Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

and was here. Um, if there's anybody who would like to approve those minutes, I'll make a motion to approve the minutes for January 27th, 2026. I'll second the motion. Do I have to have everybody agree on this? Yeah. Okay. Um, all those who agree on that, please say yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. New business. Today we are going to discuss the discussion of the mixeduse development code. how we are going to go forward and Jeff is going to take the lead on this. I am taking center seat. I'm going to move over so that the lights can pick me up cuz I don't know how good Jesse's hearing software is. Oh, we don't need to get over that much. Well, you could. Yeah.

Oh, well, I didn't know if somebody was s going to be sitting there. They just have to endure my voice. Okay, Tiff, would you mind pulling up the code? Of [laughter] course,

I make these decisions with a lot of forethought. Um, honestly, I just wanted to get good feedback from the planning commission or those that are in attendance tonight on what the commission feel is the best path forward. um knowing that we are going to have some breaks in between all of this and and so I want you guys to have time to review the document or review the the code as we change it um and make updates. I don't want to have uh the commission feel like there's pressure that we need to adopt this quickly just because as you found out last meeting I'm resigning and so you are

um do you have like a date for that? Not yet. Um we've been working through um Greg continues [cough] to put in these [laughter] great continues to put in these roadblocks that makes it more and more difficult. So, um, no, we're, uh, we don't, we've been, um, our city manager is out of the country right now, so we've been waiting for her to get back and get some interview scheduled to get some clarification. Did we got a city manager, a new one? Yeah. Uh, yeah. Sorry, what? Did we get a permanent? Yeah. So, Lindsay Nessen, who was our assistant city manager, uh, with Bill, has been uh, promoted to being this full-time city manager.

Okay. And in proper due fashion, she booked a vacation to Bise as soon as she got the No, I'm just kidding. [laughter] She's like, I'm done with this. Um, so anyway, I just I wanted to have a discussion. I mean, we can go through some of the code, but I don't want to get too into the weeds. I also don't want to get more into the weeds than the planning commission feels like they want to as well, cuz as an engineer and now a planner, I love the weeds. I live through for the weeds. So, I don't want to overburden the planning commission with information that they don't feel is pertinent to making a recommendation to the council. So, um I can't remember what exactly what the questions were. So, I'm just going to start off with one of how would the commission like to approach discussing this mixeduse development code? I would I would like to hear tonight just an overview of what you've what work you've done to this point. Um because I I I don't feel like we should throw any work out that's been done and start from scratch by any means. And I noticed in last meeting there was some I got sort of a feeling from our council member that they didn't want us to make any decisions until the new position was filled. But I think my own personal opinion is you've been a professional about preparing it to this point. We ought to take seriously the work that you've done and not throw it out. Um but I would like to know uh just a general overview of where you are to this point in it in the process. So, we by we I mean um Sam Taylor with Landmark Design, me and Bill um our previous city manager have worked on this since last spring. Um it is all

new. It is a complete change to three of our current um chunk well two chapters of our current code. Um, so everything, sorry. Um, [laughter] people in their ringers.

People in their ringers. Like goodness gracious. Um [laughter] Um, so all of it is is new. All of it is work that we've completed um with the intent of creating a vision for new development and for um redevelopment along our main street. Um and as it as Fremont continues to sprawl and grow any other kind of commercial or industrial areas uh that we may [clears throat] soon the main street corridor plan is integrated in this one. Correct.

And did u did you create this out of whole cloth or did you adopt it from some other municipalities initially their code and go through and adopt it? Um, so great question. So I'm gonna take two steps back and then answer it. So, uh, in or throughout the state there are organizations called associations of governments. Uh, the one for Tmont is known as the Bear River Association of Governments. They're headquartered over in Logan and they're responsible for Box Elder Cash and Rich counties. Um the largest association of government is known as the Wasatch Front Regional Council which takes up um all of your urban counties from Weber to Utah. I also think it takes in Summit and Wasatch as well. Um this is taken from a template that they created and offered it to anyone within the state of Utah to use. So ex um except for the fact that we stole some of the framework, all of this is new uh is something that we've taken our best professional judgment on. Um but except for the the template, it is all from scratch.

And as far as incorporating what we already had in place, anything been done yet?

No. So the the intent of this is that this code would would replace chapters I'm going to get these wrong. Um, so I'm just going to name them by what they are. But we have one chapter, I think it's 1.07, that is the commercial industrial zone. This would holistically replace it along with our mixeduse zone and the map that I is um a couple pages down if you don't mind TIFF. Um, let's see here. So this is the these are the areas of town in which this new code would have governance. Um, and we created these districts so that as we sprawl or as we take on large master plan communities, the planning commission uh could kind of pick which of the districts it may want to apply to either a commercial corridor or a commercial center to to have that continuity between the standards we have on our main street um and around our commercial areas now and into the future. So, um,

does this have any cogents to the neighborhood council layout? I mean, a little bit. I mean, it's it's definitely code we would like to put through the neighborhood um initiative, but it is just gotten to the point where we are letting the public see it uh because of a number of things that uh postponed its its progress. That was well put. So, Thank you. Um, so it will be a code that I would like the public to and and a lot of ICE to give us feedback on because um it's a whole new creature.

So it doesn't sound like it's available to the public on our website yet? No, it is [snorts] not. And have you shared it with us yet? In I have due to its size, file size, I've only been able to share it through one drive links. Um, so I can share it again. Um, or I can create some printed copies for anyone that would like to, but it's a big enough file. Uh, you just can't send it as an attachment. He sent it on, let's see, what day? It seemed like you sent it, but I 9th. He sent it on the 9th. The 9th. Yeah, it's a PDF file. That's

It was a PDF file then. Yeah. So, if we were to try to go to a place that mirrors this the best to try and get a feel for your vision, where might that be?

Great question. Um, I would say off the top of my head, a very close resemblance would be Main Street and Bountiful. Um, a lot of this form-based code has been created for redevelopment areas and so I don't know many municipalities that have tried to have this cover industrial code. So I don't know where if you would at all find an example of where there's a formbbased code over industrial development. Okay. But we are trying to incorporate

so it looks better.

Yeah. the the point of of form-based code is is not just the building aesthetic, but also how buildings are uh constructed on their sites, how they interact with their street fronts. Um and and I think because um industrial is normally they're well established or just in parts where you don't feel you're going to have um you know connectivity whether there's a large large amount of roadway in between. I mean thinking down through the Wasach front a lot of the industrial stuff is on one side of I-15 where all the commercial is on the other. So the need to have continuity or connectivity between them is is relatively uh sporadic. So, but with ours where we've got industrial right up against our current commercial and residential, um, we wanted to take a serious a serious approach of how to blend and and make it not be [clears throat] such an apparently different uh or contrasting uses of of land. You know, if you've got, say, a reszone application that's coming for a highdensity residential next to an industrial park, what could a formbbased code do to help give guidelines to help protect both properties from being negatively impacted by the obviously contrasting uses. And with that, that helps by doing this, that helps us to not spread out too much and have an industrial and a residential, right? That keeps us more compact. It keeps land

from being used outside of Tmont or outside of our city limits, right? So rather than like I-15 being or commercial on one side and industrial on the other and having spread out a ton and using all that land, this would help us to keep it more compact. Um while still making it work for both.

Yes. In a sense, the the best way it prepares for that is that there are already guidelines and protocols in here for buildings much taller than we have in Tmont. um and how they would have to look and feel the architectural breaks and reliefs between um changes in use. Uh there another good instance if you want to see one is looking at some of the revitalization Provo City has done through Center Street um and through parts north of Center Street. I would emphasize um south of Center Street, if you're very familiar with Provo, is two very large MLM headquarters, not regulated by a formbbased code. Um, so the the idea is that we would have protocols in place so that if that development somehow came to Tremont, we have guidelines that are better suited to help um tie those buildings into the architecture and the the feel that our downtown is today. Makes

sense. One [clears throat] of the things that has been concerning me is that in our last meeting with the density that we were that the developer was asking for versus the person who had the horse property next to them. Like it almost feels like if we could preemptively make it so he never wanted to buy that property thinking that he could get to that point that it would be really helpful for our expectations for what like I I love the idea that people buy land to do something with it but I don't want them to have false expectations about what um their options are around here. So well obvious obviously that in the past that has been the case

right [laughter] and yeah so like that's I guess that's for me what I think like and and even when you consider Garland and the and the pie dump location right next to a slaughter house. Yes, it's been like that for forever. I get it. But that's like for me this whole thing is keep that in mind. like let's not let's not have land feel useless to somebody because it's next to something else, right? Um we are also uh and by we I mean Sam and I but um we also have changes to our residential code that will help uh better prepare the planning commission and also better prepare the staff to more creatively navigate that conundrum that we have in that because I think it's one of very many coming uh with the infill development that you'll see as the city continues to sprawl out, you just create more and more pockets of infill development and where they can be um also as um parts of our our historic downtown get uh redeveloped too. So because this code covers commercial and res and industrial, it wouldn't do it wouldn't cover last planning commission's meeting. Um, but after we were working through this code, we made some uh changes to the industrial or to the residential one that um at least I believe that they'll help arm you guys with with more tools to to be the land use authority. So, you'll see those soon.

So, going back to your question, let me pull up my email so I have it. I don't know where it is. How would we like to approach discussing the mis mix misuse code and if we would like to like wait until somebody else comes in or [laughter] or like keep moving forward? Like is that what you're asking? Well, it's I mean we could go on a chapter by chapter. Um, what I was thinking

we could go from um we could just go through and try to I could I mean I could try to to go from like a 30,000 foot view and slowly bring it in and it's so detail oriented I my concern with uh doing chapters by chapters is is does it overwhelm the commission with too much information to keep the vision intact. So my thought is that you can give us like you can say okay this we're going to focus on this chapter this this week or in the next two weeks whatever we decide and that you give us some you know watch out for this like cliff's notes on this stuff is the stuff that is going to be hairy in this community and this is what we specifically need to think about. Um because for me I I would like to have the heads up at least a few days before to try and either look at somewhere that either demonstrates this or de doesn't demonstrate it in a way that seems very tangible to me. Um because I don't feel like I necessarily make great decisions just with words but more with um with watching something. Um, so if we break it up that way and you could give us some heads up on what's already not working or working around here, um, that would be great. And if there was, like I like we've already talked about with the the Bountiful or the Provo, um, you know, say this isn't working here, but this city is. And even if we can't go somewhere, we've got Google.

Yeah, you got Google Earth World. Yeah. Yeah. You can pull it up and we could walk around there on Google if we needed to. But it seems like chapter by chapter you might not be here anymore. No, but Sam will. [laughter] I'm stuck.

Sam Sam ended up helping write most of this. Um, my job was more in writing this was to do reviews to um help clarify details as I went through um and reading it to help clarify that the standards were um understandable because if there if if either of us write something and it isn't uh the results confusing then it needs to be redone. And so that was a lot of of how this um took place was Sam and his team would put something together and I would take probably a solid like I ended up doing most of this over the weekend just so I could have enough of a concentrated time to focus on the code and see how it would piece it together. So um so so I do like the chapter by chapter approach. we probably will skip around through chapters and not do them numerically um just to help break through um but I'll kind of give an outline and and let everyone see. I will want to make sure though that everyone has access to it um so that you can go through and read. But uh so preference chapter by chapter providing examples of good and bad areas um to uh to pretty much Google Earth tourism.

Yeah. Do we just pay Sam hour by hour? Is that how um some of his stuff is fixed fee, some of it is hour by hour. Um, this one has been more of an hour by hour because we didn't know the amount of iterations or what honestly the proper process was going to be to um to move this through. Um, where like with some of the master plans and other items we've had landmark work on, it's just been a fixed fee. So, but it seems like it's probably been pretty costly to the city to do this.

Yeah. um it has been. So, but I honestly think this will help um create the standards to do any of the revitalization the council's been looking at with the the RDA funds that should be coming in the next um 3 to four years. So, and it's giving people what they want, right? People have asked for a code that is set in stone that that's the plan. Mhm. Is there anybody around that has already voiced opposition to certain parts of these codes? No, because you're honestly the first group that has really seen it and had access enough to review it.

Okay. Um but I am hoping through the neighborhood program we'll have a chance to let the public look through it. Um, I I have personal concerns about if you let too many copies of the same document out. Um, you know, it's like the planning commission makes his changes. Well, the old one's out. So, how does how does the community know what the current version is to be? Amen. I'm doing that with work right now. It's the worst. So, um perhaps the uh it could be a highle summary [clears throat] presented to the neighborhood councils.

Yeah. Um of the J of the main points rather than the the specific document and then maybe keep the document at least here until it becomes a little more solidified. Yeah. because the neighborhood councils I think will be important to uh give their input and some do we have a a way that that feedback will come from the neighborhoods back to us? Um probably through their the programs chairman and vice chairman [laughter] I don't know if she was she made it tonight Christine um and how she chooses to present it. So

you feel comfortable with the idea of a highle summary going [clears throat] out to the neighborhoods and is that enough? Do you think a staff report like a high level summary is perfectly acceptable? Yeah. But also if if you're here I would like to have like a copy though for me to review because I kind of like to recode and so I wouldn't mind doing that and but as far as giving to the public that would be great and I was actually going to talk because I didn't get on the agenda. I was going to talk after three minutes but I had the comments and record. Yes, that's what I was going to do. Yeah, I was going to say five. Yeah. Okay. Um,

so feasibly in your mind, what would you imagine like how many meetings would you imagine this would take if you were us? If we did our homework in advance, if we did our homework in advance and we had say an hour of meeting every time, how like do you think this should be a topic that becomes very debated or do you think that this is

um my guess is that it would take seven to eight meetings. Um because my I want the commission to feel very comfortable and and very understanding in what they're recommending to the council. Um so I don't want to short change the commission and having times. Um I also think that we'll probably end up doing this about once a month. So we'll have one um meeting per month where we'll take care of some business items and some lower hanging fruit. And then we'll probably have one of these where we just continue to go on a chapter by chapter basis to go through. Um, and that way that'll give me a really good outline to pass on to Sam or whoever replaces me um in kind of what the progress is and what the time flow is for the earliest recommendation of the council. And if at some point you guys say, "Hey, I think we can speed this up when we're getting it." Great. But I I uh my very first experience on the planning commission uh was uh adopting the integrated land use plan and I had come late to it so I'm not faulting it but it was a little intimidating to adopt I think it's over 100 pages as well Christine how many pages is the land

113.2 to roughly plus or minus. So, it was one of those like I tried my best to to get it up, but like to comprehend 113 pages of even planning was like sure, everyone else feels comfortable. So, with that being said though, when you came in as the new city city planner, was it helpful to have that ready when you got here? Um, or was it better for you to approach that and feel like you were learning and leaning into it and developing that with your position? Because I I would hate to like have somebody come in and then be like, "Oh, I have you have to decide on all this code and you have to decide on all this stuff."

Yeah. that you have no idea what you're doing and you like does that make sense? Um I mean the having the integrated land use plan um helped with some of the overall vision setting some of the changes um some of the adoption creation of like the PUD chapter um but a little bit like the pirate code the integrated land use plan is more of guidelines and doesn't help on implementing day-to-day decisions and so Um that a parlay parlay [laughter] just making sure

um so my hope is that [snorts] and I've been trying to do this in in my time is is I've started preparing documents for my replacement to reference um that'll help explain I killed you with the parlay um that'll help uh hopefully pick up and give them some things to read through and study that aren't just the actual code themselves but will give context to uh what ongoing tasks um are at and and what their end goal is and and and help them keep up. But um unless they have some experiences planning, I think it'll be difficult to have someone start the job and then say like, "Oh, no, we're going to adjust course." Um because I it's it's it's easier to kind of go for the flow as you get your feet on the ground and then say, "Okay, like if we need to change something, we can always go back through and change it." Um which is really the spirit of zoning code in itself because we've already put a public notice out to change the PUD code [laughter] for next meeting, which we'll I'll share with you guys um tomorrow and those changes. But also Sam's going to help the new person

help so much as he did with me. So um and that's why I've been having um Greg here attend these meetings because he'll also be a great in-house bridge between me and whoever sits here next over there. Did they post the job?

Yeah. Um and uh we've just been waiting for the city manager to return to start scheduling interviews. Apparently, the mayor has been looking through applications and feels like uh I talked to him today and he feels like they've got some really good applicants. And I would hate to see someone come in and without some expectation that we have we've made a big capital commitment to get to this point and then come on board and immediately want to change course. So hopefully that will be part of the consideration when they interview [clears throat] people is you know what's your ambition moving forward. So um

so with that it really it's it's okay if it takes us six months to get through this and to not recommend anything for six months. Okay. Um there will be just so you know the the main um the main area of the United States too where we took a lot more examples because it is built out more is the Midwest. Um cities around the Great Lakes uh down along the Mississippi River. Uh those are towns that have continued to build out and continued to follow some architectural standards. um that match what our current Main Street also mimics um or emulates. So um I will do my best, but also as you're going through if you guys want to send examples to me and say, "Hey, how does this one look or would this fit?" Like I'm also happy to go through and and see, you know, based on my interpretation of the code where buildings um you know, succeed and fail in that expectation. So, um, so yeah. Anyway, just side note, um, so we've kind of established, it'll probably be about six months or so with one meeting per month established to this. Um, we want examples of of kind of chapters of where things work well and where things don't. Um I will try to communicate or um Sam I will pass this on to Sam. Um is we find error as we find examples of of whether they're street types, whether they're small urban parks. um make sure that whatever chapter we're trying to highlight and what we're showing you is because we think that

specific thing quirks and don't take everything in the photo is pure context of what we're trying to send as an example either. So it's a good concept. [laughter] Yeah. So like if we send a street thing and and somehow it's it's [clears throat] you know in the suburbs of Chicago like and there's you know eight story buildings around like we're focusing on that object and not necessarily the entirety of the context it's built through. So because you're we won't find a onetoone oh for sure not no of what we're looking for. So, Andrea, what were the other questions I put in the email?

Um, how does the new code help achieve the goal set in the integrated land use plan?

Yes. So, in chapter one of the integrated land use plan, there is I think it's 1 section 1.7. Um there is a table of goals and uh that I feel this land use uh or this this new piece of of zoning code and regulations helps create. Um but I want you guys to go read those goals and see how they answer because to me if they fit those goals whether I'm here or not then the planning commission is doing its job of executing the land use plan as it currently stands. And I don't think those goals change as we go through the land use plan updates the this coming year either. So okay. Um are we ready to move on to public hearings and comments

any motion to agree? Oh, just plan just for I mean if there's any other questions at the time then feel free or if not you're welcome to email any of us. Um and we'll just start kind of keeping a running tab of of where we're at and what's going on.

Okay, it is time to open the floor up to public hearings and public comments. If there's anyone who would like to come up, you have three minutes. Hey, my name is Christine Epine and I'm here because I didn't get on the agenda in time. So, um I do want I'm I'm representing the neighborhood partnership initiative and I wanted to just address the planning commission and let you know it's going really well. We've had 10 to 30 people at every meeting. We've met with every single district. We have assigned each of you guys to a district, but I don't know if I've gotten that information out to you yet because I've been kind of busy. I do plan to get on in your section where there's um in your agenda somewhere where I give like a 10-minute report on what's going on with the planning commission and and or with the NPI and some of the feedback. Uh as far as the formbbased code goes, personally, I am excited to present it to the citizens and I'm grateful we're taking the time to go over and get that information out to the citizens because just posting a public hearing is not necessarily educating the citizens. So, I really appreciate taking the time to do that. something we've educated them on that has gone really well is puds. I've really enjoyed having discussions. We had an hourlong discussion with with the West District about PUDS. And so when they come up in a in when they come to you, hopefully they'll be more educated and be able to participate in meaningful conversations with you guys. There are a few zoning or PUD applications that are coming up in the south district on Iowa String and in there's just a few things that are coming um but they're not on the agenda. I think the on the agenda is for a in the central district. So the central district has a zoning change coming up on your and I will try to get information and heads up so that someone from the central district can come and represent the findings that they had here for you guys to have and and then you then hopefully the public will come and you'll be able to see and I am just trying to get them the information and

that's it. and then hopefully you guys will be able to have um better discourse with the public. If there's anything you need me to do, please reach out and talk to me. I'm really really want to help and um I think that the moving forward with the formbbased code with the with this process and taking time is going to help the city. I'm really excited about that. I enjoy reading code. I've loved I there's a lot of things about the PU codes that I really really think I've Jeff's done a great job on and I've really appreciated being able to go over that and get that done. So that's all. Thanks for all you a question for you. Sure. I can answer questions. Good. Has [clears throat] the neighborhood councils filled out? Have you got good participation?

We do all except for the east district which is um kind of more the it's really rural um homegrren area there. That's we just don't have leadership from them yet. And honestly, it's because we've got so much going on in the other districts and they're kind of really represented on the city council anyway um that we have but we have like we have people going out and um gathering there. I've had no less than 10 people at a meeting and we've got positions filled for each district. So, it's been really fun. It's been really fun to to get that together and and people are excited to hear. Uh code is a great thing for me to bring up into these these meetings with them so that they kind of know how it protects us as a city because that's kind of what code is supposed to do. So, okay, stay for a second. Okay. So, Christine sent me some um audio notes that she wanted to see if they were a good way for our us to digest the potential um meeting highlights. Um I just wanted to make sure that that might be a decent way. I mean, we've all got a lot of stuff to read and especially if we're going to be reading this code. Um, are audio notes for what?

Yes, please. That boring. Yes, audio is best for Is that good? Cuz I do have audio notes. I just need to get your information and then I can read you. I literally have Alexa read things to me because I can't sit and like read something, but I can have I can listen to it all. It's like a 15inute. I sent it to Karen. I was like, is this a good way to give the planning commission? So then while you're just put them in your headphones and you can listen to me just recap what happened at all the meetings. Yeah. Okay. Maybe I'll send that. Did every anybody have a problem with that? Okay. Okay. Then I might go ahead and send you the ones that I already made of the the last four meetings. Then I do have a question about you mentioned someone mentioned that we are each assigned to a neighborhood.

We will. Yes. And I have Well, let me just tell you. Yes, we have an east east district, central district, west district, and south district. And I have them. I can't remember. I don't I don't have my laptop but I think you are west um district I think since uh Spackman I think central no not Spackman Stinkley I think I think I'll have to get I'll let you know but is the expectation that we would attend that meeting or just

you're welcome to always attend just to see what's going on but there they we just wanted you to be the contact person if they need to if they need to talk to the planning commission and then I'll get you the the chair they don't want to be called chairs the why we have three people because they'll be on the executive committee so they're this the directors so we have three directors in each district and I will get you their information usually one of them takes point but nobody wants to be called the president and so they're just there they're there are three three um directors and I'll get you all of their information and their contact information so that you guys if you need to if you if you need their contact information I can get that to you okay and is it correct to call them a neighborhood council, what are you calling them? Okay.

Yeah, that's great. Awesome. I'm really grateful for this. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Any other p public comments today? Okay. Okay. Any comments and reports from council? Yeah. I talked with Russ Thornley here the other day and the developer that's developing on in the backside of his property. They've come together and they're going to work together and so it looks like that'll that's awesome come through. So it'll be hopefully next by maybe next time or they said they come to a mutual agreement in the doorway of all places. So yeah, I think I we watched them do it.

Yeah, they were out there a long time. Rainbows and butterflies. Yeah. So, but you know, I think it's so it's an illustration of that whole thing could have maybe been avoided at some point and I hope in the future it can be because that was I mean they were both willing to work together but it was still a bit of a point of a contention in their neighborhood relationship to get it done. Well, I think he thought he didn't need he didn't need to come to an agreement, you know. So I think us telling him you do actually probably need to come to agreement, he's like okay now I will you know

so you make a very valid point there and and going back to what we're talking about like Jeff and I talk about this is a focus and this is something that the city has been lacking and so that night that's literally what you've seen you seen focus take place on both ends of that to the point that you know like you're discussing up there that yeah they both realize that it's their best interest to come together on that. Had he the original plan and some of the concept to that was for the road to cut through obviously to you know for that and so the backs and forths to that were were just that brought up to both of them that night. I mean when I talked with them they said oh yeah they came to a really good agreement in our doorway that they otherwise wouldn't have been able to come to had they not been together. The part the point in the evening that was kind of sad for me was the fact they said if I had known this I wouldn't have put my house there.

Yeah. Right. Yeah, you know, and that's a that's a big decision that which and that's what I say with with what Jeff and them what we've been working on with some of this stuff creates the focus for a citywide, you know, I mean, there was focus there for what had initially been planned, but then we stepped out of that focus to allow different things to happen, but nobody had explained to him what the initial concept of that focus was going to be or yeah, he wouldn't have put the house there that way. Mhm. And then he had a different idea in his mind for the house to be there and other things to take place in that other area that obviously didn't come to fruition.

There was one disconnect in my mind was when the when he decided to build there and came to the city to get the plot plat approved or whatever for his home. Maybe if somehow that could have happened then and someone said, "Well, you know,

and that's why I bring that up because, you know, that focus for what where we're going with the design and the infrastructure, the, you know, all that is parts of this. We didn't have that then. We had the concept of the road's going to go this way and here's the subdivision. That's all we had." And then that changed hands as different things happened with what was taking place. Well, probably couldn't have been prevented maybe, but it'd be nice if we try to avoid that in the future. We didn't have as much information then that drove some of these developments like we have now. And so, yeah, because we move forward with this, it's just going to do great things for for the city all the way around.

I have a comment that I'm annoyed that none of you none of you texted or emailed me to let me know that Jeff was resigning. Oh, I was home with the Seventh Club last meeting and nobody told me. I don't have the minutes yet. Just saying. I waited two weeks for that. Surprise. Seriously. [laughter] Be honest. I didn't know that Jeff really wanted everybody to know. We just knew. [laughter] So, okay. Um I um I was gonna make a comment too that I don't know who sent it. Maybe Christie sent it. Um, however, she sent us some planning um I don't know if a software or class or whatever called your land your plan. Have you guys looked at that?

I went out and uh joined the conversation and began looking at it. Yeah, I found it really helpful. So, for those pe I haven't gotten through very far, but I think it's going to be some helpful background information. So, if you haven't started on it, it might be information that would be helpful. That's all the plug I'm going to say about that. Okay. Anything else on comments or are we all good? Good. Okay. Um would anybody like to motion that we adjurnn? I'll make a motion to adjurnn. I will second that. And everyone who agrees, please say yes. Yes. Anybody who agrees, say no. Stuff in