City Council - Regular Meeting

close that. He called me today. I know he's here. Yeah, he he was at that meeting earlier today. So, I know he's So, he's hopefully will walk in shortly. I think yours is pretty simple. So, why don't we go ahead and still start and try to keep us moving? Sure. Um, do you want me to drive this and and do you want It's There have been multiple ways people have handled it. If they just want to field questions from council or if you want to explain anything. Sure. First, it's up to you. I'll do why don't you just go through

I'll do a quick yeah explanation. Um so uh let's start with operating budget. Um and this is a little confusing actually because there's one that I think went into capital that technically is an operating budget. We'll talk about that. Um so a couple of requests. The first one was uh $25,000 additional budget for my uh event sponsorship account which is my general account that I use for the majority of my events that are not races. Um I have a separate account for the two races that we do during the year currently. Um and then the operating the general the sponsorship account um overseas downtown lighting spring fiesta uh Cedar City Star Surge Belgium Waffle Ride um things like that. Foot races was the other um

because your races we almost kind of treat kind of like an enterprise fund, right? Because they do bring in money more than the other ones do. Well, sort of. I mean, I we're going to see and I I have a little thing that I want to talk about um as far as downtown lighting is concerned because I I think downtown lighting, even though it's a free event, actually generates more revenue than than either of the races currently. Oh.

But um and that's a big reason that I'm asking for that 25,000 is the significant growth in the downtown lighting ceremony. We jumped from just under 10,000 attendees in 2024 to uh almost 13,000 attendees in 2025. Um which is a huge leap and we're getting to a place where we need to start taking more safety precautions for having that many people. We need to find Go ahead. I'm trying to find your budget and I have That's okay. It's 3040. It's the 3040s and so it's 304221 is the one I'm asking about now. But the 3040s are my You're the first one that's ever referred to account numbers. Oh,

give us a page. I don't know. Do you know? Does anybody else know what page in the big budget they're on? Uh, it's PDF page 20 and probably page 19. Page 19 in the budget. PDF 20. I found it. I just look at the summary. They go through the actual like that's okay. Uh, you had an increase in persons. Was that from 24 to 25? 24 to 25 was almost a 3,000 person leap. You know what it was last time it snowed? I didn't even remember back then.

Was it 20? Did No, I see. And I wasn't over it then cuz I thought it was freezing. It was freezing cold in 2023. We didn't have snow, but it was I've never been so cold in my life. I don't think we've ever had one where it snowed. Have you? Oh. Oh, I beg to differ. I think it was the very first year. Yeah, it was the first or second year we were shoveling the sidewalks. I can tell you in that we had about 7,000 attendees in 2023. Okay. And then jumped to 9600 and then 710 13. Yep. I think 19 apparently. I'm sure I'm sure it's the direction of the show. I'm sure that's

Yeah, that's probably it. They hear about those those dancers. Um but anyway, some of the things that we have in mind for helping make it a little safer is to create more um walking paths so that people have a space that they have to kind of like when you go to Disneyland and you're at a parade and you have to keep moving. If you're on the sidewalk, if you're on the other side of the ropes, you can stand and watch kind of a deal. It's hard to move through there. Like if you've got to get from one side to the other. It's

Yeah. The other thing that we're looking at um is spreading out, you know, especially when the show is going, having a series of LED screens that that show the show so that people will spread out more and everybody's not crammed around the stage because they can't all see around there anyway. So, just creating more designated spaces for people to stand and watch and uh and create more space for people to move around is really what we're hoping to do. Um, but with the growth of all of our events, including Spring Fiesta over the last few years, um, I mean, that $25,000 is it will I it won't cover all the changes we need to make for those events, but we can cut back in some other areas and hopefully make it work.

One question I have, so when he brings in revenue, his his most of his budget is TRT sales tax, but when he brings in revenue, where does it go? Does it go back? It goes into the general fund. Yeah. Oh, okay. So all the runners, everything. So what the way we've been handling it. Yeah. So there's a I'm sorry. There's a receivable account that books in the revenue that he makes. Whether or not it offsets a meaningful portion of his budget, I don't think it does. Okay. Sorry. That's okay. No. No. That's right. No. And what we typically assume on page 20

with all of these events, what we typically assume is that the the economic impact is greater than what we're seeing in in you know race entry revenue and that sort of thing. Um and I did do a little study on the economic impact of the downtown lighting. If anybody wants to take a look at that, I can Do you want me to just give those to you now? Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. that is. And I I do also offset I mean I bring in a little bit more in I think I want to say we brought in like 80,000 or something in um in sponsorships

in sponsorships and and entry fees that were above the the 50,000 that goes back into the general fund. And so there was something like 80,000 that came back in this year to help continue grow the events. You'll see those during his budget adjustments. Yeah. Did you say page 20? Is that PDF 20 or page 20? Uh, PDF 20, page 19. Thank you. I don't even see him. TRT sales sales tax fund fund. Yeah, don't it doesn't say events. Gotcha. Which maybe it needs to or a subheading say events or something. Is it subheading or something? Thank you. Pretty good.

Is he pretty much our only All of our TRT just goes to events. So, uh, yeah. By state law, you can spend transient room tax money on anything you can spend general fund money on. Oh, so it's pretty unlimited. Okay. But Cedar City, when we enacted the transient room tax, made the choice to say, "We're going to set up an operation and its job is to generate more TRT money, knowing that it would also generate sales tax revenue and and people moving to town and all those good things. So, by our choice, we just say all of our TRT money goes to this operation. Okay. I'm gonna take

Can I just ask you a question on the revenue side? Uh we have a state grant uh reserve, I guess, is what that says. You use what is that? That's Oh, yeah. That's okay. It's a It's a grant that we don't uh apply for anymore. Although that may change when we look at our my personnel uh stuff. We'll talk about that. But um it's a grant that was set up I think before I came in that we don't apply for or get anymore.

But you have a residual that is on the 2026 27 budget. 4,300 bucks. We may have used it to bring in the uh gears grant this year that line since we weren't using it for userve anymore. I think Jason used it as an income for the Gears grant money. You serve is the uh arm of the LDS church that does the inservice projects and does inind volunteering. Okay. We might just need to look at renaming that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and we don't apply. This was the last year we got the Gears grant for now anyway. U so we may not need it at all. Although

although you might have a grant Well, yeah. Yeah, we'll talk about that when we get there. Um so I'll keep going as far as requests go. As far as um operating budget, um I'm also requesting an additional 20,000 for our race series because they've also been growing exponentially. um our half marathon has grown over the last two years almost 50% in size and so this year we anticipate about 1500 runners um coming down the canyon and we are looking still at the option of trying to get a a full marathon which I think would be a big boon for us because marathons are really popular uh right now and we'd have one of the prettiest fastest ones in the country if we could get it working the way that we want to

never understand why a person would want to do I love I'm not going to run them. Do we have a a signature Ragnar race that you've thought about?

No, we've we've looked into a couple of options. I've reached out to Ragnar and I've reached out to Tough Mutter and um they I it's it's a hard sell with no regional airport um or with no international airport here um just for those guys. So, we're we're looking at some other options. We do have BWR, which is a a bike race that comes in and that draws in, you know, a few hundred people from out of town every year, and that's been growing and getting bigger. Um, but we've talked about the possibility of doing some because we have so many trails here, we just need to I need to grow my department so I have the bandwidth to put on a new a new event. But, um, and that'll be in our personnel stuff, too.

Okay. One of my daughters has done I don't know how many of those but I I was very impressed with the uh saints to center ragnar. So you get two halves of one medal. One is the saints in Salt Lake area. The other one's in Las Vegas and it's massive. I mean they draw thousands of people. Yeah. I've done about 10 of them myself. There I like the trail ones a lot. We could easily do a trail one here if we could just convince them to to set up shop here. So, which is the one that you said was in operations that you thought should be in or was it vice versa? So, as far as operations go, like our operations budgets.

Well, you said you had one that what you thought Let's just let's just let you keep going through. Yeah, sure. So, yeah, it's the two requests basically in operating um one is the 25,000 for the general fund for most of my events. The other is 20,000 uh 20,000 boost on the race. Well, see, we show four and then the other two are capital, right? They're unoperational. Did we add some in? So, we've got the 20,000 for the road closure stuff. That's an operational which I had originally submitted as a capital at Terry's request. That's why I don't have it that way in front of me. Sorry. Um uh so that's going to be we've talked about that in in city council basically. I don't know if you guys need any more information on that or if we're okay. And then there's 10,000 for the 24th of July.

10,000 for the 24th of July. Yeah. And that is also an operational. Yeah. That would go into the programming fund with the 60,000 that we have in there for summer games and USF right now. Okay.

So then yeah, you after that you have Yeah. Any questions for him on those? No. Additional. Okay. Okay. Great. Um then you want to talk about capital and personnel? Yeah. Um capital. So, we the big thing that we talked about for capital was the addition of a box truck for the department. Um, which I think is a a pretty obvious need since we're going back and forth between storage all the time and um and we're acquiring more and more stuff every year for these events and just to keep the cost down so we don't have to rent it or you're renting a U-Haul. Yep. And so, I've been renting a U-Haul because you have your trailer but it's not enough.

Yeah. The trailer has basically become the home for the chairs and tables. It fits all 300 chairs and all 20 picnic tables. And so they just live on there to stay out of the conxes and we just tote them around and use them when we need them. So now we need something a little bit more robust to carry our space heaters and our our uh fire barrels and our you know all the other stuff that we need to tote around for these events. So the 70,000 what was your estimate it was going to cover?

Yeah. So I put in 70 I just shot high because that's I figure that's the way to do it, right? is to ask for everything you want and get what you get. Um, but I I looked I put a couple in our original packet. I put a couple of um uh estimates for trucks, various, you know, used ones, a couple of new ones, and they ranged up to about 70,000 for for what we need. Uh, at least we could find them reasonably for that amount. Although, um, in talks with the mayor and with the streets department, there is a truck uh available that the streets department doesn't use anymore. It would require a little bit of money to gut it because it's currently Is it one of our old camera trucks? No, I think it's blue stakes. Yeah, it's a blue stakes truck. Oh.

So, it's just ripping out the stuff that's inside of it. It's just labor. How How big is the cab? Uh I want to say it's it's like a 15footer. 15 high cube. Yeah, it might be. Um I don't know how high, but Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's a good size truck. Good box truck. Mhm. Once we get everything So, we get that one for free. It's one of those like Ford F E350s probably. No. So, do you think for three or $4,000 it can be retrofitted or we talked with the Probably. Yeah. With public works, they'll just get it cleaned out. Okay.

Um there is also some money left over currently in my uh I don't know exactly how much is going to be left because we're not done with the work yet. Um I'm hoping to be done with it this month, but we're we're renovating the storage facility right now. We just bought two new ConXs. They get delivered this week. And then uh How big are those ConXes? They're 40 foot. How much did you pay for? How much did we pay for them? Like seven grand a piece. There we go. We're right. Somebody else is looking to purchase one. Oh yeah. We went through AAA and that was with the doors and installation and delivery and everything. 7500. That's we we guessed 7500. That's what we told him yesterday. That's what I'm saying. That's Yeah. They've got So it's got the the big open doors and then man doors on the sides.

On the sides. Yeah. So, really quick, don't take up too much time with this, but where all do you have? You have stuff stored everywhere pretty much, right? Well, right now I'm primarily using the basement uh and the storage facility that we have, which is the old animal shelter, correct? And is that where all your conxes are? Yep. But then we also still have a ConX full of stuff that M Mr. Jet's property. Correct. Right. Which we're going to move over once we get our new conxes. Okay. Mhm. which he has gracefully he has been very kind donated for the last quite some time year and a half. Yep. Okay.

So, um but I was going to say that there is going to be when we're done with the renovations on the that property, there will be a little bit of money left over. We went under what I had originally intended to spend there. I wanted to carry some of that over to use for roofs over the conxes once they're all in. Um, but we may be able to use some of that if we roll it all over if if it's okay with you guys. I mean, we may be able to use some of that to gut that truck, too, because I think there will be. You're not going to have any cost associated with gutting the truck? No. Okay. We will make sure the truck comes to you without anything in it and ready to use as a save stakes on the outside of it.

Well, if we want to reo something on the outside, then yes, there would need to be a cost there. But the truck from a functional standpoint, we'll take care of. Yeah. And I've talked to Maria a couple times about helping with wrapping my trailer. She'd probably be willing to help wrapping both of them. We'll make some nice big event mobiles out of it. Good. Cool.

Yeah. Um so that's really my only capital request and I feel like we're we're in pretty good shape as far as solving that without the 70,000. So um and then personnel. Um basically, let me just pull it up here. So, basically what I'm asking for is another part-time position in the events department. Currently, I have one part-time assistant. She works between 20 and 30 hours a week. Um, and she just kind of helps with all of the general organization. Um, she just kind of acts as my assistant. Uh the other role that I'd like to bring in this year um is a part-time community partnerships and grants coordinator. Um I we right now bring in a decent amount of money. um it's in the tens of thousands in um grants and well we bring in 50,000 from Maria's office which is a grant that I write every year and then on top of that we bring in sponsorships from local businesses and and things like that for all of our events. Um I firmly believe that if we had someone fully dedicated and if anybody's ever worked in fundraising knows that it's a full-time job. Um, and even somebody working 30 hours, 20 to 30 hours a week on that outside of what the other two people in my department are doing, uh, could multiply the amount that we're bringing in significantly. And, and I know right now there's a need for it because right now my operating budget is going over what the um, TRT is bringing in every year. And so what we're doing is because we have that sinking fund that has I think about 200,000 left in it now. It's we've been cutting into that because it's out of ordinance and it's got to get back down to 50,000 anyway. So

eventually that fund is going to get back to where it's supposed to be and we're not going to be able to draw from that anymore and then my department's going to have to take a big hit in funding. Uh, this I think would offset where we're drawing from that other fund by having somebody who basically makes their money plus some back every year. Well, you're speaking Councilman Schmid's song about I saw him shaking his head. I know. Well, I'm I'm in his camp on this. We But I'm not sure that but I don't think though that this is a grant for the whole city. I'm thinking we need another one. You want a full-time grant writer? I I want one or two. We're leaving a lot of money on the table.

Well, maybe maybe we take something of this sort of funding and we add to it, but yeah, I don't think we are able to hire two grants, full-time grant writers. Well, there's there's a different This is a sponsorship person, too. This is this is coming from his background in uh um what's the the fancy word? The development. Development. That's the fancy word. Yeah, that's the fancy word. the the grant one's a different discussion for the overall city whether we do that with full-time people or we try to contract and identify people that will get paid based on the grants they get so they're incentivized to actually get the grant rather than just show up to work every day and get paid if they don't. Um that that's a different discussion for later. But

but I feel comfortable when he just his background and understanding how to do this. I feel very comfortable with him managing somebody and he he felt strongly that it can go make more money than what it costs. So to me, let's support him. And I think this is great. Thank you. From a from a practical standpoint, if this is approved and goes through, where will this person work? Yeah. Well, having that discussion, don't we? Yeah. Yeah. There's not room for people.

There's not really. So, right now, my my assistant works in sort of a little cubby area in the back of my office. Um but and the there's no answer to that right now except that this person would spend a lot of time kind of out dealing with other businesses and dealing with other people. So a lot of their work would be out of office anyway. And we could probably for the time being uh work out sort of a shared cubicle space with my current assistant because she's got her desk set up in that little area and we could just kind of share that space when we need to. Are you in this building? Yeah, I'm upstairs with engineering. You must be in the back. I am right by economic devel by David's office. Okay.

All right. Great. I hope Any other questions for Brandon on his budget request. Appreciate all you do, man. Yeah. Thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Congratulations on a successful spring fiesta. Thank you. Yeah. Did you get numbers back from Marie on that yet? Yeah, they were they were about the same about the same as last year as last year. that I do think there were some contributing factors to that. I think that I think the weather was a little cold at night. I also think the political climate contributing factor this year. Yeah, I would say that's pretty safe assumption. Yeah, it'll be a week later next year hopefully. Okay, thank you. All right, mayor and council. So, I have three divisions in my department. Who are you?

David Johnson, economic development. Thank you. I always forget who I am. Um so we've got uh or I should say three uh budgets. Uh essentially we have events which we just went through TRT and then we have RDA and then of course economic development. Um real quick on the events and the and the comments about the grant writing. One thing to consider with the grant writing because a lot of my both Brandon and I have a lot of background in grant writing and sponsorships is if you're thinking of a full-time grant writer and mayor this kind of coming a little on what you were just mentioning a lot of granting entities will not give grants if somebody if the person writing the grants is earning a commission off the grant.

That is true. And so just be very aware of that. That's con in some it it's not illegal, but in some worlds that's considered unethical to do a commission based on grant writing. So, however, if you're looking to do a grant position, let's talk about that because there are ways to do it. And our department deals with a lot of grants and sponsorship. So, but I I think that's on the right at least we're on the right track, I think, of trying to identify staff that can do that. So, um so I'll first talk about RDA, which is 5740. Um there's just one Hang on, we'll just get there. Yeah. Go ahead. Which one are you doing? RDA, Redevelopment Agency 5740. Just a second. We're not there yet.

I don't think there's any summary items for RDA. It's uh page 28 PDF 27 budget.

So why while you're looking it up, I'll just kind of give you the context behind that. So, in um over the last couple years, I've noticed we've had um RDA needs for professional services um generally attorneys when we're working with developers to we'll hire an RDA um lawyer um to help us review and go through some of those things like the hotel. um when we've had discussions with other potential developments like the auto mall and those uh we have attorney fees associated with that that that are related to the RDA, not necessarily to economic development. And so we've been paying for those out of the RDA, but we just haven't budgeted for those. And so simp this line item is simply to budget for um those those attorney fees essentially when we're working with developers um and and needing an attorney that has expertise in RDA. Yeah. Come on. Council members,

can I ask a question on it? Put your mic on, sir. It is. Yeah. Oh, didn't get closer to it.

Okay. So, with the uh hiring attorneys, why aren't we just using the city attorney? Uh we do use the city attorney uh when he has uh uh capabilities, but sometimes we need attorneys that have expertise specific to um creating an RDA or maybe how the the tax increment financing works. It's not that they're not capable and I usually will go to them first, but there's especially at one point when we were having a lot of turnover with our assistant attorney and our attorney was covering a lot of bases. So, what I'm saying is this funding won't necessarily be spent, but it's there so that we don't have to make a budget adjustment if if we need to hire uh professional services related to the RDA. But,

for example, two years ago, we had a potential investor that was potentially looking at a large piece of property to develop and there was lots of tax incentives involved. So, we hired an attorney that specializes in knowing how those tax incentives work. It's just very very Yeah. Yeah, specialize. Yeah, it's more of a consultant. It's almost a consultant than an attorney. Yeah, this is more of a funding like it's there, but we don't necessarily spend it unless it's So, walk me through the logic of having that money in the economic development as opposed to with the legal council's budget. So, it's the RDA, the redevelopment agency. Most cities, the redevelopment agency is under economic development. Yeah.

It's actually in the RDA's budget, not in economic development. Yeah. It's just the economic development director is usually the staff that oversees that. So, yeah. Um, any questions more related to Explain to me the increase on the Port 15 revenue. I like to see that you've budgeted, you know, on the revenue side. Yes, you do. Um, um, I'm assuming it's because there's more infrastructure and we get more or what's Oh, the increase in the revenue. I don't have it in front of me. So, um, it went from a million 32 to 1.2 million. So, $167,000 increase. one for part 15. Say that number again. 15. Do you Terry, do you have a copy that I can just look at? Make sure I'm went from 1.0.

Yeah. And then it and then of course we do payouts. We'd have to do distributions to all the detail. What's the question? You want to know why the increase of port 15? So the reason why is um Terry help and and Paul correct me if I'm wrong. So, Port 15's budget number that you see in there for all the distributions back to him, you should ignore it cuz it's going to change in January. I'm seeing he's asking about the revenue. Talk about the revenue budget for port 15. For 15. Yeah. Again, that's a placeholder. We don't know what that revenue is going to be until we receive the tax revenue. So, we've estimated what that's going to be at $167,000. It's our best guess.

That's fine. As long as I know. I just wanted to understand but it's probably not if you're looking for accuracy on that number please don't because it's probably not very accurate and we'll probably end up revising it in December. If you tell me it's an estimate then I Yeah, it's a it's a project in and the dispersements are also to your point at least you're excited somebody looked at it and actually thought through it. Yes. Yeah. Paul, we're just essentially a pass through, right? Because those just go right back out to developer, Iron County School District, Housing Authority, economic and administration. Well, we keep the administrative fee, but So, right, most of them just go right back. All of it's set by contract with with the 415 development. Um, the percentages are broken down in the contract as to what goes to whom.

Yeah. So, yeah, we collect the the the county assessor collects the tax. They send us the tax uh increment, which was that amount above what we set the floor at. We split up the tax increment. you send it back out. So, does Sit is Sitla still involved in port 152? They are. Sitless still owns the underlying land that's not built on. And the way their deal with Sitla is when they have an enduser that wants to buy the property, SitLove sells it to the end user and then they're out another 40 acres. They're out of it. Yeah. So, we do keep though we keep the administrative fee and the

building and ground maintenance. So administrative fee there's um I think a 5% for administrative fee and I think 11.2% which is uh we put essentially in a pool for potential incentives. So for economic incentives,

yeah, when American Pacific came or I'm sorry, American packaging came and GOEX came, we helped offset some of the infrastructures costs by um up upfronting. I think it was like $100,000ish, $150,000 to each of those uh to help cover some of the costs on upfront incentives. So we have and it specifically can only be used in port 15. Port 15 so far in total allocations has been about 6.8 8 million um has been brought in, but the contract with Port 15, the developer, um ends either in 2033 or whichever comes first when they reach about $7 million in incentives received. And those incentives obviously it's incentive for them to recruit manufacturers um which ups the uh property and personal taxes, etc. that then go into this. So, that's how that functions. And, uh, Council Member Cox, to kind of get at the I think at the crux of what you were asking is, yes, we're seeing a steady increase in in that tax um, over the last few years. I think in fiscal year 25, no, I'm sorry. In calendar year 24, it was about a little over a million. In calendar year 25, um, it was about, uh, 900,000. So, a little bit of dip there, but still above the previous years before it. Um, so any other questions with RDA?

Yes. Yeah. Can you tell me um on the detailed budget we see that and maybe it's a question for you or Paul or whoever, but uh we are deducting a debt service principle of 120,000 and interest of 181,000 that we had budgeted I think the previous year. I think that's a question probably for Paul Linds. Yeah, we we're paying off Lynn's the when we expanded Lynn's supermarket, we took out a bond. We paid it off because we're not budgeting for it this year. Zero balance then if there's no interest. We didn't hold a big celebration. Raven, but we've retired that debt. No, that's we should have a celebration. Maybe we should we should have got a cake.

Okay. Yeah. Free cake from Liz Bakery. Okay. Thank you. That explains that. Now you're going to go into personnel. No, before you do that, on the capital investment that 350,000 for the uh lighting, what what is that? Street lighting on the south end of Main Street. Yeah. Extending the the lights south on Main Street. We've been working to extend the street lights all the way to the south interchange for how long, Mr. Phillips? Uh, eight years. At least eight years. And we've been doing it a little bit at a time because part of that lens revenue has been siphoned off to pay the debt service. Mhm.

Uh this last 300,000 will get us the rest of the way down Main Street. All the way down there. Yeah. Except we took out a little bit. We took out like 30 grand for the lighting in front of the Smith property, which they're going to do. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Is there not um that was my question. How much more is there to do? Because my overall question on that is we talked about one of our priorities being downtown and I wanted to make sure that we have some money in RDA to do some projects downtown. The engineers estimate is what you see recommended for funding to finish the street lights. Pardon? I'm sorry.

To finish the street light project. That's the engineer's estimate. Are are you asking how far the how far is that going down all the way to the uh end of Main Street to uh Golden Tra? Yeah, Golden that intersection there where Golden Crow. So then that's that's going to have to be done before the SOUTH INTERCHANGE WORK STARTS or in conjunction with or in conjunction u because we don't want to be saw cut. You usually saw cut out in front of the road and we don't want to. Well, in fact, the state won't let you saw cut their new road. So, this is going to really need to be done prior to that. My concern is

the engineers tell us that if you budget this money, they can complete the project. Yeah. Well, my concern is though, what then? What do we have in this next year's budget for downtown? You don't. Yeah. I think that's a problem. They need lights on. They're clear down there, too. So, I guess um council, but we said that one of our pri priorities this year was working on downtown, and yet we're not doing anything for downtown. But what what did you have in mind for downtown? I think we need to begin to do something from Center Street to 200 South as part of our we I mean we have a whole design schematic that has been provided by UD do

and and city council has approved that plan. I don't know if the first step is to try and put in the electrical and the poles for additional lighting. I don't know if it's trying to put in the trees and the tree grades. I don't know what it is. So, but we don't have anything in the budget for downtown. We might want to look at different funding options. Um, when all of this work in the downtown was done here, excuse me, it was an improvement district that the neighboring property owners paid for. Yeah. Yeah, when we ls and everything,

uh, even the trees and the decorative light posts and the stained concrete and all of that was done at a cost to be assessed to the neighboring property owners so that the city didn't the city upfronted the money. We bonded for the money, but the payoff was the neighboring property owners. they recognized a value that it would make their property look nicer. And um that kind of project we might be be able to do if we could start with an idea and then sell it to the property owners along Main Street, but it's not all city funds.

So, well, we have the idea. I mean, we spent a lot of time and a lot of effort with Blue Line and a Avenue Consultants and UD do creating what that design might. That's the one that has the uh bike lanes and all of that stuff. Yeah, I saw that the other day. But how how much was the project downtown when in terms of dollars? Yeah, that was in the '9s. That was in the early 90s, sir. And um my mental capacity remember back that far is extremely limited. That would be much more expensive now. Plus, my activities in the early 90s really didn't care about Main Street. Carter was a contractor did all the work. So, council was good. Carter has a comment.

Hey, Terry, can you look real quick? So, at the very end of the expenditures for this RDA, the fund balance unappropriated 191, yeah, that's the other one I have. $98. So, does that essentially mean that there was We're taking a little bit from fund balance. What do you mean? Um, we're taking a little bit from what we have left over from prior years. Uh, this to fund everything this coming year. That's a transfer. That fund balance is a transfer into operating funds. Uh, from the general fund, no, from the RDA fund balance from the RD.

Okay. But you need that to just pay for the things that you've already It's not what I'm getting at is there's not 191,000 that's going to move over to the next year. You spent it. You pulled it from last year and are spending it this year. Yes. Okay. Yeah. That So wouldn't it be appropriated? 198,000 if we've already spent it. Well, yeah. I don't have If we've already transfer in, is it? It's a transfer in. Sorry. It is a transfer in. Um, we're going to contribute that to the fund balance from the general fund. What version do you from? No. No. From the RDA. From the RDA. You're on page 20. Well, is there a fund balance in the RDA? Yes. Yeah.

And I think that's what I was going to say a minute ago. I think part of some of your questions is getting at what is the current fund balance in the RDA? Yeah, that's what I was trying to get at. So, yeah, hang on one second. Ready? Yeah. Don't be afraid. We're from the people. fund balance in the RDA is so so the unrestricted uh fund balance in the RDA is uh 557,000 unrestricted unrestricted okay and what's um do you know the restricted and what that's so the RDA has two pots of money restricted and unrestricted restricted is restricted to those project areas that it was developed from that yeah that's unrestricted is basically Lynn's money you can spend wherever you want to

yeah I understand okay so Terry so essentially what I'm understanding was that number 5001 What? Sorry. What? 557,000. So 557,000. What you're essentially doing is of that 557, you're pulling 191 of it to cover this year's things that are going to be needed. No, actually I'm putting 191,000 adding to Oh, to adding to the 557 be almost 700. So it's going to be almost 700. Yes. Correct. So if we needed to pull something to do downtown, there is money to do that. Yes. There you go, Council.

That was my question. So, a couple things if we can maybe step back. Um, one, the reason why I was asking about the unrestricted is I thought maybe it might be a good opportunity for even even before I was here because I've only been here a couple years, maybe some of the new ones. What is some of the restricted funding going toward was the question just for the sake of the council? Well, the core works, we got a project area for the core works. We got a project area down by um well, Port 15. We have a project area in this downtown area for the Hampton. Think we got another one on 56 for we have parking garage align precision. Yeah. The only I don't know if they've ever

the aviation way one. That's I don't know if they've ever taken any money out of it.

So So that that's the only reason why I was asking about that. I just wanted to give you kind of an idea of what some of the restrict the types of projects that some of the restricted funding is going towards so that as we look at the unrestricted um we know how to allocate it. So I had sent out to each of you the downtown plan that was created which is kind of a guide and what the the cost estimates were at that time when it was created. Um my hope is that over the next year now that we have pretty much the a lot a new council a new mayor is to start working with you. So right now I I didn't think it was wise to say, "Oh, let's allocate x number of dollars, but my thought is, well, there's a ton of things that we could do toward what." And so my thought is starting to work with with this body to say, what are the types of projects that you want to see so that in the upcoming year, we have a better idea of what we want to start implementing? And hopefully we have a more uh long range vision of what we want to do in the downtown that each year we're working toward if I'm making any sense with that. And

yeah, I just don't want to be here a year from now next May listening to budget talks and nothing

being done. Yeah, I totally agree. And that's part of that was part of the intent of sending you that plan that was created as well as those budget estimates to start thinking well what is it long range because this year one of the council's priority has been downtown and this we've been I don't know we're in our second quarter right now to hopefully help the collective body start thinking through so that as we make those decisions up coming up for the next year we'll have an idea. Yes. I I hope I can speak for my fellow council members and myself when I say this. If any of you don't feel this way, correct me. But I think we kind of sometimes feel like we just plan and plan and plan ourselves to death. And I think you've got five people here that like to just get done. And that's

and so like don't take like but if if we're going to do something, that's what I'm getting at is but right now with one, two, three new elected officials, I don't know what you want to get done. And so I didn't feel that it was incumbent upon me to to say let's ask it's on my list of discussion items of wanting to still add in so Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So I just one qu it's kind of rhetorical maybe but this R this RDA money is not just for downtown right. Correct. Yeah.

And and so I kind of like what Mr. Bitman said is if it benefits them they ought to pay a bigger burden. I mean, that's I I don't know why we're not helping all businesses instead of trying to foc focus in on on a select few.

This is the exact discussion I actually really want to have about economic development. I think that's where the mayor's going. I would like to start identifying as as the economic development department is what are areas of the city. Downtown is definitely one of them, but there are other areas in the city that I think we should strategically be investing in or identifying project areas that we want to see improvement. And if we can find those business partnerships to improve those areas, I think that's spot on.

From the overall health of the city, it's better to bring in a 200 employee business and get good paying jobs here than it is to help, you know, a handful. I again I'm not trying to diminish what it is but I I think that there's a balance to be had here and that's to bring in the most benefit to the city and and and they've done that if you look at the expenditures uh you know the Genpack plant got incentives and all of that well and and I would add to that plan

that I mean correct me if I'm wrong on this David but I hear it all the time from people that I bring into town that part of what um is the a driver to that is the fact we still have a viable downtown that adds to a sense of community in place that people do want to come to to open other businesses to to do other things in. So I I don't I agree with you. It shouldn't be overweighted, but I but I do think that there is an overall benefit to the community by making sure that our downtown still is vibrant. Yeah, it's kind of it's kind of the I know this sounds cliche, but it's kind of the gem that showcases what we can do with our redevelopment process, right, with the redevelopment agency and potentially identifying project areas. So the way we do the redevelopment in our downtown really helps demonstrate and and I would say Port 15 and other projects that we've done the decor works project before our my time here um are great examples of how the redevelopment agency can really benefit through a project area. The hotel I think is a great example too. But anyways now I'm just blabbing. So

okay since I was the one that brought it up I'm fine that we've had the discussion. I think is something we have to keep in mind and I think now knowing that we have the ability we can revisit it later. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. I'm Thank you. I appreciate that. I'm actually really excited about that. So on the note of downtown if you want to go to uh 1060 that is the economic development budget. This is where you asked for the 20 and we're given the 10.

Uh yeah that's correct. Um to give a little context background here. So, um the request was for more hours for my part-time staff. Um currently the the historic downtown coordinator has 10 hours a week um on average and I requested go up to 20 hours a week. The reason why it's saying 20 grand there is because in prior years this was budgeted um as a contract employee. It was also budgeted through grants. And this last year, we moved it to um a a part-time employee position. And while we lowered the budget under Main Street line item by $8,000, for whatever reason in the transition, uh um that didn't get budgeted in the part-time, the $8,000. Now, this year, we were fine because we had some savings um with some staff turnover to cover the cost of that part-time employee. So, instead of asking, you know, for like 10 grand more, I ended up needing to ask for the 20 grand. And so in the mayor's proposed budget, um it says 10 grand, which would still essentially allocate me about 10 10 hours a week for this employee. Um but and I I want this I want to say this very uh clear upfront, we had our historic downtown committee meeting on Thursday, just a few days ago. I did not bring up this subject to my committee, but they specifically asked, "What do we need to do to get more hours for our historic downtown coordinator, and I told them my request? I told them the budget and everything." And they asked me, uh, Brent Drew, who's our chair, and the and the committee by consensus wanted me to provide a letter requesting to the council, um, additional hours. Take that for what it is. I just wanted to be very clear. I did not prod my committee to do this. This was brought up on their own valition of the reason for hours and I'll talk about that here in a sec. But

here's a copy of that letter. I'm sorry. I I haven't found your budget yet. It's 1060. I I don't have your booklet, so I don't know. It's page five. Thank you. Thank you. Five. Way up there. Yep, there it is. Thank you, Terry. So, I hand I will support David, by the way, in his comment that he just made. I was in that meeting and yeah, it was definitely the committee that they even all looked at me and were like, "Come on, Carter." And I'm like, "Well, yeah, more than just my vote." So,

and I was very clear because I said, you know, my request was at the 20 hours, but the the real reason is, and I'll tell you some of the comments from the historic downtown committee. You can't manage grants. You can't manage sponsorships. You can't build relationships with our businesses downtown with only 10 hours a week. So this person um works with the state and our national main street America designations. Um this person is our front lines person to identify the needs, empty shops, things like that with our historic downtown to keep it vibrant. I had already ident before the new council came in and new mayor came in. I had already identified that we needed more hours for this position. Um 10 more hours a week I felt like was sufficient. So up to 20 hours a week. Um but then when the council identified one of their top five priorities, the historic downtown, I thought, okay, then I feel I felt comfortable in moving forward with that request. I respect whatever you'd like to do, but I just um I I think there's a great need for that.

So how are we currently paying? Because they're not in that position. There's no temp hours in the currently adopted budget, the 26 budget.

That's what I was getting at. So the 25 budget, it it used to be a contract employee and in 25 we had $8,000 budgeted for that contract employee. Well, in 26 we were we reduced the $8,000 in the in the Main Street budget line because we're going to make it a part-time employee. And for whatever reason, that $8,000 didn't get shifted into the into the part-time temporary employee, which is why I'm asking it sounds like I'm asking a lot more than than what I would have asked. It should have been about $8,000 already in that line. And I'm not sure if that was on my end or if that was in a mixup with transition of new finance staff or what it doesn't really matter because we were okay as far as covering that position.

But where did the $8,000 go? It's it it's been paying. Oh, where did it go? Yeah, it moved from the contract labor line to the just went away. It just went away. It just went away. But I have It got reduced. It got reduced. Basically, I lost $8,000 in 26, but for better or worse, we had some staff turnover. Um, so we had extra salary savings in the budget as well as I've tried to spend conservatively and under my budget in other areas. So, what do you need in addition to the 10 10 more 10 more? That's that's that was my request was 20,000 to go toward 20 hours a week.

But really, Robert had his head first. Um I just had a question. Do do you have expectations and you communicated to those what the extra 20 hours would be and then do you have measurable outcomes of what so that we can measure is it effective or are we just YOU KNOW what what is the outcome that you expect with this increased salary? the outcome that I expect is is a lot of it is geared towards so our our part-time um main street manager she's she's trying to do as much as she can to build the relationships but one um and I'll tell you kind of the subjective outcomes and then the objective outcomes because I know you're looking for the objective outcomes. So, one is we just need to start better knowing our our um mainstream businesses, building those relationships better, identifying issues, vacancies, etc. Um, in addition to that, some of the outcomes that we're looking for is this person is going to is managing, but we've had to offset other employees have had to help offset managing the grants and grant applications that this person does or that this person manages through the Main Street program. They are the main point of contact through the Main Street program. They also maintain our um all the all the requirements for our Main Street designation nationally. So, if we hired a full-time grant writer, would that diminish what you're asking for to a large degree in this regard?

I I don't know that it would diminish I had the thought and Brandon and I even had the discussion with his part-time employee that he wants for events and this events coordinator. We did have the discussion, well, what if we just hired a full-time person that did both the historic downtown and event stuff and the sponsorship, but we're like, uh, they have their own niches. So, I I I don't disagree actually with your line of thinking. Um, the the only distinction is is that this person I I would say it goes almost with the line of thinking of what council member Schmidt said. Maybe we have a couple different people that do different things because I know Brandon with his event sponsorship grants person in a c you know in I think we identified in two years from now he would like to see that full-time and this person I've identified I think in three years I'd like to see full-time. Um, so part of the outcomes is the grant management, but also the real premise of the position is the relationship building and helping us implement when we start implementing strategic planning for our historic downtown is assisting with that. Yeah, Carter.

Carter first and then and so that the $8,000 was that just a one-time grant? Um, originally um my understanding is that it was it was three No, I think it was multiple years. It was It was like three years prior to that. So, we're not getting it again. No, we're not getting that again. The reason I ask is so it's not being awarded anymore. Okay. Cuz that because really the 20 would be Yeah. Yeah.

Well, getting back to what uh Councilman Cox uh requested, I understand that right now it's rather fluid, but we need to put some fencing around this money that is attached to a certain level of expectations in terms of performance. Um, it could it can start with I'm just going to visit people and here's the list of the things we're going to discuss and then this is the results. But then we have to start quantifying actual results, right? What what are we getting out of this person that makes the downtown more viable from a financial perspective, from a traffic perspective, from additional business perspective. So, we need to put the fences around. I'm happy to fight with the mayor for the extra 10,000, but the explanation you gave me, it's not enough for me to be content.

So, maybe it would help if I told you this this position just this last year was um uh tag teamed and was able to get a couple different grants. One of them was uh Cedar City was identified as like a pilot uh city to um for the main street Utah. And I feel like I'm I feel like I'm tripping over my words, but we have been able to obtain grants and reimbursements. So, for example, some of the Main Street stuff, um rather than even going through, they the Main Street Utah just directly reimburses us for some of the costs associated with what they've been doing. And so some of that grant funding has gone toward that. But I agree with you. I think identifying these grants that's that's part of the that's part of the plan. And I feel like I'm doing a bad job but explaining. Well, I just so you both both from uh Councilman Cox and Golan that the reason I did what I did was that same feeling like I I am also supportive of the concept of

of of um enhancing what happens downtown, but I I I struggle with okay, just spend more time without a clear expectation of what results that time is going to bring and the plan of how um what's going to need to put in place to get those results to happen. So, a stat that would be helpful to know, and this is an older stat. When I did grant writing, this was I don't know 10 years ago, and I would say it's even more difficult,

but when I was doing a lot of grant writing, the statistic was you got you received one in every 12 grants. And so my my point is is definitely the hope and the expectation is that we'd get more grants and dollars, but I just want it to be clear that this position, similar to mine as economic development director, there's definitely an element of bringing in business and bringing in dollars, but that's only half the job. the real half of the job, the first half of the job is the relationship building and all of that because if you don't have that, the second half of the job isn't isn't as effective. The the objective,

but that goes to my point though. So, for example, if if that's the idea of liaisoning with businesses, well, then what's the outcome of that? Yeah. So, do we have a do we have a detailed list of every building, every square footage in that building, what tenants are in it? Do they have um grease traps? Do they so we know what types of things can go into them and then how do we then become a clearing house to help somebody that wants to open a business know they can come here and be able to do it. I don't haven't seen any of that in the proposal of what would happen with more time. Mayor, I I actually appreciate that description because what you just described is exactly our line of thinking is that I want this person

not been in the proposal for us to understand that's what we're going to give you more money to do other than just goes. So yeah, if I may mayor and then I I had my hand in the air. He did. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. He did have his first.

I I I just wanted to, you know, inter interject something. We we we had a great meeting from my point of view with you and your staff. Some of them are brand new, others are getting still their feet wet. I think there's a lot of talent in that department and what I would like to suggest is based on our concerns in terms of what is the yield of another 10,000 or of 20,000 um get together with the department and then put out a list of of deliverables that are going to become part of that individual's uh dayto-day effort. Uh that way you can measure you know progress and and um lack thereof. We can start putting some numbers against that uh that individual's performance and then we can all begin to look for other areas that can help your team to develop more business. Right. And I'm sorry, I was thinking when you guys have been asking even when I initially met you, I was thinking you were talking in deliverables in terms of dollar amounts. If you're talking about what you just identified, yeah, that those are the exact kind of things.

I want dollar amounts, too. I want I I I think we need to track what all of the downtown is doing, right? and what contribution is bringing to to our community. And then we need to try to make that better uh more effective, more more u impactful from a financial point of view uh so that we can have a viable long-term downtown. Yep. Agreed. Councilman Phillips,

I just wanted to say that um I think this position uh started out as a main street program initiative which was granted and that grant is no longer available. But what the mayor alluded to is exactly what I want this person to do. We should have boots on the ground and be able to say we have three current buildings. One is 2,800 ft. One is XXX. Um it is this much this. it has a grease trap. Um, we we need to know those. So, when you do start getting businesses, you say, "Guess what? We've got two buildings on Main Street that are going to work for you. If you'll relocate here in the next 30 days, it'll be ready for you." And I think that's the kind of thing that this young lady can do. I I know Rachel. I don't know how many of you know Rachel, but she does a terrific job.

But I think she she needs more direction from you, and I think she we need to release her. She's un she's got so much potential. We have to give her some opportunities. But right now, she doesn't have the opportunities.

Yeah. Well, and the deliverables example that you gave, that's kind of what those are the types of things I was referring to. I guess I just wasn't getting that granular when I was saying working with our businesses to find out their needs, to find out what's available, what's vacant. I was speaking in more broad terms, but I haven't been able to get that granular with this position because I only have 10 hours a week. And so that's something very easy that Rachel and I and our other staff just as a department, we can meet together and say, "Let's identify those types of specific things that we can list out." I know we're already doing that for our manufacturing, for our retails. We're in the middle of doing that right now. And those are the kind of things that I want to do for our downtown. So, I appreciate the clarity in your questions, and I apologize. I I don't know why, but I'm kind of freezing up a little bit with some of your questions.

You're good. So, I just have one one follow-up comment on that. I I don't expect you to know exactly what's going to happen, but I what I do expect is if we have 10 more hours, we're going to write x number of grants a month and who did we write them to and what were the results? It might pass inventory list by the end of right. We're going to have an inventory list of downtown businesses and and their capabilities and everywhere, right? I mean, I we we keep focusing on that, but we need to focus on all the businesses, too. And if the downtown's not an option, then another business that is, right? Yeah. Um, so those are the type of things I'm looking for. Perfect. That's that makes me feel much better. Some guidance for them so that they know this is our goal going into it so that we have some outcome on the other end of it.

Okay, that was a nice long discussion, David. Thank you. Thanks. Yeah, thank you. I know yesterday we were so good. Yeah. How far behind are we now? We were at We're all right. So Don all caught with the library and I'll do my best to get you back on schedule. Uh any questions for the library? Your summary. What page are we on? What's the 10 d the number? Uh 1087 108. Okay. So if we go 108 then we get close. Yeah, you're right. 10874. It's page 12.

Yeah, page. Thank you. PDF 12 on the bottom. Yep. Thank you. We're there. I think it's very explanator. It's You don't ask for much and you produce great stuff. I think I think we can move on. Yeah, I do too.

Do you have any capital or operational things? Uh on capital, the only large thing we have this year is replacing the server that runs all of our uh our check-ins, checkouts, our online services. And uh then uh our computer replacement, we replace those on a stagger every three to five years for the public access computers. And so there's there's about $32,50 total between the server and replacing about 10 of the computers. So since there's no revenue on here, I'm assuming you haven't budgeted any increase in revenue. No.

So you think it's just status quo? Is there anything that you could do to increase revenue? I mean, we need to be looking at the revenue side of these things. I mean, because because the rest of them are pretty fixed and that drops the bottom line. Um, are there any other programs, any other new uh technology out there that can help us uh increase? I'm I'm sound like a broken record. It was one of our five things, too, Robert. So, yes, it was. So, thank you for being the broken record. Um, but but it needs to be it needs to be a conscious thought process in this budgeting is where's the revenue and what are we going to do to change it? What can we do to to help it to increase it? I just thinking now we did it last year. It's all good. That's that's what we call Sally. Same as last year.

Don, let's move on. Well, will you walk me through cuz serving on my time on the board. Where are things at with fines? The library does charge fines for late. Uh, so fines are just for damaged or missing items. Okay. Currently, so we don't charge a late fine. No, we we got rid of them, right? We had them and then we got rid of them. And uh my understanding on that is that you're more likely to get the books back. Uh if someone has, you know, built up a ton of late fees, they just don't bring it back and we never see them again. Where if we don't charge a late fee, they bring it back. They'll get it. But we'll get it back late, but we'll get the book back. We still get it back.

Okay. So, on the revenue side, sorry. It are is it pretty trending exactly the same number? because we don't have it. But I've seen some that are trending downward, but we still just keep it. We There's no change. Well, it's right here under library fines. I'm not seeing um that's because you have to go to the the city's charges for services schedule. It's on page two, PDF 2 or actual two. So, probably PDF one maybe. No, it'll be PDF 3. So, go to the very bottom. See how we have charges for No, one more. Go one more page. We have charges for services at the very bottom. Nope. Keep going. Bottom.

Um I'm gonna ask a question while he's looking that up. I just I assume the answer to this, Mr. Bitman, um is because we pay in our property taxes a library fee in our in our county property taxes. Um is that so all of our services at the libraries are free? I mean, does that kind of go hand in hand? There is a library. There is a library tax. It's imposed by Iron County. Correct. Years ago, we struck a deal with Iron County about how to split that uh revenue they get from the library tax, how to split it up. Uh we get the bulk of it because we have the bulk of the library assets in the county, right?

The library tax doesn't come close to paying the operational cost of the library. So, um yes, it helps offset our costs, but no, it shouldn't make books free. So, so well what I was getting at is we have rooms at our library and they're booked all the time, but they're free. Uh, they are free for uh nonprofits and things of that nature. If it's a business, they do pay for the room. Okay. Well, in the idea of increased revenues, maybe maybe we look at um a really reduced fee for nonprofits, but they pay 25 bucks to rent a room or something. I'm showing your total revenue is 2500 bucks.

Terry, do you have any idea where those room rental fees would come in? Um I I don't but um the Iron County Library is 1785 for next year. That's what they So as far as far as forms of revenue other than the government entities, all there is is the fines for when a book is damaged and the little bit of room rental, right? There's nothing else he charged for at the library. Uh there's the the fines. Uh there's fees for room rentals and such. Uh and then we charge for copies, uh 3D prints, uh anything. You have book sales where books and sometimes we have book sales. Sales there should be a line item for that.

Library finds and then uh we we do apply for quite a few grants. Uh that world uh it fluctuates tons of them. Uh, I didn't see in our revenue this year state grant for 10,000. Am I mistake? Did I miss it? I just got added at the last budget report. It's actually in there. Okay. Yeah, it's DCC library grant 10,000 was added. Yes. Because that's pretty consistent. We've been getting that for a lot of years. Yeah. So, I mean, I know it's going to be a small number, Terry, but maybe after could you follow up with us and just let us know where all those different Yeah. The library fees are 11,22. Where do you see that? They're on

I prefer to pull them all together on one page if it's library related because there I mean we have revenue. Oh, library fees. There it is. Pages. It's right above the fines. It's just really hard to track and see what's going on. You have a lot of revenue. You do. Yeah. Comes from a lot of different places. From a lot of different sources. I mean, we keep looking for a index to a certain operation and and a lot of it we probably could do a better job doing that with, but that whole revenue page, you go through the energy taxes and and all the other sources of revenue we have and it is three pages long. So, there's a lot of different sources. So, those library all the ones related to library together. Sure. No, I'm

you know that's I think if I could help with this just to keep us moving. So takeaway would be um as we move forward Terry maybe doing our budget to where if there are revenues specific to any department that we try to group that with the expenditure side so it's easy to reference and kind of see um and then you've got the word loud and clear I think of just continuing to think about ways that we can increase revenue. Well, it helps us to determine if we want to approve an expense if we know what the revenue is looking like. And so, it is a very important part of piecing all together. Yep. So, that's very good thoughts. So, any other questions on on Don's budget? Nope. Okay. Thank you.

Thank you, my friend. Yeah. So, he does get 11,000 and the 25. Jason Clark, manager, Heritage Theater Festival Hall. Do you know your account number by any chance? Yes. Uh 1092. Thank you. 1092 where all the revenue is situated back up in the revenue pages. All right. So, is he in that page? Hang on. It's 14 on PDF, 13 on the budget. Yeah, that's the expenditures, right? That's correct. His revenue is not in there. His revenue is up above. Yeah, it's going to be on Heritage Center use fees. So is that everything he would bring in falls under that one line item. Terry,

where is that? It's on page two. Yep. So it's heritage. It's the very bottom. It's the fourth one from the bottom. It says Heritage Center use fees. So this year he's budgeted to bring in $127,500. Yeah. So that why is there a reduction? Is that because of the maintenance? That's based on um year-to- date and um experience over the years. That's us trying to be conservative in our uh conservative on our revenue and I mean Right. You don't want to Yeah, we we're we're we're not ashamed to say that we budget things very conservatively.

So, but the thing is last year's actual was 173. It was the highest year we've had. There's a trend upward every year. I'm 140 172 and then it went down uh last year. Do we know what the drop was

um there's a there's a wide v variety of rooms that can be rented um and depending on usage uh I don't have a specific answer for you uh but there is a variance from year to year uh if someone is renting a more expensive room more often um you know we are you know we're working to have as as high a capacity as possible. How do you know if do you have the ability not right here to put you on the spot the ability to know specifically how it was that is missing out so that you can target those kind of things to bring it up 30,000 more um I mean because that's uh

yeah so for example can you pull your software program and say this room was never rented this one was booked all the time what makes the difference from 24 to 25 is what I'm interested in and then if there's the difference then we can target that difference and have multiple events going on simult simultaneously to fill that $30,000 gap again. Okay. Um that's something I I can do. Um but you know, not at not at spur at the moment. No, no, no. I don't expect it.

Okay. In in the proposed fee schedule we have here, I've targeted the rooms that are the highest use and the highest demand and and I've increased those rates. The rooms I have not touched are rooms that get infrequent use. Um, so we're trying to make sure that those rooms that are always in demand, we're going to maximize a return on those rooms. Sorry, he was just asking me a question. Um, page two of the budget, page three on the PDF. One quick question I do have. So, this heritage center use fees, that's everything upstairs and the theater. Correct. Okay. We don't separate them. Well, that would be theater. Yeah.

Okay. So, do we get all the because the upstairs portion we own in conjunction with the county, correct? The county owns Festival Hall and the the original area was a uh downtown improvement district and the county put forth the money to turn it into the convention center, but they did not feel they were in the position to administer it. And so they came to the city and asked could could we administer it um on the caveat that you know um we could keep the operating fees but we but they they could use it for free and that we would do the general upkeep. Now from time to time the county has come in with money for some capital improvements over the years for the

So that's the arrangement that we currently have with the county. Okay. Perfect. That's what I thought.

Sorry. Go ahead. Okay. So, I mean, obviously the big ask is for another million dollars uh for the upcoming renovation. Um we certainly would appreciate your support in that. Um the facility has uh had a uh a wonderful run for 20 plus years now, but we are reaching the end life cycle of several things, carpet, seating, some of the sound and lights. Um we are proposing some a some modest fee increases. I understand there was some concern maybe these increases weren't large enough. We have had fee increases over the years. Um even when we have not requested it, I have actually put those in. Um we try to keep those relatively percentage low yeartoyear. Uh a lot of our groups are nonprofits and uh they plan you know what their expenses are. Uh I do plan on having another rate increase next year. Uh, I do hope that there is an opportunity with the administration and council to sit down during as we go before we go into the renovation and while we're in renovation to really review what is the mission of the theater coming out of the renovation um, and look at contracts, rate schedules, also what is what do we want to accomplish? Uh, the main charge I was given when I took over management was get the building filled. Well, that's not a problem anymore. We have basically as much capacity, at least in the theater side, as we can handle. Um, but some of the some of the groups that come and perform, their audiences are relatively sparse. So, we want to look at, you know, do we want to just let it be first come, first serve as we are, or do we want to prioritize certain organizations or events over others? So, those are things that uh I believe are above my pay grade and I certainly would love

administration and council's input on that. Uh, and I think the the ideal time is to roll that out with a refreshed and renewed building. I think doing it in advance of that um you know would be a little wonky, not impossible. Um, but that's my thinking on that. And and just so the council is aware, I didn't put in there on mine the million dollars. And part of it is because I want that to happen before I'm comfortable sinking money into the renovation. I want us to have a real plan of how we're going to make this thing make more money. Um and then let's invest in it. But it's not that I don't support the idea of having the theater or or wanting to have it, but I want the plan to be in effect first and to go to Scott first and then to Phil. Um, I was one of those people that felt that maybe some of the rate increases were too minimal when it first came up when we're increasing a rent by $15 instead of $25 an hour, whatever it was. But beyond that, um, I think that we had discussed as a previous council, and I realize we have two new council members here, um, a premise that we wanted to try and move forward on this renovation project. and the mayor and I have talked so he I'm not speaking from anything he doesn't know about. Um I would advocate that the remodel is still very very important for us. Uh my question for you though would be um in your opinion uh because you deal with a lot of the theater performances that go in there, dance performances, live performance I should say. Um are conventions more lucrative for us financially? Now I'm talking about smaller conventions. We can never host large conventions because we only have 990 seats or something. But is there more revenue on that side of the equation to be got for us if we push more in that direction down the road?

The the one thing that's significantly holding us back with conventions is um dining space. Um, yeah, we can seat, you know, 900 plus people in the theater, but I don't have anywhere that I can seat 900 people and feed them. And so, what you're really limited in convention space is you're limited to the 200 300 max because by the time you have a convention, you know, there's almost always a, you know, a meal, those kind of things. And so, if there is a way that we can expand that, I think we could really tap into some convention opportunities. Can we not do that in the basement of the building? Well, we're still maxed out at about 300 when you

Yeah. Yeah. You'd never get 900 people in there, but the university doesn't have that either unless you go into the central marina itself because the great hall only holds about 300 and the Sharwan Smith ballroom only holds about 450. So, even they can't host 900 people at a time. I mean, we've had conventions over the years. Um, uh, the biggest problem is the threshold at which we can accommodate their needs. And really when you when you limit it to two 300 of the outside, people start looking for other venues in other in other communities. And that's really the main thing that's held us back.

Um, and then my last question, I'll try and not dominate this conversation because I have reviewed everything very carefully and you and I have had conversations about the recommendations from Scheler Hook. I do believe that we can get substantial changes to that facility and make it very commercial commercially viable for about three and a half million dollars give or take. Uh but we only have a million and a half right now. And I'm going to ask my fellow councilman to think about this seriously as we move forward. There's many requests. We can't do them all. I understand the mayor's concern and I get it. Um, theater facilities, performing arts facilities never pay for themselves. They don't in Salt Lake City. They don't in San Antonio. They don't in Orange County. They don't pay for themselves. But that doesn't mean you don't have them, right? So, we have to just find a way to increase our revenues and make it more viable. But I would advocate that we seriously look back trying to to reinstate some of that money. Thank you, Mayor.

Councilman Phil or sorry, Phil Councilman. That's okay. or brother Schmidt. I've been called Philip once in a while. Not too often.

Um well, I appreciate all your your efforts that you're trying to do. uh as just a business standpoint as I look at what revenue we're making and what we're asking and where we need to go, I would hope that you would seriously consider or review and and I don't know, maybe get with Councilman Phillips or or your committee or somebody. We have got to make a little bit more money than what we're making here. And it's kind of like the golf course. We told Jared just Jared, you know, your the golf course is packed. Raise your fees a little bit. you know, it uh it's okay. And I think that uh we want to make it for everybody, but we need to make this a little more uh viable, too, for the city to we pretty tough to fund 300 $3.5 million on $170,000 income.

Well, no, that's 170 was two years ago was 140 last year. We're budgeting 114 this year. And that's that's why I'm wanting to know if you say you're what's going on. Then we got to do something different to get back to the 172 at least because we know we can do that.

And then and then the other the other thing with that and and I agree with Councilman uh Cox here. The other thing is if we're going to be pushing this, there's a few things on the punch list items that that need to be repaired. I would hope that we if if we're going to be asking people to come, I would hope that we would take care of the things that could be detrimental to more people coming. Do you understand what I'm saying? If there's things that are getting to be toward a hazardous state or that are not going to work, that's not going to help uh with the with the theater. I think the sound that's what the

Yes, the sound of lights. We're we're in a situation where we can reach a point where we have a catastrophic failure of the lights or sound system and then you don't have a functioning theater and we are basically living on borrowed time now. Um we we are extending the life of the equipment beyond its natural life cycle and so you know we can only you know we can we can only um you know put the wheels back on the bus so many times before we need a a revamp.

Yeah. So, I I'd like to see a plan, a breakdown of where your expenses are, what your costs are a little more, and what you or what you really propose to do to help this budget and what what price increases or whatever, but uh we got to do something to fix this revenue. We're on a downward trend. We need to be on an upward trend. Agreed.

Okay, Councilman Golan. So, um I read an article uh about two weeks ago uh that is put out by uh a department at the university and I think it's in the state of Washington. I'll I'll I'll bring that up in a minute. But um basically they they go around and study places that use um tourism in general as part of their economic foundation. Right? And one of these places that they used as an example was the island of Guam. The island of Guam is got it's beautiful. I mean there's beauty all around. So they have always tapped into that beauty to bring tourism from places like Japan and Korea and China. Um the problem was that Guam loved the revenue but didn't reinvest strategically in the in the island so that they could continue to attract more and more and more. So, what ended happening it was uh they got to a point where they're going, "Oh crap, we just lost $30,000 in revenue and oh, there goes another 20." So, they did a Hail Mary. And they said, "The Chinese have a lot of money, so we'll just build the casino and they'll all come and play."

Well, the casino was never finished. Uh the island is back in a in a state of almost bankruptcy and the one revenue generating venue which is tourism went away. Now nobody wants to consider Guam as a destination. Um, the reason I bring this up is, uh, as I was reading that very short article, I started thinking about our revenue base, our Shakespeare festival, our theater that brings in all kinds of tourists for different plays and different events, uh, and so on and so forth. And I think that we need to kind of gather the people that are involved in this and take a real hard strategic look at the future of our tourism within Cedar City because it doesn't it doesn't run long on automatic pilot. It it'll diminish

in in itself and it'll implode. So having said that, it's a different question kind of above a lot of our pay pay grades but necessary to have. I do agree that there are things that have to take place in this theater now. Otherwise, we're going to come to a spot where we're just going to have to board it up and then figure out what we do with the building because it's not going to be able to be used for the purpose for which it was put in there. Uh sound is one. There's some safety issues when I remember reading that long report that uh came in. There's a couple of other things that perhaps is not a million dollars, but we cannot afford to have the theater assume that it's going to continue to operate and be viable for anything. And I I agree with the point of uh really evaluating because when you actually look at the theater, the number of events that are held there that bring outside people into town, very low.

Yeah, they're all local events for local people that are not generating even sales tax revenue from getting beds and heads. And and to me, I I the reason I again didn't put it in the budget is I want us to deal with that now of what the plan is because the reality if the sound went out today, we we would lose $100,000 in income. Yep. Yeah. Which is the end of the world. Phil and I were just talking about 100,000. That's 600,000. Yeah. Yeah. So, so,

so, so to me, if we don't have the plan in place, then it's all sunken cost. It's all wasted money until we actually have a plan of how we're going to make that theater generate more revenue and be more and I agree with Scott 100%. It's I I there's an element of it that it'll never pay for itself. I don't expect it to, but I think we're we're far below the opportunity that exists there at the way we're currently running the theater. And to that point, I think uh mayor that um that we shouldn't assume that by isolating this we're going to everything else is going to continue to operate and generate what it does. I think we are at a at a point in time in the city where these major attractions, the things that make us festival city need to be evaluated. They need to be revamped. they need to be reinvigorated and um maybe we need to do things like national advertising and all kinds of other things to draw people but

and that's all I'm doing is using this as leverage to force that discussion to happen. Well, you got it. It's not that I don't support the theater, but we can't just keep doing what we've always done and expect it to get better. Yeah. When you do what you do, you get what you get, right? Okay. Anything else? Any other questions? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right, we are coming up. I'm all warmed up now. Kidding. What's your account number under public works, sir? Uh, which one of the 10? Well, are you doing the your office first? We're going to start with 10. I think it's 10. So, which Hey, Ryan, can I ask you one thing? Yeah.

Well, you're going to I am. Well, this one's his this is his one. I know. Uh on this and that's that's great. But on each other ones, the airport, the street, the water, the storm drain or whatever. I would like to hear from the department heads of those departments. Are they not the ones that put He's asking for your division heads. Ryan's the department head.

Yeah, the division heads. I'd like to have instead of you doing everything on each individual one that has a department head, I would like them to talk. So, yeah, they've all been invited. They're all going to be here during their times. Usually, what happens is that they come up here with me. Um, I go through what the budget proposal was and then we go through some of the I've met with each one of them. We've put together a little presentation of what we want to discuss with the council. We'll bring that up and then that's when you can ask questions. they they'll get a chance to talk to you guys about uh all the issues that they're having. Yeah. If that's because that's what I'd like them to present their budget. Okay.

So, what page are we going to start with? You're going to start on page um page eight. Eight of the budget, nine of the PDF. If you're Oh, I'm the only one on the computer. Sorry.

So, before we get started, I do do just want to thank the mayor. Um we appreciate the opportunity we have to participate in this budget cycle like we have uh the input that we've been able to get uh the ability to sit down and discuss and work through some of the issues and the explanations that we've gotten on what his proposal is and and our opportunity to sit down with the council and talk to you guys as well about um all the uh proposals that we have and maybe looking forward ahead five or 10 years some of the things that we see are going to be coming up that we need to just kind going to let you be aware of that we're going to be looking at and things for the future that we need to start planning for. Is everybody there? Yep. Yep. Yep.

I'm there. Okay. If you look at um our operational budgets on this um pretty simple on these these first two. Yeah. Um really not much different than what we asked for um in previous year. Um so our operational wise is pretty status quo and as far as the capital as well um under the administrative we haven't asked for any capital in that so uh no projects there so this is under public works administration administration so this is uh Anna my our public works administrator down there administrative assistant down there me the public works director yes and no personnel either right no no what no personnel increase no personel Okay.

Nope. I look at the summary page. They go off the Yeah, we like the detail. I know. So, any other questions on that? That one's pretty straightforward. No. Okay. Very straightforward. So, let's go through to public works facilities. That is um is that 1077? No, that's uh 6139 and 6140. 61. That's going to clear at the bottom. Yep. Is it? Yeah, it's page 2829 on PDF. There we go. Okay. Are we all there? No, still going. I'm here.

Okay. So, if we look at the operational again, uh the only thing that we had asked for is a little bit of an increase in our overtime uh budget and that was recommended. So, we appreciate that. Uh this one entails our blue stakes um person who goes out there and marks all of our utilities. He's under this this account. Um we just there are times where he's been called in after hours on emergencies. Uh so we just need to increase that overtime a little bit for if he's already worked his 40 hours that he's got to go out there and pick up some of that. So that was the only increase we had. It was just by 500. So we appreciate that. Um hi sorry I have a question on the transfers from the proprietary funds water sewer um is that is that based on some function that's variable or is it just a fixed rate or is it actual expenses that we fix their stuff and they pay us back?

No. So it's uh so public works that building down there is split between general funds and enterprise funds. Uh so what they do is they've just gone through and there's a percentage that they allocate to the enterprise funds to help cover those costs based on the size of that budget that department's that fund's budget. Uh it's it doesn't vary from year to year. It's a set amount set percentage that they're doing. So yeah, that percentage of that budget that's proposed, but the water fund may be larger than the sewer fund square footage for the same percentage each year. It's not the percentage when it was invented wasn't based on how big the enterprise fund budgets were. Okay.

The percentages are roughly calculated on water uses 30% of the facility, sewer uses, okay, 10% of the facility, streets uses 40%. That's what it's roughly based on. And has that been the last couple years? Because like four years ago was 88,000 from I'm just looking at sewer 88 59 and then it's been flat at 45. Did we do some different calculation to to come to that variance? Now, I wish Mr. Norris was here because he would know and I don't. I'm sorry. I can't. No, what that probably was is we might have had a large um maybe that's when we were doing our fleet building or we might trying to build up

our budget was increased for that year. So, their percentage of it was more and then it's come down. So it's it's that 30% is but it's based on whatever we propose in the budget is well I see the same thing in the sewer and others there's these huge ones then it just planes out in the last two years have been pretty much so there was there was some big well there was the fleet building and then the remodel you just did. Yeah the remodel the last couple years. So those kind of expenses will dictate that we get more from them based on their Yeah. They all got to pay their share. Right. Right. So if I go from a 100,000 budget to 200 and they're paying 30% they're so it's based off a function of what you spend for that facility. Yep. Of what they occupy.

Um then if you get down into the capital uh portion of our um public works facility, I had asked for 30,000. Um behind our building, we have uh a lot of asphalt. When I first started here, that was all mud and dirt. We've just over the years have been trying to patch that together. Um, so we go in and we fix certain areas. Uh, we got a couple of sections that are starting to break up that were done eight, nine years ago. Need to go and replace that. And then this also does the striping around the building and and any little odds and ends that we have around that. Um, I asked for 30,000. Um, that was uh recommended. And that's another one of those when you look at the um capital budget, it is split out amongst all the different enterprises. They participate at a certain percentage.

So Terry, I don't see that in the summary at all. No, it didn't either. Public works, there's no under capital. There is nothing. It's not public works, it's facilities, services. Services, it's number one priority and it's on page 38 of PDF, page 37 of the budget. Hold on. It's the very top item. Oh, facility services. Okay. building improvements and pavements. Okay. And then you're just allocated them all the Yeah. So now there is a question here. Uh when I'm looking through the actual budget, uh it looks like 198,000 was proposed there. Um we'd only asked for the 30. I'm not sure if that's just some that didn't get cleared out or if there was something else the mayor was adding into that that was making that up.

198,000. Yeah, that's on page 28. A great. So, if that was just something that didn't get subtracted out, we can bring that. I don't think the mayor uh randomly added 160 grand to anybody. I don't think so either. So, we're I don't have anything for you. It's not on our budget. Where would that be? If you look in the account budget down here under capital outlay improvements. Oh, you're looking at the detail. You're back in the detail budget. I will I will evaluate that and figure out what happened. Figure out what happened. I want to see. Yeah. So, it it's supposed to only be 30 grand, right? Correct. Of the detail. Yeah. That's why I'm I'm going back and forth. I'm going What page was that on?

It's on 28 or 29, whichever one looking at. Yeah. Well, it even says tenative 198,000. Should be 30. So, yeah, we we can redo the whole thing with that. So, okay. So you take a little bit out of everybody. Yeah. All right. Does anybody have anything else uh from the facilities administrative or the facilities that you have questions on? No. Nope. Thank you. Then let's move on to fleet. Who's here? And what's the number on that one? Fleet first. 1078. 1078. Thank you.

Pretty simple right there. It breaks. I fix it. I pay for it. That's right. You're going to fix a box truck for us, I understand. Retrofit one or something. No, he won't be doing that. That's mechanical. That's just a front labor going ripping out stuff from the inside of the Oh, well, there you go. Yeah. So, if you look down the operational cost, they're pretty much static with what last year was. So, there's just a $5,000 increase for subscriptions. Yeah. And that is you'll see that in all of my budgets. What is that? That is for the study that Terry talked to you yesterday about. She's taken a little bit from each department to to finish out that study.

The wage increases are basically cola and uh cost of living and and the other increases, right? Merit. The other increase is our computer and services because our software systems are going up in in cost. They're getting more complicated. They're getting more complicated. Absolutely. Yeah. You have to have them. So that's okay.

So that that's one of the uh items that we were going to discuss with you guys. Um and that just kind of segus into the RDA software that we use right now is kind of going obsolete. We talked to you a little bit ago about that. Um what Corey has done is he's evaluated some other software programs. They're okay, but RDA has come back and they're putting out a new program. Um so he's been working with them to work out some bugs. Uh I think Ryan is RDA your vendor is that is that a diagnostic RTA voluntarily associated is that a diagnostic software

and they have 19 years of our history in the software that's why we have a hard time letting them go. So it's not it's not diagnostic it's tracking and inventory management. So what's fleet management fleet there's so there's also our diagn software included in this too not the same system okay they have multiple systems for diagnostics okay but our fleet software systems the ones is jumping the highest so RTA eliminated their classic version which we've been on for years and years and years and they're going to web based thing and they've got us on it subscription but it is extremely like a taser did not make it user friendly for oh boy no tech geeks and so it's

anyway we've investigating other options. Um, we have not found something that we like in a price range that's similar to what's in our budget. We added a little bit of money to that budget just to keep going with RTA, which has been the cheapest one. By far the cheapest one. Cory, have they listened to you on any of your suggestions to make it better? They have. Over the last two months, they have made a couple of improvements. Good. Which is good. Yeah. We're still so we we are paid up until the end of June. Okay. Investigating other options to see if we can do better before that.

My guess is we're probably going to end up staying with them for one more year to see where they see if they can improve some things. Myiness is is 20 years of history. I don't want to just wipe that away. Yeah. Transferring all that data over what's that? Transferring all that data over to a new system is difficult. They say they can do it, but I have questions as to how much of that. They all say they I know ever. And so we're hanging on to RTA for right now, but it is it is increasing. They they jumped $2,500 last year, another $2,500 this year, which was completely surprised. Just about,

but it's hard to lose that history that you have with them. Yeah, of course. Starting over my daughter and for you understanding the system, even though they're now changing it, still you are familiar with what RTA does. We're struggling through it and luckily I convinced them to leave us connected the old system. So, we're actually connected to both and both data connected integrated together, which is nice. Oh, that's nice. So, there are some things I can't do on the new system that I can on the old. go back and it converts back. But I've only got two months of that and it's all okay. I have no Okay. So with

Councilman Phillips had a question with this program. Why did I say that? Phil, you tried. That's sorry. I've been as a long time. Uh, so you have a fleet control system software program, but do you also have software programs for like are Trackos or Caterpillar has a software program for their machines? Do you do you have Yeah. Do you have separate software programs for that also? Okay. And is there uh is that changing or is that staying pretty much the same? the cost has been stabilized. Okay. And so you

actually switch to another system that is kind of a general lot. Yeah. Right. All these different ones. You got to be able to plug in.

Yes. And so we've we've hired a new mechanic that knows this system really well. We went that direction. He's great with a great job. It actually has reduced a little bit because now I don't pay for this site. I don't pay for the international software, the dealer stuff. It's not as good, but it covers a lot more things. It even covers my software case, all everything. So now it's only cover 80% rather than 100%. But even when we were buying inside from it, it didn't give us 100%. We couldn't do any programming. We could just look at it.

Do you have your own computers out there though, don't you, that you plug in? They're all laptop. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Anything else? Fantastic stuff. That software gets updated constantly. It's the It's the fleet control stuff. Um the last thing that we wanted to bring up real quick on this, if you don't mind, mayor. Um previous administrations, we've had kind of different directions on our maintenance of our all of our vehicles. Uh, one administrative wanted us to take a look at u managing our fleet so that we're trading val trading cars in when they still have optimum value on them.

And then this last administration kind of switched that and wanted us to run till the tires fell off. Um, we're just kind of looking for some direction as to how you guys want to manage that because it it's difference on when we start to trade in V vehicles is is if do we want to start to get maximum trade in value off of those or do we want to just run these until we can't run them anymore? We want to give some direction on how you want to go on. Are you talking just pick up and cars or are you talking trucks, tractors and all? What? What?

We've already gone to some of the larger stuff like our garbage trucks, our dump trucks and stuff are on a rotational basis because they had so much um so much uh uh work that had to be done on those once they hit a certain amount and we lose value very fast. We've already got those on a plan. So some of the larger one would be pretty easy to put on a plan, but we're talking on all vehicles, all our smaller vehicles, stuff like that because those you have an optimal window to where you're going to get your optimal value and then it just starts dropping. So the one Oh, sorry. Well, I was going to speak mostly to police. I mean, is that still fall under you or is that would that be more No, police are already built in in their rotation schedule.

Okay. So, they're talking like the other just so everybody other than police and fire pretty much because they kind of have their own thing. Police and fire kind of had their own thing. Okay. Well, I was just thinking because of police, I mean, those ones it's worth it, I think, to go a little bit longer just because they cost so much to outfit. It's kind of that they have the the setting miles that Yeah. They become less reliable that they're on a rotation. I mean, give us an example of what you've talked about garbage trucks. We've talked police and fire in this. I mean, what else?

So, your dump trucks are on a rotation. Your garbage trucks are on a rotation. Um, our large uh construction equipment, we we run the heck out of it. Uh, graders, bulldozers and stuff. We will run that for a very long time. I think what Ryan's question is going to is like street department trucks, pickup trucks and cars. Do you have a recommendation?

Uh, we worked up that recommendation about eight years ago. Um, but we haven't updated that because the last administration didn't want to go that way. If it's the way you want to go, we will go back and start to look at that again. We'll start looking at what are those values. We'll put together all of our vehicles. We'll put together when the optimal tradein time is and start looking at what that cost would be. You could you could also look at lease options. I would recommend you do not do that for public safety vehicles because by the time you factor in all the gadgets and gizmos they put on them, the cost associated with that, and then when you go to swap them back in, you got to pay again to take it all off.

And then you can't reuse any of it because they'll change a bolt or a washer or a mount. So you got to buy a whole new set for the next car. So, I would not recommend public safety vehicles, but we have a whole slew of vehicles in engineering, um, in events, in our public works departments that don't they have a maybe you put a CB in them, maybe we put a a dome light on top, but that's about it. And they might look better on a lease option. We could evaluate. I'm a run them into the ground kind of personally that especially when you're got your own in-house staff that's taking care of them and you're not having to pay a mechanic to fix the little things that come up vehicles awful long time.

I I do think that um I mean I don't disagree with that sentiment. I do think as long as within that department they have enough surplus vehicles, the last thing you want is somebody not being able to do their job because they don't have the car to go get the job done. like that would be the most frustrating and that's why you know with public safety it's a little bit different. They have to have a vehicle that they know is going to start and it's going to run and it's going to get them where they got to be like that, right? So, um I mean one thing I I actually applaud the county for one thing that they've done. I this is neither here nor there, but they've moved to a large fleet of Toyota hybrid vehicles which I think is a brilliant idea because they last forever and they are cheap to run because you can save on fuel. So, I mean, and that would be my thought is anybody we can put into something that is cheaper to run is my opinion, but I I see a lot of guys driving around in trucks that sometimes I wonder if they need a big truck. I mean, sometimes they do. I don't disagree with all-wheel drive and we have bad weather here and so I'm not saying that, but uh I that's just my thought.

Councilman Waldo. So, one of the best managed fleets that I ever dealt with in the world is in a it's in Lima, Peru. And they do a combination of, you know, run them to the ground. Uh, but also with a very strategic plan to maintain. So they would do things like they had some over the road semiis that transported a lot of weight that usually they they are beer and soda manufacturer and so forth. And those trucks had a life on the tires that was specific. And then when they got to that that mileage, they took the tires off of those longhaul trucks that carried a lot of merchandise and put them in shorter hall trucks and so on so forth. So they they managed every uh depletion factor to the eenth degree to where a tire would service sometimes up to four different trucks depending on the usage and they kept rotating all of that. So uh I they did other things as well in terms of managing things like the rotation on the uh maintenance oil changes all of that and everything was documented and they were able to work. I mean they had some of my semis that they they actually had them for 15 20 years and these semis looked brand new because of this rotational process. Uh it was homegrown, very well thought out. Uh and you need people to manage it. You have to be looking at it constantly, the entire fleet. I think that our

diversified fleet prohibits that to a certain extent, right? I mean, you got all kinds of different types of vehicles in there. Um, unless you segment it and then do a plan for each one of them, probably going until they drop is the best solution. But, um, but there are ways to extend the life of any product if you strategically look at the things that wear down and then go ahead and use that in somewhere else where you don't need to have the safety and the durability and so forth. and and it works. Um I don't know. I I I think uh you guys know exactly what you have. I would be very interested in knowing the makeup of our entire fleet in terms of what type of product it is and where it's being used and then maybe there are ways that we can strategically uh mitigate additional costs. But

so we actually are doing some of those exact things that you're talking about. We want them in top condition. When they went to buying pickups, that helped us the rest of us out tremendously to pass down those pickups and use them somewhere else. We're also doing that with their tires. If a police car gets a nail tire, we don't fix it. We take that tire off, put a new tire on. We fix the tire and then put it on the street. Perfect. Y and then when you get one gets to this stage where you just look us in the eye and say, "Hey, this one's done." Then great, let's get a new one. Then you give it to then you give it to parks. Then they give it to the parks department. The cemetery gets it.

Yeah. It's a balance. If you try to sell every used product that we have at the peak of of its value as a used product, you're going to go nuts. I mean, you're never going to And you still get a lot more years out of those things that are that are cheaper years than buying a new vehicle. Are you getting any direction on what you need to do or are you just going all over the map? Well, I'm hearing a lot that we want to run them. Uh, obviously on these on the larger vehicles, we'll continue to do it on the garbage trucks and the the dump trucks and maybe we'll look for some opportunities for some of the larger where we just have a few of them. But I'm hearing on the regular stuff, uh, run them as much as we can is what the direction I'm getting. Yep.

I hope you I hope you heard one other thing with that. It's run them as much as you can, but take care of them. Yeah. Yeah. Which they do a good job. As long as you take as long as you take care and service them, then Yeah. But if they start to become and and you're you're you're going to know if they start to become a hazard, then that's when we say, "Hey, you know, we're done." Yep. Another software that he's looking at doing, that's what it does. It schedules out all his PMS and and make sure that we're getting him in there. It's one of the things that we follow up in our staff meetings is what percentage of PMs he's getting done. And he's usually up in the 98%. the ones that he's late on getting are usually the police cars or something like that that can't let him go. So, yeah. Okay. You're awesome, Cory.

Can I can I just ask a a question? Probably not related to the fleet itself, but um our our garbage pickup and equipment and department and all of that. We we it's all in house. Have we looked at outsourcing that and maybe adding through that process? a real uh recycling process in in our city. So, at 420, we're going to talk about collections. That's garbage. Collections is garbage pickup. Can I Can I put a pen in that one and jot it down here? Talk about it. Now, I'm going to write a note. I remember that to remind you in case you forget. Thanks. Thank you so much.

When we get to the solid waste, we're actually going the opposite area. We're we're asking to bring more in house. Okay. And to answer your question, as far as recycling, we have looked at that several years. We actually did have a recycling program here about five, six years ago, um, all of the distribution centers in St. George stopped taking it. So, it cost us more to ship it all the way to Vegas, uh, than it it was saving in our our um, uh, recycling. So, we opted to do away with that and not to pursue that anymore. Um, as far as I know, they still have not opened those distribution centers in St. George, and there was one recycler here that was looking at it, and he's chosen not to open one.

Okay. So, our metric was, would the cost we pay to recycle lower the cost that we pay to landfill? That was our metric to see if that was working or not. If that's still the same metric that the council wants to use, okay, but if you want to change that metric too, you're you guys are the policy sets. You're more than welcome to do that. Okay. They also found out that most of the trash that was supposed to end up in the land ended up in the landfill anyway. Yeah, I was out at the landfield the other day. There's still 78 to 80 years of life. Yeah, it's going great. And that's not that's just one. Okay, let's jump to cats.

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All right. When you looked at cats, uh the decision factor on that was are we going to expand or are we not? So, as you all know, we had the study that was done a little while ago. Um there were some recommendations that were made on that. Um, I presented those to the mayor um as to if we wanted to start to implement any of those recommendations or if we want to hold off on that for another year or whatever. Um, uh, the budget that's been proposed to you is based on status quo. We're not going to implement any of that. Um, so there was really nothing in operational increases that we had asked for. Um, as far as capital uh uh inventory, we just got two replacement buses and two replacement vans.

Saw them on our vehicles that were already hitting their useful life. So, we're we're we're staffed up on our vehicles as well. Um, so I don't think we're going to need to buy any of those in the next couple of years either unless we do some kind of an expansion. And just to be clear, I really put that back into your camp, Robert, on that committee to have you guide us after you get into that numbers and you come back and say this is what we'd recommend or not. And yeah, we discuss they've discussed and I think they've implemented uh because one of the complaints was it was taking too long to get to like two or the three of the main places that everyone go Walmart and this university rather than the local. So they they

and I believe they've implemented it now, right? or is that coming? No. So, so there the study's first recommendation in a short term was to try to reduce that from 75 minutes to 60 minutes. But what that did is that cut probably a third of our service area out. I didn't feel that that was a very good recommendation. I I don't I don't think saving 15 minutes down to a 60 minute is worth losing some of our coverage area. the midterm um solution they have is it would bring it down to a 30 minute time on the bus and it would cover a little bit more than what we are right now.

And that's why I was referring to is they would have two buses that meet in the middle this instead of one going the whole way. Um and and it was supposed to shorten time. So it was the same miles just two different you know but that's that's going to double our salary and that did not get recommended in this budget to do. So we're still doing what we're currently doing. What about shelters? I've got We budgeted money last year. I got them set into my yard. We've been waiting to figure out if we're going to change our routes before we put any up um after this budget if the decision is to stay where we are. Uh we'll go and start putting those four up somewhere. Once they're up, are they can we remove them after that? Are they pretty No, they bolt down to the ad. So, you can remove them. You just But you don't want to go through the work if

Yeah. No, no, I get it. I get it. Have you identified where those four are going to go? Um, we have started, we have identified the busiest stops. However, there's some that are limited because we don't have enough um, uh, rightway behind the sidewalk or enough space to put them there. Uh, one of them is on a busy intersection. So, we've got to figure out a way to move it down a little bit. So, we are looking at that and we're bringing that before the um board, the cats board to talk about where to put those in the best places, but we've kind of held off till we figure out the two places where I see poor little loan people standing out there all the time is by the Wells Fargo Bank on the north end of town there by the Preswitch property. South end.

South, excuse me. South end. And then uh the one across from what was the old Raada in what the Karen Inn now or whatever it is right there on Terry Porter's property. I always see people standing there all by their little lonesome out in the heat and there's nothing there and there's no bench. There's nothing. So the busiest one is by the subway by Smiths, but with Smiths moving, I don't know what's going to do with people shopping and stuff. So we're kind of holding off on that one. Always people by the hospital, too.

Yeah. Um, just ridership. Uh, our ridership is continuing to go up. Uh, back in 2020, our ridership was uh 15,028. We're up to 18,700 uh last year, and we're tracking to do a little bit more. So, it is gradually starting to recover from the pre- pandemic stuff. I wonder if higher gas prices have something to do. Uh, that will affect it. You'll start seeing a little bit on that. Okay. Anything else on cats or you want to jump to airport? No, that's clear. Okay. Airport. You want to jump to who you have here then? Should we just Which one do you want to do first? Are we ahead of schedule? Where we at? No, we're still behind schedule by 10 minutes. But

if you want to do airport, I'm prepared to do it. If you want to wait and see if he shows up, we can do that. You got two others here. Let's get them done and then and then if Tyler gets here, great. Yeah, let's get rid of whiskey. He's been here all afternoon. So, jump to streets. Yep. Page nine. Turn that on. Oh, here's trouble.

Uniform. Uh, what's page nine, you said? Yes. Thank you.

All right, gentlemen. What are your questions? Well, I feel like I'm on a hot seat. No, you're good. I mean, I I like to go off the summary. They go off the full thing. So, I'll just kind of run us through the summary if that's okay. And then Okay. So, in operations, there wasn't much. It was just one little $500 increase for uniforms, right? Correct. Okay. Um, anything else in operations? Anybody? I didn't see. No, there was several things in capital. Yeah, capital's got a well, a whole bunch of stuff. So, we'll But uh Okay, so dump truck with plow and sander. I'm assuming that's just in rotation. It is in rotation. We are still behind uh from the 2020 fiasco of of supply and demand. So, we're

Did they ever deliver the new dump truck yet? Um hoping by the end of next month. Okay. Okay. Sweeper, is that something that's just on rotation or is that We don't have one. We're getting We have one currently. Our our whirlwind vacuum is just worn out. It is beyond its lifespan. We're on our third third vacuum pump. It It's just not functioning properly for what we need. So, we're we need to replace it. So, how many Well, you got like four sweepers. No, I have three that work every day. So, this is a big one. 2400 North from Clark Parkway to 2200 West. This 2200 West, I'm assuming you guys are calling. I thought it was 2300 West.

It varies. It depends on where you stand. Okay. But so this has taken us from this would take us from Gemini Meadows over flying to through Flying L. Oh boy. Oh boy. Do we have all the Do we have all the other stuff we need? Do we have all the easements and land and uh we have some land acquisition I think we need to do. This is correct. Okay. But this is just for the You ready for those city council meetings? Those will be fun. We're going to go through Fly. Yeah. Well, Flyell has a master planned road right through the middle of it and that's where the 2200 is flying. Okay. Yeah. Oh, that just gets us into flying L. I'm thinking correct. Gets us through flying L on 2200 to 2300 West.

They have an ement we Right. That is master planned on to get us Yeah. So that' get us over to I mean as somebody who has lived in Gemini and it kind of still lives out. I mean that this will be beneficial. Yeah, that is definitely something. Eagle Ridge bypass Road. Yeah, explain that one. Well, that's the sinking fund to go. That's between the rock, right? Is that Yes, it is. That's the big one that takes people to go around the frontage area. So that we're just putting money into a fund. Correct. And this the one that they applied for a grant. Yeah. The grant So the first grant they applied for is a small urban highways. There's a upper limit on how much that grant will spend and we think we might have to go apply for it a couple times to facilitate that project.

So this is the first time we've started. We're starting this syncing fund. There's nothing currently in it. Correct. Okay. So, one quick question. Yeah, go ahead. Uh, on all these that are proposed, are any of these designed by engineering already? The Eagle Ridge one, I think, pretty far down that road because the grant

they've got they've got enough design work on the Eagle Ridge bypass loop to get through the grant requirements. So, they're they have a pretty good design on that. I wouldn't I wouldn't say it's construction ready, but they're far enough down the road with that one. That's kind of a general question. You in in reference to like the 800 West is in process of being designed right now. 800 West. Uh they've got that designed going through the one going through Watson. But I don't see that on here. Is it? Yes, it is. Which one is Where is it? It's not on the summary one.

It's not on the summary. Is that because it's already getting it's carry over carry over. Yeah. So we're already we're not asking for addition. Yeah. It's not a new Right. Okay. So that go out for bid this year. Um so we're we're subject to U DOT's processes and how fast U dot moves. So have to go through this next it'll probably go out to bid this next fiscal year sometime in the December Januaryish. Yeah. The frustrating part there was is we were ready. We had an agreement and then if we're going to use you do money, they have to do the acquisition. So, but you're dealing with uh Smith and Ralph Watson. That's true, too.

Okay. So, 170 West reconstruction from 820 South to Green Street. That one did not get funded. That's a timing one. Just there's other stuff. Where where is that? 820 820 South is uh just east of Big O. 170 West goes to the Trailside Apartments. Very very bad road. Horrible. Oh, yeah. That's a horrible road. There's other things that have to go with it. Storm drain and that needs to be a full reconstruction. One that we're that's not no budget for that right now. No. And that's one that we're looking at trying to uh coordinate so that we have it all into one budget season where we do the water, the sewer, all of it so that it's one big project. So could we uh apply for grants for some of these?

Absolutely. Are you working on that? Do we don't have a grant person? Yeah, I'm looking at one. Okay. I'm I'm hoping you're looking for one. I said I'm looking at one. Oh, no. He doesn't have time for that. No, I don't have time for that. I know. Asphalt asphalt patch box. That's just to your That goes into one of my one tons. Winter time when we're doing the majority of our patching for water holes, it's very difficult to keep asphalt warm. So, gotcha. Okay. Um Old Sorrel Parkway from Cross Hollow Road to West View. So is that just our portion of going up and over? It's a design. This is a design. So where the Henley apartments are, that's going to continue that road up and over and loop in with

the Henley. Is that the just just south of the arena? The big apartments. The big apartments are going in right now. So it's kind of So that that travels west over the hill. So this won't be in conjunction with Levit then? No. Is Levit still moving on theirs? Do you know? Not currently because they don't uh the Bruce haven't worked out a deal. Okay. Well, that's a great I hope you get So, this 500,000 is just a design work. No, no, no. That's getting it in, but it's a chip. This is basically taking that center street all the way across and through. You can do that for 500,000. It's proposed double chip road. It's not a prop in to allow traffic to start flowing, but it's not a fully improved situation.

Yeah. They don't have any water, sewer, anything going into disc. That's that's why it's literally fixing the traffic for now. When a developer comes along and subdivides, they'll rip the double chip out. They'll put the water, sewer, storm drab, gutter, just a chip seal road. They talked about putting curb in there just because of the slope to help with some of the water. Yeah, you wouldn't want to. Okay. Relocate. I think that's great. Sorry. Good. Sorry. No, no, you're good. Relocate fence along Wedgewood. Where is that? And then Wedgewood Lane the church. That's No, that's um

it starts at Terribles and heads southbound along the east side of Wedgewood Lane. And it's a fence that's in our ride of way. It's Lynford's fence. It's in our ride ofway. When the ride ofway got deed a long time ago, he never moved the fence. And of course, he's wanting us to do it. He wants us to pay to move the fence. And we said no. Said no. Beautiful. We declined his offer. Good. And then the wire or the actual construction of Wedgewood. We'll just do that at a later time when we've got more. Just from a priority standpoint, I think the other ones will make a bigger impact on our traffic congestion. So that one we we just wait until Do we have the property there yet? I don't think we have all the rest. No.

Which part of Wedge would we? You're talking 1600 North up to commercial by the old DMV. Um, no. No, still some we're missing. Oh, I think we're still missing some right away. Like that was a priority in general. Well, we have a trailer park that we have to deal with today. That's what I mean. The trailer park there. Center street's much more priority. That's what I thought. Yeah. Good. No. So, that was everything in capital and that's it. There's no personnel increase. Correct. Correct. There is. I thought there was. Not in streets. Not in streets. Okay. However, we do have a couple of things we did want to bring up to you. Okay. We're all ears. uh weed abatement. Let's talk a little bit about that. Which one? I'm sorry. Weed abatement.

Oh yes. So uh streets uh I think there's some misconception as to what streets does as far as weed abatement. They do have a sprayer and they do have a staffing, but it is spot spraying. So we're spot spraying the thistle uh and the white tub stuff. Um it's not a where along residential streets or just everywhere just wherever we see it. It's but it's not a planned out spraying every year. Okay,

that's something that if that's something the council wants us to start looking at, we can put together some plans of what we need. Equipment would be pretty minimal, but we would need some more resources to go and do that. Um, and then we would put together a plan of what streets and what areas we would spray, like down Cove Drive, down past the temple, down Sage Drive, where we always have weeds on these um long stretches of land where there's really nobody backing up to it to take care of it.

We could put together a plan for that of what that would take. And so, if that's something that the council is interested, we can start looking at that. In conjunction with that, I think there's some beautifification that I've heard the council wants to start to approach um with the city. Um Eric and I have s and talked about a couple approaches of how we can do that. One of them is we have an opportunity and we have been using um some contracting for our chip sealing. There's a piece of equipment that will go out there and do a micro seal for us. Um we've used them the last couple of years. Uh we seem pretty happy with the results they do. Um, there is some more potential for them to do more roads and more high volume traffic roads, which would then free up some of the current staffing that that Eric has in streets to go out and start looking at some of this beautifification, some of this weed abatement, some things like that without having to add more staffing to it. Um, so that's something that if you are interested in us looking into more, that's something we'd like to go out and evaluate their process and see how it holds up and maybe start looking at contracting a little bit of that out and freeing up some more of Eric's time to do some of these projects in the house that you guys

I've I just have a question about weed abatement. Doesn't the county do that or do they they've kind of shrunk back their program only? They they they handle everything in the county. We do everything in the city because they used to come and do my alalfa field but right so they've stepped they've stepped back from that. They used to do it for us too and then they and then they've stepped back. We do work in conjunction with the county because we're doing quite a bit of that weed abatement throughout Cole Creek right now uh with the Russian olives. So uh and we're working from Rightand Canyon all the way to Quit. I I would like to see us do at least a plan on what that might look like. Uh these folks did they do Fiddler's Canyon a couple years ago? It was a different company, but it's the same process. We've gone to a different I think that turned out really well up there.

Yeah, we've gone to a different supplier that uh uses more local stuff and and and has more. So, let me expand on that. Fiddlers, I was not I'm not impressed with the work that was done in Fiddlers. It was expensive. I don't believe we got the quality or the lifespan out of it. The company I'm using now, it's a different product. Uh so far, I'm very pleased with it. Okay. Oh, I want to give it a I would like to give it a couple years of trying them to see what it what I how how this progresses. Okay. Fiddlers looked really good for the first 3 four years and then it started fading. That was my impression. Yeah. And that first company was kind of out of I don't think kind of expensive. This does a lot more here locally and the west and

I think we at least look into that. Yes. Okay. Okay. Councilman. Well, uh, the one road right over there on 600 South, I think it's 1100 or something goes by the church, correct? Is that one of the newer ones that you did? Cuz that road's great. 600 was actually a chip seal. The No, the 1100. Yeah, by the Was slurried. Yes. Was microsecealed. And is that the one you want to use? That is correctly. That is the outfit that we would we're going to use again this year. Okay. I I think every time I go down that road, I think now this is how they should be. Those roads look fantastic. They do. So I I'm I'm all for supply. They look better than our chip sealed road. Oh yeah, I do. I don't like your chip sealed roads, but

it does away with it. Does away with the chip. It does away with a half inch. The road by the church going that way is 1100. Whatever it is, it's 1100. That is done very well. And I'm not going to lie, gentlemen, for the headache factor alone, it was worth it. Yeah. Well, the chips just leave gravel all over the place. And you and I already know what happens to people. Does the does that process preserve the asphalt as well? Is it still? Okay. Yes. So that it prolongs the not just it's not just the aesthetic of it. It's the preservation of the present works fine. We're using a black aggregate with the oil. Uh it keeps the road black longer.

And when we first looked at this, it was initially just for um light trafficked roads. Um but they do have a product that works for higher traffic that we want to start to evaluate. And if that looks good, we'd like to do some tests on that and maybe start using some of that. This this smaller stuff that you're talking about, we've only got two or three years of history with it right now, but it's looking good so far. And we're Oh, yeah. Look, it looks great. I got one one other thing. Oh, sorry. Okay. Uh the weed abatement or weed control. Uh there's several places you come down from the movie theater, you got all kinds of that, you know, if if we could start doing something that

just spray those to keep the weeds off the sidewalks because there's no there's nobody there. We did mow those last week. Just so you know, let's go. Okay. But and then along Cole Creek, um along that walking path, you know, those kind of things. I would love to see the city do more of that. Do a little bit more. clean up our town a little bit. So, bring us back what that looks like is the feeling I'm hearing. We can put a proposal together and uh obviously it for next fiscal year it'll mean a budget increase on that line item. But it it sure does a lot. Let's talk about it. Councilman Cox first and then Councilman Phil. So, I think you answered most of my question. It was about the slurry sill. Is this just a machine that lays it down, squeegees it or whatever?

Basically, that's correct. Yeah. all in one process of I just wanted to ask on this 1100 and 6 and 600 south um are we still planning a traffic signal there? We are. And is that in this year's budget? It is. Okay. Uh I just want to reiterate what I said at the council meeting. I want to make sure we're reaching out to the residents of that area about this because there's two homes right there. They're going to be greatly affected by this traffic. We are absolutely going to be reaching out to those homes with that are will end up with red curb in front of them. So, engineering has been designing that and been having uh meetings with the um contractor that they uh hired to do the design of it.

Um and they have been meeting with those homeowners because they've had to do a realignment of the crosswalk. Um they had some problems with where some of our storm drains were. They couldn't place their Well, I know. But the pole's going to have to sit in somebody's yard. Long pole. So, they've been having those discussions with those homeowners. They're pretty far in the process of designing ready to go. Make sure that it doesn't come as a while we're on the micro seal topic. Real quick, I'd like to just bring this up. You're going to broach this tomorrow in council. But, uh, the restriping of uh 200 North at 100 West for the park for

that that comes through council tomorrow. It does, but I I am scheduling that micro seal on that road so that we can restripe that with a clean slate. I'd like a blank chalkboard basically. So, I'm going to set that up for later this month. They will micro seal that road. We'll do it from Veterans from the Veterans Memorial all the way to 200 or to Main Street and then we'll come back in. That would be nice. Okay, great. Okay. Okay. Anything else for streets? Nope. Nope. Okay. Thank you, Eric. Eric, you want next? Thank you both. Well, airport's here now. So, well, he's still he's going to finish his while he's here. Yeah. Let's get me out of the way if you guys don't mind. You want to hit solid waste real quick? Oh, yeah. That's you, too. Huh. I have three of them here. Oh,

solid waste is garbage. So, this is your question, Waldo. Okay, let me go. If you want any more detail to your recycling and uh where might that Ryan and I like I like this combination here. I like this. You're okay with it standing here? Solid waste is right towards the end. Solid waste is page 26. I think it's uh 26. I got it on 26, gentlemen. Page 26. Solid waste. Okay. So, operations start there. Okay. Of what do you want to know now? Now, there's just your $5,000 towards the user fee. That's it, right? Equipment maintenance has gone up.

Uh equipment maintenance on garbage trucks seems to go up every year. Now, we talked Are you rotating? Are they on a We are on a rotation now. A friend of mine does a lot of trucking and he I don't remember what brand they are, but they're on a five-year rotation. They buy them back. Ours we we run it by the hours, but we're running about 6,000 hours. And then the the people that you buy them from, do they buy them back?

No, I I rotate those into the reserve fleet. Uh we have to maintain at least a two to three truck reserve fleet for holidays and breakdowns. the holidays. It requires every truck in the fleet on the road just to keep up with the holiday. So, we have to maintain. We've got four active running trucks, three in backup. Actually, correctly, two in backup because I lost one of them, which you're going to retrofit into a rolloff. So, okay. Okay. So, that's operational. Any other questions, anybody on operational? No, I didn't see any.

Okay. We uh we do see some growth quite a bit of growth coming uh in the next year or two. We're probably next fiscal year going to ask for another body and another truck in that department. Okay. So then the rolloff truck body installed that is to retrofit the truck. I had a garbage truck that had a catastrophic body failure on it and rather than sell it there must be a story here. They're laughing. So the uh no just the term catastrophic body failure. I mean, what the heck does that mean? The ram blew through the back of the body and split the body in half. Oh, yeah. I'd call that catastrophic. That's pretty.

So, it's too expensive to repair the garbage truck. The chassis still has a lot of life in it. I just want to repurpose the chassis for a rolloff truck to give me two. Oh, do we have a lot of roll-offs? Do we own a lot of containers? Yeah, we own a lot. Go down. Go down 100 behind the theater. Yeah, I got three. Oh, I hate it right now. It can't get down 100. I'm sorry. We're going to fix that soon. Between between lens sits there all the time. The one that actually sits on the road right now goes in the parking lot. We have it out because of the roofing project. So, as soon as the roofing project's done, we'll move that back into the parking lot. Okay. So, that's pulling off the old body, putting on the new one. That's everything. Pulling off the

We'll actually pull the old body off in house. We'll send the truck out to have it retrofitted. Scrap scrap. While we're on that subject, that rolls into one of the subjects we were going to bring up at the end, but I guess kind of rolls into it. Um, and it answers your question that you had asked there. Um, Councilman gone.

Um, Eric has come to me and has asked or has proposed that as a city we do a lot of contracting for the larger rolloff uh, uh, dumpsters. Uh, we're paying quite a bit of money. This is something that Eric thinks that he would like to take on. bring it back inhouse, get rid of those contracts that the city is doing, and just combine the service with what he's already doing. He's asking for a rolloff truck truck for the large bins that we do service, which are what, four, five. How many are there? Uh the 30 yarders. Yeah, I've got uh seven.

Yeah. So, he's asking for that, but there's a other opportunity for the rest of the city that is contracting out these services to uh you know, one of the local services that we could possibly bring in house with a small investment in uh people and uh equipment. So, what do you estimate the revenue for taking that on would be? I gave you those numbers. Did you? I didn't bring them. Um it the the average rolloff bin is about $300 a dump. Uh the arena is doing it four times a month. You have How about the cemetery? Cemetery is same. So So it's not revenue, it's lack of. It's lack of train not paying out. Yeah, we're paying somebody else to do it.

We're already paying the labor. We might as well just do the work. So uh we have the equipment. There's no reason why we shouldn't be doing that in-house. that will be done with this uh rolloff truck that you're proposing. That rolloff truck is in addition to one I've already got I I already have. So that'll make a second truck for me, which by the way we use for more than garbage when we're doing spring cleanup. The rolloff is a very functional piece of equipment. When we're sweeping streets, we'll set bins around the the neighborhoods. The sweepers don't have to travel to dump. They can dump right into those rolloff bins. They can dump five, six times in there before we have to go dump them. So I utilize those every single So just to be clear, this request is just for what we currently do. It's not taking on any of these additional ones.

Okay. If if your decision is to let's start looking at uh getting rid of those contracts elsewhere in the city and bring it in house, that would require another I I'll probably save a little time on this one. Until we have those numbers in front of us of what the savings would be, then I don't think that's a discussion worth having. So, so we know it's not a bad idea to consider, but let's like have the the math and then we can talk about it. Yeah, I think it's worth looking at because the dumpsters have been changed. There's new ownership and prices have already gone way. I have instituted it already in a couple of departments in the city. So, okay. Yeah, get us those numbers and we'll and as much as your current bandwidth allows you, keep doing it. Okay. And then if it's going to add additional people or additional equipment, then let's have that discussion that and we'll save that for next fiscal year. So

unless I mean I we can handle it right now. Okay. With staff I have and there's no staff increase in no collection just to add to support him uh we we did a little graph on our cans our new cans that have been out there back in pre uh 2020 we were doing about 350 370 new cans a year. Um, we are currently the last three or four years have been in the 550 to 600 year. So, you can see the increase of just the the new builds that are out there. And we're not even halfway through having to service and you're not I'm sorry. We're not even halfway through the year yet. Yeah. So, Yep. Wow. Okay.

Yeah, we're stretching you guys pretty thin there. All right. Last one. All right. P What were we on? 13. This should be 14, isn't it? What is the last department? Storm drain. Storm drain. Hold on. 14. You said I thought, but I'm wrong. Correct me. It's 5361. Yeah. Storm water. I know. 554. Storm. Come on. Here we go. 5440 is the count number. I think it's it's page 25. Page 25. Storm drain. Storm drain. So, the only operational is your 5,000 user fee study as well. Uh correct. So anything else on there? Uh not on operating capital.

This is where it gets interesting. Well, professional and tech services. That is to cover the That's the user fee study. The user fee study or the fee every department got $5,000 that they had to put towards it. Well, wait a minute. It went up $167,000. Yeah. There's a Let me get to my notes. Where are you looking? Right here. Oh, you're down on on the detail. Okay. which uh no line it was 12,750 and it went to 167 that is not $5,000.

So that professional that's another error that we had caught. We went up we asked for 5,000 for the study. So that's what uh was supposed to go in there and that's was approved. Um I'm not sure where this carryover came from on this. So unless you've added in that's another one that can be adjusted out. We'll take a look. We'll take a look at that. There's money right there for the heritage theater or downtown. That's enough to buy your truck. That's an enterprise fund council. Oh, dang. Stop it already. Can't be taking the money. Well, we got to have water lines put on Main Street. We have storm drain issues that we need to take care of. Yep. Okay. So, storm drain under capital. You're going to have lots of questions. Let's get into that.

Okay, we're getting there. Hold on. This is under capital. Storm drain. Okay. Yeah, there is a few things. Yeah, there's quite a few. Okay. Walk behind concrete saw. Just let you run through them. Do you want me to do that? Actually, I don't mind Carter asking the question. I'll walk I'll answer each one. So, walk behind concrete saw is to replace an old wore out saw that we have right now that uh my goodness, you could cut it with a hacksaw quicker than you can with that con. Change of blade once. Oh, it's got a new blade. It's just motors wore out. No compression. So, okay. Rubber tire excavator. That one did not get funded. That's correct. Why would you want that?

Why did I want it? Most of the new channels that that are going in, and you're well aware of this because this one of them on your project, the where I had access on both sides of the channel, I'm losing that. Some of the channels I don't have access at all or they're putting walking trails along the channel. You can't run a piece of track equipment on a walking trail. So, a rubber tired piece of equipment would work better on walking trails access uh probably about a 220 Not a real big machine. Or I'm sorry, a 320. 320. Not a not a real big machine. Uh so 314 or something. The wheels are heavy. You're going to they they are That's correct. The trail,

but the walking trail spec will have to be beefed up a little bit to handle that. If we're going to put walking trails along drainage ditches, they need to be stout enough to handle truck traffic. And that that might be something mayor we need to look at because the county just added 50 feet to their uh ditches and then another 100 feet you can't build or 50 feet you can't build on. So basically you're 100t back. Correct. And that's maybe something engineering wise we need to start making room for. We are we discuss we are looking at that. The uh the the second purpose for that is it would work for spring cleanup. We can run a rubber tired piece of equipment down the streets and spring cleanup. claw this stuff and throw it in.

Yeah, we're we're running two loaders nose to nose right now. It's a little antiquated. I'd like to like to bring that one back. You gonna do put a thumb on it and then scratch the street with four thumbs as you Well, no. I'm going to put a grip gripper on it and it's going to be able to grab a pile. So, I know. Okay. Um, move on. Storm drain betterment for I-15 interchange. That is for the south interchange. Uh, that's a must. It just we we have to do our portion. You mean that's part of the interchange project? Part of the interchange project. Okay. Sunrise Avenue. SD storm drain improvements. This one we have a pretty that's along the golf course uh on the Indian just just east of the Indian reservation uh behind Highland Drive. We have a pretty monstrous sinkhole that's threatening two homes.

Oh, we need to get in there, get that fixed, get the storm. Oh, is this part of that original subsidance area over there? Yes, it is. Yeah. So, our storm drain is it's like we we had we we did the storm drain project two years ago where it just didn't go far enough. I want to extend it beyond these two homes uh and protect them. Okay. It's all it is. Fiddler's Canyon Road master plan storm drain. That one did not you Oh, Fiddler's Can. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Fiddler's Canyon Road master plan. What What did you What were you trying to do there? That one we want to try and get it continue from Wedgewood all the way down to Main Street uh past Canyon View and into the system. that one. We We may have to pursue grant money for that. Okay. That already drains. You've just fixing the old drain.

Well, you remember where you were asking me about the storm drain grates that are up there at the new we'll call it the Kennot project. Uh they don't go anywhere. The the pipes block that. That's what you're talking. Yes. Extending that across the street from the elementary school. Yeah. Across the street from the So there isn't any drain there. They've done substantial amounts of dirt removal. Oh, I see. And we in injur engineering has has made them put storm drain in the ground to that point, but it just dead ends. It doesn't go anywhere. So, it goes in, fills up, and then runs down the road. Correct. So, why are we paying for that? We're not a developer. Well, but we're talking about taking it from there now and putting it across Main Street into Canon View.

Yeah, it's got to get to Main Street or try to That's what this project is. That's what this project was specifically targeting. when when all that when all that up there was initially designed, the way it was designed is they had to do their on-site retention. They just had to move the water off of their property and they used the road as their conveyance all the way down to Main Street. So, all of those developments, that was what their plan was. And there's a there's a big pipe right there and then it goes down and stops. Correct. So, they put their they put theirs in. Well, theirs does pipe into the pond. It's their bubble up that comes out. It's their point. 2 CFS that comes out of the pond that we're going to have to do. They should have been responsible to at least go somewhere. Well, there's a lot of would a shouldas.

Could have, should have, would have. Ouch. Okay. Um, storm drain upsizing for new developments. That's standard. Yep. So, if that's just that amount maybe changes every year, if it's standard, why is it in capital improvement instead of just as a line? Again, those are easy for us to track. Okay, gotcha. That makes sense. Sorry. Yeah, that's storm drain master plan which is the other part of that professional and technical that you were questioning. Oh, that's the other 150. That's the other 150,000. So 150,000. The storm drain master plan will focus on the northwest uh quadrant portion. We can't do the whole town for 150,000.

This can be pretty detailed. We're what we're going to try to So, we we updated our stormj master plan two years ago, three years ago, and we did a lot of work on this older part of town. Uh, in that master plan, there's a lot of detailed information on the older part of town. Some of these areas we're pushing out to to the north, to the west, to the south. They need a lot more detailed information, and that's what this plan will focus on. Gotcha. But it's more kind of like an update of our last one because we've got a lot of the downtown data already calculated in there. So, yeah, that's why it's a little less expensive. Gotcha.

Okay. Rose Hill Road drainage improvements and cross hollow drainage did not get funded. What the cross hollow drainage channel extension is that part of what we've been talking about in this whole RDO project? No. What is that one? What is this one? Do you want to answer that under the highway? Uh, right at Silver Silo, the box cover culvert that goes underneath the cross hollow there. They originally wanted to do the walking trail through the box cover, then pull all of the pipe up going into the pond from the end of that box culvert, make that back into open ditch and put a walking trail along it. I strongly oppose that program. So,

I can't imagine why you would. But we need to we need to in fact that's going to come up tomorrow this box culvert because we we got to do something get the grade off straighten it out because if it if it does what it did last time it'll flood again and then it going to flood everybody right on down the road. Well last time the gate slam shot. We we position a piece of equipment on every storm. Every large storm we have we will put a piece of equipment on there. Well, it's just a matter the the gate the grate needs to come off and the box cover needs to be fixed. You couldn't take the grate off and leave it off. It would be become a haven for homeless and it would they go in the other side. They go down the manholes. I've watched kids pull the manholes.

I seal the I've sealed the manholes. They can't get in there anymore. Okay. Okay. So, but but the question is tell me the cross hollow drainage channel extension. Are we that was not funded because uh we're trying to make sure I know there's a lot of development happening there and eventually with the Levit project they're talking about some kind of a traffic signal or something. Is that kind of what we're waiting for to see that all that would be a fair assessment? Yeah, we don't know what that trail intersection is going to look like. We don't know what the drainage intersection look like. We don't know what the traffic inter This was a cart before the horse scenario. So

yeah, engineering is looking at possible designs of the trail going across the road rather than underneath it. So, they're looking at a couple of different plans and that's why they're still in design on it. Okay, Carter, go ahead. I'm sorry. No, no, you're good. Storm Dream Improvements north of 56 at Cove Drive. Okay, this one This one's a little tricky. We are actually pursuing some grant money for this one for the entire project, not just this portion. We Do you want Do I need to explain where this is? North of Cove Drive. So, you We talked about We talked about it at your work meeting last week. Yeah. Uh this is it goes under Rangers. Yes, correct. Uh trip between Rangers and AAA storage behind Carquest

along the uh it's that $15 million grant. This is the $15 million project where all that water just drains. Correct. I must have missed that. So this this late in the meeting. If we do not get the grant money, this would actually fix the railroad tracks and do part of the part of it. It won't stop. It won't protect the building, but it won't. Yeah, we we we want to go after the grant money. Yeah. So, uh, mayor, do you want me to mention Rose Hill or No. Councilman, did you you were a little late for Hey, I missed that whole conversation. If you want when we're done with the meeting, I'll show you on a map where this is all going. Yeah.

When we submitted the budget, we didn't know we were going after this grant money. So, this 500 is just to do that portion by the railroad tracks. If we get the grant money, we'll do a larger portion of it and we'll break it into two phases. We'll do from uh well, Airport Road over to the railroad tracks on phase one or a little further and then we'll do a phase two further down. If we don't get the grant, then this 500 should still allow us to be able to fix our issue at the railroad tracks and that's what we'll go back to. And and if we get the grant, we'll need matching funds. So, it needs to be there either way.

So, it's good. Okay. 800 West. This is both of those are just to continue our I mean to get our 800 West project done. Correct. That is Well, the second one is actually through the Watson. Yeah, that's the new portion. That's the new portion. The other one is is uh Wouldn't this Wouldn't this be done when uh the road work is done? Yeah. So, the Well, there's two projects there. The first one takes the storm drain from along 800 West, but it starts at 200 North. It'll keep us from flooding. SU came down a couple years ago and they enlarged that. Y. So, what we're having now is all that water's coming down in the pipe. It's hitting the box and it's coming up

before it makes a left and goes west. We want to put another pipe to go north towards Cole Creek all the way from 200 all the way to Cole Creek. So, you got to get it to the beginning of this new road and then the new road should take to Storm Drain. Yeah. Yes. I remember last year during a flood the fire department had to park a fire truck over the top of the manhole. It'll about 200 sandbags. They can get sandbags too. Yes. Okay. Then this is a little deceiving because it actually doesn't go to Cole Creek. It goes to the Quit Chapot channel. Oh, okay. And then last is the Green Lakes Dam Rehabilitation Syncing Fund. We're not going to fund any this year. We'd like to, but we ran out of capital money. Okay.

Do they even have it ready to go yet? That's also part of why it's on the bottom. I've NRCS has told us at various times we're a year away for the last five years. So, I don't know. It's been longer than 5 years. What about personnel? And just, you know, the Rose Hill one he that we didn't fund. They're going to figure out how to do that. Yeah. And I I will Rose Hill's kind of an important one. We will we'll figure out a way to get it done. Oh, and then two new operators. Uh, two new operators. Wow. Tell us about that. Okay. So, um, Phil's actually very well aware of this. He's been having discussions with the irrigation companies. Phil, do you need me to do you want me to do you want to tell this or

Sure, I can.

We uh I don't know a couple months ago uh the farmers called and we've called them, they've called us and they always comes up a conversation about uh the drains on the irrigation ditches and who's cleaning the grates and who's doing this and who's doing that. and I've talked to Eric and I've talked to Jeff Hunter and I've talked to Paul Nelson and I talked to several of the farmers and uh let him know that uh the one guy used to do it very well but he did it a lot on his own time that was a city employee now he has since retired so in talking with Eric I said you know if we if we could help somehow and he says hey I could use a little bit of help to do that and we're thinking that these two people could not only help clean the storm drain grates for the irrigation ditches, but also clean the grates around town and then also help spray

and uh probably assist a little bit more with the ditches that do act as storm drain channels. I would like to see a maintenance agreement with the irrigation companies if we go this route. Probably won't happen. It's a great idea. Good luck. Okay. But I I I've talked to him. I told him that uh in fact I just talked with Paul quite a bit the other day and Paul Nelson and uh told them that you've got some people that were going to get some help coming and and um they were grateful and by putting these two gentlemen on it it helps us with projects like Rose Hill that was not funded but we can

we can do it inhouse much cheaper than what the engineers estimate was on that. We can do a lot of those projects much cheaper if we're doing them in house. And with that staff, we can do more of those projects in house. So these these staff will be storm drain, but they can also function under streets and highways. Natasha doesn't like to hear that, but that's true. Well, she's Yeah, she's pretend like she's not. She's here. Yeah, she's here. Just one quick question on all of these. Whenever we see a number for an operator or any employee, that's the total compensation, correct? That's salary plus benefits. Yes. Okay, that was

I think it's a I I'm glad that the mayor agreed to give you that and I think it'd be well used and I think it'd be well used by the public gives us the right Oh, it brings our staffing level up to a place where I think we we're safe for a while.

Well, it's within your own budget, too, right? This is an enterprise fund. Well, so but to go along with that also, um if not this year, then next year, if you notice our infrastructure maintenance budget in our operational account, um we've been at 63,800 for the last eight nine years. The last two years, we've actually overspent that to 80 90,000. Every time he overspends in a budget, he has to make up for it somewhere else in one of his other line items. So, we probably need to look at upping that operational, especially if we're bringing two more on and we're taking on more responsibility. So, one piece of work that you guys will have to accomplish in order to get that through. For years, um, storm drain streets and and solid waste have, uh, used each other's resources liberally and paid each other's stuff a little bit here and a little bit there. Um, if we need to have a uh more money in one of those enterprise funds for operations, we probably need to be a little tighter on that.

So, I have not I have not cross build in two years between departments. Okay. I'm trying to keep them in their line items. They belong in personnel. Personnel work personnel cross their salaries in here. I get it. But that was that's my point is if if we're going to go down the road of increasing this, we need to have a little tighter. Okay. I I I can justify that. Thank you. Okay. Thank you very much, Mayor. I propose we take a five or 10 minute break.

Yep. Let's do it. You were late. You were late and you got skipped.

You were late. All right.

Really? All right. knew that was the case. He was here for historic preservation. Mr. Phillips, Eric, how are you? Not bad. So, uh, Amber from Iron County has brought to my attention that, uh, They have an abundance.

Oh yeah.

Oh yeah. So presents to me.

So we literally have her go I don't know why All right. I like it. You ready?

Oh, there's gone out there. I need one, but I think I'll I will Where'd you get a donut? On the cabinets in the office.

Your choices are going to be slid by the telephone. I don't think 30 minutes late. 20 minutes late.

Yeah.

Still finished. It's only up here for a water. Told me that water.

Oh yeah. Okay. How do we figure That's what Holy Ghost. This is interest

water. Everything going crazy. the other day. So power they said, "Oh, we'll get on." But that's a road that Eric's going to do that sil. So we got to get it done. And so I lucky power this morning and said, "Well, we want to do our contractor if it's ours." So they're calling you.

He said he can keep us in your budget. piece of solid sleeves. They could call me when I went in and sat down with the neighbor. Pretty cool. I went right into the main office and said, "Hey, this is I'm gonna get the bottom. I'm gonna fix it either way. I've got to get done for one."

Okay. I was really surprised. He doesn't follow something. It's easier for them when they're building. corporate office and then directly. So when you say it makes ackn coming out.

Well, you know, I can see right here, but I can't see. I should let you go first. Hey. Uh, she pulled out a whole brand new box of donuts for us. So, there was all kinds of choices. She was. Yeah. It was in a drawer. We won't tell you why, but Yeah. We won't tell you why, but Have you guys all seen Tom Jet's new ride? Yeah. What is it? It goes He bought himself a new I I was one that told him to buy it. Goes 45 milesPH a 90° turn. Oh, yeah. Tom Jet. He bought him one of those Slingshots. Oh,

well, he wanted a motorcycle. He's like, "Carter, I'm going to buy a motorcycle. I'm going to buy a motorcycle. I'm going to buy a trike. I want to take my wife for a ride." I'm like, "Tom, go down to the Polaris dealership and get you a slingshot." He's like, "What's a slingshot?" And I'm like, "Just go look at one." He comes home with it. He's like, "Thanks. This thing's awesome." I'm like, "We had we had lunch today." Yeah. You had lunch with Tom? So, he drives in a You seen Tom Jet's new ride, Mayor? Oh, he drives a slingshot. It's one of those three- wheeled. It's like a reverse tricycle motorcycle. Two in the front, one in the back. I stopped. I just stopped. He called sometimes. What' you say? I always call him back. No, he he tried to. And of course, Thompson doesn't have a real roof. It's got a ABS type roof.

Hopefully Scott will join us shortly, but let's uh let's roll through airport. They're still testing. Okay. go through your operational stuff. First of all, tell them what account number you are. Uh, we're for expenditures, revenues. Page 60. Page 60. Okay. 16. 16. We don't have 60.

16 for the airport expenditures be the 2440 line item. Okay. So, um, starting off in here. So, we have some adjustments to salaries and wages. That's with the the wage study. Um, kind of following suit, we go through all the social security and other workers compensation going up with those uh adjustments made by uh finance. Um, so going into the airport ones that we put in for um going down to let's see travel training 2440 230. Uh we're requesting a $2,000 increase just as costs have gone up for conferences and travel. Um going down to equipment maintenance 2440252. We're requesting a $3,000 increase um to adjust for the new equipment that we've received. Um and obviously looking over years prior. We're we're typically over well over budget on that. So we're just trying to catch up with the rising cost to maintain our equipment especially as they age and as we add additional um janitorial. So, I know that's gone away from us and moving towards um the janitorial department. So, we're going to skip over that. Professional technical service 244310. Um that'll be for the uh the fee study that all departments have seen. Um going into audit, we'll skip over that. Uh 2440 312 computer tech services. I guess I'm not aware of this one. on the 14,951.

There was a a study done by by Lindy and um these amounts that are on the it are from that study. Okay, awesome. Thank you. So, code your stuff to computer stuff. Don't code it to subscriptions. Okay, sounds great. Um, and then going down to our uh 2440480, the special department supplies, we're requesting a $2,300 increase for badging equipment. Well, badging supplies more so um as we go to badge all of our tenants on the airfield. We already have the equipment that was installed with the terminal expansion project. We just need to have money to spend to purchase the badges and the ink and things like that for the printer.

Badges? We don't need no stinking. Yeah. Well, FAA says you do. Yeah, we're very excited about that change, but it does always come with a cost and more more uh efforts. So, okay. Um going into our our capital projects, we'll probably just want to discuss that on the the next pages. We'll go over for our capital projects unless we want to go over those line items. I just the Okay. All right. Any question on the expenditures? No. Okay. All right. Moving to our um operational quests on page 34. Operational or capital? Capital.

Capital. Sorry. Or no, this one's operational. We want to go over those. You just did operational. No, you just did operations. Okay, we can go over to capital then. So page I have it on 41. 41. Yes, correct. Okay. So we are the second line item on there u for airports. So number one will be our AIP uh design tax alpha phase one. Um that's just going to be the 5% match for our AIP grant. Um and is this just the design?

So this is the design. Our cost is about uh going to be about 780 some odd thousand. So it's actually be lower than what we're uh requesting the grant for. Um we still put in that request for the grant. So I'd prefer to budget for that and then come back and do a revision if it's lower. Um, number two on there is the airport terminal CCTV expansion for 60,000. Uh, that is to expand the rest of our camera system in the airport terminal where we have two systems right now. One's u a cheap online system. One is an advanced uh system that ties into our badging. So, we're looking to be more uniform, only use one system that's u modern technology instead of old technology uh for the terminal. Um, number three on there was snow removal equipment for a command vehicle uh for 60,000. That one was uh taken out of the budget.

Can you tell me what what what is the command vehicle? I mean, this is buying a vehicle or is this just the equipment to attach to it? So, this would be buying a vehicle. Um any pickup trucks with snow plows? That's kind of what we're requesting is non FA eligible. So, we're looking to to request that out of our capital funds. Gotcha. Well, we got to get snow to meet snow removal. That's a valid point. Last year we didn't need it. Council, I've been talking with Eric and Corey about trying to find something out of streets uh to move over to him that has a plow attached to give him some support for this, but uh he does need the smaller vehicle for the parking lots and Yeah, he does. Yep. Yeah.

Right now, our our current vehicle is about 250,000 miles on it, and it's with these two vehicles um to do the job right now. So, um, number four, re-roof historical domed hanger. We requested 50,000. That remained in the budget and that's the old 1945 hanger that we're trying to get a new roof on. So, yeah, we definitely would appreciate that. Um, do we use that or do we lease it? What do we do with it? We do lease it. Yes, we rent it out monthly. So, Okay. Um, to Mr. Jeff Obering leases it right now, but we own it. It is But we do own it. Yes.

Okay. Um number five, northhang storm water project. We requested 50,000 that was taken out of the budget. Um this is for the north hanger areas. Um where we have new hangers being developed. Part of the reason why we requested this was because the original design from 2008 from former engineers at the airport had um puts the hangers at different grades and then a small little dirt channel behind them for flood water. Um, so this was to put in uh piping and upgrade that because it was never installed and right now it's all above ground. Um, and so so is that is that our responsibility or is that the hanger's responsibility?

So this design project was our whole area. um as each hanger has built, you know, we've required them to to pipe in gutters or whatnot and put the storm water out, but nothing ever been required to put it between or where the majority of the storm water goes. Um and so that's part of the issue is we've never required anything. And now that it's built out, we're looking at a storm water issue between uh behind those hangers.

Yeah. So the existing uh hangers that have already built built to spec that was specked out back then. Now we're noticing that there's a problem. And there's one hanger that's getting flooded out. And that's where the discussion with the mayor had been in that is is that the responsibility of the hanger owners to go and fix that or is that our responsibility? The mayor's of the opinion that that's their responsibility to go and do that. Um, and I think there's just one hanger owner that's probably getting the brunt of it that's at the bottom of the line. And so they they build the hang they build a hanger but lease it on our property. Correct. Correct. Yeah. but they set their own grades.

So on that one, they're required to have a 1% slope to the from the taxi way to the hanger. Um that's kind of an FA standard. You can go higher, but then you're going to have to use motorized equipment to get your plane in and out of Is there is there hangers set at that grade?

It is. Yes. Um the majority, but I think there's only one that's at a 2% grade. So So it kind of creates an issue. Um, and one taxi lane for the smaller hangers is higher than the one with the larger hangers. And so the way they line up, uh, there's a a 4 foot 3 to 4 foot height difference between the backs of the hangers. They do have about 20 to 30 feet between them. Um, but yeah, it's it's looking like we're, you know, if we have a good storm event, there will be an issue. And this is on the back side. It is. Yes.

The hanger owner is not going to fix it. Um, so one of the hanger owners, he put in piping for his own hanger. Um, his thoughts on that is it's not his responsibility to pipe for the other hangers that are up in the slope from him. And so it'll be able to handle his storm water. Um, his concern is that all the water that's going to come from their hangers will end up in his. So yeah, this is something you and I could do. I was gonna say, is this something that he could uh with his contract that where we have some money that's owed that

I definitely think that would be eligible to put in there. We have have had um Eric come out in streets and we put some rocks out and things like that to help channel the water in a better direction. The problem that we're having is we just don't have um the grade and the slope to do a good channel above ground. So, we think that below ground piping would be I guess I'm just asking if this is a type of project that would qualify for. Hey, maybe we can get some dirt guy we know to help on that project. Yeah, sweet. And get some engineers involved on getting the right slope and everything. So, I bet the question is why why are we going to do that when the owners are the ones that are responsible for it? I mean, we can do it and have them pay you.

That was our question, too. And that's why we didn't put it in. I look at that as say it's neighbors figure out your water between yourselves like Well, but I guess I mean I I asked the question. I mean, maybe I'm looking at the wrong way, but if if let's say I owned, let's say we owned rental properties, just normal homes. It's a land lease. They built the building. It's a land lease, not just so they can figure out how they want to drain water off their property. They built the building. Because if it was a traditional style lease, it would be the owners, not the land that be the lease be the lessers, not the lees that would be responsible. Yeah, but they they lease the land from a reduced rate. Yeah. Okay. So, that income line. I couldn't find them on the

liability goes uphill, right? The guy that put his pipe, he's drains properly. The people above are going to drain to him. He's going to go sue them. And yeah. Yeah. I I don't know where it is. That's probably good discussion on that one. Awesome. Thank you. I was serious about the revenue where I can't find it on in the revenue. So revenue is page 15 be the 2439 line items. Oh, so that's stated separately. Yeah. Rents land is 2439302. So we're looking at uh collecting 132,000 for all of our land rents this year.

Which line item is it? Uh 24 uh 39302. So 302. Oh, you're being called. It's on page 15. Oh, 155. Gotcha.

Okay. Okay. Ready to go to the next capital project? Yep. Okay. Awesome. Thank you. All right. Uh number six will be the East Apron Gate relocation uh with the National Guard going to be hanger going to be built this year. We were having some traffic congestion issues where we have vehicles and helicopters um intermingling. So, we're looking to relocate one of our gates to help um alleviate a lot of risk and hazard in that area. Uh so, we're requesting 50,000 to relocate the gate to a different area than where it's currently at. Are they actually moving forward then with their stuff?

Uh they've only done soil samples. They're waiting for the National Guard to sign their 10-year lease. And as soon as they sign, then they'll break ground and get the financing for it. But that's been the past couple months, about six months, we've been waiting for that signature. So, Gotcha. This is on the spot across the street or is this still on the current the current area on uh Kittyhawk that culde-sac aviation? We're not talking about that big open area next to our fuel. Gotcha. We're not talking about the big one across 1600 North. Correct. Yeah. This is on airport. So, okay. So, we're just looking to put a new uh gate location to alleviate that risk over there.

Okay. Uh number seven, lighted X. Uh prepare for runway closures. Uh this piece of equipment that we put on runways when we close. Typically with FA projects, they require them. However, the um contractors usually supply those. So when we do closures on the runway, we were looking to do them to have equipment for ourselves. Um and that has been taken out, but we are covered on our FAA projects because they're required to supply them. Okay. So that's part of the contract when you get that contract.

It is. Yes. Uh number eight, diesel tank for airport equipment. We're requesting $5,500 for just a new uh thousandgalon tank for our diesel equipment. The current one is leaky. Um it's very dated, so it's probably time to get a new one. Plus, it only holds 200 gallons. So when we have snow events, we run out of fuel every single time in that tank and have to top it off um as soon as we can. You'll just set that on a liner. So, we'll just It's actually a a double wall tank. So, we don't have to still set it on a liner. We'll put it to how we're supposed to do out there. Put it Put a liner there because they if they do something and it overflows or sp Just trust me. Just put a liner.

I'll be giving you a call. I don't do those. But the just ask questions about people will have them. Just put a liner under it just for your own safety. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Okay. And then number nine, lighting and tea hangers. Last year we requested for putting installing electrical in our tea hangers. Um we didn't have enough to cover for lighting, so we requested $7,000 that has stayed in here to add lighting in those tea hangers. U we anticipate once these projects are complete, we'll re-evaluate uh the lease rate that we currently have. Okay. And then nothing for employees.

Uh nothing for now. Just a forewarning for next year. We will be requesting a a full-time for uh safety and security personnel to handle what we're required to do with our our safety management system. That's uh due next year with FAA to fully implement that program. So, we will be requesting for staff next year. Okay, great. Who's next? I just want to let you know while you're bringing the next person up. I want to let you know that um I've had a conversation with Congresswoman Malloy about air traffic control tower. I'm nothing set but started the discussion. Yeah. Cool.

So a couple of things on this on the budgets back on the operational stuff. Uh there are our utility budget, our gas budget and our telephone budget. Are we looking on airport you're talking about? Yeah. Okay. So, uh, Tyler has over spent all three of those budgets for the last four or five years. Well, stop talking so much. They are.

And so, um, what we're looking at is those are just kind of been rolled over. They haven't been changed or upped at all, even though expenses for each one of those have gone up. So, maybe take a look at, uh, if not this year, then next year because whatever he has to take out to cover the overages on this comes out of some other budget line item that he has. So, we just want to look at that. Those are three items that we don't budget. That's just usually carried over. So, we just need to look at um upping those a little bit. He needs to request that when he puts in his budget request. Yeah. Just catch those when you have you're filling out your paper. They're all on that thing. Also, also, if they're utility bill, code them to utilities. We definitely do that. Yeah. And I think in the budget packet, it instructs us not to. So, I can do that in the future.

No, there's only the only budget line items that tells you not to touch are the ones dealing with compensation. It doesn't say don't touch your utility stuff. It does gas. It says don't just estimate the number of gallons. You show them Tyler. Show them Tyler. Okay. I can go in here in the operational one. Well, we can request that. We can definitely request it. But if it is in there that way that we should change it is in there. We need to change that. you're we don't the employee compensation stuff fuel.

Yeah, the there's a list of budget line items that says skip those and that's what so right. Yeah. In um utilities 270 um states leave the following accounts blank. Uh 110 through which all the staffing ones but 251 which is gas and oil, 270 which is utilities. to 80 which is telephone. Um and then some capital projects auditing. So okay, we'll take a look at that. Sorry about that. No, I I apologize for that. Yeah, we didn't catch it till we being a good reading so much. Nobody else follows the instructions, but thank you for doing that. You're just being a good soldier there.

We know who can read now. The other thing that we need to start looking at for the future um is uh we have Tyler's pretty much the only one that is permanently on call for after hours calls and um for if he has to go in there for a late flight or anything like that. Um so we'll be looking at uh some possible overtime budget where he can shift some of that responsibility once in a while off to some of his full-time employees. Uh we just don't have the budget for him. And so he's been covering probably 90 95% of the time. Is this for commercial flights? Yeah. Okay. This is for accidents, emergencies, after hours.

No, but I mean if it's GA stuff, maybe we need to look back at helping some of the general aviation cover some of that. If you're having to come in, maybe there's a prrated fee for general aviation. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. They're usually not required to be there for general aviation. There's a problem. Okay. Yeah. That's more for emergencies, uh, things on the runway or other call outs where someone has to respond to the airport. Well, don't live so close and be the easiest one to get there. Turkeys. Turkeys.

And then the last one was back to what you had just mentioned on on um air traffic control tower. Over the next few years, you're going to be hearing a lot about this. Um, we have actually applied for a contract tower. The contract tower application will actually cover um the staffing if we do build a contract tower. If we get accepted to that, then FAA will cover the cost of all of that. However, the environmental and design costs are going to be worn by the city. Uh if we do put a tower in, FA grant and state grants we're applying for um about 15 million each one to try to see if we can get either one of them. that would build the tower itself and then to equip the tower the city would be responsible.

Can we include the environmental and stuff into some of our grant writing? So, we can um you're less likely to get funding. Typically, they want to see it's sort of like a match. They want to see the city or the airport investing into this project. Um that's what we've seen other airports do to um help get those grants. Gotcha. So, this has got four pieces we're trying to chase and have them all come together. Yeah. The city's gonna there is some responsibility. St. George saw this when they built their tower. They didn't realize all the costs that to equip it and then yeah do all that. So keep in mind that we do have that to bear if we do go down that route. Okay. That's playing the big boys into the swimming pool there.

All right. Thank you. Thank you, Tyler. So now we're at it would be water, right, Matt? water right page 22.

Sorry, I'm distracted by the shoes to actually look at the 40140. So, we got uh computer stuff, office supplies and expenses, $7,000. That's for mailing of bills and postage. Just an increase. Mhm. Oh, revenue. Okay. That's what it cost to send them out to people who don't want their email to them.

15,000 in water system maintenance. That's mostly for chlorine for the temporary chlorinator cross hollowo tank that the state mandated us to put in. 50,000 for utilities. Uh 15,000 for professional tech services. 34,817 for the computer and tech services. That is the Neptune 360 program and the ne my Neptune 360 program. Does it really say in our budget computer stuff? Is that really what we have that under? Well, on our end it says literally computer stuff. It does. Uh is this 34,817 with Neptune? Will that be an ongoing thing? Yes. Okay.

So, you'll see that here in a second. I'll bring that up. $1,000 for uniform services and 250 for employee recognition. Um, how much for orange shoes? Uh, sale 80 bucks. Really quick, just while I've got you sitting right here, I actually had a constituent reach out to me today. They wanted to know who they call. They have a neighbor who waters like in the middle of the day every day. Who do they call? Public works. Just call public works and secretary.

Okay. Okay. I'm glad to see the meters theruct structure is working because we've budgeted 1.1 million more. What are the unmetered water sales? Are those the construction? That is city meters. That's us. Okay. And so that's why the same across the board. So there's a expense item in parks, I think, that's equal to the revenue item in in water and it's just supposed to be a transfer. So we don't really keep it obviously unmetered. So we just agree on a rate and that's what it is. That's what we pay.

I actually had a constituent who couldn't believe that we switched to the system we do because they feel it's a little big brotherish that we can now if we wanted to we could we're allowed to monitor their water every hour of the day and go after them if they do something. Right. Highest to best use Yeah, just tell them that's correct. Yeah, I just I mean I was shocked that are complaining that everyone's still in their water. Yeah, I was shocked that I have better things to do than look at a computer to see what people's water usage is. Yeah. Okay, we got questions on operations. That's operations. Now, let's jump to capital. Oh, the fees proposed fee and rate increase if you want to do that.

Sure. I we're doing it on our council agenda. I know they wanted to talk about it. Great. So, if you want to do that, let's do it. That's great. Okay. So, the one our one inch water tapping fees and two inch tapping fees, we only charge $90. Right now, that doesn't even cost pay for us to even go out there. So, I called local contractor here and one in St. George, and they charge 650 bucks for a 1-in meter and $1,150 for a 2in meter. So, that's what I'm proposing. Or if you don't want us to charge that, just get rid of it. We don't do it at all. Where where where do we find out? This is not in the budget. This is feed schedule. You guys started on it last week and then you guys We did. We just started on last week and it but nobody was here. So complicated.

Yeah. This one to me makes a ton of sense. Like right now we're allowing people to basically have the tap into the main water line to run a connection to their project at 90 bucks. Yeah. Can you would you come do that for 90 bucks, Phil? Then why in the heck is the city doing that for 90 bucks? like we should. So, so you're saying there's no existing line to their lot, correct? Correct. Or they want to add or they're adding a new one, right? They're they're upsizing. They can't even buy a saddle in a court for that. So So this fee makes it to where What do you suggest? Market rate if we're going to do it or the other option is just tell people the city doesn't do it and have to hire. So do they have the option still to do it themselves or to ask you? They'll call the contractor. Contractor. Yeah,

they can do either one. And that price contractor. Just remind me again the fee you're proposing. 650 for a 1inch tap, $1150 for a 2in tap. Right now, we're charging 90 bucks for both. Yeah, that's And if they do the 2-in tap, they're putting on a saddle at a 90 degree and putting a a uh gate valve on, right? Yes. Yep. There's the only one who would know that saddles. Jeez. Just being a saddle, a nipple, and a a gate valve. Yeah. Jeez.

And then the other one is the water user base fee which is $17. I'm proposing $17.30 a month a month. That is about 30 cents per user. That's the base fee. That would be the new base fee that covers the Neptune program. Oh, that covers the 30 something,000. So it's only $3.60 a year. So you got to be careful with that one. That's the user rate. That's what the rate study is going for. But this particular amount is calculated based on that's how much it costs us to pay Neptune to run that software system for how many users that we have. Okay? So just be aware of that when we come back later with the user rate

study be different so we don't jack it up twice, right? We don't charge people for it twice. Yeah. The other thing you got to be aware of on the base fee, and we talked about this a couple years ago when we were doing bonding out of the water department, we're going to get to a point probably with this next round of bonding where we go for that 1517 million bond where your financial advisors are going to come back to you and recommend that you raise that base fee on everybody because it's your qualifier for your just to cover the revenue for the bond. Yeah. So, I'm not saying don't don't raise it by the 30 cents now. I'm just saying be be aware that these next things are coming along

versus the other option is we could hold off and do this at the same time we do the other one. Yeah, but we already know we've quantified what this is. We've calculated as 30 cents a month. We should get it going. So, we Yeah, we have the backup for this. We could do that. It doesn't make sense to wait for eight years and all a sudden give me let's do it over time. Well, and I also think people are being more educated the fact that water is going to cost them more money. Yeah. It just is. Yep. Yep. Okay. Okay. Next one. Okay. That's it for fee schedule. Capital capital.

Yeah. Water line replacement project 1.5 million. That is to replace water line on Monterey Drive between 75 east and 300 east and also 225 east and 150 east between 400 south and Monterey. That whole area is bad. Undersized old. Where's Monterey? Why am I It's from the new church. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Has that been designed? No. Two new work trucks. A hydrovac trailer. Hey, I remember us talking about those at that conference. You finally got your Hydrovac trailer.

Demo and removal of the old Cedar Canyon tank. That one we came up with an idea of just putting it up for surplus and for auction. If somebody bids a dollar, let them take care of it. Take it down, pull it away. It doesn't cost us anything. Nobody does. That one may end up being a zero. But which one is that tank? The old pink reddish farther east one. Just you. So you're just going to let him scrap steel and take it. But if not, you can actually throw it away for 50 grand. Rusty's kind of there's that far up. No, it's not that far up. It's It's not by Rusty's. It's the two tanks right next to each other. One's not in use. The other one is You pay me 50. I'll take Yeah, I'm with you.

I'll come and get it. No, we're not paying anybody anything. Well, you got 50 in the budget here. That's That's if we have to demo it and we haul it off. If you want it, you come get it. Yeah. But what about if I come at the same time somebody else comes? Well, you just say you want it first and it's yours. Just bid on it on auction. You want to bid it out or that's what we're going to do auction. You have to for surplus of it. Let me know when it bid. Okay. I've got to take pictures of it and Cory's going to put it online here. Just public surplus or what? Okay. All right. Public surplus.org. Yep. Have live auction and then said the 50,000 if it doesn't go to auction. That's just for Eric to rent some equipment on an excavator to use the pinchers to pinch it up and haul it off. So, okay.

Take a look. West V or 1600 north water line up sizings from Lond to equestrian point. So right now it goes from an 8 inch line from the big 16 inch down Lond goes west 8 inch from Lond to the beginning of equesting point. We want to upsize that to 12 inch and that should help fire flow and everything over there. Oh that should help those people. Well and that will also help um everybody. Well because that new LDS chapel will also need but we still need the extra connection from port 15 when we do that. Can we let's and we talked about this the other day. Let's make sure just from here on out we put those air release valves on those change that in the engineering standard. Yeah.

Uh Westview Drive water line from Foundation Trail to Benson Way. That's just continuing West View where the SU farmhouse is right there. It stops on one end and continues on the other. So that just going to complete that complete that loop. Is that on the east side of the street? Yes. How long is that? Uh 300 feet, I think. Might might have been a little more. What size? 16. So, it's just going to be 16 inch water line and maybe a fire hydrant. That's it. They're not connected. Not Yeah. No, not now. They're not. So, if something happens in Old Sorl, everybody's out of water. That' be good. Oh, okay. Yeah.

Update and recalibrate the water model. Waterline betterment cost for I-15 South interchange project. That's moving or redoing the water line under I-15. It's 1954 cement coated steel line to take it out. So, we got to do that. And then I asked and that's part of our responsibility as part of this whole reconstruction. They're going to pay a little bit of it, but that line runs right behind Discount Tire, that big block wall they have, and right through the parking lot of Maverick. And it's about 10. Set that up as a HDP line. That's what we don't know what we're going to do, but we want to move it, cut it out by the intersection and move it to the north side of Maverick, run it down into their new and their utility easement.

We had a meeting uh this week with UD do to talk about what their design. They keep moving things around, right?

But one of the things that we asked is we're going to get two conduits because they've got to reconfigure and redo the old sheep tunnel. So, they're going to dig it up and then reour that. Um they're looking at putting two conduits all the way under there for us uh for this water line and any future water line that we have. Um we'll have to pay for the uh material, but they'll put that in as part of ripping it up and doing it. And then um like Matt said, relocating it up around Maverick. That's going to be our cost. And then part of on the other side where they're putting the fly over, they'll cover the cost of that because they're ripping that up on their as part of their project. That's where we are so far with Did you say they're putting a sheep tunnel back under?

Yeah, they're I thought they were taking that out. No, now they're going back over. They're going over the top. They've gotten over top, but they're also keeping that under. It's going to be a ditch. Yeah, storm drain. They're tearing it out, redoing it. Storm drain, right? So, they're keeping the old box cover. They're tearing They're tearing that out and redoing it. But it's not the It's not going to be the ship trail doing pedestrians over the top. I thought the sheep were going over the top, too. They are. They are. They are. But they're keeping this one for storm drain and whatever else. Interesting. It probably So it it's served a storm drain function since it's been put in. Oh yeah.

So it's probably necessary to keep that storm functionality. I've had a lot of water go down that. So, we're just getting some conduits underneath during that project.

So, our carryover items, we have a culinary worth well 3000 North that was asking for additional money on that. 1700 water west water line replacement. We don't need we don't need any carryover money for that because that came under bid. 800 West extension is through the Watson's property. 3900 West water line system is from Port 15 to Equestrian. We just added some money to that. And the chlorination system for the wells, we added money for that to put chlorine at our Eno one well so we can run that separately from our Eno 3 well. What's the culinary well at 3000 North? That's a new well the mayor would like to that one put in a new one.

That's just general. We need one more to get to meet our current needs before we have conservancy kind of take over the exploration of new because we're are we putting this kind of in the same area? This has got just a rough idea of saying we know there's good water in that area. Let's find the best spot and we want to just budget some money to be able to get that last well. So it isn't a specific spotific. That's just a placeholder to say we need to find one more good spot to do a well that's that's close to connections, easy to tie into all those things. Okay. Your plan is the bond for that. No, that's in the budget. No, it's in the budget. It says bond. It just says funding sources bond. Oh, it does say bond on it. Is that bond?

Yeah, I didn't think we'd that I thought was just under the water budget. Do we have money to do it without a bond? They have secret codes on that side of the table. We're doing Morris code over here for a second. Hang on. Please stand by. Yeah, I thought we just had that one in the normal. Yeah, we'll take out the word bond. Okay. I did have one quick question. I just wanted to make sure we had enough. Um, under the water rights acquisition for 100,000. What I mean, I just looked it up. We're budgeting 1.5 million in water acquisition fees. So, what why the I mean, where does the other 1.4 go?

It all So, any money we get that comes in for water acquisition fees goes in to an account that can only be used to buy water rights. Okay. We budget 100,000 because we have absolutely no clue in the next fiscal year how much water rights we're going to buy. Okay. So when we do get if we had a large block of water rights, it would obviously cost more than $100,000, we would just have to do it we would do a budget adjustment based on whatever our reserves are and go from there. It's another estimate. It's a placeholder. What is the reserve ad on that right now? Do you have that number, Terry? Water acquisition. water acquisition fee reserve.

We did the budget once a year. We would do it's 1.4. We have 1.4 million right now. Yes. Next year. And there shouldn't be much more we need to acquire. If we transition to having the conservancy district fine because we're pretty close to having what we need from a safe zal to with Jonathan when we finish January we Okay. Anything else there Matt? Just uh some personnel requests. Okay. So, any other questions for Matt on the capital? Well, did we interrupt? Did you do the 3900 West water line? You did talk about that one, right? Yes.

Okay. This is getting us partway there. Great. So, personnel.

Okay. So, public utilities are the operating backbone of modern communities. Clean, reliable water. The crews who maintain these infrastructure such as pipes, pumps, meters, and related treatment need to be developed, maintained, and managed. These services are essential to public safety, public health, and economic development. For city leaders, workforce development related to utility employees should be viewed and funded as a strategic infrastructure investment rather than an optional human resource program. The reasons are straightforward. Operational resilience, regulatory compliance, cost, containment, succession, readiness, and community trust all depend on managing a well- educated, trained, and ethical workforce.

I have a question. Then looking at this, uh, you're taking out your water me two water meter people, right? That's not what he proposed. Yeah, that my my proposal was different than what Matt proposed. Okay. So, I think he's going to go through and talk to the points of why he proposed what he did and why he wants that still. Okay. So,

okay. So, the water operator's role is important affecting the public health and safety for everyone in a community. A bad doctor, nurse, or dentist only affects the patients they serve, but a water operator impacts everyone. So, it is important that operators are on top of their game 24/7, 365 days a year. There was an outbreak in 1987 in Georgia in a community. Operators reported that their kids came home from school crying because other kids said that their dad had made their family sick. This is kind of a situation. It's a powerful reminder of the important job operators do. In 2000, two operators who were brothers were on suicide watch after being responsible for for more than 2,300 illnesses and at least seven deaths. These are other tragedies are tragic. These and other tragedies are tragic reminders that water retreatment is more than ticking boxes on a report or filling in numbers on a log sheet. It is fundamentally about pro protecting the public health of the entire community. So right now I have a vacant operator one position. I'd like to make that operator one position and operator two position.

Okay. Why? for the skills that he has, we need for other to watch around. I had talked to Phil about this and um mayor about this. We had a guy trying to do a water tap. Uhhuh. And without that there, they dug a trench, had a big boulder in the middle of the trench. They ran that water line right over the water of that trench. Luckily, we just had to happen to drive down there to see that or it would have been buried a foot under the ground on top of a water boulder. So wait, so you currently have a vacancy for water operator one? Yes. That operator left in April because he left for more money. Okay. So now you want to have an operator two vacancy. Just Yeah. Just reclassify the operator one to a two.

We're ch are you changing positions with the two meterers? That's what I'm going to bring up. Yes. So I guess I think she has a a question behind you. Maybe he'll explain what what's being proposed. So so I can take notes. Make sure that I have all the right. Let's have him go through all of them so we kind of have a clear picture of all the changes that you're asking for. Right. And then we can dive into questions of each position and why. So is that all right? Mhm. Yeah.

Okay. So if I make an operator one, that'll give me an operator one position. the meter reader, one of the meter readers can move into that operator one position. So, I'm not asking for any more positions, just reclassifying positions. And the meter reader would stay as a maintenance guy or a laborer that can do meter maintenance, shut off notices, anything. We can just pass him around to crews who are missing, guys who were gone for the day, whatever. He doesn't need to be certified or anything like that. So, and that would be a new hire, that position. No, you just take an existing guy and I'm not asking for well I asked for one new position but we put that off because we it was for the treatment plant and that's not coming yet. So we just kind of slid that off till next year.

Okay. So according to our the summary page at least the water operator 2 that was a whole new position it looked like but what he's explaining is it should have been put classified as an upgrade. We should have just seen the difference between the two salaries not a whole new salary. Correct. So the well I was asking for one position to make my have 14 on the crew and I was just going to trying to reclassify my lead worker to assistant water and superintendent but with the salary survey that we just did it comes out to the the wage that I proposed. Okay. Then the water operator two was just going to move in or operator five was going to move into that lead worker position for his pay because he needs a water treatment certification that's mandated by the state.

Yep. And then so I was going to make the water operator 2 a new position which was the 76,000. So we don't need that new position at all. So you don't need the 76,000 right now. No. Well I And then but all he's really asking he's just asking for reclassifications to keep all the same people that he has but he's reclassifying them into different roles. So there's some slight increases under his proposal for um classification changes, but you denied both of those.

So Natasha maybe can help me out on this. I think the numbers are different. So he's got 13 total people right now. I think what the mayor proposed. So if he takes that open position and reclassify is still only a total of 12 positions. So he's still down one position from what he currently is this year. Is that correct? No. meter reader has been eliminated from his budget. Yeah. So you in my proposal, yeah, it took one position away.

In yours, it takes one away. And what he's saying is he wants that reclassified. If he just reclassifies it, it's still down one position. He needs to open a second operator two and still leave the one there to keep the same 13 people he has. So how much is it going to cost if you follow your proposal and you reduce it to 12 people and reclassify this one, is it two? It would be minimal. But so all we're doing today is budget discussions and these these guys can't say it's a good idea or a bad idea if we don't know how much it costs.

So let me give you an idea because I knew that we were talking about maybe reclassifying one. So I think if he just reclassifies two, because that's a different proposal than what I had been told, I think it'll be about $10,000. He has a current opening in his department. There's somebody left, so there's an opening. So, if we reclassify one of the meter readers, even with the mayor's proposal, right, you could keep all your existing staff because he's down a position. He somebody left in April to to another position. So, we've got an opening. In fact, I posted it this morning. So, if we reclassify a waterworker one to a waterworker two, that'll cost you about $4 or $5,000. And then he wants to reclassify a meter reader to fill this vacant position that we currently have to a waterworker one. That'll cost you another four or 5,000. So it would be about $10,000. Um, and I'm just giving you estimates, but I think that that would cover probably where he's at. And we just you would still eliminate a meter reader because he has a vacant position because somebody left.

And I think that fits the mayor's proposal. And is that is that the same thing you were talking to, Matt? Is the same. Okay. Yeah. So now and here's he's eliminating a position, but I'm I was asking for a position, but now you're eliminating position. So now I'm I'm down a guy again. Well, not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Yeah. Not yet. That's what his proposal was. So you're reclassifying just what your your current staff. Are you still ask Angus? And that's where I'm confused. Are you still asking for an addition? Not a new position. No, just keeping my same 12 guys. Okay. You're not asking for 13. You're asking for 12. No, he's asking and hiring. And so I have 12. There's 13 total including me. Including the guy that left. Are you including TJ in your 13? Yes. Okay.

That's my You have You have 13 positions. I want still 13 positions including that includes you. Yes. So then if you do what he's asking and then because the mayor's proposal cuts one, you'd need to you need about 87,000 to add a position. because he's the mayor's budget cut one. So now you got to add that back in. So you're going to need about 87. But I think plus the 10 for the My understanding is that you were going to cut your part-time wages. He has 73,000 in part-time wages. That if he cuts that, he would only need 15,000 to reclassify and add the position if he uses those parts. How do you use the part-time wages? Currently,

they were helping us with the meter change outs. Okay. Okay. And then they're just doing knickknack stuff right now with all the meters we pulled out. They're tearing those apart so we can send them in for recycling. But somebody else could do that theoretically. You're just using them. Okay. So my two meter readers right now, they put their last meter and was like March 10th over here at the Little League ball fields. They have not stopped working. They've been busy since that day

just doing some stuff like raising water meters that are in the dirt or in the that get covered up that don't get ready anymore. They're going around raising all those, putting meter pads around them. They're staying busy. Can can I ask so uh Tom our city inspector does not have time to watch everything. This big rock that went up and over the water line went up and over. Uh would is there if we keep this 13 if we keep all your staff together is there some help that they can do or do you have somebody that can kind of help watch because right now absolutely

very very few people watch water lines in fact it's it's a bad deal for the city and so I would if if this extra person could be somebody or somebody on your crew we need somebody to watch water systems Because if you wouldn't have seen that one rock, they'd have put it right over the top and it had only been like 6 8 in below the surface. So I I would hope mayor that you would reconsider that and I think if we could help use you to help inspect water would be a great thing. So So I I think Oh, I'm sorry. We got three of you that kind of I saw it all at the same time. So paper, rock, scissors.

You're all he's got a senior already. I just wanted to know when you mean watch the water line, does that mean like every time a development's going in, you're watching them or inspect? You're inspecting to make sure the work is done to city standards. There's a lot of I'll say fly by night contractors that come in here and just throw stuff in and they're gone. But how do you know about it? How do you know where they are? The problem surfaces three years later, they know on the project going on. Yeah, we know projects subdivisions are coming in lot lately. We've had a lot of subdivisions with them. they get a one-year warranty and we've had to call the contractor back to fix their mess ups.

So before uh several years ago, that's what our water department, they were responsible to go out there and inspect and and watch these projects. That's how we justified in engineering that Tom's position is that as these projects are coming through design, they will be more attuned as to when they're going to happen and then he could go out there and watch that and inspect that. And so we brought him on, but he's overwhelmed. he's got too much and so we try to fill in where we can and help him out. If he can't beat to everything, we try to send one of our guys over and we'll continue to do that until that staffing is up. So,

so I have a question about your from level one to level two. Do you provide additional training? Because just putting them in a level doesn't give them the knowledge about So, to become an operator one, you have to have a grade four water certification mandated by the state of Utah. So, a two is a and is an additional certification? No, just no more knowledge. More expanded knowledge of what they do. More time. More time. More time. Okay. So, they have to have a certain amount of because you're saying you wanted to go from a one to a two.

So, the guy that has Y1 now has 20 years experience with the city and he's still an operator one and he's talking about jumping ship over to another division in our department as a storm drain operator who makes $800 less than a certified water operator too. So, he he has clean applications to go into the two. Yes. He has everything. Yeah, he has everything. Yeah, he has the way water is set up. You can't move up unless a position's opened uh from a one to two to a three to four. So, you have to wait till somebody leaves or retires and then people can move up. It's not based on when you get the certification. It's when an opening. So, I mean, if that's an advancement for him and he's been in that spot for so long, I I don't have a problem with that. I mean, that's just giving that a boy for doing a good job.

Yeah, me neither. Waldo. So, I'm assuming you wanted to reduce the head because it was attached to the water meters and those water meters are installed and we're moving on.

Um, yes, there's I had this I've had this conversation with Matt, so this is nothing that we haven't discussed personally. Um, kind of some of the the history that I'll that I'll share that weighs into this for me is the the two that are water meter readers. Um there is a part of that that is we don't read meters anymore. So we need somebody to still go and take care of maintenance and we'll have some degree of of work that needs to be done there. Both of them applied for an open position and neither of them were given the open position. So that said to me, um, how effective are they that we want to have them and why not go down the road of saying we're eliminating because we don't need water water meters anymore. Keep the one that is a decent employee to still do maintenance. Um, see how the staffing goes once he gets the vacant one filled um that already does exist. And then it's easy to come back and re-evaluate anytime during the year because we have the $77,000 in the budget for temp work that if we find out two months down the road, six months down the road that the workload is just too much, then we open up a new position. Um, so that's the whole picture from my perspective of why why I recommended the what I did.

And I probably agree with that to to a degree too because we don't know what efficiencies we're going to recognize until at this point till we have a little time. But but by no means, and I I hope I expressed this well enough to man if I didn't, do I devalue water? Like I get how important water is and don't want to have you um be understaffed in the in the process. But it was a to me it was a a logical um step from a temporary let's just see where we land with these new meters and see what the workloads really are like and and then we can always reevaluate down the road if if I'm wrong which I might be that I so that's okay.

So the people that installed the meeting the meters uh they were hired just for that purpose or were they gainfully employed before we started rolling out the meters? So, we had two meter readers. They would read meters. When they were done reading meters, they would change meters. And then we had two part- timerrs that I hired to help change meters, but they only work after school, so they didn't have very much time. Okay. So, these two people that uh we're talking about, you want to keep them. They're getting better. They're improving. They're They were green. They're young. Did I don't have any problem being green, being young. I trade new people. Are they worth keeping? They're getting better. Yes, they are improving.

So, if we put the job out to to the mayor's point, if we put the job out, could we find someone more qualified and already there as opposed to I'm hearing they're getting there. So, there I Yeah. Yeah. Who was on the hiring? It was just uh Sean Glover, my lead worker, and he didn't want either one of them. No, he talked to my some of my employees. see a little bit more information here. So, because one of these is Matt's relative, so Matt can't be part of a hiring or promoting promoting either of these meter readers. So, he has to remove himself from the hiring process.

I had nothing to do, nothing to say or anything.

So, that that's why he isn't a part of it. So, the lead worker steps in and takes that role, which is Sean Glover, who took the role. We opened the position inhouse. We had two candidates apply. I He came back and said, "We're not ready to promote these at this time. We're not going to promote either of them. Um, we want to hold off." So, they held off. I talked to Sean this morning. We posted the job again. Matt has to remove himself. His relative is going to put in. He can't be a part of the hiring process. We'll see what happens this round. So, Sean is because it's an in-house recruitment. He spoke to the other guys on the crew who work with them and they chose not to promote at that time that they would like to hold off. They gave good feedback to the candidate to the two employees and said, you know, this is your opportunity. You've got like a month to to see what you can do. We're going to reopen the job in May. So, we've reopened the position that I'm assuming they'll put in again. Um, there's also some these part-time employees that have been working are also eligible to put in in-house because they have the hours. So, it they'll it'll open it up to more more people than just the two meter readers that put in last time. There's other interest in in the position.

Carter, so overall, do we have a number? Does somebody here have a number of here's the budget of payroll he's been running to if he got what he wanted here's what that number would be it sounds like you take out 97 less the 7010 you take out all the temporary wages that are currently there you you change that number from 77 to zero okay you take that money you put it into permanent wages okay you add another 15,000 I think we're there so we're really about 20 grand off. Yeah. 15.

So, from where he has been operating and everything's been okay to where he would like to see all the positions be, we're talking about $15,000 difference, total budget, give or take. Yeah. Yeah. You just move that part-time money to full-time and add 15,000. And and that times the dollar value is not the important concept. The important concept is um that sometimes we need to think outside the box and maybe not hire from uh within and get someone external that's going to be a golden and I'm not saying they are I don't know but I I think we need to get rid of the tunnel vision and say let's see how this works and see if there's a better solution. I'm still going. My question's not over.

Well, I don't think the discussion is who is going into those position positions. The discussion is how many positions do we keep what do you want to budget? He currently has 13 positions. The mayor is requested 12. Yeah. Um if he reclassifies from a one to a two under the mayor's proposal, he's still only got 12. He still loses a meter reader. If you're going to let him reclassify from a one to a two and one of those meter readers to a one, that would keep him at 13. So that's the

And to be clear, my budget still had the 77,000 for part-time that also it'll allow him to test people out and determine if they're the the right ones to keep. um and could always roll to a full-time if we have the right people. So that's the determination is do we do we do away with one of the meter readers and reclassify this one to a two or do we do reclassify from a one to a two and a meter reader to a one. I'm still asking my question. So that will give you Carter. Sorry. Finish. So no. So what what the mayor has proposed is leave everything the way it is and just drop one of the meter readers. Okay. No, I was still fine to do the upgrade from a one to a two. Oh,

that wasn't in the proposal. Okay. So, we upgrade, but we upgrade from a one to a two. And then how many other ones do you have? So, right now, how many ones and how many twos do you have? Four. Four ones. Two twos. So, what you're wanting to do is go to three ones and three twos. Yes. Okay. Well, it'll be come back. It'll come back to four if he adds in. Yeah. It' be four and three. It'll stay pretty much it'll just four ones. So, so really the real question here are we staying at 13 or we going to 12? Well, this is this is so you protected the money by keeping the 77.

So, one of the two sides of the conversations becomes null and void. We either have 13 heads or 12 or we don't or and if if we don't then we don't need the $77,000 and everything reduces. But you can't be in both places at once in my opinion unless and I know that you don't you you want to kind of measure effectiveness, productivity and all this kind of stuff, but the budget is there for 13. So if if that's where you're at, why don't you let the manager decide?

And that's that's why I told Matt he's welcome to come have the conversation with me. But right now we're going back and forth, back and forth. And to be quite frank, I don't I don't know any of these guys, Matt. The only one I know is you. So I don't care who they are. What we're trying to figure out is if you need 13 heads working in the water department. And the only reason we wouldn't have 13 heads is to save the money that we had on the reader meters and uh the meter readers. And we would eliminate that money from the budget. But the money is there minus 15 lousy,000. So you know what? Keep your 13.

I I I' I'd like to see you keep 13 and also help [ __ ] in water inspection. Absolutely. And so that's my position. I'll I'll let all of you guys decide, but I mean I'm I'm in favor of the 13, but what So just so I understand it, what you were proposing, mayor, essentially was 12 plus money for a part-time for part time. Now, if he goes 13, he doesn't get the part time would go away. Yes, correct. Yeah. So, he would have had the bodies technically, but not in the same capacity. I'm in favor of the 13. So, I'm the 13. I just want to make sure that the 13th slot is someone that's qualified. We're not just goes out. That's a different story. It's not really. Well, it is. No, it would be. Yeah. And that's that's what I was trying to provide a a parachute for, but

I was just going to say for me 12 or 13 is not the issue for me. We have a position and two of our internal people applied and they weren't hired. What does this tell us about those employees? That's my concern. Well, we don't the the she posted it. It becomes open. Yeah. Yeah. So, we're going to fill 13 positions. Two of them are open position. Please understand when we post, we post internally first, right? We don't go to the whole world at the same time.

And that's okay. And if those two individuals and they fail, then move on. Get get somebody else. Who's next in the in the totem pole? At the end of the day, Matt, the the argument is water is precious commodity and we need to protect it and you need 13 people to do the job correctly. Correct. Okay. I There we go. That's it. Okay. I'm good with 13. Sounds like that one's one. I got notes. Okay. Copious. Good luck figuring that out. Okay. Thanks. We do have copious notes. Okay. Okay. Thank you, Matt. All I got. Thank you. You're awesome.

Well done, buddy. You realize our two biggest fights today have been over a $10,000 employee and a $15,000 employee. That must mean there's a whole bunch of right in the budget. That's right. That's a good thing. I think you've done really well. clarifying question because I'm going to prepare the numbers for this. Are we classifying or just keeping 13 people 13? No, you're reclassifying the recy add a new one and then get rid of the meter meter meter reader classification and make it a maintenance. Reclassify two people and and make sure we have 13. Correct. Yes, ma'am. Yep.

Please. Clear as mud. Okay. Yeah. What do we got? Which one? Let's see. According to our list, the plan let's do it looks like 5356. It's on page 24. Page what? 24. 24. Jeeoff. It's kind of like the LDS church. You know, we just say the plant. You just say the church. The plant. That was an interesting analogy. Well, they don't say the wastewater treatment plant. They say the plant. The church. It is the church. The church. Would that be the Catholic church? The Presbyterian church? I don't know where you are. You're in Utah. So,

holy cton. Okay. This is wastewater. I feel like I should plead the fifth while I'm up here. Yeah. Tell me one more time. Do collection or treatment. That's what this feels like. Tell me one more time the account number. 5356. Thank you. So, we're doing treatment first. Okay. Oh, okay. All right. Okay. So, as far as operational, he didn't bring us paper. So, I'm going to kind of go through this real quick with him. Operationals, he asked for some additional funds in equipment maintenance, which was denied. Um, we'll just make do with what we have and and continue to to get through as much as we can on that. If we go over a little, we'll have to make it up somewhere else.

His chemicals is the big thing. Uh, he gets a huge hit to his chemicals every year. Seems those prices are going up and up and up. He's gone through and calculated how much he anticipates he's going to need. So, he's asked for 39,000 there. Um, that has been re recommended to give to him. Uh, building and ground maintenance, he'd asked for an additional 2,000. That was uh not recommended. The professional and technical services for 5,000. That's that study that everybody uses being hit with. And then we have specialty departmental supplies for 3,000, which you did not get on that. Okay. And was that just an was that just an addition to the existing special department supplies? Yes. Okay.

Now, I noticed another um questionable on his professional and technical services. Uh we had asked for uh we got the 5,000 to cover the study. However, in the budget, we're showing that there was 135 that was added. That's for expansion study. Okay. That's under the capital part, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's under the capital part that and we're moving forward with that. So if it's under capital Well, as long as you get it approved in the budget professional technical services. So the 150 in professional technical services. That's the study, isn't it? But I have a capital line item for that, too. Well, don't use both. Just use one.

Okay. So, we do need to get rid of one of them. You don't have the money both places. We only show it in capital in our summary. Yeah, that's what I saw on the sheet. I can only I see it on capital, but then on here I see that it's increasing. Make sure it's just in one. I have a question about an operational thing before we move on. Uh I'd like to maybe hear from the mayor or Mr. Bitman or whoever. Uh can you recall and explain to me why we didn't look to up the equipment maintenance out of the wastewater treatment plant? We didn't fund the increase. I don't know what the current budget is. I'm only looking at the operational

contau because what I've learned when we went through the process is that it's not as important that it's there in the budget because if we need it, we can ask for it and move it forward. So, so here's here's part of the equipment maintenance problems they've had in the last couple years. Okay. Last year, a boiler went out. Yeah. And that's not a $15,000 item. That's not a $15,000 item. That was more of a $50,000 item. Um, the equipment maintenance budget is is just for day-to-day maintenance things. This is an enterprise fund. They have their own bank account.

They have their own savings account. If there's a piece of equipment out there that that goes bad, goes kaput, we're going to fix it. We're going to fix it. And we have a bank account to fix it with. Yeah. this the so the equipment maintenance budget it it's just intended to take care of that day-to-day stuff keep them functioning and operational all these other things that keep coming in the shrewite and the lines that's why the boiler going dead we're going to take care of those we just don't need to budget it every year

so Paul's point there's such a variability if you look back you got one year it was a 65 the next year is 125 the next year it was 85 the next year was 170 so there's such variability in what we do in that. Um Jeff in his first year, he just had asked for more because he was going off last year's. We're just saying, "Hey, you know what? If you go above it, I got it. Perfect. We're good. Thank you. So, capital. Okay. Capital. Um, so a skid loader. Hang on a second, Ryan. Hey, you two, would you take it outside? Thank you." So distracting. Hey, go ahead. So

I'm assuming that's a lease for a skid loader. Yeah. So every year they redo their skid loaders. We've done this for years out there and it's it's worked out well. We may have to look at some in the near future differently because we're having some issues with this, but it's been a pretty cheap rental for us up until now. Okay. Um and that was approved. Uh we have two clarifiers um in there for 1.4. Uh there's four clarifiers out there being refurbished. two of them are in this year's current budget that he's working on. I think it's starting next week, the 18th. 18th. And then this is for the last two. And that we'll do. So you take two out and and redo them and then we'll do the others.

Um you've got a rolloff dumpster truck in here for 260,000 that was approved. So let's talk about that real quick because we also approved changing another truck to a rolloff. So how many roll in the street department? So how many roll-off trucks do you already have? So we have one and we purchased it used from the county and it's in okay shape but because we put so much emphasis we've got to move that bioolids every day in the winter time a day bioolids processing has to go to the landfill every day. So what's your plan with the old one? So his rolloff truck and bin stays there. It doesn't go anywhere else.

Streets is going around to several different ones. His is for the bioolids that they haul and for the screening, pre-screening coming in, all the stuff that he pulls out of there. So, what's the plan with the old truck? Well, let's keep it and just use it as a backup between you and the street. That's what I'm saying is I want to see the old truck start getting used by streets. That is the plan for us to be able to share it back. The backup. Good. Yeah. Right on. Okay. Because he was just here a minute ago saying, "I need another rolloff truck." And it's like, "Well, sounds like we have access to one maybe." No. Well, it he still needs his own. He can't share it enough to where streets could use that enough to the backup. Backup. What about the backup? Back up. Yeah, it's a backup. So,

yeah. Yeah. So, it's full time trucks, right? Yeah. You just need the one new good one. One and one goes down, we need you can go grab it from street. Put it in the backup pile. Ryan doesn't love it. I see. I think you're still trying to get rid of streets AND I I NO. OKAY. We're not asking to eliminate the streets. All right. Now, between the two, they have back streets. We're giving No, no, no. I'm trying to option. You're just saying share. Streets is getting the remodeled one. So, he's going to go from one to two. Now, I want streets to have access to this backup one as a third one. So, they all have two. No, no, no, no. We're not cut. No, no, we're not cutting

because this ours is an older truck and the county had used it to the point where they didn't want to put any more money into it, but we wanted to try hauling it ourselves. Yeah. So, now all our operators are required to have a class B CDL minimum. Gotcha. So, okay. Uh the Headworks conveyor replacement for 200,000 was proposed and um put in there. uh the two utility bed golf carts um proposed for 27,000 that was approved. Aren't we switching with the golf course? Yeah. So Jared was here yesterday, Ryan, and he said that they could they could probably work out a couple of carts to move over to wastewater.

Yeah, I hadn't talked to him about it yet, but I was Yeah, he was checking after our last That would be the number five maybe used. Is that what that would fall into? So with these golf carts, if you budget them and they don't use the money to buy golf carts, the money goes right back into their account anyway. It doesn't save us anywhere anywhere else. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Okay. All right. Uh let's see where we at. The chemical feed skip. What was that? What is it? So it it's for feeding um chemical into the system kind of like the chemical feed skip for the sodium hypocchloride for the filters. Uh we're that's easier for you to understand.

Yeah. Yeah. So we're going to try a chemical addition to uh try and eliminate some of this strevite and we need a pump system to be able to do that. How important is that? How important? Yeah, because it was not funded. The chemical feed skip was not funded. Yeah, that was removed because I had enough money in this year's budget. Oh, beautiful. I was going to say we just saved you money on golf carts. Go use it for that. Buy that. Thank you. Okay. Okay. We've got the 18 inch water line. Um back up. Eight or 18. Eight. Now, mayor, where are we at on that? That's what it shows on here, but that's not what it is. What is it? We were upsizing it, weren't we? Uh

that's what the holdup is right now is to decide what size that water line needs to be because we we've all been in conversation with the water consery district and this but sometime another fairly soon I would imagine we're going to have to get water to you because if you're well or anything happens you're out of water. Yeah, that's what this is. So but this is the line that also the water consery district is saying how do we want to upsize it or Oh yeah. Yeah. I don't we just got to figure out what what we're

size. We've been trying to figure out a diameter for that line. Eric Bonso originally proposed it when he still worked here three years ago, four years ago, probably seven years ago. Um, we should just put in the eight and let them drink water. Yeah. I I don't care what we use. We just need to do one and not hold it up. Yeah. This is a carryover. This is additional to the carryover. So depending on what we decide to do and what it bids out at, we might not even use all this. So what held it up initially was the wells that were being drilled out there and they didn't work out. So they were thinking of upsizing it for that. But we do have another well further, right?

And then I don't know, uh, mayor, do we figure that out, go with it, or do we still work with the consery district and just come up with something and put it in? Yeah, we probably just need to touch base one more time on it, but not let them hold us up. Okay. Okay. Uh the next one is the camera for 16,000 that was proposed. Then we have the pump station for 200. That was proposed. We have the affluent type one. This is a holder until we decide what we're going to do with the effluent water. So So this is just a holder. It's in there and proposed.

Okay. And then we have the expansion study. This is to start studying our um uh treatment plant for expansion. This was something that was brought up in our our regional meeting from Phil um to start looking at that right now sooner than later. And then we'll there's also a couple of things that we're hoping will come out of this and there might be some interim things we can do to even get more life out of what we currently have before we have to go to the full expansion. But that's what that is. That's a study for Have we have we is Stantech is Clint doing this? I don't know if there's been a decision on that yet, but we're going to spoken with him. Yeah, we're going to have to bid it out. I thought uh

Stantech will definitely bid on it. Oh, I know they will, but I thought Jonathan had a had received a a bid already. He heard quote, but it's not a bid. Okay. Yeah, there's only one more budget. So, it's just treatment. I do have one question. The the new facility that you built for the treatment plant, we're kind of covering both of them. Uh there is no ventilation system in that building. No, there's not. But it's not running right now. Right. Correct. Correct. When it starts to run, we're going to have to put in a cross ventilator or something. And we're you're going to have to go in.

We probably should. Yeah. That was in the original engineering drawings, but but it was removed to save money on it, I guess. But we don't need it right now. We don't need it right now. It's on the radar. But just so you know, we do plan on right about October 15th, I think it's the 17th, um once that water is no longer uh spoken for, we plan on running that filter for a few weeks so we can work all the bugs out of it. Yep. So, we're going to need we're going to need it by then. Yeah, you're going to have to do something. We'll just keep the doors open. We We very well could in that time period just keep the doors open. But yeah,

we do need to have a ventilation system in it when it is running operational. The fans is at the arena just have intake and an outtake and just cross ventilate. Yeah. We get some cowboy money to pay for it. Once we start using it on a regular figure out where it's going to go, we might can build that into the project. Okay. See there is state Don't forget it is in the state code that because there's sodium hypocchloride in the building that you have to have fans that exchange the air one time a minute. So they have to be pretty significant. One time a minute. Yeah. Very fast. Yeah, that's a pretty stout fan. Okay. Anything else? Personnel. Anything in personnel?

Personnel. There was a request for an operator um in discussions with the mayor. We decided to hold off on that until that rest of that plant up and running and then we'll come back and look for that. Super. Um, so there's, uh, we already talked about the, uh, clarify rehabilitation. Uh, we need to talk a little bit about the dairy expansion. We wanted to bring that up to you and get this on your radar. The dairy expansion. Western Gold Dairy is expanding. Oh, yeah. So, we're going from So, they've had they've been in a violation of discharge for the last three months. They're discharging more than what they're permitted for. Are we collecting money? No. Well, we we have we have f warning signs.

Not not significantly. You mean like a $100,000 fine? No, nothing like that. Not enough to feel it yet. Very very small because they are working towards it. Um but just not fast enough because their parent company pushed them to make this happen quicker than it should have happened is my opinion. But that's so that's part of the problem is is they're telling us we're going from we'll be going from about 100,000 um gallons per day to 300,000 and it's mostly driven by them and we don't really have the designs, the drawings, the calculations, anything from them. Well, the parent company should be paying more money,

but we're starting to see some discharges. So, we've got to get a handle on that. And I know Pete is working on that to try to to work with them on their fines and everything. So you might be seeing some of that coming through until they get a plan to us and let us know to find get their attention. Be aware that that at the beginning of this year we were our BOD biochemical oxygen demand. We were at about 70% of plant capacity. In the last three months we're at 98% of design capacity. And that's exactly why we said get this thing going. Yeah. Hopefully they can get back under control. Yeah. If you find them, but it just shows you how quickly that capacity can be taken. Wow. That's with nothing else coming, right?

Yeah. Wow. Good. Okay. Anything else? Thank you very much. Let's hit your last one, Jeff. They got one more. Thanks, Jeff. One more. The last one's sewer collection, right? Yep. Best for last. Best for last. Right. We saved the count number. It is 5255. Page 23. Thank you. Sewer collect. I'm sorry. That wasn't a commentary on your operation. Operation was pretty boring. So, nothing on operation really. Just the 5,000.

$100 on there is about it. Big change on the uniform. So, well, no. You had the 5,000 for the user study, but that's everyone got that allocation. However, when you look at the operational again, uh, professional technical services went up 25,000. We asked for the five. I don't know where the 20 came from. It's probably part of your 20. They're just trying to give you more money there. Yeah. Update the sewer. Update the sewer model. Update sewer model. It's under your capital. Yep. And my assumption is Terry because things that they're on cap they're under capital because they're kind of a one-time thing but they're professional service

right goes under professional service and also in at Cedar City if the study isn't complete we roll it over so it's easier to keep track of on the capital rollovers. Okay. So that's where the 20 is the update. Okay. So let's run through capital projects. Yep. Y uh water line replacement projects. This is uh 100 1.5 million and we No, no, we're on Sorry, I'm on the wrong one, aren't I? Sewer collection. 5255 starts with a pickup truck. Yep. Pickup truck. Go ahead. Yeah, you just you just run them, Randy. Go. Yeah, Randy, you just run them.

That's pickup truck. And we have the BZI trunk lineup sizing. Is that the uh 500,000? Yeah. Is that 500? That's the 500,000 is our rehab that we've tried to do. We do every year that well we do manholes. It's a rehab of the system. So we go this last year we're doing the man we're doing the manhole with that manhole rehab with that money. Then we go and we're going through and rehabbing like you've seen on like 200 South. We've done two different legs on 200 South. We've done 100 east, 200 East. Some work on 300 m cleaning up existing lots. Maintenance

have to bid all of these little projects out separately. about four or five years ago, we came in and we did one big fund. We hire a contractor that goes and hits all of these. That's what this is. This year, he's just happened to using them on a lot of vanill rehabilitation, but it usually goes towards a lot of the older lines in town that we So, there's a few lines in town that are turning red to the charts. I don't see any of those being fixed in here. Not on the not on the rehab. That'll be on the on I didn't see them in in here at all. Yeah, that'll be on there. We I know we we've got that's on the upsizing sewer line upsizing. This is just getting rid of lines that were put like in the 40s and 50s that were going in and like

send us those lines that you're seeing and we'll take a look at Yeah, they're on the they're on the the map where out by Westview there's couple little red spots. Yes. That come under maintenance

when we do Stantech does their when Stante does their um flow studies. So what happens is they come through and they they'll run a calculation. So they can when they run it, what they'll do is they'll put say I'm going to build a subdivision and it has 150 houses. So they have an average of 400 gallons a day. They run that where it goes through the lines and that runs a line clear to the plant where that ultimately ends at. If there's if that triggers it'll start showing it'll start going to like a yellow then an orange. It's giving you a heads up. Hey, this line's going to get to capacity. So, we need to look at upsizing those. That's upsizing. We can use our impact fees more for that stuff. And

this is more or less to re This stuff is more or less. So, he'll pull that out of a different line item. He'll pull that out of a different line item under the upsizing one. We have update to the sewer model in there. Uh we have a sewer line upsizing and that's kind of what you're talking about. That's okay. See, we we had 600, but they approved for 350,000 of that. That's just one of those that's a variable. We never know how much we're going to have to upsize until we see how many people are coming in and putting in subdivision.

Just a quick question. Are we good for everything that's going up fiddlers? The one development that's already done, the white one, then the one that they're doing by the hill that kind of stops and starts. Do we have enough sewer capacity for all of that clear to the plant? Yes, they did. So, they have to run the numbers. So, when we approved that, so be before they when they come into the planning stages, um they have they have to pay Stantech and then Stantech runs that. So those developments up there when they changed their model up there in Fiddlers, we made them rerun them numbers again. So they paid for that study. So far everything is okay. Yes, they have those numbers already. They did the modeling for

in the modeling. Yes, they put those in. So now this with the dairy that we're talking about, we need to need we need solid numbers. Like if this dairy is going to say they're they were saying they were using 150,000 gallons a day and they do 300,000, that's going to affect everybody. that affects that 2,300 outfall line because they dump directly into that. So, we need to see those direct numbers. That's where we're very strict like with the county and everybody when we will not let any connections into these subdivisions till these are done. We won't let anything go in in the city any of that without that study being so we can keep a solid count. We report this to the state also. So, that's why we got to see that modeling number on that area so we can y

know how much to push back on them. Yeah, cuz we're we because I know out there in Fiddlers there's another big lot of development being looked at, but that sewer line is the one that goes through Paul Nelson's place goes underneath the freeway right there. That's not a very big line. You got to go. Yeah, I have a 5:00. Yeah, I think there's a few of us that are probably getting there. So, that line you're talking about, Bill, I apologize. Turn off your mic there, buddy. That that is a separate that actually ultimately goes in Eno and when we got looking into that, it actually Um, see you tomorrow.

Took capacity out of Enix line and and it was educational for both us and ENI that were how much capacity we had. So I believe I think we only have 500 or 600 connections on that line. So okay, it was designed for that what we took out of Enix line. All right. Sorry. Okay, you're good. Let's just keep running through the list. 800 West extension for 45 was approved. So that's all of the

capital. Uh and then on personnel, uh what we did is we just asked for a reclassification from a lead worker or from a one of uh one of the regular workers up to a lead worker position. It's just an increase of $4,500 and that was added an employee and then added an employee. We had we did that when then we there was an adding replace him. So here we we'll have a one go up and then we'll have and add an employee. That's not from the summary sheet but it's in the it's in the it's in the Yeah, it's not on the I just summary. I'm sorry. I did the same thing. We all done with I had one question. I want to go back.

Can you I just explain to me the BZI trunk line. I don't quite understand. It wasn't funded, but I want to know what what it is what we're doing. So BZI. Yeah. So there's a couple of components to this. If you start out by the Y and you head north up Iron Springs Road. Yeah. Roughly, our master plan calls for a 30-inch trunk line to service all of the flow that's going to come through there. That 30-inch trunk line will empty into a pump, a lift station, a large master plan lift station. So, BZI put in their section of 30-inch trunk line. Okay.

When they put in line, they're only required to put in 16 inch. Yeah, our capacity. Yes, it'll be split with the Yeah, ours I think ours was 16 and then the No, no. What's the contra? What's the developer required to put in? What's the diameter? Well, it depending on their capacities is what on theirs. I think their capacity we had to I think their capacity I can't remember what their capacity. So, we had to we had to upsize that trunk line. You're going to see an agreement come to city council that's going to split the upsizing costs of that line between us and Iron County because the county has flow into it also. Okay.

You're also going to see after that another agreement come through to split the upsizing costs of that big lift station between us and Iron County. And then you're going to see another agreement come through uh for another industrial development to the south of BZI for their 30-inch trunk line. And that's going to split that 30-inch trunk line between us and Iron County. All in all, you're talking uh but they're putting in their development portion of it.

The developers will pay their portion of it. The upsizing costs alone and the split that we're going to have to absorb is going to be in the millions of dollars. for those three projects. So, we're going to try to stagger them and phase them so that we can meet the financial burden, but it's going to be millions of dollars of impact fee money. And what's the timing?

BZI's already put in their 30-inch line. They want the agreement signed yesterday. The counties passed theirs their portion of the agreement for the 30-inch line. We're asking them to change their percentages by about two and a half percent. Uh we haven't got very far with that so far. Uh BZI's put in most of the lift station, so they're going to come back at us and hit us up on uh our upsizing costs on the lift station and then the development to the south of BZI. Uh we're talking with them later this week about maybe annexing. So okay, thank you.

To give you a little size on this lift station, our plant is designed for 4.8 million. This is a 5 MGD lift station. It's a very large lift station. That's exactly why we got those boys looking at it. So, just to put Randy and his guys in perspective, uh, five years ago they were videoing and cleaning 33.9 miles of line. Uh, this last year they did over 50 miles of line. So, we've added quite a bit that they are still having to maintain and video and to keep those clean so that we don't have backups. So, they do a good job. Okay. You do a great job. Thank you. Yeah. Okay.

Mayor, I would move that we unless there's any further questions, I move we adjourn this meeting. Second. All in favor? I I thank you. I should have told you that. Yeah. I did I called the other day and I called and she's like, "It's there. It's there. We just didn't Hey, there's three of you there. Careful.