County Commission - Regular Meeting

kids. Okay. Thank you. Welcome everyone. Appreciate you being here, Haley. We'll since we've got limited time, we'll just get right into it. Go ahead and we'll turn the time over to you.

Hi. I've never done this before, so Let me speak right here like like this.

Okay. Okay. Hi, I'm Haley Johnson. I manage the Scotsman Center in Mountain Green. I'm representing Scotsman Holdings partnership. Um Craig Whitmire should be on his way. Shad Guffy wasn't able to make it. They're the main managing owners of that um partnership. And then I also organized the fair, but that's unrelated. Um, so, uh, we've been doing farmers markets. You guys, you've all heard of our farmers markets that we've done in Mountain Green. I want to say we've done them for going on five years now. Um, it started out as just kind of a fun idea um that I was doing with, you know, the people that we had there. Um over the years we've learned a lot about you know business licensing and you know bringing vendors up to date with being compliant with that. Um we've learned a lot about you know the health department rules with vendors and etc. I could go on. Lots of lessons learned. Um, we've gotten to the point where after so many years, we have grown the market to where, you know, I've hired on a vendor coordinator and we've maximized the spaces that we have available at Scotsman Centers for a parking lot, especially with some of the storage developments that we've made. It's just made our spaces a little bit smaller. So, we have no problem getting vendors to this thing. Um, unfortunately after years of trial and error and growth, we still have kind of the same line of visitor numbers of maybe like 300 visitors throughout 4 hours, right? And it can be and that's that's a good day, you know. Um, it can be as low as, you know, 150 or so. And a lot of this has to do with people attending and it's a lot of the same folks in the Mountain Green and Morgan areas that

have come again. And so we've realized we really need a a tourist pool in order to keep our vendors that we have returning and make it viable for them so they're actually making sales from new people visiting the market and not just our same returning supporters. Um, so that's why, you know, last year polling our vendors, it was suggested a few times to hold it at Kent Smith Park just because of the great visibility on Old Highway Road and the direct flow of tourists from the canyon to Trappers Loop. Um, so I wasn't sure if this would be a possibility. We went about putting it together. um talked with some people in the planning department, talked with the fire department, talked with the sheriff, you know, got it all put together. Um we were actually issued the temporary use permit, but it sounds like that was against policy and we all kind of learned that on the back end. Um and then that was revoked a few days later. Um, I was originally going to meet with you guys to ask for sponsorship of the event and then when we had to pull back the temporary use permit and kind of revisit everything, um, I kind of just want to have a conversation and see, you know, why is an event like this not allowed at Kent Smith? I'm told it's because we're a for-profit organization. Um, is that open to change? Um, I just want to understand some more and then explore some pathways forward because we would love to have this be something that benefits the county with, you know, the tourism coming into the area and the small businesses here. I think we have a lot of great things to share.

That's the premise.

Comments? So, it's my understanding that the issue is that our county code does not currently allow um forprofit businesses at our at our like parks and facilities. Is that I believe it does. Oh, okay. I think our ordinance allows it. So, do we know what the issue is with the permit?

I think that's a judge question. I can tell you, but it's better coming from here. So, my office issued the temporary use permit based on the temporary use permit section or code. Uh, after it was issued, I was approached and told that county property can't be used for that. So, because of that, I revoked the permit. And who did that come from? And maybe I can Can you guys hear me? This is Garrett. Yes.

So, um, and this and this is probably more my fault. I remember having a conversation with Penny a while back and we were discussing um certain of our venues being used for forprofit and the discussion about well under our business licenses you know we can't use county for um for profit I've poured through the code I don't see that but when I was talking with Janet earlier today I think what the the biggest issue would probably be is that the temporary they use. It talks about, you know, the ability to do farmers markets and various other things and it comes down more toward uh premises liability and what the county is willing to do. So, similar to the airport where people came in and asked if they could do an event at the airport um because the the county owns the airport and it's not um I guess exclusively open to the public to host events that there's some sort of negotiation that would take place and we've already kind of revamped the the process at the fairgrounds and we think that that would be good to do something similar over at the Kent Smith Park. Now, the reason I guess that my uh red flags were going off a little bit too is um we had a conversation I I was with Kate at the time and she called called who talked about she's got the wreck things going on at that same time and there's already a parking issue and I think it just exacerbates the parking, the safety. Um, as you all know, we worked hard to get that speed limit down during the time uh or or on that stretch because someone died just right in front

of the Kensmith Park on Mother's Day last last year. And so it wasn't from our perspective a no-go, but uh can we get our process in place and get permission not as a land use issue only, but as a property owner issue, get an agreement in place similar to what we do with the fairgrounds. So that's my perspective. I don't know if that's helpful. Um and maybe Kate can weigh in a little bit more as well. Yeah, to expand on that, I think like you said, the key thing was the intent of the online registration was for graduation parties and family reunions and and that's why the price was so dimminimous. When we allow commercial use of the airport or the fairgrounds, the fee is much higher and there's a lot of um like the liability insurance has to get turned in, the permit or the deposit for damages. We've just never had this ask of one of our community parks before. So, we didn't have the process in place to do so that I felt would protect the county from liability. And plus, it again, like it was never in the intent for someone to be able to to have a a giant event, the fair at one of our parks for like 35 bucks to use the space. that wouldn't cover Lindsay's time or toilet paper use, water use, um, if we had to set up like

parttime sheriff, ambulance. I did want to clarify too, we the event is insured and we would have an additional policy onto our normal commercial liability policy of a, you know, it's a we have as a business a $1 million commercial liability policy and we would actually pay an additional $500 for those three months to add on an off-site location like the park. Um, and then we did and I know this doesn't matter as much because Kite this hasn't been asked before. Um, but I did go on and book those times because it just wasn't marked, you know, available or not available and it's cuz no one thought to, right? And so I went and checked, was it available? I booked and I paid for all those times and I think the total was in the realm of like 400 something cuz I booked field one, which is the near field, and I booked the pavilion for like 4 hours. And um my intent was never to actually operate on the field because I don't want to damage the field. I know how hard public works gets to keep their grass really nice. I actually live right across from the park and so I am directly impacted by a lot of the traffic from the wreck program and like I see a lot of that firsthand and um that was one of my main concerns with holding it at the park and I talked with um Golden specifically about that. Um, so I I don't I know that it's not perfect place, but I feel like it's the best place we have so far. Um, and I really want to again keep that discussion going.

I also think that this is a good thing for the community as long as everything is thought of ahead of time. That that's my perspective is that, you know, from it wasn't a the more I've looked into our code, I don't think it's a hard no. It's just what needs to be done to make it a a positive yes without some of the liability concerns. And and Haley, I appreciate, you know, that you'd extend it um with inflation. I I know Robert McConnell when he was on, he's like, you know, 1 million doesn't go very far anymore. And so I I think we want to work with you, you know, just make sure that that everything would be covered if something like this were hosted there as well. So there

I probably should have had I probably should have thought to submit that with it. I guess I just thought I'd get the permit first, then once I'm approved, I'll get the insurance because I didn't want to buy the insurance if I wasn't for sure able to hold it at the park. But yeah, and I I could provide that too if that wants to be looked at and scrutinized. So, I look at it kind of like the airport, you know, we didn't have the ask. We had the the the kid that did it last year was kind of the guinea pig cars with the cars. I was, you know, and I think it was a great thing. I'd like to see more things at the airport, use of the the county facilities and it sounds like you're kind of the guinea pig on the park usage for for profofit. And

I tend to be the guinea pig with a few things. So I I think we just kind of have Garrett look at it and we move move forward is make sure that we're covered and and I I think it's a great use for our parks and and maybe it's being people using other parks for other activities and things like that. So thank you. I appreciate that. If I can brag, someone told me from planning department my proposal was a slam dunk. I love the idea too. Um however that is right during prime soccer season. I have that concern. Does that affect the games going on? I'm kind of curious. Like we were talking, we were talking last night about Enterprise Park where they really can't do a lot of ball games. The Enterprise Park is open and has parking and

you know, it's not as visible as Kent Smith, but I think conversation is most important. In a perfect world, we'd run them at the same time because I'd have a built-in audience of buyers, right? But there's the parking doesn't support that, right?

Needs a little work. for example, we need stripes painted in order for the parking to work well because they're pretty faded. Um, that's where the discussion comes in. In in my preferences, I would love if I could talk with whoever's in charge of wreck and say, is there any flexibility or leeway with games that day that we could hold our park, you know, earlier during these hours and then like games later during these hours? And if like, hey, that's a hard no, then I need to look and reevaluate and say, okay, is there the need for a Friday night market? Is there enough traffic going through? Would a Saturday afternoon or Saturday evening market work? Would a Sunday market work? Like, I'm willing to look and make those adjustments. I'm I'm definitely not looking to replace Wreck. I've got two kids in Wreck right now and my co my husband's actually coaching one of their soccer teams.

So, we want it to work.

Another idea I was just stewing over this because it because your farmers market is great. Um, and I don't even know if this possibility, but the road is it 5,000 West. It's right ne next to Golden West Credit Union. I mean, a lot of counties and cities shut down streets and do a street/farmer market in the street. Um, there's that section of street right there that, you know, there's more than one entrance into Rome, but and it's right across from Le. I think doing some like taking this step to the park is a feels this year like a big enough step for me. totally open to that in the future, but like I wasn't definitely looking to like impact so many communities because I I want it to be successful. So open to looking at it. Would hate to impact anyone negatively. I don't want to block anyone's road to their house.

Well, there's another way around. Yeah. Okay. Open to it. Definitely. Mr. Chairman. Yes.

Miss Bling, um I have a question. Can we possibly use or not use, but may we look into possibly using see if the owners of the corner lot um across just east of Sinclair if they would be willing to maybe accommodate some something like this on that sat on those Saturdays for a short period of time. um and provide parking and a few other things at least for now. That's you do property.

Um I don't know if that's that's on No, I don't mean on the U dot property on private property on the other side of the fence. Big empty supposed to be all commercial. I believe so. We're between Golden West and UD. Isn't that LV3? Yes, that's correct. PV3. PV3, not LV. Yeah, PV3. So, not that dirt spot, but like a little further east. It's dirt. It's It's dirt. I got to think. It's right across from where you It's right by the road I was just talking about. I used to post a sign on there for the It's commercial. It's Town Center. Okay. PV3. PB3 owns them, too. That we put that banner on.

So, we've had permission in the past to post a sign there. Um, but no, I haven't we haven't heard back from him for this year on that. What would if they were to do something on private property as far as the county is concerned as far as just a temp a conditional use permit or something like that? Is that all we would be involved with then?

No, it' still be an a special event temporary use permit. We would just have to have an owner's affidavit from the property owner stating that he's good with it. Uh, can't process a land use application without the owners. One of my concerns is a lot of the private because we are looking into some different private properties in the area just in case this wasn't an option. Um, unfortunately a lot of the private properties there are either developed or completely untouched and so it takes a lot of the beautifification factor and the attraction factor out. Um, vendors can be pretty picky with their supplies and their materials. It makes it harder to bring them if they're going to be putting on top of dirt. I know this because we tried to hold them in our horse arena and they wouldn't come. Um, the nice thing about the park is we do have installed bathrooms. We do have installed parking spaces. Um, logistically it makes it a lot easier for us to try something like this. Um, and then we have trees and shade and grass and a park and you know, I think it adds to the image that we want to provide for Morgan County, too. um with a with a tourist angle, you know, that's something we want to show off. I think that asset.

I think another quandry we had is since we are in the middle of negotiating that lease, that long-term lease, we didn't know what condition the park was going to be in. like we knew we would going to be leaving alone the um the soccer fields but we didn't know how messy it was going to be when we put in the additional parking and I can work with that. I ran three markets I ran three markets last year in the middle of construction for Scotsman storage. I can work with that.

Well, I think I think we need to have a discussion after um Garrett tells us what we what parameters we can work within and and go from there. I don't think any of us are opposed to to the idea how to make to the idea.

Could we just modify down the um fairgrounds one that you wrote? Actually, I at the time I redid the fairgrounds and like we from what I heard from other employees is that we've got other parks with bathrooms and things like that and keys go missing and that we really just need one vendor agreement that covers all those details and we can fine-tune it to match the event or what else it is. But yeah, I think it'd be super easy to do that.

Yeah. I will preemptively. Um I I do have a concern with sponsorship from the county. I don't know if these guys do. I'd have to be convinced on that on a for-profit. I I think every business in Morgan would love to have a $2,000 sponsor for their business. I understand. So, um I that's just my own personal opinion, but I would note that we do have I agree with you. I would just note that we have um we do have some business grant opportunities through our economic development and that could be an opportunity to to apply for one of those grants.

We actually did we applied um three year past three years. First year we were awarded um the second year we were denied and then this year we were denied as well. Okay. So that may be something and especially I mean maybe maybe that application changes if the location's changing or maybe have specifics about that. But anyway,

I wonder if you know even this is something that we could team up with the tourism department. I know some of the goals I don't know if there's any funding available there. Um really because the first one's an experiment. I I don't want to come back asking for money every single time. I want the first one to be a really big bang. I would mostly use the funding for like radio advertising outside the county with I think it's case 101.4. But again, I backpedalled on that pretty hard when I wasn't sure if we were going to be able to hold it at all. So, I'd be happy just to have it there. Well, I just I'm I guess I what I'm saying is everybody would love $2,000 of advertising, of course,

for their business. So, so that that's my only concern. I think that would have to be done through the through that grant process, not through the commission. Commission it. So, and just there there is also one one option that you can do and that is is is as long as you get it on the calendar, our tourism department can have it advertised through that. And that's about all that could happen at that point is they can at least put it on the agenda or on the calendar for events coming up. That would be wonderful. That's a good idea.

And I've talked with Becca Nelson about that a little bit. We would love to get started on something. We're just kind of waiting till things are more decided. And I do have a map if you guys want to look at it. Was that included, Kate? My the packet I submitted for this was it doesn't totally apply to what we're talking about today because it was originally going to be to ask for sponsorship. Um, but if you in case you guys haven't seen the plan, that's what we're looking at. And I apologize, it's not facing true north. The top of it is actually the west where the mountains are. I was worried about that. Canyon. No, I'm kidding.

Losing sleep. I was just going to say Justin um did bring up the farmers market at our last economic meeting. Um, and we did, we were toying around with ideas on where it could be held. We also talked about the kitchen has that huge parking lot. I looked at that. Did you look into that? I haven't talked to them cuz they're the owner is very businessfriendly and wants to help the county out a lot.

That was on one of my brainstorm ideas. I haven't approached them yet to talk about it. Um, again, I wonder if it's not quite enough space and a little tricky to access it. I have to restart my planning. Yeah,

I know I know Val Paul is the uh developer of the Canude commercial and can view commercial west. There's not a lot of development in there yet. And it was mentioned about closing down streets. Maybe approach Paul. It's not a bad place to close down streets. Actually got I'm not off the top of my head where that is. That's where the kitchen is. Oh, that's where it is. Okay. Yeah. Possibility. Just different possibilities. Less favorite, but possibility. I know. Anything else? Thank you guys for looking at this. You bet. I'm excited.

Okay. Well, thank you. Appreciate you coming to us. Okay. We got five minutes before meeting starts. So, if you need a break,

I would. Yeah. So he can look that over. Good. Continue. Interesting. And we can't and you can't go back in for a lawsuit.

How do we make how do we help you be successful?

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What is that? It gets bigger. Father comes. Yes.

Oh yeah. Thank you. Good afternoon everyone. Appreciate everyone's attendance. We're um grateful to have those that are on online with us. Thank you for being here. And uh we're going to go ahead and get started by an invocation. I'll give that and then I'll lead us in the pledge of allegiance. Father in heaven, we approach this afternoon. give thee thanks for our blessings. We're grateful, heavenly father, for our freedoms and the ability to worship how we would like. We're grateful for this beautiful community in which we're able to reside. And we pray that we will take care of it and do our best to make decisions that will benefit our residents here. We're thankful for all our residents and all the time and efforts they put into this county. We are grateful for all our our uh employees here as well that are so diligent in their jobs. We ask that thou would bless our county, bless our nation, bless those that are at war right now. Pray for peace in this turbulent world. Pray heavenly father that uh we can get more moisture. We are grateful for that which we have received. And we say these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Please stand.

I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. Consent agenda items. Has everyone had a chance to go through that laundry list? Yes.

Okay. Any issues? Anything? Blaine? Okay. I'll look for a motion then. Mr. Chair, I move. I'm fine with it. Mr. Mr. Chair, I move that we approve the consent agenda items as listed. I'll second it. Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Blocker. All in favor? I I. Any opposed? I. Is that an I for opposed or I for yay? That was an I. Yes. Okay. That was a yay. You're on a You're on a delay. So, that was an I.

Okay. any uh conflicts of interest this evening? No. Blaine? No.

Okay. Now's our time for public comment. Um if you could keep your comments to 3 minutes. Um if come up and state your name and and share with us anything that you'd like to now is your time. Okay, seeing none, we will uh go on to our presentation. Jeff Per Perkins, if you want to come forward. Thanks for being here.

Thanks for inviting me. Appreciate you guys. I'm Jeff Perkins with the state of Utah, Division of Air Quality. I work in the atlas se section and we deal with air toxics, lead and asbestous. So we oversee the asbestous industry and we also oversee all demolitions and abatements in the state of Utah. We uh our main focus is making sure the regulation the state and federal regulations of asbestous and lead base paint are followed along with dust control. So we regulate the asbestous communities and the demolition contractors. So there are basically three state or three rules that we deal with two federal theira which is asbestous in schools na which is commercial and public buildings those are both EPA regulated and then we have the Utah asbestous rule which has been codified by the legislature that we enforce So and the steps that we follow is we don't take any samples. We just regulate the asbestous community.

I don't know if you guys know all the diseases that can be caused by asbestous that are messed, lung cancer and asbestosis along with colon cancer if you ingest it and other things. Lead based paint, it's particularly harmful for children. the brain development, high blood pressure in adults and other things. So, and I was asked to really talk about in relation to the county building. Is that correct? So, I'd like you to touch on um a little bit. Sometimes when you say lead, say asbestous, say mold, everybody, you know, freaks out like it's

Yeah. And that's and so that's that's what I I'd like you to touch on that because some people don't understand that it has to be disturbed and airborne and stuff to

Yeah. There's asbestous all all around us and as long as it's in good condition, the only way you can get a disease from asbestous or lead is by ingesting it. So it has to be made into a on asbestous it has to be made into a fine powder and the only asbestous that's regulated is the fryable asbestous which is you can crush it with your fingers. So that would be drywall the ceiling tiles and that kind of thing. There's other kinds like category one which is resilient floor tiles, mastic and gaskets, roofing materials. Those materials unless they're made fryable through grinding, cutting, they are not regulated by the EPA or state. So any bay can remove those fry regulated fryable.

So VCT can be removed by anyone. Yes, as long as they don't use power tools to grind it away and and mastic as well. Mastic as well. So, the cut back. Okay.

So, there's no notification on category one. Category two is a little bit more of a gray area and because it's it needs to be removed by a asbestous company but it doesn't need to be we don't need to be notified. There doesn't have to be uh a full setup containment around it. regulated fryable asbestous containing material. There has to be certain procedures followed. has to be taken care of by Utah certified asbestous company and it has to be in containment by certified supervisors and workers and they have to follow all procedures as in relation to R307 801 which is the Utah and our whole goal is to protect human health in the environment. So that's That's why we oversee all these companies that do the work. But the first step on any renovation or demolition job is to have an asbestous inspection performed. If you're going to say for instance disturb greater than three square feet of that wall, you need to have it inspected and it can be beforehand by a Utah certified asbestous inspector to and he takes samples and he can say okay this is asbestous free. If it's not speestous free and it's regulated speestous containing material, it would

have to be abated. So the the best thing to do in a building such as this is to have it inspected and so that you have an inventory of all asbestous containing materials in the building and their condition. And those only have to be updated once every three years. That way if your maintenance supervisor you have a water leak or something, he can go ahead and take care of it confidently that okay, this is not as best containing material. And that's where a lot of public and and private entities get held up is they just assume well this is new material and the Utah specialist rule and the niche dictate any commercial or public building you have to have it inspected beforehand. So the

I think well I was just going to say you know the buildings that I construct for the school district I have to send in samples before the projects leave one site carpet the mastic sheetrock sheetrock uh the mud the tape ceiling tiles even though that really shouldn't be there we still have to send samples in so that that travels with the building because they are portable. Yeah. Um, so they can track what is it's considered a demolition in the state of Utah. So even though you're just moving it from one school to the other, you do have to have that inventory materials.

So even now I just saying for the public like even a brand new building, I every year I'm supplying samples so they can track any sort of asbestous that may be in those buildings. Yeah. So I so I had a um conversation with one of our contractors in that I was under the impression that we could remove VCT without disturbing with not mechanical. Mhm. Um and then we can encapsulate a mastic with an embossing leveler. Yeah. And not have to abate that. Yes, that's correct. All right.

But before you do any of that, you do have to have an asbestous inspection done on that those items because the inspector will say, "Okay, this material has even if it's vinyl tile, if it's degraded enough that it might become fryable, then it becomes a regulated asbestous containment material."

Okay. But as far as yeah, if it's a category one or nonbestous containing material, yeah, you can go ahead and remove all that and take care of it. Okay. So, do you guys have any questions for me? Is

so the state comes and inspects it if need be. Is that who we call? We in No, we inspect the inspectors and the abatement workers and the demolition contractors to ensure that they're doing the procedures correctly because the rules and procedures are there. It's been found that that's the best way to protect human health in the environment and not suffer, you know, lasting consequences because the thing with asbestous is it's about a 20 year on average lead time before you develop symptoms. So you may and no level of asbestous uh exposure is accepted. Some people can just take a whiff of it and they get complications. Other people they can't. But it's so it all has to be taken care of correctly.

So those are independent contractors that we hire. Yeah. They do the inspecting. Yeah. And if you ever need to hire somebody on our website, if you just type in to your search engine Utah asbestous program, it has a list of all the state contractors that are certified with us. And they do have to be certified and keep those they have to yearly up uh certifications, renew those. So, thank you. Any other questions you may have?

And you can go about it two routes. If you're want to do the whole building due to budgetary concerns, you can just say, you know, if we're going to renovate this room, the inspector would come in and just sample this room and say, "Okay, it's clear to go or you need to remove this before you can renovate." Okay. Do you need me to say anything to Blaine?

Okay. So, um, apparently what kind of square footage has to be, uh, tested? I mean, each room, is that how it's considered? By room or by what you do because they're similar materials throughout the building.

Yeah. If you're doing the whole building, take these ceiling tiles for example, the inspector would come in and say, "Okay, these ceiling tiles, I have them in this room, this room, and this room." And under a Hera, there's a formula for sampling. You have one to a,000 square feet of homogeneous material that requires three samples. One to 5,000 square feet requires five and anything over 5,000 square feet requires at least seven. So they would come depending on the size. If it's just this room, you know, we could figure out would we take three samples of that miscellaneous materials like sheet vinyl, vinyl tile, um they just require two samples. roofing materials. And once you sample the building, you can you can update that every 3 years or if you bring in new materials, you can add that to the So, it's not like they have to come in and resample all the every so on cost with a three-year maintenance. He'd come in and say nothing has been added. Anyway, it's

okay. Any other questions? Just brings back bad memories of days sitting in asbestous training. Was just some of the best days of my life. So that you'll never get back. At least I got paid for them. Thank you. Okay. Appreciate your time. I can leave my cards with you. If you ever have any questions, give us a call. We'd rather prevent something through education than have to deal with fines and cleanups because cleanups can be hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars. And we'd rather prevent that than

not near as much as we would. Yeah. So yeah, if you want to just give them to Kate, we'll we'll get them from her. Thank you. Thank you. So I appreciate you.

Okay, that brings us to our action items. F1, we have the cheerleaders come forward. Hi, my name is Brenley Wimpy and I'm Capri Crowther. We're cheerleaders at Morgan High School. The cheerleaders will be providing a service to the county by putting up flags for Memorial Day, Flag Day, Independence Day, Pioneer Day, Labor Day, Veterans Day, election day, and we also put up flags at each fire department on 911. Um, these cost 35 for one flag um for all these holidays. In the past, the county has purchased 12 flags. Is this something the county would like to do again? And if so, how many flags?

Absolutely. Yes, we've done it. We budgeted for this. So, yeah, we would be happy to do that. I think we budgeted for 12. Is that correct? Okay. So, Mr. Chair, I'd move that we approve resolution CR26-21. Uh, a resolution approving the donation of $420 to Morgan High School cheerleaders. I'll second. Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Nickerson. All in favor? I I I Any opposed? Okay, that was an I. Ladies, did you two help get the couch off the M? Did you go help? Thank

I I'd like to shout out to the cheerleaders for going and picking up somebody else's garbage. Um, thank you for going and doing that. Um, being private property and somebody going and doing that. So, thanks for stepping up and doing it. Of course. Thank you for your time. Thanks. Thank you.

Okay, Brett. Okay. Good to be here today. Talk about fixing roads. Great passion we have in public works. been able to look at uh what we have proposed on what roads and even have a contractor in place to talk about uh getting them signed so we can go ahead and get these projects done. We looked at my list.

Yep. I've I've gone over it. Did everybody else go over it? Yep. Looked at the map, looked at the list, looked at the bid. Give you an idea. The only question I had is so we've got it split between was it account 19 and 20? So I guess we're collecting BNC funds on all of these roads. Yes.

So is there a reason that we split it between BNC and another account or not? just we this account was was set up to help us with roads just for the county because it is hard to keep up with how much work we have to do. So we used it last year. I think we were similar on the amount to do it. Um just enables me to to pave more roads, chip more roads. So this is this is part of that I'm right. It's a separate revenue fund.

Okay. So fund 19 is your county local option tax that you get from fuel sales and fund 20 his project line is BNC road funds. We pay for things like salt and other things out of BNC as well. Well that trucks and all the things that we have

put the budget in here somewhere probably already passed it. Yep. So, this is he he has a different line for salt and a different line for equipment. This is the project line that he's paying the amount I didn't get scribbled down fast enough. So, the 768150 is the line for fund 20 and the 19 is the project expense line for county mass transit. I guess I guess my question is if there's seven whatever 760 something.

Well, there's less than that in there now after buying trucks and trailers. Oh, yes. You bought that truck and trailer and Okay. We do have some more to pay on a plow truck and then I have a lot of little projects that we do that add up during the year. So, um, if if I do have a surplus in this one, then I could come back with an an extra project, um, an extra project that I think we have, but I'd like to pay it kind of conserve. See how the year goes and have a little bit left over instead of cutting it right close. So, I don't ever spend all of the highway projects, right? First part of the year, you know, salt, that's another story. I think we got a little extra. I don't think we needed any this year, did we?

Just trying to kind of wrap my head still around the B and C and all the different Yeah. out of line items. So, so there's we've spent money out of there that you approved earlier that doesn't show. That's the start of the January one. I know there's that the trailer came out of there and the truck came out of the city. Yeah. Just so we we might have some left over. We'll see how it goes. There's a lot of little projects I do that I patching and stuff that add up. So like to leave a little cushion in there. I get it get them on road to get fixed.

Yeah. To give you an idea, when I came here in 2018, we had uh about 22 number one roads, which are number one priority roads. I rate them from one to four, and you probably heard me say this a lot of times. Rate them from one to four. We're down to three number one roads that just have to be paved. We can't do anything else with them. Have to be paved. We've got some number two roads that I'd love to pay, which Hidden Hills is one of them is on this list. And so, we're really catching up pretty good. I'd like to get where we could chip roads and keep them together because we should chip them every 5 to seven years. We're not quite there yet, but um we've got a big project um that we need more than we have to do Silverleaf. Silver leaf is about a million two. I have to pay for the whole thing. Um cottonwood is about 700,000. if I was to pay that. So, um I'd like to attack them bigger projects going to take the whole budget, but if we can get if we can get caught up like we're doing on these on these smaller roads, we're getting closer or maybe we'll get some cog help to help us on the on say Silverleaf. So, give you an idea what I'm looking at in the future to keep some of these roads together. I think Silverleaf, if I have to, I'll I'll patch a little more on that like I did last year and then we'll see about paving it or maybe even part of it. But that's my tactic on on uh on getting ahead. Like I say, we had when I came here, I made my own list. We had 21 number one priority rows, and that's ones I couldn't chip that I need to I needed to pay. We've narrowed it down to three. We're going to do these this year. So, I think we're making pretty good progress.

This is great. Okay. You ready for a motion? Yeah, absolutely. All right, Mr. Chair, I move that we approve the Morgan County Public Works 2026 road projects list and award the bid to Staker Parsons for the paving and shipping. I'll second it. Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Blocker. Sorry, this is Garrett. Yes, Garrett.

Sorry about that. Um, Commissioner Newton, can I ask you to um just insert into your motion that in the contract with Staker Parsons that we'll send over them to sign that under 4.02, 02. We add a sentence at the end that says if the parties are unable to to agree to unit price adjustments for any year, either party may terminate the agreement by giving written notice to the other party no later than March 1st of that year. The reason that we'd like to put this in is in the past it was a year at a time contract that could be extended up to 3 years. This time it's a fully year contract that can be extended a fifth and I just wouldn't want us to get locked in if they were raising prices too high on any given year.

Yeah, that's great. So, I'll amend my motion to include um the language in section 4.02 of the contract with Staker Parsons as was discussed by the county attorney. I'll second it. Okay. Okay, I have a motion, an amended motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Blocker. All in favor? I I Any opposed? I Okay. Is Aaron here too or are you doing this solo? Solo.

Uh, this one you were looking at the old agenda, I think. Oh, this is the library door. Do I have this out of order? Okay. The only thing I need to clarify. Do you want me to not do F3? No, I just put them on order the in the packet access door systems. Right. There you go. Go ahead.

So, um, just the way it looks on the agenda, we're replacing the doors. These are just the mechanical uh mechanism that opens and closes the doors. If we replace the doors, it'd be quite a bit more than this. So, there's an old system in there that's a pneumatic system and air compressor. And I've actually replaced the arms myself. Ordered them in. I think they was $1,800 a piece just to replace them what, three, four years ago, I'm guessing. They just don't they never had work that great. You can't get them to work any better. Now they tell me they're obsolete. The the doors that we the same uh ADA doors that we have here in the county has been replaced from pneumatic to electric and that's what we're trying to do here at the library. So I don't think it's uncommon to do it but that just is for the mechanism. That's for new buttons on the side, new electric motors in the ceiling things from the doors, but it's the same door. just um

are they the only bidder that they're That's someone I can find that's willing to do it. It took took me three months to find somebody that's willing to do it. Finally, somebody suggested them if we could find another one, I'd sure get a price.

And was the plan to pull that from the library fund balance or is that coming from Well, um that we can take it from my maintenance money. I just get a little worried about spending it all. So, if you'll kind of make a note of that, if I run a little short, then we can say, "Hey, we we'll put an extra, you know, this much money." Capital improvement. Is that the fun? And that's normally what I'd pull it from is capital improvement, but that we don't have any of that this year. It's been spent. So, or going to be spent. So, that's the reason I'm a little nervous on budget in Forex. What what have we blown all the money on capital improvements already on? You guys have bid What's on there?

The I'm not supposed to I I'll get it right. The addition um the remodel in the recorder's office and there was one other thing that you guys have already allocated the funds for and that's exhausted it. It's exhausted and you've transferred money.

Yeah, that's the reason. Otherwise, I'd just be asking just to permission to do it. But I mean, I can use the maintenance fund out of 4161, which is county building courthouse, but just um I think we'll be okay, but I just want to spend this amount of money I didn't plan on, you know, in this. I I would say we just go ahead and take it out of there for now. Hopefully we we're okay by December, but if it comes down to the fall and we're we're running a little short, then I'll be asking for a little money to to compensate. But and we'll have additional because provide 110 volt electrical service to each store operated by somebody else. So J&J or whoever somebody

So there'll be an additional cost to the 6,000 for the electrical. Yes, we can pay that out of the same where the library fund is a restricted fund. Would we be better off paying it out of that and not trying to transfer it later if because if we have to transfer more into your maintenance fun maintenance budget? It would have to come out of the general fund balance. I don't think we can transfer from the library fund balance back. Yeah, I think you're right. So, and maybe we'll be okay. We'll just see how the year goes. I would suggest is paying it out of the library fund balance. There's there's more than enough there. If you could if you could do that. Okay. I think that's probably a good idea. The library because we've been talking about doing some upgrades to it anyway from that balance. So, okay.

So, Mr. Chair, I'll move that we approve uh the purchase of replacement ADA door openers for the library. Um the funding to come in the amount of $6,000 probably plus a couple thousand for electrical work. Um the funding to come from the library fund balance. I'll second. Have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Nickerson. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Okay, Brett, it's you again. Wow. Good night now. Okay. You heard about the disaster over to the fairground to the fair office?

Mhm.

We had a crazy windstorm. uh took the roof off of that little building and rendered it unoperable. So, we've been working on it ever since then, trying to figure out what's the best option to rebuild that, build a new office next to the building or go separate. and uh the commissioners u Newton and um Bond decided that maybe we ought to just make it separate because we don't know how long that that exhibit building is going to be there if we end up doing something different one day. Our plan is to build a new one. Of course, money is always an issue on all all stuff like this, but this is a great way to replace one. The good news is the insurance give us 41,000 for the old one

to replace it. So, So, will the 41,344 include taking taking it down, getting rid of it, and then the new cement pad and then installing this? We've already taken the other one down just on on our own dime. Didn't cost much little bit of work. It's already gone. We've already taken all the concrete off. There's a cement pad there just just a little bit to the south of it. Used to have the weightlifting for the fair. Be a great spot for it. I think it work out great for this. already electrical right there at its power. So,

and this building, if you notice in the bid, is finished building. And if we was to do it earlier in the year, there's possibility we could we could finish it, maybe save a little bit, but we'll be lucky to get it July 1st, even not finished some sometime in June anyway. So, I think we're cutting it close to get us a fair building. So, I think this is a great way to go. This is a finished building. windows, doors, pan uh panled inside, insulated with an air conditioner. There's two bids there. There one from Sturdy Built and there's one from uh Utah Structures which is if you notice off the freeway that's by Smith and Dance. Sturdy Builts up in Garland kind of closer to Riverside above Tmont. And I have dealt with them sturdy build a lot in my life and they have been excellent to deal with build Excellent chance. If anybody else has dealt with them, they are a little bit cheaper. I think they'd be great. They've been great to deal with. Um, talking with commissioners today with Commissioner Newton, we would love to get one on the fast track and try to get this in for the sound system. We've got to put uh all the grain for the for the sound system somewhere. We we really we originally thought in the exhibit building, but maybe the best place is in this building right here. More secure, but we got to get here to do it. So,

sounds like the insurance will pay for it. So, yeah, the insurance will more than cover it. Um, and actually, we'll end up with a a bigger office than we had in the past anyway. So, kind of a blessing that the 12 the storm did what it did. Um, and as Brett mentioned, time is kind of the essence. We met with the uh sound contractor today to walk through what that's going to look like there. And in order to get the the brains of the of this sound system, we'd like to place in that building so we can lock it, keep it away from things. But in order to get the sound system in on time, we need the building there as quick as we can so that they have time to do all that. So, yeah.

Um, there will be a little bit of cost. in addition to this for to to connect it to the power. Um, but there's still about $15,000 in insurance money that'll help and then we'll probably use a little bit of that money to to furnish it. We do have the desks and stuff that came out of the old one, but this will be a little bigger facility. Yeah. So, then I'd like to talk about uh taking some of that money and repaint the exhibit building and possible windows. I don't know. We can talk about windows and I and I did send Mike and Bon Price on those today and that's just an estimate. We can put it out to bid no problem if you if you want to go that route. There's 42 windows in that exhibit building. You can't see through one of them. They're they're bad.

They look like more than obscured glass, but I mean if it's going to be there a while, might be it might be an idea to replace that. But if we're going to knock it down next year, I'd say no. Paint's peeling pretty bad, too. At least the bottom about five feet of the building, the paint's peeling. Yeah. Quite a bit. And I did I did come up with a solution to take that paint off. High pressure uh pressure washer. Brett's crew can probably repaint the building. Um we we'd need to buy supplies to do that, which I don't think will be terribly expensive. And we'll have some some of this insurance money we can use. Yeah,

there's some repairs we're going to have to do to one end of the building where the old fair office was. When they tore that off, there was there was a hole in the wood behind it that we didn't know was there. So, we're going to have some work to do there. Um, and this really is, you know, the the the finishing of that is kind of separate from this discussion, but I wanted to bring it up tonight so that we can think about whether we want to at least move forward with talking about getting bids for windows and stuff for that building. Um, so every year we hold a a quilt auction at the county fair and the funding from that has been designated to be used for that exhibit building. We use that funding to build new cases and things like that. That fund we typically are putting somewhere between 12 and 15 or 16,000 a year into that fund from the auction. That's how much it raises. There's a current balance of $44,448 in that in that fund. So, I would like to explore get some bids on windows and see if we couldn't do that and do the paint on that building and we can pay for it out of that quilt fund. That's what it was designated for anyway.

When was that building built? Oh, 100 years ago. Yeah. 1947. It's it's very old. 1947. But to to replace a building of that size, I mean, we're talking several million dollars. So, I don't think it's something we can do immediately. Eventually, we want to and we'd like to do something with lots of restrooms cuz that's a a big deal, but I think until we can do that, we really need to keep this building in decent enough shape that we can use it for a few more years. I was just wondering if it had lead paint. Oh, the paint's been redone on the outside a lot of times, so I doubt it does now. Probably the very that thick coming off underneath 20 layers of other people. It might be better.

It's been repainted. I don't know how many times. Probably every 10 years for 100 years. The way it's and the way it looks, it's not falling down. It's been it's been uh reinforced inside. It's got steel inside beams. Have you really looked inside? Just go in there one day and there look at there's they reinforced with beams inside. So, I don't really think it's going anywhere. It's got a steel roof. Obviously, the windstorm didn't knock it down either time, did it? Not in 2020 when we had that big storm. and the other, you know, this winter when it knocked down the fair office. So, I don't think it's going anywhere. It looks at least sound from the inside. Yeah.

So, that is a separate discussion, but um if it's okay with the commission, I'd like to ask Brett to get some bids on windows to at least see what it's going to cost. He did get some preliminary bids. He did just white windows just from one bid and we'll bid it out. Obviously, it was about $12,000, which is less than I would have thought for that many windows for 40 windows. And that's installed 18. And those windows have trim around them. So, we can take the old trim off. They'll just place the new ones in and it'll replace the trim. Um, yeah, I'd kind of like to do colored trim on the windows, though, because I think it would look better than just stark white, you know, if we did black or brown or whatever. If you flush those, they call them flush fin. They've got a big fin on.

Yeah. not be take they they trim themselves. So what we'd have to do on that building is every every window has trim on it. We have take the trim off and then we could paint it then then it wouldn't matter. We wouldn't have to mask it off. We could just paint it over the old windows and then they could come in put in new windows and then trim it at the same time. That would be how I would do it if we get decided to do that. Yeah, I'm good with getting bids. At least get the bids and see. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So, separate of that though on on this item, sorry, we kind of took that on a separate discussion. It looks like the lower bid was the um sturdy build sheds in the amount of 26 26

265. So, Mr. Chair, I'll move that we approve the expenditure of $26,500 for the purchase of a new fair office building, the funds to come from the insurance proceeds from the um the old fair office building. Um, and also acknowledge that we will have some a few thousand dollars in in cost to connect the building to electricity, probably some furniture and and some furnishings. Yeah. But all of that will be covered by the $41,000 insurance. Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Newton. I'll second. Second by Commissioner Blocker. All in favor? I I.

Any opposed? Okay. Thank you, Brett. Thank you, Casey.

Hello. So, um, our new fire chief, uh, put together a recommended pay scale for our, uh, firefighters and EMTs. Uh this would help with retention and helping people to uh have a path forward in incentivizing them to get certifications, incentivizing them to stick around, be able to have uh better quality employees uh by incentivizing them with higher wage.

Do you have any questions? Do we have the list of what the current wages are on these? They're they're kind of across the board. They are they are all over the field, not across the board. Oh, because we have it down in Oh, never mind. Okay.

My question would be is is if if we institute this, what that'll change budget wise immediately. From my understanding of the budget, it's kind of a lump sum of money and we have so many unfilled shifts from January through today. I mean, we're talking as I go through the biggest increase was like a $131 an hour for one employee and a few cents. We're not we're not talking a ton of money. It's just what's happened is people were hired the same time when I looked into this. the same time, same experience, and they're two and $3 an hour different with no explanation. And this, like Casey was saying, we went through and this puts they can look at it say, if I want more money, I've got to go get more certifications instead of just, hey, you're my buddy, can I get a dollar an hour raise, which is what happened before. There was no other explanation for it. But the budget impact, I don't think's going to be, I mean, on it. an entire day. We might be talking 50 bucks, 70 bucks. In the grand scheme of the world, it's not going to be a ton of money. We have the money in the account, certain of that. And this is as much of a morale thing, too. And then when we're going to have to hire here shortly, experience and when people come in, and I went to every department around us that runs part-time to get an idea. I'd love for us to be the top. We're not going to be the top, but we're going to be in the top third, which is a good place to be. So, when we advertise, I think we're going to be able to attract some part-time people. I'm going head the bottom line. I'm going after some people to get some experience here. Also, we've been we have been losing a lot of our employees and having a high turnover in that uh department. And so being able to keep our employees and is

going to help us save money in the long run to be able to have them here and not have to put them through training, having to buy them turnouts, having to buy them equipment just for them to leave after 6 months. It seems like our one of our biggest costs is those turnouts because they're per person and they leave six months later. We just threw thousands of dollars out

four grand a piece. $1 an hour over a thousand hours, if that, in a year, is not even the amount that we spend on a turnover. And this is to to help retain those people to help be able to free up some time for the constant hiring over there as well. The other thing you brought it up, the first two items are new, so we're calling single row EMTs. Um, I thought a lot of years we're missing the boat with 70 to 80% of our calls being medical. So, if this gets approved, we're going to start scheduling EMTs, non-fire certified just to run the ambulances during the day. We have five people that are volunteers that are want to work shifts. We have so many shifts unfilled. I don't know what else to do.

Sure. No, I think this is great to have a I think it's a great idea, a plan. I think the future is eventually at some point to have we need obviously we need to get staffed around the clock at some point. This is a good way to do it leading in with the MTS. I don't have to buy them turnouts, but the wage is fair. There's only two apartments in Utah that are doing it right now and they're I just think that's where the future heads. Okay. So, right. If somebody, let's say, so if I'm looking at, I'm guess it's firefighter one, FF1. Yes. Yes.

So if somebody, so you know what your budget is, you know what your what your payroll is per year. If an FF1 come, do they have to come to you to get approved to do these other certifications to move up so that you know what impact that's going to have on your budget or can is it just kind of a free-for-all? Hey, I'm going to go get all the searchs I can and move. Does that make sense? Like that makes total sense. And um I just don't want to see like oh great here here's our path and then this mass not that we have masses of firefighters but you know

yeah that my hope is that they take advantage and they get trained but to go get some of these certifications will take you four to six months to get through the programs. So you can't go pound out five a year and get a four. It's just impossible to do. you you understand my question of like your budget's here and all of a sudden everybody goes and gets certification. So understanding how that works helps me to and especially part-time I mean

the part-time employees that we have are very separate. We either have full-timers that are doing a sides slide or we have very young ones this is their only job and you know as they move through it just they can't really stack and answer your question I mean it's gradual. we would we would know it. But the second page on there where we're paying the little bit extra for additional, we limit it to specific stuff. So they can't just go get whatever certification. It's targeted at what we need to function here. Does the fire department pay for their training and certifications?

We historically don't. It's never been budgeted for training. But the beauty is is uh Deputy Chief Olsson's an instructor at the Utah Fire Academy and the DTC and I was for 30 years and it's called supported training. So we're going to do it all in house. We did our new I sent you an email our new training alliance with four departments. So we already have stuff scheduled the rest of the summer. So all four departments will put we're going to instruct it inhouse. So, there's going to be no cost for instructors, no cost for equipment, and they're part-time. So, that's huge because certification is expensive. I know when I did it, Mountain Green paid for my certification. Yeah.

Which, you know, it's like four or $5,000.

Yeah. And we we don't we can do it in house. I don't see the sense that asking for tens of thousands. We're going to have to get training money for certain things, but between Dave, myself, and North Summit has several instructors. We have enough in-house that we can take care of everything on this list over three years. We can get everybody that wants to certified, which is better for service for, you know, our citizens because now we're people that know more. And in doing that, I think it helps project who is going to be taking these certifications, how that will impact our budget, how many um people can be in this class, and we know how how our budget is going to project over the next year, over the next two, three, four years.

No, that's perfect. That that was kind of my my question is kind of knowing where it's going, you know, what we can expect and those kind of things. So, thank you. You got a good idea. And then, you know, as the next few months for the next budget cycle, we should have a much better idea of uh but looking through it now, I'm certain we have enough money to see it through the year. For sure. Perfect. Okay. I can make the motion. Okay. Yes. Okay. I move we approve the Morgan County Fire and EMS pay matrix. I'll second it. I have a motion by Commissioner Blocker and a second by Commissioner Newton. All in favor? I I I Any opposed?

Okay, motion passes. All right, fire chief. I'll stay. Yes. So, first order, um,

sprinkler see where we're at. So, this is what we spent a bunch of time on. Um, this is where I think we need to be. So, you can read through it. Uh, what I've done was gone back in with the U RAP and all the legislative trying to follow laws and I've run it past the state and everything looks compliant right at this point. So many of you know in the business super expensive to throw sprinkling systems in. So this is the my proposed requirements for residential sprinklers. So we've hard defined the river plane that is not in high-risk or even moderate risk buoy. So right through it. Any questions on the details of the sprinkling?

I love it. It's great. The only thing I saw it's kind of like the one that I brought up to you about up hard scrabble. It was a you had east and it's west. I got that fixed. Right. There's another one. So it's just so it's just I think everything's great. It's just I saw this in the text says um beginning at Morgan Valley Drive and South and State Street, East County Road, then south on Morgan Valley Drive to 4,300 North. You'd actually be heading north. Okay. And so that south become north because then you go east and then you go south again. So yeah, I just saw that I was redo it. Um, perfect. I I think it's the only other question I had is um we don't have anything for Cudon. Is there anything? So Cuddon will just be the individual ones.

So it'll be that we'll just come and deal with it. Yeah. Case

by case. So there was no way to define to box it in without being a surveyor geologist. So we just for ease. So, it'll be the same if we go in and we just reviewed a plan um that's up near your house that's in Hayfield and that's not going to be required to have a sprinkler system. It's if once they start going up in to the canyons, we'll just use that individual rating system. But there was just no way to feasibly box it in. And I want it very clear so they're not like, well, is it this fence line or that fence line? And and I appreciate and when I met with you, Fred, I mean, very simple, very concise. I think it's easy for everybody to see. I mean, I I appreciate your work on this.

I thought there would be more WOOI in Mountain Green. No, the this really isn't going to affect Mount Mountain Green's got like 60% of our high-risisk on the the map. The original URAP map, you couldn't pixel it down. Yeah.

I'm like, whatever. But Mountain Green has their own fire district. They make their own rules as far as this. I can absolutely guarantee you they're not going to follow this. So it's but that's their that's their legal right. That's why I put on the back of that the very last sentence is they have the authority for there to it'll be approved by them not not us. So whatever they want to use for code is certainly up to them. And then the next the map. So that's the boxed in map. And we have another one from the high-risk WOOI that it just limits it and it shows I mean it shows the road going up into Cudon all green. But we just mirrored the state everything that they've done. The fire severity form that we'll use is the international Um, Louisie code as adopted. Um, Jeremy's already got it. Click and for the tab. So when we go to do the thing, it'll attach right into civic review. We got that from the Wasatch Fire District in Heber. They're doing the same thing. So again, we didn't try to reinvent the wheel, but we certainly made it a lot easier to post.

Yes. Simple. Thank you. This definitely provides greater flexibility. Um next steps I assume is this needs to since it is land use right or is it not land use sprinkler is not okay so it won't need to go to planning commission we can yeah the sprinkler code I believe is in one uh title 150 section uh the only things that go to plan commission are 155 okay so so next step is to get this into the form of a resolution of the code that's correct okay Perfect.

Yeah, we'll do an we'll create an ordinance and we will make sure that it's publicly noticed for a hearing and then bring it back at a future meeting. I like it. Okay. Thank you.

Then the next one is back to the zoning. It's a little bit related and I've talked to you a little bit about that. We're um 155 in our utilities we have talks about the zoning in the wells and then there's some language in there about on the page two about we've listed right in there IFC's required 120,000 gallons of suppression and what I would ask is that you can task staff to go to a public hearing to the planning commission the reason for that is I think we're going to have to change some of the wording and language with this map because house bill 215 and I just got this says says all wooi code supers the wooi code supersedes any local land use regulation or policy within local wooi zones. So now anything outside of that river plane is technically in a wooi zone. So I think we got to figure out a way to to word

the wells and all that so that it's in the plane. It's one thing but when we get in the woo zone I think we better clear that up. Okay. So that was the reason I would ask that we can go to planning commission because that is a land use and then so we can look at how that compares to our code versus the WOOI code and make sure we're not out of whack because House Bill 41 has forced us to follow the WOOI code or they don't pay for a fire if one starts here. So is that task to you? Okay. And you understand what Okay.

Thank you, Brad. There's one little section here at the north end of Peterson. Right at the top of that map that's not it's not in Mountain Green Fire District. It's it's part of Morgan. It's just a little small area there. But we probably need to add that the sliver. See those houses right at the very top of the map just to the left of that sliver. Oh yeah. So there's a little section there. Yeah. And that one would be one for ease because we can't box either side of that road off. We'll just do the individual ones. Okay. Makes sense.

Exactly. Right. Anything that follows that road back in even to culde-sac till the line doesn't fall in. Again, I just couldn't really do a a box. That made sense. Yeah. Because you wouldn't want to do just one side of that road necessarily, right? You you'd want to do both. Yeah. potentially because they're both in the that's why I think the individual rating just is probably the easiest way to deal with jobs and anything like that if that would make sense. Okay, cool. So, do we need a a motion on this to direct the fire chief and county attorney to work on a

staff ordinance? I don't know. We needed is that Garrett? It just be a direct staff specifically Josh's office because it does fall under 155 to prepare a text amendment. So, do we need to make a motion then? Um, yeah, I I think making a motion just makes it clearer if any resident has a question looking back like they did with the geohazard. Okay. All right. So, Mr. Chair, I move that we direct the planning staff to work with the fire chief on a text amendment ordinance regarding the fire sprinkler section.

I'll second. Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Nickerson. All in favor? I I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Okay. Have two public hearings now. First is going to be uh Lesie. How close we are to 6:00. Thank you all of you for coming. Right. That's perfect. Pretty impressive. That's impressive. Man, who does your agenda?

Good evening, commissioners. I'm here seeking approval of resolution CR 2620. This resolution will be making department adjustments, fund balance adjustments, grants received for the fairgrounds, library, and sheriff's office, other fund adjustments, and um other fund balance transfers to other funds. The fund balance adjustments have all been before you for approval in previous meetings and are noted on the resolution. Do you have any questions for me? Mr. Chair, I move that we adjourn the public meeting and convene a public hearing. Second.

Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Nickerson. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Okay, we're now in public hearing. If anybody would like to come forward and speak, please state your name and your address. And seeing nothing, I'll look for a motion. We'll move that we close the public hearing and reconvene the public meeting. Second. Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Blocker. All in favor? I I I. Any opposed?

Mr. Chair, I move that we approve resolution CR26-20 resolution adopting certain amendments to Morgan County's 2026 budget. Second. I have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Blocker. All in favor? I I Any opposed? Okay, motion passes. Thanks, Leslie. Josh,

the county commission directed staff to bring a text amendment forward that would amend the town center uh zoning district specifically to uh provide a means for uh multiple property owners to work together by submitting a joint development agreement or joint conceptual development plan. uh as well as to provide uh means to reduce the 35% commercial um if the commission deems that there's um more commercial than is needed in the county. Uh Janet drafted the text amendment and uh presented it at the last meeting. Um so I'll turn it over to her to kind of go through the text if if you'd like to go through the text. But the essence of the tax amendment is that it allows for the reduction of 35% commercial for multiple uh developers and property owners as well as uh what can what can be classified to do that

what Josh said. So there were changes and I don't think that my um summary got updated from the planning commission. So the joint conceptual plan, how I initially drafted it was that you guys could require a joint conceptual plan. I don't think that flies. Um so I revised it and the planning commission agreed. So I revised it. um that portion of the code amendment to be that if two or more owners with contiguous TC zone were looking for any deviation from the strict town center requirements and um they could and you know they could work together and provide a joint conceptual plan for the county commission. the county commission approves it and signs off on it, then that joint plan becomes incorporated into the separate development agreements of each owner. And so we're not making one owner contingent upon the other owner if they don't follow through. And you can't get your development agreement unless it conforms to the joint conceptual plan that was approved by the commission. And then the other part is the reduction from the 35%. And with that the commission has to make certain findings like it's not really viable where it's at. It's going to be disconnected to other commercial um things like that as well as instead of having the commercial that they're giving some sort of benefit. So like improved amenities like improved

public parks or trails as well as and I was thinking of one thing in mind is if you want to h make them have or negotiate that they have single family housing that could be a development standard that's an improvement as well. So, good job. By the way, I have a a couple of questions. Um, and I only, you know, read through really quickly, so if I missed this, let me know. Uh, is there explicit enforcement um or clawback to protect the county?

So, with the joint conceptual plan, yes. um because that's going to be incorporated into the development agreement and your enforcement provisions will be in there with the 35% allocation where it's going to be reduced that's going to be included in the development agreement too and I believe I put in there that as part of it has to So in development agreement um there's five requirements. One is establish enforcable performance standards, phasing requirements and completion timely timeliness. So, if you're getting the commercial reduction in the development agreement, we're going to require some phasing so that we get make sure we get our amenities with the rooftops.

And by phasing, you mean like x amount of houses once you've got the build permits for them, then you have to do part of this 35% before you can get permitted for additional rooftops. Not the commercial 35%, the substituted 35%. So when the state when the benefits must be delivered to the county. Yes. So the city

uh a good example would be Rome. Uh Rome split their complete basin development into roughly six phases. You had uh four residential phases and you had the flex units. Then you have the commercial. Um in splitting that up the amenities according to this would be divided per phase. So you're actually going to get amenities in the first phase. They can't just put in all the rooftops and then oh the amenities have come later. You want to capture a majority of the amenities within the first couple phases or you're not going to get them. And then with those amenities like in Rome

it's HOA right? So that's not open to the public. So is this saying does this lock in public access? like all of that would have to be defined in the development agreement. And um so you would have to stipulate as part of your negotiations for that development agreement how much of those total amenities uh would have to be public access in order to get the total number of dwelling units that they're requesting or to get to some negotiated. Okay?

Because their ultimate goal, I think, is to reduce the total amount of commercial, which is your leverage point. Um because the hard fast te town center text code requirements is 35% commercial and so you are changing the code to give them an alternative to reduce the commercial and so there has to be some benefit to the county and whether that's a portion single family to reduce um a portion certain percentage trails amenities like clubouses whatever you decide to negotiate that's really defined in in the development agreement and so it'll have to come out through the negotiations.

Is there a proportionality test? Like how much is the county going to lose from commercial compared to a public benefit? I don't know if it's so much how much commercial the county is going to lose because right now we have a lot of empty commercial that's not even being used. Like I I'd say probably 60% of all of Canyon View commercial

has been in 20 years like thinking forward. Well, not necessarily because you have to have rooftops to draw the commercial. So, unless there's rooftops, you're not going to draw the bigger commercial that you want in the county. And so, there has to be some give and take. You want commercial, you need the rooftops. And so, this gives you the opportunity in some of the earlier town center developments to reduce the total commercial to allow the rooftops to get here. You also don't want like isolated commercial surrounded by residential and the flow and traffic. It it doesn't make a lot of sense.

And when I was drafting it, I think like the improved trail system, like one of the developers is looking at that as like a pretty nice trail system that would easily be public. I think it's a trickier negotiation when we're talking club houses, things that the HOA is going to have to maintain. So, so if if if you have multiple developers and someone isn't playing nice in the sandbox, h how do you move forward with

the development? From what I've read in the town center code, the one developer that comes in good faith and gets a development agreement with you is not penalized. But the other who doesn't negotiate in good faith and doesn't finalize their development agreement according to the joint conceptual development plan is penalized and will have to go through the process again. So I read that right. Greg, you're not entitled to any of the approvals in the joint, right? It just just becomes disjointed if if they don't all play together. You know what I mean? And then we end up with town center here, town center there, town center. But at some point that one developer would have had to agree to a joint conceptual development plan.

Okay. So why I don't know why they wouldn't play nice in the sandbox if they've already signed documents saying we agree to this conceptually. Okay. That's that's that's and I don't think you have to reduce all the commercial to zero. I mean this is the ultimate goal here was to move the commercial more into one area as opposed to scattering it about. So in your negotiations with both property owners, you could say, well, we're not going to reduce your commercial because this is really the commercial core. This is where we want the commercial. So you have that kind of leeway as well. Okay. Thank you,

Mr. Chair. Just a minute, Josh. Janet, um I have a question on this is if within this town center for agreement, you talk about the amenities and all that kind of stuff that they're going to be basically going to give up or or they're going to provide. Are they going to provide potentially government areas, government building areas or whatever? Or what's going to happen there or is it only going to be parks

facilities? um institution is not really one of the things that Town Center is focused on. Town center is focused on multif family and commercial currently. And so in your negotiations, I mean, you can float an idea to them and they might say, "No, that's not really uh what we're looking for." I um really the the ultimate goal here is a develop a couple developers came here. They wanted to reduce the commercial because of all the commercial we already have that's not being developed and uh we were direct to bring this forward to give options to the commission to reduce that if they choose.

I guess the short to that Blaine would be that everything's negotiable but but we have to do it in good faith. That's true. And and with any negotiation, there's got to be some give and take. Sure. Okay. All right. I'm just verifying things. I think you've done a great job for putting this together. This is a great tool for the county to have. Thank you. Is this the greatest text amendment ever? No, it is.

These ones aren't fun. Um, you know, and Josh and I have talked a lot about it. the town center zone as it's drafted doesn't make a lot of sense. So when you're kind of bandating these

I'm going to make a comment maybe partially towards that. So I I served on the planning commission when this ordinance was written initially and one of the things that I advocated very strongly for was an even greater percentage of commercial and I'll explain why. There is very little property in Morgan County that is suitable for commercial development. You need flat ground. You need large spaces. There's just not a lot of property that's suitable to it. You can build houses up hillsides, but you can't build stores up hillsides very well. And so I advocated for a much higher percentage. It ended up at 35%. Um, which for portions of that area I think is probably too high. For other portions, I think it's far too low. I mean, for a real town center, there ought to be some areas there that are 100% commercial, if we're being honest.

Um, so I I support this cuz I like the flexibility and I do think ultimately we need a mechanism to be able to move that commercial into a centralized place. It would be one thing if we had, and this was the challenge that we dealt with and we have been dealing with from the beginning, is you have multiple land owners. They're all trying to do their own projects and and they're not always cohesive and and some of these land owners focus in the residential and some focus more in the commercial and some are kind of in between. So, I like this. Um, my only comment is I would strongly encourage this commission and any future commissions to hold strong on as much commercial as we can there because once that's developed in homes, it will never become commercial again. At least not in the next 30 years. So, let's just think about that when we when we approve these changes. If they come in and say, "Well, I want to, you know, remove all the commercial and put in some parks." Well, that might sound nice, but once there's a park there, it's not going to be commercial either. So, that's my only comment is let's preserve absolutely as much as we can for commercial in the best way possible. And I I realize you got to have rooftops to attract commercial. I mean that it's a give and take, but we're talking about designing Mountain Green City and we need to be cautious about how we do that. So anyway, that's my only comment. I support the the amendment here. I think it's good. I think it's well written, well done, and I think it will provide benefit. I just want to be clear for any developers listening or in the room, if you come in asking for significantly less commercial, I'm going to push back really hard on you. Thank you. Appreciate that, Mike.

Mr. Chair, I move that we move into a public hearing. Second it. Have a motion by Commissioner Nickerson and a second by Commissioner Blocker. All in favor? I I.

Any opposed? Okay, we're now in public hearing. Tina Kelly, Mountain Green. Um, I actually spoke at the planning commission meeting in their public hearing, but I don't feel that the planning commission summary says at all what I said. It says very well what the second speaker said. So, that's I'm sorry. That's why you're getting my comment. First of all, we'd love to have you.

Well, maybe not after this comes, but first of all, don't take this the wrong way. I appreciate everything that you do and all the time and work that goes into what you do because I know how hard it is. But Janet said something during the planning commission meeting. She said, "This was brought about because there was an area that the commercial didn't make sense and the adjoining property owners were trying to work out um how they would fit together." And that's That's what the hangup was on the two properties. Well, then don't reszone to Town Center if it does not make sense to have commercial in that area. And that's exactly what happened. The commission reszoneed that property to Town Center when it didn't make sense. I just wanted to say just once that I told you that didn't make sense. Don't take that to take that with sorry but I kind of went through the documents twice and um I didn't you talked about single family housing being one of the alternatives but I didn't see where that was provided for and maybe in your discussions you can talk about where that's provided for and you talked about um shall be subject to review and approval by the county. This is on page 414 in the doc in the document, but page 210 in your packet. It's item E shall be subject to review and approval by the county as part of the development agreement approval process or through a separate approval process determined by the county approval in the joint conceptual development plan. But I think I don't know at some point you should point out that it's the county commission because that's where the authority resides. It's it's not in the planning staff. It's not it's it's not it's with the county

commission. That's your executive authority. I think that's my opinion. Might be wrong. Um I liked that that was changed to may request and may approve and then where supported by the record. This is in page five of 14. The next page item D number one. Um talking about the reduction of the zero commercial where supported by the record and I don't know how you establish the record. I don't know. I think it's going to be subjective. That's my fear is that you're going to have these things that you want to have done. You're going to reallocate the commercial and it that's very subjective. We had a PUB ordinance in place at one time that that specified out percentages if you did this you you could cluster this and we got that and we had to take that out because it was subjective and there were arguments about it and that's why you don't get all the things in the cottonwoods that were promised in the cottonwood because it was renegotiated out. Um, next page. I liked this part. a reduction shall not be approved or the primary purpose is to increase residential yield density or project profitability because I think that's the only thing that the developer is going to look at is how can they make it more profitable not how can we make it a better community they can say things in a in a manner that sounds like that's what they want to do but I it's very rare that that happens

and then I liked the must provide a material and demonstrable public advantage beyond what would reasonably be achieved through strict compliance with this chapter. And then you go on to list what that those may include. I did have a concern. This is on page six of 14 number F. Um, you say that materially advanced cohesive town center development public benefits may include may include improvements, land uses or dedications located outside the subject property where such benefits demonstrabably serve the town center area or and it's the or that I'm concerned about implement adopted county planning objectives. this area that you're talking about that's affected the community is mountain green. It it's very much it's affecting your your tax base. It's affecting the tax dollars that you bring in. So by that you could say affecting the whole county, but making changes here is making changes and affecting the community surrounding that area in Mountain Green. Um maybe years down the road there'll be a town center in the other areas, but right now so I have a concern that that or implement adopted county planning objectives can be taken out of Mountain Green and the town center and be used somewhere else in the county to achieve a trail that's not connected to Mountain Green or at the fairgrounds or at one of the other parks. And I really have a concern about that or

what would you place there? I would strike or that kind of language leaves it's it's really subjective

and then I know that I'm I'm going to go over the three minutes so I'm going to finish up. Um the only place that I saw county commission was on the next page number six and it's page seven of 14. Uh, no entitlement. The exception, the exception authorized under this subsection is discretionary. Approval of a reduction requires written findings by the county commission and shall not be construed to create a right to a reduction. Approval or denial of a reduction for one property, shall not establish precedent or entitlement for any other property. And I really appreciate it that Janet put that in there because it makes it it tightens everything up. I'd like to see county commission in some of the other areas and I'm not the lawyer. So, I'm going to just finish it off there.

I read through the the rest where they and that shows this these words in the ordinance, but those were my main. Well, we'll ask Janet to address those few things. So,

Mr. Mr. Chair, I move that we adjourn the public hearing and reconvene the public meeting. Second. I have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Nickerson. All in favor? I I I. Any opposed? Okay. Janet, can you address those few concerns and see if that makes sense to change those so

items and add commission on that? Yeah, I think we need to add commission um after county anywhere that's in there. Um the single family homes, I didn't specifically like list that. What I thought incorporated that was under the eligible public benefits under sub a land use development type that single like requiring something outside of the requirements of town center. But I guess we could, you know, put like housing type in parenthesis. We could add that in there. Um, the paragraph on the public benefits may include improvements, land uses or dedications located outside the subject property. That was written specifically because the single family housing that it sounded like the commission wanted isn't in the town center zone by the one. But I think we can fix that by reszoning that town center so it's all included. But that was my one way of trying to make that work if it didn't get reszoned because that's not in town center. And

no, I can't. I suppose we could put a limitation in distance, right? Or within half a mile of the I don't know if that resolves the concern. What if they dedicate land that's a lot further away like Well, that's isn't that similar like transfer development rights? I I'll give you this and I get this over here. And I mean, I I didn't even think of that as far as like Well, you can talk over, but I want higher density. Yeah. You know, I that didn't even come to my mind when I was reading through this.

But I don't know that you necessarily have to articulate all of it in the amendment. I comes in with like the negotiation and the development agreement. And that's where I think I need the commission like to be fairly hands-on when we're doing those negotiations. I mean, I can do the legal part, but I don't know what you want, and I'm continually asked, "Well, what does the county want?" Like, I can make guesses, but I would just I mean, I the only reason I like it is to to raise a flag to me because I wouldn't have thought of it either, you know? I wouldn't to me it's it's a no-brainer that you'd be negotiating in that area. But, right,

but who knows? I mean, I guess if they brought it up, I might go, "What? Why would you why would we do that?" You know? So, um, of course you're going it's going to require the approval of the commission to to do that. Even if you had it written in there and wanted to change it, you could go change the code. You know, a future commission could change it and do that if they wanted to transfer it long distance. I don't know that you'd want to. I'm just I can't think of a good scenario where that would be the case. I agree.

What about striking the or is that Do you see a problem with that? It was the sentence after or, right? Not just the or I talking about striking from or onto the period. Yeah, that was under

I think I hon That's actually I think that's a good revision. Let's take that out. Then I know there was comment about, you know, it doesn't specifically say county commission when it talks about an agreement, but I think it should be noted that none of our departments are authorized to enter into agreements. Every contract that we enter into has to come to the commission. Even if it's a contract for $1,000 for a printer, it has to come to the commission because the only one authorized to sign that is our commission chair.

And so, yeah, I think we can make sure anytime it's refers to county that it's county commission and it is county commission in the reduction part limited exception. The county commission may approve a reduction or reallocation. I think that section is fairly clear that it's this all has to go through the county commission for that part. But I think under the joint conceptual it probably needs to be articulated.

Okay. Any other ones? Anything else? Commissioner Blocker.

So, do you want to rewrite this and then

put it or do we do it? I think it would be best if you have I think it would be best to revisit it after the corrections just to are minimal enough that I'm not can I'll agree with you because I'm already making them say pretty a strike here change of order there and it's in the minutes and concordance. So, okay, I'll look for a motion then.

Mr. Chair, I move that we approve the town center zone code text amendment with the corrections uh discussed with the deputy attorney. Second it. Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Nickerson and a second by Commissioner Blocker. All in favor? I I

I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Josh, thanks Janet for all that work and thank thank you. Uh we appreciate the public input. We really do. Uh the next item on your agenda is the Kenyon View Commons phase 1 condominium plat. Uh the applicant is uh Kelvin Jud. He is in the off in the audience tonight. The uh file number is 25.024 024 and the location is uh within the Canyon View Commons commercial west um at 5788 West Canyon View Circle. Uh the application is to condom minimize the uh five buildings which comprise 14 units so that each individual unit can be sold. Uh staff has reviewed the application. It has gone through multiple reviews and uh we took it to planning commission. Last planning commission they recommended approval. Uh their summary, I'll just read it for you. The planning commission heard this item at their regularly scheduled meeting on April 9th, 2026. Discussion from the planning commission included questions regarding outstanding county recorder comments and whether those comments should be addressed prior to the item being brought forward. staff noted that the application has been under review for an extended period of time and that the staff had been working with the applicant to bring it forward. Um the remaining county recorded comments uh can be addressed prior to recordation because it won't be recorded unless they're changed. Um and then um there was some discussion about the uh the benchmarks in the monument which uh are located currently in inside one of those buildings and we've been in discussion with the applicant. It will have to be uh remmonumented and um corrected as as

part prior to recordation. Uh, as far as taking applications forward um before all comments are addressed, uh, I think it's a disservice to applicants to hold it up until all comments are made, especially if they're minor in nature and can be made before recordation. I think the process for the applicant needs to move forward uh, in a methodical and timely manner. Uh, as such um, when I believe the comments are of a minor nature, I agree to put it onto an agenda. um that'll continue uh to help applicants uh receive a an answer in a timely manner based on state statute. Uh with that said, staff uh staff recommends approval. Um the buildings, they've already been approved through site plan and are being constructed according to that site plan. Uh this is basically just to condominiumize it. Josh, as I recall, when we did the site plan approval for this, we talked about the fact that they would be coming in to do this, did we not? The condominiumization. I That's what I remember at least.

Yeah, I didn't remember talking about it back then. But we may have I don't remember everything. Can you define condominiumization for me? Like, can I define it? Yeah, please.

Uh, it surveys a building in place, height, and location so that uh when it goes to a a title company or when it is sold, they uh any surveyor that comes back can locate that building exactly where it is. A lot of times condominiums are multi-story, so you'll have condominium on the bottom, a condominium on the middle, and the top. Uh each of those units has to be uh surveyable and identified. Uh condominiums are typically uh wallto- wall basically. Uh the owner owns everything inside. You own your space.

You own your space underneath. But this is commercial, right? Cuz when I think condominium, I think residential. No, it can it can be commercial as well. We had this discussion. No. So this one here is commercial. commercial, right? Uh but our code does allow live work dwelling units. Uh so as long as the owner or employee lives there and runs their business from there, um that that is allowed. We did some condominium cond it's hard to say.

We did some condos over by the airport. That's correct. A number of years ago I remember as well that it's very similar to this. They reflect spaces for commercial. That's correct. Yep. So is a reason is there a reason this wouldn't have been done like why is it coming now and not previously? Is there a reason or a process behind um now? Well I mean they could have done it then uh they chose not to. There's nothing that says that they have to. I was just curious if there's a process reason you

The reason is is this is a plat amendment. The previous uh application that came forward was a site plan which just talks about the design, construction, landscaping, lighting, things like that. So basically it's breaking up instead of like so if I was a purchaser I could come buy one unit in of the 14. I don't have to buy the entire structure. That's correct. Okay. That's the whole purpose. Just want to make sure I as I read through or they may have been thinking they were going to rent them and own them themselves, I guess. Gota. But basically, you don't have to buy the entire structure. You can just buy the one the space. It's kind of like buying your airspace.

Expensive airspace. Do you know if this whole commercial I don't know if you call it site plan um because it's kind of like the town center where there's so many different owners. Is there any cohesiveness like with green space or connectivity or anything like that or is it just

there's no development agreement for this um every property owner that's come forward. So Wildcat storage uh Cany Commons phase one, Kenya Commons phase two will be coming forward um in the future that's been kind of put on hold. We had a brown car wash that came forward. every single lot within that I've been requiring to provide the 15% open space that's required in commercial. Uh and of that 15% open space, 85% has to be plant material. They each have to um discuss how many parking spaces they're going to need based on our parking standards in our code and they have to provide those calculations on the site plan. Um, so while it doesn't have a development agreement, we do have commercial design standards and we do have commercial landscaping standards

and each lot individually will have to meet those. The one issue with this development is they agreed with UD dot to put in a light after so many um trips and UD do is getting kind of antsy. I've been called UD do a couple times now asking you know for to have Valpal call them. So I would imagine there's going to be a light there in the near future. And the sad thing is they want to put it in the wrong location in my opinion. It should be at a four-way not a not a T. I was just going to ask,

but the reason that they wanted it, the reason that it got there is because the other road was already in place for the first phase of the project. And so UD do have the ability to put it at the other location. They had the ability to insist on it there, which when UD do said they wanted that, we pushed back hard and the commission did because we said this is a stupid place for a stoplight if we're being honest. It's pretty when you got a four-way right there and you're going to you're going to back up traffic the wrong way. Yep. So, especially because at some point when the interchange comes into play, I don't even think a stoplight will be needed on that road at that location.

If they if they end up closing out that Yeah. Especially if they close the to to emergency vehicles only, they'll they'll keep the ramp. But anyway, so that's another I guess battle. But they did, the developer did put the conduit and everything in when they built the road. I know that. And I believe they've been collecting funds when they sell the lots. At least that's what I've been told. Yeah, because they have to cover the cost of it, right? That's correct. Okay. Any other questions for Josh? Uh the applicant is in the audience if you have questions for him. Any questions for the applicant?

Nope. Okay. Look for a motion. Mr. Chair, I move that we approve Canyon View Commons Phase One Condominium Plat amendment. I'll second. Have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Nickerson. All in favor? I I. Any opposed? Okay. Motion passes. Um, in an attempt to help Kent get acquainted with the process, I'm going to uh have him do the next presentation.

Commissioner, this next item is also a condominium project. It's residential in nature. It's file number 26.001 001 and it's a request for final plat approval for 24 condominium units over two phases. The county commission approved the preliminary plat for this subdivision in October 21st 2025. Um, county staff has reviewed the Cottonwoods Metal Park East phase 5A-5 and 5A-6 for the final plat and recommends final plat approval with the findings and conditions listed in the staff report. If you have any questions, I'd be glad to try to address those at this time or I'm glad that Josh is here to back me up. So, Uh, one of the conditions that was attached to this item uh, during planning commission was that before we would bring it back for a final plat um, that they would get approval from the uh, dam board, I don't know if you remember the whole dam board conversation,

uh, to approve the uh, new inundation line that was proposed We did get that letter from the dam board and they did uh they did approve it. Uh the only other issue with this before they can record um the way that they've divided the north part of this property, it um would create a remainder parcel. You can't really do anything. So they just have to adjust the boundaries northward to uh in incorporate the rest of those those parcel of parcels. Um, other than that, uh, there there weren't any other comments from the engineer um, surveyor. Thank you. Is it in compliance with the amount of open space it should have?

Great question. I was thinking, how do we know? Yes, it is in compliance. It meets the uh 40% minimum. uh the uh gardeners when they've brought each phase forward. I have reviewed the open space calculations and it appears that in some some phases they provided more and in some phases they provided a little bit less but the overall percentage is greater than the 40% that they were required required to provide this phase. Um everything not including the condominium squares where the building will completely fill that up uh is open space. So front yard, sideyards is considered open space uh for this phase it is. Yeah. And the other phase too, isn't it?

Uh yep. Yep. So I can go walk and meander in between everyone's properties. Uh it is owned and maintained by the HOA, which uh Yeah. Open space doesn't mean public space. It just means not not constructed upon space. Yeah. So So does the owner just own the condominium? Yep. The owner will only own only the structure, not even the land under it. Correct. Were there any amenities required in this section other than just open space? What's that? Was there any other like amenities that the HOA is providing or the developers are providing in this area?

Uh not for these two portions of the total uh phase five. I don't I don't remember the development agreement requiring any other amenities other than trails. And I believe uh if I remember correctly at the planning commission, Skyler uh Gardner did mention that um during construction trails would be blocked off while things were being constructed and then they would be connecting it around and it would be open again. It's a hot topic that open space. Uh yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of people that think that they own something that they don't too. Just throwing that out.

So to bring up the cottonwoods development agreement which was I mean a long time ago. So you know you bring up there was an equestrian center that was supposedly in there forever ago. How does this So there was supposedly things like an equestrian center that was promised. I think it was a shell that was in there for the equestrian center. Yep, it was a shell. Shell. So how does that come into play when you have say phase five here that they're only required to do open space, but yet we've allowed a shell to not be provided anywhere else in it. Well, that phase hasn't been developed yet. And that's why I'm asking the question. Yeah. So which phase was

I can't require an amenity to be constructed when the phase that it's in and this is so which phase was that? Phase six 2006. Okay. Yeah. And that's why I'm not told part of the problem with phase six is the elevations of that land are higher than the water tank can provide the pressure. So in order to develop in phase six and phase eight, you have to get a tank that's higher up. That's correct. I think that brings up a great point though and this was kind of talked about earlier too in the town center in the future when we do development agreements I think we need to specify some of these amenities need to be done in early phases and not the last phases as we move through and I think we I would highly recommend that

as we phase you get this at this point and this at this point I I would even be more specific to say you have to put in x number of amenities in phase one and you can taper it downward not upward So, so the more amenities number early on they are in yeah early and that's where I think so like my question as far as like the equestrian center I think a lot of people are asking those questions and so just so that it's out there of why you know the phase six phase eight those kind of things so thank you Josh what happens when open space is sold for example right behind the pond where all the trails are has been sold two different plots there

uh the development agreement allowed for that and that can be developed uh for whatever it was designated and I believe the ones that they sold are agriculture so right behind the pond that's not agriculture I think that's in phase nine that hasn't been developed and so while the concept plan shows it as open space it's not open Skyler is that phase nine right behind the the little pond. The little pond. Yeah. So, the gardeners are no longer owners of phase 9, phase 6, or phase 8.

Yeah. Yeah. So, Skyler Gardner, the representative for Cottonwood, whatever entity owns this, Cottonwood Meadows Village. Sorry. Um, yeah, specific to your question. So, that is a parcel of land. It was a parcel of land. It's within the boundaries of the development agreement, but it hadn't been has not been dedicated as open space yet because the phases that it falls within phases eight or nine have not been brought forward for approval. So they are when those sections of land are brought forward, they would need to comply with the concept plan and the requirements of the PUD overlay report.

So vacant. So those all those trails right there that the community the trails foundation built put in money can just potentially could just go away. Uh they could yes they are technically on private which

in the development agreement it says that you guys would provide the trails and all of that but these trails were provided I'm donating to myself by by the public by the community. You paid for them to be there but now I guess they can just go bye-bye. Well, they are on private property and when the trails were put in, they requested permission to put them in along with the insurance requirements that went along with it. And there was an understanding that they may not be there permanently. When they come when it comes forward with an application, those trails can be incorporated into the open space of the application specific to that phase, but maybe not in that exact location. Yeah, that's correct. Well, I hope you will fight for the people in the Cottonwoods in providing some of those amenities that were promised that were never received. I hope you will as developers try to provide something to

Yeah. specific to those those trails could come forward, but in terms of like the equestrian center, we don't own that property, right? And I'm not sure that there's any other amenities in phases one through five that are listed in the development agreement that have not been installed. I'm not aware of any. We get accused of not putting things in, but pickle ball courts and community centers are not in the development agreement. But just imagine if you put one in, you would have so many people that liked you. We in 2007 we actually sent a survey out to the residents that lived in the 2007 and 2008 and they voted down a community center.

So that was almost 20 years ago. It was and nobody it was actually like hundred something against it. Two people wanted it. So do it again. It could be done again but that means the association fees will go. I think people might be willing. So maybe try it

if it's possible. There are a lot of people that have their own swimming pools and large homes as well. So um but to jump on a few of uh Josh Josh's comments on the rem the potential remnant parcel, we've actually already updated the plat incorporated and taken the boundary of this phase all the way to the boundary of the phase 7 phase. So there is no remnant parcel per se in between the two phases. So this phase here in phase phase 5 east ends up with 64% open space 5.96 acres of open space and that that is because the yards are also considered open space and they are owned and maintained by the uh phase 5 meadow park association. the land um east of the homes on um what is that? Meadow Park. The homes that are already built right behind that

like Kate Ericson. Oh, on Park Meadow. Is that what phase is that? That's phase three. That's phase three. Not not where they live, but behind. Is that Oh, behind it would be phase eight. Do you you still own that slip? We own a tiny sliver. There is a tiny sliver that goes behind all of those homes that we still have ownership of. Um and we are in discussions with the phase 8 owners to determine if that actually needs to be incorporated into their application as open space for them. Okay. We it it is not being dedicated in this in these here. Thanks.

I have a question. Oh, yes. When you're done from above. Yes. Um, I have a question on phase nine. Isn't five phase nine the Wilkinson that's pulled out. Um, yeah. To my understanding phase 9 is owned by Mr. Ted Taylor and the Wilkinson Mark Wilkinson or his family. And there was a portion of phase 9 that was removed from the development agreement. So if that was meant for open space, where is your open space now coming?

So that's specific to a different phase, but within this phase, phase five, we are presenting open space accompanying our plat. No problem.

Okay. So, as was agreed at the uh county commission meeting when uh that portion was pulled out, um in order for uh there has to be open space added back in, which is what the Nettletons are are working to do. So, the open space will be there there will be hopefully open space added back in through the Neettletons, but any phase that is part of a development agreement, they have their entitlements and we can't hold them up. Um, so okay.

Oh, um, I like you, Skyler. There was Thank you. There was just one other item that, um, there was the state dam safety letter, um, which we did provide from the dam safety department at the state of Utah, but there was those guys. They're really they're really damn they're damn good at their job. Just really good. Um the other one was there was a little bit of confusion on our willerve letter from Codwood Mutual Water Company. Um there was a point in time where some of the um connections that were identified for this phase 5 east, they were actually withdrawn from phase 5 east and put towards the le project. There was two basically two will serves that were claiming the same uh water connections or erus equivalent residential connections. Um we've received a new will serve letter from Cottonwood Mutual Water Company where they confirm that there is capacity to serve both lees and this project um from their tanks and wells. Maybe you didn't recall that, but that was one of the other things that we needed before we came forward for Any other questions?

Thank you. Okay, let's have a motion.

I'll look for a motion then. on your screen. I'm looking at my other screen. So, okay. Uh, Mr. Chair, I move we approve the Cottonwoods Meadow Park East phase 5A um and 5 A6. 5 A5 and 5 A6 final plats application number 26.001 001 allowing for a 24 uh condominium units located approximately east of the intersection of Kingston Drive and Park Drive. I'll second.

Have a motion by Commissioner Newton and a second by Commissioner Nickerson. All in favor? I. Any opposed?

Thank you. Thank you. Good job on that first one. Jeremy's up next. He wants to say how much he appreciates all of the rapper opening in in front of the microphones.

I don't know if you read my email and I did find it on the agenda finally. I'm just blind. Yeah, it makes sense and I don't have any questions because it's you found a way to pay for it and really appreciate you looking in the budget to find that. That's awesome. So, u Mr. Chair, I move that we approve the approval of the um SQL Server 2025 licensing um in the amount of $7,888 funding to come from the IT budget. I'll second it. I have a motion by Commissioner Newton, second by Commissioner Blocker. All in favor? I. Any opposed?

I thank you. Thank you.

Uh, this one was on last commission meeting. Um, it was table to this meeting so that Matt could meet with some people. Matt, you have an update on that? Um, well, they obviously have to be moved. It's a little frustrating that that we didn't get that caught right up front, but um I have talked to ACS and I I talked to another um HVAC company. I did they were supposed to have me a bid by today. haven't received I did not receive it. It's not going to be a matter of if this is my only concern is the the uh two condensers out back are totally out of date and have to be removed. It's not going to be a matter of if. It is going to be a matter of yes, they have to be replaced because they don't meet the requirements anymore for the new whatever they keep in them. Um so that so my question would be and I didn't get I didn't ask um ACS this is the how did they bid that when it says possible? Do you know?

Okay. All right. That's why I have you guys read the articles. Okay. So, so it's gonna have they're going to have to be so it so shows two old condenser units on the outside with two new units and then that's the option, but I don't think the option is an option. And it's a must from what the other seasing the two units from the other what the other um HVAC person told me. So they're like I can't remember. They're way old. So it's clear back when they used Freon.

So yeah. So they're two two two versions back. Are the indoor units going to be okay if we have to replace the outdoor and change the includes five new indoor That's is five new indoor heads. So we're going to have to replace all the indoor tubes. Basically the whole system whole new system. Yeah. So I I agree. It sounds like we're going to have to do it regardless. This is a high enough dollar amount that I'd really like us to bid it and not just do a change order. Okay. If that's something we can do, you know, just with an HVAC company, get them to bid it. Okay, we can get two more. Yeah, get two more bids. Just keeps everybody honest.

Yeah, just keep everybody honest. It's not that I don't trust this at all. It's just So, do you want an RSP or do you want just three two other bids? Two other bids. Okay. And I'd be happy to meet with them and tell them. And I'm sure Corey would too. In fact, you could just ask Corey to get two more bids because he's going through Mountain West Mountain. Okay. Mountain Valley. Yeah. Mountain Valley. And I and I'll I'll call Lane Price and that'll be one bid and then we can get one more. Call Lane and say, "Hey, hey, I told you I needed that quickly." Second.

Yeah. If we can get more than three bids, too, great. Like, if there's extras that so be it. The worst that can happen is we get the lowest bid. Yep. Right. Thank you. So, and I do appreciate ACS. I mean, they saved us money on on the stuff on the uh the library the library, you know, they w they cleaned those out rather than replace them and and I don't know is everyone nowadays is that honest, you know. So, it's it's nice to have work with good people. So, so the price for one is 18,615. That's for both. That should be for both. Yeah, two condenser. Oh, it does say

says quantity. Quantity one, but then it says two condenser units in the activity. So, I think five headers. Um, okay. So, what I'm hearing is I need to get with Corey and get at least two more estimates or bids and I and I'll have one for you. So, just one more. Okay. Well, I just replaced mine and I got bids and my lowest bid by a lot was Barlo heating and air. So, you know, using um do we need to make a motion on this or can we go to the next? No, we can go to the next one.

Um, so the next one was also tabled, but I won't have a response for you until May 7th. So, I just wanted to acknowledge on the agenda that it was tabled to this meeting, but I won't have the modified estimate until May 7th meeting. Um, and then we are I had originally budgeted um for budget 2026 for two more uh fleet vehicles, but as we were going through budget and it looked like things were getting tight, I said, "Let's just take it out and see how it goes with the three." Um we we are definitely using it. Um so at minimum I do need one more. The what had changed is apparently in our urban um our new day vicers. It's in the contract that we provide them a vehicle and

the state provided his. Right. But I guess no he was driving one of our brush trucks. Oh,

which is really crap mileage. Um, so I've been I gave James the Assessor's old 2006 Ford Edge. Um, thinking that was fine because I just gave them a truck, but they used two vehicles and now they're one down. So, at minimum, I need one. I'm still gonna stick with giving him the Ford Edge. I'm not going to let him put that many miles on a on a county vehicle. Um, but whether we do this now or do this in Q4, I'm going to need a vehicle, one more vehicle. So, at least I'd love to have two, but at minimum one. I don't know what the market's going to do. This didn't change too much from last year. The funding would have to come out of fund balance.

It would have to. Yeah. This is Garrett. I am looking at the word in agreement. I'm wondering if I'm missing something, but it in uh B7 where it says the county agreement in front of us.

I know. I'm sorry. I I just because when I heard about this, I asked Leslie to send it to me. She sent it over and under B7 it says the county will provide fire warden and support as outlined in exhibit or appendix A to include the following and it says training A training B winter vehicle. So I'm so I don't know if we provide a vehicle the whole year round. No, we don't. My understanding is the state provides a brush truck during the fire season, but only the fire season, which is like April to October. He's driving the truck now or that he

and that's where I think that maybe they they misunderstand the agreement. Yeah, he should be driving a stateisssued vehicle during the fire season, which is a brush truck. Now, Dave Vickers was driving that year round. Yeah, he was. But it's not our truck. It's the state truck. Yeah. Okay. Well, so we need to maybe clarify that with them, but Okay, then I request a table because I don't want to spend the money. So, let's let's clarify that with that. We may need it by fall if if we got a winter vehicle. A must and a might have to is is worth it. Worth a phone call to me.

Agreed. So, request to go over next week. next meeting. So, is the next meeting on May 7th? It's not May 5th. Um, did you ever talk to Udth? Is it May 5th? I just wrote May 7th in my notes. 7th is a Thursday.

Cindy's bringing the Cinko Deayo food. Well, I'll be gone that week. So, Oh, it's May 5. Okay. Okay. What was your What were you gonna say, Garrett? Oh, I was just going to say I think it was April 7th, May 5th, and it might have just got mixed. Were you able to talk to WFRC about how they could help with our transportation RFP? I have um I was supposed to have a call today with Oh, grief. I should text message. Jory, or was it Mike or Ted Nolton? Ryan Halverson. Um

Oh, yeah. And we just we were planning one time, so I'll get him tomorrow. Okay. Okay. So, you going to with me tableabling that one to May five? Yeah.

Okay. Then last one is um I'll let Garrett explain. Or would you prefer I do because it's for defense? Um, no. This one is this one's okay. This is the service agreement where basically the judge is already ordering people to take traffic school. And this is it's not necessarily related to defense council, but it's an online traffic school provider. So that if the judge orders them to to go to to complete traffic school and they go here, then the county will receive part of that cost back. Um, but the judge doesn't I mean the judge charges what the judge charges. And so it's not that traffic school will go up in cost or anything like that. It's just something that comes back um to the county where we recoup some of those costs and um there there was quite a revamp of the initial contract they sent over. There were three suggestions that were sent by um let me see I believe it's Tyson as as he was reviewing it that I think are good changes to make. And so unless there's any questions on what was in the packet, I'll move to the the updates. All right. I don't hear any. So the first update that he suggests is just to give uh page numbers. So it'll just be page 105, 205, and so forth to the end on the third page

in section six D in that first sentence, he suggested changing cannot be to is not. So it will say in the event that a credit card chargeback occurs and is not resolved. He thinks that's more definitive and I agree. Then we just take out the cannot be resolved to is not. And then in paragraph 10 on page four, the last sentence says nothing here and prohibits service provider from transmitting information to the courts or the county as required by sections. And that's updated to two and four. And that's just um by virtue of updating the formatting and reorganizing the agreement. So those are those are the three changes he suggests. Nothing substantive. It's just to um kind of clarify the form. Looks great. Mr. Chair, I move that we approve the service agreement with CJS uh company for traffic school services.

I'll second it. Have a motion. Motion by Commissioner Newton, second by Commissioner Blocker. All in favor? I. I. Are there any opposed? Motion passes. Okay. Commissioner comments. Commissioner Blocker, let's see. We missed you at the Daughters of Utah Pioneers. I was in Lake Pal. I'm sorry. And Mike, I know. I have another family commitment on Saturday.

Anyhow, we me, Blaine, and Von got to go to that. So, that was fun. Let's see. Oh, I would have rather been at the DOP. I was the only one that did not come from a handcart company. They made that very clear. You are the only one that came from Germany. As if that's a bad thing, huh? You didn't suffer enough your family.

But I thought that was really cool how everyone came like going through that museum. I'd never been through it before, but that's all of your guys's ancestors. That's cool. It's a It's a cool museum. That's really cool. Let's see. Anything major from the meetings? No. Good. That's it. Okay. Commissioner Facerel, if you don't have anything substantial, it's kind of hard to hear you over that, but if you do share, please.

I just I just wanted to reiterate what uh the DUP it was very very nice. Uh they do a great job for us and it is a great historical place. So that's it. I'll just leave everything else to another time. Thank you, Commissioner, and thanks for attending online. Commissioner Newton.

Um, just wanted to acknowledge we had the the train event on Monday. A lot of folks there. It was busy. It was very busy. Great weather for it. Um, so appreciate everybody who worked on that and and made that possible. Our sheriff's office had a a lot of deputies there helping with the kids and that sort of thing. Um, I also just wanted to let you know that I spent uh last Saturday all day in meetings with Wasatch Integrated Waste. We did a once every three year kind of offsite meeting where we all spend a day together talking about the challenges facing solid waste and how we're going to deal with those. And um there's a lot of challenges, but uh want you to know that we're in good good shape. Um, a lot of good good things happening with our solid waste and and figuring out how to best deal with that moving forward. And that's all I had.

Commissioner Nickerson,

uh, just a few things. Um, so we've got we had a regional conservation district meeting last week. Um, kind of the kind of northern Utah. Uh was pretty neat to see the different what the different conservation districts are doing as far as water usage, weeds, um opening opening up uh flood drainages, things like that, how they're we're working together. Um one of the things that did come up is I met with the the new grief the uh I can't think of his name or what his title was. Um the conservation commissioner, did I sound right? um about the donation of uh of meat at our from our fair sales to local food pantries. And that ends up being a federal issue, not a state issue. Um he was going to look into anything that we could do to maybe work with the feds and kind of get that changed because he sees that there's a major issue there. Um because Utah is one of 29 states that the USDA allows the state to do all of the inspections for USDA. But in the federal law, it says that donations to food pantries cannot be made by um any meat that was processed at a not non USDA inspected facility, but yet state inspectors do all the USDA inspections in Utah. So he was going to look at that um to try to get that. if he sees that. That's a major a big need that we could do to help fill our food fill our food pantries. Um, another thing was our weed board um is somewhat up and running. Less Adams is our president. Um, so if people have issues with weeds or things like that, need help, please reach out to uh to Les Adams. Um, one thing with the conservation district is we have put on the there's a where people can request a uh a reimbursement for up to

$200 for chemical to help spray their weeds on their property. Um, that is online. You can you purchase your your your chemicals and you can request that. Um it's on our county website and you can fill that out, submit that digitally or you can hand it in to anybody on the conservation district um to just to help the the residents. Um that's a grant that was received from the conservation district through um through the state and so just trying to get people out there to to uh spray their weeds, try to take care of things and this will help offset some of that cost. So please fill that out. It's a kind of a first come first serve. There is $10,000 available, but you can only uh recap up to about up to $200. So,

is there a a size of land or anything? Not that I'm aware of. So, like the local homeowner can go in there, buy a gallon or whatever and and submit this to the conservation district and and and request reimbursement. Do that.

So, I think it's a great thing to get get the word out there. Um and for our um producers, there is the no till drill which is also available through the conservation district. Um right now I mean it's it's a pretty nice unit. Right now we have over 400 acres that have been run uh through that no tail drill and we actually have done more acres than some of the larger um conservation district. So it's actually we're moving forward. We we've got a a very active conservation district and so for people want to

producers wanting to try the no till drill prior to purchasing one on their own, they can come and and they can rent that. There is a a deposit um and you're charged I want to say it's $15 per acre that you're that you're drilling. So, um if you have any questions, reach out to me or any any member of the uh conservation district to get information on that. So, that's all I have. Thank you. Oh, yes. Sorry. Thank you. Um and the bag of wood is up and running and so um that's through the conservation district as well. So that's online. You can get in there, get registered, get your bags and start collecting our our load.

How did you get to that form? Okay. Morgan Countyutah.gov And under our public notices and RFPs link, it is these bottom two. Okay. Fillable form and a downloadable form both on there. Nice. Like I said, you you can do it digitally. I think that's a great way to go. But if if you're kind of old school and want to do paper, you can turn it into any member of the of the conservation district and we can turn it in for you. So, but digital is great. It's easy. Okay. You're welcome.

We're glad to have Kate safe. She had somebody hit her. Hit my beautiful truck. And so, yeah, I know. Rest in peace, Summer. And if you noticed on our calendar, tomorrow it's administrative professionals day. Yes. So, thank you. So, thank you to Kate for everything she does. Thank you. Oh, thank you very much. Um, I know we have fraud situations all the time, but I guess we had one this week with the airport. So, um, that's that's a little scary cuz I think Did they use your email, Kate?

Oh, no, no, no. Okay, I will explain that. Um, you're freaked me out. Um, so we had this issue when we did board of equalization 2. What they do is they get in the packet that's posted online, this packet, and we and they take the emails for like people that were doing DOE hearings. And there's so many emails in here for the um us correcting all the um airport hangers and then they create a fake invoice whe and it'll look like it's coming from me or the planning commission or planning department and they'll send a fake invoice.

So I got lax on remembering to black out all the email addresses in a 263 page packet. It's because somebody sucks. So So, so if you if you get a weird invoice, call the county. We do not charge you $4,800 to come before the commission. So they sent one to Haley for $4,800 for her work session. So we may check the cash. And I think the airport hanger too was around 4,800 bucks, too. Yeah, but like there's no pay information, so maybe it was a link. It was It was It was wire wire the money here. Oh, yeah.

In Bitcoin. Yeah. So, anyway, just so just our residents are aware, just make sure your invoice are legit. Call before you pay. Um, and we don't send links or or ask you to deposit it straight to our bank account. Um, the other thing is Kate, I if we don't have to remove tile, we can save a lot of money on some of these what VCT tile and mastic. If we don't have to re remove that stuff, we can save a lot of money. Great. Yeah, but I think we should do You need to talk to that department head

because the next one up is Janelle. If you're going to remodel, then do the remodel. So, go halfway. Well, it doesn't do anything. I'm just saying you can remove it and not have to not have to pay to have it um We can remove it. Yeah, we can remove it. I thought you were saying don't. No, we can remove it. We just can't grind off the grind off the cut back. But big deal. I mean, the cut back's this thick, you know. So, Once it becomes data analyst, not a floor. Okay. So, well, I'm all about saving us money.

Save us money. Okay. I that's I have nothing. Mr. Chair, I move that we adjourn. Okay. Second. All right. I have a motion and a second.