kind of thing does not happen in our municipality and we have to make sure that our data is protected. We've talked about license plates not being added to a database. When ICE agents hold up their phones to people, they are adding their facial data to a registry. They've gloated about it, saying, "Oh, hey, this is was a woman in Maine who was filming an ICE officer. The ICE officer holds up his phone. He said, "Great. Now you're a domestic terrorist." Is that what we do in America? We say anyone who is a dissident is a domestic terrorist. We were founded upon position to tyrants. We must stand for our rights. And that very database. Thank you. I always follow the tall ones. Hi, Marcia Caliendo. Um I I had a statement um um asking uh town council to go ahead and pass 202603. I think it's very important. Um I'm going to speak extemporaneous which is kind of scary but um you know people here are saying why are you doing this and not paying attention to storm water management to our roads. Have you looked at tonight's agenda? We are an hour and a half plus in and we haven't gotten off of four and we have a

three-page agenda. This council are talented. Our our workers are exceptional. Our roads are still going to be salted. Our police are still going to respond to 911 calls. But God forbid, you know, we should pass this not not pass this. I mean, you you can do both. I know you are capable of doing multiple things. You have been doing multiple things for us for many years for which we are grateful. Passing this is not going to prevent anything else from occurring in McCandless. I urge you to pass this resolution. Everyone has stated reasons why much more eloquently than than I, but we know it's the right thing to do and our town will survive. Our Tom will continue to work while you can do this and that. Thank you. I always have to the short ones. Sorry. Oh, but it didn't start. Okay, perfect. Uh, good evening everybody. Uh, my name is Brandon Stury. I'm in Ward 2. Uh, shout out to Miss Alt, the only council member I've ever seen at my front door. So, it was a nice surprise. Uh, yes. So, that works everybody. Um, I'll be honest, I'm a little tired, so forgive the appearance, everybody. Um, I just rushed to get my four kids dinner and shout out to the wife for, you know, maning the battlefield while I am gone and here and doing this. And I think a lot of us would probably rather be somewhere else than here right now. But again, we appreciate the time and I applaud all the other speakers. Um, and you know, going near the end of the line here, you might hear some stuff that's a little repetitive, but I read something last week that made me feel like I needed to come here. Trust me, I don't want to be here. Um, really truly don't.

Uh, it was one line from Oakmont's Bakery's response in regarding their um employee who was detained by ICE. They said, "Jose is a good person, a hardworking and valued member of our community, and someone we consider family." And what struck me really wasn't the whole statement in its entirety. It was how quickly the pressure became unbearable to Oakmont Bakery. Two days. I can hear the oz in the background. We'll get to you blue suit man in a second. Two days. Two days of backlash, negative comments, and heat. And I want to pause on that because that same heat, the judgment, the hostile rhetoric is what our brown neighbors experience every day. Not for two days, not after a lawyer approved speech or comment on a Facebook page. They see everyone in here's Facebook comments, the next door posts, the memes you repost and share. Uh they see you, you know, in the cheap blue suit in the back, pleather loafers, awful flag tie, mumbling under your breath every time a woman spoke about something you disagreed with. And yet they still all show up because they are the community, which is to me more brave than mumbling under your breath in the back of the room after folks gave you respect when speaking your piece at the microphone at the very beginning of this meeting. But now to the resolution in front of us when we talk about whether or not police should assist ICE, I just want to ask a simple question. Just help with what? Hearing from, you know, Kathy and one of her other neighbors, seems like ICE had Cumberland Road taken care of. seemed like they just went and knocked the door down and they were good to go and got what they needed, you know. But if the image in our head is ICE rescuing children from traffickers and busting cartels and dark warehouses, I get it. It's a very compelling story, but that's just not what we're seeing. Especially not in a can list. Like, I want to keep it local. I'm really trying. But what we're seeing are fathers taking from school pickup lines, workers with federal ID numbers paying into social security that they don't benefit from. Fun fact, restaurant staff members

removed from places many of you all eat at every week. I see the we the people trucks at patrons all the time. Let's stop acting like we don't patronage these peoples. They're really hard to miss. But Jose from Oakmont was getting his daughter or child ready for school. So again, I just ask help with what? You know, I want to be clear. One person being deported or detained or pulled incorrectly is one too many. You know, a mistake at my work is like a typo in an email. When an ICE when ICE makes a mistake, families are shattered, communities are destabilized. You know, that alone should just disqualify our police from participating. Let ICE and the federal government handle it. I think one thing I'll agree with the lady wearing the American flag as a suit jacket is I don't think any of us are here prepared. We have one camera here and it is hot as hell. Imagine a mistake by ICE in our community. Now we have 50 of those a thousand photographs being taken and now we're the center of the world for one simple one simple mistake. You know it's the one good part about being a mechanist is no one knows where it is. I'll tell I will tell I will tell friends where do you live? They'll be like where do you live? I'll say Ingamar. Nice. Where's that? I'll say Macanless. Cool. Where's that? Wexford. Oh okay. I know what you're talking about. So, like I don't want any of us to be in the center of anybody's world but our own, you know, and I really the only other time I've ever spoke here is in support of the police roughly 10 years ago. You can look it up. Like I said, I hate coming here. Family of first responders and military. I just it's not what I want them to be here for because at the end of the day when the dust settles five years from now, I gone, administrations change, policies change, we're still here within our community with our neighbors. They're our neighbors and they're our friends. You know what I mean? We one report of a door being broken down, they sound like they need

our help anyways. So, just let them handle it. And the cool part is about ICE, and I don't want to speak for our police department. I want to speak for our local tax dollars. If they want to join ICE, go to ICE.gov. Apply for a job that pays half as much with awful morale and confusing direction from the top. Go for it. You have my time. Thank you.

Hi, I'm Chris Shipley. I'm an independent with no party affiliation and I'm a resident of townless for 25 years. I'm here to voice my opposition and concern over a resolution that is being considered for anti-ICE measures. I served 25 years with the federal government, Department of Defense, Intel agency, Secret Service. I was assigned to Bush and Obama administrations. I've actually worked with ICE agents. I have no problem with them. We're talking criminals. We're not talking everyday people. That's what I worked with. So, criminals, okay? We're talking sex rings, children sex rings, pedophiles. That's what we want our ICE agents to get. And we want those people out of our community. We don't need criminals in our community. And we want our police officers to support them. Maybe not uh go on the raids, but give them the information. There's nothing wrong with that. I don't think anybody here wants their children to be raped, molested, killed, kidnapped. So, we want our officers to work with them. I fully support our federal and local law enforcement. Now, to my knowledge, ICE in the can town of Macallis, there's been no warranted associated arrest or apprehension, and we have not had to um work with them. So, why do we even need this resolution? We don't want to shoot ourselves in the foot at this time. Uh there are some problems with the proclamation. The one shown is a boilerplate template from other bureaus that I that I read through. It states that all individuals must enjoy equal protection of the law regardless of immigration status, including the right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure, but an illegal alien immigrant is not a United States citizen. So therefore, they do not have that opportunity. Now, being an illegal immigrant, let me explain. An illegal immigrant is generally

considered a civil offense. If it is overstaying a visa, but if you enter the United States without authorization, that is a criminal offense. Okay? That's what we're talking about. And I have worked with a lot of people in customs and enforcement, and we have a lot of sex rings with some of these illegal immigrants. Okay. Another paragraph states, "The Constitution and laws of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania require that a warrant for a person's arrest may only be issued by a neutral and detached judge of a judicial officer." What does that mean? Uh that the person doesn't agree with the judicial authority and they can disregard the warrant for the arrest. See, the wording is flawed. Just make it a little better. Okay. Uh and just as you know, ICE officers are responsible for enforcing immigration law, conducting investigations into undocumented immigration, apprehending individuals suspected of violating these laws, and illegal criminals. Council, there's no plausible reason for this resolution to be approved other than grandstanding and poly politics. You're attempting to bring national politics issues to Mckinless and they don't belong here. Keep it township, not party national politics. Township council, you're here for public safety, storm water, parks, recreation, keeping our taxes low, protecting property values. That's not national politics. Each council member took a note to support the laws and constitution of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and the Constitution of the United States. Remember that. and a yes vote to rewrite immigration law is a policy that violates the oath that and that could disqualify anybody from serving on this council. Now, since McCandless has not had a problem with ICE, we should not consider this proclamation. We should fully support our law officers

local and federal. And remember, ICE will come whether you want them or not. And you want to support them because if you don't, then we will end up like something in Minneapolis because those people aren't being supported. and that's why they're having the issues. I've worked with Secret Service again. I've worked with ICE. I've worked with these people. When you don't support them, that's when the chaos happens. Thank you. Jeff Chzer, Tana McCandless resident, 25 years. Uh she's a hard act to follow. Um, I'm going to spell give you four letters and tell me what it spells. F A R.

Fear. A lot of people are doing fear really big here and it's doesn't help anything. We need to stand up for everyone, get to know our neighbors, understand what their situations are, and help them. We also need to understand politics and our constitution. We maybe should read those later uh additions like the 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th amendments about race. Um we have a lot of work to do. In our country, people who aren't white still suffer greatly from profiling and in unjust acts. And I don't want McCandless to be part of that through ICE. I don't want our people to be taken. Um like Lark, I have been trying to help uh immigrants in our community. We have a friend who's a German researcher here on a green card. She registered her new home purchase in her town of Blanox. And Sunday morning, seven ICE agents showed up to her door demanding to see every paper she had. She has a 8-year-old daughter. She's a single mom. She's from East Germany. She couldn't go to work the next day. She was so shaken. This is a lot like the Stazzi. This is a lot of intimidation. I want you to pass this resolution and I think you should do it soon. After 2016, I became a pole worker and I've worked many, many polls, low-level

primaries, national elections. I am very proud that I can vote and that I can work as a pole worker. We need everyone to feel safe to vote. The intimidation of ICE against immigrants is a bigger intimidation than we want to admit. It's bad and we need to stop it. So, let's stop it in McCandless. Um, thank you. Uh, good evening. I'm John, uh, Ward Five. Um, I'm a a Christian first, uh, a husband second, a parent as well. Uh, my 17-year-old spoke earlier this evening. She said she had homework, but she said she did her homework before she came here. So, we'll get a a fact check on that um before we get before we get home. Um just listening to the dialogue, some from from the hallway there and some some inside. It seems like we just have this false choice between law and order and public safety and the equivalence of of any um law enforcement agency must be following the law is is a big gap in understanding here. Uh law enforcement's based on trust. Um I've had interactions with town of McCain's police, not many but a few over the about 20 years that we've lived here and I found them to be trustworthy and professional and looking out for the common good. Um, that's been my experience even when I spent a little bit on Cumberland one time on the way home from Sheets. But that's the basis of of effective law enforcement is trust and following the law. And you don't have to look very far to see the

lawlessness of alleged law enforcement officers in Minneapolis, in Portland, in other parts of the country, in Pittsburgh, right near us. And so we don't have to choose between law and order with all law enforcement and chaos. That's not the case. Um there's a law that supersedes immigration law and it's the constitution. And we we should be familiar with and read the constitution, but the fourth amendment which guarantees due process is being violated every single day. It doesn't guarantee due process to citizens. It guarantees due process to persons in the United States. And that's that's the beauty of our system that you're innocent until proven guilty. All of us are innocent till proven guilty. Instead, we're living in a country in 2026 where if you are you are guilty, before you were proven to be before you were proven to be a citizen, before you were proven to have done anything, before you were proven to be a child or an adult, it doesn't matter. And the Constitution supersedes that first amendment rights we see violated every single day. The right to protest and free speech the rights that the country was founded upon. And so that is lawlessness. It is not law and order when the constitution's violated. And as you were just reminded, you swore to the constitution which includes the fourth amendment which ICE is violating every day throughout our country. And there's also a higher law, and some have spoken on it much more eloquently than I can, but the moral law. Martin Luther King said we should follow just laws. And just laws are laws that are in line with God's laws. And you don't have to be a religious person. You can be or not. When we have unjust laws, we seek to change them. When we have unjust organizations, we are allowed to use the law at our disposal to not work with them. And that's what you've the agenda

for this evening. And I hope that you will vote in favor of that. Uh my grandchildren someday, hopefully not too soon, will ask we did in the moment here. Some who have spoken have said this is a a young and inexperienced and political body. Yeah, it's political. We we vote for people politics. And then you need to be brave. It shouldn't be bravery in the United States to stand up for what's right. But if you are brave, should you pass this resolution? And I I understand objections to the resolution. There may be technicalities and things that I'm unfamiliar with. Uh what I care most about is what kind of neighbor I am, what kind of neighbor I show my children that I am, what kind of neighbor we teach them to be. Um and I have good friends who are neighbors in here close by, neighbors on my street. But in scripture, our neighbor is not just the person who lives next door to us. We all know the good Samaritan. And it's not really about like helping somebody or the Seinfeld episode where you don't help somebody and now everybody knows about it. It's about when the the lawyer asked Jesus, "Who's my neighbor though?" He said, "Love my neighbor, but who's my neighbor?" Trying to get out on a technicality and he says, "Here's a story of the good Samaritan." And he's someone that you wouldn't like at all. He actually doesn't look like you. He's a diff ethnicity than you. But which one of these people is your neighbor? And I hope that you'll take that lesson and I hope that you'll stand up for what's right in the face of so much wrong. Thank you.

Good evening. My name Good evening. My name is Bill Kirk. Um I reside at 198 Ridge Drive. Um thanks for giving me this opportunity tonight. Um, our former councilman, Jack Casey, made a number of salient points that I was going to make. So, I'll be brief. Um, madame president, members of council, um, I have read this resolution carefully, and I want to share some concerns that I think go to its core. The resolution says that it establishes a a policy for the enforcement of noncriminal federal immigration laws, but to my understanding, our mechanist police do not enforce federal immigration law. So, I believe that what this resolution really does is it establishes an official policy of non-participation and non-ooperation with our federal law enforcement partners. Now, it doesn't get rid of ICE. It just says we're not going to cooperate in any way. The resolution also relies on the phrase noncriminal immigration law, but does not operationally distinguish civil from criminal immigration matters. And this is important. Nor does it differentiate between low-risk cases and serious or repeat offenders. This language is overly broad and it's categorical. It eliminates discretion regardless of the public safety risk. That's why I'm speaking here tonight. It's for public safety. And I know none of us the intention for none of us is to do that. But while Michaelis does not control county detention facilities, this res resolution as written now deliberately removes the town from any lawful coordination that could allow enforcement to occur in a safe, controlled setting rather than later in

our community. In many cases, the only reason a previously deported felon is even discovered is because our local police lawfully arrest them for another offense and fingerprinting reveals the prior removal. Without this coordination, serious offenders, including repeat DUI offenders, violent and predatory pe people with violent predatory histories, they may just end up back on our streets because we are not coordinating with ICE, not enforcing. There's a big difference between enforcement and cooperation, coordination. this policy by removing police discretion shifts all the risk into our communities which again I don't believe it's any of your intentions to do that but under our current protocols which basically our police do not enforce immigration law they do not support illegal detainers the only effect that this resolution will have is to tie the hands of our police from communicating so dangerous criminals can be removed from our streets. And so I'm here tonight to ask you to please consider the way this resolution is written along with all of its unintended consequences. Thanks for listening to me tonight. Thank you all for listening.

Uh gooding good evening, council. Council members, my name is Bob Crankovic. Uh, Ward Two, uh, lived here for 41 plus years. I fervently stand here in opposition to this ordinance. The fact that we are actually here is horrific. One of our one of the bedrocks of a free and open society is the rule of law. ICE is simply here to enforce the laws. We need ICE to enforce the law at this level. It is critical that this ordinance be stopped. I do not want anyone anyone regardless of party who they voted for to be hurt or to be a victim of crime. I'm anti- crime. Period. Full stop. And recently thinking about Lake and Riley, Jal Shaw, and countless others with which some mainstream media refuses to speak about what did all those victims all have in common. They died at the hands of illegal immigrants. Do not let our fellow citizens, American citizens, die in vain. I respectfully ask you to reconsider this ordinance and ask our elected officials to do their duty to the citizenry of Macandlas enforce the law and please do not pass this ordinance. Thank you.

I'm Maryanne Love and I've been a resident of McCandless for well over 50 years. Um, I saw this on the website for the agenda tonight on for council. So, I've been one of many standing in the overflow for almost two hours at this stage. I'm here to um ask Mandless and the police to not sign an agreement to basically work for ICE. Um I've done some research, but I don't have any real prepared statements, but I think there's just three big primary reasons. I one, I think it's immoral. Number two, I hate to see our tax dollars, our meandless tax dollars going to support ICE. And number three, contrary to some other opinions, I think that our police force will be giving up their freedom because from what I've read, my understanding is that once they have this agreement with ICE in terms of immigration, they have to follow ISIS rules. Thank you.

Hi Good evening. Uh my name is Julie Guthrie. Um I'm in W six. Um and I am not only a taxpayer, but I am a mother of two beautiful daughters who attend school in this district. And I heard the word fear earlier. Um, and that word is something that I'm concerned for for our children when they see ICE, when they see people carrying massive guns with tactical wear and then they also see our police force coordinating with them. It is one time, one time that somebody needs to have a bad interaction with law enforcement and they will not want to have their help. they will not want to reach out one time and our children being exposed to that is terrifying. Um I would like to thank you so much for being proactive in um proposing this resolution because it is something that needs to be done before everything begins to happen here like it's happening in Minnesota. Um, there's fear propaganda coming from ICE and I appreciate the fact that you want to protect our police force, our law enforcement from being coerced or being forced into anything that really they find to be immoral or inethical, unethical. Um, as you pointed out in the resolution, um, illegal immigration is a civil issue. It is not a criminal issue. our police force um being paid by our tax dollars do not need to assist with ICE and their $75 billion um money amount of money that they've been given for their budget. They don't need us. If they have $75 billion, they

can work without our law our our local law enforcement helping them. Um, it is a public safety issue because as soon as our public sees that our local law enforcement is participating in the acts that ICE has been committing, it is going to destroy our community trust with our local law enforcement. We have seen in Minnesota that ICE has already violated the first, the fourth, the fifth, the eth, and the 14th amendments. and they're not hesitating to do that anywhere else. We've already seen that they're coming into our community, our local community, and it is not long before they come into Macanless. And I see a lot of privilege here in this room. And I know that I'm grateful for my privilege, but I also know that it is my privilege that is the reason why I'm here. Because I need to stand up for people who cannot stand up for themselves. I saw I saw out there that there is a that the Macless emergency services created a de a decal for autistic individuals in our community, which is an amazing thing to put on windows or cars so that our um law enforcement has um knowledge of these individuals and will treat them in a way that they deserve if they're being pulled over, that kind of thing. so that there isn't a confusion and there isn't a big issue and there isn't fear. Um we've already seen that ICE has no concern for anybody for their conditions, for their um state of dress, for their um unarmed and ICE just doesn't care. And if there were a child in a car with that decal that sees somebody pulled over or their parents

are pulled over, the moment they see the McCandless police with ICE participating in the destruction of these amendments, in the destruction of our constitution, they are not going to trust law enforcement. They are not going to want help. They are not going to be comfortable here. And also somebody said the good Samaritan. That's right. The good Samaritan did not stop and ask, "Are you here legally? Where are your papers?" The good Samaritan. It's true. It's true. They didn't stop and say, "Who are you? How can you prove to me that you deserve my help?" Our neighbors deserve our help. Our neighbors deserve our protection. and our police force deserves our protection from being coerced by our federal government to do things that are illegal. And I appreciate this resolution and I pray that you pass this resolution. I thank you so much. Hello guys, I am Nicole Klene. I've been a member of Macandler. I've been living here for 11 years. I am a stay-at-home mom with an 11-year-old boy and an 8-year-old girl. And from my first memory until about 8 years old, my mother was in relationships that were incredibly violent. And as a child, I had no way to help her. I put myself in the way. I would try to scream or run away. No real autonomy. Now around 8 years old, I realized that I could call the cops. Holy cow. As I was sitting in the back of a police car and they're handing me a stuffed animal and I'm feeling the comfort and safety that I might be able to help my mom get out of here.

I was never looking back on the way I felt about police. They were my heroes. And the other day I was walking down Liberty Avenue and there were two people fighting and I went towards it because I have a I I'm I'm interested. And I saw two men about to fight and one of them holding a sandwich board sign. Now granted, this is not Macan Loose. This is the city of Pittsburgh. My instinct was, "Let's call the cops. Let's get these guys safety. Let's get these guys help." And somebody stopped me and they said, "That's not going to help these guys." Never had that feeling. Never had that thought. Never had that concern. And I definitely don't want to start now. So, I'm asking you guys to help our police officers keep their oath to those they swore to protect. Our mothers, our nurses, our teachers, our town. I want you guys to show us courage by refusing to condone corrupt acts like shooting civilians like Keith Porter Jr., letting fear murder our mothers like Renee Nicole Good or letting aggression replace love and compassion until it slowly takes our heroes like Alex Fetti. Our federal government has lost its way and this community is all we have. So I beg you guys that you choose to protect us and ensure that everyone feels at home in the town of McCandless. Thank you guys. Hi. Um, Miles and Debbie Cook, 9139 Lancelot Drive. Uh, I've been sitting here listening all night to all these people talking about how all of this stuff that's going on in Minnesota. Okay. Uh, you know what? We're the ones

that lived three houses down from the ones that they raided the house. We saw everything that was going on for over a year. We asked for help. Ask for help. We watched them dismantle cars with their drugs and everything else. And it was we can't do anything about it. It's ISIS's problem. what it took a year that we had to live actually living it, not seeing it on TV or flying to Minneapolis to be in the middle of it with them. We lived it. It was wonderful when ICE finally came and took the one out of there and then the uh Alageney County Drug Task Force came in and took two or three of the other ones out. They had cameras in their cars that were hooked up to inside the house so that they could see when the police were coming. I get it. A lot of immigrants are good people. But there are some that are not. There's no way we can figure out who is and who isn't until they are vetted. There's no reason in God's green earth that if I comes in and says, "Hey, we have this guy's name. What can we do about it? And have Mckanda say, "No, he's been a resident here for a year. He is legal and everything else. Case closed." The reason why we have all of these problems going on in Minnesota and everything is no one's working together. They're just trying to block them. They don't have a choice but to go in and grab somebody to see if they are illegals or what the problem might be. If we all work together, we won't have to have the problems you see in Minnesota.

As my wife and I have lived it every single day, seeing 14 cars down there being dismantled, put back together, license plates changed. They're not all good people. They're not. And I I see no reason why McCandless cannot work with ICE alto together and eliminate any of these problems that you're hearing from these other people of what's going on in Minnesota because they're not working together to be safe in this community. They have to work together. Thank you. You want to say something here?

Does my time count as his time? We can start you over. I don't know if I'll make it through it because I'm pretty emotional about this because I lived it and I have a bad heart. So bear with me. I I'll give it my best.

Um Okay. We have lived in town since 1988. We've personally witnessed this scary situation of illegal immigrants who who rented a house three doors from us. We watched for months as these people, so many people that I truly don't know how many lived in this house. They rented the house. They were selling drugs and God only knows what else. We have an addition that sticks out further back than the rest of the people's houses. So, we can see straight down there as to what was going on. You don't understand the fear of living near people who are doing these things. If it wasn't for ICE taking these people away and and to be honest, I'm not certain Macandless police could have assisted. I don't know. Uh we would still have these people as neighbors. By the way, there were many people living in this home. It was intended for a family. There's three bedrooms and they would have five to six cars deep in the driveway, three cars wide. And every day and all night long, they would disassemble these cars and the parts would be hanging from trees as they're taking the drugs out of them. I seen it firsthand. This isn't maybe somebody told me. I watched it. I watched them down there with welding materials taking these cars apart. And they had spotlights that were shining at the cars up in our house and you're scared. It was all hours of the night. It didn't

matter. We, my husband and I personally watched a manless police car sit on Lancelot. So the way it worked was they had two cars that sat at that corner of Lancelot and Cumberland. And those two cars had cameras in it and they would let those guys know inside the house if a cop pulled up or if ICE pulled up. So then I we watched this happen. As soon as the police pulled up and sat there, those people came out of that house like you wouldn't believe. Got in those cars and boom boom boom boom boom out of that driveway they went until the police left. And when the police left, one by one, they all came right back and back at it. Whis went on for months, it was awful. It was scary. It was very scary. And you don't realize it until you're the one living next to this kind of a situation. And when ICE drug ICE and the drug task force took care of this matter, we never knew that it happened until we saw a moving truck pull up and taking their belongings out. I I did there was no commotion. There was no uh people being drugged out or there was none of that. And I I live I I don't work anymore. I see what's going on down there. And trust me, I watch because we have grandchildren that are at our house frequently and I I was worried for them of them being there and seeing this craziness. None of what's going on down there. They said, "Honey, please don't don't even look down there." I mean, it's our family room, so you you tend to we have three, six, what? Eight, six

windows that look out down there. So, you tend to see that's what you see. But I just kept saying, "Please don't just just don't pay attention. Let our officers work with them, please."

So, I would just say, "Please, please realize that we deserve and are entitled to the protection from these types of activities going on in our own neighborhoods and and we ask you to vote against it and let let our police help I so that I don't have to live like that again." And it and this way they don't they don't have to worry about any commotion. They know that if they're going after someone if it is the right person or not. So that there is no confusion of who they're grabbing.

It's a scary thing. You you don't know until you're do you're living it. But it's a very scary thing when you got these people down there doing this and I'm living right there. I'm right there. It's not somebody telling me I lived it. It's true. And it's scary. Thank you. Thank you.

Yeah, hopefully the microphone gets uh picks me up. Um my name is Christopher Dlinger. Uh I've been a resident of Macccan List since 2017. Um I want to talk a little bit about appeasement. Um the forgive me the everybody's got a little stirring speech that I kind of at a loss for words but uh I've heard a couple of people my memory is a little fuzzy uh from it's been a haunting minute here uh with someone earlier had brought up the idea that if McCandless had uh voted in favor of of this this resolution that somehow our federal funding might be at risk. Um, and I'm speaking in in favor of of the resolution, by the way. forgot to mention that. But I'm not so sure voting for or against this resolution would put our put those fundings any more at risk than they already are. We've we faced a federal government that has been willing to withhold funding because Donald Trump's name isn't on a new station being remodeled. Uh is is the new one, right? That's the latest threat of the day. Um the the executive branch is not supposed to have the ability to deallocate funds or withhold funds, but it sure seems to be something that they're interested in trying to exercise. So, I'm not sure if the um

if rejecting this motion because of any fear over losing federal assistance is is founded. Um, I think that right now we need to hold together as a town and and you know codify the idea that our immigrant neighbors are welcome here. Um, this this now I I've read the resolution here. It's not um it's not saying that the police can't enforce the law that there are carveouts specifically for uh you know cooperation as long as ICE has a judicial warrant which is they're supposed to have in the first place. So, I again I'd ask you to to vote in favor of this resolution and you know I u and I uh I hope that you do.

Hello. Um my name is Jordan Dolinger. I was born in the South Hills. Um, and I've been a resident of Macanas for over 8 years. My family has a history of being first responders, um, everything from EMS, firefighters, nurses, and police all across Pittsburgh. Um, from what I have seen, there is no working with ICE. They are not following traditional structures of enforcement. They are destructive to both citizens and property. They will treat people and families as just quotas that they can um that they can abuse. ICE has caused in fact significant damage that is unwarranted and illegal. Um recently they were uh they left a a trail of destruction at um Ameliano's of thousands of dollars. There are videos online you can see um which caused that location to close um just north of us. Economists have actually studied the effects of mass deportation um during the secure communities of 2008 to 2014 where over 454,000 individuals most of whom were male were removed from uh the communities and what they discovered was that for every 13 immigrants were removed 10 US citizens lost their jobs and that is because of an idea in economics called complimentary jobs. These are people who are typically taking jobs that are not being applied for by US citizens and allowing them allow they allow US

citizens to create jobs in support of those structures. And in fact, due to their insistence um ICE insistence on being um unidentified and masked, we have actually started to see uh impersonators who are dawning masks, claiming to be ICE. They are breaking into homes. They are assaulting people. They are sexually assaulting women. Um, just this past month, a impersonator broke into a home near Mount Washington and was only stopped because a teenager happened to be at the house and was able to overtake that um, criminal. Um, and just due to how difficult they've been to work with on community levels. Several municipalities including Robinson, Coriopouloolis, and Alageney County have chosen not to assign on to agreements with ICE and have actually withdrawn um their initial agreements with ICE. Uh I believe these police departments can be a way for us to look forward uh as a way of guiding us forward. Um I ICE has given no attempt to alleviate concerns to address um being misidentified to address the violence that they have caused the destruction that they have caused. Instead, we are told to ignore to see what we see. We are uh told to allow an untrained department to leave a trail of destruction just for security theater. They are not here to protect us from criminals. They are here to filter out the community by any means necessary. I hope this council will pass this resolution.

Hello, my name is Anna Sloadgak, Sierra Lima, Oscar, Bravo Oscar, Delta, November, Yankee, Alpha Kilo. I know it's a doozy. Figured I'd whip out the alphabet there. Um, I have not been a member or I've not been a um a citizen of MCandalas for a very long time. I I moved here with my husband behind me um in 2023. Um but in that time I have had nothing but positive experiences um with this community and particularly um its uh law enforcement. So that's why I wanted to take a moment um to number one thank you for the opportunity to speak and to be a part of this discussion. Um Bucks County Sheriff's Department was um sued by the Pennsylvania uh ACLU um because they unilaterally passed um a decision that they were going to do a 287g um partnership with ICE. So I again appreciate that you are giving us all the opportunity to discuss this matter and not um you know pass this without any of our knowing. I feel like you have been um you know transparent about this particular issue and it does appear as though you are taking the time to thoroughly consider um before taking a vote um later on. Um so first off, thank you. My two concerns were um again with overburdening our um existing uh police department. Um so a 287G uh agreement does not shift responsibility to ICE even if the local law enforcement is acting um on IC's orders. Um it unfortunately shifts risk onto the local law enforcement and the municipality. Um so if we were to um follow ISIS delegation and and their particular orders that happened to be um unlawful um you know in engaging in racial profiling um exceeding their authority,

ICE cannot be held legally responsible if we have a 287g um in place. Even if it is our law enforcement acting under IC's orders, it is still our law enforcement that would be held accountable. And if we all remember our history, the Nermberg trials found that I was just following orders is not a valid defense. Um so that would not be fair to burden our local police. Secondly, um the uh efficiency um and the efficacy of these agreements are not proven. Um, so the promise that uh 287G agreements improve public safety uh has not been supported by evidence. Um, but it is well documented that they expose municipalities to lawsuits, drain public funds, reallocate uh public funds and resources um and create the potential for long-term uh legal liability that can follow uh a community for years. um you as our local government have a responsibility to protect uh our public resources, everything that our our our tax dollars um go to keeping this public safe. Um and generally that that does include um avoiding unnecessary risk. So I am not an accountant. I I would not claim to be able to um present to you myself a costbenefit analysis of the um risk of partnering with ICE and and following their um displayed unconstitutional processes. Um, so if if part of your decision- making um on behalf of of all the the taxpayers and and the citizens of McCandless um could include weighing the uh risk of of partnering with ICE against the uh our tax dollars being being used locally to support our local police and first responders who are as

far as I can tell again I've only been here a few short years but um I have you know never felt felt unsafe in this community. It sounds like um you know the others members of this community that have been here far longer than I have. It you know it sounds like um this municipality and and its law enforcement and first responders have had um you know nothing but an upstanding um record of of service to our community and hopefully um by by passing resolution 2026-03 uh we can continue that legacy. Thank you for your time. Hello, my name is Neil Donaldson and as my wife mentioned, we have been a resident here for just over two years and I want to speak in support of this resolution and people have talked a lot today tonight really about how whether we agree to cooperate or not, ICE is going to come anyway and how if we don't cooperate that is how places like here like McCandless are going to end up like Minneapolis. And that is the talk of an of an abused person. That is the that is the language of an abuser. That is the language of why did you make me do this? We did not make them do anything. We are not making them go over and bust people out of cars, ignore all sorts of laws, court orders, the things that are supposed to keep our government in check with itself. Executive branches are beholden to judicial systems. At least they are supposed to be. But it really doesn't seem like ICE cares about that. they just kind of do what they want, which is not something that I am willing to have

my community cooperate with. Turning over and exposing ourselves, metaphorically speaking, is not the way to live a life and support a community. We need to be able to take pride in ourselves and not just do what someone says because they're threatening violence. That can't be how we live our lives. It's not any way to live. And if we give up because someone's threatening to do something if we don't, they are we are teaching them that those threats win, that those threats work, and they will only keep doing it. And I just don't want that to be how the world works. I don't want might to make right. I want people to make right. And I want this community to be right. And we can't do that if we're cooperating with a enforcement agency that doesn't care about anything or anyone. I didn't have a prepared speech or not when I came up to talk and I didn't even plan to speak when I came here, but I just think it's important that I make my voice heard because I just can't stomach working with ICE. I truly can't. And I just want to end. People have quoted a lot of people. People have cited a lot of historical sources. I'm going to cite, paraphrase really, a person that I'm sure everyone here knows very well. Fred Rogers. Fred Rogers told people to look for the

helpers and you will get that help. Ice are not helpers. Thank you. Hi everybody. Sorry I had one thing that I needed to say. I thought we were done. My name is Kelly Pernell, lifelong resident of Macandless as some of these people know. Um I just have to say something. I for the the families who lived next to that house that you know with the cars and the I I'm so sorry. I'm sorry that happened and I'm sorry that you lived through that. Um I've also had those same kinds of issues in Ingamar. Um we've had neighbors that deal drugs across the street. I I have neighbors that watch them do do drugs and have people over in their backyard. Um, the neighbor that used to live next to us did not keep up their house to the point that their feal matter and their toilet paper came into our yard while my children would be out there playing. Their son called me to tell me that he watched me breastfeed my children. They're all white. They're American citizen. I am sorry that an immigrant community came in and took that house. I am I'm also sorry that I had to live in a place with white American citizens who treated us like that. And that's all I've got to say. I I don't see it as a black and brown or a white issue. I see this as humanity and we all need help. And this is a bigger issue than them versus us. Democrat versus Republican.

I agree. I agree. But it is not working with murderers and rapists. I can't can't do that. Thank you.

Hello, my name is Greg Pansky. I'm a resident of Ward 4. I've lived in McCandalless for over 30 years. Uh I started out standing in back and then I sat down for a while, but I was tired of standing, so I was waiting until the line got down. So maybe I'm the last speaker. Uh, I appreciate I appreciate what council is doing in terms of hearing people out and I hope that you will uh consider these all the comments and also understand what the facts are and have the right perspective. I mean, there are people who have talked about immigrants not having constitutional rights, which based on my understanding is totally felicious. Uh, but I'd like also like you to keep in perspective what the current administration has done. There was a bipartisan effort prior to the election to address the immigration situation. A presidential candidate put that put the squash on that. Uh, President Trump went he he said he would get rid of the worst of the worst. However, the statistics are showing that that a very a relatively small percentage of the people who have been captured and deported are actually criminals. We please consider the credibility of this administration and the disinformation that they put out. uh their math ability is impressive when you talk about 600% decrease in the cost of prescription drugs. Uh the lives that they say they save

with each of the boats that they've destroyed in the in the Caribbean uh is has no relationship to the number of lives that this country's lost through drugs. Uh they were supposedly going after waste, fraud, and abuse. I am waiting for our attorney general to have a press conference to talk about the criminal processes that they've initiated to address waste, fraud, and abuse. Doge was generating all these savings, most of which were lies and have since been refuted. So, as you consider what to do with this resolution, I encourage you to consider that immigration is a federal issue. Politics is local, but this administration has very little credibility, and please take that into consideration. Thank you. Don Hart 8189 streamside. Uh, a lot of you may know me, some do not. Uh, pleasure to speak to you again. Uh kind of disappointed I have to be here because the last two years we didn't have to do this kind of stuff because we didn't do politics. We did what the people needed us to do. Minneapolis passed a proposal similar to this. And what did it get them? Did it make them safer? Did it make them safer? Does the politics of chaos that you're proposing make McCainless safer?

When I served in this council, this this didn't happen because we did the people's business, not federal business. I'm very disappointed that this has been proposed because this is politics instead of considering public safety. If you wish to change immigration law, go to Washington DC, talk to your congressman, because this is feel-good legislation that's only going to make us less safe by reducing the communication between the police and federal officers. If you think it's just going to be ICE, think again. All the feds are going to think you are a pariah. passing immigration law covers a lot of things. Five of the 9/11 hijackers were here illegally.

Thank you. Paul Hecman. Uh, first off, I think everybody that's still here deserves a participation award. Um, including council,

including including council. Um, we've you said there's still work to be done. Yes, we'll still be here too. You know that. Um, I can't say that this piece of legis. Do I think the 287g is something we want to do? Nope. Not it from anything I've read says no. That is just not the right type of agreement to enter into. But that's why you ask for discussion. And I hope that you now have way lots of discussion to try to wade through and pull out the facts from the fears. And the reason for doing it now is because if you didn't do it now and something happened, then the uproar would be well, you knew it was going to happen. Why didn't you set that up to begin with? Um, and I don't think anything I've read in the resolution prevents the police from doing the lawful things that they need to do with the ICE. And and I kind of resent ICE being thrown totally under the bucket because I'm sure there are very many good ICE agents. I'm sure the people that have worked with them, there are good ICE agents. There are bad people in every occupation, in every neighborhood. But the good news is is there's more good people than bad people. And our job is to weed out where we can and do the best to make things safe. And I think that's what you're trying to do. I hope as you go through and weigh everything that's been put here, maybe there's some things in there that you say, "Well, yes, I think there might be something to be done with changing the wording here or there." But I think overall, yes, something does need to be there so that it protects our

police. It protects our neighborhood. There there are there is no need for us to get pulled into spending money that we don't need to spend because it should have been covered by the federal government. So, thank you for those who are leaving as soon as this is done. Thank you for coming out tonight. For the rest of us, let's get on with the party. Good evening, John Harrison McCandless. Tonight, what you're talking about is you're talking about protecting. Now, listen to these numbers. You may want to write them down. 28,684. Does anybody know what that number is? That's the number of residents in McCandless Township that you're protecting. So then you go from those numbers to these screens. Of course, I can't get it now. But

of those numbers, the number of people that have been murdered in this country by people that are here illegally, they made a choice to come to this country. Why? Because it's a great place to live. I have colleagues that I work with in in industry all through Pittsburgh that have come here the legal and correct way. They have come here. They've been sponsored by companies, organizations, churches, whatever, so that they could come here. The word is legally. The fact is the number of people that have been killed in this country from illegal people being here is astronomical. Think about if you took one neighbor out of your neighborhood that was killed by somebody illegally. How would your neighbor neighborhood react? How would you live? The fact that we're giving the chief who does a great job and the police who do great job to be able to possibly prevent somebody who could have been arrested and turned over to ICE instead the numbers that some of these people are 3.8 times they've been arrested. 3.8 times that they've been arrested. Some of the people that were killed, those people were arrested 18 times. And they've killed how many? We don't even know. Think if the community would have said, "You know what? We're going to do the right thing. We're going to sit there and pick up the phone and call ICE and say, Chief picks up the phone and goes,

hey, we have somebody here that's in our possession. We feel there might be an issue." They come in, they investigate, they take the person away. Think if they would have did that on the first time. What did it cost us as taxpayers for those 17 trials? And then we kick them out. They or we kick them out of the country. And there's how many that have come back illegally? The first time is a minor offense. The second time is a felony coming back if you've been kicked out of the country. So don't sit there and let people say it's not illegal. The fact is there's different layers of security in this country. It starts with our local police departments. The next level up is the Connie Police Department. The next one above that, the sheriff and the Connie kind of run both in and hand in hand for Elegant Economy because they both have different duties. The next ones above that are the state police. Who's above that? Sounds like it might be ICE. Might be the federal government. That's your next line of defense. So, if we're all fine with going home and sleeping the night, knowing that the couple that was here, they had their neighbors, their neighborhood ransacked for a year because of illegals being there. Think about that. Think about somebody coming and bothering your house every day. Remember that.

If I see no more public comment, uh we will move on to our agenda. We are at number five, the approval of minutes. January second miss um I'm sorry miss um saying so um we have a motion and a second all in favor please respond by saying I

I against motion carries Moving on to agenda item number six, administration and final three reports. Britain, would you like to start?

Okay, I will keep this very brief. Um, good evening, council. So enclosed in your pocket, you will find the checklisting from December 2025 in the amount of 1,75,292 and $9220. If you have any questions on the checklisting, I'd be happy to answer them. Make sure to separate December 1st, 2025, 2025 1,75,9 submitted to each member of council. Okay,

we have a motion and a second. Um, and any questions about this? If I'm going to abstain due to the reasons that one of the moment address Thank you. All in favor of approving this checklisting, please respond by saying I. I.

Any opposed? We have six in favor with one submission. So motion passes. Moving to item number seven, the full committees. Uh we'll begin with the reports of the public safety committee and with the chief's report, please. Good evening, council. Uh I will also be brief. Uh couple highlights for January uh for the police department. Uh the two new sergeants that you folks helped us promote a month or so ago uh attended a vital training. It's called Pause it. It's through Penn State. It's a training that's uh intensive and it's designed for new firstline supervisors. Uh also in January the entire department began their annual mandatory training through uh the municipal police officers education and training commission. That's uh two full days of training. That's a minimum uh requirement by the state annually for uh all police officers in the in the um commonwealth. And like I said, we begin that in January. That'll be a a monthsl long process. Um as you can see down in the paragraph, I want to say three or four there. um social worker continues to be busy with referrals and trainings. Um also of not in January we um turned in another 34 12 pounds of unwanted prescriptions. Um the town collects a large amount of those every month um for destruction. And uh finally 38 deer calls in the month of January. Um at least 38. and Big Daddy Wildlife removed 13 carcasses. And that's probably a small number compared to other months. Any questions?

Thank you. Appreciate it. Any further questions or comments from council? Okay, hearing none, we'll move on to the fire marshals report.

Good evening. Um, good news for for you guys is January was a little light for me just because I was getting back on track. Um, the good news is the um, rehab is doing pretty well. So hopefully soon I'll be back to to full service duty. Um some of the highlights for January, uh coordinating the medical evaluation program for our firefighters. So we've got two dates that our firefighters will be having their physicals, their annual physicals. One is March 14th and the other is April 11th. They are both here like in the past. Um the steering committee uh was cancelled. It was scheduled for January 27th, but it was canceled due to the weather. Um working on the joint bylaws for the fire companies. a draft was submitted to the fire companies. So now kind of the ball's in their court. So we'll be monitoring that. Um on January 25th, I don't have to tell McCannis residents about our large snowfall. So right before that happened, I did activate our emergency management agency uh team of one. Um that was just to monitor the situation because our agencies already had plans in place. Uh, fortunately for us, uh, we had no power outages. I was aware of, no major incidents. Fire, police, and DPW all did a great job handling, uh, their load of the work. Um, I monitored from a remote location, maybe my house, but um, to monitor with Alageney County Emergency Services. Uh, a lot of lot of communities were really struggling. Um salt salt trucks were going down, power outages, gas leaks. Uh it was a disaster, but fortunately here in Macanas, uh I know we had a lot of snow, but we did dodge it. Um a big shout shout out to Mr. Wall and St. Alexis

crew. They uh offered uh right before the storm hit, they offered to be a warming shelter if we needed it. Again, fortunately, we didn't need it. But now that I know you guys are willing, you're on the list. just so you're aware. Okay. I appreciate that. And for everyone that um had a hydrant in their yard or maybe a neighbors and you shoveled it out, thank you so much. You know, from the fire service, we greatly appreciate that because we know where the hydrants are at because of our software, but sometimes getting to them is going to be a little bit of a challenge. So for those of you that still have a hydrant that could be shoveled out over the next couple days, it's going to warm up a little bit. Be a perfect time to do that. So that's kind of

question all the snow that has come down the pike. Is there any way that we can get our residents for their their their hybrids in their yards? because I know that Westview Water because of the work that Jed Casey did, they're going to paint those hydrants this year because of our 170th. But if we can get some sort of almost like a bicycle antenna to to put it in the ground so when we do have a snow, you can tell where the hyphen is.

So there you're referring to what they call a hydro marker. So there are different hydroarkers. Uh that is one of them. We do have on a numbers and and this happened before I took over for stack. Um he got hydro markers that go on the front steamer connection. So those are kind of our hydro markers. You might have also seen a blue um a blue piece of metal with a blue top on it. I'm not sure exactly when they were enacted as well, but um but certainly that's something we can look at in the future for kind of, you know, identifying that. Like I said, the good part is we have software that identifies where those hydrants at and that software is in all our fire trucks, so they'll kind of know where it's at or the vicinity, even if it's under snow, we'll have an idea.

There was also another um recommendation that was made to me from a constituent. We don't have a a means and I don't know whether we have the means to communicate but Westview Water has the means to communicate with everyone of their services by text message. So if we could work with Western Water to try and get a message sent out that lets the residents know that that you should uh relieve the snow from around your your fire hydrant. That would be helpful. Yes. And again, I want to point out, so there's no law, there's no ordinance, you know, there's no penalties involved in that. It's just simply, you know, it'd be nice if if you would do it or again, if you're a neighbor and, you know, a lot of we do have some, you know, elder residents that they just can't get out and do it. And, you know, that's totally acceptable. So, if you're around uh and you see a hydrant, I I've shoveled a few out myself um even though I'm not supposed to. I know, awesome. I know, but I've done it and uh just because I I know it needed done. So, if everyone, you know, can pitch in who can with a shovel, like I said, these next couple days would be a perfect time to do it. So, um but yeah, I appreciate that comment. So, um it's up to you guys if you want. I can I can go over the annual numbers. I did submit the 2025 annual report. It is in your guys' packet. Uh, I know it's been a long night, so if you'd like me to review some of the numbers, that's great, but they're in there. So, I'll leave that up to you.

Does anyone in council have questions for Marshall about the annual report? And if we do, we can email you, right? Absolutely. Okay. Okay. So, any further questions for Fire Marshall Wisner before we move on? Okay. Uh, next we have item uh, building permit report for the month of January. Um, anything to add to that? A light month. Nothing out of the ordinary. Okay, thank you. We'll move to liaison reports. Uh, personnel board, Mr. Georgetti had a quick reorg meeting at at the end of last month and looking forward to the next meeting coming up here.

Great. Uh, volunteer firefighters, as we heard, they did not meet due to the storm. Um, so do we have any public comments on public safety? Okay, just to reiterate, Mr. W, will you address C council, please? Yeah, I'm sorry. You were just to reiterate what I was saying earlier about our DPW. Okay. I have two comments about P public safety. I Can you please state your name again, sir?

My name is Greg Kansky, resident of W 4. I'm not sure when it was, but in the last couple of months, there was another municipality where the fire department had problems because the uh water supply to the hydrants wasn't properly maintained. I think Westview Water does a real good job, but I don't know whether or not the fire marshals work with with Westview to make sure that all of our hydrants are active. Uh if not, I think it's probably worth a little bit of time to do that. Uh the second comment relates to uh deer management. Uh I appeared before council last year with some comments about deer management and I uh reviewed the video for the last environmental advisory council meeting and I know that they're uh planning to do something. I look forward to to council moving forward with uh a more proactive approach to uh the situation because it certainly is a problem for the municipality. Thank you.

Thank you for your comment. There any

Lori Barowski? I'd like to just revisit my public comments at the beginning of the meeting and see if this is an opportunity for the chief to respond to maybe a summary. I know I'm catching you off guards with perhaps incidents that are involving illegal immigrants in our community relating to possible gun purchases, petty theft. Perhaps maybe elaborate a little bit on these incidents we've heard of on Cumberland and Lancelot. If you could please if um I want to remind everyone that we do have a resolution on public comment and it is public comment. Um, we we ask that, you know, if you have specific questions, we hear them and if they can be addressed at some point by council or staff, we will address them. Um, at this point, I'm not sure if we want to

I think the chief would need to think about this and come up with a proper answer before he'd answer right now. Okay. Is that something I should email about or intend to hear something at the next meeting? If you have a question directly, feel free to email it to me and I'll take care of it for you.

Thank you. Thank you very much. Ellen, right? Um, I want to thank you for this wonderful process that you've gone through tonight to hear everybody's viewpoints. It was it was very nice. Thank you for doing that. Um, I have a concern about the personnel board meeting that happened on January 27th. It was listed as a Zoom meeting only. Um, it's my understanding that with Zoom you provide a link where somebody can access the Zoom. I don't see where there was any link for the Zoom to connect to. And um, if somebody didn't have Zoom, there was no phone number to call in um, to be able to um, participate in the meeting. So, I just wanted to share my concern that the um personnel board meeting was unlike this meeting that allowed for everybody's comments because there was no Zoom contact number. There was no phone number. There was no possibility for providing written comments ahead of time. So, thank you very much.

Thank you for your comment. Do we have any other Mr. Harrison? John Harrison. Um to the public works, you guys knocked it out of the park. You did a great job. To our local fire departments, these guys go and volunteer. They have full-time jobs, most of them, and they really never get the credit that they deserve for what they do. Then, as a fellow citizen of the community, you have a fire in your neighborhood. They pull up to the fire plug, the fire hydrant, they have a fire hydrant they can't find. If you couldn't find a fire hydrant, you had to dig it out and it took five minutes. We'll say it takes 10 minutes. What's it do to the response of being able to put the fire out?

I don't know the size of a fire, but it definitely couldn't affect.

You pull up to a fire hydrant and you have a fire hydrant that's out. So, they got to go to the second hydrant to go and hopefully get a live line. Westview Water does a decent job. They actually do a great job because there was a water line on Headwig that was leaking. Nobody, the neighbor who is in front of his house would think that as the ice starts building up and by the time they finally they got out to to it, the ice was probably almost a foot thick. So you get down the road and you hit this giant ice bump as you're going down. Called public works. I should have actually I wish I had a stopwatch because in probably less than 20 minutes you guys were on site on the road. Westview Water was out an hour or so later and they started and it took two days for them to fix the problem. But if you see something in the neighborhood in a community, say something, it makes a difference. It's a safety thing. It takes all of 2 minutes to make that phone call. It took me longer to go and call and look up the phone number for West Les Water than it did to make the call. It makes a huge difference because if that line was out of service on Headwig, the next available line is on Park View. Headwig is approximately a/4 mile long. So now you got to stretch fire hoses for a house on Headwig a/4 mile if there's a fire. So if you see something, say something. And everybody should adopt a fire hydrant. It should be a policy that we do. We actually should be a program we start in the community. Adopt a fire hydrant. You know what it takes to do it? It takes five minutes to pull up to the fire hydrant or walk

over to the fire hydrant and shovel the snow around it. 3 ft to the left, 3 feet to the right, straight to the curb, and three feet behind it. It doesn't take anything to do. Five minutes could make a difference on whether someone gets out of their house or your house is saved. So everybody that's in the community pull together and we can make a difference so that actually when the fire trucks get there they can do their job instead of oh you know what they got to go shovel the snow. Be a responsible person in the community. I yield.

Thank you for your comment. Please see no one else for public comment. We will move on to reports of facilities management. Uh first our staff report from public works. Oh, how you doing?

Couple things that we did last month. Uh we continued the uh wallpark culver project. Uh Christmas tree pickup concluded. We did some painting here at town hall. Uh we continued on the 2026 uh basin projects and uh it did snow um couple times. Uh we had one of the biggest snows in the last decade. Um and I think we were out for like 48 hours straight. Uh but my my staff did a tremendous job. Uh they they they they did great. There's no other words for it other than they were fantastic. Any questions?

You guys crushed it. Thank you. Thank you, Madam President. I I'd also like to mention that not only were they out doing the actual work, but when everything was going on, Brad was extremely responsive to me when I had residence concerns that I passed on to him. and he not only responded to me that so I could respond to a resident but then took care of the problem and that really shows our residents that we are working in their best interest to do the right thing. Thank you so much.

You know, I I'll double that. U we had some issues with um you know a snowplow knocking over a mailbox or knocking over a sign. Brad, you were you were Johnny on the spot. You did a great job. Appreciate it. Thank you. Any other questions? Okay. So, we will move on to liaison reports uh from the environmental advisory committee. Mr. Hson,

thank you. Um the previous meeting we basically, you know, introduce ourselves, introduce new members. Um there's been discussions with the upcoming the cleanup. We also had discussions when it came to potentially rebooting our regional EAC working with other EAC groups across the Philadelphia area. Um, another thing is that we received our air quality monitor where we can put it outside the township the town building and you know I haven't received any word whether it's set up or not. Um, last I heard it was it's physically here but we haven't set it up yet.

That should be interesting. Thank you. Any questions for Mr. Hickerson? Okay. Uh the ad hoc storm water management committee. Uh Mr. Babage, there was no meeting at this time. Any public comment on facilities management. Okay. Seeing none, we will move on to the reports of the services committee. Uh we have the liaison reports. We will start with uh Mr. Arlo and the MTSA. male township san territory. I attended the meeting Thursday but meeting minutes from the previous meeting or are in the packet. Any questions let me know. Thank you very much. And uh the Franklin Park Ambulance Authority, Mr. Geette

had their reorg meeting last month and happy to report that they continue to improve their operations by the day. Very good. And finally, Northland Public Library Authority. Mr. unusually long meeting. Um the director Amy Steel departed. Um she was mended by the state. So there's a great ceremony for that.

Uh they are doing their final interviews for the replacement or they should have just done one this week. Um their board reorganized as well. And they took time to especially call out an excellent uproar article, the uh North Alageney Senior High newspaper about the remodel. And they said it was very well written. uh it was by a senior Samantha Tro and I went back and read it's very good. So Delta A. Uh and then finally the tickets just went on sale for their gala on April 20th.

Great. Um any questions from council for the various service committees? Okay. Uh we don't have it on the agenda, but is there any public comment on service committees? Okay. Hearing none, we move on to old business. And there is no old business. Uh, agenda item number nine, new business. Uh, action concerning appointment of assistant town secretary and town right to know officer. Make a motion to appoint. Well, do you want to make the motion first and then we'll be okay. Go ahead. I apologize. You want to explain something, Mr. Schwan. Go ahead.

I just wanted to uh announce and introduce Miss Katie Stringent who's joined us today for her first meeting with Miss This is exactly like this. We're we're really lucky to have Katie. I'll have her come up and introduce herself real quick and talk about her. But, uh, she was a great find. I'm really happy to have her on board on the team. So, your podium is yours, Mr.

Uh, good evening, council. As Mr. Schwend just said I'm Katie Stringent. I am the new assistant town manager. This is week three. Um so I I'm looking forward to working with all of you. Most recently I was the director of community development at Moon Township and before that I was the municipal manager at the Burough of Castle Shannon. Um so I've been working in local government for quite some time and look forward to working with all of you. Thank you. Thank you. Welcome. All three. Okay. I make a motion to appoint Miss Katie Stringent as the assistant secretary and as the count right to know officer. Second. Thank you. We have a motion and second. All in favor, please respond by saying I. I.

Any opposed? Motion passes. Okay. And now action concerning Old Perry Highway Town Homes subdivision plan mortgage subdivision block lot 1071-E-96. Would someone like to make a motion, please? I'll make a motion to approve the old Perry Highway town homes subdivision plan as submitted by Greg Swab as reviewed by the town engineer in their letter dated January 21st, 2026 and recommended for approval by the planning commission. We have a second. Second.

Thank you, Mr. Hickerson. Any questions about this from council before we Okay. Uh can we have uh all in favor of approving this motion, please respond by saying I? I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Okay. Next is action concerning warden plan lot consolidation minor subdivision loft lot 825-P243 and 825-P241. Would someone like to make a motion please? Motion motion to approve or reject the warden plan consolidation as submitted by you want to you need to make a motion to approve or

Oh, sorry. Yes. like to make a motion to approve or reject the No, just approve. Approve the Yeah, sorry. We're here for you. Motion to approve the the old Perry Highway town home subdivision plan. We got that one. Yeah, it's the one below. I'm sorry, folks. It's been a long reset. Yeah, we all right. I'll do it. Yep. Starting with CI. Yep. Thank you. Um motion to approve the presidential arms department.

Yeah, this one right here. Okay, I'm sorry folks. I've just had a long day. Motion to approve the warden warden plan consolidation as submitted by Laurian L. Warden as reviewed by the town engineer in their letter dated December 21st, 2025 and recommended for approval by the planning commission. Thank you. We have all right up three times. I'm sorry I didn't hear. Thank you, Mr. W. Okay, we have a motion and a second. All in favor, please respond with by saying I.

I. Any opposed? Hey, motion carries. Now the action concerning presidential arms department plan minor land development block lot 947- K-136. Do we have a motion? I make a motion to approve the presidential arms department plan as submitted by Kevin Roland and reviewed by the town engineer in their letter dated January 21, 2026. Recommended for approval by the planning commission. Thank you, Mr. Wall. Do we have a second? Second. Thank you, Mr. Hickerson. Any questions on this? Okay. Uh without questions, uh can we have all in favor? Please respond by saying I.

I. Any opposed? Oh, motion carries. Next is action concerning the the Baylor plan partial bond release number one. Do we have a motion? Thank you. Motion to approve the partial bond release number one of the Baylor plan performance bond in the amount of $84,570 for the town engineers bond release recommendation letter dated December 11th 2025. I believe we have a motion. Do we have a second? Second. Hey Miss Al. Okay. Any questions about this? Okay. No seeing none questions. All in favor please respond by saying I.

I. Any opposed? Okay, motion carries. Uh, letter F. Action concerning the Baylor plan partial bond release number two. We have a motion, please. That's the ridge plan. Yes, you said Baylor, right? There's another Baylor. There's two beds. That's okay. Been a long day. I'll make motion to approve of the partial bond release of number two of the Baylor plan performance bond in the amount of $21,250 per the town engineers bond release recommendation letter dated January 20th, 2026. Thank you. And do we have a second? Second. So any questions hearing? None. Uh all in favor of please respond by saying I.

I. Any opposed? Motion carries. I make a motion to approve Marshall bond release number two of the Ridge Pittsburgh LP performance bond in the amount of $43,780 for the town engineers bond release recommendation letter dated January 16th, 2026. Thank you. And do we have a second, please? Second. Thank you, Mr. Hickerson. Any questions on this? Okay, hearing none. All in favor, please write respond by saying I. I.

Any opposed? Motion carries. 70. Okay. Uh, and somebody would like to make a motion on the purchase of a John Deere backho. I'll make a motion to approve the purchase order of number 664 in the amount of $125,56.75 cents for the purchase of a John Deere 410 fee tier backhoe under co-stars contract number 44002107. Second. Thank you, Miss Al. Any questions about this purchase from council? Okay, hearing none. All in favor, please respond by saying I. I.

Any opposed? Okay. Motion carries. And now the purchase of a leaf truck. I will make the motion to approve purchase order number 665 in the amount of $297,143.37 for the purchase of a John's house for the purchase of an ODP freight liner dual steer leaf truck from SEI Stevenson Equipment Incorporated under Co-Star's contract number 4400 283. 339 second.

Thank you, Mr. Wall. Thank you, Mr. Churchetti. Any questions? Okay, hearing none. All in favor, please respond by saying, "I." Any opposed? Okay. Motion carries. Next, uh, our paving program. Would someone like to make a motion? Motion to approve authorizing the town manager to advertise for bids for the 2026 paving program and to authorize the spending of funds from the liquid fuels account to complete the paving program. Second. Thank you, Miss. Any questions from council? Okay, hearing none. Uh, all in favor, please respond by saying I. I.

Any opposed? Hearing none. Motion passes. Okay. Next on the agenda is a discussion and possible action regarding the 2026 town of McCandless summer recreation program. And I will hand it over to Mr. Wall.

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, in autonomous campus, we still have a joint recreation agreement between the North Alagy School District, autonomous, Franklin Park, Marshall, and Bradford Woods. Under that agreement, we had summer recreation for a variety of different agents in autonomic until CO hit. What we are trying to do is this year doing a pilot program to bring back a program for kids grades one through six. The premise is it's a one-week program. Grades one through six will gain a better understanding of what role and responsibilities that you have when you are a tiger. This is not your average summer recreation program. Key focus of the program is included in the in the acronym that you see up there. Tigers, the stripes, show kindness or st take responsibility or respect everyone. Uh I include others. Positively lead, E encourage peers. And S serve your community. I'm very pleased tonight to have with me two gentlemen that will be hopefully guiding this program. You might recognize either or both of them. Dave Gray is a celebrated Pied Piper of activities for students K through 12 throughout our region. He's a celebrated author and considered to be an expert in recreational sciences. Next to him is Bill Hal, who is a 21-year teacher at the North Alagenic School District. Gentlemen, will you

walk through? Do you need this? Do you need to walk through? Yeah. Yeah, we'll make it quick. Make it quick.

Um, good evening, council. Thank you for your time. Thank you for everyone for sticking around. My name is Coach Dave Gray. I have been a lifelong resident of McCandless Township since 1977. Uh when I first came to McKinley Township, I was in the foster care system until my aunt and uncle adopted me and I grew up on Bumble to Peebles and uh I had several opportunities to fall through the cracks and um you know take a path in my life but one thing that kept me um moving forward and on the right track were these programs that Joe was just talking about. So when I was at NA, I went to summer wreck and in programs of peoples and it meant the world to me to uh be associated with you know um you know adults that that played football or that coached or a teacher and I just thought that was the coolest thing. I've dedicated my life uh giving back to the kids in our in our district and um I've started up and created several successful camps in uh neighboring townships and I want to do the same here. So when it was presented to to us, I um you know I'm jumping into opportunities. So um let you talk about

you explain the program.

Sure. It's going to be a oneweek program in which we're going to do first grade through sixth grade. Um, we're going to split them up into multiple groups where we're going to have pretty much like what we would call little units or little sections where one would be on STEM, one would be on the arts, one would be on sports and then obviously those the things with um with Tigers Leading Tigers, it's the idea of having students of North Alagany typically um National Junior Honor Society kids are looking for hours um for their volunteer. So, we can use that for uh they can put on their resume. But not only that, it's the idea just to kind of promote the culture and the traditions of North Alageney, which I feel like we can definitely help instill upon the youth. Um, kids are always looking for things to do and sometimes we we kind of get put into one one uh one kind of hole whereas, okay, this is a sports camp, this is a this is a eco camp, this is an arts camp, where in this way they kind of get a snapshot of each um each individual program. And again, we're still in the developmental phases, but we were able to secure at least two other North Alagany teachers. And not to correct Joe, but this is my 23rd year in education. I've been coaching I've been coaching for 22 of those years, whether it's been wrestling, track, and field um and just had an opportunity um to just work with some of the best kids at North Alageney. And I think if we have that opportunity to allow them to be the mentors uh to the students that we we are currently raising now in this generation, I think it would be uh well I just I think it would be a great thing for the community.

Would you go through some of the people that are going to be involved in this?

Yes. So there's obviously it's me and Dave and then the idea is to have two other um we're going to have two other volunteers that are actually teachers at North Alageney. One is Molina Bowers. Um, she has an incredible ability to design lessons that can be differentiated through all levels of instructions from pretty much first grade to sixth grade, but also looking for that hands-on approach and be able to do things kind of with a with a smile on her face. And then another one is Victoria Widen. She's new to the district. She's a long-term sub in our building and she she's going to work handinhand with Molina. We're still looking for at least three more members to help to help build our team so that we can kind of have a diverse group of individuals that can help us promote this. We also have the endorsement of our science department with with Chris Omisitz who's another Mandalas um resident and he told me that he will help me make sure that we have the STEM program in place so that there's no overlap with the curriculum that we already have in place for the students that are at North Alageney because we don't want them to have to do multiple labs over and over again.

Mr. Gray, would you please explain how this is different from the recreational camps that you have? Yeah. Uh, so this camp era is isn't just sports and the different um stations that you talked about. We're going to instill character traits. We build these kids up. Like I've dedicated myself as as Bill's dedicated himself to building self-confidence and self-esteem. We equip these kids when they leave this camp. They feel empowered to go out and lead others. That's the whole idea of this camp is to build those leadership qualities going into the community. I don't care if they're in middle school, elementary school, and ever too young to be a leader. get out there and be proud of Tiger.

About the the administration of the program and what the costs are going to be and what those kids get. You got that Dave. Go ahead. Yeah. Um because of course that as far as the coaches go, also going to get volunteers from like the key club, so high school um students at NA. And that's the Tigers leading Tigers part where we get the high school students lead students and again it's such a but um so we have five days Monday through Friday it's going to be I believe uh July 6 through the 10th. Yep.

July 6th through the 10th that week. And it's going to run uh elementary school so first grade through sixth grade. set it up. That's all. Um, a three-hour camp.

So, the nice thing about this camp is it's going to give them a snapshot of the curriculum. We we've come up with an initial price of $200 per kid. It's also going to include the t-shirt. They're also going to get wristbands for every time that they meet one of their goals throughout the week. Um, and then we have obviously administrative uh costs. Dave's going to run it um basically do the registration through his website. We're asking that council approves um the the the ability for us to uh promote this on your website um so we can work work hand inand and just trying to develop a a much much more um the the the idea is a sense of community. I feel like sometimes throughout co we've lost a lot of that that personal connection the one-on-one ability to be able to communicate. We want kids to put their cell phones down for a couple hours. Obviously, kindergarten kids probably should have cell phones, but um the idea here is just to just to just be kids, like be kids and just enjoy the day and and with having different stations, it's going to allow kids to get out of that comfort zone, but also be able to kind of choose their own adventure like the books we used to read when we were kids. So, and you can see up on the monitors the scheduling. It's a fourb block schedule where kids have two scheduling blocks of recreational activity, one of arts or STEM or or um you know education and then one block is for whatever they want to do pretty much. So um does anybody else have any questions?

I have a one or two questions. Um, one the tiger subwing tigers it's great the the NA community is so strong around here but can will this serve children who are attending parochial schools or other schools is it is it mandatory that's a great question if the uh in the community yeah it doesn't matter what school they're in if they're in this you know if we serve them and and uh they're our constituents absolutely right we we are going to cut off the program at 100 we feel like just the the ability to be able kids to have that differentiated instruction throughout the day and keep them stimulated and keep them involved. I think if we did any more than 100 kids, it would be doing a disservice to not only us but but to the kids in general.

And it needs to be stated too that this is a pilot program. Yeah. We're trying to build this so next year we get other sites and maybe other municipalities involved. Yeah. And just to uh review and I I feel like I know the answer, but to share this, what cost to the town would this be? It's no cost. Thank you. And um there is insurance that is run through coach Dave Greg's business that holds the township harmless.

So insurance waiverss and all of our coaches cleansed um so everything will be covered. I wanted to say one thing about the sports part of it. You know, my goal is anymore it's not so much about the sports. It's getting kids active. They don't have to like a particular sport. We just want to get them moving because, you know, running is fun. Jumping is, you know, it's what you make of it. And that's what I'm an expert at, you know. So, we encourage every kid, I don't care if they've never picked up a ball in their life, come to our camp and be a part of this. So, another speaking of that, will you have opportunities for children who may be have ability challenges? Sure.

Yeah, absolutely. And we've discussed that in my school programs and camps and clinics. I I seek uh that demographic because that gets that serving them and vice versa. It's it's a beautiful dynamic. So, you know, we want to make it all inclusive. Thank you. as best that we can. May I ask if there's more than 100 people that sign up for this? How does that

So, so the so the game plan is since it's a pilot program to make a rating list and then we feel like if the if we deem that we can run another camp, I'm pretty sure that all the all the volunteer coaches and and the paid staff could possibly stick on for another another week if we if we see that there's a a need for that. But the goal is and you know and this is kind of Joe Joe's idea when we talked about this together was to make this thing bigger but we also don't want it to grow too fast. We also want to keep it authentic and the idea here is we want to put our own personal touches and I think by having teachers that are at North Alageney they understand what these kids are dealing with. It's a different demographic. We understand each school is a little bit different and we kind of want to just from that and not move forward too fast.

It is somewhat of an extension of what they've already learned in the classroom. Yeah. Do the high school volunteers have to go through the same process of clearances. So I think that's what we're going to we're actually going to have because they're going to be student volunteers. They're still going to have to get some of their clearances I believe. Yeah. Students that have because they're going to go through all students that are 18 and older have clearances. Yeah. So, if you're 17, you don't need clearance. Typically, not in those kind of programs. No. Well, in my programs, you know, if you're 15 or older, I want you to need clearances just to have those. So, I will require those because I do it outside of this function. And this is all I've left the administration of this program to to coach Gray.

No, I have over 20 years of camp experience. And you've heard about the camps of Franklin Park and that's me. and and pick, you know, picking our volunteers and picking some of our co-leaders. Obviously, we want to keep everybody's best interest in mind, but there's just certain kids you have in a class you just know that are meant to be leaders and and to understand what it's like to foster those those special relationships and that way that those kids feel connected at all levels. So, that's our overall goal. Thank you.

How do you plan to since this is a pilot program, quantify the success of the program with the League of You got the five is when the kids leave this and the parents send me saying this was the greatest capability we had states but I mean that sincerely the kids will be the greatest test of how this program goes and uh and if something's going to grow it's going to grow by word of mouth and uh I know that sounds simple but it's true I think with us being in the business as long as we have body language is the biggest tell you can tell when a kid's authentically excited about something or versus and they're just smiling just to smile. And I think that we we will this could be a big hit um for everybody in the community and and the goal is to bring it back to the way it used to be where this was kids did in the summer. They they weren't part of individualized, you know, sports camps, you know, throughout the entire summer. They were actually have an opportunity to be kids and and that's why we want to see this start at the earliest ages and then continue. And then some of these kids now that go to the camp, I mean, in a perfect world, they would come back and be some of our our own counselors and some of our co-leaders.

It's fostering the tradition. Yeah. Coach Craig, how many just for everybody's edification, how many kids do you have in your camp over at Franklin Park? Um,

so at the height of it, you know, 350 kids are going from 38 kids. So you talk about quantifying it. it grows and we'll see that growth and um hopefully that waiting list will be there and then that gives you real analytics but um you know my eco camp is it's already sold out for this summer and all five weeks. So um there's a there's a magic to it. I know what it is. He knows what it is and um you know we want to put the NA stamp on it. We would love to do it with Michael's Township being of that. Are you open to adding something like a survey for parents at the end? You know, we're putting our names on this, right? We We Sure. We could do that.

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, we Yeah, sure. We're confident. Yeah, I'm confident. Are there any other questions? Sorry, we might be a little bit more energetic, but it's fine. I told you my bedtime was at 9:00, so that's a list. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Do we have any further questions from council or anything you'd like to add, Mr. Wall?

No, I it this program speaks for itself. There's no monetary. I mean, it's it's budget neutral. We're not spending any of the town's money. Basically, what we're doing is to get your buy in so we can utilize the website and advertise this to the kids. We've spoken with the principal at Ingamar Elementary School. We've spoken with central administration. U everybody's excited to see where this is going to go and I am too because when I was in this program many years ago, it was sad to see it go, but it went because, you know, there are people that just lost the mojo. They lost the care of it. Well, hopefully it bring it back. So,

and I I do I know camps fill up quickly and and it's imperative for us to either approve this or not here tonight because we want to get word out because parents need to make plans yesterday for summer. I appreciate that. So, uh there any further questions? I just want to make sure that we do have something very specific that keeps the town from being impacted from any liability issues that would come out from from anything uh you know accidents anything that would could happen. Do we have that? That's I believe with your co your corporation holds that library building insurance and then we'll be in

binder that I carry you. take a look at her. Thank you. Well, I think it's important that we have that on file anyway. Yes. Yeah. Okay. But to that point, you know, we we have somebody that's coming in and running a program. The only thing we're really asking you for is advertising and getting behind it. Yes. It's a program under the opices of the town of Macanas. That's why I want to be very careful. Sure. I understand. Are there any further questions? Hearing none. Do we have a motion? I would be very very proud to make this motion to approve the authorization of Mana Canless to advertise for a summer recreation program.

I second it. Thank you. Motion in a second. Um any further questions? Okay. Hearing none. All in favor, please respond with an I. I. Any opposed? Okay. Hearing none, you have unanimous unanimous. Thank you.

Okay. Uh moving on to our um the next agenda item which is discussion concerning immigration control enforcement in the town of Macanas. Uh this is in regard to resolution 2026-03. Um most of you have been given the you've all been given the opportunity to review the draft resolution. Um, and at this time, we'd like for council to be able to state their opinions. Um, I personally want to thank everybody who's here, who's still here this evening. I think our council would echo this sentiment that we really love hearing from you and and seeing everybody here is is just it excites me as a council person to see this motivation and this interest in our community. I really appreciate it. We've also received many emails. I know I personally have read every single one of them and keeping your thoughts and consideration. So, I am listening. But I will leave this now open for council um if you would anybody would like to start on what their opinion is or or if there's any changes that need to be made or if if they're for against.

I would like to submit for the record, please, Madame President, copies of the emails that I printed prior to having to leave for this meeting. Um any support on in support. Did they come to your town address? Yes. So, they should be available for everybody anyway. Okay.

Um I have some concerns. I I have concerns about the wording of the resolution. Uh I have wording as it pertains to our oath of office. Um, the constitution laws of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania require a warrant for a person's arrest, which I agree to, but who is to determine what a neutral and detached judge and what that meaning is? I really have a problem with that because that doesn't lay it out in in enough detail for me to feel comfortable voting for that. The next thing I'll tell you is that in the town of McCandless, we took an oath to obey the laws and the constitution of not only the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, but the United States. And we do have those those laws are I mean the immigration and naturalization processes are all parts of the law of the United States. I would be okay to sit with members of this council and go through and draft a slightly different set of parameters that would include you know if we don't have an agreement right now with ICE and if you I'd feel comfortable doing things as we're doing them right now if you wanted to fashion a resolution where I mean you we don't need to have an agreement with ICE but the bottom line here is that I don't feel comfortable where this is

and I think there needs to be some finetuning on the language Mr. listener and I think that we need to look at this resolution separately from that of the other municipalities that have come up with such legislation. We are different than Scott Township. We are different from from Forest Hills. We are different from these other municipalities. I believe there is a way to meet happy ground where everybody can be happy with this and I'm willing to sit down with other members of council in a subcommittee meeting to come up with the right the right wording that's going to make everybody feel comfortable. That's the only way to do this is have us communicate, talk together, reason together.

Please no comments. Um, we we you will have another opportunity to make comment when we're finished here. So,

well, there's a lot of ways to do this when we just started down that road, but we have to be able to talk. Not everybody in this room is wrong. Whether they take one side or the other, everybody's got a point of view. Okay. Tonight, we saw examples of people that were very patient with points of view, and we saw examples of people that weren't. I'm Joe Wall. I represent W five. I love my town. I love the safety that our chief provides, that our police provide. But there's got to be a better way than the words that are on this page. We've got to figure out the correct wording. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Vage. I have one I would like to echo Joe's comments that sort of a question posed to our solicitor. What is the legal meaning of neutral and compassion?

Yeah. So it's it's rooted in the fourth amendment. U this is an independent uh magistrate somebody I think from out there um in in a federal judicial capacity um that is not part of law enforcement. They're independent and they review it. It's actually a a step in the process that makes sure that they're on rubber stamps for warrants, etc. So, um it has a legal uh meaning and I think that it's appropriate for the ordinance. I know what it means as a lawyer and any any lawyer or judge reading such a document would understand that. Um and and now hopefully you all understand it because I've told you what it means.

Thank you very much. You're welcome. Um the the other thing that I want to talk about then uh is sort of frames the context o of this um this resolution and um for me I spoke with uh the chief um late in January and it was about a variety of matters policing the campus in general but but we also talked about ICE um and and that is when I learned that this sort of policy is really just codifying the current um and I don't want to put words in your mouth so feel free to chime in at any point but is caught modifying the current McCless police procedure as far as that goes. Um, and so, you know, I think that's that's important when we're discussing this is we're there's no changes that happen uh to how the the police are currently functioning. Um, but I still think it's important because it it kind of gives them legal backing. You know, it says that we have this is as council have said, this is how we're going to approach this. Um and and as far as um limitations specifically and transparency as well because I know that was addressed by public comment. Uh I received the copy of this resolution. It was 10:17 on Sunday um previous Sunday and and then on Monday at 10:07 a.m. is when I emailed the chief asking, "Do you think that this proves a burden um a hurdle for law enforcement?" And um so two business hours and uh and he responded, "No." um that that it would not. And so I think that um you know a lot of comments about handcuffing our police, pun not intended, um that that has been considered and been discussed. There there is there is consideration too. We did receive $200,000 for body

cams. We did receive. Please, Rita, can I make a point here? Okay. Please, let's Yeah, we'll have opportunities for public comment.

We have received $200,000 for body cams. 18,000 communities receive that kind of money. Okay. as we have seen, and I'm not saying that this is right or wrong, but we have seen this administration with sanctuary cities, look, I'm not going to argue the fact with you, though. I'm just giving you the fact that sanctuary cities are identified by this administration and in a pretty bad way. So as a leader of this community, one of seven, I have to be very cognizant of the fact of our actions have repercussions. This is one of them. Okay. I certainly don't. Look, if we can come up with the wording and split down the line, okay, I feel pretty confident that we can do something for everybody in this room, but it's going to require resonate you to assign a subcommittee and go through the wording whenever the next meeting.

We we need to hear from some more council people. Um, Mr. Hickerson, I I had this saying, you know, basically what Nathan has said, you know, you know, I've I've known before that McCandless has basically had this policy that it seems like the what Nathan has said, you know, codifying it and as long as it doesn't obstruct I mean I Nathan forward me the email. I mean, it seems like it doesn't obstruct any police operations and we don't want any obstruction of police operations. I think it was John that sent it to council.

Yeah. Um, thanks for that clarifi clarification there. Um,

but maybe uh if at this time if if if Chief Hawk, if you wouldn't mind addressing a couple of questions. Uh, I I'll definitely want all of council. Um, but I think I think the community and council may want to hear from you um how this might impact policing. You know, I think everyone in this room agrees that we have one of the finest police forces available in the state of PA or even or wider range. Um, that is a guaranteed fact and I know the amount of training. I know the qualifications that's necessary to be a mechanist police officer. And so knowing that as a council person, I really want to respect what what they need to do their job as well and would love to hear from you more.

Well, we obviously be serving the bill. So whatever this council decides, that's what we'll do. Uh I have to say that The dates it has been rare where we've had to maybe one time we had an officer citizens spoke to earlier where our officers may or may not be in this room state on the permanence. So my point is by and large from what I can see from their language I don't believe it's going to change how we have already been operating which is public safety our job is to enforce state lawless ordinances u we don't have jurisdiction whenever it comes to federal immigration enforcement so the other side of that is if they call I think it's a case by case basis that we have to review because we have the community safety or what we are charged with you know upholding and so if it means the community's safety might be a concern we want to be there to make sure everybody's safe but what we're not doing is we're not involved in these operations that uh that ICE may or may undertake and from what I can tell there might have been one near the beginning of 2025 that we were not even made aware of. They were in the community and we found on on social media.

Uh there's the one I just spoke of where we took a backseat because it's not our job. Uh so again I think why I'm giving you these instances is just to kind of um demonstrate that the language you have here I don't believe will greatly affect what it is we are already doing or not doing you know so that's my opinion behalf council and executive session wherever appropriate solicitor whoever it makes sense discuss because I don't want trip wire either, you know, for us. I don't want to, you know, um handcuff us unnecessarily either. Uh because like I said, our goal is to keep this town, this community safe. Um whatever that looks like. So,

and I think, you know, and I think most of council would probably agree, when it's a situation of a criminal, we're we're not even having this discussion anymore. You're you're taking action as public safety to take that criminal off the streets of Mckillas. And by and large for decades, if we encounter somebody who's a criminal, whether they're undocumented or full-fledged United States citizen, we have a job to do as far as taking them into custody and processing, right? Um what that looked like, still probably does. If you happen to during the course of your investigation determine that they are undocumented or they might happen to be here, you know, um the last time I handle one was, forgive me, it's been a while, but you would call the southside and speak with me was the Pittsburgh office and they would research the individual and let you know whether or not they had to take them because of some outstanding matters. But um you know uh the ICE operations that are out there now are are different and um but our job hasn't changed. It remains the same keeping citizens and anybody who traverses same. So whatever that looks like in the council that's how that's what it'll be.

Thank you Jetty.

I would genuinely like to thank the public for coming out tonight in a large score and telling us your thoughts. This is a council that deeply values the input of our residents and our public and we take it very seriously. Almost this entire notepad here is filled of notes that all of you in this audience said tonight and I will I will take this home and I will review all of these notes. We are serious about what we do. We are serious about this town and keeping everybody safe and responding to the needs and the concerns of our citizens. I think emotions are hot over all of this. I am glad that we are not casting a vote on this tonight. I think there are other towns that would not do would not adhere to the due process and try to ram something like this through, but we value public input. We are going to discuss this further and we're going to come to some consensus, whatever that may be. And I look forward I look forward to that. And if you have anything else to say, I please urge you to email us to come to the next meeting and to let your voice be heard.

And your opinions make the difference in this town. It's not my town. It's not Nick's town. It's not Doug's town. It's not Trish's town. It's our town. Amen. It's our town. Thank you. Thank you for being here. Miss Al,

I reiterate what what Mr. Georgetti said. Um, I was heartened to see the messaging that was coming through. Uh, someone actually asked me specifically how I was going to vote on the matter and I advised them that we expected a large gathering here tonight and that I would listen very carefully and you may have noticed I also am a notetaker. Um, I I heard some very good points. I also heard some very um troubling points that concern me about how people might misunderstand situations. And I'm glad to hear everyone up here as well as the chief talk about the difference between people who are criminals who are encraged in criminal behavior um versus people who are not. And I think that we are all in agreement that you know we love our town. Part of the appeal here is safety. You know that your children can play outside. They can wait at the bus stop. We don't have concerns. You know, if if you leave your front door unlocked, you're not worried that when you come home, your belongings are gone. That's the kind of community we want. But part of that safety also must be making sure that we take care of everyone that's in our borders.

Thank you, Mr. Yeah, we had a lot of healthy conflict here tonight. Uh we had one unruly night, but we took care of that. Thank you. Appreciate that. But um there are a lot of compelling arguments and I can sympathize with a lot of the emotions

with all the speakers here and u and you know they're they're really uh moving the anecdotal type of comments. Um Before this this week, I had not heard one constituent email me, call me, text me that this was a problem within the town. Uh, I know our last meeting we talked about this. We knew this was kind of coming on the horizon and um you know the question comes up is we're already functioning our law enforcement which is is most important to me uh public safety and law enforcement already functioning um in a manner that would you know this uh statement would come out um that for And the question I have is do we need to codify this um or or you know why why now why why why is it such an urgency to to take this on? Um so um you know again this is this is the way we already act. Um when when I talk about cooperation and collaboration with the federal government, you know, we sent Chief Hawk to FBI training and Quantico. I'm very proud of that. Um you know, that's something that, you know, I think public safety needs to go from local to county to state, state police all the way to the federal government. And when we start saying we're not going to cooperate, that's uh man that I mean that's a hard one for me. And uh

that's where I that's where I that's where I'm at. Thank you. Um, I guess I had it came up and and you know just because whenever I took an oath to serve this town um it was really important to me and to follow the constitution state and federal law and I have a question for you um Mr. Corbal. Y

is the you know any sort of like it's been brought up by Mr. Wall and it's been brought up a couple of times through our speakers here this evening. Um I I I did not see that there'd be any op, you know, a chance of uh gray area where I was not following these laws, but would there be? Not not that I see in the document as it is prepared. Thank you.

And um I guess I have you know the why now question. Um, I think two weeks ago, uh, people at Oakmont Burough Council didn't think they needed this. Um, it's what what I'd need to remind people, and I think what we heard tonight were a lot of people's positions on immigration enforcement across the board. Uh, what I want to remind people is we don't have jurisdiction over ICE. We can't stop ICE from being in our community. That is impossible. It's not going to happen. I'm sorry. It's not going to happen. Whether you like it or not. They if they want to be here, they will be here. U so we need to make that clear that this is not a resolution saying ICE can't come to Macanas. Um but it's, you know, the comments today have given me a lot of thoughts. Um uh but I do think the time for this is now. Um I I in my opinion I want to see something. Um you know I I think you know as parents many of us up here parents many of you out here are parents. We don't wait for our children to screw up. They'd kind of do that on their own, right? But we give them the expectation of how we want them to act. We want them to act and do the right thing. They know that expectation ahead of time. And I think that's what this is is we are saying the expectation is that we are not going to enter into that agreement. The expectation is that federal immigration enforcement will do this job that our council our local officers will not be doing this job will not do the job of of ICE. So that's where I look at

it kind of as we're saying this out loud and I I would hope that it would even make our officers jobs easier because it's clear we're given clarity to what they what the given. any further?

Yeah, I'll still ask for a subcommittee to go over the wording because I'm not I'm not comfortable with the wording as it is. I'm willing to sit down and come up with wording that's acceptable to everybody. The wording as it is, I believe, Mr. Horble, that it does put our lives at at risk. And you know, you can say what you want. I mean, I I want to be a seven nothing board in this, but guess what? The wording doesn't match what we're doing. And I don't want to have somebody down the line question my oath of office because we screwed up in the wording of a proclamation. It's where I'm at.

Would you be able to um you know, highlight that? I don't know that we need a subcommittee for this. Rewrite it if you'd like. Well, no, I don't have to rewrite the But like what when you say wording like is there a specific Yeah, I'll go through it and I'll send it to you because the way it sits right now, it has us not adhering to the laws of Pennsylvania. It had

Okay, could you please? Yeah, I was going to ask Mr. Wal if he could point out one example of that. have a copy for Thank you. Whereas the constitution and the laws of the commonwealth of Pennsylvania require that a warrant I pointed that out that a judge whether it's a magistrate or a judge who is to that needs to be quantified more for me because if you have the ability to issue a warrant whether you're a judge whether you're a magistrate whether you're Supreme court justice. You know, who's to say what what in in the way that this is written, who's to say and what happens if the person that's reading this doesn't agree with it or doesn't agree with the judge? There's too much wiggle room. If we're going to if if we're going to batten down hatches on this stuff, do it the whole way. So, I'll be glad to sit down with anybody that wants to sit on. And you know what? I would like a second legal opinion on whether this violates our oath of office because I still believe that it does. We took an oath to adhere to the laws of Pennsylvania and to the to the Constitution and to the the laws of the United States. Immigration policy is a law of the United States. So I do believe that it puts us at risk.

But what we've established is ICE can operate here in town. We are not preventing the operation of these executed warrants whatever of criminals etc. We are not. That leads me to the other wording. Okay. The other wording where you have a magistrate. Okay. You have a judge. If somebody, the way it's worded right now, if somebody does not agree with that judge, they can say that's it. I I'm I'm not gonna adhere to the warrant. I I think neutral and detached is the legal parlance. That's correct. Is that right? Yes. I still think we can get tighter.

And and I really think that as elected officials, we can't go on our opinions or feelings about something that's been vetted by legal personnel. That

for a second. But I'm what I'm asking what No, but what I'm just asking, sir, is that you provide something more concrete than I I I just don't feel good about this. You know, we're all sitting here trying very respectfully to listen to the concerns of the town to to respectfully listen to each other, but I think that we need to be above feelings and opinions. We need to deal in in in what is real, what is fact, what is law. That's why I asked for a second opinion. If if Okay. If if you have a doctor that gives you an opinion that tonsillitis and you have a pain in your back, you're going to ask for a different You're going to ask

Yeah, but you don't ask the valet who parked your car. I mean, that's very much.

Okay, let's let's Mr. Well, we'll move on. Mr. So I I can tell you that there has already been a second opinion. There's been a third opinion, a fourth, a tenth opinion. This document with this language has been reviewed by many attorneys in Alagany County. And this language has been vetted and clear, not by just me, but by many, many other attorneys, ones that I respect and that I've would I agree with. obviously, but you know, this is not something where those words that are have no meaning or wiggle room. There is a legal meaning assigned to those words. That's what they mean. Um, and and just like any other warrant, if you're picked up on a warrant, you have a lawyer that argues why the law the warrant was no good. And that's what will happen in this scenario. Um, so I I I don't believe there's any second opinion that needs to be obtained by town council that it exists because this document exists and has been put through the ringer uh and communities around alligating gifts. So that's all I want to add.

Thank you. Any further questions from Mr. Corbal um any further comments from councel at this time? I have one one for two. Okay. Uh Mr. Schwen, you would probably know better than most about federal funding. It's something a lot of people brought up. Um in in your expert opinion, how would withholding of funds based on this resolution, what would that look like? How would it affect us? You can map out a couple possibilities.

Uh I I don't know that I have an answer to that that's hard and fast. We looked through the grant documentation. It did not find anything that directly ties anything like this to that. I mean, we're kind of in unchartered territory with some of this too, though. And as administrations change and maybe certain administrations uh, you know, treat things differently, I can't guarantee that we wouldn't be looked at unfavorably, but I also can't guarantee that we would be. There's there's no solid answer on that. We've discussed that with uh the chief and discussed it with our our legal team too to see if they've seen any evidence of that anywhere else.

Um I want to echo um the council president's comment about you know all all patterns start with one being preventative is the best thing I think we can do. Um, and uh, I think the the last thing, and this was touched on briefly as far as, you know, we listen to all of the training that the MCAS police go through and and those skills are fools. And so tools can be used for good and for ill. And I I think this goes some level to providing clarity that we don't want those tools used for ill. you know, the way that currently um ICE is hired is insufficient. The the checks that are given and the training that they are supplied with compared to Macless police and so using our better tools seems like a poor system.

I my final comment that resolution 20263 it goes beyond reaffirming shared values. It establishes a formal policy of non-ooperation with federal immigration authorities. Prohibits future agreements that allow collaboration. That's that's a that's a problem for me. Even in circumstances where cooperation may improve public safety. Thank you. Like I said, looking at the wording, we can come up with mutual mutual discussion.

If no further questions, uh we look forward to uh voting on this at our February 23rd meeting. Um, now I would like to open up the floor to public non-aggenda comments Martin and I just want to thank you. It's so wonderful to hear your opinions even when I don't disagree with them. I am so grateful to hear what you think. It doesn't always happen here. Thank you.

Thank you for your comments. Okay, there's nothing further. Uh, council will now go into executive session to discuss the legal matters. And do we have a motion to adjurnn? So move. Thank you, Mr. Wall. A second. Second, all in favor of adjournment. I Any against?