City Commission - Regular Meeting

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Madame Mayor, it is 601 and we are live. Thank you very much, Madam Clerk. Good evening everyone and welcome to the regular city commission meeting of the city of Lakew Worth Beach City Commission, Tuesday, April 7th, 2026. Do we have the roll call, please? Mayor Betty Rush, here. Vice Mayor Sarah Maliga, present. Commissioner Christopher McVoy, here. Commissioner Mimi May, I'm present. Commissioner Anthony Seg, present. Okay. Uh, Vice Mayor Mle is going to do the uh invocation. I'm going to do the pitch.

Thank you. Um, and I want to say thank you to Commissioner May for allowing me this opportunity. I don't know if um, everybody has seen on the news, but we lost a colleague this past week to domestic violence, Coral Springs Vice Mayor Nancy Mate, who is also a member of my church. Um, and I'm not going to say too much because I'll get emotional, but I just want everyone who's listening to realize that as electeds, we put ourselves out here on the front line. And most of us do it not for titles, certainly not for the pay, um but also not because we desire to go to a higher office. Being up here as a selfless um I'm getting emotional. I just want to say that Nancy was amazing. She was a force to be reckoned with. She was kind. She was light. She was light in a very dark place. She broke a lot of barriers. and her and I shared a lot of conversations about government, God, and and church. And we lost a really bright shining star and a public servant. Um, and I just want us to pray and keep her family held close. They also lost her brother three months ago um to to unfortunate suicide. And we are people. We are humans up here and we do have feelings. Um, and this loss has hit close to a lot of us who serve. So, a moment of silence for Nancy. Thank you. Thank you.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Get my glasses out. Are there any additions, deletions, or reordering? Madame Lea. Um, Madame Mayor, I have a very early 4 a.m. fight tomorrow, and I'm just hoping that we can maybe do some time certain on some of these um topics so we can get through. Otherwise, I have a hard stop at 9:00 p.m. and I don't want to have to excuse myself. So, just wanted to be mindful. Yeah, that I I'm all for that. But when we do have some significant things to talk about. Um so let's just if we can all indulge and go as quickly as we can. Anybody else? Um I have a question.

Sure. Um uh Mr. Perry. Uh we and I talked yesterday at my 101 and we were going to get a little bit more information about some of these items. The itemized um did you get any more information about the Discovich? um itemized. I've asked her the same thing.

Commissioner, I spoke with uh leisure services. They had a a meeting with u with the company this afternoon and I think they provided the information in a PowerPoint presentation. They were not able to get me the information, the written information or the invoices that total exactly what we're being asked to approve tonight. But there will be online to try to answer our questions and and Okay. Hopefully. Yeah. I'm going to add to that, too. Well, hold on. So, I just So, if if we don't have all of the information, do we we can make a decision when we get to the item? Yep. Okay.

Yeah. I' I've had the same question. You know, what have we gotten? I I don't know that we're going to have enough information tonight, frankly, to go forward on that because it's a huge decision and I think that um I have some having some issues with it myself conceptually. I'm sure, you know, and I was reading, you know, the our contract with them. It's like they should have for us something like here's a book of what we've got. Here's what we did. Here's what we found out. What is all that stuff? And we've really gotten nothing from them. So that's Madam I don't know. Um the leisure service, do you have anything to add? Is there anything that you receive that you think that might answer those questions for the commission? But it would be so prior to

if not we can table it to the next meeting. Yeah. Hi, Tiana McKay, director of leisure services. We do not have a full breakdown, but like um city assistant city manager mentioned, they will be on tonight with a PowerPoint where they break down where they are in the process and what has happened by specific dates. So, they do have that prepared for you. Um that's so we can listen and then decide as a group. They'll be here to answer questions on that. Excellent. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Anything else? Okay. No, I don't have anything else. Anybody else? Mr. McBoy, we're sharing the light. Um, yeah, I Yes.

While some of the reason that the Ziskovich contract is in a different situation now relates to actions taken by the my colleagues um and the result of a recent election. So that I don't think can fairly be blamed on them. I do feel strongly that we should have had a list of what has been done and a list of what is proposed to be done clearly itemized well before the meeting so that we could look at that and figure out how we're going to move forward. I think that's what we just said.

So I would be in favor of tableabling both unfinished business B and the portion of I don't know whether we can do that. I'll need help from the attorney. But uh resolution 12 item C the portion that relates to paying them. Obviously we need to pay them for work done but we need a better understanding of what is what has and what hasn't.

Okay. Thank you. And as far as commissioner Mlea's vice migga's time thing tonight, if we can really I'm asking everyone on this DAS to really be concise and not um I she needs to be part of these important discussions. So, if we can really do a little bit um of our self-editing would be very helpful tonight. Okay. So, um we'll talk about that when we get there. So, we have no the agenda as it stands. Presentations a proclamation.

Oh. Oh, look at that. Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you. We're going to do the presentations now. Our first presentation is um I'm going to give this to Mr. McCoy about water and he's very interested in water. Um I'm sorry, Commissioner, before you begin, I just wanted to let you know that um Director Baker is online and you all had asked her for a presentation regarding water conservation. She does have that. So, Okay. Well, why doesn't she do that then? Right now.

Are you guys able to hear me? Yeah. All right. And let's try sharing screen. Jesus.

Oh, I I they're piled up on my desk. Excuse me. But we'll we can do this one first. it doesn't really matter.

This will be really really quick. Um just you know water conservation is very important especially with our current drought conditions. So um the statistics on the right are from drought.gov which is in collaboration with National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Um all of Palm Beach County is currently affected by drought conditions. So this is especially important. Our Lakew Worth Beach water supply is all groundwater. So we pull our groundwater from the Florida and surficial aquifers. When we are in drought conditions, there's reduced recharge because those aquifers do recharge from rainfall. The water table is lower. There's a larger cone of depression from our wells. And the contaminants in the groundwater that we're pumping up are more highly concentrated because they're less diluted with water volume in the aquifer. Um, I just added a diagram here to picture the cone of depression. When we're pumping the water out of those wells, that's how the water is pulling towards the pump in the aquafer. And that's what condition can worsen when we have droughts. For some tips and tricks, you know, indoor water conservation, um the majority of water usage in the home will occur in the bathroom. So, uh when you're brushing your teeth, encouraged to turn the tap off while you're brushing. um to take shorter showers, to make sure that your toilet is not leaking. Um and when you're doing laundry or loads of dishes in the dishwasher to make sure that you're running a full load every time so that it's not wasteful. Um and check your water meter, which uh hopefully if all

of our systems are running properly, we are able to monitor that for you.

Thank you. and outdoors. Um, obviously irrigation is a big one. So, we want to limit, you know, irrigating our lawns as much as possible. Plant native and Florida friendly landscaping and grass. Um, so that you don't have to overwater. Um, make sure that you don't have any, you know, automatic running nozzles or any type of free free flowing water at any time. Um, and the, you know, other, my husband does the lawn, so I'm not as familiar with these tips and tricks, but just to make sure that you're not cutting your grass too short, I guess, and um, to fertilize responsibly. And all of these little infographics were taken from the South Florida Water Management District. They have some great information. Um, so I will end this little quick presentation with just some additional resources. is again the South Florida Water Management District. Um the the Palm Beach County drought conditions and some additional information on water conservation from the American Waterworks Association.

Thank you. Thank you very much. Yeah, the graphics are great. Okay, Mr. Mc

Thank you. Whereas water is a basic and essential need of every living creature and is vital to the health, safety, environment, economy, and quality of life of Florida's residents. And whereas the state of Florida water management districts and the city of Lakeworth Beach are working together to increase awareness about the importance of water conservation. And whereas the city of Lakew Worth's Beach in the state of Florida has designated April, typically a dry month, typically the driest month of the year, when water demands are most acute, Florida's water conservation month, to educate citizens about how they can help save Florida's precious water resources. And whereas the city of Lakeworth Beach has always encouraged and supported water conservation through various educational programs and special events. And whereas every business, industry, school, and citizen can make a difference when it comes to conserving water by saving water and thus promoting a healthy economy and community. Now therefore, Betty Rash, mayor of the city of Lakew Worth Beach, Florida, by the virtue of the authority vested in her and on behalf of the city commission, do hereby proclaim April 2026 as water conservation month in the city of Lakeworth Beach, Florida, and encourage all citizens to help protect our precious resource by practicing water saving measures and becoming more aware of the need to save water. In witness thereof, she has set her hand and caused the seal of the city of Lakeworth Beach, Florida to be affixed the seventh day of April, 2026. And I would just add a little bit to that that the graphic is illustrational. The bright red and orange one. Even though we've had a lot of intense rain the last couple of days, it takes quite a bit. Yes, exactly. As Vice Mayor Mlega correctly states, we are way behind. It takes quite a bit of water to replenish that and get out of the drought condition. Thank you very much.

Oh, I know. It's amazing. Was all night long. Our lineman, I don't think so. Is anyone from the water department here? I don't think so.

Well, yeah, it'll it'll it'll find its way there. The linemen that are here, hey, the people that make this thing work all the time. Um, this is for you. Whereas the city of Lakew Worth Beach's electric utility system provides services to over 27,000 homes and businesses and must be maintained in operation 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year during periods of rain, cold, heat, thunderstorms and hurricanes. And whereas the national system of electric trans the national system of electric transmission lines is kept in a high state of readiness and reliability by over 120,000 dedicated and skilled men and women collectively known as electric linemen and who are essential and valued employees at all electric utilities across the country. And whereas electric linemen are a cohesive group who must work safely in hazardous conditions while maintaining and restoring electric service to our houses and our businesses and who have chosen a career in the electric utility industry and have achieved certification as linemen after a rigorous apprenticeship to per to perform a job that has been ranked as one of the most 10 dangerous jobs in the country. Let that sink in for a second. And whereas the linemen of our city of Lakew Worth Beach electric utility are dedicated and hardworking individuals who perform this work daily to ensure the safe and reliable delivery of electric energy to our homes and businesses. And where whereas it is most fitting and proper that the city of Lakeworth Beach observe this special day to recognize Lakew Worth Beach's hometown heroes, our electric utility linemen. So now therefore, I, Betty Rash, mayor of the city of Lakew Worth Beach, Florida, by virtue of the authority vested in me and on behalf of the city commission, do hereby proclaim April 18th, 2025 as Lineman Appreciation Day. In witness whereof, I have here to set my hand and cause the seal of the city of Lakew

Worth Beach, Florida to be affixed the 7th day of April, 2026. and from all of us up here with our heartfelt gratitude to the linemen who really when it's raining and the iguanas are dropping and freezing and they're out there doing it, it's it's on up on the top. Yeah, it's really remarkable. So, why don't you come up and let's get a picture. Thank you. Thank you. One more.

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Okay. Well, I'm going to read it. Um, okay. This is about our library week and we have such an active local library. I'm not going to put this aside. Whereas from young families stopping in for play and story time to students sketching out their next creative project to seniors seeking tech help and everyone in between, libraries help us connect the dots from one part of our journey to the next. And whereas libraries spark creativity, fuel imagination, and inspire lifelong lifelong learning, offering a space where individuals of all ages can explore new ideas and be drawn to new possibilities and serving as a vibrant community hub, connecting people with knowledge, technology, and resources while fostering civic engagement, critical thinking, and lifelong learning. And whereas libraries provide free and equitable access to books, digital tools, and innovative programming, ensuring that all individuals, regardless of background, have the support they need to learn, connect, and thrive. And whereas libraries, librarians, and library workers across the country are joining together to celebrate 2026 National Library Week under the theme, find your joy. And whereas libraries protect the right to read, the right to think, and the right to explore without censorship, standing as champions of intellectual freedom, and free expression. And whereas dedicated librarians and library workers provide welcoming spaces that inspire discovery, collaboration, and creativity for all. Now therefore, I, Betty Rash, mayor of the city of Lakew Worth Beach, Florida, by virtue of the authority vested in me, and on behalf of the city commission, encourage all residents to visit their library, explore its resources, and celebrate all the ways that the library draws us together as a community. I do hereby proclaim April 19th to the 25th, 2026 as National Library Week. In witness orof, I have set my hand and caused the seal of the city of Lakew Worth to be fixed

the seventh day of April, 2026. And we all anybody that lives in this city knows how remarkable Cindy our librarian is. The programs that they have for kids and for adults. Uh Billy Arte just happened. So I although you're not here library staff, we thank you from the bottom of our hearts and this will get sent over to be displayed with in the library. How appropriate. Yeah, we really Oh, perfect. Thank you. Thank you. They really Dan Library every Tuesday and she went in there and showed them pictures of how organized our library is and how easy it is to find things colorcoded. She's like, "You need to do this." Oh, sure. Christine loved that.

Yeah, I just got an email from her about something. Um, okay. Designation of appointments. Appointment of vice mayor and vice mayor prom. Um, do I have a uh madam? Miss Madame Malega. Um, I would like to um make a nomination for Vice Mayor for Commissioner May. Thank you. Do I have a second? Second. Okay. All in favor? I I I'm sorry. Who was the second? Uh, Mr. Miss Segridge. Um, hang on. Mr. Mey, did you vote? Um, no, I did not. Would you? You have to. Sure.

Yes. Okay. Thank you. You did vote. Oh, you didn't know. I mean, it feels weird to vote on yourself and I had no idea she vote mad and I had no idea she was going to do that. Well, that you're good. That's that sunshine. Congratulations. I was not expecting that. Thank you, now I'm looking. Okay. And even if you can't, it's still four to one or four to nothing up. I you it's Yeah. Okay. Because the pay is so good. That's really the reason. Uh now we need a vice mayor prom. Do I have a motion for that? Would someone like to make a motion for the vice mayor prom?

I'll make a motion for um Mr. Seich to be the vice mayor prom. Okay. Do I have a second? I can second that. Okay. All in favor? I I I Okay. Appointment of commissioners to various various organizations and boards. There are five and there are five of us. Um the trans Mr. McBoy has been on the TPA for transportation planning authority for a long time. Are you willing to continue to serve on that? I am. It's now called the Metropolitan Planning Organization, but it's the same organization. Do I have a motion for Mr. Mcoy to be on that? Motion for Mr. McBoy to continuing serving on the transportation planning authority as printed in backup or the MP. I will second the MO. All in favor? I I

um I've been involved with the League of Cities. I'm on the board of the Palm Beach County League of Cities and very active with it. I would love to keep serving. So, motion to approve. Motion to approve and Mr. Mcfoy. Second by uh Miss uh May. All in favor? Miss uh Mlega has been the CRA representative for quite some time. Are you willing to continue to serve on? I would be honored to. Okay. Do we have a motion? Motion for Mlego to be on the CRA. And uh do I have a second? Second. Okay. By Mr. McBoy. All in favor? I I uh the neighborhood association president's council, Miss uh May has been serving on that quite effectively, I think. Would you be willing to continue to serve as that?

As long as the president who is here continues to want me to. Well, nothing like putting him on the spot, right? Oh, Craig, if he doesn't want it, he'll say it. All right. Do I have a motion? Motion to keep Commissioner May as the NAPC liaison by Miss Mlea. Second by me. jacket by Mr. McCoy. All in favor? I. And last but not least, the education task force with Mr. with Mr. Segridge has been active in this past year. Do I have a mo would you be willing to continue? Um motion to keep Mr. Segri as the education task force leazison by Mr. by Miss Mlega. Second by McMoy.

Mcvoy. All in favor? I. Thank you. Well, that was very efficient. Okay, I have motion to adjourn. No, please. Nice try. Hey, maybe it didn't stick. You never know. Listen, I tried. Okay. Todd Townsen. We only have three. Okay. Todd Townsen followed by Charlotte. Charlotte Taylor followed by Oh, four. Peggy Fischer followed by Laji Smith. Laddyy Smith. Excuse me. Um, Todd. Hi.

Hello. Hi, Todd Townsen, 502 South J Street. Uh, just last week we had someone named Morgan Moore, aged 31, died on Lousern next to the Dollar General. She was on foot and was plowed into by a speeding car. Um, this tragedy could well have been avoided by using the traffic calming that I've outlined to you uh in pages that you received months ago. Uh, nobody's to blame here, but we should be looking at this stuff. I will be talking about this and more at the business of tourism presentation to be held at Compass very soon and you're all invited. Um, next thing concerning the parking garage, you have Wener downtown high-rise needing spaces set aside, though you will avoid stating that the two projects are a one project. The new people at the annex building will need 25 or 30 spaces. You have the CRA selling off the pocket park at first and K South uh for a fivestory building that advertises space in the garage. Um you know, do you have numbers for all of this? Your job was actually to expand parking for us. Um, and the CRA has this crazy shell game uh going on where they've accepted the onus of affordable housing for Wumoda um for a few units for 15 years for uh the Wiener high-rise building there um and then it changed to parking for electric cars and now it's straight up being sold off for a five-story building. So that that bums me out too. So back to the pool. You've got Erica expecting a pool built to be built by us next to 95. Then you've got the master plan phaua phaua planning the pool at the ball fields and in in an hour or so you've got Mr. Ziscovich coming to design the wrong pool at the beach. Um

you know and paid parking coming up. This is all just really getting outlandish. And with the last minute of my time, I would like to remind uh the people that came here uh to attack the Gulf Stream, not the hotel, but the actual Gulf Stream. We are in preparations to defend the actual Gulf Stream. And how dare these foreign companies approach a small city government to static the conveyor belt of life for the entire planet. We're waiting for you.

Thank you, Charlotte Taylor. I brought two photographs. One of 609 Lake Avenue. Name your name and address first.

Oh, sorry. Charlo Taylor, 69 Lake Avenue, Lakew Worth. I brought two photographs. This is the front of my building. I've owned it for 13 years. Okay. Uh these are some photographs that I had uh taken to show you signs in other buildings in Lakew Worth commercial establishments because this is the issue I want to address. Okay. So if you want to keep these, you're welcome to to look at them later. Um a reasonable Can you hear me? A reasonable sign policy is helpful. There are downtown businesses in Lakew Worth that are real assets to the community. A men's store, Mr. Charles, here over five years, where you can buy everything from socks and shoes to shirts and suits. A hair salon, Envy, in business here for 25 years. Serving the community by helping men and women take care of themselves. The pet store, Paws on the Avenue, the Valley High Store, where everyone can afford to buy a gift for friends or family. A stable business community is critical to a town's reputation. And yet the city government fails to appreciate downtown businesses. We believe uh which in the face of online competition continue to serve the community and to employ people. Mr. Charles has seven employees who might otherwise have to get social services or go on welfare. You're a business owner. Out of nowhere, you get a letter stating you are violating some regulation without providing any details on the violation or how to correct it. The first paragraph states you are in violation of something. No specifics. The second paragraph states the

punishment, which is the date and time you are to appear in the magistrate's court, and that the flat rate fee starts at over $400 and threats of $250 to $500 per day for this violation. You still don't know what the issue is. I brought the letter so you can look at that, too. The latest is about sign laws. all 24 pages of regulation. 24. And I'll be happy to show it to you. I have the sign in law. In the 13 years I've owned 609 Lake Avenue, no mention was ever made about any signage for tenants. People say Lakew Worth tricks people into paying fines. The sign violation letter came in November. Five months later, the city had failed to approve my two tenants sign applications. Our go-to contact, Yen, finally reassigned. Uh, finally resigned. I'm sorry. Finally resigned lightly from this time.

I I just have one more paragraph really quickly. 10 seconds. Okay. Well, he resigned in the if the mismanage if the if the city mismanages funds, downtown businesses should not be expected to make up for it. We have a heavy tax burden. We've got utilities. Thank you. We've got licenses. We've got inventory. But understanding, we need to understand the situation for downtown business. We are not. We don't really comment. I'm going to be talking about this at the end of the meeting under my comment.

Thank you. You want the pictures? I'm bringing that up under my commission comments. Okay. Up next is Peggy Fisher, followed by Latty Smith. Peggy Fisher, 508 North A Street. Um, your job, as you have stated as a group, is to provide direction and policy to the city manager. The city manager's job is to implement your direction and your policies. We've had a problem in this city with that process working for several years now. There's just no other way to say it. It has to be said. Um, the most important thing that I hear from people who come to my neighborhood meetings or who I just run into on the street is the crash throughout our city and if we have a code department that does not go out when they drive by piles of trash and do anything about it, then they are not serving the residents of this city and I'm tired of saying it. I'm tired of coming here and saying it to you. Um, unfortunately, I think you all let a situation go on for far too long in terms of putting in an interim city manager who said, "I'm going to do part of the job, not all of the job." Even though the contract said, "Do all of the job of the city manager." That means everything. That doesn't mean selectively decide what to do. For two and a half years, we have had

buildings that have been modular buildings that have been paid for and are sitting. It wouldn't be acceptable for Mr. Liberty to buy a new car or a new truck for the electric utilities and let it sit for two and a half years and not use it. That would be a waste of taxpayer money. That would not be fiscally responsible. That's what we have. And we've got to address those issues before we get into a lot of these other minutia issues of signs and windows, dinosaurs on the top of a building that have been there for a long time, a horse that's been there for a long time. We need to deal with the things that are impacting our residents day in and day out and that is not being done. And I've heard don't get into the uh micromanaging. Well, if nobody's managing, you got to get into micromanaging because ultimately if uh falls on all of you. When was there a review of our law firm? I haven't ever sat through one. When in the last two and a half years has been has there been a review of the interim city manager?

Haven't heard it. Thank you, Glad Smith.

Hello. How's everybody doing? Real well. It's been a long time. Thank you. Name and address. Okay. Latty Smith, 1733rd Avenue North, Lakew Worth. Hey, I'm here on the behalf of the um unfortunately the UN. Do you hear me now? Yes. You hear me?

Oh, okay. Sorry. Um I'm I'm here on the behalf of the homeless people in the city of Lake Worth here. Uh we making a lot of progress. Um we had a little unfortunate happen last month. about a box that had towels in it. I brought it to the people attention, but nobody got back with me on the results of that. And I told them once they get the box, the towels, give it to Lasso, Officer Lasso, and just drop it down to common grounds. So, so that's that that's the issue we need to get taken care of. And also there was a homeless man walking across the park and the sheriff came and talked to the guy a little bit but he was pushing a a shopping cart or older gentleman. They took it away. He was and they drove off. He was holding on on the side of the truck trying to get his belongings inside of it. So I'm bringing that to your attention too also. And there are some um some disturbing thing that the officers are doing taking people uh property not not doing inventory list of their property and so that's need to be addressed also. Okay. And um the organization that I work with is Grace. Uh we are here to assist any way with the homeless people to get them housing uh work boots, clothes, um whatever they need. And we have been putting them up in in housing instead of going through the county. It takes so long with the county. So we go through the real estate office, see what the rental is, see what

they can afford. A lot of them don't get but 700 800 bucks a month. Now, if you want the people off the street, you got to provide housing. So, you need to come up with a plan with all the organization in the community. So, that's what we've been doing with all the community according with um Randy and the Common Grounds. Okay. So we trying to stop uh from them asking for money in the public right

they got a place so we send them to HUD recovery down here on concern they've been a part of it too and the common grounds so therefore that's working so we done we made progress can you give us the phone number to get in touch with Grace uh yes um 561 y 215 3897 and that's um that's my my phone number. Okay. And uh I'm the CEO of that. Okay. Thank you very much for what you do. Okay. Thank you.

Um Madame Mayor. Yes. Before we move forward, we missed uh appointing some alternates for the TPA. Oh, okay. So, um I did not want to miss that. Yes. For the TPA, uh would if Madame Vice May willing to continue? Yeah, it's two alternates for the TPA and then a an alternate for the League of Cities. Everybody else is fine. Okay. Thank you. Two alternates. Yeah, there's two alternates for the TPA or whatever the new name is. I apologize. The new one. Um, have you been the um, No, Commissioner May.

I was doing the, but I mean Chris has never missed it, so I've actually never gone. But I would I mean I I could continue unless Anony's interested. Well, we need to I mean, yeah, I have no problem continuing that other the other alternative. Okay. So, can I have a motion in that? A motion to approve Commissioner May as the alternate and Vice Mayor May as the alternate and Commissioner Segri as the second alternate. Do I have a second? Second. All in favor? I uh League of Cities. I know Miss Malik, I think you've been my backup and I would appreciate if you would continue to serve in that. Is there a motion?

Motion to continue with Miss Mala. Second by Mr. Mcpoy. All in favor? I. Thank you very much. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Not a problem. Okay. Consent agenda. Do I have a motion? Motion to approve the consent agenda. Do I have a second? Second. All in favor? I. Thank you very much. Okay. Now, unfinished business. The first one is the purchase or the purchase order for the Brian Park fitness port. This is cons uh unfinished business. A motion to approve. Um second for conversation. I have a couple questions.

Yeah. Um, madame clerk, do you have any public comment on this one on the equipment? I do not, Madame Mayor. Okay. Um, okay. I, you know, I think we're all in favor. I think we, from my perspective, we just have some questions about the placement. Okay. Um, thank you. Yep. Um, you know, how is it in terms of sight lines and things like that? We don't necessarily need to decide that, but I just want to cons just the agreement that we hadn't really hi there. Here they are. Here's our staff. That we had taken into consideration some of the comments that we've gotten about it. Sure. Chat with us, Mr.

Uh good evening. Uh Stuart Source is director of leader services. Uh madame mayor, vice mayor, uh commissioners, the uh we come to you for approval of purchase order as detailed in the staff report. The total all-in price is $200,000, $170,000 for the end item, Bryant Park Fitness Court. Uh we've gone through that detailed description. And then the the installation is $30,000. So the PO as you'll see is $170,000 leaving a residual of $30,000 which that money would be used for the installation of of the equipment. You will see on the very last item here and it's going to be in a budget amendment later. Uh there was a planning assumption that was made uh with leader services and public works that the concrete work could be done in house as we actually received the specs from the national fitness campaign. Uh staff made the assessment that it could not be done in house. Hence the budget amendment that will be later. So the total all-in price will be $245,000.

In terms of the placement I heard, Madame Mayor, you asked that question. Initially, this was going to be in the footprint of the current uh fitness uh court that's there in Mid Bryant Park. Some would say South Bryant, just south of Third Avenue. Uh we have placed this, I would call it Second and a half avenue south. used to be on the third avenue south, but because of the natural tree canopy that's more robust uh on Second Avenue South, some call it the rock formation area, that is where the playground would be or excuse me, the playground, the fitness court will be placed. Would it be

Excuse me. Um, let me just have a question. Will it block because Third Avenue South is one of the entrances to the park, you know, so will that view be destroy be destroyed? No, it will not. It's It's shifting approximately, I would say, 100 meters north of of Third Avenue. Okay. Uh, Miss May, that that's kind of my question, too. So, the there's a there's a wall, right? OB because they're going to have somebody design the back side of the wall. The wall's 8 feet tall by 38 feet by 38 feet. And it's is it positioned perpendicular to the

post? the high side of the wall was going to be uh pretty much paralleling that improved surface. The paved road uh the utility road that's there is where we would align it. It really creates this big wall. Let's see. That's I'm a little concerned about the wall. I would if you did it perpendicular to the inter coastal then you're only looking at whatever the width of the wall is as opposed to the height and the length. Um I don't know. I I would like before we approve to put this in there. I really want to see exactly where it's going to be and what it's going to block because honestly more important than a fitness park is the view to me. And what's the the I mean I want people to be healthy but

I also Yeah. Well there's some concerns it's going to be this monolith in the park. What are the what's the slab dimension? 38 by 38 38 by 38. So that's not that big. Yeah. I just want to see like the where if you could have like a picture are we going to get the final approval of where to put it. Well that that was briefed when we put design so I had brought it up previously but I was supposed to bring that's where we are getting phone calls and we are getting we don't want this big giant wall to block the view. So let's just to just to ease our minds as well as and more importantly the residents minds. Okay. That'd be great. Thank you. Anything else Mr. Boy? uh if if we can agree on that. But

Okay. Thank you, Miss Mara. U my question is on the on the numbers. So I see that we got a $30,000 national grant funding award on the invoice. Yes. So they gave it to us, but they're taking it away for installation. No, they the way that they do their their their business model is they just provide the end item. So like all ed pricing would have been $200,000 but with our public private partnership that we you know applied for in the process it was aligned to us in February and then we we shifted it because we came back with a conceptual in March and then now it's aligned in April. So we would have to go back them and ask them to align that $30,000 uh dollars for May.

Well because I'm looking at 170 on their invoice for their quote but on the backup justification it shows that we're 70 for fitness end items and three 30,000 for the install. So that's them installing the equipment. They they have a preferred vendor list for all the states that they work with and then they will give us that and we'll reach out to them. We've already contacted them just to confirm we can install in house.

No, it's too it's too technical and even with a lot of our I'm not going to say a lot of all of our playground equipment we use a professional installation vendor. I just think that $30,000 grant and then 30,000 rins I call it in and out just to make the numbers look good. So our end number is still 245 after concrete even with the 30,000. So it would have been 275. Correct. Thank you. We don't want our staff to be done have like where are these extra pieces supposed to go? Well that and with insurance you have to have it installed by a proper installation company I'm sure.

All right. So we have a motion and a second for discuss. Mr. Sorry, Mr. Uh, thank you, Madam Mayor. Um, Commissioner Mle's question just caused it to pop into my head, and I apologize for for not asking it earlier. The National Fitness Campaign, is that a government agency? Is this a government program? It's a it's a private entity. So, their quote grant funding just by hearing you explain it just seems like a clever sales pitch. So, um

listen, did we get the grant? Are we getting the grant? Well, we have spoken with their director of operations on numerous like conference calls and they have a grant committee. whomever is in their purchase queue based off the money they have in their grant pool which we don't have visibility on they apply it to those that are in essentially the purchase purchasing queue we we've and that'll go into the installation how does the same thing they I mean years ago they used to do an in-n-out like that or kaboom whatever it's called they used to do the same type of right of writing into a playground

yeah I know it just doesn't seem like it's an actual grant it seems like it's just to to make it seem more palatable. That's how they word it. If these were if this wasn't a purely private entity and the grant was coming from some government health sponsored entity, it would seem a little less salesy to me. Um my concern is that we currently have several fitness areas um throughout the city and not one of them is properly m maintained. Um, I understand that this one is mostly concrete and probably easier to maintain, but I would point to our concrete garbage cans which are going to hell. Our garbage cans in Bryant Park which haven't been maintained. The sales covering the existing fitness equipment in Bryant Park is falling apart.

Not forever

maintained. The brand new playground equipment um on the beach was not ordered to my knowledge with the marine kit installed on it. So, it's non-marine grade and that is already rusting. The sails at the beach are rusting and falling off. I am very hesitant at this point to put more money into something like this when we have not demonstrated we can maintain what we have. Um, I am all for having fitness amenities for for everybody, but you know, we had Tropical Ridge Park completely destroyed um and not maintained. Um, right now I'm not confident that we are doing we have an actual maintenance plan for the equipment we have to spend $245,000 more. At this point, I'm not comfortable doing that until we can demonstrate that we can maintain what we have. And as this isn't a kind of true grant coming from some government agency, I don't see any urgency in in pushing this forward. Um I I think we really need to analyze and make sure that we have a maintenance plan in place for existing equipment and show that we can maintain it before I would consider spending 250,000.

Thank you. Uh Mr. Mcpo and I mean the playground equipment the exercise equipment in south end of Brian Park has been there for a really long time. Yeah. Um I do recognize what you're saying commissioner. Um and I would like to note that some of the aging infrastructure that was purchased before this current staff we now whenever we do order playground equipment we do um pay for the extra coating on them. So future the equipment that we've been purchasing as of recent does have that protective layer, but I do understand what you're saying about a maintenance plan.

But but even even the brand new children's playground at the beach doesn't have it. I I understand the new Bryant Park will and and South Bomb Park did and and and so on and we're moving in that direction. I just really No, we did not. But we are replacing that we're putting a new stainless steel um wire on the new sun on the sun shade. So we are making repairs to it actively. Um we did not but going forward we have been. That's all been there for quite some time. Mr. Mcr.

Um and do note which I think you probably know that there are multiple grades of stainless steel. There are some that are I think probably both of you aware of that. Um stainless doesn't hold up. Not all stainless holds up. Salt water is pretty nasty. Um I I share some of the concerns that Commissioner Seg has expressed. Um one of the things that I may have mentioned in the past and at one point took a whole series of pictures of them is the uh fitness trail in John Pitts Park, which is extremely lowkey. It's maybe a couple of uh pressuret treated 4x4s with another piece of wood over it or a galvanized bar across it. It's very minimal infrastructure, but it allows quite a bit of exercise. It probably is extremely treat cheap to buy in the first place and pretty easy to maintain. If you want to swap out a piece of PT, you can do that pretty easily. Um, I would be a lot more comfortable. I I mean I support Commissioner Segri's concern that before we take on another whole chunk, why don't we deal with the stuff that we have and maybe consider I I know that this is a very shiny, fancy blah blah blah so on, but I would consider having staff go have a look at the equipment in Jonathan. I think I've mentioned it to you before, um, Miss McCay. Um, and see whether that might not be both visually and economically or financially a reasonable alternative in Bryant Park. It'd be a lot less visually invasive on it. A lot more consistent with the idea

of a passive mostly natural area. It would provide a lot of fitness opportunities, probably about the same as bunch of concrete. Uh you don't fall on the concrete because it has mulch as a base for it or grass either way. Um so there's probably less liability with it and it certainly would be cheaper. So um I I too am not really comfortable going forward with this.

Thank you. Um, we all voted to do this and if we're going to start secondguessing everything we do, we're never going to get anything done. I just have to say that. Um, I don't know what the vote was, but it was voted to go forward with this. So, that's all I have to say. Miss uh, May. Um, I just wanted to um ask the question about the maintenance. I'm assuming you guys are thinking about this that he's not just coming up with something you haven't thought of. So, do you have can you just kind of talk a little bit about the plan?

Sure. Uh Stuart Zord, assistant director. The uh just as a followup uh on a couple things. Uh we were planning to come back on April 21st with the artist renderings. We do have 28 uh submissions from local artists. So, we could bring this back as a followup on the 21st. And I can bring the geometric layout, even bring any any of the electives or commissioner sage down there since in his district and actually walk the ground and look at the lines in terms of which we lay it out because I do agree we want to get it right once we set the slab. It's kind of hard to make any adjustments so we can bring that back on the 21st. In terms of the maintenance, this is kind of like a in progress lesson learned from staff previous to us where they were trying to do some, you know, some wise fiscal, you know, decisions and they didn't get the the marine grade stainless steel metal quality 304 316 based off which one you're going to utilize. So, moving forward with all the playgrounds we're utilizing, South Palm, the one that should be delivered uh end of this month for South Bryant, which we've approved, and this does have that hardware. in terms of this

and tropical ridge and tropical ridge. Okay, good. And this this one of the uh purposes functions of this fitness court here is it doesn't have a lot of moving pieces. So if you look at tropical ridge, if we go down there to what's in Bryant Park right now, there's a lot of like motion pieces that essentially are pivot points. So they're getting a lot of friction and and obviously like the metal gets degraded because it's not the marine package, right? So this doesn't have moving pieces. It's all fixed. So that should in terms of being a maintenance requirement or lubrication stuff like that reduce that. But to commissioner secretary's point like moving forward like everything is marine marine grade. Some say the ocean front package stainless steel. Okay. I'm comfortable then.

Great. Um do you have any public comments madam clerk? I do not. Okay great. Thank you. Um all in favor oh. Oh sorry Mr. Se you. Yeah. Uh, just to address, keep an eye on the time, too. It's almost 7 o'clock.

Just to address your comments, Madame Mayor, just because we've made a decision does not mean that new information comes up. It's an absolute asinine thing to say that because we voted one way one day that new information wouldn't make someone want to change their mind. And I've heard it from you now three times on different subjects. And it's insulting. I'm not saying this isn't a good idea. I'm saying given the fact that we are having maintenance issues on all of our other playground equipment and exercise equipment, maybe we should take a pause. Also, given that we have the uncertainty of what's going to happen with the property tax legislation, maybe expending $250,000 today when we could pause it after that legislation's finally put to bed or enacted might be a wise choice. It's not that nothing will get done. It's that maybe new information comes up. Maybe public comment or interaction with our constituents helps change our minds and we have to be open to that. It's very dismissive to say that just because we decided on it, this is the way it has to be.

I'm just going to respond. There was no new information on this item that came up. We have addressed the concerns that the citizens have brought up. So, um maybe maybe you didn't speak to people, but I spoke to a number of people. Okay. We have to we have to discuss calling the what? All right. Thank you. Um we uh we have to we have to vote on calling the question. Second by Mr. Segridge. All in favor of calling the question. I now on the original motion to approve was who made the motion and Miss May seconded it? Correct. Okay. So, all in favor of that motion. I n

Thank you. I didn't vote. We didn't vote. No. Um I'm going to vote no on that, but I am going to make another motion. Okay. I'm going to go with what you just said, Stuart, which was when you were going to come back on the 21st with the I I I want to go down to the park. I want to go do the walk and I I will do that at your convenience. Um, and I do want to know because it sounds to me that what the plan is is to slowly start to replace the decre decaying equipment as we go. Is that kind of true? Is it is this for the existing Bryant fitness?

Just with all of the all of the things we're talking about, anything that is decaying, we're trying to either bring it up to safety standards or replace it. Correct. And we uh have that in budget. and Chris Hannah, the park superintendent who is nally accredited to do that is is working on that, right? And so what I would like to make a motion is that we table this until April 21st when we can do that and come back and we can meet with anybody we we want to meet with and come back and and vote on it again. Is there by Miss Motion by Miss May, second by Miss Mlea, Mr. McCoy, your lights on?

Yeah, I just wanted to call our attention. I don't remember where I saw it, but I do recall seeing an offer from Mr. Craig Fost to help with repairs on the South Brandt Park existing fitness. I believe with some welding, I believe with some sail things. I believe he has some of the technical wherewithal to do some of that. I thought that was a very generous offer and one that we should be very open to. Not everything has to be through a purchase order. It can be through some of the expertise that we have in town, too. So, I just like to draw that to all of our attention. Thank you. So all in favor the new I

it's unanimous. Thank you very much. Going on to B. Please come to the chamber. And I have some comments I'd like to start with. Awesome. Um before you start, Madame Mayor, we do have some people, some individuals from Ziscovich online. Okay. They're on Zoom.

Thank you very much. Um I'm going to just take my privilege to start with this. I think my feeling about this is we start talking about the beginning of the I don't know what we've gotten in terms of what's happened. You know, we have really not any updates from uh and we had put them on hold. As I look through the agenda item and I look through what phase one of the three phases would be, it seems like if they've gotten the information for phase one that they can present to us, here's what, you know, and it's really like it's it's an assessment. Um, you know, I don't know that we need, you know, and then it went into design and things like that. So, my feeling is I, you know, see what they've gotten and I'm a little surprised that we don't have something tonight to a product from them. Not from them. But my my feeling and my um d my own personal direction would be to um I think we can take it from here in in terms of the beach pro the beach um properties. So that's just my initial thing. So do you want do we have a presentation or how are we going to do this?

Madame Mayor Steuart sources and director of leader services. I'm going to speak to this because I was pretty much the staff lead uh while uh director McKay was out on maternity leave. So, I'll kind of be the lead here. We do have some reps from Ziscovich and I'll turn over them here shortly. They do have a presentation essentially in progress uh update as to what they have done uh moving forward. They were pretty much uh off of the start line for about 100 days and then February 3rd we received a pause until until post referendum on March 10th. Uh so we paused them. They did still execute uh their data collection at Street Painting because they had already done a legal review of that and that was kind of already submitted prior to the pause order. So with uh permission from uh the city manager they went ahead and executed that for data collection. Uh in terms of the five tasks that they have they were heavily uh immersed in task one and two pretty much a parallel effort in task two. Task two is essentially uh the community outreach engagement portion which they have put together a very first class website that was hyperl through our website in terms of data collection just status where it's at feedback mechanism stuff like that. Uh and in terms of an an assessment, just a bottom line up front, they've completed approximately about 30% of of the work. Uh I will turn it over uh on the on the call here, we've got Miss Merrill, I believe, Miss Grace and uh Lesie, all senior project managers and very senior executives with Discovich. So Miss Merrill or uh Grace, I'll turn it over to you. And your presentation is displaying.

Hang on. So you're saying 30% of phase one of the of the totality. Okay. And um Okay. Phase one because there's tasks under the phases. Yeah. Right. And we can add some clarity to that for you. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you uh commission, mayor, city manager, and staff for having us this evening. What I wanted to give you an opportunity of an update. Um Stu, if you could slip to the next slide as to where we um stand with the progress.

Um want to remind everyone that the purpose of us being part of this process is to create a long-term strategy for implementation for future uh development and um improvements at the beach municipal complex. Meet community needs, create financial sustainability, and protect your coastal asset. And then to also ensure community-based solutions through stakeholder engagement. We're going to do this and have been doing this with collaboration, transparency, and engagement. And that will be how we would like to continue. Next slide, please. You all have seen this um timeline structure before. We do have three tasks. You see kind of the aqua little subbox boxes. Um we are about 60% of the way through task one. Um, and we are 20%, let me pull my notes just real fast. Sorry. 65% through task one and about 20% through task two as far as the work that we accomplished till we were asked to pause. Um, task one was uh to take plus or minus 3 months, task two was to take plus or minus 2 months and task three will take plus or minus four months in the process. So we um were moving along nicely until we were asked to take a break. Um, next slide please. What we accomplished in that timeline um was basically we uh collected a lot of information from both uh city staff, the building department um past reports, data information, onboarded our teammates uh as far as our consultants. It is us um meaning Cisco TLC engineering who is doing structural and MEP evaluations of the existing structures. Kimley Horn who did traffic, environmental, civil engineering and landscape architecture as part of their process. So during the months of November to January, we made site visits

and that's what you see on the three columns to the right. Architecturally, we were out there December 4th through the 5th with four team members um out there on site analyzing the information we provided to make sure that what we got um now currently matches. It doesn't in every situation. So, we needed to document that. We also were evaluating condition um and taking a look at how things stand as far as uh life safety, as far as ADA compliance, as far as condition. Um, we took hundreds and hundreds of documents, um, and brought those to light and also created new base files that give you an accurate look at what you're working with and how each space is laid out so that we can use that as a tool for our our documentation. Uh, moving forward and also as a tool for our report. Um, also subsequent to us visiting the site, our engineers from TLC were there on two different occasions. on December 9th, um they asked if they could come back on January 22nd to uh double check a few things. Um so they were out there looking at the MEP and the fire protection infrastructure and the structural conditions. Then on January 21st, Kimley Horn's team went out and took a look at the environmental traffic, civic engineering, and landscape architecture. This is, you know, multiple crews of multiple design uh and engineering professionals that have visited the site. Next slide, please. In tandem with this was our pre-outreach activities that were done related to how do we communicate with the community? How do we get the message out? What is and crafting the message and getting the um stakeholder list development um the plan in place the website and working with your IT staff and your um leisure leisure services staff and making sure that we got it accomplished. We did established a primary hub. Um we have

ongoing public access, ways to do Q&A sections. All that is pretty much ready to go. There's the website that you can see where folks can go. It is uh not currently fully live, but the site's there and ready to go as it's with the stakeholder survey ready to roll. Um but we haven't we were asked to pause. Next slide, please. On January 30th, we uh at Cisco kind of wrapped up our first draft of the conditions report. Um simultaneously, we got the reports from our uh TLC for the mechanical, electrical, plumbing, and fire protection and structural. On February 3rd, we were asked to take a pause. Um, knowing that a lot of the leg work had been done and those reports were moments away, we did allow the environmental traffic and civil engineers uh to turn in their proposals literally, you know, over a weekend um and get those in so that we had that kind of stopping point and we could wait. What we have not done yet is take all of that collateral information uh put it in a nicely clean package that's really explanatory so that you guys will understand exactly what the existing conditions are um and make uh some recommendations of what really needs to be um looked at assessed accomplished and and taken care of. So at the end of the day there will be a list of here's what we see here's what we recommend so that you all can then make uh informed decisions. Next slide please. The only other thing that we've done since that February 3rd date is we were asked to continue to go out to the street painting festival. Um and we we did was attend both days. Um, we were there to make sure that we could start the public outreach conversation and hear for ourselves firsthand input on

it. We had surveys available for folks to do either live or through a QR code so that we could gain the wisdom of this kind of once in a year opportunity uh for us to have some facetime with the community. And at that point then we have been waiting for uh direction. Next slide. And that's that's where we stand. Um we are basically we need to package everything together. Um but we have been um kind of in a standstill since almost now just over two months. Um and we're looking forward to hearing uh the next steps that you would like us to achieve.

Thank you. Um I see a lot of lights on. I don't know who Oh, Mr. Mort. Okay. But please again it's we've got a hard let's try to be as efficient as we can everyone. Um let's do a five minute time. Madam clerk can you do five minute if we don't just to see how it goes. I can madam mayor.

Thank you. I I understand that a given commissioner or vice mayor or whatever may have travel plans and whatnot, but that should not govern how we make decisions here and what information we entertain. That's not appropriate. I had to bust my butt to get back here. We make arrangements. Um that's just Iett talk about that. I'm I'm not happy not comfortable with you know somebody's schedule dictating how the whole five and then we'll see how it goes.

All right. So um I noticed in one of the early slides here well first let me state one thing. I don't think we should really be making any decisions about this on in any form without a simple list that's provided us with plenty of time to look it over. A list that kind of lists not not a PowerPoint presentation, just a power a spreadsheet list of what things have been done in some reasonable size chunks and what are proposed and where you know check off the ones that have been done and what those that are proposed to to I think we asked for that earlier in the earlier. Madam Mayor, can you please not interrupt? Thank you.

I'm just saying we've asked for that. That's all.

Can you please not interrupt? Thank you. Um I heard saw in one of the slides. So I I really think we are not in a position to make much decisions on this. Um I do have a concern one of the early slides in the presentation which we was not in the backup. we have not seen before. Um mentioned something about community input. We have had extremely clear community input on March 10th. Almost no elections happen 80 20%. This community made it very clear that this is a public park. Don't mess with it. I believe that jives quite well with what I think was the director of Ziscovich said to us in one of our meetings and that was before this election. I'm not sure that you need our services. We went down a path at half a million or 700,000 at one point, 3/4 of a million to plan things that the community had already in various ways made very clear were not on the table for this community at the beach. It's a public park. It is not our most valuable property to extract money out of. And it upsets me that we went down a path. I believe I might have voted to go on the first phase because I was assured that what we would do is collect data that we need to know anyhow about the current condition of the place and so on. Okay. But when you need a hammer, you don't bring a sledgehammer. Syscovich is a very sophisticated high-end plan big projects kind of thing. If all they're doing is gathering

data together, that probably could have be done a lot cheaper with many different firms or maybe just with the subcontractors for it. Which brings me back to we need a list of what's been done. Do we need all of that? A thoughtful analysis by staff of okay, do they need to polish it up into a nicel looking website? H I kind of don't think so. um some sort of maybe a table of contents of where do I find if I need to go look up what the status of MPs or whatever it is. Uh yeah, it's in box number six or whatever it is, bin number six. I think it's a little unfair to for us to come down hard on Ziscovich because I think my colleagues here gave poor direction and did a very poor job of reading the community as to what people wanted and they went ahead with it anyhow. I don't consider that fiscally responsible operation for the city. I don't think we should blame all of it on Ziscovich. I think at this point let's get the list detailed list. we look at it again, figure out is there anything else that we need him to do. Obviously, we need to pay him for the work done. That's only fair and reasonable. Um, but let's make a decision on how we move forward based on some concrete information presented to us with enough time that we can review it and ask questions. That is not our situation right now.

Thank you. And I, like I said, I mean, I believe that we when we talked about it at the beginning of this meeting just to go forward, I don't think we're going to have a decision tonight. I think we all agreed that we do need exactly that LL list just what have they done and what what's the product that they can present at this point. I don't know if Miss May or Miss Vallega was next but Vice Mayor May was

Vice Mayor May sounds so weird. Um I you know it's funny because a lot of the times we get this and I know it is our job to make decisions but I think we need more recommendations. We need staff to talk to us and we need staff to go back and meet with them and find out the answers to the questions. I don't think it's fair to ask Eskavich to answer these questions tonight. I I want a recommendation from you guys. I want you to come to us and I want you to say this is what we they've done. This is what we feel we need to have done. This is the data that we need. I mean because it sounds to me like they're doing some some studies that's going to tell us if we have health and safety issues there. we cannot not get those studies done. So, personally, I'm not comfortable with the amount of information we have and so I would like to um have come back. Now, the next the next one is going to be to pay them. We absolutely pay them the 121,000 whatever it is, but I can't make a decision without staff's input. So, I'm kind of going to put it back on staff. Um, I we need more we need more information and we need recommendations because you guys are the professionals. I mean, I would prefer you to come in and say, "Okay, these are this is what they've done. These are your choices. Choose from ABC, B, C, D." kind of like we did with the with the I know it's a horrible thing to bring up, but the parking garage, you know, I I would rather have research done, researchbased decision making as opposed to us up here kind of trying to flail around and figure it out because it's not productive. Thank you. Um, yeah, and in terms of the pay, I mean, they've we stopped them in February, so they haven't finished phase one yet, and the the phase one payment is $122,000. So,

right. Well, I think they said they still have things to do for phase one. Uh, Miss Mlego,

thank you. Um, so what I think we should do moving forward is I I agree that anybody who does work in the city needs to get paid. If we want people to answer RFPs, if we want people to come work for the city of Lakeworth Beach, we have to pay our invoices. floating somebody since February as a small business owner is unexcusable. And and I'm I'm just going to be very honest. We have to be very cautious with our residents funds and government funds. But at the same time, integrity is everything when you are signing these contracts. And if we want people to come here and do work in this city, we need to keep our integrity. We have a great rating on our credit rating. That's fabulous. But for a small business owner, $120,000 may sound like a small chunk of change. It's not when you have payroll to do. So, I want to thank um the organization for all their work that they've done and for still showing up at the street painting festival and giving up their time because they've already paid all their people. You know, they're they're not letting their employees say, "Wait until the city decides if they're going to pay us or not." So, that's on us. Uh I'm not very happy that that this invoice, but at the same time, I'm going to put the other hat on. If I want to get paid, I give a detailed invoice.

And when I say detailed, down to the minutia of the details because if I need to get paid ASAP, I want to make sure there's no questions asked.

Okay, here's here's what we've paid. Here's what we've done. So, it's both of our responsibilities, but 100% I'm going to say invoices here, get them paid. Um, I do think that we need input from our staff. I'm not going to say that I want everything from the staff because we again went out and had Valentina put together an RFP and we sat here and we graded people and in this commission and I don't know if it's this room kind of like 17M gets everybody pregnant. I think it's this room with getting we just can't follow through with anything. And I'm very frustrated because we sat here and we hired this firm to go out and do the work way before we talked about any referendums or if the sky in the pie things that happened in March. We hired them well before a referendum,

meaning we had a plan. We got a little distracted by a referendum, but we're still moving the city forward. That property needs to be upkept. It needs to be activated. It should be making us money, not losing us money. It is an eyesore. It's embarrassing at this point. The the the when we had the lunchon from the League of Cities, I was praying that nobody walked past that big pool. I'm like, please everybody go up the stairs. Please. I really wish we would have put like a blockade so nobody could go back there. It was embarrassing that we've had this pool sitting here for this long. So, I do support having staff give us some of your expertise. I would like to have this brought back ASAP um for a decision on moving forward with the additional phases. Um but I I'm not in favor of saying, well, we had this thing on March 10th and it didn't work out, so we're going to stop everything. And no, we need to move forward. We are a city that needs to make decisions. I support paying them. I support making sure that we're we're dotting the eyes and crossing the tees with these invoices. Um, but at the same time, you guys, if we want people answering RFPs, we can't be up here teeter tottering all the time.

Thank you. Um, and one thing that we also do have, I mean, that that sad hulk of the pool that many of us swam in for many many years is disheartening to look at. And, um, we also have to bear in mind that no matter what we do up there, whether it's break that up and fill it in, that in itself is going to be a big expense. Um it's going to cause Yeah, it's gonna So I just we have to and I what I'm told by Mr. Brown is that any money that comes to to do that is going to come out of our fund to work with the school board for the pool. So it's but I mean basic I mean but we got to get rid of that big hole and hopefully have a green space and have a lovely spot. Mr. Segridge.

Thank you, Madame Mayor. Um I have some questions for our our friends at Ziscovich. Um just because um Vice Mayor May brought up, you know, she thinks that new studies and studies on safety are important. Are you guys doing any new studies? Well, we did a conditions assessment of every looking at all the the old studies, correct? No, that is not true. We visited the site on multiple occasions, both Cisco, TLC, and um Kimley Horn. We're doing new

studies new studies. You are getting a report that is basically our field observations as to what you guys have your condition today. Those studies you have are two years, four years, 10 years, you know, back. Okay. We're looking at it as of this moment.

Sorry, Mel. And to add to that, um, commissioners, uh, when we met to discuss the scope of work, we heard from staff, we heard from commissioners that there were a lot of prior studies that existed but were fragmented, outdated or insufficient for decision-making and that due to limited staff capacity and knowledge, right? We brought together a very integrated team with areas of different expertise that the need was to analyze and integrate all the different components and look at what you had this asset and evaluate it in terms of um the conditions of the facility. Okay. Do do you have any deliverables ready?

So we do not at this moment because we were paused. We got all the draft reports from all the individual consulting teams. Again, I mentioned that we needed to package that up and make our final report and uh and our recommendations given the existing conditions. Right. Understood. Understood. Okay. Um I'm I'm I'm trying to be brief just because I know we we have short time. So, um, in terms of if we were to hit the go button again, has this pause impacted your ability to complete phase one wi within budget? No. With no yet. Okay.

No.

Um, thank you. So, in in in terms of this project, I was against it since the beginning. I still am against it. Um there are certain aspects of it that I felt were important. Primarily most of those are inside of phase one. Um if it is our commission's desire and the majority is going to move forward. I'm I'm not going to vote to move forward on it. I never voted to move forward on it. I'm not teeter tottering on this, you know, but if this commission is going to decide that anyway, what does it matter what their detailed invoices today if you guys are going to continue to move forward? Because if they're going to be on time on budget for your phase one deliverables, you might as well just continue if that's what you guys want to do, continue. um if we are thinking of halting it then I think it becomes very important what the detailed itemized you know list of things that have been completed to date um based on what they've said and based on what the the deliverables are and I've checked out the website and and verified as much as I possibly could I think if we are going to stop it it makes sense to complete phase one

absolutely

100% um so kind of keeping it it it simple. I think we can make a decision today because unless we're saying kill the whole thing, which I don't hear from my colleagues, um then it's a choice of complete phase one and end or move forward and do all phases. Either of those choices has nothing to do with whether or not they're $121,000 invoice is 100% accurate as it is of today. if they're going to be on on budget for the full deliverables. All we're doing is going to delay this several more weeks and add it to another agenda. Um I would look at and and to Commissioner um Mlega's point um about voting for something and then not having the invoices paid and and having the money in limbo and and so on. And I I did speak with our our uh interm well with uh the assistant city manager today about this topic. To me, it it's a process problem on on our end. We we shouldn't be voting to execute on a project and not also appropriating the funds. Um, had we done that in this case, we wouldn't be having this conversation today of a pause and a reset and a start and did they complete part 65% of phase one or is it 67 or is it really 50, you know, and and getting that detailed

um and even though in this case it wouldn't have worked in the favor of what I wanted, you know, but as a process I I would I would look at and my colleagues and say, you know, do we want to direct staff as a matter of policy or a suggestion that when we are taking on projects like this that we also have the appropriations um resolution prepared to sign off on when we sign off on the project. Is that something that you guys would like to give direction to staff on? Well, isn't this in the budget? I believe we did said well we we voted we voted on this and then we appropriated in February, right? We voted in August, I believe, and then it was wasn't until February

until we had the appropriation of it. Okay, great. Um and I believe that we should finish because what the and I agree with you that phase one is the most important one in terms of what we need which is the assessment. I'm going to uh do you didn't by any chance do an assessment of the physical condition of the pool did you? Um we do have the old reports and really it has I mean yes we reviewed it but it has structurally no new information it has structurally failed. You know, we did go out there, we an analyzed it, but to bring an aquatics person in to say

it's done doesn't make sense. You know, it's clearly structurally failed mechanically. The systems are all gone like that. So, yes, we're going to it speak to it in our report, but it it is not it is beyond repair. That was my understanding. I just wanted to I guess I had to hear one more time. Um Oh. Uh, Miss May, are you done? Mr. Sabbridge, no. But did did you want to make a comment? No. The red light. Do you have a is the button doesn't work?

Maybe that needs to be recharged. Good afternoon. Sure. Good evening. But Miss May just want to ask something that Anthony brought up because you were saying to finish phase one, but I believe in the presentation you guys said or task one that you guys said that the task part of phase one was Can you go back to that because part you said something about part of phase one and part of phase two were done. 65% and I address that verbally. We've completed 65% right of task one and 20% of task two.

Oh. Oh, and all these tasks are in the phase one task or the phase one um portion of the task order. Correct. Correct. Thank you. Thank you for clarifying. Task order one is. So if we if we went with phase one, we finish at the 4731 12160. Correct. Thank you. Well, I'm confused because my understand the whole project was for the

tasks. I don't think they could hear you. Um,

did you want to make a comment? Sorry. Yeah, we're not hearing. Grace, please. Good evening, assistant finance director, budget, Monica McNottton. I was just going to add um to your question about the appropriating the funds. Yes, we've actually updated our process and that's going to be our new process just to make things smoother generally. Um Monica, we can't hear you. Yeah, we've lost her. Yeah, it was turned on, but it something wasn't working. talking to mine.

Can you hear me now? Yes. Okay. Good evening, assistant finance director, budget, Monica McNotton. Um to the question about the budget appropriation, the resolution following the items. Previously, we would do quarterly um budget appropriations, but going forward, this has identified the need to do something uh more frequently. So, we'll be doing it along with the item. We'll bring forward the resolution and budget appropriation. So, thank you for the feedback.

Perfect. Thank you. So to just kind of clarify my my my my comments, you know, the the project is broken out into phase one and phase two. We we did vote on going forward with phase one, which is the 473,000, right? Um I was against it. I still am against it. I think we've gotten far enough along in task one that it would be inappropriate not to finish it and get those deliverables because there to me there is value in those deliverables for task one. Um I still do not believe we should be moving forward with this. So I would only vote to finish task one, pay for task one and the 20% of task two that's already been completed. Um, anything else I would be a no vote for, but that's where I stand on it. And I think we can make this decision today because the information we're missing is just a detailed invoice of what that $121,000 is. And if we are continuing forward on completing the one task, we just have to trust them that they did 20% of task two. And you can look, you only have to look at the website and see the survey there to know that they they did that work, you know. So, um I really think we should vote on this tonight and and move it forward um versus delaying it yet another couple of weeks. Um but that's how I stand on it.

Your suggestion is to finish um task one of phase. That would be my um recommendation is that that's what we do and then we we end the project. Um but you know, obviously the commission went in a different direction the past two times we talked about it. So, um would love to hear what other people think of and that includes the subtasks, correct? Yes. Task one, um with all four subtasks. Yes. All right. Thank you. Um Mr. McOlight was on. Miss Mclega, did you speak in? I did. I don't know. I have left.

Okay. I don't know. Um All right. Let's just keep Yeah. moving along. Um, I I'm glad that there's clarific clarification that we're talking about tasks within phase one. Um, I would agree with Commissioner Segret that the primary usefulness to us at this point is the items of task one. The other tasks are opportunities, assessment, development options. We were told repeatedly that if we constrict leases at the beach or anywhere else to less than 99 years, no business opportunities exist. So to me, it makes no sense whatsoever to do further assessments of uh development opportunities. I I I don't have the language right in front of me, but there are clearly things in here that do not make sense after the election. That was was the very clear vote that was in. I am I want to draw attention to what I heard from several of my commissioners here who mentioned that an election listening to the voters forcing something to go out in the voters when the city pitched it a certain direction and we're told resoundingly no that's not the direction we want for fellow commissioners to insult the voters by calling that a distraction is to me mindboggling and really irresponsible in terms of good governance and leading the community. We are we have gone down a path that there were indications before that election. Many people came here and have come over decades and said what they wanted at the beach and four of the members or others of the

members other than me wanted to go ahead. I am absolutely a no on $400,000 to move forward for development opportunities and opportunities assessment development options makes no sense at all. The reason that I would differ slightly from Commissioner Segri on it's not about the invoice and what to pay. That's not my concern. My concern is to make sure that we do get something useful out of the money that we've spent. Let's get a detailed list of what has been done. A list of what are the things that relate to assessment of the current thing. sort of technical evaluations that might be useful in the circumstance where we're not moving forward with some big development project up there. I want to know partly from staff, partly from Ziskovich, what are the things that ought to be done to complete to round that out recognizing the results of that election and the message that it sent. Even if our commission doesn't recognize it, the community has clearly spoken and that should be listened to, especially since part of the project was to assess what the community wants. Well, that's been done.

Thank you, Miss uh Mallea. My only question was on 20% of task 2, subtask 2.3A is workshop with commissioners and key city staff. We've not

and I I I wish that we could have that part because if we want to know from staff and I would I think that it would be beneficial for staff to sit down with Ziskovich and go over these reports. So I I would be in favor of that subtask 2.3A being completed um just so staff has the knowledge and we have the knowledge through staff and through this workshop. It says workshop with commissioners and and key city staff. I think that that would have just as much value to go over the reports than us just to get a report on a piece of paper. Right?

So, I would be in favor of of supporting that task to be completed as well. Um, I just think it's important for us to be able to move it forward either way of not completing the rest of task three or going into phase two. I think that should be our stop point personally. Thank you. Now I I also if we're going to if we're talking about phase one doing all the four tasks the one that I think is uh very um important is number 1.4 which is the SWOT analysis which is the strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats. I'm assuming that that will be part of your report for for what you've done on phase one. Correct. That is correct.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. That's what we're talking about. So, um, and I don't think, you know, I think we're all in agreement that we're that, you know, we've we've changed our direction, which is fine. Um, you know, Mr. McVoy seems to not like the democratic process of an election. He just seems to But that's fine. We had an election. We asked the question. That's a total misrepresentation. Mr. No, you interrupted me. That's a total misrepresentation of what I said. I think the election results very much need to be listened to. I'm astounded that the rest of the commission isn't listening to. Well, actually, I disagree. I'd like to make a motion to um to approve the existing bill that we owe, right?

Um to approve the work to be completed in task one, all subtask 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, and 1.4 and task two, subtask 2.3 workshop with commissioners and key city staff to be approved. Second. All in favor? Oh, Miss May, I'd like to hear from staff. Okay. And there's public comment. Um public comment. Tell me

because I don't want to get into our one-on-one and and hear, "Well, you guys really should have done X and I'm not I don't I I just need we need advice." If we do that, will we get the information that we're looking for? Or is there something in here that you guys see that we're missing? That's my question.

Stuart Sword isn't director of leisure services. So, I've I've been the lead uh staff planner and and rep on the ground with this commission. I've personally gone down there for numerous of their site assessments and supervised them. So, hearing the feedback from the commission, we can put together a very clean spreadsheet kind of delineating where they're at. So, it's clean. For me, as I look at it, I' I've been living it. So, I for me, I understand it a little easier. So, we'll clean that up. We owe that. in terms of, you know, uh, options, like we haven't really got into that, but having seen some of the things that are going to come up in the report, I think it'll make it very easy for us to make decisions on a on a on a way forward and staff can use their expertise and make recommendations to the electeds. Great. So, you think the the motion that was just made will give us enough information to move forward and make some decisions? Yes, I do. Okay.

Okay. Thank you. Good. Yeah. I mean, we put a question out to the public and the public answered the question. It's just quite that simple. We have public comment from here and we have public comment. We have Do we have public comment from the uh clerk? We do. I have two. Okay. And I've got three. Miss Fischer is first and then Miss Powell and then Miss Colemire.

Thank you.

Peggy Fisher, 508 North Street on December 3rd, 2024. Motion made by Commissioner McVory and seconded by Commissioner Diaz to approve professional services agreement with Zikovich. Vote was 5-0. So there's the vote. There's who made the motion and what happened to get us started on this. Um I'm tired of hearing that we've never had an 8020 or almost 8020 election. True. We're forgetting about a little thing that's turning pink down the road called the Gulf Stream where there was a referendum regarding height for the Gulf Stream that came in at close to 8020 in favor and after that someone who keeps talking about 8020 spent a lot of time fighting against what the people on it well documented. Well documented in terms of uh pup tents and vacant lots and calls to creditors and everything else. But as far as this is concerned, I agree with where you're going so far. I would ask are they looking at the pier because it's part of the property and you just approve another assessment on the pier. So I would hope that we're not

double dipping. I can speak for myself. Thank you. Um, we are not spending money we don't need to. And for those who may have been sitting up on the commission when the casino was renovated, when it was really destroyed and should have been classified as being a total brand new build and have pilings under it, which is does not, and is now causing a problem. Um, we need that information because there was a lot of value engineering at that time. There sure was. Thank you. Uh,

can I answer her question? Can I can I ask staff to answer her question? She they'll get in touch with her. No, I'm I'm saying about the pier. I think it's a legitimate question. Are they analyzing the pier, too? Um, Cisco, I know. Cisco, I think it's a legitimate question. I do, too. Yeah. Grace, did you guys analyze anything with the pier or you just doing the land? Uh, we did take a look at the restaurant and uh some of the pier that we could actually see from immediately to the shore. Okay. So, in the in the report, are we going to be looking at any structural analysis of the pier in any way? Not in detailed from front to front to bottom, but some general conditions.

Excellent. Thank you. Thank you for that. Okay. Thank you, Jenny Powell. followed by Katherine Colemire. You're up.

Jenny Powell, 224 North Palmway. Um, I agree with with some of it and is essentially stopping it, but proceeding with just the things that so that we can finish up what's been done, the assessment and recommendations and a report um, and an itemized list of what's been done. Um, not necessarily in that order, but um, to I mean, because there is some information that we need and will be valuable. Um, I mean to me, um, the ballroom, get it rented. I spoke in front of this commission probably close to 10 years ago and it was like, pick the lowhanging fruit fruit and get that ballroom rented. We've lost money on that for 10 13 years, something like that since since it's been, you know, vacant from the very beginning. Um, uh, Commissioner Se said at one of his town halls that we could not get, nobody could get a CO on that room until the pool was removed or something was done done with that. That's the first time I ever heard that because 10 years ago when I spoke, that never came up that I know of. I agree with um, uh, Vice Mayor Maliga. It is a bit of an eyesore, but I disagree. I think our beach is still great. It's a very uh, low-key beach. There's a lot of really good things and I I do get upset sometimes when people continually cut down our town. Obviously, a large percentage of the people who live here and voted like it pretty much like it is. Um, okay. So, the ballroom, we need to figure that out. Get that rented. We need to do something with the pool. There was a Facebook post that said something about turning it into a skateboard park. Maybe that would be cheaper than removing it. I don't know.

And then the landscaping. I just want you to be aware that the tree board um using tree canopy restoration money paid for a study and a review of the beach landscaping um about three years ago I think it was and the kind of condition it was in we felt like it was being poorly maintained. It needed a lot of work plants. So there is a report out there. We paid $1,000 for it. I thought for $1,000 it was pretty good. A professional horiculturist did that report. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much, Miss Colemire.

Katherine Klemmy, 503 First Avenue South. Um, I don't think I ever heard anyone here suggest that you should not pay the bill 121,000. I didn't hear anybody say that.

No. So, um I've heard a lot of people talk today about listening to uh people and you're doing a this particular uh project. its first phase was um data collection and you're talking about community outreach and how important it is to listen to people and how you've heard the vote um heard the people when they voted and I want to refer you to the 2022 Sharrett which commission commissioner Seg and Vice Mayor May were not here for I don't think as commissioners you were a commissioner then

no no no commission

um that yeah I meant as com on on on the commission um so as I've said before that cheret lasted over a week many many people from the community came it was open all day for a whole week people could go in talk to experts architects designers there was presentation following January to the commission the commission said they would do an RFP um using the recommendations of that pork. The thrust of the um results were that people wanted mostly low-rise incremental development and um the RFP was being in the process of being produced and W motor came along and it was dropped just dropped. no follow through that chet I think don't think it cost that much money actually but it was so wellrun and so comprehensive and included everybody people who could come in on the weekend people outside working hours

thank you that time so I would suggest you revisit the results of that cherette and listen to the people thank you thank you madam clerk You're up. You're muted though.

Sorry. The first comment that I have is from Richard Mer, 1767 15th Avenue. I want to speak in opposition to continuing the cycle of endless consultants, evaluations, and proposals for the municipal beach complex. It feels like every 3 to 5 years we find ourselves right back in the same place commissioning another study, another visioning process, another consultant, and another round of recommendations for the beach complex. At some point, we have to ask, when does this stop? The vendor is already due $121,189.35 for the work completed under task order number one. If this continues, there is still $351,9325 remaining under this authorization. That is more than $350,000 in tax pay in taxpayer dollars that could be used right now for real improvements instead of more reports and presentations. And frankly, at a certain point, can we just trust staff to make these decisions and generate reports? Do we really really need to keep paying outside consultants to tell us what experienced staff and the public can already see? It does not take a consultant to identify the obvious. The casino building needs stuckle repairs, particularly on the columns and second floor facades. The second floor does not adequately meet the needs of large-scale events for either our community or outside organizations. We do not have enough staff to properly activate the space and maximize its revenue potential. And in an astonishing omission, this review does not appear to include any structural analysis of the pier, arguably one of the most critical assets in need of repair. Aside from the former pool, instead of projecting

decades into the future with concepts and wish lists that may never materialize, let's get back to basics and address the needs that exist right now. That is the end of that comment. The next comment I have is from Nancy Udell at 1131 North Federal Highway. This contract should be terminated. We certainly do not need to spend 473,000 on another consultant. This contract seems to anticipate a large-scale redevelopment of the beach complex. This is a waste of taxpayer money since it seems clear no one wants that. Isn't there some better use this money can be put to? Take the 473,000 and put it towards fixing the roof on the annex building. That amount of money could have repaired the original problem at the pool three times over. I believe this commission can do better and be more responsible stewards of our tax dollars. We don't need another consultant. We just need common sense.

That's my last comment on this. Thank you. Really? I was waiting with baited breath. Okay. So, has anyone made a motion? Oh, Mr. Seich, here you go. It's one more. Let's go.

Um, just very quickly to address a couple of things. Um, the comment I made about the building, it's it's actually the casino building itself that doesn't have a CEO. the individual businesses were granted use and occupancy but the building itself does not have a CO until that pool is removed. Um I did want to you know just because we are talking about that building um maybe ask that that staff give us an update because we we did put forth that we wanted to do an RFP for the use of that ballroom and we've yet to see that come back. Um so maybe in our one-on- ones we can get an update of when exactly that's going to come and if there's anything holding that back. I think we did. We did. We already put it out a while ago.

Not sure. Did we talked about it? Did we director of leader services to it? I think we had no responses to it. The it for the casino ballroom. We are That's on the agenda for next for the 21st. Okay. Yeah. Somebody made a suggestion. So So it hasn't been put out yet, right? Right. No. Correct. Okay.

All right. So that that's coming on the 21st for those that are concerned about the ballroom not getting utilized. Um if we could also get um a a copy of that report from the treeboard um for for those of us that weren't here um forwarding that would be greatly appreciated as well as a copy of the 2022 Sheret results and report to have that sent to us um that weren't here for that um and the analysis of the pier we do have a detailed project on that so um anyway that was that would be replication Okay. And we did have a first and second, Madame Mayor.

Thank you. Uh, right, right, right. Yeah. Thank you. Yep. Um, okay. So, we have a motion. Can somebody say the motion again? Of short memory. Can you repeat your motion? Oh, Mr. I'm sorry, Mr. Perry. Sure. All text one. We can't hear you, Mr. Perry. As your mic's not on, we're finishing off phase one. Yeah. And then we're going to skip to subtask 2.2. 2.2 or three. Reason I'm asking is because I I'm reading

2.3A. 2.3A. But we were going to because I was looking at subtask 2.1 and just what they will be providing us I think would be important. I think it's something we might want to consider. Maybe not, but I do think we at least want to know some of the options that when they put their detailed report together or some of the options that they could recommend. Just a recommendation sitting here looking at it that I think that might be uh benefit identifying zones, the different zones, no build scenario. Correct. But okay, just a recommendation to look at it. Mr. McCoy.

Yeah, I I hear uh Mr. suggestion, but I would note that we'll define up to three planning scenarios or approaches for it. These may be include no build scenario that seems to be what the vote from the community expressed, a hybrid scenario, which was not expressed by the community, or a public private partnership, which I'm told is not possible if you don't have 99-year leases. So, that's off the table, too. And the community said no to that. So,

uh, I would be very cautious about putting money into again anything that goes in the direction of the original contract, which was in the context of we're going to do some major development at the beach. We've clearly said no, we're not going to do that. Um, or told that we can't because nobody wants less than 99ear leases. So, why would we spend taxpayer money to analyze scenarios that are not going to go anywhere? I'm all for providing technical information. You know, does the stuckco need fixing to the whatevers? Yes, it would be nice to have pilings under the building, but I suspect we're not going to do that as a retrofit. Um, but it, you know, yeah, let's go ahead and and hear about it. But technical stuff relating to it, but not I'm I'm opposed to going down pathways that we've already

Yeah. Yeah. I I don't disagree with you if a public if I mean and maybe there is some u public private partnership that would be willing to go for you know a general election but I don't disagree with you um and you know my vision right now is to have more green space to have maybe a little pavilion for uh and a splash pad so the kids can get wet at the beach um but uh I don't disagree but don't you know the private private public private partnership will come if it comes Um, so and I I tend to agree with you, Mr. Mcpoy. Um, well, I think but anybody else have any again it's 8:00 now.

I already have we have a motion and a second. Okay. So, can you say what the motion is just real quickly? My motion was to pay the existing 121 121 and change and to continue moving forward to complete all of task one I think. Hang on. All of task one, task two, subtask 2.3a workshop with commissioners and key city staff. Okay. Okay. Uh do and I have and I had a second. I think it was who second. I second that. Okay. Great. So we have a motion and a second. All in favor? All right. Thank you very much. Thank you um folks from Cisco. Um and we will all be talking to each other.

Thank you. Okay. So, next one is C. Resolution 1226 authorizing a fourth budget amendment for fiscal year operating capital budget and this has to do with the 121 and the 5,000. Yeah. Right. Do we can we can I make a motion? Yeah, I'm gonna make a motion that Thank you.

Okay. So, um, according to this, according to what we've done so far tonight, um, I'm going to make a motion that we hold that we hold off on the $45,000 until you guys come back to next time and that we approve the 1218935. My question is and and if in order to u make what we just voted on happen, do we need the entire 473121? Stuart sources and director I think Monica is going to speak to that.

I think we need an ES. It's kind of hard to break it out because it's task one is about 150ish,000 and then you move on to task two and I think it was uh 120 something. Um plus there's needs to probably be about 12,000 in contingency. I was just looking at that 22 bill. Hold on. We have Hold on. So, you have the bill for the 121, but altogether I'm estimating you need about 286,000, but again, that's a high estimate because that includes I'll make So, I'm going to make a motion that we don't pay the 45,000, right? We don't put that on. Yes. And we and we approve up to 300,000 in order to cover the motion and the decision that we just made.

And I don't think it'll be that much. But if we do and that you'll tell us exactly itemize what we are paying invoices. Yes. So that is my motion. So 300k would be the for the the top end. Um obviously the 121 um 18935 comes off the top of course and then what's left over you guys will work on how exactly is that going to be allocated towards finishing the top the tasks that have been approved. That is my motion. And do we have a second for that motion? Second that with the caveat that before that up to is spent that the city commission gets a detailed itemized bill. Yeah. Yes. For the first work or for the second

total. Yeah. Okay. For the total of what we but the 121 we're paying 121 we're paying for the rest of the work that we just approved. Are you not look but you're looking for an itemized bill up to even for the 121? No. We have a copy of it. We have there's a copy. We can get that. Yeah. But for the continuing work of the task that we just approved, even though it's an up to, we would like to see an itemized bill before that is approved by, you know, and checks are written. Okay. So, we'll appropriate the 300. We'll bring back uh before you spend anything additional. Once you get the invoices, we'll bring those back. Okay. Okay. So, that's a motion and a second. All in favor? I I think Mr. Mco.

Oh. Oh, other people get to talk. You want to Mr. boy. Um, yeah, just I I I'm quite alarmed that we all of a sudden we're all in agreement on 121. We're in agreement to limit it to task one. I think we've been told that most of task one is done and suddenly we're moving from a number in the order of 121,000 up to 300. I very much need to see exactly what's been done and what's more and make sure that we're not, you know, I I thought we were going to be, you know, maybe 150 or something or there and now all of a sudden

so if you look at the backup tax, uh, if you look at the backup task two, uh, I don't have it in front of me, but I think it's 22,95 all of task two has three components. Yes. So I can't break that up, but I I think that uh, thank you. And so they would have done I think they're going to work with part of task two that we're interested in is they come and give us an educational presentation. That doesn't sound like $100,000 or $50,000. They also said they've done 25% of task two so far. That would be in the 121. I can't speak to that. I'm sorry. I I don't I'm just I'm just looking at the creep happening and we're we're going to be asked we're going to ask to see what the bills are and how before we pay anything above the 121.

All right. Okay. So, just remember we we'll and then we'll bring you back the difference and and outline exactly what they're going to do and not to exceed that which commission. So, we have a motion. We have a second Mr. Se.

Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um, my concern with the not to exceeds is it's been the the habit of, however we want to say it, to spend every cent of the not to exceed. Um, I've been been told things like don't care what they do with their itemized bill so long as it's not with the not to exceed. Um, I have a real problem with that. Um, for me, the math is simple here. Task one's 150,710. We allocate for that. Task two is 122095. We're only doing two out of the three essentially there. One being prepped for the meeting, the other having the meeting. Let's allocate for that and make the the number um what is that? 172,000 173. Call it give a little contingency 17 what 275,000. Um I I I really don't want to put the extra 25,000 out there. And I feel if we do that then we don't have to come back again and have another vote on this topic. Let's we you know essentially task item two is prep for the meeting and have the meeting and then there's that that 2.1 which I would assume takes up a good amount of time but if we do that we're protecting ourselves. It's plenty should be plenty of room because the district said they're on time on budget and I know it's only 25,000 but this way it doesn't have to come back to us. I wouldn't I feel comfortable it not coming back. So, I'd ask that my colleagues amend it to be 275,000 and then we don't have to see it.

Uh, Miss May. So, I was the motion maker and I will amend my motion to be 275. I will second that. Okay. So, all in favor of the amended motion, I I Thank you. Thank you very much. So, the amendment, just for the record, I want to make sure Shayla gets this because the amendment is amended. So the total for the amendment number four is 275,000 total. Yes. Thank you. Thank you very much.

Okay. D. Finalization of ordinance number 2026. Uh please read by title. Madam Attorney, the ordinance isn't numbered as of yet, Madame Mayor. Oh, it's not. Oh, it's not okay. Yeah, when we first first reading, it'll be numbered. It's It's just um going This is just This is for discussion. Yes. Okay. I think we should still read it. I'd be happy to. I know you will.

Sure. Ordinance number 2026 yet to be finished numbered of the city of Lakeworth Beach, Florida repealing section 2-9 and articles 5 9 11 15 16 17 20 21 and 23 of chapter 2 and sections 13-1 13-2 13-3 and 13-4 of chapter 13 and adding a new article 4 of chapter 2 of the code of ordinances regarding agencies, boards, and committees of the city, including procedures for the appointments of members in terms of office, attendance, and residency requirements of members, and the powers and duties of all agencies, boards, and committees of the city, providing for severability, repeal, codification, and an effective date.

Thank you. Um, anybody have any com I have one uh two two very brief comments that I'd like to just get out there. One is um oh the CRA we didn't take the language out with the CRA about uh um director of a corporation that we took out in the others. Can you give us a line? There's no it's division three. It's division page eight of the or of an ordinance. I mean if you look over at the top it's page eight. Division three uh agencies.

Yeah. Division three. Got it. owning just a second line on B owning a business practicing the third line serving as an officer or director of a corporation or other business. Um the membership criteria for the CRA is defined by statute. That's right. Um I also think that each that some here I don't I didn't see it but I think that it should be noted that each of these boards is subject to the sunshine law just so that there's no confusion. Very um did anybody else have anything? Mr. Segridge. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um, so on on page seven, um, talking about the tree and landscape board. Yep.

Um, one of the item, uh, part C down there, item two towards the bottom of the page, um, talks about consistency with the University of Florida's Florida Friendly Landscape Program. Um so by state statute we have to adopt ordinances and policies that are in accordance to Florida friendly landscape principles. Um and that is defined by the state. The Florida friendly landscape program by the University of Florida is a University of Florida program. It is not the state statute. Um I've brought this up before. I'm very uncomfortable with having a university program basically directly referenced from our ordinances as something that we need to follow. Now, um this it's also referenced in our landscape code um and and I hope when we do the review of that we we modify it, but in terms of what we're we're asking of the tree and landscape board, I don't think we should be referencing it to the um university program at all. I think it needs to be the state statute. Um because the the two are very different. And I I really believe that some of the things coming out of that program are the source of a lot of the really nitpicky stuff in our landscape code that gets into people's backyards and causes stuff that's fairly uninforceable. Um you know, talking about the number of inches of mulch to have around a tree in your backyard and and and so on. Um, that's kind of where that comes from. Um, so I am not in favor of adding that underneath the tree and landscape advisory board. Um, also, um,

let me just what what are you suggesting as a replacement? You you said a different the Florida friendly landscape principles, the state statute. I'm looking to Jenny. So there's a statute that you have the site I asked her. Thank you. I asked her. Okay. So,

so to to to clarify, the state statute that mandates that local municipalities implement landscaping code says they have to do so adhering to Florida friendly landscape principles. It then lists and defined those principles. Okay. The University of Florida took that upon themselves and said, "Hey, let's go and create our own program for this and create guides and and things and expound upon it in terms of what their interpretation of that is." And they get way into the weeds, pun intended, on on what that actually means. I do not believe we should have a university program enshrined in in our ordinances.

There's a statute that makes perfect sense to to represent that. So, Yep. Yeah. I think that's a change in my, you know, I would like I would like to see it changed here, but I would also ask, you know, see if my colleagues support direction telling staff to modify the other areas of our code that that mention this to reference the state statute versus the university program. What are what are your guys thoughts on that? It's so to add to it, it would be Florida State Statute 373.185, Florida Friendly Local Florida Friendly Landscaping Ordinances. Thank you. You're welcome. Okay. Anybody have a problem with that? Yes, definitely.

Um, I support it because everything else in here reverts back to Florida statutes, right? That's the only place where it has a university decides one day that they just don't have this program anymore. It's in our code. the university decides they just want rocks in everybody's yard. Yeah. We can't base it on what a university so we we have consensus to instruct staff. Mr. Mr. McCoy would like to speak about that. You don't agree with that?

No, I certainly don't agree with that. Uh the University of Florida, it probably came out of the IFIS portion of it, Institute for Food and Agricultural Sciences. It's been around for at least 50 years, if not a hundred. Um it is not the the efforts of the University of Florida are researchbased, science-based, study based. They are Oh, sorry, Mike. Um they also tend to work in uh cooperation with the water management districts who have a bit more sight specific into different parts of the state because we have different environments, different soils, different climates, all sorts of things. The University of Florida stuff is going to be pretty well thought out. You may not like the level of detail that's in it, but I am a little bit surprised that if one was looking for authority on how to achieve public good objectives relating to plants and soils and landscaping, that one would defer to the illustrious elected officials in Tallahassee as the experts on as opposed to scientists who spend their life studying soils and plants and those things. That makes no sense to me. And um maybe there's some sort of philosophical we don't like universities and we don't like knowledge. I don't know. That seems a little bit odd. But I think there is no question that the University of Florida's recommendations have a very different basis. They are not political statements. They are knowledgebased statements and and it is not something that you know University of Florida is going to wake up tomorrow and say well you know what we're going to do rocks now. I mean that's that's just not the nature of

that program. The Florida friendly program reflects many years of trying to achieve certain objectives. Some of it is providing habitat for endangered species, birds, butterflies, other species. Some of it is providing habitat for endangered plant species. A lot of it is driven by water conservation as we saw at the beginning of this meeting. Um what something that Von did not mention is that water use the vast majority of it in Florida is outdoor irrigation. That's way bigger than whether you take a short shower or a long shower. Irrigation is very much dictated by what you plant. If you plant native species on the whole once they're established after a few years you don't need to irrigate them at all. So there is a lot of knowledge base to the University of Florida. It's a reasonable thing to have as a base for the tree board to say hey what does University of Florida have to say about this and let's use that as a general guide.

So that means you're not consenting. No I'm not consenting. Okay we can move on. Okay. Um, so, so we do have incentives 4 to one to to remove that from Yeah. I mean, I just read the little clip from it and it's much simpler. I think that certainly the tree board can um refer to it refer to the the university. I don't think they're going to start making rock gardens completely.

That was me being facitious. I I was being fac Well, I mean, it it actually does go into some of that, but um I I I you know, I don't see any problems with the program itself. It's just I have a problem with having a university program dictate our loss. Um, so the other um piece to it with with the the tree board um we have in there that they're going to review and provide recommendation on all amendments city landscape requirements. Um does that mean that I think we started to have this conversation? And I don't know if we finished it. Um I thought we finished it, but um that we're automatically sending anything landscape related to the tree board. Um it was my understanding that we would have from from the last meeting, and I could be wrong about it, that the commission would decide if we needed their input or not. M I recall that there were some of us on the dis that said that it would be up to staff to say hey let's get it before they bring us a staff report

that would be staff dependent is what I recall is what we decided. Okay. So that such was like the business advisory board we talked about where they have to give us the report fiscal impacts and stuff like that. Okay. So I guess my question there is how this is written does that align with that or does this mandate a different process um see parts uh part two um and part one

well that's I mean if we're going to change the landscape amendments to the landscaping code I would want them I would definitely want their input into that if that's what that says it doesn't mean they're not saying every project comes to them um I I think that I think that most projects maybe just not a single family house, but I think projects should come to them. I think that's what they're there for.

Then the the other area um of concern and it it used to be I think in the charter creating the tree board that they would they would take care of the tree canopy uh study. They they would do that. And I came to learn and understand that that probably wasn't a a reality that that it was it was a little too complex and required certain things for that. But I do look around our city and I see a lot of our city landscape that we have that is in pretty bad shape when it comes to looking at the Florida friendly landscape principles. Um most recently, um we had an industrious neighbor decide to mulch around the trees in our median in South Palm Park. Looks lovely. Um certainly not an activity I would condone. Um but um it actually kind of meets our code and and the landscape principles. Nowhere else in the median does. Um we also have a lot of Brazilian pepper growing in the median. um and and different things things like that.

Yeah, I was going to say it's not easy, right? So, um I don't know if if there's a a role or an appetite for for that board of helping us with quality control of our basically landscaping contracts. Um because right now it's not happening as far as I can see where um but then they're overseeing a contractor that's a little I'm just wondering about quality control and feedback. Um well, you can certain if they see a problem, they can certainly get in touch with because we don't want them to um Okay.

Okay. Um now when I'm looking at that it um it does not this does not address C does not address that things come when something come when something will come to the treeboard. Um it I I recall something similar to the former vice mayor. Um that we thought that a certain amount of discretion by staff. Hey, it seems like this would make sense to send to the tree board. Why don't we do that? Um so we'll leave it as needed I think by as needed by staff I think is what we settled on. Okay, Miss Mega. Um now I just forgot what I was going to say. Shoot.

Dagna. That has never happened. All my years of being get used to it. Doesn't get any better. Thanks a lot. Um I speak the truth. Madam clerk, do you have any um comments on this one? I do not, Madam Mayor. Okay. Thank I have two comments here. Um let's have the com maybe. I'm thinking maybe perhaps. Do we have a motion in a second? Yep. We don't think we do. Do we have a motion in a second? We do not. Okay. I didn't think so. Okay. Let's listen to public comment. Um, Miss, you know who you are. Miss Cole and Miss Powell, you can take turns. Who goes first?

Jenny Pal, 224 North Palmway. Um, I wanted to try to address I hadn't really intended to make a comment. Number one, the um I wanted to reiterate about the University of Florida. I am a master gardener, right?

I have a horiculture degree in addition to that. Um and um as a master gardener, we have to use we use the University of Florida recommendations. Those are the scientists. They study this any almost any topic regarding household house plants, outdoor plants, um pests, insects, disease of plants, somebody is studying that. So, it's it is researchbased as Commissioner McCoy said. So, I I just find that we're it seems like we're splitting hairs a little bit on changing this from from Florida Friendly Landscaping, University of Florida recommendations to Florida statutes. I I haven't studied that to see what the difference is. So, that's number one. I say leave it alone. Leave it as it is. Um I don't think that we're going to be measuring inches of mulch. I I just don't um and and on the the um the issue of bringing things to the tree board, uh mayor, I thank you because you did ask that the issue of I think it was the penalties or some I can't remember what it was. It was a a landscaping issue that you asked, "Has the tree board looked at this?" And we had not. And that was going to be a comment that I had that night, I think. And um and they did ask us to review it and and we gave an opinion and you voted against it anyway or you voted for it and we had said no don't do it. I think it had to do with penalties. Um I I honestly I can't recall specifically but so you ask our opinion and I think it's appropriate to ask. Unfortunately typically you don't listen. So um that is the truth. Uh it was that way for artificial turf. It was about the penalties. So I say we deserve to be asked about any landscaping issues, not necessarily on permits, but issues that come up,

changes in landscape code. That's Yeah. And that's in the ordinance. Miss Colemire,

Katherine Colemire, 503 First Avenue South. Um, I just Googled state of Florida statutes rellandscaping. Florida statutes, specifically FS 373.185 and FS720.3075, mandate that local governments and homeowners associations cannot prohibit Florida and friendly landscape. These laws encourage water conserv conserving drought tolerant landscapes emphasizing right plant right place principles including appropriate fertilization and mulching. University of Florida IFAS extension Florida friendly landscaping program. The nine principles of Florida friendly landscaping. You might see some coincidences here between the two. Right plant right place. Water efficiently. Fertilize appropriately. Mulch, attract wildlife, manage yard pests responsibly, recycle yard waste, reduce storm water runoff, protect the waterfront. And I want to reiterate as Miss Powell and Commissioner McVoy have said, I did the Mastercard program as well. The University of Florida um has, you know, a lot of scientists doing a lot of studies and it's not just homeowners and commissions that look to the University of Florida for information about pest control, water conservation, best practices. It's commercial growers, farmers, agriculture, big business. People look to them to help them figure out what is a good way to help conserve our environment and help give us what we need, you know, more production or whatever it is. And they have it's um it's not a political organization. It's an organization that is doing scientific research to find out what is really the

case and what the things we do how they affect things. So I would like to hear it. Thank you. That's time. Florida. Thank you. Thank you. Go Gators.

What? Oh, uh, Miss Mlea has remembered. Um, I would like to see if staff could give us an update on our um, ad that we have out to hire a horiculturist or an arborist. We still don't have one. Um, as far as I've I've heard and I I do hear the comments that are being said. Um, unfortunately I have two palm trees that are really sick right now that I'm trying to bring back to life. And I just happened to have a guy who was working on the house next door and he has a license and he went to school and he said, "If you can't fix it yourself, call us. We'll test your soil and we will send it to the university and find out what's wrong with the soil." Now, send it to the state legislature. They know talking.

I don't know. I don't know. And Ramsay can testify. I don't know. Barely know an orchid from a from a palm tree. So, I do like to rely on the experts. Um, but I do understand Commissioner Cyrus's point of having that spelled out in our ordinances, you know, knowing that we're re that we can say internally, yes, this is what our best practices are and we rely on that information. But for that just to be specified in that ordinance for that board, that would be like us saying that we want to lean on a business community or a business chamber for their advice. So that's why I'm supporting it. Not because I don't believe in science because Ramsey can attest. I again hire the professionals because I don't know how to take care of stuff. Um so that's the only reason I'm supporting it.

Thank you. What I'd like to propose would be because I I am hearing you know from our plant our tree board that we don't listen to enough apparently. um that that I mean the University of Florida is the is the accepted place where that happens that you know it's not any other college the University of Florida and I would but you know with the state statute and I understand that we like the conformity of the state statue but you know how about using the principles of the University of Florida not in which are not in uh what's the word dispute um what's it thank you that do not contradict the um the Florida statue because I I do I think and I understand your point Mr. Seish but I do think the university is is very trustworthy and and and does do a lot of science. So I would be for keeping him they study everything Mr. Segridge.

So are you changing your vote? Yep. We haven't voted yet. No we we voted on that. Right. We gave consensus for that. Yeah. So yeah same. Okay. So it's 32 consensus four. Um so I'd like to make a motion to approve as amended. Second. Okay. So approve on all things we talked about the entire ordinance. Correct. Yes. And but that's this is just for discussion. We'll be bringing you back a clean copy for for first reading. Agree. And you're you're saying the state statute?

Yes. But I would like to also keep in there the language about the principles of University of Florida. I think we should discount them. Yeah, I would like to keep that in there too. I think I can't hurt. Sounds like from what um we voted Miss Colemire read that they're the state the state is taking the information from the University of Florida. So it's not true. So the University of Florida is implementing a their particular program for that state statute. And so we've we did we did vote we did vote to take it out. So well we talked I don't think we actually had a vote 41 and then you switched. It's 32. Okay.

Um but I I don't really see the harm in keeping the university language in there to as a guide as a guide but apparently that's not a popular um position. So um we have a motion. We have a second. Well, there's no voting. She just said just Oh, they're not going to vote. Okay. So you know what we're talking about. All right. Up next is I'll slide you do obviously um oh city manager position. Uh yeah can I make a motion that we move the golf cart comp conversation up since we have people waiting or do you want to wait till the end? We've got a couple the city manager position is important and well I'm not saying it's not. I just know we have people here for that. I I know but the time that we have Okay, that's fine.

Um see the city manag it's it's on the new one E. I thought I just downloaded the most recent one. I don't see that. I'm not seeing it. I'm not seeing it in my uh packet even. No, it's not. It's there. It It's not in a packet. We left it on the day. We printed it out today. Why are we adding something that It's We did. We asked and it's on the it's actually on the agenda and we did get these emailed to us a few days ago last night at 5:00. Okay. Six maybe five maybe. Yeah. We're going to hear from Mr. Perry

from Commissioner before. The reason you didn't have one up there is because we thought you were not going to be here. No, no. I I got it. So, I just want you to know that. That's why last night at 5 and then I couldn't get to it and send it at midnight. There was a revised copy that was sent out early this morning. So we printed that for all the commissioners and um Oh, that's that one. I will print you out one commissioner and bring it up. He's got one. It's right in some the mayor kindly handed me one. Okay.

On the desk when we came in. Okay. So I see lights. So let's start with Mr. Segri. Oh, you're first. I'm sorry. Whoever was I just I know there's a little there's some things that you guys already caught. The only thing that I first of all, I want I don't know that anybody's here to hear this, but so much better. Okay, great. Yeah, Warren, you're there. Yes, I'm here. Thank you, Warren. This is so much better. Yeah. When I read this, I there's a couple things that are people are going to bring up, but in general, it feels

so much more professional, so much better, and it really does bring um bring our community alive. You've captured it to just like so much better than last time. So, I want to say that publicly because last time, I'm sure, wasn't that much fun for you. I'm glad you done it. Yes, it looks great. Um I do want to look I wish there was page numbers. The second page where it talks about a rich and storied community. Yep.

The only I think that I just worry about the um student. We were told that we were trying to take a picture of a student the other day who was doing some volunteer work for the um Easter and the ROC um commander said we could not. I don't want to I don't want to put a picture of a student in this. So I think we need to absolutely take that out. I don't know if she's a minor or not. It doesn't matter. She's a student. We need to get rid of her. Okay. Well, not get rid of her. But you know what I mean. Get rid of her photo. I just That's not That's not appropriate. All right. Right. That's not what I mean. Photographers. Yeah. Just put this another picture of We'll replace the photo.

Yeah. The other one that I have a problem with is on the cover picture. Um, I would prefer I love the that picture of the beach. I don't want to have a specific restaurant in there. I don't think that's appropriate. It's So, that needs to come off. I don't And I don't think you just mark off the name of the restaurant. Um, yes, it's iconic, but our city is a heck of a lot more than just that. There's a wonderful picture that Mr. Brown used on in a um like a a promotion for us. That is a beautiful picture with uh turquoise water. And if he could get that to you, we could sub substitute that. We can take

because I don't think it's appropriate to have the actual name of the restaurant, although it's a fabulous restaurant. No problem. Um, and I think that there's a couple other things that other people caught, but I definitely wanted to add that in there. So, we we've got two also just to let y'all know that staff made us aware of uh earlier today on page 10. Uh, we have we're going to eliminate the October Fest and Cinjun crawfish festivals because I think they're not I mean, that sounds like a great idea, but they're not here. Well, they're not actually uh in Lakew Worth Beach. So, we're going to take the Do you have Do you guys have the Midnights on the Finish Festival in there? It's in there.

Okay. Yep. And then we're going to um add on the requirements the uh exact language of the Oh, the 30 the 30 miles off the corners of each of the city. 20 Yeah. 20 miles from each of the corners of the city. We'll make that clear. No. M Can I just read that real quick because that was our question last time. the ordinance, and this was sent to us by Mr. Perry, um, residency within the city limits is preferred, but residency within 20 miles of the northwest and southwest corners of the city is required. Right. Not the county, the city. Correct. Right. Okay. And we're going to use that exact language in the for sure.

Um, I I think that's it for me for now, Mr. Mr. Segridge. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um, I I would second a vast improvement, a lot closer to to what we're looking for. Um, I I agree with the changing of the cover photo to to something that that's more like that. Um, I would like to see us highlight, please, folks,

some of the the major iconic events and and locations within the city. Um myself personally um and looking for feedback from you guys u would like to see kind of one page on each of these with a large graphic and a couple bullet points maybe about it. But I do think our pier and Benny's is an iconic location and a lot of people know it. Um it's gotten a ton of ton a ton of press for our city. Um I think we'd be remiss not to highlight that um on its own. highlight the street painting festival because you know there's there's information about that you know over a 100,000 visitors over the course of a weekend largest arts festival um in Palm Beach County and for it to have I want I would I think it deserves its own page and and I think there's enough content for it to have its own page. um our artisal industrial district um that is going to be a major transformation for our city. We we've got a major grant going into that area. That is an area that could have um a lot of change for us in our in our city. And I think as a city manager coming in, having knowledge of that particularly could be an attractant where it's like, okay, I'm not just dealing with a historic downtown and a and a wonderful beach and a golf course. I've got this district that that's been already laid out but not yet re-imagined and not yet built. Um, to me, that would be an area of opportunity. And then in highlighting the arts, um, we do have the Ben Ziten and we have the W Moda. Um, and maybe highlighting them together as, you know, really making us an epicenter for the

fire arts and and and decorative arts. Um, so myself personally, I liked a lot of the changes in in here, and I don't want to nitpick um through that because I I think it'll never be perfect, but it's it's getting really close. But if we could maybe highlight those four things as their own callout page, to me it would do them a lot more justice and kind of give that wow factor um to those particular items. Thank you. I would add the Gulfream to that. Um great call.

I uh and also on the on the colleges, I would add the Palm Beach Atlantic College, which is becoming a major college in West Palm Beach and it draws quite a few people. I also would like to see just some some reference to the fact that the city is facing the balance between our old Florida artistic charm and the need for you know going forward that that's a balance that we where's we well does it say it like that where where I agree with that that need that that a a manager is going to have to deal with that I think it's I think it's pretty well spelled out in there that's was impressive to me. See, and I I didn't Yeah,

folks. What about um We don't have page numbers. Yeah. What about Sarah? What about Pride? Oh, Pride. Put Pride in. I thought it was in there. I I'm I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing where we have that balance. Well, can somebody find it and point us to the language? there's neighborhood pride, but that's a different kind of thing and the story community, you know, but I just think that would be a good idea to identify it as something that could deal with. I agree.

Oh, no, that's not the only thing I see is on the at one point pride festival was I remember seeing it in yesterday's version. So, we can agree. Can we agree that I mean we could replace the picture of the student with a picture of Pride. That'd be good. Could you in your outfit? I looked really cute in that outfit. Oh jeez. I'm playing. Don't put that picture in. Yeah. Um so uh I mean I'm not seeing that. I'm trying to find it. I read the whole thing. I didn't highlight that. It's under the ideal candidate. The city commission is seeking a confident that starts with that. Roughly how far in are you ideal candidate with the little ribbon. Here it is. Doesn't have a page.

It's about three pages from the end. Oh, yeah. I see it now. Um I did see even when it is difficult. I thought that was good. Yep. Getting to a Yes. Yep. I like that. That was cuz you said it. I know. And another thing that I saw um challenges and opportunities. Key challenges and opportunities. One, two, three, four down. Managing a highly engaged and vocal community. That was great. I don't really think managing is what we do. I think listening and reflecting and getting input, but I don't know that we actually manage them. I mean, that's

is it under organizational opportunities and opportunities under recruitment, managing a high fourth one down, managing a highly engaged and vocal community. I would. What verb would you like? I would just say engaging with. Engaging with. How about that? Engaging. But then we use engage twice. How about Warren? Do you see what I'm saying? Yes, we we come up with another Okay, folks. Really? Sure. Um, yeah. I just think managing is is an unfortunate choice of words there. Um, okay. We can change it. We'll think of something. Great.

All right. Let me just go back. And to your concern about, you know, trying to express some of the balance in the community, do we did anybody see where that's already? Well, I see. Well, the only thing that I see it says Lakeworth has been a haven for artists, entrepreneurs, and independent thinkers. That spirit remains deeply embedded in the community. The city embraces its individuality, values, inclusiveness, and continues to evolve while preserving the authenticity that makes it stand out in South Florida.

It's under Why this opportunity? Lakeworth Beach offers a rare opportunity to lead a city with authenticity, energy, and forward movement, coastal lifestyle with a vibrant arts and cultural scene, engaged community and elected leadership, meaningful challenges paired with real opportunity, a role where your leadership will be visible and impactful. This is more than a job. It's a chance to shape the future of a truly unique coastal city. That's fabulous. That's fine. Um, but I would like to have Palm Beach Atlantic put in there. I would like to have uh the G maybe a picture of the Gulfream where that student is. Well, there you go. Or Pride or Pride.

I I would say if we're not going to have Benny's being advertised, I don't think that we should have the Gulfream Hotel either. I mean, either way, I think that we just need to be cautious. That's just my opinion. I I think we should so show them both. Show them both inside. Show in the in the pictures on the inside. Yeah, I I think I think we put our our assets forward and th those are both rather iconic for our city. They happen to be businesses too, but it's Yeah, we're not promoting any particular business in this because this the purpose of this is just to recruit candidates, not to get people to shop at any particular place.

No, that's why I just didn't want it on the cover, but it should be in there because you have to have a picture of the pier and there is a restaurant on the pier and there's a very beautiful shot and it's also something that we need to the cover. Yeah, the um the city manager is going to have to, you know, deal with the leases and everything else of that building. So, it does it is appropriate to put a picture of the buildings that we own. So, I mean, you really could have put a picture of Compass in there, too, because we own that, too. Madam Mayor, yes, ma'am. May I? Yep.

Um I would like to see under projects, investment, and and momentum where you talk about the CRA, if you could put in there the dollar amount that the CRA brings in reinvestment into the city. I think that's imperative or something about there's nothing in here about the fact that Lakewood Beach is the number one city with the most affordable home ownership opportunities. That we are at the front of of Palm Beach County for affordable and workforce housing. I think that's important. Can't hurt. Um, however you want to word it, but I just think that we have to put a dollar figure to how much money the the CRA brings in.

Anybody have a problem with that? Okay. All right. Mr. Segridge has his light on first.

Um, under the key responsibilities continued slide, I think it's the the third one of those under organizational leadership and operational e excellence. I think under organizational um uh the under under there where we're talking about strengthening internal management systems and process um I think also the mentioning of metrics or the implementation of new processes and metrics um in there is important. Um, I understand we're we're being kind of generic here, but I I I do think that the candidate needs to understand that they have our support in making organizational change um and implementing some things that may not be here today.

Wouldn't that be under identify opportunities to improve efficiency and effectiveness under operational excellence? It's the second bullet point. I I like calling out metrics be because we've asked for it. It's in process. Um it's not yet completed and it's something that I think is very much missing from what we have today. This page you're thinking uh key responsibilities continued. Identify opportunities to improve efficiency and effectiveness. Yeah. Evaluate service delivery programs and imple implement best I mean what s what what l what sentence are you proposing? I'd like I'd like to see just calling out specifically new processes and metrics.

Strengthen internal management systems processes including metrics metrics or something. I'll throw the word metrics in there. Yeah, I think that's good. Okay. So, what you have, Mr. McCoy, is Commissioner Seg, are you done, Mr. Se?

I I do agree with the mayor on that. I think it's only fair to whoever is coming in that that somewhere a little bit more explicitly that they hear that that our community struggles and has for many years and probably will for a while between one view that is quite strong and inherited of a relaxed low-key beach community and another view that is probably bringing bringing it closer to other communities in South Florida and that that that is an ongoing struggle and an unresolved one. Although, as has been pointed out, the um downtown Cherret process did actually bring quite a bit of clarity to that. But I would like to see that in fairness to the to the candidates that that be spelled out a little bit more. And I think I had a place but now I've lost where it would go. I mean I'm not committed to any particular place but I do think that's important maybe why this opportunity

but I think you have room on that page easily to say something about you know you've got to start at it in community elected leadership coastal lifestyle but it doesn't really get at the huge development pressure that we always have on one side and the the wish to have, you know, the reason that many people moved here, a low-key beach, relaxed kind of community. Um, and that's a a real struggle. And how do you make that work financially? And well, we're going to get into all that. I mean, I think when they get their interviews, each one of us is going to very pointedly point out, you know,

Yeah. And I don't think those are mutually exclusive. Yeah. Yeah. I I agree with you. We just need them to apply and then Okay. I'm sorry, Warren. But yeah, I'm just saying is that, you know, we we need folks to apply and we can get into some of the details of Bill's concerns as we it's going to be a challenge, I think. Anyway, well, Warren, I was very hard critic of the first presentation and this one is phenomenal. So, 100 110% better. We want to thank you for the quick turnaround. Appreciate it. Yeah. Yep. Well, we appreciate it. And so, we'll uh make another round of changes. And do y'all want us to bring that back to you or y'all? No, I don't think you need to. Although Mr. Seg has one more comment. That was going to be my question. What do we want the process to be? Do we want them to come back?

Roll with it. You know, let HR review it one more time and then just push it out. Yeah, that's fine. Let's do this. So, I'd like to make a motion to Well, actually, m Mr. I just want to see if y'all can add to the motion when you do that that uh authorizing up to uh $1,500 in expenses for advertising as well just because in our contract the expenses the advertising is expense reimbursement and it's got to be pre-approved by the commission or by the city. Was it that wasn't in the original contract? He's saying it has to be preapproved meaning he can't Yeah, it says expension on it. All right. So, I'll make a motion. Motion. What the hell?

For advertising. Yeah. Vice Mayor for like two hours and she's on a power trip. Straight to her head. Um, smack her down. So, I'd like to make a a motion for us to approve this with our suggestions to to move forward as well as authorize $2,000 in advertising expenses um and get this process started as soon as possible. Miss Second by Mr. Miss, she had her. No, I'm good. I'm just gonna vote. May you have all in favor? I Thank you. Five. Thank you, Warren. Keep on this wonderful track. Okay. Thank you'all. All right. We will. Thank you all very much for the feedback. All right. Good night. Go to bailed.

Yeah. Yeah. It's not nothing personal. Okay. So, that was unfinished E. Huh. Motion to approve. We're on new A. Office lease for Lucern. motion. Okay, I'm here. Let me second. Proposed lease for temporary office location at 809 Lern Avenue for Legion services department. I'm reading my motion. Oh, okay. You second it, May. I do second it. Uh, we have no comments, I don't think. All in favor? I Oh, yeah. All right, let's move on. My one question was back.

Is there a parking lot across the street? Is there There is That's for them, right? Yeah, that was my other question. Mr. Segridge. So, I'll be brief, but a as we look at these and so we have leisure services in its own building. We've got electric utility customer service in its own building. Um, these are some pretty hefty expenses that that we have. We have a construction project going on at,900. Um, we've got other planned construction projects for other facilities and so on. I believe we need to have um a comprehensive strategy for where our city services are are going to exist and and going to lie. I would much rather be expending this money on a mortgage payment on a new building in town than than on on these leases. Um and I understand opportunity and and and timing of of this and this is important and I am in favor of of of this. I think um the staff did a great job of finding a good building in in the right area for the for the right price. But um I would like to to ask that um we we give staff direction or get consensus to give staff direction to explore the option or put together some sort of a I don't know staff housing plan uh for for the future that might include new building acquisition because as a city that will give us opportunity you know to add assets um at a cheaper rate than we're essentially rebuilding them. you know, the cost of the project at 1900, we probably could have gotten a a newer building already already outfitted and and done something else with that land. And I just don't see us having a plan for that.

So, you want a facilities plan, where where are we going where are we going to start? So, we need staff to to start planning on where in five or 10 years, where are all of our city services going to live? Because we're we're we're scattered around. It takes sometimes six different places to go to get a project done for our residents. And you know, every dollar spent in rent like this is thrown right out the window. And we have we have buildings we are renting out at significantly less than we are renting buildings for.

That's true. Um, so for for our finances sake, um, and and just to have a plan, I really think we need to give direction to staff to have some time and work on that, um, so that we can execute against it because right now staff is just kind of reacting um, you know, we we need to put people here, we're going to put people there, right? Um, so

um, and I have been saying for years that we need a new city hall. We have the building. We have the whole block over there. We could put fire and police on the first floor and go up from there. I believe it would probably have to be some sort of triple P. I mean, they Wilton Manners just put in a whole new thing with the triple P project that I want to go down and talk to them about. Um uh so yeah, OB I mean we're this building shouldn't I mean we should have a building where there's everybody

real offices. Um, so I don't disagree with you, but I mean in terms of this vote tonight, let's We are really Yeah. Well, if we could Do you want to branch out and have a whole I mean, right now we have no money to build a new building. So, I mean, I don't um So, I don't know what it would be like talking about something that I think we should like put a thing out for a triple P and see if anybody comes. I think we should wait to hire a city manager. Yeah. Is a first step. So, okay. Uh, Mr. report.

Uh just very briefly, uh I would concur with commissioner secretaries and my thinking on it may not be correct, but my thinking is there is something to all the city employees being in a close space so that different departments interact with each other. And I think in terms of recruiting employees, you know that you have kind of a place where you know you have more people that you work with and you're not just a group of 10 off in a corner somewhere electric. Exactly what I'm saying.

So I think there might be some benefits to us to employees and to employee retention and recruitment to doing that too. So I I'm in favor of you know yes let's get this immediate need dealt with but let's keep in mind that direction. I think it might help us. I've been barking at this. I have a rich uncle who will build a building. Thank you. Cough it up, baby. Yeah. Um, yeah. No, I've been saying we need a city hall and we have an entire city block that we can put it on. Okay. So, we have a Do we have a MO? We have a motion in a second. All in favor? Thank you. Um, who did the motion? Who did the I did. Okay. The second was from Miss May. Okay. All in favor? Right.

Construction contract with Watts Group for City Hall annex roof framing reinforcement. Motion motion to approve by Mr. McBoy. Second by may May. All in favor? I. Discussion and direction regarding the use of golf carts on public roads. Um I think we should listen to um people first. No, I I agree. Ask your staff. There's a um there's a lot of public comment on this one. Madame Mayor, I had one one comment on the annex and I I didn't vote. My light was on. Oh, I'm sorry. Um,

I I would like to to get an an update from from staff on the the RFP status for the annex building itself. I don't think we had a direct we talked about it. We we did we we we voted to issue an RFP about the annex. I thought we did. I don't think I think we did, but we we most certainly did. Okay. Well, um that's interesting because I mean there's got to be a lot of conversation about that.

Yes, there there was a lot of conversation about it. Uh, well, you want to make it you're talking more and I'm not disagreeing necessarily, but just to make it more of a monetized building. I think you're you're well, yeah, we we had a long discussion on it, but it it's it's been quite some time and you know, here we have an expense that is tripling the price of the roof.

Well, it has to be it has to be done. I I get that it has has to be done, but we're you know that how much longer are we going to let that building sit without any kind of activation? You know, we we go and we fix the roof and it just sits empty for a number of years. How many years is it before we re have to rebuild the roof again? Madame Mayor, yep.

Uh during my one-on-one meeting with the commissioner secretary today, he brought up that same uh issue regarding that RFP. went back and talked to staff and we also went and took a look at the um project listing and we could not find anywhere where that was um approved. But we did uh in speaking with the clerk, she's going to take a look through some of the um the records and see if we can find that. But if not, what I do recommend that um when we go ahead and do the roof and the um trust that we maybe schedule a special meeting to discuss um the annex building and try to find out exactly how you want to proceed and and um doing those repairs and bring them bring them bring the report that we do have back I guess uh so you guys could take a look at it and and maybe give staff some direction and look at some of our options. That's just a recommendation from the manager's office.

Sure. I mean, basically, we have to dry it out. I mean, we have to get And I remember the conversation being we gave direction to get the roof fixed so we didn't have to keep spending money and that we were going to have a conversation on going out for RFP or triple P offer or whatever. That's what I recall. And that's what basically what staff said today when we went back and talk about. Okay. And definitely a um special meeting, not a workshop, because this is where we have I'm sure there's a lot of great ideas out there. Yep. That we want to hear. Okay. Okay. So you will if you like me to with the clerk office and you look at the schedule and see if we can look at special meeting. Yep. Okay. Did we have a motion and a We voted already. I

Oh, that's right. Okay. So now the next one up one and pass it on. They're all the same. Yep. These are very nice looking.

Um okay. Staff is seeking directions from the commission regarding the use of golf carts on public roads and um the backup. Thank you for providing that backup back to us again from last year. Um to all right so 24 you know 25 the time flies when you're having fun. Um so you know one thing we can do we can designate roads which are safe. We can you know how would we do this? What criteria? That's my question. Um, let's we do have let's just start out with public comment, but before we have a motion, let's just change the rules a little bit and just have public comment. Madame clerk, do you have public comment? I have one, Madame Mayor.

Okay. And I have a couple up here. Did you give them to me? Oh, thank you. Appreciate it. Vice Mayor, your voice rating. Okay. So, John Salvig, you get to go first. You're a neighbor, too. You're right on I'm on L Street. You're on K Street. K Street. Yeah. Am I on? Same block. Name. No. No. You need to record on YouTube world. Name and No, there you go. You're on. Name and address. Now, am I on? There you're on.

I can't I don't hear myself, so I just talk loud. John Salic, 217 South K Street. My first uh address is to ask the board even why is this before us? Is there a known safety issue? Is there a known issue? Or is this just someone saying I don't like them? Well, I'm waiting for an answer. You're not going to get one. That's not how this works. Yeah,

it's comment. Well, without the answer to that question, then this becomes really a moot point because if there's no basis for this to be here, except someone behind the scenes decides, I don't like golf carts on the street because to the best of my knowledge, there's no reason they shouldn't be there. There's no more dangerous than than the cars on the street. I mean, the guy that was here earlier talked about someone getting run over by a car and getting killed. The last I heard, no one's been killed by a golf cart. There's been no issues in in a big way. Maybe you don't like them because they take up your parking spot. Maybe you don't like them because they park crooked in the street. Maybe you don't like the fact that we drive around with decorations for all the different holidays. But just because you don't like that someone does something doesn't give you the right to stop us from doing it. That's my libertarianism. If you just because you don't like something doesn't get you to stop someone from doing you don't want to do it, you don't want to have a golf cart, don't drive a golf cart. You don't want one, don't drive one. You don't want a gas one, you don't want electric one, you don't then don't drive one. Drive your car. You want to pay for parking, pay for parking somewhere. But don't stop the people that want to drive one from driving one. And if you want to get into the uh environmental issues, most of us drive electric golf carts, so there's no real environmental, there's no pollution. If we all started driving our cars down into the street and started driving cars all over the place, there'd be a lot more pollution. And I did have an issue, this is going way back, where they didn't like motorcycles in Port Jefferson and then the motorcycles all parked in every parking spot because they didn't want them parking where the ferry came in from Connecticut because it looked bad. People didn't like it. Well, then the motorcycles in a in a grassroots effort, took every parking space, one motorcycle, one parking space, the entire city up and they didn't like that either.

Thank you, Craig. Thank you. Next time just listen to us on YouTube and then come here 10 minutes before your item. Craig Frost. A lot of assumptions in that. A lot of assumptions in there. Craig Frost. I do. I'm Craig Frost, 323 SouthH. Um, may I just get a clarification before my time starts? You started now.

Okay. On the piece of paper it says golf carts, but I know in a lot of the wording you also talk about LSVs, two completely different things. LSVs should not even be in the in the discussion. As uh you know, one of the circuit cars is LSV. Also, when the GFream opens, they plan on using LSVs. Also, um golf carts or LSVs, either one. uh you really should uh pass an ordinance allowing the golf carts themselves on the city streets. Uh you may not know you do get a lot of people from other cities coming to our city as far as from Del Rey on LSVs and also golf carts. Um so if you do that, you'd be kind of eliminating people. You don't want to ban someone coming in the city from, you know, in our city from another city. You don't you don't want to do that. That would be kind of foolish. Um they far as environmental, yeah, an average car weighs approximately 4,000 pounds. Golf cart weighs less than a thousand. Uh way less stress on our infrastructure, much more efficient. Most of them are electric, but even the gas ones are much more efficient than a than a car. Um, so I would ask you I don't I don't really know how what direction you're going with this, but I would ask that the commission does come up and vote on an ordinance to allow golf carts officially on the city streets. Thank you.

I wouldn't work with any assumptions that we're here to stop golf carts. Madame clerk.

Yes, madam mayor. My comment is from Greg Richtor, 1202 South Palmway. Good evening, madame mayor and city commissioners. I am writing tonight regarding the discussion of golf carts on public roads. I own and most of you know I use for primary transportation a licensed and insured LSV. This used as our second car and primary mode of transportation in and around town. In reading the backup, the concern seems to be safety. However, if there that were truly the concern, why are you just addressing the safest mode of personal motorized transportation? While local data is pretty incomplete on the national level as provided by the national emergency room database from 2017 to 2023, there are almost 11,000 reported injuries from golf carts. 70% of those are drivers between the ages of 12 to 15 years of age. The most dangerous item are gas powered scooters, the ones we see packs of kids driving all around all over town and never stop at a stop sign with 304,000 injuries. Followed by ecooters with 189,000 injuries. Ebikes, which are the fastest growing category, had 45,000 injuries. While the data is still incomplete at this time, this is the fastest growing group of injuries and it is expected to surpass bicycles this year. Golf carts are clearly safer than ebikes, e- scooters, and gas power scooters. I ask that when you are out, see if you ever see someone actually stopping at a stop sign with one of these. Thank you for your time and service to our community.

Thank you, Mr. Victor. Uh yeah, I mean I think when we took the the scariest thing that I see is a 13year-old or a 14-year-old, you know, and I've seen it more with this like northwest corner of the city where the streets are a little bit wider and there's more people that have golf carts, you know, like bunch of teenage kids careening against around a corner. That is frightening to me. Um, but I think what this tells us is that we can actually, and correct me if I'm wrong, that we can actually proactively determine that golf carts are allowed in the city. Yeah. That we would designate certain streets and they can cross, you know, the the statute actually, thank you for the statute on that backup. Um, actually, uh, you know, they have to be registered. They have to be, you know, we have a lot of people here that have um there's two different things. Make sure you're not

Well, the LSV is has to be um the LSV and golf cart's not the same thing. I understand that. I realize that. Oh, okay.

Um um the golfer may be oper sun golf equipped with headlights, brake lights. I mean, there are requirements for these golf carts. headlights, brake lights, turn signals, and a windshield. Um, brakes, steering apparel reliable steering apparatus seems like a low bar. Um, safe tire, you know, that's if we're going to if we're going to do this, that's just the standards that apparently the statute says is those are the requirements that we have to have. Um, who who put their light on first? Mr. Mr. Sage. Thank you, madam. Sure.

Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um, in in reading through this, um, I I do think we need to be, um, careful with the distinction between LSVs and and golf carts. I think LSVs should be allowed everywhere throughout our our city. To me, that just makes perfect sense. They are a major source of transportation um, for our residents. Um, a lot of our elderly residents utilize them. Some of our disabled residents utilize them. Um they they just make perfect sense. In terms of golf cart golf carts, um I believe that we should designate um our neighborhood streets to allow them. Um I believe that we should require a driver's license um for that. I do not think they should be allowed on sidewalks. Um, but I think, you know, as we sit here and we say, you know, we are a charming, quaint seaside town,

golf carts are are a part of that. Yeah. You know, it's a part of the culture. Um, and uh I I think we should be encouraging more of that because you're not going to take your golf cart all the way down to Fort Lauderdale or Miami or maybe the more adventurous ones will. Um, but you know, if you're if you're riding in a in a golf cart here, chances are you're you're shopping and supporting local. Um, and and I think also it just adds to to the great vibe that we have. You know, all the holiday carts and and everything. So,

I I want to make sure that um they're not running a foul of of the state ordinance. So, I would be very much in favor of directing staff to putting together an ordinance that um designates our our streets to be golf cart friendly um with the one caveat of requiring a driver's license. Um because the very few incidents that I've heard of with golf carts. Um a lot of that had to do with very underage drivers. Um similar to the uh ebikes and I know that's something coming back. Um, so I won't muddle the waters today. Yeah, I I don't think anybody here's wants to get rid of golf carts. Um, Miss Mlea,

the ebikes and all the scooters are different. Oh, yours are on. Okay. But it's okay.

I just want to point out the I just wanted to tackle just the driver's license thing. Um, I I I don't know, Elizabeth, but I worry about somebody who may not have a driver's license to drive a motor vehicle using this as their form of transportation. I'm not talking about a 12-year-old. I'm saying somebody who is of driving license age that may not have a driver's license because of the choices. So, if you designate roads for use by golf carts, the statute automatically allows um if you are under the age of 18, you have to have a valid driver's license or a driver's learner's permit.

Okay? If you are over the age of 18, you have to have a valid Florida identification. If you adopt an ordinance that has more restrictive regulations regarding operation and equipment, it may only apply to unlicensed drivers. Say that again. So what you say covers the kids, but if somebody was equipped with an actual driver's license, if they had a if they had a valid Florida ID, they would be fine. So that if they got pulled over or something, they could show who they are. Correct. But they don't have to have a driver's license. Just trying to be sensitive to people who may have made a not so smart choice in the past and still want to work and get to work and have a form of transportation.

But that's so but if the Florida statute says that and but under 18 you have to have a driver's license. Correct. I mean I don't see any reason why we would need to change Florida statute. I think that seems pretty reasonable. I mean I'm a little nervous about people driving anything if they've made bad choices in the past. Okay, fine. But for you may have chosen maybe you grew up in New York City and you never had a reason to have a driver's license and you move down here and you get a golf cart. I'm not okay forget bad choices. So not everybody has a driver's license nor chooses to get one and according to state statute as Elizabeth said you don't need one. So I don't think we should I I would not approve that because I think it it limits people's options.

Um whether they are not you know a a car driver doesn't mean they can't be a golf cart driver. Um, and then the other thing is because we have to be careful that we're not um, it's good for the goose but not good for the gander because we use the golf carts from the golf course at the staff uses them and leisure services uses them so on roads. So we can't be both. So I would suggest that we do say there's a separate provision for law enforcement and for local government staff for use of golf carts.

Okay. So but I do agree that we should be we should designate them and I think that it's said in there specifically um although my question is the roads that we own we can designate that. The ones I'm questioning I I would say obviously Dixie Highway I would take it off. You can cross it. You can't drive on it. It's too fast. But I also wonder about 610th and federal which are DOT.

So the statute provides that roads that may be designated are any city streets, two-lane county roads that are within the city and you may cross a state road that intersects at a a designated city street if DOT has reviewed and approved the location and design of the crossing and traffic control devices. Okay. So, which ones are which ones are which in our city? You said you said there's state if it's a state road, you can only cross it. So, you can't be right. You can cross it. No, you couldn't drive down Lake because we don't own those, right? But you could go across it. Correct.

You get That's weird. You can't drive down them. Is there a way to override? Can we We can't override that. We could buy we can get lake and lousern from the state like we should have done a year ago but that's another conversation. Okay. So barring buying lake and lern can we so it you can cross it. You just can't drive down it. Correct. So you could go down first. Yeah. And then come AC. Okay. So and then so we would need um to give you direction basically to come back with this as a um

an ordinance. as an ordinance because I'm what I'm hearing what I'm hearing and what I'd like to see is, you know, to be as golf cart friendly as possible because I think it does go with our mobility plan, our complete streets and and we'll tackle the the um the the scooters on the on another day, but that's where I am on this. Yeah. Yeah. Would you like to allow use between sunset and sunrise? So, the golf carts themselves that do not have lights on them. Well, if you do allow it, they have to then be equipped with headlights, brake lights, turn signals, and a windshield. Well, of course, nobody should be driving it at night with doesn't have lights on it.

If you don't designate if you don't authorize that use of golf carts on roads that are designated is only through from sunrise to sunset. But we can we don't have to be that restrictive. You have to authorize the additional time. We could say 11. It doesn't have to be sunset. Correct. So, we can authorize them at all times. You can. Okay. Then, but uh but just make sure do we have to say that they have to have lights on at night or is that kind of a given? We would include that because they're allowed in the other times to operate at those times they have to have this addition things. They have to have the back and brake lights

visor not by the reflector that kind of thing or no. Yeah, they have and the LSVS have to be licensed and insured. So all all golf carts for use on designated roads have to have efficient brakes, reliable steering apparatus, safe tires, a rearview mirror, red reflectorized warning devices in both the front and the rear. And then to be used at night, you allow them to be used at night. They also have to have headlights, brake lights, turn signals, and a windshield. Sounds good to me. really sure. Yeah, that's brake lights and turn signals are kind of good. Um, okay, Miss Mlea, thank you. I thought you only had one thing that I did. Okay,

it just blossomed. Did you remember? Blossom. I did remember those time. Um, so I would like to have a cut off because I know some of the people in town and I know where they frequent and I'm not saying anybody in this room, but I am not in favor of people drinking and driving in golf carts. And I don't want to see a catastrophe happen. Um, and I think that having golf carts and people leaving bars or restaurants at 2 o'clock in the morning is a recipe for disaster. Um especially when we have people Scoot, I'm talking. Yeah, that's Especially when we have a lot of um people who come here who aren't familiar with our one-way roads.

And we already see that happen on a regular basis, people driving the wrong way. So, I'm just And I had a golf cart. So, it's not that I'm not I'm I'm not anti-golf cart. I love golf carts. I love LSVs. I just want to make sure that we're protecting our residents. And how are the people who own golf carts and LSBs going to know that they can't drive down Lake and Loosern? I mean, are we going to put up signs and say no golf carts or LSBs? Like, I don't want PBSO to pull somebody over and write them a ticket because they didn't know they weren't supposed to go down Lake. They were supposed to either go north or south one one street.

That's folks. Really, don't please, sir. Really, we don't do that. So, I just want to know how are we going to again, I don't want to write an ordinance that's not like the no smoking at the beaches and the parks that we can't regulate or enforce or educate. I think we need to educate. This statute does require that you post signage or otherwise inform your residents that you have an ordinance and where and that it will be enforced. And so that may include signage of that, you know, golf carts allowed here or, you know, if you were going to post where, you know, it could be no golf carts past this, you know, intersection this way when it's coming to roads that they can't cross or things like that.

Okay, so hang on. I'm not done. So that leads me to the picture that I passed out to the rest of the commission. I took this picture in downtown Delray Beach on January 21st. downtown Delray Beach has designated golf carts parking all the way down the train tracks right next to the pinball museum, which is an amazing place. Um, and I thought, wow, how user friendly because I heard you say someone say that we they park a little willy-nilly sometimes in the street. I want to support this, but I don't want to just support it and say, "Good luck." I want to say, "Okay, we're putting money, we're putting time, and we're going to do this right. We're going to designate so many spots on either J Street or in a public parking spot for designated LSV and golf cart parking. I want to make sure that we're doing an educational component to this. I wish that we could institute a parking permit so when they got their permit to be able to park in a golf cart spot that they would know the rules. I just don't want to see people start getting tickets for not knowing this ordinance is in effect. So to me, if we had the parking permit program ready for residents for the beach, why couldn't we come up with something for the golf carts? Okay, we love you golf carts. We love you LSVs. Here's the rules. Apply for your permit. Here's your designated parking spots throughout downtown. Abide by the rules and let's all get along and save the world and not have high high cost of fuel.

Are you saying you couldn't park a golf cart in a regular parking space? I I'm just throwing ideas out there. If we're golf carts don't take up an entire parking space and if we're already confined down parking it's like my little mini Cooper doesn't take up a whole spot. I feel like I should be able to turn it sideways and let somebody park next to me. Um I just feel that we need to do this with a full plan, not just write an ordinance, throw it on the books and and and not have a a business action plan behind it. That's my only thought process. And I'm seriously looking to the network because it's it's the golf cart. I told you I owned a golf cart up until a year ago. I mean I become a supporter.

Okay. Um, Mr. Segridge, I have I have a question. Wait, I do have a question. Does homeowners insure if we on a golf cart, which does not require registration and insurance, what happens if there's an accident with a golf cart is does their homeowners insurance take care of it. You're just screwed. That's unfortunate. Well, but they don't. Well, motorcycles you have to have insurance for. You don't. Jesus Christ. I'm going back to New Jersey where it's safe. Okay, Mr. Mcfoy, let's I know that Miss Millga wants to get out of here, but Mr. Mayo, you

uh just very quickly, um I I'm agnostic on golf carts, although my wife will get mad if I say anything about one way or the other, um because she likes them. But um I just hope that when we get to the later discussion here I'm I'm hearing a lot of support for L SVS and golf carts which I think is fine. Um I do hope that we will be equally supportive and thoughtful when we get to electric bikes um because they also are a ser and scooters a serious mode of transportation for a fair number of people. So, let's and I'll look to that support when we get that far. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. uh who's next? Who's ever next? Mr. Segridge. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um I do understand Commissioner Mlea's um desire for an actual plan behind it.

Um as it stands right now, according to state statute, golf carts are not allowed. Um and so they could be getting ticketed everywhere. So, I'm I'm less worried about enforcing in that we're kind of opening up and and and lessening that risk for people because as it stands right now according to state statute by default they're not allowed. Um so um but understanding parking and and perhaps making um adjustments there. I think that's part of a bigger picture um of of parking downtown and I think our consultants should take that in consideration because this is a valuable mode of transportation. It would be nice to have that. Different cities that I've seen had different parking configurations that worked out really well. So, I'm I'm good with right now, you know, giving staff the direction to say, "Hey, we're in support of of allowing golf carts and let's let them come back and we can discuss the finer details on that." But I'm in agreement that we need to have a true plan behind it to educate and and enforce, you know. Yeah. Um I I'm I don't know if I'm in in favor of of the time limit uh controls and the assumptions that, you know, um it's going to prevent drinking and driving. Um, you know, if pe people, you know, they still drink and drive in their cars, they drink and drive on their motorcycles, they drink and drive on bicycles. Um, I I don't know if if if singling out one group of individuals is necessarily fair. Um, and saying, "Hey, you can't bring your your vehicle downtown because you're a golf cart." Um, versus a motorcycle or um a regular car at at that point. So, that's it. I guess the only difference is for a car or a motorcycle, you do need a driver's license. That's the only difference. You need a driver's license. All right. So, where are we? Um, we have one public Oh, I'm sorry, Miss May. Thank you. Um, with all due respect, I think it's quite an assumption to assume that people are

just any just because they're having a golf cart and they're downtown and they're in a business that they're drinking and driving. It kind of was. Um, so I do absolutely do not agree that we should put any you Okay, so you can't drive your golf cart downtown after dark. So yeah, she did. She wanted to put hours on it. So therefore, you're forced to take your car, which is £4,000 versus 1,000 lb. And you could I mean, I'm going to be down there. I haven't drank in 19 years, but oh god, I could take my golf cart downtown. That's offensive.

No, you missed I'm saying being hit by a drunk driver. But it's you could get you could get hit by a drunk driver in a bike. You could get hit by a drunk driver in a car. You could get hit by a drunk driver in a ladies. I was just showing ladies take a deep breath. concern for what happens downtown after a certain time at 10 11:00. People are driving their cars, too. And that's why I don't want somebody getting squished in a golf cart. You're a lot more vulnerable in a car. I think that you were taking away personal choice. But you're not you're not you're not saying you're not saying restrict the hours. You said sunset, right? Your mic is not on. Okay. The may the Yeah, we're not doing this. Will you decide we're not doing sunset? Well, that's what this that's

what the ordinance is what it says. If we do it, we don't have to do that. Correct. Right. Are you suggesting that we should do sunrise to sunset? No, I don't. Okay. Okay. We have one. Madam clerk, do you have any public comment? I have no more comments on any items, Madam Mayor. All right. We have one comment from Miss Develin. Sorry, maybe I misunderstood. I think he did.

Good evening, Laura Delin, 727 North J Street. Um, I'm I'm kind of confused about why we wouldn't want someone who is mo driving a motorized vehicle of any kind not to have a driver's license. I just don't understand that. Um, I'm out walking with my dog now. You see my dog and the golf carts are coming down the street. it's dark, you know, and they're coming down kind of fast sometimes. And I just don't understand the concept of if somebody loses their driver's license, for instance, for drunk driving, they can now go out and buy a golf cart and drive around and they have not earned a a driver's license. They lost their driver's license. They don't have a right to drive a regular car or a motorcycle, but now we're allowing them to drive a golf cart around if they not able to hold a driver's license. I'm concerned about that. I'm concerned about whether or not we're making sure that people can't drink in their golf carts. I know people drink in their golf carts. I know people drink in their cars. That's illegal. You get arrested for that. We're going to allow people to drink in their golf carts and say that's fine because it's not a car. So, I just have a lot of concerns. I think that the golf carts should be regulated in the same kind of ways that a actual motor vehicle is because it's a motor vehicle. It's a smaller motor vehicle, but still a motor vehicle still can cause harm, can still weave in traffic, cause an accident, hit a child, any number of things can happen. So, I don't understand why you would want to have an exception for not requiring a driver's license for a motorized vehicle. Also, you should take a look at these electric scooters which are going down the street that

faster than cars are and the electric bikes. Thank you. Right. Yeah. No. Well, state statute that you don't have to have a driver's license. Correct. Correct. Right. Thank you. Oh, I'm trying to keep I'm trying to keep an eye on the lights. All right. So, do we we don't have a motion. Mr. Mayo, do you want to make a motion? I don't think we we don't need a motion. I just consensus what the consensus was.

Very briefly, I I believe it was Commissioner Segret who proposed that we should ask for a license. Um, and I think the comment that we just received does make some sense. I understand that it restricts personal choices and so on, but you know, society has all sorts of regulations and that doesn't seem like an unreasonable one to ask for a license for that. it. They are relatively big vehicles and maybe that's not an unreasonable. So I would be in favor of I'll go on record as being in favor of a license.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we can't be more restrictive than the statute. So, your ordinance may be more restrictive as to regulating operations and equipment required for golf carts on designated streets, but those more restrictive regulations only apply to operators uh without a driver's license.

That is very I know. So, if you if if you, for example, if you wanted to say you you can't operate the golf cart unless you have a driver's license, that would be a that would be an acceptable uh restriction that is more restrictive than the statute provides. If you want to say that everybody driving a golf cart has to put flashing lights on the top, only unlicensed drivers would have to do that. That makes sense. All right. Um, but I don't think there's a a movement up here. And I understand there's some concerns, but I don't think on the DIS we're asking for driver's licenses. Yeah. But do they have to be 16 years old to operate?

If they are under 18 years old, they have to have a valid driver's license. 15 or 16 or 17. So, do we have to put that in our our No, that is state law. So, if there's a 13-year-old driving a golf cart, it's against the law and then they're going to be in trouble. Yes. Right. Because somebody had mentioned kids driving around earlier. Okay. All right. So, I think we have direction. I think so. We um we will do our best on the streets and if we get it wrong, you'll let us know. We will let you know. Shocked. Thank you. And I want to publicly apologize if I got what Commissioner Malika was saying wrong. Say, "Please remember the west side of the city. Please remember."

Well, no. Traditionally, when we map out the the streets that we only focus on the downtown area. We we need to remember the west side of the city. Every every every part of the city, which technically if you're on the west side of the city, you wouldn't be able to get downtown now because No, you could cross it. No, you could cross depending she said one lane. So to cross any state road, there has to be approval by DOT, right? What was the two-lane thing you said? That was county. County. Okay. Yeah. So we'll have to ask approval from the state for a federal and uh for cross.

So we'll bring that for you for discussion and make sure that you all agree with where it's going and then we'll seek that DOT approval before we bring the ordinance. Well, no, not they just Well, you're you got a fancy one. Oh, baby. Okay. Uh it's getting late. Uh all right. So we have I think one more. Yeah. Anony's discussion and direction regarding an application for a limited moing zone. Um, which I'm glad to talk about this. I was spoke about it a few years ago and I was just solidly turned down. Uh, Mr. Sigret, you want to go give a little Sure, Madame Mayor. Sure.

Um, so when we first got consensus for this, um, it was prior to the state passing some new laws. Um, the state's actually given us a little bit more power on on what we can do. Previous to that, this FWC limited mooring zone was kind of the only way we were able to um, regulate free mooring. Um, but as you guys know, the state made that change and a lot of municipalities around us have been adopting essentially no mooring zones um, throughout their their land. The city of Lakew Worth Beach is kind of unique in that we really own directly up to that 20 foot wide uh channel of the inter coastal. A lot of the other ones do not. Um so we have an opportunity uh to regulate that. Um, I don't believe the FWC limited mooring zone is the necessarily appropriate function that we're we're looking for right now, but the the spirit of what I was looking to do was to not allow just free and random mooring in especially in our Snook Island um nature preserve, those areas and and out in front of the boat docks um for various different reasons, but most of all environmental. Um, a lot of those boats are discharging. Um, we have people living on on them. They create navigational hazards. I think more than four or five times I've I've had to contact the city manager's office about a boat that has broken free and was in danger of ruining our dockage.

Um, so I think the discussion, you know, hopefully can be quick, but I wanted to make sure we gave staff the the go-ahhead and and saying, look, you know, right now we don't want mooring in our waters. Um and then um you know in the future I I think it would be behoove us to perhaps you know explore a city mooring field um as part of some of the stuff we're doing with the the Bryant Park fishing pier as that goes out and and so on. But for right now, let's at least start with not allowing the mooring um so that we don't get any more boats. At my last count, we were well over 36 um boats that are that are morowed um in the Snook Island and then around they they go around the corner by the golf course and kind of hide. Um it's becoming a real problem and every week that goes by more and more boats are getting dropped off and these are unregistered boats. A lot of them they don't have FL numbers. It's really difficult for law enforcement to find out who they belong to. it. Every week that goes by, it's going to cost the city thousands and thousands of dollars for every new boat that arrives. I saw one come the other day. No FL numbers, VIN number scraped off the hole, backing it in, dropping it off, and that's what it is.

Yeah. And oh, they dump them here. What was pirate ship? They, you know, scraped the No, they had they had no they they scraped the VIN number and they had no FL numbers and abandon them or Well, they live on them or they live on them or they abandon usually they live on them. Um, very few people are just docking them there. So, I wanted to give direction to staff to go ahead and and put something together that will just like our neighboring cities have done. I think Miami has done it. Biscane Bay, Pal, West Palm Beach notably um just did theirs so that we don't allow it and we can take immediately enforcement action um so that the problem doesn't grow.

Okay. Just so that I understand you because now we do have a lot of boats out there. So, and one of our pro and I think one of something that I know I've been frustrated with for years is you know they're all out there and how do you get rid of them? It's not that easy. So my my first question just to again to understand what you're talking about is at this point like say you can't be here and somehow figure out how to get rid of them. Uh yes. So other cities have figured that out.

Okay. That's just okay. Then number two because I really I did explore this because I think it's it's a potential good thing for the city to have a moring field and you can have it where there's you know boys that are they can on the on the cell phone check in pay their thing. And I love one of the things in here in this in the statute or the maybe the uh administrative code that you know you have to show us how you're getting rid of your waste because that's the biggest thing. I mean they're living out there and they're just dumping their poop in our waters which is ridiculous.

So um those are my two concerns. So so the first step you're talking about which I God bless you and your optimism about getting rid of them because it's been an ongoing problem for as long as I can remember. Um and we've had some success. There was the g the water keepers I think came in and my brother did a few and um now I mean because you have to identify it notify the owner right find the owner notify the owner tow it to like Fort Pierce and nobody wants to do that because it's expensive state state laws helped us there a lot um and and I think well it's changed I mean it has changed for years for years and years West Palm could not get rid of them if you remember like around the Peanut Island area then the whole area

well they they've gotten rid of that. Um so if we can copy them okay and then you know and then so your second step though are you in favor of developing the concept of having a moing 100% and that's why I said the application for the FWC limited moing field I don't know is quote the right first step but certainly let's block them and then figure out how we can allow them and and have it be a positive for the city because it can be a very positive draw and and people come people people vacation. They're they're looking, you know, we we had a lot of success on Snook Island at the docks.

Um but I do recall there was a very nice sailing ship that arrived with a family that were looking to vacation here. Um and unfortunately they had to go um had we had a proper moing field. Um that could have been a family that was eating in our downtown and and so on. And as we look to expand those docks and peers and and have more water-based interaction, it could be an asset. Um, and since we own it, it allows us to monetize it where a lot of the other cities don't have that option in the inter coastal. Um, well, I I love the idea. I tried to do it years ago and I was just completely shot down, but maybe there's been some changes. Okay, I'm going to ask I'm going to call Miss Mlea first because then maybe she can go.

I just I support it. My only concern or I was going to ask is who pays for the towing. Now that's the one of the problems. So the municipality has to pay for the towing but the owner is ultimately responsible for it. So the boat can be sold at auction to pay for that. So sees it. Yeah. Basically um also with the derelic vessel laws um if they get cited and they you know they've got a number of citations because you can cite them daily. um they and they can't pay it, let's say. Um there is an FWC program where if they want to, they can forfeit their vessel to FWC. Then FWC disposes of that vessel. FWC is the one writing the tickets, not the city because we don't have a marine.

Well, it it's a combination. Um FWC and any marine based law enforcement can write the tickets. So then we'd have on marine patrol. They they have a marine patrol. I know they do, but they don't really they also have Well, they they have been helping um they they've been helping and their wildlands division. Um especially since the main area we're talking about is the Snook Island area, which is a designated nature's preserve and seaggrass preserve. It was through um the wildlands division and environmental reasons is how they were able to clear our docks. So, I suspect we can get some major support at least in that area of the lagoon, which hopefully will trickle down to to the other areas.

No, I support it fully. Um, I think that it's Thank you for bringing this forward. I'm thankful that something good came out of Tallahassee for a change um that could actually help us, but I just wanted to make sure that the the burden doesn't go on the backs of all the residents. That's all that's and that find out how it practically will work.

Okay, Mr. Boy. Um, yeah, I I I like what I'm hearing. A concern about shutting down the problem stuff now, but being open to some more organized form in the future as a benefit. Um, I I guess what came to mind at one point is, you know, people live on houseboats all over Holland, and I don't know what they do with waste, but they figure it out.

Oh, they do. Um and uh so I I'm supportive of it as long as we look forward. I too share the mayor's skepticism because I know that you know your predecessor worked really hard on that and tried to get all sorts of an agencies. Now maybe what you've said that stuff has changed recently. I don't know. I'm hopeful that that will help, but certainly I I share the former vice mayor's skepticism um of we certainly don't want the financial burden of shleing these boats around and finding the owners and all that stuff to be on the city that

yeah I don't know how to fix that but generally supportive. Thank you. Okay. Uh, Miss May, thank you. Um, and thank you for bringing this forward. I know you've been working really hard on this. Um, I just have one question and I was kind of hoping maybe the officer was going to come back, but maybe we can answer this. If right now with when they're mored, there's no vessel taking them back and forth from the land to the mored boat.

They might have a ding. Some do. So, some do, but my my question is and especially the ones that are mored right off of the golf course. So, I would assume that they're getting in the water or getting in a dinghy and coming to the golf course and then scurrying across the golf course. Is there a trespassing ordinance that we could handle with that? People no scurrying, no scurrying, no sailor. I mean, it it that's just another way of I I don't know, but I'm sure that when Marty gets to work and they're assessing the golf course in the morning, they're seeing people getting on and off of these boats. We can find out. So, that would be something else I would like to look into. We'll take a look at that.

Yeah, because I mean, they got to get on and off of it. Um, and I haven't heard any complaints from the golf staff about it that they're coming in on the golf course. I haven't heard any. Okay. But I know they use a dingy to come into the little island. we've by the boat ramp. Yeah, I've seen that. Right. And and and clearly the biggest issue is that there is no pump out. So if we ever did have a moing field, we would have to have a dock where they could have the pump out and I'm sure that wouldn't be the end of the world or we wouldn't have it and they wouldn't have that kind of a service, you know, or they would have another service. I'm I'm definitely for that. But I like the idea of let's ban it, figure out the right way to do it and move forward.

But Mimi, they're just for the pumpout. They don't have to have a permanent thing. There are boat services that come and pump out your boat. Boats that pump out. Okay. Thank you. My father used to sail the whole inter coastal from Yeah. Maryland down to Key West. And on on the on the land like beaching on the golf course. That's a seaggrass zone. Yeah. That's

So there's more than likely an environmental reason why you can't beach a boat there and and and that would cover that. But as far as like them bringing their dinghy to our day docks, it's the day dock that governs it. And then um city staff has been picking up abandoned v vessels on on the beach. So you're not going to sleep tonight. Don't worry about it. Um okay. So uh in terms of banning it now, I mean I'm a little concerned about enforcement for that. I mean, if if we're going to be working on a moing field in the meantime, are we banning people from anchoring? Because we have people in our sailing club that like anchor at the, you know, they they take a day sail and they come back and they anchor, not for a long time, but I just want some clarification.

So, they they shouldn't be anchoring right there. Um, they they can use the day docks. That's what the day docks are for. So anywhere in the Snook Island, you should not be anchoring because of the seagrass. Yeah, but I mean south of the bridge, there's some areas that are a little farther there's still no,

right? So So this this would say that that's they can't store their boat there. Um they would have to go to a moing field or a dock or or to store their boat. Um the the the way the way around that would be to establish the limited mooring field requirements where you could say in this particular area you're allowed. I would caution against that in that it's going to be a free-for-all. Yeah. Because we are probably one of the last municipalities to get on the ball and resolve this issue. So that's why that's why we're inheriting a lot of these boats.

Oh yeah, I know. Riviera, when Riviera cleaned out, they all a lot of them came here. Palm Beach is not going to want us to have a moring field, but we'll just have to deal with that. They they stopped the one in West Palm, the Palm Beach people. It wasn't the look they were going for. But we're wider at where we are and so I think it might work out. Okay. So what do we have staff direction to do an ordinance forbidding anybody to anchor their boat there? The the only caution I would add is could we in the process of writing that ordinance since I don't know that any of us here are regular sailors and could we get some people from Lakew Worth who are sailors and get a little input from them. Hey, you might want to do this because I think the concern that maybe the mayor somebody raised that you know unintended consequences. We're certainly going after problem ones, but there might be legitimate use ones. And how do we not

somebody somebody comes down, they dingy in have lunch with, you know, and that's where the day the day docks are. But could we say that they have to be part of the Lake Beach sailing club? You can do that. Official, but I'm saying if you're trying to be kind to the sellers are leaving their boats. They're not. No. No, it's not. Yeah. And they they can use the day dos

and and there's there's there's definition of what it means to be mored. Um it's it's like if you if you go out on a fishing boat and you you anchor up for three hours and fish, you do don't get I don't know the exact hours specification in the state law, but you're allowed to stop for a couple hours. Well, right. That's what I you know, they can't stop you from doing that. But it's it's the overnight, right, is is where it becomes the the problem. Okay. So there's direction from the staff, consensus from the staff to the staff to do this. You're going to be busy.

Going to be busy. So I just want to get a little bit of clarification. So the um exemption in the in the statute is that these regulations don't prohibit local governments from enacting or enforcing regulations that prohibit or restrict mooring or anchoring of floating structures, liable board vessels or commercial vessels excluding commercial fishing vessels within their jurisdiction or any vessels within the marked boundaries of mooring fields. So what I'm understanding is that because of the environmental sensitivity of the areas within the city, the the concept is to prohibit all mooring and anchoring within the city's jurisdiction.

Come here, use the day do. Okay. Just want to make sure.

Yeah. Would would anchoring prohibit like because I I know that a number of people do anchor by the bridge to fish? Um I I'm more concerned with the mooring because they're they're um you know the waste and and that certainly anchoring in Snook Island and those areas is envir environmentally sensitive because they're doing the seaggrass replenishment and so on. Um and that's devastating. But anchoring outside of that area, which is basically it's it's a small area. It's it's between um Bonefish Lats and our docks, that wide part there.

Personally, I don't have a problem if a fishing boat anchors there and and fishes that that that area. It's kind of rare about overnight. Stay I stay with what? No, but it for for me it's about mooring um and and the overnight and I don't know how much of a distinction we can we can we can do there but um definitely no anchoring in the Snook Island. Anthony, maybe you could like define that a little bit to give them language to help them out with that. Yeah. Would you mind doing that? Yeah. No, that's fine. Yeah. I so I've got prohibiting the mooring and anchoring within the Snook Island area and I can look at that the agreements that we have with the county for that area and then um prohibiting mooring with throughout the city.

Okay. Thank you, Miss May. I just think that if you just say prohibiting the mooring and the anchoring everywhere, if somebody's fishing for 3 hours and the cops come, there's going to move them along. Nobody's going to be restricting all of this and monitoring it at all time. I don't think we have to be that specific. I think overnight is I think we just use the the phrase that the wording that's in the statute if that if you don't mind. I don't nobody I don't even know where Bonefish Flats is. So how would you even know that? So I just say there's no mooring there's no anchoring. If somebody is anchored and fishing fine but I mean this there nobody's going to be going over there and saying oh you need to stop fishing right? Let's be frank to take the

We can't even get the We can't even get a mattress out for Christ's sake. But But I do think I mean, we've talked repeatedly here about don't write something that we have no intent of enforcing.

I think it would be better to to write it. Maybe get some input from other sailors, other fishermen if an Mr. seg wants to kind of take the lead on getting some of that input. I think our intent has been the focus is overnight seems to be the big problem right now. How you write that to capture that and not get in the way of fishing and you know somebody local putting their boat out for six hours. I don't know how you do that, but we have very expert. I I think the issues with the anchoring and the moring are going to be if the boat is left there, you know, so if it's whether it's mored or anchored, if they've left the boat,

then that's that's the problem. Yeah. I I think it's more of a a period of time. Um I would be because the the other aspect that you fall into, especially with the overnight enforcement, is having enforcement available. Yeah. Um and and we ran into that at the docks. Um it would have been far easier to enforce the docks if they were 4hour only versus sunset to to sunrise. And that might be something that we want to consider is making the docks 4 hours only. Um not to add more to this topic, but if we But you did. I know. And I would talk with PBSO because do they have the staff to go by there every four hours to see or now we got the bullet?

They actually they actually do go by there a lot. They do go by. I've talked to one of the guys, but I don't I think I think at this point we we'll see what staff comes back with. I'll I'll give some more feedback and and gather some feedback from the community. Okay. Great. Thank you. All right. Motion to adjourn. No, we have uh I'm going to call in district one tonight first. Yes, sir. Thank you. Just quickly, um the 25th of April, um Alexi Cox is having her annual victims walk and she has chosen to have it here in Bryant Park again, which I'm very grateful for. Um I have sent out an invitation to um as many elected officials, state, federal, and local to come walk um and that's a Saturday, right?

Yeah. In honor of um Nancy. So, anybody who can, you do have to register for it. It's on Alexia Cox's website as well as her Facebook page um to register for the walk.

Yeah, I text you guys, emailed, text, I did social media, all of it. Um but if you could come out and walk on the 24th where the city's having its annual volunteer lunchon from 11 to 2. So if you're a volunteer, if you sit on a board, I did send that out to the NAPC and ask them to send it to board members, not NAPC board members, but volunteers for the library board, the BAB, CRA. Um, thank you to HR for putting that together and showing our our hardworking volunteers so much love and and I know that um, Mr. Perry's shaking her head because now they're asking us for money to help support that because I know we just got that phone call.

Um, unfortunately I have given up all my discretionary funds to help with the habitat issue and the trees and the mitigation to get those families in the houses. So I am out of discretionary funds for the remaining of this um, year. If anybody else wants to help, please reach out to um HR or Shona. I know they're looking to see if there's any funds available to help offset the cost. That's all I got.

Thank you, Mr. um Mr. Big Boy. Uh I'm a little I I guess the only thing I would mention is there have been a number of events in the community raising awareness and support for uh our immigrant community. The threats to their well-being continue to happen. Um, I think it's important that it is coming out more and more around the country that the statement that immigration enforcement is going after the worst of the worst and the criminals and the horrible people is proving to be very inaccurate. That 75% typically of most places do not have any criminal records. And um I see a lot more for rent signs around town. I am hearing from businesses that businesses down in some of the areas. So uh it and and certainly deal with plenty of families that feel the impact. I really would ask my colleagues to open their hearts to consider doing something on that and trying to help. Um, that's all I got.

Okay, Miss May. Thank you. Um, I'm actually going to just address one thing tonight. Um, there has there's a sign on the community sustainability building department that says that they are only open to residents twice a week for 3 hours. That's the walk-in zoning.

Yeah, it's the there's a red sign. I'll I can find the picture of it, but that's unacceptable to me. The residents are in charge of this city. If they want to walk into community sustainability between the hours of 9:00 and 5:00 and get somebody to help them, somebody better be there to help them. I am so livid about this because I keep getting people calling me. I've had I got an email today where where somebody's contractor quit halfway through their project because they're so frustrated with the city. They're like, "I'm done. Find someone else that's going to deal with this." Um, this is not this is not customer service. We are not customer service friendly. Nobody should be working at home from home. If I walk in and I'm a resident and I want help, somebody better be there to help me. And I would like to direct the city management office to direct the director of community sustainability to open the damn doors. I'm I'm done. Do I have consensus for us to direct them?

Was the whole I wasn't I didn't think it was just three hours. It's three hours twice a week. That's completely unacceptable. That's for walking. It's like ask a question. You can't do anything there, right? No, I don't disagree. I mean, this is what I mean though, the residents are the boss.

The residents are absolutely the boss. They should be able to be served above anything else. Put your stuff down, look them in the eyes. How can I help you? Period. And we have to change that from the top down. And it kind of goes with what Miss Fischer was saying. So it'll be really interesting to see if the direction from us goes through the city manager's office to the community sustainability department to take that sign down and open the doors. One thing I will say, I mean, what they do for that is like one employee has is assigned to that because if you're working on a project to be interrupted all day, but they do, if correct me if I'm wrong, they do assign a person to be on call, which makes sense.

No, no, I'm not I'm not arguing with you. Take a deep breath. Sorry. um that it should be longer, you know, but but they can there's no problem with having them assign somebody because then that person's not going to be working on, you know, they'll be interrupted. Mr. Perry, did you want to say something? Oh, okay. You look like you're about to Okay, that's it. As long as you guys agree. Yeah, we don't disagree. Okay. Um, well, I was gonna say I was going to say I can I can sense to that, but we we've also, you know, on that note because I I was going to bring up similar. Um, we've given direction on Do I have a motion to go past 10? We don't have to. We're already in there.

That's after 11. Motion to extend past 10. All

in favor? Um it's it's not I just I struggle with is it going to actually be implemented? Um well we we we tried out in instructing policy that that staff was to create a a a businessfriendly approach towards business licenses and and code compliance and that's never happened. Um we instructed policy that staff would conduct employee reviews. to my knowledge, that hasn't happened yet. Um, that was supposed to happen before the new year. Um, so I'm I just I I have a lot of hopes and and expectations on on the new city manager come coming in. Um, I don't know how long that process is going to take. Um I I struggle with whether or not this direction will will actually get done and then what do we do if it doesn't? Um and you know a lot of a lot of these items we've been trying to address for a long long time and I I don't know if it's it may be appropriate to make change now in the interimm between now and when we we we get a new city manager in in hopes of getting some of these things done. Um, so I I'm I support what what you're saying. Um, I I just wonder if if we need to take further steps to actually make it happen.

Okay. Do you I'm sorry, mayor. Um, yeah. Before you start, who seconded the motion to extend the meeting past 10? May. Thank you. Somebody did. Somebody did statements. Thank you. It was very helpful, Mr. Report. H I know somebody did motion. Okay, just before

Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um the other item that that I wanted to talk about was value engineering. Um on some of our projects, specifically like the 1900 project, I'm hearing that we're starting to have to value engineer things. Um, and that sends a shiver up my spine because we hear all the time that the casino complex project went horribly arry because the commission was value engineering.

Um, I would basically uh I would like us to to get a solid report. Are we on time? Are we on budget? Are we value engineering? Is there there anything that we've had to cut out? Um, I have particular sensitivities towards this project because I I did not think it was fiscally wise to do it. We've already added a couple hundred,000 to the budget for it. And now to hear that we're kind of removing certain things out of out of the design or or having to to change without it coming back to us is is a little bit worrisome. So, I would like my my colleagues consensus to ask for a a full update in our one-on- ons and then if we have to discuss about, you know, in in public, we can, but I I really think we need an in-depth understanding of are we cutting anything out? Are we on budget? What's going on?

I hadn't heard any of that. So, thank you. So,

nobody tells me anything. Um, and then, you know, building on on what Miss May said, um, you know, it's it's difficult to to talk about this. we we don't meet that often and have free free discussion, but I'd be interested in hearing my my colleagues thoughts about, you know, do we potentially make a change now um before the new city manager comes in in an effort to get some of these policies implemented and and some of the more tactical stuff that we've been trying to do that hasn't been happening. Um and I think, you know, there's there's a lot that people are focusing on. Um, and it's tough, but I don't know how much more time we need to wait for some of these things to start happening.

Mayor, would you allow some comment on that? I I think that's a useful real quick. Sure. And my comment would be both from Commissioner, can you speak into your mic, please?

And maybe turn it on. Um it my comment relates both to Commissioner Vice Mayor May's um noticeable frustration and I think justified frustration. Um and I think it relates to Commissioner Seg's also that you know we've asked for some things particularly sort of in the cons customer service aspects especially of that department. I would add to that that I've been hearing what we heard some public comment on. To me, it sounds like, as far as I can make out, crazy stuff about sign regulations on windows and doors for businesses downtown and businesses that have been there forever and that they've had the same signs forever. And it drives I I mean the frustration that that Vice Mayor May expressed I share the same like why are we doing this? Why are we and who who is initiating stuff that doesn't seem like it's really necessary or very important and it's very business unfriendly. I don't understand it. Where is that coming from and what can we do to because I I think all of us here are pretty agreed. Hey, let's try to help out the businesses downtown. Obviously, if it's health and safety, okay, you got to do that. Otherwise, you know, clearly there is an element of initiative and and discretion because if you've had a business that's been there for 10 years, the same signage on the door, and nobody's said anything for 10 years, and all of a sudden they're saying something, there is an element of discretion and choice. So let's use that element of discretion and choice to the benefit of our businesses and not harassing them. I would like to consensus from my colleagues that wherever that's coming from, please shut it down. And it relates to the horse or

whatever it was the horse and the dragon, you know, it just seems like and we look foolish in the county. We look very business unfriendly and it's like what's the matter with these people? Why are they going after silly stuff? So, it bothers me. Um, I would like action on it, too. Thank you. Uh, do you have anything else? Okay, go ahead.

So, while I understand and I share same same sentiments on some things, I don't think that it's appropriate or morally correct for us to have a conversation when somebody's not here to have the conversation to defend themselves. So, I would like to stop the conversation immediately because the fact that that person is not here and this has never been brought forward when he was here is bothering me. Um, so that's number one. I agree with the weird enforcement of the dinosaurs and the horses and whatever. Um, but and I said this in the city manager's office two weeks ago, if we don't like the ordinance, it's up to us to change it. Because just because somebody shows up at my property because somebody reported me for one thing and all of a sudden I'm getting cited for other things that I've had for 10 years, if it's against the city ordinance, then I should have known that a long time ago. But if we do not want code doing their job, you can't say code go enforce the code. But look the other way if it's this that's

so here's what happens is we need to tear apart our code and say that's antiquated. Get rid of that. We don't want to enforce that. Whoever wrote that in 1942 that's got to go away. That's on us. And we've talked for two years about having a code workshop. So I don't want us to be hard on staff for doing their job and enforcing ordinances that are still in the books because of whoever sits up here. If we don't like it, we need to change it. We need to make those changes and say we're done. So that's all I have on this conversation.

I my my issue is that we have gave that direction. We have said change this and we we we we have and we we're there there there are certain ordinances we're waiting for for 9 months to one year that we still have not had back. And certain of these things are policy. And I specifically kept my comments to policy direction because we gave policy direction and it has not been enacted. And I understand your your comment about the the person not being here. I don't know the right format to to have this discussion because I've asked the exact questions Mr. McVoy was raising as to who's giving direction on that and the answer is I don't know

and for me that's not not acceptable. So I you know I think this is a conversation we need to have and I would ask legal what is the format to have this conversation or the employees that you all hire directly. This is the forum for you all to talk together there. There really is no other way to handle it. Um, you know, do all we're happy to have discussions with you all to strategize on how and when and you know to package things and think stuff like that. But if you all are going to discuss employees who are under contract to you, you have to talk about them in meetings like this.

Sure. But they should also be present. Have a safe trip. trip. Sorry you have to do what you're doing, but when do you come back? Jesus, that's crazy. Can I ask for consensus to schedule a meeting to to have that conversation? Got it from me. Are we talking about the city manager position? Yes.

I mean, I'll Yes, you're Yeah, we can we can do that. and and I I would just say I understand um Commissioner Mlega's concerns, but I would ask us to step back and say, let's look empirically at what is happening to businesses and what you know is going on and try to figure out, all right, it's up to us to somehow say, hey, this is nutty. Figure out how to not be doing this. figure out how to not be annoying businesses unnecessarily.

I guess that's anything else. No, that was it. So, do do we have to pick a date now or I don't think we have to or sha will schedule that. Um, we might there might be conversations that can be had where we can pick the date to where we can pick a date. Okay.

Um, my my notes are mostly code enforcement and the last time and I'm going to tell you a couple years ago I came down pretty hard on code enforcement and the letter that was published in response from a staff member was extremely unpleasant. I was accused of being a racist among other. Do you remember that? I remember the same.

So I you know that is the department that we have the most complaints about. Um, I have been, you know, behind closed doors for very long, you know, I'm I'm very glad to get some support about this because I just really think, you know, there's here's the dilemma. Here's the code. Enforce the code, but don't enforce I because I'm the thing with the dinosaur on on Harry's bar. I mean, I love the dinosaur, but probably, you know, then I think I heard there was there's no sign ordinance about statues about statues. So, I'm assuming that this the wind load was the problem. I don't know. But I I there's been I mean it's so frustrating.

My veterinarian on 10th Avenue North that nobody sees because he's in an industrial area. He had to take down the big picture of the kittens and the puppies because it kind of gave him you know some privacy but 2J's their whole window is covered with this montage of of food and that's okay. Here's what I mean the thing that makes people crazy I think among other is the inconsistency that you know and I get I and I I'll say this again my perspective is five years as a city attorney 20 years or more representing people that were having problems with code and now being on the legislative is I really you know if we were going to have a code meeting I would like to I would like to be the help with the code um meeting help with the code because we we talked about, you know, reviewing the code. There are c there are certain things we can't because of wind loads, because of, you know, housing. There are regulations that we can't change, but I do think that, um, there there certainly seems to be some room for some leniency. I just got a call today from an old client who he had a post signed, 30 years it's been up there, and he changed the letter, and it happened to the farmer girl. He didn't get a permit. He'd changed the lettering and now he's got to take the sign down, you know, because it's, you know, it went beyond it was the farmer girl had had that done. You know, if they had gone for a permit to get the sign change, they would have been told if you do this, you're going to have to take down the sign. But they didn't get the permit. So, and I don't have a discussion. Let me just um I'm I and because because of my history, I mean I get we all get a lot of phone calls and emails and texts and helium balloons about stuff and I I do know that like I'll get in, oh the city did the city. Well, half of that is true. You know, yes, it took too long to get the permit because they didn't give the survey, whatever the

reason. So you have to take these things with with a with a I guess an empirical view, right? Whatever you scientists say. I look for I look for evidence for other evidence, right? Um but I do think that there is something inconsistent um about how things are done. We uh and oh and we're told that the that a a letter go you know a hello you've got a problem letter goes out first. That's not true. In the past week I have gotten two calls from people going I just got this thing about something and I have to be the magistrate. I can't wait to get to the magistrate. I'm like no you don't want to go to the magistrate. Well I'm not married anymore. I'm gonna be making some money with this. I'm gonna go back to earning money on this right now. I just do it for free. Um, so, uh,

well, don't put me out of business. Um, so what did I just say? Um, so there seems to be a problem. I don't know what it is. I don't

So I do want to have I and I said this in a couple public meeting a couple weeks ago. If you have and I know that there are people in the room right now that are having issues with code. I want to know I think we need to know what they're because some of them are valid and some of them are not. So, what I think it's important to do is to weed out what is the problem. And if we have and I there's a certain um for example, my Jerry the Volvo guy just got a thing about his lifts which have been there for 50 years and now they're he's selling the building but you know they'll be he he got this thing you've got to have these lifts out you know by April whatever. So across the street since n since I was city attorney there is a lot across the street that is just hammered and strewn with uh roofing tiles. I mean it's just it's a mess. Okay. If a strong wind came along and I pointed that out to the city in 1995

and it's still the same. And that's across the street from the guy who's getting excited for something that's been there before. They're blind. So, I mean, and and there's no easy solution. We can't say just, you know, because what what I approach staff, it's like sometimes the theory is what's, you know, curb appeal, right? Which is important. And then the other thing is, well, health and safety. And now that we can't go into somebody's house, health and safety seems to have just gone out the window because we can't f we don't know if they can flush the toilets or they have smoke detectors, which I still do not grasp how that happened.

I I think what we struggle with with this is is that, you know, we can't give direction directly to underlying staff. We have to rely on our policy direction and it's that our policy direction is not being followed. But aside from that they are also looking to us for policy direction right? Yes. No and and we we have we have we have given that you know and I specifically what what's it about but be more friendly? Well also prioritize life health safety over dirt smudges. Um but but you know I mean when we asked the question you know it's kind of like who ordered the code red? Who who told people to go

happen? But some of the things that I'm happening downtown with eclectic, they had to take this there was a little the artist had a little sign like this and they had to take it some what but when when when we asked the question you know who did that to at least have the conversation to ask them the question of why we we we get the answer I don't know and that's that's my problem with it you know I I think you know that that's where we end up having a problem. Yeah. Sure. So,

so that's that's so I do want to have a code enforcement meeting. I do want to pursue this um I I do want to look at some of the things in our code that are obsolete um without define without going against um state statute things that that have to you know wind load housing codes housing or housing building codes. Um so that's my first thing and I want to get started on that. My next thing is um I would if we're gonna have meetings, we should have agenda meetings before every meeting. We already changed them. You did when we didn't have a meeting last week. We didn't because it was Good Friday. Okay. I was told we didn't have them. So,

no, we voted on it last meeting.

Okay. All right. Good. Then, um here's another thing. Up at the beach in the 90s, we there were there was nothing and we had a giant um citizen project. It was we planted all those all the stuff on the beach, the that now keeps the same I'm like losing my ability to speak apparently. Um the dune the dune right all the nice stuff right there. I have been um one of our citizens is concerned about that that there's quite a few invasive things up there now that if we want to maintain the sanctity of that that we should pull them out and have them replaced. There's a um there's a group um that has done a little survey about it and they're they're they're saying the costs and I'm not saying make a decision. I just want to bring this up that it would be between 25 and $40,000 to pull the old ones out and plant them with native species. And I don't know where we would get the money or how do but I think we invested so much in it and it's important. I think keeping the invasives out of there are um uh would be an important thing. So I'd like to um I'm just going to continue talking to them and uh see if we can't maybe the tree money or something. Do you see that as a thing that's I mean getting invasives out of something that is was such a public uh effort?

Mr. McCoy, I I I've recall seeing some things that I thought I should pull out. Can you turn your mic on, Commissioner? Thank you. Um and I probably have pulled some out just because that's what I do. Um, I would think that might possibly be something that could be kind of like a a beach cleanup, a public thing, but with some knowledgeable people sort of, hey, don't step on this if you can avoid it. Um, and here's what you want to be pulling with a, you know, a few people who know what they're doing, providing guidance, and then public. This is the Institute, the Institute of Regional Conservation.

You've heard me mention them. They're very knowledgeable. I would totally that's who I'm talking to. Yep. Yeah. Good, very knowledgeable people. They would be helpful. I would be in support of that as a a volunteer um kind of thing. I think we also need to just make sure we we identify who we're going to believe as the source of what's invasive and what's not IRC is fine. No, no, and and I I I agree, but we we've had some disagreement in in the recent past as to what's been planted, let's say, in Bryant Park is whether or not it's invasive or not. and members of some of the outside organizations say they are. Our organizations say they're not. So, we just need to kind of pick one of those to trust. IRC is fine. Trust them.

Yes. And she's the woman I'm dealing with is the conservation program manager. So, I'll keep up talking to her and um see what we can do. So, okay. Uh that's all I have. city city manager.

Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um, just want you to know, um, I took a lot of notes tonight of some of those issues that you brought up. And I can say that during most of my 101 ones, these same issues have been brought up. So, it's nothing nothing that I haven't heard this week. And uh, but one of the things and I told you u most of you all that I'm in the process of trying to schedule a meeting. I think I think the code enforcement administrator did schedule a meeting where I'm going to go and meet with the employees that go out every day and perform these jobs and try to find out exactly what's going on and provide some type of direction on how we want to proceed. But you you know in terms of life safety issues and things of that nature. Yeah, I think that's the best way to try to prioritize it and try to get it done. So, you know, hopefully I have that meeting. I got to look at my schedule, see when they have it scheduled for I think it's this either this week or sometime next week and I'm going to take this information back to the those individuals who are out in the street, you know, actually trying to do this job. Uh, but one thing I have to say in terms of Commissioner Ser says something about the um, uh, valuations and review. You're right. And what staff did, they put process in place where we had to actually in and come up with a tool, put it out, have uh employees take a look at it, and so then we'll implement it. Unfortunately, you just can't tool out and start doing it. So, we we try to provide you guys with updates as as we go along on what we're trying to do to get that process started. So, I must say that because staff is working hard to try to get that process done. Uh I I took some notes with some of the uh citizens, Miss Fischer and I think Mrs. Taylor. I gave Miss Taylor my card. So hopefully, you know, she'll give me a call tomorrow and I try to work on, you know, see what are issues to try to resolve that. And Miss Fisher always calls me, you know, when things are going on, I'm going to work with Cole tomorrow, public works. I think we can come up with some type of cleanup day or something like nature and

try to work together. So when the manager, you know, I'll try to give the manager a report when he gets back, but like I said, I clearly took notes and um try to get some of these things done that were mentioned tonight. And in terms of the sign, I take a look at that and find out what's going on and we'll make some corrections on on having that sign. One of my concerns was, you know, we have one of the, you know, we get a lot of complaints about code and now the manager of the manager of the code department isn't even in the same building as the workers. Correct. Which I find a little concerning concerning hopefully that's not too much longer. I think they're trying to work through and get more space over there, but but we'll work on that as well. Thank you.

Um but I did want to point out something. Um you I think the commission received a uh um um notification on Monday, April 6, I guess that our own uh acting manager um M Mr. Brown was uh received his MA uh credential manager candidate designation. So I think it's important that we designate that he's putting in the time and effort to try to improve

uh his you know the his achievements and and and senior management. So I think that's very important that we recognize that he that he is doing that and um like I said before we'll pass I'll pass all those issues on. we'll get to work. But like I said, your your comments are not going on deer. So, we're going to do the best we can to try to address some of these situations. We appreciate that very much. Thank you.

We look to our attorney. I don't have much for you all tonight. I know that there are a lot of ordinances that you all have been waiting for, but I know that you've also been dealing with a lot of ordinances in every one of your meetings. So, we we know you're waiting. They are coming. I promise you they have not been forgotten about. And uh We will get them all to you as soon as we possibly can, including the ones that you added tonight. Okay. With that, I will entertain a motion. Motion to adjurnn by Mr. McFoy, seconded by May. May. Vice Mayor May. All in favor? I