Planning and Parks Committee - Regular Meeting

Monday. Yeah, it's an aggressive play. I don't think I think they're joking about it. She said it's okay. And we are live and being recorded. Does it go into the fall? We have to wait till it officially strikes 5:30. Just to keep true to the agenda. There we go. All right. Welcome everybody to uh City of Wildwood Planning and Parks Committee meeting for today, June 17, 2025. Um we will start with roll call, please. Okay. All right. Uh Chair Galani here. Council member Robleski here. Is it Robi or Robleski? Okay. Thank you. Um, Council Member Troutier, Council Member Attenburg here, Council Member McCutchen here, Council Member Dodwell here, Council Member Rambo here, Council Member France here, and we have a quorum. Awesome. Well, thanks everybody for being here today and uh it's not raining. Supposed to later tonight, tomorrow, but we got a day without it, right? So, all right, that moves us into the next um item on the agenda, which is the election of the chair and the vice chair of the committee. And uh thank you guys for holding off on this. Sorry I wasn't able to be here last week. Thank you, Council Member Dodwell, for holding court. Um Okay. And uh I guess Director Vunich, you want to give us some guidance on the best way to handle this? Certainly. In the past, I've talked with city attorney Young. uh we can take nominations from the floor and once the nomination is made we can then vote on that. If there's not a majority then we'll take other nominations from the

floor. Do you need a nomination and a second? Yes. Okay. Council member Dodwell. I would like to move that Mr. Delani continue in that role. Second. Okay. We got a nomination and a second. Accept that nomination I suppose and then we vote on it. So do roll call vote. You can do a voice vote. Okay. A voice vote. All in favor of the nomination by Council Dodwell, seconded by Council Rambo, please say I. All Any opposed? Any abstensions? All right. Thank you very much. Appreciate that. Enjoy. Uh serve. Well to serve. Yeah, you did a great job. You did a great job. Appreciate it. All right. Well, then let's keep things moving because we want to stick to our time. Uh how about uh take a accept a motion for approval of the minutes from the meeting on Tuesday, May 20th, 2025. Mr. Chair, skip somebody. We need a vice chair. That is very good. Um how about a nomination for a vice chair? Would anybody like to make a nomination? Everybody raise your hands. I'll nominate McCen. Do we have any a second? Do we have any other nominations? I'll second. Okay, we got a second on the floor. Nomination. All in favor of the motion, please say I. I. Any oppose? Any obstensions? All right, questions. We have a cussion is the vice chair. Thank you. Awesome. Um, now we can move to the approval of minutes for the meeting of May 20th, 2025. And that uh we have a motion for that. Council member Cran. I got a second. Council member Dodwell. All in favor of the motion, please say I. I. Any opposed? I'll abstain since I wasn't here. And that takes us to public participation.

Do we have anybody? Um, if anyone that is currently online uh would like to speak at this meeting, please use the raise hand feature and we'll promote you to a participant. Yeah. Okay, no public participation takes us to action items which are park matters. There's six items ready for consideration. First being Village Green phase one update in W 8. Director Rutage, please. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and congratulations to our officers. Thanks for serving. Village Green phase one. There has been progress out at the site. I hope you've noticed. And occasionally when I walk out there after the construction crews have left, I start thinking that it actually is going to look really very nice once it's all done. Obviously, I think all of us here in this room would wish it to be done sooner than later, but I want to assure you that several of our advisors over the course of the period of time of the last 10 to 20 years, Ken Kaitel, gentlemen from another contractor have all said the work is quality. It's just obviously been slow. And part of that is just the weather we've had since the beginning of the year. It's just been in the update of the report. I do want to just touch on a couple of items. First, the trash enclosure, both the temporary and permanent, as an item on the agenda later, and so I won't go into great detail there. We did receive the change order from um Bombshell Construction for the undergrounding of the utility lines that um as that change order was approximately $30,000 less than the original like the duck bank was proposed. So we've seen a cost savings there. We expect another cost savings once Missouri provides their cost for

the work that they are required to do with the undergrounding. Um, also Essen Log Cabin, as you know, we've kind of been back and forth on that. I have a separate report on that tonight as well, so I'll skip over that. And then Village Green phase two, we have separate reports on that as well. So, a lot of lot going on with Green Space. If you're kind of keeping track, um, we paid out our 11th pay application to Bombshell Construction and we are now just about to have $1.5 million of the plus million dollar project. So roughly about 65% 70% complete. You're doing it based upon the budgeted amount. This is what the pay applications have requested to date. We try our best to keep up on the change orders as well. So if there's any questions about those, each and every one of those have been presented to the committee. City is acted upon them and then that action is then forwarded to city council. So I want to assure you that if there's ever a question that's posed to you by a constituent, did you know you were spending that? I want to make sure you can say yes. And here's the background of it. So phase one, um, one of these days we'll have a report and we can all walk out there and see the finished product. I promise you. So any questions, M. Mr. Chair, Council Rambo? Yeah, just um, did do you have a rough completion date if weather holds from Bombshell? when he attended the one the last meeting I believe it was or the the the April meeting he said he thought late July early August was a workable um

timeline for you feeling okay with that I think it's going to be a little later that's what I thought too so um so first of September or something like that can you can are you done okay can you um I realized that I don't understand what we're giving up um by you know because of this change order snafu we're no longer getting a duct bank a duct bank is really handy when you're doing future stuff do we know are we putting in some extra empty conduit there and just not a just not a a formed duct bank or what are we losing um in this change well the there is a section of duck bank that comes parallel follows market avenue down and then comes up a portion of the driveway and then cuts to the souththeast across the parking lot in the rear of city hall. There are conduit as part of that. I think there's four in total. Um so we'll be serving phase one off of the switchbank which will be right down by that street pier that has market avenue and main street identified on it. Phase two actually will be served off. Yeah, there's so we may not need a deductive bank is what I'm getting. Yeah, exactly. Okay, good. Great news. Thank you. Yeah, this electrical issue once we underground these utility lines, we're pretty much set for the future. We've made sure of that as we've had the delays. It's given us time to question a lot of things because this is where Bans will be and they they need electricity and so on and so forth, but you've planned for that and we're everything's on so we're just saving money. So that's great. So when all of this was being designed and engineered, we actually had Glance Staging come out and go green and then along with Reinhold Electric who's Bombshell subcontractor for the electrical work. And we told him, here's

the things we do with our concerts and our our different events. And so the intent was to ensure that not only do we have enough power that if power needs grew, we could meet them without having to come back and make a make a changes. Excellent. Thank you very much. So we took that extra step and the our our our partners in concerts and that were willing to come and help. So that was plus at least a good the good silver lining with the delay is that lag time between phase one and phase two won't be no if as you'll see tonight Melany's pushing the door open and keeping us moving on phase two pretty hard. So that's a good thing. Yeah. and um she was well I'll we'll tell that story later but okay does anybody else have any questions related to phase one updates okay that will take us into Mr. here. I just want to extend my appreciation for your patience. Uh I know it's a challenge. A lot of people ask questions about it. So, thank you. Yeah. And I mean, you know, to what was already discussed, I think we've had probably arguably the worst weather we've ever had in the first five months of the year. Long time. And that includes back in January and February with the winter. It was very cold and icy and snowy and wet. And then the spring has been just brutal. So even now in the summer the kids can't go to the pool because it rains every day. Yeah. So well and I met with Andrew Burke from Kelp Contracting and you know I was kind of lamenting I just wish things could pick up and he said it's across the region. Oh yeah. Rain has just slowed everybody down. Yeah. But then on top of that the wicked storms like you know created a lot of damage and taken a lot of uh crews that have had to shift focus to clean out and that kind of thing. So, um, kudos to all you guys hard work and focus on keeping things moving as best as possible. That takes us to the, uh, second item on the

agenda, which is the village green phase 2 fundraising brochure. Uh, Miss Ribbit. Thank you, Mr. Chair, and good evening, council members. Um, so at the previous meeting, we discussed uh, using unlimited play for, you know, one source contracting and then also for fundraising. And so that was supported by the committee and then also supported by the council. So we've been working with them to um get a brochure put together for the city of Wildwood which is included in your packet. Um this brochure is uh just there will be a link to it. Uh they have a landing page on their website for all the different playgrounds, all the different cities. And so essentially the landing page will um bring them to through this brochure. They will also print out 100 copies of the brochure. And so they pass this along to us. And we did a little bit of editing to it um just to make it more personalized, more wildwood. And see here, there we go. Um so we started off with a story. Some cities go uh you they use the personal story of the child or you know the park's usually named like Avery's park or something like that. We went with uh the town center kind of vision for Village Green which is supposed to be all-incclusive, you know, inclusive of everybody, a place for everyone. And so this kind of echoed that and and basically is saying that now it truly is a place for everyone. Um and so if you have any suggestions or anything um on the language of that that was completely done by the department and um correction completely done by Melanie unless you're done by J but then a limited play also gets um little explanation as to who they are

and what they do. Um then they go through all of the different um options that are going to be in the park and uh they uh gave us the full price of these items. And I kind of went through and made them a more like more in brackets so that it was something for, you know, most people, you know, that are donating a significant amount of money to the park have a bracket starting at 500 and then it goes up to uh $25,000 for the big climber. Um, and so but there's 2500, there's 5,000. Um, and just kind of broke it off into even numbers. Helen, real quick question. You got on here, swing set, two available. Is that just two swings total? Two swing sets. Swing sets. Four total. Swings. Four swings total. Yeah. And so it's but it's uh sponsoring the whole swing set. Okay. So we've got how many swings for play on? That's what I'm getting. Eight. Yeah. Okay. I just wanted to make sure it was more than Yeah, because it's double swings and then I think there's one on the younger side and then one on the older cut side. Um, so there's two swing sets available. And I just we I just kind of took the prices that they actually were kind of rounded them down. Um, and uh, you know, the larger items that were like an individual item as opposed to like the slide that's just, you know, attached to a larger item and just kind of broke it out like that uh, to make it more palatable. Um but if you have any suggestions on the sponsorship costs or if we want to lower them all together, we do have that option and discussing it with them. Uh I mean because essentially the park is funded and so therefore we can set these prices at at whatever we'd like them to be at. Um what do you mean you set the prices at whatever you Well, the sponsorship the sponsorship fees, not the not the prices. because those are higher than

what's shown here. Anyway, um these seem very high. They are. Um is this something they're going to negotiate with us? Well, the the cost of the equipment, no, the cost of the equipment is is what we're paying for it. And th that the the full amount. Yeah. Those costs are actually less than what the equipment costs in order to sponsor it. Asking me, sorry, can you go back a page? Sure. I can't see it that far, but the second row, the third item, what exactly is that? Those are just decorative uh post toppers. So, throughout the park, uh throughout the playground, I have a photo of the playground. Okay, you'll see them here. Um throughout the playground, you see the little flowers and leaves and stuff. They're just decoration. Um so, are they in the ground or on the equipment? Uh both, I think. I think um yeah, so they're built into to make it more decorative. Um but yeah, and so those little toppers would be 500 um a piece to sponsor. Um generally sponsorship for like big equipment and stuff like that is usually by corporations, companies, and not necessarily an individual. Sometimes it's an individual. Yeah, my concern was safety, but I guess who designed it don't have an issue with the safety. Uh, no, no, those are those are just decorative. Um, and they're tall. Uh, they're probably the tallest point in I had a question related to this. So, the sponsorship levels on the back are just general sponsorship levels that you can contribute and then if you wanted to sponsor the specific items, correct? And are there is there going to be like a a wall of fame, so to speak, where all the sponsors will be listed, or would they have a plaque on the actual treat? That was going to be another one of my questions for you. Um, yeah. So, as you

see on the on the last page, it has the sponsorship levels here, and those we kind of made up. They had sponsorship levels in the original brochure that I think started off at a thousand, but I want to say, yeah, a thousand and went up to like a hundred thousand. And so we wanted to make it more available to, you know, lower um lower brackets. And so we started it at $100. Um we can go lower than that. Um but yeah, so we also made more fun names than just like the gold level, the bronze level. Yes. Um can you go back to the f to the cover and then just kind of slowly page inward for the first couple pages? When I took a look at the title on the This is a good brochure. And when I took a look at the title on the front, you know, it does mention playground, but we go several pages before we actually see any pictures of small children playing or happy or smiling. Sure. And I guess I'm just thinking if I'm going to possibly donate to the construction of a playground, people have a hard time resisting little kids that are smiling and having a good time. Okay, I think that's solid. Um yeah, like on what is unlimited play, you could put some photographs in that white space. Yeah. Um, let me uh go back to this is just their standard brochure that they use for Well, let me see if I can stop sharing this and go to their website really quick. Um, so if you go to the actual website and this brochure, you see on the back of it, it has like a QR code or will have a QR code that will take you to our parks page. And so they have this on their website. This will be a landing spot

that they have they'll have reserved for us. um they've already built it. But if you go into any one of these and hit read more, it gives the opportunity for more background and this and and all of that before you actually get down to and then it's got photos of the actual playground. It also has um a video that it's like a fly over. Oh, can't do it from here, but there's a fly over of the park and the equipment. And then this is where you actually get to the brochure. And so there is opportunity. Of course it's not working. It was working. I was on Zoom. But it does have the opportunity for more information for um more photographs and and things of that nature. Um more story. Um but the brochure is just something that uh hopefully the committee that we are working you know that's that's helping out with this fundraising effort and hand out to people. Um, and so we can tailor it. I don't know the extent of how much we can tailor it, but I agree with you. I think the photographs go a long way. And I think that's also a lot of the reason that a lot of these people go with a story, like somebody's story. Um, like usually it's an individual that, you know, was the inspiration behind starting this. Um, yeah, I guess I'm just saying it a bit. If you look at the second and third pages, there's a lot of verbiage there. Everybody's so busy these days. I don't know how many people will take the time to read through that verb each, but if they see all-inclusive playground and they see a couple of happy children, that may sell it right there. Yeah. No, I agree with you completely. And where are we sending these or putting these brochures? Um, wherever we want really. Um, that is up to us. Um, it will essentially, um, let me There we go. Um, so that's that's kind of what we're

looking for guidance on when it comes down to it is that um they recommended that a we have a committee, somebody that you know of of energetic people, people that are well-connected, people that know people um and have a handful. He recommended around five, definitely no more than 10. And it doesn't have to be like a formal committee in the sense that Wildwood is very used to formal committees. you said that they um in a lot of organizations they meet like for a half an hour Zoom call, you know, maybe it's a half an hour once a week at the beginning and half an hour once a month just to kind of touch base with where people are at on things. Um but yeah, so it would be people that are willing to put this out there and and reach out to organizations and such. Um and so essentially your sales crew. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. somebody pushing it, somebody that that has the energy for it, has the time for it and such. Um because they they will get us all set up and they will even train said committee um on the language, provide a 100 brochures and and so on, but they don't actually do any of the solicitations. So that will be an in-house thing to do and so we would have to have a committee of people willing to do that. Um and uh oh, back to your question about recognition. That was going to be another question that I had as far as there are several options. We could do individual plaques on playground equipment. Um we could do one big sign that lists people. Um or we could also do some um bricks like uh dedication bricks and maybe like a path going to the playground. Um and so that's that's absolutely up to us. Um I think the department would steer away from individual plaques on equipment just because equipment gets damaged, needs to be replaced. so on. And uh I feel like if we have a lot of donors, which I hope we do, it can also you don't want a bunch of signs out there per se. And so I feel like doing one

individual sign like a thank you for your sponsorship kind of sign or um individual bricks I think would probably be a better way of going about it. And they're also looking into adding our brick component, our donation u that we are already working on for Village Green into this brochure. Um it's not something they normally do, so they're researching it and uh will add it if if possible. Um okay, so council Rambo and then I got council dad. This is the discussion I was hoping to um to foster with my question which is now sort of prominent. um a lot of the juice for donors and you know benefactors typically they want to be recognized and so having an explicit um uh recognition program in that brochure seems critical to me. If you spend 20 grand on this, you'll get a bronze plaque here in a prominent location that's X size or Y size. If you give $100, you'll get a brick, which is still cool, but it's not as cool. And so, I think we need to tie the donation to the recognition somehow in this brochure. And and sounds like you've thought about it a bunch, but we can't lose sight of that because that seems like the critical piece. I had that same thought. Um, and again, it's one of those things that it doesn't need to be decided right this moment or even before the brochure unless we want to put it in. I think we need I think it needs to be in the brochure. have to delay until you get We do have also like different size bricks that we could do. Um and or maybe for the first, you know, few levels that are like 100 or or whatever it's, you know, maybe it's multiple names. You could even have like a stone plaque, like a stone thing and then have like platinum level. So it's delineated to where if you gave a hundred, you're not getting the same

recognition as if you gave 25,000. So I So one silly example, I I have a a Scarlet Macau at the at the um at the zoo and I've had it for 30 years and so I have this little brass name thing and you got to go in this kiosk and look around and find my name, but it's there. But um somebody I forget who it is has the name. I mean the the kiosk is named for that person or organization. It's a different level. And I'm happy with my little stupid plaque and I could do without the plaque. A lot of people are like that with um bricks and so forth, but there does need to be a hierarchy for Deerbergs to spend, you know, 50 grand, right? And um you know and and put up a sign that says thank you to the Dearbergs family or something. I I would agree with that. Um especially if we're looking outside of Wildwood, we should send them a letter that has 50 and 100 as the options. Their brochure is limited too. Please pick one by Friday. Uh, council do um to dovetail on that and then I've got another issue is um I was going to suggest under these sponsorship levels that you go ahead and include the brick stuff in there too. So that if people are willing to do that, um, you know, make it the the $250 brick or the $300 brick or whatever and put that level in there, too. Um, the other question I had was, um, what if we went back to the planning and design committee for the park, um, those members and ask them if they wanted to be on the, um, money raising committee or if there's any that you might know that would be good at that. I really like that suggestion because

they were an enthusiastic bunch. They were they were very involved with it and are very committed to this working. And so that's why I thought maybe we could do that. And then you can ask your council members if there are any council members that would like to participate in that as well. And if you have any suggestions or would like to throw out names for us to reach out to or want to reach out to someone and pass along our contact information. Okay, that would be also that would be Richard Sturman. Richard Sturman. That man he's No, he's just tireless. I mean, he'll make phone calls. Yeah. Yeah. Involved with everything. I was I was actually gonna I was gonna say Lynn Links at every single meeting. Why not? She knows everything on every topic we talk about. So I just seems to be pretty passionate about Wildwood. So that might be a good place. Um and then I've got Council Member Cuten and then Council Member. Yeah, we could even hit up some of the developers. That is true. That is absolutely true. Um there's there is a list of people, you know, and as as Unlimited Play pointed out, you know, I mean, just given um the the people that live in Wildwood, chances are they work for some larger corporation. And so it's it's getting people that are willing to have those conversations to reach out to people um that maybe they know that that that work for an organization that might be willing to support something like this because a venture like this is something that people want to support and something that they want their name on, you know, and so I think that whose responsibility is to find those people, bring those people together and start this process. that is where we were looking for

direction and that was and so um I think starting with the committee I think that that's a good place to start especially within the enthusiasm behind it. I think that's very helpful. Um yeah I didn't get to finish my question. Oh yeah sorry. Um so I'm a little confused. So we're either having a kiosk or bricks are we having bricks and a key kiosk? I don't wasn't following what the intention was. I think that both have been suggested. Um, and so I I I think from a planning and design perspective, I wouldn't want to have a bunch of different signs out there. Um, and so having like a sign with maybe the recognition being larger up at the top, you know, for the larger donors and such and then go down and have like, you know, smaller or separate section or something like that that but a donor wall, not wall but like a sign per se. Um and and then maybe the donors that donate like top donors also get a brick or something like that. Like you hit a certain level, you get a brick with that, you know, just as part of your package or something like that. Um but yeah, again, we are completely open to suggestions. I think that that's I think the individual plaques on things could clutter it up and also damaging it, losing it. I mean, we have we have to replace plaques on like the trees and such all the time. So, it's a good idea. He was Scott was talking about kids pictures. Uhhuh. Um, so there are some white spaces in there, but sorry. Um, but um there are there are white spaces and I I love wide view playgrounds on there. I think that's super I don't think a lot of people recognize that. So, I'm really glad you included that. I wish I could

take credit for that. that was actually but it it' be really good if they if they have pictures of kids on the playground equipment. They're just showing playground equipment. So if there's any pictures with kids and the playground equipment, you know, or or like Scott said, find some place where there's blank space somewhere. Yeah. And you'd want it to be prominent because it would catch there. Drive that point home that this is about kids. Absolutely. Um, yeah. And so I think that's an excellent suggestion and we'll find a we'll find a place for it. Um, well, there's some there's a couple kids just a couple comments. Um, in my former life, one of them I was oversaw accessibility and accommodations at St. Louis University. So I worked with students and employees in terms of accessibility of campus. um not playground equipment but um working with persons um going back to council member's um you my suggestion would also be as you're looking at adding um children to the picture. You also add children with disabilities to the picture because part of this is promoting an all-inclusive playground for all and doing contacts to see what children would we have that might be a possible connection for some of this. And I know um that may be a tiein for how do we bring all these pieces together um in it. Um I think um council member Rambo also commented my first thought was the zoo as soon as um you're talking about the recognition board or whatever because the the zoo does have that and that's where you go

first thing we did when we got ours was go see our name listed. Um people want to see their name truly and I think that is a part of it. the corporation wants to know that their money is going to a good cause, but it's the individual which we're trying to promote most of this too with um you know certainly the brick is going to have their name and that's their recognition, but I think if we're going to try and promote having those folks um involved, they're going to want to see that. Sure. And it may even be something that it's a part of when you come into the area as a part of it that they can see so they so it's prominent. I know you have a lot already going on out there, but it may be something along the side they can look at. But um I think everybody's comments were great and I'm willing to help with um that piece of it as well could from I feel like there's a lot of ideas that could come into this. there are and it could even be like an entryway or something that you know I think that there's a lot of creative ways to well I'm not talking about the the recognition board but I'm talking about committee or helping with um going forward I don't have the connection to the people that have the money but I have a lot of background in trying to pull together um pieces to help with fundraising and activities. So I'm happy to help in whatever way I can with that. Sounds like we have our first committee meeting. Thank you. Tom can nominate you. I'll second. All those in favor. This this whole thing was brought to us by parents that had children with disabilities. Um, and so I think reaching out to them especially and giving them the opportunity to be part of it, I think is also would be wise on our behalf because if they feel they're a part of it, then they're much more inclined to tell their friends and family members and others that then are going to buy into what we're trying to

do here. Absolutely. And perhaps also we could get Unlimited Play to provide us with like a video of like their playgrounds in action with kids and stuff that we could maybe put on the website. So, um, we can link anything that they like from their website, we can link the video that they'll have a video that does like a fly through kind of like the village green so people could see or like the kids playing on it and that kind. Yeah. Yeah. I don't recall the kids playing on it. And I was also going to say like definitely a recognition board, you know, most likely is the best option to have the different levels is what I would think that people see and delineate. And then perhaps you know those are the different sponsorship levels for the playground park and you have a board that lets people know exactly where to go to see where their name would be and they'll easily decipherable levels so you can see who gave the most and have like you know 50,000 level and have deerbergs or whatever and then maybe a separate campaign or like a flat fee for the bricks like you know 200 bucks for a brick and then you would have your name on the brick but everyone that paid that amount would get a brick and then the actual board would have separate have the bricks as a separate component because we're already discussing doing bricks for village green and so it was going to be a separate component it would end up in a certain like you know donation point then we'd throw a brick in or something as recognition if you gave like 10 grand you don't want your brick in like some back corn you want to be able to see your name on the board with the $10,000 level so everyone Sure well and we can also put them on the website and you know there there are other ways that we can also promote these businesses and and you know recognize their sponsorship as far as that's concerned. Council Rambo. Yeah. I I just want to say that I think this is an important point. If we're asking people to sponsor pieces of equipment and so their their recognition has to be associated with that piece of equipment rather than I don't care if I'm the

platinum level guy. I just want people to know I bought that merrygoround for these, you know, children. And so I think we have to make sure that we make that tie really tight at least on the recognition board rather than just being at the platinum level or whatever because it's not about the dollars. It's about buying the kids something to play on if that makes and that was good on that though. The question is on this thing it has the levels. Yeah. Right. Like you have here like multi-user dish swing 10,000. But if I give 10,000 is it going for that or do I have to fit into one of these levels over here? Um, are you actually buying the equipment or are you buying a level? Well, so it's giving either option, you know, maybe somebody doesn't want to sponsor a piece of equipment or maybe the piece of equipment that they wanted to sponsor is already taken because we are going you're getting those sponsorships. Um, because I think if you're going to do both and I paid for a slide, then I should have a name on a slide. Yeah. If I give a hundred grand as just a level, then you could put me on a board with a level. Do you see what I'm saying? She just that the signage gets Yeah. Yeah. I know. There's But there's got to be a If you're gonna have two separate things is what I'm saying. Like then there should be two separate sections on the on the board on the recognition board. It could be sponsorship levels and or maybe you hit the 10,000 sponsorship level if you buy a $10,000 piece of equipment, you know, and then it's noted the the equipment that's on it, you know. Scott, what if we just I wasn't Oh, you're not done. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Um the the worst thing based on this discussion is um uh you can have so and so is a platinum sponsor for the swing set up in the hierarchy and then you have the monkey bars over here. The person is a gold sponsor or that organization or so and so forth and you can come up with the money that they've put in in a very clean manner and they they will still be associated with the particular pieces of equipment but they don't have to buy the whole thing. Um, yeah, five of us could

share on a swing set. That makes that makes a lot of sense, but I really think we need to do some work in that and it should be on the in the brochure or we'll be missing out. Now, the other comment I wanted to make was a lot of companies uh in back in the day would if you donated to a cause, they would match your donation no matter what it was. And so there may be some leverage there. I guess that's more to to our chair, new chair of the fundraising committee, but Be careful what you wish for. I got council rottenberg and then council. Well, all I was going to do is um I was going to say the same thing with Rob. I'll just endorse what he said about making sure you tie if somebody buys whatever it is a swing that you tie that on the recognition that they receive for their donation. And I guess I mentioned that I I for some people their fondest memory as a child may have been the time they spent, you know, swinging out in the backyard with their best friend or maybe on a slide or a merrygoround or something of that sort. So that'll bring back memories when they see that. It's important, I think, what Rob said, you know, make sure that whatever the piece of equipment is that that's recognized that they did actually purchase that they're Absolutely. and and they've done this and they um a limited play, you know, like they've done the recognition signage and and whatnot. And so I'm sure that they have a nice neat way of tying it all together and recognizing people for the equipment and or for the individual sponsorship of uh um just the donations. And so I think that I think that that that's doable. Um but tracking the dollars would be for the adults, tracking the equipment would be for the kids. And if I'm giving I'm probably going to give some money to something here. And um if I'm doing that, I don't care if the adults know how generous I was. I want the kids to thank in their mind thank me you because

they don't care about money. Sure. Right. So that's the deal. Yeah. Yeah. That's where I'm cutting. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm back on these bricks. So if if you have a kiosk listing certain people with certain equipment and then I thought I heard if it didn't reach a certain level of donation then you have bricks. Where are you going to put these bricks? Um well uh we have plenty of pathways out there. Like we've got a lot of walkways. We have a lot of bricks out there. And so um of Yeah. And and we could even there's a walkway that will go from the the village green oval over to um over to the playground over to the playground. I don't have a good picture of it, but the center walkway here will go connect to the oval. So maybe there's a sponsorship walk that goes into it as you're as you're entering the playground from the from the village green. And I feel like that's high visibility and uh you know people see it as they're going. So, um I think that there's there's options. It's just a matter of what what direction we want to go. Dr. Just so for clarity sake, the western most edge of the oval in phase one be the access point to the eastern most edge of the playground. We also have the restroom facility there. So, we're going to have a lot of hard surface. So, I think we could accommodate quite a few in that area if we choose. And then, as Melanie mentioned, probably there's probably 30,000 pavers out there right now. So, we could start at the western end, work east. We could start in the middle. So, we have a lot of options. So, what would go on the brick?

um some type of sentiment meaning you the family name or to the person or in terms of content writes it usually you have um 25 letters or or whatever it is a number of letters that you can use for your message it may be because it may you may be recognizing you may want to be recognized you may want the names of your children down there something of that sort but will they know that that is related to donations for the playground. I think if we called it the sponsorship walk or something like that, like gave made it know, you know, thank you to our sponsors, you know, maybe we put that on, you know, bricks going across the front of it or something. Um, but yeah, I think as long as it's recognized as such, I think that you would. Melanie, I think with her GIS capabilities, I think we could actually create a map. So if people wanted to go online, I was just going to say that print that out and then it's like your brick is here next to such and such and then carry it with them. And you know, I think we had that at Manchester for the Vietnam Memorial. You could buy bricks in the memorial park and um on the website you could look up and see your brick, like a photograph of it and see where it was at. Um so when you went to the memorial garden does the same thing. Find your brick. Scott Trade Center does it for the blues and and that also gives people recognition on the website there as you know because people can go in there and see um where the brick is and and who's donated and such and so I feel like I feel like we can recognize um our donors in in several different ways. Um, but one other question. Is everybody else? Um, okay. We're in the construction phase right now. Bricks are going to

have to go down before we open the park. This we're just starting. Um, so if somebody says they want a brick, do we pull out the old brick, stamp it, and then put it back in, or how does that work? Uh, I believe they get replaced. Actually, the way we've done it over at Old Pond School is we basically somebody purchase a brick or paper, we get them, we get a new brick or paper, it's engraved, it's shipped, we pull the old one and use it as a spare if any get broken. So, okay, we always we don't throw them away. They become need if we have Well, luckily we have our salt location, so that'll be an easy place to store extra bricks. They're different color, too, so they'll be more visible to the person looking. And we also haven't started this yet. So, if it's going um over towards the playground and such, we're actually at an advantage over like Village Green where we'll be taking them out in order to put them in. But yeah, I think do we want to maybe um seeing as how we've had a little great discussion here and a lot of good ideas that have come up and this is something that I think is it's fun for people to brainstorm and provide their insights. We want to create some kind of I don't know what the best way to get the word out whether it's via the website or something to that effect or email campaign where we could solicit input from citizens residents uh on their ideas related to what they think the best recognition manner would be and what options or something to that effect and maybe give it a short period of time that we could then you know have it come back to the committee and committee members could submit additional ideas and stuff too and bring them and then maybe at like you know July or August meeting we could um you know make a decision and pick certain you know certain things that we would either decide on or send to the council for

them to decide on. We can do this. I think that um uh the only downfall is that it just sets back the time in which we could be collecting sponsorships and this is kind of time sensitive just because of the grants that we already have going for it. So soliciting input, coming back, having that conversation, um it it would be um it would be faster to, you know, come up with a Jack. So are you looking for us to decide that tonight? Um no, I mean if if you're ready to make those decisions tonight, sure. Absolutely. I will not if we need to decide it tonight, we can come up with a a plan tonight to do it. And I was just thinking if we're if this is if this is going to happen in a July or August meeting during that time, we could also solicit. Director Vish, I don't want to sell people something you all haven't approved yet. So, right, we have a design and engineering contract that needs to go to city council in July. We have an equipment purchase that we need to pay 50% of that $730,000 that needs to go to city council. So although as I said Melan's been kind of pushing the door open pretty hard, I think we could come back with something and let you all see what the residents are thinking in terms of appropriate recognition. The first people I would contact was that group that came and presented this idea. What do you think is an appropriate recognition for a playground that's being funded partially by your neighbors? What's the best way to kind of show your appreciative? How would you want that show? I mean, it's not rocket science, but just something that is unique and cool that gives people proper. So, if all were to go well, I'd like to think we could tie up components of the contract no later than August. The one outstanding item, and I'm getting a little ahead of myself, is the construction component, but I think we have time to do that. And I also think we have time then to come back with a more refined version of the brochure based upon all of your

comments. Okay. more pizzazz in the front so to speak and less words and then more p more photographs more things that make it engaging. Okay, sounds good to me. But I think from Melanie and I's perspective and I don't want to conclude the discussion the affordability component we're offering, let's say a range from let's say a $100 sponsorship or a brick paper up to over $100,000. We want to make sure that's acceptable to all of you. That we offer both people that want to participate but maybe don't have the funds to participate at a certain level. Also have an opportunity to bring those corporate entities in. And then the committee if you endorse the committee I think we have one got a couple of other suggestions. Lyn link Richard Sturman. We'd like to start kind of contacting people if that's okay of the committee. Sure. Go for it. Council Rambo. Yeah, you guys have heard our input. I don't think anybody else could bring a whole, you know, something new and innovative that we haven't already thought of or that you haven't already investigated or planned to investigate. So, I'm I would say if we need an a a motion or something, I would move that um we let Melanie do her magic and come back with a what she feels like is a is a brochure that we can approve up or down um in the next meeting. And then the then you can print the brochure and it'll it will we'll kind of be ahead of the game instead of behind the game. So if if that was that was that motion makes sense then we got a second second counc uh any discussion on the motion. I have one question for Joe. Um I believe we were told that there's a disappointing percentage of these brick sales that actually go to the charity and most of it goes to buying the stupid brick. Um,

can you can you speak to those percentages again, please? Well, um, Mr. Lee, our city administrator, has been texting me on and off about the fact that if we do bricks and we do engraving, we have to make sure that we're not paying for the Right. Right. Right. Yeah. And also making money toward Yes. the gold. Yeah. So, um, what we found is, and this was set at city council, you all participate. We set the levels for the bricks purchased, engraved, and installed, and that had a 25% inflation factor with it. So, I think that's a good rule of thumb, and that's what I would suggest here. Yeah. Let's make sure that we actually make money off sponsorships. And that includes the labor to pull one out, put one in, engrave it, buy the brick, all that stuff. Almost. I would almost say with the cost of the brick and the engraving and then double that. Yeah, that's that's that's what we charge. I mean, because if we just do the cost of the brick and the engraving, then we're just breaking even because we got to buy the brick anyway to put in there if they don't do it. Um, I more market based approach. I didn't provide any direction to unlimited play and I was just kind of waiting to see what they came back with as far as the bricks were concerned. Um because I mean again their sponsorship level started at $1,000 so I feel like they have higher aspirations than we tend to. Um but yeah, so we'll also come back with that and see what y there's 500 bucks. If it costs us 200 to do it, then we charge 500 for the brick. And do is we have the we have the cost wildwood celebration commission did this. So we can give you a very specific dollars and cents. We'll bring that back. Let you see it at the July meeting. Well, I think the whole

company already agreed that it's a 100% markup on whatever the cost is. Just do that and we we'll price some people out of the market, but people are quite generous about these sorts of things and they'll give 50 bucks without expecting any recognition. That's the way it used to be anyway. Yeah. You don't want to give somebody giving 100 or 200 bucks and getting a brick. I mean, that's I think that was also with the sponsorship level starting out at $100 is people can donate whatever they want. They can donate $5. We'll take it. No problem. But you get recognized starting at $100 or whatever breaking point that is. And because otherwise we could have a wall. People could donate a dollar and just want their name on the wall. And so I think that that's having some minimum is important. But but what about the people who can't afford to give a $100 or $200 for a brick that are then you're leaving them out if you start at 200% of the brick cost. Oh yeah. I mean it's not meant for everything. to yeah it's like certain levels of recognition like you can still donate 25 if you can afford 25 you just I mean there's no place that gives recognition for a small purpose of the recognition is for higher you see the donors up on the wall with the various levels and there there's no donate donor level for people that only give5 or $10 they can still bring their kids and we can we can put them on the website it's just a matter of not including them on a limited amount of space for like the sponsorship wall. Well, I think they're they need to be recognized in some way. Sure. Well, and we can absolutely have even if they give $10 and because they can't afford a brick. I mean, absolutely. I think they need to be recognized that they've participated as a community for this particular event that we're having. website's an excellent approach because we can, you know, you can have a $100 sponsor or less or whatever that number might be. Or you could just have

recognition starting at 100 or whatever and then below that just you could put a list of names on the website of all other donations or something like that. Similar to like a gofundme where it just has you're talking about plaques or a wall or something like that. No place does that for like any don like there's always a minimum threshold to get recognition on like a a physical structure. The amount it costs us to get the bricks engraved like you know a $50 donation for like a $200 brick. Yeah. I mean this is a community event and I would just like to see everybody who participates absolutely get recognized in some way. 100% agree and I think the website's perfect. Okay. Excellent. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Do we vote? Oh yeah, we got a motion and a second. We've had discussion. All in favor of the motion, could you u remind us what the motion? Yeah, the motion was for uh Miss Rivetto and the department to move forward with making the adjustments to the brochure that we've discussed as well as uh coming up with a a memorialization uh board or whatever as well as the cost of the brick opportunity and uh what that looks like. Thank you. Right. Yep. Did I miss anything? All right. All in favor of the motion, please say I. I. I. Any opposed? Any abstension? Awesome. Thank you very much. Good good conversation. That brings us to the contract with unlimited play for the design engineered plans and construction services for the all-inclusive playground Village Green. Director Vunich. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, members of the committee, the memorandum that you have before you tonight is divided into three separate parts. Those parts represent the components of unlimited plays general contracting role in stage two. The first component relates to the design and engineering

plans for the ultimate construction of the all music playground. This firm Westwood is out of California. They've worked with Unlimited Play on numerous projects not only in California but across the United States and they have provided their work program for separate task. Those tasks always start with um the mobilization, the interviews, those things along those lines, the mapping component, making sure that they know what the land is before they start designing on it. Then the construction documentation and then finally construction administration with the conclusion that construction administration uh includes reviewing shop drawings um as builds once improvements are in place etc. The overall cost associated with this particular proposal as submitted by unlimited play through its subcontractor is um forgot I have it in the memo. My apologize dealing with numbers $185,500 in the memorandum I kind of draw a comparison CDI which was the design and engineering firm for phase one was a quarter of a million pounds so relatively speaking we're getting a lot of service for still an expensive cost but a cost that I see believe is reasonable within the context of risk the firm to do. The second component relates to the equipment purchase. As you know, when Miss McCabe is here with her team, they mentioned that they have an agreement with Little Tes commercial for the playground equipments that are used in these all-incclusive playgrounds. with her relationship with that company. She has been able to hold

the 2024 class that was discussed in actually a year ago through this period of time when we've been working through the different discussions relative to the playground. we can purchase the equipment ourselves and obtain that that that cost savings which she had estimated anywhere approximately 2 and a.5%. The overall cost is approximately $740,000. We talked with Miss Miss McCay today. Um the little tiges commercial needs half of that to be submitted to them and then the remainder upon delivery. And the final component is the actual construction of the facility and that is inclusive of ideal landscape group being the primary contractor for construction and as you can see they provided a list of components. Overall construction from their perspective is in the range of about $2 million and that's inclusive of the the equipment everything. So subtract that out probably somewhere in the range of about 1.2 to $1.3 million. This is for the most part funded. The city council set aside $2 million for the playground. The efforts of this ripto we have $575,000 through the municipal park grant commission and with our fundraising I think we can do proposed. Rodberg. So, um Joe, you mentioned the possibility of um city purchasing the equipment and providing it for this project.

Just in your professional opinion, are there any would that create any logistical problems trying to time the purchase of the equipment um versus letting them do it or what's your thoughts on this? My first impression is that obviously that's something that's always done by the general contractor and all of our other projects. The concern here is is that come July that 2 and a half% price increase will be applied. So there's an immediate cost to us. My understanding from conversations with unlimited play is that we'll pay the 50% now. That'll hold the price and secure the equipment. Then the general contractor will request its delivery and that's when the full payment the remainder of the payment is due by the city to Little Tikes commercial. So worst case scenario is it's timed perfectly with the contractor being ready to pro proceed forward with construction. Worst case scenario is is that we may have to store the equipment on on site for a bit. So but you think this is doable? Yes. Okay. I do. The reason I say it is is that between the group of contractors just that work with the parks, go green, cut contracting, um, e-hill uh, construction. Um, I just think if we if push came to shove and we needed a place to store it for whatever time frame, we have people that would step forward and help us just because we have that good relationship with all of them. So, I think we can make it work. And the cost savings is a benefit. Um, that's tangible. And right now, you said it's about two and a half%. Yes. On what is it? $750,000.

Yes. That's roughly about 19 grand, I believe, if I do the calculation correctly. Yeah. It's not as I mean, the price increase is somewhat surprising. Most things seem to skyrocket these days, particularly when it involves playground equipment, but it's still from my perspective, and I'm sure yours as well, it's $20,000 that we wouldn't have to spend just for a shark delay. So, it's a little unusual. I won't say it isn't, but the whole project is a little unusual using one using unlimited play as the general contractor for all components including fundraising, the nature of the facility, um the sole source for the equipment, etc. But I think it's been I think from the perspective of the department, it's been able we've been able to manage the cost. you know, we started out around two million and we're still pretty close to that and I think we can even eventually have this project much less than what's been identified. Council member Dwell, um since we're sort of the general contractor, um what kind of agreements are you getting from each one of these vendors to hold them to their um bid pricing and all of that kind of stuff? Well, tonight the department will respectfully request a motion to proceed forward with the three components. What that does is allow the department to prepare ordinances for all of it. That'll be at the July city council meeting. So, we'll have a an agreement contract for a better term with all three. Okay. And I assume John or somebody will review that from the attorneys. Then I'll make that motion. Seconded by council Rambo. Any discussion on the motion? Council Rod.

Uh, no discussion necessarily, but just a question for for us to proceed in terms of buying the equipment and providing it. Is that part part of what we're voting on here right now or do you need that as a separate motion? I take it as part of what we're voting on now. Okay, that's fine. We're hitting all three of these points. Yes. Right. Okay. And then one question I have pertaining we since the council's already approved the expenditure. This doesn't have to go back to council now we can approve this here. Do you guys move forward with it or does it still have to go back? The contracts I think have to go back. The equipment purchase given that we don't meet before the beginning of July. The thing I don't know and I'll find out here shortly is the price increase that Little T commercial is going to move forward with. Is that the end of July or the beginning of July? I don't remember. I I'm not positive either. And I reached out to um Natalie today to get her input and I haven't heard. So that's the only question I can't answer tonight. If it's the end of July, obviously you'll see it at the July 14th city council meeting. If not, then since money has been authorized for this, guess tonight, if you were to support the motion as presented, we would at least pay half of the cost for the equipment. And price. Yeah, let's let's go ahead and include that in. That's good. So, okay. Any further discussion on the motion? Seeing none, all in favor, please say I. I. Any opposed? Any abstension? Awesome. Thank you. Thank you very much. Pretty easy, aren't I? That brings us to the next item on the agenda, which is partner park and the final draft of the master plan.

Thank you again, uh, chair and, uh, council members. Um, so, uh, Partner Park, uh, we haven't chatted about it here in a while, but, um, the ad hoc group got a slow start, but they certainly made up for it. Their first meeting was in December in which the department provided them some background information on the park. Um, and um, I mean, essentially the the property is about 25 acres. It was donated by uh, Miss Joanna Yoast. um and she had some regulations uh that some some contingencies um uh as far as as far as the park is concerned. I'm actually going to go ahead and pull this up already. Uh so we created a story map uh that got sent out to board six members um with background information on the park and I figured while I was going through all this information, we could multitask on that. Um, and so essentially the property, this gives all the background information as far as it's concerned. The property is undeveloped. Um, and it has uh it's it's mostly wooded. It has some steep slopes. It's absolutely beautiful. There's a couple ponds on it which makes it pretty unique um to the city of Wildwood. Um, and this kind of gives background information on um the the park itself. And so where Park is right off of Hanken Road. Um and it goes through the topography and all of this was given to uh this ad hoc group and so these conditions that it would be free of charge, remain undeveloped wildlife refugee um the property could not be used for hunting, shooting um and that it remains in its natural state and that it is named partner park. And so these were the conditions that that the the ad hoc group was working with in January on a very brisk morning. uh we went out tour

the property and even in January it was lovely. Um and so from there the group uh worked really well together and and concluded at the end of the day that um these requests were completely completely appropriate for the site. It was kind of what they wanted to see for the site as well is that it maintained its natural beauty and um so uh they came up with the initial draft of the uh master plan um which you can actually see on the wall behind me and you can see most of the information that's on the story map around this room. uh we had a public input session in May with partner park and um in it we provided all of this information and on the postcards that we sent out to W six um the ad hoc group uh decided that because it impacted W 6 the most um that we also advertised that it we also advertised it on the website and um on the postcards there was a QR code that took people to this to give some of the history some of the background because it was important that that was also um captured with the site. And so we have some history, some historic photographs, some photographs of the property and such. Um and then we go into the actual master plan component of it. Um and so that way people had all of the information on it. Essentially, the master plan is comprised of um a a drive that enters here and exits a little further down because there were concerns about the size distance um um from the main entry up here. And there's only I think eight parking spaces um that are and then ADA accessible um trails here and there that go around

uh the main like prairie area and then throughout the park there's more um through the terrain it's a bit more steep. Um there's hiking trails and such. But uh the group the group agreed that minimal structures, a little dock down on the lake, um and a restroom facility is important to have there. And a pavilion that's uh about big enough for two picnic tables. Um that is also right here that kind of shows the improvement details. Um a uh a split rail fence at the entrance of the park just so I think it stand out. And uh at the uh meeting that we had uh we've got only about 10 people that came, but those 10 people seemed very happy with with the end result of this draft of the Burton Park and um we didn't really hear anything negative. the primary concerns were about increasing traffic on Hanken. Um and then existing issues like the traffic on Hanken of pedestrians or cyclists and such and and that it's you know a little dangerous and they didn't really want to see an increase in traffic but you know this was it's a limited use park. Um, and so in addition to that, uh, there were questions about whether the pavilion would be principal, you know, whether it could be held for the day. And given the nature of the facility and that it doesn't hold a whole lot of people and that there isn't a ton of parking, um, we think that it might not be the best place for having gatherings and such. Uh, it's also surrounded by residential. Um and so uh that being said, uh we got great feedback on it. We didn't get any negative feedback at the um at the actual public input session. And then we met with the group again. They decided that just to make absolutely certain because nobody from the surrounding houses came to the

meeting just to make absolutely certain that they were aware and that they were okay with it. uh decided to uh send out another letter to those properties that up but this one and the ones that are across the street from it. And uh we haven't heard anything back from them yet. So I think that no news is good news. And so with that um uh the department is um just we're just looking to give you an update and and give you an idea of what exactly um the ad h group came up with and and also let you know the story map is also available on our website if you do want to go through it in more detail. If you go to our parks page um where the actual parks are if you click on partner park coming soon what is the address do you know? Uh of course let's see I don't know the address off hand it's on Hanken Road um near Muggerman shelter do we have an address for Henen Roadwood 63069. Thank you ma'am. Could you repeat that Katie? It's on the uh small map over here, but I can read that back. 4064 Hinken Road 63064. Yeah. The sentiment from the group was 69. Excuse me. Yeah. Thank you. sentiment from the group was essentially that having it as a a respit, a place to go, you know, enjoy nature, get away from the hubbhub, um, and possibly use it as a way of, uh, educating people, you know, as far as the, uh, invasive species go. We're going to have to do a lot of that removal and, you know, the wildlife that's on site. There were a lot of suggestions from the group that but most of them were centered on keeping it in its natural condition and and and ed and and using it as a a place that we could educate and maybe capture

the history the family history of it on the property as well. God, um do we have a budget for this yet? Yes. Okay. Is that during fiscal 2026? 2026. Um, okay. Yeah, the engineering was on this year's budget, right? And then we took some of that to some of it off. I I just wanted to double check. But yeah, so there's a million dollar budget and, um, the final draft of the park was just barely over that. And so, um, they maintained, you know, staying within the budget for the most part. People don't need Deb had her hand up first, so I'll let her go first. Oh, she did? I think. Well, mine's not that important, but when you had the presentation up there, some of the O's and the E's are sinking into each other. They're supposed to supposed to. Well, in other places it wasn't. That's So, the other places are wrong that way. They don't match. So, we were going to have a recording of Council Member Rambo saying Partner Park so people know if you pronounce it correctly on the website. You can mispronounce it all day, please. But and they can ask why is the O stuck to the E or whatever. But right well some of them by ownard so you might want to go appropriate it. Yeah. A lot of the ones that were done by our by Terra Beck don't have it necessarily. Council Renburg. Yeah. So um this is sort of I guess just a uh unimportant question and I don't know if anybody if the city knows this or not but maybe Rob knows this. the the ponds that are on that property. What type of fish might be in those, do you think? We don't know that they look the water looks healthy and that's all we know because the the last fish I caught out of there was also the first fish I caught out of there and that was 65 years ago.

Dr. Rambo explained multiple times that he's had bad luck at that pond on that property. I've had bad luck at every pond. I mean, my brother's a fisherman and I can't catch fish. She'll say, "If I catch one there, I'm going to bring it by." You should you should go back because you know what? If it's healthy, there's probably a couple of big lunkers in there, but it's only a oneacre pond. And if you catch two, then they're all gone. So, we have to talk about children fishing in this because I think it's a great resource to take your kid, take your grandkid, show them what fishing is like, but we we would have to continually restock, which is fine, but that has to be an ongoing sort of a maintenance cost. Well, should we consider a sign by the pond that says, you know, please catch and release or something like that or we talked about that. Yeah. But but the main thing is um uh we're probably going to limit it to children. You know, some if you're too young to buy have to buy a fishing license, you can fish there. And if you're old enough to buy a fishing license, you can't fish there because we have a sign that says no fishing license is allowed. Go ahead. Uh there's ways to do it, but the main thing is we have no matter what we do with the park proper, we have to stabilize the pond um immediately because it's been neglected for a long time. So, we got to get the dam and this spillway fixed up and that's really the only thing we have to do immediately. Do you need action from the committee to take the final draft to council? Please. Somebody like to make that motion. Council member Rambo. Second by councilberg. Any further discussion on the motion? Seeing none, all in favor of the motion, please say I. I. Any oppose? Any obstension? Awesome. Great. Take that on. Uh the last two items under action are the Wild and Recreation programming update on current future offerings and the facility reservation, event registrations, and ongoing long-term maintenance costs for the parks and trail facilities. Does anybody have any

questions or comments or concerns related to any of that? All right, seeing none, we'll move into the planning matters. And the first item under planning matters for consideration is the Essen log cabin new bidding process. Director Rudich. Thank you again, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair and members of the committee, as you are aware, the last couple meetings of this group, we spent a great deal of time talking about the bidding process associated with Assess Law Cabinet's reassembly. Ultimately, a decision was made by the committee to endorse bombshell construction. And bombshell construction as part of that discussion also noted that he thought he could save the city at least $20,000 by a simple change in material. Ultimately, when our city attorney was advised of that, he expressed concerns and reservations about proceeding forward, particularly having heard from the second bidder that had been considered and that second bidder expressing concerns about the process and not having equal time to offer potential cost savings as well. Ultimately, the decision was just to rebid the project. The rebidding documents are set to go. The department is waiting for an endorsement of the bid package from this committee so that it can be advertised and proceed forward. Four things I want to mention about the rebidding. First, there are three additional ad alternates. And those ad alternates reflect one of the items that Bombshell Construction identified, which was the switch from the natural stone to a more manufactured stone, which was the $20,000 cost savings. The second is using instead of natural sheer shaped tapered shingles, using the synthetic brand. It's an ad alternate, but it may be a cost savings that we could realize.

And we know the building will last longer once installed. And then finally, instead of using the natural stone to as the pathway to the cabin, which again has to be manipulated by masons, we we thought we'd add an ad alternate for pavers. Since we have pavers available and we um we seem to they seem to work well for the purpose. We thought that ad alternate would be appropriate and so we hope to see some cost savings maybe through the ad alternates beyond what has already been described. And then the fourth item relates to the time frame. Given that we had a limited amount of biders and two of those biders were very high and very low which was concerning on both ends. We only are going to allow about 10 days for the bidding process to proceed. We feel like it's been out there before. It was out there for in excess of a month. There's been a lot of discussion. There's a lot of information available on our website about it. We just don't think we need to extend it for a 30-day period. So, those are the four things that are different about the bid package than what we started with back at the end of 2024, but is respectfully requesting an endorsement proceed forward with rebidding. Somebody like to make that motion. Council member Dodwell, I'll make said motion. Member McCutchen. Second it. Second it. Okay, we've got a motion, a second. Any discussion? Council Rambo observation. Um, more papavers means more opportunity to get cabin sponsors and so forth. So, it's just a I mean, that's a that's kind of a win-win, but I want to go on record and saying, and you can check the video, but I suggested all those changes that are the fake stone, the the fake shingles, and nobody wanted to have any

part of it because it wasn't authentic, the structure, and now we're coming back around to that. So, we could have saved like a year's worth. They just listen to me in the first place. I'm making I'm making a joke here. I'm just saying. No, you're right. I got But the the the artificial shingles, that's a great thing. They they'll last 10 times longer and they'll look just as good. They'll protect the original wood, too. Yes, that's right. Council member Ratenberg. Um, so question for Joe. You mentioned an accelerated bidding cycle here, and I understand the reason for that. Um, how are you going to let the contractors who are invited to bid know about this accelerated bidding process? We're going to directly contact them before the bid previously and then with the assistance of terasc we're going to put it on one of the digital plan rooms again. Then we'll post it as we do normally on our website here on the vestibule up on the second floor. And actually I want to put it in the newsletter as well. get some publicity there, which the newsletters published then through the Facebook. So, we're going to try to do it as best as possible. If I get a lot of feedback saying that it's not enough time, but I've checked I've talked with Ken Kaitel, who does a lot of our bidding, he thinks that given what's out there already and the work that had previously been done that it's a reasonable request. Perfect. All right. Thank you, Council Mach. Joe, I know in other locations the pavers haven't held up very well. Um, so can can I hear your opinion on that? Well, recently, um, Jim Vaness was visiting Old Pond school and sent a photograph of the papers and they look terrible. And what ended up

happening is they just hadn't been powerwashed in a very, very long time. So, we sent Glen Gaye out to power wash them. think you'll be impressed how they kind of revitalize themselves. These pavers we're using over in Village Green are an upgrade or more fence composition. Um and they're thicker paper as well. So from that perspective, I think we'll see a better outcome. Again, the papers were a recommendation of bombshell construction over the glue can't remember glue lock that material that was kind of like Oh, yeah. And I think they look so much better and they're I I just think we're going to be so happy with the paper selection. Yeah. Okay. Um well, good. We got the motion and the second. So, all in favor of the motion, please say I. I. Any oppose? Any abstension? Awesome. Um, next on the agenda is the trash enclosure bids for city hall site temporary facilities. Director Munich. Thank you again, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair and members of the committee. As you know, over the course of the last several months, the department has solicited endorsements from the committee members proceed forward with a bidding process for a temporary trash enclosure down at the end of Wildwood Avenue and then offer to the committee potential options for a permanent solution to the trash enclosure that was removed as part of phase one of Village Green. Tonight I am presenting to you the results of the bidding process relative to the temporary enclosure. We received two bids in response to the advertisement. One was from Shereet Creek Excavating, the other from Integra. Both were approximately identical. The low bid was

$56,99. The high bid was $57,673. So very tight bidding process with a limited number of bidders. The design was prepared by terascanning and parks and to a certain degree public works for endorsement of using the rightway area and it's a pretty simple con construction so to speak but we also added quality materials so it keeps a consistent aesthetic here in town center and then some landscaping. So tonight I'm presenting the results of the bidding process for the temporary enclosure. I will say one thing to qualify this temporary means is it a year or is it 10 years? Um, obviously the trash enclosure of a temporary nature would have to be moved if Alwood Avenue were to be extended to the south and intersect with Manchester Road, which is part of the street street network plan for Town Center. Don't know when that might happen. An 11 acre parcel of ground that separates the end of Wildwood Avenue and Manchester Road. I've been told by Mr. Lee it has a $4 million um price associated with it for the 11 acres. So it probably explains why it hasn't been developed since it was originally reszone by St. Louis County in like 1985. So if you're concerned about temporary, I understand, but I can't answer a question what that might be. The second component of all of this is the department did do an analysis of potential locations other the end of Wildwood Avenue for our temporary enclosure for a permanent ones and those are identified off page three of the memorandum. There is the Sallyport area

over on the east side of the building that is served by Vwood Avenue. There's an access point there for the police vehicles to come in and access the lower the garage door on the lower level. That hillside offers an opportunity. It's an engineered solution and we would align the trash enclosures with the two access points that serve the parking lot of the theater. That way there's a way to back in, back out, and do the maneuver. the parking garage. We have a temporary dumpster over at the end of the the west access drive to the parking garage. We've always had some kind of dumpster there, it seems, on and off since the garage was constructed back in 2007, 2008. Um, it offers some opportunities. Um it is also more of a visible location and as you know if you were at the economic development committee meeting last night did have a discussion about those vacant lots in that vicinity and with the SID ending in a short period of time less than two years those lots be developed in the future and we have our trash encouer at center village green there's an option there now that we're moving into phase two we could consider that and find a strategic location that serves both phase one and phase two, but has what I would consider reasonable access for the pickups of the trash from the dumpster. And then we can go back to our original location, which is the existing Mayor's Grove. We did a bidding process on that, and as you know, we came in at almost $110,000. That was the low bid. that seemed excessive for a mason masonary structure just basically hide two dumpsters. So

there's four options there and of course if you all as committee members have other suggestions we'll investigate those. We'll do physically the positives and the minuses. Um but again I wanted to give you some options to think about other than just let's build a temporary facility even if it's not one of these two that two biders doing it but actually find a solution sooner than later. So, two components. We have bids for a temporary facility at the end of Baldwood Avenue. Four locations the departments identified for a permanent facility somewhere in the general vicinity of of city hall. Thank you. Okay, councelor. Yeah, I think it would be fiscally responsible if we find a permanent location and and build the facility there because if we have a temporary one, we got to pay to build that one and then if we go somewhere else, we're going to have to pay to build that one. So, I think it' be fiscally responsible to find a permanent location. Thank you, Council Member. Um, quick question. Do we I saw where the temp where they're at now and they're really not noticeable I don't think. Does there have to be a temporary enclosure? We required of everybody else in town center to have their dumpsters screened by a trash enclosure. It's consistently part of the ordinances that governs the sites. So councils in the past, including this one, have always said what we require of others, we should require of ourselves. So that's why this committee endorsed proceeding four. I get that. I'm just struggling with the cost for something to hide a a dumpster. It just seems a lot. Council Morbo.

Yeah. What happened to the 20ome,000 enclo temporary enclosure uh that you talked about a few months ago? There there was there was a much cheaper temporary maybe because it was wood or something. the boy scouts where they um I Okay, so I I'm I'm drawing a blank on the details, but I I do recall that discussion, but I think um where it is could easily become permanent, de facto permanent because it'll be 10 10 there for 10 years and then we it cost us five grand a year to hide our trash bins. It's not really a such a huge deal. The cleaning crew endorsed that location, did they not? So, it's got some advantages and it is out of the way. I agree completely with Vicki. This is the parking garage or the No, it's it's the one at the end of um Wildwood Avenue by the movie theater, you know, Sally Port area. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's all the way at the end where the recycling stuff where it was for a while. Yeah. Yep. Jim Feland does the trash. starts upstairs on the east side, goes the west, down the elevator here, then through the police, it goes out to Sallyport. So, I think I think Will Village Green would be too far away. I think the Mayor's Grove is okay, but it's in a prominent location in terms of visitors to city hall, which is an argument against it. Um, the other two locations, I'm not exactly clear on what you're talking about. the Sallyport one. That's not a whole lot different from this temporary one. Um, uh, what was the fourth one? Um, the the end of the parking garage here. Oh, yeah. And that too kind of far away as well. Yes, it is a long distance relatively speaking. But so, so all four that you identified, well, three of the

four you identified quite a bit further and not as not as accessible or desirable by the cleaning crew. The Mayor's Grove one, it would be a bit prominent. Well, no, actually the two of the four are too far away, so we're down to the other two. But we don't have if you have if you want to dig into that hillside to make a trash enclosure that's going to be quarter of a million dollars. Would it not? I don't know. I was trying to find locations with within close proximity of existing city hall. Yeah. And one that could accommodate easy access for the hauler. And we needed to do it right away. So to Deb's point, it it would be more it makes it's a smarter use of money to just buy one and be done with it. But if it's a quarter million dollars and if we can save a whole lot of money and put the temporary one in the temporary one will last it'll be I'll be dead before. Yeah. No, I love that's a that's a salad, right? Um near the Sally Port. Yeah. Um so, uh yeah, I agree with that. I'll make a motion we go with Sallyport. Yeah, the one near the the Yeah. And is that part of it or temporary? Well, either you okay with that, huh? It's permanent. Is no temporary facility. Proceed with the permanent one and begin the design for the Sallyport to bring back cost estimates. That's fine. Is that your motion, Katie? I suppose it could be. Well, I'm sorry. Does that work for the department? Does that work for the department? because if we have to make it a permanent solution, then the costs are going to go up, which you were saying we're short on funds.

So, well, again, I'm I don't mean to put words in your mouth. I was trying to But you're not trying. Dr. Rambo said that it was the Sally port. That's why No, no. I I said that that was going to be expensive, whereas the one 50 feet further would be inexpensive. But the question is the permanence, right? And it I mean I I it's gonna it would be 10 years because it takes us 10 years to improve approve a development anyway and there's no development on the table. So kick it down the road 10 years for 50 grand seems cost seems like a reasonable use of pe of tax dollars. If it's 10 years I won't be here to make this argument with the developer of that 11 acre site. But I would encourage whoever follows me to say, "Oh, by the way, you're taking our trash enclosure away. You need to build this another Exactly." Yeah. Exactly. That makes Yeah. It's a redundancy factor there. Yeah. I'm just saying if a developer moves forward with a project, they're not going to necessarily say, "No, we're not going to do it because I have to replace a $50,000 trashing club." If they're paying $16 million for the property, rounding errors. Council recession. So do what's the difference between the temporary and the permanent costwise? Um I don't know this that I can certainly get prices for the Sallyport area which is I can ask what that design would look like and a general cost estimate. My guess is it's going to be a system of retaining walls to basically we have to cut out the hillside and create the pad. So, it's going to be more expensive than um than the temporary. I don't know if it's going to be more expensive than the one that we bid at the uh existing mayor's grow. I don't have the number. I

apologize. That was 110. What' you say it was? 10,000 was a low bid. Be twice that at the Sally. Council Adenberg. So, just to clarify, are we talking about well with Katie's motion? Are we talking about changing a temporary trash site into a permanent trash site or not? What are we talking about doing here? It was a temporary perman. You said I thought Joe said permanent. And I apologize if I misstated it because when Dr. Rambo said Sallyport, that was one of the permanent locations. But the Wildwood Avenue one is what we're listed as temporary, which is what these bids are for. But we're saying that it's going to be there for at least 10 plus years. But we don't know that. Yeah. But I mean, the thing is is that I mean, that's just a guess. We do know that there's not anyone that's even looking at that property or considering it. And even if somebody did consider it, it would be years for them to develop a plan and then at least five or six years for us to consider a plan and then another five or six years to decide on the plan. And then that doesn't really take that long. That's the average development process for like a threeacre spot. This is an 11 acre spot. So it would probably take a new master plan. You're a little hard on all your yourselves. As chair of the economic development committee, we saw a map last night and we've had an incredible amount of absorb absorption of properties from development in Town Center recently. It's it was surprising to me. I I don't know if that was your feeling and I think once the city watch the video is has paid off then I think you're going to see a different process the other piece that basically markets these

undeveloped areas are so you'll be able to see it a great idea awesome we didn't bring you a very good solution but it is what it is though you gave us the options and we're I I guess if If we realistically think it's going to be there for 10 years or more, I would consider that a permanent location because who knows what's going to happen five years from now with anything we do. Yeah. I don't know if that I I just don't I don't see I don't I don't feel like it's a good move for council to make a temporary one and then we're going to move it and make a a permanent one because look, we spent more money that way. So I'd like to see the difference in the cost between a permanent and a temporary. You can wait till July because I just when I sorry when I when Kitell and I were discussing the bidding documents particularly the design I asked him that I wanted the materials to be reusable. Now, the concrete pad, we're just using the asphalt of the existing street, but the materials that form at least three, if not all four sides, could they be reusable? That's why we chose colors that would match city hall, etc., so that if we stayed in the vicinity, it would complement the existing building. So, I forgot to mention that. So, if they were to come down, there's a potential to reuse it. Now, as you know with trash enclosures, they get beat up pretty bad just because of the nature of the activity. I don't know, but I tried to make it as reusable as possible, so to speak. And Ken picked materials that he thought would be relatively long lasting if given I mean, if you if you

look at these locations that you list as the permanent options, right? Sally F parking garage and Mayersville. I would advocate that all four of those are just as potentially temporary as Wildwood Avenue because you put this thing in the parking garage. There's no telling us in the next couple years we're not going to have to move it for some reason or another something comes up. Same thing with Village Green. We put it over there, we find out that it's not optimal and there's problems and there's issues and complaints or aesthetic problems. And so Mayor's Grove is the same thing. So I mean temporary versus permanent is a relative term. Yes. Anything we do is could be permanent. It could be temporary. There's no there's no finite value attached to any of those things when we're talking about putting it here within this immediate proximity to city hall. In my opinion at least there's arguments that could be made of why we would move or not move something. What we own is we own the garage. We do. But I'm saying there could be a reason for one reason or another that we would decide we're doing something different that would require us to move it. Uh so I mean I'm just saying this the end of this just my opinion. The end of Wildwood Avenue the the probability of us needing to move at any time in the next 10 years is as close to zero as you could probably get, potentially even longer. But I think if you picked any one of these other four areas that we would today say are permanent, in my opinion, none of them are any more permanent than that location because there's an argument that can be made for each one of these of why we potentially need to move it. So, and all of these would cost significantly more money to do today because we're calling them permanent, but they're not really permanent. That's just the way I look at it. You're right. Thank you, Council Rober. Um, talking about those four different locations, and this is maybe getting off the subject a little bit, but regarding

the parking garage, Director Bunage, didn't you mention last night in our discussion that there are some areas in the parking garage where some panels can actually be removed so that we could have connection directly from the parking garage into a new potential new development on one of these underdeveloped properties. Yes. on this on the plaza side where you access from Plaza Drive in the center there there's an island and you often wonder why that island may be there that panel is a punch out so the building would basically adjoin the garage you could park access the island and walk directly into the building same holds true in the bottom there's a there's a section of concrete that would be could be removed so you could actually either build parking garage, extend the parking garage under the building or or so Homeman thought it through relative to the buildings and that one building that you know it's a hillside you look at it what could go there that's like a that's like a fivetory building fourstory building if you and sorry if you've ever noticed the hotel when it as it faces Route 100 there's only shingles on the top fifth the fifth floor. That's intentional because there was a supposed to be a building there that would block the rest of the hotel from view. So yeah, I would also say that we just saved $19,000 by purchasing the playground equipment. So it's really $36,000. But it's not saved if we go ahead and spend it somewhere else. We're just transferring money around. I mean, I look at it like we have to have a trash enclosure now. So, do we spend 56,000 on something that could end up being

permanent or most likely will be for a long time or do we spend 200,000 on something that may or may not be permanent. Right. I'd like to call the question. Yeah. Call the question. So the to my understanding the the U motion on the floor is to proceed with the Wildwood Avenue. Yes, sir. quote unquote temporary point here. I I don't think we have a second to Katie's motion yet. We don't we got a second by Rob. So that's any further discussion on the motion? Seeing none, all in favor, please say I. I. Any opposed? Opposed? Opposed. And any abstensions? All right. Thank you. That takes us to the next item which is interaction and crossover of city council committees agendas items. Director Vick, thank you chair members of the committee. The memorandum I prepared is twofold tonight for your consideration. First, I wanted to do kind of a check with you to make sure that you're getting the information you need from the other committees. Oftentimes, economic development committee as well as public administration, public works committee do delve into areas that can be also covered by planning and forest such as we've had good discussions at economic development committee about signage as well as now drive-throughs. Those are generally planning issues, but they also affect other components of the city. So Melanie, Travis, Robin, and I as the planners of the city do our very best to try to get that information to you as best as possible that comes from other committees either through noting it in

our memorandums or attaching it to reports that we prepare, etc. Just want to make sure that you feel like you're getting the information you need and if not we'll certainly try better and that's the gold always is to get you the information we need to make the best decisions. Also up until 2023 the department used to copy the other committees as part of the memorandums it prepares for this committee in 20 in the latter part of 2022. the city leadership said stop doing that and I did and so tonight I'm asking would you like the committees reports that are prepared for meetings like tonight to again include copy of the other two committees so that they get the information the same time as you and may be able to provide additional comments before the meeting so we have everybody's information thank you Robleski and then council rat just a comment in terms of um being new to city council, I have listened to um all of the meetings for the last several years and I find that there are um different committees that do talk about the same things and come to sometimes a little bit different outcome on their thoughts and then Mr. you have to kind of say well this group is saying this to try and bring everybody back together. Um, I do think there's a little bit of I'm still trying to figure out what committee is supposed to be talking about and and making the decisions to take forward because I'm finding a little bit of those conversations happening like we did tonight about bricks, which the celebrate Wildwood's already taken it forward to city council and decided what to do with it. We're still backtracking and wanting to talk about it again here.

So, I'm still trying to figure out how that comes together. So my thought is having um the the memorandums that you send out is extremely helpful because um if it is talked about somewhere else, you can pick up on it there without having to watch the entire meeting if you're not on that committee. Anybody else? Robert, I guess I was just going to um say that um if we make any changes in the way you're doing things now and it results in extra work on your part, I guess I would be reluctant to put any more burden on um your department. I don't think so. I I mean the four of us that do the planning component more so than let's say parks at times. I don't think it's additional work, but I also don't want confusion. I don't want you as a committee to basically not know if there's something going on in another committee that may be applicable to what we're talking about. So, I think it's incumbent on the department to provide that information. I' like to think we're doing a pretty good job of it, but if not, that's why I'm asking. Council member Dodwell. Um well, we've got the ability to go out and look at all the agendas and all of the supporting material with all of the agendas um to study a specific topic if and whenever we want to. Number one. Um, number two, if you I I would make a suggestion that um as you are speaking with your peers in the building and you find something that would be beneficial to a specific committee to know about from another committee or another group,

then include that as part of your um as an email to the committee when you find that information out and say, "Hey, go look at um this item from uh admin and public works and review it." And then you can add it to our agenda here just as a discussion item, not as a vote on item. But you're going to see those connections, I think, a little bit faster than we will since you're in the building with peers. Um, but I I go out and I take a look at what's admin and public works doing at their next meeting and I go through the agenda and I actually read over all of that stuff too just to see where they've crossed over and then I make contact with my counterpart for my ward and say, "Hey, I saw this. Can you make sure that you follow up? Here's my perspective on it." Um, be my voice in that meeting. Just the way I do it. So, are you talking about giving each committee a full packet? Are you talking about a one sheet or mine to get it? No, it's just that that as part of the go to the different now primarily other the mayor, city administrator, etc. just adding in the other committees so that they're CCD and then the packet is mailed that goes to them as emailed it goes to them as well. So they have the link come to their email and then if they want to review it they don't have to go to the website it's already in their emails and is that going to make more work for the department? No. So you're just basically CCing the rest of the council on these memorandums the committees themselves. Okay. Done that

in the past up till 2022. Um I think it's just a good way to keep our agendas in a convenient place for you if you want to see it. Yeah, I'll make that motion. All right, we got a motion on the floor. Anybody a second? We got a second. Question. Okay, counchin. So I mean city administratively sends out a report every week and I find it to be very comprehensive. So what's the difference between UC and the committees and what he puts out? Well, what UC and the committee is a much more formal report. What I write, at least from the perspective of the department for the city administrator report, like when I say, "Hey, come on out. We've got plenty of space for you to be at the Green Rock Trail Challenge." You wouldn't see that in one of the memorandums or letters that go to city council. You know, that that's more a conversational tone. It's more participate, do this, interested in that. I mean, if we're talking about you're just CCing. Yeah, that's awesome. Just if you don't like it, don't open it. Don't read it. If you want to, you got it. All it meant is you get an email. You get the email at the same time. You're not as part of the committee, but you're CCD, right? And if you have an interest, you can browse through it. If there's something, then you do what Estavo said. You contact one of the committee members. It's just it's just more convenient to everybody if you're interested in looking. I think that's critical to keep information. Yeah, I think it's we got it. So, we got a motion on the floor. We got a second. All in favor of the motion, please say I. I. Any opposed? Any obstension? All right. Perfect. Thank you. Second. Um I did. Yeah. And it was council member CR that made a motion. Uh all right. Executive sess recent development trends in city wildwood. Any questions, concerns? Executive session, we have no items for consideration. Not ready for action. Director Bunich,

are there any of the items under not ready for action that can be removed from there or do we need all those on there still? We need all of those on there. We're getting very close to the message senders or electronic message boards. However, we're doing some work on the memorandum of understanding. So, yes, most of these will be coming back sometime this year. Just thought I'd check for housekeeping purposes. Uh any other matters for consideration? Any council rat? Um or director question. I know we've talked in the past about and I think maybe this doesn't necessarily apply to this community, but maybe it does. um you were going to go out and do some factf finding on what businesses felt they really needed in terms of temporary signage because you know we you revised our temporary sign code here I guess about a year and a half ago and since that time you've had some conversations with businesses who say yeah it's an improvement but there's still a few areas where we think there should be some further improvement principally the conversations I've had talked to Laura Jones, RL Jones, Wildwood Square, Starbucks building, etc. A few others. Quite frankly, it's right to we have is we have timelines for you can when you can have how long you can have them up within a 60-day period, four times a year. And it's just a logistical nightmare, I think, for them as well as us. And so the intent when you we'll have some regul we'll have some recommendations to the planning and zoning commission trying to get it for July. It's just to make it more simple that if the banners are done tastefully and there are provisions in the code already about how the banners have to be constructed then I think we can I think we can get more

latitude and allow for grand opening sales, Easter services, whatever the situation might be. Yeah, it's just it the timing component and the number of times per year is what's I think causing just the frustration. I mean that that makes perfect sense to me. Uh I was just curious as to what it was that you were actually hearing from the business community and it's that nine times out of 10. Thank you. Anybody else? Okay. U that takes us to our next meeting which is currently scheduled for Tuesday, July 15th, but we're looking for a request to reconsider a different date since council has denied before. As you know, you prepare a packet for the city council meeting on the 14th. That means we would be preparing also a packet for this committee. So, we were wondering if we could move the date like we did. I think can we go to the following Tuesday which would be the 22nd? That's what I Yeah. Is everybody okay with that? That do we need a talking July? July. July July 1. Economic development's 5:30 on the 22nd. We make it the 21st, which is a Monday. We could not. Yeah, we could do that. You want to do Can we do Monday the 21st? Actually, according to Melany's calendar, there's nothing on the 21st if that would work. Sure. Monday the 21st. Monday the 21st. Good. Monday the 21st at 5:30. Thanks. Good job. Yeah, sure. Good. Yeah. All right. So much. Do we need a motion or do we just if you don't mind just a voice? We'd like to make a motion. Council member CR second by council member Rambo. All in favor of the motion, please say I. I. Any opposed? Any obstensions? All right. Thanks so much. Monday, July 21st. It

is. And uh yep. Other than that, thanks everybody. We Oh, council Rodri. I would like to make a motion to adjourn. Well, I got to give my closing remarks first. Please, that's another half hour. Three minutes left. Come on, guys. Stretch. Um, well, thanks everybody. Always great conversation that goes on, especially in this committee. So, appreciate your confidence and another year of my tyranny. So, um, we're out of here before 7:30. Now, we'll take a motion to adjurnn. All right. Council Rottenberg chain.