Historical & Landmarks Commission - Regular Meeting

It is 6PM on the dot, 04/03/2025. I will now call the historical and landmarks commission meeting to order. First, item is roll call. Vice sheriff Argy Smith.

Here.

Thank you. Commissioner Romano? Here. Thank you. Commissioner Celso? Here. Commissioner Kirby? Here. Commissioner Stocks?

Here.

And I'm chair Long. We did receive, communication from commissioner NCRT earlier today that she won't be able to make the meeting. Do I have a motion to excuse commissioner NCRT? Thank you. Motion stops. Do I have a second? I second the motion. Thank you. Second. Those who are in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Abstain? Thank you. She is excused.

Next item we have on the agenda is continuances and exceptions. This part of the meeting allows for applicants, members of the public, or other interested parties to request an item to be continue without hearing or withdrawn or taken out of order. Are there any requests applicants, public, or commission for continuance or exception for any of the items on tonight's agenda?

Not the staff is aware of.

Thank you. Okay. And since we have less than a full commission present, the Historical Landmark Commission has seven members. Whenever a full commission's not present, the applicants have an option to continue their item to another meeting. If there's no objection, we'll continue. I mean, we'll proceed. Cool. So the next item we have on the agenda is our consent calendar. The procedure for a consent calendar is as follows. Consent calendar items may be enacted, approved, or adopted by one motion unless requested to be removed by anyone for discussion or explanation.

If any members of Historical Landmarks Commission staff, the applicant, or a member of the public wishes to comment on a consent calendar item or would like the item to be heard on our regular agenda, make this request now. The items listed on the consent calendar with associated file numbers constitute public hearing items. And the items we have tonight on the consent calendar are the meeting minutes for 10/03/2024 and also the meeting minutes for 03/06/2025. Are there any, do I have a motion to approve the consent calendar items, or does anybody wanna pull anything for discussion? Okay.

You would abstain for commission okay. Vice chair of Ari Smith will abstain from the 10/03/2024 minutes.

Is abstain March 6 minutes.

And commissioner Stocks would abstain from the March. And okay. Do I have a motion for the the balance of the the consent calendar items?

I move to approve the remainder of the consent items.

Thank you. We have motion. Do I have a second?

There's an issue with the meeting minutes from October 2024. There's just a minor correction.

Can you please state the correction?

Yeah. So on page two under consent calendar, it says commissioner Stocks voted chair Vargas Smith for chair. That's not actually accurate. Commissioner Stocks voted for chair Lung to be chair. I believe he so wait a minute. Voted. Yeah. I believe I I think those that should be nominated, not voted. Yeah. I believe he nominated chair Vargas Smith for vice chair at the same time that he was nominating chair Lung for chair.

So, yeah, it says that commissioner Stocks voted chair Vargas Smith for chair. Actually, he nominated I think that's supposed to read that he nominated chair Vargas Smith for vice chair. And it also says chair Vargas Smith voted commissioner Salsa for chair, but he declined. I believe that's also supposed to be worded nominated. And I don't know if it's reflected anywhere that commissioner Stocks nominated commissioner Lung for chair.

What page is this on?

It's page two on the consent calendar under item one or historical and landmarks commission meeting minutes.

Yeah. What page is the minutes?

Twenty twenty four. That's page two.

I think our packet numbers are different.

Okay. I see. Well, I'll have to verify and listen to it, but I can edit it before it goes to council for approval.

Okay. Thank you.

The updates. Is this are those changes okay for the motion maker?

I'm in with the changes recommended.

Thank you. Do I have a second?

I second the motion.

Thank you. Those are in favor, say aye with the abstentions noted. Aye.

Aye.

Thank you. Those who are opposed, abstentions are noted previously. Thank you. So next item, have public presentation. Are there any members of public that would like to briefly address the commission on any items that are not agendized tonight?

Sorry. This is this is the part where if there's a item that's not agenda tonight and you would like to address the commission, we have a this is for the public, for anybody online, for the commission itself. We can briefly discuss, but we cannot take a take an action on any of the items that are discussed in this portion. None. We will move on.

Regular public hearing. We have three items tonight, so let's start with item two, twenty five three nine seven, the public hearing for the continued item for recommendation on architectural review for a demolition of existing single family residence and construction of a 2,274 square foot four bedroom, three and a half bath, two story residence with attached to a car garage located at 520 Homar Street within 200 feet of historic properties. And I'll turn this over to Steph.

Alright. Thank you, chair, and good evening, commission. Let me just give me one second to pull this up. Okay. Steve Flea, project planning for this item number two at 520 Gilmore Street.

This is a continue item from last month, HLC meeting on March 6. It's continued to this date specific to allow time for the applicant to work with a neighbor at 530 Hillmore Street and in on increasing the 2nd Floor front setback so it better aligns with the other Tudor homes. The original request here, just a reminder, that is an architectural review for to demo the existing single family home and construct a 2,259 square feet. It's in red. I'm gonna you're gonna see a lot of reds marked for all the changes to this recent metal.

It's reduced about from two two thousand two hundred and seventy two before. The square foot still remain as a four bedroom and three and a half bathroom, two story residence with an attached two car garage. And refresher again, this the property at 520 is highlighted here. It's adjacent to four HRI properties to the South, 530, 540, 550, and 560. This site plan and project details here highlights some of the changes.

The the last time they came here was has the project has a five foot fun setback for their second story. Now they increased that by two feet and three inches, making it seven feet and three inches setback. It meets the second story side setback of 10 feet on both sides on the 2nd Floor, and the lot coverage is the same. 1st Floor doesn't change, and garage square footage doesn't change. So it's still 39.7 lot coverage.

It's under the 40% maximum for single family. The 1st Floor remains the same. 2nd Floor reduced down to 1,015 square foot, and then that changes the 2nd Floor to 1st Floor ratio from 64 to 63. Here's the floor plan, 1st and second. Again, only to change here is the 2nd Floor, reducing that.

The bedroom is reduced, and the 2nd Floor is pushed back towards the rear. On the elevations, this zoomed in to just the front elevation On your right sorry. Left is the previous, and then the on the right is what's new. It's very subtle difference. When you set the 2nd Floor back, you you notice on the right side that the front porch is now a little bit lower than the main or the 1st Floor roof.

That is because the 2nd Floor is pushed back, so the roof line would continue up to the 2nd Floor. That's probably one noticeable difference there. Neighborhood and design compatibility, most of them are the same. Just again, the 2nd Floor ratio is now 63% instead of 64, where 66 is what's the guy design guidelines call for. And the applicant increased the second story front yard front setbacks beyond the five feet to reduce the second story mass from this review as requested by HLC.

Public comment. We so the applicant did reveal this plan and the change with the neighbor at 530 Hillmore, and the the applicant can share more about that. But 5 the neighbor responded and sent in an email with some of these key highlights on their concerns. They still have concerns on the height and the scale of this as it affects the harmony of Gilmore Streets. The second story, Fun Step Back, is still not aligned with their house and other Tudor house on that street.

And the lot coverage was oversize for this lot, which is not is still meeting the 40% allowed by single family residential zoning district. The demolitions of a smaller structure to construct a larger one. The existing structure is a smaller 900 something square foot. It's one story to build this two story house. And then the other concern is preserving the size, scale, and setbacks of Hilmar Street.

And then con consistency with setback roofline and proportions on Hilmar Streets, they wish to maintain a consistency with the existing condition. And they believe that there's a strain on traffic flow and parking availability with this two car and a larger home that there will be more traffic flow and parking demand. Historical evaluation is this size. You've seen before. We we also provided the DPR in the previous staff report.

With that, staff recommendation is is to that the the historical landmark commissions find that the proposed project located at 520 Hillmore Street will not destroy or have a significant adverse effect on this integrity of the HRI listed properties within 200 feet at 530 Through 560 Hillmore Street, that the construction is compatible with the surrounding neighborhood, and recommend approval of the architectural review at the development review hearing. That concludes staff presentation. The applicant is here and also has a presentations to share. I can answer any questions.

Alright. Presentation. Are there any immediate questions for staff before we move on to the presentation by the applicant?

Yeah. Two questions for staff. The plans that we have in PDF, they would not be edited before they go for planning. So the roof, the siding, the windows, everything we see there is the plans that will go

to planning. Is that accurate?

So there is because of the quick turnaround from the last meeting, the this is what I wanna disclose is the elevations that you see let me go back to it. Here, as I mentioned from the last meeting, that this doesn't reflect their Mediterranean or Spanish style. There's a rendering that they'll provide. It will be designed with, like, for example, the arch here for the entrance, the arch window, and the arch garage is reflected in the rendering. So your decisions today, you know, in this focusing on the scale or design, we will make sure that that elevation these elevations will reflect that at the DRH.

Right now, this is squared out as you can see, and the applicant has the elevations to share later.

I'd like to skip my second question.

Also, is are the permission is before Kitsu also vote on this even though the public hearing was closed? The thepubliccom the commissioners who were not present at the previous meeting. We have some absence last time.

Yeah. Wait. What are we

what's wrong? Do they do the commissioners are the commissioners who were not here before gets to vote on this since public hearing was closed?

I mean, we're

I think, technically, they should have reviewed the video from the last meeting, but, I mean, reviewing the packet is probably sufficient in this case, especially given the scale of the changes that were made.

Yeah. I think we're okay.

So I'm I'm just logistics. So No.

I get yeah. No. I get I get what you mean. Fair point. But I think we're okay. Reviewing the packet is good. Yep. I did have one question about the post meeting material that came through.

Yeah.

Was that email sent before or after the last meeting? Because it was a little bit confusing.

Email was sent after, and it was following after the revisions shared with you with the neighbor.

Oh, it's after the revision has already been sent over to the neighbor, and they're they came back with the

With that

letter? Extra comments, and that's what that was.

Correct.

Okay. Got it. Thank you. Any other questions for staff before I invite the applicant up for their presentation?

Yep. One quick question. I don't see it in the packet, but maybe you have it. Do you have an elevation or from, like, this I know, like, this is straight on

Mhmm.

Right, of what it looks like from a passerby with the two feet farther back see how that

impacts the Like, the three d rendering?

Yeah. Like a rendering of that. No?

Yeah. The applicant was not able to prepare the rendering for the updated revisions, but they have the rendering from the free previous one that we can share if you wanna look at the more the style.

Yeah. Yeah.

I'm not worried about

the style. I remember the Spanish style from last time. Just thinking sometimes when the renderings from straight on, it's hard to tell It is. When you're walking by what that setback really looks like. Okay. Alright. Thank you.

Good. Okay. I'd like to, invite the applicant up for a presentation.

Welcome back. Can you turn the mic?

There you go. Sorry. Not used to with this stuff. Okay. So, again, thank you for the opportunity to be here again to present to you.

Since we last met, we have worked with the our architect to make sure that we do whatever we can to meet the historical guideline. To meet I gave the architecture, the the feedback from the neighbors, and see what we can do without design. And so after we look at everything, he will share with them, he come back, but we can do two feet and three inches for the back. So that the best we can do, we look at the thing we share with the neighbors that that that we tried to move two, well, two fifty two inches back to and set away from the street. But I apparently, it's not what they were looking for.

So I'm today, I'm asking for a committee to approve my project based on that we're trying to meet all the historical within the guideline. We think that by having this new house look we will help to make the neighborhood look better. It protect the neighborhood from the commercial. And we also have like, we will worry about parking on the street. This how we'll have a two car garage in the driveway, which is allow the car to park inside the garage, which is reduced car on the street.

Last but not least, you know, we in order to have the family for a family of four or five people, and now that people tend to work from home too. So we think that we need to have a two story home with, you know, four bedroom and three and a half bath. So based on that, we will commit to this Spanish style, and you can see there, we ask for your approval, and I can answer any other question that you might have.

Thank you for that. Any questions for the applicant at the moment?

I have a question. Just to be clear, this is to show the styling of the Spanish but doesn't show the new setback, does it? Is that rough?

Yeah. You can. Because it's a front view, you don't see the the setback that much. And I think when they do the rendering, they make a mistake on the the the outside. It's a little bit too high. But reality, it's not gonna be that high. It could be exactly the size of what the in the elevations is on the drawing Okay. On the architecture of a digital rendering, and I think they make a mistake of making the the outside look so high.

Yeah. Okay.

So this style on the other rendering of the height and the pushback. Got it.

Maybe see if we can solve that the side of the rendering before that they can see the other side, like like like, the three d from the angle that they can see the that's, yeah, some of the setback there you see.

This is the side that faces the neighbor. Mhmm.

Yes.

How far is that from the lot line?

Like, the

1st Floor or 2nd Floor?

1st Floor.

1st Floor is set back at five feet. Five and a five on another additional five, so 10.

Any more questions for applicant on the updated design?

I read the letter of your neighbor

next door, and it seems like they're

not quite satisfied with the

change. Right.

Do you think there's any more wiggle room on your part?

No. We haven't sitting down. We're trying to work very hard, and I don't think we have any more wiggle room, ma'am. So that's where we are at.

I have a question. So the, you know, collaborating with the neighbors and all, was the, you know, only time that you really had an opportunity to talk with the neighbors was after last night's meeting, you know, the brief conversation that you had had with them? And did they offer any concrete suggestions as far as ways that your design would, you know, satisfy what they were looking for in terms of, you know, home design that would fit well with the neighborhood?

Yeah. The only thing we heard from them over here during the meeting is when Yang met met with them, they they they want a setback to to make sure we fit with the neighborhood. But if we do that or a setback like that, then the house will be very small. We have small lot. That's why we try to make sure that whatever we desire, we meet within the city guideline and also try to consider. That's why we, originally, we have different kinds of style of the house, but to fit in the neighborhood, we moved to the Spanish style to to accommodate. We I understand that I cannot accommodate a 100%, but I try to accommodate in in many area I can.

Mhmm. And did you get any feedback from any of the other neighbors besides, you know, the next door neighbor?

Only the five thirty. We don't have any other feedback from my neighbor. In fact Yeah. One of the neighbor, they across directly across from what they seem to be very happy to see the new development going there because it's, you know, the the current condition of the house is not very good, and it doesn't look make it look good for the neighborhood.

Yeah. Okay. Oh, was that the person that was here last week?

This

one. Was that with the same property? Remember there was a person here that was

No. They they were

the next door neighbors.

Oh, that was a different property. Remember it was a woman, and she lived in the neighborhood. Oh, that was the other property.

So the that's the other property.

Oh, The other part of town.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Alright. Thank you. So it sounds like what the neighbors really wanted was just a reduction in the overall mass of the house.

So when I was talk with them, we are showing them the new design and how much is different from the first one than at the first meeting. They seem agree with us. They also walk us to the next neighbor, the the two neigh two next neighbor and show how we set back. And we explained to them, this is the, you know, the the best that we can do. We walk with walk with our architect.

This is the best that we can do. And to be online with the other house is too much too much. It's we don't have any room left on the on the 2nd Floor. And and we tell them that about, you know, how the position of our house on the at the corner, right, at the end at the end is is maybe not a big problem if it's in the middle of two houses. Right?

And, also, next to us is a commercial. It's maybe block the view or block the side of the commercial to have a very private residential street. Right? So that's we we talk about that also. The only, actually, you're asking about the other neighbors.

No. I have not, seen them. I did not seen them, last meeting, but I before the last meeting, I went out around the neighbor, let them know that we have a meet last meeting, and asked them how their feedback and everything. Most of them are very happy to see some change, especially the two neighbor across our house. They seem very happy.

They seem that they been seeing you know, uncomfortable seeing that's how being there, like, that condition. Yeah. And our next neighbors, five thirty, is the only one neighbor that we sharing more in detail. That's that's my observation from the neighbors.

May I ask one follow-up question? When you spoke with the architect, how long did they estimate it would take to redo the drawings and complete the plans?

Anton, can can I

When we talk him, it took him about two weeks. Yes. Because it's our design before, so it doesn't pick it must add the first time. Right? So

Clear. And then if he wanted to finish them to include the the render we just saw into the plans and complete that, did he give you an estimate of how long that would take?

That would take another few weeks. Few weeks. Okay. Thank you.

Okay. I know you've been speaking to your next door neighbor, but were you able to speak to the other historic homes that are adjacent to your neighbor? It'd be interesting to see what all the historic homes are thinking. Right?

I

so the next next one the next two, 05:30 is 05:40

and 05:50. Right? Yeah.

I did visited them before our last meeting. Let them know that we have a meeting last last month, and and they told us, you know, that they they heard about that. They they know that what we are doing, but they have no comment.

And the other two? I think there's four. Two of them.

Oh, you spoke to two? Two. Yeah. 5530. Of course, we we we talk a lot, and we share lots of information with them.

540 and 550.

As well. Just. Thank you. Just just another clarifying question. So this is gonna be a rental. Is that correct?

No. Oh. Oh,

okay. Alright.

You're for a family.

Oh, so it's gonna be sold? Okay.

The use is not in our purview. What? The use of the property is not in our purview.

Oh, no. Yeah. I was just curious.

Thank you. Are you opening up to public?

So I'm gonna

Do the motion?

No. We're gonna do public, and

then we can motion to close it.

And then well, we're gonna do public, and

then the applicant can do rebuttal. And then we can close public comments, and then we'll go into discussion. Cool. So I would like to invite the public if you have any comments on this particular project. If you're in chamber, please come up. I do see one hand online. Are there anyone here? Cool. So there's nobody in chamber that would like to comment. I do see one online. Let's bring them up.

Hi. Mark Kelsey.

Hi, Mark. I can hear you.

Okay. Great. Thank you. I I know that the the neighbors at 530 Hilmar are not able to attend tonight, and I believe they sent written comments to the commission, which I presume all the commissioners have copies of. I I would just summarize that I and I should say I live on Hilmar Street about a block away from this property, and I'm very familiar with this block of Hilmar as I previously lived in this block of Hilmar with my family.

I know that the concern of the neighbors is that, yes, this current property has become dilapidated and needs to be renovated, but that we had a lot of hope that whoever would, purchase this property and develop it would develop it within the character of the neighborhood. And I recognize that that puts limits on the size of the property and the the particularly the size of the second story as the historic properties in on this street have second stories or taller, multi story, if you will, sections that are significantly set back from the street. And so it's it is I think it's very clear from the renderings and drawings that the mass of this property is inconsistent with the neighborhood. And I think that's the disappointment of, I know, the neighbors at 530, Hilmar Street, and and other neighbors on the on the street. The houses directly across the street are not at all historically significant, and for better or worse, are likely to be renovated over the next few years.

And we are distressed that a precedent is set for, such a massive project on a very small lot that that will encourage the development of other properties immediately across the street to do the same. So I guess my summary, my comments are that it's not I I don't believe it's consistent with the architecture of the neighborhood. The second story needs to be significantly set back, probably reduced in probably half in size to match the architecture of the neighborhood. And although I know that use is not, in the purview of the committee, The the neighbors obviously have a lot of concerns about use, parking, traffic

Airbnb.

Airbnbs, multitenant rentals, and so massive projects seem to invite all of those uses that are detrimental to a historical neighborhood. So I I would join my my neighbors at 530 Hilmar Street in asking that the commission, not approve this project as consistent with the neighborhood. Thank you.

Thank you for your comments. Are there any I don't actually, I don't see anyone else, like, with their hands raised. So I'm gonna give the time back to the applicant to for rebuttal for the the comments if you like.

Keep forgetting. I I understand the last neighbor you mentioned about the size of the house. However, there are other house around it. I had two story too, and I think one of them doesn't even have suspect at the second story on the garage. So and I do believe that by having this new house here, it make the neighborhood look better.

Yes. It might it might not be like a five thirty to five sixty, but on the other side, it will have, you know, brand new Spanish style, make that corner place look much nicer than what it is today. And we like I said, it's gonna be a family living there, and we'd have a two car garage, so there is no parking on the street that affect. That one of the concern of the neighbor is too many car on the street. And last but not least is to block the view of the commercial area.

So I think that's a big plus. Yes. Always, I don't think we commit on a 100%. There's some negative apply the neighbor you have mentioned about the side, but I think that we have many plus side for this development. That's why I I would like to say I I'm asking for your understanding and your approval.

Thank you for that. Do we have motion to close public comments?

I move to close public comments.

Do I have a second?

I second.

Thank you. Those who are in favor, aye. Aye.

Aye. Those

opposed? Abstain? Yeah. I missed, so we're closed. Discussion. So on the on the item. Anyone who wants to start?

I mean,

we've had plans come in front of us before that we've had plans come in front of us before that are we put changes on those designs, and we put those in the minutes, and and they don't make it through into the plans, and they don't make it through into the permits. And this is a very thin set of PDFs here. I mean, we don't have anything about siding. We have some renders from a previous version. If you gave that PDF to to a contractor, you would not get what we showed in the in the render.

And so I think that it's difficult for me to say that I know what I'm gonna get if if I allow this project to go past tonight. I did miss a lot of the conversations before and and but I I I can only talk about the packet and the PDF and the the the plans that are gonna get stamped, and and they're just, in my opinion, wholly incongruent within the houses beside it.

Yeah.

Once again, next.

I have a couple thoughts. First, thank you applicants for the Spanish style. I think it is reminiscent of what was there before, so I like that thought. And I appreciate you going back and trying to push back the second story massing. When I'm looking at the other homes, so I'm still a little concerned because it's, 200 feet larger and an extra bedroom bigger than the largest houses on the street.

So it's still going to be out of scale from the other homes. And looking at the lot size, even the big houses that run next to you, the historical homes, your lot size is the same size, but you've got all the massing up front. So if there was a way that you could mimic or do a similar way of the massing as the other large homes and be about the same size. I think it would be more compatible with the neighborhood because the massing's still pretty far up front. I don't know because we don't have it in the plans what that rendering, what that looks like from the street.

We've seen before people add on massing to even a historical home itself, but they set it far enough back that when you walk by, you don't even notice it. It's hard to tell from just the two feet going back if that makes a big enough change visually even if the house is bigger than all the others. So I'm having a hard time envisioning if it's the two feet is significant enough.

Thank you. Other comments?

I think that our concern previously was that this is potentially it is a historical neighborhood. You are planning on selling this home to a family. So you have an opportunity to set a precedent where you're contributing to the history of the neighborhood by modifying the design and the setback a little bit more so that it's a legacy item that you give back to the neighborhood over and over. Yes, I agree. I think it looks much better to have the dilapidated house removed and something else put there.

So it is a great opportunity to improve the neighborhood. It also is a good opportunity to leave a legacy property, something that gets with what's there. So just wanted to throw that out there one more time. If there is any opportunity on your

end, a wiggle room to make the neighbors happy and

really contribute to what that neighborhood's gonna become later on. We have plans

to make that the jewel that fits in

with breast. Just a thought.

I just have a question. So 520 Hilmar and the four adjacent properties, do they all currently have the same setback?

No. They do not. Just a part of 530 front, and the rest of the $5.40, five fifty, 560, they're set slightly further back. Okay. This one, 520 will have the 20 fee setback re required by zoning standards. I don't think they have that now, but I I can double check. Yeah.

So currently, the house that's there now, is the setback the same as the neighbors at 530?

While I pull this up, Tanya, you wanna answer the setback?

The current house at 520 doesn't have a same suspect as the 530 house setback. I think the current 520 house is much closer to the street.

And do do you know what the setback is at the 530 house?

How deep? We don't know, but it's it's it's deeper. I think it's more than 20 feet, I believe.

And then the the proposed front setback for your development?

It's 20 feet.

20 feet?

Yeah. For the 1st Floor. And, hopefully, the 2nd Floor will be, like, twenty seven and three inches.

Okay. And then so 05:30 right now, they are closer than 20 feet to the sidewalk, or they have a greater than 20 feet setback? I'm just trying to envision, like, where the house is gonna start in relation or where it would start?

I mean, it it's hard to see from the street view, but probably two feet difference. Yeah. To say it's $12.10 on a building permit for the 05:30, so pretty close.

12 feet, 10 inches?

Yeah. Okay.

From the property line.

And then the proposed setback for your development is 20 feet? Right. So that'll be eight feet behind or further from the sidewalk than the neighbor 530. Right?

Actually, the relevant question is what's the setback for 05:40? Do you do you have the setback for 05:40? Yeah. Yeah. I know. We're loving this at you. I gotcha.

Thank you.

Could I ask a follow on question for commissioner Celso to staff? The letter that we got post agenda from I believe this is from the residence at 530, which is next door. Is there did was it verified what they said? They said in the letter, the the second story is positioned 27 feet from the sidewalk rather than the 48 feet like the other neighboring historic homes.

Was an unverified for the 48.

So Okay. Yeah.

Daniel pulled that up, again, 05:40 to 05:60, the three houses after 05:30, they're set further back consistently. So we'll find out one, and then they'll probably apply to the other three.

While staff is looking that up, may I ask a question of Rebecca for as far as what we can do? Back to commissioner Stock's comments that the packet isn't updated with the changes and that the only changes were shown in the presentation. When we make a decision, can we, what's the word, require that the updated imaging from the presentation be fully planned out, and then that's what's submitted? How does that work?

Well, we would be doing that either way. But if you wanna include it as part of your motion so it's in the minutes, that's fine as well.

Okay. And we we have your answer. The other three houses are set 20 feet back.

So the difference, though, with the other large houses is that they have a smaller section up front, and then the bulk of the massing, including the second story, is set further back. Right?

I can show you on Google area. This is above town. One second.

Okay. Thank you.

Okay. So the five thirty right here next to the five twenty starts similar setback as the front here, and then they have a really long way into the bulk of the mass on this. It's not second story, but it has a height of a second story here. These are the second two story home, and they're aligned, but there's their front is set much further back here, somewhere here behind the trees, and then these two behind the trees. You can see where it starts.

They're slightly different, but they're l shaped. These hallway or part is the is shorter than the 530, which is longer here. That's probably the difference.

Oh. And

530 is a single story home. Right?

It's a single story home, but really tall ceilings. I don't know what's the inside, whether it has a mezzanine loft, or it's just a two story volume.

Okay. Thank you.

A follow-up question on the

the lot size between all those properties is pretty similar. Right?

Similar, but it might be larger. So let me we can get that.

And this is, like, a smaller lot compared to the others.

They're about the same, 4,500

square feet.

And is that the same width specifically?

Some of them are 47.5. Others, 50.

K. We

bring back the Google map from the sky again.

That was pretty useful.

I know noticing here at least the four houses on on screen run from left to right. The mass the majority of the home runs left to right, and then they have a an l that that comes out to the street sometimes at a lower level. And plan that we're looking at seems to be oriented 90 degrees away from that.

I think that's maybe one of

the reasons why to the eye, it doesn't sit well to the homes at at five thirty, five forty, five fifty. Maybe that's something the commissioners also imagine might be what makes it not quite

match. And if the homeowner was willing

to consider a rotation of the roof to match five thirty and five forty,

that it might sit better in the eye of

the immediate neighbors.

Steve, from the side, you said it was five foot from the property line. Is that pretty consistent with each of these houses?

I did not check the other houses, but five foot is was the standard. So Mhmm. They provided that. Yeah.

I was just trying

to understand why the neighbor felt

Perhaps it

was too close to their end.

I can't tell you. It's in the letter. Mainly, it's, you know, it's larger than the demoing the smaller lot I mean, the smaller house to build a larger than what's existing. I think that's the concern. You know, not consistent with patterns, existing conditions of the of the neighborhood. A lot of one story around here. Someone I mean, on the backside here, the other street. But there are two stories on the street, just maybe on towards the other end away from the commercial.

It looked like on the Google Maps that there was a really big house on the corner.

Sorry. It

looked like on the Google Maps that there was a really big house on the corner. So directly across the street and then to the left on that corner, it looks like there's a really large property there.

And your concern or question?

Yeah. I'm just wondering in terms of the massing, you know, because, generally, you know, the pattern, I suppose, is not to have such large homes. But Which one? The home on the corner.

So This is where the commercial starts. Which corner? Right behind 2. Commercial?

If you're looking at it to the to the right.

To the right of what?

Towards 53545535455560.

And then

on the other side of the street, on that that corner This one? Yeah.

Okay. This is that two story here, and there's a couple two stories along this side.

And those are single single family homes?

They're single family homes. Yeah.

And are they about 2,600 square feet or something like that?

No. We would have to look that up, but yeah, we'll we'll look that up. It's looks larger lot, probably at least 2,000 square feet.

Yeah. Okay.

There's definitely a pattern, you know, in those four homes right next to five twenty. There is some variability, you know, in the architecture of other homes that are on that block.

I think

I say that, like, you know, even with the revision, I really appreciate you doing Spanish style because it's reminiscent of, like, what's we have right now. So I would like to have that continued as a as a design choice. That would be great. The massing is still a issue. That's what we're thinking.

The way the orientation is one thing because it's it's kinda inconsistent. But, like, at the same time, we wanna be careful that we're not recreating history on, like, trying to match style. But, like, there there is definitely a pattern on, like, the way the homes are masked, like, within that block. It will be it will stick out like a sore thumb as it is right now. The other thing about, like, what commissioner Stock said about, like, the rendering, like, not being fully flushed, one of the things that we're missing is also with the update, how is that going to compare to the neighbors right now?

I think we saw a rendering of that last month of, like, you know, how how it matches, like, between the two, but we're not seeing that today. So that's a little bit tough for us to say, like, having that two feet difference of, like, the setback going back, is that going to help with decreasing the massing, like, as compared to the the neighbors? So we're we're having a very difficult time moving this item forward. This is what I'm sensing from the from the commission. Like, I I I don't know if there's any more remediation that you're willing to to do, like, on on this particular proposal to, like, continue to reduce massing or even, like, kind of shifting the the design more towards the back, which is more consistent with the other homes, like, on the

same block that are the ones that we're concerned with.

I've walked by it, like, in the last two days, and I've been looking at

the lot. It is very narrow. With that size of

a house, it's going to be very overwhelming even at 20 feet. So those are those are some of the thoughts that I'm having right now. Just wanna share.

And I would agree with Cherilyn. It's going up and down the street looking at Google and the sizing. It's it'll be 200 square feet larger than any other house on the street. And it's massing even if you could get the 200 on that small lot in there, it's still all too far forward. It just doesn't feel congruent and comparable to the rest of the neighborhood.

And I am also concerned about setting the precedent that is, that we will see those larger homes start trying to fill in on those smaller lots. So if there was a way that you could bring it down so it's similar in size, doesn't have to look the same. But if it could be, fit the neighborhood in the size of the homes, that would be great. I'm not seeing anything over there's only one house listed as a four bedroom, and it's only 1,800 square feet. It's tiny.

The other ones that are listed, just 200 square feet under you are three bedrooms, two baths. So you're building a much larger home in a neighborhood that traditionally has very small lots and smaller homes. So if there's any way that you could back off and go down to a three bedroom, two bath, and be able to push that second story a little farther back. I think it would fit the ebb and flow of the neighborhood and how the houses are. That's my thought.

Any thoughts?

Steve, there's a house in this picture that you sent us right across the street. It's Spanish, and it's it's bulky. And it's right across from the commercial. I'm not seeing exactly what the other houses across from them look like,

but I'm wondering if they're that same large looking house that could inspire this kind of

Is it on the same street here on Hilmore? Yes. Oh, that's that's not a that's not a house. That's part of the commercial. Yeah. It just designed in that Spanish style way. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a restaurant and a bar on the 2nd Floor.

Yep. There

is some Mediterranean down on the Hilmar Street, also a two story. It was pointed out last time. I can I can show you? Would you like to see that?

This one.

See.

Oh, I see. It's following the same kind of style where what's closest to the street is only one story, and then this two story massing is much farther back.

It's a nail shape for the 2nd Floor, but some of the mass is also in the front on the 2nd Floor.

I see. Yeah.

I'm not sure, Kirby. I saw you on mute earlier.

I was just gonna comment that I do like the Spanish design the same that you did, but I do feel it does stand out in the block.

And then I was gonna back up what what commissioner Romano said, like, the about kinda comparative numbers because, like, we're we weren't giving numbers, like, last time around, but, like, looking at the other properties on the on the same block in the area, they they are the massing for, like, the same lot size area. It's it's much smaller than than what is being proposed today, and those are good guidelines to do something like that's in in, like, a more palatable massing for this particular home,

I believe,

to to have those other comparisons.

Just one comment on that. You know, the beauty of this neighborhood drives up the home values, and the 32 may not be as valuable, you know, where I live. But in this neighborhood, a 32 can be more valuable. It's a historic neighborhood. It's lovely. It's walkable. You've got a lot around there. I I check the numbers out and see if that works for you guys.

Chair.

Our role is to advise for the next body to consider our position on, like, if we believe they should approve or deny the project. What we're trying to do is give guidance to give something that we feel should be.

So if we

can still go forward, like, next body can can choose to disregard our comments, that's a that's a choice for them.

In the event that we'd be able to give those comments, because I think each commissioner had interesting different comments, could we summarize those so that they could go into the documentation?

No. The action minutes is a little bit tough to put that in there other than putting that in the motion specifically, which is why we have to give, like, really, really concise motions.

So Steve will be writing a report for DRH, so he'll summarize this conversation. But if there are specific points you wanna make sure he outlines in the DRH report, you can

certainly add that to the motion. Yeah. I think we're in a couple of different paths here. Like, I I think, you know, we're I get the feeling that the commission is thinking about if we are going to conclude this item tonight, it would be a proposal to deny. And then the the other half would be, do we want the applicant is amenable to try to do a redesign again and come back. Right? Is that what we're thinking? I do wanna post this to the applicant. Like, which path would you like us to go?

Your your mic, can you turn it on?

So

yeah. So at this point in time, from what I gathered, I feel that there is a no to this project. I feel that if if you do that, then just grant me a request deny and give me a clear so I can understand a clear what direction you guys want so I can work with the next design review hearing so I can work with with them. So we want we just want to have your decision today so we can work on it next step. So because it's had been almost a year already for us. So I appreciate your input.

Thank you. Thank you. Input. Okay. So I don't have a motion, but it sounds like we we do want a very detailed capture of the discussion that we have and the comments that we wanna make. So why don't we enumerate that, see if you can capture it, and then read back to us on what we're saying. So do do you have, like I said, notes right now that you can read back, and then we can kinda augment to it?

Yeah. I can do that now, and you can confirm a couple of these. Seems consistent. Everybody is okay with the Spanish style or likes that, but it is the larger massing. Step back is not consistent with the other historical home.

Shouldn't that be 2nd Floor specifically?

I think we there will be different segments of different setbacks. It would be the 1st Floor, and the 2nd Floor setback would be, like, two different comments. So we can split that up.

But the first comment.

Yeah. We can finish. Make that two. There's a 1st Floor setback, which was brought up tonight. It was not first brought up the 1st meeting. First meeting was more focused on the 2nd Floor setback. So both setback and orientations of the building as well to to have a similar distributions of this the massing to the similar way the other historical homes are laid out. So probably l shape in this in this particular condition situation. Alright. Let me again just massing.

So reduced square footage, setback of 1st Floor, 2nd Floor. That's four comments so far. And then orientations would be the fifth.

Can we add as well detail on materials for that Spanish style?

Yeah. Thank you. So material detail, finished detail. I get I'm sorry. The first one is massing and and and the second one is size. I think that's the same. So reducing square footage is reducing massing. So Mhmm. Let me repeat. Reduce square footage, setback of 1st Floor and 2nd Floor, orientation Of the second

orientation of the 2nd Floor.

Orientations of the 2nd Floor, you want me 2nd Floor. Specifically to the 2nd Floor. Okay. Okay. Okay. That's five points. Anything else I missed?

It's like the thing is moving the bulk of the massing towards the back of the property and reducing the size to be consistent to be to the other properties on the street,

right,

to the to the fabric of the neighborhood.

I think Kathleen had a couple

Yeah. I think that's it. I think that's what Steve was getting at.

Okay. Good. Because reducing size to the, you know, similar neighborhood, I I don't know what that means exactly. Reducing size, I think, is your goal. I I don't know.

How about, like, reducing Objectively, what what is

that in term of how much to reduce? You you know?

How about reducing until it's, like, consistent with the mass and scaling of the adjacent historic properties so as to not be kind of an eyesore in terms of the historic fabric that the neighborhood kind of has now, which I think we feel will be somewhat disrupted by the house in its current design. I lost you. It's basically, like, consistent with the massing and scaling of the, you know, nearby historic properties.

K.

Reduce size to match the existing pattern of the neighborhood. Yeah.

I mean, we're not necessarily trying to, you know, create a false history.

Yeah. Because there's we we might be focused too much on the tutors. There's other houses, you know, on that same street that are different configurations as well. So when you say the neighborhood or you say the street, you know, we can interpret that as the other ones too. So is there something specific here?

I think for for us, sorry, is how this property is going to affect the look and feel of the Tudors. Or because those are the ones that we're evaluating them against. Yeah.

Yeah. And when you're looking at any one section of the neighborhood, like, know, if you're looking at the Tudors in 05/20, you can't also see, you know, the Spanish style home that's down the block. So, I mean, you know, from, like, a aerial view, yeah, you can get a bird's eye view. But when people are walking down the street, they're not gonna be looking at, like, this house and the house down there at the corner. So it all kinda creates a panorama, And, you know, that's what we'd like to preserve is the general fabric of, you know, what's there now.

Yeah. We generally use the terms comparable to the fabric of the historic homes, meeting the ebb and flow of the street. Right.

Louisiana, Steve.

Who's gonna say that out loud all of them?

Sometimes we we we try to guide your focus to the immediate, sometime block or immediate, just two, three houses immediate to this subject property, and then you can kinda see that. And, like, commissioner, so so was saying, if you you can't, you know, look at this house at 05:20, 05:30, and then visualize the entire street because there's a couple really massive two stories down the street. So if they come back on DRH and do the massive mass, it's not the same. So you probably wanna focus on this next two, three houses in the immediate area. So Yeah.

I would agree with that. I'll make a motion unless anyone else wants to add an amendment. I'll try.

I will entertain a motion.

Okay. I move that we deny the recommendation.

Right. Recommend denial. I'm sorry? Recommend

denial. Recommended design. Oh, we I recommend that we deny We don't deny.

We recommend or deny all the project. We

recommend a denial of the mo property mo the motion? No. I'm not saying that right. We recommend denial of the proposal based upon the massing of the building being larger than the adjacent and neighboring homes, that the setback of the first and second story are closer to the street and not congruent with the adjacent historical and neighboring homes. It's two.

That the orientation of the second story massing is not congruent with the historical and neighboring homes, that the materials provided in the packet are not detailed enough for us to make a decision on the Spanish style. What was the fifth one?

You missed the second story setback. Oh. You have the first story.

I said first story? Okay. And the second story setback is not congruent and comparable with the ebb and flow and fabric of the historical and adjacent homes.

Okay. Do I have

a second?

Second.

Thank you. I have a second. Those who are in favor, say aye. Aye. Those who are not, nay. No abstaints. So unanimous one absence for recommended recommendation and denial of this project. Thank you.

Thank you for coming in.

Thank you all.

Moving on. We'll go to item 325361. This is a public hearing item for consideration of a historic preservation agreement, a Mills Act contract, or file number of PLN 250008541111HarrisonStreet. And I'll turn this over to staff.

Much appreciation, chair. Okay. As previously stated, the project is for 1111 Harrison Street, and the request is consideration of a historic preservation agreement. Here's the existing site. It's on the corner.

And the size of the site is 7,372 square feet about zoned single family, and surrounding uses are all single family as well. General plan is very low density, and the arch architectural style, is East Coast stick, that has the box bay the box bay windows that we see quite a bit, in the city as well as spindle work, ornamentation, fluid trim, etcetera. Here is a map that has some of the adjoining HRI properties. Please note that the orange boxes down there are the historical resources, and the pink boxes are the HR properties that has the those act contracts. So if this were to be approved, they would be joining quite a bit of surrounding those act properties as well.

Here is the photo that was included in the CPR form, and we can review some more photos afterwards as well. Alright. And the ten year plan is also included, mostly foundation work, drainage, building envelope trim, quite a bit of work for the foundation as it is brick foundation currently, and there would be implementing a seismic retrofitting as practical. They'd be doing repair or replacing the siding and trim, HVAC work, as well as replumbing and doing electrical work. Year six years eight and nine would be the window restoration.

I do wanna note that in the statement of justification by the home homeowners, they were quite excited for this particular project as, I believe they stated that most of the windows are the original wood windows, so, it would be very much looking forward to restoring those. And finally, the interior flooring and drywall would be repaired

stored.

Okay. So the recommendation in front of you today from staff is that the HLC to determine that the project can be exempt from CEQA pursuant to CEQA section one five six one b three and find that the Mills Act application and associated ten year plan for restoration and maintenance accomplished the intent of preserving and maintaining the historical significance of the property and therefore recommend to city council that they approve of the contract and adopt the ten year restoration and maintenance plan associated with this property located at 1111 Harrison Street. Alright. Thank you so much. Staff is here for any other questions, and the applicant is sitting in the audience today.

Thank you so much.

Thank you for that presentation. Two quick questions. No project attached to this at this moment. Right?

Right. And

then is this property already on HRI, or is that is this an addition to the HRI?

Sorry. It is currently on HRI. Yes. Okay.

I lied. One more question. Is there a plaque for this property?

I don't believe there is a plaque currently, but I can look into it.

Okay. Thank you. Anticipate everybody's questions. Any other quick questions for staff before I turn this over to the applicant?

I was curious about the Brick Foundation. What materials would they switch that to?

Let me ask the applicant when we have them come up.

As an excellent question, I'll have the applicant answer.

Cool. I invite the applicant up. Welcome.

Thank you very much.

So to answer your question about the foundation, our plan is to replace it with reinforced concrete. Ideally, we'd like to, yeah, replace it's the the the current brick foundation is in quite poor condition. And so well, we'd be open to other modes of repair, frankly, to to maintain the integrity of the structure, it's probably gonna be best to tear the replace the entire foundation with reinforced concrete. This would also give the opportunity to seal the crawl space properly to prevent intrusion. Right now, it's a dirt floor, and, you know, you get all sort

With the change to concrete visually, would it impact the look of the front of the house?

It should have minimal impact. There are a couple of windows. If you look on there, you can see to the yes. Just below the bay, there is a window that's currently the the part of the ventilation for the crawl space. There's one on that side and one on the other street side. So this is from Harrison Street. There's another window on the Main Street side there. So I believe we probably need to put some bays under that for drainage. But as of right now, the as of right now, the foundation is at ground level. So that's part

of why we're needing to

do some both

the foundation work and landscaping work to manage drainage because the house has settled, and so drainage is no longer appropriate. Yes. Should be the other way. So, yeah, so I believe that would be the primary impact of the foundation replacement. The brick foundation is not visible from the street at all. The only places where it it's visible is actually, I'm not even sure it's visible from the back. There's there's concrete steps down into the crawl space at the back, but I think you have to actually get into the basement.

I have a follow-up question. Firstly, welcome to the neighborhood. What a beautiful house. Commend you for putting the basement in its sorry.

That's my next question.

Thank you for putting the foundation in. You know, this is expensive project that you can't see, and it keeps these beautiful homes up in square to connect with the old Quad Registration Association, the neighborhood. Has a lot of these fixes out there, so there's people who have information on what they what they've done and can maybe give you some tips.

Were you planning to put in a basement? And

that's not on the plans tonight. Right?

Right. Yeah. We we are hoping to improve the basement somewhat, make it large at least somewhat usable as, you know, at least somewhat climate controlled space for, you know, storage and shop work, that sort of thing. We're not planning to put in Cool. Additional, you know, living space down

there at this point.

There is there

is other homes that have kinda going.

But on those windows, would you be planning to replace any of those windows on the basement level?

The basement level? Yes. Those are currently those have significant water damage, and they're not really functional windows. They're just screens. K. Because that's basic at at this point, that is the basement ventilation. It's really these two windows. So we'll be updating the ventilation, of course, as we have this redone. But,

yeah, I think we would want to be

we need to replace those with ceiling windows in order

to prevent water getting in. Would they be wood or at least, you know, ones that are visible from the street, would they continue to maintain the

the look that they currently have?

That would be our goal. Yes.

Too far I go? I'll go to the neighborhood. This is quite a gem, actually, like, on the corner comparison, and I think you you see that we're very concerned of windows. So so thank you for searching for to maintain and actually repair, like, all the all the windows on there. So I'm glad to hear that. I do see a plaque on the

Yes. The the Alright. The the home does have a plaque. However, the date is actually inaccurate. In the the historical review that Laurie did for us, she determined that the date that's on the plaque is 1895. The home was actually built as far as she could tell in 1892. So, ideally, we would love to get an accurate plaque. Okay.

Could I follow-up on that question? Might be a question for staff. Those plaques are issued to historical homes. So but it's not It is HRI. It's on the HRI, so it has a plaque because it's on the HRI. Just doesn't have a Mills Act. Got it?

Okay.

I wanted to commend you on such a beautiful home. That's one of my favorite streets to walk down is Harris Street. It's like one of the oldest. They're all lined up at Christmas time, so beautifully decorated. It's like my dog and I always make that route. It's just such a lovely neighborhood, and it's I believe those are the homes that were in the Library of Congress as part of that sketch for the bicentennial. So we did do a a preservation month that featured some of the homes on Harris Street. It they're lovely. Welcome to the neighbor.

Yes. Welcome. I'd also like to comment that the moon window, it was called out in the DPR that it's rare, and there's only one other home in the whole city that has that. So I do agree with the historical nature and how significant it is for the architectural detail and preserving that to commissioner Vargas Smith about that street and it being in the Library of Congress. So thank you for taking the time to maintain it and be stewards.

And see the smile across his face. Howdy is of his home.

Nice.

Any more questions for the applicant for the for the moment?

Just on the window restoration, is there any intention where you have original glass to replace with new?

Our our hope is to retain all the original glass where it's undamaged. I think there's a couple of panes that have cracks, and so we need to replace that. But assuming no loss during the work, our goal

is to retain the original glass and rebuild around it. And operational sashes will if they can be made operational, can you bring the sashes back?

That's our goal. Yeah. We My wife is telling

you yes. Oh, yes. No.

This is the one of the things that we both have been most excited about with the the projects on our list is we're preparing the windows. We're hoping to do at least substantial amount of

that work ourselves. Cool. So yes.

Are you a few work cut out, I guess. Oh, yes. There's a reason why it's fairly late in the in the plan. We're intending to start soon, but won't be completed till fairly long fairly late in the plan.

Notice you mentioned you might be on the historic home tour one one of these years, so we are excited to see the inside of that house.

We're looking forward to it. Yeah. It'll be a little while, but, eventually, yes. We've been volunteers for the, as docents, the last couple of years and have really appreciated that, one of our one of the things we love about this neighborhood.

Should a chair of the home tour has been in your ear about this?

You may have heard from her a couple of times.

Great. Okay. So let me open this up for public comments if there's any members of the public who like to comment on this project in chamber or if there's, I don't see actually any additional attendees online. So, I'm I'm not seeing any hands or anybody come up. Do we have a motion to close public comment?

Public

Thank you. Do you have a second? I second. Thank you. Those who in favor, say aye. Aye. Those who are not, say nay. Abstentions, unanimous one absence, so we close public comments. Discussion on this item?

This homeowner's ten year plan is awesome. It's got wiring. It's got foundations. It's got repairing wood windows. They they kinda hit all the really high points and expensive and labor of love topics. I I commend them from bringing such a well designed plan. They've got Laurie's excellent report here. I I fully support this

Thank you. Other comments?

I would second, commissioner Stock's comments. I would only have a couple minor changes to the ten year plan, and it's really just around, I think, on the three to four year where you talk about repairing or replacing damaged trim, I would include that with light materials and similar style to be clear that you're not I mean, it's probably assumed you're gonna do the same, but we like to be clear on that. And then also, to commissioner Stock's point on the window restoration, where wood would be replaced or repaired with like material that would include glass. But other than that, I agree. It's a beautiful home, and I appreciate the stewardship and the immense work ahead of you to keep it going.

Any comments from your commission? I was saying, oh, I second everything that has been said. Thank you. This is a great property. We love seeing somebody taking a stewardship. Few of us also have historic homes, and I I do understand the foundation problem because I've dealt with that myself. I did, you know, note commissioner stocks didn't talk about, like, maybe adding a basement at some point. I will say it is easier to add it, like, while you're doing the foundation to add the space be you know, than to do it later. So that's just, you know, a comment for you. Not any kind of requirement or anything.

But, yeah, we're very happy to see us come forward with, like, the the ten year plan. It's very sound, you know, with the with the addition on the, like, material that makes it pretty solid. Most robust window restoration plan we've seen in a very long time, I have to say. So that was that's we should set that as an example. So yeah. And that that's you know, I I would fully support this Mills Act, like, if there is a motion for it.

I just wanted to say I think it's a beautiful home. It has a lot of character, and I appreciate, you know, that you put so much thought into the ten year plan. Seems like you're really committed to, you know, retaining the historical nature of the home and character.

Would a motion include updating the plan?

We we can do that if we want.

Right. Getting that number right.

1892. I entertain a motion if anybody has one.

Motion to approve staff's recommendation to Mills Act on on this property with the condition that we get an updated plaque 1892, and modifications are made to the ten year plan to call out that the wood would be replaced with light,

and the glass would remain original when feasible. Any friendly amendment?

May I add a friendly amendment? That the trim would be replaced with light materials and in a similar style.

The trim would be replaced with light materials in a similar style.

Thank you for that motion. Do I have a second?

I second the motion.

Thank you. Those who are in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Alright. Unanimous when absence. Good. Thank you so much. We're looking forward to seeing the home. One

note on the plaque. I actually did just get notified that the company we've been using has closed, so I'm on the market for a new blacksmith, if you know anyone.

Okay. We

So it just might be a bit longer because I have to find someone to manufacture the plaque. Okay.

So it'll be subject to, like, when we find the new

vendor. Thank you.

Oh, we'll move on to the next item. This is item four. Twenty five three sixty three is a public hearing item for recommendation on the architectural review on PLN 2500065 for a demolition of an existing uninhabitable commercial structure and the construction of a new 2,598 square foot two story residence with four bedrooms and three and a half baths located at 1175 Lafayette Street within 200 feet of historic resource inventory properties. So I'll turn this over to Steph.

Much appreciation, Jerry. Alright. Item Number 41175 Street. As stated previously, the request oh, I'm sorry. I I as stated previously, the recommendation on the architectural review for the demolition of an existing uninhabitable commercial structure and the construction of a new 2598 square foot two story home with four bedrooms, three and a half bathrooms located at 1175 within 200 feet of historic resource inventory property.

The process, as stated earlier, is the HLC will review for neighborhood compatibility and consistency. The city's assigned guideline to make a recommendation, and then the DRH will make a final. Alright. The existing site is near

well, it's on.

Street. It's 6,506 square feet. It's a small family. It's surrounded by single family. Its zoning is r 16 l.

HRR properties that are within 200 feet, quite a bit. There's four in total. 1193 is right next door, 908 Fremont across the street. 936 Fremont and 1115 Lafayette RD. Was that proper?

Alright. Here is a three d rendering of the project. There's no the horizontal hardy board siding and the stone wraparound veneer on the bottom of the home and the stucco like material on the porch. And here's the site plan. It is a two two story home.

The primary 1st Floor is in white, and the 2nd Floor is highlighted in orange here. And the 1st Floor plan and the 2nd Floor plan. The 1st Floor plan, there is a garage, living room, family room, and a single bedroom. And on the 2nd Floor, you have the three additional bedrooms as well. Alright.

So for design and neighborhood compatibility, the front of the house is oriented towards the prime primary street frontage with an emphasis on the front porch or entry elements. A prominent front porch front porch is provided. The architectural features of the proposed design include the hardy board horizontal siding, stone veneer wrapped at the bottom of the home, and the stack like front porch all create a mix of materials that are true to the architectural form and appropriate for the neighborhood. And finally, the project poses both the

hip roof style I'm sorry.

The project poses a hip roof style to decrease the appearance of all match similar two story homes Historical evaluation. The evaluation was repaired by Kara Brunzel, and she studied how the impact or how this project would impact these surrounding area. The evaluation found in the property is not recommended, for any type of listing and that it would not Alright. So that makes the final recommendation here at the historical and landmark commission find that the proposed project located at 1175 Lafayette Street will not destroy or have a significant adverse effect on the integrity of the HRI properties within 200 feet and that the proposed construction is compatible with the surrounding neighborhood and recommend approval. The architectural review at the development review here.

The applicant is here as well, and staff is here for any other Thank you so much.

Thank you. Can you point out again what the historic properties are that are surrounding the this particular.

We have this page, and I can bring this up. Oh, cool. Let me just

here. Bear with me. Just a second.

Okay.

Yeah. It's gonna be these four properties here, 1115 Lafayette Street, which said was prairie style built in 1913, Mills Act with a

small plaque.

And then this other Mills Act property, 936 Fremont Street, it is a Nash eclectic cottage 1937, Mills Acton small plaque, and then the two two story homes are on this on the Fremont Lafayette Street Corner. Eleven ninety three Lafayette Street is a pioneer vernacular eighteen eighty five HRI, and 908 Fremont Street, Colonial, 30. Story, like, not yet. And then the

So the closest property is gonna be 1193. Is that Fremont?

Okay.

Because that would be right next door. That's the two story.

The rapper. K. So, please note that the zoning code and the historical structures that are on the street currently often are not in are not a match. So as you see, the sum here would not be able to be built with our zoning code today. There's no second floor step back on either of these sides, and same goes for this property as well without the 2nd Floor setback.

Those are a part of the guidelines, and now, there are these 2nd Floor setback code. So I haven't done the actual review, but from the eye test, both these would not likely be able to be built in their current configuration today.

Thank you.

Any quick questions

before bring up the drawings again. You bet, John.

So

here is the rendering packet Straight on. Angle. Play left. Right side. Oh, I'm sorry. Please note that the windows on the 2nd Floor, do not match the plans. The plans have a five foot sill height. That is what will be reflected in the final project. So I know that these windows look quite odd, but the plan does have the five foot sill. I can use the PDF in the packet to understand what the.

Yes. Sorry. I thought you were gonna say something else. But, yes, the this is what we would go with. Much better. Note that this large picture window is for these, stairwell. They lost a window here.

I'm not seeing this on a site plan. How close it is to the property to the left, like, to the property line?

We have five foot for the main house. I'm sorry. Five foot for the 1st Floor, and I believe it's gonna be 10 feet for the second.

It's the five and five again. Right. Yes. 10. Then I'm looking at the plans. There's a detached ADU, like, the drawing, and that's alpha five per view. Right? Because it's ADU? Okay.

What'd you say? The ADU in

the back that's in the drawing, that's out of our purview because that's administrative.

Oh, okay.

My apologies. I should have said that a bit earlier.

I have a question. The property that's or the structure that's on the property right now, is it that small building for some construction company?

Yes. Exactly that. This is a historical we've been used for construction. It's here and, yeah, rear well, which is more of a garage shed. This is still the main structure.

Back door has been

moved, but fallen into quite a bit of disrepair.

Was it originally built as a commercial building, you know, to house a business?

That's a great question. I was trying to find that out myself. Rereading this report, it's tough to say, but I will do my best to find an answer for you with the next

Okay. Thank you.

This project, I assume, was fully noticed. Was there any feedback from the immediate neighbors to this property?

Not at all. We have not received

any any

Odd not to hear anything. We do have, you know, the sign out front of the house to let everybody know. So even that.

Any more questions quick questions for staff before I invite the applicant?

I just have a quick question about the setback requirement for the second story. Is that for safety reasons that that's, you know, needed nowadays?

You know, we originally had it at five feet for first floor, 2nd Floor, and then the 2014 design guidelines requested that we had a three foot step back from first floor to second. Believe it was planning commission that requested us to have a blanket five foot second floor step back, so even more

But it's for aesthetic concerns. It's not safety.

Okay. Thank you.

And we mentioned the applicant's present, so I'd like to invite the applicant up for if you'll have a presentation for us.

Welcome.

Thank you, everyone. Thank you for your time. I know it's a little bit late. So going to the presentations, very similar to what Daniel showed earlier on the screen. We're looking for a new home at 2,578 square feet, two story home with the 400

square feet garage door and craftsman style,

so it's matching with the neighborhood. We study the neighborhood. We look around, and we have designed with this plan. Hopefully, we get your opinion to the next step.

You any questions for the applicant from the commission?

I I have one. Hi. I see on the render, you have horizontal siding, I don't see it on your drawings. Is that is that an error? Or