City Council - Regular Meeting

Please, the time now is 5-17 on September 9, 2026. I would like to convene the City Council meeting adjacent agency to the Westminster Redevelopment Agency meeting. This is a closed session, so meeting call to order. Roll call, please.

Mayor Nguyen. I'm here. Vice Mayor Nguyen.

Here.

District 1, Councilwoman Fen West. Fen West, aye. District 2, Councilmember Monzo.

Here.

District 4, Councilmember Nguyen.

I'm here.

Mayor, you have a quorum with all members present.

All right. Before we ask for any open up for public comment, would you please go ahead and read the item for closed session today? And the oral communication just for closed session item only.

The City Council will recess to a closed session for the following purpose. Conference with Real Property Negotiators, Government Code Section 54956.8, Property Miriam Warren Building, 15550 Beach Boulevard, Westminster, California. City Negotiator, City Manager Christine Cordon, Assistant City Manager Adolfo Osieda, Negotiating Party, VHV Foundation, to Vietnamese Cultural Center under negotiation price and terms of payment.

All right, is there anyone sign up to speak today?

I have two speakers for oral communication. Okay. I'm sorry, for closed session. First speaker is Michael Varengia, followed by Terry Raines.

Good evening. I'm not used to being here this early either, but I wanted to be here for this. You want to give away the Miriam Warren Building to this organization, the Thu Vien Vietnam Vietnamese Cultural Center. So how many other things are we going to look at for a Vietnamese cultural center? We heard about the museum. We heard about the Rose Center. Now it's the Warren Building. Whose friend is this? Because the Rose Center, that's obvious where that went. I missed that meeting. But I knew what was going to happen. I knew it. And so did everybody else that was in that meeting knew what was going to happen. That top finisher wasn't going to get that contract or that nod for taking it over. And this is another thing. Why do we have to have a Vietnamese cultural center in this city? There's one right next door in Garden Grove. Is this something so you can see your name on a plaque on the building? Is that what it is? They're going to tear it down? They're going to rebuild on the property? I mean, this is ridiculous, folks. How about if we focus on running the city and focus on what's important about the city, whether it's crime, whether it's homelessness, whether it's traffic, whether it's attracting businesses to provide tax revenue to run the city so we're not shortchanged on down the road and we'll be scrambling trying to raise taxes because we didn't pay attention to it a few years before that. This is getting absurd. This really is. And it seems like every meeting there's another giveaway for something. And you can ignore me while I'm up here. I don't mind. I've had better people than that ignore me. So how about let's focus on running the city? There's people watching this now, and they're going to be here for the next part of the meeting, and they're going to want answers. What is it you're giving away that's part of the city? I don't expect anything from you, but I wanted to have my say on this, because this is all BS.

Next speaker, Donald Link, followed by Lon Nguyen.

Well, this won't be very long. I just had one question. You're going to move the Vietnamese library into the Merriam-Warren, and are you going to have them pay a fair value for that building? Are you going to raise the money for it yourself? I'm looking at you because you're the leader of this. This is not a group decision. They were just forced to go along with it. The other thing, too, does the Infinity dealership know you're giving away their building? More to follow. Terry will explain that for you.

Lone Wind, followed by Terry Raines.

Good evening, City Council. I was expecting a group of people to be here. So I have two version here, a nicer one and an honest one. And I think I need to go with an honest one. So my name is Luan Nguyen. And I'm a long-term Westminster resident. I'm here to speak on behalf of the behind closed door negotiation between the city council and private nonprofit organization. I'm talking about private. I see this issue as non-negotiable transaction, meaning the city council should not be allowed to negotiate a city community property behind closed doors. No, this is a community property. It's just day as such. And speaking not only as a concerned citizen, but also as a Vietnamese citizen. I would stand up here and call the council out even if the organization that the city council wants to negotiate with it not a Vietnamese own private nonprofit. I wrote this so I could speak to the organization, but here's the thing, if I could speak with the organization that wants to take the building away from the community, please rethink. We have escaped from communism to come to the land of the free and where everyone is supposedly treated fairly? Do you want to use the dictatorship of this mayor and his city council to take the community center that belongs to everyone in the community and hand it over to your organization? That what you would expect from the country that we escaped from. We shouldn't be expecting it here. Please consider the favor that she surely promised you, the museum type culture center that already exists in the community. Please work together to get this place, this place that you want, should be in the heart of Low Saigon. I'm not saying that because of racism or anything, because I'm Vietnamese, but I would want something like that in Low Saigon.

Time is up, ma'am. Thank you. Thank you.

Last in-person speaker, Terry Raines.

stop your agenda doesn't legally identify the property under negotiation it states mary moran building one five five five zero beach but mary warren is one four four nine one beach one five five five zero is an entirely different city owned former rda property occupied by infinity your closed session agenda points the public to the wrong city property and given this city's notorious history this should alarm everyone Lest we forget, in 2016, 10,000 square feet of Liberty Park was presented and sold as excess property on a consent calendar without required parkland sale procedures. City officials later admitted the sale was problematic. The city attorney even excused his role by blaming, you guessed it, inaccurate closed session agenda descriptions. Now, 10 years later, another public property, more shady negotiations, and an erroneous closed session description of the wrong property. You noticed 1550 Beach, you're negotiating 14491 Beach, correct it, re-notice it, do not proceed today. Marymore was built with redevelopment funds on city land and city community building. The design separated chamber offices from the community room maintained for municipal and community use. The city set public rental rates and residents, nonprofits, businesses, and the city have all used and rented it for 16 years now. But now this council's authoritarian regime proposes changing its control use and public access, handing over to one Vietnamese private nonprofit for a Vietnamese museum, library, cultural center, excluding everyone else. Not so fast. The city's zoning map shows park open space, Zoning for the hazard parking area per WMC 17240-05. Park open space exists to regulate, protect, and preserve publicly accessible land. 17240-20 allows only public parks and related recreational or water facilities by right. CUP uses are limited to private recreation, private open space, RV storage, and mobile home parks. Private nonprofit, museum, library, cultural center, not listed. 17220 uses not listed for a zoning district are not permitted. WMC 17-550-10, CUPs apply only to uses the code identifies for a CUP. 17-550-020 requires the funding that the use is allowed. So they are with the CUP. So VHB can't get and operate under a CUP either. We demand that you identify the exact property boundaries and control being handed to BHV before it happens. Does it include park and open space parking area? What zoning authority permits this use? Is rezoning or separate parkland state law procedures required? Take some notes, Scott. What happens to public access, rental, and use? The answers aren't behind closed doors discussing price in terms of payment. These are public land use access, zoning, and legal issues. Therefore, council shall not proceed until we see a parcel map showing the entire proposed lease area, all zoning designations, the park open space boundary, redevelopment restrictions, and a legal written opinion of if and how exclusive private control complies with the public purposes for which this property was acquired, funded, built, and maintained. This is public property, not your personal playground. Don't repeat Liberty Park.

Mayor, we have no further speakers in person, and we have no speakers via Zoom.

Thank you very much. I can choose to be silent. It's getting ridiculous here, but I just want to make a few points. I respect your opinions, but talk is cheap. If you think I'd do a better job than that for you, Lon Nguyen, you are running for candidate for District 4. It's a free campaign for you right now. but you'll know that being going behind the door and talking to people unlawfully, right? If you are violating the Prawak or those things. You are going in jail for that. So I want to let you know, if you ever get into this dias, please don't do so, okay? That's enough. Now, for us, for the city, that's for the city, how many things that we did over the years? You don't discount the... the efforts, the dedication of all these people working for the city. All you do is just look into one thing and you said that we are doing that. Well, what about those things? I have my right. Please, this is the time for me to respond to you. so it is something that you have to take into consider friend fairness is what we're looking for here so at this time is there anything from the council yes mayor okay go ahead so this is uh prop it wasn't properly noticed can we proceed at your city attorney so excuse me it's my turn to speak i would appreciate not being interrupted so um there is a

So it is correct that you do need to list the correct address on the agenda. There's also a general rule that says that minor technical mistakes don't prevent you from meeting in closed session. And I can think of one court case in particular that there was an incorrect cross-reference, like they cited to the incorrect government code section. I'm researching right now to see whether that would apply in this instance. It is not clear to me that it would be lawful to meet in closed session, so my suggestion would be that we do two things. Number one is that we adjourn at this time, and that we not meet in closed session unless I confirm that it is legal, in which case then we proceed, and if not, that we would re-agendize this for a future meeting.

So if you do whatever your findings are, do you need to come back here and announce it before we go into closed session?

Well, my suggestion would be that you adjourn to closed session and that during the report out at the meeting, we can indicate whether we actually met or whether we did not meet. okay and then can we make sure that we that this that the use is properly zoned for uh per the municipal code that that would be a given that we wouldn't that number one is the city council would not be authorizing any final action in closed session that would have to occur in open session number one number two is if that were to occur of course we would make sure that it would comply with whatever the zoning is and if the zoning requires a zone amendment then you would do that i'm not saying whether it does or not i haven't even looked into the issue okay um but this is we're very you know we we are where we are in the process and that's something that we would deal with down the road okay

All right, if there's no other comments, I would like to recess for city court closed session and we'll be back later. That's probably six o'clock.

We need to recess and let the city attorney determine if we can do closed session.

Correct. My guess is that we will not convene the closed session, but if the advice is different, then we will go ahead and conduct that closed session.

So you want a recess?

We'll recess at this time, yes.

Okay, we can go ahead and recess. Be quiet, please. I ask you respectfully, okay? Please, we did not interrupt you and we expect you not to interrupt the city council. Can we do that? If not, I will ask you to leave the city council. after enough warnings to you, because we need to conduct a city council meeting. Thank you. At this time, we can take whatever time to recess and discuss about the item, and we'll come back. Recess?

So the city council has not met in closed session. However, you do have the option to make a finding to add an item to the agenda, and it would be the exact same agenda item, but with the revised address. But if you're going to do that, then you would need to have at least four council members vote in favor of that. You would need to make a finding on two basis. Number one, that it came to the attention of the city after the agenda was posted. um that there was a need to add this to the agenda and number two that there is an urgent reason that you need to take immediate action on this and the factual basis to support that would be that the existing lease agreement with they have an existing lease which has already expired so delaying it may cause harm so if that's a basis that you wish to take into consideration, you can make that finding and then we can add that agenda item to closed session.

I would like to motion to move forward with the findings that you just mentioned about. So would you please, in short, go ahead and... Is there a second? Is there a second to this?

I second it.

All right. So this time, go ahead and make a roll call, please.

Okay. Mayor Nguyen.

I'm here. I'm sorry. Yes.

Okay. Vice Mayor Nguyen.

Yes.

District 1 Councilwoman Van West. Van West, aye. District 2 Councilmember Monzo.

Yeah.

District 4 Councilmember Nguyen.

Yes. All right.

So you have a motion carried 5-0.

All right, thank you very much. So with this, I will recess for closed session and we'll come back later. Good evening. The time now is 6.49 on September 9, Wednesday, and I would like to reconvene the City Council Successor Agency to the Westminster Redevelopment Agency meeting. The meeting is now called to order. Would you do the roll call, please?

Thank you, Mayor. Mayor Nguyen?

I'm here.

Vice Mayor Nguyen.

Here.

District 1, Councilwoman Fen West. Fen West, aye. District 2, Councilmember Monzo.

I'm here.

District 4, Councilmember Nguyen.

I'm here.

Mayor, you have a quorum with all members present.

All right. Thank you very much. This is something that I want to do many, many years in my tenure. but I can't do it today. I would like to invite the pastor from the 14th Sixth Church, which is newly opened in our city. And I would like to have the opportunity for them to be here to do the prayer. and also introduce you that the community, we have, you know, a faith organization, and, you know, it doesn't matter what kind of faith, but I think that it's very important for our city, so I would like to ask Pastor Paul and Pastor Lisa, please come to the podium and do the prayer, offer us the prayer. All right, please stand. For salute to the flag, today is going to be District 4, Council Member Nguyen, and invocation by pastor. Ready, begin.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. You can bow your heads with me. Heavenly Father, we are grateful for the city of Westminster and for all who live, work, and serve here. We lift up our city council, city staff, first responders, businesses, and community leaders. Give them wisdom, strength, integrity, and unity as they work together for the good of our city. Lord, strengthen Westminster. Protect our families. Bless our families. Protect our businesses and our neighborhoods. Care for our seniors. And give our young people hope for their futures. Where there are challenges, bring solutions. And where there is division, please bring unity. And Lord, help our 14-6 church be a church for this city. Open doors for us to partner with Westminster, meet needs, and serve our community well. Bless Westminster, strengthen Westminster, and may its best days still be ahead. In Jesus' name, amen.

Amen.

Thank you very much. Please be seated. I want to thank you both pastors from the 14th Sixth Church. They just had the grand opening last Saturday or Sunday, and I had the opportunity to attend the event. So it was a very crowded event, and congratulations for having it open here in the City of West Windsor. Thank you. Next is City Attorney. Closed session report, please.

We did meet in closed session to discuss the Miriam Warren Building at 14491 Beach Boulevard, Westminster Boulevard, California. Direction was provided. There's no reportable action.

All right. Thank you very much. Next is SPARTY Communication, including SB 1439, report when required. Is there anything from the dais? Hearing none, moving on to City Club Report, please.

Mayor, I have nothing to report.

All right, moving on to city manager report, please.

Thank you, Mayor Rims, the City Council. So first, this Friday is the 25th anniversary of the 9-11 tragedy, and so OCFA is inviting anyone who would like to join. You can visit any Division I fire station at 8.45 a.m. this Friday for a brief ceremony and a moment of silence as we pause to reflect on the events on that fateful day 25 years ago. So please, if you would like to attend, please arrive by 8.30 a.m. Next, the Westminster Family Resource Center and the Community Engagement Advisory Committee invite the community to join us on Wednesday, September 16th at 4 p.m., which is the next slide, at Sigler Park for a special Hispanic Heritage Celebration.

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We are... Please come out and enjoy an afternoon of community, culture, and fun. Light refreshments will be provided along with crafts and activities for the youth, entertainment for the entire community, and a fun pinata to wrap up the celebration for the children. For more information, contact Westminster Family Resource Center at 714-903-1331 or visit us at 7200 Plaza Street over at Sigler Park and come out and enjoy. Hopefully it won't be as hot. Okay, next slide, please. Help us design a logo for the city's 70th anniversary in 2027. This contest is open now to Westminster residents, students, and eligible businesses with separate general and K-12 categories. Winners will receive prizes, including $500 in local gift cards for the general category or commemorative merchandise for the K-12 category. Entries are due September 23rd. For additional information, visit the city's website or call the Community Services and Recreation Department at 714. 895-2860 speaking of more art we have the sigler box art signal box art program sorry about that still on that other event the signal box art program currently accepting applications we're inviting the west we're inviting all westminster residents or artists to help transform traffic signal boxes across the city into public art Individuals, groups, and school groups are all welcome to apply. Selected artists will receive a $750 stipend to bring their design to life. If you're ready to apply, check out the full details, requirements, and the application form on the city's website. Applications do close September 17th at 5 p.m. Seniors, join us for the free Moon Festival celebration on Monday, September 21st from 10 a.m. to 11 a.m. Come celebrate, enjoy the festivities, and spend time with friends. Preserve a spot today at the Senior Center front desk or by calling 714-895-2878. Okay, next slide. So our fall festival is just around the corner. Get ready for four exciting days of fun, food, entertainment, and community as the Westminster Fall Festival returns September 24th through the 27th at the Westminster Civic Center. This year's festival is bigger than ever, featuring all the fall festival favorites. So we have carnival rides for all ages, live entertainment, delicious food, unique vendors, and family-friendly activities, along with some new exciting experience. New this year, and we're super excited. We will be having a fall festival drone show on Friday day and experience the beauty and tradition of our moon lantern celebration on Saturday evening. Join us for a special cultural night celebrating Hispanic Heritage Month, which kicks off the event on Thursday. This year's festival will also feature a patriotic theme as we continue celebrating America's 250th anniversary. So whether you come for the rides, music, food, cultural celebrations, or just a great time with your family and friends, there will be something for everyone. And we still are accepting applications for any sponsors who would like to support the event. So for more information about the event, contact Community Services at 714-895-2860 or visit the city's website. And last but not least, so last time I did not have a picture of our canine Roy, but we've done one a little better than that. Westminster Police Department is proud to welcome its newest canine team member, Roy, who is a German-Dutch shepherd mix. Roy was born on October 3rd, 2024, in Hungary, where he completed extensive foundational training before arriving in the United States. So at this time, I would like to invite Chief Lanier to come forward and introduce Roy and his human partner.

Thank you, City Manager. I'd like to give a disclaimer first. Please don't reach out and try to touch the dog as he comes in. He's excited, be around a crowd, that kind of thing. I know, and my compulsion is too, is I want to go roll around on the ground with this dog and have cuddles. Please don't do that. That said, I also do want to throw out a thank you to Diana Carey, who's with us here tonight, who made, by a generous donation, Roy possible. And with that, Roy and his partner, David Gerkevich. Beautiful dog. I believe, did the council wanna take a picture with Roy and Diana?

Is that possible? Yes, we do. Do you have anything you wanna say, a few words before?

I'd just like to say thank you everybody for making this possible, especially Ms. Diana Carey and the Westminster Police Department. We look forward to serving the community and we're very happy to be here. Thank you guys for making this possible.

All right, at this time I would like to invite the council to have a picture with Roy and his partner.

Okay.

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Thank you. Okay. No, no worries. Thank you, guys.

Thank you.

All right, let's put our hands together to thank you and also congratulations to them, to the police department. That will take us to, well, I want to thank our city manager for the detailed reports, lots of activities, lot of activities, and with that, I want to thank each and every one of us from the staff. You put so much time into this to make it happen. I just want to let you know that over the years, staff and the city council have done a lot for this city, and we continue to do that, and for all the activities that you seen earlier or presented by the city manager, the city council fully support those activities. All right, let's move on to the special presentation. This is a good part, and I want to welcome each and every one of you to come to the city council meeting tonight. And you are free to express your opinions But at this time, I would like to do the presentation, and this presentation, our proclamation, World Alzheimer Awareness Month, September 2026, and World Alzheimer Awareness Month. More than 164,000 residents in Orange County and over six million Americans are currently living under Alzheimer's disease. The mission of Alzheimer's Orange County is to provide hands-on care and support, information, referrals, education, and resources for families in Orange County and surrounding areas who experience memory loss, Alzheimer's, and dementia. Now therefore, I, Chi Charlie Nguyen, Mayor of the City of Westminster, on behalf of Vice Mayor Mark Nguyen and Council Members Amy Fann West, Carlos Manzo, and Nam Quan Nguyen, do hereby proclaim September 2026 as World Alzheimer Awareness Month. in the city of Westminster and encourage all members of the community to learn and participate in activities that help raise awareness and knowledge. We are honored to present this proclamation to Patty Mouton and the Vice President of Alzheimer of Orange County. At this time, I would like to invite the council member to join me and the wadi at the podium. Thank you.

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Well, there are a lot more in this proclamation, but I kind of briefly mentioned it over a few minutes ago. So at this time, I would like to present to you the proclamation for Alzheimer's Awareness Month in September 2026. And thank you for all what you do for the community.

Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor. Appreciate it.

So you want to have a few words? Sure.

Well, I certainly appreciate this recognition from the city of Westminster. Thank you so much, Mr. Mayor, council members, staff, and neighbors. Alzheimer's Orange County has been helping families for 44 years. We're your local not-for-profit. And we would love to be able to help you if dementia has touched your family. Memory loss is something that happens to almost half of us when we reach age 85. So I hope you never need us. But if you do, we're certainly here to help. Thank you.

Thank you so much. Once again, congratulations and thank you for what you do for the community. That leads us to the oral communication concerning agenda items only. This is a courtesy reminder. I have been complaining by the city council members that we didn't take proper action at the city council meeting in term of preventing people interrupt their sharing or comments or discussions. And for those of you who have been here a long time, you know the process already. That you are not, you have your own time. There are two overall communication for you. One is for the agenda items. And another open up for anything that you want to talk about. And each time you have three minutes. And I instruct... the city council not to interfere while you are talking. So I accept the same thing from the audience, from you, that please let us discuss, don't try to interrupt us. And from now on, With the pressure from the city council members, each time that you're out and speak up, turn, at the time that you are not to speak, I will consider that's the first warning, the second warning, and the third warning, I will ask you to leave this council because we have work to do. We have work to do. So at this time, I would like to open for oral communication on concerning agenda items only. All right, go ahead and call for the first speaker.

This is the time of the meeting that the members of the public may address the City Council regarding any items on the agenda, except public hearing items. Members of the public wishing to address public hearing items shall do so at the time of the public hearing, unless otherwise extended by majority vote of the City Council. Comments will be limited to three minutes per speaker. Any person wishing to address the city council in person should complete a green speaker slip which are provided at the entrance to the council chambers and submit the card to the city clerk. When your name is called, please step up to the podium at that time and state your name and city of residence for the record. Pursuant to Senate Bill 707, this meeting is being conducted with both in-person and teleconference participation. The city will accept public communications from both in-person and remote participation. Public comments will be taken first from those attending in-person, followed by those participating remotely. Once all in-person comments have been completed, the city clerk staff will announce the names or last four numbers of the telephone numbers of the individuals who have requested to provide public comment remotely. Remote public commenters will receive the same time as members of the public commenting in person. Our first speaker is Michael Verangia, followed by Tammy Hamill.

while waiting for them to approach, I may add that will you please use the language that refrain from the profanity because we have student watching the city council so that they can do report and we don't want the young people to see, to hear what is not expected at the city council, thank you.

Thank you, council members. I'm currently the chair of the Citizens Oversight Committee for Measures Y and E. And I found out just a few days ago that there was a movement from one or more people on this council to remove one of my committee members from this committee. Now, I don't know the reasoning behind it. I don't know if it's some kind of ethics violation, or is it something she... stepped out of line for the rules and regulations of the committee, or is it something more than exercising your free speech that offended somebody on the council? And as the chairperson, that, yeah, I get it. However, standing up here, if I exercise my First Amendment rights, that's as a private citizen. Now, if I do that in a committee meeting for the Y&E committee, then shame on me. But if I'm standing up here as a private citizen and I decide to call you to task for something that the council is doing or going to do or did do, you're just going to have to sit and take it because that's what residents do is they let you know what kind of job you're doing. But if this person is being removed from the committee just because somebody was offended for things that were said or printed, something like that, that's really not very professional. if you're gonna be a professional city council member, then you sit up there and you take it like a man or a woman because you got elected, you answered to the public that elected you and the residents of the city. So please do me a favor folks, reconsider this because I'm dead set against it and it's not because there's a personal friendship or anything, it's I wanna know why any of the committee members would be removed. Thank you.

Tammy Hamill followed by Long Nguyen.

Good evening. Tammy Hamill, Westminster resident, District 1. Probably most likely to be soon ex-commissioner. I could give a speech about 9.1, but you've already decided. Your behavior at the last meeting clearly shows you've already decided what you wanted to do. It actually seemed like by your comments, Charlie, that you had maybe decided it before the meeting because the comments that you made immediately after I got done speaking, these two chiming in how outrageous it was, blah, blah, blah. So I'm not going to waste my time because you've already decided what you're going to do. with whatever little power you have over me, that's what you're gonna do, because you don't like what I said. The bigger issues are on this agenda and have been going on for years. You missed using our tax money and trying to get your hands on city institutions and resources for you and your friends. This 9.1 is just a distraction from all of that. Amy has been censured sanctioned and sued by you by the city for her horrendous accusations defamation calling out residents the horrible things that she does and now you're trying to walk some of that back because it's a mishap although she's never apologized. But why because what she's helping you politically now because you all seem to be in cahoots now. So. Do we have rules or don't we? You're just picking and choosing what rules you wanna apply when, great. But since you, again, mentioned the children watching council meetings, I have a couple questions. Which is harder to explain to children? Swear words or a female council member telling a male council member she has bigger balls than him? Which do you think a parent would appreciate explaining to their child? or swear words or a council member calling another council member a hoe because her last name is hoe and it fits her because she's a hoe. If you're so concerned about the children, why aren't you still going back to that and making her apologize for those things? You don't because she can help you now. All of this behavior, all the things that you've been doing just show how corrupt you are, incompetent you are, and how weak you are. And I wait for the city to vote the three of you out now, you next time, because we cannot do another four years with you up there completely misusing our tax money and using it when you didn't even want us to vote for those tax measures in the first place, and now using all that tax money for your personal pet projects.

Loan Nguyen followed by Donald Link.

Good evening. My name is Loan Nguyen. I'm a resident of District 4. I'm resident of Westminster for 35 years. I am here today to speak on item 9.1. I was here at the last meeting after you all made that decision that we knew you were collaborating except for Carlos. You were collaborating before the meetings and we all could see it. And don't tell me that you didn't because because he's using you and you know once he's no longer here, you will be irrelevant. So it's understandably that she used some square words, but was it the first time that anyone used the square words here? I heard you yell at each other and swearing at each other on the dice. So did anyone lose a job over that? So don't tell me just because you have the power, you want to do whatever you want. why you didn't punish the person for using square words on the dice. And if you were a good leader, you would know that why the resident were upset last time and why she was upset the way she upset and I was upset too. So I am, sorry, I'm still upset, So don't use the excuse that children were watching, I mean are watching, because you know that's not the reason that you want to do this. You want to use your power to do this. And we all know, and I already made the comment earlier, which you didn't like. But anyway, I'm not going to repeat. I do hope you reconsider, otherwise you're going to be known as you-know-what. All right, thank you.

Donald Link, followed by Roger Mindrum. Okay.

My name is Donald Lank. I'm a resident of Westminster. I am speaking as a private citizen in opposition to the request to remove Tammy Hamill from Citizen Oversight Committee. I'm not speaking in my capacity as a commissioner. At the last City Council meeting, Ms. Hamilton expressed an opinion regarding the possible award of the Rose Theatre to a totally undeserving unprepared without any or little reason to the LVT.

She was exercising her First Amendment rights.

And Amy, you should be aware that you've been doing that for four years, right? Saying you have the right to do this, you have the right to do that because of your First Amendment constitutional rights. I understand that Ms. Hamill used profanity during her remarks. That language may have been inappropriate and unprofessional, but the council may reasonably address whether it violated the committee's standards or conduct because she wasn't acting in her capacity as a committee member. She was acting as a citizen of Westminster with free speech and First Amendment rights. And you, Your Honor, I've got one here. I'm going to play it. And you said you use profanity. Let's play this for the audience. Oops. Technical difficulties. But I still got a minute to go. Here we go.

I am a piece of shit. I am your mayor. I am your mayor. Okay. Charlie, you're just a piece of shit. I am a piece of shit. You said it.

This is not me saying it.

I am your mayor. I am your mayor. Okay. Charlie, you're just a piece of shit. That's it.

So did you ever apologize for using that profanity and little children may have heard it? And if children are up that late at night, then maybe we should call Child Protective Services to see what's going on in your house. Anyway, thank you.

Roger Mendrum, followed by Terry Raines.

Good evening, Roger Mendrum, resident of Westminster. Newsflash for you, Charlie. You do not have the right or the power to tell us or anyone else what words we can and cannot use. You can't. I can sit here and say every cuss word I know. Not a damn thing you can do about it. What do you think gives you the right to do that? And if you are going to impose that, give us a list. Give us a list of what words we can't use. To me, and I expect many of us, the proposed removal of Tammy Hamill clearly appears to be retaliation for her criticism of your actions, your disregard for the public comments and emails, and for using a word that you apparently found offensive. Not an illegal word, not a threat, Apparently it just hurt your feelings. Tammy was speaking as a private citizen, not as a member of a volunteer committee. In my opinion, this is you as government attempting to penalize Tammy for criticizing you. But Tammy is a volunteer. You're not taking away from her livelihood. You're not hurting her at all. What you're potentially doing is making the Citizens Oversight Committee weaker. Remember, that committee provides citizen oversight of the city's receipt and expenditures of Measure Y and Measure East tax dollars. So removing someone willing to question and criticize government from a committee charged with oversight of government spending raises an obvious question. Is another effective watchdog becoming inconvenient to you? Recently, Mayor Wynne stood near the Charlie Kirk way in the signs during an ABC interview and stated his main reason for those signs was to promote freedom of speech. Freedom of speech cannot mean freedom only for speech you agree with, consider polite, or that makes you uncomfortable. Every one of you took an oath of office to support and defend the Constitution. The First Amendment says, in part, Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech and to petition the government to redress your grievances. That is especially relevant in this room. Residents standing at this podium criticizing their government and elected officials is the very heart of these protections. I personally had no problem with Tammy's choice of words. We hear these words in everyday conversations, television, movies, and on the internet every day. And if we're going to judge language in this chamber, let me remind you, Amy Found West has spoken here about her testicles being bigger than yours, Charlie. Many residents found that vulgar and objectionable. Nothing happened. Mayor Winn, when you were council member during a verbal vote, you responded with your vote with the words crap several times instead of yes or no. That was vulgar. You cannot celebrate the First Amendment when the speech suits you and object to free expression when it doesn't. As Supreme Court Justice Harlan said, one man's vulgarity is another man's lyric. Freedom of speech is easy to defend when you agree with the speaker. The real test is whether you defend it when you don't. Thank you.

And our last speaker, Terry Raines.

3.1 should be minutes, but again, none of the 12 missing in 2026 and 2025 minutes are presented. Unacceptable minutes of this body's official legal record and must be produced, presented, and approved promptly. 3.5, given Liberty Park's history before approving this $54,000 plan, identify the APNs, acreage, and legal boundaries it covers. When and how will the city legally decommission the 10,000 square feet of parkland illegally sold in 2016? The proposal calls for the formal site survey optional Yet the design relies on it and the total includes it. That's not optional. Why is a pump track to be included in the design with a designer already on board before community outreach determines whether residents want one? 9-1, pure chicken shit retaliation. Last meeting, Tammy Hamlin spoke as a resident, not an oversight committee member, fiercely criticizing our four communist dictators over the Rose Center and more, fiercely criticizing... The words, actions, decisions of our four communist dictators, yep, concerning the Rose Center and more. She used the F word, so did I, as she has before, but this time you snapped because the community stood with her and the Rose. Within minutes, Marky Mark, a.k.a. Major Mayor Ho Chi Nguyen's general secretary, moved to agendize, reversing his appointment of Terry Hamill to the Citizens Oversight Committee. Who the is Terry Hamill, Mark? You're so obsessed with exacting revenge on me, too, that you invented a hybrid target, resulting in a technically invalid motion the city clerk should not have corrected. Mayor Ho Chi Minh's regime sees us white folks as all the same person, though, right? Yeah, the regime's first secretary, Spam West, immediately seconded it and praised Mark's courage. Mayor Ho Chi Minh said, this is not the first time. I can't stand that kind of language in front of the council. Hey, BC Charlie, I can't stand that kind of language. It's not a constitutional standard. Council meetings are limited public forums, not First Amendment free zones. You may impose reasonable viewpoint neutral time, place, and manner restrictions and only punish actual disruption, period. You cannot retaliate against protected political speech because it offends you. The Ninth Circuit struck down Costa Mesa's ban on profane and solid personal or impertinent remarks, finding it unconstitutional. Council cannot restrict speech, Simply because it finds it offensive to Tammy perform, failed to perform her duties on the committee. No commissioners may serve at the county's, uh, council's pleasure, but government discretion is not a license for first amendment retaliation. By contrast, former Commissioner Tony Bowie failed his duties as a planning commissioner, slandered city staff, and evoked his commissioner title while doing it. You aren't punishing the F word, you're punishing an effective vocal critic. You four members of Ho Chi Minh's authoritarian regime deserve the highest criticism possible for destroying our community by violating law, ethics, policy, procedure, and our inalienable rights. If you remove Tammy tonight, you're sending a clear message to us residents. Criticize this council harshly and we'll find something to take away from you or something more to take away from you. And my reply to that, fuck you.

Mayor, we have no further speakers.

All right, I will have the fifth comments. First of all, I want to make it clear to you, I'm not infringing your First Amendment right. Every one of you are welcome to express yourself, you express your, speak your mind. And I want to answer Mr. Jr.'s syndrome, syndrome, that I didn't make everybody not to say it. I said, please refrain from using the profanity. I want to read that again for you. So don't come up with something that is, you know, that's right. You can go back and review. And talk is cheap. I like for you, anything that you accuse any council member here, please provide with evidence. Don't talk. Provide with evidence because it's a legal issue. If they do wrong, they are accountable for their action. Now, somebody said, I'm upset. Upset doesn't mean that doesn't allow you to use the profanity and yelling and screaming at the other people. I have the same issues with Council Member West and before. That was the reason why we have the audience, that was the reason why we have to file for lawsuit. Okay, same thing, I can't allow the audience to speak that way. and I am being blamed by these council members saying that I didn't keep the meeting in order. So that from now on, I am going to exercise the policy that we have set forth and we'll do that.

All right, is there anything else from the council?

All right, we move on to the next items. This is a consent calendar. All matters listed under consent calendar are considered routine and may be approved by a single motion, followed by a roll call vote. There will be no separate discussion of these items unless members of the city council or staff request that specific items be removed from the consent calendar for separate action or discussion. Is there a motion for this? Or anyone wants to pull up the item?

Motion to approve, Mayor.

I second it. Roll call vote, please.

I have a motion made by District 2 Council Member Monceau, seconded by Mayor Nguyen, to approve the consent calendar as presented. I'll go ahead and call roll. District 1 Councilwoman Fen West. Fen West, aye. Aye. District 2, Council Member Monzo?

Yes.

District 4, Council Member Nguyen?

Yes.

Vice Mayor Nguyen?

Yes.

Mayor Nguyen?

Yes.

Motion carried 5-0.

All right, moving on to public hearings. At this time, I will open for public hearings items. And would you please read the instruction into the record, please?

Any person wishing to speak on an open public hearing may speak in person. Speakers during public hearing comments will each have three minutes to speak on each public hearing item. Any person wishing to address the city council in person should complete a green speaker slip that is provided at the entrance to the council chambers and submit the card to city clerk staff. When your name is called, please step up to the podium at the time and state your name and city of residence for the record. Pursuant to Senate Bill 707, this meeting is being conducted with both in-person and teleconference participation. Public comments will be taken first from those attending in-person, followed by those participating remotely. Once all in-person comments have been completed, the city clerk staff will announce the names or last four numbers of the telephone numbers of the individuals who have requested to provide public comments remotely. Remote public commenters will receive the same time as members of the public commenting in-person. Zoom participants, if you would like to speak, please use the raise hand feature on Zoom or press star 9 if participating by telephone.

4.1 public hearing, CD jobs, vacancies, and recruitment retention efforts for AB2561 compliance. Stop report, please.

Good evening, Council, Mayor.

Can you hold on for a minute? All right, okay. It's come up now, sorry.

Good evening. This is the second year that we are presenting AB2561, in which we talk about vacancy rates within the city. This was legislature that had become effective in January 1 of 2025, and public agencies are required to annually present the status of the vacancies and recruitment retention efforts during a public hearing. Just to go over some of the rules, if the vacancy rate of a bargaining unit is over 20%, the public agency must provide additional vacancy recruitment information upon request of the bargaining unit. We also identify any policies, procedure, and recruitment activities that may present obstacles in hiring. So for this year, we are currently sitting at, for Westminster Police Officers Association, we're looking at a vacancy rate of 2.8. For the Westminster Municipal Employee Association, we're looking at 6.0. Admin, we are looking at 21.3. And executive, which is 11.1. Because admin is not a bargaining unit, they are employee group, we were not required to notify anybody. And this is of our 276 positions that have been budgeted and authorized. A list of our current vacancies, if you look on the right under the status and the box to the far right, I've noted what phases of the recruitment we're in, so I've put it into four phases. A no recruitment requested for phase zero, phase one would be posted accepting applications, phase two would be candidate review, phase three would be scheduled interviews, and phase four would be offer extended. Some of these positions have actually been, they've probably been elevated to three and four at this point, that were two and three. So some of these positions actually are no longer available or are already in the interview stage. As you can see, we have about half of them that are in the recruitment process and half of them that are not currently in the recruitment process. So what are the recruitment challenges that we're facing? So we definitely are still facing a talent shortage. We have a frequent number of unqualified applicants. I myself take the time to go through many of the applicants, especially for positions where we get a high volume of applicants and I like to do that just so I sort of keep the pulse on what the application pool is. And then the other issue that we're facing currently is we've had a lot of people who have been offered positions and then they rescind, we have to rescind them because they've either gone back to their own employer or they have been talking to multiple agencies and they've decided to ultimately go with another agency. We're seeing an uptick in that. I think there were five or six that we had this year. I think we've gotten a lot better in our lengthy hiring process as far as we can get people in once we have an offer but a lot of times our managers and directors are so busy they don't have time to get to some of these recruitments. And so at times it takes a little bit longer to do the recruitment process which then makes the recruitment go stale and then it limits our pool of candidates. And then the last one that, this was a hard one in the past, we've said salaries, but we made a great effort this year to financially incentivize our employees, so I didn't feel that that was as much of an issue as we've had in prior years. But I did do some research, and CalPERS has said that 54% of our active members are PEPRA employees. I know I've talked to you about this many times, but PEPRA doesn't have an economic advantage to say at an organization anymore. And so it's more common for them to jump from agency to agency because essentially there's an incentive to just go to the next level for money. And I do think this is a trend that you will hear me say every single year as long as the state does not reform PEPRA. So how do we combat that? My team is very flexible and adaptable with recruitment process. We try to work with the departments, we try to work with the candidates as best as we can in order to get that process going along. Our job postings, we are targeting them to specific websites and social media. So for example, We were currently looking for a city clerk. We spent time and money on finding websites that were city clerk specific so we could capture the right qualified candidate. We collaborate with our employee associations where we can. We continue to do informal benchmarking to ensure that we are competitive with not just our salaries but also with our benefits. We evaluate and we update job descriptions and position requirements as necessary. We expedite our hiring efforts. You increased authorized budget positions and we negotiated a multi-year agreement designed to address recruitment and retention. So we invite anybody who's interested in working for the city of Westminster to go onto our website and apply. Currently we have a couple of police officer positions open as well as dispatchers. We have a water superintendent, our part-time positions. We have a crossing guard, a recreation leader, and a senior rec leader. And you will see more of a presence with us for our recruitment efforts out at different events. And so we are also trying to go out to these events and talk more about Westminster and the positions we have available. That's the end of my presentation. If you have any questions.

All right, thank you very much for the presentation. Right now we are going to open up for the mayor and city council questions for staff, if there's any.

I have a question.

Yes, please.

Thank you for your presentation, Jody. First of all, on your scale, the phases of recruitment, all the ones that are zero, it says no recruitment requested. What is that requested by who?

Is that... By the hiring managers or directors.

That director, the department director? I'm sorry? The department director?

Yes.

But shouldn't, are we... Shouldn't we be, if they're already budgeted, shouldn't we be looking out to fill that position, those positions?

So typically we would, but there have been, when I have conversations with the department heads, there are a few positions that we're either reassessing, or we may have a lack of staff already in that area, and so by opening up certain positions, we would just create sort of a ripple effect of issues. I believe that all of these positions, or most, I'll say most, I will not say all, but most of these positions are looking to be opened probably within the next six months but some of them are being assessed uh we do have one that's right now contractually filled um and then the rest of them like when i look at the ones in the development department a lot of them are being assessed to make sure that they're the appropriate position for the for that department and the need um as along with the information technology system supervisor assistant city clerk we have that one on hold right now as we have an interim in that position and so all of them have uh different reasons for why the directors are pending those particular positions um i would how important is the housing specialist The housing specialist just became available probably about a month ago, and so I think currently we've had somebody, an analyst, who is assisting in that position, and between the old housing specialist and that analyst, I think there's a recommendation that will be sitting on the city manager's office. If it hasn't already been, it will be shortly.

Yeah, so I'll add to that. So just to put context, the last five years has been a lot of, it's been really important for me and every department to do a gap analysis every time that we have vacancies and just to make sure that positions are truly the right positions and that our needs are being fulfilled by the right skillset. And so every time there's a vacancy, I've required every department to really look at the positions to make sure that it fits the current needs. The housing specialist, yes, that's a position that we've mentioned where it is a division of one. It's actually not in the city manager's office right now. It was at the beginning of the fiscal year transferred to community development. But we are in the phases of evaluating whether that needs to remain a specialist or if the needs are much greater than what we've

what we've had in the past, and it needs to be a different kind of position.

So the tasks that are the responsibilities and job duties of all these vacant positions, they are being filled one way or another, but in some cases, not filling them provides us a strategic advantage of being able to look at the position to make sure that we are going to repurpose it in the way that it needs to be repurposed.

but also being careful not to overwork that particular person that's covering that position.

Yeah, so we do have a recommendation, but the recommendation that we have will require coming to council for approval to repurpose it.

All right.

And then you mentioned a couple points as far as you mentioned how the difficulties at PEPRA and how putting on your thinking cap, how do you entice folks to apply for those positions if they're at PEPRA?

yeah you know this is one that i think about quite often um i i i'm a little stumped so i believe and i came to public sector later in life and i see the value of being in public sector i understand the value of the security that you feel when you work for a city and i understand the value of a pension but i don't know if that translates to the next generation of people I myself have children who I talk about the value of public sector and pensions, and so for somebody like me that can encourage somebody that I'm related to to maybe look into this in the future, but a lot of young people can make money in the private sector that exceeds what we pay here, and they don't think about what does a pension look like in the future, and so I don't know how to market that public sector has pensions, honestly. I am trying to come up with a way to combat that. I just don't think I have the answer and I think most of us don't have the answer to be very honest. We do talk about it quite a bit and we have had a lot of movements that we chalk up to. It strictly comes down to dollar and cents for many people.

If I can actually add to that, as someone who has been in the public sector since pretty much my diaper days, the public sector at this point has evolved in a way where, unfortunately, the newer generation of the workforce, they aren't really looking at that pension. They're not looking at the long game, but they're really looking at the instant gratification and what do I do now that helps me in the long term, but not in the way of pensions, right? How do I get to that next step? How do I get to the higher position? How do I become a manager in three years? And so with pensions in the past, that was a great selling point where it provided the stability for the earlier generation, those of us who've been in the system for a long time now. And that was an appeal, the benefits and the pension. what we're seeing with the newer generation is they want to be challenged. They want to be inspired and motivated. So when they're looking at the public sector, if it's something that they can make more money in the private sector, then we have to outweigh that with some of the other professional benefits, whether it's development, right? They like mentorship programs. They like being able to go to different meetings and workshops and growing, and they want to know a trajectory. It's no longer let's work 20 years for you to go from one position to another. They want a timeline or pretty much a checkpoint of if I'm going to be here for this year, I want to make sure that in the next year I'm going to have performance measures that lead to this next position and so forth. And it's a lot more competitive now with cities trying to capture the quality employees who really want to do this, because it does take a certain type of person to work in the public sector, especially now when things are very volatile in certain areas. You think you're going to go and study and be an engineer, well, you're doing a project and you come to a council meeting and then all of a sudden you're getting lambasted, right? Why not work for a private company where you can just be behind the scenes and be an engineer and not have to go to meetings? So it really does boil down to what we can do to engage the next generation, but that really truly means that we are spending more time mentoring them, teaching them, showing them the ropes, giving them very clear directives. And that just really, It's really difficult because all the while we are, as a city, trying to manage day-to-day operations as well, and in a lot of organizations, city organizations where our function is providing services, that we're not focusing as much on that professional development as we should. We're trying to fix that, but again, it's like we're also trying to fix, for us, about 20 years of a different kind of workplace culture.

It seems like it's going to be an industry-wide rethink. How do you engage younger folks and give them a seat so they can keep moving up the ladder? Young folks want to move up the ladder pretty quickly. They're not going to want to work a job for five, six, seven years and then try to move up. It's an industry-wide issue, I think. All right, thank you.

Anything else from the desk? If not, I will ask for public comments. Open for public comment, please.

Yes, Mayor, we have Terry Raines.

Item 4.1 is labeled AB-2561 compliance, but fails both the letter and intent of the law. Government Code 3502.3 doesn't merely require the hearing once per fiscal year. The statute expressly requires this hearing to be held prior to the adoption of the budget, 3502.382 states. If the governing board will be adopting an annual or multi-year budget during the fiscal year, the presentation shall be made prior to the adoption of the final budget. You adopted the 2026-27 budget on June 24th, but this hearing is being held 77 days after the fact. The state legislator intended for staffing crises to inform financial decisions before funds are locked in. The staff report mentions the once per fiscal year requirement, but completely omits the statute's budget timing requirement. The city has held just one AB2561 hearing back in June, 2025, prior to the adoption of the 2526 budget. So Scott, please explain how a hearing held 77 days after budget adoption satisfies this law. and why that critical requirement was omitted from the staff report. This non-compliant delay reduces a serious state labor mandate to a retroactive rubber stamp exercise. Staff claims a low 7.4% vacancy rate as of June 30, 2026. Page 2 admits these numbers completely hide the new positions authorized and added into the 26-27 budget, but your math ain't mathin'. It states 277 authorized positions, but the four employee group tables total perhaps the excluded one is the city manager, but the report doesn't say that. More importantly, the staff report, 22 vacancies out of 22 authorized positions, which is actually 7.9%, not 7.4%, so I'll explain your 7.4%. Your June budget report said 24 of 276 funded full-time positions were vacant, 8.7%. Just eight of those 24 were being recruited. Now this report shows numerous positions at phase one, specifically defined as no recruitment requested, but doesn't tell us why there's no recruitment requested. Are they intentionally being held vacant? Are some newly approved positions just awaiting recruitment? Are existing employees being promoted or reclassified? Are vacancies being maintained for budget savings or has the department simply not requested recruitment and why? These are different circumstances and this vacancy hearing is supposed to tell us which is which. That's important. The administrative management and confidence group has 13 vacancies out of 61 positions, 21.3%. How many are genuine positions you're unsuccessfully trying to fill? How many are intentionally left vacant and how many reflect reorganizations or reclass? Without that information, this tells us very little about the city's recruitment efforts. You can't solve a regional crunch, staffing crunch, or protect current workers from burnout if you refuse to recruit for the jobs that this council authorized. Stop managing vacancies on paper and start effectively recruiting. Thank you.

David Johnson.

Good evening, council members. Speaking on behalf of my own opinion here, not as a board member. but I would like to address this last subject matter of vacancies and high turnover. So before I was elected to the school board, same thing happened. And what I found the number one cause is, is our reputation. And the board prior to my election had contentiousness, even four letter words between each other, and that reputation really hurt the school district. they would overpay people and they would over-title people to take the job. So now, ask our superintendent. She'll tell you for the last vacancy we had for principal, we had 60 to 100 candidates for these different positions. We're getting the best of the best transfers in from other districts. And the reason is we changed from the top down and then we use strategy throughout. We have two on the right, two on the left, me in the middle, and we all respect each other so much. We are good, dear friends with each other now. We have proper governance and professionalism. And from there, we seek to understand and work with each other's opinions. We don't strike and defend. We don't call each other names. It's all about proper governance, and then it trickles down from there. So it's about your reputation. We have a strategic plan that some of your members of... the city hall helped us develop actually. And within that, we have a marketing plan. And I think you've seen our marketing go through the roof. And we now claim to be the premier elementary school district in orange County. And we are, we are doing that. The, um, We've been called the safest school district in the county for two years in a row now. We're winning awards left and right. We're the only school district where every single middle school won national schools to watch. The reason that happens is we come together for the betterment and to work with the employees. We create career ladders now where employees in classified and certificated can work and learn over a one-year program on how to be promoted to new positions so we can promote from within as to it's all strategic, but it's all about changing the reputation, and that starts at the top. So I'd like you to consider that in the way that you treat each other. Thank you.

Mayor, we have a few speakers on Zoom. If you would like to speak, please use the raise hand feature on Zoom or press star nine. Mayor, we currently have, oh, one, one second.

Anyone else for the public comment for this item?

We have one, Mayor, on Zoom. Phone number 9017. Please unmute yourself by pressing star six.

Yes, we can hear you.

Thank you.

Mayor, we currently have no further speakers.

All right, moving on. Mayor, council, member discussion and council action. I just want to let you know that you have the right to discuss about this item, but for now, I move to receive and file the report.

I second it.

Anything else from the dais? Do we have...

No, I just want to make just a comment. I think I want to agree with Mr. Johnson on his comments as far as that he starts it from the top down. And it is the way we conduct ourselves here in the dais does affect that. Folks who in the past have applied for positions here They do what somebody typically would do. They see what they're going to come up, what they're getting themselves into. And if they see and they watch the meeting and it's big chaos and all this dysfunction, they're going to be go looking somewhere else because they're not going to want to sit through this kind of stuff. And And I had one of the first years when I first got elected in 2020. I'll give you an example. A doctor called me and said that he was interested in providing a health fair service here at our city, but he wanted to watch a couple council meetings, see how the council acted. And after a council meeting, he called me the next day and he said, forget it. He goes, I don't want to deal with that. So who loses? Our residents lose. So that was pretty sad. So I totally understand what Mr. Johnson is talking about, and I agree with him. But yeah, we've got to try our best to set a good example so we can attract folks to come and want to work here, and also to prevent folks who are currently here from leaving as well. So I just wanted to comment on his comments as well. So thank you. That's all I got.

All right. We have a motion and second on the floor to receive and file this item. Local vote, please.

I have a motion made by Mayor Nguyen, seconded by District 1, Councilwoman Fan West, to receive and file the report. District 1, Councilwoman Fan West. Fan West, aye. District 2, Councilmember Monzo.

Yes.

District 4, Councilmember Nguyen. Yes. Vice Mayor Nguyen.

Yes.

Mayor Nguyen.

Yes.

Motion carried 5-0.

All right, thank you very much. Moving on to oral communication concerning non-agenda items. Again, I would like to let you know that first, I would like to address the city council. Let the public comments finish their times. Don't interrupt them. Because they have three minutes, they are entitled to use the full amount of time. If you have anything, you have a brief comment at the end. At the same time, if we respect them, we ask them to respect us when we are at the discussion. And we also ask, you know, please let the speaker to speak their mind. Please don't interrupt them on the floor. So this time I will open up and also refrain again. I am saying specifically please refrain from using the profanity because we are not going to take that. And at this time, I will open up for oral communications for non-agenda items. And City Clerk, would you please go ahead and read the instruction for the record?

This is the time of the meeting that members of the public may address the City Council regarding any non-agenda items that are within the subject matter jurisdiction. Unless otherwise extended by a majority vote of the City Council, comments shall be limited to three minutes per speaker. Any person wishing to address the City Council in person should complete a yellow speaker slip, which are provided at the entrance to the Council Chambers, and submit the card to the City Clerk staff. When your name is called, please step up to the podium at the time and state your name and city of residence. For the record, pursuant to Senate Bill 707, this meeting is being conducted with both in-person and teleconference participation. Public comments will be taken first from those attending in person, followed by those participating remotely. Once all in-person comments have been completed, the city clerk staff will announce the names or last four numbers of the telephone numbers of the individuals who have requested to provide public comments remotely. Remote public commenters will receive the same time as members of the public commenting in person. Zoom participants, if you would like to speak, please use the raise hand feature on Zoom or press star nine if participating by telephone. Our first speaker is Alan Hamadi, followed by Dame.

Go ahead and skip.

Dame, followed by Tim Hogan.

Hello, my name is Dane Moreno, and I am a resident here. I am 16 years old, and I am here to advocate for smoke-free parks. I'm from a third generation, and I have personally experienced and seen the effects of smoke and drugs around here in Westminster. going for doing evidence and I'm here to advocate that we need to put a stop to this and parks that we our children and people of the younger generation come to to have fun here I provide to you evidence of what we collected over the years from residents and people who attend with Missouri school 95 of people agreed on secondhand smoke is harmful to people's health. 90% of people said they have the right to go to a park that's tobacco-free. 85% of people said they were most likely to go to a park that is tobacco-free. 81% of people said they're most likely to vote for a policymaker who supports smoke-free parks. 79% of people said the city council should take action on tobacco. Speaking for the younger generation, we don't have many places here in Westminster. We just want another place to call home. These parks, these memories we make, we can't make it anywhere else that we have to pay in or have to always have to put our IDs or whatever, because we want a place where we could just be free and be us. Another thing, another evidence we have is tobacco litter in city parks. The OC Health Care Agency Tobacco Use Permissionation Programs, TUPP, the Tobacco Vape and Free OC Clinic, visit 22 Westminster Parks in 2022 and 2024. Here are the surveys from 2022 and 2024. Piece of tobacco litter, cigarette butts, vapes, and et cetera found in following park areas. In 2022, picnic areas found 162. In 2024, we found 263. Playgrounds found 80. And 2024, we found 80 again. In 2022, in parking lots, we found 71. In 2024, we found 62. In 2022, restrooms, 16. In 2024, 42. And in 2022, in athletic courts, like basketball courts or football courts, we found 32. And in 2024, we found 17. Over here on this Williamson board, I provide you with evidence of hands-on where we volunteer and clean up around the city to collect cigarette butts, vapes, or whatever non-essentials for this park. Recently, you guys have opened and remodeled a diamond court at Buckingham Park. A day later, we have found over 200 cigarette butts over there on the next day. and these are letters written by people in the community who have really advocate and want to bring a difference to the city because and that. All right, thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.

Can I have a brief statement?

Tim Hogan followed by Holly.

We're very excited in District 1 to host our Meet the Candidates event October 3rd in Bolsa Chica Park at 2 p.m. We're especially pleased that District 1 council candidates, along with all the mayoral candidates, will avail themselves of this opportunity to address residents about their plans and aspirations for the city, answer moderated questions, and field concerns and comments from their neighbors. Our moderator is the acclaimed journalist Jill Rapogli, the Orange County correspondent for LAS News and KPCC Public Radio. Jill was named Journalist of the Year for 2025 by the Orange County Press Club. She has covered Orange County for the past 10 years. She holds a master's degree in journalism from UC Berkeley and did her undergraduate work at University of Colorado at Boulder, where she graduated summa cum laude. were as pleased as can be, she agreed. With her as moderator, we are assured the event will be both impartial and decidedly neutral. This is in keeping with the organizers' original intent to ensure this event remains friendly, an opportunity for us all to meet the candidates as real people. I'm sure you all look forward to extolling for your neighbors how proud you are of your many accomplishments these past four years. The late night labors to resolve intractable problems, the timeless struggles to preserve and improve our infrastructure, the steadfast efforts to preserve our city's heritage, the even handedness in celebrating our diversity, and the unifying desire to see decorum and civility prevail in all our affairs. Here is your premier opportunity to make known to all, all what you have accomplished. We wish we could have had this indoors, but that was beyond the limited financial means of our small residence collective. Perhaps the next council can explore the city providing a meeting hall free of charge to host such gatherings in the future. I'm sure we can all agree the east-west room in the senior center or the Maryam Warren building would make for an excellent venue for democracy to flourish. Advertising is already in the works for our event. Posters and signs are being printed and will be installed later this week. Sufficient tables and easy-ups are ready. We're looking to have chairs on stage for the candidates and umbrellas to guard them from the sun. And while we hope to have seating for residents as well, we encourage everyone to bring their own small chairs. Also, I'm told, though I haven't confirmed, the Vietnamese media will attend. I'd like to extend an invitation to the Midway City Sanitary District candidates to join us. We won't be able to host you on stage, but we'll endeavor to have tables for you to spread out your literature and meet your neighbors. What a wonderful opportunity for all of you to tell the city's denizens your plans for the future and your commitment to the welfare of us all. I will leave printed invitations to the event with the city clerk. Thank you. We look forward to welcoming you.

Alan Hamadi, followed by Holly.

Good evening, Mayor and Council. My name is Alan Hamadi, 7822 13th Street, Westminster. I'm here for small business discussion to tell you what's going on here. The code of enforcement went out to a lot of small businesses and left a note about how the business on the outside should be. On the windows, no small lights, no advertisement, the sign should be this way, this should be this way. As a city, as a body here, we're supposed to support small business owners, especially at this time, when everything is so expensive, and some people can't even make the rent payment. The government is forced to go out and say, okay, this must be done, you have to change this. That's money. We're not Beverly Hills here. A lot of people here are struggling daily, The city should work with them. Now, we want to make it happen, then the city should help this business to change the stuff they want to be changed, put some money in their pocket. In my opinion, as an experienced businessman, number one is right now the community should care for these homeless should be out of the city. They destroyed the city. Trash everywhere, druggy. They're selling drugs all over the streets. I have a lot of photos. I have a lot of videos. I'm here to show you.

I have one right now also as well.

I have a petitioner from a lot of businesses here sign up for the ordinance to be changed in a way to help the business owner stay in business. A lot of the businesses here are old stores, cannot be messed with. Unless you guys want to put the business people out of business and tell them to go somewhere else. Is that what this is about?

So we're going to start with this here.

Charlie, you're the most that knows about business. You own a company that does printing. You know advertisement for business is number one to bring business in. Lights bring attention. People are going to see the business. So we are here to help the business owner succeed, successful. The backbone of the city is the small business owner. I'm going to show you some pictures of daily problems. This is nothing compared to what I have on file. Of the homeless people every day, Every single day. They break into windows, doors. They sleep on cars in front of the business. And you know, most of the people that work in the business in this area here, a lot of them are female. They're scared at nighttime, really scared. Here's the hangout place. Non-stop photos all day, all night. You name it. They're taking a shower right from the building that they don't even own. So this is what they want to remove. That's advertisement. Why would you remove this? How are people going to sell what they have? It doesn't make sense. Oh, it's not visible. You have to make the window visible. People have privacy inside. The dental business, other businesses, they cannot show everything on the outside. Can I please have a few minutes? Your time is up, sir.

Thank you. Your time is up. Sorry.

OK. Not a problem. It's not enough, but...

All right, next speaker, please.

Holly, followed by Michael Berengia.

Thank you.

Is this right?

Is this the right height?

Okay. My name is Holly Margulies. I live on Sawston Circle with Charlie, and I want to greet you with hi. Hi means honesty and integrity. So when I say hi to you, I mean honest and having integrity, and I would hope that you reciprocate back to me, and I'm terrible at speaking. I expect each one of you to work for the betterment of our city, not just your venue. I expect that you will respect all the people who came and talked about Merriam Center, about the Rose Society, the Rose Center, You had children come and speak to you. You had youth. You had parents. And you did not listen to them. I am disappointed. Amy, you were supporting the Rose Center and you wiped it away. The company that you decided to pick didn't even say that they would work with Tim Nelson at all. How could you do this to your community? Where is your honesty? Where is your integrity? Frank, I believe in you. You're well-spoken. Go with your heart, not with what anybody else says. With your heart. You know what the community wants. You saw the people. I believe that you can make a difference. Nam, I apologize if I don't pronounce your name right. I know you can do it with your heart too. You know what is right. I can see it in your face. Amy, why didn't you do what's in your heart for your children? You keep talking about the children and enjoying the theater. You just ruined it for everybody in Westminster because we will not have the same quality. The lady does not do well for her show that she says that she does. Charlie, you said umpteen times Charlie. Charlie, win. You said this was not about getting rid of Tim Nelson. Charlie, why did you fail with this? I am disappointed that my neighbor could not stand up and do what was right. Charlie, would you please also get rid of your signs for Congress in your front yard? Thank you very much.

Michael Verangia, followed by Terry Raines.

Thank you.

When I was up here before, I touched briefly on the Rose Center. And it brought to mind an experience I had on my first grand jury panel where a local city was contracting out a very large project. So they had a team of experts come to evaluate the applicants. Four applicants. At the end of this process, there was one obvious winner and three others that were somewhat further behind. This particular city decided that they were going to go with the number three applicant, contractor. Now this job would have earned quite a lot of money. And as it turns out, there was a complaint filed with the Orange County grand jury. The grand jury decided to look into this. And calling people in and interviewing is always an interesting prospect, and anybody that's been in law enforcement can say the same thing. During this, it turns out that the contractor that was chosen had been eliminated from another local city because of shoddy work, padding what the original budget for this was, and basically lying about what they were doing. As it turns out, that there was a close relationship between members of the city government and this contractor. We also had witnesses who said that they were pressured to kind of grant the people that got the contract some higher scores. And I'm sorry, but dealing with the Rose Center, and you chose the number three, I don't believe in coincidences. I've said that up here numerous times. It smells. I don't like it, and I'm sure there's an awful lot of people in this city that also don't like it. I mean, is this a situation where the grand jury has to receive a complaint letter and initiate an investigation to find out how were they judged? How was the scoring done? What kind of transparency was there really in this whole process? And also, who knows who else? Is there any of that in here? Now, if you've been around city government long enough, you're going to know a lot of people from outside the area and from your own local area. But that should have nothing to do with how you choose somebody that's going to run your theater, and especially something like this. Thank you.

And our last speaker, Terry Raines.

Terry range court reporter on September 1st, Amy filed pro per to reconsider the August 4th, $1,305 sanction and requested a filing fee waiver in the city case. I provided copies. Amy signed directly beneath. I declare under the penalty of perjury under the laws of the state of California, the foregoing is true and correct, but that didn't stop her from making several less than truthful statements in these foreign filings. First, she seeks relief from only one of the two sanctions imposed August 4th. 1305, but not the 871. Both reflected in the court's August 4th ruling that I already provided you copies of. Both were due within 30 days by September 3rd. Amy, did you pay the 870? Why'd you admit it? Next, she claims she's been without counsel since April. The court record says otherwise. Her first attorney, Bobby Cimini, bailed in March. The new one, Zach McCready, signed on to the case the day before the May 5th hearing and appeared as Amy's counsel that day and again on August 4th hearing when the city won its motions and those two reduced sanctions. The motion to relieve McCready as counsel wasn't filed until August 21st and won't be heard until December 22nd after the November 2nd jury trial the day before the election. She claims she lacks the time and money to comply with the court's orders, writing, since May 26th, I have been actively working with the Westminster City Council and the mayor on city matters and initiatives, admitting she didn't work the first three and a half years in office. And these new council responsibilities consume substantial time while she handles the case pro per. Amy, you forgot the 30% of the meetings you've missed this year, your month-long July vacation, and that you've been out campaigning all year. Your claim is... You claim your income is just 320 every two weeks for the Trump change council gig, and that it doesn't cover transportation or food bullshit. Hey Amy, where's all the income from that successful car rental business? You assert that since council recently reversed your speech sanction, that the court should do the same. In your apology to the court, you insist that they schedule new court dates around your schedule, and that this case may implicate important First Amendment issues. You already cost taxpayers $174,000 and yourself a lot of problems because you chose to fight it, but yet you don't deserve consequences? What an idiot. But Ho Chi Minh's regime now excuses her behavior and bends to her demands as part of their secret quid pro quo. I can't even say it. That will soon come to light. Ho Chi Minh's regime antics concerning the Rose Center, Mary Moran, and the museum are why this community wholeheartedly stands with Tammy Hamill's remarks at the last meeting. Westminster, if you're tired of this crap, vote for David Johnson, District 1, Lone Wind for District 4, and Carlos Manzo for mayor because these four motherfuckers have to go. That's it.

Mayor, we don't have any speakers via Zoom.

So anybody on that line? No? All right, thank you. All right, close. Public comments. So at this time, council is going to discuss. I will have a brief comment for the public comments, and then if you, the council members, if you have anything, I expect it's going to be a brief comment also. First of all, I have an open policy, and a number of you already come to my office a number of times talking about it. And I continue to invite you to come, and we can have one-on-one discussion. Some of your views are different than us. We, as a representative, we are not going to listen to an interest group. We are considered, whenever I make a decision, for me, and I'm not talking for them. that I will consider at large because I represent the whole city. So I will make decision based on that. And you are welcome to come over and speak to me about that. And And I'm sorry that the decision is not going your way, but we respect each other, and we respect the council decision on that. This time, is there anything from the council? Yes, Council Member Mansoor.

Thank you, Mayor. Just a question for staff. What can we do? Is it a path? Can we do smoking-free parks? Legally, can we do that? Smoke-free parks?

smoke-free parks yeah there's a health and safety code that expressly says that cities do have the authority to regulate parks I think it's 11 1 1 8 something we do have the ability to do that okay it is legal all right thank you all right anything from the if not then I will close the public comment and we move on to the next items

Next item is 9.1, consideration of the removal of a member of the citizen oversight committee for measure Y and E. This item proposed by a vice mayor. So at this time, I would like to yield the floor to Vice Mayor.

Thank you, Mayor. This is a pretty simple item. So all the commissioners of all the posts serve by the pleasure of the Council, so I find no pleasure in having Tammy Hamill as the commissioner for the Oversight Committee, so I move to have her removed.

All right.

Is there anything else from the Council?

I have a couple comments.

Okay.

Thank you, Mayor. Yeah, I want to just concur with some of the speakers as far as Yeah, we may policy-wise have the right to remove some because they serve at the pleasure. But again, even with the times when I was first appointed to the Planning Commission, every time I took the ethics training, there's a section which always talks about the perception that you give out there. It's something that we seem to forget here. It just seems to me that the perception here is that because this person criticized up here in the dais, whoever they're criticizing, the mayor, the vice mayor, whoever, that that offended you or you didn't like it. And for that reason, you're going to remove her, not because something that was done during one of these commissions. As many members said, you cannot sit here and tell folks what they can and cannot say. This is a First Amendment right. Folks have the right to criticize us. As members, we chose this. So we have to take the good and bad. As much as you like to take all the good comments and all the accolades and all that, we also got to take The criticism, whether we agree with it or not, that is part of why we signed up for it. And just because of that does not say that we are going to retaliate against someone because they criticized us. And that's what the perception is. And, you know, from what I see here, I would have to say that they are probably correct. And that is what the perception looks to me, that that is what's happening. And this is America. And we have one of the rights that we have in America is freedom of speech. And if we're not going to defend it, then what are we doing up here? That is, as one of the commenters said about the person's name on the street, that that person was a defender of First Amendment, and then I didn't vote for it, but the other folks here voted for it, and now they're not going to honor that person that supposedly was for First Amendment rights. But that is the perception, whether it's true or not. That's for the folks to decide, but that is the perception. To me, it seems wrong that that is what is going on. So that's all I got.

Anything else from the dais? I will go for it.

Mr. Mayor, let me have a couple of comments as well. Yeah, I agree that this is a free country, and then you can say basically whatever you want. And you still can go up here, side up, and then you can say whatever you want, physically. But we don't, silent use for speak what you have in your mind. You are welcome to go up to the podium and still speak, right? So, but the thing is, the thing is, we have, we still have the right to remove the one that didn't follow the policy. We don't tolerate the foul language in here. But you still have the right to say it. But if you don't follow the rules, then we take action to remove you. Are you back?

All right. Okay. Five minutes for me, please. Perception. I understand perception. But perception doesn't mean that you are allowed to use profanity to go to yell at somebody. It does not allow you to hold a knife and kill somebody and then say it's perception. Okay, each one of us have different perception, okay? And you can use what, as I mentioned already, tell me it's going to be your first warning. I said it before, and I'm going to apply it. So that means you don't, based on perception to use for affinity at the city council meeting. And based on that, we have to decide what we need to do in order to get this meeting conduct politely and productively. This is not once. It happened multiple times already that you used the profanity at this council meeting. So I've been quiet about it, but it's getting worse and worse every day. And I'm not going to allow that to happen. You can speak about it, especially you, people perceive you as a commissioner of the city. Commissioner, we don't talk that way. And so, I meant to talk to you a lot of times, and I know that it's not the right way to conduct city business. But, well, you see that. I can't even repeat the words here. But people can go ahead, and if you're curious about what I'm saying, you can always rewind the tape of my last meeting at the open public comments to hear what she said. It's not acceptable to us. It's not acceptable to everyone. If you think it's acceptable, then you're right. And so I will conclude it here, and I will second the Vice Mayor. So we have motion and second on the floor.

Okay. I have a motion made by Vice Mayor Nguyen, seconded by Mayor Nguyen, to remove Tammy Hamill from the Citizens Oversight Committee measures Y and E. I'll go ahead and call roll. District 1, Councilwoman Van West. Van West, aye. District 2, Councilmember Monzo.

No.

District 4, Councilmember Nguyen.

Yes.

Vice Mayor Nguyen.

Yes.

Mayor Nguyen.

Yes.

Motion carried 4-0-1. It was 4-1.

Oh, I'm sorry. Four yeses and one no.

Sorry, 4-0-1. Sorry, 4-1. Motion carried, 4-1.

Okay, moving on to item 10, which is comment and request from the agenda item from the city council agency members, including AB 1, 2, 3, and 4 report when required. Let me start out with the vice mayor, Mark Nguyen.

I just want to thank everyone for being here. Thank you, staff, for your continual dedication to the city, our fire department, and police. And that's all I have. Thank you.

All right. Thank you. Council Member Manso.

Thank you, Mayor. I would like to bring up an item for a future agenda. It's as far as looking into the discussion about making our parks smoke-free. And the reason for that is, like the commenter mentioned, we've made a huge investment in our public parks over the years. And a lot of these parks have been made top of the line as far as our playground equipment. We've all been to all the ribbon cuttings with our staff and all the work they've been putting into them to make them what they are. And it seems kind of a crime that we are letting something like this deteriorate our parks. So I think we need to look at it and see what we can do to make sure that we protect the quality and make sure that our children feel safe going to the parks and make sure that we're protecting their investments in the parks. So I would like to make that a future agenda item for discussion, Mayor.

I understand that. Can you hold on the clock right now? I just want to remind you that you have five minutes and if you want to use the five minutes.

I'll come back to that. Thank you, Mayor. And then also, I want to thank resident Diana Carey for her continuous support and contributions to our community. and i'm not sure what number of police canines that she has donated over the years but it's a huge huge contribution for our community so i want to thank her for that and mayor is this something that we can do in the future for her um maybe a presenter with the certificate of appreciation or recognition i think that would be really wonderful and i think is justified And after that, it's just thank you, everybody, for coming out. I look forward to seeing you guys at our fall festival. I think it's going to be a lot of fun, so please share that in your social medias, and we really want to get a lot of the community out here and enjoy the festivities. There's going to be a lot to do, a four-day event. I look forward to it, and there's going to be great events bringing people Hopefully, we're going to have the lighted dance floor again. That was a big hit. Make sure you bring your dancing shoes and get out there and boogie. And it's going to be a lot of fun. So I'm really looking forward to it. So thank you all. Thank you, our PD. Thank you, our fire chief, Covey. He's here. I haven't seen him here. But again, thank you for all your hard work that you put in, you and your team put in through the chemical incident here in Garden Grove. Thank you very much. So that's all I got.

Thank you, Council Member Manso. Next is Council Member Mok.

Did you want to vote on his request to the parks? Sorry about that.

So I will second him on that item. So now we'll call for a police.

Okay. District 1, Councilman Van West. Van West, aye. District 2, Council Member Monzo.

Yes.

District 4, Council Member Nguyen?

Yes.

Vice Mayor Nguyen?

Yes.

Mayor Nguyen?

Yes.

Okay, motion carried 5-0.

And that motion was to agendize future discussion of an ordinance regarding regulation of smoking at parks. Right, correct.

All right, Council Member Nam Quang Nguyen.

Thank you, Mayor. Just make it quick. Thank you, everybody, for coming out. And thank you, staff, Chief Covey, and our PD. Thank you.

All right, thank you. Council Member West.

Thank you, Mayor. You know, I really appreciate how amazing this council have worked together and more evident this year to move the city forward. And it's great to see that and the interest of the people. That's amazing. Now, I want to thank, you know, with all my colleagues as well for our staff who worked really hard to take care of our city from all the department head public work. You guys have been doing a phenomenal job again, and I couldn't praise you guys enough. Also, Vanessa, chief, also fire and police department as well, and across the board, and I am very thankful for you guys. Now, for me, I would like to agendize, if we haven't have yet, I don't know, but this coming month, October is a month to respect life, and October is recognized in the United States as Respect Life, and it's a time to dedicate to recognizing and cherishing the dignity and the value of every human life. Respecting Life Month provides the opportunity for our community to reflect on the dignity of every human life. recognizing their dignity and the value of human life at conception to natural death, and then supporting the vulnerable population, encouraging compassion, care, support for the vulnerable member of our community, including the unborn elderly person with disability and individual and families in need. So I would like to agendize that to put as a resolution, proclamation for next month, October. That'd be great. I know that a lot of people in our community and across this nation honor life. Now, I want to, as we tomorrow mark, you know, One year of Charlie Kurt murder, you know, why he stood for freedom of speech and religious freedom. You know, I think that Charlie Kurt has commitment of defending free speech, encouraging people to stand up for what they believe in, made him a role model for many young people. He inspired Americans to become involved in the political process, especially the youth, and make their voice heard, and to work toward making our country and our world a better place. His legacy reminds us of the importance of courage, conviction, and the freedom to express our belief even when we disagree with one another. We may continue to encourage young people to participate in our community, engage in our political process, and use their voice to make a positive difference. So with that, Mr. Mayor and the council, I appreciate your guys' hard work. to make sure we move our city forward and the unity we have on this council and the staff as well. We appreciate you guys working with us to help the city as well. And for the business owner, the guy who spoke earlier, I think, We need to make sure we always support small businesses. I know this is a hard time and I want to address that gentleman as well that we do have funding from the Fed and different organizations to support recently our businesses. I think we give them $2,000 or $3,000 each up to five. We did have that event to help a small business in the city here, and I hope that if you guys haven't, please reach out to staff and city manager to make sure you guys get the support that we have provided. Thank you.

All right. Thank you very much. I want to take this moment to thank each and every one of you, taking the time out of your busy schedule to be here this afternoon, this evening, and speak your mind. We respect you. We respect what you present. But we, as the council, we do have the obligation, the accountability to the whole community, not special groups, not individual. I will do that as long as I am on this council. I've been doing that for four years, almost four years. I will continue to do so. And I'm sure that our council members are doing the same thing. When they make a decision, for me, when I make a decision, I will take all matters into consideration, not just one area. You may not, that's why I would like to open up for you to meet with me in my office and this, and we have done that number of years already. I mean, we continue to do that. I don't mind if you want to make appointment to come and talk to me. I am ready to talk to you. Every issues, every issue that you might have. Now, I would like to thank our council members here. We're working together to move the city forward. All we do is for the betterment of the residents in this community, in the city, and I am all for that. And I want to thank you that you're taking the time, you deliver your message, and you articulate the reason why you are voting. And I want to specifically thank you to Council Member West. I think in the last several meetings, you actually changed yourself, you behaved, and you're working with the Council to move the city forward. And I appreciate that instead of fighting over things that are not necessary to fight over. And that will save us, like today, we don't have to stay long, we solve the problems. And I want to thank staff, not this time, but over the years, number of times, I want to specifically thank you, our staff, for their hard work, they've been doing a lot you know, to move the city forward. Starting from the city manager, to assistant city manager, to all department heads, and to all every members within the departments. I want to take this moment to thank you, each and every one of you. Without your dedication, we are not where we are today. And we improve a lot for our cities in every angle that you look at. And I am not afraid to tell you of things that we do. Of course, we are not perfectly getting everything done, but we still have work to do, for example, homelessness. We still have work to do. It's not only our city, every city still have to encounter of that. And we promise to continue to work it out. That's why we have hired two police officers and dedicated for the homelessness outreach. And they are working hard to clean up the city. Of course, be patient with them. We can't do it overnight. And as you see today, and the previous meetings, every time we have the city manager report, there are numbers of activities that we created for our city members, for the community. I would like to ask each and every one of you, please invite others, your neighborhoods to come and join us. We are, our staff have done so much to prepare the event so that we can enjoy, our family can enjoy. So please come out and join them and help anything that you can. At this time, I will adjourn the meeting.

Mr. Mayor, I have one question. I agendized the October month with a proclamation to recognize life. Can we vote for that?

No, you are done because you have your opportunity and you didn't do it.

No, I did ask to agendize that, but you guys didn't vote for it.

You mentioned about it, but you didn't ask for two agendas. So at this point here, the council, let me ask you, did you hear the same thing that I do?

No, so she did request it, and I think the city manager wanted to say something.

So the last time we had a proclamation request, we didn't need a motion and a second for it. We will just put it on the consent calendar like we normally do. So council will still have an opportunity.

Oh, for the last... For the respect life month. I was thinking of the Charlie Kirk. No, no, no.

For the life, yes.

We're just going to put that on.

So we don't need to vote on that?

No, you don't. But all I would request is if you have all that language that you provided and the organization that did it, send it to us.

We don't need to vote on that.

Thank you.

Thank you.

At this time, I will adjourn the meeting and our regular meeting of Wednesday, September 23rd, 2026. has been canceled. The next regular meeting will be held on September 30th, 2026 at 6 p.m. Meeting adjourned.