Active Transportation Committee - Regular Meeting

Anyways, I will call the order the August 17th meeting of the in RAC Infrastructure and Natural Resources Advisory Committee Secretary, please all the role Chair barred barred waja.

I'm here vice chair service here member tuna Not present Member Klingsberg. Present. Member Molina. Present. Member Seaborn.

Here.

Thank you.

We'll now hear public comments on items that are not on the agenda but within the jurisdiction of the of NRAC and each speaker will have up to three minutes for their remarks. Do we have anybody I don't see anybody in in chambers who have anybody online.

We do not.

Okay.

Move on to the consent calendar. Mr. Chair.

Yes, sir.

Would we like to do the Pledge of Allegiance?

We will do that, yes.

Okay, thank you.

That'll actually be... You know what? Let's do that now. Great suggestion, sir. Would you like to leave it there? Did I just volunteer? You did. Okay. Everybody rise, please.

Singans next week, put your right hand over your heart. Ready, begin. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America...

So what a member like to move the minutes from our last meeting that'd be the June 20th I would like to move that we approve the July 20th meeting second misprinting the agenda. You're right We've got a motion in a second ma'am. Would you take a roll call, please?

Chair Baradwaja? Yes.

Approve.

Vice Chair Sarvis?

Yes.

Member Tuna? Not present. Member Klingsberg?

Yes.

Member Molina?

Yes.

And Member Seaborn?

Aye.

With that, we'll take that as approval. Madam, just to note that there is a, it does say June. If we can just note that it should be July. Okay moving right along. We'll go ahead and move into regular business from our wonderful staff members.

All right. So let's get started. Tonight I'll be presenting on stormwater and PDS. Uh, short for national pollutant discharge elimination system. Very long name. Um, so we'll co we'll cover what MPDS is, um, how our stormwater systems work and what public works does, um, to stay in compliance, to protect our waterways. So to start, let's look at what's, uh, stormwater is and why it's important. Um, stormwater is rainwater that flows over streets, roofs, parking lots, and other hard surfaces. As it moves, it picks up trash, um, anything, whatever's on the ground. So trash, oil, chemicals, dirt, fertilizers, bacteria, metals from, you know, your breaks from your cars, um, in natural areas. Much of this water typically soaks into the dirt and the ground and it gets absorbed by plants. But cities like Fullerton, we have a lot of pavement and fewer natural surfaces. That means more runoff that ends up in our storm drain system. Unlike sewage, storm water is not treated. Whatever goes in a storm drain flows straight into our creeks, rivers, and eventually the ocean. So this direct flow makes stormwater pollution a serious public and environmental concern. So to protect the nation's waterways, Congress passed the Clean Water Act in 1972. The goal is simple, to restore and maintain the chemical and physical and biological integrity of our waters. The Clean Water Act created the NPDES program. which is, as I mentioned, national pollutant discharge elimination system. The NPDES is a federal permit that regulates pollution entering the U.S. waters. It requires permits for any discharge that could affect rivers, lakes, and the ocean. For cities, this means we must carefully manage stormwater because stormwater flows directly into the surface waters. This is where the MS4 permit comes into play. So MS4 stands for Municipal Separate Storm Sewer System Permit, hence the four S's. So this is our city storm drain network, essentially. So curbs, gutters, storm drain pipes, catch basins. These were designed to carry storm water, not sewage. Because MS4s are completely separate from the sewer system, anything that enters the storm drain flow is untreated into creeks, rivers, and eventually the ocean. So in order to ensure compliance with the Clean Water Act, the NPDES stormwater program is administered at different levels. So from a national level, you got the EPA, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, that oversees the NPDES program from a state level. You got the state resources control board where it implements the NPDES requirements for California. And then regionally, enforcement and permit admin is handled by the regional water quality control boards. Here in Fullerton, we fall under the Santa Ana regional water quality control board. And to give a little bit more background 1987 Congress amended the Clean Water Act to specifically address municipal stormwater system. So these these amendments added municipal NPDES permits making cities responsible for controlling stormwater pollution. By the 90s the first municipal MS4 permits were issued and in the 2000s requirements expanded significantly adding more detailed regulations for construction runoff development standards inspections and long-term stormwater management So to comply with the s4 ms4 permit City must carry several responsibilities, so we got several things to do One is to educate the public about stormwater pollution encourage the community to report spills and illegal dumping and investigate and eliminate illicit discharges, anything that shouldn't be entering the storm drain system, inspect construction sites for erosion control and proper BMPs, which stand for best management practices, review and verify stormwater treatment requirements for new development, maintain city streets, facilities, and storm drain systems themselves. Um, so within the city, these tax, these tasks fall into several groups or departments divisions. Um, it ranges from code enforcement, public works, operation and maintenance, uh, construction inspection and, and plan reviewers. Uh, so today we're going to be focusing more on the public work side of things. Um, since essentially Public Works handles a good portion of the NPDES compliance. So Public Works is truly, I would say, a front line of stormwater protection. And most cities, including Fullerton, operate under the municipal NPDES permits that require ongoing actions to reduce the urban runoff pollution. So it ranges from street sweeping, cleaning public grounds to remove debris, before it enters catch basins. We clean storm drain inlets, catch basins, and in certain locations we even go to install trash capture screens to keep the litter out of our waterways. We respond to complaints about illicit discharges. It could range from paint to oil to chemicals or anything unusual flowing toward a drain. The typical one that we see is someone draining their pool that they haven't dechlorinized their water. That's one that we get a lot. Someone's draining illegally. So we also ensure city staff and local businesses follow prevention practices, and we support our inspectors making sure construction sites implement required BMPs. Again public works plays a major role With stormwater projects that capture the tree and treat runoff so we can help ensure Qualifying new development projects to the same We also monitor water quality and reporting compliance to our regional board So, let's talk about CIP projects in general. So these are city-led projects like roadways, pipelines, and facility upgrades. So we must also follow the NPDES requirements. So city projects are screened for water quality management triggers, which for short, we'll call it WQMP. A WQMP is required when a project has a potential to significantly impact stormwater and ensures long-term stormwater treatment is incorporated in the project's design. So there's two types of WQMPs. There's a priority WQMP and a non-priority WQMP. So priority implies that this is a much larger, more impactful project. Where I've triggered these priority projects require full stormwater treatment, meaning that they must include engineered BMPs. Typically what you see is infiltration basins, bioretention planters, flow-through planters, modular wetland systems, and other permanent features to treat the stormwater before it enters into the storm drain system. Non-priority, these are typically for smaller projects that don't meet the priority threshold. These projects, they still require basic design measures to source control the BMPs, They don't require full treatment systems. They still must prevent pollution, but at a lower level of engineering complexity. So in addition to WQMP, CIP projects also use water pollution control plans. So these are meant more towards construction, during construction activities. WPCPs, which I'll call water pollution control plants um don't necessarily um trigger a much larger scope or complexity as a swip swips are for when there's a disturbance of more than one acre and that's a much larger report so those those are developed by a by a QSD, which is a qualified SWPPP developer. I would say that majority of the projects that we deal with from Public Works don't require a SWPPP, and that's mainly because we're doing a lot of routine maintenance. We're not changing the grade of line. Usually, SWPPPs are, I would say, geared towards more onsite. Developments so the larger private I would say like a larger park project that which Would disturb more than one acre Quick question on that so would the well field that we have in Anaheim kind of trigger that if you're overhauling the entire site because I think that's

I think what's interesting here is the WCMP and the SWP, they're written for site development projects. They're not written for your typical city projects, street improvements, sewer replacements, water main replacements.

Infrastructure. Not really infrastructure unless it correlates to things like parking lots or government facilities, you know, buildings, that sort of thing.

They're really built for working off the street. But we still have to fulfill the requirements. So that's where if you're widening a street, you're adding paving, That's when the WQMP gets triggered. But if you're just repaving the street and not changing the grades, it is considered routine maintenance. So it's exempt from a WQMP.

Interesting. So if you add a turn lane at a large intersection, that may likely trigger it?

Likely because 5,000 square feet of new paving. Adds up pretty quick.

Adds up. Yeah.

So you're adding impervious area at that point. Okay.

Thank you.

So- In addition to CIP projects, we also have private development projects. So this is kind of what David was talking about, on-site developments and plan check. So we review private development projects and, again, for NPDS requirements and determining what level of stormwater compliance it applies. So, again, not all private development projects install the permanent stormwater BMPs, it's only if they're triggered. So if they hit those thresholds. However, private developers are still responsible for implementing the construction BMPs during construction. So in order to ensure that these requirements are met, we do work with the third party reviewer, Jonah Hunter and Associates, which they review Reports such as the WQMPs, the SWPs, the WPCPs as development projects are submitted. these are captured through grading plan checks so this is where you get to see the grading plan check the grading plan showing the disturbance of the area so one of the larger for instance an example some of the projects that required a SWPPP was this like the Pines the development off of Euclid and Rosecrans the hub project off of Chapman next to Kelsey Fullerton that required it and as well as requiring priority WMP devices, which take care of the long-term permanent BMPs to treat the water before it exits their site. Then you also have the smaller projects, right, where you're not necessarily meeting the threshold for a full-blown treatment device, but they're still required to maintain their site and not have sediment or erosion control exit their site, so. So I know we, we, I've been mentioning a lot about BMPs. Um, so their best management practices and in construction sites, this is one of the major potential sources of pollution if they're not managed properly. Um, so this is, um, this is why BMPs are crucial. to add construction sites, and they could involve anything from silt fencing, gravel bags, stabilized construction entrances, covered stockpiles, known of a rain event, so they should be preparing in advance. Concrete washouts, they shouldn't be washing out their concrete spills or leftovers in the gutter. They need to be able to contain that. Um, so building inspectors review private development, um, sites. So they'll, they look at those sites to ensure that they're not, you know, creating a mess out there. Um, for CIP projects, we have, uh, CIP inspectors checking the BMPs and And David over here, who is a QSD, does monthly reviews of RCIP projects to ensure that construction BMPs are in place and maintained. Sometimes contractors forget about them. Sometimes the project finishes and they forget about them. devices that they put that out there. So, um, they, David goes out there and makes their, uh, makes the monthly inspections. Um,

Is that just for CIP projects or other projects that the city has some oversight on?

Because I go for the CIP projects because they are within city right-of-way, city-controlled property, so not private property. Because we are the landowner, we are the permit holder, so it's part of our reporting that I have a QSD report. So building for on-site if that's where you're getting towards building inspectors from our building divisions there they inspect for BMPs and they're reporting and logging that in into their

Dailies, I guess you would call it.

So I will say for the private development if there have a slip and a WGMP our third party goes out and does those inspections and the same thing for Our CIP projects, which is you know, mostly a park project triggers a slip or WMP because it's gone through the permit process they come out and They do the WQMP inspections, but I typically do the SWIFT inspections, also requiring the contractor we hire to also do inspections.

And additionally, you would say that, I want to say that SWIFTs, you're required to log in inspections online through the state water board?

Yeah, you have to basically register the project with the state. You have to update all the reports, file all the reports, and they have a right to come out and randomly audit and inspect the site.

How often do they find issues?

They typically only find issues when things are reported to them. That's the majority of the time when they come out to the site. Now, obviously, there are times when people who work for the state drive by because they live in the area and they see something egregious. They're going to stop and do something. And the fines, I can't remember if they've gone up, but they're like $10,000 a day. Yeah, it could be significant. It can be very significant. Yeah, we take it seriously. I sign for the city as the land, as the property owner, so I take it seriously. And so far so good with our projects, thank you That's all good I

So doing the work is half the work, I would say. The other half is reporting and documenting. So as we were talking about reporting and documenting inspections, David for CIP does monthly inspections, our building inspectors, and with our third party, our logging, our checks, and our responses. These all get recorded, even maintenance activities and enforcement actions. So on a yearly basis, we are submitting a report back to the regional board to demonstrate our compliance of the type of inspections and what we're conducting in order to avoid penalties, obviously. So what are some of the challenges that we face under the NPDES? A lot of times it's, you know, BMPs, as mentioned, are not always maintained on private property or even our contractors. So we try to be on top of it and making corrective actions when things are not in order. Illegal dumping happens. Like I mentioned, it could range from paint, oil and other chemicals that we're not aware of. Also, heavy storms can overwhelm our systems and also increase pollution flow. Mostly when you get a huge rain event, then you're going to have a very, I would say, concentrated polluted water. And also, many people still assume that stormwater is treated, which it's not, unless you're on site and you have a BMP that required it. But majority of...

Majority of the land is not treated I would I would just argue that and not really argue But point out that the fact that we have street sweeping that that is a form of treatment the fact that we require You know silt screens and debris screens and whatnot that that is a form of treatment. So I wouldn't say it's not treated. It's Generally runoff is runoff and so to combat pollutants. We do some levels of treatment Yeah

um obviously this is these are challenges are real and we as a public works department we we work hard every day to follow through with our inspections and maintain our facilities um do our cleanings and maintenance of our our system um so how how can you know the public help right um so it's just not the cities although we're the perfect holder you know, it's some sort of a, the public plays a role into it too. Um, so they can help by reporting spills or if they see something suspicious, they could call us, um, you know, picking up after their pets, um, waste and litter. Um, again, no dumping anything in the storm drain system. If it's, if all it could be is storm water, nothing else. Um, so, So these small actions make a big difference to help protect our waterways in the long run. So with that.

concludes my presentation so um i'll open it up for any public comments questions yes mr chair as far as the state board is concerned um do they just rely on our reports that we are complying with the wmp requirements or do they send their own inspectors to see if we're really complying so we do um they do do audits um and i think we're up for an audit here soon uh we don't know when

But I know they do audits to take a look at what documentation do we have in place? What are we doing? What are our policies? What are our procedures? And they could find where there could be room for improvement and that sort of thing.

And how often do they do this auditing?

It's random. We haven't had an audit in a long time. The next one coming up, and they're doing all Orange County cities. It's related to the WQMP. Which makes sense. The SWP is temporary, right? Once the project's done, it's done. But the WQMP is ongoing. All the treatment devices, the landscaping, all has to be maintained. So they're going to come out and audit the process. They're going to randomly pick WQMPs. They're going to look at them to make sure they were done correctly, approved correctly. Then they're going to go out to the site to see if it was built correctly and it's being maintained. Yeah. Because one of the big challenges now is that putting it on the city is we have to go out on a regular basis, inspect these private properties to make sure that the BMP device they put in is still in place, being maintained and functioning correctly. Up until just recently, we had no financial mechanism to do that. So we have to hire people to do it, but now we've got to find money to pay them. So there's there's a cost now associated with having BMPs on site And that helps offset the cost that we have to go out and do inspections on Thank you Three questions and I'll make them quick Okay, let's say I'm I'm this gentleman sweating over some some spilling that I see where does the public report? Actually, it's our yard

No, no, go for it.

How would someone report it? You call the city. You'll ultimately get routed to our yard, and we have the trained personnel there who go out, observe, and bring out the necessary equipment to deal with the spill. So we've done it before. People are washing down concrete. We bring our back-to-trucks out, start sucking everything up. We've had other pollutants that have been attempting to go down the drains. We go out and do that. Sandbags, try and protect them. Well, before we get the back to trucks out there. It's just our guys and girls respond.

How about washing my car? Am I allowed to put all that soap and that fancy product that I put on there and hose it down in my driveway?

You want to answer that one? No, you go for it. I'm going to say no. You're not supposed to. You're not supposed to.

Obviously, you're not supposed to be doing that stuff. So unless you're using biodegradable soap and you can show, but you park it on your lawn temporarily and it soaks in, be my guest. It'll get treated naturally. If you're running it off into your... Adjacent planter we're soaking into the ground and getting treated or you know by default naturally sure dumping it into your gutter and letting it all run down you shouldn't be doing that which is why the but everyone does That's why the one of the requirements of the car washes is they recycle their water So it's not just getting dumped down into the sewer or out to the ground And since you guys brought it up

If somebody just discovered that they shouldn't be draining their pool, where do they go for more information about what they should be doing with their pool water?

So there are services out there that could treat the pool water to dechlorinate it and so you could dump it or they come and they take it. So there are services out there.

So I think that the requirements have changed over the years. So if you've got an older pool, you can dump the water. But you're supposed to address the chlorination before you dump it into the street. Don't hold me on this. Don't have a pool. Don't plan on having a pool, Nevada pool. I think the newer permits, you are allowed to put it into the sewer. But the older... pools don't have that set up they don't have a sewer ability to dump it into the sewer conveniently. So everyone you see it every spring. I sure see it from Brea everyone dumping their pool water coming running down my street.

Just one quick question. How many staff do we have that are responsible for doing some of the maintenance like cleaning catch basins and that sort of thing.

So that is scheduled through our streets division. So I forget how many staff we have in the streets right now. Not enough, I'll tell you that much. So that's one of their responsibilities is they get the work orders every year to go out and clean catch basins.

So it's not like there's two guys that that's all they do all year long. You've got a big group, and sometimes you're all doing it. Sometimes nobody's doing it. And you just get through what you can get through.

Yeah, I mean, as typical, you think we're getting to early fall. That's when we start addressing our storm drain channels, cleaning them out, catch basins, cleaning them out, because, hey, rain is starting to come. So that's kind of that time of year. That's the activities they're going to be doing.

Thank you.

Nothing? All right. So a couple of questions. So I had asked this years ago. But one of the reasons that the streets open with such a big push a few years ago was one of the arguments was we have to comply with the Clean Water Act and PDS all that. So well that is absolutely true. My concern is always figure out what is the reality. So I had asked them about asked how have we ever been cited been in violation where catch basins have been overflowing because they weren't maintained or there was an issue that that arose not that I'm aware of it would be just over the last three or four years because they said the previous 20 there was never an issue yeah I think we've had warnings you know hey you're

They come out and check our clarifier, for example, at the yard. I don't think we've got a warning on our clarifier. They do a good job of that. But there have been other areas where they're like, hey, clean that up. Show us you've cleaned it up and you're good to go.

But not specifically to the street sweeping related issues that would have been caused by.

Not that I'm aware of. And obviously, if that was a big issue, I don't think we would have made the changes that we made.

Correct. So I think it's just important for us to know up here, but also the public to know that, you know, we've never been in that's never been an issue. So I think we're more than adequate with what we're doing as far as the street sweeping. The other question is. Some and I don't understand the rationale behind this, but some places have banned people from collecting water from their gutters to put into like plant watering barrels and things like that. We're not doing anything silly like that, are we? I'm not aware of any restrictions on that okay Because I think that's people should if they're willing to do that.

I think we should advocate for it Sometimes developments do it to withhold or retain water so that they're not discharging more than what they were discharging previous to development So that's so that's a method that they use a rain barrels to reuse it on their site.

Right. A lot of residences are doing it now too. But there are some municipalities that have actually banned it. So I was just kind of wondering if we had if that was you and if it's not I don't need to spend a lot of time on it.

No I'm not aware of anything being banned. I could have my opinion as to why they banned it.

Right. It's always about the money. The other question is I is have we. design any new storage units because a lot of times you hear about oh there's a drought there's a drought we're always in a state of drought it appears but it's really not the water the rain issue as much as storage and that's from years of study has there been any new storage facilities in the city.

Countywide where they're actually creating like meaningful storage to get through the dry months No, I think part of that especially in North Orange County is because the way it was developed in the 50s and 60s There's no obvious area to create it. The obvious area is in a park But a lot of parks don't run directly adjacent to a major storm system. So how do you get the water into that area? Now, there's two ways you can build these underground detentions that allow for infiltration. So you're grabbing the water and putting it back in the aquifer, so natural treatment. Correct. If you want to collect it and then use it for, say, irrigation, that is hugely expensive for the amount of water that you obtain from the occasional storms. Then you have to deal with the filtration, the treatment, and all the pumps. So that's not something you're going to see on a regular basis. Even rain barrels in Southern California are not... Suggested for WPMP because you just don't get enough water to make it worthwhile So are people so the concern is that it would be expensive for them to create the storage It is it's expensive to create it How big of a system do you need? for what you're going to do. And the chances are you're going to use it once. Say, for example, you do it for your house. You'll use it once for your sprinkler system, and then you're done.

No, I meant citywide. I'm sorry.

So citywide, it's just For us to, there are certain locations where you get a constant flow of water right out of these channels. But I think the problem is where do you, where is that? And can we now build a detention basin that we can now pull water out of and then put it into a treatment device?

Because you have to pre-treat it, correct?

Right. So when you back all that up, it's hugely expensive. Let alone, you don't have the land, then you've got to build a treatment device. Where are you going to pump it to? Who are you serving? It's just unfortunate that we don't have a recycled water system in North Orange County. Santa Fe Springs was well ahead of the curve back in the day. They have their own system.

It's interesting you bring up Santa Fe Springs because part of my work senior year of college was working on some of these programs. I wouldn't have thought Santa Fe Springs would be cutting edge, but it was amazing. Separate note they also had EV cars before anybody else did right so thank you for that last thing do we have major polluters in the city that have been an issue where Hey, this is a whether it's industrial or whatever that's causing or has caused issues in the past So you've got the Legacy companies correct Hughes Raytheon They've obviously

Got a lot of pollutants, plumes that they put into the ground that are affecting the groundwater. Some of those companies, I think it's Raytheon, don't quote me on that, that actually is running, has been running for many years, a treatment device.

I believe they are.

They're sucking the water out, treating it, and then pumping it back into the storm drain system. It's a pretty lengthy pipe throughout the city that they're doing that.

Okay.

But it's legacy companies, not current.

Okay, last thing a member service are brought up about car washing and so on a lot of the new soaps are biodegradable Green per se not necessarily always, you know None, you know without any sort of negativity, but a lot of our corn plant-based And some were actually coconut which is interesting so those are supposed to be a lot better and I don't think that every soap is like that but I know a lot of like home use residential car wash soaps have definitely moved towards that. Thank you for that. Really appreciate it. Is that the end of the report.

That is the end of the presentation. We're going to receive a file. Receive and file public comments. Oh you're right. I'm not I don't know sure if anybody. Nope. All right.

We're just not very popular today.

Let us know if anyone jumps in.

Yeah. Mr. Chair, is it still okay to ask one more question? It just dawned on me. I heard that some cities, they dump their simple dechlorinated water at the likely hours in the morning from 7 p.m. to 7 a.m. And I always wondered, how would we know if we're dumping at that time if it's really dechlorinated? My question is, are we doing it here in Fullerton? I think people do it whenever they feel like it.

And quite honestly, from what I've seen in my neighborhood, around my neighborhood, the dumping of pool water takes 12 to 16 hours. So it's during the day and during the night. Constant flow down the gutter.

I'm sorry. So it's not mandated by the city as to what time they can do it anytime they want?

If I'm trying to remember, it's been a while. I don't believe so. Is there a reason you'd want a particular time period?

No, I was just wondering, Mr. Chairman, if they dump it at 3 hours in the morning, is it going to go there in spec if it's really dechlorinated?

I thought maybe there's a rationale that it might be better at certain times.

Okay inspectors could be around so comment I made to David and we could circle back maybe in next month's meeting is Whether there's any type of permit from the building division that requires for them to pull I don't know if that exists But we could definitely check see if that's the case because with the permit that means then We'll be aware of when it's happening so that the inspection could happen. We'll double check. I don't think there is, but we can definitely check in with our building division.

Yeah, the other thing too is, and I could be totally wrong, but just based on what I see, and there's a lot of people in our neighborhood, most people aren't draining them unless they're doing repairs. There's a major issue because it's so expensive. I mean, it's tremendously expensive. So I don't know if it's like a rampant issue that we're dealing with.

Okay, yeah, true.

All right. So that, unless there's any objection, receive and file and move on.

All right.

So let's move on to our next item. I'll be presenting on accessibility improvement projects and ADA improvement efforts. Thank you. So goal is to Paint a clear picture of what ADA means. Try my best. As it relates to public works projects, the approach we take to address the requirements. We've completed what's in construction and what's in the near future for projects. So I think before we get into what projects we've been doing, I think I want to start off with just definitions and defining what disability means. under ADA. So disability is, I think, much broader than just a person in a wheelchair. It's much more. So this includes hearing, vision, mental health, chronic illness, intellectual disabilities, the, um, WHO or world health organization breaks it breaks disability into impairments, activity limitations, um, participation restriction. So trying to keep that broader context, um, in mind reminds us that accessibility isn't about one group, but it's multiple groups. Um, so keep that in mind as we go through this presentation. Um, so let's take a look at what the law and what drives this work. Um, so the Americans with disabilities act ADA, um, is it's a civil rights law. Uh, first got passed in 1990 and amended in 2008. Um, this law is broken up into five separate titles. Um, whereas the city we focus on title two. Um, so that's the part that requires local governments to make sure facilities, streets, policies, programs, the day to day, uh, practices are accessible. Um, everything we're discussing today is tied to meeting title two requirements and responsibilities. So to meet title two requirements, uh, cities prepare and complete a self evaluation. and a, uh, prepare a trans transition plan. Um, so floor 10 updated, uh, hours from 2019 to 2022. Um, this included, this was broken out into four phases, um, public buildings and facilities, standalone parking lots and parking structures, city parks and citywide public or right away. Um, I will mention that for city public right away. Not every corner of public right-of-way was inspected, but rather the approach we took is to indicate how we'll be addressing items for ADA to become compliant in public right-of-way. We did hire a certified access specialist firm. This is Disability Access Consultants, DCA for short. They handled the assessments, obviously due to the scale of work and the detail required to put together the transition plan and the self-evaluation. So the goal was to identify what didn't meet current standards and map out how we can correct it. So the transition plan gives, ultimately we end up with a report. Um, which lays out all the items, uh, we need to upgrade or improve across the city throughout those different phases. Um, um, didn't just focus on public works and also spanned it into multiple departments. Um, because accessibility touches almost everything we do. So for instance, it has responsibilities related to website accessibility, um, even city clerk. which manages meeting notices and accessibility of meeting facilities, such as the one we're in today. So the key purpose of the transition plan is that it identifies what improvements are needed to be completed and to plan ahead. It's obviously unrealistic for any city to fix everything all at once. So no city can do that. Instead, the plan gives us a clear list of known issues and allows us to chip away at it over time, in a time frame. One of the projects that David created a while back was the Citywide ADA Improvement Project, which provides... Some money, I would say limited money, to try to address at least some of these upgrades consistently over the years. It's not the only project that addresses ADA, but that's a way of trying to chip away on some of this stuff. Um, so I think at the end of the day, it's, it's important that we don't ignore the list. Um, but we try to make steady, uh, regular year by year progress. So now let's dive into specific projects. Um, before we dive into specific projects, let's. Let's kind of talk about, uh, what we focus on, um, and I'll break it out into street right of way and then public facilities. Um, so for street right away, uh, we focus on repairing damaged sidewalk, constructing, uh, new ADA ramps as part of street projects. So whether ramps need to get upgraded or there's none and we need to install. Uh, we do it as part of our street projects. Um, we also try to address sidewalk gap closures, uh, and upgrading traffic signal push buttons. Um, we also have miscellaneous curb ramps, um, try to address curb ramps and focus in High pedestrian areas near schools, hospitals, commercial center locations. So back in 2024, I believe, NREC provided some feedback on what to focus on in street right-of-way. And I think in general... Multiple members wanted to make sure that the work gets spread out across all levels and that it just doesn't funnel into just street projects. But a lot of times it ends up being within street projects. As we're doing projects, we're addressing ADA. But we are looking at sidewalk gap closures. And as we move on, this presentation you'll see some of the work that we've done to try to hit all these levels so for facilities parts and parking lots our focus is to provide public access features such as accessible parking stalls path of travels building entrances the goal is to get them to the building So that's providing the ADA stalls path of travel. We also look to improve public amenities such as restrooms, drinking fountains, pathways at parks whenever we do a park project. We're looking at a bigger picture of what do we need to do to be compliant with ADA. We incorporate those improvements as part of the project. Um, so I think the key focus is, um, accessibility's improvements that directly impact the public for, for these types of projects. So here's, here's how public works, uh, implements these improvements across various projects types. You know, we talked about street rehab projects and we incorporate the missing curb ramps or damaged sidewalk throughout their projects. So street rehabs, except for slurry seal, this is where we address those improvements. Obviously concrete work is expensive and we've talked about that before, but these requirements, These upgrades are required. We are required to update and upgrade our ADA curb ramps to be compliant on these types of street projects. We also have our annual curb and gutter and sidewalk project to address damage or uplifted sidewalk. This is a citywide project where we put locations where either residents are aware of uplifted or damaged sidewalks. Occasionally we also do miscellaneous curb ramp as requested This is you know when they don't happen often, but it's when we have extra funding or Savings per se from other projects that we could try to fit these in as requested when funding is available traffic signal projects It's updating the countdown heads and the push buttons to be APS. So APS push buttons, if you ever see them, it's the one where they start taking, you know, and they say cross. What do we say in every city? Yeah, wait, or you can cross now or something like that. Yeah, so that's what an APS button is. So we're working through them as we're doing projects. Okay. So for dealing with buildings and facilities and parks, most of those projects go through our building division for permitting. So that means ADA upgrades are built in per default. So the review process includes checking for accessibility and building inspectors verifying that their improvements meet code and are built correctly. For parking lots and parking structure, very similar approach. Every time we do work in them, whether it's resurfacing, restriping, or even a much bigger improvement, we update ADA facilities. So we take a look, and that's confirming whether or not there's sufficient ADA stalls. There's a certain number of stalls that you're required to install ADA based on the number of total parking stalls you have. Updating signage. updating path of travels and parking lots. So let's talk about some of the most recently completed projects addressing ADA. We talked about just street projects in general, taking care of sidewalk and curb ramps. One project in specific, Commonwealth Avenue, This is between Chapman and Upwood. We did sidewalk repairs along with curb ramps installations. This was right next to Cal State Fullerton. New development coming in as well. So foot traffic was an increase. So that was one project that was completed last year. We also did a gap closure on Euclid between Bass and Cherry and Paseo Dorado. So those are the images that you see on your screen. The bottom one is the before and the top one is the after. So there was a gap in sidewalk between the tracks and Paseo Dorado. So that was completed as well. Also the airport, FEI building renovation, restrooms got renovated, ADA parking stalls, and path of travel to the building. Other recent projects that were completed, Lemon Valencia traffic signal modification. This is a project that is right next to Maple Elementary School. Um, where there was traffic signal modifications and we installed APS push buttons, curb ramps got, uh, upgraded, um, and, um, sidewalk repairs as well. Um, obviously right next to a school. Right. So, um, try to address these locations, um, union Pacific park. Um, um, we did repairs to sidewalks, extended sidewalks, made path to travel. curb ramp signage and 88 parking stalls. Similar with downtown Santa Fe parking lot. That included sidewalk repairs, curb ramp signage, 88 parking stalls, making sure we have sufficient and analyzing where we think is the best location for them. Some of those parking stalls, ADA ones, got shifted to a location where I think we think is a better location, creating a much safer, shorter distance to the facilities. So again, some of these locations, high volume, lots of pets walking. So just right next to it, the Fullerton Transportation Center, again, upgrades, um, to the building entrance doors, signage, parking stalls, and, um, um, path of travel, uh, upgrades. So in construction, um, we have, um, just right next to us, the library Osborne auditorium. Um, there's, we're creating, um, a stage, uh, accessible route to the stage. Um, I think previously for this project, there was, was there a temp? It was temporary ramp. Yeah, it was a temporary wrap. Now it's a permanent wrap. So now there's access to the, to the stage. Um, then you got some ongoing street projects, um, Raymond Avenue street rehab. That's another gap closure on the east side of it. So Raymond between the 91 to orange store on the east side, there was no sidewalk. So that's a gap closure that we're closing. So that's new, new sidewalk coming in, um, along with curb ramps. And then you got sunny Hills, twilight, less Palmis area, um, typical sidewalk repairs and adding ramps were required or upgrading them. So upcoming projects again, program street rehab projects will capture sidewalk repairs and new curb ramps, annual sidewalk, uh, curb and gutter sidewalk project, um, Right now Independence Gym is doing some improvements and further down the park renovation. So that they'll take care of site improvements. And just in general, citywide parking lots, upgrading signage. And whenever we are looking into doing improvements in a parking lot, we'll look at ADA part of it.

So with that, I'll just add a couple of things. So just. Mention our kind of a thought process when we do a couple of things. So just adding on when we do parks, especially play pits We build a ramp into the play pit so people can access in there All we provide tables that are a percentage of them are wheelchair accessible fountains we water fountains water fountains for sure and then where we lay out all our benches and We ensure that there's companion seating space for companion seating adjacent to the bench so that we don't put them too close together. And we're also providing paths of travel between back and forth. Um, so there's a lot of things that people don't necessarily, it's not obvious out of the site, um, that become part of a critical part of planning all these improvements. And then when it comes to our city parking lots, because especially our downtown parking lots, they don't serve a particular building or a location. So when we rehab the parking lots or we specifically go in to redo the ADA stalls, we actually spread them out to different points. So you'll count up the number of parking stalls. That tells you how many ADA stalls you have to have. And then we specifically move them. spread them out throughout the entire parking lot because someone might want to go to the Northeast building. Well, you don't want to have them park in the Southwest because that's a much further route for them to go. So we spread out so that we try to be as equitable as possible in the shortest distance for people who need to park. you'll see a lot of times in commercial sites, they focus for that particular building. We don't do that in our downtown because it's common parking for everybody in downtown. So that's how we deal with it there. Just FYI on why we do what we do.

Okay. All right. I'll start on my right this time.

Sir?

Sir? Thank you.

I'm talking about closing some of the sidewalk gaps. I found it funny, the picture of Euclid has a utility pole smack right dab in the middle of that.

And I've wondered this when, is it legal to ride my bike on the sidewalk?

Should I say that? Yeah. So I've noticed this while riding my bike at a high rate of speed, not an illegal rate of speed, but following the city council's directions. Is there enough room to move a wheelchair by this? Do you have to look at that and ensure that there's a minimum gap? Yes, you do.

So without no exceptions, your minimum width clear is four feet. However, when you have utilities like a utility pole, you can come down to, is it 32 inches?

Only if you have a right-of-way restriction.

Correct, yeah. So you could come down to 32 clear with if you have a right-of-way restriction.

And it's only for two-foot length. Yeah. So power pole, fire hydrant.

I'm trying to remember that specific location if we jogged around.

No, we jogged around all those poles.

Yeah.

To maintain that minimum clearance.

Yeah, to meet that minimum clearance.

Okay. The transition plan that was done over a few number of years, these requirements are changing over time, right? ADA is getting worse. I shouldn't say worse. The requirements are sometimes becoming more restrictive. How often do we need to look at that transition plan? Was that a one-time thing?

No, it isn't, and thank you. I forgot to add to that. No. Self-validation and transition plan is a living document. It needs to be addressed on a continual basis. The recommendation is to update it every three to five years. You don't necessarily have to do that as long as you're making progress on it. The key here is to make progress and not ignore it. I'm going to go off on a slight tangent back in the, you know, Basically, when we did this a couple of years before that, it was a big push from different agencies to all the cities. Hey, where's your 80 transition plan? And everyone's like, wait, what? No one had done any significant update in many years. So you see a lot of updates over the last few years. We now, I keep DAC on as a quote unquote retainer every year. And what I'm doing over the past couple of years is I have a monthly meeting with them and we're checking off the boxes of the items that we need to kind of address and keep up to date. A lot of it is a self-evaluation, which is the internal documents that we do. Do you have specific language in all your contracts? What language do you have or accommodations do you provide at meetings? Where's your written procedures for these things? So we're making sure we've got those current, up-to-date. If we're missing them, we're providing them. So that's kind of what we're focusing on right now. In addition to the transition plan, which is removing the barriers, which is going to be constant. It's like street improvements. It's never going to end. You just constantly doing it. And that's what one is now focusing on. Now, will we come back and do a major update again? I'm planning on it and we'll probably take one of the four sections that we did before buildings, parking lots, parks and go through. and have them re-evaluated to see where we stand but i know that we've addressed some of the issues already as part of our park projects that have come up so it's a catch-22 do we really knowing that we've checked check check on some of these items do we really want to have them go back out and evaluate it again i don't know but we should probably do it and probably in the next couple years i'll start thinking about up doing a significant update

It seems obvious that there is a list of projects and things that need to be addressed far larger than we're capable of doing. Yes. So making a risk-based approach to this, looking at the rewards from it, and being responsive to the public's requests. I think it can be kind of hard to know where you need to focus. But if somebody's saying, hi, I could benefit from this project, that's a good thing to pay attention to. So I think it does make sense to prioritize those projects, and maybe next time you're going to look at that plan, again, reprioritizing, making sure that we've appropriately placed things. My last question, I think it's kind of ironic to have this discussion with a presentation that is not ADA compliant. Is that within the website transition? Has that been thought about? The materials that we post for these meetings, for this committee in particular, making those ADA compliant.

I wish Lucinda hadn't left. She is working on all of that with IT. I think this is part of it the fact that we are council meeting everything's on Zoom and I believe there's translation or closed captioning on Zoom now that they provide that so definitely there are some new requirements that are coming into play they're not in play right now but they're coming and I know Lucinda and the city clerk's office is on top of that and handling that.

Very good thank you. You noted a lot of improvements to parks and curbs that You don't need to be using a wheelchair to benefit from anybody who's pushing anything with wheels does and when we make our facilities Inclusive to everybody then everybody benefits. Thank you

Do questions here what I think is kind of related first question is do we have an ADA certified personnel? That's doing nothing, but a day inspection Full-time.

No No, we do have in-house CASP Individuals in our building division but they're not solely dedicated with inspections for ADA, if that answers your question.

Right, so our CAS certified or in the building department, they do plan check. Our building inspectors, when they go out to obviously private developments, they will check the plans and get smart levels out and do random checks to ensure, but it's still up to the private property owner the contractor built it correctly same thing for us we have our inspectors to ensure they know the requirements but they're not CAASPP certified so they're out there with the curb ramps that check in the slopes to make sure they are formed correctly and built correctly sidewalk cross slopes etc etc but it's ultimately up to the property owner which for a park project is the city to ensure that things are built correctly

Why are we not hiring a CASP-certified personnel?

Because I don't know that I have a great answer to that question. I think it's multifaceted why we wouldn't have a CASP-certified person on a public works staff to do that. There's nothing to say we can't or we shouldn't. We just don't, I think, is the answer we'll have right now.

I'll take a stab at answering that. It's impossible to hire anybody, period. Adding that accreditation is even one more.

I think part of it is the transition plan helps us. We've hired a CAS certified to go and inspect our facilities and tell us what's in compliance and what isn't. And then we hire people to design it to meet compliance. We hire people to build it to compliance. And then we have oversight people who will check, knowing what the requirements are to check it.

Okay. Yeah, because I've seen several cities that has this position, and I was just wondering if we have one here in Fullerton.

So we don't. I know some of the bigger cities have the ADA coordinator whose sole job is to work with compliance and bring up to compliance, and they're likely CAF certified. The city doesn't have that. It is... I don't know if it's good or bad. We have an ADA coordinator, but that is not their sole job. That is just one part of their job.

And also, in identifying these problematic ADA structures, have we involved the public in identifying these things, or it's just the public works that are identifying all these things?

So the transition plan indicates all the physical barriers. So they went out and inspected all our facilities and indicated which ones don't meet current standards. Doesn't mean they don't meet standards. They just don't meet current standards. There's a big difference. Because if we haven't touched it and it was built in compliance with the previous requirements, it's still technically compliant until we touch it. So they're just indicating things that don't meet current compliance. So we know, as far as Public Works is concerned, what is not compliant from a physical standpoint. However, the self-evaluation part of this, the public was encouraged and requested to participate in the review of the analysis and the preparation of the self-evaluation.

I believe groups were sent out notifications about the transition self-evaluation.

Yeah, because, you know, Bullerton is a big city. And I do believe that no matter how diligent we are, we will be able to see everything. So it would be to our advantage if we involve the citizenry, just to identify these things.

No, we definitely get people requesting certain things. Most of them we're aware of. I mean, we're not aware of every single curb intersection, but we're aware, in general, people want curb ramps. Not necessarily because they have disability, because convenience, they would like them. Other times we get comments about wanting accessible stalls in certain locations. So I think most of the requests we get are more, I don't want to say convenience, but those are the type of requests rather than this is not in compliance. The people who tell us it's not in compliance are usually attorneys.

You do have groups that go out trying to fish for fishes and they will bring it I think now the law has changed where they don't just automatically get paid on it. They have to bring the issue forward, and the city has a chance to address those issues, much like the private sector.

And that's what we try to do. We've had some recent claims or pre-litigation, and we will go out there and address it as quickly as possible to minimize that. We do what we can when we can. We can't do everything when it's requested. Thank you.

So one of the questions brought up about the ADA compliance for the meetings, like our public meetings. I had to really think about it. I do remember hearing about it. I believe it's March or April of 2027 when we have They are moving towards it, but I know it takes a while. Especially with all the technology, and they've done some upgrades over the last year, two years. All of it with many snafus, if I'm not mistaken. So I believe it's March or April of 2027. We have to have those ADA compliance measures for public meetings. Unless there's any objections. You guys good with receiving file? Okay. Oh, wait. You know what? Public comments.

Really? Can we get people to attend? No, I'm just kidding.

All right, so with that being said, we'll receive and file and move on to item four.

All right. Let's get to everybody's favorite part of NREC. CAP. No. CAP and general infrastructure highlights. So I'll start off with projects and design and bidding phase. Not really a whole lot of changes from last month. Um, last month was a significant, uh, change because of the new projects that are coming in, um, for this fiscal year. Um, but I would like to highlight one project. Um, I think it's been on this list for, for a while, for too long, uh, which is project two, which is state college Boulevard. Um, this is a, um, a street rehab project on state college from. Yerba Linda all the way to the northern limits of the city. It's about 1.4 miles of a stretch. This is a two-inch granite overlay with concrete improvements addressing accessibility, repairs to curb and gutter, sidewalks, driveways. This project is partially funded. the grant that we received i think it was like what 1.2 1.1 million uh the rest is being supplemented by with local funds um so this we are anciently i would say anciently expecting the e76 or authorization from caltrans so that we can bid this out hopefully here soon and we'll start seeing some construction Sometime in September October This is the downside of federal funding Yeah, so so yeah Obviously, it's a good stretch of an arterial. I think it's much needed if you ever drive through it The street isn't I would say I need some love I would say For water Not much has changed. One project got moved to construction, but again, going through design for some of these water main projects. Here's where I'll give the most updates, which is projects that either have been awarded or in construction. So I think it's been a busy one, two months right now in the summer with construction, with either projects either wrapping up, completed, or about to start or have started. Um, so projects nine and 10 are pretty much wrapping up with minor improvements or punch list items remaining before they're considered complete, uh, projects four and five. These are both water main improvement projects. Um, they're ongoing and they're expected to be completed by mid. September the next month Projects 6 and 12 These are street rehab projects. They've kicked off construction earlier this month And are expected to wrap up within the next month or so And then projects 11 and 13 These are about to break ground expected next month so again Lots of construction, I would say. Some projects wrapping up, some starting or in construction. So for miscellaneous CIP projects, I'll highlight one from traffic. I think the one in construction, which is a harbor signal synchronization project. So this is a... This is a project that is currently in construction. It involves synchronizing signals from Arboleda Drive, which is in the city of La Habra, to the 91 freeway. So this covers about 6.4 miles and about 29 intersections. Fullerton is the lead agency with City of La Habra and Caltrans participating. This project includes upgrades to communications, traffic management centers, CCTV cameras, signal controllers, video detection. It's kind of more of a regional implementation or coordinating timing for the signals. From this list, anyone want to give an update on NDGEM?

Any Jim? Yes, we've awarded the contract working through paperwork contract paperwork and submittals to get them started Very hopeful this will be done by the end of the year which meets the deadline that parks and rec had requested So pretty happy there our generator project Hopefully the generator is supposed to be delivered by the end of the month Still waiting on a part to make it work, but the generator will be installed. I And then the building for library grants is wrapping up construction in the Osborne Auditorium. It's gone very well. Good contractor. The library staff are extremely happy. So I can't wait for that to get wrapped up.

All right. Thanks. I do want to highlight two of the most recent completed projects, street projects that we ended up completing over the summer. The first one is Baker Avenue from Lombard Drive to Highland. As you can see on your screen, those are the limits of the project. This was about 0.4 miles of residential roadway rehab. This was a four-inch grain and overlay. As we talked about earlier with ADA, we're including upgrading ADA ramps, curb and gutter, sidewalk repairs. Adjustments to sewer manholes So I think one of the keys to highlight here is The proximity to the school there was coordination with the school timing it Trying to get the project out in time so that they take advantage of the summer recess break I think Although we got it in that window this was one of the schools that we still had to coordinate with just because there was summer sessions in this area. I school was more than cooperative and when construction was going on and I think it was a successful project per se. This project had funding from general funds infrastructure And some sewer funds Project is complete. However, obviously is we're as we do project closeouts We're anticipating that the full total cost of this which includes design construction inspection Material is gonna come out to be about five five hundred and thirty K and It's less than half a mile of a roadway, but puts it in perspective of the cost, right? So, I mean, if you do a mile, you'll probably be closer to a million, right? So here's an overview picture of the project itself. This is looking easterly on Baker to this area here. This is the elementary school. So as you can see, roadway ramps updated. It gives you an image of what got completed, I would say. So another one I want to highlight is specific Wanda Lewis area. Um, this is another residential project, um, about the same mileage point four. This is a neighborhood, um, again, street rehab, another four inch grind and overlay. access ramp repairs to sidewalk driveways alley approaches this project also included an alley we typically don't do alleys but as this was a grant funded project and part of that application included the alley so so this was we essentially closed out this neighborhood and with Valencia not that long ago was reconstructed. This was an area that we took care of. This was also right next to the school. You have Pacific Drive Park and the school. So timing was also something we wanted to get dialed in when school wasn't in session. This had as mentioned grant funds, general funds and tour funds. Approximate cost for this as of right now total five eighty five K. So here's a image showing the neighborhood itself now completed. So. Shows a brand new street nice and black. So with that I'll just close it off with staffing engineering updates. Got word from HR that for the CIP division, decision to underfill with an associate and or a assistant engineer is going to be flown out within the next few weeks. So I'm trying to push for sooner, but work what we got. For that, if everything goes to plan, hopefully we see somebody a body in the beginning of the year. if it goes to plan. So it takes a while. So with that, I'll just wrap it up, open it up for any questions or comments.

Mr. Chair, this is just more like me thinking something. I know our roads and our streets are designed to carry these big trucks, but no matter how I think about it, they are the major contributors to the where and there of our infrastructure. I don't know if the city, our city is still, how much we're charging them, but for most cities that I know, they're charging transportation daily fee of $16 and for annual fee of $90. Probably it's about time that we should consider charging them more. Can you imagine just for $90, these big trucks, 18-wheelers are crisscrossing our city back and forth? I can just imagine how much wear and tear it is doing, how much stress is it putting in our infrastructure. So, and... it's just a thought and uh also uh i've heard about something about rubberized hot hot hot mix asphalt are we using that here um maybe i didn't hear it but i heard that it's more advantageous am i correct there's certain locations that it's beneficial to use rubberized uh asphalt typically used on

arterial streets. Um, it helps with, uh, the noise. Um, um, and also I think it provides, um, um, flexes more flexible, right? For the reflective cracking. So they don't come through. Um, so there are locations where we look at to use rubberized asphalt, for instance, uh, Harbor Chapman project, that's going to be rubber. Um, State College Boulevard, that's going to be rubber as well. In addition, we are receiving grants through Cal Recycle to use rubberized asphalt. It's not a whole lot of money, I think, in combination for both projects. We're getting like $160,000 or so between the both projects, but something, something. And so we are looking into rubber where we think it's applicable.

And we have used it on residential streets in the past. If we just do a thing, grind and overlay, I need to go back and look at those projects to see how advantageous it was for the city because It used to be a lot more expensive. The costs are a little more comparable to conventional asphalt now. But we would use it in residential neighborhoods as well. We just, our past projects, the section that we're putting down didn't make sense to use rubber.

Now, for example, one of the facility companies like Edison, they need to break one of our streets and it's rubberized. We do tell them that when you repay, but you need to use rubberized, right?

Right.

I just wanted to be sure. Thank you.

I want to say thank you for your coordination with the schools. I know I said this last month, but that communication with the principals and making sure that everybody in the community understands what's going on through their normal communication channels, really greatly appreciated for residents and families that use that school. Also very happy to hear about keeping the library staff and trustees happy. That's personally a happy thing for me. Maybe we can go to the construction ones. I think it's project number four. Same question as we typically have. So yeah, projects four and five. I know, I'm trying to put the maps together, right? So we've got pavement coming, or I think was out to bid on five, but Nothing on floor. So residents in neighborhoods like that that have seen water mains recently probably have this question in their mind, when's my pavement getting rehabilitated? And I don't know if we have a good answer for that, but I'm going to turn it over to you.

Yeah, so you're correct. Uh, project five, the Yucca area, um, water improvements. That's that was part of two phases of water main replacement. This is phase two. Um, it is a SP one program project for this fiscal year. So the pavement, um, it's, it's coming, um, um, for Coronado. That's not the case. That is not programmed for street rehab this fiscal year. What we look at is typically we're looking at a time frame of between a year to two years before we can get to the street rehab. if there are opportunities where we do have cost savings from projects that we've completed this is where we look at these types of projects obviously footprint is part of it how large of an area it is and what the cost would be so would we say that every project that's a water main replacement we have sufficient cost savings to do the street no that's not the case but We do look at opportunities in that aspect but typically the time frame that we're looking at currently is about a year to two years for street rehab.

Thank you. The water work looks good out there. I'm glad that that part is done and looking forward to the pavement following in one to two years. Are there any other areas I didn't mean to just call out Coronado but anything else that might be an area that we should be watching the residents or any concerns like this.

Let me see. Ada's, Puente Bernard. That's a while out, yeah. Yeah. Gargery area, maybe.

I mean, we're trying our best now to forewarn the residents that no, the street is not coming as part or directly after these projects. Okay.

But on a longer timeline, it is definitely something in your plan and being prioritized.

It's absolutely in our plan. We're doing a pretty good job of getting to be a year, maybe two years out. Can't always guarantee it. There may be some one couple years coming up or a year coming up when we have bigger projects on arterials that may eat up a chunk of money, so we can't do as many residential, but we're not ignoring them. We're trying to be as equitable as possible as well.

The other part, too, that if I could add on is sometimes the water main replacement projects are phased out as well. So a great example is the Yucca area. I mean, if you try to remember when the first phase happened, but we don't want to construct a roadway when we know what we have an upcoming second phase of the water main replacement. So we try to close out the area once the water main replacement phases are complete. So in essence, there may be cases like the Yucca area where you see maybe a span of three to four years before the street gets completed. That's just because of the water main replacement broken out into phases as well.

Appreciate your answers. It may not be the answer that everybody wants to hear, but thank you for being candid with me.

And even to add to David as well is when we give out our construction notices for upcoming projects on our flyers, we either say a street is going to be part of it or it's coming within year two. So this is a typical question that people ask.

Right. Okay. Just a quick one. The delayed crosswalks, I mean, it was for the previous topic, but the delayed crosswalks, meaning even though the lights may have still show red against oncoming traffic but they're still allowing the person to walk either ahead of light or after the light. Do we have those mostly implemented by now across the city. I think it is safer for pedestrians when they get that jump you know before traffic starts moving.

DIRECTOR DEWOLF I think that we've definitely implemented them on any modification or new signals we're doing as far as going back to making modifications on existing signals probably limited.

No, I'm about to go hide in the bathroom and make all in Okay with that unless there's any objections will receive and file move on to staff committee communication Committee members you can asking questions of clarification make brief announcements Make a brief report on your own activities and request staff to report back in a subsequent meeting Concerning any matter related to interact or take action to direct draft by staff place a matter of business on the future agenda Also staff may go ahead and communicate with the committee ask questions at this time

I see Vice Chair has a comment. And I suggest that we agendize the Pledge of Allegiance. I'm sorry to have jumped out of order today.

I did that several times and nobody ever said that.

Should we take a vote on it?

I don't think we need to take a vote on that. No I'm good with that.

I'm so glad it's gone on. Nobody else has staff or committee.

With the street sweeping I've noticed it's every other week or first Thursday When is that actually going into place? Because I was in a neighborhood, and it was on the second day of the month, and there was a parking enforcement vehicle following but not enforcing any parking.

So I'm not sure if all the signs for Thursday have been posted yet, and typically once we do that, there is a grace period or a warning period to let people know it has changed.

So if the parking enforcement is not in effect, is that something we're paying for for them to follow around the street sweeper but not actually do anything?

Well, there may be certain streets that they are not ticketing as of this moment, but there's going to be other areas that they will be enforcing.

So are you talking about what day, the street that you're talking about, what day is their street sweeping, excuse me? Thursday. So for Thursdays and Fridays. Is it a Thursday Friday. So correct me if I'm wrong but a lot of streets have now getting their new signage for alternate days so opposite street parking and sweeping. My understanding from what I read on the city Web site was Thursday's home was supposed to begin operating on July 26 Friday. July 3rd, excuse me July 2nd Friday will be July 3rd, but they're going to wait until all the signage is up before they start citing again also the way that the Ticket company because it's a company. It's not actually Fullerton PD makes money is they make it off every citation I think we may pay a base Like contract to them, but most of their money comes from the actual citations I think it's a 50-50 split.

That's a good point. The money is the services provided by the revenue from the tickets. Yeah. So if everyone paid attention, we wouldn't need it.

But good questions. We do have an agenda forecast for street sweeping next month. So I'm sure we could get into further details on what's been implemented and what's in place and what's coming up. But I think from staff, the only Communication I have to members and committee members is when you communicate with staff, use the NREC email because it does go to multiple individuals versus going individually to someone. It's just I think in case someone's not here, other individuals could get it. So the email is inrac at cityoffullerton.com. It's on the agenda. You could always copy me. It's fine. But just so that everybody gets it.

And that's the email you want the public to reach you at?

Yes.

They already do.

Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

So anything else, sir?

Nothing else.

Okay. So as you saw on the agenda forecast we've got revenue and funding part one street sweeping as well as the CIP general infrastructure highlights coming. We have a date for our next meeting. Yes it's going to be.

I'm trying to pull up the calendar. So on 21st September 21st. There we go.

September 21st. So the public that may or may not be listening please have your comments ready questions ready. But with that I'm going to go ahead and adjourn the meeting and see you guys next time. Awesome. Thank you.