Planning Board - Regular Meeting

the planning board of the town of Brunswick for our uh December 18th meeting. Everybody please rise for the pledge of

allegiance. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands [clears throat] one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Our agenda this evening as it was posted on the town website and the town board is as follows. Number one, Paramont Building Group major subdivision. Applicant proposes a major subdivision on approximately 33 acre parcel of land as well as construct a new road with a culde-sac and a water line extension on property located on the northeast corner of Spring Avenue extension and Crick Road. Paramont Building Group of New York is the applicant. Just want to make sure they're here. Okay. Uh number two, national grid site plan and special use permit. Applicant seeks uh site plan approval and a special use permit for construction of a and operation of an energy transfer station on property located at 1278 Spring Avenue National Grid is the applicant. This uh the applicant has uh asked to be removed from our agenda tonight and placed on our agenda for January 15. So, uh, they will not be on our, uh, uh, docket tonight. Number three, Fiser Minor Subdivision. Uh, applicant seeks minor subdivision approval to create three new lots on property located at 842 Tamarak Road. Rebecca Fischer is the, uh, the

applicant. Number four, AT&T amendments to site plan and special use permits. This was listed as tenative. Is anyone here from AT&T? Did you hear from Okay. Applicant seeks amendments to two previously approved site plan and special use permit applications concerning wireless communications facility located at 227 uh Bald Mountain Road and 88-9. How do you pronounce that? Paradish.

Palish.

Palish. Thank you. AT&T is the applicant. And number five, Tranquility Bookshop site plan and special use permit. Applicant seeks uh site plan approval and special use permit to modify an existing residential structure into a bookstore. Uh Tranquility Book uh bookshop LLC is the applicant. And we also have one item under new business. So, uh, with that being said, our first, um, order of business is to review and and, uh, approve the minutes of December 4th. Has everybody had a, uh, opportunity to take a look at that? Is there any amendments, changes, corrections?

Russ, if I could, we'll note a few corrections. By all means, we

we'll note for the record, page six, line 14, there's the phrase until the site plan should read until the review of the site plan. So, we'll note that correction. Page seven, line 11, right now it says O- site instead of onsite. That should be corrected. Page 11, line six currently says 60 period should be 60 period. We'll note those corrections. And also [clears throat] on page nine, lines two and three, this is dealing with the lead agency uh for the National Grid Project. uh currently says a motion was made to declare the planning board lead agency should say to declare the planning board's intent to serve as lead agency. Okay. And same change on line three. And also on page nine as well as on page line third line up from the bottom on page nine. First line on page 10. The terms special use permit should be waiver of subdivision. [clears throat] So those would be corrections to the minutes. Okay. Anyone else have any uh corrections? Thank you for uh pointing those out, Andy. And uh I will make a motion to approve the minutes with those corrections.

Second. There's a second. Any further discussion on the minutes? All those in favor of approving the minutes? Any opposed? Thank you. Okay, first on our agenda is the Paramount Building Group Major Subdivision.

Good evening everybody. Good evening. How are you? I'm doing well, thanks. How are you? Good.

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M of engineering here again on behalf of Paramount Building Group presenting the proposed Bton Ridge subdivision. Um so since our uh last presentation we've been um working on this excavation plan proposed excavation plan for the uh for the subdivision um back and forth uh quite a few times with Wayne's very patient um and went through it with us um but we did take and we've submitted the cover letter along with our excavation plan TJ the attorney will be here shortly. that he's he's got the paper copies for everybody, but um the the cover letter itself, I can let TJ go through in a little more detail when he arrives momentarily. Um but as far as the report, so this is kind of the big the big submission. No real changes to the site plan site plans since our last presentation, but the the plan itself, you'll see as you as you work your way through the document. Um, we give a description, general description of the whole site and what's being proposed. We move into existing site conditions, proposed site conditions, and what the excavation work for this will include. um and phasing and different methodologies for the excavation of the material measures that will be used during the removal of the soil. Um one of the big things that seemed to be a concern to the board, so we wanted to make sure that we brought this with us tonight was the phasing of the excavation. So, we've got here a full-size plan, the proposed phasing plan for the site. Um, it's split up into approximately 5 acre sections. Um,

which also helps with compliance with storm water. So, our initial phase here we're expecting to be the first uh 500 ft or so of the roadway as well as excavation of the storm water pumps for the site prior to moving into the next stretch of the roadway towards the culdeac. as we're working our way into the site. This will kind of create a natural bowl when they're working, which is one of those mitigated me measures to um keep the excavation work, you know, as far away from any receptors as possible, such as like adjacent residences. Uh most of the noise is going to be confined right towards the center of the parcel. It's a pretty large parcel. The road itself is approximately a thousand feet long to this point. So um after phase two is complete, we see um rolling into phase three being the northern lots and the grading in this area followed by phase four establishing the grades for these driveways, the southern driveways. Um and it would include construction of the the final home on lot number 18 there. So we did we went through in in pretty pretty uh intense detail some of the comments or some of the those three uh items that we had concern with during the last meeting we had um see through the EAF questions um part two question one date on the EAF was the proposed action may involve the excavation and removal of more than 1,000 tons of natural material. So, we did we did a very deep dive into the Seeker Handbook and looked at other uh projects in the area.

Um and really found that the site meets the specifications for a project that would have uh noted a small impact because of the fact that all the excavation work being completed is in an effort to establish a site plan in a subdivision. Um the next question FEF part two question onee. Um and again uh Mr. Chair, let me know if you'd like us to go you'd like us to go through um in full detail.

Well, let's just back back up just a second here. Um at our last meeting uh there was a review of a part two and at that uh review of that it was determined that there were several areas that were major impacts which would possibly lead to a secret determination more positive than negative. and uh you are going to address these issues in the effort to possibly have those uh categories reclassified as none or minor. Is that is that pretty much correct?

That's correct. Okay. Is that uh your impression on this one? Uh yes. the and and that's what leads has led to the excavation plan review at this point. Copy of that. Okay. Yeah. I didn't want to download 79 pages to be honest with you. Is [clears throat] the power still on? Few trees got killed. Two or three. Just give me a minute.

I would have to assume that uh this is the first time that Wayne has seen this also. Is that correct? I saw the completed um plan and the cover letter yesterday. Okay. So I think when uh you know uh when you first came up here obviously uh uh your attorney was not available at the time and you said that he would go through this a little bit more in detail. So I think I'll turn the floor over to you.

Absolutely. So um chair like you had mentioned there were some questions on the part two form of the board at least preliminarily uh decided or identified as moderate to large impacts. Um, you know, we submitted our position that we believe that they were, you know, small, but we would go back and study them harder and [clears throat] take a closer look at those and uh propose some mitigation that would um or propose some measures and best management practices through as we suggested a excavation plan to mitigate any potential impacts that could arise under those three categories. Um so in working with with the town engineer um the project engineer had put together the excavation plan. Um you know we can go through some of the mitigation measures that are involved in the or proposed in the excavation plan. um you know some to highlight that would mitigate the main impacts identified by the board or perceived impacts that could potentially happen were noise and and traffic. Um so under the excavation plan there is um an estimated timeline of one year um a limited limiting excavation time to 7 a.m. to 5:00 p p.m. Monday through Friday and 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. on Saturdays. um employing best management practices uh to reduce noise impacts. Those were drawn from some that were drawn from the noise study. So they were recommended by the noise consultant and then some additional ones that were added uh that were not recommended. Um

there was um best management practices to mitigate dust um which include maintaining a water truck on site to spray the hall roads and the excavation faces as needed. uh covering truckloads with tarps prior to leaving the site. Um there's also a list of best management practices to mitigate potential sediment tracking, including restricting site ingress and egress to stabilize construction entrances. Uh maintaining a street sweeper on site to sweep the adjacent roadway immediately if any off-site sediment tracking is observed. Um there's a list of best management practices to ensure uh sediment erosion control in addition to the SWIP including stabilization of construction entrances to prevent sediment tracking using wheel wash stations for all trucks. Using perimeter protection and sediment basins at downgradient boundaries. Um checking dams and drainage swailes. Implementing phase stabilization temporary seeding and mulching. And um so with those measures and with the conclusions of the traffic study, you know, we think that the three questions identified by the [clears throat] by the board um if they were to be moderate to large would be mitigated anyway by these measures. Um you know looking at the especially the first question which was the proposed action may involve the excavation and removal of more than a thousand tons of natural material. Um you know like we had said according to DEEC um moderate to large impacts would be those excavations or no to small impacts would be excavation projects that are under that number or projects that result in limited excavation to support site construction which is exactly what we're doing here. Um the engineer went back and forth with the town to propose a road grade that was safe and passable and that's what resulted in the final

determination of how much material needed to be excavated. So they're only excavating the amount of material necessary to to maintain that road rate. So you know consistent with what DEEC says in the secret workbook we think that that is a no to small impact. Even if the board were to find that it is moderate to large given the amount, um we think that the excavation plan sufficiently mitigates those uh potential impacts so as to the board to conclude that it does not have a significant adverse impact on the environment and issue at night. Um, moving on to the phases in more than one year. You know, part of the mitigation. Um, you know, this is something that we had to confirm with potential haulers and excavators is, you know, there was some concern as to how long is this going to take and how long how temporary are the impacts going to be? Because they are temporary impacts we're talking about. As the board knows and we've discussed, there's a book end on the long end of two years because that's the requirement of DEC. So, we work with the excavators and and contractors and they believe that they can do this excavation in one year, which is what we're anticipating in the excavation plan to shorten that time period. So, for question eight or question 1D, we feel that that would be no small impact. Um, question 8 D is one that took a little bit closer of an analysis. Um, this is about agricultural agricultural land. And so this question asks is whether we're going to whether the project's going to irreversibly convert agricultural land to non-aggricultural uses over 2.5 acres if it's in an egg district. So this property is we said it is in an egg district. However, the you viable

agricultural land here is much less [clears throat] than two acres. So if we look at the soil study, um sorry, could you say that again? The viable agricultural land is correct is what

would not exceed the 2.5 acres. So the secret workbook identifies or defines agriculture resources as farm operations, commercial farm operations or livestock. Um it's land or on land farm buildings, equipment, manure processing, handling facilities, marketing of crops, livestock, livestock products as a commercial enterprise. So, we took a look at the soil report and all of the soils that are under or underlay where the project is going to be constructed all have either severe or very severe limitations according to the NCRS soil study for agricultural productivity. Um most of that area is due to either water presence on the site or the topography of slopes over 20%. Um you know we did some digging and as far as we can tell from historic photographs which we've included in there that this site hasn't been used for anything other than intermittent haying for over two decades. Um, so you know, I think consistent with what DEC is trying to say is we're not irreversibly chain converting land that is used for agriculture or that is agriculturally viable from a commercial perspective. All right. Now we you you said you're going to go into a phasing plan of what do you think five phases?

Uh four. Four. Okay. About five acres a piece. Okay. Now is is this like consistent with a timetable for excavation? Is that what you're trying to achieve here? that you're not going to just attack the whole site at one time, but by phasing it in, you have more reasonable load going out at a reasonable time. Is that correct?

Yeah. Yeah. The it'll be again one of those mitigating factors that's being proposed is to segment into the site. Um establishment of the road will also help with the containment. some of the concerns unlike dust trafficking from the siphonings of that nature. So getting the first stretch of the road established um the subre and then a stabilized construction entrance for leaving that gives that controlled access point for the trucks into and out of the site. Um also DC requirement so you're not having sediment tracking from the project once this phase is more or less established and subgrade is achieved those soils be stabilized. So the road might have depressur run some base placed um whereas the the rest of these areas will be graded and stabilized seed and mulch material um you know in compliance with DDC requirements and as that work as that phase is closed out with work enroll the next phase keeping the total of the service of the project under five acres at all times.

Yeah. [clears throat] And the stormwater pond will act as a temporary sediment basin during the earthwork. Yes sir. Construction. Yeah, that's that's the intent. [clears throat]

So all runoff from the uh exposed soils will be directed via swailes and as the the road installation progresses uh the necessary storm structures and piping will be installed which are you know as minimal as possible. Um and all the runoff is directed to as as uh Wayne pointed out to the stormwater basins will be constructed as a sediment trap through construction. As construction's finalized, the roads completed and established and lots are established. That basin is then finished with this permanent um fixtures for um stay in place throughout the life of the subdivision.

Your preliminary assessment on this?

Um [clears throat] well, I had asked for a phasing plan. So what they've provided is um um acceptable to me. uh and the way that they're phasing as they come into the site and getting that earth work done and and the road more or less established. Getting the storm water facilities at least to a temporary nature to control runoff and sediment um collection. Um and then in the second phase finishing off uh where the infrastructure is going also kind of um indicates that this is a a real project. The subdivision,

you know, instead of going here, there and everywhere and taking the best material out first kind of would raise some eyebrows. But by phasing it this way, um they're showing that um this isn't a mine in disguise. I guess we'll say it's it's also helpful for us for D.

Yeah. Well, and they're also required to do it that way because they can't they can't strip more than five acres of property anyway uh under the stormwater guidelines. So, they have to do it in five acre segments. um can then establish um um yeah do the turf establishment and stability. Anyway, so would would this would this affect how the material is removed and and as far as uh a subcontracting this out? Is is there some concerns there with the potential biders on this this job as far as excavating?

Do you know what I'm saying? The the phasing plan. Yeah. I mean, uh if I was uh you know, ABC uh excavators and I wanted to remove all that material, I think, you know, uh Wayne brought up a good point. they would probably go for the material that best suits their needs. Uh that could be, you know, in phase three on this plan versus phase one. Does that affect how this is uh bidded out? Do you know where I'm going with that? Yeah.

Yeah. Well, they would have to they would have to make the [clears throat] phasing plan as part of the bid. They would have to conform to the phasing plan when any contractor would submit their bids for uh for excavation and who what's the over sight on on that? who oversees that that to make sure that all of a sudden well, you know, we got the boat bulldozer here and we want we want to take this this material developer and then the town would have to yeah oversee making sure the developer is doing what uh he's approved for. Okay. And the storm water inspector stormwater inspector too.

Okay. The plan the plan does become part of the storm water pollution prevention plan for the site. Yeah. which anyone performing excavation work on the site has to sign on to. They have to be uh have a trained contractor on their staff trained with DC requirements and the contractors themselves sign on to saying that they're going to follow all the requirements set forth in the SWE. If they're not doing that, then there can be you know corrective actions taking place and this and the storm water coordinator for the town which is Bill.

Okay. You're going to maintain the top soil that you're stripping on site for reestablishment of top soil since you're going down to horizon C or D, I'm assuming. Is that correct? Yeah. Yeah. Typically with us with um site work such as this, yeah, you stockpile. We do show um I don't control land some top stockpile areas on the site. Correct. Because you want to be able to reestablish lawn areas and things of that nature.

I believe in the excavation plan there was best management practices put in there to to manage the top. So yes. Yeah. Because you got to kind of put that in the right spot too, right? You got to have your stockpile areas uh positioned where it makes the most sense that it's not in your way and then you can get at it later, you know, right? [clears throat] Does that have to be included on the plan? Uh it needs to be included in their uh erosion sediment control plan. Okay. All right. [clears throat]

Well, obviously uh I mean at our last meeting you brought forth a draft of part two of which Well, a couple of meetings ago I did a draft of part two. Yeah. Well, I mean, but I'm going to Yeah. So, and we've been discussing it since then. I know.

Yeah. So my uh my impression now is that this has to be studied a little bit further by you and then um possibly reddrafting part two for our consideration. I would I would like to dive into everything here and um read through everything and yeah and draft up another part two based on this information. Uh and would you

Okay. So then it would have to be deter then we'd have to determine whether [clears throat] uh you you would recommend either a secret determination positive for with some discussion with the board. Yes. Okay. Yep. All right. Does anybody have any questions for the applicant? What's this? When you're all done removing all this material, what's going to look like a football? What do you do?

No. No. Um, yeah. I'm sorry. Good work. Topic. Yeah. [laughter] So, uh, this [clears throat] this phasing plan does include the proposed grades on here. Say that again.

This site plan, this phasing plan does include the proposed grades on it. Um and in the uh excavation plan we include the road profile um plan of profile the plan set itself has the full grading plan for the site. So um really if you look at that planet profile for the road we're required it's town requirements to have negative pitch off of the uh a town or county road here so you don't have water running off of your subdivision road and causing flooding or icing concerns. on an existing road. That's the only area where we have negative road pitch on this project. Once we establish that negative pitch away from the road, we immediately have a a vertical curve upwards and we gain a 5% grade uh minimum throughout the whole way through the termination of the culdeac. So, this is going to be um kind of a a a winding sweeping road up to the culdeac the entire way. So it is not coming in. Um that was one of the things if if the road grade had been dropped um it could it could technically be dropped significantly less than what's being proposed here the excavation the volume of excavation would have doubled or potentially tripled. Um we're proposing a 5% grade continuous up in the site.

What's the difference in elevation between the entrance and the culde-sac? Um, it's it's a 464 and it ends up in a 514. So, so it's 50 ft. It still rises 50 feet from the beginning to the culite, it rises 50 feet. Now, just as the site sits now though, and you were to put that road in on that site, Yeah. you're talking somewhere between 12 and 15% grade, I would assume. Yeah.

So, that's what's allowing you to to sit there and shave this hill off of 400,000, you know, yards. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. grades on site certainly wouldn't allow uh we call a safe and passable grade. So um we're also one of the intents um for long-term maintenance on the site was to have those roadside swailes for ease of maintenance um and cost of maintenance versus closed drainage systems. Um so with roadside swailes the steeper the grade the more potential for erosion as well. So, if you were to have that road at 10%, um you'd have long-term be battling long-term erosion. There's a couple um there's a subdivision right down the road that has, you know, you see issues with the roadside swailes.

I I know you've been asked this question before on the earlier presentations, the tree line that now you see on the uh the site now. Yep. Where is that in comparison to the final product here? Sure. So that the current tree line see this. So the current tree line um as it sits comes about here [clears throat] right about there. Um it comes a little bit past this uh this wetland. Okay.

Northern end right here. So that's kind of the the tree line as you see it. That whole [cough] corner is wooded. Yes. Yeah. This corner is wooded. You know, as you drive by and you see that. Okay. All right. Anybody have any other questions? Okay. Since we just got this obviously and uh Wayne has indicated that he'd like to study it a little bit further. And if individual members of the board have a question, they can reach out to me.

Okay. And uh at this point uh we can put you on our agenda for our next meeting at which point we'll review uh have discuss this in in more detail that he has uh uh studied it and uh be able to prepare a draft part two for discussion and possible action. All right.

Just just one thing to add is we had [clears throat] put in our letter um or even question one which exceeds the numerical threshold of 1,00 even if the board considers something to be moderate to large can still result in a net deck. And that's why we put together the excavation plan to show that the impacts that could potentially arise from that are fully mitigated. So, I just wanted to make that clear. I think that's clear to [clears throat] to Wayne. That correct? Yeah.

Okay. Um, our next meeting is on the 15th of January. Uh, just as a point of interest to the the audience, uh, we are not having a meeting on the 1st of January. So our so our first meeting uh in January and our only meeting in January will be the 15th. Okay. Do you have any other questions for us?

Yeah. Okay. I thank you for putting this together. It's very helpful. And uh we'll see you on the 15th. Sounds great. Thank you. Have a merry Christmas and a happy holiday. Merry Christmas. Thank you. Thank you.

Okay, that brings us to number two on our agenda, which was the national grid. And once again, I will uh mention that they asked to be taken off the agenda and put on our uh next meeting agenda for January 15th. Okay, next on our agenda is the Fiser Minor Subdivision while you're setting up there. Uh where are you with the uh private road maintenance agreement?

Uhhuh. Give me a chance. All right. I'm just I'm just I'm just reviewing my notes here. All right.

Good evening, gentlemen. Linda Wendy, my name is Mark Danskin. I'm a local land surveyor. I'm here with Paul Eggster, a local attorney. We're representing the applicant. Rebecca Fischer of 46 Carol Hill Court, Troy, New York. [clears throat] Premises of subject is 8 842 Tamarak Road. It's an 82 acre parcel. It's about 1,500 ft north of Indian Creek Road, which is at the intersection of Harrington Lane. I believe that's on the east side of Tamarak Road. The parcel is access through a 60 ft strip for about 1300 ft. Then it opens up into, you know, a fairly rectangular 80 acres. We have 60 ft of road frontage. Excuse me. What the client proposes is uh breaking this 82 acre parcel into three lots. One lot being a remainder parcel being lot one consisting of quite a few acres. It's on the other sheet. Uh and two 5 acre building lots. Each lot will have a minimum of 20 ft throughout its length of road frontage. And the 60 ft at the road is 20, 20, and

20. Come right up with that 20 foot of road frontage throughout. And it gets somewhat even greater near the end. The minimum width of the private roadway would be 60 feet wide. The client proposes a private roadway over the three lots here up into the property to be designed on the uh town of Brunswick cross se cross section and to have uh fire turnout at a minimum of 500 ft. There's 3,640 ft from the [clears throat] edge of the road pavement to the end of the private roadway requiring five turnouts and one turn around at the end. Colored the turnouts in blue so you can see them from 30 ft away. Uh they're all I don't know practically loc practical location you know in the area soon. Uh so each property here lot one lot two lot three is getting their 20 foot strip right here on this map. The next map is going to pick up right here. Okay you guys with me? That's where the maps join from the edge of the pavement to the end of lot number three, the beginning of lot number three. 3,640

ft. We got two or three turnarounds on this one. That one's an overlap. Have another turnaround. This is actually part of the private roadway. Turn out. Turn out. Turn out. I'm not sure what a fire truck needs. I made it 125 by 150. I will take your advice to uh revise that if necessary. seems like a good size to turn some fire trucks around. I'll leave that for your advice. Uh so the grades are pretty good. You can see the uh the existing private road or the existing driveway I'll call it leads through the site we talked about last meeting. trying to keep the roadway on that so we can utilize that. Currently, that's about 10 ft wide. It's going to need to be widened to uh 16 ft wide with 3ft shoulders. Uh it comes up to two building lots. Lot three is 3.67. Lot 2 is 3.7. However, they do own the access strip all the way down to the road, giving them totals of se uh 5.7 and 5.6 acre parcels. Uh we're fairly along with the sewage design. Steve Dean is the uh sewage engineer and he has the design done in the location of the test holes. house locations are uh preset on his plan and he's just waiting for property lines to finish his plan. I would be remiss

all these grades through here are very gentle and do not exceed 8%. The only grade that exceeds 8% or comes close to it is the grade from edge of pavement to here. The grade throughout that over that entire length is 8%. You can see I got a little hump in there. It got a little over 10% right in that little hump. And as I've said before, I've been up there several times in my Subaru and it's it's quite a gentle ride. Is the intention to take that hump out? I would think so. Okay.

I mean, I would grade it out. Okay. Uh, can that be a condition of approval? That's all I really have. Yes. Okay. All right. Now, the the drawings I have do not show the compound. No, I did not. Uh I thought I'd throw them by you before I put them on the uh those drawings are from like a month ago when I first submitted to get on the agenda. Yep.

The only changes that I've made from those drawings, I misspelled the uh gentleman's name with a K instead of an H in one spot. And Zachary that is. And I uh I just added these on my worksheet. Okay. You know, I thought I'd wait for your response. You guys just saw it last week, last meeting. As the owner contemplated how utility electric power will be.

I've got power. I've I've talked to them in somewhat length about the expense of a project this size. They feel as though it's going to be a one-year build on the road and a one-year build on the houses. I think that's aggressive. Uh what was your question? Had they contemplated electric

Oh, the power. The power. Yeah. So, I've got power. It's on the survey. I'm sorry. I took the wrong map. Got power up to uh let's see, there's power pole right here that comes off a Indian Creek through uh Elton. And uh then there's a line, uneasemented line I should say. Um there's ground markers along this property line here and I believe that runs to waters. So I don't know if they could tap into that, but they could get to the power pole because that's got two transformers on it. Uh, it's still [laughter] it's still a long way. I mean, I'm 1300 here. And I think Where did I put the power pole? Let's see. Power's right in here somewhere. Oh, here it is. Right down there. You know, so it's

So, they need an easement to bring power in if they went that way. Okay. And then they brought No, actually the power pole's on their property. There should have been an easement back the other way. Where's that pole mark? Look on the survey. And then and then there's an underground line that kind of goes like this. And it dies out. The markings die out right there. I believe it.

I know he's showed up in my title before. How did Waters access his property? Indian Creek. I'm going to ask a dumb question. Okay. Huh? Give me a dumb answer. Old Seek Road comes all the way all almost to the the corner of this property. Where is the landfill? The old town of Brunswick landfill. I can show you a better picture.

No. Uh the the reason I'm bringing that up is uh years ago we uh evaluated a minor subdivision amendment major advantage. Old Seek Road. Yep. North of the power lines other side of Old Y I looked at the report today 2007 from Alpha Engineering and said they didn't have a problem with in 2007 didn't have a problem with drilling wells. And on this map it is here the parcel you're talking about. Yeah,

they they gave us an okay and we put that subdivision in from that. Yeah. But didn't weren't those wells like uh over 600 feet down? 400. 400. That's what my client told me. Didn't they have to be treated? The water had to be treated because of uh I would have to read the report. I just got it today. I just dug it up today. I think it was something different. I think there was arsenic in them. Yeah, I think there was arsenic. I don't think it was leech at from the I thought it was sodium. I think it was ours. It wasn't enough not to put the subdivision in. Okay. So, there's houses up there now. I haven't been up there in years. I know there's at least one.

Okay. But I know uh my client also informed me today that prior to buying the parcel, he contacted several local well drillers that have worked in the area and they said that they found no water quality issues in the wells that they drilled. All right, I got one other thing for you. Where's Where's the landfill? Where am I? The landfill has got to be okay. Here's old seat. Yeah. And here's the landfill. And old seed kind of comes up like this. Yeah.

And who's this? Uh yeah. So right here there's a there's a vacant piece. And then there's LA not Lapam. Uh ah the guy who uh the guy be there's a house there. Can't remember his name. Then the next house is Lapam. Then across the street from that is Mcderman. I don't think they're in Brunswick, but they got approved since Land Vantage. I think they're in Nebraska. Okay. But there's people living all around the the dump, believe it or not. Well, it I don't [laughter] All I'm doing is just going back recalling that there was You got a good memory.

There was some water quality issues and they they they dug down deep for those wells. That's pretty long. You said 400 feet. I thought it was my clients had 400 feet. I uh I think it was more like 600 grain of salt. 600 feet apex expensive. Well, couple of pumps. Does anybody recall that? I thought it was like 648 was one hole they went down and it was cloudy. What do they call that? Turbidity. Turbidity. Turbidity was terrible. They said the turbidity was caused I thought by the iron. when they eliminated the iron. All right.

I don't know 20 years ago. I Yeah, it was a long time ago. Correction. Indian Creek meets Tamarak across from John Snider. Yes, you're you are correct. And Harington's further south. Correct. Thank you. Okay. That's the only thing you got to do years and years trying to get you Mark and find it. [laughter]

Okay, let's uh I think one of the things before we move along is the uh is the private road thing. You want to bring us up to date on that? I don't have any uh draft of it yet. I have a precedent that apparently has been acceptable for the town of Brunick in the past few years. I discussed that briefly with Mr. Gilchrist and I I'm going to reddraft it and submit it to Andy Ry's successor for their review.

All right. And it has, you know, basic provisions that seem to be relevant are there's an indemnification holdless provision for the town of Brunswick and there is a a requirement that has to comply with the town of Brunswick, the uh private roadway requirements. Okay. The rest of it is all who's going to pay when, who's going to run maintenance of the All right. So, I'll submit that probably at the beginning of I'll probably get it in beginning of next week.

Does that get involved with like a homeowners association at all or anything like that for those? Okay. All right. Um Wayne, have you any uh comments on this? [clears throat] One comment. I would like to have a plan with those turnouts on it with dimensions and the turnaround at the end. How do you like them? You like the locations? I'll give you the At first glance, they look great. I got Okay, I'll add I'll add them to the map. I got to check it against the code.

Yeah, I I put them all within 500 ft and I made them uh 20 by 50. They look a little big on the map because the driveway that's shown there is only 10 12 feet wide. So, I uh probably bumped them up a little to you got another four feet of driveway. But I think they should be part of the what what fire district is? Oh, they're definitely going to go on the final. Okay. because I got to put the fire turn around too. I uh I just thought I'd put everything on at once. What? What fire? You want me to review this and then make all the changes? This is I just had sketch review. Is this my first time? Right. That's right.

I'll add the turnouts. Is this something that the fire company should look at? Speaking of last week, I I can I can continue to do my review without that map, but at some point I need I need to get to the town by the end of the year. The end of the year, end of this year or next? You're going to have trouble with negative pitch off of Tamar Road? No. No. Okay. And do we do we need to refer this to the county because it's it is county highway

and it's close to the town municipal boundary. I did submit an extra copy of the uh plan in case it went to the county. Well, I think when you do the turnouts, the turnouts, you should center fire company should take a look at that. Okay. All right. You're close to Grafton, so they got to they got Well, fire district isn't in They'll get noticed for the public hearing. Is it in a Grafton fire district? No, I it's might be in Rmmertown, but it's probably in Brunswick. I don't know where the lines are.

None of this is is in another town, right? It's pardon me. None of this uh this acorage is in another town. Yeah. No. Okay. Close. Close. Close. Okay. Close. All right. A landfill away. Okay. Uh, so you say you're going to get a copy of the I'm going to add the turnouts and I'm going to add the uh I'm going to hold off on the note until I got his uh private roadway agreement so I can reference it clearly on the map. Okay. Okay.

But I'll add the turnouts and anything else you guys want and I'll get them to uh Wendy uh prior to January 3rd. That's a reasonable date, don't you think? Yeah. As good as any other date. Well, I mean, it gives you I mean, we got we got basically four weeks between now and our next meeting. I know, but he wants us to as long as they as long as I know it's coming and you know, you have to wait till they're on there before I complete my review. I know. That's why if I give it to you ahead of time, maybe we get a completed review at the next meeting instead of just giving them to him at the next meeting. There's always that shot. He's got a shot. Yeah.

There you go. Is it okay if I drive up there? Absolutely. Do I need any permission from anybody? He tells me to call him every time uh I go up. Don't ask me why, but he does. So, uh I'll give you permission to go up. I'll call him and tell him you're going up. Okay. Okay. probably who is he probably owner. One of the owners Freo. Oh, okay. Troy, I'll call. Your phone number is right here.

Okay. Do you want to be on our next agenda on the 15th of January? Absolutely. I thought so. Then you're on. And that's all we're doing tonight. We're not going to do uh any like seeker or anything. No, can't do that yet. Can't do that yet. No. Very good. Thank you for your time. Okay. Okay. Number four on our agenda. Yeah, probably. Okay. Another is AT&T and they are obviously not here. Uh, I'm not going to put them on the agenda for our next meeting till we hear from them. Okay.

All right. January 15th turnout. I'm going to hold off on the note. Anything else you want to add? You thinking? You think the fire uh I'm already I'm already into AT&T. [laughter] Okay. Thank you for your time. I think you can ask you call Wayne about the fire access turnouts. There's code right written appendix D the fire code. Doesn't that have the turnout? Yeah. Yeah. It's 20 by 50. I was thinking more of the turn around. Yes. There's a whole there's a diagram of that as well. You have three options. Maybe he'll give it to me.

Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Mark. Merry Christmas and have a happy holiday. See you in a month. Okay. Okay. Getting back to AT&T. Uh I'm going to suggest that we adjourn them without date at this point. And then uh final item on our agenda is Tranquility Bookshop.

So, yep. We'll know for the record that I'll recuse myself as council as I'm part of the applicant. Okay. I don't know that anything's going to come up from a legal perspective, but I'm going to sit here. Okay. provide uncompensated legal advice [laughter] so you know it's good. Okay. All right.

Hey ladies and gentlemen, my name is Jacob. I'm a land surveyor. Um, this is the site plan I have submitted for review for Tranquility Bookshop. Um, since our last meeting, we revised the parking slightly. We moved our handicap park to this area instead of in front of the building. Um, other than that, all the proposed improvements are the same from the last meeting. Um, and I will speak as to the business side of things.

Thank you. So, first I'll say that just so the board knows, uh, my wife didn't want to be here with me tonight. We're both members of the business venture. Wasn't able to attend, but she will be here for future meetings. So, as Jake said, we're here for site plan and special use permit preview. Uh, propertyy's located in the business lake zoning district. Retail use is allowed. Uh the structure is 2100 square feet. So over the 2,000 square foot threshold. Um as you know in the code if it's 2,000 ft or under in this location site plan review only. Uh but between 2,000 and 5,000 it's special use permit requirement as well. We've submitted both the site plan and the special use permit applications. Uh I included a supplement to respond to the special use permit inquiries and elements for consideration. So, I'll ask you to review that as well. In general, uh, as Jake's already reviewed, we do have an existing curb cut off road. We do have the benefit of a bit of a turn lane at the location of the driveway on Boozer Road, which is going to benefit folks getting in and out. Uh, what's shown in the lighter gray is the existing driveway for the house. This was a former res well it has been a residence and we're converting it to a commercial use that shows the existing driveway that we expanded into this parking area intentionally put on this side for a couple of reasons. We do have septic in the front which limits the ability to use this side. Uh but more importantly, we placed the parking area on the east side directly adjacent on the east is also a commercial use. This is now Howard Hannah, but it was Lorie Schindler's real estate office. It's still used as a

real estate office. So, the parking is proximate to that existing commercial use. The other benefit is when people uh come in, if headlights need to be used and pull into the parking lot, the headlights will shine in the direction of the adjacent commercial and rather than to the west where there is an existing house on the lot adjacent that's used for residential. Um there will be handicap accessibility. As Jay said, we did shift the handicap parking spot to the rear of the parking lot adjacent to what is the existing twocar garage. That twocar garage is intended to be converted to a reading room area. That will be the handicap accessibility into the structure. There will be a ramp on the side um to allow handicap access into the structure that way. There will be fencing along and that's shown along the rear property lines. Our intent is to be able to use the backyard area for um seating areas. We hope to do some landscaping back there. We're going to be having a back deck in this strike at a back patio in this area and hopefully have some outdoor seating areas. the front uh walkway that will be stared. If you are familiar with the site, if you look at it from Husseek Road, the front door is somewhat elevated and there are stairs leading up to it. That will still be stired, but the handicap accessibility will be through the side entrance that will then convert to um retail area. Again, the intent [laughter] is to have retail sales, but also a large area just for sitting. And we hope people will come to relax

and rest and read with us there. And that's the intent. What we would hope is that the board could deem the application complete for purposes of public hearing. It's a mandatory public hearing as it's a special use permit application. Uh because of that, we'd ask that the public hearing be both for the special use permit and site plan. uh and if complete refer the applications to the county as this will require county review as it's approximate to Husk Road. Um and request that the public hearing be scheduled for your January 15 meeting if the board determines it's it's complete for purposes of public hearing. Okay. Thank the board.

Thank you, Andy. Uh let me uh open up the uh uh floor to the board. Do you have any questions on this? The water service line is that that's uh public water coming down from Merrill Road. Is that uh yes, the water service comes down from Mel Road. There's water shut offs in the rear of the property. But the is do we know if the Schindler property is served by a well and not a public service? There is a well there. They indicated on the draw. Not that it matter. I guess it doesn't really affect it.

There is there is an existing well on the Schindler property. Um, however, you can check the tax form and see.

Quite frankly, I wasn't sure whether that well is even still operational, been abandoned. You can still see the top of the well casing in the yard, but I'm not sure if it's functioning, but it's upgradient from everything that you're doing. Correct. The town was good enough, by the way, when we purchased this to install a new meter in the basement. So, we get a new water meter for the public water service at the at the structure.

Um, everything here by the tax rule says everything is on public water. So, they might still use that well for a pool or something, but that's not where they get the water from. Okay. Thank you. And snow storage is intended to be at the front of parking stalls. Question mark. Um the best area for storage in this triangle area here off the front of the parking lot parking lots rather.

Right. And we'll note if we can it does show some bit plantings along the parking lot that was intentional. So that there are also some existing homes on the other side. The intent is obviously to have a retail use but allow this to still have a residential look. Um it will appear to be a residential structure as you're looking at it roadside down here, but that's really the only thing. The intent was to shield as much as we could the parking lot area provide for parking. But so folks on the other side of looking across the street, [clears throat] you wouldn't see the large parking lot. I have some vegetation there, but there's still be some snow going along there. [snorts]

Wayne, do you have any questions? [clears throat] Yes. Okay, fair enough. No more garage sales book sales. It was an [laughter] How far is the corner of that parking lot from the property line? Uh the corner with the handicap spot. Yeah. Um it's within two feet. It's pretty close.

May need special approval from the board to have it that close. All right. This would be seven feet. That would be a a zoning, right? I don't think it's a v. It's not a variance. It's just kind of you have the board has to kind of say, "Yeah, that's okay. It's a site plan [clears throat] review standard." It's not needing an in area variance, but it's something to note and request that the board subject to Chris's review, I believe, has the jurisdiction to to address that and allow that as long as they're adequate landscaping vegetation provided on the block.

And and what are the dimensions of the handicap spot? Um, probably should put that on there because you say how big the other parking spaces are. Yeah. 12 by 18. I had them at 12 by 18. I just wanted to double check that. So that singular plus plus the area that does not include the hatched area for it's 12 by 18 parking area and then the hatched area. If somebody who pulls into that parking space, can they do they have room to back out?

It's another six feet for the hatch area.

I'm just trying to figure out somebody who pulls in can back out and turn around there. Could they back out or not?

I believe there would be enough room. Um, I was concerned about that as well. When we initially had the handicap spot in front of the building, it would give a little bit more room for a handicapped vehicle to move around. However, the concern was that that handicap spot would be kind of far away from the handicap entrance. And so, we we had moved it over to this location, make it easier for them to get into the handicap entrance. I still believe there's enough room there for the vehicle to back out. I think the typical stall handicap is 10 by 18 and then the gore striping is 8 ft wide for van accessible.

You you have the dimension. We have Yeah, we have the dimension 12 and six, but they're just to make that a legal spot. It needs to be signed. There has to be a sign. Okay.

Do you think there's a an issue with that backing out? I do.

Might have to tweak the fence back a little bit to provide a little bit more. I mean, you could you don't have to tuck the handicap spot in that corner. You can you could move it over and then have regular spot in the corner as long as they had room to back up and pull out. You know, we can look at that again, but it initially there were going to be two call regular parking spots here in the handicap in front of what is currently the garage, but the entrance the intent is to have the door in the front corner and the ramp then the if you will where the handicap space is now. So the ramp would elevate up into the door that's more towards the front because that way we could sign that and people would know that that's the handicap entrance in the doors right there. So we're trying to get the handicap spot as close to the beginning of that handicap ramp as we can.

Yeah. Go through the parking lot. There's an existing door on the side of the garage there. There's not just the two bay door on the garage. There's there's a window there, but there's not a door. Is Is there an elevation uh issue? There is because we're going to have to elevate the floor level within the garage above the concrete slab. Okay.

So, we got to get some height off of existing grade. So, we need a ramp to get up to what would be the new ent door entrance elevation. Is that is that elevation like two feet less than two feet? It's it I think it's going to be about 18 inches or so. Okay. Yeah. The ramp itself meets it requirements handicapped grade for the ramp.

Getting back to the the parking place. Are you uh do you have any other questions on that, Wayne? I think I have to look at this a little closer. Okay. If you needed more room for the handicap to back around, you could push that fence into the backyard more where that gate is. You know, possible. We're trying to bring that right off the back end of the building because in this

area would be the patio. And there's a beautiful huge existing mature tree right there. So that kind of it's beautiful tree. Where's Where's the tree, Andy? It is literally right inside what would be the fence line coming out the back. There's some beautiful big mature trees on this lot. They're great, but they're not going anywhere. So any thoughts you got when location handicap? I got to look into it. See what distance they need to back out and pull up or to turn and back to get out.

Correct. We we don't want to make a parking space and nobody can get out of We had that problem with pizza place. So who's it? No, no, that's correct. Yeah. Um, and we simply want to balance that with where the proposed handicap entrance store is without having to have a distance between the parking spot or the mail. Great.

Okay. Yeah, I think the question is uh is this complete enough as it is right now to move forward with scheduling a public hearing? Um short of potentially changing how the parking is configured, I would say that it's complete enough. I can certainly work with you over the next month to come up with a configuration that feel comfortable with I mean that's okay with me. Um [cough]

any comments from the board? Linda, what do you think of Arborvites up next to the road? Um they may be safe. Here we go. We'll take your thoughts on that too. [laughter] Quite frankly, what would there are some varieties that are Are they salt resistant? Snow there. I think they're far enough away from the road, but they'd be okay. The road will keep the deer away. Hudson Valley certainly has um their providing down the road every property down there.

All right, then. Uh, so am I under the impression that we could possibly move forward with a public hearing or do you want to see what a new configuration would be? Well, if it's not if our next meeting is not until the 15th, right? I can we can give them a chance to submit it in advance of the public hearing so public can look at it in advance of the public hearing. Would that work for you? Would you do that? Oh, certainly. [clears throat] If we could have the public hearing scheduled the 15th, we can work on location. That's a month [clears throat] away.

I can see you having something by the first of the year. Give me time to look at it and then I'll Well, so you would have Yeah. If Jake and Wayne could work on that and then have a submission right after the first year so it's here on file. Yeah. When when would the public hearing have to be public hearing notice have to be advertised? Probably by the by the 5th at the latest. The fifth is a Monday. Monday. I would say ideally should go in the

January 2nd probably. It should be submitted by the 2nd. So that would be the you know the Friday obviously. [snorts] Would that work? Would you be able to get uh that the modified? I I can get Wayne something by next week. I'm unfortunately I'm traveling to work next week for a couple projects, but I think I can have somebody in my office get something over to Wayne next. Well, I mean, this may be okay. I just I can't tell just by looking. I got kind of look at the the ADA stuff.

I would add it the general site layout and parking location won't change. It's just the space configurations within that parking area. So from a public hearing perspective, we can certainly deal with the location. I I think for the most part, the footprint of the parking lot won't change. Okay. I think they there's a way they can make that work. I just

Okay. Well, let me let me ask you just a quick question. If you they they talked about moving it around and you have the entrance in the corner of the the old garage. Uh if you were to flip the ramp and put the doorway further back from the road along [clears throat] that wall to the garage, that could be something that might work also. That way it would put the the handicap spot further closer to the road.

I I hesitate only because there's been a lot of work on design on the inside of that. Okay. All right. Work with the door there. So, I'd rather keep the door in its proposed location and we'll work on the the parking layout. just thought it I the thought occurred to me as well, but um the way that the building lays out the door works much better in the front corner. Okay, then we will uh Well, Jacob, do you have did you do topo? Do you have elevations that you could put on the parking lot?

Certainly can. So we can kind of see how it's graded and how it's draining. Yeah, we can do that.

I can't tell from this. Is topo required for a site plan? Um so at least some some elevations. We we shot spot elevations. The problem was there was so much proposed stuff around the building, it kind of muddied up the design quite a bit, so we never put them on. But I do have them and I kind of have some sort of spot elevation, especially around the handicap area that

Yeah, it' be nice to see the finished floor elevation. um kind of some spot elevations for key things, walkway, parking, [cough and clears throat] and we we have enough distance to get two cars in and out of the driveway or some dimensions in that would be helpful. Okay. [clears throat] I know we're adding a little bit more to the next revision. Is that a problem? No.

Okay. All right. Then we will schedule you for a public hearing January 15th at 7 p.m. And then after that, you'll be the first one on the agenda. We thank you for that. Okay. Are we all set? Any further questions for uh Randy? Not at this time. Okay. Any legal questions? None whatsoever. Okay, then. Uh I guess we're all set. Thank you.

Okay. Once again, merry Christmas and a happy holidays to you. Okay, that concludes our agenda and uh we can now move on to new new business. Believe we got one uh application here. This is a waiver of subdivision for Karen uh DJ someone near representing them or that's me. Oh, surprise.

Jeez. Okay. Just had to flip the board around. All right. What do we got going here?

All right. Um so the application is for parent waiver subdivision and the intent is to create a 3.68 acre lot from an existing 9.668 acre lot. The due jacks are trying to sell their home which would be the 6 acre remaining with the barn. Um they having some trouble with sale as uh certain people don't want property. I don't know how that's working out. Um, but they they think if they split it up, they could lower the price a little bit and maybe get a uh an offer quicker. Uh, they plan on retaining the vacant lot, the 3.68 acre lot in case they ever want to come back to the area and have a home. Uh, they they've since moved to the other side of town, uh, downsizing their house. So, we're seeking the waiver subdivision to create the lot. They will retain the vacant lot and the existing lot and house and barn will be sold. Now, this was part of a subdivision.

Yes. How long ago? Um, in the December meeting of 2018, my predecessor had a three lot subdivision just to the south here. Um, so we were right at the seven-year mark. Um, that's noted in the application. Okay. Um, those those lots are no longer owned by the DJs. They've all been sold off. Okay. All right. So, it's been seven years since that subdivision was approved.

Yep. It was December um I actually have a copy of it right here. It's December 6th of 2018 was when it was approved. Uh it was reported at the county clerk the first week in January of 2019. So, in by by January 15th, we would be past even seven years of the recording date. How convenient. Oh yeah. I have a [laughter] I have a quick question. Uh the new proposed lot, the 368 acres has a shed on it. Did that shed have to be removed if there wasn't uh

right. So what the board has done in the past in these situations is the issue is having an accessory structure and a lot without a primary structure is you provide a period of time for a primary structure to be constructed or then to remove the accessory structure. Okay. So the a condition of approval correct the applicant should be aware that potentially that shed would have to be removed. I don't know whether it's just a it's a it's a roll off, you know, roll off sheds. So, it actually could be moved probably. It could be.

All right. Any other further questions uh for the applicant or Jacob, I should say. Okay. Okay. Then we can put you on our agenda formally for our next meeting if you'd like. That would be great. Thank you.

Okay. You're going to be uh with a bunch of people here. You're on our agenda for the uh 15th. Thank you very much. Merry Christmas. Yep. Merry Christmas. Take care. Thanks. Is there any other new business, Wendy? No. No business.

Okay. Is there any old business? [clears throat]

Okay, I want to just u mention a couple things. Um, [cough and clears throat] we were having some discussion in the building department about the posting of agendas. And uh sometimes the building department gets up against the wall a little bit as far as uh uh people coming in and wanting to be on the agenda, you know, and there's telephone calls made and so forth and so on like two days before we have our meeting. uh it was tossed around and we're trying to still look into it that the agenda be posted by the building department uh that we would get together and uh and then in so doing would hopefully have it uh posted in a more timely manner for the public to uh you know determine whether they want to come to a meeting or not. Uh there has been some comments in the past about the agenda being posted the day of the meeting and uh uh who was going to be on it and who was not going to be on it and so forth and so on. So if we can expedite that process, get the agenda set uh for five days before or whatever the Monday before the meeting. uh that would be uh much more efficient and it would also give the building department a timeline that that okay we've set the the the agenda. Somebody calls and said I want to be on it. No, you can't be on it. You you're [clears throat] going to be at our schedule for our next meeting. So, uh, it'll it'll spo, you know, smooth out

the process a little bit and I think the the public would benefit from it also. So, we're going to be looking into that. Uh, the only other thing I have is uh this is Andy's last meeting, I guess. Uh, thank you for your service. You're quite welcome. As I said last meeting, it's been an honor. Yeah, it has. And uh I know I personally have uh benefited a lot from you being on our uh as our attorney and uh you've helped me along quite a bit. I'm sure Chris will fill those shoes fine. But uh thank you very much. You're quite welcome. Thank you.

And hope everybody doesn't know him now. Uh Chris is going to taking Andy's spot and uh we welcome you aboard I guess officially

at our next meeting. [laughter] Okay. Um that's all I have. I just wanted I think on behalf of the you know the board and everything I want to wish everybody a happy holiday. This is our last meeting for the year. Uh and uh once again, we are not going to have a meeting on the first Thursday because it's New Year's Day and we are not going to schedule a a second meeting for the month of January. We're going to only have the one uh on the 15th. So, uh nobody has anything else. I will entertain a motion to adjurnn. I'll make a motion. Do I have a second? Second.

All those in favor? Any opposed? Thank you very much. And to the audience, have a merry Christmas and a happy holiday. No. One. One. Taco. Hey. Hey.