Kemah Community Development Corporation - Regular Meeting

A few things not on there, so we didn't make that decision. There's been discussion of adding an additional public works person, whether it's this year, half a year, next year.

I guess I'll just start with sidewalks since it's going to come up tomorrow as well. Council's kind of addressed sidewalks already and interested in it. We haven't seen the street survey come back, have we?

No, street survey is not done. The sidewalk survey for the Kemah Oaks, we sat with the vendor. They have not finished the report, but they did give us a preliminary quote that that's what it would cost. That would be a combination of shaving sidewalks or replacing the flags that are beyond. So what it is is on these sidewalk pieces, if anything more than four inches, they do request that you just replace the entire flag. Or obviously if it's crumbled or fallen apart. Anything below four, we can get away with shaving.

and again council may tell me i'm done for that tomorrow which is fine whatever but i think you know i think we need to see at some point we can see a match

Certainly, and that's part of the proposal that they're putting together. We should get back any day now. But I will also say my attempt or my approach was it to be something that we could share the interest with, right? If WCID can come forward and pay for a portion, perhaps the HOA can pay for a portion and the city pays a portion, we split it down the line and we go from there. That's a possibility because 175 for any one entity to take on their own is something that none of us probably planned or had budgeted. There's also the argument of who they belong to. It's another argument. The situation I got is here, and coincidentally, I'm going to use this word, and it was used before earlier today. We've created a precedence where I believe at some point KCDC may have already prepared some of these in the past. That's the situation that we're in now. So the assumption is that we're supposed to do it all the time.

There's also been discussion and rumblings from- Let's go back and look and see what type of KCDC it was at that point, too. Sure. Because they changed from B to A or A to B or whichever way because the rules changed, too. Sure. I haven't looked at that, but I know that the status of the organization changed, so we'd have to go back and pinpoint the dates. It might not even have been legal what they did, honestly. Probably wasn't, especially if there's lack of ownership.

They need to get done. I think if there's a way for KCDC to help where it makes sense and keeps us inside the guardrails, we should discuss it. I don't know if it makes sense and we stay in the guardrails to do every sidewalk repairs at KCDC, but from 518 to the park, I think makes a lot of sense. You know, I think somebody, you know, could make the argument that, well, technically every sidewalk in there connects to the park, but then you're going to get, you know, We're gonna get really far into the weeds in that. But I think Park Oaks makes sense. But anyway, I'd like to see a map at something like that.

I find it hard to... to justify paying for sidewalks in a subdivision. I mean, to the parks, one thing, along 518, I see a lot of people carrying their groceries from Walmart, certainly an economic factor there, but there's no businesses inside Kimo. So that's where I would be concerned. If there's a three-way deal made between the water board, the city, and KCBC, I think that that'd be something I could entertain. A couple other questions I have. The study for, essentially it's sidewalks, the study for the Lighthouse District ADA accessibility, we don't have any monies there. We obviously have to go through that study first. Do we need to put any money towards that in this fiscal year?

I do expect for that project to be completed hopefully in this next fiscal year. I don't know that there would be a necessary amount that would be known if you want to earmark some dollars that are there or if the time comes to take it out of reserves. But just the fact that we've gone through that process will also open us through certain grant funds available from HCAC and other of their partner funding agencies. But I mean I think it's too soon to say right now.

It's like 6th Street has been on there three years and we're still in lawsuits. I'm not too apt to put it on the budget when we're still in the Supreme Court.

We just put it on there because it was the only items that we know have been carried over. Same thing with the whole blue sign program. After our initial conversation with them, were they supposed to come out and do a site visit and look at all the spots? It's essentially, and I didn't know this, but the businesses actually just lease a little spot on there. And that gets billed to them directly, and they're the ones that contact the businesses to actually put it on there. So really, they can say, this is where TxDOT will allow us to put them. This is where it goes. Now, if we would like to incentivize some of the businesses to put their logos on there, that's a different story. But that's why you'll notice a lot of the same brand names are the ones that are there. So when you're driving by, you'll see a Walmart, a Wingstop, a McDonald's, a Chick-fil-A. There's bigger brands who can afford to pay that monthly lease for that spot are the ones that usually get that spot. So that's why some of them are like that. So for them, they are in the business of going out and getting retailers. So when they did the original map and looked, well, yeah, you have a Denny's, you have an IHOP, you have a Chick-fil-A, you have this, like, hey, we think we could do something there because you have plenty of folks there. So they are excited about putting them here. The problem is that they can only put them on the southbound side right now, nothing on the northbound side until we're done with the construction on that side. And that's what's going to dictate exits, locations, and how many they can put. I'm sure you guys have been on exits where you notice that there's four of them before an exit. That also will definitely play a role in that as well. So and it might be coupled right it might be hey these are the gas stations. Here's a fast food restaurants. Here's your sit down restaurants. Here's your attractions. Here's your parks. Here's all those types of things. So it might be done in that way as well.

One more question on. On the proposed budget, where is the boat ramp, the 182,400?

The 182,400 we did not put on here yet as a potential match because at the time that we proposed it last year, we had already put an application and we thought that that was the case. We were not accepted because of the missing letter we didn't have from TxDOT at the time. So it is, I didn't want to be preemptive and say that we were necessarily applying for that again. If you chose to do that, that would be a need, but also be something that wouldn't be applicable at that time. So you may want to reserve some funds if you choose to apply for that again. I know that it's a definite need, but we have not received that yet, so I don't want to be preemptive in putting that forward. Not only have we not received it, we haven't even applied for it yet. So it's your decision whether you want to put those dollar amounts in there or not.

I had it in the spreadsheet and then I deleted it, and I didn't unhighlight the 182. So that's my fault. I just made sure it was me.

Yep. That's where my number of the 1.7 came in, because that was what was included. So decisions. I know that it is hard to prioritize a lot of these projects, especially when you only have 300-some thousand, but you've got 1.7 worth of stuff that you want to put on there.

You've got more than that when you put the 182 back in there.

Well, it's the 1.7, 1.8. That's the original number that we had. Ms. Natasha, could you please re-highlight those numbers, unshade the 182, 400 from green to turn it to blue, please?

I think the bigger question for me is the passion of this board is going to drive these projects. So that's why I didn't inject into this because I'd like to oversee and help you all achieve your goals. So, I mean, I know 57 Acre Park is Megan's passion, and that's why she got on this board, and I'm going to do everything in my power to get her the money to finish that park. I know Tom's passionate about underneath the bridge. I'm like, if we don't do the 172, then we're not gonna probably get any grant money because we need that schematics drawing to apply for the grant money. So I mean, I don't wanna deter people on this board from their dream or goals, but at the same time, it's gotta be the goal of the whole board as well. So that's why I'm open to ideas because like I say, I wanna help everybody be successful on this board.

What I would ask you to do right now, we have some time on the clock here. Not only do you have Vaheb here if you want to listen to them now or later or during the five o'clock session, it's your call, but if we could take a look at the actual budget, there might be some, what I call possible wiggle room once you look at it. Do you mind if we do that and then we can come back to the CIP list? Because there's things you might want to add to the CIP list. Like we said the robotic mower or another staff member or whatever that was not on that list. Or do you want to attack CIP? Well no the problem is is the item to approve is on the 5 o'clock agenda anyway so it's your call. It's your decision.

I'm sorry.

Sorry. I meant 6 o'clock. I'm sorry.

To be conscientious of your time if you'd like to speak now. It's going to be now or later but. we're pretty open when it comes to workshops so i mean if y'all want to listen to them we can listen to them now um that's up to y'all that's fine with me i don't want i don't want them sitting here if they don't need to be sitting here i mean it's your call guys this is this is your board i was going to stick around for approval oh okay well then we'll wait then well then enjoy the show

enjoy the show so then here we go do we want to go with the budget or do you want to tax the ip first or back and forth well we're in the middle of budget let's knock it out all right let's go let's go down the the budget line dry you want to take over uh yeah um so the budget line is we'll start with uh we'll go with revenue that'll be the quickest um we're leaving sales tax flat for this year the upcoming year um interest rate uh i left flat also um i know interest rates been kicking around going up and down a little bit here lately um but uh i left i left it there because interest rates may go down but we have more cash in our our bank account at the moment so well we've been loaning money to the city on this go makes a phone number two so yeah draw that down into the year so i think we're good yeah i think we leave it right there it's not gonna be that much of a discrepancy And then the Go Mesa. So that is the total amount of the grant. And so that number will be adjusted of how much we actually spend this year. But I know that's the total amount of the grant. So that's the number I had to go with because I don't have a firm number.

Can I explain that just one second? Yeah, absolutely. We put the full amount of what's going to be funded Because we don't know how much work is going to be expended between when the time we got it July 1st that we started the agreement and September 30th. We have a projection but we don't know exactly the full amount is going to be expended. In counter we don't know the full amount that's going to be expended during next fiscal year. And by all means I would love to be optimistic and say we're going to finish this next fiscal year. And if cards play themselves right, we may. But I don't find that realistic. But we still need a budget in preparation in case we can't expedite and get this stuff done. So that's why you see the full amount there. The expectation would be that a year from now, let's say we're 75% complete and we have a 75% completion that we're going to hit by September 30 of the next year, then we'll only have 25% of that number listed for the following fiscal year.

This is in and out.

It's all in and out. We get reimbursed within 90 days once we complete all the stuff and all the expenses and so forth. This first amount is going to be a little quirky because we're using the community forestry grant funding first. Right. So that first twenty thousand with a ten thousand dollar match is what's first being used. And then we're incorporating this. And as to date we've only used money on trees so far. You have an item on the agenda at the six o'clock meeting which will then incorporate the engineering for this project. So you'll see that number drawing down. But just because you're approving that in this fiscal year's budget to try to get started right away does not mean you're gonna expend all 394 that's on that. So if everybody can make sense of that. That's why it's easier for accounting purposes to put the entire amount in and out to have it clean.

And then basically we'll roll it every year.

Correct.

We'll just have a little budget cleanup once we have the final number. Kind of like the beacon project, we just kind of enroll in because we haven't paid the money for that part. The next one is the forestry is $20,000. That's how much would be reimbursed out of the $30,000. And then the $450,000. Oh, that's half of the $900,000 grant. Correct, Cesar, the 75 and the 150?

That is correct.

So that would be all the revenue. That's the maximum revenue we could possibly get in the upcoming year.

Does that make sense?

It's truly the top two numbers is what the rest of it's matching to.

Correct, correct.

So the budget's not much different than last year, $1.3 million. Correct.

So, for example, if we were to finish community forestry this fiscal year, that $20,000 goes away, but it also goes away on the actual expense side. So it equals itself out. Any questions on the revenue? No?

Anybody?

Okay. Okay.

On the expenditures, the management fees, we're projecting a 3.5% COLA for the upcoming year. So I increased that line item by 3.5%. I think we had a council member suggest moving it to $125,000. I don't know if y'all have an appetite for that.

There was a request made by a sitting council member requesting for a consideration by KCDC to move from $100,000 management fee to $125,000 management fee. That was a request that was made they felt that percentage of effort and they have the entire report that was done in preparation for that request. That's why that request was on there. So in theory although it's not a capital improvement item it would be a considered budget item that you would theoretically add to that other spreadsheet that you have should you want to consider that. Of that twenty five thousand dollar increase what Ryan is suggesting is he put in the three and a half to match the COLA so instead of twenty five you put three thousand five hundred. That's fine. I'm just saying so that the body, as KCD says, the body would know about that request made in this open setting.

I mean... Yeah, I'm good with just going over the goal. I think, you know, as this body, our goal is to keep our expenses as low as possible and put as much in CIP. So we know council members are going to argue what's an appropriate management fee. Obviously, you guys do a fantastic job, and I appreciate that. Thank you. So, you know, we'll just have to deal with that. But I think as far as us, we want to squeeze it down as far as the council allow us to so we can put more into projects.

Got it.

The next line items, uh, the audit, um, uh, bumped up 14,000. There's an increase every year for our audit. Um, just kind of covering that, um, grant writer, um, put in $10,000 in for a grant writer, uh, kind of help some go out for future grants. Uh, I don't know if we have any in mind or

That would be any that come up that fall outside of any that would be covered by the funding. So for example some of the grants that we've received so far grant right and grant administration can be covered as part of the actual expense. This would be those in addition to similar to what we had done the previous years.

And then training workshops a little increase there because I know people have been going to the ICSC and Legal fees left at 5,000. Professional fees increased to 26. And that was... AI Placer was 18,000, I do believe. And I moved that to a different column. So... I actually moved that down to... i think that's under is it miscellaneous i think we put in contract labor contract labor there we go contract labor uh i just think it's a better classification if we bring on a va oh yeah the 18 000 for the virtual assistant

Right? Yep. That's our estimated cost. I mean, we don't know for sure. We don't know RFQs, but it's kind of what we've been told, theoretically, from a couple companies I've talked to.

Okay. And then the other portion was... Sorry, my other spreadsheet has notes all over it. What was that, 8,000? Oh, that was the strategic planning. That's where the $8,000 for the strategic planning was for.

That's assuming that we don't finish it this year.

Correct. So we put $15,000 into engineering fees in case some new project or something kicks up the next budget year. $30,000 for economic development services. Kind of left that as it was the previous year. Dues and membership left the same, 20,000. Marketing and website left the same at 25,000. Decreased the 380 agreement to 50,000. I don't think, I haven't heard of anything coming up in the future, but just kind of leaving a little placeholder in case an opportunity arises.

We also want to point out that we have now finished the last payment that was necessary for the shopping center. That's another reason why Ryan felt comfortable and confident in dropping it. That entire 380 has been closed out.

I think it's a good idea for us to have it on there so we don't have to do a budget amendment and we can act fast if something does pop up that we can not go through 60 or 90 days of paperwork to get there. Correct. It gives us some sort of leeway to facilitate a business that might come to us that has an emergency need.

And then we have the transit agreement, $10,000, our portion. What's the total agreement?

$30,000. Yes, sir.

10, 10, and 10. 10 from hot, 10 from KCDC, 10 from city.

And then business retention, we left at $100,000 in case another opportunity comes.

Is that retention money just KPA money, or how are we using that?

I mean, we've done it in the past where we've helped businesses stay in town, or I mean, there's lots of Gives us a lot of leeway. It almost could go with a 380 agreement, but it gives us a little bit more leeway being in a different category. So we have a little bit. It wouldn't have to actually be a 380 agreement for us to actually step in and actually have an opportunity to help a business if needed.

We left the $50,000 for community development.

I guess what was the idea behind that, Jacob? Because I don't really know what the community development. I didn't spend no money on it, so I don't know what that was. so i mean you were around before and it still was zero i'm like yeah i don't know what the thought process was i can't even remember i'd add that into business retention because then we can we can fund kva projects with that i mean i don't have a problem i don't want to say that's why this conversation's here because i mean maybe we roll that 50 uh 55 or 85 51 into 85 50 and just make it 150.

Right. And then also, as community development, I think it also allowed you the latitude to do different things. So, for example, between that and beautification, for example, if you wanted to beautify a park, if you wanted to, community development, you might even say you're going to take some of the money out of for the linear design.

I mean, communication development, would that be like the Pickleball Court?

For beautification, yes. You would argue that that would be the case. You could also argue that maybe the sidewalks is that. You could actually argue business retention could be money put towards the parking. Again, I'm not insinuating one way or another, but those are categories that you could actually knock off some of the CIP items that you want technically through those parameters.

Maybe we leave it there and it gives us more options.

That gives you more leniency is the reason why Ryan and I suggested leaving it separate. Because it could be zero next year and it's going to fall to your general funds.

Correct.

We want to provide you enough latitude to do what you want. This is just a draft. Obviously, if you tell us to change it, we'll change it, but we want to give you options.

Then the business chamber, a little increase there. Then the Go Mesa grant, we've already talked about that. The 57 acre park, 900,000, which is a 50-50 match. And then the last one's the 3.5% increase for a public works employee for the COLA.

That's an agreement we made where we were paying one half of one of the Public Works employees to maintain the 57 Nickel Park. I'm sorry, everybody's aware. The 53? The 53 is one half. All right, it's one person. One person. One person to maintain the 57 Nickel Park. Because as we work on it, the more effort it's going to take by Public Works.

Yeah definitely we've we've noticed that since July 1 when we started the tree stuff it has been definitely a labor of love. It's been very difficult and straining on the staff to do that. They're definitely feeling the shortage and as a result now when this is done are going to have a lot of catch up to do on some other projects. Sure do. Like an extra person.

As we see it today, there's $368,000 that can be applied to the CIP for us to be a balanced budget. But like I say, we've got $3.6 million. And if this board wants to get aggressive and try to go after some projects, I'm all for it. I just utilize people's talents.

So I've got a question about the person in the park.

Yes.

That makes sense. Are we going to use a body going to entertain that person? For sure. Is this person going to be hired? two months they can have equipment to even work i mean obviously we have a tracker from last year and stuff like that but that's another truck that's another lawnmower that's not somewhere else we've yeah i think it was more of an idea of because the park's not at full capacity yet when it gets there probably two people right keep it

I was going to say, you're going to have to have two people up there working on that 57 acres probably continuously. This was just to kind of compensate for what has been done, mowing the seven acres on the bottom, mowing the hillside, and then maintaining up on top. I mean, we figured the hours spent by Public Works in general was one person. We calculated last year.

The equivalent of that.

Because the park's gotten bigger, so it could be a different number. That's how we based that number was the number of hours. We anticipated that Public Works in general would be working on the park. It was kind of one person.

Well, for safety reasons, we don't ever want to have one person by themselves.

So it's the equivalent of man hours of one body. One of the things that we're working on is getting all of our acreage because the staff is now taking on more acreage. We want to be as efficient as possible to find out what areas it makes sense for us to mow versus contract. So that's another big predicament throughout the city. But also the other one that we haven't talked about that was not available last year was the entire underpass. You have a mile of space, which most of it is grass, that the staff now maintains because TxDOT is on contract to maintain it twice a year. So if we let that thing grow just twice a year, it's going to look crazy. One of the reasons why we're trying to do the actual linear park is because we want to have it in a certain way. One of the biggest things when we met with TxDOT was, hey, if you put some of this landscaping, you're going to need a different type of maintenance plan. You're not going to just be able to mow it. So I want us to be cognizant of that as we're designing it but also as we're preparing for what the maintenance is going to be afterward because that might be dedicated almost an entire body of its own. We already know what the challenges we have keeping up with some of our regular drainage areas. Yes we're a small city the fact that we're two and a half by two and a half miles but we also only have six bodies. So keep that cognizant to what we have. So that's the reason why we say that so whether it's maybe it's not a full body maybe it's a body or you can't afford two bodies whatever the case is say we'll add the two body but we won't add them until March when the grass starts growing again or add one here add one there but just be cognizant that'll be the full amount the following year as you budget for that. So please keep that in consideration as you're making these suggestions because come March is when.

One thing to think about is our friend and our adversary as well I think some ways you look at it but it's we're thankful that our four major roads going through town are textile and the city does not have to maintain them but at the same time they do a piss poor job of maintaining what they have so there's it's a double-edged sword there so yes we don't have to maintain the roads themselves but we do have to maintain a presence which our city didn't

which is true that on the medians that you have on 518 in 2094 that's why the city maintains them and that's why we have certain things well true and and and that's what that balance comes in right because the beautification side of it you would argue is it is it not and that's where being the type of KCDC that you are you know we talked about city signage Right? Is city signage a KCDC function? Is it not? Is the digital signage project, is that KCDC? Is it not? We talked about adding lights or some signage onto the community center on top. Is that KCDC? Is it city? Is it not? Is it hot? These are all the questions that we're trying to figure out.

So you had mentioned some temporal distinctions between when you hire a potential extra works person versus, I mean, if you're saying that eventually the underpass is gonna need extra people anyways, you know, even if we do hire two, essentially that would prepare us and we would at least be ahead of it before it came down to we have to struggle to get to that point. Correct. Maybe we could compromise with something like that. Sure. Maybe we get the full-time one now, we need one now, and maybe we look at hiring the second one maybe at a more reasonable season when they're going to need them anyway.

Right.

Maybe the need will be a little higher at that point. One of our goals with the Gateway Park is revenue generation by leasing out that space for festivals and whatnot. Our goal was to be able to basically pay for the maintenance, not only for the Gateway Park itself, but anything we have to do under the freeway.

I feel like that has to be tied from the get-go so people will use it. Sure. I don't want to have to try to catch up. Understood.

I don't know what that's about. And again also keep in mind that we are applying for that green ribbon program. It does not pay for the art that comes with that plan. So maybe that's we phase that through overtime. It's going to take them a while to do the construction so maybe you phase your support that way. I mean I'm I'm not going to speak for Rashard but I'm sure he would love the two bodies tomorrow. But but but but obviously that's also in consideration to how that fits into the rest of the structure right. It's not just two bodies and their salary. It's two bodies or salary and their TMRS and their health insurance. And as you mentioned, auxiliaries, parking, whatever. We feel pretty good on the equipment side. The piece of equipment that kind of we've looked at now is this robotic mower to get some of these ditches that we can't exactly reach safely. And so thankfully we've got the county to help us this time, but we're still working on what else we could do. So those are kind of the asks. That is your budget. Now it's time to make some decisions, if any, right? You might just say, keep the $300,000, hit the gavel and we move on.

But I know there's a lot of different- I think this is about what are y'all passionate about and what do you want to work on? Because I mean, at the end of the day, if somebody doesn't champion it, I have learned in this town it doesn't go anywhere. I mean, it just does not.

And that's really the question here. I mean, if I look at 57 Acre Park, I know you're 100% in. When I look at 6th Street, I know as soon as we clear the legal hurdle, it's 100% you, right? And, you know, when we look at, you know, the boat ramp and the Gateway Park, I mean, that's my baby. That's what I want to work on, right? The Kima Digital sign, I think, when we talk about that in terms of being a KCDC project, this is all about brand elevation for our Kima business owners to the 11 million people that come over 146 every year, right? So those, I think, are absolutely okay. But when you look at CN Pickleball Park, National Fitness Campaign, city parking lot for free, I'm like, sidewalks at Kima Oaks, are we really going to address that this year? I don't think we have the people to champion those projects.

Well, that's, and I'm really glad you brought those projects up. Let's go over. rent match, I would need some type of decision. Are we pursuing that again this year? Yes. Yes. So if that were the case, if you were to highlight that green, that's already going to be a capital of your balances, right? Sixth Street, it sounds like, in addition to the pulse that I got from you guys, we have to wait for a legal deliberation with them. So that one kind of just goes by the wayside. That would be an RFP. There's not a whole lot of championships there. It's more of we put an RFP out, we put this whole board together, we put it out, we select the vendor, it gets done, it's your decision what we want to do next. The gateway park design, obviously, as you mentioned, if we want to take on this whole thing, we want to try to buy some grant funding, we want to name the reserves if we go over the $300,000 or $700,000. If we want to move that project forward, do we not?

That's another question you might want to ask. I can get on board first thing. And remember this year we budgeted for 750,000 that didn't happen I mean so we're rolling money over six streets rolling over again and

It's a project that we've had on the books that just hasn't transpired because of litigation. So, I mean, that number could change, too. That was a new updated number that we got after a year and a half of waiting for the last litigation to come.

Yeah, I think I'm gateway. I mean, the minimum you've got to move forward is the 172. That takes us to the next step.

To get any kind of traction in learning from Cesar and the way he operates, you have to have that, too. take an actual plan. It can't just be a pipe dream. It has to be an actual something that an engineer says this is possible and you can do this. I'm like, I have learned that part.

so let's talk about the national fitness campaign we talked about having two units at 262.750 is what our portion would be above and beyond the actual grant there is a grant application to do on friday we can submit it it's obligatory whatever we do we would have to come up with a different grant is roughly 30 000 for one unit if we apply for two then obviously that's not about As it stands today, the other spot that we talked about doing it was underneath that space that's already covered. You can put a second unit there if you wanted to. If it fits the schematic of what you're trying to do down there. If that's the case, then this one would more than likely make the most sense at 57 feet apart towards the front edge parallel to . There's an argument that this fits pretty seamlessly. There's also an argument we could apply to this through some of these ramps. It's where you want to be right now. Do you want to put in a fitness center when you're going to be in construction at that park for the next two years? No. And again, I'm not trying to sway your decision, but I know how passionate you are about this, so I want to be open about this one in particular. Are we going to buy it? If we don't use it this year, it gives us a chance to roll over. We can do what we have to do. It's not a problem. So there's that. The city parking lot, you had two folks come in here. and tell you about the fact that they're struggling with parking because we do a pilot program. That 80,000 points to what we believe the actual net revenues I told you, you know, if anything comes down for this, that's something, you know, please make that my baby. But they're begging for it. I agree.

So for me, but I think I think Dustin came up with a great point and us talking about this issue. I think the businesses are taking this at a little. The wrong direction in some points in that why don't they validate tickets? And figure out some way of doing it where they're validating tickets because what Barry said actually contradicts. Economics because they didn't park in our lot and didn't pay us, but they went and drank a drink in his business that probably would have done if they parked in our lot. So he actually made money by them parking in his lot. So I mean, so I can see both sides of this coin. And if we're talking about Friday and Saturday night, we're paying, paid parking's gonna stay there. It's not, well, if I have anything to say about it, I'm like.

And maybe it's money through Friday is free year round and we charge Saturday and Sunday year round and don't do the free parking that we do. And again, this is something for, I want you to understand that because you don't put this, this is not a CIP, but we put it on this page because it's a request, right? So theoretically, this should have come out of that 363 that you have. And technically, if you wanted to choose to bring it out of that retention, you could do that. Maybe, because you know we're going into debt period right now, you don't charge your partner coming up soon. What is it? We start, I don't know, we start charging, potentially, if I remember the date correctly. It's pretty much going away. So maybe it's only six months out of the year, whatever you choose to do. That's what that has to represent. The blue highway sign, we're kind of delivering it where that happens, but there's no dollar sign next to that. and you're keen with digital science. Those are the two interesting ones. Your current science that's there now is not the best. Your parent, I shared a quote with Tom, he was very passionate about that, and he drove an entire digital science project and preparing for a project and so forth. That one in particular is what it cost to fix that particular science. We want to maybe wait on the other component of the digital science project or maybe we do

something that's vertical that aligns with the columns of the video that's what it's more to kind of make a decision on what we want to do what i'd like to do is and i mentioned that before is when we we approved this keep a digital project is to roll the city entry signs and digital together so that we've got a consistent look and i agree with you i don't think we need digital science at the entrance but we need to know you're at chemo but when we're here when they come through we need to tell them what we're doing here and that's where the digital part so i think those two are are codependent i'd love to see that just

together and there's some other things that we're looking at it's funny that you mentioned um so there's a lot of people working on we've got interpretation music is going to be next digital friendly It's like 67,000. 77,000. 77,000. Let's play around with it.

It's never happened before.

And then there you can put in that column right there, put the color words down. What's the price for one on the other sheet, 53?

53.820.

53.820 would be the price of one. You can do the math on what you want to do. That's a half, two halves, being at the six-month mark of the year, whatever the case is. You can put that new sum there. That's your new sum of what you have if you choose to do that. So some decisions we made, as what Chairman Brown has mentioned, you've got money that you've been sparing for a while. Obviously, if you use some of that money, your interest goes down. Okay? So did you create a new column for age, please?

Yeah, if you look at this, your spin, we're way off.

Okay, make that smaller. Perfect. for me, type right next to H4, type 182 for me. 182.

Then type 0.

What did you say? 0.

0 for 6th Street.

It sounds like we're going 0 for 6th Street. But type this one sentence and that is your running total. Do me a favor. Tab that together in cell H17. So if you just put those two items, you're almost at zero. Now, you could argue that, let's have some more fun with this. Let's say you did half of the sidewalk. So type in for, add another column for me under I. that was fixing it that was that was just replacing the ones on the 2094. Okay, go to, go to sidewalks and make that 55. That could be, could be, could be, if you want to increase your communication from 50 to 100, that could be that for all the funds available. Then go to city parking lot.

Over here.

I mean, we got you for 10 seconds. So what this allows you to do, it allows you to do a little bit of everything. It does leave the National Fitness Campaign out. It does not do the full amount for the HEMA Digital Project. It does focus on the program. And here's the difference. Let's say we don't get the program. Now you've got an additional $180,000 you can incorporate throughout the year to do some of this other stuff. Right? You mentioned the possibility of getting another public work staff. Maybe it's half of the public work staff. So if you wanted to do that, for example.

So for me, priorities-wise, if I'm looking at the top priorities I have, the first one is at least one full public works employee.

And whatever we can do to make their lives easier. the Gateway Park, I would go willing to go over if that is the reason we are going over that specifically, because I think that's going to be an anchor point at some point. The national, when it comes to things that don't, obviously, Hema Oaks, I think, Hema Oaks has been told for a long time by a lot of people, like, hey, I'm going to vote for this, I'm going to champion this, and we're going to help fix you guys' sidewalks. And so at least having some of that that we're talking about, maybe in Main Street, maybe we can do a switch, I mean, that seems realistic and fair, city parking, free city parking is absolutely, I think that's absolutely essential. These guys know their business better than we do, whether they said it wrong or not. Those are the things that take out to me, obviously, because you said makers are important, but on the things that are not specific for me, I feel like the signs are less important to me. And I don't know about the boat ramp. The gateway park sign, absolutely.

i would say the boat ramp because there's a lot of people on anders that are suffering because they do work on boats and they have no place on this other the lake to put a boat in and out to test them before they can give them back to clients i mean that sounds like they have to drive all the way across we're talking business we're business generating i think this is the gateway part of our biggest businesses i mean you can't have one mess over here and a finished product over here it's got to be looked at i've seen this next year textile

They've pushed that to January. Yep. It was September, December, January.

So also keep in mind the boat ramp grant match would be an application.

If we find out halfway through the year, hey, we applied, we didn't get it, you may be able to reallocate those funds towards maybe another body or the mower or something else. So keep that in mind as you're doing that. And also, these suggestions.

We're a year away from the park needing another person. Because y'all are fixing to do a lot of construction, and there's going to be construction work up there, but we're not going to be up there subsidizing that construction work. So I mean, if that one person was sufficient, I still think that for this coming year, while there's $2.6 million of construction being And there's also, one would argue, a lot more space that the team is responsible for as well. And especially to keep at a certain level.

Well, not just that. Let's just keep in mind when we first came to this, 57 Acre Park wasn't done. When you last approved this, 57 Acre Park had just finished. We started trying to take care of it and so forth. You've also got the fact that this monstrosity in front, I mean, right now we were talking about buying a... weed sprayer you know to stray because we got to keep this area clean down there when you first drive down 146 textile doesn't care about the weeds that are going out of the cracks of their sidewalk and their stuff but but that's the first impression people have when they come they're street sweeping don't even get me started just that is that is that is a focal point that i feel very strongly about there's little odd end things that we've looked at doing and that we need to get done and the level of work that has to happen out of that group is large

it is a very large amount of work when you think about the amount of people that they have and yes they're happy to have gone from five to six but it's also something to consider when you're and maybe like we said it's a half a body maybe it's at least a half coming march when the grass starts to grow faster again i guess my question is what projects do board members want to champion because that i'm telling you i've been in this town long enough and i haven't been here forever but i know that if we don't have a champion on a project that it just dies on the vine it just There's not enough bandwidth with staff and the people that are functioning to make something happen. It has to have somebody that keeps pushing that bubble and keeps pushing that initiative. So, like I say, I know 57 Acre Park, I know 6th Street we have passion for, but we have litigation. Can't do much about that. I agree with Dust on the boat ramp in that we need to be getting in line because we know how long things transpire in the government process. We're not the general public. So it takes us a long time to get things approved and go through the whole process. So I really believe in that. And I do think we need to get the schematics drawing done for underneath so that we can go out for grants and start having hard conversations. Cause we still gotta get text out to approve a hundred percent that we can do this because there's still some skepticism because things that have happened in other parts of the country that have destructed bridges because things happen under the bridge that they allowed. which I don't think falls in that same bucket, but it's been brought to our attention. So the national campaign, I think fitness is a great thing, but I think with as much construction as we're going to have going up there, I think it's way too early for that project, in my opinion. The blue highway signs, I think we initiate the process. We get them up and then let the process play itself out. I mean, that's just my opinion.

And also on this, I like the fact of taking the digital sign to city entry sites, but just based on what my scope of the project was, I think if you took that 170 all down about 100, that gets us where we need to go. In terms of video production, we can do that out of business retention. So we can do what we need to do. We can get it functioning. We can feed it with content with a $100,000 budget and the business retention money.

And, again, this exercise was for us to kind of maneuver stuff, but I also say the examples you have on there right now include you taking zero funds out of your reserves.

So, Kyle, since you're sitting there, what's your anticipation on the 6th Street Supreme Court? Are we talking six months? Are we talking 12 months?

I don't think they will grant their request.

What timeline, though? Is it something that we even think about the next 12 months? We have a decision before December. Before December. So it could be next year budget, I don't know.

So again, if that happened at that time, you could say that you're going to take that out of reserves. Right. So it's already there. Right. You could argue the 182.4 you can keep and take out of reserves when it happens because not only is it going to be halfway through the year, but that money is not due until after you actually get funded and actually start the project. So that's part of that reimbursement style, which may carry over. So you've got, again, I'm just opening suggestions.

It's your board to make decisions.

You have, you're almost hitting almost every single item in some capacity. You're not saying no to National Fitness Campaign because we find some grant funds and we pay for half of that 262. We can bring that back.

182 for the boat ramp and the Gateway Park Design 172 for this coming fiscal year. That would be how I would vote. I need more information on the whole parking thing. I don't think those businesses, from my perspective, I don't have numbers in front of me, but the ones that are specifically the ones that come in here and make their point, they seem to be busy all the time. But if I can see that their revenues are dropping and someone can show me that information, maybe I

Is the point that they're losing revenue? The point's not that they're losing, I'm okay with it. It's how much revenue are they making versus they could be making more.

It's potential lost revenue, I think, because the parking spaces that are being utilized by people who don't want to pay for parking are using their parking lots, which then crowd their parking lots. And then others can't park, they go somewhere else, but they...

And again, let me let me champion that. Let me take take control of that and going and finding something else. Because if we do this for them, they need to be able to incentivize us at the same time. I agree in some way, you know, very similar to how the boardwalk operates a lot of times. And so I think that it's not going to be it's just not something that we're going to, you know, determine at this point, but They're asking us, they're saying that it's causing a problem, and maybe that is part of what we need to figure out.

Yeah, I agree. I don't mind it being a project. Assign money to it. I think we just need the information before signing.

But if you're not going to assign money to it, then the project is just going to remain even longer. It's not going anywhere.

Natasha read my mind with adding a champion to each one of these as far as strategic plan you could argue that that's something that's being handled by Darren and myself so you want to put a name next to that 57 acre park is making whose name do we put next to boat ramp well you want digital signage you want boat ramp or do you want linear park you gotta pick one you gotta pick one

I thought it was all one desert.

I know, it kind of is, but just going back to Darren's point.

A lot of different people.

Darren's point was about.

There's going to be a lot of different players in the boat ramp. Sixth Street, skip.

CN Park right now, for the sake of the conversation, skip. We can come back to that. Gateway Park Design, who was that?

Me.

All right, that's Tom. Tom. Tom slash Jacob. Absolutely. Okay. Then you can go down, skip, right? Well, no. Yeah, I see what you're doing. My bad. Right. National Fantasy Campaign would be Megan if it ever comes to fruition. Sean, blue highway signs, that's Darren. City entry signs, who's that? Tom and who? Or Tom doing this by himself? Tom or Tom slash Jacob?

You can put Tom slash Jacob.

There you go. Tom. There you go, and same with that one, the digital sign. So this allows everybody to have a project. Now, who's gonna take on sidewalks for Kemah Oaks? Okay, so that's Sean.

And please let me be the champion of getting these men a robotic mower.

Okay, so that's Sean. And then the public work staff?

That's not a champion. That's just a decision.

That's a decision. Okay, yeah.

Even the robotic motor.

Yeah, you could argue that's also a decision. All right, and then 6th Street right now we're on hold, but when it was, it was Dustin's. So put Dustin's name next to that. Who wants to take the lead on Sien Park? Yeah. Okay, oh, there you go. So you've assigned something to everybody.

If I may, I'm sorry. Yeah, no. I'd like to be added to the Sixth Street champion.

Yeah, so let's go Dustin slash Sean. So what you've done now is you've assigned a champion to each one. You have an area responsibility, if you will.

Well, we're past six o'clock, so.

I know, so now it's time to allocate and go. It sounds to me like you've got a motion on the table for the two items, and based on that, we can revisit?

Well, there's no motion, it's just a discussion for budget.

Well, I'll make a motion to approve The boat ramp 182 and the Gateway Park 172 for this fiscal year.

You don't do a budget, but that's what you're going to do. No, no, but you're directing us to please put that together for the final.

I mean, that'd be the next meeting. So say we got to approve the budget. So I mean, we can't do action during the workshop.

But if that's what you're proposing, those are the two that we'll go after. That means we'll delete public work staff. Is that what you're saying?

the vote i'm not saying anything i'm saying we can't take action right now next meeting we can take action i think we're good to go i need a motion to adjourn all those in favor aye