City Council - Regular Meeting

Monday, August 24, 2026

The Florissant City Council held public hearings for a wall sign variance for Dr. Yaki's Holistic Clinic and a special use permit for Inspire Change Academy to operate a 24-hour daycare. Both items generated extensive discussion and were held for future votes. The Council also passed several ordinances, including amendments to outdoor lighting regulations and City Charter provisions.

About this meeting

Government Body
City Council
Meeting Type
City Council
Location
Florissant, MO
Meeting Date
August 24, 2026

Transcript

416 sections

22:30 – 22:56Speaker 3

Welcome to the August 24th, 2026 meeting of the Florissant City Council. Please stand and join us for the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. City Clerk, please call the roll.

22:57Speaker 11

Egan. Here. Caputa. Here. Shildra. Here. O'Donnell. Here. Pagano. Here. Carson. Here. Siam. Here. Harris. Here.

23:09 – 24:18Speaker 3

At this time, we would like to observe a moment of silence for Mayor Reggie Jones of the City of Delwood, who passed this week. A moment of silence, please. Thank you. The next item on the agenda is the approval of minutes. Are there any corrections or additions to the regular meeting minutes of August 10th, 2026? Hearing none, Councilman O'Donnell moves to approve the minutes seconded by Councilman Childress. Any discussion? All in favor? Any opposed? Meeting minutes are approved. The next item on the agenda is hearing from citizens. This is a time to speak to the council on any issue, not necessarily on the agenda for three minutes. This is not a question and answer period. If you would like to speak to a council member or the mayor, please stay until after the meeting is over. If you are here to speak on a public hearing, please wait and speak when the public hearing is announced.

24:21 – 24:35Speaker 3

Doesn't appear we have any citizen comments this evening. The next item on the agenda is communications, of which there are none this evening. The next item on the agenda is public hearings. Public hearing number 2608033.

24:38 – 25:20Speaker 11

accordance with section 405-135 of the florissant zoning code a public hearing will be held by the city council of florissant missouri in the council chambers 955 rue saint francois on monday august 24th 2026 at 7 pm on the following proposition to amend ordinance number 9184 for dr yaki dba dr yaki rafim elohim holistic clinic for the installation of a wall sign exceeding 40 square feet and a B5 planned commercial district located at 660 Charbonnier. Citizens will have an opportunity to be heard. Anyone with special needs should contact the city clerk at least five days before said public hearing by calling 839-7630 or email cityclerk at florissantmo.com.

25:22Speaker 3

Is the petitioner or a representative present this evening for...

25:26Speaker 14

Yes, come on forward, please. Thank you.

25:32Speaker 3

Hi, will you please state your name and tell us about this project?

25:37 – 25:54Speaker 12

Okay, I'm Tom Compass with 24 Hour Sign Company. We're the sign director and we just asked for a little variance because it was hard for the visibility as it was originally and that was approved in the meeting three weeks ago.

25:54 – 26:10Speaker 3

Okay. Uh, so there was a, uh, I think the meeting that was, uh, was the planning and zoning meeting, I believe. Okay. So now we'll have this process that's separate, uh, through the council. Um, I'm going to pass it to councilman Egan. I think he has some questions.

26:11 – 26:48Speaker 14

Thank you, Mr. President. I appreciate it. Welcome, sir. Good to see you. Our code currently reads, and I'm going to quote it, under unusual or special circumstances, the building commissioner can approve larger signs. Can you tell me exactly in this situation what the unusual or special circumstance is? There's currently about a 20 by 20 sign right out in front of on Charbonnier that lit up pretty good. I just don't understand what the unusual or special circumstance in this situation is.

26:49 – 27:07Speaker 12

Well, the letters in the building are just harder to see from the road being smaller and were really not any bigger than the previous tenant there. They had the same size also. Okay, so the sign that's there right now is

27:09Speaker 14

Is visible. The ground sign. I beg pardon? You mean the ground sign? Yes. Yeah.

27:15Speaker 12

And this is going to be an additional sign facing the same direction on the wall. On the wall. It's a different elevation, I believe.

27:23 – 27:59Speaker 14

I don't know. It's pretty close. Yeah, I guess that's my question. I went by there again today and I went by there in the evening and you have the Waffle House and the Travers signs and other signs. I don't know if we need another sign there in my opinion. That's just my opinion. I don't say anything special or unusual about it. I'm not saying I'm not going to vote for it. I just, I'm not convinced to be honest. Is your sign, what color is your sign going to be?

28:02Speaker 12

Red channel letters.

28:04Speaker 14

Is it going to be moving?

28:05Speaker 12

No, just stationary. No blinking, no flashing. It's static.

28:12Speaker 14

All right. Okay. Well, I'm not overly convinced just yet. I'll take another look at it. That's all I have. Thank you. Councilman Manganielli.

28:22 – 28:59Speaker 10

Thank you, Mr. President. Welcome. I just want to confirm this sign. It's going to be Dr. Yaki Health and Human Development Center. That's kind of long yeah does it you know go around the back too or i mean no it's just it's a long name yeah it seems very very long okay i just wanted to confirm that and make sure all right thank you councilman caputa thank you mr president um my question is it's it's going to be a wall sign

28:59 – 29:13Speaker 9

and it's more than 40 square feet, so how big are the letters going to be? I mean, you're going to have more than 40 if they're one-foot letters and you've got 40 of them. That's 40 square feet, correct?

29:15Speaker 9

Okay, so when you write what you were, Mr. Maganelli asked you what you were going to put on the side of the wall, how many letters is that? That's more than 40, right?

29:27Speaker 12

More than 40 square feet? Yeah. Okay.

29:29Speaker 9

That's all. And what is our ordinance claim? Our set at 40 square feet, correct?

29:36Speaker 12

For normal rules, it's 40 square feet.

29:38 – 29:50Speaker 9

So you're getting one big major street sign plus the one that's more than 40 square feet that's on the wall. Correct. Correct? Okay. That's all. I just wanted to make sure. Okay. Because we have no pictures.

29:51Speaker 12

Oh, you don't have any?

29:52Speaker 9

We have no pictures of what you're planning, the color of the letters. I don't know about that. Okay.

29:57Speaker 12

Yeah, that's...

29:59 – 30:15Speaker 9

That's what I'm trying to get a visual of what you're doing. And we don't have nothing that we can actually see physically other than imagining what you're talking about. So as of right now, I can't support this. Thank you.

30:18Speaker 1

That's all I have. Okay.

30:22Speaker 3

Councilwoman Pagano.

30:23Speaker 8

Do you have a picture?

30:26Speaker 12

I don't. I figured you all had some.

30:29Speaker 8

You don't have one on your laptop or anything?

30:33Speaker 12

No, I'd have to come back if I need to come back next meeting.

30:38Speaker 8

I was just going to give you the opportunity to share. So I didn't know. All right. Thank you.

30:45 – 31:53Speaker 3

Thank you. So there was previously a sign at this location. Travers Automotive sits right in front of where the sign is proposed. And Travers was there. They bought the church building that used to be Presbyterian Church. And then later came back and we approved a sign similar to the one you're proposing. However, the circumstance was different. In my mind, it was one business, one tenant, two lots, right? All together. So at that time, I think that was a consideration for me. supporting it, right? To me the difference here is you have Travers still, and then you have another business, right? And then the sign would be right behind Travers there. So to me the consideration is because of a different circumstance. One tenant, you know, I supported that. Two tenants, I'm considering. Okay. Is there any more comments? Councilman Childress.

31:53Speaker 4

Thank you, Mr. President. Sir, did you provide pictures to Planning and Zoning when you appeared before them?

31:58Speaker 12

The first meeting, yes. The Planning and Zoning? Okay. I just thought you had copies.

32:04Speaker 4

I didn't. Okay. Thank you. Okay.

32:13 – 32:49Speaker 3

I do remember seeing renderings previously. I'm not sure if it's in our packet this evening, but I do remember seeing some renderings before. However, I think I remember being green before, but you're saying it's red? I believe red channel letters, yes. So it seems it would be different than what I previously saw and what we had access to in previous meetings. Because I think we postponed this because we didn't have someone to talk to, right? And now it's back on the agenda. Right. Somehow, I don't think it's in here or it's different. So, okay.

32:49Speaker 5

Any other comments, questions from the council? Okay.

32:53Speaker 3

Anything else?

32:54Speaker 12

No, that's it.

32:55Speaker 3

Okay. I appreciate you being here tonight, and thank you so much.

33:00Speaker 12

So what happens next?

33:02 – 33:24Speaker 3

Now I'm going to ask if anyone in the audience has any comments and invite them forward, and then we'll continue with the process. This is the public hearing so just for the public to know about it, right? Okay, and then between now and the next meeting Public has a chance, you know to communicate and or the petitioner can communicate and then we take it up at the next meeting for a vote

33:26Speaker 12

Also, we won't know until the next meeting? Yes. Okay.

33:29Speaker 12

And if it gets rejected, can we come back with the 40 square foot?

33:35Speaker 3

That would be in the... Well, we just have to cross that. Oh, we don't know until that happens? Yes.

33:41Speaker 12

And when is that next meeting?

33:43 – 34:45Speaker 3

September 24th. Oh, okay. Yes. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. before we close this public hearing is there anyone in the audience who would like to speak on this public hearing okay hearing none councilman egan moves to close the public hearing seconded by councilman children all in favor any opposed that public hearing is closed All right. My notes are out of order here. Let's see. I got them mixed up here.

35:00Speaker 5

It's not there, no, I mixed it up.

35:04 – 35:20Speaker 3

Okay, the next public hearing. Public hearing number 2608034.

35:20Speaker 5

Is the petitioner present for Inspire Change Academy?

35:26Speaker 11

I need to read it first.

35:27Speaker 3

She's going to read it and then you're going to come forward. Yeah.

35:29 – 36:07Speaker 11

In accordance with Section 405.125 of the Florissant Zoning Code, a public hearing will be held by the City Council of Florissant, Missouri, in the Council Chambers, 955 Rue St. Francois, on Monday, August 24, 2026, at 7 p.m. on the following proposition. A request from Dr. Sarah Briscoe, DBA, Inspire a Change Academy, LLC, to operate a daycare center in a B3 extensive business district located at 1930 North Highway 67. Citizens will have an opportunity to be heard. Anyone with special needs should contact the city clerk at least five days before said public hearing by calling 839-7630 or email cityclerk at fluorescentmo.com.

36:08 – 36:21Speaker 3

Okay, thank you. Dr. Briscoe, will you please come forward? Thank you. Good evening. State your name for the record and then tell us about what you're doing.

36:21 – 36:44Speaker 2

All right. I am Dr. Sarah Briscoe, and I had a whole script. I was going to say good evening, President of the Council, Mayor, and all members. Hey, I got it right. Okay. I am here to ask for a special use permit for 1930 North Highway 67.

36:49Speaker 8

There we go.

36:51 – 37:13Speaker 2

I also brought along my architect, John Wimmer. If we were to have any questions, he will be here to kind of assist with those questions. Oh, wow. This is my PD. Hold on just one second. That was weird.

37:14Speaker 3

It is professional development season.

37:17 – 41:30Speaker 2

I just did a OPD with my staff, so here we go. So just to tell you just a little bit about myself, I am an educator, born and raised since a little girl playing school and 27 years in education as a principal. Every aspect of education you could think of, I've worked in. TA, substitute, principal, director. My last position was director for St. Louis Public Schools. All of which equips me. I'm just now realizing that everything that I did as a director for St. Louis Public School and all those jobs has prepared me for why I'm standing in front of you now. Our mission, of course, is to provide a safe and nurturing place where students can thrive emotionally, physically, and academically. and have lifelong success with all of those tools. We strive to empower, motivate, and inspire all students at Inspire Change Academy. The purpose is to provide quality child care at an affordable expense. It has gotten pretty expensive. The state has come in and said that the building that I am currently wanting to lease has a capacity of 47 children. I will be servicing infants to school age and I am full time before and after care summer academy offering all those programs along with 24 hours a day to service those community members who work outside the nine to five hours. Economic impact, I've been in Florissant for 26, 27, no, 22 years. And I hope to make an impact of bringing more jobs to the Florissant area, generating more local spending, increasing the childcare for working parents, and revitalizing the property that I'm leasing as of right now. We plan to keep a safe and secure space for kids. cameras, controlled access entry. All the staff will be CPR trained. I just attended a Missouri conference Saturday to make sure that we had quality professionals in front of our kids. talking to us around my staff getting CDA training and making sure they're highly qualified to stand in front of our kids. Fire and tornado drills will be given, will be performed, employee background checks, just everything that aligns to what the state is expecting. Traffic management, that was something that Deborah and I talked around. I reached out to MoDOT. We kind of explained, well, John talked to MoDOT and it was all cleared as far as traffic and it being a problem. Parking spaces, all of that, we've kind of worked out. Project coordination, oh, I just talked about that. MoDOT and then we talked to, we met with Chief Turley. to make sure that it's accessible for any kind of emergencies and fire equipment. Let's see. I already talked about proposed site plan. It's small. I don't know if you all have the PowerPoint in front of you. I do have copies if you want a copy.

41:31Speaker 3

We do have a copy of the PowerPoint. Okay, awesome. Thank you.

41:36Speaker 2

Well, I have copies. Oh, a physical copy?

41:39Speaker 3

Okay. I see. Oh, you want a copy of the? We have the PowerPoint electronic digital, but not.

41:47Speaker 2

You don't have the big copy?

41:48Speaker 3

Yeah, yeah. Sure.

41:53 – 42:53Speaker 2

Do you want the PowerPoint or the copy of the? Let's see. I don't have a big copy on me. I thought they made copies for you all, but I do have just a regular. Yeah, this is the right one. Okay, so here is. And then the PowerPoint. We have one here. That's why you couldn't help with the laptop. I got you. Let's see if I have another.

43:08 – 43:43Speaker 2

all right let me get through this i don't have but a few more i'm known to have long presentations so i'll cut it down to 12 slides 12 or 13 slides so this just talks about the investment that i plan to make into the child care center which lets you know that i am going to be around for quite a long time It's a big investment, but I believe it's worth Investing in our children in the floor scenario the children period to make sure that they have the foundation that they need And that is it. Thank you all for your consideration. Okay.

43:44Speaker 3

Thank you Councilman O'Donnell Thank You mr. President.

43:49Speaker 5

Welcome. Dr. Briscoe. I

43:52 – 44:32Speaker 5

Thanks for reaching out, and we had a conversation. But I wonder if I could kind of talk about a few things. I went by the location today, and, you know, your idea sounds great. It serves a need, obviously. Your background seems everything that you could want. But there's some things that stand out, especially about the property. The building just seems really small for that size of an endeavor, for that many children. What about a play area? And I too, with our copy, could not kind of see that. Do you have plans to add an outside play area?

44:32 – 45:10Speaker 2

Yes, I do. And I have to admit that was one of the things when I saw the building that I thought about as well. And I had a great team with me that kind of made me think and look at things outside the box. So let me see if I can make this bigger for you guys. So if you look to the side of the building, you'll see that, I'm okay to just, I'm okay to walk away, right?

45:11Speaker 3

Just know that the folks at home won't hear you unless you're in the microphone here. Okay, I'll get it back.

45:16Speaker 2

You'll see that the front doors...

45:23Speaker 3

There you go. Yeah, maybe you could...

45:31 – 46:11Speaker 2

You'll see that there is a gate here that leads to the front door. And then, so kids will exit out of the gate, and the gate goes all the way around here. So the play area is found within this area. I did bring the state out to kinda walk the place and talk me through some things as well, so they're part of my team. And this is what their suggestion was. We're actually providing more of a playground area than expected. I think they said, John, correct me, was it 1,200? And we bumped it.

46:12Speaker 6

We're about 50% higher than .

46:20Speaker 5

So we're actually providing more of a space. So there's an existing trash area, enclosed trash area now. It will be moved. So this play area is behind that?

46:28Speaker 2

Yes, the trash area is moved here. The trash dumpster.

46:37Speaker 5

Right, but where it is right now, the play area is behind that. Yes. Going toward the back of the building.

46:44 – 47:06Speaker 5

Okay. So as I look at it, could you kind of talk about what the inside would look like? Because in looking in the windows, there's one large great area, I would call it. And then on the right side, there's a hallway that has a couple of looks like existing rooms. So what will happen in all those spaces?

47:06 – 48:12Speaker 2

So this will remain open, but if you look here, you'll see that as you walk through this door, there's a hallway right now, and there's like four little rooms because it used to be a chiropractic office. So those rooms, the walls are going to be knocked out, and we're going to make one big infant-toddler room here. Now with the infant, this will be the infant-toddler suite area. However, you cannot walk through the infant-toddler. No one can go through the infant-toddler area. So they have their own exit here, but we had to create a small hallway that would get us here to the warming kitchen and to the two-year-old or the three-year-old classroom. Haven't really decided what, it's probably gonna be, it's gonna be a mixed level classroom. But to prevent anyone from walking through this area, we have to put a firewall up that separates the infant-toddler area from the rest of the area.

48:13Speaker 5

And where would the sleeping area be? And for what ages would that be, other than toddlers or babies?

48:19Speaker 2

The sleeping area would be in the classrooms with cots.

48:27 – 48:39Speaker 5

So that could be any age, though? Yes. I think you went from six weeks to 12 years. Is that pretty accurate? Yes. So what about bathrooms and so there?

48:40 – 49:06Speaker 2

So the restrooms, you'll see here there's an ADA restroom on the side of the office area. And then as you go here towards the back of the building, you'll see there's an existing restroom, but we need to make some, We need to make some changes, some small tweaks so that we have two restrooms and two sinks, children sizes.

49:06 – 49:44Speaker 5

So would there be a limit on the overnight? Because it seems like that would be really difficult if you had. Most definitely. yeah teens like boys and girls uh pre-teens i guess um and then all the way down to infants um so so how would you think about numbers with that they would be in separate classrooms you my infants and toddlers have their own area so they will not uh intermingle with the older groups So there'd be just one contiguous rooms for boys and girls? Just one room where they all would be for in the sleeping area?

49:44 – 50:28Speaker 2

So that's something to think on. You've got my juices going. I'd like to think as an educator that supervision is of the utmost right now. I have a home childcare. And I have three staff members along myself with 12 kids. I'm overkill when it comes to making sure that kids are safe and making sure all circumstances are in the best interest of kids. So I think it would just depend on the amount of kids I have, the ages of the kids, and then we would tweak it from there. There's no specific area that I've designated in that building for sleeping.

50:29 – 50:40Speaker 5

Okay. Talking about certifications as well, and so I'm sure that there's a lot of background for teachers, for caregivers. Would you have any kind of nursing staff

50:41 – 51:11Speaker 2

That is something that I am looking into because I know that nursing and social work are counselors. I know with today and our youth that there are support systems that need to be in place. So depending on budget and grants and all that great stuff would depend on that, but I have given it some serious thought about having a nurse and a social worker.

51:11Speaker 5

So that leads to kids that need medication. How would that be administered and who would be doing that?

51:17 – 51:39Speaker 2

I would be the one administering or a highly qualified staff member. There is a waiver and there are things in place where parents can decide on if that's something they want us to do or do you want to come pick your child up and administer any medication. But I would be the one giving the medication as I do now.

51:40 – 52:00Speaker 5

With regard to the food area, so it's a warming kitchen I think is it, or maybe I don't have that designation exactly correct. It is. So no food preparation, but they bring food with them and it would be warmed up. So is there a storage facility like refrigerators for all of their different containers and that's all part of it?

52:00 – 52:12Speaker 2

Yeah, that's all included in the warming kitchen area. Okay. It will be a kitchen at, And yeah, we'll just be warming food or catering food in.

52:12 – 52:36Speaker 5

Do you have a sense of what an average would be like? So out of, say, 10 kids, what would be the average amount of time that they'd be there? Are they there for an eight hour a day of work day? Or are they just there for two or three hours, maybe before or after school? Do you have a sense of how that would

52:37 – 53:10Speaker 2

Yeah, there's a variation. So I can look now at my home child care. I have, let's take Liari. She gets dropped off at 7.30 and picked up at 4, 4.30-ish. So it's about eight, nine hours. It gives the parents a half an hour to get to work, eight hours to work, half an hour to come pick up your baby. After school, I have a Demi who goes to Coldwater. I pick her up at 3.30, 3.40-ish, and her mom picks her up at 6.00.

53:12Speaker 5

And the school part of it, the lessons and things, would that just be during the day, essentially?

53:19 – 53:32Speaker 2

Yes, everything that I do is intentional and purposeful, so I will assess all kids that come through the door, and then from there, it will be free play, but it will be kind of a directed free play, per se.

53:34 – 54:24Speaker 5

Okay. Sorry, I just got some... notes here and I guess security and obviously that that's you know the most important thing yes so so certainly of the kids but then the facility to especially people coming and going so what kind of protocol and I'm just thinking of I guess maybe the worst case scenario situation where there's single a parent has custody and the other parent Decides they want to pick up the child. So how is someone? That is working say at night going to be aware of Whether or not they should allow someone into the building So we do have procedures for who can pick up and drop off there's

54:25 – 55:02Speaker 2

applications where you put your emergency contacts on, if they're not on the emergency contact list after checking an ID of some sort. Or custody would be a conversation with whoever enrolls the student. And normally, birth certificate is looked at. Father, if both parents are on the birth certificate, then court documents need to be provided, things of that nature. And that's, I mean, it's the same throughout the day. It's going to be 24 hours. That's just checking to make sure that we're releasing kids to the right adult.

55:03Speaker 5

So once somebody accesses the building, do they have access to enter into any part of the building? Or is there a contained area where they can't move?

55:12 – 55:26Speaker 2

There is a contained foyer area, an entry area here. You'll see that there's a door here. And there's a receptionist here. Or a secretary or administrative assistant.

55:28Speaker 5

I noticed one of the things in looking at the property. I'm sorry to interrupt. I'm sorry, go ahead.

55:35Speaker 2

I said, and then there's me here. I consider myself security as well. No, I'm just playing.

55:40Speaker 6

on the back of the building.

55:42 – 56:19Speaker 5

There's a fence that goes to another property that it appears to me to belong to a car repair that's actually on Florissant Road. It's got a very deep lot that goes around the back. But there's a door out in the back of this building that empties into that parking lot, but it's completely fenced in. So how would that work? I'm not sure how that ever was zoned with a previous tenant, but would it actually appear that when you exit out that back door, you'd be on somebody else's property back there? Do you have any sense of how or what you would use that door for?

56:19Speaker 2

So the property is owned by the same person. My building is owned by the same person.

56:25Speaker 5

So this would be a leasing situation. Yeah.

56:28 – 56:50Speaker 2

And so we have talks where we have talked around sharing the space specifically for staff parking. There will be there is a fence, but it will be a rolling fence to where I would we would have access to open and shut that fence accordingly, especially during if there's an emergency of any sort.

56:51Speaker 5

Is there any fence on the front of the building?

56:53Speaker 2

There will be.

56:55Speaker 5

So is that what the play area will be, or is there a more secure part of that?

57:01 – 57:15Speaker 2

No, the fence will run from the front door all the way out and around. So there will be a gate to get in that fence, either here or here.

57:21Speaker 5

I think that's generally the questions that I have so I appreciate you I'm happy to answer your question

57:36 – 58:01Speaker 7

Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you, Dr. Briscoe. I have more than a couple questions. As an educator myself, I know that we have to perform particular drills within a particular time frame. Are you going to be linked in with DESE in order to have those drills performed? And what will those drills look like in a 24-hour setting?

58:05 – 58:45Speaker 2

In a 24-hour setting, the drills would be the same because a fire is a fire, whether it's at 8 o'clock in the morning 3 a.m. in the morning or 9 o'clock at night. So the drills will be performed the same. We do have to have a certain amount of drills. It's a little different from running a school because we don't have to have as many tornado drills, as many earthquake drills and intruder drills, things of that nature, especially with having infants and having to get them in and out and all that great stuff. But yes, there are a certain amount of drills that we have to have and the drills will remain the same.

58:46 – 59:07Speaker 7

Okay, thank you. You stated that it would be, That's what I'm looking for. Like an income that would be comparable since childcare is so expensive these days. Are you working on a sliding scale fee or what are you working on to determine the cost of how much it's gonna be?

59:07 – 59:49Speaker 2

There is a sliding scale fee. And I do know, again, I just have conversations. I sit down and have conversations with my parents. let them know my price and then just depending on body language depending on the need then we have discussions thereafter I have a parent now who lost subsidy and so no I'm not going to just I'm here for kids so I'm not just going to boot your kid out how can we work this out we'll just put something on the back end, and if you can come up with it later, fine. If not, you know, maybe I can find a grant out there or something, but.

59:49 – 1:00:01Speaker 7

Okay. When you say school age, what's the cutoff for school age? It's 12 years of age, so that's probably like sixth grade.

1:00:01Speaker 2

Okay. And that's for before and after care. I don't teach that.

1:00:07 – 1:00:33Speaker 7

Do you have a transportation van or vehicle that picks up and drops off before and after care? Yes. Okay. Mr. O'Donnell answered the question, or you answered the question about the food. So you're going to either have it catered in or you're going to warm it up.

1:00:34Speaker 6

Sorry, I got notes everywhere.

1:00:38 – 1:01:05Speaker 7

Free play, we can't get enough of that. In a regular school setting, we have to do these things and I applaud you for doing free play. So I really like that. And then my last thing is, do you feel like you can do a workaround for a nurse if all staff is CPR trained?

1:01:08 – 1:01:24Speaker 2

I do. I do. I really believe that SEL, social and emotional need, is of greater need, to be honest. So social worker counselor would be my first choice.

1:01:25Speaker 7

Beautiful. Thank you. That's all I have.

1:01:30Speaker 3

Councilwoman Pagano.

1:01:34 – 1:01:55Speaker 8

Ms. Parson did ask some of my questions. The mom. So I guess I'm sort of confused. You said that the kids won't really, the children won't interact with each other, the older with the younger. Is that what I heard you say?

1:01:55 – 1:03:07Speaker 2

So infants and toddlers won't interact. Five to eight. So I don't want to say interact and play. They won't play together per se, but they'll have their own areas, but they'll be in the same area. They will be supervised highly. There will be a teacher for my school age kids, five and up, and a teacher for my three to five-year-olds per se. And so you have one half of the big room will probably more than likely because I'm not in there yet, haven't designed it, I'm still getting through this process, but there will be an area for my older kids and an area for my younger kids that are past the three-year-old mark. But all of my babies to two are in their own wings. And they're in the back of the building, correct? Two-year-old would be kind of here, infants and toddlers here. And then the toddler. Okay.

1:03:08 – 1:03:48Speaker 8

I have notes like she had notes. So I do have a question about the gate that you just talked about over on this side, I guess the front of the building out. you're taking away more parking spots right making making that um area a play area and moving the trash can you're taking out more parking so from what i understood the right side am i correct because there's not that many parking spaces up there in the front it's a very small front lot i don't know if they were were they parking here john

1:03:53Speaker 2

Right here right here You're gonna have to come on forward.

1:03:58Speaker 8

You're gonna have to come up.

1:04:01 – 1:04:19Speaker 2

Thank you You're talking here and I don't know if there was there were parking places, but we did work out Again an agreement to where you can pass through here and there's parking spaces in the back of the building We're in the back of the building if is that if mr. Travers moves the fence I

1:04:25 – 1:04:51Speaker 6

no it's not will you speak into the microphone so one we can hear for the record and two the people at home can i have a full site plan that has the entire property and i'll just show it to you now but if you want to pass it around everyone get a better detailed view of it that the front is obviously the daycare building and in the back there is what appears to be

1:04:53 – 1:05:13Speaker 2

sort of uh an auto service garage or something that's not using it for storage yeah i'm having trouble understanding that yeah yeah you can put it under here okay perfect okay so you can talk about so here's the back of the building

1:05:18 – 1:05:52Speaker 8

Right, where the fence is, because I drove it and I could not get through. So you're saying if Mr. Travers puts in a moving gate, then you would be able to park back there and then stop. But parents drop off in pickup, it just looks, when you take that, fence in the front of the building to go straight across the block off the playground, you're taking up 2 parking spots to put the dumpster there. You are you're taking up a parking spot.

1:05:52 – 1:06:07Speaker 6

We're removing one we can see the dashed out find there were the laser is pointing is currently a parking space there. And right where you can see the arrow. Right underneath there? That's where the dumpster enclosure is presently sitting.

1:06:08 – 1:06:19Speaker 6

And so in order for all of this to work, the circulation from the building and the play area and back inside, that trash enclosure has to move down where you can see it's right there.

1:06:20 – 1:06:31Speaker 2

So there's no parking spaces. So when parents come in, they can park here, here, here, here, here. here or here, and drop the kids off.

1:06:31Speaker 6

So the striped area is indicating the block path.

1:06:34 – 1:06:45Speaker 2

But we're preferring the drop-off area be here, and then walk through this gate to the front door. Where is the front door? Am I?

1:06:46Speaker 6

Yeah, you are. Alarm gate's here. There you go.

1:06:50Speaker 8

Okay, the gate that's not there. What happened? So, and children are going to be picked up from the school by bus? And where's that bus going to go?

1:06:59Speaker 2

I have a van. I'll be picking up and dropping off.

1:07:04Speaker 8

Because there's only one way in there. I mean, there's a median on Lindbergh. So, I mean, you can only get off.

1:07:12Speaker 2

What direction is it? North. Yes. Would you have to cut through?

1:07:21Speaker 8

Would you have to cut through U-Haul? That's what I'm saying. There's only one access in there from Lindbergh, one way in.

1:07:29Speaker 2

So I'm saying if a bus comes in or a van or what if, I don't get it because don't other kids, you will be transporting the children.

1:07:39Speaker 8

So you have your own van that's going to take children to whatever school they go to in the morning?

1:07:46Speaker 2

For before and after pay. Yes.

1:07:49 – 1:08:12Speaker 2

so what we did was turley came uh the fire chief came out um just to see if his long if his what did he call it red or something his fire truck would get in there and be able to back out and come out of that one entrance and he cleared it to do so with taking away parking spot 10. i'm not

1:08:13 – 1:08:36Speaker 8

Right, and I'm not, I'm thinking of that van or else if there's, if there is parents in there or whatever, if that van's going to make the turn and the traffic in the morning and all day on Lindbergh is sometimes horrendous, especially in that area. So that's what I'm worried about.

1:08:39 – 1:08:52Speaker 2

So we cleared it with MoDOT as far as traffic and as far as the van getting in. My van is nowhere near the length of the fire truck. So I know that it will get in and out if that's what you're asking.

1:08:52Speaker 8

Is there one van or two? I'm just saying.

1:08:55Speaker 2

And it's a Chrysler.

1:08:57Speaker 8

Right. And it holds how many children?

1:09:09 – 1:09:41Speaker 8

but I'm just saying you have 57 children that's why I would okay if half of them were in school that's what I was sort of worried about but you have to keep in mind though some of them okay yes for after school I'll have to pick them up the parents will pick them up to go home Okay, and then the sleeping. There's no private rooms for the children, I mean for the infants. I mean they'll just be in cots and cribs in the back?

1:09:42 – 1:10:01Speaker 2

In their room. There's two rooms. There's on the infant wing. I don't know where it went. But on the infant, there's an infant wing. They have their own entrance. That's it. They have a door that separates them from everyone else. And then toddlers has a door that separates them from everyone else. So they will be in their own classrooms.

1:10:01Speaker 8

Okay. So if I have 10 toddlers or infants in that one room, like sleep, trying to sleep.

1:10:12Speaker 8

What if one, what do you do like sickness? I'm not trying to be silly. I don't know. Like if somebody's sick.

1:10:19Speaker 2

There is an isolation.

1:10:19Speaker 8

And where do you put all these children to isolate?

1:10:23Speaker 2

So if someone's sick, they go home. They don't stay in the facility. They go home and they're isolated until someone can pick them up.

1:10:31Speaker 8

So there is like an isolation room.

1:10:33Speaker 2

There will be an isolation area.

1:10:35Speaker 8

Okay. Okay. All right. Well. Right now, I'm finished. Thank you.

1:10:41Speaker 2

No problem. Thank you for your questions.

1:10:44 – 1:11:03Speaker 4

Councilman Childress. Thank you, Mr. President. Some of my questions were answered. On the 24-hour setup, what is the magic number that you can live with for kids that are going to be there spending the night you feel comfortable with?

1:11:09Speaker 4

Okay, and how many staff would be?

1:11:11Speaker 2

15 to 20 maybe. Okay. And it would be three staff members.

1:11:13Speaker 4

So three staff members would be for the overnight?

1:11:17Speaker 4

Okay. Can you talk about the security, the cameras, where they're going? Can you point out and talk about that?

1:11:27 – 1:12:16Speaker 2

I can't. I'm sorry, but I know I'll have them. I haven't had anyone to come out. I haven't had access to the building yet. I did have a fire guy come out, but it's just scheduling with my agent, myself, and the contractors. And that's actually a question I was going to ask you all tonight, if I could get started, but I don't know the process. in all of that because the longer this process takes, the longer it takes for me to get up and going, the longer it takes for me to make money to stay open. But I would think at the front door area, John, I don't know, you and I haven't even talked about cameras. Parking lot, front door, back door, definitely within the building, inside. I have cameras in my home right now. And they're all around my house and inside.

1:12:16 – 1:12:31Speaker 4

Okay. On the front door, would that be something heavier duty than a commercial door? Would it be like a buzz system with, you know, a pretty hard to get in if you didn't have business there?

1:12:32Speaker 2

Yes. Is that my point? Yes, I do.

1:12:34Speaker 4

Okay. Can you talk about... The 24-hour, would that be Monday through Friday or seven days a week?

1:12:46Speaker 2

It would be a gradual process, but I am seven days a week right now. I'm until 9 o'clock at my home, but it would be 24 hours. It's a gradual process.

1:12:56Speaker 4

Okay, so you would like, if you get open, your proposal would be 24 hours, seven days a week, is that correct? Yes, sir.

1:13:06Speaker 4

All right, that's all I have right now. Thank you.

1:13:10Speaker 3

Councilman Caputa.

1:13:12 – 1:13:30Speaker 9

Thank you, Mr. President. Welcome. I think it's a great idea, 24 hours. My only concern is I know we have an ordinance to where a daycare has to be a standalone building. I believe, correct, Mr. Hessel?

1:13:32Speaker 9

And isn't your building connected to the tire store that's next to it?

1:13:38Speaker 2

It is considered a standalone.

1:13:41 – 1:13:52Speaker 9

That is my concern. I know we don't allow daycares or nothing in shopping centers. So that would be considered a shopping center, correct? I would assume.

1:13:53Speaker 2

It's not zoned as such.

1:13:55Speaker 13

It's different than the shopping center, but I understand your point is that they have a shared wall.

1:14:03Speaker 9

Yeah. So is that still considered a standalone building?

1:14:09Speaker 13

I believe it would be.

1:14:12 – 1:14:27Speaker 9

That was my question, too, when I looked at it. And my other concern would be what Ms. Pagano came up with, with the children sleeping at night on 24 hours. You've got the match for 47 people, correct?

1:14:33 – 1:14:51Speaker 9

I mean, I don't know how much a demand is for a 24-hour... for these kids to sleep and how you would separate it would be enough room to have their own actually own beds? Are you gonna supply beds for them or sleeping bags?

1:14:51Speaker 2

Infants and toddlers will have baby beds on wheels for emergency. But I do have cots. Every child will have a cot.

1:15:02 – 1:15:27Speaker 9

That would be my concern also about having them sleeping at night. Because you've got, like you said, you're going to separate the different age groups. So during the day, do you take the beds down, the cots down, and at night you'll put them back up? Do they bring their own linen? Do pillows and stuff like that? I mean, if you've got them twice, it's kind of like a... A hotel room?

1:15:27 – 1:15:46Speaker 2

Well, I wouldn't have them 24 hours. It's only for those parents who may work 11 to 7 or 3 to 11. So I would have them all night, yes. But I do have cots and they will be stored. in storage somewhere, like right now.

1:15:46Speaker 9

So each one possibly could have their own?

1:15:48Speaker 2

Yes, they have their own cot.

1:15:49 – 1:16:00Speaker 9

It's like one night you can have one, two, three kids only a couple nights a week, then you might have another one another couple nights a week, correct? Yes. So they'll each have their own individual sleeping? Most definitely. Okay.

1:16:00 – 1:16:11Speaker 2

Right now I have names on cots. And the cots are, I guess they're evolving because they like stack on top of each other. So it doesn't take up as much room.

1:16:11Speaker 9

So you're gonna have like bunk beds or birthing areas?

1:16:16 – 1:16:27Speaker 2

well no they stack and then you just lift them up and put them in their spots so but um okay all right thank you that's all i have thank you for your question councilman egan

1:16:28 – 1:16:50Speaker 14

Thank you, Mr. President. It seems like there's a lot of unanswered questions that have come up in this public hearing. I myself am very uncomfortable with the lack, you said you may or may not have separate sleeping rooms for boys and girls and toddlers and infants. I think you answered the question that we're going to have at least three staff members during the overnight hours.

1:16:51Speaker 14

And that's every overnight hours? And what are you concerned?

1:16:56Speaker 2

So it depends on the kids. If I have one kid or two kids or five kids, I'm not going to have three staff members.

1:17:02Speaker 14

So what is your ratio going to be for overnight as far as watching the kids overnight?

1:17:07 – 1:17:31Speaker 2

I would follow the state's ratio recommendations, which is one depending on the age group. So infants and toddlers is one to four. Two-year-olds is one to eight. Three and up is one to 16. No. 3-year-olds is 1 to 16, 3 to 5, and then 5-year-olds is 1 to 20, I do believe, or 1 to 18.

1:17:31 – 1:17:42Speaker 14

So if you had an infant and 4 toddlers would you have, or 4 6-year-olds, would you have 1 or would you have 2?

1:17:43Speaker 2

So for an infant and 4 6-year-olds? Yes. So that would be 2 staff members. Okay.

1:17:52 – 1:18:40Speaker 14

Really, I'm not against your idea, but I really don't like this building and the setup I don't think it's conducive to a daycare and I'll go into this now. I went up there today and When I got there the the back part is not acceptable because of the gate however, U-Haul is accessible the U-Haul lot and Um, if you had a real fire emergency there, it would be an absolute catastrophe. I don't know where the kids would go if they came out of the building and how the fire truck would get on the lot without running the kids over. There's really nowhere for kids in emergency to go. Um, and then you had the cross traffic with the, the uh, U haul lot. Is that going to be opened? That access to the U haul lot? Is that open?

1:18:42Speaker 2

There is going to, there is a fence there. No, you can drive right through it. I go there today.

1:18:47 – 1:19:02Speaker 14

I'm sorry. You can drive to the U-Haul lot. I did that today. So if I'm coming down the floor. I know what you're talking about. I can cut through the U-Haul lot. They may not like it, and then go right to your business, correct?

1:19:02Speaker 2

You can cut through the U-Haul lot, yes, and you'll be at the side of the fence of the playground area, yes. Okay. So you'll be in the parking lot, correct?

1:19:12Speaker 14

The whole fence thing has got me a little confused. The playground area, is that going to block the access from the U-Haul?

1:19:21 – 1:20:05Speaker 2

No, you'll be on the parking lot on the side of the fence. However, I did have a conversation with U-Haul, and their response was they're usually filled up there. So on a regular basis, there will not be a passageway there, because I was trying to figure out a way for parents to go out and come in a different way. So it was the exact opposite of what you're asking. I was trying to get them access in and out without it backing up Lindbergh, but he said that he would be pretty, he's usually full, his trucks are full, so he couldn't guarantee that that would be open. I want to, it was a question you asked and I wanted to go back to it to kind of clarify.

1:20:06 – 1:20:21Speaker 14

Was it about the kids sleeping together or the number of workers? I should have wrote it down. You can bring it back up. Okay. So this play area, help me out, where's that going to be?

1:20:22Speaker 6

It's the hatch there.

1:20:24Speaker 14

Okay. It's... That's behind the building, correct? It's to the side.

1:20:31Speaker 2

Here it is, right here.

1:20:33Speaker 14

It's on the side. Where is the front door to the building? I'm really...

1:20:37Speaker 14

Okay. And the fence to go to the traverse, so it's on the side of the area. Well, that's where the entrance to the U-Haul is.

1:20:46Speaker 2

The entrance to U-Haul is right here, I know. Yeah. It's right in this area, but usually there's stacked trucks that go...

1:20:53Speaker 14

Okay. Well, there was not today. I drove right there. What is the square footage of the proposed play area going to be?

1:20:59Speaker 2

1,200 square feet.

1:21:03Speaker 14

Architect might know that.

1:21:06Speaker 2

1,500. 1,516.

1:21:06Speaker 6

1,500 square feet-ish? Yep.

1:21:16Speaker 2

And we only need 12.

1:21:17 – 1:21:29Speaker 14

And that's not dependent upon the getting any access through the gate or with the traverse people through the gate, correct? That's going up no matter what, right?

1:21:29Speaker 2

Right, right. What is the- I know what, I remember.

1:21:36Speaker 14

Okay, go right ahead.

1:21:37 – 1:22:16Speaker 2

Okay, so you asked about emergencies. Yeah. Because that was something that when the fire, the state, Marshall came in. We talked around that, and that was the reasoning for the rolling fence. The fence is not going to be locked per se, but we could open the fence for kids to get out. When there's an emergency, there's always a place that you designate for kids to go. So we wouldn't have to worry about emergency vehicles coming up and running over kids and all of that. We have a safe space that we have to identify. that when kids come out, where we will go together as a unit.

1:22:16Speaker 14

So that back door there, there's a fire at that back door. Where's your safe spot for the kids? The fire trucks are going to come up in where number 10 and 11 and they're going to come in there.

1:22:26Speaker 2

So here, you're saying there's a fire here?

1:22:28Speaker 14

Well, there's fire at the back door, so they can't get out the back door. Where are they going to go?

1:22:32Speaker 2

They're going to go out the front two entrances.

1:22:35 – 1:22:50Speaker 2

And then from there, designate a safe space. Any business that may be close, it could be U-Haul, it could be... a church, whatever's in the area.

1:22:50 – 1:23:10Speaker 14

I was there today and I'm really gonna take umbrage with the 14 spaces because eight and nine, if you're trying to get into 13, if there's a car in eight and nine, you can't make, I don't think you can make the turn. I don't know who drew that out or how that was drawn out. I don't think you can make the turn into to 13, I was there today.

1:23:10Speaker 6

It's striped that way presently. I beg pardon? It's striped that way presently.

1:23:15Speaker 14

Oh, I see how it's striped. I just don't think you can do it. And if we have a fire emergency, I sure don't know where you're going to put kids at. And I think it's a real consideration.

1:23:26Speaker 2

Keep in mind that parents drop off, go to work, and pick up. So cars will not be sitting there. My staff is parked here.

1:23:34Speaker 14

Where's your staff parking at, ma'am?

1:23:35Speaker 6

In the back. Push this down so you can see it.

1:23:39 – 1:23:58Speaker 14

Do you you already have an agreement with Travers or you're working on agreement? This is I'm confused on this. You said I already have it Do you have an agreement with Travers in place that's been reviewed by the city attorney? I think that was brought up in PNC or somewhere online that you've had an access agreement that was got to be approved by the city.

1:23:59Speaker 2

Yes Has that happened?

1:24:02 – 1:24:43Speaker 13

I've seen it and it's candidly it's pretty fair and balanced contains the kind of things that I would look for okay such as it's not terminable unless they quit operating the daycare center it's got to be recorded with the st. Louis County recorder of deeds and things of that nature it can be Rescinded by the City Council if the special use permit is no longer available So it's it has almost all of the things that I would be looking for except I can't identify that the three dedicated spaces That are referenced in the cross-access agreement, but that's easily resolved.

1:24:43Speaker 14

Okay Thank you, what is the longest amount of time that a a child would be at your center and

1:24:57 – 1:25:24Speaker 2

That would depend upon the work schedule because we have some Parents who work 12 hour of 10 and 11 hour shifts some work eight hour shifts so it depends on the work schedule and the circumstance Is there going to be a washer and dryer on site Yes, where's that going to be on this diagram Probably basement

1:25:30Speaker 14

Do we have diagramming of the basement? I mean, can you, I guess we should probably have that.

1:25:37Speaker 2

The basement is storage. It's only used for storage.

1:25:41 – 1:26:03Speaker 14

And washer and dryer, right? Okay. Again, I'm very honest with you. I don't like the setup on this. I think it's too tight, especially if you're going to put a chain link play area out there. But I'm only one of nine people. And thank you for coming and answering my questions so far. Thank you. Thank you.

1:26:04 – 1:26:17Speaker 10

Councilman McAnally. Thank you, Mr. President. You would think being last all my questions would have been asked, but they haven't. Just so your transportation is going to be a minivan?

1:26:18Speaker 2

Yes, for now.

1:26:21Speaker 1

Just so you know, there's really only five available seats in a minivan for the kids.

1:26:27 – 1:26:50Speaker 10

Three in the back, two in the middle. I hope you're not putting one in the front seat. But anyway. All righty. How many kids like during the day is going to be where you're the most, where you have your most kids? How many kids do you perceive being there during the day?

1:26:56 – 1:27:12Speaker 2

It's really hard to determine that. Right now I have 10 kids during the day and I'm at max. Okay. I'd say 35 to 40.

1:27:15Speaker 10

At any one time there'd be 35 to 40 there?

1:27:18Speaker 2

I have a capacity of 47.

1:27:20Speaker 10

Correct. Okay, so that would mean that you'd have to have seven or eight teachers.

1:27:29Speaker 2

And high expectations for them.

1:27:33Speaker 10

Okay. But I see four parking spots for staff. That's the only thing I'm wondering about.

1:27:38Speaker 2

Um, so are you, well, you see four, but you also have 10 others.

1:27:45 – 1:28:08Speaker 10

Okay. Um, okay. So hopefully they'll only have three or four parents show up at a time to pick up then I guess. Um, so I'm assuming that you're going to be the director then? Yes. Okay. Okay. For 24-7, is there a need for a second director?

1:28:11Speaker 2

No, there's not a need for a second director. I can have an assistant director or a lead teacher.

1:28:18 – 1:28:30Speaker 10

Okay. I should mention my daughter was a director for preschool too, so preschool daycare. Okay. So the playground will be operational on day one?

1:28:32Speaker 10

Will it be? I should say, will it be?

1:28:34Speaker 2

It should be, yes. I wouldn't be licensed. I couldn't get licensed if it's not operational.

1:28:39Speaker 10

Okay. Okay. You said you'll have tornado drills. Where will they go during a tornado drill?

1:28:53Speaker 2

Where do you mean?

1:28:54Speaker 10

Like when I was in grade school, we went in the hallway. where there was no windows or anything.

1:29:00Speaker 2

Right. They would be along the side of the walls. There's a hallway where the restroom is. There's another hallway as you go to the warming kitchen.

1:29:08 – 1:29:19Speaker 10

Okay. In your presentation, you had the warming kitchen and the area behind that, you said that's where the two-year-olds would be?

1:29:20 – 1:29:39Speaker 10

Okay. Where is a method of egress out of that area? say there's a fire in the warming kitchen, how are the two-year-olds gonna get out?

1:29:39 – 1:30:00Speaker 2

That's a great question. Yeah. That was not brought to my attention by the, I've had the state folks take a look at this. I've had the fire marshal from the state take a look at this. and suggest this whole layout.

1:30:03Speaker 10

That's a question I can't really... That's just one thing that kind of pops out at me.

1:30:09 – 1:30:36Speaker 2

I know there's three exits. I know when the state fire marshal came, he talked about the egress and talked about... the infant and toddler wing having its own exit. He talked about the back door being an exit and the front door and the measurements and all that great stuff. So I'm assuming that's something that cleared with him.

1:30:37 – 1:31:12Speaker 10

Yeah. I do see that as a problem. Let's see what else we got here. Okay. How, the older kids, parents come pick them up, they go two, three doors down to the car wash, they find out the car wash has candy and ding-dongs and all that stuff. How are you gonna keep the kids inside and not try and leave during, how are you gonna keep kids from escaping or leaving the premises?

1:31:14 – 1:31:34Speaker 2

So we do have a door that stays locked, supervision. You know, with my adults, they'll be there to ensure that kids are engaged and stay within the four walls of our building. Same as a school and any other place where kids are unhappy and want to get out. There's processes and procedures.

1:31:34 – 1:32:37Speaker 10

Okay. All righty. Now real quick to a little turn around those spots Turned off I guess one through seven is it on the other side? Is that the U-Haul? Okay So is there any way to get around those spots like if you were to put in concrete parking lot barriers I Like to the right or left of spot number one? Is there a cut through that? Yeah, are here. Down right in there, right in that area. Is that a can that be a cut through from? U haul if if you have the other spots blocked off with the concrete barriers. Right right where the pointer is, they can still drive through that area.

1:32:39Speaker 2

Yes. Okay. Well, I don't know with the dumpster there if they could get through.

1:32:46 – 1:32:57Speaker 10

All right. Okay. All right. I think that went faster than I thought. Thank you. That's all I have. And thank you very much, too. Oh, thank you for your questions.

1:32:57Speaker 2

You guys, your questions are, yeah, they actually help.

1:33:02 – 1:33:14Speaker 10

Yeah, and I will say my daughter, like I said, being a director and everything, I had her go through my packet with me to ask a bunch of questions. She helped you out. I got you. Yeah, so, okay. I appreciate it.

1:33:14Speaker 2

No problem. Thank you.

1:33:17Speaker 3

Councilman Egan.

1:33:18 – 1:33:47Speaker 14

Yeah, just real quick to follow up. I would appreciate if you could, because I really can't see this diagram, all of the specifics. I'd appreciate if you could make the documents if we don't already have them in the city, if we have those. That's my first request. And then my second question would be, my diagram looks like parking space number one and two is kind of boxed and has lines going through it. What does that mean?

1:33:48Speaker 2

that they're designated for drop off no matter what no no there will be so then there won't be parking in one or 2.

1:33:57Speaker 14

There will be drop off and pick up so then the number of spots we have been or 3 through 7 and then 8 through 14 correct. Yes, which is total of 12 correct.

1:34:18Speaker 2

I count 12 So those aren't parking spots incorrect So then we have a total of 12 parking spots on this sheet, correct And the four in the back

1:34:42Speaker 14

All right, thank you. If we could get a better diagram, I sure would appreciate it.

1:34:49Speaker 2

I don't think we have a copy of this one.

1:34:56Speaker 14

We don't have any in our packet. I have it on digital here, even on this one. But if we get one, we're blowing up clear to see what room is what room. I'd appreciate it.

1:35:06Speaker 11

I thought we had those made. Those were given to the Planning and Zoning Commission. They don't send them to the council.

1:35:13Speaker 2

Gotcha. They didn't tell me I needed to make two groups of 11.

1:35:19Speaker 6

We have it here.

1:35:22Speaker 14

If you could get that to our city clerk, she'll distribute it to us. I'd appreciate it.

1:35:29 – 1:36:09Speaker 3

happening thank you uh... couple of follow-up questions a lot of my questions were answered uh... narrowed down uh... in our in our staff report uh... under existing site conditions there's a line that says because the proposed use includes care for children under two and a half years of age the design professional shall demonstrate compliance with the apical provisions of the 2021 international building code for group e and or group i for occupancies Just wondering if... We have two.

1:36:10 – 1:36:49Speaker 6

So you're aware of that? Yes, absolutely. They're typically only I-4, but we've got, now that it's bumped up to 2021, the requirements for fire suppression are different. And so you can see here... I've lined out where there is a two-hour separation between occupancies. So the e-use would be actually for the small kit, so I can isolate that from the rest of it, which then would be the i4 use group.

1:36:49 – 1:37:02Speaker 3

Okay, thank you for speaking to that. And then a follow-up question about the staff ratio. I, too, have a lot of experience with kids.

1:37:02Speaker 2

Yeah, I don't have it. My numbers and things.

1:37:05 – 1:37:20Speaker 3

Sure, I think my recommendation, just based on my thoughts and my experience, I mean, that's how you could have at any time really want just one person because, you know, when you go to answer the door, you answer the phone or, you know, I feel like you would always need two people on site.

1:37:21 – 1:37:56Speaker 3

In my opinion because just things happen and you need a team member, right? Right. So there's that. And then clarification about the overnight staff because I think that's probably something we're trying to get our heads around. How that happens and I know that you know in my work I have had kids that I knew that went to overnight at times In some cases that I can think of those were actually foster student foster kids but the overnight shift Would the staff always be expected to be awake and

1:37:57Speaker 2

Would they be expected to be awake? Definitely. When kids are sleeping, you're supposed to be supervised.

1:38:04Speaker 3

So everybody that's working would be awake.

1:38:07 – 1:38:51Speaker 3

Okay. And then... The other concern I have, and I'm sure it's your concern too, because you're an educator, is that, you know, kids coming to school tired. You know, and that could happen when they're at home, you know, maybe even more so. But for school-age kids, you know, the kindergarten through sixth grade or whatever, right, if they're there, would they go straight to school then from the overnight or... I don't know how that works. I guess if it's, you know, 11 to 7 shift and they, you know, I mean, most elementaries don't start until after 8 around here, but I wonder where they would, would they go straight to school?

1:38:51Speaker 2

No, parents would, they would have to pick their kid up after the shift is over. They would have to pick them up and take them to school. Yes. Okay.

1:38:56 – 1:40:00Speaker 3

Yeah. Okay. I just have seen that be hard on kids to do that. I'm not saying, that might be the best option or the safest option for them at that time. So I understand that. So that was my wonder and my sort of thought around trying to, you know, make it work, right? Yeah. So let's see. I think someone already asked about the tornado and I guess having not been in the building and I haven't seen the building, I've driven by, but the exterior, was wondering about exterior windows we don't know you know if they're do we know if there are how many exterior windows there are well they're all front facing which is in the north okay so everything's front so there should be a wall there like you said okay designated play space got it and then i'm thinking if there's a basement really the safest place wouldn't be to be in the basement you know there's an actual tornado there is a basement so if you get out of the 115 wind zone then it would work for that right right right is it an icc 500 storm shelter

1:40:01Speaker 6

No, because the construction of the original building doesn't have uplifting resistance or anything like that. It would work better than a hallway if it is there.

1:40:09Speaker 3

But then there is, you know, is there an escape from the basement? Or a tornado? Oh, there is. Okay, so there's a... There is.

1:40:16Speaker 6

There's a man born and overran a rolling door.

1:40:19Speaker 3

What kind of door?

1:40:19Speaker 6

There's a man door and a rolling overhead door.

1:40:22Speaker 3

Okay, so two different ways to get out.

1:40:25Speaker 6

There's a ramp that descends to the basement. I see. And there's a rolling overhead door. They actually filled that in the opening still there, but there's also another man door.

1:40:35 – 1:40:52Speaker 3

Okay, thank you so much. Thank you for being here this evening and for... Helping us understand this and respect you for trying to fill a need here in the community. For sure there is a need there. So anything else? I don't see.

1:40:52 – 1:41:26Speaker 13

Mr. President, may I clarify my response to Mr. Caputo about The shopping center please tested my memory Jeff and I was almost 100 correct Daycare centers are not allowed in a shopping center and shopping center is defined as two or more businesses located under a common roof Not a common wall So that's why they're not a shopping center Thank you for testing I would say if you do get access to the building and if

1:41:29 – 1:41:54Speaker 3

If there's some communication on changes or updates or things like that, we'd certainly encourage you to come to the next meeting as well, too, because we may have more questions before the next meeting to be able to clarify. So there will be a first reading tonight, and then another one would probably take place at the next meeting.

1:41:55Speaker 2

So do you suggest I wait before working on the building?

1:41:58Speaker 3

I don't believe you can start work on the building before.

1:42:02Speaker 2

Okay. That's right? Understood.

1:42:04Speaker 3

Yeah, so it wouldn't be, it would have to be approved before you begin the work, so. Okay. But any details out of tonight's meeting that you could bring back would be.

1:42:14 – 1:42:37Speaker 3

Yeah, would be helpful. Once you get access to the building and you know more of like the operational plans or, you know, some of the questions that were brought up that, you know, We weren't able to answer because you haven't been in the building yet, you know, haven't had access to it. That might be helpful. Okay. To have, so, okay. And you can always reach out.

1:42:37 – 1:43:03Speaker 2

I was just going to say, what questions were not per se answered? Specifically, what do I need to bring back, basically? What is my homework? I thought I answered pretty. Okay. The two year olds. Okay.

1:43:07 – 1:43:42Speaker 3

Okay. We could talk more after this as well. Okay. Thank you. All right. Before we close this public hearing, is there anyone in the audience who would like to comment on this public hearing? Seeing no comments, Councilman Egan moves to close this public hearing. Second by Councilman Caputa. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? This public hearing is closed.

1:43:43Speaker 2

Thank you. You want me to just leave this here?

1:43:46 – 1:44:21Speaker 3

The next item on the agenda is old business. The first item is bills for second reading. Bill number 10259. Councilman Egan moves to substitute the second, the substitute bill. Second by Councilman Parson. Any discussion? All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Councilman Egan moves for a second reading. seconded by Councilman Manganielli Any discussion? Oh, I'm sorry. We are all in favor any opposed?

1:44:23 – 1:44:52Speaker 11

Ordinance to amend section 405 251 outdoor lighting regulations to clarify temporary holiday decorations and additional general lighting standards Councilman Egan moves for a third reading seconded by Councilman Childress all in favor any opposed? In accordance to amend section 405.251 outdoor lighting regulations to clarify temporary holiday decorations and additional general lighting standards.

1:44:54Speaker 3

Before the final vote is taken, is there anyone in the audience who would like to speak on this bill? Hearing none, clerk please pull the council for the final vote.

1:45:03Speaker 11

Egan? Yes. Huda? Yes. Sheldra? Yes. O'Donnell? Yes. Pagano? Yes. Parson? Yes. Siam? Yes. Harris? Yes. Manganielli? Yes.

1:45:14Speaker 3

Bill number 10259 passes and becomes ordinance number 9253. Bill number 10260.

1:45:25 – 1:45:42Speaker 11

An ordinance of the City of Florissant, Missouri authorizing and directing the submission of a ballot proposition to the qualified voters of the City of Florissant, Missouri to consider an amendment to Article 8, Section 8.1 of the Charter of the City of Florissant to remove certain recommendations for the Director of Public Works.

1:45:50 – 1:46:10Speaker 3

Councilman O'Donnell moves for a second reading. Well, we forgot to call for it. We did the second reading already, but we forgot to call for it. So we still need to call for it, right? Okay, so Councilman O'Donnell moves for a second. Seconded by Councilman Manganielli. Discussion? All in favor? Aye. Any opposed?

1:46:11 – 1:46:26Speaker 11

Sorry, I got ahead of myself. An ordinance of the City of Florissant, Missouri authorizing and directing the submission of a ballot proposition for qualified voters in the City of Florissant, Missouri to consider an amendment to Article 8, Section 8.1 of the Charter of the City of Florissant to remove certain recommendations for the Director of Public Works.

1:46:28Speaker 3

Councilman Caputo moves for a third reading, seconded by Councilman O'Donnell. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed?

1:46:36 – 1:46:53Speaker 11

an ordinance of the City of Florissant, Missouri authorizing and directing the submission of a ballot proposition to the qualified voters of the City of Florissant, Missouri to consider an amendment to Article 8, Section 8.1 of the Charter of the City of Florissant to remove certain requirements for the Director of Public Works.

1:46:54 – 1:47:05Speaker 3

Well, that one has been read plenty of times. Before the final vote is taken, is there anyone in the audience that would like to speak on this bill? Hearing none, clerk, please call the council for the final vote.

1:47:06Speaker 11

Egan? Yes. Caputo? Yes. Shildrop? Yes. O'Donnell? Yes. Pagano? Yes. Parson? Yes. Siam? Yes. Harris? Yes. McAnally? Yes.

1:47:16 – 1:47:36Speaker 3

Bill number 10260 passes and becomes ordinance number 9254. Okay. Bill number 10261. I believe there's going to be an amendment to this one. Councilman Egan.

1:47:37 – 1:48:17Speaker 14

Thank you, Mr. President. I'd like to offer the following amendment to this ordinance. It currently reads, all resolutions shall be called upon for consideration once before final passage and shall be read in their entirety or by title upon introduction and we passed on the day of their introduction by the affirmative vote of all members of the council who are present. I'd like to substitute that language with this language. All resolutions shall be called upon for consideration once before final passage and shall be read in their entirety or by title upon introduction.

1:48:20 – 1:48:52Speaker 3

Councilman Egan moves to amend the language. Seconded by Councilwoman Pagano. Any discussion? All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? The bill is amended. Councilman Caputa moves for a second reading with the amended language. Second. Seconded by Councilman Egan. Any discussion? All in favor? Aye. Any opposed?

1:48:54 – 1:49:10Speaker 11

In Ordinance of the City of Florissant, Missouri, authorizing and directing the submission of a ballot proposition to qualified voters of the City of Florissant, Missouri, to consider an amendment to Article III, Council, Section 3.7, Legislative Proceedings of the Charter of the City of Florissant to amend requirements for resolutions.

1:49:11Speaker 3

Councilman Caputo, members, for a third reading. Seconded by Councilman Shieldroth. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed?

1:49:21 – 1:49:37Speaker 11

An ordinance of the City of Florissant, Missouri authorizing and directing the submission of a ballot proposition to the qualified voters of the City of Florissant, Missouri to consider an amendment to Article 3, Council, Section 3.7, Legislative Proceedings of the Charter of the City of Florissant to amend requirements for resolutions.

1:49:37Speaker 3

Before the final vote is taken, is there anyone in the audience who would like to speak on this bill? Hearing none, clerk, please poll the council for the final vote.

1:49:46Speaker 11

Egan? Yes. Caputa? Yes. Sheldra? Yes. O'Donnell? Yes. Pagano? Yes. Parson? Yes. Sian? Yes. Harris? Yes. Manganielli? Yes.

1:49:56 – 1:50:08Speaker 3

Bill number 10621 passes and becomes ordinance number 9255. The next item on the agenda is new business. The first item under new business is board appointments. Councilman O'Donnell.

1:50:09Speaker 5

Thank you, Mr. President. I'd like to appoint Jennifer Connor, award six to the Citizens Participation Commission.

1:50:17Speaker 3

Seconded by Councilman Egan. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? The appointment is made.

1:50:25 – 1:50:36Speaker 3

Okay. The next item on the agenda is request, of which there are none. The next item on the agenda is bills for first reading. Bill number 10268.

1:50:38 – 1:50:50Speaker 11

Coordinates authorizing a special use permit for Dr. Sarah Briscoe, DBA Inspire Change Academy, to operate a child care center at 1930 North Highway 67 and a B3 extensive business district.

1:50:51Speaker 3

Bill number 10269.

1:50:54 – 1:51:10Speaker 11

Ordinance, ordinance, amending ordinance number 9184 for Dr. Yaki, DBA Dr. Yaki Rafa Elohim Holistic Clinic for the installation of a wall sign exceeding 40 square feet at 660 Charbonnier Road in a B5 plant commercial district.

1:51:11Speaker 3

Bill number 10270.

1:51:14 – 1:51:26Speaker 11

We're now submitting Chapter 120, Boards, Commissions, and Committees, Article 5, Disability Awareness Commission, and Article 6, Diversity and Inclusion Commission, by deleting it in its entirety and replacing it with a new section.

1:51:28Speaker 3

Councilman Schiller offers me for a second reading. Seconded by Councilman Caputa. Is there any discussion? All in favor? Against?

1:51:38 – 1:51:49Speaker 11

Ordinance amending Chapter 120, Boards, Commissions, and Committees, Article 5, Disability Awareness Commission, and Article 6, Diversity and Inclusion Commission, by deleting it in its entirety and replacing it with a new section.

1:51:50Speaker 3

Councilman Schildraff, news for a third reading. Seconded by Councilman Caputo. Roll call vote, please.

1:51:56Speaker 11

Egan. Yes. Caputo. Yes. Schildraff. Yes. O'Donnell. Yes. Pagano. Yes. Parson. Yes. Siam. Harris. Yes. Manganiello.

1:52:07 – 1:52:19Speaker 11

We're in submitting Chapter 120, Boards, Commissions, and Committees, Article 5, Disability Awareness Commission, and Article 6, Diversity and Inclusion Commission, by deleting it in its entirety and replacing it with a new section.

1:52:20Speaker 3

Before the final vote is taken, is there anyone in the audience who would like to speak on this bill? Hearing none, Clark, please poll the council for the final vote.

1:52:29Speaker 11

Egan. Yes. Cabuda. Yes. Sheldra. Yes. O'Donnell. Yes. Pagano. Yes. Parson. Yes. Siam. Yes. Harris. Yes. Manganielli. Yes.

1:52:39Speaker 3

Bill number 10270 passes and becomes ordinance number 9256. Bill number 10271.

1:52:48Speaker 11

Ordinance authorizing the mayor to accept a proposal from Dakin MTMI for ice rink mechanical system improvements and execute a contract pursuant thereto.

1:53:00Speaker 3

Councilman Caputo moves for a second reading. Seconded by Councilman Manganielli. Is there any discussion? All in favor? Aye. Any against?

1:53:10Speaker 11

Ordinance authorizing the mayor to accept a proposal from Dakin TMI for ice rink mechanical system improvements and execute a contract pursuant thereto.

1:53:20Speaker 3

Councilman Caputo moves for a third reading. Seconded by Councilman Egan. Roll call vote, please.

1:53:26Speaker 11

Egan. Yes. Huda. Yes. Sheldra. Yes. O'Donnell. Yes. Pagano. Yes. Carson. Yes. Siam. Yes. Harris. Yes. Manganielli.

1:53:36Speaker 11

Ordinance authorizing the mayor to accept a proposal from Dakin TMI for the ice rink mechanical system improvements and execute a contract pursuant thereto.

1:53:46Speaker 3

Before the final vote is taken, is there anyone in the audience who would like to speak on this bill? Hearing none. Clerk, please call the council for the final vote.

1:53:55Speaker 11

Egan? Yes. Caputa? Yes. Sheldra? Yes. O'Donnell? Yes. Pagano? Yes. Parsons? Yes. Siam? Harris? Yes. Singano? Yes.

1:54:05Speaker 3

Bill number 10271 passes and becomes ordinance number 9257. The next item on the agenda is council announcements.

1:54:15 – 1:54:41Speaker 10

Councilman Manganielli. Thank you, Mr. President. Real quick, I just want to remind everybody the most important day of the year is coming up on September 12th for the Italian Festival. We have half of everybody up here. That's been a great help with this event. It will be a wonderful family event with live Italian music, food, and activities for the kids. Hope to see everybody there.

1:54:46Speaker 3

The next item in the agenda is the message from our mayor.

1:54:49 – 1:55:48Speaker 1

Thank you. I first want to send my condolences out to the family of Mayor Reggie Jones. He was such a great man and did so many great things for the city of Delwood and certainly is going to be missed. But just a great leader. We lost a great leader here in North St. Louis County. So then just a few things that are happening. This Wednesday is our next Wednesday night out. That's going to be at the Florissant Old Town Marketplace. The Saturday is the 50th annual Polish festival which could be a Shane home association That's gonna run from say noon to 8 Don't forget on Labor Day. We got the bicycle race the Gateway Cup It's gonna be through with the old town area starting right here at City Hall And we will have a September 11th remembrance ceremony that will be held at the VFW post 4105 on st. Francis Street at 6 o'clock they're gonna do a patriotic run and And then at 7, we'll have a ceremony. That'll be it. Thank you.

1:55:48 – 1:56:04Speaker 3

Thank you, Mayor. The next regular meeting for the City Council will be on Monday, September 28, 2026. Councilman Manganielli moves to adjourn the regular meeting. Seconded by Councilman Siam. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? The meeting is adjourned.

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