City Commission - workshop

GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYONE. TODAY IS TUESDAY. WOW, YES. DID I SCARE YOU? TODAY IS TUESDAY, JUNE 9, 2026. THE TIME IS APPROXIMATELY 4 PM. WE WILL NOW CALL TO ORDER THIS WORKSHOP OF THE SOUTH MIAMI CITY COMMISSION TO DISCUSS OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM FOR THE COMING FISCAL YEAR. MR. MANAGER, DO YOU WANT TO START US OFF OR SHOULD WE START WITH REMARKS FROM MR. RIVERA WITH THE BUDGET AND FINANCE COMMITTEE?

JUST TO BE MINDFUL OF HIS TIME, I KNOW WE MET WITH THE COMMITTEE AND PRESENTED TO THE COMMITTEE AND HE'S GOING TO SHARE SOME COMMENTS. I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF HE SHARES THEM. I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG WE'LL BE HERE AND HOW MUCH TIME HE MAY HAVE. AND WE PAY HIM AS A CHAIR HOURLY.

HE'S GOT ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD FROM WHAT I KNOW. WE NEED A ROLL CALL OR DO YOU NEED TO READ FOR THE RECORD WHO'S HERE? Okay. Madam Clerk, if you can call the roll, please.

Yes. Mayor Fernandez? Present. Vice Mayor Corey? Present. Commissioner Bonniche? Here. Commissioner Kaye? Here. And Commissioner Rodriguez? Here. Thank you.

Okay. I'm wondering if the feedback is from the main mic. Is your mic on? Should be. Mr. Rivera, good afternoon. It's good to see you.

You're recognized. And thank you for entertaining some comments from the Citizens Budget Committee. And thanks for all the guests, and really appreciate all the work the staff does to prepare for those meetings. So my purpose here today is to A, show presence, and B, to recognize that as part of the committee, we are invested in this process. and feel that our time that's spent here on the committee is worthwhile to you. So hopefully this year I'm going to get a little smarter how this process works. I'll go back to the committee, and we'll talk about it, and we'll be ready to make our recommendations. So thank you very much, and I appreciate everything you guys do.

Thank you. OK, Mr. Manager, I think if there's agreement from my colleagues, we can go down the list and start with the first block, go block by block, as we did last year. That makes sense? And why don't you summarize the highlights for us for traffic calming, either you, Mr. Moniz, and then we can take questions from any member of the commission, OK?

THANK YOU, MAYOR. BEFORE I HAND IT OVER TO ALEX, THAT'S THE FIRST CATEGORIES UNDER ALEX. OBVIOUSLY, AS A WORK IN PROGRESS, AS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, WE WENT BEFORE THE BUDGET AND FINANCE TO SHARE SOME INFORMATION, GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THEM. AFTER DELIBERATIONS TODAY, STAFF WILL HAVE A LOT MORE WORK TO DO TO CONTINUE TO MAKE CHANGES TO THIS, MAYBE SOME DELETIONS, ADDITIONS. THERE'S SOME FINANCING STRATEGIES POTENTIALLY. So just for purposes of the document itself There's been some tweaks to it and how it looks we've shared with you that under the source Column you see those that are highlighted in blue are outside money. That's which is in black as general fund money We've also provided a legend and the bottom of the second page which tracks back to the all the planning efforts that we've had parks master plan Safety action plan and so forth will be adding those throughout any project that tracks back to one of those initiatives And then and then we shared with you some information on Sources of funding that may be not necessarily yet reflected in the main document, but our forthcoming certain impact fees A result of development projects, so we share that with you those are those funds do not necessarily are captured yet, so in the CIP program So we'll go through a description, Mayor, as you mentioned, by categories. So we'll be bouncing around. The first three headings are under Alex. So Alex will take you through those. I'm certainly happy to answer questions that you may have.

All right. So we'll get started. The first section, by the way, that's Liz Loud and Echoey.

John, is the mic closed?

Testing, one, two, three, testing. Testing. Is that better? Maybe if it's further away you can hear? OK, cool. If you can't hear, let me know and I'll lean in. So the traffic calming section, which is the first section here, quite honestly, this one has been the one that's taken the longest to get through. So after that, it moves a little bit more quickly. The approach that we're taking here, and these are some of these categories you've seen before, many of these topics you've talked about, and obviously has been the priority of the city commission. We've all talked about traffic projects. So the approach here has been to do the look at traffic more globally than one-off projects. And we've started that already this year. You see projects one through seven. I'm going to walk you through those so you know what they are specifically. And then there's project eight. They actually relate to each other timing-wise and in terms of what's being looked at. And number eight has prompted us to move quickly on number one. So what we started this year in miscellaneous projects, and that's for this year, where you see the 100,000 going down to 74,000. And then the 26,000 there. So what we started this year was looking at traffic counts. And we got those traffic counts really quickly before school was out so we could have the data with us so that if we do get number eight, the reconnecting SOMI, at grade study, we have the data. We don't have to wait over the summer. I'll talk more about reconnecting SOMI when we get there. But we're looking at this globally. We've come up with dividing the city into four zones. The first zone, which is listed there as number two, line two. And again, I repeat, that's for this year. We've already started collecting the data that we need is that the traffic counts is the triangle south of US 1 bounded by Red Road all the way down to the canal to the Snapper Creek. That would be Zone 1. The reason we did that is because, as I mentioned, also it overlaps with the US-1 crossings. Going into next year, we reduce the miscellaneous transportation line from the typical 100,000 to 60,000, just because there's so many projects here, and they're probably all not going to hit. But having that 60,000 there, we think we'll still need for items to come up. But is the rest of the zone, so you see zones two through four, And like as is mentioned there this is a traffic management plan versus just these one-off projects and looking at everything globally So the areas that we would be looking at here are the area from Red Road to 62nd. Let me start. North of Miller would be one. It's easier to define. If you say everything north of Miller, and then south of Miller, Red Road to 62nd, and then what we're calling on line six there, Twin Lake to Mango Terrace, and that whole flow of traffic that happens there and the cut-throughs that are taking place. So the goal for next year, as soon as we can, is to begin those studies. so that we could move on looking at this globally since we know everything ties to one another. I want to stop there because I know this is one of the more significant issues, so I want to stop there for comments and see if there's anything, and then I'll talk a little bit more about some of the details that we're looking at within that.

Madam Commissioner, you're recognized.

I have two questions. One, when you're saying traffic count, you're saying with the machine that we already own?

No, sorry.

Remember, close your mic when you're speaking.

So the machine that we own, we use it, and it's great, and it's a great resource. We get a lot of calls and complaints, and we're able to address them with that, especially the speeding ones. It's usually a cut-through issue, not a speeding issue. But no, these are traffic counts that the county will accept that feed into the information that you need in order to get approval from the county. Everything that we do has to get approved in terms of traffic flow. companies that do traffic research, specific companies that do traffic research. So the way we're doing it is we're doing the counts first in some cases, and then the study will follow with the design part of that, and then the permitting. So that's all that money there is you see for study, count, study, design, permit.

Okay, and then the second part of that is why are we doing this? And I'm asking some of these questions. I may know the answer, but when we're talking about it, the universe doesn't know the answer. Yes, absolutely. So it's like we're doing all these traffic counts and traffic studies. Why are we doing them?

So on the zones, it's something that's new. It was really the issue of trying to deal with things in a more holistic way. Because what we may do on one street then impacts the side streets. So the zones were created because those traffic patterns have some synergy between them. So when the counts or studies are done. So we broke up into zones. So when we come back with recommendations, they're specific to that area and what may be needed. whatever traffic calming, stop sign, speed table, any of these recommendations that will be ultimately accepted have to be supported by counts and a study. And so the count is more of an engineering thing where they actually do the counts out in the field. That will then influence the study, which then gets admitted for any traffic modifications that would be recommended.

Before I recognize you for a follow-up, which I'm going to, just to build on that, Mr. Manager, correct to say that often we get requests to the county to do those residual analysis anyways. So if we're asking for an intervention on one street, they're going to want to know what the impact is on all the secondary streets.

It would satisfy the requirements of any modification that's needed. It's got to be supported with this sort of data.

But we didn't really have a plan by area necessarily it was sort of like this street and that street and so So essentially this is in response to all the residents who keep coming to us saying we've got speeding We've got cut through traffic. We've got all of this so that we tie this into how it counts for our residents and

Yes, like the manager said, every action has a reaction, so looking at it one by one was just not going to be effective.

Okay, in terms of order, I've got Commissioner Cahier, and I'll recognize Vice Mayor Corey after. Are you good, sir?

Mayor, I just wanted to follow up. The reason why is because, for example, on Zone 1, collectively, we've seen a lot more traffic going through that area, 77th, 78th, 80th Street, and so the idea of how do we start mitigating and protecting our neighbors when we have all this construction going on there And how do we figure out what money to allocate and try to figure out first we need to do the implemental plan and trying to get a really good plan and execution in place. So I think that's where it all started for my side specifically on zone one. I know Commissioner Rodriguez has been working on Twin Lakes area. So just collectively, this is just the right way of doing this.

Mr. Vice Mayor. Thank you. And obviously, I'm a fan of this. I was curious, though, because we did a similar traffic study maybe about four years ago or so. And I do recall that a lot of the focus ended up being in probably what will end up being one of the zones. ARE WE CONFIDENT THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET TRAFFIC MITIGATION IN THE OTHER ZONES? BECAUSE IT WAS PRETTY SPARSE IN THE REMAINING ZONES AFTER THAT STUDY WAS COMPLETED. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE TRAFFIC COUNTS HAVE CHANGED ALL THAT DRAMATICALLY. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT WE'LL EXECUTE THIS STUDY AND SOME OF THE OTHER ZONES WILL STILL NOT GET ATTENTION BASED ON THE COUNTS?

I'LL GET ATTENTION FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE ANALYSIS. WHAT RESULTS FROM THAT IS GOING TO BE DANGEROUS, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEN THE COUNTY IS GOING TO SAY IT DOESN'T RISE TO THE LEVEL. So but it'll provide the information to if there's a resident saying the street should have X it provides the information to say it was studied it doesn't mean the standard or you know the issue is not as big as Like it happens now sometimes we use that software take a look at average speeds And it's not what you know the claim may be so it'll be our response will be supported by something So it'll get attention whether it results in traffic calming remains to be seen as did mention THERE WERE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THAT PREVIOUS STUDY THAT RESULTED IN SOME OF THE CIRCLES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT.

JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT POINT, I WASN'T AWARE THAT WE DID A STUDY SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW. I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE NOT APPLES ON APPLES. WOULD THAT BE ACCURATE?

WE DID. IT WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY OF RECORD. THAT'S WHAT LED TO, IF YOU RECALL, WHEN WE FIRST GOT HERE, THERE WERE A SERIES OF CAPITAL PROJECTS. some circles along south of 80th Street, for example, that ended up being abandoned because the neighbors ultimately did not want the improvements. And we didn't get their consent. So there was a global study, as my recollection, and informed some of the capital interventions. I think to Commissioner Corey's point, notwithstanding our perception of the speed, it's in some cases not tripping the thresholds. That would allow us under our delegate authority to intervene. Commissioner Rodriguez.

So on this, I'm not going to lie, I was a little disappointed just to see that we've been working on 64th and Twin Lakes Drive for over a year now. I understand it's under Zone 3, but We have already the county knows about a county has approval. We've discussed it. Twin Lakes is the one that needs to get the final numbers. The numbers for 64th were worked or were approved. So or whatever it is that you guys do as far as making that study work. I thought we had discussed that we were going to keep that independent of zone three because we've been working on it so long, but it's nowhere allocated on this.

Yeah. So that was not in the prior CIP plan. That's why you don't see it here. But because it did start some time ago, what I asked staff was to take a look at the same way they looked at that one particular road. use the same thought process, because all that's going to happen is it's going to push people to the side roads, as I shared with you. So I told them to use the same approach to consider. And if the data does not support that there will be an intervention there, then we can respond to somebody that says, you put something here, you didn't put something there, versus let's put something, and then we're chasing the response afterwards. So it's not here because it wasn't in the prior CIP plan, but they're finalizing the two side streets. If it meets a standard, it does. If it doesn't, we'll have a response either way. Either there'll be an intervention that's recommended or it doesn't rise to the same level as that one street and there will be no implementation of any traffic calming. But we would have looked at it, studied it, and we have a logical response to residents in those streets. So it is being worked on.

Yeah.

IT'S NOT WAITING FOR THIS STUDY IS WHAT I'M SAYING. BECAUSE OF THE REASON THAT GOT STARTED SOME TIME AGO. IT GOT STARTED AFTER WE HAD ADOPTED THE CIP SO THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SEE IT LISTED.

OBVIOUSLY WE'VE HAD MANY TALKS ABOUT THIS. I'M JUST, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT AS ITS OWN INDIVIDUAL LINE ITEM FOR WHAT THE COST WOULD BE CONSIDERING THAT THE SPEED TABLES Have already been I mean there the county already said we can do the speed tables at least on 64th I imagine we'll do one on six on Twin Lakes as I said 65 has already a stop sign around about a speed hump and two-way stop They're they're covered so but we don't need a tone independent line item here for that that that's gonna get done from this year So they're they're finally and then it finalizing that once we know if the side streets are

COMMAND THE SAME LEVEL OF TREATMENT OR NOT, THEN WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN IT THIS YEAR.

OKAY. TO HIS QUESTION, JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, IT'S HAPPENING IN THE FY26 BUDGET? IT WOULD BE LINE ONE, FY26.

$74,000. ANY MONEY THAT WE NEED WOULD COME OUT OF THERE. We don't enumerate all of those projects because there's so many. We did this one because it was big, the triangle. We did it because it was bigger. But those we don't enumerate typically. Not that we can't, just we don't. We haven't.

OK, thank you. I didn't know it was allocated in 2016. Thank you.

Yes, ma'am, you're recognized.

I know that in the past, the reason a lot of these things didn't happen is because we would send a letter to every single resident, and they all had to write back saying that they wanted it. There was a discussion that was had a while ago that was about possibly changing that and saying that if you didn't want it, you had to write in, and we had to have a certain threshold for that. So did any of that happen or no?

Yeah, we did amend our process that was kind of dictated through the county process, but we had an ability to tweak it I don't remember exactly how it was tweaked, but but we did and you're right. We can wave.

Yeah, we can wave the report Yeah, but have a public hearing to do it is my recollection. I don't they see attorneys are here.

Yeah, okay We didn't have that in our process, but we had the ability to adopt that and so we made that change we haven't had to implement it because there's been no other in the works and

OK, let's move on to Safe Streets.

OK, we'll move on. As we're moving to Safe Streets, we go past number eight, which we have talked about before. This is the reconnecting SOBE. Yeah, great study. It's OK. They all interconnect, and these two actually interconnect a lot. So unfortunately, we're still in a waiting mode as of the last time I checked. I don't know if Alfredo has any more updates as of today. AT GRADE STUDY. NO UPDATES, STILL WAITING FOR AN AGREEMENT FROM THE U.S. DOT, WHICH IS WHY, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, WE WENT AHEAD AND CAPTURED THE DATA THAT WE WOULD NEED FOR THAT. SO THAT'S WAITING MODE AS NOTED THERE ON LINE 8. SAFE STREETS, YOU'RE FAMILIAR. YOU SAW THIS AT A RECENT COMMISSION MEETING AND YOU SAW IT BACK IN FEBRUARY AS WELL. WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE ON THE SAFE STREETS, IT'S LINES 9 THROUGH 17. On line 9 are the US 1 corridor projects. You see there that it says ID numbers 3, 4, 6, 9, 19, 20. Those are all individual locations that the safety action plan identified for safety issues. I'll give you just one quick example. If you look at ID number 3, three is it yeah id number three uh is the taco bell the the left turn at us 1 and 63rd avenue for example so that was identified you know as a location uh for within the overall that's why you see the bigger number there which gives us the ability to take on these projects as we begin to get the data back and move on the improvements that we can This, honestly, at this stage is very preliminary because we have to work with the county and DOT. We've already started those conversations with the county. I've mentioned it in previous meetings where We're looking at a right turn lane on 80th potentially going westbound to alleviate some of that traffic. That's not the only fix. Another fix there is the left turn. But that left turn, as soon as you do that, then you're dealing with the DOT. So that becomes a little bit more challenging. The right turn lane, we have more control. We've had that conversation. We've got indications from the county that we can start on that. That's one of the reasons for capturing the data. So all of these would have different solutions, but that line starts to address all of those US-1 projects identified by the Safety Action Plan, which coincidentally are also the ones we would be looking at in the SOMI, Reconnecting SOMI study. Just for context, over the last five years, 1,140 crashes on US-1, 15 severe, TWO FATAL, AND I BELIEVE THIS LEAVES OUT A RECENT FATAL ONE THAT WE HAD OVER HERE BY THE HOSPITAL, BECAUSE THE DATA STOPPED IN 25, SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THREE. AND OF THOSE, 31 WERE BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN ACCIDENTS, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S THE STREET THAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT, IT'S THE COUNTY, BUT WE'RE GOING TO PUSH, WE'RE GOING TO GET THE DATA, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO ADVOCATE. 31, BIKE PED.

ON THE RECORD WITH QUESTIONS. THE QUESTION WAS? HOW MANY BIKES? HOW MANY BIKES? NO PROBLEM.

Madam Commissioner recognized Thank you, I Just want to put a comment out there, which I was thinking about as I looked at all of this I know I've mentioned it in passing to our city manager While we're looking at everything that falls under CIP general fund anything that has to do with money coming out of our pocket I think we need to be extremely judicious in both our thought and our action because we don't know what is coming our way. And when you spend money not knowing what the dictates of the state are going to end up looking like for us, we start to slowly, you know, it's either the guy that puts the rope around his neck and ties it to a small tree, eventually it's going to choke him, or the guy who's opening the hole that he's going to bury himself in. So we have to, I think... These are great ideas, but I think we also need to kind of have a foot on the brake of once we understand what we're really looking at, what's going to be first, second, third, fourth, fifth on the chopping block as it relates to this stuff. Because these, for the most part, I don't want to say for the most part, a fair amount of these are wants, not needs. And so... And even if we think they're a need, are they really a need? Are they a safety need? What are they? Where do they fall? Because when you don't have money, I want a Louis Vuitton purse, but I can afford a Target purse.

I think we all understand that intuitively and expressly. But I would say that, just to be clear, there's really no money in the budget for this coming year for lines 11 through 17. And these are all out-year funded projects. So whether a referendum passes in November or whether it doesn't, right? All we're I mean nothing's gonna happen within the next two fiscal years the vast majority of these projects and Maybe if we're fortunate fiscal year 31 right some of these things begin to be implemented so

And just to follow up, I think most of these line items for Safe Streets also have allocations from USDOT, which is the funding source, which is, where's that funding source? It's not from?

It's zero, though. Correct. It has a local, the DOT one has, it's a USDOT grant, and then there's a local match on the line eight.

So we're getting federal dollars for this? We hope to.

For the study side, not for the implementation side, right? So we're still going to have to do the implementation side. So it'll help, definitely. And again, the mayor said it, Commissioner Bonnich, that's exactly why. We pushed it out to the out years. And again, honestly, this one's going to be more of an art of, OK, we identified a solution, and it's practical, and we can afford it. And also, they're priority-based, too, from severity to least severe is the way we've done it for logical reasons. But the reality is some might be too expensive, even though important, and one might be simple and affordable, and we do it. So I think that's some of the considerations that we're going to have to go through.

And when I say this, I don't just mean this little section. I mean the whole document.

Trust me, we are painfully aware.

And we have pursued, the manager was pointing, I forgot, we are applying for $4.6 million worth of grants to pursue funding for all of these projects.

We did that already. And if I could add, since we went down the rabbit hole, when we hear people talk about fraud and waste at the local level, I just challenge them to say where that exists here, right? And then beyond that, I'd say, you don't think we need the money? Well, here's a list of projects. I'd say most of these are not wants. I'd say most of these things are the things that people expect that their tax dollars should be paying for anyway. And the delta between what we can do today, even in an environment where nothing has changed, and what we should be doing is massive already and only going to get more massive over time because of whatever policy change are being ordained from Tallahassee. Commissioner Rodriguez, did you want to jump in on something?

Quick question. So I know we have some funds allocated here, fiscal year 31. But as I was talking with the manager yesterday, we don't really know what the implementations are, right? Because each one is going to be site specific. So one could be assigned, one could be traffic calming. So we don't really know. So you just, I guess, TO ALLOCATE FIGURES BASED ON WHAT YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO BE?

THE CONSULTANT PROVIDED THAT IN THE REPORT AND THE ADOPTED PLAN. FOR EXAMPLE, THE ONE THAT IS NUMBER 10, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE AND IS A LOCAL PROJECT, 69th STREET AND 59th PLACE, LINE 10. Some of the solutions there are an all-way stop, detectable warnings, raised intersection, pavement markings, crosswalk lighting, different solutions. So that one is a highly trafficked area. The reason we have it so high, 12 crashes, one severe, but also it's growing. Our whole area here is growing, and that's a significant crossing there, so that's why it's high. But yes, it's different solutions. We don't know exactly which one we're going to choose. CORRECT. I GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT OF AN ART, NOT A SCIENCE, ON DECIDING WHAT WE DO WHEN. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE DATA TO BACK IT UP AND DO THE SCIENCE PART OF IT. I CAN CONTINUE. YES.

JUST QUICKLY. I FORGOT. IF WE TALK ABOUT THIS HERE. WE NEED WITH ALL THESE SAFE STREETS, I KNOW IT'S A FEDERAL PROGRAM. DO WE NEED MIAMI-DADE TO APPROVE WHATEVER IMPLEMENTATION WE'RE GOING TO DO IN THESE?

On the local streets, we're going to, yes. Yeah, because there's stop signs, crosswalks, lighting all in the streets. Just like we're doing on the crosswalks, we're going to need approvals, yes. Some solutions we control. Limited, but we control some of the speed bumps and some of the other solutions we control. But they still review the plans.

Yeah, and they still have the opportunity to do them.

Yes.

If I may I mean we discussed a commission, but he brought it up some of these are in corridors that you know Not even our streets, so we will be talking to those stakeholders About hey, this is what the data has shown and and pushing some of the problem on them as well So that's that's forthcoming Okay are we good on items through item 17 then or any further questions or comments I

Again, there's no funding for the majority of those items in this coming year. Do we want to talk about 18, 19, or should we skip to 20, Mr. Manager? 20th is a crosswalk on 64th Street and 60th Avenue, construction of that.

Yeah, so what we're doing here also, just so you see the presentation slightly different than prior years, we're putting the design part on one line and the construction on another line. It helps us from the planning perspective and just knowing what funds go where. The first one you see was this was the effort that we actually started last year on putting crosswalks in front of City Hall here. Became a lot more complicated than anticipated just because of the alignment of where the sidewalks are, where the crossings are, where the handicap ramps are, where the utilities are. So ultimately, and then we have the Placervia project coming, right? So spending a lot of money doesn't make sense there. So we're moving forward with one crossing where you see there at the clock tower. So that's actually being worked on and handled by Patricia. It should be starting soon. The next lines 19 and 20 go together that is underway 64th Street That's the one by the family dollar We're almost done on the design side. It's gone back and forth a couple of times with the county because where we wanted it They said no we looked at the data and said it makes more sense where we want it because that's where people cross and And so we had to go back to them. And now we have to remove the other crosswalk in order to put the crosswalk where we want it. So that's happening. They've given us conditions. If we meet the conditions, we could go ahead and start putting it out for construction. So it's almost completely designed.

Just on that one before you move on, quick question. Is the cost of design $63,700 or is that $13,700 just left from the original $50,000? $63,700. Why is it so damn expensive?

It's been going on for a long time and different iterations and changes. Study, it includes the study, the design, and the permitting.

I mean, 63% of the improvement cost is design?

Yeah. We're not expending the total amount probably, but yes, it was expensive.

CLEARLY, I'M JUST... I'M SORRY, THAT'S BECAUSE OF DELAYS IN...

IT'S THE 13. SORRY, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING THERE IS THE... 13.7 PLUS 50,000.

NO, NO. JUST TO CLARIFY, SO THE 50 IS THE ADOPTED BUDGET. THE NEXT COLUMN OVER IS WHAT WE ANTICIPATE YEAR END. YEAH. SO WE THINK IT WILL BE 13.7. I DON'T KNOW. THAT DOESN'T REFLECT THAT WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE 50.

Okay, no, that's fine. That's what I wanted to confirm. I just wanted to make sure I was reading it wrong, which is great. It's only 13.7. Okay, so that's why when you said, when you reaffirmed my wrong reading, I got concerned.

I apologize. Excellent.

Yeah, yeah. That sounds like 63% of the $105,000 improvement is a lot of money. Okay, thank you for the clarification.

So the next one is Brewer Park, 100% designed. And that should be going out. Well, once this gets funded, then we can go out for construction. But that one has been designed. The county asked for the last change was to put illumination there. There's going to be three crossings at the intersections there. So that one will be ready to go once funding is decided.

It's not been bid, though, however, correct?

No, not for construction.

Right. Same thing for 62nd Avenue and 42nd Street. Also, fully designed and approved by the county, 100% plans. And we have cost estimates for both of those projects for next year for construction. So you see the construction lines there providing the estimates on those projects.

OK. Further questions on those items? Any? No? You do? So you're recognized.

We had conversations a couple weeks ago, maybe a month ago, in reference to another crosswalk on 80th Street and 58th Avenue, connecting two parks on the crosswalk there. Is there any way that we can add that to the budget with my colleagues? At least we could talk about it.

So the good news is that we included the data capturing in the triangle study. I didn't mention that, but we captured the data that we need for that. So at least we've done that part of it. So it would be whatever the solution to study and design the solutions, it would have to be a listed project. It's not listed right now. Or depending on the price, we would have to do it out of the miscellaneous. We'd have to get you an estimate so that we can come up with a plan for that.

I think we have direction then to procure an estimate so we decide whether we add it in.

With my colleague's consent, yeah. I would like to.

I have no problem understanding what it's going to cost us.

The next one is line 25, Palmer Park. That one we've changed on, because once we did a review of that intersection there, there was already a signal, and putting the lighted beacons was not going to work. That one's just been, quite honestly, hasn't been prioritized based on other projects. It is being looked at now, and we have a plan, and we're probably small enough that we'll probably do it as a design build and get the whole thing done in one shot, doing it two phases.

Where's that located?

This is the crossing in front of the middle school on 67th.

So it would be where the property of the Girl Scouts?

It's basically aligned with the fence that separates the sidewalk from the parking. So the crosswalk basically just goes right up to the fence, just a little bit south of the Girl Scout property.

So it sits south of the northern street for the school. The crosswalk right now terminates at a fence. It used to be open, so you could actually access the school. It'll walk back. So in talking to staff, we've got people crossing at points south of the Coastal Cup property and south of 67th to get into the school, not at the crosswalk as a result. Yeah.

So my point is I live there, and I don't know where the crosswalk is and Commissioner Bonita lives there She doesn't know so obviously there's an issue of knowing where so that's I Think it's more Commissioner that the kids don't go all the way up to that point to then make a left at that crosswalk They just cross the street earlier like a block or two blocks before right yeah, so the school I

The idea was to add lighted beacons to an already existing signal. Walk, don't walk. So those two things don't go. You can't do those together. So it would have to be one or the other. So that's why we're looking at the solution. And the location.

So the reason for my questioning and all that was, so instead of just replicating the crosswalk where it currently is, maybe moving it south to where everybody, which I would say kind of in front of that football statue, where the parking lot is, and moving the crosswalk somewhere there?

Yeah, there's a distance that they're required to be from each other, so we'd have to look at that too. That's why I said looking at the signal and the location. Okay. Yeah.

I think it's fair to say the location is there. If you're trying to get kids to access the school, it makes no sense. Not because it didn't make sense when it was built, but because they have created an obstruction to accessing the school from the western side of the crosswalk. So you go east to west, you're walking into a fence. It literally had one of those old chain link fence breaks. that had the middle pole. You had to kind of shimmy your way through. So you could walk in. Well, now they just fenced it. So you can't walk through the parking lot any longer.

And I can see the challenge, because now you're putting kids through a parking lot with cars coming in and backing out. It's not ideal, necessarily.

But they're now crossing the street without a crosswalk. So I don't know what's worse.

Yeah, but now it's the school board's liability to get them in the parking lot.

No, no. Let's all worry about our liability. Do things that are stupid.

Did I say that out loud? Oh, my god.

I know. I'm spending too much time on those days with you, honestly. OK, let's move on to 26.

26 would be an update of the decades-old master plan. So that's what that is there. Transportation master plan, I should say.

You're right. Yes, sir.

JUST WALK ME THROUGH AGAIN REAL QUICK, DIRECTOR. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MASTER PLAN AND ALL THE PLANS THAT WE HAVE FOR TRAVEL ECONOMY TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS?

SO THE MASTER PLAN WILL ACTUALLY RELY ON SOME OF THE WORK WE'VE DONE ALREADY, LIKE THE SAFETY ACTION PLAN, BECAUSE IT DOES CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, CRASH DATA ANALYSIS. BUT IT'S ALSO GOING TO LOOK AT OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW, BUS, BUS FREQUENCY, ROUTES, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T CONTROL THAT. A LOT OF THE DROP-OFF ISSUES FOR DELIVERIES, TRAFFIC FOR TRUCKS, also coming through the neighborhoods and coming through the commercial areas, like the issue behind the McDonald's there. So it's a little bit more global. It looks at land use and how your land use patterns have changed and what the impact of that is on forecasted impacts for traffic. So it's a lot more global than just safety. And all modes of mobility as well.

Yep.

Do we want to move on to the next section, which is roadway and drainage improvements?

We've got questions, which I don't see any. So let's move on to roadway and drainage. Sorry. OK.

THE FIRST LINE THERE, LINE 27, THAT'S TYPICALLY BEEN FUNDED AT THE 30,000 LEVEL, AT LEAST FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS. I KNOW THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED AND Y'ALL HAVE DISCUSSED WITH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT.

LET'S SEE IF I CAN SAVE US SOME TIME. YEP. AND JUST ASK MY COLLEAGUES, ARE THERE ANY LINE ITEMS WE WANT TO QUICKLY DISCUSS? either in the current year that are encumbered and just want a status update, or if you want to go through any of the new allocations. So that would be lines, for new allocations, lines 27, 31, 33, 34, and then 40. I would like an update, actually, on 33 and 34.

The thing is, 65 and 63. Yes.

Yes. So that one is now at 100% design. And that one had two lifetimes, right? It was reviewed. It was started last year. Then they missed the rainy season. They wanted to wait for the rainy season to start again. That was before I got here. So they waited for the rainy season to start again. They realized that the initial design was not going to Achieve the you know the solution for fixing the drainage there Which is significant for those that don't know it's knee-high and then some so they looked at many different solutions They wanted to do potential outfalls so we resurveyed the the designer resurveyed the area for solutions and uh and then started designing again probably in the the fall after the rainy season after the survey that's all run its course now it's going to be a little a bigger project let me see if we have the estimate there sorry yeah it's a much bigger project um line 34 523 000 is the estimate so we have an estimate now and once it's funded then we can go out to construction because we do have a hundred percent uh designs approved by derm It's going to be bigger than 65th, yeah, and bigger than 59th.

Yeah?

I mean... Yeah, bigger than Mango Terrace wasn't that big that we already closed out before. I would venture to say, yeah. Yeah, from the ones I recollect from last year, yes.

And we've informed the residents of obviously that.

We have talked to different residents. I think we need to do like a meeting right there on site and talk to everybody, just bring them up to speed on the final solution. OK. Yeah, we haven't done that part.

OK. Yeah. Because there's the Rosemary and her husband are always.

Yeah. I've talked to her before, so we'll reach back out. And yeah, now that it's 100% design, we should.

We should do it just after a rainstorm in Galoshes. OK, so that people remember what we're trying to solve for when the construction starts.

Yeah.

Or like the one in Gable's Edge right now, which is pretty gnarly as well.

Okay, further questions?

If you could update us on 35, please.

35 is, as you know, the 64th Street bike path connection to the Trail. Had to do some research on that one and go back in time to what was done before, because that was designed to a 60% level before. We had a community meeting yesterday. Not the best participation. We need to do another one and maybe even a virtual one and do a little bit more outreach on that. The study part that you funded last year was completed. You had a presentation on that either in January or February, I don't remember now. But I think you had that presentation. And the next question is really deciding on what do we want to do and at what level we'd want to do. If we're going to implement that, we have to finish the design that was at 60%, change it, because it's not the same thing. The big question there remains the impact to the trees and the... And the people, and yeah. Overall, yesterday, there was support from the few residents that lived in the area or near the area for it, and realizing that there will be an impact to driveways, but it will be ameliorated. However, one of the interesting things was concerns of speed. this would actually slow cars down. Because the bike lanes, either buffered or however protected you would do them, it would actually slow traffic down. So again, it needs a little bit more outreach for sure. And then we can come back with a better idea of what the community wants. But at this point, it would need design funding. And then to finish it by June of next year, because we have a grant. We've been in touch with the state and they told us that we would need the plans resubmitted to them by June of next year.

I just want to add to that, just to put it in context. As conceptualized, the estimate of the project is way north of the money that you see allocated from the grant in the out years, FDOT grant of $1.5 million. The conceptual planning estimate was upwards of $4 million. Obviously, that could change based on- Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Sorry. $4 million for that segment from- I'm sorry.

From 64th, I'm sorry, on 64th from 62nd Avenue to the Ludlum Trail. So 69th, it just passed. Sorry.

$4 million for five blocks?

I don't know if you remember the presentation, but it was significant work. You're doing some reconstruction. You're doing the reconstruction. You're going into the swale. There's utility issues.

So there's the utility relocation.

Yeah, a lot of utility work probably, yeah. Yeah, trees, lighting.

So that's a planning number, right? There's a lot more inputs that would define that number a little bit more, but I just wanted to put it in context. Given the grant that's there, I didn't want to walk out of here thinking that that's the project cost. THERE'S A BIG DELTA BETWEEN WHAT IS CURRENTLY ESTIMATED AND WHAT THE GRANT WOULD PROVIDE. SO WHETHER WE MOVE FORWARD OR NOT REMAINS ON STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT AND THEN FUNDING.

SO YOUR MATCH IS $2.5 MILLION OR EXCESSIVE $3 MILLION.

IF WE BUILD TO THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, CORRECT.

MAYBE I'M REMEMBERING WRONG. SO PLEASE CORRECT ME. IN THAT PRESENTATION, THERE WERE ALL KINDS OF THINGS OF WAYS TO TRY TO KIND OF catch funding for this. But the only thing, for lack of the right word, that we've caught so far is the idea of this 1.5.

Correct. We have not pursued other sources of funding because we're not sure if the project can move forward or not. We had the stakeholder engagement, get that feedback, bring it back to the commission and say, this is what the community has said. If we decide that we're going to move forward and design and build, then we will pursue other sources of funding to cover the delta or the gap.

And are we going to spend that $100,000 before we have those answers?

No. I mean, it's unspent. It's proposed for this coming budget.

But my question is, are we planning to spend that money before we have those answers? Because I wouldn't want to spend that money.

We have to make that decision. But I don't think we can reasonably assume we're going to have those answers until we do the design. Correct.

I mean, we wouldn't embark upon an actual design. Remember, what we did was a conceptual planning effort that was mindful of some of the possible concerns and challenges of the community. So we said, that's great, but we're not going to do that realistically. GO DOWN THE DESIGN PROCESS IF WE'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.

NEW SPEAKER AGAIN, I THINK MR. MUNOZ MENTIONED THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT LAST EVENING AT THE MEETING. WHEN I KNOCKED ON DOORS ON THAT STREET, NOBODY WANTED THE IMPROVEMENT. SO AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO GO DOOR TO DOOR AND REAFFIRM, BUT IT'S $100,000 TODAY WITH A $2.5 MILLION HOLE TOMORROW POTENTIALLY. SO AGAIN, I THINK WE SHOULD TREAD CAUTIOUSLY THERE. Are there other projects we want an update on? Are all these projects in our current, they're not all listed in the current capital plan, correct? Have we done, have we had a conversation with council about what we could include in this capital plan? I see that we've got this next item, 38, has CRA denominated on it. I just want to make sure that if we approve this before the trust fund and your local are completed, whether we're in compliance with the statutory requirements on capital projects being funded with CRA dollars. So again, just globally, it's a question for all of these items. I don't want to adopt a capital budget that shows a bunch of projects that we could actually finance with that mechanism and render them all ineligible. So we kind of need an answer to that question ASAP.

And for that reason, it's put out for FY28, not necessarily in the current budget? It doesn't matter.

If it's in the budget, if it's in the plan, it's listed as a future project, current project, my understanding is that it's not eligible. So I just need to make sure someone checks my CRA law, because I probably have a bad recollection, but it's probably not that terrible. OK. Any further questions on roadway and drainage? OK. LET'S MOVE FORWARD TO ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE. THERE'S MONEY HERE FOR EVERYTHING, SO WE WANT A FULL PRESENTATION. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER KAYE? QUESTIONS? CORY? RODRIGUEZ? AGAIN, SAFE TO ASSUME WE'RE JUST WORKING OFF OF OUR SIDEWALK AND ROADWAY MASTER PLAN THAT WE DID WITH KIMLEY, AND SO WE'RE JUST FUNDING IT AS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO.

YES.

OKAY. Let's move on to parks.

Do you have a question right now?

No, he was asking about road infrastructure, but I think everybody's fine there. So let's move forward with parks. Again, colleagues, are there particular projects that we want to focus on, or do you want a full presentation for the subcategory? What's your pleasure? I'd like to discuss 55, which is the Dante Vassell Community Building Civil Trail, just because I think strategically we need to think about what's next. Any questions on All-America Park?

Brewer Park.

A Brewer Park.

Okay. So we have 90% plans on the Brewer Park bollard lighting enhancements. What we are currently exploring right now is connectivity enhancements, potentially expanding the sidewalk, and then also connecting that sidewalk to the amenities that are at the park, including the basketball court and the tennis court. So just trying to improve the overall circulation. Yes.

Thank you.

So are we working to do this project in conjunction with the street crossing all at the same time, or we're going to do them separate? I'm just saying to try to avoid the disarray to one time rather than two separate times.

Yeah, we didn't plan on doing them together because the one won't really disrupt the other. If you're talking about the crosswalk, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it won't necessarily disrupt the other. What Assistant Director Tyson was referring to is that that sidewalk ends sort of like where the park starts, if you will. And then we've talked about navigating that to the park. If we're going to go crosswalk, maybe that path can continue into the park just to get into the basketball court or the others. BUT ONE WOULD NOT NECESSARILY DISRUPT THE OTHER. THEY'RE INDEPENDENT PROJECTS.

I MEANT MORE DISRUPTING THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

NO.

FURTHER QUESTIONS?

WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ONES THAT ARE MARKED FOR THE PARK IMPACT FEES, DO WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO COVER

Everything that we're seeing here under PFIS Yes Yeah, the exercise with finance was Fact-check with the money that come in so if we ran out of parks impact then we would need to you know use But we tried to exhaust that as much as possible and then when if we're actually having a conversation later this evening about the South Miami Park parking lot and

Here I see the Dante Fasel community building that we keep kind of moving and moving and moving. And that's another one where I say in light of what we don't know, I feel that we really need to prioritize the things that we absolutely need. Like during my conversation about that, it was like, okay, we've got... South Miami Park X percent of the way done the parking lot will essentially in the bigger scheme of things Finish that park you'll still have trees or whatever, but that park will be finished Then we look at Dante Faisal and we have you know the possible building. We've got the fitness trail We've got pickleball courts, so I think rather than trying to take a bite of the apple for all of these things, we need to maybe prioritize where they land so that right now I look, I think of Dante Facel and I'm like, okay, we know the track, the walking track at Dante Facel really needs to be done. We understand the building needs to happen, but does the building need to happen before pickleball? You know, that type of thing so that we're not Opening you know a general obligation bond to this big number when we could maybe face these things in To your other point.

There's no general obligation bond if there's no there's property tax reform goes away. So I mean, pretty much. So I have thoughts on that. We can talk about it here at the end. It's not relevant to the program. What I would say with Dante Fussell is, quite honestly, if property tax reform were to happen, we've got a whole inner city hall project that's pretty substantial. Probably, let's just say, worst case, $12 million. It's $3.8 million in cash. If we wanted to fund that or help close that gap, whatever we close by being a little bit more aggressive with a pro forma on the development side. And I'm looking at, the question I wanted to ask about this, it's an operational question, so I apologize. It seems unrelated, but I will tell you why. Right now that facility generates $825,000 in projected revenue for this fiscal year from what I saw in the budget. What's the cost for operating that center? We're operating it in-house, correct? That is correct, yes. So what are we spending? I can get you those figures. I don't have those on me right now. Ballpark, is it more than the $825,000? No, it is not. Is it roughly 30%, 40%, 50%? 50% based on my estimation. Okay, so basically half the revenue, like $100,000 plus, is, say, profit, which is not the right term, but excess receipts from operating the tennis center. Correct. Okay, so... I would just throw out something crazy, which is let's privatize it. We want the building. Let's have someone come in, run the tennis center concession, soup to nuts. There's $400,000 of surplus revenue. They can debt finance a building for us, operate it for a term of years. We get the new facility today, and we get the service enhancements. That's an option. I would think we should at least consider discussing. And we don't have to have it on our balance sheet. Yes, sir.

Oh, let's keep in mind. Also. We might have a million dollars coming in from the state Maybe we have five hundred thousand for the building.

Oh, it's five hundred And I don't know that I mean someone were to do that and they operated as a concession agreement You know the one thing with one thing with not doing the projects. We are giving that money back. I It was five hundred thousand dollars that we got in a state appropriation Yeah, so that's the one caveat here, but you know the USTA has now taken over the Crandon tennis center I mean, I don't know what they're planning on doing there another operating on an interim basis for a year, but this is a center I think that seems to have very and you had very healthy top line revenues and I think Corporal Gabriel generates that much more for their tennis center than we do. And maybe someone then does decide to convert some of the courts to pickle or add some pickle. As part of that, the building, instead of being a 3,500 square foot building, becomes maybe something that has a little bit of a fitness center. I don't know. Some other amenities that maybe we aren't willing to spend, but because they see and earn a profit for a term of years, we can make that work. I certainly think rather than doing nothing, which I would prefer to consider at least thinking about doing a P3 there. So I don't know if there's any openness to that. Maybe something we can explore further. Yes, sir.

I think that's a very smart idea as far as privatizing it. What happens with all the fire truck lane and everything else? They would cover that?

Look, I would imagine they'd have to redesign the whole facility.

So they'd cover all that, even if we do that one signage street?

We can put it out and see if anybody has any interest. I mean, I'm not saying anybody would. I mean, I just don't know. If we're operating it and we're earning $825,000 and there's $400,000 of net receipts, And we don't need that money to cross subsidize. I'm assuming we're subsidizing other recreational programs with that receipt? That's correct, yes. So it does create a hole in our budget. But certainly, if we want to create a standalone program there and have a, not to say state of the art, but a top line facility, there is a way to do it without necessarily financing and operating ourselves. And again, I came across the STA because I was Googling it last night. They are they're operating Crandon on an interim basis, but they do operate apparently a couple other facilities across Florida a long term management contract agreements, so Maybe it's a phone call to them to see they see there's an opportunity Just to explore it as opposed to just kind of letting the project go by the boards Questions on other items

MAYOR? SIR? JUST SOMETHING SMALL. LINE ITEM 67, GENE WILLIS PARK, THE SIGNAGE, WHAT'S ALLOCATED THERE? I KNOW IT'S SMALL. 10,000. WHAT IS IT FOR?

INTERPRETIVE SIGNAGE WITH EDUCATION ABOUT THE PARK ITSELF AND THE HISTORY OF GENE WILLIS AND THE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY. JUST INFORMATIVE SIGNAGE ABOUT THE ECOLOGY AND THE NATIVE LANDSCAPING THAT EXISTS AT THE PARK.

YES, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. YOU HAVE THE SAME QUESTION I DO, I'M SURE.

Why would we spend $10,000 on a sign if we are likely relocating that park? That doesn't seem like a smart fiscal move.

Understood. Definitely point taken. Just depending on the, I guess, the discretion and direction of this, you know, this dais then.

Okay. One thing that's not on the list, which is the... Anna Price Park for lack of a better description in In yeah, the mangle lots we don't have I don't think we have a capital project for that So I mean I think you know requires if original prioritize something we have the land It's there even if we're not doing a whole host of improvements. I rather spend the 10 grand on that for signage and benches receptacles Then Jean Willis So I don't we want to create a sir desire to create a lot of the manager come back with a line item proposal for some very basic enhancements to that property All right signs benches, you know, you know, it's the basic kind of infrastructure for a passive part understood Mayor

Yes, sir. There was an inquiry on the signage itself, and given that may not be a big heavy lift as to what is there because it's going to be limited, we may be able to do it before the fiscal year end. So if it's some signage and some benches, so we may be able to tackle that before year end.

That's fine. That's great. I just want to make sure that we don't forget about it going forward.

Yes, sir. You're recognized. Just a quick question because we discussed the Dante Vassell building, but I'm not sure if we gave the direction. Would the direction be to leave the line item but potentially look into privatization?

I would say let's hold that for the end. I just want to throw it out there for conversation at the end of the time here together. Further questions on parks?

So I'm looking here, line items 69 and 70 for the Manor Lane property. It says site design. So this is to, I guess, what, hire a landscape architect to create the park?

We still need to do an outreach to that to get some feedback. Obviously, there were COUPLE CONCEPTS AND THERE WERE SOME MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT CAME TO THE MEETING. SO WE NEEDED TO ROUND OUT THAT COMMUNITY INPUT. BASED ON THAT INPUT, THEN THERE WOULD BE A DESIGN OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN AT MANOR LANE PARK.

OKAY. THE ONLY THING I WOULD LIKE TO STRESS IS THAT WE SPENT THE MONEY ON THAT. LET'S MAKE IT A PARK.

ABSOLUTELY. LIKE I SAID, AS THE MANAGER MENTIONED, COMMUNITY OUTREACH IS ONGOING CURRENTLY. SO THEY'RE SURVEYING OUT AND PLANS TO HAVE COMMUNITY MEETINGS LATER THIS SUMMER TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE the consensus or the overall impression of what is desired at that park. So once I have that information, that'll be shared with the manager and probably shared with this dais as well.

There's a strong community outreach to leave it as is, and we can't do that.

Understood. And everyone has been encouraged to fill out and complete that survey. And we'll complete the analysis and see what's on there. I've had the opportunity to look at it. And there are definitely reviews and remarks with regards to having amenities, various amenities at that site. So we'll definitely explore that when we conclude the survey and community meetings.

You can. Yes, you're recognized.

I just think that when we're looking not just at that park, at any park that we have, Community input is great and and we need to understand from our perspective as a city What is needed and I'll just use this as an example because I don't know where we are with a dog park We had a dog park and then the dog park went away. We now have no dog park and We're a community with lots of dogs. So while that two block section might not necessarily want a dog park the city as a whole May feel differently or we as professionals you as parks professionals will be able to say, hey, looking at the universe of what our parks are, this is what this should be. I know that we kind of kicked around the Fuchs Park and the big space there. So I think we need to kind of come up with more than just what they as an isolated group might want.

Thank you. Just give an update since you brought it up and thank you. We've taken a look at a couple of issues that were raised by the Elks Lodge when we met. The liability issue, the insurance, the cost of the insurance to satisfy the certain level of liability is just not worth us going that route. And then there was an issue of the value of that space. SOME OF THE INFORMATION WE'RE GETTING TO ME IS JUST NOT WORTH THE 15 FEET. WE COULD HAVE A DOG PARK THAT'S 15 FEET SMALLER AND WE'D BE FINE. I THINK THAT THE COST OF WHAT WE WOULD DO SO WE JUST GOT SOME OF THE INFO I THINK YESTERDAY ON THE VALUE SIDE. WE ALREADY KNEW THE INSURANCE SIDE. I WAS GOING TO GET BACK WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE AUTOLOGY AND HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. SO RIGHT NOW MY HEAD'S AT 15 FEET SMALLER BECAUSE THE COST OF THE OTHER OPTIONS IS NOT WORTH IT. AND THEN WE WOULD OPEN THE PARK.

Just to kind of piggyback off what the manager said, while these conversations are ongoing on the park side, we have been exploring with different general contractors in regards to what we can do at the existing site. So all of our options are covered. Obviously, our desire is to get Dog Park in some capacity open. That remains a top priority. So we will continue with those efforts. And the goal is to sooner rather than later.

Yeah, I would just say we need a capital project for that, whether it's, I don't think the existing location was ever ideal. It was serviceable, to be polite. And again, I just want to caution us I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE EXPERIENCE WITH BOB WALSH PARK. IT TURNED OUT FAIRLY NICE, BUT FROM WHAT I KNOW OF THE PROCESS, IT WAS A NIGHTMARE BECAUSE IT WAS DONE BY COMMITTEE. WE HAVE A MASTER PLAN WHERE IT'S IDENTIFIED SERVICE NEEDS. I THINK THAT SHOULD DRIVE WHAT WE PRIORITIZE THE USE OF OTHER that Manor Lane or the Fuchs Park empty space, I'd be thrilled to have a dog park at Fuchs, selfishly, because it's close to my house. It'd be very easy to walk my dog there as opposed to crossing 80th Street, which I do now, to go to the current one. But again, I just want to make sure that when we're putting out the communication, we should put out options that are consistent with our needs, not just asking people what they want.

Which I'm very happy to see is the parking lot for at the No, well that one yes, I'm very but I know that one's already moving forward at Girl Scouts so on 67th so that one we are in the process of doing the engineering for that already and

Yes, that's correct.

Because I know there were a couple of trees that are protected. So you guys figured out how to go around them?

Yes, so we, just to give you a quick update on that item, we had a meeting with the contractors or the architects who are working on this along with the county to kind of get everyone's opinion and feedback on it. So some of the trees that were originally identified in the plan, we had to kind of go back and forth and figure out what could be removed or what was feasible for that site. So I think we have a consensus from both the county and and also from our consultants as well. So we have revised those designs, and we're a little bit beyond the 50% design drawings. Can we see them?

Because I don't want to see an asphalt parking lot, if that's what we have. We are greener. So I don't know where we are. That's why I want to make sure we're not going down that route.

No, absolutely. DEFINITELY UNDERSTOOD AND THAT SENTIMENT HAS BEEN SHARED WITH THEM. IN OUR LATEST CONVERSATION, WHAT WE WENT BACK WITH IS SHARING KIND OF THE DESIGN WE TALKED ABOUT OVER AT DONTE WITH THAT GRASS PAVER. THAT ITEM WAS SHARED WITH THEM TO POTENTIALLY PROVIDE A COST ESTIMATE OF WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO AVOID IS probably at least one or two of the tallest rock pineland trees that you would see inside the fence are actually in the parking lot. And I told them, we're not going to touch that. I mean, if we're trying to save it inside the fence, why would we? So that sacrifices a few slots, but we had to design around it.

SACRIFICE WORTH MAKING YES SIR JUST A FOLLOW-UP ON WITH THE MANAGER SO AFTER WE WENT TO THE WHOLE THING WITH THE COUNTY AND I MEAN WE SAW I SAW BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE DRIVE BY THERE EVERY DAY AND AND THERE WAS MOVEMENT AND MOVEMENT AND MOVEMENT AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT JUST STOPPED INVASIVE REMOVALS YEAH THE INVASIVE REMOVALS YEAH COMMISSIONER THAT THAT UM

We met the other day with the county that gets done in waves You know there's two things to it number one funding number two There are some things that they want to phase because they say that If you shock the forest by removing thing and there could be an impact so even if you had the money They want to phase it a little bit They gave us an indication of some of the work that's forthcoming. So there's more work planned. They're probably going to avoid a little bit of the summer. And then I also asked, if there was a funding issue, what is the gap? Once we get to a point where you can do more, what would be that gap if there's a funding issue so we can understand how to continue? But there's a thought process we met the other day because where we originally had the fence laid out when we revised the agreement with the Girl Scouts, As well intended as it was, the county would not be able to permit it that way given that it was separating the forest from. So we had to talk about a realignment of the fence. The Girl Scouts are aware at some point we're going to have to amend the exhibit that shows where the fence is. So we met on site probably a week ago, I believe, with the county. Yes, that's correct.

And that was my follow up, the fence. So it has that weird jotting out of that area that they had. So is that still in line?

There's two things. There's the interior fence. So that had to get realigned a little bit because of the forest and the edge of the forest. And then there's a perimeter fence, which on the western side, there would be an access to the trail from the parking lot. But there would be a different type of fence because it may be like these things that you see to rail right yeah to rail fence on the east side and on the Well the the u-shape that is the north east and south of the property but maybe I'll call it mid property to the east that would be a a fence that would not allow people to get in that forest because it's a lot, yeah, there's a lot more heavily wooded. There would be a trail, but that would be accessed from the interior instead of from the outside. The one fence on the east side and the north and the south would prevent people from walking in. The other fence, you can get access to that side. So we're going to come back with a plan that shows that and then the estimates of how that fence needs to be laid out because it impacts the permit. Ultimately, they have to approve it.

No problem. Any further questions for the growing parks?

Okay.

Thank you, Mr. Tyson.

Mayor, if I could, just as an update on the JUA and the projects with the school and so forth. Obviously, there are some estimates. I had mentioned to you a little bit about Palmer Park and the adjacent school and some of the improvements. So there's values that have been, from a planning effort, values that have been assigned to each of the boards. You saw some of the conceptual improvements. So order of magnitude, those have estimates. David Fairchild and Ludlam, they're each about $2.5 million estimate. Palmer and South Miami Middle, that estimate was around 13.2, but that includes An enclosed gym facility that is over the existing asphalt gym I have had a conversation with the mayor about that in regards to There would be limited operating hours at that facility given the security issue So, you know, it's a big heavy investment if we were to do that for limited hours so I just wanted to give you order magnitude numbers because we really hadn't talked about that before and You know, that'll be part of our conversation If you do away with the gym facility and maybe just do an overhead structure, obviously that lowers the cost of that. But I wanted to share that, and certainly we can talk more about it whenever you're ready. But that will influence a little bit of our conversations with the school system.

Okay. Further parks? No?

Okay. Let's move on to fleet. Mr. Munoz, your show. so i'm talking about one of these which is line 93 which is a street sweeper the current street sweeper that the city has is eight years old uh regular repairs and really just reaching the end of its useful life so we've done a comparison of leasing versus purchasing purchasing was less expensive the lease doesn't include any maintenance or ANY WARRANTIES. SO, YEAH, THERE'S THE NUMBER THAT YOU SEE THERE IS 385,000 IS THE ESTIMATE THAT WE'VE GOTTEN FROM THE INDUSTRY. OBVIOUSLY, WE'LL TRY TO FIND OTHER PRICES, BUT IT'S KIND OF LIMITED IN WHAT YOU CAN GET. SO THAT'S AN ITEM THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS A SIGNIFICANT ITEM THERE.

MAYOR, I'LL SPEAK ON 89. YEAH, WE GOT TOO MANY OPEN. I'LL SPEAK ON 89. RIGHT NOW THAT HAS FIVE VEHICLES FROM A REPLACING STANDPOINT. WE'LL SEE WHERE WE END UP AFTER ALL THE CONVERSATION AND DELIBERATIONS. DO WE KEEP IT AT FIVE OR LOWER THAT? RIGHT NOW WE HAVE IT AT FIVE VEHICLES. LAST YEAR WE HAD TWO VEHICLES REPLACED. SO WE TRIED TO SCALE IT. WE'LL UPDATE YOU ON THAT. BUT IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE BALANCED BASED ON ALL THE TOTALITY OF OUR NEEDS.

So are we looking at getting 5 in 27, 5 in 28, 5 in 29? Is that why we're seeing the 300 and something thousand every single year? Well, it's like 350, then 330. You see how it runs, 28, 29, 30, 35?

Regarding that, if you could just kind of give us a big picture, how many vehicles have you replaced in the last five years? And how many would we be replacing in the next five under this plan?

I need to give you a better answer because I'm not sure that we would do that in all the out years to that extent, to be honest with you. So I need to get into the vehicle inventory, mileage, years. That's what we kind of use to follow as to what we're going to replace. So we'll provide you that inventory of where we're at, but I don't know that we would do it to that extent.

Because we could have, it's fair to say we have some of your vehicles that probably have more miles than older ones, depending on where the employee who takes it home lives, correct? So that impacts the useful life. Further questions? Any questions on 96 through 98, which are, look like they're parks, replacement vehicles.

OK.

Sounds good. Let's move on to city facilities. So I guess, Mr. Riverall, have you got 99 and 100?

I have it.

Go ahead. Yes.

So 99 is- You spared Alfredo the hardship. No. He's getting nervous over there. We work together, and he's been great in helping us find and support our needs and figure out some complicated stuff. So we'll take the hit for him on this one. No, this is continuing some of the repairs that we have done in the past for the garage. We did all the ones that were critical and structural and safety related. Not that the following ones aren't, because they are important, because they They avoid the degradation of the facility. We're doing joints and sealants and coatings to keep that facility in good shape. And also, in this year, you see the 350 is for next year to finish out that tiered plan that you saw in the past for the garage. So we're continuing that. And then you see it scaled down because we've done most of the improvements that are significant at that point. IN THE OUT YEARS. IN THE CURRENT YEAR, NOT AN ITEM THAT WAS ON THE LIST EARLY ON IN THE YEAR WAS THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM FOR THE GARAGE. IT'S STILL FUNCTIONING, IT STILL WORKS, BUT THE COUNTY TOLD US WE NEED TO REPLACE IT IN THE NEXT YEAR. SO THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BE IN THIS YEAR'S NUMBER IN THE 25-26. BUT IN THE OUT YEARS IT'S FINISHING THE REPAIRS FOR THE GARAGE PLAN. on line 99. Line 100, we've scaled down also. As you might recall, we've talked about elevators in the past. We recently changed providers there, maintenance companies. One of the most significant things the new maintenance company did was tell us that the roof was significantly leaking. We did a repair that was unplanned. We did that pretty quickly. That's helped. And so between the new company repairs costing less and being more efficient, And the roof fix, we're estimating those numbers to come down for the upcoming year. So we have like a maintenance number there of 60,000.

I just have a general question when it comes to the garage. And I know the answer is going to be no. But does our revenue in the garage come even close to touching any of this? I feel like every time we see the garage, it's like, you know, I think the British call sprinkles like hundreds of thousands or hundreds of millions. And I feel that's like every time we look at the garage, it's like, like hundreds of thousands and hundreds of thousands. And I'm like, how much money do we make in the garage? Are we ever going to be close? Are we, you know, like, is this like?

We had a good year last year. That's all I'll say for Mr. Ruffalo.

And I mean, I would say if you take a look at it over the life of the garage and capital investments not being made necessarily and now having to foot the bill for deferred maintenance. So I would say look at the performer over a 20-year period. How much does a garage make? And we may not still be, you know, we may not be upside down. It's just it's a heavy feeling in the last few years because we've had to invest a lot.

We're upside down.

Yes. Well, if we ever get the Padel up and running, then maybe we'll be making some nice money there.

We could do that anywhere. It's not the garage. I mean, I don't count it as a garage revenue, personally. But yes, we can help fill the gap. But you could put it on a surface parking lot. That's my point. OK. Next category, which is we've got Well, we've got the $11.5 million hole on City Hall. You see that in the out here for 2029. Just wanted to make sure we highlight that. So, yeah. Okay, landscaping projects. Mr. Manager, who's got that?

Yeah, so the landscaping projects, you see the tree trust fund there being funded, along with the Baptist funding, which is this year. And we're ready to move on that. We've accessed a contract. We're accessing a contract from the City of Miami Lakes that will allow us. And this continues the tree canopy program. So those kind of the first three items go together, 104, 105, and 106, all geared towards canopy and tree programs.

So this $85,000 that we're seeing for the Baptist contribution, that is not a negative number. That is an actual deposit into.

Yeah, that's an actual number that we're going to plan on committing this year. Whether we spend it all or not, we'll see. But committing it this year and starting to spend it before the end of the year, yes. But it's not a negative.

Remember that was part of the Baptist project. Yeah, and it was restricted to Oaks So that's that's where we're gonna leverage to start the program on the tree canopy replacement So yeah, we plan to spend all that and then you see the line below it Which is to continue the program in 2027 100k would continue the tree canopy in that case.

That'll be our money Do you Director do do you know? How the difference between, I would say, the request for trees, you know, since we're talking about canopy, what the request was in 25 and what the request has been in 26? Do you know the difference? I don't know off the top of my head.

I don't know off the top of my head. We had a recent, you know, increase in requests, and then it kind of leveled off. But I don't have the numbers. I'll talk at them for you.

I can tell you that in the last four months, we probably had maybe about 40 requests. I've been here a little bit over three years before that. Because I see those emails come in through the Public Works, I would never see those forms come in.

I'm sorry, what are we talking about?

Request to plant a tree on the right-of-way. I would never see those requests. It was here and there, a one-offs. And I could say just roughly about 40, I would say, in the last three to four months.

Further questions on landscaping? Yes, sir.

I was curious, the estimated, I guess, revenue that we would have or generate from the tree fund at sort of $25,000 a year, is that how much we're expecting to bring in from people paying through permits or anything like that? Because I have seen that number be bigger in years past, and certainly that fund's gotten over $100,000 in it prior to us actually executing on it. I don't know if that was a buildup of four years or if it'll, you know... What would you say on average we're going to be getting from that?

That's a forecast. Obviously, if you end up with a couple of folks that have to pay in because they did something they weren't supposed to, that bumps it up. So I think that there was a recurring balance because trees had not been planted to that extent. So I would say this is a little bit of a forecast based on a normal year's trend. It could be more if there's some people that have to pay in to mitigate for what they did.

Question on 109. Why is it listed? We don't have a current commitment or a future commitment.

I had those 108 and 109 put in for purposes of conversation. And the conversation that I wanted to have, obviously, I call those parkways. They're wider than most medians may be. The challenge that we have is that there's been a no parking policy, but that's all over the place. You know, we have landscapers, we have delivery, we have residents and our guests of residents. And so we've had on 84th Street, for example, a couple of trees were impacted because of parking on top of the roofs. So at the end of the day, there is an impact to the neighbors if those areas are enforced as totally no parking. I brought this forward in that manner because 53rd Terrace is another parkway that there could be some enhancements and improvement. But I want to get sort of a solid policy on, are we going to lock it down where there's no parking? If that's the case, obviously the improvements would hold. If there's going to be you know some limited parking then we need to understand that so it was really to have a conversation about how we're going to deal with the enforcement of those two parkways.

Yeah, the neighbor who uses this extension of his driveway. So he comes out makes a left turn across the parkway, grass on grass be damned. So I think if we're going to do something there we spent a few hundred thousand dollars on the four-street already. Other than some nice trees there's really no discernible difference in terms of the sod and condition of the sod. I think all these need curb, just to kind of limit the abilities for parking. So I would probably close the system. Yes?

So on 84th and on 53rd, from one of the residents' feedback is that the issue is the Amazon trucks. They just park in the middle of the road, and then they cause a backup in traffic, because they get off to deliver the packages. I know the managers fully aware and that's why he's that's why I think He started thinking of all this because of all the delivery trucks and all that that just stopped and then I mean you must see it No, I see it.

It's you know, it's that it's the Parents dropping their kids off or picking their kids up from 50 You don't want to get into the queue and they park on the median and to wait for the kids or I mean it happens all the time, but the point is I We have, I think, I don't know if we removed some of them. Hopefully we did. We put out like 12 no parking signs on one block. It looks ridiculous, yeah. But the signs are very pretty. But it's just the numbers overkill. But the point is I don't know that we're ever going to get a handle on it from an enforcement perspective, unless we literally park a cop there during the peak hours when it's happening. Mean I think we spent I mean, it's probably the large landscaping positive done So we've been here and I don't really see the ROI on it. It just doesn't look substantially better. Yes, sir.

I Think that's true on the south side, but on 53rd Terrace. It's not the same It's not parking's on an issue on there. They're not using as at a parking lot on 53rd Terrace So that might be and it's a lot smaller. It's not as big as it is on the south side So just keep that food for thought

I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THE MANAGER, BUT IN SPEAKING WITH HIM, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO DO SOME PAVERS WHERE THESE DELIVERY TRUCKS CAN PARK, DO THEIR DELIVERIES AND NOT STOP THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR YOU.

But the reality is that it's just not the delivery trucks. I mean, the residents use it for overflow parking or if they're, yeah. So it's a problem other way around landscaping pulling pulling the the trailers do not park on the on the you know residents Right away instruction staging.

Yeah, new house has been there constantly finding people literally we just invested all that money on these new trees on the West The portion West of 58th Avenue and new home was being built there every day Yeah, you got construction workers parking on there honestly, it's I mean, the condition's not terrible. It's not nearly the standard I think we would want, but I'd rather not invest any more money there. Or we invest to literally secure it. The Amazon trucks, the reason they're parking on the street is because people have decided to install gates in their front yards so they can't pull into their driveway, right? Or they don't want to pull into their driveway. But, you know, it's... Acute problem here because of the volume and because people have a gate So maybe you just don't get your parcel delivered or you open your gate and let the Amazon truck parking here in your driveway Mayor and I agree on the sign issue.

It was one of these sort of no good egos unpunished What was happening is that you know, we would go out and talk to somebody who parked is you're not supposed to park There's all the sign is over there. It says between those two trees. You can't park And it's like, okay. And so these segments, signs were added on segments because people were saying that doesn't apply here. So now there's an overkill, which I don't necessarily like the pollution of signs.

But that's when we can't write up a ticket. Let them take it to a cohort or a special master and argue it there. I mean, I think the sign is pretty, you can put no parking on the parkway. I mean, so.

Mainly 84th. I don't know how but mainly on 84th because it is a wide enough median and I brought this up to the manager I don't know we didn't really go far in it, but Our residents there have the big issue as far as like on 87th Avenue all the backup that happens there so How would you feel about getting rid of the median and making it two-way street on each side I You can make a left-hand turn now, and now you can keep the traffic going to the right, and you can make a left-hand turn.

You're just going to encourage more cut-through traffic, to be sure, honestly. You're going to invite people to skip the intersection on 5-7 and 80th and head south through the neighborhood. That's all you're going to do. You're not going to solve anything. My humble opinion.

And I tell you as the mom at drop-off in the SUV, I'm not a hater on moms with SUVs. That is me. If you give us more space, we'll take that space, and then we'll take the space you didn't give us, because I can just kind of, I literally crashed on 57th and Sunset one time, because, yeah, shocking to no one, because I was trying to get around a car to be able to go to the beginning of the turning lane, and I clipped them. Well, we would have that every single day if we did that there. But I would suggest maybe we leave the 84th Street alone for now because we realize there's just so much going on there. And maybe, say, if we have funds or we find funds, we'll tackle 53rd because we've tackled 84th. to no benefit, maybe 53rd, because what Commissioner Kai is saying is right. It's a smaller, kind of more intimate space. If we're going to try something, maybe we try it there and see if it survives.

In the world of options, the commissioner was referencing a conversation we were having and said, do we CREATE THESE LITTLE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE IT DOESN'T IMPACT ANY TREES, WHERE THERE COULD BE A SPACE WHERE IT'S LIKE A PAPER, A GRASS PAPER THING WHERE IT IS A PLACE FOR SOMEBODY TO PULL OVER BUT IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE GRASS AND THOSE ARE THE ONLY AREAS, MAKES IT EASIER TO ENFORCE OTHER AREAS OR NOT. I MEAN, IT COULD BE COMPLETELY OFF LIMIT. SO THAT WAS A CONVERSATION WE WERE HAVING AS TO TRYING TO BE CREATIVE WITH THE REALITY OF WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE. SO THAT MIGHT NOT BE AN OPTION THAT'S OF INTEREST TO THE COMMISSION, BUT I'M JUST SHARING THAT AS POTENTIALLY SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO OR EXPLORE.

I just think you probably have more people who would be opposed to it than would want to see it on that segment. Because now it's a regulated imposition, whereas now it's frequently they can complain about it and hopefully people move along. General infrastructure. So we've got lines 112 to 116. Any questions? No? Okay. So moving on to miscellaneous.

Yep. 116 doesn't have a price line. Can you just update us on that? What's the vulnerability study, implementation and pending? What is that?

Yeah, we don't have the specific projects that would satisfy, you know, some of the things that the vulnerability study would highlight. But it's one of those planning documents. We want to make sure we add it because at some point we will have something.

Sure. Just a quick rundown. How's the bridge going?

The bridges, let me just see if... Still ahead of schedule?

Ahead of schedule. So far, so good.

Mayor was out there yesterday. Very pleased with the contractor's work. Very neat, very communicative, very engaging with the neighbors. So we've had no complaints, honestly. Yeah, so that part's been good. Very clean, very safe. So we've been very pleased with the contractor so far. But it is ahead of schedule and no major changes yet. They got past the most significant part of the project. So, so far, so good. The gas line was moved. The water line had a leak and was fixed by the county. They came out to fix it. I think they might. Are they going to relocate the water line? Yeah, they're going to try to relocate the water line and integrate it closer to the bridge. So yeah, it's going well.

Yeah.

Good to know.

Good to hear. They're well-staffed. They're well-organized. It's a very different experience. Okay. Last segment, miscellaneous. Any questions? Yes, ma'am.

What is number 117, signage for community rating system?

MPDS, right? I'm sorry, you're flooding? Yes. Flood rating system signage.

Go ahead. This is part of our flood rating and the scale and the scoring of, which then translates to premiums for insurance. So there are certain things that we do in the community like outreach and maybe certain signage that helps improve our score, if you will, which then translates to better insurance for residents. We don't necessarily see it per se, but the residents do.

I think those signs that say drain to bay And others.

You see Marcus handing out flooding information at the Chickers Read event at Halloween. It's all to help us improve our rating. Also, it translates into premium reductions for residents.

Director, one of the things that we spoke recently was about GIS digital twins and digitizing a lot of the stuff that we want to start moving into the 21st century. What I only see here on the GIS side, is there a plan, master plan, a platform that we have in place or looking to incorporate all these future endeavors that will be very cost effective and good return on our investments?

Thank you. And that's really important and something that we need critically. So online, yeah, 121, that was a this year activity. We did get recently a proposal from one of our in-house, you know, not in-house, one of the six firms that we have. that we're looking at. There's some items we're doing a little deeper dive because there's some information there that already exists. So we don't want to pay twice for it. And it's more than what was budgeted. So we're analyzing that. We're vetting it. The goal would be to vet that before the end of the year and start on that plan. So we do have a good proposal. We just need to figure out the details of it to make sure we don't pay for stuff that's readily available.

Do we want to allocate any funds to this, to that plan? I think that, I mean, I would prioritize this. I mean, I would ask my colleagues to look into it, but I think it's really important for our city.

Yeah, actually, let me, we have to circle back on that one because their number, now that you mention it, I'm realizing that the number that's there wasn't enough, it was only enough to do part of it. Yeah.

Thank you.

What does GIS mean? Geographic Information System.

It's the way they geocode assets. So you put the location of something electronically. So it's easy to find. So you can go and say, OK, where's my stop signs? Where's my benches? So there's a bunch of layers the county has. So a lot of this information does exist. And we're going to need to know what's ours and what's not ours. Somebody calls about a street light. It's like, is it ours? Is it not ours? That's a constant. We get so many calls that we know them by memory. But it's good to have the documented. But yeah, there's a lot of assets that we would need to

to include there You recognize what's 124 LPR camera system at lot B license plate reader, so you can basically passively collect It's way to passively collect Fees for the use of the parking parking lot Passively yes, they read your license plate you want to give her a quick description I

Because is this what I wanted in the parking garage? That's what I really want to know. That's what I wanted in the parking garage.

We're working towards that, where you walk in and you pay for what you... Right, correct. So it allows for that, and that's the intention of that.

That's it.

Where you come in, and as soon as you come in, your time starts ticking. As soon as you leave, you paid for, if you stayed there for three hours, only three hours. For two hours and a half, only two hours and a half. But you have to opt into the program, and we're working towards that. That is one of them. It also gives a 15-minute grace period, so if anybody's just coming to pick up food, go in there. As long as it's past 15 minutes, you get a mail by citation, citation by mail, which the county is now, all jurisdictions now are moving towards that on their off-street and parking garage facilities.

And why not do this in the garage itself?

We're working towards that right now on the garage.

So there's no but there's no specific capital project For that expenditure Laz's parking car contract that was approved by this commission included.

Okay, so that's why and lot B but not in

Okay, colleagues, I think that's, I think left in the parking lot, Dante, and what we want to do with the $3.8 million, which now includes another $500,000 from the state. I don't know if we, we never landed the plane on, do we want to provide for the other access and advance the current design at the current location? We've kind of pointed out this issue for... A long time. We've got an $11.5 million need on City Hall and possibly no prospects for GOV. which we were planning on funding part of it out that way. So if we took that $3.8 million, that leaves us about $7.7 million still to fill.

And I think you've got, sir, you want to talk about that? Yeah, just I didn't want you to forget, too, on some of the funds that we don't have constructed receipt, but we're getting, like the public benefit fund, the bonus, which is $6 million. So I want you, having your deliberation, just kind of know that that's out there.

You know, it seems to be the two obvious things that get sacrificed, sadly, are this project. The irony is the septic disorder will get done, but not this, which was the impetus for the modification. And then we had planned to use the public benefit money to fund a lot of the streetscape enhancements under the Plusserbia plan. It's the money we collect for the bonuses people pay for building the TSD. And I would include in that basket the TDR revenue, also, where we get a portion of the TDR payments that are made to property owners. So that's, as I mentioned, about $6 million of funding that we could, $4 million for Avalon, $2 million from Somi Walk. That's reasonable for us to expect will be there. The question is, What do we want to prioritize in this budget? Yes?

Do you want to go before me?

Yeah, please. Also, depending on what happens with the state, the $500,000 for the Broad Canal, that would offset the cost of that project, the culvert Broad Canal. Yeah.

I if I was gonna be voting on public benefit trust fund we we told everybody we would be beautifying our downtown To switch that now to something else. I think it's a very unattractive big and switch And I know that we have needs all over the place, but that's a big need at least for me that's a big need and it's a need that our residents will benefit from all the time and

That's my number one project so for me, it's it's streetscape So the only the only reason I would encourage us to reconsider is the reason I asked question counsel before is All right, so we're gonna have money. We're gonna have money in that trust fund and 25% per the draft interlocal that we all looked at it's got to be spent on infrastructure which includes streets and sidewalks and that's probably enough money to do that. So if we're going to have money trapped in the trust fund, we should spend it on projects that would otherwise be eligible. Those projects I don't think are listed here yet. So that's the only rebuttal. I don't think it's not a matter of disagreeing with the importance. No, it's just that we've gone through the route of creating a CRA. And so I just want to make sure that we are aligning expenditures of other dollars where we have absolute flexibility to repurpose them so that we're not trapping more money in one area than we reasonably could use.

And do you, sorry, do you want me to wait? Do we have an idea of how that money would feed in and when? Because if we're saying we're going to switch out this for this, what does that look like?

My humble opinion, the one thing that we should absolutely make sure we fund the streetscape is Sunset Drive. And that's, Mr. Manager, that's already in process, or do we have a shortfall on finishing the segments on the east half of Sunset Drive?

Construction. We don't have money for construction. All the money that had been put aside was for design.

What is the estimated design cost at this point for?

A couple of months ago, it was around between $11 and $15 million. So they're at 30% design at this point.

So I was going to say, you're not wrong, but I think we're going to need both. I think we're going to need the six, and we're going to need the CRA money to get to that 15. And we might even need to come up with more. So both are actual right scenarios. We just, we're going to need both.

OK. Further thoughts? So let's just walk through the math. $15 million to do two blocks. If the only two blocks are a block and a half, because the only two blocks are not going to get rebuilt by third parties. Well, I wouldn't go. I mean, if you're doing City Hall, you're going to assume that the south side of 62nd, sorry, 72nd is going to get done by that project.

Right.

Yes. It's going to be built into the civil number for the project, just like it's going to be built into the civil number for Sunset Place.

So the infrastructure, but the streetscape side, the sidewalks, the lighting, all that. Yeah, but it's not. So they're covering a portion. Who covers the north side and who covers by the Chevron and by the little medical building right here?

There's those segments that we have to solve for. What what is not going to get him and I'm just going from what to where we're not going to see other people's money potentially be the solution to fund it is likely going to be on such a drive because We're keeping that street that that envelope the same right with the exception of such a place so I Don't want to prioritize dollars like this on segments where other people's money can be leveraged, right? Avalon Bay should build Look for the new project the segment to join their project. If the works do a project on their project, that should take care of that entire block, probably the north half of 73rd, between 57th and 58th, 57th Core and 58th. I mean, Sunset Drive, to me, is absolutely something that we've got to figure out a way to fund. And then the question is, what else? Yes.

You have Sunset and you have the perpendicular streets as well. So don't forget about those. We have 58th, 58th Court, and then 57th Court. So just make sure we don't forget those. Some of those will be. Some of them will be on the south side. I would say on the east side. The ones that don't touch what you're saying.

But there's more than that. And I just want to remind that. When we were discussing Avalon 2, I wanted them to do both sides. And it ended up going that we're putting up a million dollars now, where they should have been doing both sides.

You were right. No, but I'm saying you were right.

I don't know if that's right, because we don't ask anyone to do projects that don't touch center line opposite. So again, I don't want to say they're right. I understand, but it's not. They're doing it to our standard, right? They're doing it to our standard. So again, it's not a matter of bringing it right or wrong. It's just, again, because I want people that are listening to understand we do not ask that of anybody. The rule is center line to your property, right? Again, I just want to make sure that we are being consistent. If they want to do it, they want to offer it. If we can't afford to do it, we go back to them and say, we're not going to have the money to do it because of what's happened in the universe. Different conversation. But at the time, it's consistent with what we do with every project. So it's not like we're treating them with any sort of special, especially, right? We're giving them any sort of special concession by not asking them to do that. So go ahead.

I agree. It was just what dawned on me afterwards was they're doing their side of the street. They're doing the center thing. I don't know what it is, where the four streets meet. They're doing the other street on both sides of the street. So literally, we just stayed with one little piece. And I'm with you. I voted not to do that. And then afterwards, I was like, I? They're doing every other piece.

And if I may, my only reason for having them do it is because they're elevating the street to the sidewalk level. And there's no way of keeping the other side of the sidewalk the same or looking or even connection point from the street to the connection point of the other side. So they automatically bought it because they're touching it. That was my argument at the time. It's a different scenario.

That would be the segment. There's a change of the profile of the street in every segment.

But a typical development would be an asphalt street where you go center line towards the other and you don't have to touch the other side. Here, they're elevating the entire street.

Okay, so $12 million is what's the working number for Sunset Drive? And that's...

Okay. 11 to 15 was an estimate a couple months ago. Obviously, they're at 30% design at this point.

And that's 11 to 15 for the whole thing that is being constructed on CDs and design, correct? That's everything that we're drawing up.

Sunset Drive.

From 57 to 62nd, yes.

Not 73rd Street, I just want to make sure.

Not 73rd Street, but how about the perpendicular streets?

The side streets, I have to confirm if that's in that budget.

Mr. Munoz, does that include the laterals?

Laterals.

Right, that's what I just asked. Because I think the timing was when they provided that estimate versus the side streets that were added later. So we'll go back and confirm with them.

You're in agreement, but that's OK. So we have the revenue. That revenue may not materialize otherwise. OK. OK. If the the conversation is about taking the six million dollars then best case if we Defund Dante and decided we want to explore some sort of a management agreement to procure the facilities We've got three point eight million dollars. We could throw at the City Hall gap We still got seven point seven million dollars to get us all for so I would say that project is effectively dead Which is the one thing?

Yeah If you are imagining that we are able to make up that difference in CRA money. I think before we say this is going to work, that's not going to work, we have a more in-depth conversation of what things look like because on the one hand, that is what I think has been a very big deal for all of us. And the city hall redevelopment is also a big deal in terms of forward-looking revenue or whatever we want to call it. So I think we need to better understand where and what the CRA money would look like, like where would it be coming from, when would it be coming, so that we then are able to say, hey, like right now we said, okay, we have $6 million here, we're going to have $6 million here, and none of that is enough. I think it becomes more a conversation of this is the reality of where these funding sources are going to be. Now what are you going to do? Are you taking Sunset 57 to US 1? Are you taking... THE CITY HALL PROPERTY AND DOING X, Y, Z WITH IT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A MORE USEFUL CONVERSATION BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE TALKING RIGHT NOW I THINK ARE VERY BIG GENERALITIES AND I LIKE THINGS AT LEAST FOR MYSELF A LITTLE MORE CONCRETE.

SO YOU WANT SOME UNDERSTANDING, SHE'S ASKING FOR A CASH FLOW ESTIMATE BY YEAR FOR THAT TAXING for that trust fund line item. And I guess us as a taxing authority, we've got to make some assumptions about what's coming online for fiscal year 27, 28, 29, 30, and maybe 31. And do some takeoffs with that. I mean, some of that's already in the study, but we've got to probably recalibrate it just to run a scenario where there's 10% Commercial property tax base growth versus the cap potentially now being at 5%. So both scenarios. So we can, yeah. Yeah, because it's going to impact the CRA. Well, what do you mean? It's in the plan. It's in the plan. There's takeoffs. There are revenue scenarios in the plan that we approved. The question is, they probably need to be modified now to understand if there is a reduction, what that does to those revenue scenarios and our ability to fund any of these projects. Yes, sir?

Yeah, I just want to bridge a gap that I think exists. You're referring to the CRA plan. I think you were referring to the capital plan.

No, I agree.

I was saying it's not on here. And purposely, we haven't done it yet, not put it on this document for reasons you stated earlier. Yeah.

Yes. ATTENDANT AVAILABLE REVENUES BY SOURCE THAT YOU'RE SAYING TO FUND WHATEVER THE OUT-YEAR COSTS ARE. SO YOU WANT TO SEE YOU MATCH UP POTENTIAL REVENUE SOURCES WITH THE COST OF THE CAPITAL PLAN.

THE GOOD THING IS THE STUDENT HOUSING IS GOING TO HAVE TO HURRY UP BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MAKE THE 28.

THEY WANT TO DELIVER IT, YEAH. SO THAT WILL PROBABLY BRING SOME MONEY. JUST TO CLOSE THIS CONVERSATION, I KNOW WE HAVE TO GET READY FOR OUR NEXT MEETING. Shared this out with the manager, and I'll share it publicly with you guys. We obviously went to the voters in 24 to ask them for authorization to spend money to advance some of these projects. Speaking for myself, running the calculator that the governor put together, I'll save $4,000, a little bit less than $4,000 a year in property tax remittances. I don't necessarily want to get out and oppose this thing, but I'm wondering whether it makes sense to ask the voters on the same ballot Whether if it passes They would be you know we had made kind of think the bargain that we had offered was as we grow We're gonna reduce our operating millage and try to capture some that future growth so you can see it reinvested in streets sidewalks streetscapes parks right and ask them if the savings are materialized and And we're not getting it. Would you be open to a mod as debt service millage? Would we be open to them rather than actually increasing the debt service millage so we can make up for some of the lost revenue? No, it's not what's going to happen because, again, what's going to happen, I'm not talking about operating. I'm talking about capital. So if you're going to give us dollars, it's going to go into things you can touch, feel, and see. So do we want to just ask the question? It's not binding. We know exactly where the public is on the issue. We can send everybody a letter saying, this is what it would look like for you personally in terms of that. And here's what it would allow us to accomplish over the next number of years. Because what I see happening is everything gets pushed out five years. And some people won't care. Some people may care. But if we don't clarify the opportunity cost, no one's going to understand it. And secondly, we all know that everything gets more expensive every year we don't do something. So whether it's rebuilding these culverts, or improving our parks, or doing the streetscape, which I think people really want to see, if we don't keep doing it now, if we don't keep working at it, it's just going to get more expensive due to a five years from now. So just thoughts on that.

Yes, sir? Just a clarification, because I think you were asking the question from the debt service millage. And I don't know if this helps, but I think, Mayor, what you were talking about was that you have your millage. But then there could be another line item, if you will, that is a debt service millage that supports debt for improvement, so they can see the difference. I think that was your proposing, and so I want to clarify if that's what you were.

That is exactly what I was asking, because I'm like, okay, so if the general public says, sure, no problem, then how would we ever even see that? And so that, thank you.

And just to clarify, since it was not clear. As the tax base grows, it goes at 3% or 4% or 5% based on whatever the caps are. And that number is fixed. So if we said $40 million of debt, but the tax base grows over time, that millage rate automatically has to be reduced. So let's say that we went to market tomorrow and said, theoretically, people said yes, and we went to market for $40 million. And today, just to pick it up, I don't know if this is even close to what it requires, but let's say we have to levy 0.5 additional mils of debt service. As the tax base grows, that would reduce to like 0.5. 47 or 0.45 or 0 point over time so that's a fixed number that doesn't generate more dollars every year Right it generates just enough money to pay the outstanding obligation on the debt I Think that if you're sending that to the people at large it needs to be really clear because I

Nobody's gonna understand that at least 80% of our city wouldn't understand what that meant Comments yes, sir.

Just just a reminder. When is it that we need to get the verbiage ready for the Referendum is it after this meeting? I don't remember the date.

I'm just asking July It has to be at the election problem by July 24th. Okay

Mayor, I don't know if I completely understand the math and all that yet. Neither, so I'm just. Okay, yeah, because what I'm seeing is the cap hit of $800,000 and the max $1.6 million. I don't know how it changes with the millage, especially on the GOB, whatever. I don't understand it yet, so I'll just reserve and I'm going to go research. I don't know.

My preliminary math with Alfredo is that with just standard cost escalation, a lot of that capacity gets eaten up. So we're not going to see, it's going to be compounded beyond the 1.6.

And you probably know this more, I believe actually that Depending on the time frame, more houses opt into the property tax, the homestead exemption. What is it, two years or three years? It's five years. Five years. So after five years, you're in. So that 1.6 is going to grow.

Well, it's going to grow, period, because the valuations will grow. But the impact will be roughly that. probably be higher by the time it actually happens. Those values will likely increase slightly. Yes, sir?

Would the language on the ballot be kind of contingent on the reduction?

Correct, yeah. I think it would be something that we can work on, some language just basically, if this passes and you save money, would you be open to the city increasing or passing a debt service village? Would increase the total levy but still result in? Savings so I'm not saying that I would not get as aggressive as asking in my case for a full $4,000 back, but do we want to ask for? See we can get 50% of it back so we can actually advance some projects I mean for me marginally and the money's important, but it's not I would frankly prefer to see Living community has a very nice town center. I think ultimately that's gonna add to a lot more resale value or value to my my home and I

Certainly have a better quality life And I think a reason that that makes a lot of sense is basically if this gets passed It's gonna be very unlikely. We're gonna be able to use that geo be money the way that we originally intended Yeah, and I and I would rather rely on

an actual referendum, then poll it, because certainly there's all these skepticism about polling these days. And if we have an opportunity to ask voters what they think and be guided by that, I mean, we may choose never to exercise that discretion, but at least we know after that snapshot in time, people prioritize this enough that they want it, would give us the authority, or at least would be comfortable with us doing it. We stand adjourned.