Common Council - Regular Meeting

I'd like to start this meeting with Joe Beatrice.

Would you like to introduce your guest?

And Jean, they're going to come up.

They can issue that on the floor. And they're gonna talk to us about it Good evening, I'm gene quadrero South Dakota resident.

This is father Joe. I don't think he needs any introduction We're here tonight, and I think we have seen it already a proclamation was written up by councilman beaches in honor of Ann Marie Martin It's a village end proprietor. Back in the 90s, Ann was very, very instrumental in supporting Harbor Point. She put two harbor fests on. Also, she was president of the North Eureka Merchants Association. She even did a flyover and did a video of the harbor back in the 90s. Unfortunately, Ann was much ahead of her time, National Grid and the state didn't catch up to her 30 years later. So this is a small memorandum of her. We're hoping to put a sign at Lee Street, which is adjacent to where her building was. She ran there for almost two decades. Again, we hope that we get the council's support. Certainly, she's well-deserved. She's no longer with us. Her family is still living. Her husband's living in Vegas, and we've got constant communication. She does have extended family here, big family. Her maiden name was Julio, and that rings a bell. There's a lot of Julios in this area, a lot of relationships. Dr. Joel?

I think you've said it all or summed it up pretty well. So, again, this would be a way of recognizing Anne Marie's Commitment to our city and the hard work that she did for many years among us. And we just ask the council to consider the possibility of changing or adding to Lee Street the name of, I think it's Ann Marie Way. Does everybody have a copy of the proclamation?

So I appreciate your support, and I brought the divine intervention here to help me support this as well.

All right, thank you, Gene, Father Joe. Appreciate it. You're welcome. And we'll have you right up at 7 o'clock. All right, I'd like to start this off by going through some new legislation that's coming in. The first one is from Councilman Colasimo-Testa. It's a resolution urging the governor and the New York State legislator to provide additional resources, policy reforms, and support to municipalities addressing homeless, mental health, substance use disorders, public safety, and quality of life challenges. Would you like to speak on this?

Yeah, I mean, it's very self-explanatory in regards to what the intent of this legislation is. I would like it to coincide with the ordinance regarding the synthetic marijuana and provide some type of financial help to maybe the police department or the city in regarding testing for the city. So we could hold on to this, just put it in committee, and then maybe pass both together. That's it.

All right, the second, Council Member Colasimo-Testa's is an ordinance amending Article 2 of Chapter 2-23

23 excuse me streets sidewalks and public places So the mayor sent us some legislative agendas over the summer One of them were amending the street sidewalks and public place ordinance You'll see ordinance two and three are together And and that's the council got the email in regard to regarding why he asked for these changes Nick I don't know if you want to speak on behalf of this and

I mean, I reviewed your change. I agree with the mayor's legislation that he pushed down here to you guys. Well, he didn't push down the legislation. This was my... I'm sorry. Wrong words. The only one thing that I read in here that I wish we could have discussion on before anything moves is the utilities. We... They're the biggest culprit. It's not the residences so much.

the non-refund the refundable deposit to them defeats the whole purpose of holding the money for the excavation to reconstruct the roads so I originally wrote this legislation and the reason that we left the utility companies out because at the time they told me that we couldn't charge utility companies because they were an entity to do that so that's why that that was left out but that was originally put in the legislation I have no problem charging them because I think there's only good pays

Verizon pays. What makes water authority so much different other than authority? And there is other legislation out there of other towns and cities that I did source that has a small provision that says we could charge them. And I think we should because they're by far the most

I'm not seeing that there was political motive, but we did include them to take out the, they had to take out a permit if they were doing a cut. Yeah. But they didn't have to reimburse or pay or follow the timeline, and that was the biggest problem. Now, the only other thing that I have to ask regarding this legislation, do we actually have to amend, who's going to draft the new permit application?

I mean, I would say, I would believe with the helps of my department and legals,

Okay, because I had no problem drafting that permit, but if you guys are willing to take on that responsibility once we pass this, I would be okay with that.

I think more hands the merrier. I wouldn't mind everybody being involved just so we get it right and we make it fair for everyone involved.

Okay, sounds good.

So are we voting on both of these or one or the other?

Well, we're going to make some changes on it.

So we don't need the permit to pass this? So we don't need the actual permit to pass this yet of what people will be filling out?

That's all you're doing is adding.

We're adding, but I'm also discussing modifying. Removing, what is it? I think number three. That's the original legislation, so that wasn't amended. So whatever you suggest, that's what I guess I sent it to you. July 8th of 2026. Yeah. Move this to the next one so we can all have a conversation. We'll move it. You were invited yesterday.

Number three is the same, right?

Text message is great for me.

I didn't know. It was a little after the thing. If you can, send me your recommendations and I'll make an amendment to it to pass it at the next meeting. Thank you.

The next one is number four. This is approving Chapter 3

there's two administration article two common council division rules of order this was the one jack said doa i would like to have further discussion on it in committee because i think i'm going to vote not to put it in committee okay that's fine that's your one vote we will vote on that when it comes up to see if we want to put it in committee but just for clarification purposes the reason that it was resubmitted was because there was a there was a complaint that there was a process that the council has as far as legislation being presented to us so if you're not going to at least entertain that that legislation then i would suggest that you actually amend your current rules of order so that it goes through the committee first instead of being presented to the actual council well meet with joe on that i'm not meeting with joe i've already given you the legislation so anyways if you have any more complaints to see what we're going to do

Next one is... We're going to put this in committee then, right? No, I'm going to vote it out of committee. I'm not going to put it in committee.

Well, you can vote. You can vote. We should be able to have a nice discussion.

Well, we've had it for the last year and a half. Right. Okay. Okay. See how nice last night's meeting was? Yeah, that was a committee to hold. That wasn't that nice. Joe ran it. That's fine. Anybody can call it. so an ea transfer this is a proposed ordinance number five you need a transfer katie any issue on this no this one was just to cover the minority women owned business grants for the i think it's out of the so this is the goal right yeah okay we're good anybody have an issue on it okay next one is a resolution encouraging the the business retention and continued operation of bj's wholesale club in north utica uh

So Joe just had a couple you wanted to make an amendment to that which I had no problem It's number six, it's right in the big pile Would you like night The only thing

because we didn't when she drafted this and told me about it and i i agreed with her but we didn't really realize um that the admin nobody said anything to us she did this a couple weeks ago nobody told us that they met with them and i just would like to take some of the wording out of there and make it you know um you know saying if the administration and certain people already talked to them there's no use putting all those requests in i'd like to more or less make it that hey we value you as our customer and we care about the city of utica and we don't want you to leave but some of this stuff here and i can't really see you know you know um where am i i think you take out the last three resolves and just be just be yeah be it further resolved that the city of utica common council encourages bj's wholesale to stay in the city of utica right that's it all right so we could pass this tonight when we bring it forward you could just do the amendments i'll let sam all right

So that one, we're going to try to pass that today.

All right.

Next one, proclamation memorializing Anne Marie Martin.

Everybody's good on that, right? Yeah.

By the way, yellow is sweet.

Jack, would you like to make that full council?

Yes, I'd like you guys to make it full council. Thank you, Bob, on that. Thank you. The next one is ordinance waiving the residency requirement for the position of GIS analyst. Can maybe the engineer speak to us on that?

Yeah. Audrey started in urban renewal as a planner a year ago, six months ago. She has lived downtown, long time boyfriend. They're moving in together into his house to save some money so they can move on to the next chapters of their life. Unfortunately, that is in Rome, not in Utica. But she's an asset to my team. She's been producing mapping that we haven't had in 20 years. And to see her leave over her residencies,

would be harmful is is the mayor okay with this yeah okay so let me ask a question did he give his signature for the public hearing for the police officer waiver residency yet did the mayor give his signature for the public hearing yet okay then I don't I don't see how it's fair I mean I I would hold that into committee until we know for sure if we're waiving residency for people or not

Okay, well, I'll be one more person short.

I just think that we just need the signature for the public hearing.

Yeah, she's been here a year.

All right, so she can still work here. We're just going to, until we'll waive it when she's, I don't know. I mean, how do you want to work it? Tell her not to come to work?

i would never do that to somebody so she can continue to with her life i just think that we need the public hearing signature and that would be okay just to make sure that the legislation we pass and we're not doing one and we're doing for the other regardless if he doesn't sign it it's going to go through but he's got to sign a signature so i'm clear until that she can't move she's gonna have to live in europe oh that's awesome making a point i wouldn't hold up somebody's life for that okay it's gonna pass but just just for clarification purposes fair that that's what happens from now it's really not fair i would pass it just wait what listen i don't know mr president go ahead say again

I mean, we're trying to get the residency, to waive the residency for the police officers. I mean, every time all these departments, they keep coming, we gotta waive the residency. As a council, we should probably think about just waiving the residency, For the entire city, because it's not fair to the individuals that live here.

That's a referendum item, number one. Okay. And number two, we did it the way we were supposed to. And that's all I'm saying is that the mayor can't hold other entities to something when he supports this. That's all I'm saying. And I wouldn't hold it against her.

Can our legal office explain why the mayor hasn't signed it yet?

I'm not aware of the status, so that is not something that I know at this point. this year at this time, so I can't really comment on whether he signed or not.

Well, maybe we could

send a note to the mayor and ask him why uh so can i ask a question so now when that goes to the mayor it as long as it's not veto and he doesn't sign it it's basically passed we still need a signature on the public hearing in order for it to go through that he held the public so there's a difference between the signature of a public hearing and the signature of approval right yes okay this is my thought on this okay we're going to put this in committee

Let's vote on this. No, don't do that. Don't hold it up for this girl.

Don't do that. I was just trying to prove a point. I wouldn't hold up somebody's life.

Well, now you're confusing me. I'm not confusing you. I thought you didn't want to.

Okay, so we're going to vote on this, right? I'm not confusing you.

All right. Just put your signature on the public hearing. We're going to go full council on this then? Yes. Okay. Everybody good with that?

I'm not going to hold everybody up for this.

You're confused? I am.

All right. The next one is a resolution authorizing the execution of a brownfield cleanup program. Brian, did you want to mention that again at all?

Yes, we're just, the city is working with the State Department of Environmental Conservation on entering into a Bronco cleanup program for the former Mealy site.

And we have a car dealership that's supposed to be going in there. Is that still going?

Yes, it is. Okay. And we're working with them. The cleanup aspect. Yes.

And the cleanup cost? Who's that going for?

The city received a grant, a federal grant through the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency for $3.8 million, which will pay for the cleanup.

Then we'll cover the whole amount. Very good. I'm good with this. Everybody good with it?

Yes.

Okay. It's an okay for me.

Dennis, you good? I'm good. All right.

ordinance authorizing the sale of eight code enforcement department vehicles so I can just I can just touch on thank you there's a number of vehicles that are sitting that are not usable engineering approach our office they have titles for all of the The vehicles or their office is typically responsible for that. They're beyond their useful life. They're just looking to get rid of them. I think a lot of them are not even really worth repair or salvageable.

Is this going to go to auction? Are we going to put them out for auction?

mean no that was that was one of the issues so there's several issues with the vehicles because they've been there so long um there were titles misplaced and we'd have to refile for the title the administrative costs of getting it to the point where we could put it up to auction isn't worth what the vehicles would yield us in auction we just want to pay somebody to get them the hell out of there after 15 years so how do you get them out of there well we have the titles now we could

You're going to a scrap yard and you sell them for the metal?

That could happen, yeah.

Yeah, we took three bids. Two years ago, I took three bids from three different scrap yards as far as 90 miles away. The cheapest one was local. I'm not going to name businesses because we're going to have to re-put out bids, but whoever can take them is just going to take them.

We could also do an as-is auction on them.

Yeah, it's however the ordinance authorizes the mayor or his representative to determine what the most valuable it is for the city, if any, and then it gets approved by ENA. So if auction is the best avenue, they'll do that. If it's not, then scrap, then they'll do that.

Yeah, I just want the space to be. Some of these cars got windows broken out. We don't have keys in some of them.

All we want to know is how you're going to get rid of them. Let us know when you finally figure out how you're going to get rid of them and how much money we're getting for them. That's stuff we need to know.

Yeah, the plan. Okay. I don't know if that's still the case. The plan was... a year ago, two years ago, we called people to come take them off our hands. Some people wanted to charge us to take them off our hands. And if we got nothing, I personally think we would take even. I'll show you the cars.

But, I mean, we can't pass them unless you let us know what you're going to do.

Because the cars are just going to sit in the garage. They haven't moved.

So the only thing the ordinance does is it authorizes the sale of them. ENA still has to prove the actual disposition.

Okay. So we're saying you could sell them. I don't have a problem with that. We're not, they could sell them and then they got to go to ENA and we got to know what it is anyways.

If it's auction or it's scrap, it's still a sale. So we're just giving you permission to sell them.

Right.

How many cars does the department have now? How many cars does the department have now? How many are in our fleet that we're using?

engineer the cars listen no because the alternative is the cars are just sitting in the parking garage forever no those cars are beyond repair but the ones that are in our fleet in our fleet i have hang on in our fleet i have right now 12 officers that go nick I have 12 officers that go in the field. Right now, I have 12 working cars and two that are kind of working. So there's 14 cars. And when one breaks, we use one of the other ones, and I have a consultant that comes in sometimes. So that's what I have in my fleet. These cars have long been not being used.

All right, so you're going to sell them. We'll vote on it, all right? All right. Okay, next thing is Councilman Beatrice authorized a fence permit. 16 Harbor Point Road.

Yeah, this is, and Marcus can talk better on it. This is for a construction company that's working down at the harbor and they have, it's to protect their equipment. There's some, Marcus, what else did they tell us was back there? There's

Yeah. So, so there's, there's two parts of this fence that are irregular and they have to go to the council because they're against current ordinances. One is that it's an eight foot high fence, which you guys have done a million times. There's standard, like in special circumstances, they have high fence. The difference in this one is that there's razor wire at the top wire at the top. And whenever we do that, we got to go to the council. That's against ordinance. Um, they said that they need them because it's a train, um, repair station. And they have fuels and things that could be dangerous. It's really close to the National Grid plant. National Grid already has barbed wire at the top of their fence. And so it matches what's around there. It's really not in the neighborhood. And they want to protect their assets. CHRIS JERRAM, Who's the owner? CHRIS JERRAM, It's up to you guys. I don't want to be wrong I think I mean the only thing you gotta add the name into it we can't just see the owners yeah if you can we'll just make an amendment on the floor what is it okay then we make that amendment all right next one resolution is really really quick jacket just had a quick question how big is the property do we know I can find out it's all in our assessment data um they just asked for a bigger fence and barbed wire at the top and this is this is permanent right counseling features for construction but it's a no it's a permanent fence it's to protect the assets inside of the rail yard okay yeah yeah which are hidden you can't see it from the street right oh they've had tons of where they do yeah yeah

And the like, the thing he said, and I don't, you guys can do whatever you want.

It's an ordinance. It's up to you. I don't have, I'm indifferent. They got to go to the council. The thing that he said that convinced me is there's already fence around there that looks like it. So it wouldn't be unique and that they have fuel.

National bridges has the same thing.

Yeah. And so it fits in the character of where he is and the fuel is worth protecting because somebody tries to stay hot or warm or something. It could be a bomb.

So I guess we're good with this, right? Yes. All right. Next one is a resolution approving the Shelter Rent Agreement for the Mayfield ReForge Housing Development Fund Corporation.

And we have Jack Spieth here. I'm pretty sure that's Chris next to him. And then Ms. Williams from Section 8 is here as well. So if we can invite all three up to the center table and whoever wants to give a presentation, just answer some questions, that would be helpful.

All right, well, thank you for coming. What I'll do is we'll go around real quick.

We'll start with Mark. Well, I mean, we had a two hour, two and a half hour long meeting yesterday, so I kind of just want to give a breakdown. What happened at yesterday's meeting, we invited Mr. Spaeth here to go over the housing development project on behalf of Housing Visions. Some of the questions that were brought up, Mr. Spaeth couldn't answer.

We asked, Chris, what is your last name? I'm sorry. Trevisani.

Trevisani we asked Mr. Trevisani to come in to speak on behalf of housing visions to kind of discuss the development process procedures and what the council is actually approving in that discussion that we had yesterday one of the one of the concerns was because section 8 houses some of these people in housing visions would they provide assistance in rehousing some of these folks that are having trouble finding new homes so that's what was your question then because didn't you ask section 8 to be here okay so but i'm just giving her understanding of why miss williams is here taking time out of her night in such short notice so i appreciate that but that's why i asked you to be here because that's what was discussed last night um with that said if you guys don't mind i would appreciate just a little introduction like jack said an introduction of your names but that's that's all i wanted to say so go ahead just kind of left

Jack Spath, Economic Development Program Specialist for the City of Utica and Executive Director for the IDA.

I'm Chris Trevisani, Vice President of Business Development for Housing Visions.

Linda Williams, Section 8 Housing Representative.

Well, thank you all for coming, and I'll move it to Heather now.

How many apartments are going to be, how many are there total that are going to be demolished or redone?

So right now we're looking to re-syndicate our seven of our earlier 9% low-income housing tax credit projects. So it was Mayfield one through four, Kemmelton, Keppel Square, and Willow Commons. Of those projects, there are 147 total. Go ahead. So of those units, we're looking to demolish 13 structures. Nine of them were in the historic district, so we did go to the historic commission. We got approval to demolish those nine. Where's that going to be located?

There's 45 properties. What is the location of that?

Just give them the general area.

Oneida Street, mostly in the Cornell area.

Judge, they're already in existence. They're demoing.

I understand that.

I understand it to be repairs to dilapidated properties, things of that nature. Is that correct?

Yes.

Yeah. But that also is low-income housing, right?

Correct.

Okay.

So 13 will be demolished and then 20 will be... Now we're talking about Mayfield, right?

Yes. In the ordinance, it talks about no taxes. That's really not accurate. There is no city, county, school. I don't know about school, but there is rents that are paid percentages to the city. Isn't that correct? that we get percentages in lieu of taxes?

Correct.

Similar to what we're asking for. What are those percentages?

For the existing agreements, I don't have it off the top of my head.

Well, you see, we have the resolution, but there's never anything attached. So when I saw no taxes at all, I talked to Charlie Brown. He said, well, it's in the contract about what the city receives. I said, okay. If it's in the contract and we are receiving monies, if it's in the contract that we are receiving in lieu of taxes monies from the rents, then we are receiving money. But it isn't tax money. It's a different form of revenue. Am I correct about that?

You're correct. On some of the earlier projects, the Mayfields, for example, we did have an agreement in place, but they've been around so long, those agreements have expired. And now we're under the 581A.

Well, I want you to know that Mr. Brown, who told me he couldn't be here tonight, that you would explain that to the council if I raised the question. and i guess you have i hope to at least to my satisfaction so out of the 147 are they all what kind of help are we providing them are they all being told that they need to leave and find a new place to live are we what are we doing for the 147 families that

So of the 147 units, there are about 30 to 40 that are currently vacant right now. 40 of the 147 are vacant. So we're not re-putting people in there because we're- Okay, so 107.

Correct.

So of the 107, 11 of them have received what's called a general information notice or a gin notice where they moved in within the past year or so where they were notified that this project is happening. So in the event that this project closes and we're under construction, they won't be renewing their lease when it expires. The other 96, we are following the HUD Universal Relocation Assistance Act. What is that? Right now we have three case managers that are meeting with all 97 residents' families, providing relocation education, finding new housing for them based on their household composition and their income levels. and then providing financial assistance to relocate. So as of today, I just got an update from my team. We've already moved eight families already. There are 15 that have identified housing and they're in the process of going and I believe there's another 12 that are kind of in the next level. So we have one gentleman, Zach, who's the lead. He comes in just about every day, reaches out to the current tenants and interviews them. So we look at, based on what their current lease time is, what the construction schedule is for our project, you know, within 120 days we'll kind of start that relocation process. Some are beyond that, so we're just making them aware. And then once 90 days comes, then we'll really start hunting and looking at them for new houses.

How many days do they have until they all have to be out?

know it's different for each it's different for each one yeah so you know we'll try to get them housed as soon as possible um but you know if i feel like that's a lot of people still left to find housing for and we have a lack of section 8 housing in this city so i was just curious on yeah not everyone is a section 8 10. okay um but we're pretty confident based on the three case managers that we have that we'll find housing for for all 96 whether it's a another housing visions property we have raised great relationships with other landlords and other property managers in the city so we're very confident that we will house everyone okay thank you

Linda, do you have any more information in regards to that? So I just, if you wanted to touch base.

We're just worried there's not enough affordable housing for our tenants.

And you're worried about Section 8 component only? Right, yeah. And do you know off the top of your hand how many?

No, not right now. I don't know exactly. I could find out.

But you are working with them? Yeah. Okay, thank you.

and i understand that they are going to reimburse them correct but they had to come up with the money up front and our tech yeah but their the tenants don't have the money up to come up front pay security deposit moving expenses we're paying yeah but they have to pay for it up front and get the receipts to you no we're we're not doing that we're providing that for them we're giving to them so they can or can you based on the tenant we can get their

new landlord's name and provide the security pods directly to them. So if it's easier for them, we can do that as well.

I was told that they had to provide receipts for everything and then they get reimbursed.

Well, I'm glad I got you at the table anyway.

So we can, if you want, we can meet with you every week or bi-week or whatever your schedule is. I have three people there, at least one every day. If you want to schedule a certain day of the week or day of the month to go over our list, we're happy to do that as well.

Sounds good.

Okay.

All right. My joke. Any questions?

No, I'm good.

Venice?

What did you say earlier? You gave them about a year notice when you would be doing this? Is that what you said?

It was about a year? Yeah, because we asked Jack a lot of questions last night.

I felt bad for him for a little bit because we were asking him stuff. He might not have been. But my last question, and I think you answered it, was Did they get a proper notice of the upcoming, that they had to leave the houses? And I think you answered they said a year, about a year. Okay.

So that's all I have. Again, we can share it with whoever the city wants to participate in.

all right thank you uh joe yeah thanks for coming in just to first follow up with on councilman urban's question what was the component you mentioned about the 120 days i didn't quite catch that

So within 120 days of what we think we're going to work on their unit is when they get another notice and we'll really start looking to find new property for them. Anything earlier than that to find an apartment is almost, the timing isn't ideal.

And you met, you mentioned you were able to successfully relocate eight families so far. Is that right?

Eight are already relocated. 15 have already identified new properties and we're just going through that process and another 12 or close.

And looking at these estimated construction start dates from the Excel spreadsheet we provided, it looks like maybe 14 or 15 of the 47 are set to begin construction within the next 60 to 90 days. Does that sound right? Maybe a third? Okay. Have those notices gone out?

Yeah, most of them are already taken out.

and so let's talk about pilot payments for a bit and so i my understanding is during the construction period payments will be made in the amount of fifty thousand dollars per year i think paid quarterly so do we know uh the dollar figure that the city received from the entities through the pilot program for example last year how much how much did the city collect in payment in lieu of taxes do we do we have that figure anywhere no i i didn't have it all right just following up and then um any information pro forma projecting into the future what that dollar figure would be because part of part of what we do is the council each budget year is we try to look at how much money is going to be coming in through pilot programs through projected taxes property taxes that way we can determine what we as a council either have to make tough decisions on cutting or if we understand that a good amount is coming in through these pilot programs that we're able to project and then we understand well we can leave a certain department without making any cuts so that that's always helpful information so I don't know if if we have that information or have those projections just moving forward so we'll be able to look at it and as a council get together and understand what we could see coming in down the line that's all

All set, Joe?

Jack, just one question. So last night, that's why I didn't ask anything, because I went through it last night. So just confirm my thoughts. In the beginning, we're charging $8.75, and then as the time goes on, it's going to be 7% all the way through, correct? yeah and that's where the money out of the pilot money comes from correct and that's less utilities so I have to subtract the utility cost from that so that's that's where you're we're coming from and you want with the higher end up front to start with and then at the end going through the last four three four years it's going to be down to seven percent until it And then it'll be done. It'll be done. Okay. And once it's done, they go right on the tax base?

Correct.

Correct? Okay.

Well, 30 years, I think it is.

No, it's five years on the pilot, right? Seven percent?

No, there's six sets of five-year income tax. Oh, okay. Five income tax. Okay. That come down, so it's eight and a quarter, eight, seven, seven-something, seven-something. Okay. All right.

But, no, I have no questions. Kat did a great job explaining that, the $407.50. I broke it down by the year, but you did a great job last night, I think.

Thank you. Katie?

Yeah, my only question is, do we know what the current wait list is for Section 8 housing?

Estimate between two and three years.

And how many do we have on it right now?

I would say about, on our program, about 2,000. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

I know we got that one.

Yeah, 2,000 we have an estimate right now, yeah.

Okay.

I know the wait list has gotten down from about five years, but you guys have been working hard, but yeah, thank you. So good to know. That's all.

just had one question it was you said that you know I took a look at this you know if there's 107 houses let's say there's three in a house that's like 331 people that are gonna be without a place to live and but you were not really so what let me finish Stan all right so we know you had mentioned being that said you had mentioned that you're having problems finding

the people yeah right have you actually taken a look at how many you're actually going to need as compared to what's available right at this time well as our tenants get their notices they come in they we give them we sit with them we give them the relocation paperwork and we'll any type of um like information we have on the units we'll give them. And sometimes the mailers post them on the board. But the amounts of rents are really high that you're asking for these units. And we have to go within the fair market rents for the tenants. And allow them to open the fair market rents where they can't rent them. Sometimes we can negotiate the rent down lower. Sometimes the mailers don't want to negotiate.

So what happens if you have, let's say you got 20 people in Section 8, 20 families, and say that you can't find a home for them, what happens then?

They usually do find housing, just that they might have to go to something that they don't want to move into temporarily. And then maybe when the year's up, when the lease is up, they'll look for something else.

And you feel comfortable with that?

I don't, no.

I didn't think you would. No, no. But so there is an issue here, I think, coming near the end of this. We are going to have some families out there that are going to be struggling to find a place to live.

Exactly. Especially a lot of our housing, we used to contact housing physicians was the first people that we would contact were tenants. And now they're going to be having to move. It's going to be hard.

All I say on this is maybe you guys could work on it now instead of when it turns into an emergency. Start working on it. Maybe you guys could work together on this and try to come up with a plan. That way you're not really getting stuck with all these people that don't have a house to deliver.

Chris, can you assure me when this is going on, they may not like where they're going, but nobody's going to be out on the street.

can you assure me of that can you assure this council of that absolutely okay thank you i got one more question for linda too now that you're here um they actually brought up some great points about affordable housing i mean i know that we've approved probably god's hundreds of millions of dollars in affordable housing inside the city and what does it come to can they afford those affordable housing units how much is a typical rent and the new housing units that have been produced

They tend to get on the internet and look to see what the payment standards are. And it seems like the landlords are raising their rents to the payment standard or higher.

and that even goes with like affordable housing units that the city of utica has approved okay i won't mention which ones but yes okay so again the reason why i like housing visions um vision is because they rehab homes inside neighborhoods and i think that's a huge i wouldn't support this if this was a single unit of one apartment building i think that that's not obviously you could see that that's happening inside the city that those affordable units are not affordable no matter who's in them but I appreciate housing visions again vision on that and we've kind of seen what you're talking about here in the city across the state and other communities that were in and five years ago we created a supportive housing arm of housing

where we get some funds for eviction prevention, other case management services. So we're moving towards what we're calling services for all.

you know some properties have a certain quote-unquote set aside for a supported population we're trying to provide that for everyone so um can you kind of touch base on i i get you got to move on but that's why luckily he's not here at the seven o'clock meeting because you really wouldn't have time to talk to him but the one last thing that i have is one of the visions that you guys and i always appreciated is that you try to go to owner occupied homes and a hope six project was a huge initiative that housing visions actually started the one question that i have is how come you don't have that same thought process behind these homes speak to become owner occupied then you do the hope six project if that's a question you can answer quick answer is there seven million dollars of debt that we can't get out of okay with new york state housing trust

Is everybody good on this?

We don't.

Sorry, just because Section 8 is here and I just wanted to confirm. I think the statement was not all occupants out of the 147 units were Section 8. Do we have a percentage or number on which are? Roughly-ish?

I could find out.

Alright, just to get an idea for us to take a look at. We appreciate it.

and i understand that you'll do repairs on the unit if they're still in the unit until they have to move correct okay yep there's some units that i gotta talk to some funny over a thousand visions that we've called the rent with the repairs okay yeah we good all right good we do have to move on and please

Keep your conversation going here.

All right, thank you.

We good on this, everyone? All right, we're good on this.

Thanks, guys.

All right, next one is honoring post-229 American Legion District 5 champions.

The only thing that I was going to say is that if we don't get through the next 15 minutes, we can adjourn our pre-meeting and then start again. Everybody good with this?

Yes. All right. That's all we have.

Next one is resolution authorizing the 2026-27 solid waste service charge.

Any questions on this?

Engineering, anything on this? We good? Solid waste, yeah. Are you happy with it?

For solid waste? Yeah, great. Super excited.

All right, any questions on this? No. There's nobody here to answer them.

Please send down the paperwork.

Okay, we're good. Next one is intersection where a stop is required. Councilman Heather? I don't know. Are we good? Everybody good with that? All right, let's move on. Next one, E&A transfer. Katie?

Yeah, this one is for... Okay, I'm not going to... Yeah, this one's for, do you take over?

Contracted services, police admin, contracted services.

Yeah, LV and security will be taking over the front desk instead of the police officers when they install the wall, vestibule, whatever they want to call it.

So they take your money out of that so they can put the security system in, correct?

Yep, and it looks like it'll be $7,083 a month. So this is what this is supposed to cover for the rest of the year. It's coming out of police admin, contracted services. Are you happy with it? I'm not happy with it. Well, you're good, right? It's the mayor's initiative.

All right, you're good? Okay, we're good.

Two different things.

sorry don't get mad we gotta move on unless you have to say something she's never talked to her no i am happy i'm happy when there's no wall in the entrance to city hall all right so uh next one is a great application the national fitness uh campaign uh brian real quick

Yeah, I touched on this last night towards the end of the meeting. The city received a $50,000 grant from National Fitness Campaign to put a fitness facility on what has been the handball court at Kemble Park. They're just asking, National Fitness Campaign is just asking for your endorsement of receiving that money and moving ahead with the project.

Thank you. Everybody good?

Yeah. Thank you.

all right next one is uh councilman testa resolution providing uh for public hearing on a zoning text amendment what's this about so i can talk about this there's a couple pieces of legislation amending the zoning text the first is to address um

uh... change within the zoning code uh... there's nothing that gives someone the power to actually interpret what the zoning code says it was included uh... in the really old zoning code but uh... it was left out of the uh... new zoning code and we've had some issues with who makes the actual final determination as far as uh... interpretation so that's one of them uh... so it's calling for a public hearing uh... with respect to that amendment uh... and the uh... there's two pieces actually but and then the other uh zoning text amendment uh relates to um that's number 19. uh ordinance amending section 229 utica city code ordinances yeah that's just a that's just a cleanup that's just to clarify because i moved the section where it actually says the interpretation all right everybody good what are we amending in the text amendment on date for today um so the uh planning board did make the recommendation with this they uh recommended to approve that so that can be added that planning board met yesterday to um and made a positive recommendation for the amendment but you need to call for a public hearing at your next either regular meeting or thank you next upcoming meeting all right can you go discuss the next one too number 20.

Be adorned in section 2-29-31. Code of Ordinance is hereby amended.

Again, that's just clarifying that I'm striking the interpretation because that's causing some confusion and I moved it to its own section in proposed ordinance number 19.

Okay. And number 21, is it the chicken one?

Yes.

All right. I got to tell you right now, I'm going to vote against putting this in the committee. I don't think the city of Utica should have chickens. We have roosters running around now. We have cats chasing chickens all over the place. When this gets voted on, I will be voting down this particular legislation. All right? Yeah, likewise, I think my concerns are I- Next one is an ordinance amending section 229.7 of the zone entitled agricultural urban. I'm not going to vote that in as well.

Can I just make a suggestion? You just remove your name, remove my name, then it stays without a sponsor, and it doesn't even have to be voted on.

Well, we can do that, huh? All right, so how we do that and we just say remove our names from this she knows a lot sponsor.

Pretty good.

All right, so we so we're going to remove our names from them.

I'm not even going to vote on that right.

You're getting section the for the chicken that be 1122. 21, I apologize. 21 and 22. And 23. 23. 24. And 25. Take our names off of it. so it doesn't even come up when we're reading right the next one is resolution canceling the september 2nd uh 2026 common council meeting is everybody good with that or what's the story and we'll just meet again on our regular schedule meeting september 16th right okay all right

I'm not okay with it, but just, you know, we've got a lot of stuff, 30 pieces. The next one is authorizing.

Hang on one second.

The only thing I'm going to say next year.

Joe, let me vote on it. No, no.

Oh, okay. All right. All right. The next one, authorizing sale of beer and wine to St. Anthony St. Agnes Church. That is going to be September 26th and September 27th. Everybody good? All right. Next one is ordinance amending section 2-28-14 of the city code of ordinance. Bob, your name's on that. What number are you working at? It's 28.

I've had several phone calls from different companies that they're having a difficult time collecting the storage because in our legislation it says 45 hours and I was under the inception, like they were, it was 85. So they wanted to increase it or make an amendment to have the changes from the 45 to the 85 and they were hitting outside storage, 85. Inside, there was a mention of, I believe it was $65 and it should have been over the $100 mark.

Okay, we're going to put this in committee. Yeah.

The chief of police has got to be here to discuss this. Okay. There was a reason that that was. And also, yeah, last time.

Next one is ordinance. Wait, Jack, one second. All right, go ahead. Councilman, sorry. Last time we discussed this on the floor, it was decided we all thought it was going to be $85 on this, and we did the comparables of $95 in Rome and elsewhere, so.

Okay, we'll put it in committee and then we'll bring it out and vote on it. All right? So Lisa could discuss it. Next one, ordinance extending the moratorium on the battery storage facility. Samantha, you got an amendment on that?

I actually submitted this. I put an additional 60 days. So whatever amendments you guys got, you get 60 days to do it. Did you put it in there?

So the only thing I will add is it's going to be about a year, if not a year, since we've done this, so I would highly recommend that the council needs to take action one way or the other, however they're going to act. There's obviously legislation sitting in committee that was prepared by my office as well in conjunction with urban that's been sent to planning board but the council needs to act because we are pushing our time limits for auditoriums so why don't we right now schedule before our next council meeting a five o'clock committee meeting to go over this

we've got to go over a lot of things so i was planning on scheduling again let's get through this and we're going to put listen i think myself and uh and councilman beatar have an amendment when we were going to put it in we just didn't have time to do it today so we'll do that all right so we're putting in committee well yeah wait a minute you have to act on it i apologize i'm incorrect we're going to vote on on this today you got to vote on the extension all right My bad. All right, next one is a local law amending section 2-15-46 of the Code of the City of Utica relating to synthetic cannabis.

We can throw this out. It's going to be an ordinance, and the council president will read it into the floor to put it into committee.

Yeah, but it's not going to be this piece.

It's going to be changed to an ordinance, not a local law. Nope. Nope. We're just amending it to an ordinance. And that's it.

All right. So this is going into committee. That's it. No, I got one. I have one here. Proposed Ordinance 30, Ordinance Amending Section 2-1835 of the Utica City Code to prohibit sitting, standing, climbing, or lying upon monuments, memorials, and commemorative structures in city parks.

I think this is long overdue.

I think we have people sleeping on our monuments, hanging on our monuments. So this is, I hope we can get this passed. I guess we gotta put it in the committee today and hopefully we'll pass it next week or next time we meet, all right? Everybody take a read it and see if you got any comments on it.

And do we do the local law for July 1st for properties? Yeah, there's one, Councilman Lamedico. Did we, for July 1st properties?

All right, is there anything in the city of, in our legislation committee to hold something we can pull out?

Councilman Lamedico, did we do the July 1st properties? see you again see you again july 1st law amending section 5.022 of the utica city charter to confirm the valuation date for real property in the city of utica to be july 1st is that numbered it is to lay on the table okay anybody any discussion So right now, all the real property in the city shall be determined annually as of March 1st, and such property shall be valued at the preceding July 1st.

All right. So is there anything, anybody need to pull anything out of the committee to hold? I hope not.

All right. All right.

I'd like to close this meeting. Can I get a second? Second. All right.

Meeting's closed. We got five minutes? Yeah, I'll give you five minutes. Five minutes?

Please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance followed by a moment of silence for the deceased members of the Common Council.

allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

motion.

Okay. Yeah. where'd you put it nobody got to sign up yet so they're all signing it down emily had a

good evening everybody so i have a proclamation

memorialize mrs ann martin whereas anne marie gilio martin was born in utica new york on july 19 1942 to anthony and josephine gilio living on bleaker street Utica and later 1805 Baker Ab Utica. Whereas Anne attended Utica Public Schools and often spoke fondly of her years at Utica Free Academy as a student and a cheerleader. Anne Marie later attended Utica College where she met her husband of 60 years, Edward J. Martin Jr. The Martins have five children, Lisa, Colleen, Edward, Angela, and Anthony. Whereas in 1980, the Martin family, under the leadership of Anne Marie, entered the restaurant business, opening the Village Inn Pancake House, 57 North Genesee Street. Anne Marie was particularly excited about the location and its closeness to the harbor and the possibilities that the harbor presented. Whereas Anne became very active in bringing attention to the Village Inn, and to the potential for development around a clean, attractive harbor. Ann became a member, eventually the president of the North Utica Association. Ann Marie contacted New York State Department of Canals, arranged for Betsy the barge to be anchored in the harbor close to the shore to serve as a stage for performances that would draw people to the harbor area and again push for the improvement of the conditions of the harbor. Whereas Anne Marie arranged a small plane to fly over the harbor so that this could produce a video of the entire harbor area. The video would enable greater view of the area and potential for development from a different perspective. This was presented to the mayor's office and Ann Marie. In her coming effort, engaged in numerous contacts, meetings with officials who had knowledge of the deteriorating conditions of the harbor. Whereas in 1990, Ann Marie changed the name of her restaurant to Harbor Inn, keeping with her strong feelings for the area. resolve that the Common Council for the City of Utica does hereby remember and memorialize Anne Marie Martin for all the contributions to our great city and placing an honorary street sign at the intersection of Lee Street and North Genesee Street declaring the portion of Lee Street named Anne Marie Way and further resolve that the tribute will forever be a part of the minutes of the Common Council meeting held on August 26th, 2026.

Councilman, can I just get a motion and a second to introduce this proposed resolution number seven?

Motion. Second. Yeah. Thank you. That's it. Vote, please. Vote for me.

I want to thank the council. I'm here with Tony Leone and Father Salerno, cousins. Ann was very dedicated, and I said earlier in a pre-meeting, she was about 30 years ahead of the state in a national grid coming in straight to Harborough. So Ann is not with us anymore, but she's looking down very favorable tonight. Thank you very much.

can i have a motion a second to introduce proposed resolution number 13. thank you honoring utica post 229 2026 american legion district 5 champions players come up you can come next to me you know come right behind me i ain't gonna bite you hi guys hi here you're gonna take one visit

I'll give you guys some room.

Hi, Coach. How are you? Good. Thanks for coming. Sorry it's very hot in here. I apologize to all the audience. The air system must be broke. So we'll get you guys in and out. We'll have a five-minute. And thanks for coming. So this is a proclamation honoring Utica Post 229 American Legion District 5 champions. Whereas the City of Utica is proud to recognize the outstanding accomplishments of Utica Post 229 upon capturing the 2026 American Legion District 5 Championship. And whereas this championship represents a remarkable achievement for players, coaches, families, and supporters of Utica Post 229, reflecting their commitment, perseverance, teamwork, discipline, and dedication to the game of baseball. And whereas the 2026 District 5 Championships marks an extraordinary fourth consecutive District 5 title for Utica Post 229, establishing a remarkable four-peat in continuing the program's proud tradition of excellence in American Legion baseball. And whereas under the leadership of Manager Greg Gata, along with his assistant coaches and coaching staff, the players of Utica Post 229 have demonstrated their determination, sportsmanship, leadership and teamwork, and probably represent us in the city of Utica. And whereas the dedication of manager Greg gate and the assistant coaches and the entire coaching staff has helped guide these young athletes both on and off the field, providing leadership instruction, encouragement and discipline and necessary achievement at the highest level. And whereas American Legion baseball provides young athletes with the opportunity to develop not only their athletic abilities, but also character responsibility. discipline and strong connection to their community. And whereas the continued success of Utica Post 229 is a testament to their dedication and players. Manager Greg Gaeta, the assistant coaches and staff and families who support their collective efforts have established the championship tradition in the city of Utica. Whereas by last name we'll recognize Michael Bateman, Carter Castronova, Marciano Curley, Anthony Desaro, Cheeky Emmanuel, Braden Gouger, Rory Hogan, Ronaldo Javier, Michael LePage, Dylan Miller, Ramari Patterson, Leo San Giacomo, Trey San Giacomo, Amari Satcho, Gina Whiteley, Owen Williams, and I just want to make sure I'm not leaving anybody out. And whereas each member of this team contributed to an accomplishment that brings tremendous pride to their families, coaches, and American Legion baseball. And whereas the City of Utica likes to extend their sincere congratulations on winning the 2026 American Legion District 5 Championship and achieving those ordinary accomplishments in the City of Utica in 2026. So we've had this as the second year in a row that we've been able to honor you. Congratulations. I hope I didn't leave anybody out. Everybody was mentioned? Okay. So congratulations, guys.

Well, I'm a veteran, and I'm a member of Post 229, and you guys make me very proud.

God bless.

Now he needs a doctor.

Greg, do you want to say anything? Just thank you. Thank you, Sam, for putting us all together. Yeah, absolutely, and thank you guys for coming. I know it's hard, you know, at the end of the summer for you guys to be here, so I want to thank you again for coming. And you guys, all some very familiar faces, some people that...

coach curly coach jersey and myself have coached before so we appreciate them coming and it's good to see them growing so thank you guys i have a motion in a second motion for for a five minute motion for a five minute recess to adjourn for five minutes motion in a second motion okay adjourn we'll get everybody on your way to presume the meaning to resume is there a motion in a second to dispense the reading of minutes from the previous meeting public comment period allows three minutes per speaker our first speaker is Michael fellows Hi, Michael. Common Council has provided you a copy of Section 3244, Public Comment Period.

Are you in agreement? I have not received it. I have not received it. Can I get a copy? Can I get a copy? Okay, thank you. Good evening members of the council leadership and fellow residents. My wife and I born and raised in Utica, New York operate our small business at two, six, four, four Genesis street for nearly a decade. Up until last fall, we maintained a spotless 107 month record of paying our rent on time and treating that property like our own. This month should have been our 11th 10th year anniversary in business. Instead, our doors were closed within the city of Utica, a place we call home. We were forced out, not because of poor business practices, but because we dared to exercise our legal rights as commercial tenants to demand a safe, sanitary, and habitable workspace. For over a year, our landlord ignored persistent untreated water leaks running directly into our shop from a second floor bathroom. We were subjected to exposed sewage and raw wastewater dripping onto our ceiling tiles to the floor. We dealt with inadequate cooling that pushed summer temperatures inside our shop to 93 degrees, forcing us to turn clients away. When we finally stood our ground and refused to be ignored, we filed a complaint with the City of Utica Coast Department. We filed that was a swift, aggressive act of illegal landlord retaliation. Within weeks of reporting the violation, we were served with eviction papers. Shortly after, the slumlord lost his case in court of laws everyone must follow. Retaliatory eviction against small businesses and tenants is a systematic crisis across our country. But what happened right here in Utica reveals a deeper local failure. The failure of our city's leadership and code enforcement to hold negligent slumlords accountable. When I turned to the City of Utica Coast Department for help, their response was a revolving door of delays. A notice of order was issued, yet follow-up inspections were pushed off for weeks. Calls to the inspector went completely unanswered. When I spoke directly with leadership at the Department and Common Council regarding bodily fluids coming through our ceiling, I was met with deflection, bureaucracy, while our landlord operated with complete impunity. Code enforcement is not supposed to be a paperwork exercise or a photo op on social media to self-proclaim their accomplishments. Its sole purpose is to enforce local laws, protect health and safety, and hold property owners accountable when they endanger the public. When the City of Utica fails to enforce its own codes with urgency, it sends a clear signal to bad actors. You can neglect your buildings, endanger your tenants, and retaliate against anyone who speaks up without consequence. We lost our livelihood, lost our established location, and absorbed thousands of dollars in moving expenses, loss of income, and debt simply because we asked for basic health standards. We are far from the only ones in this city facing this issue. I am standing here tonight to demand that this council take a hard look at the operations of our codes department. We need proactive code enforcement with actual teeth, strict penalties for retaliatory actions against tenants, and clear accountability for city officials when code violations are left to fester. Utica cannot thrive if the small businesses and residents are left unprotected against predatory property owners. Utilize your resources. Protect the people who build this community. And like the Oneida County Health Department stated, they need to do your job. Considering how you forced me to silence my freedom of speech here, I will release in full details on this social media where you cannot hide. This is far from over. If city leadership continues to maintain this generational status quo, instead of holding negligent property owners accountable, voters will find representatives who will. Thank you for your time.

Thank you, Michael.

Thank you.

Our next speaker, Emily Raymond.

Emily Common Council has provided you a copy of section 3244 public comment period are you in agreement yes thank you good evening I just and I am Emily I grew up in Utica moved away for some time and then moved back to help my mom I I fully appreciate and understand what Mr. Fellows just expressed, and I hope that all the members of the Common Council, leaders in our city, elected officials will really pay attention and follow through and act on what he said. I too share similar problems when it comes to codes and codes enforcement. And this is not to point the finger at any one particular individual or the department, but clearly something needs to be done, okay? Now, I'm here to just share a quick concern about the folks with housing visions who I guess are seeking money or time to revitalize, fix up the units that they have throughout the city. uh... i do have a complaint uh... i drive up and down the streets in my neighborhood everyday uh... and i see these units that are occupied by people who you know received subsidies and and taxpayer assistance And they live in these developments, these not-for-profit owned structures, but they don't always take care of their properties. And I tend to think that it's because the management with places like Housing Visions doesn't provide enough supervision, okay? uh... my big thing is always been i've talked a few times in the past curb appeal blight you know uh... it matters and i and i just hope that with housing visions indoor whoever else is looking for money and were subsidizing them in one way or another that they're a little uh... stronger about going in there and making sure that you know the tenants are taking care of their units and not just showing us all their blight. So that is it, thank you.

Thank you. Our next speaker, Nathan Longton. Nathan, Common Council has provided you a copy of section 3244, public comment period. Are you in agreement?

Yeah, my first time here. Hello, my name is Nathan Longton. I'm the founder of the Utica Volunteer Corps. I go around Utica cleaning up overgrown properties, over trashed properties, and I coexist with Heather here and Gene Allen, whatever I can, you know.

Yeah, I run Proctor, Proctor, Donovan, yes.

But I go around and do the worst of the worst, the most drug addicted areas, most dangerous areas that you will never see parks ever go. I first started doing this and the pedestrian bridge, picking that up, pick up eight, a hundred needles while parks drove by and seeing me have piles and piles of garbage. Just act like nothing. I'm like, can you just do something? I try, I work with Heather and Jean as much as I possibly can and I talked to them about ideas we could do, like, hey, we talked about street signs that are faded, damaged, street lights, and we now see the Department of Engineering drive around with trucks with brand new street signs, doing a grid square of replacing street signs. There's a lot of street lights, especially on Mohawk Street that are well past expiration date, that needs to get replaced. Sometimes those minor little things will make the city great. Just that little bit of goodness can make the city beautiful again. And that little bit of us coming together as a community, just going around your block, pick up a piece of garbage, brings us the actual dignity this city actually needs. Us unifying to each other, showing love to each other, no matter what you are, who you are, and what you believe in. Just bring dignity and love to each other, no matter what. Okay? So all I want to say, guys, hope you all enjoy the rest of your day, and have a lovely night.

thank you and our elders when no one is willing we will never get the lessons we learned from yeah yeah understandable katie but you have to i had to change it from a local law to an ordinance sure so that's why i have to have read it into the record as an ordinance because i only have the local law in front oh you did the ordinance part okay

synthetic drugs purpose the purpose of this section is to prohibit the unlawful manufacture sale offering for sale distribution furnishing delivery and possession of synthetic cannabinoids and other synthetic substances within the city of Utica including products commonly marketed or known as k2 spice synthetic marijuana fake marijuana deuce deuce or by any other name Definitions for purpose of this section, the following words and phrases should all have meanings. Cannabis should have the meaning established by, applicable to New York State.

Votes please. council just just to let you know that the new ordinance there was a new local law that was submitted with an updated component that has the nuisance abatement tied to it and also the um um testing component so that was updated so just take a look at it and we just like i said here change it from a local law to an ordinance

the monument one why did we put that in commission why didn't we vote that on that we got it jack why did we do that

A local law amending Section 5.022 of the City of Utica Charter to confirm the valuation of date for the real property in the City of Utica to be July 1st, be it enacted by the Common Council of the City of Utica, Section 1, Section 5.022 of the Utica City Charter is hereby amended to read as follows. In the manner provided in the real property tax law or other general laws of the state relative to the listing, valuation, and assessment of property for purposes of taxation, the assessor shall proceed to make correct review, complete, and verify the assessment roles for the city. The taxable status of real property in the city hall should be determined annually as of March 1st, and such property should be valued as of the preceding July 1st. THE ANNUAL ASSESSMENT OF PROPERTY IN THE CITY FOR THE SUCCEEDING FISCAL YEAR SHOULD BE MADE BY THE ASSESSOR BY MARCH 1, AND THE TENATIVE ASSESSMENT ROLL SHOULD BE COMPLETED ON OR BEFORE MAY 1. THE ASSESSOR SHOULD CAUSE THE NOTICE OF COMPLETION OF TENATIVE ASSESSMENT ROLL TO BE PUBLISHED AS REQUIRED BY LAW. THE NOTICE SHALL SPECIFY THE FOURTH TUESDAY IN MAY AS THE DATE ON WHICH THE BOARD OF ASSESSMENT AND REVIEW SHOULD MEET TO HEAR COMPLAINTS. relation to assessments such day should be known as grievance day upon the day so designated the Board of Assessment and Review shall meet and act in conformity with the notice upon the completion and verification of the final assessment roll it should be filed on or before July 1st with the city clerk there to remain 10 days for public inspection a separate assessment should roll should be made for each ward prepared as prescribed by the real property tax law except that and shall contain a column for the insertion of the new of the city tax upon levy of the city taxed by the Common Council the assessor should make one copy of each of the roles contained in the city tax and deliver the same to the city treasurer section 2 this local law should become effective immediately in accordance with municipal home rule law votes please it's just table okay anything else

yeah nine days to table um council one thing before uh we adjourned that there is the fee schedule for the bail bail us that we we should probably figure out first the ski chalet that we've got to figure out those rates before the start of the year i mean this has been since february nobody else has submitted anything else um but we got to get this done and i think just for for the confusion purposes of people that want to ski there so That's all. Thank you.

Are we calling for a meeting, for a committee meeting for September 16th at 5 p.m.?

I'm going to call a committee meeting if you guys want to call one, but I'm calling another one because I've got too many pieces before that meeting. I'll let you know the date. I'll send out a notice.

All right. If I may, Mr. President, I just want to... Just because of the piece regarding valuations and assessment, I want to put back on everyone's radar the senior property tax exemption. It reminds me because the taxable status has to be determined by March 1st. So if we could have a committee meeting on that at some point, look at that, answer any questions, and hopefully pass it this year so the city has time to transition into the new proposed numbers that are currently on the table.

I don't know if I could do something. I have a meeting on a Tuesday like we did last week. we could do it whatever day i just want to put it back on everyone's radar because yeah joe because there's other pieces that i want to discuss and i don't want to do it the day of the council meeting because obviously you've just seen what you know look that's that's fine it's not that i'm just putting this back on everyone's radar yeah i'll let you i could do wednesday september 9th or tuesday september 15th i get a look at my schedule i can't tell you right off the top of my head and that's the day before the council meeting i don't want to do it we'll discuss it okay get a second adjourn