Planning and Economic Development Committee - Regular Meeting

Good evening. I would like to call the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting for the City Of Green for Wednesday, 12/17/2025 to order. Before we begin, will you please stand and join me in the pledge of allegiance? I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Could we have a roll call, please?

Burch? Here. Mr. Bishman?

Here.

Ms. Chatzi? Here. Ms. Lodroski? Here. Ms. Thresher? Here. Present, our counsel liaison, Gerard Neuchbauer?

Here.

Madam Chair, may I kind of go out of the agenda and ask Mayor Juergen to come up? He's got some comments for tonight.

All right. Thank you. Yes.

Thank you. I'm going to be brief. It is out of the ordinary for the mayor to come to Planning and Zoning Commission meetings because it's important that the public know that our Planning and Zoning Commission is an independent body. So I'm here just for a special recognition because one of our PZC members, this is her last meeting. Kristi Lodroski, who's the Chairman of the Commission, has been serving for eight years on PZC.

And I want to thank her, acknowledge her work. She has a reputation for always doing her homework, being very thorough, and doing her level best to apply the rules in an even handed way to serve the community day in and day out. And we're very appreciative of her work. As with all the commissioners, there is a small stipend that they get, but very frankly, this work is, for the most part, volunteer. They give a lot of evenings to come out and make sometimes difficult decisions.

They do and prepare, reading diagrams, going on-site, looking at the land oftentimes in order to make their decisions. And our system of government here couldn't, frankly, couldn't operate without all of participation and effort. So we're very thankful. I don't know if I need you to have you stand, but I do want to recognize that you've been serving for eight years. And what this plaque says is in grateful appreciation of your commitment and dedication, I wanna present to you this plaque on behalf of the Green community. If you could join me in giving a hand to Christie for her efforts.

Thank you. Appreciate your service.

We appreciate her service and all the commissioners. Thank you.

So thank you, Mayor. I do appreciate that. I really have enjoyed being part of the commission. I've had the opportunity to learn a lot and to contribute positively to the growth here in the

city of Greene. I would like to thank the planning department and staff for all of your support over the years as well as all

of my commissioners, the ones that are here today still serving as well as all of those who have transitioned on to other activities before me. So thank you and good luck to all of you in the future. And again, I appreciated and really enjoyed serving with you.

Thank you, Christy.

All right. With that, we will get back to our agenda for this evening. We have two items, business items. I am going to take the liberty of reversing them this evening And I am going to go ahead and call the first business item 2544 forward first. That is the Atlantic Foods signage. This is a signage review in a zoning area of B5. So if someone for Atlantic Food Signage could come forward, please state your name and address for the record and then tell us a little bit about your project.

Sure. My name is Noah Saran. I'm with Arco National Construction, the general contractor that performed an an an interior, renovation at five five seven one Global Gateway. So reason I'm here is they owner was putting up a monument sign outside the front of their building. So just trying to go through the steps and processes to get this approved and good to go.

Right? So following last meeting, this was the design that we decided to go off of. It's a masonry block sign with a stucco finish on the front painted to match the exterior building. Lettering is black metal. Does have directional signage on it as well along with the address.

One thing thing to note, the location of the sign does sit within the right of way. We are five feet off the right of way instead of 10 feet as required, so I will be applying for a variance for this.

All right. Thank you. Can we have a staff report, please?

Hi, everybody.

So as Noah was saying, this monument is going to be revised. We're not going to fully change anything around it. So we're basically revising it. It is within the B5 Airport Commerce District and it contains an established industrial and distribution facility access from Global Gateway. So basically, they're just adding that black line underneath of the directional signs.

Our review was focused on the standards for free for the freestanding identification signs within the airport commerce area, including height, area, frontage allowance, visibility and safety considerations. The monument's height of 95 inches complies with the maximum permitted height of the 16 feet. The 10 foot width and 16 square foot sign face are proportionate to the building scale and frontage. The directional text is organized and legible. No changes are proposed to the ground lighting, utilities, stormwater grading, or access because the request involve only a modification to an existing monument sign in an established location.

There are no engineering related impacts and no external agency reviews are required. The design review board made a favorable recommendation to the Planning and Zoning Commission contingent upon verification of the sign setback to the right of way. This has been addressed. Engineering review is not required for this request. The modification of the existing monument identification sign does not affect site grading, drainage, circulation, utilities or pavement, and the structure remains within its previously permitted footprint.

No fire comments required here for zoning. A variance is required as he said for the existing five feet setback. The staff recommends conditional approval of the existing sign as modified contingent upon the following. Applicants receipt of a variance from the Board of Zoning appeals for the existing five feet front setback. And the other one is due to its positioning with the utility easement, the applicant will need to remove, relocate or replace the sign as necessary to allow any utility work to be performed within the easement.

The sign maintains appropriate scale and placement within the B5 Airport Commerce District, improves wayfinding and address visibility, and eliminates the need for separate freestanding directional signage. Signage.

All right. Thank you.

Are there any questions from the commissioners?

Madam Chair? Yes. Do you agree that you'll move that sign when necessary and then replace it That's In one of the conditions you've

the event that utility work needs to occur?

Right. Yes. Thank you. That's my only question.

All right.

Would anyone from the audience like to speak on this item? All right. Hearing nothing, can I have a motion or no not nothing, nothing additional? Can I have a motion?

I'll make a motion for a favorable recommendation of conditional approval of the existing sign as modified contingent upon the receipt of a variance from Board of Zoning Appeals for this effect.

Can I have a second? Second. All right, roll call please. Ms. Anderson? Yes. Ms. Chad C? Yes. Mr. Birch?

Yes.

Mr. Bishman?

Yes.

Ms. Lodrosky? Yes.

You.

Thank you.

All right. Our second business item this evening is Item 2541. It is SELU Holdings storage units. This is a site plan review in a zoning district B1. If we could have a representative for the project come forward, please state your name and address for the record and tell us a little bit about your project. And by the way, you can either use the handheld or you can stand at the podium.

Yes. My name is Jim Persuto. I'm with Four Points Architectural Services. Our address is 2850 South Arlington Road, Suite 200, Akron, Ohio 44312.

Alright.

As the architect for this project, we've been working closely with, obviously, the building or the property owner with the City of Green planning and with our engineers to produce a site plan and a project that we feel meets all of the requirements in order to get a conditional approval for the storage unit development. I'll just kind of quickly go through the set of drawings as they

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Phase two would be more

significant retail or the office space that would front Main Street and occupy the corner of South Main and Magua. As far as the phase one portion of the project, it's made up of five storage buildings, just under 57,000 square feet. About two thirty two storage units are distributed throughout those buildings. Storage Building 1, which sits here, contains an office for the management of the facility and the grounds, restrooms for the tenants to use. And all of those units in Buildings 1 And 2 are conditioned and heated spaces.

Buildings 3 And 4 are unconditioned storage spaces. And the final building on the far east side of the property is designed with deeper bays, higher storage space for boat storage, RV storage, all interior. There is no exterior exposed storage of vehicles or other equipment on this site. As part of the development, we are proposing a new drive coming in on the southwest corner of the property off of Maine and then a new drive off of Magua into the property. As part of the phase one process, we would grade the entire property to accommodate phase two.

And we would also include the demolition of the existing drive in restaurant and the auxiliary or accessory building behind it. Our civil engineer has gone through a number of drawings to confirm that it would work from a functional standpoint. This is the existing property showing the demolition of the existing drive thru in the Northwest corner. There currently is existing sanitary lines that kind of make a U shape through the property. I believe that was originally intended for expansion or an additional building, as part of the plaza to the south of this property.

So as part of this project, that would all be removed and kind of rerouted along this south property line out to Main Street. The drive coming off Magua, we ended up putting it roughly at the same location as the existing drive into the drive in. And it's roughly across the street directly across the street from the drive leading to the bowling alley. It does a couple things for us. It gets us further away from the intersection and also works better for grading purposes to have a more accessible drive up to the storage complex in future Phase two retail office space.

It also allows us to a little more space to develop that corner for future retail. As part of the development, we are including all the parking out in front of the first storage Building Number 1. We do include some interior parking spaces. I believe we're required to have 12 parking spaces for this number of units. We have 14 currently.

The entire storage complex is enclosed with six foot high steel fencing. And we'll get to it in a little bit here, but we're also providing screening landscape screening to go along with the fencing to the residential properties to the north. This is a utility site plan. Basically, we're bringing utilities both off of South Main as well as Magua. The intent is to core everything under the roads.

So we don't have any overhead power. Some of those final decisions are up to the utility companies, but that is our intent. As far as storm water management, because we have a pretty drastic slope on the Far East side of the property, and we're obviously putting in hard surfaces. We have to control and take care of that storm water. There's a few areas, three that are part of phase one, a fourth smaller area that are part of phase two that are underground storm water storage systems to not overwhelm the city's storm water system.

As far as utilities for the buildings themselves, the first building, because it has offices and restrooms, will require sanitary, and water. The rest of it is pretty much electric. We are gonna get a gas line to the second building for heating purposes. But that's kind of the extent of the utility work on the site. From a grading standpoint, we have about a 11 to 12 foot grade change from street level on Main Street to the proposed first building as part of phase two.

And you can see the grade that we tried to accommodate for the main drive coming up Magua. We do have a couple retaining walls all in the south side of the property to accommodate the grading and to make sure it's a smooth transition from the drives around the building onto the property and the surrounding existing grades. We tried to leave as much of the back portion, the east side of the property intact as we could. So we really try to limit the construction. It's about a 157 feet off of that east property line to that east side of Building Number 5.

So we're leaving as much of that trees, the existing trees, wooded area intact as we can to provide as much of a buffer as possible to the adjoining neighbors. Our engineer also put together some travel patterns just to make sure that the property can accommodate the turning radius of emergency vehicles. So there were just a couple options he looked at here. First And we're quarter portion of the property as it faces the residential in portion of the neighborhood. It is a type I excuse me, type A screen as dictated by the zoning codes.

So we have our six foot high fence that runs across the whole front or the top of the, storage unit complex. And we have landscaping beds at every 50 feet on center between that fence and the adjoining property properties to the north. Along the east side of the drive, we've gone with a evergreen screen, Norway spruces, 15 foot on center max to provide some additional screening. And then on the east side of the property, again, we're trying to leave as many trees on the property as possible while still developing this site. Interior wise, we are providing a couple landscape islands for this parking area in between Buildings 1 And 2.

We're providing some plantings here on the north side of Building 1. This will help screen any mechanical units required for the office space. We have a gated entry with a keypad or card reader. And there will also be a knocks box included at that entry point for fire department access. Then in the front of the property facing Main Street, we are including all these planning shown on this plan as part of phase one to offer a bit of a buffer between that and this first constructed building as part of phase one.

So we'll develop foundation plannings for phase two when that time comes for submittal and plan review. But we did want to provide some buffer to the new development as part of Phase one. These are the elevations of the proposed storage buildings. Everything you see here up to at least that eight foot point is masonry. It's a combination of split face block, a product called QuickBrick that gives you the appearance of brick, but it is a concrete masonry product.

We tried to break up the facade using these warm earth tones At the office area, we do have some windows and doors. Up above the masonry, we have a metal panel that, simulates the look of wood to give some warmth to the overall side. We have a trash enclosure on the far side over here. And then the rest of it, we just kinda carry that theme all the way around each of these buildings. As you get to the backside of these buildings, you'll see these represent overhead doors to access each storage unit.

And we try to keep most of those focused to the interior of the property. So there's only a very few number of doors that actually would face north or south. Everything is kind of in the east west direction facing the interior of the property. That basic theme color scheme carries all the way through, the property. This upper drawings represent the Building Number 5 with the larger overhead doors.

Again, those face, west away from the residential properties. This up here is just a masonry with a little bit of metal siding, metal roof, that faces to the east and the adjacent residential properties. Just for reference, highest point of this larger building or taller building is 17 foot nine to the peak of the roof. I believe 22 feet is the requirement that we had to meet. Also, the doors were only 13 feet high and with a limit of 15 feet per zoning.

When you get to the top, the far east side of the property, grade is, anywhere from fifteen, twenty feet above the top of this building. So this thing will really sit kinda down in on the slope on the other side of the wooded area. This is just a preliminary look of what we're thinking and planning for phase two. It's just a representation that we're using similar materials, similar themes from a design perspective. This bottom elevation would would be what would face Main Street.

I know there's keen interest on the side of the city to try to have a more approachable facade running along Main Street. So that was the intent there. And then from a lighting standpoint, I know there's a lot of little numbers on this thing. We're using primarily wall packs, it's got here, along the buildings. We do have two posts, a light post here in between first two storage buildings.

Those are limited to 20 feet high, again, meeting zoning requirements. As you get to all the property lines, our light levels go down to zero. So these are all cut off fixtures, so you will have no light pollution getting on to adjacent properties. There are two light posts here along the new drive in from Magua. One light post over here at the drive new drive off of South Main.

And you'll also notice that there are no lights on the backside of Building Number 5 or on the north or south sides as well. Again, to just limit intrusion into the residential neighborhood. So that's the basic design concepts that went into this latest design and plan. I don't know if you wanna talk about the functionality of the space? Thank you.

My

name is Nick George. I'll be doing the day to day operations at the storage units. So for the operating hours, we'll make sure to stay operational between 8AM and 8PM. We'll have on-site staff there the whole time during operating hours, and we'll also have a a contact phone that you can call. Security will have access control gates, cameras, lighting, no loitering policies, and the local contact number.

It'll be a quiet use facility with little traffic, No hazardous materials. Violations will be strictly enforced. And then, no living in or working out of the units. And then we'll enforce leases and then revoke access for anybody who breaks rules. We'll make sure to keep a clean, secure, and well maintained, try to be a good long term neighbor for the area. Yeah.

All right. Thank you.

Before we open it up to questions, I'm going go ahead and ask for staff report.

Okay. Just to expound a little bit on the fine presentation here of the project. This is a conditionally permitted use here in the B1 zone. Kind of a two phase process here, the storage units being phase one, which are conditionally permitted. The phase two portion, office retail, which we'll be looking at in the future at some point, Those uses are all permitted in that B1 district.

It's about a seven acre site there, probably all familiar with that. The Main Street Pier will be coming down. Grading would be occurring throughout the sites, the whole site there for all of Phase one that would include future development there. As mentioned, this site does about the residential zone on the north and the the east sides of the site. We have the south main Center to the south of the site.

A little bit of history here. This came through about four years ago as a project that included some a large boat storage building at the rear of the property, which was probably several times higher than the rear building is now. That action was not taken. It was denied at the time. We came back about a year ago with the storage unit plan as a discussion item.

So, some things I think were worked out as a result of that discussion item we had last year. As far as the conditional use that has been published in the Southside Leader and folks have been notified of that, of this hearing. Units, the five buildings parallel to Main Street with internal loading and unloading, which kind of minimizes the activity that's up against residential zone to the north there. So it's more compact and kind of self contained there. And it kind of minimizes the appearance of those overhead doors coming out towards as a view from Main Street.

So, hopefully, the buildings themselves will kind of block each other. And, eventually, when Phase two would come in, that would be a further buffer to any, the uses behind here. Mostly masonry building as was presented here. The color is kind of earth tones and meets our requirements. A couple of retaining walls are needed for the different grades that are on-site there.

As was mentioned, site does slope up north to the north to the east there, probably 20 to 30 feet and would remain wooded, to kind of help to buffer that area. It would be a dumpster enclosure, also on the south wall of Building 1, which would handle the site as well as I think it's supposed to handle Phase two as well, correct? Would also be an enclosure of same materials as the buildings. The exodus, as noted, would be the two sites kind of distant from the intersection and kind of takes them as far over as possible. As far as signage, we have no signage at this point, so they would have to come back for a signage review if that was required if that was desired in the future.

The landscaping enhancements, are provided per code for the buffering between the B1 and the, R1 there to the north. We do have the, with the location of that access drive being as far east as we can, we do have a little bit of an encroachment there of a 50 foot setback of a vehicular use area. So, as you come around to the on the to the east of that driveway and then to the north side of the part of the north side of the yeah, kind of an L shaped area that's

kind of

encroaches into that 50 foot vehicular use setback area. So they would require a variance on that. But, they've tried to beef up the landscaping and the fencing along there per code. Lighting plan, everything is within code as far as trying to prevent the light spillover into adjacent properties and pool heights are 20 feet overall, complies. Grading that's been mentioned, the storm water management is all underground and it's going through the calculation review at this point.

So design review board, did make a favorable recommendation and was in agreement with the need for the variance by having that drive as far east of the intersection on Magua as possible, to avoid some conflicts there. The, there was an alternate analysis that was provided as you saw, and that was, acceptable for our fire department and the NOxbox that will be required for emergency access if needed. So, with that, we recommend a fair well, conditional approval of the conditional use certificate. This is for Phase one. Further, your receipt of the variance, that was mentioned here and also final engineering approval of the plans.

So with that, we would welcome any comments or concerns here. Public.

All right. Thank you for the staff report. I'm going to open it up now to questions from the commissioners.

I'll start.

Okay, thank you.

Is there I know, Nick, you work for the company, but is there anybody from the ownership group here that could speak? All right. How many facilities do they have? You know?

Can you please step in front of the microphone or use the handheld?

Off the top of my head, three facilities or two facilities.

Do you know where they're located? Can you tell me where

they're located?

Yes. There's the Honeymoon Grill facility over in Coventry and then there's a facility in Manchester, New Franklin. It's right in the middle there. It's the State Farm. It's a commercial plaza.

Jim, I guess my question was for the ownership, but maybe you could answer this question for me.

Sure.

When looking for a location and this meets all those zoning requirements, what parameters do you have when you go to say this fits what we're looking for demographic wise and so forth? Can you answer anything? Well,

this site was purchased before we were involved as designers. I do know that they went through a number of different avenues to explore possible uses for the property. I know I think there were some talk about restaurants or other retail type uses for the rest of the property. But because of traffic counts, they just didn't find any of those to be feasible. So this was determined to be the most beneficial for them as far as a business use of the property.

Right. And I they have been working with Tracti Building Systems, who is laying out the storage units themselves to try to maximize profit there.

That's all the questions I have.

I have a few questions. This is addressed to you. Eight to eight Did I hear that correctly?

Yes, eight a. M. To eight p. M.

And what happens at eight p. M?

Eight p. M. Access is revoked from the facility.

From the for everybody?

Yeah.

What happens if somebody's in there?

Well, they'll be able to get out, just not get in.

So if they're in before eight, they can stay as long as they want? Or I know there's no

Right. I mean, they'll be able to stay, but there's no use of like work or hanging out in there. It's just it's in and out kind of storage.

Is there enough light in there for them to unload and do some loading Yes. If they need But it's your intention that you won't open back up until eight in the morning?

Correct. Unless it's special if someone were to call for an emergency or something, if they were to need something, we'd have a contact number they could get to us with.

Okay. And

I heard you say that you're going to have somebody, a live person there from eight to eight every Yes. That's seven days a week?

Yes.

Okay. That was my main question for you. Thank you.

Madam Chair, I've got a quick question regarding lights. You had mentioned the wall mounted units. How many floodlights or I shouldn't say floodlights, but ones that are on poles will be implemented? And are those on twenty fourseven? Obviously, not just the eight to eight,

very

years. So, show you those here.

Thank you.

Know it's a difficult plan to kind of get much out of here. So we have a pool light. This is the parking space between George Building

and Jim, would it be easier to show it on the site plan? I mean, we know where we're at, but if site plan, go back to I think you'd be able to pull them out.

You may need to hold the microphone as well.

There we

go. Does that work? Yep.

All right. So we have a pole light here and here on each of the landscape islands.

Saw that on the plan.

There's one here as you turn into the space. There's one down here closer to Magua. And then there's one over here

Okay.

On the south side of the drive off of Maine.

And are any of those motion, or they're all on all the time?

I think they'll be photo censored.

Okay.

So on dusk, off at dawn.

Thank you. Sure.

I have a question about Phase two, and I realize we're just talking about Phase one. But I'm trying to get a feel for how long Phase one may be there before anything's, I guess, anticipated started for Phase two.

Yes. Evidently, there have been discussions already with potential tenants for Phase two. So it's not anticipated to be a very long timeframe between starting Phase one and starting the process of submittals for Phase two.

Okay. So not years?

No. No. I know there's been specific discussions about the smaller retail space at the corner. It's just been kind of waiting on to see how this process goes and make sure we have approval for Phase one before moving into specific uses and tenant spaces.

Can you speak to the kind of tenant that might be? Is it you said retail, so restaurants aren't the answer there? Did I hear you say traffic I count just doesn't make

don't think from a parking standpoint that would make sense. The only piece that could become like a drive through or a coffee shop might be this piece at the corner. But these, I think, would be designated into office space or retail, kind of similar to some of these newer buildings that you see going up where they're kind of a flex space that can be adapted to either type of use.

Thank you. Sure.

One more question. Sorry. The galvanized steel fence image that you provided, that will be around the entire property? That's the same type of fencing?

Yes. That'll be around the storage units, basically from the southwest, northwest corners of this final building out to the the entry gates. So they both kinda terminate at the first and the last building in of the storage units.

Thank you. Sure.

One more question on the lighting. Because of the topography there, if you're on Magua, are you going to be above the lights? I'm picturing it that you would be above those lights, but can you speak to that at all?

It depends, I guess, where on Magua. If you're at the main intersection coming in, I'll bring up the grading plan just to kind of give you a reference.

I'm really worried more about the residential. You're in the residential side of it. Are you are they going to be in your line of sight directly? Or are they going to be a little bit below your line of sight from your backyard, say.

Gotcha. Actually, if you're above them, because they're cut off fixtures, you won't see any light except what's hitting the ground. You won't see the light source at all. I'm thinking if you're up here on the Far East Side, you'll certainly be above the light fixtures that are down here. Back here, if you can see through the housing and the remaining trees, you might catch a glimpse. But, again, I think it might be a benefit as you go up grade wise, that you won't have that.

As you drive down the street, it seems like you're higher. But, again, that's driving down the street. I can't I didn't go in anybody's backyard to see, but that's

Right. And the the couple poles that are located along this new drive on the East side, they're directed towards the towards the West, towards Main Street. So you should have very little impact of the lighting there.

Thank you.

Any other questions right now from the commissioners? All right. I'll give you the opportunity to ask again. But at this point, I would like to open it up to the community to come forward and speak. I did want to let everybody know that you are encouraged. We welcome everyone to come forward and make comments. We do have, according to our bylaws, the ability to limit time. We are going to ask everybody to please keep your minute or keep your comments to three minutes. So we will be starting a timer. When you come forward, we would like you to please state your name and address for the record.

And with that, I will go ahead and ask if anybody would like to come forward and speak.

Good evening. My name is Des Wertheimer. I live at 130 East Turkey, Woodlake Road. We are the property in the woods behind John Swamp. If you're wanting to know where we fit Basilica Plaza, my family has lived there more than fifty years. So we were there before the plaza was built. This storage unit facility has no business being built there, period. There are already three storage units facilities within two miles of each other. You have the one where Terry Price built there at the corner of Cottage Grove and 619. Then you have the ones you go over the hill down from the fire station there.

And then over behind there off of Arlington is a big storage facility there. So this would be the fourth one. I don't know if you know this or not, but the storage unit at Cottage Grove in 619 had a fire. They had multiple explosions. They had a car blow up in one of the units. They had a motorcycle blow up in one of the units. And because of the very strong brick construction throughout, the firewalls held. And it kept from the entire plaza. It should have burnt the whole place down. But because of the great construction products that were used by Mr.

Price when he built it, it probably saved the lives of the firefighters too. Mean, where I live, I heard the explosion. I thought, my god, what's going on up there? So now we're going to be using masonry like products. Concerns me. As for phase two, I would call phase two with most plans delusions of grandeur. Don't consider phase two at all. Consider phase one because it's been six years and nothing's been done there. Why not? I mean, the owner hasn't even mowed the lawn.

As drive for through, I mean, he's let it rot. So the owner of the property has shown no interest in taking care of the property, no interest in maintaining the property. And now, as neighbors, we're all supposed to expect that he's going to keep this up and keep it nice and clean. I don't buy it. As for the tragic study about a restaurant, don't know who told whoever that, but I don't buy that for a second either, that they couldn't put a restaurant in there.

Probably what happened is the owner of the property couldn't find any money. And that's really what's going on here. Most developers who put in storage units on property, it's kind of a last ditch effort because they can't finance anything else. And so you've got this plaza. And that entire area has been poorly developed and managed and maintained.

The Planning and Zoning Commission years ago dumped the dollar store on us. Many of us opposed it, they let it go through on a postage stand corner there at Moore Road and South Main. The fire department has closed that facility more than three times for lack of keeping the inside up. They have trash and all the things around the side. Then you have a plaza below there that hasn't been kept up or maintained in fifty plus years.

You have a bowling alley that finally they're doing something with it. But the entire area suffered from development, from developers that don't have any money. And I just really think that this should not be allowed to be put in there. It doesn't match the plaza. To go from the plaza to residential and stick it in the middle, I don't think it's fair to the residents to put it there. We don't need more storage units in green. Good heavens. I oppose this immensely. Thank you.

Thank you.

Would anyone else from the audience like to speak? Please come forward. Again, please state your name and address.

Richard Keller, 190 Shamokin Drive, Greene, 44319. In conjunction to what this first gentleman said, I've contacted four of the existing storage unit companies within three and a half miles of this site. Between the four, they currently, right now, have 60 units unreaded. How's this gonna be profitable for this venture? That's it.

Hi, my name is Robert Prentice. I live at 129 Gunnar Drive. I took this on myself many years ago when he first came to counsel to try to get these storage units in. And I had very little time to bring to canvas my neighborhood. Well, this time I got a chance to canvas my neighborhood for two and a half weeks.

And you can see what came out tonight, and I appreciate that. When I started this journey, I was opposed to this right from the get go. I've had people ask me, why are you doing this for this neighborhood, Robert? The reason why I'm doing it from this neighborhood because I've been born and raised here all my life in Green. I'm 58 years old.

I've lived in this neighborhood for fifty six years. There's a couple old timers in this audience tonight and they'll understand where I'm going at. This neighborhood is a beautiful neighborhood. We want this neighborhood to stay nice. We don't want storage units butting up to to our neighborhood because storage units bring problems.

I don't care how you dress it up, you're still going to have the noise, you're still going to have the traffic. Now no matter if you make a left on Magua to make a left or right on South Main Street or you make a right coming out of the storey or that facility, that Magua is going to be nothing but a freeway. And we have little kids that live in our neighborhood. And the gist of everybody, when I canvassed my neighborhood for two and a half weeks, everybody, number one, thanked me for getting the message out. Because unfortunately, when I got wind of what was going to he was coming back again for the third time.

I had to come up here after I had I'm on dialysis, unfortunately. So I came up on a Wednesday morning to just get this. I was told, you guys need to mail this stuff out. And you did. We're Wapatec village in a hole.

I feel my opinion is, I feel that everybody in my neighborhood should have got all three pages of this. And people thanked me for for speaking up, for bringing this to their attention, and everybody I spoke to in my neighborhood, everybody has said no to this project. They just don't want the problems. They don't want people busting in these storage units. Then after that, it goes into the neighborhood and then we have more problems. Why don't we just stop it and say no? I appreciate. Thank you so much.

Thank you. Hi, mayor. Good evening, all of you people. My name is Jean Prentice. I live at 129 Gunnar Drive.

I'm also a resident of Wampateek Village. I hope I don't get carried away or I I stay on track. First of all, Robert did mention that he thought everybody in our neighborhood, it affects all of us. All of these people, this will affect. We all should have at least gotten a notice saying this project is going to be on the agenda again.

Now I know this man, he's a new architect, but the other gentleman that mentioned the eyesore, ladies and gentlemen, whoever owns that piece of land, for years, they have not maintained it. I'll tell you, the structure is falling down. There are weeds. There's like a a carport or something behind it. Now, some days, you know, I'm supposed to get exercise, I'll walk down from, I live on Gunnar Drive, to go to Buehlers.

I'm afraid to go through that parking lot. I don't know if a rat or what's gonna come out of one of those structures. And the whole time he's maintained it, he's not even slapped a coat of paint on it. Right there is frightening. Now, when they did their, project or their review or their process, a restaurant wouldn't work. That South Main Street is bumper to bumper with cars. And I'm gonna, say Woody's up the street, a little diner, just eggs and lunch. It's a gold mine, and that they couldn't have put a restaurant there. So I don't know how much research they did, but I don't think they did much. Now, retail.

Sir, what's retail to you? What kind of shops or stores are inquiring? Poor man doesn't know, but he said retail. Okay. I'm I and we we this is the third time we've been here. Twice storage units were turned down. People came, they said no. The second time they came, no. We're here the third time. Please say no.

I feel like I'm pleading or begging, but you people have our future in your hands. My neighbors, every time spring comes, March or April, they're out there with the fertilizer. We're not a bougie, bougie neighborhood, neighborhood, but we're good, solid citizens. We want to keep it green. We want to keep green. We're proud of where we live. We have flowers. Take a truck or a car, drive down our neighborhoods. You will see how nice they are. And they're older homes.

They're not brand new where they should look new. So the only thing I can say, please, when you think of us and think of the storage units, if you lived in my neighborhood, would you want those storage units? No. You wouldn't want them either, and you wouldn't want them in your entrance way. So I just feel I don't wanna settle for that. And I thank you for your time.

Ron Steak, 56 Magoon Drive. I'm on the North Side, I guess. I, for one, don't have a problem with storage units there. I think it's

a good

fit. I don't care what you put in there, you're going to have traffic going around. I've had storage units in the past. I think I've seen them three times a year. I know nobody likes change, but I don't think it's a bad option for the place. It's low impact for us. I do have some questions, though. I know they said they was going to leave the vegetation to a certain extent down that whole north end. But he did say the sewer line has to come out of there, which is within that vegetation. And in talking with him, the storm sewers also has to come through there.

So all that vegetation is going to get tore out of there, getting those pipes in and out. So saying that are existing vegetation is going to stay at least on the north end isn't going to happen. So I would like to see some mounds put in, more trees, more vegetation. If they are going to go in there, at least hide them for us. Because you know when you start digging down ten, fifteen feet in the ground, you're that wide.

And you're only 25 feet off the perimeter. That's my biggest drawback with them is just getting us screened. I know there's a lot of dirt to the east end that could probably be down, could be mounded, trees put up on there to where we hardly even see the buildings then, if that's an option or not. That's my biggest complaint with them. Thank

you. Thanks.

Thank you. Hi.

Hello? Doesn't sound like it's on.

I'm sorry?

I said it doesn't sound like it's on.

Yeah.

You can

stand in front of the podium as well.

Oh, here he comes.

Oh, now that you set

it down, did sound like it was on Yeah. I just had a couple of questions. On this back building, Building 5, I guess this is where they're going to be storing the boats and the RVs back in this big building. So I just don't understand why. The thing is with the noise, that's one thing.

But another thing is that why is it so long? Why isn't it as short as the other buildings? Why do they have to have it stretched all the way across the back? Because the people up on Gunrich and then even on part of Magua there on the corner, we're gonna hear a lot of noise going in there. And you're also going to see this is still 17 what is it? 17 feet? 17 feet tall?

Yeah.

Yeah. So is it a flat roof?

It's a low pitch.

Low pitch. Okay. So I'm just worried about the noise back there when they're loading the boats and RVs, the mostly the boats going in and out. And then I do have another question. Are these boats going to be like loaded into the lake from this company that's running this storage building? Or is it just people renting these units And they're going to put their boats into the water themselves? How is this working? Because I remember before we talked about this in the beginning when we started all of this with the units.

Before you answer, could you please come forward and talk in the microphone so we could hear the answer? And before you step away, we didn't I'm sorry, we didn't catch your name and address.

I'm sorry. My name is Theresa. I live at 66 Magua Drive, Theresa Leiter.

Okay, thank you.

Okay, thank you.

It would just be storage, no loading into the lake for anybody.

So also one more question. So the on the side of Magua, you're not going to be you're going to pull into the front of the fifth building, and then you'll load in the front of that building. Is that what I'm understanding? I might. Okay. So there's going be how many garage doors are going to be across here in the front?

Jim, can you maybe just put your site plan? Just leave it up there There's and they can put it

19 units in that building.

There will be a garage door for each one facing to the west.

Okay. And then I just had another question while he's here. How many feet then is it off of Magua?

It is off of this property line, the north property line, 60 and a half feet.

60 and a half feet. Okay.

And then the property to Magua, the residential property.

Okay.

And it's off the east property line, a 157 feet? That what you said earlier?

Yes. Does slope down. But these buildings are still above all of our these buildings are going to sit up higher than our property. Our property is down lower than this, probably by about, I'd say, five or six feet on Magua. It sits lower. So another thing, you're looking at water runoff, if it does run off into the backyards of Magua. So we are sitting way lower than how this is being built.

We're controlling all the storm water runoff to maintain it on the property before going into the public system.

Okay. As long as you so okay. We need

to hold the microphone.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. Folks at home and

Do you need me to repeat that?

Please.

Sure. We are controlling all the storm water on property, so there will be no runoff to adjacent properties. It'll go through the underground storage retention, detention basins before going into the public system.

And then one more thing. Last year was it last year they came and we went over these drawings? Okay. And then, I mean, the buildings were much nicer. And the fence was eight foot tall, and it was solid. It wasn't a six foot see through fence, and it was made out of block. So I don't understand why did they change everything about building this to save money or Yes.

No. No. That's not true.

Okay.

No. It was we're trying to be as possible. We had to work within certain restrictions of the civil engineer as far as water collection Right. And and maximize. It is all masonry construction with a little bit of metal at the top to break up the materials. But it is a solid eight inch block construction. So

But why didn't they just approve last year's? All they had to do was lower that back building.

I was just going to say that, but go ahead please.

That was reviewed as a discussion item at that point, so there was no vote here. It was just kind of getting you guys' feedback Okay. Trying to work with

Yeah, mean, in this fence, I don't like the idea of the fence. They should put up like they were going to like an eight foot solid vinyl fence. So there's no that's six foot. I mean, they could jump that fence. Anybody that wants to get in there, they're going to break into the units. That's another thing you kind of worry about. I mean, if anything, I wish the property would had condominiums or something put on it like the ones across the street.

Can I ask a quick question? Are you in the first duplex on Magua?

No, we live in a house. We live, like, four houses up.

Okay.

That's fine. I didn't

see your name. That's why. Was trying to figure out slope or the grades that you brought up, and I didn't see your name on as an

Well, Matt McGee.

McGee. McGee. Okay. You're McGee.

Yes. Okay. All right.

So it looks like looking at the grading map that from from your house and then the gentleman who spoke earlier who also lives on Magua, the grading of where the buildings are would be level with your property.

So they're gonna they plan on digging this completely down and getting rid of all this dirt back up in there where they're going to build these units?

I mean, they're not going to like they're going to keep the hill that goes up into the neighborhood, but there's going to be some grading that happens.

There will be very little movement near your house. Mr. Stake and Mr. Matthews will have dirt movement behind them. But you're at that point almost at the basin in place of that slope.

Yes.

There is very little movement for where you live, if you're the McGee property.

Yes, that's correct. Okay, that's just all I wanted to say. Thank you.

Hello. I'm Lee Maynard. I live at 155 Magua Drive. We've been there thirty four summers, so we've been there a time or two. My biggest worry about this project is the traffic on Magua. I mean, he alluded to in phase two, they're talking about something with probably a drive in coming through, and all that traffic's gonna funnel from one side to the other down my road. If anybody goes to go to this complex or even Googles for directions in Arlington, they're gonna come down my road. We all walk that road. We walk our dogs. My granddaughter comes over. We walk to the bowling alley. You know? And, it just it just seems like it's not necessary. There's too many storage units around. They've they've talked.

He hasn't up kept up for the place since he bought it in 2017. There's been nothing done. You know? And it should it's this doesn't belong in my neighborhood. That's all I gotta say. Thank you.

Thank you.

Hi. I'm Hi, I'm Joe Wathe with ninety Vine Winery. First of all, I'd like to start off we're at 3950 South Main Street. First of all, I'd to start off by saying that we're all for local businesses that strengthen our communities. So that being said, I have a few questions and concerns. Like, first of all, right on South Main Street, on phase two, is there going be a legal obligation to proceed with phase two after phase one is approved? That's question. Is there a timeline for phase two, which I think you somewhat addressed? So and can they abandon phase two after phase one is done? So that's three major questions I have.

My served on the long range planning committee, and we were excited about some of the ideas the Lake District about the Lake District in our area. This is the only part of green that abuts the lake, and we would like to see more retail frontage. The new owners of South Main Plaza are doing a nice job making improvements, so we're fortunate for that. And just we're really concerned about the visual impact bringing down our property value as a business. And also, I did a five mile search for the storage unit facilities, and there's nine storage unit facilities within five miles.

I also called three of the storage facilities, and they all had multiple units available. So my main concern is we have weddings at the winery periodically. And to see something like just Origins Cross Street, it's not really pleased about that. But that's all I have. Thank you.

Thank you.

And Steph answer that first question that he had. No, there's no legal requirement. But what the developers indicated was we wanted something more than storage units fronting on Main Street, and that's what they came back with, was commercial type property facing Main Street, which is what you asked for just And that's what he's indicated on the plan. But I can't legally make him even build. We could give him approval tonight on what you see up there. There's no legal requirement for him to even build it.

Hi. My name is Laura Smiley. I own multiple properties in the neighborhood that is attached to this project. My residential address is 195 Gennar. First, I want to thank FourPoints for coming out. I want to thank the city for reviewing this now the third time. I also want to thank the gentleman that is answering questions for the developer. But I'm going to say I'm disappointed that the owner of the organization that wants to develop this land is not here to answer the questions themselves. I'm not sure if Jeff Noble's in the room. Hi, Jeff.

It's nice to meet you. I appreciate that the councilman for Ward 4 is here because you're the gentleman that I'm going to come to every time I have questions about this development in your next term which starts January. Okay. Here's my thoughts on the storage units. As it's been reiterated several times, I came up with 11 storage units.

A couple of those properties aren't listed as storage units as a business as B1 but that is what they are used at as. Looking at direct impact not only on the financial side of the residents that live in the neighborhood but for the community the city of Greene I guess I have questions about what the tax income is on this development and how the city is going to profit by it. I estimated that there is probably about $5,000 in fees for construction fees and permits just in general there, let alone tax assessments every year. Again, I estimated, but I'm going to guess that they are going to sit somewhere between $45,000 and $80,000 a year on these properties.

You're talking about real estate property tax?

I am. You're probably accurate.

Okay.

So I just want that to be clear that the city is going to profit off of this on some levels. But where the city is not profiting

Let me clarify something.

Please.

Just so we the City of Green has a $2,400,000 our $2,400,000 on property taxes. We get very little amount of money off of property taxes. So quite honestly, any investment in property, real estate improvements pretty much goes to the city of Green Local Schools, which is not the city of Green.

Okay. Well, my concern to you about owning property in the neighborhood is how much does this cost me? In reference to how much the city does acquire from the construction, whether it be in fees or to the schools, what does it cost me as a resident? The reason why I own multiple properties in this neighborhood is because it's a neighborhood. It's been there for fifty plus years. The trees are big. It's not new construction. Every neighborhood or the other thing too, I want to thank everybody for showing up. I think it's important. I've met more of you tonight.

I see you when I'm out walking, and I see you when I'm working on my front porch. But I think it's valuable that the neighborhood came out tonight. And like I said, I'm disappointed that the developer is not here, the owner of the property. Because I do think there's questions that need to be answered about the lack of development there the last six years. The building plans originally incorporated a coffee house.

There's been two new coffee houses that have been built on South Main Street in the past year and a half. I'm not sure if a coffee place is still what they're considering putting in there because now they have competition. A couple of questions for the architecture. I know that there are conifer trees on the front of the buildings, but I would ask that if this project moves forward, that the conifer trees line the entire property and not trees that lose their leaves in the winter and fall because that is going to impact as well as some of the lights and visual that happens, and that will happen yearly. So that was one thing just on the development with the trees.

I appreciate that they're going to have an employee there from 8AM to 8PM but a lot of things happen after it gets dark and that's already been mentioned you know what has happened at the other storage unit up on Turkey Foot I tried to find the city records for that on the fire station side today, what actually happened there. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to locate that. And it might have been that I wasn't looking in the right place. Or from what I heard from one of the other neighbors, that it hadn't been published yet, whether that's true or not. So there's a lot of concerns.

And my request would be, if you have concerns about this or if you don't feel like your answers are being answered tonight, that this is tabled once again, and we're given the opportunity to come back and talk about it as a community in the future. Thank you.

Madam chair, may I ask staff a question? Tom or Wayne, as as she noted, we've seen this now the third time, And there have been, I believe, if you could tell me what has been the largest difference. Obviously, there's no boat storage, the large boat storage from the first time we saw it in 'twenty one. And now in 'twenty four, there was a slight variation to that. What was the biggest change between last year and this year regarding this plan?

It was primarily the idea of what's going on Main Street. Okay. So when you go back on properties like this, you can't put offices or anything towards the back. I mean, one, offices are not exactly a high commodity right now. But utilizing the more eastern part of this property for the storage units allows something to happen out on the phase two part of this, and that's kind of what we asked them to do was we want something we do not want storage units out on Main Street, and they agreed to that.

So the idea was we want some type of commercial entity, and it's always been discussed about something on the corner, more don't want to and we as the planning department and doing the economic development, I can tell you this, that Main Street is a hard sell for anybody. We know the idea. We work with South Main Center. We've been working with them since it got taken over by new management. He also realizes he doesn't have the traffic counts to justify certain things.

Yes, Woody's is successful. It's been there for a long time, okay? Those coffee shops are not in green. I'm just telling you. I mean that you someone brought up about new coffee shops.

I'm not advocating for a coffee shop on the corner. What I'm saying is they like to bring something that is a convenience to the people in that area. And the idea is really to capture you capture South Main Street traffic, and South Main Street doesn't have a I'm not advocating for more, but it's hard it's a hard sell from a commercial standpoint because of the amount of ADT traffic on South Main Street. That's why it's going to take a little bit of time to justify the commercial development. But the developer is saying, I'll agree to that and push all this stuff behind everything.

So that's where we got to this plan from 'twenty four to 'twenty five. In 'twenty one, if you remember, it was no different than Sandy Beach Marina. The concept was, We'll go up. And, yeah, at that point in time, this was multistory buildings. This is 18 foot not even 18 foot, 17.9.

Looks like a garage. That's less than a garage sometimes. I mean there's people with peaks on their garages that are higher than 18 feet. So that's what they I believe the architect tried to strive for. The comments that were brought up about nobody wanted to see rooftops, keeping it low profile, keeping it pretty benign to the neighborhood, you can't get any less traffic than something similar to this.

That's the bottom line. And you don't know what's going to happen out front, but he's agreed to try to make it commercially acceptable with a good facade facing Main Street, making an investment in that neighborhood, making something that is compatible with the businesses across the street. So that's where we got to from 'twenty four to 'twenty five.

Thank you. Knowing that Phase one is what we're talking about, obviously, Phase two is still up in the air and not guaranteed at

this

juncture. Knowing that we didn't want to see storage units from South Main. Is there any thought or to putting any type of vegetation along that line because of Phase two, again, not being guaranteed?

Well, I believe the vegetation in Phase one is like included, right? Is that along that? Thought it was just on

the north Side.

There is vegetation, but they are putting parking right in front of the first storage unit. There could be a possibility of some type of temporary, but they do have don't have the landscape plan up.

I see that.

It will be on that slope in front.

Yes.

Correct. Got it.

So this would be lawn that.

We're

We're able able

We're

erosion, seeding that area. And then the trees that we propose out front are part of phase one.

Thank you.

Sure.

Yes, please. I have a quick question actually for anyone who either spoke tonight or hasn't spoken yet but lives in that area of the neighborhood. I'm curious what you would find as an appropriate or ideal use of that property, seeing that it is between a neighborhood but also part of Main Street. And we see businesses wanting to see retail or other storefronts along Main Street but as a neighborhood what would you like to

see that property look like? Please remind us of your name and address.

Again, Des Wertheimer, 130 East Turkey Foot. Again, I'm across from the plaza. You know, again, I was I was 14 or 15 when they built the plaza. So, the hope was that a restaurant could go in. You know, there was there's been talk.

The previous developer, had talked about, you know, demoing demolishing part of the plaza on the North Side and actually moving where the, Buellers is and building a bigger Buellers in the back because Buellers is not happy with the size of the store. Something that could be done there. But the idea that a restaurant couldn't go in of some kind, I mean, not even it's a beautiful property. It's kept up real nice. They have great traffic, good food. They can they can do that there. Why can't it be done here? Yeah. No problem. Absolutely, sir.

And as as a neighbor, we appreciate businesses that take care of it, but we have a lot of businesses that haven't been taken care of. That's the biggest issue. And, again, the concern by most of us is, again, six years, nothing. And storage units, it's not really transitional zoning. You want to transition from retail to a residential.

I don't feel that that would be there. So a restaurant, they could put a small plaza in what they are planning. But again, I'm absolutely not convinced that phase two is anything more than window dressing to satisfy zoning. Because if they haven't been able to come up the money to do something over the last six years yeah. Okay. I believe it when I see it, and I don't think I'm gonna see it.

I'll add to that as also living in the neighborhood. I would like to see something. Right? We have been talking about this piece of property, which is set empty for a really long time now. I have no idea when that root beer stand went out of business.

But and they've come this the owner, this developer has come forward multiple times with what they can make realistic. Right? And we've continued to shoot it down because of the concerns from the neighborhood. And but however, I think something is better than nothing to show that there is reinvestment in Main Street that I know the Buehlers Plaza is doing the best they can, but it is an older plaza and I can imagine it's not very attractive, right? So having something new here may help that, may help all the businesses that are still on Main Street, those across the street, to just generate more traffic because Main Street, as it is now, is an extremely overbuilt road, which is why everyone speeds on it.

But if we start investing in Main Street with this property, that will help generate other investment. And so I think personally, as someone who lives in the neighborhood in this area, I want to be able to see something. I want to see some movement happening to show that we are investing in Main Street and to hopefully bring other retail online or to fill the Buehlers Plaza or, you know, and to keep the businesses that are there that have been there for a really long time like Woody's and the Naughty Vine to keep them there so we don't continue to lose businesses on that street like we have for the past few years which has been the trend.

She Oh. Lives there. Mhmm.

My name is Matt McGee. I live on 66 Magua Drive. And I just wanted to point out that, you'd mentioned how, you didn't want the storage units on South Main Street. So you think it's okay to push them back in the neighborhood, but you don't want them on South Main Street where there's no houses, except for one fellow who lives across the street. So you want me to live next to this building, but you don't want it on South Main Street.

And I might add that the building that you don't want on South Main Street is the biggest building, and you want that back beyond what the current buildings that are there, the shopping center. This is going behind that. It's going further back in. And it's not only that, it's the largest building. So it encroaches even closer to the neighborhood.

On top of that, my particular property is below 15 feet at least. You have to go up to get to where this building is gonna be. Now you look at you'll say, oh, well, the house is the same same height. The yards go like this. There's a big mound on that property. And even in the neighbors, there's a big house or a big mound. So all that you say you got the runoff. Great. Sounds great. And you did change the building a little bit, but you're still squeezing everything in there.

And you're like, oh, well, South Main Street, let's build it up. You already admitted South he's not even listening. But you already admitted South Main Street's a hard sell. So let's not sell the front property. Let's push it back to the neighborhood. It just doesn't make sense. It's about greed. You can do better. And, that's all I have to say. Thank you.

Can I say something? So as a commercial real estate broker by day, I know a few things about what's going on at the Plaza and what he's trying to do. I just had a client look into that, and he's doing everything he can to get people in there. And I can tell you my people pass because they don't want to be down there. Joe's got an incredible facility. It's a destination place, which makes it totally different from any restaurant. So it's a difficult place to sell. I agree with Ms. Laura. I'm very disappointed that the owner is not here.

Very disappointed. Know, Jim's just the architect. Nick's an employee. I would love to know what the theory was behind just one building for boats because there's actually need for people who boat a place to store their boats. Why so many single individual storage units?

Why not more, if not exclusive boat RV? And truthfully, at 17 feet, that's a pretty tight fit for RVs. So again, from my professional background standpoint, look, it's a hard sell. And Joe, you got a great place. And I can promise you guys that landlord for the plaza, great guy, and he's doing everything he can throwing money at tenants or build out everything. But people are struggling going there.

Madam Chair, an additional comment regarding the fact that the owner not being here and coming before us twice before. I echo my other commissioner's thought and the fact that it's disappointing, knowing that we've spent time on this issue twice before. And now we're because the the plaza in the front is not a guarantee, as we've we've discussed, and and we've beat a little bit of that that horse a little bit, but in in the sense that it's a little bit of a carrot in my mind that let's get the storage units in, and then then we'll go to phase two. So I echo my commissioner's concerns as well, fellow commissioner's concerns. Okay.

Don't know.

Please remind us of your name and address.

I'm sorry. Jean Brennas. 129 Gunnar Drive. I don't know if this works or not, but there were the root beer stand was. You needed some ideas. Okay. I don't know. A doughnut shop. They got plenty of parking there. You go in, have your coffee. People love doughnuts. Look at Dunkin' Donuts Donuts or all the other ones. And they put Starbucks maybe to rest. Okay. What about a law firm? There could be some lawyers that are out there that are already set in business, a nice building, appointments. You've got parking in the front. What about an engineering firm? They could develop a building there. A doctor's office, a dental office, something like that.

You've got parking. You have a nice building. You have landscaping and maybe flowers. And guess what? It's existing, and I'm sure there's many people in the area that would utilize these things. I don't know if if that's what you're thinking, but food for thought.

Thank you. Madam Chair, there seems to be a lot of outstanding comments and questions, especially even from members of the commission, that are probably best answered by the owner to help us better understand the intent of this. So I'd like to make a motion to table this until our next meeting when the owner can be present to help answer some of those questions that we might have so we can get a better understanding.

I agree.

All right. I'm assuming So that is your so that is a motion that we have officially on the floor, correct? Fishman did. Okay. I will need a second.

I second.

Okay. So we have a motion and a second to table until the owner can be present at our next meeting to discuss this further.

Can we have discussion before we make the vote? Is that appropriate?

You have a motion and a second, and you can open it up for discussion.

Okay. We can open it up for discussion to the commissioners. Yes. Just my opinion.

These folks have all come here tonight. They've come here before a couple of times. And now if we table this, now we're going to have to have them all come back again. I've seen a lot of these projects over the years, a lot of these projects. And I think this project was as well represented tonight as almost any I've ever seen.

Compliments to you and the job you did presenting this project. Now, what the owner can add from there, I don't know, but I know there's two guys down there at the end of the table, three in this group, that have probably talked to the owner and have gone through all of this already. I just don't know the value of tabling it. But I agree. That's one person's opinion.

I agree.

I under it speaks volumes that the owner is not here this evening or provided a statement. I under I appreciate the presentation that you two did for this project. But seeing how we've, again, gone through this twice And the questions that I had were answered this evening. And again, thank the neighboring property owners and the neighborhood for coming this evening.

I have a couple other comments, but they're directed to them. So that's not appropriate for right now. Sorry.

Okay. All right. So we do have a motion on the floor to table and a second that we will need to vote on, which will then open it back up for discussion and or another motion. So

the motion that is pending right now would table the issue? Correct. And then if if that is voted down, then a motion would need to be made for item 2,541 to either favorable or unfavorable and voted to either pass or not pass? Just

remember, if you want to vote for or against later, you're going to have to vote no for the tabling.

Correct. Yes. So if you want to be able to vote, like Wayne said, on this item this evening, you are going to vote no on the motion that is currently on the floor. Understood. All right. Can we have roll call, please? Ms. Anderson? Yes. Mr. Bishman?

Yes.

Ms. Chatzi? No. Mr. Birch? No. Ms. Lodrosky? Yes.

Three, that sounds good.

Yes. So did

three two.

So it passed, which means it is tabled until the owner can come and represent it next time.

I'll just

make a couple of comments that I wasn't able to make. But and I'm not first of all, no one's we have not had a crowd this big all year, maybe for a long time. So thank you for coming. We appreciate you take interest in this and that you care, and that's meaningful to us. I will say that from my knowledge, and I'm old, so I have a little bit of knowledge, no wisdom, but a lot of knowledge, These are this is a very and I'll take Mr.

Stake's comment, a very low impact project. This is a low impact project for this piece of property. There's no outdoor storage. Most of our storage facilities in the city now have outdoor storage, which I think really messes up the way they look. There's no outdoor storage here.

And that's better than a lot of the storage facilities we have. I can't speak to the safety issue. I know that's paramount on your mind, and it should be. I don't know what kind of problems we have these other storage facilities, and that data has got to be available. But and I appreciate the fact that that's what you're worried about.

But from a use of this piece of property, I view it as a low impact project. And that's what the city did when our staff sat down with these guys and said, Okay, we'll go and present this. But again, it's tabled tonight, so you don't have to worry about that. But you will have to come back.

When will the next meeting be? I'm just asking.

All right.

So the question was when the next meeting would be. So Wayne, I assume that this would be then added to the January?

It will be added to the January meeting, which I don't have my phone, January.

Twenty first?

Twenty first.

01/21/2006

All right. I

can't guarantee the owner will be here, but that's what we heard tonight was, where's the owner? So I think that's why the motion I can't speak for you, but that's why the motion was made. Can we get the owner here to answer some of your questions? I don't know his schedule or what, but

Madam Chair, may I ask perhaps everybody on the list tonight if they could be notified of the next meeting instead of just the contiguous property owners?

We can do that as long as we have an address.

Yeah, I think.

We should have on the sign So in

thank you.

Sign in. All right. So everyone, just so that it's on the record since we have a discussion, if you have not signed in, please sign in with your name and address in the back sign in sheet so that you can be notified of the next meeting.

It may say counsel on it, but go ahead and use it.

All right. So that concludes the business items for meeting this evening. We are now moving on to the next portion, which is unfinished business, which I believe we do not have any. So then the next item is approval of our November 2025 meeting minutes.

So moved. Do I have

a second? Second. Go ahead, Doran. You take it. Can we please have roll call? Who voted?

Nora. You were you were second. Who's first?

I was second. Nora was second. Who's first? Oh, Mike, you were? Okay. Mike was. Yes. Mike was. Mhmm. Sorry. So roll call, please. Roach. Yes. Miss Anderson. Miss Chadzy. Yes. Mister Bishman.

Yes.

Yeah. I don't think

I would.

Miss Wodrovsky. Yes. Did I call everybody? Okay. Excuse me, if I could kindly ask everyone to please step out into the hallway to carry on your conversations. We do have the rest of the meeting to close out this evening. Thank you again for your participation. All right. So I believe our minutes have been approved. The next item on the agenda is the Director's Report.

Okay. So our January 21 meeting, we'll have this brought back. Do have one other item on the agenda. Two other items on the agenda. And we will also, have our organizational meeting. So think about it. I mean, I'm just saying, think about it if you feel okay with being Chair or Vice Chair.

I guess. All right. Thank you. The next item then on the agenda this evening is our Council Liaison Report.

Thank you, and congratulations on your eight year service. Thank you very much for serving the city. It's nice to see the people on this Board and the diversity of backgrounds and interests. So appreciate of the Board for the work you do in our community. Just going to briefly go over a couple of things that we have been doing on Council as it relates to perhaps your work.

First of all, at our last meeting, we approved both the operating budget and the capital budget for 2026. The capital budget is $24,000,000 and change, and the operating budget is 47,000,000 almost $48,000,000 So both of those were approved. Also at the meeting, we had three pieces of legislation related to the Arlington Road corridor. First, the right to use eminent domain to acquire the necessary right of way for that project. We also assigned that work to a law firm, Brenna Mana and Diamond.

And we also allocated part of the property that we own on the west side of the Butler Arlington intersection. We appropriated the right of way necessary to complete the project, the Arlington Road project. So we also did that at our last meeting. We authorized a joint work agreement between the City of Green and Kavanaugh to put a restroom facility at Creek Farm Park. That's about a $450,000 project.

The Kavanaugh portion is just shy of $80,000 The prefab restroom facility is about $350,000 And so the city is doing some grading and other work as part of that project as well. So that should be done by the time ball season starts in spring. So that's good news in the area. Interesting that the we had an ordinance in front of us for the 30.5 acres of land at Greensburg Road that And I'm sure you saw the applicant withdrew their request to counsel.

So you

probably will see that again at some point. There was also legislation I thought was interesting for planning that the Council adopted a resolution for a moratorium on accepting applications for and granting of zoning certificates for any vape shops for a period of time of twelve months. So based on what we're seeing with the products that vape shops are selling, counsel thought it was a good idea to see perhaps what could be done about that. And so there's a twelve month moratorium on that. And just one last thing.

We also passed a resolution allowing the mayor to apply for Federal Transportation Alternatives Program funds, which is a grant for extending the trail on Steese Road further to the west down to Springdale. And so, council also allowed the mayor to make that request for $1,000,000 the total project cost would be about $1,800,000 And so that's what's happening at Council. Again, we appreciate your involvement at this level. Oftentimes, we see what bounces out of this group to counsel, and then sometimes we don't. Sometimes, you are the deciding vote, much like the issue here this evening. So, you all for your work, and congratulations again to Christi for your service. Thank you very much.

Thank you. All right.

Well, that brought us to the end of our agenda. So I'm going to go ahead, if there is nothing further, and make a motion to adjourn. Can I have a second? I'll second. All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed? We are adjourned.