City Council - Regular Meeting

thing 15,355. So we are requesting uh 15,355 to be removed from 4620 and added to 4712 for tasers and then we will have 17,500 in noncap savings on this. Um they that there I believe is my understanding is for the actual lease of the current tasers that they have. What was included on the CIP is for the additional tasers that they're requesting. Okay. So, you've got it in which line now?

Um, so that 15,355 I think were remove from 4620 and add to 4712. That'll be the 17,500. Got it. Thank you.

Um, next page. Um, 650. We were requesting uh for subscriptions and dues as the Gallop Independent is no longer uh available. Go down to operating costs for the telephone. Requesting additional 3,000 in telephone. Um Comcast not budgeted in the previous years. Um this is for fire alarms and the elevator. Now, this come this come in because we had to construct the new building and so we need that line for our elevator and our um alarm system. If you go down um we're decreasing uh the civilian um overtime by 2,000, but we're going to we're going to request um if you go to the other

are you still on 2011 or you changing department? Oh, sorry. We're Yeah, I'm done with Okay. 2011. If you have any questions for sworn, they'll probably go to civilians. What's the difference? Um, what's the next department? This is police. Civilian staff. It It's still police, but this is I was talking about sworn staff and this will be our civilian staff. Oh. Um, so with the new technology and Suzanne, if you could help, you're you're going to need monitors and stuff to for the drones and that kind of stuff. Is that going to be included in the ICIP? we've talked about, you know, where this how this is going to work.

Um, we were not involved in the demonstration of the of the system. So, um, I hope that we can, um, sometime sit down and take a look and see how our departments are going to be involved in this. Um I know that in some of the um the documentation that I that I read um it's a cloud-based system so everything is is saved there but um the the where we're um a little concerned is obviously in the management administration of the system. Um, I know that in doing some research, it requires um two people to um for a system this size to manage um the system full-time. So, it's almost like having an active crime center um if if you were to think about it like that. Um as far as equipment is concerned, we're not too sure yet. We haven't received any specs um letting us know, but if anything, we do have equipment here. Um, we always make sure that we have um um extra monitors for, you know, for staff if if if something happens with their equipment. We always have things like that. Um, as far as a computer system goes, I think we can work with the PD to find something. Um, but like I said, right now we don't have that information, but we can try to get that quickly.

Thank you. Um, and Billy, do you um with your with your you guys have a lot of computers and I can't remember do when I was out, do you guys have a control room to put this stuff put these Yeah, we have a server room and then we also if we needed to install a monitor, we could probably um install that into the our main conference room. Okay, good. So, yeah. Yeah, though the flock safe city um I'm sure the chief um hit on that a little bit. Right. Right. So, so this this it it's an expensive program. I'm not going to I'm not going to sit here and tell you that it's not. It's $9.9 million. technology. Technology is expensive, but

I don't Some of you that got to see the presentation, um it's an amazing um piece of equipment.

One, you guys know shot detectors um that are in Albuquerque. We have they have those um they respond to to the scenes of those. Um they pick up casings. If they don't find anybody, they can pick pick up the the casings. And for those of you that don't know, um we were one of the cities to be selected in the state to have a NYN machine. We've already had like two or three hits on that machine for crimes um involving guns and casings that have been found. So what happens is is that I can tell you by a shot detector in Albuquerque. We've had a homicide here in Gallup. Um the shot detector in Albuquerque picked up the shots. Um police go, they get on scene. They pick up the casings. They said, "Hey, Gallup PD, um, through the NY machine, we know that this gun in Albuquerque is being was used and it's been involved in one of your homicides in the Gallup area." So, the technology is there and yeah, we we probably need to work together to figure out what's going to be the best for the community. Um, and I and I want to make sure that that people do understand that it's about community. It's not about the Gallup Police Department when we're trying to I'm not trying to sell you guys anything at all. I'm not trying to sell you anything. It's for the community. Um there's there probably does need to be a little bit more research to see um what we can do with this, but I'm telling you, it's a it's it's a really it's a great program, but we do have the room at the PD for the equipment that we need.

And you have and it looks like you have enough budget if you had to buy a monitor and some things I'm sure out of that budget. We have plenty of monitors at the PD. I don't know where we got all those TVs and stuff from. So, good. Okay. We might be able to sell some to you guys. I just But no, we do have we do have we do have those. I just wanted I wanted to make sure you had the infrastructure. Yeah, I think we used the wastewater plant. You guys need a monitor, too. Yeah. Yeah. We got them at a good price for you. I just wanted to make sure you had the infrastructure to to Yeah, absolutely. We have plenty plenty of growth. Um, and we forgot to mention you've got 60 full-time uh police officers budgeted.

So, we're not we're not asking for new any new FTEEs, but um Mr. Japeti did um mention something very important and I think the the city attorney did as well. Um we're getting um we're getting so many IRA requests and if you guys don't know this, I mean we're getting uh YouTubers, Tik Tockers, everybody now requesting multiple uh multiple videos from us and uh not only that now we're getting them from the prison systems if you if you I mean so we're we're inundated and the problem is is that we can't as a police department um we have we we have nobody so we have to do every single one of those videos and we have to edit stuff we have to edit things such as juvenile stuff if our MDTs are up those have to be edited hospitals I mean it it takes hours and hours and hours for one person to do that. So, um you know, IAS are huge for us. Um so, in the future, um we might be asking um for a a position for an IPRA just like just like Al. Um because we have to feed him a lot of information as well as the city attorney. It's it's horrible question. They on the It doesn't matter federal, state, local.

They could be used in any court. They could be used in any that's what I was saying the IRA the IRA laws are are very broad in terms of who requests the information and the burden is on the public entity to satisfy those IRA what is the um penalty they can well this is Gallup you know no is this working um there's so there's there's different ways to it's ultimately enforced by the attorney general in terms of but the denials because we can deny for certain exemptions. They can also then go to the court and ask the court for an order to supply those.

We just have to have a better lawyer than theirs convince the court. Well, what we do for the Gallup Police Department, we rely heavily on Al and the city attorney to tell us what we need to give and when we need to give it. Yeah. Last year I had a torque claim against me because you didn't um provide the in a timely fashion or in a timely fashion that was one and also the the requesttor believed that we didn't provide all the records that he requested. We had to prove that we had to that we but it was tort wasn't tort claim against

but like I was saying earlier we also have the civil rights act that then we'll name the municipality and so they would sue the sue the city um it is like I said earlier too it's um transparency is the rule protection is the exemption so our practice from our office has always been we provide the records as much as we can which requires a lot of staff time. Um I think Mary you had asked earlier about subpoenas. Thankfully we were able to recover the amount in the subpoenas that we had to respond for example in the Martin case because it was an errant erroneously issued subpoena. So we did get some money back for staff time on that. So we try to enforce these things as much as we can and um be responsive to the requests pursuant to the law, not wanting to get into any challenges that we have not been responsive and then protecting records um to the extent that we can.

I have a question. If in in regards to your videos, if we had an employee that was considered a confidential employee, we we did a centralized area with Al's direction and had one or two employees to do all public info requests that we possibly can. Would that confidential employee would they be able to access and do those records for you? You feel like that would be I I'm just thinking a synergy because of all like we just had one that came to several of our departments. was really really labor intensive and so you know if if

so initially I would say my answer to that would be yes because our evidence tech is a civilian employee but with training so I think as long as somebody had the proper training um in IRA and what needs to be given out and what cannot be given out I I don't see an issue with that I'm just thinking thinking ahead of maybe how we could do it next year instead of in all the different areas is that are really heavily inundated instead of different employees if we did it together as as one or

um just real quick if I can um um before I I go to the civilian um staff I I just want to I want you all to understand too with the we you see our overtime our overtime budget is always high um like right now um we are at uh I believe 124,000 48.73. Um this is um this overtime will have to last us until I Julyish. But when we when we start talking about overtime, we have municipal court, magistrate court, district court, federal court, DMV hearings, pre-trial interviews, um depositions, um and then not including all of our city events that we have to cover and non city events sometimes. uh shift uh shift shortage, K9 training, ERT uh training, uh NARC investigation call outs, detective callouts, and that is also scene intensive. How many investigators have to be out um IIA investigations uh training for all sworn sworn staff and then um precision rifle uh training that we have. So everything is just and and and I also believe that with the the amount of officers that we don't have, obviously that does increase our our overtime budget. I mean obviously

you had 60 full-time employees, but what is that 76 is what you're budgeted for? No, 60. So but you we're down 16 budgeted, but of those 16 are vacant, right? We only got 44 working. 44. That's sworn. So, I I just sort of wanted to give you a picture of what the overtime the overtime looks like. And and we do try to to find ways to um and and and I will tell you this as well. Um from the lieutenants on up, um nobody makes overtime and you'll see a lot of us out at a lot of these events.

Not not to beat the red dead horse, but you know, again, we're out on I40, four units, no state police. Um, you know, we're Burlington Northern's Railroad, no no railroad police. So, we're doing everybody else's job. Absolutely. And the citizens of Gallup because $9.9 million for for a city of 21,000 is unreal. Should be about 2.1 million. Um, but

that's I guess our next attempt is do we try to get money out of the state to start covering some of this. So, we do try to uh there is there is an open um now that you talk about that, mayor, we do have an uh we do have a an email that with the New Mexico State Police and the captain that they will work um any major crashes or fatalities that are on the interstate. I'd rather just get the cash from them. We'll take care of it. I mean, if we if we can bill them, you just let us know how we do that, Patty, and we'll we'll bill everybody. Sierra could help me figure out how to how to compel them to pay it. My staff can create the bill. Okay. Thank you, Bill. Appreciate it.

All right. Civilian staff. I'll just go through this real quick. Um we How many do you have? Um yeah, eight. I could tell you if I could spell eight. So, we're cutting their um their their overtime by 2,000. But what we're going to do is when you go to other operating costs, employee training, um we're ask we're requesting for 8,842 um in civilian training to enhance skills operational efficiency to implement best practices and improve internal and external workflows.

Civilian building and civilian training same thing or just a third category. This says building. Yeah, this is this is building. This is civilian. Civilian. Okay. Yeah, it these are way that we had named the departments probably 20 years ago when we set up Avaline have a third department. All right. Well, he does but not right now.

And then um when we go down to uh operational um operating costs and utilities, we're asking for 10,000 um because we've been in the red and so we don't want to go back and keep asking for budget transfers. Um, so I think if we add 10,000 more to our utilities, um, we should be okay. Good.

Uh, public service, um, these are our PSOS. These are also civilian staff, but these are public service officers. What we're asking, um, for additional, um, 42,000, um, in overtime. Um, overtime was fully depleted in December of 2025. Additional funds have been transferred. As of March 2026, uh we were negative 13,686. After the budget transfer, we have 39,78715. And we're extremely selective on how we utilize um our PSO overtime. Um but we do have a lot of the events and a lot of things that they have to cover as well for us. downtown patrol sometime watching some of the north side businesses, east side businesses and um areas that need to be covered. Um and with that, um our when we go down to LAPF, uh it looks like we're going to have 100 jumping a little too quickly.

Sorry, you're going from one fund completely to the other. Okay. So, under under the protective custody office, the PSOS, we have 15 authorized. Yes. Um and that's something I he and I spoke with and I mentioned yesterday. We've not ever reached that capacity and that was one of the areas that I had recommended maybe we fund it a little above what he normally reaches so that there is still room to continue to expand and then if if they're fortunate enough to to find additional people then find a way to fund it at that time out of contingenc 15 15 are funded

and then the protective was 15, but we only have how many? Uh 10 right now. Out of 15.

Just to ask the question, what So we know we're like we with the police, you have this big budget for 60 people, but you only got 44. So is And you also have the

So it's not really reality. I mean, it's a lot less And that's that's part of the struggle is is it once we fund and authorize those positions, we have to leave that money there in the budget available for them to do that expansion. But we we usually what we've been doing the last couple years is we do put a little bit of contingent money aside for things that pop up. If we adjusted that a little bit but reduce their funded positions to a more realistic level, that would free up some of this pressure on us at this moment to just even get balanced to where we could move forward. with with the expectation that we either look to see if if the prior year closes with higher cash or do we have contingent money that we could go ahead and budget in there for the additional

like an algorithm someone yeah I know um just want to make sure that for some reason if council does mayor council if you do decide to cut some of these positions um what I've always been told is once you lose something you never get it back so I I don't want that to happen if that's we have no intentions I I we're just trying to figure out, you know, because the budget's big, but Sure. That's all I'm asking. Okay. We're not going to cut any police, that's for sure. Are we are we good with that area? All right. Then um just going down to the LAPF. Um it looks like we will get 161,000 um this year and and that's what we've got in there. Yep. Yep. Okay. This is the fourth one.

Uh LAPF. Yep. Sworn civilian. Uh what was it? The other one was uh law enforcement protection fund. LF. And then this is LEF. What is LF? This is this is LAPF. This is law enforcement protection fund. You started with sworn, then you went to the one we're calling building aka civilian. Then we went to protective custody. And this is LAPF. This one does not have FTEEs charged to it because the the funding is not for that purpose. Any questions? Explain to a little bit about what what this money is and what you do with

So the law enforcement protection fund um is is given to us by the state um and what we can use with this fund is for equipment and training and travel. So what we do is we split it up um and we try to half it so we can figure out what kind of equipment that we need and we can use uh and purchase with half of that and then um for the other half um it it can only be used for sworn for sworn staff though. It can't be used for civilian staff. It's just got to be used for sworn. So a lot of our training um and travel will uh come out of that fund as well.

Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Okay. Is it break for lunchtime or not yet? We have five minutes. Okay. So, we'll go 15 minutes. We can't go five. 15 minute equals five group three times. We'll call 3x. All right. So, next

the next one up would be animal control. Hers is in her defense. We went from having this primarily contract service to having it how done in-house with our own staff. So there's really not a good comp for her to show then now at least at least on line by line basis it's it makes it is that because of the humane society contract? Yeah. Yeah.

Not it's not going to be as bad as the permitting department. No, no, her I mean her costs have gone up but not quite as bad as that. Good afternoon, mayor and council. Um Hubard, animal protection department. So I have 14 full-time employees, uh four officers, four animal care workers, two vettees and adoption specialists, one admin assistant, a manager and director. I did request for our overtime to be up to $40,000. Um, this covers the officers on call after hours. This will also cover staff driving transport. Um, our vettees, so we do spay and neuter surgeries. Now, I can't guarantee that they're going to be done on time. Depending on how many animals they do, if they have complications, surgery could run later.

That for the general public or just for the uh the It's for both. For the public and for um the shelter, your on call vet does that? The on call officers? Yeah. The vet. No. Who does the spade noodle? The on call? Your vet? Um our vet is contracted. Yes.

On call. Contracted. And he's they're only there a couple days a week. Um, she comes two times a week, sometimes three, just depends on our need. Um, our travel, I actually was going to I got for sure confirmation we can delete our travel al together. Everything's online. Everything is virtual. So, we can subtract the 4650. I was just waiting on a couple to confirm our fuel. We did go up on um that again is to cover transports and animal protection does cover the city and county. Um some places in the county are further away than others. Building maintenance. I had a question on building maintenance. It shouldn't be in there. Correct. Okay. Oh, that's right. That's right. Because we want to get our cost share with the county.

So, they will cover building maintenance. We believe they will. Okay. Going for it. I just wanted to make sure. Yeah. The only thing they they have specifically refused to participate in at this point has been capital purchases. So hopefully they don't give us our time money. Did the county purchase some of the equipment we bought from the humane society or was that strictly a city purchase? It the city purchases it. We put it in here as part of the cost share and build them and they refused. They said they're not paying for assets for us. Which thank you

because she does have a new van coming. Yeah. And we're doing that as a lease because that should be part of the the uh shared amount. And yeah, so for vehicle maintenance, we should put that in here to share the cost as well. And do you have a guess? 20,000. Yeah.

Okay. 15. Okay. I'll put I'll so for vehicle maintenance we'll change it to So you took the building maintenance out. No, we're leave the building maintenance because we want the cost of the cost share, right? And have you got specific plans on this or this is um this is just for upkeep. This is when drains get clogged. I mean we have a lot of things that happen. So this is to cover it all. Did you get the front of the building painted or not? I do have a sign that is ordered. I have a sign ordered.

Okay. So, that is coming. Okay.

Um is is our contracted vet. That's the $130,000. Um we do have a th000 in there for New Mexico Department of Agriculture Veterary Diagnostic Services. This is to cover necropsies for different cruelty cases if we have to send them off. That does get to be a little spendy. We've only done a couple. So, um, and then there is under other services under contractual services, we have the alarm system which is at 600. Our shelter pro services. So, this is how we log in and keep track of all of our animals, whether they're transported, adopted, the outcomes and incomes. So, this is how we track our statistics for the end of the year.

Give us a general idea. Yeah, give us the big one there. What is

our supplies budget? So, um, since we took over operations, this is going to cover, accomp, animal food, cat litter, cleaning supplies, um, dog licenses and rabies tags, gowns, gloves, and shoe covers, janitorial needs, leashes, medications. Um, I have medications in here twice because there are two types of medications. We have the regular medication line is for antibiotics, um gastrointestinal medications, preventatives, flea and tick medications, uh microchips and then we have office supplies, oxygen, so we rent oxygen tanks and get them refilled for surgery. We also have surgical supplies and medications. This is surgical needles um syringes, needles, suture material, um are controlled substances to anesticize the animals. Um that's why that is so large. Um we have dog traps in there because unfortunately our dog traps um get tampered with quite a bit and we use them quite often. So there's a lot of wear and tear on those. And then vaccines. Vaccines are pretty high. Um we have been completely booked out on vaccine appointments. So we've done about 1,500 over the last few months. And we're

parvo mainly or rabies. December parvo. Um so this is for not only shelter animals that are in the shelter but the public. So December parvo and rabies for the public. And then they pay for it. Correct. Okay. Um and then bordatella for the shelter animals. which is for the kennel cough. Is that an inoculation or do they sprinkle?

It goes up the nose. Yeah, it's intraasal. Then our supplies, non-cap furniture. We have large dog crates. Um so those will be used for again surgery. We do have to have kennels to be able to hold animals in for our surgery days. If you come in back by our surgery room, our wall is lined with kennels. So those we do have to replace. But what did you buy from the Humane Society? Is that what you bought from them? We Some of them, yes. But a lot of them we did not because they were bad shape.

Yes. I have dollies and wagons in there. Um, we do need a dolly and some wagons. This helps move trash. um dollies for equipment, that kind of stuff. Uh freezers, we do have large equipment we have to move. And then an information table. So, we've been requested by a lot of schools um and different things that happen in the community to come and do presentations. So, we would like an information table for that. our safety equipment, our respirators and refills. Um, our officers do have to wear respirators as they deal with hoarding situations, uh, ammonia from cat urine, dog feces, that kind of stuff. They will have to have those respirators for safety boots and their Tyveck suits. Uniforms did go up a bit. That is for the four officers. They get shirts and pants. And then I do have animal care workers and the vettees are in scrubs that are labeled so we know who they are. Our front desk staff also have polos. So that covers the cost for those. Our other operating costs, this is for training. So um the comprehensive animal management you can actually take out because that'll be included in the animal care and control. So we have animal care and control authority. They come out to the building and they actual actually will train all of our staff in facility. So um

and a big thing with the safety for animal control when they were talking I know Frank was talking about um deescalation and that kind of stuff. So we have interpersonal communication officer safety and protection and challenging encounters and this is specifically tied for animal control because people with animal issues are not going to be dealt with the same as people with police and code enforcement issues. there's a totally different mental aspect behind it. So, this covers us for the animal related part of it. And that is something that when he comes in, he comes in for a week and we actually had him do it um a few months ago for our new staff that we took over that have never been trained before. And our vettees got trained, our ACWs got trained, our officers were trained also. We do a couple blocks every day so everybody gets training. our lunch is here. So if up and

yeah we um so the size of the animals I know we've talked about this before the need for the large animals and you've been with us but what is the largest animal you guys take is it goat sheep dogs I know you don't take horses and cattle um so we have done pigs very large swine 300 pounders and uh sheep also okay and then when you when you do those large animals like that where Do they go are they usually kept outside in the pens outside? So I have um one specific dog run that is very large for that reason. Okay.

Um we've kept pigs there. Our sheep we have a viewing pin up front. They're usually kept there. Okay. And then if it's a let's we're not say well we had a raccoon or something which we don't have but they do. You never know. Um what is that? Did you call gaming fish or how does that work? So skunks, raccoons, that kind of stuff. If we trap those, we relocate and release. Okay. So, but yet that's under your budget. You that we have traps for that. We do all that stuff. I mean, that's just in our everyday any animal, any wild animal. And skunks are the big ones. Bears is that fish. Game and fish do come out. We usually keep an eye on them. Okay.

Um until they arrive. I see. But deer, all of that is game and fish. And in New Mexico, it's not legal to have a pet raccoon or I would have if you have any extras. Um, and they go go back up to your number of employees, just so I'm clear. I know. Yeah, they're they're showing up better it gets and more the employees. Um, can you go back to the employees? How many the full times? 14. 14.

And that's because and the 14 and the budget went from 224 to 600 live because you most of that was covered by it was under contract. Now it's up under employees. Overall, it is costing us more than it did. But um she could go on at length at the quality of care that's changed. Then what was which one reduced significantly? There was that was contractual because that's where we paid for that. But it sure didn't offset, did it? Yeah, it didn't exactly offset. Not even close. I kind of just spread it out through the other lines that we needed.

Went from uh right there from 433 to 131. So that's only Do you have any questions? Yeah. All right. Thank you. Thank you. everybody. That's no longer a funded department. They they don't utilize that any longer.

You see him perk up. There was also field services at one time and we no longer fund it that way. They they they changed the structure I want to say about eight years ago, but it's been a while. Yep. Tasha said lunch is here.

Hey everybody, we're getting ready to get started with the second half of today's budget hearings. Um, and is Sarah on? Do we know? Okay, Patty. Next. All right, we're going to continue this party. We need to step it up a bit because now everybody's going to have a carb load and and we're not going to allow anybody to not be focused. So we are going to move forward with fire department. Come on chief, dance your way up here and keep us alive. You guys fall asleep. I could play the song, but I'm not going to do.

Good afternoon, Mayor Council. Um, so just basically I just gave you it's a little two-sided sheet for our kind of proposal this year. So, initially we had requested to reclassify three of our firefighter positions to lieutenant positions, but based on the budget stuff, we're going to postpone that. So, maybe future years, but we'll go over the 101 budget. So, the fire department is funded from three different budgets. We get the 101 from general funds, our fire funds, and our EMS funds. So, on the fire on the 101 funds, couple of the accounts that we're going to go over. The first one is our overtime budget. So, we are asking for a $20,000 increase this year to 385,000. Um, I could tell you just over the last couple weeks, I already had to move 100,000 into overtime because we're already maxed out.

Uh, Chief, could you give us your full-time employees?

Yes. So, right now, I am budgeted for 57 positions. So, I do have a current couple openings. I have an opening for fire marshal. I've not been able to fill that position for a year. I have one fire inspector position that I have open. Um, we had two fire inspector positions open for almost two years and no applicants. We finally filled one and it was one of our firefighters who was injured off off duty. They can't return to full duty on shift. So, they are taking a fire inspector's position until they get really uh ready to return. I have an assistant chief's position open that we're currently trying to fill right now and one lieutenant's position which we're about to be going through promotional uh testing for that. So, with the fire marshall and the fire inspector, if we need to postpone on filling those for a year or two, I'll just do those jobs. I'm already doing them now. So, I'll just cover those positions until

the budget increases and we can possibly fill them. Um, for the fire marshal, like I said, we've had been over a year, we've had one applicant and then he didn't show up for his interview. It is very difficult to bring people out to Galp, especially for some of these admin positions. All right. Also, so if you also one of the sheets I gave you was our current roster. So we're with our positions. We have 17 positions per shift, which includes a battalion chief, two lieutenants, and 14 firefighters. So you can see on crew A, we have 14 people, so we're short three on that shift. Crew B, I have 13 people, so I'm short four on that shift. And on crew C, I have 14 people, so I'm short three. I currently have six new recruits. I have another one starting on March 27th and I have two additional ones possibly starting March 27th that they accept the positions. So fire sorry April 27th. Yeah in the wrong month. Um we can easily hire firefighter positions. The problem, the reason why the shifts are still short is most of the time when we hire somebody, they have no training. And it takes us anywhere from nine months to a year to get them all their full training to put them on the trucks because we're not going to put them on the trucks until they meet all the minimum standards. And there's a lot of classes they have to take. Also, you'll notice that we hire a lot of recruits, but they always don't make it on the trucks. Um, just in the lot since August, we've let go of three recruits, right? We can hire I mean, I can teach anybody to put out a fire, can teach anybody to be an EMT, but we can't teach you people to have values, ethics, and morals. And if they don't meet our standard, they're not going to work for the city of Gallup. So, if they don't meet that, and that's why we have a one-year probation for them to show that they can meet those. If they don't, they're not going to work here. They can work somewhere else.

So, that's our current staffing right now. So, if we need to hold off on the fire marshall and that fire inspector's position for a year or two years, that's probably $200,000 right there cuz we're very very expensive. All right. Um, and just over the the staffing, one of the reasons why we have a hard time filling some of these admin positions, it's actually PRA hurt us several years ago. So when firefighters were on shift because of their shift hours, PAR would not put their overtime into their retirement. ERA changed that. So any overtime they work now goes towards their retirement. So when you get promoted to an admin position, most of the time you are salaried. So even though you make less hourly, you make you can make more a year. So there's really no incentive for somebody coming off shift to go into an admin position. And just just to clarify, the only overtime they're including is the 106 hour part of it, not beyond that.

Correct. But that's just the normal overtime that they get working their shift. So just working their normal days, it helps their retirement. Plus, they get four days off if they're on shift instead of just the normal weekend off and it costs us a lot more. Why is the FICA so low? Um then is that because you'd have a separate retirement contribution plan?

Police and fire do not play pay social security and I believe that choice was made by the state many years ago and we don't have the option to change that. So they they pay the Medicare portion but they don't pay the social security. So this would be just probably he's got a couple admin people or one um so that's not in the fire fund but everybody else doesn't pay that par contribution is yeah yeah and our par contributions for the city side is extremely high significant yeah police fire and and I think it was created that way partially because of the social security

for a lot of people there correct so on our overtime budget So again, we're asking for $20,000 to take us up to 385,000. And again, we're in the same along the same lines with the police department with our overtime. A lot of times we get calls earlier in the morning. We do shift change at 7. So if the crews are on a call, we don't tell somebody, "Hold on, wait till the other crews get here. Uh they'll continue with the call." Um if they transport the patient to the hospital, you know, that could be an hour, two hours from the time they clear the hospital to the time they get the report finished. We do have legal mandates at how long we have to finish those reports. So, they have to be done before they get home or before they leave. Also, a lot of events we do charge for a lot of our events, especially if they're dedicated standbys. But we also have incidents during the year where we have to call a general alarm. So, basically a general alarm is where we call all offduty personnel that can respond to come in. Uh the biggest one was like the day of the power outage and the fires on Mariana Street. I had like 13 14 people here for like 12 hours straight. Um, and so a lot of people are like, "Well, that's, you know, I had probably 20 something people on that fire." And they're like, "Well, that's a lot of people for a structure fire." Well, it is, but car accidents still happen, chest pains still happen, fire alarms still happen. The city doesn't stop. So, a lot of times we'll call general alarms in to back fill the stations to respond to the normal day in and dayout calls that still happen. So that is our one for our increase on the overtime and again we go through that. Um hopefully once we get a lot of these new recruits on shift that'll cut down on our overtime especially with our shifts being short right now. We are under CBA mandate that at least you know they get to vote on their vacation days. So according to the collective bargaining agreement if two of them have got their days approved I can't deny them. So there's a lot of days that I have two people off on vacation. So I got to fill those shifts. at CBA,

right? The the union contract. They they have a fire union. Yeah.

Yeah. And our minimum staffing right now is 12 12 people have to be on duty every day. So that's our overtime budget. The next one is our professional services. Uh this is where we pay like our pharmacist because we do give medications. Uh we also have some money in there for our medical director. Um we used to pay our medical director $10,000 a year. Our medical director works for GIMC. They did work out a plan where GIMC allows them to do their medical director duties as part of their job. Problem is is with the federal government, we don't know if they're going to change that rule. So, we always just keep a little placeholder in there just to pay that FBF to. Next, our other contractual services. This is where we do our EMS billing. $60,000 for our third party ambulance uh billing and we can't pay that out of fire funds. So, we use the 101 account for that. We did go to a new EMS billing company like July, August sometime last year. Um it was supposed to cost less, but we haven't been a full year yet. So we're still trying to figure out the costs on that. The big increase that you're going to see there under other contractual services, $169,226. That's to pay the city's portion of the Medicaid reimbursement program from July to December. Uh we're hoping once we get those funds in, I'm working with finance right now to get those line items approved and to start paying that. Hopefully once we start getting those funds in, we may be able to pay the state's portion with some of that reimbursement. So hopefully that'll go away. The next part is just other services. This is where we pay for like our minor items like our text alert system. So we have when we do a general alarm, we can do it through Metro, but also we can do it through our personal cell phones or our work phones. We'll just send a a text to a certain phone number and it sends out an emergency text to all fire department personnel. Next is our EMS supply budget, our 4610. This one is pretty much staying flat.

Um, basically we pay for this. Um, we get our EMS funding usually in September, October sometimes. It just depends on when the state gives it to us. And we use our EMS funding to buy all of our medical supplies. And so we use that placeholder to pay for medical supplies from July one until we get state funding. And then we just have accounts in there, janitorial supplies. Next one, rent of equipment and machinery. Brian, if you can check out our Xerox machine, we have it at 3200. But we also have some from the fire funds that we set. Okay. So, if you need to cut out the $72 or whatever, that's fine. And then the miscellaneous subscription and dues, we just pay dues and uh pay for some magazine subscriptions and then TV and internet. Those are some of the items that we cannot pay with the fire fund. And that is the 101 budget. That is what the fire department receives from the city. Everything else comes out of fire funds and EMS funds.

Before you go, I'm sorry. Go back to that percentage increase of the fire in the 101. So his his percentage increase is only 27. The dollar amount is 1.445. Um I don't think so. 6.7 minus 5.3. That'd be a lot more than 1.4. But percentage wise, it only came out to 6% 27%. I'm sorry. Thank you. Like, man, I'm doing carbs. But again, if we if we freeze I just did a decimal point out of place. We freeze those two positions for a couple years, that'll save at least probably a couple hundred thousand dollar a year right there.

Yeah. And we can definitely do that. That seems like a reason. And when ER while Eric is here, if there is a claim or let's say there's a house structure fire that the house burns down, does the city get reimbursed from from the insurance company?

No, we don't charge for that, mayor. But there you do bring up one thing. So, we do charge for hazmat incidents. When we respond to a hazardous materials incident, we can charge the company. Um, don't have a whole lot of hazmats that happen. The la the major one, last one we had was a train derailment. we build BNSF $22,000 and they they paid that like right away. But one thing that we can do that's allowed is since we have I40 running through the city, anytime we go to a motor vehicle accident involving a commercial motor vehicle, we can build our insurance company for our personnel and equipment that we use. We can also do that with other like regular motor vehicles. Insurance companies will pay fire departments to respond. I don't want to do that to our civilians. We have a lot of bad drivers in this city and we get a ton of car accidents and I don't want to charge regular citizens to us respond to a call. But I think that since we have I40 and we have a lot of commercial motor vehicles, if we're responding to these incidents because a lot of them are long-term incidents, we should be charging their insurance companies for that. And with our billing company that we have, they can they can do that already. So that's something that I can bring the city council in the next month or two setting up a proposal of how much how that would work. And again, it would just be commercial motor vehicles.

Okay. Just want me to go over the 206 and the 209 one up here? Yeah. Yeah.

So the next one is a 209 fire fund. So, basically in uh when you pay your insurance um usually your homeowners insurance or business insurance, there's a special insurance tax that goes onto that and that helps pay the fire funds through the New Mexico State Fire Marshall's Office. So, what they do is every year is they figure out how much is in that fund. They'll take out a certain amount for grants and then the rest of it goes to fire department. It's it's based on your ISO rating, the number of stations you have and the number of administration buildings you have. So there is a minimum that the state will give you and that's what I budget. So I budgeted $667,000 600 667066. That's a lot of sixes in the fire fund. Um 100,000 of that we take out to put into our vehicle replacement plan. So that leaves me $56706 to fund the fire department.

Say that three times fast. So, I underbudget. Last year, I underbudgeted by almost 200,000. I would rather underbudget than overbudget because it's easier to be like, "Oh, here's our Christmas list instead of what are we going to cut?" So, I usually underbudget by 150 to 200,000 because we don't know what we're going to get from the state until May or June sometimes, sometimes July. What is our ISO rating? Right. Currently, we're an ISO rating of three and we'll be going through an ISO rating audit here within the next couple months.

So, you understand this one and the LAPF that the police have are the only two grants that we budget in advance of getting the actual award letter because DFA requires it. So, we'll we'll probably be back before you um after the first quarter with an adjustment if the fire comes in at a higher rate, which is what we're hoping for. And he'll get that money allocated at that time.

Same thing we did last year. So, basically, the state allows us to use the fire funds for anything that we need for the operations of the fire department except for payroll and benefits. I can't pay personnel out of it. Um if they allowed us then fire chiefs all over the state would be making their salary would be half a million dollars a year. Right. And then the other fund that we get paid out of is the 206 which is the EMS funds. The percent I'm sorry um the percent on this one Patty. So he's showing a 34% increase. But this one is um he gets the award and he tries to get it all spent. It just varies from year to year to how much he gets. Yeah. It's not the same number every year. Yeah.

Yeah. depends on how much insurance tax is collected. Uh the final budget that we get is the 206 which is the EMS funds. We don't get that till later in the year. Um for years and years and years we were getting like 13 to $15,000 a year and that's what we would use to buy all of our medical equipment which was horrible. We're in the process of buying a new gurnie right now. Just a gurnie 60,000. Cardiac monitors are 30 to 40,000. the state changed that because cities couldn't survive. So last year was the most we ever got and we got 85,000 um from EMS funds and again we don't know what we're going to get until later this year. You don't know what you get. So you didn't budget

right? So this we don't budget anything until we

because it varies you know from year before last we were at 15,000 then we went to 85,000 and basically what they do for the EMS funds is they base it off the number of calls that you respond to how many times an ambulance was there. There's lots of factors that go into it. So we have no idea what we'll get with that. I'll stand with for any questions. Um, no. Good. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor Councel. Okay. Um, next up is Parks. Well, Vince actually will have a couple of them, but we'll bring him up to to keep the show rolling. He's doing his jig all the way up here. He didn't fall asleep with the carbs yet. His department shows an $8,000 decrease, which is 1%. And he's the one that keeps offering up cuts.

Negative 1%.

Yeah. Negative 1%. Good afternoon, mayor and council, city family, um, parks department. We have 26 employee. We have 26 positions, 14 FTEEs, and 12 seasonal people. And I must say that we can't survive without our seasonal people. So we're we're fortunate to have that. I know a lot of departments don't. They are only on for six months overtime. And I I I heard what everybody was talking about a little bit ago, but I not just because it's us, but I really believe that we're very frugal in our ask for overtime. I'm only asking for $30,000 in overtime. Um, be with the amount of people, the amount of events, and all the wonderful holiday holidays the city has has so graciously given to employees, my people don't get to enjoy, and that's okay. It's nature of the beast. But, um, with $30,000, I don't think that's a that's a big ask. So hopefully we won't I won't have to reduce that number. Um the only ones mayor and council know the only the only the line as far as building and maintenance. I think I only got I got two departments that get building and maintenance money. The building and maintenance money we get for for um parks is for it's for graffiti and that's what we use that's what we use that money for. I've asked for 6,000 this year. Nothing else. There's nothing else really spectacular out there that stick that sticks out. Um I say we try to we try to live within our means. We got no big, you know, with the CIP and the money that we get with CIP, that helps us a lot with different

things we want to do. So um we can we can survive. And the other thing, if I don't mind, you don't mind if I I'll back up a little bit. I'll go into a little bit of history. This we need to be careful with this overtime deal. And I understand we want to cut. When I came back to work in 2010, I was charged with a couple of things. The first thing I was charged sports commission had a file of concern concerns and complaints about that thick that I had to address from my first 10 months back. And the other one was similar to what's going on now. They're talking about overtime cuts, ways to save money. And what happened then was within parks and wreck, they closed all the facilities during holidays. they um limited in overtime and stuff like that and that was one of the things I was charged with why all the all the facilities were closed during I mean people need some place to go during holidays you have to open and you need you need these I mean you it's quality of life you got to be open for the people so that's and overtime the overtime deal there was it's it's about um resource management you got to be able to manage your resources I got a lot of people. I shuffle them all over the place to accommodate wherever they're needed. So, um, and that's in that's across the board. As far as parks, as far as parks, that's any that's really all that stands out as far as unless the council wants to address something. Patty, you want to address something? Parks? Yeah.

Um, did you put anything in the YCC budget or is that just our one individual? That's just the one. Well, he's on the next one. He's 3054. Josh is in 3054. That's right. Okay. So, you want to do cemeteries next? Yes, please. All right. 3053.

Mayor Council 3053 is is a courthouse. Um, the only thing I put in the courthouse this year other than our our our regular budget. What um is I put an extra $40,000 in there. I'd like to put two new pillars up at the courthouse square. We we've been hanging our hat on waiting for our our state representatives to allocate funds so we can do that. Um, and I think we need to come we we need to come to the forefront and do some some of this stuff on our own. So that's 40,000 of that for two new pillars.

His his budget on this one because we haven't been doing very much. So he's up over 300%. He's got a $57,000 increase initiative. Um but I think Vince you found a way to like redo the skin on him that made it le Yes. those pillars.

What they were doing before mayor and council, they had to re anytime we had vandalism or anything else, they had to replace the entire the entire panel. And now because of the way they're doing it, they're it's actually a film. So they're putting a film on there. So they just it's it's minimal compared to what it was costing before. That artist we have is is looking out for our best interest. Um and with the help of purchasing the these guys have been great. They've been they've been uh they've been doing these pillars since it since it happened it first started in 2006. So, they're great. The other one we have, just so the mayor and council will know, and in supplies at $8,000 that five, six years, eight years ago, we we absorbed handling the gallop flag. veterans helping veterans initially was doing that, but because they're those guys are were were all aging, they got to climb the hill. So, my guys took care of it. We purchased the flags and those big flags, they're 20 by 30 flags. Those things ain't they're very expensive. Um, luckily luckily for us, I have Denise and she found she l did some research and found them a little less expensive. We replace those things about every 3 months. So we're paying about 900 bucks a piece. Very expensive. It was courthouse square. That's that's all I got there. This mayor and council has any questions.

Nope. So for 30 354 this is just our YCC supervisor. We don't cover any operational expenses under I don't know if you guys want have questions about the YCC program in general. That one won't get budgeted until we get the contract of award funding. Who is the coordinator? Oh, we pay the person with this.

Yeah, we we what we found was trying to hire an individual seasonally was really hard. We had one person on contract and we found some issues with that over time. So, the county helps fund this position and we keep the guy full-time. He's an excellent resource and Vince is able to keep him fully occupied. There's no question that he doesn't sit idle.

Yes. As a matter of fact, there council I've actually this year petty I've asked for $800 in overtime for Josh because I'm I'm hoping to send him into, you know, some trainings. Um Josh is a young man. I think he'll be around the city for a long time. I hope he will. It seems that he seems to love what he's doing during the offseason. Yes, he assists in parks in our parks efforts. He um goes and sits goes to job fairs and it's always YCC, but he's there for parks and um I'd also if if you go down to training and a little bit in here, I apologize.

I want to go to training. I want to go to um 4704. I'd like to up that to 8,000. Patty, I'm sorry. I actually got we actually got an invitation for Josh to attend and become a certified trail builder. Unfortunately, we got that we got that invitation too late into the season, so I wasn't able to even look into it. But I'd like to get him to go to that next year on top of all the other training he goes to. I think it'll benefit the program. Um and and and Mr. Basil would be a certified trail builder and I think it'd be great for YCC. That that particular program has been around since 2003. So we're 23 years into it and I'm hoping it never goes away. We've already received our contract. It's been taken to the council. Um I'm thinking we're they authorized 212,000 something like that. What was it, Brandon? 18th. So, we're we're ready to roll. We're taking um applications now. Talked with Natasha yesterday. We've already got nine apps in. So, that program we we fill up all those slots pretty easily.

Okay. Any questions for um the YCC program? Oh, it's 72 to 85. I'll increase. It's

18%. It's It's 19% increase. It's an increase. And And do we get This is all funded by the city. We don't get any federal or state or any money like that.

Not for this one. the the grant program does not cover for the supervisor. Um we that's part of our match and we've been successful most years in billing the county for 40,000 to help contribute towards this. I'm not sure they've uh been participating in the last year or so. But we we need to review all of those those agreements with the county and make sure that because you'll see one here in a little bit that's causing me great grief. Okay, no more questions.

All right, next. This one is Harold Reynolds 13547 as a budget team. We had great discussion on this. Vince kick her next. Which one do you want to do next? Well, no. was you had her own you said cuz I got LBM next. Oh, LBM 3544. I'm trying to get through this.

It's okay. We're just Anyway, um Mayor and Council, uh Larry Brian Mitchell, we have six employees, three FTEEs, three part-time. This partic this particular facility is open six days a week, including holidays. Um, we run from 8:00 in the morning till 9 at night Monday through Friday and an abbreviated day on Saturdays from 8:00 in the morning till 4 in the afternoon. Um, LBM, again, I did ask for a little bit of overtime because with that with that those kind of extended days and and and extended hours, things happen. People get sick, they can't make it, and I need people to cover. But I've only asked for uh $2,000. Our big our biggest ask is going to be um related to GBL. GBL is a good program. That is our Gallup Youth Basketball. And um the more people we put on the court, the more professional service we use. We got to pay our officials. We pay our officials um $20 million a game, which nowadays that's that's a pretty cheap rate. So, but LBM, just so the mayor and council will know, anything that any revenue we generate within recreation, regardless if it's recreation, Herold Reynolds, aquatics, golf course, any revenue we generate goes back into the general fund. Now, it might be just a small percentage of what we're asking, but it does knock off some off the top. like uh for instance, we've got we made like $9,000 in our in our

daily deposits for G uh for Larry Brian. We've had about 31,555 patrons walk through the door for for the fis for last fiscal year. GY bail staff made um $21,000 in registrations and $11,000 in admission. We charge a dollars to get into the games. And so that little that little program is taking off. Unfortunately, it's at a small window. So it uh we start in October and we have our tournaments in in February. There any questions I got for Albian?

Um just so that the income will offset this in in the budget. Yeah. So we we've already accounted for that and for the current current year on Larry Brian he's at 55,000 income but you it's not accounted in these line items. Oh, it doesn't show it. Okay. And and so on this one, he has increased his his ask overall. It's up $178,000, which is And um what was the biggest item? The one that increased it. It's for his contract labor is one. That's actually

that was only back up to see the high one. Well, your wages are up overall. Well, I think that had to do probably with thank goodness for the increases and and we're finally pretty much fully staffed. So, we're running we're actually we're actually getting ready to fill Well, that's lead position that's in Herald Reynolds has got nothing without being Yeah. But because it'sund it's almost 180,000. What was the big item? Wages is one of them and that one actually is supposed go up to wages Patty if you can. got a maintainer here and I just call general. Okay. Yeah.

And then of course the the FICA and the accompany that. Say that again. I said of course when the labor goes up the FICA and the social security and the Medicaid and the retirement accompany the Thank you. Thanks, Vince. Yes, sir. Uh

now you want to do Harold Reynolds. Uh, Harold Reynolds. Unfortunately, Harold Reynolds. Um, not it's things that Harold Reynolds ain't ain't what it should be. Again, I'm going have to go back in history. I trying to get too longwinded of um when we first opened up Harold Reynolds and I think probably the I think councelor Garcia was was probably the second year during the McKenna administration. We opened up Harold Reynolds. As you know, the we covered up the pool. We put put a walking track in there and it there was there was a lot of controversy. So, one of the things we did when we opened up Peril Reynolds was that was going to be the only place we weren't going to charge. So, we didn't charge. And the numbers over there as far as patrons were through the roof. Um well, after CO, of course, we all know CO knocked our socks off. So when we opened back up, we had a a city council meeting in December of of um 21 and we we we had the Herald Reynolds people on Furlow and we opened up Harold Reynolds in May of 22, but at that time we decided to implement the fee and it has affected that door swinging both ways tremendously. I mean, it's amazing what a difference a dollar would make. And I understand, you know, I I people have kids. Times are hard for everybody. But I I'll give you an example. Right now, we've um we've had 5,000 last fiscal year, we had 5,481 people walk through the doors. In 2015, when we first opened up, we had

8,400 people. 2016 we had 24 I'm sorry 8 8,400 people. 2016 we had 24,000. 2017 we had 32,000. 2018 we had 38,000. And in 2019 we had 49,000 people walk through those doors. Um and what what I'm getting to is I would really like the council to consider there's different options out there. I know and I know we're talking money. and no money don't grow on trees to give that facility back to the community for free. I mean that that's what I would hope. Right now we've already reduced our hours. We open that place at 1:00 in the afternoon and we close it at night at night. When we first open we were open from the at 10:00 in the morning till 9 at night and I was open half a day on Saturdays. Saturday is no longer part of the equation. And it's not it's not the staff not trying. It's not the staff not coming up being created with programs. It's just just can't get people in there. I'm sorry. We got pickle ball. We got soccer. Kids soccer, adult soccer. We got um um little talk groups and um walking. The senior walking counselor and I have the list over there. There's a lot of programs. We have like 10 different programs over there. It just can't fill up the slots.

I have a question. Um, yes. Well, like I said, we were our our last our last um numbers in 2019, we were getting we were get we had 49,000 people walk through the doors. 49,000. And the whole f the whole year of 20 fiscal year 2025, we only had 5,000 people. Wow.

So, it's it's huge. It's huge the amount of people that we're not getting anymore. Um, we made we made $5,800 in daily deposits last fiscal year.

$5,800 to match your 5800P annual deposit. Thank you. Thanks. Yeah, I think yeah, I'll ask a question.

Yeah, you know, um it's the numbers are going to go up because of course, you know, our senior centers being built and we're even um getting them already used to seniors to use those facilities. So, those numbers are going to go up and I know our seniors don't want to pay. They will not pay that $1. Um, Mayor Depal, Councelor Garcia, thank you for that. Matter of fact, I've already we and U. Steve Wargood already had some conversations what we're going to try to do to encourage that, but it's just I mean, you know, it's myself I think it'd be a good thing, but I hate to drop that on the mayor and council when we're talking about all this money that we don't have, but um, no, Harold Reynolds budget's small anyway. I think we're I think it's $110,000. Well, with with payroll you're at 158,000.

We'll just have it in mind, you know, and see where the senior center once it gets opened and right and Her by the way only has three has uh three employees and actually our lead person is vacant. They're going to be interviewing. So, I got one FTE and three part-time for Harold Reynolds

percentage. Patty, since you got that one is at a 36% increase uh $41,000.

Just a quick comment also. So, I mean, I I understand the sentiment and I I'm not going to say whether we can do it or not, but if we were to not charge anyone and we think we would get more people, then would that result in needing more staff because now there's more people because you said at one point, I mean, it was like triple the amount of people coming. So, then my worry would be that we're not charging, which would be great, but then we have to add more people and more hours because now we've seen triple or double in the amount of um community members coming. So those are just things I think we need to think about because then that would increase the budget but we revenue. So just things to think about councelor P that you know that is a good question but with one full-time employee and um the three part-time we were we were able to man it before. Now I'm not going to say that I might have to eat my words but we were able to man it before. I I would like to ask the council to look at the location. Um it it's right there as as we heard in the last council meeting Tuesday night. Um when McGee's donated that canyon land to Gallop Housing Authority for low-income housing. So So we're serving a lot of kids in lowincome housing where we think a dollar if if a family of five takes their kids down there, it's it's $5. Well, if that adds up several days a week, they can't sustain that for a month. So, the location is going to be targeting our seniors, which most are on fixed income. Um, our lowincome families from that that those homes right there with Gallup Housing Authority. Um, I mean, we're giving the golf course away at at $10 a round and $5 for a second round. So, quadruple those costs and and and put the put the targeted community here of lowincome fixed income at free and and not the ones who can afford 13 $1,400 clubs. Well, on that note, Vince, I just want

to say that I I uh support your suggestion and it's a and it's a great need for that neighborhood. You know, I I represent um that district and that income portion of seniors and and the others. So, thank you for that suggestion. Thank you, Coach Negia. Next one. Next up will be the aquatic center.

Yeah, mayor and council aquatic center. We have 24 positions at that facility. Three are FTEES. One of course is our supervisor. The second is a head guard position that we have not been able to fill for three years. And the third is our CPO, our pool maintainer. And the rest of course are WSIS, um, first aid, and just a a bunch of kids from school that come over here and help us out. Without them, we couldn't make it either. But as far as aquatic center, I did ask for overtime for the same reason. Things come up. We have some issues where they got a backwash and stuff after hours early morning. I bring in our CPO. So, I asked for $1,500 for overtime. Our building, our building maintenance, I mean equipment maintenance was $50,000. That unfortunately, as my pool supervisor calls it, she just our pool, she just continues to break down. She's 20 years old and um but thank goodness we have Anthony there because he knows how to massage her and keep her going. We're talking about a piece of equipment back there going in object.

Mindset, guys. Mindset. Please. At least we know everybody's awake. Yeah. Building maintenance. We have our building maintenance. We're aquatic center gets a gets quite a bit of building maintenance because we we decided 10 12 years ago that the issues there are specialized specialized equipment. So we need our own building maintenance money. Yeah. And this is also a shared cost

with 20% if anything over $10,000 with the Minik High Schools. Well, the the 70 is that we went from 411 to 70. Did the 411 include the was that the total minus the shared 4? Yeah. So 411 is what we actually paid in 2025 for for building maintenance. Um we'd have to take a few minutes to look up what all that was. We replastered. Oh, that's right. Substantially.

Thanks to Alicia, we were able to replen. Even though this is a cost share, um, we have to budget for the full amount in order to even pay the bills. But GMCS, they pay it in the next year. They wait till the audit's done, then I have to send them everything, which I'm fixing to do because our audit will be on the next council agenda. Then I can actually bill them for their 20% for last fiscal year. So, we budget an estimated revenue amount in it every year for their reimbursement, but they're on a one-year lag. Thank you, Patty. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Those go out every year. We won't talk about the death though.

Um aquatic center last last fiscal we generated about $65,000 in revenue. Um we had about 23,000 people go through the doors and we're trending for about the same number this year. So, the pool is used and we're open seven six days a week um Tuesday through Sunday.

Any other questions? Mayor, I have a question. It kind of relates to Vince's department to others and and if just tell me if I missed this earlier when I was on Zoom, I might have because I heard the kind of overtime and then I had it cut out. Are we Just remind me, are we spending so much more on overtime? I know it's necessary, but because we're also just not finding employees, like because it seems like more cost- effective if we could find employees instead of paying overtime, but we're just not f we're not getting the employees to be hired, right? And so then as a result, we have to do overtime. Does that is that sound accurate?

It it's there's a variety of reasons and it depends on the fund and and the department and what they're doing. In some areas, they're fully staffed on normal situations. they've they've got a good workload and a and a good ratio of employees to workload, but then things come up like special events where we're tasked to you need to be at, you know, downtown for the these events. You need to be here and there. And so we talked a little bit about getting a little more creative with our scheduling and maybe give some some flex time off to try and keep that overtime down. But in other areas where they, you know, police and fire are the our biggest drivers of overtime, they have minimum staffing period. They don't get to send the guys home just because they were in court five days this week and pulled some shifts. So, it's it's I I went through it during our break and I think I can cut maybe about 40,000 out of the proposed budget and general fund for overtime, but that's and and we will, but that's just there's just only so much we can control when it comes to the need for the

Thanks. and just and back to the parks and I'll I'll get off the podium is that when I did come back as well um parks department was paying about $80,000 in overtime that was unheard of and that was the other thing I was asked to address why so now we're back at 30 and 50% more events it's doable after this I need to get with you to verif Okay. Council, thank you. Thank you, Patty. What are the limits of the 280 cannabis fund for what they is? It can only go for like certain things in parks and wreck.

The council chose to buy resolution to dedicate it 100% to parks and wreck for equipment. And um we we're only on year two or year three. We've built up a small amount in there. We're going to be using about half of that in the upcoming year for some of the initiatives that we discussed the last yesterday and then last week, but that was dedicated by resolution. Okay. So, equipment would not include, for example, the roof at the aquatic center.

No, that's building maintenance and it'd be kind of a stretch, but there's not enough money in there to do it. We have enough money in in the 376 fund for that, the building renewal and replacement. So the funding for that's not going to be an issue this upcoming year. Okay. Thank you. All right. Moving on. Museum is up and that's department 4005. That is a new department. So last year there was zero. So her increase is 100%. What's 100% a zero,

right? Yeah, the computer even errors out on that one, so I don't feel bad.

Council, um, for the museum, we do have three full-time positions. Two are currently filled. Um, I'm working on rewriting the job description for our educator to try to get more appropriate applicants. We've tried a couple of times and haven't gotten a lot of response. and then haven't shown up for interviews. Um, so yeah, we're working on that. Not sure that mine is in the same order. It is. Um, we can cut out the overtime obviously. Um, Verna is hourly, but I'll just continue working the six days of the week. Um, and yeah, do you guys have any specific questions for anything? Um, our supply line is kind of high. That is mostly because I need to buy um supplies specifically for the collection. So, that is, you know, acidfree or buffered and unbuffered things. It's just slightly more expensive than um normal office supplies. But, we do also need office supplies as well because we're pretty new. We don't have a um stash basically of anything. So trying to buy up a lot of stuff. Um have if you want to cut more stuff from ours, I do have things I have earmarked Patty to.

So the one thing I did mark did have written down is this non-cap the 4620. This is a duplicate. So So I will be I'll remove it from here and then the capital for sure. Uh that was the one also it I did have a subscription here to add Adobe Creative Cloud but are we doing all of that through it now? Okay. So that can come out of the subscriptions and dues. Then your 40 that is your 4714 correct and it's the first one. It was $550 for $450

550. Roll to the top. Petty

three. How many? Full time. Three. Yeah. Three. Yeah, we have me as the curator, a clerk, and an educator. The educator is currently open. There's someone at Red Rock Park. Me. Okay. So, we go back and forth.

Yes. The county opens that the county is supposed to open that building during the week. Um, we won't talk about all the times they don't or that I go out there and it's closed, but and then I open it on Saturdays and work it by myself. No, I'm salary. We try. I was just telling Matt I would really like to move to the same schedule like the aquatic center and do Tuesday through Sunday, but that still makes Monday a day off for me. That is never a day off. So,

yeah. Any other questions? No. Any other questions? No. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. Along. Up next will be the Elmoro.

And since Jared's not here, apparently we're not getting popcorn. And Warner Brothers. We barely got Warner Brothers back last year and this year we got Universal back.

Four. Yeah, that's what I was just making.

Right. So, he'd end up we we're adding one and a half FTEEs overall, but that'll give him three full-time and three part-time, six total. Oh yeah, it's called Cinema Con.

Yes. Oh, This there we go. Uh him and his staff are constantly at all of our events, all at the community events that are held downtown. Um they're they're involved um they're involved with Arts Crawl. They were involved uh a few weeks ago when when the event um our uh St. Patrick's Day, they had a band playing on the stage. They had their concession open. So this is a good draw to bring people downtown. I think the soda fountain will bring even more people downtown and and I fully support um these small increases and if you have any specific questions direct them that direction

is is my microphone yes you know one of the things we have to look for Gallup being that I have a bunch of friends that are actors one particular is a Gallup film festival you know we did we have one we had one last year. Last year, right? And that was that the first one? Um, no, I believe we performed one a year before last year. We've had him since he's been here. Yeah. And if I'm not mistaken, to downtown. It's not going to be in It might be with Elmoro. Um, but KnifeWing was talking about bringing back the alien I want to say UFO UFO festival type thing, which was also a very large draw, especially with a lot of people from out of town.

Yeah, the U. Matt can Matt can help us on event such and all these events bringing money that's the key to offset this mayor council we the gallop film festival will be May 9th and 10th at Elmoro and then we are looking at bringing back the UFO film festival later in the year thank you Matt

Jared and I have been been talking about his his growth plan and what he's doing if you didn't see his little display in the back it's really nostalgic he let us sample one of those little soda things. It's like this biders type thing for your sodas. It's really fun and creative. But his goal is to turn this into an enterprise fund. So once he can break even on this, then we can move him to an enterprise fund. And that kind of changes the rules and how how we approach his funding and and his management of of that whole enterprise. And so he's growing quickly. He's not going to get there right away. His total costs are a little over 600,000. So he's he's more than 25% of the way there and creating his own funding. And I think it's great.

Any other questions? Thank you. Yeah. Hopefully we'll see you guys tomorrow for his chili in the afternoon. Yeah. Chili. Yeah. Thank you guys. Chili hot dog. Hot dogs and nachos. His department the spending is up 289,000 which is actually 86%. He's so small it's see right gross but but it couldn't that it's hard on this one because of the offset with you said he's already up he's already 101,000

and he's actually got a little more than that coming in. We're working on his revenue reporting. There's there's a glitch in his online sales that he's not picking up in his reports but we're capturing them on this side. All right, we have if I've got if I hadn't skipped anybody yet, this is our final general fund department, which is a library. And with that, we have Tammy 5055. Now, we did move some of her staffing around. We moved her maintenance under um Lawrence's fund. We moved her IT under IT. And so her spending is down by 9500 which is 1%.

Oh well, Council Mayor uh as uh councelor Yazy had asked for some context for what we're asking. I'll give you the story of the Octavia Film Public Library. It has been the cornerstone of the Gallup community for over a 100red years. The city marked the library centennial in 2022. Today, it operates two locations, a main library which was built in 1951 with later expansions and a children's branch which opened in 2003 and a repurposed old bank building. This split arrangement, initially meant to be temporary, poses challenges for families who must visit two sites for service. Neither building meets modern needs. Neither building has a fire suppression system in it. They're not ADA compliant. Despite facility limitations, OFPL proudly serves not just the city of Gallup, which is a population of 22,000 as you know, but also all of McKinley County, including neighborhood neighboring Navajo and Zouri communities, effectively serving a re regional population of more than 70,000. Demand for OFPL services is higher than ever. Annual visitors counts have rebounded dramatically. Pre- pandemic, we were looking at 225,000 people through the doors every year in that library. Uh after COVID, we started with 9,300 visits in 2020 to 2021. That skyrocketed to 119,385 visits in 23 and 24. And this last fiscal year, over 125,000 people coming in. This is reflecting the community's renewed engagement with the library. The library has over 41,000 registered members, nearly double the city's population, and circulates more than

70,000 items per year, indicating robust usage of its collections. Every day, residents rely on OFPL as a critical access point for learning and technology. Last year, patrons logged 13,968 public computer sessions and over 55,000 Wi-Fi sessions, bridging the digital divide for those without home internet. The library's extensive programming, hundreds of events annually, engages all ages. Last year, OFPL hosted 860 programs with 18,822 total attendees, ranging from children's story hours to acupuncture clinics. These free programs along with services like research help, technology training, makers activities, and cultural events underscore the library's vital educational and social role in an area where school resources are limited. Gallup School District of 12,000 plus students has only one certified librarian. They have not bought any new books for their libraries since 2018. In short, OFPL functions as a hub for literacy, lifelong learning, and community outreach for Gallup and beyond. Beyond traditional library services. Okay. Of actively supports local economic and creative initiatives. Its maker space provides tools and training for entrepreneurs and artisans in a region where nearly 25% of residents earn income through traditional arts or creative industries. This effort was recently recognized with a $100,000 creative industries grant from the state underscoring the rural library's role in workforce development and Gallup's artisan economy. The library offers career certificates, small business support, and digital skills program as well. OFPL also serves as a cultural center, hosting exhibits, intergenerational storytelling ex events, and culturally relevant programs that celebrate the rich indigenous and

multicultural heritage of McKinley County. To meet growing demands and correct facility shortcomings, Gallup is planning a new 45,000 foot regional library designed with community input and indigenous informed D design principles. This future library, the concept which was approved by the city council in 2024, will consolidate the two current branches into one state-of-the-art campus with dedicated spaces for youth activities, study rooms, expended expanded technology centers, and fluid indooroutdoor gathering areas. The vision is a multi-use space that is community centered, culturally inclusive, and sustainable, effectively a civic hub for the next century. Planning has been underway since 2013. The site secured in downtown Gallup in 2021. Design completed in 2024. Funding is the next hurdle. The project is estimated at 44.3 million with the vast majority of the money to be raised. A capital campaign is in progress to secure state, local, and private support. But why build a new library now? Because the need is clear. Of's usage has exploded. nearly 120,000 visitors every year and every square foot is maximized. The new facility will finally provide adequate space for programs and collections, ensure safety, and honor the community's diverse cultures in its design. For a community that ranks among the most underserved in education and broadband access, this library will be much more than a building. It will be a regional lit knowledge center created makers maker space and south and sorry safe public space that supports the social determinance of health, education, information access, cultural vitality for Gallup and the surrounding area. So I actually handed you something that I gave you in the last

meeting that we have. So the first two pages really talks about Octavia Felon Public Library. The mission being that Octavia Felon Library is to nurture and enrich our community through the exploration of ideas and information to honor local heritage and create new traditions and to empower the people to engage with the world in person, online, and through spaces designed for collaboration, learning, and economic growth. You'll see the staffing. We have 21 staff members. We've lost two in this process. We have 29 volunteers that worked with us last year. You have a list of the different positions there. Our core our equity, excellence, empowerment, education, expansion, civility, innovation, and sustainability. You have our core services listed that you can go through which highlights a lot of our programming that you may or may not be familiar with. And then when you get to the third page, you will see that there you have the breakdown of fiscal 25 actuals, which is what we're comparing, fiscal 27-year ask, and then notes on what each of those are so that you have that at your fingertips. Just to highlight unless you have specific questions, I'll just go through line by line. We've got travel first. The budget request supports for the library staff to attend national conferences, workshops, and training to enhance professional development, expand resources, improve library services for the community. There are some examples here of conferences, meeting workshops, and training. This is even more vital because at the beginning of the year, we were told we all had to do professional development plans and that we would be looking at merit-based pay. Our staff work very hard on their professional development plans and with 21 staff paying for these different trainings and conferences can be expensive, but we've actually reduced that since uh 2025. So,

we're asking for $9,500 there. Next is the uh maintenance building maintenance that in 2025 was 400. We have a zero ask in that because it was transferred. maintenance of equipment. In 2025, our actual is $2,23. This year, we're asking for $18,700. So, you see a a very sizable increase. You'll see under the notes that um this is support for our wide text scanner. So, we digitize um the primary source records of the city. We have the archives for the city and we do a lot of digitization with that. And then we also have selfch checkckout machines and an outdoor locker. This is where you see the big increase. The outdoor lockers maintenance is $15,000 a year and the selfch checkckout machines. And then the oversiz scanner is $1,200 a year. So I think that you can remove the $2,500 for the janitorial equipment since that'll be transferred into facilities and I assume that will go on Lawrence's budget. The next is contractual services. This is for professional services. you'll see um a drop or an increase. Fiscal year 25 was 32,275. That had to do with the design concept of the new new library. We are asking for 64,000. Now, the big jump in that is a $54,000 ask to hire a campaign consultant for the new for the capital campaign for the new library. So, if we're not going to pursue that this year, you would be able to drop that 54,000 to a different year. which would take that that ask down substantially.

We still we still don't have a site selected, correct?

Nope. We're still waiting on a work session with council, but I heard in our last meeting there were several sites being considered is what was said in the last meeting. So, I'm hoping that's not too far off. So, something for you to consider. If we're not going to pursue the the library this year, then again, you can reduce that $54,000 because that's for a consultant to help us with the capital campaign right now. And you have a justification there in your notes. You guys have thoughts on that? Mayor, I'd like to request just that we figure out a time to have a I know, you know, management's been looking at sites, but I just like to request we set a time for council to discuss it because I don't think a meeting has been scheduled for that.

Um I thought we do we're going to have discussion on the 27th that board meeting that you're coming to. Yeah. And that's not on the agenda for the sites unless you have sites you want to present. So we will update the library advisory board on what the subcommittee has been doing but we presented the five sites and they were all denied. So the five sites that we had looked at now we're looking at new sites but in the last in the capital meeting it was said that you guys had a few sites that were on the table. which which

they were the sites that were brought up that by in in that meeting that you asked me to pursue. Which which five sites were presented? Was that recently or was that that was in January? So um we presented five possibilities I can send them to you but they were all actually said no none of them they all dead end. So the only one that was possible was the one outside of the fitness center and it's not big enough the footprint is it? So we had discussed possibly tearing the fitness center down and integrating a new fitness center into the library as a mixeduse space then that would work but that's totally up to Vince. So if Vince isn't down for that then no. I

I thought we were had some bid input on that. Is that go ahead Frank? What do we

Well, that that was that was one. Um next to the the fitness center, then we'd have to acquire some land from Gal Bland Partners to the west of it to to able to fit. Um I I don't really want to look at tearing down a building to spend another 10 $15 million to build another building, adding to the cost. It's going to take us long enough to raise the money as it is. That'll just put the whole project further on. Second second one was to the south end of the sports complex in the parking lot which would be some potential drainage problems. And that's also where Vince has been planning the expansion of the sports complex to be more family oriented versus just the more adults and high school sports. Third one was next to Ellis Tanner. Um that one if you look at the mine map that is on our line where we we plot mines that is huge huge shafts. We're talking hundreds of shafts under it. And I would question the feasibility when we study the land. The next one was the sheriff the current sheriff's building that the county is looking at having to tear down due to the structural instab stability. Um, luckily the mine st shaft stopped there. So I had pitched to the committee at that point going across the street to the south next to 505. It's some land owned by one of the Depali families here in Gallup. So we're contacting them to see if they will sell not not our mayor. Uh uh looking to see if they will look at selling to the city, donating, trading or or such. That's one of them I'm pursuing. And then of course the other one was the the current selection which is between second and third street on the north side which is a huge contamination problem as Mr. Strain talked about during the last meeting and then will conflict with the second third street

possible rail relocation.

Can I can I just jump in? I also want to make it um to council that I know you're really tied into your con conceptual design um Tammy, but it is a conceptual design. It's not a a set of plans. It's not a um complete design. It's a conceptual design. And I just want to put it out there that design should be made to a sni a site, not the other way around. And so you you you create a lot of hurdles by sticking to a design that doesn't necessarily sit a fit a sight. So it's a conceptual design. It's not a full-on um set of plans. I think that was explained in the capital meeting that we had as well. So there was also the Lowe's site which was a possibility and then a Lance somebody a developer came in and bought that. That was the other site that we talked about. But what about the Steve Gurley property? Wasn't that the one right and next to the Elmoria?

Okay, because that's that's probably the most bene probably the best site there is. Good access top of the hill. So So north of Lincoln once you drive down Aztec before you get to the old Aztec theaters. Mhm. There's all those car lots. Steve wants to sell all that.

Well, we do have $200,000 for land acquisition. We really and so I want to emphasize here this is not my library. This is not my design. This was designed with the community for the community. And it took two years of community input to get to this design. So I'm not holding on to this design as a personal choice. I am representing the community and advocating for the community and all. So it has nothing to do with me, but we did put a lot of time and effort into this. And so if you want to start from scratch at a new site, then we will need those professional services funding. So, keeping that in mind, it go ahead.

Um, mayor, I just had a comment. Um, Tammy, yeah, I I think you guys have done a lot of work and I, you know, I kind of agree with both. I think from my perspective, it seems like if we could find land, right, because I mean, like that's the big thing and maybe the designs that the committee suggested just didn't work for, you know, all these different reasons that city manager just mentioned. But if there are other suggestions, mayor, like you just said, that we could bring to the committee and say, "Hey, this is an area you just might not be aware of and we're aware of it and this might be a possible." And then I don't know, but you know, if we could figure out the land, then maybe the committee would be like, "Hey, we're willing to kind of adjust these designs because obviously if we don't have land or space, we have no new library." So at least I would imagine the community and the committee would be willing to readjust the design, you know, to fit the land because we we need land. I mean like there's otherwise there's just no new library. So I think to me that's our first step and that we should suggest work together to suggest new areas cuz it kind of feels like we've come to like a standstill of like the committee has come to us with ideas for various reasons like city manager mentioned you know um not enough space or the landmines obviously though we don't want that but that's fine but then we need to come up with a new location that is feasible understanding there might be some adjustments to the design plan this is just me speaking speaking, but like does that sound right to everyone? That sounds right to me. Yes, I really appreciate that. Yes.

Any other comments on that? Is do we have to have a site in design before we can start capital campaign? Well, we already started the capital campaign. We need that anyway is kind of my point. It's like it doesn't whatever we decide on site and design, might as well get started raising the money.

Yes. So the council approved that last year. So we already have been collecting money and we've accepted money from the state as well. So we are not misrepresenting this project as that we have a site that was insinuated in one of our meetings. I'm very transparent on what's happening just like here right now so that everybody knows it is a group project. It is not my project. So I want to emphasize that again. This is for the community not for Tammy Mo. Okay. So, moving on. The supply line is next. That's uh six.

Hold on real quick. Just just before so that before we move along. You actually only have $100,000 for land acquisition. You have two separate grants. You received one last year and that one strictly says plan, design, construct, furnish, and equip a regional library. So therefore, we cannot use that 100,000 for land acquisition because it's not noted in the legislative language. Now, the new grant that we have yet to receive um does state strictly only land acquisition. So, we can't um the the 100,000 you received last year, we can't use it to purchase any land. Only the 100,000 for this year. Representative Johnson says she will be willing to change the language on that. So, we can go back and have them change the language on that appropriation. A

and she can, but it probably won't be done until next legislative session. So, she's on the library advisory board, so she's aware of this. Okay. Supplies that we move on. Are we leaving the the 54,000 for the capital campaign or are we going to hold off until we have a site selected and a design in place? No. I think we leave it in. That's I mean like Sierra said, we you started it and site is probably I don't think people are going to give money in based on the site. I think they give money based on the library itself. So we have to do I I um unless we I don't see a reason to unless you want to reduce it amount. I mean I don't well

we we've gone through this is the last department and we have added into the budget. We haven't reduced anything yet. We've added about almost 200,000 so far. But are we taking out the uh janitorial expenses from earlier moving it to the Well, that doesn't really take away from the budget. Just moves it. Just moves it. But it'll still be funded by general fund.

Okay. Supplies are pretty close from the 2025 ask 6529 up to $6,250 or down. It's reduced actually. Those are for archival supplies and uh C library supplies. Then we have non-cap furniture and fixtures. It also reduced from $59,156 to $14,000. That's furniture for the main and children's library. Um, maker space furniture and equipment. We have uniforms. I have no idea why that's increased so much. So, it was 470 in 2025 and now it's $900. Maybe we have more employees now. I I do not have a firm answer for you on that. The audio visuals, um, these are all collection development costs, so that stays relatively the same. $25,000, $20,000 for adult books, $8,000 for Reference and Southwest, $18,000 for children's books. And periodicals, you'll see an increase in that. We offer um a vast array of periodicals in the library. It's a um bundled collection really. And so that the cost of that has gone up because of the publishers quote. We have recreational supplies. That is for all of our programming and maker spa space supplies. So you got 13,000 in programming supplies, 5,000 in maker space and outreach supplies. We have janitorial supplies. You see an increase there to $6,000. In 2025 it was 2,788. Um that is because that we have three buildings now that we would be taking care of. But that goes to I'm thinking Lawrence's budget. So that can come out of my budget. Then we have microforms and I see that

it was reduced. So in 2025 it was an ask of 2640. Let me get to this. And I have extended justifications for these if you need them. So the microforms are actually microfilm and so we asked in that for $4,300 and it was reduced to $800 by I'm imagining Patty because of the independent.

No. Yes. because of the independent, but this is for microfilming the independent. This is not for purchasing the independent. So, we still have microfilm that we need to process from all the independents this year and the missing independents. That would be this year's the 40. Well, no, it won't be bound until next year. So, that's why the microforms are there. We actually microfilm the major newspapers as libraries do. And so we have Navajo Times and we have the Independent. So we still have Independence to Microfilm.

So but the only So the independ the only for next year you went from 26 to 800 and that's just to cover essentially the Navajo Times because there ain't no more independent. Correct. Except for we have a collection of independents that have not been microfilmed because it's after the fact. So we send them out in different batches. So then we get the microphone out. We don't send them out all together. So, we still need that money if we're going to microfilm those the full run of the independent, which how much do you need to put back in

that? It would be total $4,300. So, it was 3500 for the independent that was removed and $800 for the Navajo Times that you can see on your sheet there. And if not, we won't microfilm them. They will just sit as loose newspapers. So, really use microfilm. Yes. Well, we took out everything that said Gallup Independent because the Gallop Independent had stopped publishing. I don't understand why you're still going to be doing that next year when we still have several months from the

um you know, um you made a one thing about the the scanning when you said you scan the city forms. Mhm. Um, is that the same stuff that Al's scanning too or what are you scanning? No, we have the archives for the city of Gallup. So, all of the different primary source materials, whether they're maps, whether they're somebody's notebooks, it could be photographs. So, digitizing all of that so it's available online for people to use in their research. Hey, where's And our request, do we have to go to the library? or you're not part of the

not a part of that. No, because that's records management. That's different than archives. So archives are really primary source materials. Record management is so that you're retaining your records for the time that you need legally and having them accessible. So it's a very different function records management from archiving. And so so microfilming uh the independent um and that's that. So I how do you know they were still microfilming? So they're still doing the microfilming. Absolutely. And there's a digital on a display through a PDF or what? Well, the microfilm. Yeah. Or is it still the old?

It's still microfilm and then you can export it to a PDF on your drive. So you can copy that as you're going through the microfilm and capture it. So you can capture your own copy. So the 4,300 takes us through the through the independent and then we're done. Yes. 35 3500. She had 3500 in that line. Her total was 4,300. So we'll reinstate. Can you do half this year and half next year? Is that could give you guys double that 800 to 16 or 1750? Whatever. Do half now and half later. That'll give someone something to do next year. I don't think they need anything extra to do. Just saying.

Drag it out because we've got more work for you. No, it's outsourced, so it wouldn't be done in-house anyways. So, we don't have the capability of making microfilm. Oh, okay. So, you're not making it our in the basement. It get it gets sent the So, the papers themselves get sent out. Correct. And it are they folded? Are they folded? No, they're flat. So you have Okay. So you have the flat. Okay. Yeah. And they're doing like a seams aren't going to come out too good on on the mic on the paper itself to the microfilm. So that's why it's so tiny and the library. I'm sorry. I don't mean to get off, but the newspapers don't do that themselves. Huh.

Well, some newspapers do, but not Mr. Zinger. He he did not. No, we have his We have his photographic archives, too. So, yeah. Okay. Well, if we can just do half for now and half later next year. Okay. So, we'll make that uh 2150. Well, it's ongoing. So, we we're all the way back in 2021 right now actually. So

annually now they're getting made.

Correct. Correct. So if we have if we need let's say there's a recre issue which is one of you know main things um you're we can go to the papers and find that. Yes sir. And and do digital searches if we do recra like RACA. Oh yeah. Okay. It'll be well worth it in that case. Radiation exposure compensation act. You know if we're anything anything that has to do with any of the contaminations because a lot of newspapers we use is actually to find contamination. You'd be surprised. We actually have a uranium work search station. So, we have a research station dedicated to exactly what you're talking about. Did you find the black and beach reports? I haven't. You guys are keeping me busy.

All right. So, we'll uh just input put half that back. And thank you, Mayor. 2023. I'll let you know next year. I'm I'm excited to see the papers in a whole lot because last microfish I saw had seen in it, you know. Uhhuh. Well, sometimes the quality is bad. You have to do quality control and make sure they're doing them right. So, these So, yeah.

Okay. Next is uh supplies, office supplies. That's kind of self-explanatory. So, in 2025 it was 6,368 actual. We're asking for 7,000. We have employee training. That is a little bit of a jump. So 2,635 is what we're asking in 2025 and that went up to 4,000 in 2027. We have postage and mail service. We do a lot of inter library loan. People borrow from us and we borrow from them. Um that cost in 2025 was $4,451 and we're asking for 5,000. So a minimal increase. Printing and publishing. Um again 2025 is 10,030. We're asking for 10,500. This is to advertise library events, to create the posters, the ads, the flyers, um our promotional signage, all of that. We are asking for um a drop in the rental of equipment machinery from 6,000 to 5,000. That is for our Xerox machines. We have one at the main library that does color, that's 3,000, and one at the youth library that is not color, and that's 2,000. Then we have subscription in dues, and you're going to see a big jump there. So, and this is misleading, 26,000 in 2025 to 45,472 now. And the reason that is such a huge jump is because we use third-party funding, which was GOB bond and state aid to purchase those subscription and dues during that year. So, it came out of a different line item, but it is still the same amount. So, that's why we're asking for the 45,000. You have a whole list there of the software that we're talking about and I can go through if you want to talk about the software for the next 20 or 30 minutes. I have all of the software that we're using, but we use it for teaching. We use it for our own production. We are content creators. We have lots of classes in

different areas. And so we have a lot of different um subscriptions that we we use. Go ahead, Betty. I I apologize. Are are you not expecting any go bond for the upcoming year to utilize? We are, but it's not guaranteed. And I really would not like to tie our databases and subscriptions into that money because we have no idea how much money we're getting. So, my question and that's all I have unless you guys have questions specifically.

Thank you. Thank you for listening. Mayor, I just have a comment. Um, I just think like, you know, there's a lot of programming that's happening at the library. We always talk about quality of service and having things especially for kids to do, I think is really important for our youth. And so, I just I do commend the library staff for there's the amount of programming that you're going to do because it's just it's a lot. I see it all over Facebook. I see it um when I've gone there. I mean, it's a lot of programming. Um, and so I know you guys are really busy and um, I I just think that's great because I think more programming for people in the community, especially our youth, is is critical. Thank you. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Thank you. Thank you.

Okay, Patty, what's next? Next up is Lodgers Tax Fund. Um and again we are exceeding our incoming revenues and we're need about $412,000. It's a combination of current year and upcoming year that have created efficiency. So e even if you I know