City Council - Regular Meeting

1150 is cut. I'm not walk right off the deck. Right into my hot and All right. We'd like to call to order our city council meeting for Wednesday, November 5th, 2025. Please let the record show that all members of the city council are present with the exception of councelor Arnold who is excused tonight. We also have uh members of the city staff with us and um members of UD do with us as well. Republic. I'm not sure. So you guys are represent. Yeah. With us. Uh we have asked Mr. Brooks if he will lead us in the pledge of allegiance.

If you would all rise and join me in the pledge of allegiance. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America. and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you, Mr. Brooks. I have asked Councelor Haw if he would uh offer our invocation tonight. Our dear heavenly father, we thank thee for the opportunity we have to live in this great free country and we thank thee for the opportunity we had yesterday to participate in in a free and fair election to elect the leaders that we will that will guide our government. We thank thee for the hard work that all those elected officials put forward to govern with fidelity and integrity. We ask this day that we will be able to have thy spirit to guide us as we make decisions as we discuss the needs of the city that we will know the best ways to help our citizens. We ask thee to bless the military and our public safety officials as they protect us that they will be protected with thy safety. We say these things in the name of thy son Jesus Christ. Amen.

Amen. Thank you, councelor Hos. We now have a time for public comment. Uh anyone that would like to address the council can come up and uh state their name at the microphone. Um seeing none, we will move on to presentations and reports. Uh [sighs] under the mayor's report, uh I have asked UD do to come and present about the 4,400 South Bridge Pro project. We had a meeting with them last week. Uh and at that time, I I let them know that the council would like to hear from them. uh they were updating us and I said I think uh I think it would be appropriate for them to come and so I appreciate them coming tonight and so we will just turn some time over to is Aubrey are you going to go first or we'll do it together

you both come up um we'll just make sure that microphone's on if the button is up that means it's on. Yeah. Um so just so the people online can hear you very well and uh belly up to the bar with me. All right. Yeah. The time is yours. Great. Thank you. Steve said you guys were going to be easy, kind, nice. I said the staff would be not there. [laughter]

Great. Well, we do want to give you an update. We were here in um August before we started the bridge demolition. Um and certainly the plan has um changed from what we presented last. I will I will say right out of the gate from the public outreach standpoint. So, I'm a consultant hired by UD do to manage the public outreach and we're about ready to go and we're I still really want to do all the updates. I would love a really firm schedule before we reach out to the public again. So, we'll address that a little bit later on, but um we intend to to do all of those um efforts that we had planned originally. Um we will do them when the when the schedule is sure and we have something to present with confidence.

You want to talk about this? Excuse me. Sure. Yeah. That was a lot of code there. I didn't What? What are you talking about?

Perfect. We'll jump into that as we go through. We started construction back in August 11. And right now that we plan to finish up in summer of 2026. And when we started, we had we thought we had everything all lined up and with the 4,400 South Bridge, we're like, "Okay, we're going to go. We should be all good." And we we started the saw cutting for the removal of the bridge. when we found out, hey, you know, there's an FAA permit that you need to go through and apply for and it's going to take some time and some delays happened and and so it's just kind of one domino after another just kind of delayed us on that.

So, so to answer your question, we had originally intended to do an open house. We had it scheduled here at city hall and then we canled that nearly the day of because of these delays where we didn't have answers to the big schedule questions. So where I'm saying I still intend to do all these things, I would like to do them when we have a more sure schedule from the contractor. And we will address what we're doing and and what has been held up throughout this presentation. Do you want to move to the next? You're just fine.

Okay. Okay. So, the work that has been completed to date, we have the some asphalt and concrete work at the Cozyell roundabout. Uh there's been some utility relocation work, some new fiber line that's been done. Um a little bit of asphalt work and con and curbon gutter there at Parker Drive in 1250 West. The stamp concrete is is still coming. It's forthcoming. And then here's a picture of some of the work that's been done under the the I84 bridges where they're coming and essentially creating a vertical wall in preparation for the new bridges there. And then we'll get into the 4400 South over I-15. Some of the delays kind [snorts] of when we started off, we didn't know all the ins and outs of the things we've learned along the way about the permits that we need to go through and obtain. We we have the aeronautical. Was it airway study, a safety risk management and the nose to airmen. So, we've met with the airport and and we apply for the nose to airmen like, oh, well, we need to obtain this aeronautical study which takes about 45 days and we're in the process of doing that. We submitted it and then the federal shutdown now and so it's kind of up in the air of when they're going to be there. That's delaying us for the moment. And then after that they say there's the safety risk management that we're working with the airport to see what level that all entails and what that all means and the schedule. So is I guess what we're saying is for a firm schedule. We don't have a firm schedule. We have an idea and hope of hey we should have everything resolved. Our hope is by the beginning of January and we can get out there and start moving forward. We do have scheduled a meeting on November 18th with all the mayors and the senior leadership at UD do just to update everybody, keep everybody on the same page and let everybody know, you know, how we're progressing and and how we're moving forward.

The conversation we met today with the Ogden Airport uh manager and assistant manager and um they're very interested in what how can we problem solve this? what can we do to help you make this happen? If there were no obstacles, what would you need to do to get started right away? And then working backwards to that, understanding that there are obstacles. Currently, the FAA permits are non-starters while the government is shut down. And so our schedule of January is if we can open up, if if we can get this permit, then getting the contractors um the equipment, the crew, the subcontractors, the specialty items to get moved in. If those if we had free and clear progress starting today, we can we can begin in January.

Yeah. Okay. You got to get [clears throat] if by the way I think it's poetic justice that one agency like UD do is having frustrations dealing with another agency like FAA but anyway that's a side note [clears throat] um what do you need there are to have cranes or something that's a problem? Yes. Yes. We we need to drive piles in order to put the foundation of the bridge. So, it's a pile pile driver. It's a pile driver that needs to be up in the air about 140 feet or so. And just because of the proximity near the airport, we have to obtain approval to do so.

There's a runway where all the students fly in and out and uh that's the it's the training runway [clears throat] and they go days, they go nights. They've got to get there. I I I tried to understand it as a driver to think of your 15-year-old permit driver. They got to get their nighttime hours in. They got to, you know, they've got to practice all day and all night. And so, in order to have access to the runway, the cranes can't be in the way. In order to have access to the cranes, the planes can't, you know, they they can't conflict. So, we've discussed closing that runway in total. And that's the meeting on the 18th will be a discussion of how much does it cost every single day to do that for how long? If it's a daytime operation, lanes have to be closed on I-15 in order to do the work. If it's a nighttime operation, we're really, really noisy in a pretty residential area. Um, if we can't hoist cranes 145 ft high, but we could do it 62 feet high, what does that do to the integrity of the of the steel piles that are going down? You know, we they're 30t long. If we only have a 60ft crane, then we have to cut them to 10 feet at a time and then weld them back together. And that makes the whole thing go so much slower to cut it apart and to weld it back together. So, we're throwing all of the ideas out there and trying to come up with the one that's feasible and and that's where we had discussed having all of the decision makers in one place and that's November 18th. And we've been doing a lot of background work to to have these discussions and to see what's feasible

and continue to do so and you know with all of the agencies with the Ogden airport but also with the FAA with the tower um seven layers of FAA approval to get some of these things done once they once they open up. So, um, kind of planning scenarios. I think Mr. Brooks has No, they can finish. I'll just jump in here. Mr. Brooks has a question or a comment. When [clears throat] you're done. When you're done. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, no. I I was going to make a comment when you're done, but we're we're fine. Continue on. I can be done.

No. I go ahead and finish. I I want to give them a little bit of background on how we were involved in it just so they know. But you guys go ahead and finish yours, too. I guess the the question I was going to have was um America first has cranes up there and my understanding is that they had the same issue. That that was the thing I was actually going to address and and this is the thing that's so frustrating. I'm still going to try and be nice to you guys. You're

um [clears throat] we met we we had met a couple of times and discussed these things and then we were called down and had a big meeting. the contractors and everybody was there. And at that time, we were told, "Okay, if you let us change some stuff, you know, we want to shorten the time frame, but we need to close that road a little bit longer, but we'll be done faster and and it's going to save you money and all these kind of things." And we, you know, we're hesitant. We didn't want to close that road anymore than we had to, but we agreed to it because of all the side benefits we had. Right after that, and this is where it's so frustrating to us, and and that's all I'm just venting here.

Um, in that same meeting, and it goes right with what Stacy was saying, Shawn Douglas, who had just gone through this with America First and that development up there, we knew there were issues if you're going to bring cranes in, but Sean pointed out in that meeting, you guys are going to have to contact people. You're going to need permits for these cranes. And so, we had warned everybody. It wasn't like we didn't we did everything we could to help people out as a staff and then they turned around and then started cutting that bridge out. Well, once you start that cut on, you got to finish it. They were stuck at that point and then realized after the fact that they got to get these permits and so now we're looking at way longer than than we ever thought. And so for us, this has just been a total disaster. We we thought we were helping and cooperating and we're hoping to get concessions and costs and stuff and this is killing us. You guys have all seen the traffic problems this has caused. You're getting the phone calls. We're getting the phone calls. Now we're starting to get the phone calls about people not coming to Riverdale anymore. They just the mayor's received numerous letters that they're just saying we're done. We're not coming anymore. So we don't even know what the long-term effect of this is going to be. And so that's where it's so frustrating to us. And I'm not blaming Utah. I'm not blaming contract. I don't know who did it quite frankly, but somebody messed up and it wasn't us. I think we did our everything we could possibly do as a staff to warn them what was going on here and try to salvage the city and we're going to pay for this for a long time. I mean, this may be ir irreparable. It's just it's so frustrating, but uh and let alone we will never save any money and and what we're losing in in tax sales and we will lose during Black Friday. That was the other thing. We were going to try and be done by Black Friday. that's not going to happen and then we're going to lose Christmas sales and everything else besides, you know, the permanent loss loss we take on that. So, I just wanted to point out we did everything we could as a staff to to cooperate on this deal and and we're paying the price. The city's paying the price for that. So,

again, I don't want to point fingers. It's just somebody screwed up badly and and it's just unfortunate. But, and you know, I I don't don't expect perfection, but this was just such a an event that man, we're going to pay for this for a long time. So, it's just it is what it is. You know, we got to live with it, but uh hopefully we get a nice product out of it at the end. And I don't know. I don't know. We'll see what happens. And I hope they can get it fast. I know they've done whatever they can and they're twisted arms and everything, but now we we look at a shut out on the federal level and how much is that going to slow it down. I mean, this is just a nightmare and it just keeps happening. You know, it's a domino effect. So, um but but you do's been good to work with. I'm not saying any of that, but man, this is just this is killing us. Just absolutely killing us.

Oh, I was just gonna say we [clears throat] appreciate the the heads up and we did meet with the airport beforehand. Unfortunately, it was just not communicated all the the intricacies of what this all entails and and I guess we just didn't fully understand exactly what we were getting into. When we went into it,

we had a meeting with the airport manager who has since retired and been replaced. Um, and the and it was not fully communicated to us. We thought it was. We didn't know what we didn't know. When we met with him, he laid out a process for us and that was delivered to us and we put it into the spec and it was not the complete process. And it wasn't until the contractor followed what the instructions that they were given that we realized it was an absolute no-go. And so we we did get I you know we did get the the warning you're going to have to follow the process. And to the extent that we were aware of it and that we had communicated with the airport, we understood that we were and um had marching orders from the very start of the design phase. And here we are.

How how are the budget numbers being affected by this? And who's the project the construction budget? Yeah. And who's going to step up with the additional because I you know you know that any delay cost dollars. Any delays cost dollars and right now UD do's planning on covering those delays with those dollars of hey it's taking us these extra few months that we have in here and so UDOT is stepping up to to take care of those costs. Someone mentioned if they go to the 10 foot piles it's going to add a million dollars, you know, cutting those and rewelding them before. I mean the costs are stacking up.

Yeah. And they also told us our savings are gone that we were going to get out of the deal. But councelor Hansen, do you have a question or was it councelor Richtor?

And I'm not going to restate anything Mr. Brook said. I think I think you stated it properly. I I'm just curious um is there any coordination with the 5600 Roy 5600 project? Because what really happens, as you know, there's it shuts down any outlet they have from Riverdale. As the mayor indicated, it it's just shut down the city and but it's complicated by the 5600 project. So, even though you can maybe get up Riverdale Road and and literally I get more calls on this from citizens than everything else combined, you can't get out of Riverdale at 20 minutes in on some days to get from main Riverdale Road up to Roy. and there's really no other way to get there. Is there any coordinate and and really what it is is that you get that bottleneck on 5600. So even when you get up to the top by 1900, you still can't get out.

Both projects are being constructed by granite construction and so there is a lot of internal coordination um between granite staff. Is there really?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's it's the same it's not the same crews but it is the same you know the guys are reporting up to the top at the same time. So there is coordination and and I I'm also I I drive it every day too. I live in Bountiful, but I am working on, you know, I 84, a little bit on 56, 1800 North, 2000 West. So, I I'm here every day trying to get bizarrely in a from Horox Engineers right by the Maverick to the Whitaker office by Ogden Airport. So, I drive the exact detour every day where that bridge would was what was connecting me every single day. So, um, yeah.

Do you have more slides or is this

Yeah, just just to show you what is closed, what is open. I mean, this is not new news to you. We uh worked really hard to get that uh closure, that temporary closure under um the I4 ramps open on time. We were fully aware that people were waiting for us to, you know, meet a deadline. And we we worked real hard to get that one open um by October 3rd. As stated, there is some nighttime one-way traffic going on uh for about three more weeks. I just talked to the contractor this afternoon in preparation for this, and we anticipate three more weeks of oneways at night there. But those are the roads that are open. That green road doesn't exist anymore.

The Cozy Dale. Cozyale. Yeah. With the arrow at the end. Yeah. It's changed. The line changed. Yeah. That the gray road out there is now connected. That's what cuz that cuz that's what I take to get to Horox. Is that not up to a certain point and then I guess further up they're saying it now connects. Yes. The new road. Yeah. Is open. Okay. Can you give them some dates? The dates you gave us. Are you hoping for something? I mean the temp the tenative January start date. Yeah.

Which would then hoping to open a bridge by springtime. Spring is a big rain. I understand. And that's that's when we, you know, reschedule a meet the contractor openhouse to communicate this to the public. I want to be able to give you a date more firm than spring. We the contractor can put together a schedule as detailed as they had from the start when we have a start date.

One other piece of information that they shared with us, I I can't remember what I've shared with you. I've talked to so many people, but they because of the runways and the cranes and so much stuff, they've talked about doing work at night. Did I tell you about the three weeks? Um so in our latest meeting they they blessed us with the wonderful news that they're going to be driving piles for 11 hours a night um for 3 weeks piles how being driven I don't know like three weeks worth [laughter] for for 11 11 hours a night from uh so what is it it's from let's see 8 to 7 8 can coincide with night flights and it'll Yeah. Enjoy all of it at once.

Yeah. Anyway, in comparison, how many they get? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know up to the America First, but but I hear I hear people in the terrace complaining to me about the America First ones. So, can I can only imagine what uh uh you know those Connie Fuller's going to think right there, those people around the school. Um it's going to be really really rough on those folks. And so, we would love to do it during the day, but we just I don't know. It it's going to depend on the airport and the runway and stuff, but that's gonna just get ready for that because I'm sorry. Is that is it seven days a week operations at the airport? I believe I believe so. I believe so. Okay. I'm just

Yeah, [clears throat] I was asking a lot of very basic questions. You know, I'm just trying to understand how it works. I'm so unfamiliar with that. And so today I had asked, do you know how many planes come and go? Do you had to get a heads up? And and I kind of think about it as driving on a road or a toll road. No, I don't have to tell anyone when I get up and go to the store or, you know, get into a parking lot. I get to go and the only thing they do is they, you know, collect a fee as it lands. So, it's there's there's not a real solid way to anticipate, but they said last night they had 50 planes land. So, I mean, I was hoping it was like five, you [laughter] know, that if that if it was something that was movable, you know, if it if it was a low enough number, we could we could readjust, but 50 a night. They said sometimes it's that high, sometimes it's higher, sometimes it's lower. So, um I just was trying to wrap my head around what they deal with. And the tower goes dark at 8:00. I understand there's nobody there to man the tower. And so, um, it has its own set of complications that is just unfamiliar to us. And so, we're we're trusting them to tell us how things operate there. Um, will the will the fact that they're going to now be working on the uh 4,400 bridge over I-15 at the same time that they're going to be working on the bridge the bridges to for I 84? Is that going to complicate things? Because originally, my understanding is the the original thing was they were going to keep something open over I-15 so that you know do part of it then tear the other part down then do it and that would all be going on at the same time that the 44 the I 84 bridges were being built and

then moved in. Now it's all going to be done. Well, then it was going to be this one was going to be done, so we didn't have to worry about that as we did the other. But now they're both going to be going on at the same time. Are you thinking about impact to traffic? Yeah. O overall impact? I mean, when when they get ready to put those um those bridges, the I84 bridges into place, is the fact that they're also working on the I-15 bridge going to complicate things or do they think that that's not going to delay the I84 part?

Yes. when they slide those I84 bridges into place, that'll be over a weekend. And so it'll be fully devoted to that weekend of, okay, we remove this bridge, slide this one in at Friday so we can open up Monday for the commute. And and so as far as impacts that way, the time frame hasn't changed. You still only have the weekend to complete that work. Now that we're past that six week uh closure of 44 under, the impacts are the same at I84 from here on out from the original plan.

The pylons are going to be driven on on the area supporting the over I-15. Correct. Or is it both I-15 and 84? Both areas are going to get pylons. Oh, okay. That adds to your tally of how many how many piles there will be. I thought it was just the one side on 515, but yeah. Any other questions? Any other presentation or comments? No, we have more slides.

Um, yeah. So, this is what I was addressing when I when we got started our outreach efforts. I want to reschedule the meet the contractor openhouse as soon as we have a schedule to to share and and sure info. Um we have been sending weekly email updates out as work has been happening as there was work happening when we demoed the bridge over I-15 and work currently, you know, ongoing through the next little bit on the uh I84 under I 84. um we're coming up to an end and so I don't want the emails to just be abandoned and that's another story of you do just ghosting this whole thing but we we will kind of go into a pause and so we'll communicate that that you know stay tuned for more um we discussed when we first met oh gosh what was that August about hosting a meet the or sorry hosting a business owner ers workshop. Um [snorts] we went out and talked to a hundred businesses um in the area and we had it kind of divvied out. I think I' I've sent the spreadsheet to you of local businesses, our big boxes, our car dealerships, things like that, you know. Um but 100 businesses overall um offering up a business owners workshop. It's a process that we've done in cities all over from Park City to um Salt Lake City, West Jordan. you know, we we've done this workshop in a handful of places. It's officially been adopted by Salt Lake City for all of their uh projects that happen in the city um to help business owners brainstorm and consider ideas and how they can partner together and, you know, swap customer lists and and anyway, a variety of tools. We offered this up here and we heard back from one business and it was

the pawn shop and so we canled. there wasn't nobody had RSVPd so we reached out to the pawn shop and have been in communication with them but canceled the the business owners workshop aside from that um we still do have our website email and hotline uh ongoing coordination with you we've mentioned this but there's folks from Riverdale who are invited to our weekly construction meetings um and then we had some you know initial startup conversations with UTA emergency services school district and things like that to for bus routing and um neighboring cities. I am working on some projects with Roy and I talk with them quite often. So, this is an ongoing conversation with Roy and then they've been invited to this meeting on the 18th. I noticed I knew this was going to happen, but since since um Bob's on his way out, he has moved much of his efforts onto city staff. So, I I noticed that a handful of folks from the staff had been forwarded that email, and I anticipate Matt Andrews and a few other people will be in attendance at that meeting, and I'm sure they'll invite the new mayor to that meeting as well.

Good. Mhm. All right. Any other questions? All right. Thanks for coming in tonight. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Cross, [clears throat] we can get this done, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Thanks, guys. All right. Thanks.

Okay. Uh I told you I had another part for the mayor's report and that was from uh the kids suggestions from the uh lunch with the mayor yesterday. So I'll just read you some of these things. So what what happens is I I talk to them and uh then the police chief and the fire chief talk to them and it's it's fun. We had some Chick-fil-A and and then I uh do a little exercise at the end and ask them things that they would like to see uh in the city. And uh a lot of it's the normal stuff. Baseball fields, parks, nature center. Uh, one thing I haven't seen before, they said they'd like to see a hospital or a health center, uh, health or like doctor's offices in the city. I thought that was kind of interesting. Uh, swings at the upper playground, soccer fields. One of them said they'd like to see no schools in the city.

Um, one sharp kid said they'd like to get AC at Riverdale Elementary. I said, now that's something we need. You know what I mean? Like, now we're talking. Uh, cuz because we have a bunch of elementaryaries. Uh, we've got Roosevelt that comes and Washington Terrace and Good Foundations. Well, they all have AC, but Port Riverdale doesn't. Uh, community garden, an arts center. Finally, someone uh yelled out swimming pool, which we always have a good talk about that we talk about how cities pay for things. It's always an opportunity to say, "Do your parents want their taxes raised?" And they say, "No." And so, we talk about that. And then also, the last thing they said is they'd like to see uh younger people be able to get driver's licenses. So, [laughter] younger than 16. Yeah, that's good job security for our police, right? [laughter] 16's scary enough. Having having a son that is uh two weeks, no, one week away from turning 16. Uh 16's plenty young, [laughter] especially for a boy's brain. I will just tell you that. Okay, that's all I have for the mayor's report. Uh city council assignment reports. Would any of you like to report on the things you're working on? Councilor Richtor,

just a quick thanks to Mr. Taylor and the and the youth council for the Halloween party. I know a lot of work especially on your part and uh that limited. So thank you. Appreciate that.

It really was fun. Yes. Thank you. I I failed to mention that but uh we go every year and uh the maze was Yeah. Tell them that was that was stepped up this year and uh it was super fun. Love seeing those kids and so many people there just packed. So all right uh let's get moving here and uh so consent items since it feels like it's the middle of the night, right? It's dark outside. Number [clears throat] one, consideration to approve the meeting minutes from the October 21st city council work session and city council meeting. That's October 21st, 2025. Any questions or comments on those minutes? Seeing none, we need a motion to approve. So moved. We have a motion. Do we have a second? Motion and a second. All in favor say yes.

Yes. Any opposed? All right. We move forward to action items. Number one, consideration of resolution 2025-34 amending the consolidated fee schedule to include senior center membership fees. Mr. Taylor,

thank you, Mayor. Um, we were in here a couple weeks ago with a discussion um on this idea, and this is the the product that we bring before you. Um, it has a a resident yearly rate, a non-resident yearly rate, a resident monthly rate, and a non-resident monthly rate. Um, the goal here is to, um, establish a fee, um, get it on the fee schedule and evaluate and see how it's going. Um we we're trying to be sensitive to seniors on fixed incomes. Also trying to be sensitive to some of the constraints we have um with staffing and things. You'll see there's a little tag on that fee schedule. It's the same as the community center fee schedule that's been approved where we have a a once a year sale on the yearly passes only. Not the monthly passes, just yearly passes. So I don't know if you guys have any questions. Um,

so that was in there something about the sale, the yearly sale or sorry that was a question I had. Blake, you will you will have a sale. We that's what we'd like to do. Obviously, it's up to the council on what they approve, but the the wording in there isn't specific on on when or how much. It just allows for uh a sale, okay, for a period of one month, okay, every year is what it allows for on the annual passes. I didn't want to put rates in there of how much and things because we might change that, right? And I don't want to come to the council every single time that anyway. Yeah. So, but it is listed in there.

Okay. I I didn't catch that. So, thank you. I'm glad I'm glad you have that in there because it consolidates your your time of selling, you know, of of right, you know, the period of time that they have to be doing that. So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Questions? Uh let's see. I think uh councelor Hos No, Councelor Hansen. Um I had a couple questions. One was, although we're approving it tonight for the ordinance to be adopted in November, are you planning on beginning the when are you going to start?

I appreciate that question. I I failed to address that. We would anticipate starting um the first working um day in January. So, it would be a new year thing. Um, by approving it tonight, it would allow us to notice the people that attend the senior center in advance. And that and mainly it's because I was hoping that we could put a little time in with the other cities before we implement it in case we can work out agreements with them to do kind of a like we do with the aquatic center.

Yeah. And that was a really good idea that we plan on approaching those cities. Um, we need to strategize about what angle. Not every city has somebody in my position working with senior centers. So, I don't know if it's uh better on the city council or the mayor level or or how that looks, but we've pulled numbers from cities and you know, we have some data share with them.

Yeah. And and so that they could understand exactly what we're asking or potentially what we're asking. I mean, their residents would have to participate in it, right? Um, but it's it's up to you guys as a council. Um, because having those conversations and having everything set for a January start would be problematic. Um, and so if if we wanted to do something like that, we could push back the membership fee um effective date, I guess. Um, another problem you might run into is their budgets, you know, start in July or whatever. So that if they want to do something about that, they might not be able to do it.

So, so Miranda and I had conversations about this idea specifically, and one of the things that that we talked about was just that if we put a fee on the books right now, we start communicating with them right now, it won't be effective for this first goound, but that's when they're in budget talks. And if their budgets take effect July 1, then for the next year coming up, they could be on board with that program. Um, so we did we did have that talk. Again, it's whatever the council prefers um on how to do it. But

my other question was you have the individual rate. Um I know maybe not as common, but what about if there's a couple would there be a discount for a couple rate for membership? Yeah, so we didn't um put anything in there. Uh we we were looking at handing it as an individual transaction. Um mainly the different price points create uh complication in doing transactions and so we're trying to keep it as simple as possible to streamline those transactions. Uh again anticipating the the the staffing that it takes to do it and everything. We just wanted to try to be as simple as possible.

You may run into problems with a couple of definition too. you know, like me and my friend are going to and we're trying to keep the rates low enough that that that it's not a a constraint to you know, even if they are paying individually. Um, [clears throat] again, I guess it depends on what your budget looks like and you know what everybody has a different definition of low, but the fees that we put before you, we're trying to keep that in mind. Councelor Haw, you had a question.

Yeah. Has has uh any of this been um presented to the seniors themselves at all as

definitely nothing formal. Um it really not appropriate because until it gets approved, there's really nothing to talk about. Um but there has been some just discussion about it. And and the other thing to remember is that the other facilities in close proximity have a monthly fee and there are people who participate on a certain day at a certain facility and kind of bounce around. So they have more than one membership as it is already. Um so this is not a new concept. We're kind of the last ones to the game. Um, we're the last one that doesn't have anything. So, we have not talked any kind of dollars amounts with them, but it has been mentioned that we're looking at at possibly putting a fee on it, but that that's it. That's the extent.

So, so they're aware of the concept. I I don't know that everybody is, but yes, I would say has I mean, we talked about it last council meeting, and that's a public meeting. I We're not hiding anything. It's just I did get one comment back from the senior if you want to know. If you do it in the council meeting, it's pretty much hidden. Well, I had one I know it's a public meeting. It's just that nobody

had a senior respond from my email last night. And [clears throat] um she's pretty she's pretty active in our local community, even at the rec center, I think. And she thought it was great and that because she loves the senior center so much that she has no problem paying an annual fee and she thought it was low and reasonable. And I mean, she's one person and I'm everyone's not going to be in the same circumstances, but I was surprised that she was so positive about it and that but because she cares so much to be sure that it's sustainable into the future that she was willing to pay her part to keep it that way.

I think that's a great point and a great way to message it. Like if you want the senior center to be viable, like we're just trying to keep it around, you know? Uh councelor Stevens.

Yeah. Thank you. um an observation then a question patronizing the community center or rec center. Um I've there's there's groups of seniors that come there. They play raetball or you go to the gym or whatever and it's a network. It's a it's a it's a group and and they have great camaraderie. And occasionally I go over and have lunch at the senior center and I see a number of the same people over there. Now that's that's my observation. Um by the way going into the rack ball especially during the the cold uh winter months um you have to take your little tag and put it before you know and it checks you in. And you know, it's not uncommon to see a guy or person with a with a their bag with their racket bag and they'll have two or three or four different tags and they'll flip through. Oh yeah, I'm here. And you know, because they they're they're signed up at multiple facilities. Anyway, so my question is to you, is this been thought out that okay, you have a fee, annual fee for the the community center or rec center and if and you're going to have a separate fee for the senior center and can you get a group discount? So, buy them both or uh you know, or are you going to synchronize it so you can get them both at the same time? So, um I appreciate you bringing that up. Just informally as staff, we've talked about that idea. Um you don't see anything on the fee schedule before you because it's not something that we're proposing currently. Part of it is by doing this annual discount on the annual passes. I

mean, it's pretty low and it's hard to discount below that. Um, that's part of it, but the other part of it is, um, we're staffed well at the community center to handle those types of things, but we're not staffed well at the senior center to to do a more complex transaction like that. Okay?

Meaning, if we did some kind of discount, um, it would only be avail like we'd want to either facility could handle it, right? And currently we're just not comfortable doing it at the at the senior center just because of staffing concerns. And so we'd be pushing everybody over to the community center, which there are quite a few people that patronize both facilities, but there are some that don't. And if and I guess they wouldn't want the bundle, but we will be selling these annual and monthly passes at the community center as well for those people that come. It won't be a bundled, but they can buy it at at the front desk because it's the same system that we use. a followup. A couple years ago, I think maybe longer, I was issued a little tag and because I I try to zap it so that, you know, it shows usage and whatnot. Well, it's been misplaced. It's been gone a couple of years and now that I'm kind of patronizing the senior center from time to time, okay, I admit I'm I'm qualified to be there. U and they ask for it and and I'm going I have no idea. It's it's I don't know where it is. Do you have a mechanism to replace those? Okay. Um we'll we'll get an answer offline.

I'll just n my head. Okay. Yeah, we do. Okay. Council Richtor. And these fees are cons I think you mentioned at the last meeting. These fees are consistent with what you're seeing at the other senior centers in in the area or

Yeah. So, so the the other facilities that we're aware of, it's a $5 a month fee, which translates to a $60 a year pass. Um, and so you'll see the ones that we're proposing for the non-residents, that's right in line with that and the residents would get a discount. And again, this is anticipated to get it on the books, to evaluate it, to look at it, and and just like all of our fees on the consolidated fee schedule, we evaluate them and adjust them as as needed. So, this is a starting point. So, I guess one one option uh if we're really serious about going to the other cities might be to delay it until July. Maybe put it on the books, but it doesn't go into effect or I hate I hate to wait

or like a half like do a temporary half a year thing. I don't know. Yeah, there's no guarantee.

Do you want this to synchronize for January for both? So, we've found a lot of success at the senior center or the community center doing a January annual sale kind of people are making commitments and you know um and it's worked really really well for us. It's just skyrocket our revenues um and we would we we would like to do something like that at the senior center um beginning in January. Um [clears throat] I kind of feel that some of these um relationships with the cities and working this process is going to take a little bit of time and I hesitate waiting. I mean again whatever you guys want to do but I hesitate waiting till something's in place because we don't know when and if um another big factor I feel would be the non-residents approaching their own city councils. So, if we've introduced the idea and so they've heard about it and then in maybe an open comment or in their communication with their own city council, them bringing it back around might have a little bit more effect. Um, pulling the numbers and looking at the rates that we're proposing, it's not a huge chunk from any city as far as financially. You know, it's just we're not asking for $100,000 from anybody. And I think you're right, like uh what better way to get the city ready to put it in their budget in July than having their residents go to them over the next six months and saying, "Hey, Riverdale's willing."

Yeah, I'm paying extra. What What are you going to do about this? How can [clears throat]

I thinking messaging wise, you could put it out that we're working on that so they know because they may be upset, but that they know that we're working for opportunities for them to either get it cheaper with the annual sale or that we're going to try to work with their cities and if they want to help. We we had talked about putting out a fact sheet to the non-residents um that kind of outline what we have proposed to their cities and encourage them if that's something they want to contact their city type of situation rather than us being the salesman. If you you know uh councelor Hansen you mentioned this idea which is a great idea patterned after what we have going on with Roy. um if I have the correct information, we approach Roy rather than Roy approaching us about this, you know, and I think it works a little bit better that way. Um I feel that we should introduce it to them. I that they should hear it from us

that we're open to it, right? And then kind of let the non-residents and the usage and the interest drive it. You might have some non-residents that rather than go to the meeting and communicate with their council would rather just pay the fee. I I I I don't I don't know. But I agree. By doing a sale and by saying, "Hey, we're open to this. Working with your city on this, we're giving them opportunities to save some money." So, okay. Other questions, comments? Councelor Hos,

I just uh was thinking about I mean the I last year my wife and I bought a family pass to the um Roy Rec Center through their city program. And so I just jumped out there to see what their uh their pricing was and it's not double for non-residents versus residents for that. And so I was just wondering why why we just we went for the full double.

Um if you look through my department specifically with the consolidated fee schedule, you'll notice a lot of the non-resident fees are actually triple. Um when it comes to community center admittance and usage fee, we have a double and that's just kind of what we've historically done. So we modeled this after that. Um, part of it makes the the discounts and things pretty simple, um, if we're doing a discount sale, but I don't know that it's based on any kind of facts or data. More just a practice that we've had. Um, and and you'll notice our fees consistently in our city are lower than everybody's. And so the double for the residents, the non-residents actually comes in cheaper than them signing up as a resident in their own city. as it relates to my department with our programs and facilities and things.

I was just looking at the complexes rates too because I was thinking about it doing the city program and I was surprised that it wasn't that great of a deal. It made me wonder though because I wasn't looking at it before they did that big remodel if they've changed fees. They have. And so that's what I'm guessing is made it not as equitable because of that big remodel and that they don't have the funding. So they're pushing for more funding. But I don't know for sure. But they did do a big fee change when they reopened. But yeah, I don't I don't Okay. Any other questions or comments? Councelor Hos,

one last comment. Um, I was, as I was looking through this, I was a little surprised because I thought that we had a um that we had or when I was on the council the first time when we built it, we actually put in uh rental fees for the different parts of the of the senior center that they could rent the um I believe that's correct. I I believe but the correct I don't see anything in the fee schedule now for that.

Yeah. To my understanding and this is before my time um but I do feel like I have a decent understanding um those rentals didn't last very long at all. Um they were having some issues um with the with the rentals and damage and supervision and whatever else. And so my my belief is that that fee was just wiped from the fee schedule because they didn't want to offer the rentals any longer. Okay. So, okay. Council Richtor move to approve resolution 202534 uh with the fee schedule updates as stated in the packet. Okay. We have a motion. We have a second. I'll second. Motion and a second. Uh uh discussion here.

I know there was a little bit discussion on the uh beginning date. Yeah. Um, we I didn't address it in in my proposal. Do we want to address it in the motion? That's my only Yeah. Uh, councelor Richard move to uh have that begin on January 1st. Okay. 2026. Second agrees. Second agrees. Okay. We have an amended motion. Uh, any discussion on that motion? Seeing none, Miss Mayor Gon please pull the council. Councelor Richtor. Yes. Mr. Hansen. Yes. Mr. Arnold. Stevens. Yes. And councelor Hos. Yes. All right, that passes. Very good. Thank you. Thank you, council. Yeah.

All right. Action item number two, consideration of a resolution uh of resolution 2025-35 recognizing and approving the Riverdale, Utah 250 uh community committee. Uh Miss Maraggoni, Ms. Maraggoni. So, I wrote this up just as their suggested name um on the resolution, but I was just looking at their website and it does say, however, committees are free to select a different name. So, it it's still designated as an official Utah 250 community, but you can call it whatever you want. And that's all I really have as far as any kind of

maybe give us a little background of what the committee is going to do, what uh what this is for.

So this is for what they're trying to do is get all the different communities involved with the America 250 and then Utah is doing their own kind of offset along with it. But the Utah 250 um [clears throat] what they're offering is they're calling it a toolkit and some non-competitive funding. So, they'll give us $1,500. It's just first come, first serve, so it's not dependent on your project or your committee or anything like that. Um, but then they also will give you licensing to use all their logos and their materials and stuff like that. It's $1,500. Um, we have a couple of ideas for some things to put in conjunction with Old Glory Days since it's also on the 4th, which is kind of a natural fit. Um, so we would just use the uh $1,500 for just to add a little bit.

Huh. As a committee. Yeah. But yeah. And when you say the logo, is it an America 250? I've seen an America 250. It's not a Utah 250. It's America 250 Utah. Okay. Utah 250 community. There's a a state branch. Okay. So, it is a national project. Yeah. But the state has its own branch that's facilitating that national project. Okay. Most of the logos are the America. It's a lot of it's just the 250. Looks like it's made out of ribbons. Yeah. But it's America 250 with that and then it has the line and this is Utah. Okay. Any questions from or comments from the council for Ms. Maragoni?

Councelor Hos, did you have something to say? Well, [laughter] yeah. I want to I'd rather have it be called the America 250 Riverdale, Utah Community Committee. Okay. I mean, I know that's getting big, but yeah. um looking around it at uh some of the other I just did a a search for America 250 Utah and it came up, you know, the the suggestions came up with various cities, okay, and counties that were doing it that way. America 250, Utah, and then their city or their city and then Utah. So,

okay. Do we have a consensus on what how exactly you'd like to read? Do you want America 250 Riverdale City Riverdale Utah Community Committee? Okay. Riverdale, Utah Community Committee. You got that, Miss Marone? America 250 Riverdale Utah Community Committee. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's what was said. So for [laughter] be careful like think through it before we say. Okay. Um so uh that's that's a suggestion from councelor Haw and um the other thing is once this is passed and we've created we've recognized a committee we'll need to form a committee form the committee. Okay

and they suggest five to 10 people with different kind of community people. Let's see recognizing and approving. Did you want to do that tonight? Approve the members or no no just okay we can do that later. Okay. approving approving the formation of the committee in the name tonight. Okay. Will the appointments come back to the council for approval if you want them to? Yeah, let's do it. I think that's appropriate. And I if you want to send me suggestions too, I can put something together. And some of them could participate if they want as long as there's not more than two. Yep.

Okay. [snorts] Um Okay. Any other questions or comments? Then let's have a motion and let's try to include the new name if we can. Um, let me find that. Move to approve resolution number 2025-35, a resolution of the Riverdale City Council recognizing and approving the America 250 Utah Riverdale Utah Community Committee. Perfect. Okay, we have a motion. We have a second. Second

motion and a second. Any discussion on that motion? And just so everybody knows that will that is repeated throughout the um resolution. So all instances will be replaced. Okay, we'll update that. Very good. Thank you. Uh all right, Miss Maron, any other discussion? Miss Maron, please poll the council. Hos, yes. Councelor Hansen, yes. Stevens, yes. Councelor Rtor, yes. All right, that passes unanimously. Very good. Let's move on to number three. Let's have a discussion about adding uh some historic name or names to signs and roads. Uh Mr. Douglas is not here tonight and so we can just have at it.

Actually, is there more than one road we're talking about or just 1500? It just says roads. Um I I I mean I had my own

wide open. Yeah. So have at it. This might be your only chance. I know that we kind of talked about having Cammy help with the 1500 idea, but and I know there may be some push back, but I'm willing to fight the fight for the Ellis's. Um, and I know it's hard because there's living Ellises that people may try to attribute that to, but I'm thinking his grandparents and maybe even their parents who were some of the very first settlers in Riverdale and that that's always been an orchard area that was really important to the community up there. And so I would fight the fight for like Ellis Orchard Parkway or Ellis Drive if we wanted to stay similar to like Parker Ritter or Cherry Drive, which are all named after people that most of us never knew but were people also. And so I'm willing to fight the fight for that one because I I just think that that was such an important area. And it was big for us to lose those orchards and it was slow and kind of a natural process because of what happened with the freeways and the growth up there. And um but it but it just was important enough that I think it's worth adding that to underneath the 1500 West sign.

And that's how we would do it is underneath the uh Oh, yeah. Just include both. They would still go by 1500 West for mail and yeah, other stuff, but and then we just have that visual that reminds people, I [snorts] hope, to about our history. Other comments? Well, I was just going to say that I got a lot of fe uh push back when I was first elected back in 2004 about the name of that street, Cozy Dale. That was pretty much hated by everybody who lived up there.

Yeah. because Cozy Dale was um based on a bar up there and and they hated the fact that that it got called that that I didn't know. I mean, yeah, nobody nobody knew that's what it was, but they did and they So, I'm glad that we're not going to suggest that one. [laughter] Uh, Councelor Stevens.

Okay. I'm um having purchased Ham Ellis's book and listened to her presentations and whatnot. Um she I mean sitting in the council these last number of years we've all figured asked the question where did that name come from? and and somebody said, "Well, it was the name of a mobile home park." And and and then and she clarified that it was the name of the stop that the train took because when they were picking up fruit and transitioning it to, you know, of course they didn't have trucks and they didn't have transportation that the the small gauge railroad was the way that they they did it. And that was the name of one of the stops. And um and so when you put it in that perspective and not the the other more modern uses of it, it it kind of gives a different perspective. And I think that's kind of cool just as the name of the railroad, the track that went on to base was the is it Bamber?

Bamburg. Bamburger. And again, she enlightened this that you know where that name originated from, but it was a stop that it made the train made as it transition through picking up um the produce that was going to the canery or the markets or whatever. And some of those as historical names I I I like that if is where you know the backstory because when you [clears throat] don't know the backstory it's like

it's r. Yeah. Yeah. Or like you said, they hate it because it was associated with something not community oriented. But but it's, you know, um anyway, I it every every name you come up with is going to have some tiein somewhere whether there's living descendants or not. Um, I I like the historical uh significance of something um as a tiein, but it sometimes it gets hard to write it out. So, I mean, Ellis Orchard is that's a little lengthy as opposed to Ritter Drive. I mean, is there an abbreviation for

You're not really writing it because they're going to use 1500 West as the real one. But, no, that's a good point. But, you know, and seeing their their uh the UD do presentation where they had Cozy Dale on there to, you know, I'm going, okay, that's that's made it a little bit of a um it's it's in the in the long-term memory use. Anyway, I'm I I'm conflicted about names of people. I mean, I look in Ogden and I see the Caesar Chavez Boulevard and I see these types of things. you know, that gets dated real quick. Um, unless you have some historical perspective and I'll leave it at that.

Okay. Other comments. Um, are we are we talking the entire length of 1500 that we would do it or just from Riverdale Road to 4,400 South? Oh, that I was thinking just Riverdale Road to 4,400 South. I know they're I know that their farms crossed Riverdale Road before there was Riverdale Road, but I think that's all I was thinking was more that section. Yeah, that I would be more inclined to agree with that type

and uh I I am very much in favor of what you're proposing, councelor Hansen, of discussion. Um, I have fond memories of picket cherry in those orchards when I was 14 and 15 and I and and they were a huge part and uh I never forget uh Gary Boatright who was a longtime resident of Riverdale and um he would he would always say we were the city that forgot our history

and it it makes me sad as I drive through little towns like Salina and some of these places and they have these kind of main streets and we don't have anything like that. But uh so I love that. But then I then I think to councelor Stevens and I think about talking to my family. Well, let's take Ellis Orchard, you know, or I I mean I don't know if that ro I don't know, you know, I guess Ellis Orchard. I don't know. It's just kind of interesting to think about changing your um is that what we're going to call it? Like and I was mainly that is long. I was mainly thinking that picturing more of like the name sign that no one's going to use it on mailings. I mean, there's not going to be a ton of people who call it that

cuz they'll remember Cozy Dale or they'll just call it 1500, but more of like just that historical reminder and representation and it just adds a little context, right? Like cuz and I feel bad because I have listened to Cammy tell us about Parkers and the Ritters. Yeah. So, I should know but I don't remember their stories. But, and that's why like I'm okay with even just Ellis Drive to be honest. like thinking of I mean you remember Janet, you remember it's just such a long time family that it's it's way more than you know just those that are still here even though they're important too but so that was mainly that it adds that context of oh there must have you there must have been orchards here yeah at some point

and I do like that Diane whether it has something to say with the cherries you know or which we already have a cherry so right um yeah well um we we don't actually have action on this tonight

I I actually after thinking about that um you know I I don't want to not recognize the alyses but orchard drive would be a little bit easier to to handle there and eventually you know I I don't know if you've ever been in a place where you grew up and you go you start looking at Google Maps And all the roads have different names now that when you grew up they were all numbered and now they have names and you're, you know, as you zoom in um it's the name and then you get close and all of a sudden it turns into the number and you Oh, that's what that was.

Yeah. So, but it wouldn't be it wouldn't be put in as like an official name, right? It would just be more of a historic just locally monitor Stevens. Yeah. You know, you talk about remember picking cherries and that being orchards. I I grew up in Roy just just west of 1900. And um Joe Dawson

who who was had an orchard. I mean that was all orchards in to Roy and and you know I'm old enough to remember them cutting in building the freeway. I was young, but I I remember that because that was all orchards literally where even where the freeway is. And so like Norma Craig which is her was a sibling to Joe Dawson um which now Ember Herri owns that where you know and so there's some tie-ins that that even though it's kind of on that border and that was literally all orchard and so yeah you can say the Ellis's but there other names also and I like orchard as because it it signifies that that whole hill or that whole area even though it doesn't look like it now.

Yeah. Um was orchards because of the the way the soil was and once they got water in there it was perfect. Yeah. I think it rolls off a little easier. We're going to take Orchard, you know, we'll take Orchard over to Maverick or something. And and I I don't know if people will, but if they were to look up the history or why Oh, it was Orchards. So, the Ellis's owned it and um I Well, they were one of them. One of several owners and I love the Ellis's too. Like I I want that's the name of it Ellis Drive, but that's slippery slope too, you know. Um we start going down that. Um it is it's hard though. They were one of the last residents to hang in there at the end. They were they were and uh and they you know they probably probably helped facilitate the whole development up there to some degree and Right.

And uh I'm a big fan of memorializing our history and and keeping it down. I think that's good. As long as it doesn't delay the UD do project. [laughter] Maybe when they get their crane, they can use it to put in the streets then. Yeah. Jeez. Well, um All right. So, so we can bring back an an action item, I guess. Is that what we need or? Yeah. Yeah. An action like what do we do? Is it We'll bring it back as an action item. I did want to get Sean's input on this just because he always comes up with these weird little things that put hooks in these things and we have to beat around the bush. So, if we could have some time, we'll bring it back as a as an action item when we've got that all figured out. We should do three or four more real quick. Will he's not here, you know.

Yeah, let's do them more quickly though. [laughter] A few more rands out there. Yeah. Just pick like 4100. Just throw a random name on it like Riverdale or Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. Well, there's a church on it, a church drive, you know. There you go. All right. Very good. Uh we'll move on to item number four. Discussion about the work session format. Uh we have a whole gamut of things we could do. We could cancel the work session and just start at 6 uh each night each, you know, each night for the meeting. We could start a regular meeting at 5:30. I actually am not a huge fan of that, but uh that's just starting the regular meeting at 5:30.

Um it's it's a little tricky to get here sometimes by 5:30. So, um, we can we we've talked about, uh, streaming the work session, which, uh, would be kind of a minimum bar, I think. Uh, what are what are your thoughts on the work session? Do we have the option of just doing it as needed? I mean, I think most times there isn't, or is it something we want to schedule regularly? We'd probably want, if we're going to do it, we need to schedule that regularly because we usually post those agendas on a yearly schedule and so we'll mark what days just so the public has better knowledge of it. be kind of I don't know kind of throws us off a little bit. That's okay. I just was curious.

I mean, could you do it that way? Like, but with when we know we have like our like when you want to do the strategic planning and we can start earlier or do strategic planning earlier so we don't have to stay late at night and be sad. So, so do a strategic planning at 5:30. Is that what you're saying? I mean, we could really do that now in lie of a pre-planning meeting. And I was just thinking if you decide to get rid of it or only when we need it, you could a lot of times they'll put on the agenda like an agenda review right at the top just if you need to make a shift to the agenda officially or something if you want it to be formal formally

and ideally that's what we should be doing. That's what always makes me a little bit nervous when we get in that planning meeting is some sometimes we drift because we don't have an agenda like we do for the regular meeting kind of thing. So, um, [clears throat] really we should either do that exactly what you're saying or or not at all.

The reason it appeals to these guys to start it at 5:30 because it gets them out of here a half hour earlier. And I understand that. Uh, and if we cancel it, they're just going to be sitting with less to do for an hour. You know what I mean? Wait until 6. Um, I mean, I don't we're fine. I just I thought it was kind of the desire of the council was to maybe get in here quicker so we can get out earlier, but uh Rich is usually just reading his stuff at about 5:30, so we're fine. Right, [laughter] Rich? He was very well prepared tonight. He was he was he did a great job.

Other thoughts, councelor Stevens? You know, one of the things that it being on the the baitment committee or board member is I have gotten associations with contemporaries in other municipalities and a handful or more of people and and you know we we don't necessarily compare notes but I hear them talk about how they conduct business or how they conduct their and in one or two do a full hour. And I said, "What do you talk about for in pre-planning?" Yeah.

And they I'm just going, "That's Yeah, that's excessive." But I don't I I like this. I I like to the casual nature of it. Um, I'm I'm I'm not really I mean I I can see the the value of I mean like today we potentially had 20 minutes between the start, you know, but it got filled in really well because we talked about things that needed to be discussed. So, I'm I'm not real I mean, I could go without pre-planning. I mean, I I didn't like moving from upstairs down to here, but we you know, I made that transition. I don't like change very well.

But the the point is is is I don't really care, but I would prefer to keep it. Okay. Are we in agreement that we should stream it if we're going to keep it? Um I think we should stream it. I think so. I think so. Yeah. Might

as well. Um, I can't I think it kind of came up because I said something about it, but um what what we did with the agenda today is the type of thing that I would like to see every week. just read through the agenda and if there's a question you you you answer you know you ask the question but not have any real discussion about anything that's on it. I mean it's just it's just a clarification. What is what is this you know what does this mean as opposed to what are we going to discuss right I mean there's there's a difference I think in defining what the item is versus getting into a discussion about what the item is

and what you're going to do. Yeah. And so that's that's the type of thing that I that I would like to see better is that we just and and I don't think that it needs to be more than 15 minutes. Yeah, maybe we start at 5:45. I I would be fine with that cuz it's awkward for me when I can feel that we're going to have like 20 minutes. And while uh Councilman Steven says that, you know, we discussed things that needed to be discussed between the end of the planning and the beginning of our meeting. We probably didn't need to discuss any of that. Yeah. At that point, I mean, it it was nice to hear it, but it was not something that was needed.

We had time. We filled the time. Um and it was not in a meeting, right? Um, it was it was information that you passed to us, but that information could very easily have just been passed to us um in the meeting.

Whoa. And and I and I think that that there are probably times when some of that more how do you say uh frank discussion about what you were discussing there. um uh you probably are less likely to be as forthcoming with everything if you were actually in a meeting. Um but I I think that that being in a meeting is where that kind of stuff should be discussed. Yeah.

Okay. We were in a meeting because Yeah. Let's be clear. We were still in the meeting. like I hadn't hadn't endured yet. It was in my mayor's comments, but yeah. Okay. I don't want to think say we, you know, it was just the end of the like like there's mayor's like the comments in the work session like uh we hadn't kind of stopped the work session yet. Like I just did that as part of my comments. Um I don't we we were not like okay I that's not how that's not how I saw it. Okay. I I saw that we had gotten to the end of the Okay. end of the uh agenda. Yeah. that for this meeting and sure then you said you know and then we said well we have 20 more minutes

and you said well I have a few more things I'd like to tell you I thought that that was sure it's kind of semantics I don't different than the meeting and would those be in minutes or would it not yeah and that's fine if they're in the minutes like I mean I I never intended anything to not be in the minutes like but that's that's part of the reason we want to make sure that we're streaming Because I mean transparency is is very very paramount. Councelor Stevens, you were going to say something. Yes. Now hopefully

I may or may not agree with this, but I'm going to play devil's advocate for just a second. Okay. Um we have an agenda that we are to stick to and we don't deviate from. Okay. So do you have like today latitude to go off into some of these things during the meeting if it's not on the agenda

and think okay so again that's a devil's advocate type of of a scenario. So, which would be kind of appropriate in the pre-plan, but maybe where it's not on the agenda, does that make it suspect that we don't we don't go there because it's not on the agenda item? Okay, that's all.

Yeah. I mean, the way the law reads is that we are supposed to define that with reasonable specificity. You know, again, what does a mayor's report? what's reasonable specificity or the city administrator's report has it reasonably uh you know specific on that kind of stuff. So there's always a little bit of latitude and we have been a little bit more liberal in our planning meeting and deviating a little bit from that than we do our regular meeting and so that's kind of what I was referring to earlier is we don't have a specific agenda. I mean we do kind of follow that but if we're going to deviate that's generally when we do that. So I know he would probably prefer to just get rid of the comments altogether because that's a always make me nervous but

makes me super nervous. But you know what? In fairness, when when you say that some of these cities have hour-long work meetings, when you attend those, you see why. Because they're deviating all over the place, man. They're just crazy. They're kamicazi. And it's kind of scary as a city attorney to sit in that thing and think we're going to get nailed here.

Well, can I make a comment kind of along those lines? Mostly to put it out there. Not because I necessarily am saying that for sure we should do it, but I'm thinking about the strategic planning stuff. A lot of times we cram those into one meeting, but I wouldn't mind personally having more of a a schedule for the department heads to come to a 5:30 meeting just to kind of give us an update on their department and how it's going. kind of a more indepth [snorts] of what they're working on, what they've got planned, what they're looking towards the future at where we're still not making action item, but just to kind of like routinely kind of get more detail from and feedback from the department heads individually on, you know, what's going well, what's what's trouble, what do we need to watch out for the future, what are they maybe thinking about a CIP, even though maybe we're meeting in in November, but to have Rich come in or or the fire come in and say, "Hey, I know this is a ways away, but we've been having some issues with an ambulance. You may see that come up on the CIP." And then explaining like because we had that question, why do we want to switch the different kinds of ambulances where then they would have time to explain how are things going? What is the difference between these two different ambulances? Why would we want to spend that much extra money?

I don't know if that makes sense. It's more just to give them an opportunity to talk to us too and have that kind of back and forth more informational I guess even if it's just once a year and just for a few minutes so it's not all the department heads but they each get their own night to yeah and I don't have a problem with that and I mean we we sort of give them an opportunity during budget season when we cover those things and we got to remember also that the department heads fall more under the the mayor than they do the the council and we try to keep you updated But I don't have a problem doing it. I don't know what they would either if it wasn't a lot. You know, anyone else wanted that. But and we were looking to get you less work, not us more work over here. So, [laughter]

I'm going to do 5:45. I'm also equally because it is it is tricky for me to get here from Bigham City by 5:30. So, I'm open. Same with me. 5:45 helps me like and I'm fine with that. I think 15 minutes is fine. Time, you know, we're kind of like, well, we're done. Yeah. If we started on time and flew through that 15 minutes, we could usually wrap those. will probably help us stay on task as far as like cuz I'm I'm councelor Haw. I want to be like, hey, what are my options on this thing? Do can I make a motion? Can I table like what are the what are the options for this item? But not like this is how I'm going to vote or this is where my opinions lie and all that stuff like that's where we never want to go during that meeting or or having the staff get up and explain the entire thing.

Sure. Yeah. So so it doesn't happen. Yeah. Then when they get up they are either rehashing or they don't give as much because they have already given some and we just say well we just did it in the planning meeting kind of thing. We already know all that right why are you telling us the same thing again. So so if I'm getting a consensus where this is just a discussion item because we'll need to bring it back but I'm I'm leaning more towards maybe starting at 545 but continuing it. Yeah. I see a lot of NS up there. Not so streaming it. So okay. and stream it. Okay. At 545. Yeah. All right. So, you you'll have to have like a formal motion and stuff. I mean, I think we'd want to bring that in as a resolution if nothing else because it is kind of a change of our standard format. So, in the bylaws

that we have to do. Oh, so we will have to make an amendment there too. The actual start time is in the bylaws. Oh, that's right. And we published that too as well. Is it in the council rules too? I Yeah, I believe so. Yeah. Okay. That's what she's talking about. Sorry. Planning commission is by law. Everybody by consensus. Are we okay with that? Just kind of a consensus to bring that back. Okay. Cool. Okay. All right. We we won't be doing anything until the first of the year anyway. I mean, yeah, we've already published the this year's Yeah, we would make it effective then. So, we could bring it in before that, but we'll make it effective then. So, okay. Just not the second one in December because just in case we can cancel that one. [laughter] [clears throat] Um, wait, the second

Sorry, not the 2nd of December. Never mind. Yeah, the second. Yeah. Tuesday. Fourth. Well, third Tuesday. Okay. All right. We went through the upcoming events, so we're not going to rehash that. Um, we move move on to the comments section, uh, city council comments for this meeting. Anything comments from the city staff for this meeting? The only thing I'd say quickly is we did include with your packet this week was there was two financial reports in there. If there's something you want in addition to that or something different, make sure you let me or Cody know. We'll get you more. Plenty of reading material there at nights when you're trying to sleep, Mike. did appreciate that financial.

Yeah, we got the 2030 meeting coming up. It'd be great to get the end of the quarter on there. That's so that through September. That would be fantastic. I know it's only one more month, but it squares it up a little bit. Okay. Anything else from city staff? Uh no, that's all I had. Mayor,

I had one other thing I forgot to mention. Uh Miss Margon was going to start trying to put together a date for uh a council Christmas dinner. Um, so hopefully she'll be sending out like a poll or you're going to send something out to see when we can maybe go do that. Uh, I know it I don't know it might seem weird some of you or something, but it's something I really enjoy going out to just a social activity with you and uh and uh sitting around and kind of talking. I think it's kind of fun. So I'm hopefully you'll be able to make that and and uh I don't know where we're going to go. We don't I don't know where we're going to go. Somewhere in Riverdale, [clears throat] but uh we want to have a little bit of privacy and hopefully we have a good time. So watch watch your email for that. Uh with that uh we would need a motion to adjurnn. So moved. Motion. Do we have a second?

Second. All in favor say yes. Yes. We're journalist.

Yeah. There you go.