Planning & Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

It's 5 o' meeting of regular planning and zoning commission meeting. Um, go ahead and call the roles and member Rawlings here. Member Carolyn Espice Chair Carson Bledsoe here. and chair James here. And you have a

Okay. And public comments will wait till uh workshop. First item to approve the minutes of August 16. Everyone's had a chance to read them. I move that we accept the meeting. The minutes is written. I second it. All in favor? I Okay, on the regular agenda at 501 open the workshop. This is the variance request for five bills and Wood Creek, Texas. Now, everybody has read through the information. Everyone's aware of Meadows. It's a small neighborhood of what you might call garden homes.

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Um and the developer uh for a lot five has asked for basically three variances. Um he's asked to um go First, he's asked to not use the current setback, which would be the 25 foot in the front, and then to revert to the 10-ft front um as per the uh other homes in the neighborhood, and then to a zero line at the back. Um, everyone has seen the pictures you have. there's a a common area that in the back. So, the neighborhood was designed to have a zero lot line. So, on the plan that we were looking at where there's space between the back of the house and the lot, um that's not in the common area. That's just part of that lot. So explain to me I'm I'm my my jargon as far as surveys and such. Zero lot run. Tell me what that is.

You can build right up to the lot to the lot. No, but you have not proposed that on anything. No. Okay. Because Yeah. I thought you said he wanted waiver of being able to do that. He's asking he's asking for the barrier. I assume what he's given us is not a building plan. Correct.

Give me the site plan. And so I I bought the Do you want his history property? I bought the property from the original developer was Jean Morris and her husband. He died. I did develop three of the houses in there plus the other 12 that are in there were done by him. The three the three homes were designed as they was sold as a zero lot line which means you had that 10 foot driveway and then obviously I don't know how many feet I mean from the back it's improved it like 20 ft from the back I think on that side pl but I think the the the current is 25 foot in the back and 20 20 foot what's the what's the current

25 front and uh it's 25 in the back various for house at all. You go with those setbacks, right? And the other houses are not built to those setbacks. All all other houses are built to zero lot line with the original setbacks. Original setbacks were basically built with narrow grow that if you look at the top picture, you can see the common area between the homes. Yeah. Yeah. I just drove around there twice about an hour ago looking at it. And was that was that meant to be a one-way street?

Uh, well, it's it's two ways, but it's it's you go in and you go. It is kind of a it can't be done as a oneway street, but you can go either way. And it looked to me like, but there were no signs. So, no, no signs. Maybe right the HOA by them is their own except for Wood Creek, their own little HO. When did when did they approve the site plan for the neighborhood?

I was approved like two and I think not sure about the documents I gave you. I think like I bought the property 12 homes building. I built three of them. So it was like 99. Wait, wait, wait. We're getting off. There are only 12 homes built. There. Are you saying there are 15? Well, total 18 lots, right? And they should be there. Six lots. So, there's 12 houses going, right? How many of those did you build? I built three for you. And when did you build those?

2005, 2006. So, head. If you look at house number one, if you come in, you go to the to the right, that's the first house that go right there. looking at before Street. That's the one I built. So, well, the thing that was handed to us, there was an area. There was an arrow pointing to the front lot that you're facing on the left. It says subject something. That was No, that was from some other thing. Yeah, some other thing. Okay. Subsequently, I erased that.

Oh, okay. Uh when I uh if the uh

that's fine. I just didn't know what it was. It confused me because I saw where lots five and six were. But yeah, it's a subject and it was like lot 18 or something. Yeah. Yeah. Because they were talking I don't know what was it something else but Okay. I had just never mind made a copy of the uh that's the picture. Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to get the layout. They have a lot of good information but some of it's not good.

What is the Do you know what the previous um the original B was for before it got changed? I think it was around probably close to 50%. So when they changed up not sure what year they changed on like 2000 something like that dropped the purchase cover way down way back when it went from like 50 30 so those homes had 50% rediscover

seems like it would have to theoretically zero but like like you said they don't get any credit for the common Yeah, the shoot. I don't know why they don't get any credit from area, but they it's it's basically it's pretty much a backyard. So, on that drawing you gave us of the house, that common area isn't shown in that drawing. Okay. The common area is owned by we own the common area as well. So, Bigwood owns common area. It's it's actually it's actually it's a lot. It's all about the HOA as they as they call it.

Who who who runs the HOA currently? Um the child that currently left lives in unit u it was it was u me for a long time then it was kind of live in unit number one

because I reached out to the uh I just went on the tax and got a PO box. Yeah. And I sent a letter uh some weeks ago, but I'm never going to respond. They kind of like they want to take it over. I told they could take it over and now they kind of swap between people who actually make sure the laws are kind of maintain $600 a month, dude. Oh, super excited. Wow. This place must be a lot nicer than I thought they were. Take another year.

That's all right. Well, it comes all they take land. So they know your everyone gets their yard mode. The roads are taken care of by they fix roads. They fix the road. So they don't call Wood Creek to fix the roads fix. So they're in their body fixing. So Wood Creek has a fixed road. Do we not pay for it? I don't think you're I'm not sure of that. I'm not I can't guarantee it, but I know for a fact that they they did pay to fix the roads just not that the roads not very nice, right? Well, I just drove over them and I wasn't impressed. So, I doubt they were done with our current

Yeah. I'm not saying they were horrible or anything, but it wasn't like, oh, this is like Deerfield with the ribbon girl. They own the if they own the road. Yeah, they own the road. If the HOA owns the road. Yes. No, no, no. I'm not casting this versions of

No, no. I'm not I'm not No, I'm definitely not what I'm saying. It's just that would The reason I'm saying that is it's like hold it in my head. We paved all the roads, all the city roads. So, the only reason we wouldn't have paved that one or those that you know one was originally paid by the morals. They paid for son or something. Well, it does seem to me that as long as that common area behind cannot be developed and built on,

there should be some allocation of the herbous cover to the homes on a prorated basis. Yeah, I'm not sure we get down from that's a difficult thing to meet out. to meet the just meet the China with the setbacks away or current zone the lot's 50 by 90 and we have a 25 ft on the front 25 on the back and 7 and 12 on the sides for a total of 15 you got a lot that is under a previous coach you know right now be required to have two car garage do that

much less build and every other home in there has two-car Yes. And they're also I we don't have the data per se, but we we guess that all of them are bigger than 30%. Well, maybe they don't they should be we can do some more research. G square footage in there is about house in the garage and I think it's almost close to 2,000 square feet in the garage. Yeah. Right. So that's definitely about 30. That's Oh, including the garage. Including the garage.

Oh, okay. It's like a 50 square foot house with two car two car full and the drive was pretty small like 10 foot drive. Right. The other uh two items requested were of course the driveway. They want only a single uh 2x10 parking space. And then the lot the third item of course is the one car. Um now on the driveway um they're proposing u a setup that they are asking for uh in 100% impervious rating on um I'm skeptical about that. I don't think you can get 100% impervious on that. I'm not sure you can even get 25%.

It seems more like a dick. They do make a they do make a special proof paper that was actually in this meeting I came to last time and it's a curbous paper. It does look it's spec 100%. The problem is those papers look like everyone see I saw it.

Seen it. Okay. I think it's just lacking of specs to back it up. The uh the problem is it would seem like that only works if the water pools um if the water pulled on it out here if it's a flat area. The problem is is I if you look at pictures of your 10- foot driveways, um those driveways are very slam because the way the house filled up. I don't think the water will pull. I think the water will just bounce off of it, run off of it. Um I personally don't think that would be per considered impervious cover if it were flat. or a longer driveway and the water could pull then eventually go through. But when your driveway is like this, you know, you know, a paper, they actually have they're in granite, right? Or they're in some kind of material and you can you can actually pull water. They're definitely they're purpose. They're made specifically for this application.

I've seen them. Yeah, I agree. this details like if we want to limit the verbous cover this is what a driver is what you have to do and and I agree we want to go towards but are we going to by granting this um variance a drainage problem? No, we're going to have that type of driveway. Right now, it says a hard driveway. That's the definition of what's allowed in. But that looks like that could be called a hard driveway. It's bricks basically clay concrete bricks. Yeah. I mean, because it has those pavers.

It's the spacing in between the there's going to be a gap in between each. What about the maintenance item? When you've got a slope like that, the the wheel creates the wheel creates um outward or outward um momentum. Is it going to I just I just did a thousand foot driveway out hill like this and it's been there over a year. It's not a problem at all.

I mean plus when they put the stuff in there they they actually if you want to pay a little extra you can put you can put sealer on too as well. So nothing obviously that would probably make affected B cut but no there's there's no problem. It's actually the best thing about payers is they're you have a problem if you want to fix them you just pop into one vent. Yeah, they're expens they're more expensive than they're more expensive than regular. So people would just So how big are these lots over there? They're uh 50 by 90.

50 by 90. So how many square feet is 4500? 4500 square ft. So it's 1450. that includes impous.

I just would hate to see a onecar garage amongst a bunch of twocar garages. They already have cars scattered everywhere else.

Yeah. Thousands around people. Okay. I don't know to maintain impervious coverage or the impeous surface for the driveway. That's permitting issue. Means he would have to prove in the permitting process that whatever option he goes with meets the per coverage that we need to allow the rest of the house to be built. And to me, if it's a pvious driveway, the one our parking spots have been pulled to me. Um, you can park, you can have five of them if you want. If the whole thing looks, it gets down to one. Then we do the set.

How do they prove it to you? Well, he's going to he's going to go with that. Um, specific material. He's going to have to get the specific material, all the data, and let and our engineer can review it. if we uh you know there's driveways out here that they're using fresh granite that's packed in and that's pvious. All right. So that it's going to be whether or not any all that same

the permitting requirements. So as it relates to impurpose coverage. So to me it goes down to setbacks in one car garage and whether or not that won't the lack that since I'm going to make the assumption that council would not prove anything over 30%. That given a onecar garage you would have a little more room to make to offset that the smaller house. you the other houses were bigger. We can't go that big. We know that. But if he went to one car, he could add that third car, that third bedroom and second bathroom. So, so long as he's been in the pering process, the pvious and impervious coverage restrictions don't require this. It's proven that that's so I kind of like your thoughts of using the cup. So why question why can't we split the problem here in the middle if one half of that side one half of this side and then we can that portion there would be

into the calculation calculation that would be made for me putting out as long as you could guarantee that that could never be developed. Well, we own it. It can't be the books. It has to be right. I can't Well, I can't I can't build house. How are they going to develop that? How are they going to develop that one little thing? No, it can't be. Okay. Yeah, but we're not in a position to uh to make that assessment, are we? I don't know what we're in position to do. Well,

the flood the varian had is setbacks and driveway in the house, not impervious coverage. So, he's not asking to go over it. He's out one car garage house. That means the square 1450 square foot um restriction let his foot impervious coverage be 1450 period with garage, house, sidewalk, driveway, whatever. Pervious impervious coverage. I believe the plan you have in front is like the house is like 1300. If you could if you could get credit for half of the common area in the back um along the lot lines, could you could you work with a twocar garage? Well, I would think that there's pl I mean between I don't I don't know how wide that area is. It's probably at least at least probably 50 feet. So, it's right now 25 ft.

I think that somewhere was 30. That's what I read at 30. So, 30. So it adds like 15 like 15 feet to each spot. 15 by 15 by 50 by that number. Would that be an HOA vote? How would they how would they determine No, I think it's I think it's just a council because all you're doing is giving them credit for for that common era. You're not changing the use of that property to do anything.

You're not changing the use. It doesn't give that homeowner the right to do anything on that property. You're just simply giving them credit for and is there any discussion on rainwater collection? Because we do have we do have something that is in our ordinances that you can get a credit or imperous cover if you do rain water collection. you do like how how much like it's a small one. There's a It depends on how what what size you put in, right? Yeah. You're not going to do you're not going to get it with a 100 gallon, but no, you're talking maybe 500 to 500 gallon tank, you can do something like that. That's

Yeah. If you you can buy back some some impervious cover, you know, it's like we encourage it. I mean anything any green building initiative there is we encourage it and try to incentivize it but didn't they do that at Tully there's a lot of rainwater collection at Tully but was that just kind of window dressing or was that actual buying back too yeah I think that is just because they want to collect rain water now but that was part of the the original deal they they their PDD did get approved with over the burgies cover at the time because they had a shared common space but but like 5% they couldn't

which is a precedent for what we're talking about here. I wrote the ordinance for the credit and rainwater but I don't know what the council did with it. I don't know if it's accurate. It's a big confident place. The Yeah. The problem is the population um that it's like, okay, if you've got X number of square feet and this many gallons, you get X percentage value. That formula hasn't really just had the final lines. I mean, talked about it, but well, I put it in the ordinance. I copied Austin.

Yeah. So, so if that ordinance if that ordinance were approved then you know Yeah. All right. Um it's out there. Well, I would be very agreeable to give him credit. Yeah, me too. And um I'm reluctant on the one car garage for two reasons. One, it's a it's a change in the neighborhood. I'm very much into keeping the neighborhood. That's why I'd be very agreeable to the lot lines. Yeah. Because that's because that's that's how they were designed.

So that was my original plan from the history. So I just want to build the exact same houses. I have the plans all exact there. But you can't. I can't. But you can't because the council is not going to give them the 30%. Correct. They don't give a So the question is if you go to a twocar garage um if you're get you would have to prove on the driveway because now you've got a bigger driveway. Not necessarily. No big because there are two car garages that are linear.

I mean again the neighbors work. I mean it's all reason that they vote right to someone else. So then the question is if you can meet the 30% by getting the common area credit and going getting impervious cover on the driveway if you can prove that then the question is can you meet 30%. I believe the plan right there is 29%. So you know forget that's a one car garage. That's one card. If you have to add in like 50 plus 15 * 50 is 750. So that is what 750.

Yeah, that's 250. So that adds an extra 250. Yes. A twocar garage is 400. But he's adding to a one there should be 50 car. problems up. So, it's sticking with what's there. If you did a one if you forced a twocar garage and that leaves a little spot basically 750 I think left for footprint of livable space which means you got to go two stories to make it worthwhile. Now, does that fit within the scope of that?

No other two stories. We we're not addressing two stories. It's it's within the ordinance. So, we if we're able to we're able to add in the 750, we can add a twocar garage and and keep it one car. That's what that's what I'm just trying to say. If if if you give him the two car and and and and make the credit and and give him some credit on imperfect coverage, he's going to be able to build a twocar garage and better, you know, the size of the house that fits on.

If you're forced to give him the forced to keep the two-car garage and not give him any credit, then that forces his hand and he has to go up to get a decent size house in my opinion. I mean if you do give me a perfect cover stuff and I build the smaller house with two yard it'll look everything will look the same it's just going to be a small like a 200 foot house difference in size no one will know the difference the whole neighborhood is the same which was the goal from the very beginning okay um why don't we go around and uh let me hear your thoughts Uh, we're not voting. We're just hearing.

This is still the workshop. This is still the workshop,

Carson. Well, the specific variances, I think they're all reasonable and I would vote to just pass them, but I think the best solution is to to match the character of the homes. So, that's something else we need to help. That's what we should strive for. Having owned three homes in Wood Creek, um, and sold two homes in Wood Creek, I know that it's important that you don't you you're not working from a disadvantage to your neighbors. So, if you have a onecar garage, you might be able to sell somebody in one car garage, but somebody decides they need to move or they're relocated. selling a onecar garage house in a twoc car garage neighborhood is going to be a hardship on them. So we want to not only look at the current situation but for future Wood Creek citizens and so the only thing that is really in my opinion of concern is the the 30% pvious cover. The rest of it I feel it's workable especially if we can incorporate the additional was it 750 square feet which he would have to show you know in order to get per

and it doesn't seem like that would be hard to achieve.

Okay. My my opinion is that um the setbacks you should get the setbacks. I don't I'm not concerned about that. Uh I would agree to that. The onecar garage I would not agree to. I I don't believe that that's going to be good for the neighborhood. Um I I just don't think I I think you're getting to almost sub in for Wood Creek. Um so I would not agree to that on the impervious uh cover for the driveway. I'm skeptical, but I'm not an expert. So if you're going to have to prove it anyways, then I can give on that. So my attitude would be uh one and then and then we'll draw it all in. But you're going to have to work. I would recommend I will put that in the final board. I will recommend to the council that you get credit for the common area. Um that's what it was said. That's what it was just for my reference of your reference. I believe when I bought the property both first common area was included in common area and I was told when I came back this time brief that the common included but it's it's there. It can't go anywhere.

Yeah. And it's it we're not changing ownership or or use or anything. We're just recommending the council consider that in the uh calculation.

Okay. Um I'm going to take this out. So, if they're all in agreement, I'll write up a final report to be approved at the October 1st meeting, which basically states we uh agreed to the lot lines on that variance. Um, we do not agree to the onecar garage, but we do agree to him attempting to prove or proving that the impervious cover on the driveway will work. And then finally, um, three, what was three? Um, driveway, no one garage, a set box.

Yeah, that's it. And we are you want to add in the perish too. Oh yeah. I I believe it's important that if we're going to require the twocar garage that we It makes more sense. We we give you credit for the uh on there. Yeah. It's better for like you said it's better for the buyers. It's better for the neighborhood saying it doesn't affect anything in the minute at all. It's just there. Right. Really? Okay. So at uh 5:34 we take us out of the workshop. Okay. Are we still good? No, you're good. Thank you guys very much.

We're good.

Okay. Item two is discuss and make appropriate action on the variance request for five bills in Wood Creek. If it's agreeable to to you both, I'll work up a final report draft. Now, next meeting will be a public hearing technically, which means owners can show up at the meeting and I would like to get their input. Um, from what I understand, the only vote we've gotten is concerns about two people coming to go to the newspaper.

But but we bailed out. I've already notified the neighbors. Okay. October 1st would be Republic. And you're not you're not trying to put this on council's agenda for next week or anything. No, you're just going to put the You'll get my final report after the October 1st. What you do with it is my goal would be take it next day, put it on the agenda for the 10th, 8th, whatever. Yeah. After the after the public hearing. Yeah. Yeah. So they're October 1st council meeting October 8. Yeah.

If I could make a motion. Um I make a motion that I work up a draft of the uh final not final report that we agree on at our next meeting October 1st. And if there's any public input, we'll consider that. But we will vote on the final report at our next meeting. Second. All in favor?

I may hold one thing. The lawyer said make sure that you vote make a motion to have a public hearing on the first just to launch your house that you said the public hearing. You can do a separate. That's not do I? I just said that we're having a public hearing on the first. Um, we'll take their input and then we will vote on the final report. Okay. I didn't I didn't hear that. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm just I didn't say to write it down that way.

It was agreed on in the October 1st meeting and in public like the public can come get, but it didn't say public hearing. Oh, yeah. That's what I'm saying. I make a friendly amendment that we word that so that it pleases the lawyer. Let's let's put amendment that uh is agreed on October 1st on October 1st. It will also be a public hear somebody else. Yeah, I'll vote on the amendment in favor. Who seconded that? I was second. Yeah.

Okay. Uh next thing, uh workshop. Okay. At 5. You're good.

We'll see how that 5:30. 538. We're entering a workshop. to discuss um changing ordinance that requires three parking spaces on all single family home. Now, I had a flashback in my days of uh handling the ordinance review committee as I read You want to pull out?

All I have is the red. Yeah. Yeah. It just seems like the person who wrote this ordinance was having a very bad day. Um and right now this is the ordinance as it stands 156 uh 0059. And

as it stands it has the the yellow the highlighted stuff and everything. Yeah, it has everything. But you'll notice that um first it says each dwelling unit shall have a hard surface driveway providing a minimum of three off streetet parking areas each measuring 10 ft by 20 ft. They don't do the dimensions of the driveway. They just say these parking spaces. Then it goes to B. It shall be unlawful for anyone to store vehicles not in operating condition in open view for more than seven days. Such vehicles must be stored in completely enclosed buildings or removed to an authorized storage area.

Why couldn't they be behind the fence? If the paragraph had ended there, it would have said the same thing. Mhm. The everything after this is just edtorializing. No, it's just Yeah. First it says since streets are narrow and provide limited parking area, residential off- streetet parking requirements are essential.

It's like good to know, but what has that got to do with the ordinance? Then it repeats the first line. Each dwelling unit shall have a hard surface sort of providing min. Um now the council seems to think I've got the council minutes up above that. The council seems to indicate that the three parking spaces are hardship. Um it's I I can look at my neighbors my neighbor is the uh the first um duplex and he had to build one of those funny pads with right in his front yard pad just to make it legal. Um if they want to reduce it, I suggested um each dwelling unit shall have a hard surface driveway 20 ft by 25 ft because they've got a 25 ft setback and minimum of 20 foot garage. Or we can just say provide a minimum of two off- streetet parking areas each measuring 10 ft by 20 ft.

The problem is getting they get these big pickup trucks. Yeah. And it's funny if you look on villas I don't know if he was there but they've got these 10 foot driveways. This guy's got his truck parked at an angle. That's the only way he can fit it on. Well, and they don't say that the drive that the cars parked in the driveway all have to be facing the same direction. So, you can do two here and then you park one at the end. You drive through the yard and drive it across and park it crossways and that would be illegal. Well, the a lot of the conversation was you got a twocar garage, right? So,

why do you need Yeah. Now you need to be able also put three cars outside. Yeah. On a This is nobody uses a garage or No, that's where you store your stuff. But you know, but if you say I need to I need to be able to park three vehicles in my property. If you count the garage as one, I mean a twocar garage and you handle it as one and then you got a couple more. But you're right. I mean, if it's a 25 ft setback, you you just by default have to have a 25T drive. One of the council members has a 29 ft long driveway. The reason I know that is because I looked at that house before they do.

Oh, yeah. And I go, this doesn't even work with the ordinance. And it's it's just strange. You know, you can't park. You park two cars in there and there's no room for a third or any car. Yeah. Yeah. What do you guys think? We either just I because I my first reaction is why don't you just put the dimensions of dry book? If you got 25 foot setback, 20 foot garage, then just put minimum requirement 20 by 25 foot hard surface. That works for me. I mean, why are we getting into the parking space?

Yeah. Try to fit between pickup trucks. But um the I've also got 156.029 029 um that describes that you can parallel park and it tells you what kind of space etc that doesn't change. So if a person still wants to make you know a parallel parking or do something they can still do that but u I think the problem as I was told was that developers were complaining about

yeah there's weird cowboys that was right there another space Yeah that's what the the guy in the duplex said he put in a a a nice big driveway and then they made him put a pad right out his front door. Uh so what do you guys think? I like the 20 by 25 uh hard surface drive. Yeah, I to me that's that's a no-brainer.

I don't know. I can't think of any reason they have you have a two car garage. Well, it's part of like a festival there, too. So, there's no reason we wouldn't do that. So, I'm trying to think. Yeah. And let's face it, our twocar garage is a not really twocar garage. We got 16 foot opening.

I mean, if I suppose if you had small cars that you didn't want to open the door, you could probably Um okay. So in that case what we would do is we would change the wording to five6. 100059 uh the state each dwelling unit shall have a hard surface driveway. What is hard surface made of?

See that's what I said. What I said earlier I said they describe our driveways as hard surface driveway. Could be gravel, could be paper, brick, could be concrete. It used to be concrete. Yeah. And then and then when impervious cover got to be an issue for a lot of people, they said, "Well, you can't cut concrete, just put appropriate surface."

Well, I kind of like the hard surface because I've seen people throw gravel out in their front yard and say they have it on a park. To me, a hard surface is something that you drive onto repeatedly and it does not change. Define a defined. That's what we need. You need a define hard surface. Well, we could put define the hard surface and like this is your because if you just have the 6 in gravel border, I mean concrete board with the gravel in there. We haven't been asked to do that. There hasn't been asked to redefine

hard surface. I I just pointed out the fact that hard surface can be interpreted and and and if I remember the fence ordinance correctly, you know, it says, you know, substantially whipped. So you could say, you know, substantially hungry, you know, or fill in the blanks, but you know, that would cover the people that have their cuts for her cover and grown. But anyway, hard they're not we're not being asked to redefine what hard to define. I just leave it leave live define another day. Yeah.

Yeah. So I would say each drawing unit shall have a hard surface driveway with a minimum dimension of 20 ft by 25 ft. 40t wide by 25 ft long. Okay. Otherwise, you could have a 20 foot long 25 that doesn't go in the street. No, see that's the other thing. It has to reach the stream. So, you'd have to make it 25 ft. Yeah. So, it's a defacto.

Okay. And then the other thing is eliminate that since streets are narrow and provides limited parking area residential off street parking are essential. Eliminate that and then eliminate the last line because because it's redundant. It's redundant. Yep. Okay. I will um I will write up a a final report on that and we'll have that to agree to at the end of the first week if they're in the briefing. We're still in the workshop. We're still in workshop. So you write up a report. What is the report look like?

Um is that a page, two pages? What is it can vary? It's just a memo, but it's defined in Yeah. State law. Oh, okay. Okay. Council, as I said, I'm new, so I don't know. Okay. Any anything that goes to P& um council cannot act on until we get a final. Yes, you will. Um in the case of zoning or variance changes, we're also required to have a public hearing prior to going to council. Does this meet your public hearing?

That that'll be October 1st. Do we need to make a motion that No, this does not need Oh, well, this does not need Okay, it's No, it's just an ordinance change. Okay, this is stuff I used to do or review. You believe um Yes, okay. Uh I'll take this out of it's uh 550. Take this out of workshop. I make a motion that I create a final report to council as respects parking based on what we've decided today or what we've discussed today and uh for your approval at the October 1st meeting. Okay. Uh, no. Still nothing for me to bring to council.

Just making sure. Do what? There's nothing. Still nothing that I'm bringing council for next week. I'm just making sure. No. No. Because they we're trying to find agenda tomorrow. Right. I don't want to They've got to approve the final order. Yeah. So, we got to put that under a check. Okay. Good. Okay. I didn't want to delay you.

Just announcements. Um October 1st uh will be the last meeting this year of planning and zoning. There'll be no meeting November uh December. It's because there's an election going election season and based on my experience it won't get much done. Um, but we'll also have a new mayor elected and that new mayor may want to organize the uh committees how they wish or whatever the could all be fired. What are you saying?

I mean council could always you know come and say no no we need you all to get together to do this. Yeah. I mean there is going to be no scheduled meeting, no schedule in December. Um, yes it is possible council could suddenly come up with something that I would know for and uh we'll adjourn 652. Yeah. 55 552 552 That was a short meeting. My meetings are always short. Good.