Parks and Recreation Commission - Regular Meeting

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Roll call. John Jones here. Dennis K here. Sharon here. Kate here. Bridget here. Steve here. Robert here. Kathy here. Rob here. All here. Uh I need a motion to approve the agenda. I'll make a motion to approve the agenda. I need a second. I'll second it. All in favor? I motion to approve the minutes. Is that 8? 8. Yeah. And then we need approval of the minutes. Nine. Nine. Approval of the minutes.

Motion to approve the minutes for March 31st, 2026 of the regular schedule meeting. I need a second. All in favor? I 90 presentation. Discs golf. You ready? Sure. It's you. You're number six. If anyone would like, I have a few copies of the presentation he provided up here next to the agendas. Yeah. No. And for the commission meetings, we don't do presentations like that anyway. We just don't have the staff downstairs for it. But that's why we I printed them all off and you guys can follow along with presentation. He gave Oh, you so they all have a copy of it. All right.

So, hello. Uh, my name is Corey Kramer. grew up in Garden City and I love something called disc golf. It's played just like regular golf but with frisbes so less space um and a little more accessible to everybody. They're very cheap, pretty easy to throw. Uh page one, uh disc golf fun facts. So there are over 17,000 disc golf courses worldwide. Uh 89% of them are free. Last year there was 21.2 million rounds played. uh of disc golf and uh that is up from I believe 20 thou or 20 million from 2024. So it is growing. Uh it serves two times the amount of people per hour than pickle ball and that is another one of those very uh popular sports right now. And then a couple little fun facts underneath that. There are a little over 11,000 disc golf courses in the United States. That is more than Dunkin' Donuts. That is more than Taco Bell. and that is more than Domino's pizza. Uh filling in a gap. So there is a large space of non-existent disc golf courses near Garden City and you can look at the map. Uh that map is through through UDISK which is an app that uh most disc golfers use. Uh we can be that solution. Closest courses from here are 20 minutes away. There's one small one in Canton, a small one in Taylor, and then a large one in Northville. But like I said, that is still 20 minutes away. That's a big commute for most people. Uh we can provide a course for residents that play the sport. Uh a safe and open place for new players to learn at. And then this provides a course for people to travel to. Uh people in neighboring cities. I've already spoke with numerous people that would love to come to our city. Uh people come in from other states. I used to travel a lot for work. So that is the

first thing when I was told, "Hey, you're going to Kansas." I would open up the app and I would find the city that I was going to and I'd be like, "Hey, there's a disc golf course right by the job that I'm supposed to go to." So, that's that's one cool thing. And then also, uh, there's the disc golf pro tour comes to Kensington Metrop Park every year for a large professional tournament. Um, they this year is the professional worlds. So, there will be upwards of like 20,000 people in Kensington's Park um, specifically for this, which is amazing. And uh that means there is potential for thousands of players discovering this course, especially if it's done right. Corey, should we wait to ask questions or do you want to stick? No, if you want to go through.

Yeah. Yeah. Do you have any questions right now? I do. Oh, yeah.

So, um, thank you for the map. Are there any communities within that area that are currently contemplating adding a disc golf course? Uh yes, but I would consider contemplating just me talking with their parks and wreck as well. And uh it's probably just as far as this. It's not really a a set in stone thing, but um Westland, the JC Park that is right next to Mike Madano Ice Arena. There's u basically it's just a walking path with some wooded areas. Um, I know I've spoken to their parks and recck director and their mayor, but Westland's uh process is a little weird. Uh, it's not a commission board like this where you guys can vote on it. It's more or less just if the mayor decides that it's something that he wants, then he allows the parks and wreck to kind of go with it

because it is in their 5-year plan. They have it budgeted for $30,000 to Okay. Yeah, that's that's news to me cuz I talked to them not that long ago. They got into their 5year plan. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. So, they got 30,000 budget $30,000 allocated for that project. Okay. As of as of a couple weeks ago when I spoke with parks and wreck, it was still not really set in stone that they were doing. I don't know how far along they are. I just had when I was looking through this, I was like, "Oh, where else? Who else has it?" Okay. It just struck me because of the a that it was there and then b the cost. Yeah. Yeah. So that in all fairness, theirs is an 18 um Yes. target course.

Yeah. And also um they have to go through their uh I don't know if it's DPW, but they have to go through theirs um to contract out the the cement for the teapads. And I know that they have kind of a premium for their cost of teapads as opposed to I found a couple quotes that um are local businesses around here um that could probably do it for a lot cheaper than that if we go with cement uh for that option. Um another one would be Leavonia has bought nine baskets. They had a course um in a neighborhood like just off of Five Mile. It had it. I don't know how, but the park that they put it in, the zoning was also uh like creeping into people's yards. Even though they had a fence, their property line was like a lot farther into the park than anyone knew. So, they had to pull that. So, they do technically have baskets, but as of right now, they don't have a plan on um inserting them anywhere else. But, I have spoken with their parks and wreck and that's just not on the agenda right now. So,

would they be willing to sell their stuff? Potentially. I can I can reach out. I don't know how much they would sell it for, but um I'm just thinking if they're if you're pretty much saying it's a dead issue right now for them, doesn't mean that it's not going to resurface down the road, but I'm thinking if they're not going to do anything with it,

I'm not I'm I'm unsure about them. Um, I know last time I spoke with their parks and wreck, it was just that they were in the process of renovating like three or four uh pavilions. So, they said like it's not on our schedule right now to do a disc golf course, but obviously we have the material like waiting. So, there is potential there, but I would like to see it in the park that I grew up in and the area of the park that I know of is would be phenomenal for this. Can I also interrupt? Yeah, since we're on that subject of uh building, have you considered that old Popcorn Valley golf course area that's off of Marman and War?

I don't know. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I don't know who owns it. Um I know that they built the fire department in front of it. I just don't know what the property behind it is. Um I I grew up Yeah. Yeah, I have a couple buddies that grew up with their backyard like going into the area and as of right now I think it's just kind of overgrown grass. It's either owned by Westland or Wayne County itself, right? Yeah. Wayne County is in charge of cutting it, but

yeah, the the only thing I can think of is I don't know if they I don't know who owns Well, I I know it's Westland owns the fire department. I don't know how that parking lot would be accessible to behind like the neighborhood. So, that is potentially another area that we could find. Seems like we could fit 18. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Cuz it was nine holes of challenging, too. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I just Yeah, I'd have to look into how I would go about reaching out to whoever owns that property. So, and it does look like they have lots of parking where that fire station is. Yeah, but that they probably wouldn't allow people to come in, right?

Right. Yeah. That's what I'm concerned is like I don't know if that that would be considering public like parking for that. So as you said, kind of focusing on here that could be a backup plan. Yeah. Oh, definitely. Yeah. Always looking for backup plans.

Uh what makes a disc golf course? So, regulation baskets, um, te t teeing areas, and tea signs indicating course information. Now, technically, do you need all three of those to build out a disc golf course? No. I've been to a lot of places where they just have the baskets and they might have um a small marker in the ground uh indicating where to throw from, but you use the app that I was talking about and it'll tell you where you're supposed to throw from. But to have something that is considered beautiful and a little more professional, having all three of these is always the best. I have collected five different quotes, uh, all ranging from about 3,800 to 4,200 for nine baskets. That looks like standard. That is with shipping and also it is tax exempt because I know if we are purchasing it, it is government money. Um, these baskets have a sleeve that is cemented into the ground. The basket pole is slid into the sleeve and locked, allowing easy removal for occasions like park events and uh things that are taking up the same space. The sleeve can be sunken into the ground with something like the NDS valve box. Uh this is standard for I don't actually know what those are regularly for. It might be for like some kind of sprinkler system or things like that. But um I've seen those numerous times like the the pictures the a lot of these pictures are ones that I've taken over the course of years uh exploring other locations and finding things. I believe that is in uh Charleston, North Carolina or Charleston, South Carolina, one of the Carolinas. Um so that creates an area to where you can cut over it without hitting the metal pole because it would be sunken in even more. and also uh less tripping hazards.

So Corey, question. So you're getting your um you know, you're saying what makes a disc golf course? This is from the um professional disc golf uh association. That's where you're getting your information from. Okay. And then secondly, the costs that are shown here, those are just for the targets for the baskets and and that. So there's additional potential cost um to install pads and things like that. So I don't we so we shouldn't think of that as our cost. Correct. No, the the 38 to to 42 is a quote on nine baskets. U that's just for the targets. The targets.

But the reason that I brought up what makes a disc golf course is we don't technically need the other things. As long as we have the baskets, we can make a course that people can play using the application as a like uh because it has a GPS on there. it will tell you where to throw from. Whether that is a cement tea pad, that is just a marker in the ground telling you that this is like your your driving position or if you have nothing and kind of um one sign that tells you, hey, scan this code um download this app and then you can play from here. The app is free uh and it kind of shows all courses around including this one if it gets installed and that would be something that would be um put into the app through me or if we need to have some kind of like council for that. So

and is there a cost for the use of the app? No. N that Yep. The app is free and the expectation is that users would download an app and that is probably the easiest way. Um because it also is a scorecard. You can keep your scores on there. Um you can look at you if if you have friends that play, you can download it and add them as friends on there, see their scores. Um, it also provides a location for like tournaments and leagues, things like that. So, you can find out information for the disc golf course. Thank you. But that doesn't mean down the road that we can't start out with just a bucket and then add a pad down the road.

Yeah. Yeah. And we'll we'll definitely get into that for this. Yeah. So, the teeing areas um these are just a lot of the standard ones. So natural teapads is kind of just the uh more professional way of saying we're throwing off the grass. Uh this would be uh the cheapest and can be a short-term solution uh before installing full-on teapads. This I would suggest having a T- sign just so people can walk up and see where it is. And then the T sign just tells you the the feet to the obstacle and then also the par. With normal golf um concrete teapads, it was 4x10. I've actually uh looked more into it. It would be closer to 4 by like 7 4 by 7 1/2 which is roughly 36 uh square feet. And then in the top corner you can look that it's uh a 4x9 pad is 36 feet. Sorry, I said seven and a half. I think I actually shrunk it down to seven and a half um recently, but that would be $432 per pad. That is something that we could definitely fund raise. Um I am willing to go to companies that are in the city or in neighboring cities that would like to donate to uh sponsor a whole. I think that would be an easy way to get the the money to provide for something like concrete teapads. Uh another thing is turf. Uh there are benefits to this. It simulates grass without the wear and tear because I know on actual grass, if you've played anything, if you've ran around in your own backyard, you probably have ruts in the grass um just from constant use. So turf can fix that. Um, it is fairly around the same price as concrete, but it is a little more uh maintenance to keep up because it is a synthetic turf, kind of encompassed around an area like a a wooden frame or

something like that. So, it does kind of fall apart a little quicker than concrete. So, you're thinking concrete's the best in the long run. Concrete's the most common and I've only I say common. We're saying cost effective now. Cost Yes. Yes. I think I think that's why it's the most common. Can I can I ask your pricing here for $12 per square foot? Yes. Is that including the labor?

Uh, no. That is the average price of the square footage of concrete. Um, that is through a couple local and also um just Google the average price. Um I believe that would be something that um we can get volunteers also to do the labor for. I am willing to do all of this if if it means that this course is going to be uh a little faster installed. I've got you. But question, why don't why don't when you go look for a sponsor, why don't you figure out what it costs to have whatever type of pad we're going to put in,

whatever the tea box is, whatever the basket is, whatever everything is. Why don't you go see if somebody's willing to put out what it if you thought it was Well, just for conversations. Yeah. If it's two grand, then go talk to uh Joe's Party Store and say, "Hey, we'll put your party store sign up and it's two grand." Yeah. Now, you're not doing anything. The hole's done for you because Joe just put his two grand out there to get his name and pay for everything. But that is still something that I would have to like, right? That'd be something you'd have to do. That wouldn't be something the city would do. That would be Yeah. Yep. So, if anything, if if we do put in the baskets and maybe a sign, then that would be something that I would go.

Have you calculated what it would cost if somebody were to sponsor a hole? Um, concrete, labor, everything. What do you say? Concrete. What is it? 432 is what the cost of 432 is the cost of the concrete, not installed. That's the concrete cost. That's normally double, I believe. So yeah, you're you're going to be about $1,000 for a pad. Chevrolet pretty much on that. Yeah. Yeah. See, that's what I'm thinking. If he goes to I I use Joe's party store. Probably a bad one, but there's probably stores out there. Or maybe the guy on the I wouldn't go to tea on the green.

Yeah. But I see where you're at. Yes. If you could come to us with more of a uh proposition of many donors behind you. It's an easy yes or no, right? Yeah. Other than the city spending money on, but um yeah, other than that, it sounds like you're going in stages or steps of getting approval and then adding to it. So, it would be 18 T concrete pads, right?

Yeah. The plan would be nine nine baskets, but 18 locations. That way, you can play twice a round and still finish out the 18 holes. Um that would be two separate positions from each um basket that would be slightly different giving you a different like obstacle and fairway to kind of play through. Now the one they have in in Northville Park. Yeah. Do they have concrete pads or they just have it off the ground? So yeah, they have concrete pads. They have 18 holes and um Yeah, they got a large space.

They have two concrete teapads per 18. So they actually have 36 concrete teads. the the thing with that one, it was installed in the year 2000 for the world championship. So, uh the the Wayne the Wayne County Parks and Wreck really spent a lot of a lot of money on that and it's still being upgraded uh to this day with a lot of uh volunteers and things like that. So, uh the next the next picture is uh teeing area options and what they would look like. Uh, so you have your grass, which just kind of looks standard. Uh, turf teapads look really good, but like I said, they usually have something like a wooden frame, so it's a lot easier for them to kind of wear out and fall apart. Uh, you have your concrete teapads. The standard would be a rectangle, but I have been to locations that have a circle. It's kind of just um preference on how they want to lay the concrete. Uh, pavers are another one. Once again, hard to maintain uh with our weather especially, they can fall apart, things like that. And then rubber teapads. I've seen that before. They are not I I would I would strongly suggest not going with rubber teapads. Uh they are usually just staked into the ground, so it's easy for them to get pulled up and kind of fall apart. And also the grip uh especially in the the worst half of our weather is very slippery because it's just rubber. Um another option that you guys have suggested last month was uh the pour in place and that could be a very unique and quality option for teads. It would look really cool. I've already uh kind of went over there and uh stood on it. It does have a lot of grip and that's kind of what you want for your feet um when throwing. And then also it does have a lot of cushion kind of like simulating normal grass or turf. I don't know the price on that. Um that would be

something that I would have to work with Zach to look into, but that would be very unique and that might be something that would get even more people to come to the park to uh access these teapads in comparison to any other course. I wonder how the pour in place would stand up against concrete. Yeah, I that's it. It It looks cool. It feels really cool when you're throwing off of it because it does have a kind of squish to it. Um I just don't know how right

how to go about finding out more information on that. Uh the T- signs, these would be like 7 in by 10 in metal signs. Uh we I know I know we probably have a preference on how we um put signage into the park. You want it to be cohesive with the rest of the park and look nice, but there are a couple options. Um like the one on the left has kind of just a street sign style post to it. That might be the easiest to do, but I know that we have like the white um post signs just like the center where the Garden City like the large Garden City Park one is. We could probably use one of those and just put the sign on top. Um, and then another option that I've seen, actually this is a this is a picture from Toledo, is they took plaques and they put it into the concrete so that you have all of the information that you need kind of inlaid into the cement and uh it's less prone to damage and um defacing because it's actually in the concrete. One very important thing is safety. Uh so all holes aim away from hight traffic areas, walking paths, and common pedestrian areas. Uh from last month, I actually went there and uh kind of moved around some of the the holes so that you're not throwing over any of the the walking paths. and also moved some that were kind of running parallel with the path to angle towards the the trees a little more. Um, signage can be added near the path to indicate watch for flying discs. I've seen this in many places. Uh, all teapads are positioned to never cross walking paths. Uh, there are no blind spots. So, one good thing about this corner of the park is that uh

it's all canopy trees, so it's large maples, things like that. There are no bushy areas to where you can throw and not know if someone is on the other side of wherever you're aiming at. Um, some of the other courses like the one in Canton, it's very bushy and there's a walking path that actually goes directly in between some of the holes. So, if you throw, you don't really know if someone's walking there with their dog or something like that.

So, Corey, so in the video, I don't know if everyone's had a chance to watch that or not. I took a look at that um today and actually had a few concerns with it to be honest with you. Uh in the video it it appeared and you're telling me now that it's not but it appeared that there were they were going over the paths. So, it's not going over the walking path. It's going over the service drive. And I to my knowledge, the other parks and recctors approved that because that is not a designated area for you. Say the other parts parks and rec uh

so I've gone through Brad, I've gone through Kim, and I've gone through Erica. And unfortunately, every time we kind of get the ball rolling, the ball stops. So, because of that, um I kind of had to reintroduce this. So, is it counter to the PDGA um guidance on uh safety and layout?

No, this actually this is perfectly fine. Um the only other thing that I would say is um depending on how close you are to the walking path, they they don't really give a you shouldn't throw over a path as long as it's clearly visible and you're close enough to the path. But all all of these holes now are on the inside of the walking path. So, you're not actually crossing anything. Uh, like I said, the only thing that you are crossing is the uh service drive, which is that dirt path that goes behind the uh green shed and goes kind of towards the road.

But it actually does say not to um and the layout should not um cross the path or be close. It it says you can as long as it's visibly like it says absolutely avoid design where players might throw into blind areas where non-players could be walking on well-defined park pathways. Yes. Yeah.

And from that they they say you can throw overpass as long as it's close enough to where you're not basically you have ample amount of time to where you don't hit someone. So, and then throughout the video, um, with each of the holes, I actually it was either close to a parking lot, park, close to a path, and you're saying it's a service area. Uh, and then in some of the, um, holes, there were actually pedestrians in the park area walking dogs in the video. So, you can see them just to the left or just to the right of where the hole would be. And so we're suggesting that the signs are by on the pathway but not necessarily where the people are potentially walking their dogs and enjoying the park otherwise.

Kids are playing in the park. Yeah. Yeah. I even in your video I mean they're they're clearly there. So I was likeoo if I'm walking my dog I don't want to be dodging, you know, disc coming at me. Yeah. And and I understand that. I just I believe if we did implement the course, it would be a lot easier for people to recognize that this is an area for something like that as opposed to right now we were kind of just there's there's nothing out there to indicate that there would be anything being thrown in the area. And even one of the holes was, if I remember correctly, was right by the ball field. So there's a fence there.

And so I was like, oh well, how many times is the disc going to go over the fence into the ball field? And is there potential for people to be playing over there and then have a hazard?

I think that would have the same potential as someone playing softball and hitting it over the fence for a home run. I mean, it's it's the equivalent. Um, I don't know if there's anything that we could do to stop that because we don't want to put up like a a net because that would stop them from getting home runs. Um, if needed, we could always move the course around, but I think this is the most optimal layout so far that would uh benefit all uh types of players. Um, with this being a long and a short pin position. The short pin position is a little more for um novice players that does not go near the baseball diamond, but then the long side does. And with the with playing the longs, you kind of want to have a little more skill with that. So

yeah, just in watching the video, I'll be perfectly honest in transmitter that I was like, "Oh, this isn't I'm not feeling it." Like, okay, it just seemed a bit congested. I get multi-mixed use of the park, but um it just seemed like it would encumber upon others enjoyment of the park. I don't know. I don't know if everyone else saw the video or had comments. watched the video and I honestly had the opposite feelings because I years ago he came and it was a whole different layout and so he went back and changed it and I noticed it doesn't go over the walking path at all.

Yeah. So, I appreciated you, you know, moving it around and I had the same thought about the ball field. You know, I I was like those the softballs could right potentially come out, but I I don't know. I'm happy that something is coming to that area potentially. the service that service back there around the public works building too many pedestrians back there just on the path. There's plenty of people that walk back there. I Yeah. Well, no. People walk their dogs all They walk their dogs. Yeah. Um,

you know, I don't know if that would change. have to see. Um, has anyone kind of thought about like is there liability for us packing in this this golf course in this size of an area like or you know our park system? If it was the commission's wish to move forward with this, we would the city would do it due diligence on liability and stuff, but that would be the next step, not the first step. abilities. Yeah, I would assume with all I mean with just like with having a baseball field and softball's going for a home run, similar liability. Want to continue?

Sure. Um and then the last thing on this page is uh there is something called a mando, short for mandatory. Um, it is a sign that we can put up to indicate that you are supposed to in regulation throw on one or the other side of a specific uh thing like a tree. So, this one would be put up um on the closest tree near the hill so that you can't throw over the hill because obviously that would be a liability. Um, this would stop that from happening. Um, because you kind of have to throw into the wooded area and then back towards the uh the hill. None of the none of the holes cross over the hill. I know a lot of people walk and ride their bikes on that small hill. Um, so this would cause less um errant shots to be kind of going towards the neighborhood. Um, the next one is safety. Uh there are different types of discs. Um this one being a putter, it's a little more blunt. It looks more like an actual Frisbee. And then this one being a driver, it is a little sharper of a wing. Um and I looked up some statistics. So uh although a disc that is uh being thrown 250 ft, travels at 40 to 45 mph on release. Uh by the time it gets to the ground, it is only going about 20 25 miles an hour and slower because of the air drag that it is grabbing. Uh this should be ample time for someone to yell something like four or watch out. Um it's a lot slower than any kind of like golf or anything like that or the softballs that are coming over. And also this gives you um a lot of time for the pedestrian to see the thing coming at them and kind of step out of the way if needed. Um it doesn't

happen often. I've only seen one case um where someone was uh injured drastically and it was on a professional tour and it was one of the cameramen. They happened to be right behind the basket. The guy threw it over the trees because that was the only option he had and it kind of came straight down on his head. I don't even know how you would throw a disc like that in a park where there's nothing blocking anything. That's more of professionals. They're also throwing it upwards of like 80 miles an hour.

Yeah. So this is this is a putter that's for like short range and then this is a fairway driver which will be thrown for a little farther. Um, another thing about that is I would consider myself like a semi-pro, meaning that I've played tournaments for cash, but I'm not doing something like traveling around the world and getting paid millions of dollars because there are a couple people that get paid that much. Um, for a for a throw like 250 ft, I would be using the putter because I can throw that a lot more uh controlled and a lot uh faster with the putter than having to use something like the driver. And then with uh less skilled players, they might want to use the driver, but they don't have the arm speed or the technique to actually get it up to 40 45 miles an hour. So, it kind of evens out with the skill level. uh the higher the skill, the less need there is for something like that. Um vandalism. So obviously that is a major park issue. Uh but the more people coming to the park to play the course, the more people we have to stop any vandalism from happening. I've seen this all over. Um there were a lot of cases in Hines Park where they have the the 18-hole course where people have damaged things and a lot of the community has come in and either stopped future vandalism or actually fixed the issue that was done. Um there was like a a basket that was kind of knocked sideways. Some people have come in, dug around it, and actually reseemented it to where there was no issue. Um, players of the sport do not want our courses destroyed. We want to be able to play them. Uh, the course is in a well- viewed area. Like I said, there's nothing kind of blocking anything. And

also, I've been there. I mean, I walk I walk my dog and and my child all the time. And there's police driving through there all the time. There's a lot of neighborhood uh watch, I guess you can consider it. So, I don't believe that it would be that much of an issue um with the amount of people that would be playing it. The UDIS app does have a messaging area to where you can put notes in for the course um the the course administrator, I guess you can say. And uh some of that could be some potential like, hey, I noticed that something happened with this T- sign or something like that. we could always look and that'll immediately get emailed to whatever the whoever the administrator is, probably me because I'd be the most active with that. Um, and then once again, if concrete is used, the T- sign can be inserted into the pad, which I think is a really cool idea. And it also once you walk up, you see everything that you need for this hole actually located on the pad. You don't need any kind of signage. And that is uh stopping from more damage. I mean, they're they're if if you have a sign, someone can try and knock it over. Someone can try and rip it off. Um or they can just like write all over it. They I mean, any any any person that sees that is going to notice that. So, um park etiquette. In the past, disc golf has been seen as an activity associated with drugs and alcohol. Today, disc golf has evolved to be a sport played by everyone, removing the stigma of a hobby for a specific type of person. Obviously, they're still out there, but with the popularity after the COVID, we have a COVID boom. Everyone was told, "Go outside, stay far apart." Disc golf was one of those things that you could do. And it was very cheap. You could, I mean, those things are 15, maybe 20 bucks a piece. You could buy one or two of them, go play for free in

a park. Um, with that, there was a lot of uh money being put into the the sport. Some of the top pros make a million dollars a year, which when I think of throwing frisbes at obstacles, that is not what I assumed was going to be a thing. Um, although we can decide who chooses to partake in or although we can't decide who chooses to partake in activities like marijuana, we can decide that our park is going to remain clean and safe for everyone wanting to play the new course. uh course potential. Installing a course in GC will increase traffic to the park in an area that is for the most part unused. Um this allows for the use of the canopy tree area that in the past was suggested for as an amphitheater or sledding hill. I like to bring that up because I think it's funny. Um and then no trees will be cut down for the course. Those are actually the obstacles that go put

what I'm a little sad. I was a little sad about that sledding hill. The sledding hill made sense. The amphitheater right behind the neighborhood. What do you think, Kathy? I don't mind the sled. That sounds reasonable.

Yeah, I think the issue with the sledding hill was if we were to prop up more land, we would have to cut down trees so that people don't run into them, and a lot of people love those trees. So, uh, yeah. Um, nine-hole courses have the highest potential of, uh, growing the sport. Easy for new players to have a good time. does not take very long to com complete and free to play. Um I usually there is a park near my work in Wixom and it usually takes me to play the 9-hole course maybe at most 30 minutes. So this is something that you can kind of do at your leisure um and have a lot of fun with. Uh with the long and short T positions, like we talked earlier, you'd have uh access to 18 holes by playing kind of alternate long short on the front nine and then short long on the back nine. And that would give you 18 uh unique pin positions that you'd be able to play from. And then this is a map kind of showing where we are talking about just in case someone doesn't know. Um, the next page is the uh main sign that we could put up probably somewhere near the um the new concession stand or even the edge of the parking lot to indicate that this is kind of where everything is. And then we have course potential. So we could do leagues, a weekly event to keep people coming to the park. We can do tournaments, a way for local talent to compete against other players. A summer camp, which is a really great idea for uh new players. A weekend event to learn the sport from skilled players such as myself. Potential goodie bag for attendees to take home. Um a summer camp t-shirt and a set of discs, something like that. There are some local manufacturers

um that are willing to do discounts for things like that. So, we could do like a a set of two or three discs for anyone that signs up. Uh, nighttime putting league. I know last month we talked about um trying to figure out how to use the ice arena when it's not in use in the summer. This would be a great way. Uh, the picture underneath indicates that there are places that kind of set up temporary baskets um and do a nighttime league uh to pass the time. And then disc and equipment sales with the concession stand being next to hole one, which I actually went in there. They're doing a great job fixing it up. Um, but that would be a great revenue stream for players to come in and say, "Hey, I I'm about to play. I would like to grab some drinks um or some food, whatever we decide to do there." And then also on the inside, we could have either a disc rental um or a disc purchasing rack from local manufacturers so that people can go, "Oh, I've never heard of this. Let's buy a disc from the city and go play," which would be another great revenue stream for the concession stand.

So Corey, your um your experience with the leagues and I mean there's a demand for this. Yes. Right. because this page really interested me too is the cross cell across, you know, getting people into the park. That part really interests me.

Yeah. Unlike uh regular golf, which usually they like courses will only allow up to four people on a hole at once. Um unlike that, disc golf is a little more leisurely. I've seen cards up to like six or eight people, and that is for each of the nine holes. So, you can add a lot of people. Um, especially because it's not like golf where you have to have a golf cart per two people and everyone can kind of hit in the wrong direction and have to kind of scramble to get around. This all these holes are within a distance where if everyone throws, we kind of all move as a group and then the first person that finds their disc throws and continues on. But there are a lot of leagues around this area. It just happens to be a little farther than some people want to travel for.

And you can help build that. I mean, you have a summer camp and things like that. 100%. Yep. I mean, you could probably screen city logo on there, right? Yeah. Yep. So, um there is a custom disc um service that a lot of the manufacturers have where if you purchase a certain amount of discs, which if we were doing a summer camp, we would like aim to have a specific amount, but they have a service where they will hot stamp the logo or whatever design on the discs. So, not only the shirt will be a Garden City summer camp disc golf thing, it would also be on the the individual discs that they'll be able to take home. I was just liking the idea.

Oh, yeah. I do like the revenue. It's just bringing money. There you go.

Yeah. And with the course kind of starting where the concession stand is going into that wooded area, going behind the shed and coming back um at the corner of the field where like the uh volleyball nets used to be. One, it continues a full loop that you can kind of keep going around as many times as you want. And then also the concession stand literally is in between the end of hole nine and hole one. So you can walk up there, grab food, grab drinks, keep going. Um, you forgot one thing. Where are people going to the bathroom? Is there not a restroom around there?

There's two restrooms in the city park. The pool house restrooms and the softball restrooms. Okay. So, the softball restrooms would be the They would have to be open all the time. Not necessarily. I mean, if if kids go to the skate park, there are days where the the restrooms are closed. It's just kind of a I apologize. I forgot about the ice restrooms as well. I would say it's the same as anybody coming to the park. It would be they would have to understand the the time of the restrooms being open. You could add that on the app or something, you know, like information about or on each T- sign saying restrooms are open from this to this each day or

Right. So people look in, you know, Yeah, we can we can definitely notify people. You don't open the bathrooms unless people are there. Rotaries only if the soccer club or the pav's there. The park's a little different. The restrooms are open in the rink every day, right? Because when I did my inspection report today, I could not do the bathrooms because they're both locked. So, at least, you know, I went to check the bathroom. Tell me the doors are locked. On the first is the only the portaotties aren't ours. Those are those youth organizations that run fields there. Soccer and whoever else, right? Yep. Yep.

Yep. That's the soccer club. They have long days on that field. So this golf club would have to come over. No, if that's a fast track, then if you can really play this golf nine holes in a half an hour, then you can Yeah, you never know. You might be able to get somebody to donate a porter potty with their name on it for advertisement purposes. Come on, guys. You got to think outside the box. But generally in the summer, like ice bathrooms are open. Yep. And the outside one is usually

but if it's the rink bathrooms are open golf you don't want to leave your your tea or your hole to go all that way to go to the bathroom regular golf they're holding it until they get done with their 18 holes that's why it takes five hours yeah like a couple of the holes for people to use I don't golf yeah so that's why I was you know that's that was one thing I'm like oh you there would be have to be something because I could see that kind of getting out of hand. Okay. Yeah. You know, I Yeah, I I I get where you're Yeah. coming from I think they could walk too much already.

Yeah. Hopefully that's not something especially with these being like canopy trees. It's not really blocking anything. That would be definitely an issue. You want to do the last?

Yeah. So, the last page is uh kind of a course plan. This is kind of what Zach and I were thinking was uh phase one committee approves the purchase of the nine baskets for roughly $4,000. Zach and I install the baskets and T-side positions. And then I asked local companies if they would like to donate to sponsor a hole. Uh so this would be the concrete uh purchase. So 360 and I did the math there. So 4 by seven and a half. It's a lot smaller of a of a concrete tapad than we initially said with the I think I said 5 by10 originally. That was kind of what the PDGA and the UDISK app uh suggested the size be because that's on an average what they aim for. Um, if you look at the video that I posted, um, which you guys are all free to look at and, um, I believe Zach has the link so he can disperse it. But, um, I did bring cardboard with the size of 4 by 7 and 1/2 just to indicate kind of what it would look like. Um, that way it doesn't look like there's just concrete kind of poured out for random things. Um, it is roughly the size of what you would assume the the concrete underneath like a park bench would be just without the park bench. Um, so $360 per that would be the 4 by 7 1/2 uh 30 square ft of concrete and then I would have to factor in the uh labor with that. Uh, and then using the UDIS app, we can monitor how many people are at the course, aim for something like 200 plays for the year. uh if the metric is hit, move to phase two. Uh phase two could be something like committee approves the fulfill the fulfillment of the remaining teads to be installed. That would be after any kind of sponsoring of the holes. So um and then working with disc manufacturers to sell and rent discs out to the concession stand. Uh that would be very easy. I have a lot of contacts especially with um a company called

DisCraft. It is in Wixom. It is one of the original uh disc manufacturers in the world. Uh I think they started in like 78 or something like that. So they they love doing stuff like this. Um and then introducing leagues, tournaments, summer camps, ace races, etc. So is there an annual disc in order to retain the metrics?

Uh so there is a free look it it's always free and I believe it is I think it's $30 for the year if you want to retain more than I think it's like 50 uh cards on there. Um, a lot of my friends don't mind deleting cards to save the space cuz once you hit it, it just tells you to Yeah, that says a player, right? Talking about as a city for Zach if he wants to see how many people visit.

Oh, no. If you have administrative rights. So, if we were to create the um the position of the course, which means that we would actually do the GPS location from the tea to the basket for all the holes. We would write in any notes that say like, uh, you must throw around the left side of this tree, safety reasons, stuff like that. You get all of that access to all of that. So, is it free? No.

No. Nope. you just have to be approved as an administrator. They kind of just look for like are you kind of just trying to screw with other courses around and like manipulate things or are you actually putting this in? And it's it's a very easy like email test pretty much for administrative rights. Can I ask a question too on the the phase here? So, um, if I understood, Zack, there was another step that you were talking about with the liability review that would happen before we would vote on the baskets then, cuz that would have to happen before they were installed.

Well, if you guys approved a recommendation to move forward with this, um, then that would kick in the city's side to say my side to go, okay, what are the next steps given the price range? We got to talk to the city manager. We probably have to talk to council. All that. So all that'll happen if you guys do recommend moving forward with the project. We would have to approve the but as you know you would just be recommending we're not going to know what that is until we agree to go forward. We're just saying go forward. Yeah. Not to spend the money encumber the funds. We're just saying go forward and investigate this a little further. Yeah. Is that correct? Yeah. Okay. City very much decides we can

Well, and I guess I just want to be judicious with the funds, right? and the taxpayers's money and u making sure this is something because I'll be honest on Facebook groups um I saw a couple people comment like what are they talking about golf disc golf for you know and stuff like that there's always going to be chatter of course but um I just want to make sure that we're being very judicious with this and making sure that um we're not um adding any additional risk to our residents. What's what's the limit before you have when you're supposed to go to council for spending.

Um well, this is outside the budget, so that would be we'd almost maybe need a budget amendment. I I would have to look and see what kind of fundings we have available in our parks fund. Um it's already been approved. This gets really close to capital improvement project, a CIP, which that is approved by council. That threshold's 5,000, but once you take the baskets plus install cost, you get really close to that. So, there's a question there whether or not we should include this in our CIP or not. Um, after $10,000, you have to have council approval. After 4,000, you have to have city manager approval. So, we're kind of close to several things, but it would all really go into once we start getting quotes and pricing and see what it takes to do because it's not just what does it take to buy the baskets. It's what is the project the project you want to do? What is the total cost?

And it still has to be approved by council. uh depending on the cost and you have to add into the cost if you decide to rent out like you the city will have to buy discs and it's still that's also a cost too. So true. Yeah. You'd have to staff the snack bar that's already that's already in the phase three right I mean no I totally agree but

it's still something to have like in the back of your mind as you're planning a project that it still costs money. Yes, I agree with that. I I like the fact that we're, you know, pretty much pulling numbers for kind of study that for a series of months or years. Yeah, I think I think if we if we get the numbers and we see that there's oh, there's thousands of people playing this every year, it might be something that council would um agree that getting rental discs and discs for purchase would be beneficial to the city. If not, I mean, there's a lot of courses that don't even have nothing

in here. Yeah. It's it's basically they put the baskets over there. They said go have fun and then that's really it. So, those numbers are going to be very important to you, too, when you go to donors or sponsors. Yes. Yep. Well, and not only that, we we won't have a hard I mean, we'll have a hard number for what each hole is, but we won't have a hard number for what it is for the nine if he gets sponsors for the holes because every time he gets a sponsor, that'll decrease what the total would have been for nine holes if we're not paying for the whole boat. So, if you find Yeah. If you find some you find Gordon Chevrolet and they go, "We'll sponsor three holes." Well, you know.

Yeah. That's that's three that are city with Gordon Chevrolet. What I'd tell you is ask them when the best time is to come ask them for money. Yeah. No, seriously, because people people have money budgets, right? You got a lot of you guys may not know this. They have so much for advertisement, right? Yeah. You got to find out when's the best time to go see them for advertisement money. A lot of times people try and go advertisement money at the end of the year. Guess what? It's all gone. That's the wrong time to go. Sometimes it's the right time to go because some people do save all their money, but you got to find them. Can I ask how many people on the board have gone to a disc golf course or played disc golf? Anybody?

I have not. I have. All in favor? Right. So different. I can't throw a frisbee for my dog very well, so I would need practice. Can I just put out something? Maybe we should plan a field trip to one of the disc golf courses to check it out and just look and see. And maybe get the bus running. Play ourselves. I wasn't going to say that. Would you, Rob, would you be interested going just to go see? Yes. Would you play? Would you if you brought a couple discs, would you try and throw a couple discs just for the fun of it? No. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah. Yeah.

That's what I'm saying. I mean, he's got everything off. If we're going to go into might as well bring some at least one my trunk always has at least like 20 of them. The the best the best option would be in Hines. It's uh Caspenton which is the the hill area before you get to seven mile. Yes. I can fit five time you get there. Oh yeah. That's how far they are. That would be nice. Just something to look at. I think it'd be nice for us just to go see it. Get the bus or do we all have to drive? You got to drive your own.

Personally, I like the idea. I mean, I I like I mean, folks need to understand a shared space. You know, there are people walking their dogs, right? Be aware of went over into the other spectators and went like right inside his stroller. He could have been kid, you know, you're at a ball park. Yeah, there's danger pretty much around everywhere. You got to be aware of your surroundings. Um, I like the idea of bringing more people into the park. Right. Right. More options and things to do. I like the idea of being able to get more people into the city. Yes. Yes.

I'm thinking that some people are going to either they're if they come enough, they're either going to find a place to eat before or after. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

So, we're going to increase that part of it. Hopefully, they go to Garden City. Well, that could also be something you could also do something where that disc golfers get a discount at certain restaurants and here's a card and here's all the restaurants that give you 10% or whatever. Yeah, I like the ide what I would like to see happen is eventually move forward and then you know let's say let's see the city council pretty much can't afford it right now and then you team up with some folks and try to find sponsor sponsors you can come up with

what do you say with sponsor come back to the city and say hey I don't How many people know disc golf? You know anybody at LC really get involved? I've never seen him play disc golf this frisbee. Talk to them. Little Caesar's golf course cuz I Little Caesar's disc golf in the park. Hey, if you know somebody at LC then hey they might they might fit the whole bill for that cuz that would be nothing for them. Yeah, I know. They'd laugh at that. Yeah. You want what? 10 grand? Yeah, sure. The problem is most of the restaurants close to the park are in Westland. That's the only problem. Yeah. But we like uh for instance like I said basically when you create the course on the app you get to kind of describe everything.

There could be a section where it says hey these are our top recommended restaurants and things to do in Garden City, right? And you could say that they're the 10% 10% discount. Yep. You could put those restaurants in there and say, "Hey, these restaurants are offering 10%." Who cares if they want to play disc golf or not? And they went and got 10%. Who cares? At least the restaurant did more business, right? Yeah. One question. And the concession stand, how often is it open or is it just open for Yeah, we're not sure yet. We're going to kind of learn this summer what works best. Okay. Mostly during our adult softball leagues or kickball leagues. Um well, if we're going to first open because the Kerwin Classic is May 8th, so we'll be open for that.

Um we'll play we'll see what times are busy and based off those golf leagues that be open during that. Y I mean you'd have to fund it. You'd have to Yeah. You'd have to figure out timing. You have to say if you got a disc golf league, you have to bring people in, right? But I mean, you you hope that if you have a disc golf league and you bring somebody in, you hope that people are going to go buy something, right? Or another thing is a free bottle of water for you go play disc golf. I don't know. I mean, come on. We got to think outside the box. We just can't be old school and go, "Oh, no. Let's not do that." Well, you hear the key point to bring people into the city. That's one thing. To bring the people into the city. Yeah. To see what we have to offer.

That's what they said. And they built it and they did come. If you remember the movie, the dreams. And Robert, I'm going to make the joke. Having more disc golfers in the park means less people on your grass specifically. Exactly. I like that. I like that. Because I know I know how you are with your grass. That's right. Exactly. Thank you. So, what do you need? Maybe a motion or a vote or what are we looking for here? I think we're at the point where we need a motion to go forward so we can have the city council go look and see what some costs are going to be for like liability and different things because we really don't have enough information right now to make a decision. I don't think.

Yeah, I I agree. And I think I think the motion to go forward just gives me more it gives you more time to to go out cuz I'd like to do two things. One, I'd like to go to a discourse with you. And the other thing is I'd like to get this group out and walk through city park with it. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Anybody else has that interest or not? No. I think I think for us to give him a fair judgment for us to just not go out to the course and walk it with him and not go to another course and see what's going on. I think we don't have enough information yet to make a decision on which way we want to go. But we have to make a decision to go forward because there's things we can't find out until we do go forward. Yeah.

Well, we're not meeting in May. So, if you are trying to get Why? Because of my birthday. Yes, it is. to get this going before summer. You would need counsel probably. Yeah, right. Cuz they meet way more than us. So, they could probably approve it and then I would assume Okay. You know, but even even a motion today will get me feeling better about going to uh businesses. Well, yeah. Businesses and saying like, "Hey, this this already has motion to move forward." Getting you as a sponsor is going to push this a lot faster. And for those that are worried, I mean, it obviously needs to get approved. He has a layout where the court is going.

Yeah. Obviously, if you do a walk through and you see a major issue, that can be revised or that can be changed later. He's revised it. How many times it be revised it? We don't have to talk about No, no, but I'm saying you've revised it more than once or twice. Oh, yes. Yes. Well, and the thing is is that we can if we don't like it Yeah. If we tell you we don't like it, then you got to move it. Well, why don't we make a motion to go to the park to walk through what his plans are. We can do that instead of, you know, having him go try to find sponsors when we don't even know he's

I would rather make a motion to move forward so that he could go to council because we're not meeting again until the end of June. So, and we're truly the first step of this plan. I mean, we are not that. We're going to have a say so in this plan no matter what. It'll have to go through council if approving it completely. We don't really like No, no, I know I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. But that doesn't mean he can't get sponsors, but golf course or so. But on his side, he can go get sponsors. And even if he doesn't put it in Garden City, he's got sponsors to put it somewhere else. Yeah, but he could do that. They may not want to go somewhere else, but at least you've got sponsors. And when you go in to present the sponsorship, you can say to them, "Hey, look, I'm hoping it's in Garden City, but it might be in Westland."

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's what I'm saying. You got to think outside the box. If the motion is for Garden City, I want to get sponsors that are from Garden City to push more people here, which is the most important because I hate to wait waste your time trying to do that. If it's not going to be a waste of his time. Look at him. He's He's on fire. 5 years in. He's on fire. I'm about to retire from from designing courses. Let's make a motion. So, I think we're at the point where somebody needs to make a motion to send this to council for them to start doing some investigating for us. Does that seem like where we're at right now at this moment?

I think as you know, as you guys are recommendation board, your recommendation would go to advisement under administration and then we can take it to council at the appropriate time. Somebody's got to make a motion, guys. I was going to say I'll second it. All in favor? I I did I get You got You have You have to ask. I think we should go walk it. Do I have eight and a nay? You have to ask those those opposed. Those opposed. Oh, yes. Dennis. Yeah, I said yes. Okay. So, it's 81.

All right. He wants to get this somewhere. So, it doesn't matter if he goes hunting sponsors right now cuz he's Yeah. I just don't want to waste your time. That's That's what I'm saying. But he's going to he's going to try and put this somewhere whether it's here or somewhere else. We're all public. He's still going to have to do the same thing no matter what. Time. I mean, we're trying to benefit somebody somewhere, right? And council can turn us down right off the bat. Council can turn don't just remember we don't have any power over council right council could say hey we don't even want to investigate this at this time and then we're dead then we're dead in the water but at least I got to this day and then you know next year you need to come back and we need to spin the wheel again

I hope Zach's not gone next year I that happens to be every time that I come back so but thank you maybe we need to have you opportunity thank you for your Thank you for your time presentation. I like the guy. That was very informative and well done. I like the guy that public hearing. Ladies, do you have anything tonight for us? No, we're in opposition to having this call. So, we looking at You were in the position to what? I'm sorry. Against the disc. You're against it? Yes. Okay. You can come up if you want. You come up and you can have your three minutes. You're on the clock. Yeah,

he did a good presentation. He takes a half hour. I can't throw diddly squat. So, mine would not take a half hour. Mine may go all all over the place. I walk the park. I've been going to the park all my life. Um, my name is Melanie. I am a Garden City resident. I've been a resident all my life. Um, and I look at it from a logistics point of view. Where he wants it, there's no way. Now, if you're a good thrower like he is, okay. Yeah, there's kids walking dog. My dog's 8 and a2 pounds. One of those discs hit it and kill it. You think I'm not going to sue the park? Oh, yes I am. Because I've been walking my dogs, all my dogs since I was a little kid in the park. She's got a dog that's like 8 pounds as well. So, I'm looking at it. This is a avenue that people can sue. It's a everyone wants to sue to get some extra money. I mean, that's the way it is. people. There's kids now. Like when we drove by the park, there's kids running around everywhere. There's parties, you know, whatever going on. The Kerwin Classic was just the other day. So, but you're going to have that disc golf right there by then and kids are sitting in the grass or practicing ready to go. That's why I look at it from a logistics point of view. people walk the dogs. And once summer gets going, believe me, me and her, we got to walk on the grass because there's kids on the track. There's elderly people that walk um people on bikes, kids on bikes or on scooters or whatever that whatever they like to do. And they're quick. So, he may have it at the hill, but what if someone's not a good thrower and they throw it and hit one of the kids right there. Boom. Another lawsuit. And that's the way I look at it. Now, you may think it's bringing people into the park, okay? Well, there's times when after I get done walking, I have pot

taste in my mouth for an hour because of all the people smoking dope in that park. We've seen people taking a dump. I hate to say it like that, behind the trees, peeing behind the trees. So, like you say, there's no restrooms. Well, some guy's going to go behind a tree and do his thing. So, what about the people that live behind there that, you know, they don't want to see that. They don't want to hear the parties or the people all that, you know, and that's fine. They're having fun. That's what they're supposed to do. But the park is just not built for that. All the other sports, they're all in there. He kept bringing up the softball. Yeah. They have high netting and a high fence. But when you go to a softball game, you know, that could be it. you could get hit. But most of the um where you sit is in front right where the high netting is. So if you take a chance and you sit in the back of it with your chair, well that's your choice. There's people that walk there at that me and her we walk in that at the sled hills what we call it. We walk there constantly every day. So with this disc then we're not going to be able to walk our dogs there. I see other people walking their dogs. I see people playing with their dogs there. I see little kids playing there. So, putting it there, it's going to tell have people go in other places. They're not going to be able to play there anymore or walk their dogs. That's why that's where I have it. Walking our animals. I don't want to have to look for a sign, watch for flying disc. What about an eight-year-old riding a bike? You think they're going to watch for flying disc? No. You say that people read the signs. Okay. Go to the park. See how many people read those signs. How many dog crap we find all over the place? sign says to pick up, pick it up. They don't read it. No smoking. Nope. They don't read that. So, why do you think they're going to read these signs? You know, and that's the way I look at it. You know, I I love the park. I go there all the

time. I enjoy it. There's other things you can bring to the park for Avenue like crashes. Me and her, we go to Northville to um the day fairs there. They have a lot of money. Food trucks. I mean, that brings in a lot of money. People go to I know we do. we go to stores in the area when we're there. So, there's other avenues to to bring stuff into the park. So, I know we fought against the amphitheater there tearing down all the trees that you guys were thinking about doing at one time. And this would to me would be another thing. It's just I look at it just from a logistics point of view, someone that lives in the city, walks their dog, the kids play there, there's, you know, you're renting out the the parties and everything. And I just see a lot of issues that would happen with this and that's the way I look at it. That's why I'm against it.

Thank you. It's just not a big enough area. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Appreciate your time. Do you have something you'd like to say too? You let her do you let her say it all? Okay. No, as long as you No, we just want to make sure everybody's got their time. Right. Right. Exactly. You got it. Moving on. Upcoming events. upcoming program and events. Hang on. Park construction. Oh, dang it.

There's the public hearing and then the public comment. We have talked many times about switching this up and it just keeps falling this way. I don't like that the public comment for agenda items comes before we talk about it. So, Oh, you you want to move eight is what you want to do. Well, we I mean we have talked about this I feel like a couple of times about potentially moving public comment. We used to only have one. Want to make se You want to make 87 and 78? No, I don't want to change anything now, but just maybe for a future agenda, I would be curious to hear what you guys have to say about it. Moving it to where

at the bottom maybe so that after we talk about it, you know, residents then I feel like there's only two options for public comment on agenda items. You can do it before discussion ever happens by the commission so they can hear the public or like it is for council. You can do it discussion the council has time to uh speak about it and then the public has time to speak about it and then you can vote. So there's only two options you have for public comment about agenda items. Does it have to be prior come before? Yeah, it should be come before your vote. Like even we did go a little bit out of order there. It should have been the presentation. Then we should have heard public comments on agenda items. Then we should have moved into the disc off discussion and then you could have voted on it.

So we kind of even like you said we did go out a little out of order there. Um yeah. But either I can stay before or it kind of disappears from the agenda and then every single action item someone motions someone seconds or sorry every time there is a motion on the floor before you guys vote public you would have a chance for public comment and then it would come up for a vote. Okay. All right. Thanks for the information. Yep. So we can I can throw that on agenda about changing our I believe it's our bylaws that set how that is look. So I I can look into that. I can throw that on a future agenda. Yeah, you're gonna have to look and see because if it's in the bylaws, we're going to have to vote on changing the bylaws. It would be fine.

You have to make a bylaw change. Okay. All right. Making a note for that. Young fella, you got anything tonight? Moving on.

I think it's you. I did take a look at um your guys' park inspection forms. Uh I did look through a lot of this. A lot of this is all stuff that we are working on. I know they are ordering mulch for several different playgrounds. I believe they're going to have a company come in um and either deliver it and DPW spread it or the company itself might spread it through a blower tube. Um I know they're working on getting quotes and stuff like that now. Um so I saw mulch at a few different playgrounds. I saw actually a lot of good reviews, too. That was really nice in these park inspections about grass being cut, no garbage. That was all very good stuff to see from you guys. Um, there was one park that looks like it needs a little bit of trash picked up. Um, I did see the asking for the quote on the basketball court. I believe Quantis has one, so I'll look to see if they've already gone down that path.

I would love to see a quote and then maybe if they would be willing to take care of it. Yeah, I believe that is in there. the pres the plan they presented to us that is one of the um I believe in year three or four so bad it is way past time for something to be done and to provide an oh sorry um Florence Park there were five tires in there was that something Tiffan's using for their because there's a whole bunch of kids out there the one day I drove by big ones five big car tires colors they're not they're just regular car tires They're just like regular truck tires. I took a picture of them and everything. I assumed it was dumped but

And I don't know. And four of them were against the fence by Tipton and one was just laying in the in the field. And I didn't know if it's something Tipton's using because there's no playground equipment there anymore. If they're using that, you know, or is that something that has to be picked up? I'll check with Tipton. If they're not theirs, we'll have them picked up. And Tipton does have the colorful tires, but that's separate. The first fence, right? That's on their side of the property. Yes. on. Sounds like something that was dumped. Yeah, tires are hard to throw away. So, I wouldn't be surprised. Are they going to pick up all those big logs that they

Yeah, that was actually as I was going through these. Yep. So, Florence, you mentioned about the fence line and stuff. They're working on that entire fence line in Florence. So, they're dropping stuff off and cleaning it as they go through. Um, putting a new walkway into the in the park to the restroom. They got that whole Yeah. City Park. Yeah. They're working on the plumbing. They're fixing the plumbing on that. As you know, the pool house restrooms back up often, right? This is going to be a permanent fix again. Um, to answer the question about the status of the racket ball court, uh, they're actually asking a contractor that's coming in to do the cement work. They're asking if that's something they can handle this summer. Um, preferably low to no cost. Uh, but we'll see what they say about that. Um, but

Oh, they plan on doing they're getting quotes for the parking lot then, I'm assuming. You mean by the No, sorry. You said the status of the raetball court about demolition on that. Are they on it or they Yeah, this board moved forward to, you know, if if we had the funds available to remove it, we would remove it. So, we're asking the concrete company that is doing mapwood because they'll have the equipment on site if it's something they can do very low cost. Um, if not, it might still be there for a little bit. But what about the parking lot? That's the city the city's responsibility because they use it. They park buses there and everything. Maybe the city and the schools could split it. I don't see that. But

it's a public parking lot. We'll take care of it actually. But again though, the parking lot is in the Quanis' five four year plan. So also terrible. Then then we need to make sure that it's it's viable for buses. Yeah. No, because the thickness that the thickness that you need for you have to remember for cement and asphalt, if you've got buses sitting on it, driving on it off all day, you need a different thickness. Don't I think buses used to pull in there, but I don't think they do as much anymore. Maybe they could do like a little bus lane right on the side like between the sidewalk and the road, you know? Well, I don't think it's common for them to pull in there anymore. Mainly because the parking lot's destroyed, but I don't think it's common for them to pull in there anymore.

I know they used to, but I don't think they do anymore. We need to be clear and see if when it's redone if they would go back to using it because then you're right. It would need to maybe be right. the specs need to change. Um, we also there was a comment about the restrooms at City Park, the pool house bathroom as we call them. Um, that is getting renovated. They're fixing the plumbing to fix uh there's been issues of the toilets backing up in there and not working. That's actually why last year we had portaotties on site for our large events. Um, public works is doing that work along with a plumber. Um, and they're going to completely fix the plumbing so we don't have that happening moving forward. So, leave our paintings up there though. Yes. Oh yeah,

they're very close to what we're working on. Um I I should I should mention I was just at City Park and since I'm a lady, I go in the lady's room to inspect it and there was one faucet in there that was just running. Yeah, actually I was going to ask you that which what bathroom at City Park? It was the ladies bathroom attached to the ice arena. The rink. Okay. And then um it's the sink on the Well, you can't miss it because it's running, but one on the right. All right. We have staff there tonight. Seems to be the one running. All right. We have staff there tonight. So, I'll have them take a look at that before they head home. I did mention, but do you have the CC click fix app?

Well, that's actually I did want we talked about last time you bring that forward for this meeting. I didn't have time to prepare that, but um either we'll talk about at our barbecue or the next meeting I will bring for the cicklic fix and show you guys all how to use that and moving forward and stuff. So, but actually all this stuff like you like you filled that out on this form that is something I'm going to put on cclick fix. So, I already talked with public works about how we're going to handle these. So, I'm going to give them a copy of all these forms. I'm also going to create a list of the top things like you all list there's two parks that need trash cleanups, there's four parks that need mulch. Um, I'm going to provide those priority lists to them. And if you guys want to discuss now, like I kind of already did it, but if you guys want to talk about what what needs to be prioritized at these parks. Um, and then anything else, all the smaller stuff.

I think if weeds and weeds in the mulch is an issue, then it should be for all the parks then. Cuz I don't know, I can tell you this. I was not happy with the weeds that are in the mulch at my park. I don't know about anybody else. It was the same. I mean, I looked I have Helen, so um I don't know how long it's been since there was mulch put down there. It looked pretty bad there and weeds coming up in there. We just put the mulch. The mulch is what we were told is the mulch that we're buying and using right now. It's that specialty mulch that costs extra because it's friendly if you fall on it and all that other crap, you know. So anyway, there is no mulch there though. We just get it. Didn't you guys get mulch last year? Not for Helen. Yeah. Okay.

No, we only need to be Yeah, we only did half the parks last year. So, like I said, actually the four people who listed mulch, those four parks are getting done because those are the parks we didn't do last year. We did those with the park work days last year. So, all the parks that we had work days, we brought in. So, we're going to try and we're going to try and set the parks up where Okay. So, we'll do those four this year. Next year, we go back and do the other four that we did last year. Yeah. Actually, try and keep it rolling.

Yeah. What I prefer to get back to is after we do these four, then we can do them all yearly because it won't be a big cost for every single park. It'll be a smaller cost. Actually, working with our public works deputy director, Steve Mahalik, you know, preferably every year, you pull out a little bit of mulch and you put another top layer on top. So, now that we've done this big refresh through all the parks after this year, hopefully we can get back to doing all of them just as like the school district does um and any park where we can go back to yearly pulling off that top layer and putting on a top layer that's nice and soft. We did the four last year. There was mulch was non-existent. We didn't have anything. Yeah. When we did the parks because we have not had every year you don't have to put as much in.

Right. I got it. Do park cleanups this summer. I'm planning something. They're not going to be like the work days like the mulch that we did before, but I'm still trying to look for something in the parks whether it's a workday or fun days, some type of community output. Um I would like to do something. I just don't know what yet. Is there any way like obviously I have a our cola and that is a very lowleveled like the playground itself is like lower than everything else around it. Um is there any way to get kind any kind of drainage into there? Can we vertical drainage for that? Yeah, that's something we can definitely look into. I will I'm thinking that vertical nowadays is probably the quickest. Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, cuz all they're going to do is they're going to go in with like a like a post digger.

Yeah. Drill a hole out. Put cement. put dirt back over the top of it and as the water keeps pearl well you got to put something that you're right it's either pee gravel or rocks. So you you fill a hole back and then what you do is you kind of watch it and then you might have to drill either you drill five at one time cuz you have one in the center and then four out or you drill the first one and then wait to see what the water does. Yeah. If that takes care of it then you don't have to drill the other four holes. That's totally up to you guys. DPS should know how to do it. Yeah, they are DPS is the water experts. So, we definitely um I just included that one on that inspection report though. Drainage for the uh Arcola Park. It seems like a priority.

So, Zach, how do we address or what do we do with the playscapes? I mean, the one at Helen, it looked pretty rough in several areas there. The metal's deteriorating it looks like.

Yeah, every year we have Pura come out and do an inspection of the park. So um preferably actually I'm going through my certification and so is my down tob certified uh playground inspectors. We are not yet. So we use an outside company Penter. They're the same company that sells playground equipment. They'll come out and give us assessment and then solutions on how to repair them. So that is already happening for the playgrounds that you suggested. Um and there's another playground that looks like it needs to be addressed. So they'll help us through that process. And um sadly like Florence where we did do an inspection and it became hazardous. If we can't have if we don't have the funds to fix it, then we have to pull the playground. So, we're hoping we don't

saw some comments from residents on Facebook about that and it's they were saying like, "Don't say anything or else they're going to take your playscape away." So, it's kind of sad. Yeah. Well, I will say that, you know, of course, as No, no, no. I totally get the the reason. I'm just saying people are less likely to say something because they think if we say something, they're going to take it away and not replace it, which is what happened. So, so what is the timeline? What does it look like um for the review of the playscapes and and assessing them and determining what needs to happen to

Well, pretty quick after it's become aware to us as you did through cicklic fix and your public construction form pretty quick. So, I've already met with public works on it. We're already going to have someone come out and inspect the playground, tell us what we need to do, and then if it's then then it's on budgetary numbers there. If it's too costly and something the city can't afford to repair, we'll do the same actions we took with Florence and say, does it need to get removed or not? Um and if it doesn't, we'll repair it. we can afford it. Awesome. I think that is the case for Helen. Already taking a look at there. Um I believe public works is already start work on um the repairs that needed for Helen. Um so I I don't think that'll be a problem there, but it'll be pretty quick process from either closing it off or repairing a month. We're going to know what which direction we need to go. Yeah. Okay. Gotcha.

Yep. I think public works is working like over the overtime right now getting everything done at the barbecue. Yes. Yep. I do like the idea that you and Mike getting, you know, approved to do that instead of the salesman telling you that. Yeah. Well, they are always been there, but like with everybody leaving, you know, we've always had somebody who could do it, but with everybody leaving, nobody never did it before because he didn't have to because we had people that were already

Yeah. But it's been a while. I think at one time public works had the certification then Pat McCarge did and then since then because since she left I think we've been really using outside either um not doing the inspections yearly or having someone outside do it. So and I will say uh this is probably the fastest CLI fix ever completed. The faucet and ice rink is running and working properly again. So um you're all set. I already heard back from the staff. Already already wasted enough, right? We wasted enough, right? Yes. I didn't even get my uh dog poop bags at Rotary that fast. And I put that one in often. Best DPW around.

Is there any other priorities or anyone else that some something really stood out in this park inspection reports that I should include in the report to public works? Just the mulch. I think you were had my one about the trees and the shot. Yep. Yep. All righty. Thank you. Up and coming. Let's see. Are we to up and coming? Public comment. Public comment again. Here we go. Non-aggenda items. Non-aggenda items. Anyone? No. You know, I have I have one more question.

Is there um I noticed I I kept blaming people for the all the food wrapper litters outside the trash can. So, one night I was kind of walking the dog through the park and here I see a raccoon climbing out of the trash can. Yeah. Is there such a thing as like a a raccoon proof trash can? No. Uh, I mean, our animals are smart, but uh, the cans to keep them out are expensive. Yes. I'm assuming if you had the lid, if you But even if you had a lid on it that had a trap door on it that when you open it, it sprung back, I guarantee he's still going to get in there. So now you're going to have to make the door so small.

And then somebody's all the trash is going to be on the outside. It's not going to be in the can anymore. Raccoon that couldn't get out. That's just weird. At least next time I'll think that instead of thinking people are littering. So yeah. Oh yeah. I kept blaming them. Yeah. Right. Are they littering? Jeez. It's the raccoons. They're pulling all the the food wrappers out

and we start we are still in the in between phase of moving parks and w doing the park maintenance over to public works. So as it fully moves over to them and off ours like I think that all that stuff will pick up and be a lot nicer. So, I know even parks did do the park maintenance, the trash and bathrooms this past weekend for Kuran Classic. And you're not wrong. It happens often just with credtors getting the trash cans and throwing everything out. Up and cominging program and events.

Yes, we have a lot uh upcoming. So, we're moving into May. So this Saturday or actually sorry even closer tomorrow we have the ribbon cutting at Redcliffe at 2 PM. Um we're going to do a very short ceremony in the beginning and then tour of the building. Um it'll be smaller fashion but I hope you guys can all be there for the ribbon cutting. Um this kind of sidekick to that event is this Friday we're doing like a community night. That's where we really expect the most of the people to show up. It'll be very similar to the previous community nights we've done. We'll have a lot of people there. We'll have um all of our rooms open for free use. We'll have staff in every room explaining what we do. We'll have people there to help you register for programs, learn about our programs. We'll be showcasing all the new stuff we have like in our gymnasium. The floor just got repainted this past week. It looks amazing in there. Um we'll be running basketball. We'll probably have a cage down from the batting cages. Those are done and ready um for the community tonight. And then we'll also have pickle ball running. Doris, she does our pickle ball basics. She'll have her and a few other people there uh showing people how to play pickle ball. So, we'll be able to do that in the gym. Um, we'll move along to our teaching kitchen. We have classes actually that are getting posted now and tomorrow uh for May. So, we'll be able people show them around the teaching kitchen how that's looking um and register you for those classes. Our food pantry will be open. Our uh the fitness center will be open. Lenise, she does her introductory hour um every Monday morning for seniors. She'll be there that afternoon to show you how equipment works and stuff like that. Our esports room will be open. The cafe will be open. We did get our license from the Wayne County Health Department. So, we are serving hot foods at Radcliffe now. Um, so we'll be running that cafe then in the evening. Our game room will be open, the patio, we'll have someone doing cardio drumming in our activity room. Um, those classes have taken off. They've all filled up. Um, so we'll have like little demonstrations of that. Our dance express staff will be there to talk about their program. Our art teacher will be there to talk about arts and crafts. Like I said, we'll have the teaching kitchen and the gym. Um, so that's this week. That's tomorrow. We'll

do the ribbon cutting with just a tour of the facility and then we'll invite an entire community out Friday night at 5:00 p.m. until 9:00 p.m. to experience all the things we have to offer. All of our staff will be there. I know the Imagination Center is not part of the Are they going to be there to Yes, they will be actually Sorry. Yep. station and Head Start um will both be there to kind of showcase their portions of the building as well and they're going to do tours and stuff like that and show you around the center and um that'll also uh be available to um visit that center as well. So, yep, that'll that'll they'll they'll be there as well. Thank you. Actually, I didn't write that one down. Yeah, they're really doing a good job there. I mean, they have a lot of kids there every day.

Nope. And they just opened out their outdoor space. Yes. Uh which looks amazing. And they they constantly have field this is field trip time. Uh even the Radcliffe Center has a few field trips coming up between our own schools and other schools renting spaces in our building. Um and they're just as busy. So it's kind of cool seeing the buses almost every day there now. So um we also this Saturday, May 2nd, the day after we have the GCYA opening day at Muller Field. Um we would love to see you guys all there for that. That is a good tradition going on for a long time now. Our staff will be there and then the communication staff will be there to record that and provide the audio. Um, shortly after that, May 7th, is the Mother's Day senior lunch. You don't have to be a senior, but you're more than welcome still to join. We just opened up 50 more seats. We hit our cap of 100, but with our food vendor, we were able to add a few additional plates. So, we have 50 more seats available uh for anyone that wants to join us on May 7th.

Gymnasium that will be in the gym. Yep. Because we have too many people. We don't know where else to put them. Yeah.

Um May 8th, 9th, and 10th, like I said, that's the current classic softball. Um they will be at Muller Park and City Park this year. Um that is going to be actually our first day of running the concession stand at City Park. Um we're going to test it out with the current Classic. The GCA doesn't want to host their own concession stand, so we're going to do it out of that facility uh that we just recently uh revamped with help from our community. We'll be open that 8th and 9th. Um May 14th, 15th, and 16th uh at 700 p.m. is the figure skating annual ice show at the ice arena. kind of the end of our ice arena season. So, we'd invite you all out to come at least see one of those performances at 700 p.m. Uh those three nights, they do a fantastic job. They're actually getting ready now as they call it ice show week. The entire uh ice arena is surrounded of props and figure skaters and stuff like that. Um so, very good show. They put on a lot of work to get that ready. I'd love to see you all there. Um May 15th, that Friday, we start our kickball league in the park. So, we'll uh that is another time we'll have our concession stands open. Um, and the kickball league will be running. We were looking for one more team. If you guys want to join a team together, maybe you're going to do you guys can do a disc golf league together, a kickball league together

and an adult softball league together. I think I see some talented uh people around the And the day before that, actually, our cornhole league starts at Radcliffe on May 14th. You forgot something. We have to be in the over 60 league. That's fine. Exactly. Exactly. That's I think there's a handicap for that. I don't know. I'll check.

Um, and I wrote some announce notes here, too. Oh, in May starts not only our kitchen classes I had just mentioned. Uh, the kitchen will kind of open. We've we've purchased some equipment for the kitchen for the classes. Uh, we have three different cooks kind of doing different classes throughout the month of May. We're also expanding a lot of our senior activities into the afternoon. So, our bingos and bunkos and that type of stuff that happen normally during the morning, we're also including into the afternoons. uh going to kind of be a trial period during May as we hit those summer months, people stop going inside and want to spend time outside. So, we're going to also do the same thing and try and spend more time in the parks and outside, but before we kick off, before we leave the winter totally behind, we're trying to do some activities as seniors in the afternoons. If they work out well, we'll keep them throughout the summer. Um but we might see them disappear and then come back uh next fall. Um like I said also the batting cages are completed at the Rackcliffe Center and we do have an upcoming um baseball clinic in those cages May 17th, 24th and 31st. Um I believe those are all three Sundays and last three Sundays in May. So it's actually time that the center is normally closed but now we can run programming in our gymnasium. So we'll see how that works out. Um I believe that's everything coming up in May. Oh, I also want to give a shout out. I know GCway this past weekend for the Kuran Classic. Um, that is a huge event for our city and our parks. It brings thousands of people to the park as you know, you've seen even when Mike presented the pacer reports. The busiest day in the park is the current classic weekend. Um, so it is awesome to have so many people come into our parks, visit our restaurants, stay nearby, people travel from all over. Um, and even with the weather, they still hosted a a terrific tournament. Um, that's Joe, Josh, Tom, and Mark are the tournament directors for that. Um and Joe and his entire family and all the volunteers at GCA there all weekend long um keeping the fields ready um prepared our own staff uh Mike keeping fields ready and prepared. I think they did a terrific job in our parks. I'm just glad that they choose us and this city to host their stuff.

You know how many teams you're going to have this year or I don't know for the current classic I believe they have between 70 and 80. I think 76 778 teams and yep. So amazing tournament for our city to host every single year. So you you better figure out how to keep Jill. Yes. I was actually he's up for election for the GCA. I was told and uh he said I can do I can do more time. I was like yes you're doing more time. You're not going anywhere. So no he's very very committed to the city and the the youth is you know keeping GCA going. Be thankful that he still has a young one. No seriously that's No. His entire family was there this weekend. Yeah. If he didn't have young kids, he wouldn't be in it. Yeah. His kids are aged out, are they?

They're not in the program. Really? Yeah. I thought he still had No, she's a junior or freshman, right? Yeah. Yep. They're aged out, but they're volunteering still. Him and his kids all all weekend long. Oh, he's got the kids doing it, right? Yes. Yep. And it was a stressful week. He doesn't like to say the word rain, and there was rain. Um so, it was very stressful for him and making sure that all the games still there was some constellation games they had to make up and stuff. So, um it's actually this is the first time I've ever spent that much time at the tournament this entire weekend. Um helping out and stuff like that and I think I even mentioned to him I don't do this much for work for Santa and Santa's a large event. So, uh it is it's it's interesting to see what it takes to do that type of stuff. So,

right because he's always trying, you know, I've talked with him on it and he's trying to grab people out of Canada. He's trying to drag people out of Ohio. He's dragging people all over the place because once they found out about the Kerwin Classic, then they're bringing other people from Canada and other people from Ohio, too. So, it just keeps seems like it keeps growing. Yep. Nope. It it definitely hasn't. And I hope it does continue. At some point, we were we're going to max out our fields, which I think we have. So, we're going to have to build a new field. Either more days, build fields, or

I was going to say that a commissioner comments, but since you're on it, yes, 78 teams. The furthest I could figure out was Mommyo, Ohio. And they were there were there were so many compliments. I was mostly at Walmart on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday pretty much seeing Zach passing in passing by picking up trash. Um we all put in a ton of hours, but um so many compliments about how nice our fields were. Uh Mhler especially, I can't speak for for city.

Um uh we also there there's three locations. Leavonia Rotary is the third location. Um, so that opened up, I think, when they expanded it. So, no, it's a great tournament and Joe does a great job. It's the 11th annual Kerwin Classic, 718. Um, yeah, it's awesome. The kids all walk away with a a ring. They were the champ for the championship or the runner up. So, uh, yeah, close that down at 7 o'clock on Sunday, I think, after a full day Saturday and a ready day on Friday. Yeah, actually was I they posted some photos on social media and it was actually really refreshing to see all of the um other teams commenting and how nice they've seen the fields improve over time. You know, as of recent, we used to have a contractor working on our fields at City Park. Uh two years ago, Mike proposed that we purchase our own equipment and he do it in house. And since he's done that, the community, it's funny because he doesn't give himself enough credit, but the community really even this weekend has said like, "Wow, the fields are so good." like there the brainstorm we had, we would never would have been playable on Saturday if it wasn't for the fact of everything he's done the last two years, but also then getting up at 6:00 a.m. Saturday morning and turning in circles and dragging those fields from 6:00 until 8 for us to be playable on Saturday. So, the commitment of our parks staff and especially Mike and getting the fields ready and Joe and the team over there at Muller and getting those fields prepared over years and years of just getting them the best they can be has definitely made a difference and the players coming just for this tournament alone. So, there's some teams that have been there in the entire 11 years of the tournament and have said this is by far the best the fields have ever looked. So, we definitely want to start generating some more revenue in our uh ball fields, especially at City Park, even through our softball leagues, and start putting money back into those fields to um keep them the great condition they are today. So, if not even better.

That is all for my director's comments. Thank you. Radcliffe and the ribbon cutting. I think we pretty much covered that, too. I did. I'm all set for comment and we'll start with Go ahead, young fell. Well, I think I said pretty much all the other got more to say.

The other thing that I will add is with GCI like Joe Joe has his kids have graduated out of the program. Um George and Teruchi their kids have their son has graduated out of the program. um Jen Van Vanderwater and Dave Vander, they're out of them. But so there's a lot of folks that I think that's why it's a digging and that's why I stay involved so much, too. There's just there's love for kids in sports and to keep him out of trouble. So, um and thank you for Zach. I think his name around enough on social media today about all this, uh how great he is for helping out, but um thanks again um even for me. That's it.

Sharon here. Uh, I just had a question. Uh, the May 26th, is that still the barbecue? Yes, it is. Yep. I didn't include that on my uh May 26th. Yeah, May 26th. I have the marketing working on that flyer tomorrow. Um, so we'll get that posted and we'll get the agenda. Well, what time? We will skip our next meeting. Um, I think we'll probably keep it simp for our next meeting because we're not having our next meeting because our next That's what I'm saying. Yeah, we're skipping. Yeah. Um, and we'll publish that in June. So, May. No. Uh, I don't Did we decide on a time? I don't think we did. Don't have a time yet. We just have a day. Maybe I'll look at what we did last year and copy that. 6:30 might be too late. Yeah, it might be. I'll I'll look and see what we did last year. We'll do the same time. Okay.

Thank you. My turn. Um when I was talking to a few quite a few people actually that mentioned this um at City Park, they would like to see if we could get more police patrols at the park. at least drivethrus um like during peak hours maybe from 4 in the afternoon till 8 at night or in close. Yeah. Till close especially in the summer. Yeah. That was going to be one of my comments as well and I echo some of the comments from our residents. The smell of marijuana is kind of heavy there. So I don't know what we can do about that. But

I don't think you're ever going to be able to do anything about the marijuana situation. It's legal, so people are going to smoke it wherever they want because you can't illegal. Not in Not in the city park, though, where tobacco. Yeah. Yeah. But there's people out there that said you can't do that. This is a United States. You can't say there's no smoking in a open area like that. Well, our park is You got a lot of people that aren't going to say that. They're going to say they don't believe in that law cuz that law is against their constitution. They're just saying our park is

and they'll argue back and forth about it. So, what are they going to do? They're going to smoke in the park anyway. learn because the same discussion was that somebody called to have police presence still rolled right through because he smelled marijuana. But I mean is that true? Do they enforce it if they catch the person and they have done that as far as you know? That's something I can ask the police department let you guys know. Well, and not to mention um and I don't you would think motorized vehicle would you know ebikes would kind of consider themselves motorized vehicles but maybe we need to on the signage specify ebikes as well cuz they really can go fast

walking path. Oh, they they're on the walking path and you don't hear them as much as you would even a you know a mini bike or whatever. Um, so maybe like a speed. That's it for me.

Yeah, I believe that's an ordinance. So, I'll look into what we have to do to change that. That'll probably be a process that comes in for you guys to amend the language and stuff like that. So, as much as we can post no ebikes, it wouldn't be enforceable unless we actually went through and changed the uh process there. So, I'll look into that. And I will say I spent a considerable amount of time this past few weeks at city park getting ready for Kerwin, getting the concession stand ready. Uh, police do actually patrol that park pretty often. They're constantly passing through. So, it's kind of the same argument. People say, "Well, I never see them in my neighborhoods." Well, they are, but there's a big city, so they are passing through the park. That is something that actually like started with the police department at the end of last summer about getting those patrols started up again. Um, and I do see them pretty frequently running those patrols, not only during the day, but also after the sun falls and making sure people leave the park.

So, I think they've been doing actually a really good job of that this past few uh as the weather has gotten warmer. So, um I will share though the sentiments of the request and with PD and I'll get back with you if there's any updates. Yep. Thank you. I'm good.

I just have two things. Um I talked to some soccer parents about the Rotary Park bathrooms. They said that the last couple times they've been there, there's been no toilet paper to the point that they've actually started carrying it with them in their car. So, whoever's unlocking the bathroom, maybe they could have like a checklist, you know, to to be checking that. And then I thought also you could put a tub um inside. There's like a little shed there at Rotary so that toilet paper could be on hand there in case the soccer club, you know, needs some.

Okay. Yeah. Rotary Park, that bathroom is unlocked two ways. Either one, there's a pavilion rental and that'll be unlocked by our park attendants or public works. Um or the soccer club does have a key for those restrooms and they open them and close them for the practices and games. I have asked them for a schedule. They actually were going back and forth an email today. Um we just need that schedule so we know when to clean the bathrooms and when to stock the restrooms. So I think there's been just a they kind of jumped the gun and maybe unlocked them too quick and we just didn't know about it yet. So um I have not actually heard there wasn't any. So I'll make sure that gets stocked here soon if not tomorrow. Um and then we'll make sure we're on the same I know I think if they didn't provide the schedule they're going to. So the soccer club has their own shed up there. I mean that's what I meant. Like if you just keep a

but that brown shed behind the pavilion is the soccer club shed so they have access. I mean they could store it in there themselves. Yeah. Just in case somebody's not there, you know, to stock it for them, they would have it on hand. Yeah, we can do that. Thank you. Okay. And then um my other thing was food trucks at Radcliffe. There was a couple days where we had them come. Um, I would maybe like to see it again. Okay. Yeah, I'm considering it with the cafe and hot food options now. I'd hate to deter from uh my revenue generator there.

Uh, not that actually the food trucks do generate a little bit of revenue because we we did charge 10% for them to be there that day. Uh, so not that they didn't generate any revenue. Um, but no, I've actually gotten a lot of requests for it. So, it's probably something we will do. Um, I'm also working with the DDA on the food truck Fridays in the downtown and looking to do that more regularly throughout the summer. So, it's kind of a balance of how much, you know, food trucks can go around. But, um, I might take a little bit off from doing the food trucks at Radcliffe just to let the hot food at Radcliffe take off. But, we'll see. I don't, it's not the question. How about movies in the park with the food trucks? Yeah, true. Well, actually, necessarily have to be at Red Cliff, right? You could make Right. I'm just I'm just thinking you got movies in the park. Might as well. Why not have a couple food tours?

Are we going to do movies in the park this summer? Well, I guess so. Originally, Movies in the Park was taken out of the budget. I am looking forward to put back in. I did leave a little bit of money in our proposed budget for next fiscal year for it. Um, but selfishly, I'm putting it right next I want to move movies in the park right next to my new concession stand at City Park and then have people purchase concession stands from there while they watch the movie in the park. So, uh, we might not do food trucks there either. Well, no, but I mean at least we're thinking at least we've already thought about it, right? Yeah. So, actually, I would love actually me and Mike talked about it having Movies in the Park on Diamond Five on the outfield of Diamond Five. So, right next to the concession stand, right? Yeah, it's really close to the concession stand. I haven't been there yet.

I'm good tonight, Steve. We talked about most of what I was going to mention. The only other thing I'll say is I appreciate all the social media posts for the various events. I do try to like and share those. So, thank you for all of those. Thank you. I have nothing. I have nothing. I need a motion to adjurnn. I make a motion to adjurnn. I need a second. All in favor? 90. Yeah. Nay.