City Council - Regular Meeting

Good evening everyone. This Tuesday, February 3rd, 2026 meeting of the Lakehouse City Council is now called to order. Miss Hawkins, will you please call the role? Yes. Mayor Buck here. Councelor Berdick, here. Councelor Corrian, here. Councelor Raph here. Councelor Afkan here. Councelor Maboo here. Councelor Wendland here. Thank you. Thank you very much. Now everyone, will you please stand? Remove your hats and join us in the pledge. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you everyone. This uh month of February, we recognize Black History Month and we honor the contributions, resiliency, and leadership of Black Americans both throughout our nation's history and within our own community. This month is an opportunity not only to reflect on the past, but to recommmit to building a future rooted in equity, inclusion, and opportunity for all. Black history is American history, and its legacy continues to shape who we are today and who we strive to become as a community. You will find this proclamation as well as all other proclamations on the city website. And now we're going to move into public uh comment. If you are here to provide public comment and have not already done so, please fill out one of these white request to provide public comment forms on the back table and hand it to Miss Hawkins. We are going to start uh on Zoom with Jonathan Eder. Mr. Eder,

Mr. Eder, are you there? Yes. Hello. Thank you. Okay. Hello. Good evening. Hi. Good evening. Mr. Ed, you'll have three minutes. I know you don't have the timer, so I'll just uh remind you. Okay.

Thank you. Uh, on May 28th, 2025, at 12:22 p.m., a former Lake Asiggo police officer named Brian McMahon was recorded on video running a red light and speeding in my neighborhood uh in Hillsdale without lights and sirens. His police dog, Chase, was in the car uh whose welfare I was concerned about. I contacted the LOPD and they were unconcerned about the violation of law or the welfare of the dog. And as a result, I conducted an investigation and through a public records request, I received a copy of the unit activity log for the police vehicle. The log confirmed the name of the officer driving, but noted that the vehicle was out of service and located elsewhere in Lake Asiggo during the same time period it was driving in Hillsdale. Moreover, the unit activity log listed multiple computer failures, which suggests that the log might be inaccurate. This led me to believe that there might be a chronic and pervasive problem within the LOPD's computerized record keeping system, which is meant to track its officers and vehicles. When I brought my concerns to the LOPD regarding the discrepancies between its unit activity logs in my video, I was again met with callous indifference. Chief Burke and Captain Simon both made an unrelated excuse that the driver was no longer an employee. They had nothing further to add. I'm disappointed that the LOPD leadership does not seem to recognize a broader issue, which is the public trust to maintain accurate records for its taxpayer funded property and employees. Rather, it appears that the community's concerns regarding public safety and recordkeeping are being sumearily dismissed. For example, according to OS162.305, 305. A person commits the crime of tampering with public records if without lawful authority the person knowingly destroys, mutilates, conceals, removes, makes a false entry in or falsely alters any public record. And while the driver of the vehicle retired shortly after the incident, he was under the command of

the LOPD at the time. Yet, the LOPD chooses to remain silent without acknowledging any supervisory liability or offering a simple apology. The incident occurred adjacent to the watershed apartments which houses elderly and disabled individuals who require assistance from caregivers and utilize walkers in wheelchairs when using the crosswalk at this highly dangerous intersection just a few blocks away from a high school and a tryate bus stop. The reality is that 40% of all traffic related deaths are pedestrians and we are more likely to be injured due to red light running related crashes and any type of crash. While the Portland police contacted the LOPD about their former officer's alleged traffic violation, the LOPD failed to cooperate with their investigation. As an elected official, I am seeking assurances that poorly managed LOPD vehicles and officers will not jeopardize the safety of my community. The operations of the LOPD deserve scrutiny.

Thank you, Mr. Eater. Next we have Chris Derky.

Good evening, Mr. Derky.

Chris Derky. I live at 2356 Glenn Haven Road in Lake Asiggo. I'm the chair of the new uh citizens citizen-led and citizenf funded committee. the Lake Asiggo Fire Station Rebuild Committee. Um our our website is up and uh functioning and it goes by that address www.lake asiggo firestationrebuild.com. Before I give my report on the progress of our committee since I was last here, I want to commend uh the city staff for the results of this most recent survey. the the trend in public support for this bond and program is increasing and I think that is uh indicative of the great job the city staff have done and I think also our committee in getting the word out to the community on why this is so important. Our our biggest opponent on this campaign is lack of knowledge about the project. It isn't it isn't a hard a hard no. it's the gee I haven't heard about it and once we have a chance to explain to people what this project is and why it's important then generally they support it. So here's a quick update. Uh fundraising is ongoing. We've raised about 60% of our goal. So the critical items on our budget um are funded um but uh fundraising is still ongoing. So as we get more funds we'll be able to do even more. Endorsements are moving along well. We have over 70 individual endorsements and four or five um association or neighborhood association or club uh endorsements, but there are many more that are in the works. Um we have 15 speaking engagements scheduled right now between

now and the election and many more getting getting planned um every day. Uh that's what along with endorsements. That's one of our major objectives to get out in front of people explain why this is important. um the um the facts in a nutshell, if you would if you would forgive me or if you would permit me to to give my my 92nd elevator speech, in a nutshell, after all the farmers markets that we attended and and the interface that I've had with the public so far, this this is kind of the logical uh uh string that to me has appeared to be the most compelling. The first is virtually all the firefighters in Lake Asiggo are licensed paramedics. That's the highest medical certification outside of hospitals. That's very rare among other fire departments. Secondly, the um on a cardiac arrest call or major medical call, two companies respond. So you have six attending paramedics and a usually battalion chief joints that makes seven. That's extremely rare. and and all six of those people and or seven have a specific role to play in that uh in in that providing that service. The third response times in our town are are remarkable. Uh the standard from from Clakamus County is 90% of the calls have to be in uh 8 minutes or less. Here 96% of the calls are 8 minutes or less and a great many are less than uh six minutes. So the combination of all three of those is that the the recovery rate for cardiac arrest in Lake Asico is almost twice the national average. We are so fortunate to have this this

this first responder team in our town. And so so the logical connection now to Southshore, this is only possible if we have four fully operational fire stations and if there was a major earthquake, we we don't know what would happen to Southshore. But if it for some reason it became inactive, inoperable, then the recovery rates, response times citywide are severely impacted. we have to have that that fourth fire station. So that's why this is so important. Um so my ask tonight is that as you travel around and make contacts and have meetings and talk to folks, if you see an opportunity for us to come give a presentation to talk to give a 90-second elevator speech or a 15minute PowerPoint, whatever it is, we're we're ready. We have an eightp person um uh speakers bureau. So we have a whole team whatever whenever it is that you can open the door for us, we'll be there.

Thank you, Chris. We really appreciate the update and the website looks great and you're you're so far ahead of things we haven't even referred it to the ballot. So you're you're on top of it. We're going to get an update tonight and then of course we have referral to the ballot uh scheduled for consideration at the February 17th meeting. Yeah, perfect. I'll be there. Thank you very much. appreciate you being here tonight. Nancy Nancy Hedley and Mark Wman.

Good evening to both of you. You what? Hi. Good evening to both of you. Good evening. Good to see you. We are here uh representing the Awiggo Pioneer Cemetery. And what is your name? My name is Mark Wman and I'm the uh manager of the cemetery and this is our president Nancy Hedley. And in the back you'll see Joe Collins. You want to raise your hand, Joe? Hi, Joe.

Diddy. So, we just want to bring before you the importance of keeping the cemetery up. It's our heritage. It's who we are. La said at one point, a famous Chinese philosopher, the beginning of culture and civilization is taking care of those people who have gone before us. So, we're here to just simply urge you to think really hard about keeping the cemetery going. I was born and raised here in Lake Asiggo, and I remember in high school it was filled with brambles. We could hide up there from people. Nefarious things. Yes, we would hate to see that happen again. So, that's what we want to bring before you. Now, I also want to mention that this cemetery is not a liability. and Nancy is going to give us some of the numbers of the money that we have. Okay.

So, we're an endowment cemetery, which means that a percentage of percentage of all our sales um goes into endowment fund. And so, at the moment, at the end of 2025, we have uh $128,500. And in our checking and savings at this time, we have $270,000. So, um, we that might help you with your study session.

And the other thing I'd like to point out is the volunteers that we have are starting to get older and older and drop out. And I don't know if you know the difficulty. It's very difficult to get people to volunteer these days. So, that's again why we appeal to the council to think hard about taking over the cemetery. And our board's been there for 15 years now. You get a plot if you volunteer. I know. We don't. But you don't drop out, you drop in. I like it. It's great. Okay. Thank you. We got lots of ideas. Thank you both very much. Diane Cassidy.

Oh, thank you. You don't come up. You missing the zingers.

Hi, Miss Cassidy. Good evening. Hi Diane Cassidy Lake as we go. In the last few years, the LO comp plan has been under siege. Its purpose unclear. It exists today only as a set of hoops developers need to jump through only because the state has not formally abandoned goal one of the state land use laws. It is there for show. Even before the state's increased interest in every detail of land use in the state, the concept of citizen involvement has been compromised. For years, the outcome of development plans has been predetermined and citizen involvement a farce. The city's planning staff essentially works for the state and has assumed its goals to increase residential density and discourage the use of cars. People can't live in single family neighborhoods and new development limits parking space for automobiles. In fact, some density codes can be intensified if the land is close to public transit. The big con is revealed whenever planners convey benefits for transit. They are fooling no one. Over half the bus lines that come into Lake Asiggo only run at rush hour on weekdays and try is pos poised to eliminate several more lines and truncate others. L is a transit de trans transit desert and it is insulting and wrong for the city to claim otherwise. Local officials no longer work for us. The Legos we go taxpayer the entire development and land use process is now dealt with by the planning staff according to state mandates. In this scenario, it benefits the political and planning machine to have citizen input limited. It does not matter what the codes and rules say as long as they can be manipulated to achieve development goals. It is foolish for citizens to think that their ideas matter or that

local wishes per the comp plan are valid just like it's the state and local officials intend. People move to Lake Asiggo for its suburban lifestyle, but that is quickly disappearing. The disrespect for where and how suburbanites live is extended to our compland and anything to do with goal one. Forget preserving the character of any Oregon community. The social engineers in Salem are there to tell us what's best. That's it. Okay. Thank you very much, Miss Cassidy. Jeffrey Wes.

Good evening.

Good evening, members of the city council and city staff. I'm Jeff Wis. Last Thursday, I went for a fivemile walk in the morning, and it seemed like everywhere I went, especially in my first edition neighborhood, I walked through gas powered leaf blowers. It's bad during the week, but especially Thursdays. So, when I got done with my walk, it was about 1:00, I decided that I was going to drive to Portland and see how their ban on gas powered leaf blowers are going. So, I got in my electric VW Golf and I drove to Portland and the first place that I went was the Irvington neighborhood. That's a historic neighborhood with treeline streets. So, I drove to the neighborhood. I went real slow. I rolled my windows down. I can hear a leaf blower from several blocks away and I didn't hear a single leaf blower. So, then I went up to the Alberta district, drove around there, absolutely nothing. So, I'm thinking, well, maybe they're south of me. So, I drove all the way to Reed College. Drove around Reed College, stopped my car, rolled down the windows, never heard one. Then I went up to Mount Taber neighborhood. When I was in the Irvington neighborhood, I saw a mail carrier and I asked her, "How often are you walking through gas powered leaf blowers on your route?" And she said, "Never." She says, "I don't see any." I said, "What about before the ban on January 1st?" And she says, "Oh, yeah. I saw them then." And then as she was walking away, she looked at me and smiled and said, "And I really appreciate that, by the way, that I don't have to walk through them." This is exactly what I thought would happen. If the city bans gas powered landscaping equipment, that means that all city employees will stop using them. That's

parks, schools, public works, and the larger landscaping companies will not violate that ordinance. They will use electric as well. There is a friend of mine who lives in a large HOA and it's being serviced by a large landscaping company here in town and they were told that this com this company told her that no, we're still using gas in your neighborhood, but just so you know, we've made quite an investment already in electric equipment and we're bidding on jobs in Portland right now. Unfortunately, we're saving all our gas equipment for Lake Asiggo. And the only way we're going to do something about that is for your city council to put a ban. Gaspowered leaf blowers produce loud and toxic smoke. Please add this to your 2026 council goals to ban gas powered landscaping equipment effective January 1, 2027. There is nothing to be gained by waiting. It's working in Portland right now. Thank you for your time. Great. Thank you for that information. Thanks, Mr. WS. Is there anyone else who would uh like to provide public comment? Hasn't signed up. Okay. All right. Then we are going to move on to the consent agenda. We have five items on the consent agenda. The 2025 year-end goals report, its acceptance. A public improvement contract for the McVey pump station replacement project. Resolution 26-03, which approves an IGA with Metro for the code audit project. Resolution 26-05, which approves an IGA with Clakmus County for advanced life support emergency medical system integration. and resolution 26-06 which approves an IG with the city of Rivergrove for canal road management and maintenance. Is there a motion to adopt the consent agenda?

Move to adopt the consent agenda. Second. Right. The motion's been made by councelor Corgan and seconded by councelor Boop. All those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Okay. That motion passes 70.

Okay. Now we are going to move into a public hearing cons in consideration of ordinance 2964. I'm going to this is a code amendments to update the use specific standards for home occupations and create regulations for urban agriculture. Going to invite our community development director Jessica Newman and associate planner Michael McMe to please come forward and I'll ask legal council Miss Dtoyan to please read the uh procedures for tonight's hearing. This is a continuation of the public hearing for ordinance 2964, code amendments on home occupations and urban agriculture from the January 20, 2026 city council meeting. Staff have made a presentation and public testimony has been taken. Council may now ask questions and deliberate before entertaining a motion.

Okay. Does anyone have any declarations of conflict of interest they want to make before we start we go back into the hearing? I'm going to make a declaration. I have a wife that works at home and so I'm going to recuse myself out of an abundance of caution so I will not have any input on this and I'm going to disappear. Okay. Thank you, Councilwoman. Great to see everybody tonight. I won't come back.

We'll let you know when we're finished. Anybody else? Okay. Okay, Director Nalu, Mr. Mechne, would you like to kind of give us a brief refresh on where we left off at the last meeting? Uh, the council uh concluded their uh the public hearing and were uh del deliberating uh where we left off. uh the council had um specific concerns or or were or were having discussions, excuse me, about um some of the recommendations that the planning commission had uh put forward. Um I know there were some issues with uh the number of uh clients that would be uh limited on the site was a consideration. And then the other consideration was whether or not to allow outdoor activity. Um, and am I forgetting anything? I think those were sort of the two main issues that the council um was deliberating on. And of course, uh, we're here to answer questions, provide clarification, and um,

thank you. No, we appreciate that. I think as a um you know reminder to my colleagues so we we um we we we set into this because the city's you know regulation standards for home occupations thus far have been that you can engage in a home occupation so long as it doesn't interfere with you know the character of of the neighborhood. And so if you go on the city's website right now you know it kind of lays out but in these subjective terms you know what's required. So, we haven't had no regulations, but people kind of understand, okay, I can engage in a variety of things, but I I just can't, you know, um it can't interfere with the character of of of the neighborhood. And we wanted to put some more objective standards around that because it's really difficult for code enforcement then when conflicts arise to enforce because it's just open to the subjective interpretation of what's interfering with the character of of the neighborhood. Um the planning commission made some recommendations that I feel like completely um kind of removed any guard rails and I don't think that was the council's intention in setting forth with this work was to take the parameters the subjective parameters albeit that we had and replace them with no parameters and so let me just make um kind of a proposal throw it out there. So we have as director Nanalu mentioned we have kind of the two parts of this. We have the outdoor activity and then we have the type uh B businesses which are home occupations where they might have customers clients visiting uh the home and instead of putting on so if we just focus on the type B these are indoor activities for a moment um I think it was difficult for us and the planning commission um to come up with a specific number you know is it five people at a time is it eight people at a time because I think it varies so much based on the circum irstances, you know, people might have an ability to really um it's really the I mean to park people off site, for instance. And and I think for um if I'm kind of channeling all of

us here, I think it's it's not so much an issue with how many folks um how many clients or customers people have at a time, but it's the impacts of that. is if you know cars are parked all over um the streets you know in a constrained area at you know multiple times every single day people are going to notice and feel that that impact. Um but there's other areas where it's not an issue at all. People have a lot of room on their property to put cars and I think we all have a lot of respect for private property rights thinking hey if you got the property and you fit people on there we we don't care what you're doing inside your your house for the most part. So, um, I wanted to propose instead of putting a a number, uh, limit that, and I talked to, uh, director Nalu who helped me out with this a little bit, thinking about what we could do that again would meet our, uh, standards of enforcability is to address the, um, is just to address that parking issue. So, uh, we would say that, um, the home occupation shall not create a pattern of parking or queuing that is visibly inconsistent with surrounding residential uses. So, basically, as long as the the occupation itself doesn't generate um a kind of array of parking out in the neighborhood that's inconsistent with what has been before, then it's fine. What do you all think about that?

Afghan in deep thought. Well, I I was going back to all the conversations we had last time and one of the difficulties I had was I don't want the government to tell me how many people I can have in my house. And so what you're proposing is sort of removes that ambiguity and that concern I had. And if we are concerned with the neighborhood characteristic, then what you're proposing, what you're suggesting makes sense to me. Okay. That's what I was going through my thought process before I said yes. Okay. Okay. Council Boop, does that resonate with you? Yes.

Okay. I guess my council Cory I guess my only question would be enforcement. If someone really did step outside the parameter that we agree on as being reasonable, how does that work? Let's have a

Yeah. So, I did have a discussion with our code enforcement officer about this potential language and um you know, right now it's very open-ended. It just says it can't you know uh the exact terminology? I know I'm going to get it wrong. can't uh negatively impact the residential character of the neighborhood essentially and that is so open-ended and there's absolutely no parameters. So it is still subjective but it is providing more clear parameters. So it is specific to parking and queuing and it is um it is establishing that it is sort of out of the visual uh visibly inconsistent with the surrounding residential uses. So that that's something that is it's still subjective, but it we can e more easily interpret that. So if we have a situation where there's just excessive street parking, we'll be able to say, well, this is before the home occupation was there, there wasn't excessive street parking, now there is. Or they're parking all over sidewalks or things like that that wasn't happening before. It is it's tied to this home occupation. So yeah, still still some sub subjectivity, but our code enforcement staff felt it was a significant improvement and they could definitely work with it.

That doesn't work for you. Okay. Um on the um on the issue of the outdoor activities, maybe u Mr. McMe you can refresh us with there are some parameters that the planning commission recommended hours, days of week, and number of visitors at what time.

That's right. So uh so first of all it's limited to classes essentially um limited to uh five clients or participants at one time no more than two sessions per day uh although we don't define how long those sessions can be and uh no more than six per week. Um and then we also limit hours uh between 9 and 7. Um, and also say that no outdoor business activity is permitted on Sundays or public holidays.

And of course, we specifically prohibit use of outdoor space for events, rentals, parties, um, you know, people renting out their backyards, pools, that type of thing, right? Okay. Would would there be an issue adding like a a no amplified noise provision to that list? That was something we looked into uh at sort of close to the beginning of this process and um there was a lot of concern about it in the survey that we sent out. Um, and I but is it part is it

you could add it and it is something that's enforceable because we know when something um but I think the the planning commission's recommendation was that we would um we would utilize the the nuisance code in order to um you know if there was some unnecessary loud loud noises that um that we would uh enforce it that way. Right. We know that is so tricky though because you know it's Yeah. Yeah. I mean

Yeah. Speaking of tricky, I think it's also tricky to define what amplified noise is. Um, are we talking about just your phone speaker or does it have to be like a concert like an outdoor speaker, Bluetooth speaker? So, that was another issue that we came up with when we were exploring that idea or came up against. So, that was why we didn't pursue it. But, what do you all think? Amplified noise. Yes. Yeah. But city city ordinance already prohibit no no matter what even if we no one can have their speakers and blowing up all the it's already on our ordinances. Yeah. No

well it no it covers it. I don't for me it's redundant. We should not put it there. It's already there. Do you think it's already covered? It's already covered. Well, yeah, maybe have the direct responding

to to not not to the extent that you would think. Um, it definitely has our limitations and day limitations on when um, you know, when construction can occur. Um, if people are sounding horn horns or signaling devices, um, animals, keeping of animals, it it covers those things. Um, and then after the hours of 1000 p.m., between the hours of 10 p.m. and 7 a.m. is when sort of the the the generic noise ordinance kind of um kicks in. So, if someone used ampl amplified sound in, you know, at 4:00 in the afternoon, it it may not uh be classified as a as a nuisance.

Yeah. But then you can't it's it comes now up to the like first amendment right constitutional right of a citizen using their thing. You cannot come and tell someone hey you cannot use the noise. It's a I don't think that we can do that. I'm not sure gets that amplification. I mean it contradict what we do in here. It's a Yeah. Okay. So you are you're not for because Yeah. That's okay. It's already covered. There's like

Have we have we had have we had No, we should ask city staff. Have we had people doing that right now? Have we had like our code enforcer being called because someone is blasting some uh it the in the context that I am aware that it happened it was someone who is holding outdoor events which would no longer be allowed. So um so is it a common thing outside of something like a like a a an event where u somebody is holding at their party? I I I can't say that that is a common occurrence. Okay. Councelor Verdict and then councelor Afghan.

I just want to clarify to council that the noise ordinance does not cover all noises like someone playing their music really really loud. It somewhat does once you get after 10, but even that can be tricky to get that like addressed. So it unfortunately our code is not perfect right now. um living next to again this is not a business that would be affected by this but who likes to do events right next across the street from me. No, it our ordinance does not cover everything. So

would you be in favor of a of an amplification provision? No. I lean towards Yes. Um I think more towards like a microphone, you know, if someone's amplifying their voice through a microphone or something. I I think it does get a little tricky with the speakers, but um you know, again, I think to me one of the biggest things is maintaining the kind of the feeling of the neighborhood. So when you start getting noises that you normally wouldn't have someone in the backyard doing or the excessive parking, I think those are what starts impacting the neighborhood. So I'm looking for anything that's going to help address those issues. Thank you, Council Verdict. Councelor Afghan

I think we need to look at it from different perspectives. One is we're in residential area. The area is zoned for residential area and what we're doing we're enabling people in case if they want to have a reasonable business in their homes. Re reasonable doesn't mean I can do whatever I want. similar to parking that we said it needs to stay within the characteristic of the neighborhood. I think the backyard activities are the same thing. Meaning if you have 22 people in the backyard, I know that doesn't allow it, but everyone is calm and quiet as a neighbor. I welcome that. But if they have three people and they have a iPhone speaker, iPhone 17 speaker and they're gazer sizing five nights, five days out of the seven days and I'm retired and I'm enjoying my backyard. I would have a problem with that because it's a residential area, not a business uh making noise area. So I am for making it more constringent and saying no speaker of any kind for the business. If you have a party in your backyard,

right? Well, this is just power to you. But for businesses, I wouldn't want to hear any noise unusual noise from my neighbors. Okay. And right now we don't allow any outdoor activities activities. So, we're trying to create some expectations to allow I mean, well, originally we had just said no outdoor activity, but we're considering some reasonable um regulations around. Council Corgan,

so I favor no outdoor activity. I think that neighborhoods are for neighbors, commercial areas are for commercial activity. Um, and we are we sit here and we are forced to increase density. I mean, look at our glass c. We I mean, we couldn't even save the tree for the folks in the cottage clusters, right? So, imagine how they're going to feel when somebody does what we're proposing here and they are in the cottage next door and they're only having um five people at a time, two sessions a day, six a week from 9 to 7 at the cottage next door. And then how about the cottage next door to that? How about the cottage next door to that? I mean, I think this will have unintended consequences that are really negative for what's a really nice place to live. Homes are our last refuge in a very noisy, busy world. And I believe this is allowing a backdoor violation of our residential zoning. So, I would prefer no outdoor activity. Let's let's keep the status quo.

No outdoor activity. Is anyone on board with no outdoor activity? Oh. No no the that's where where I'm talking about if you allowing outdoor activities you can like because the where the contradiction is when we say this is the city is zoned residential and business if we allow business in residential we have also to go all the way the restrictions like we all know no one will allow people to blast pass like 20 100 dibels of noise on a day and making business in their neighborhood you won't fly people we that's why I ask we've never cited anyone doing that so when we picking and choosing we do this we do that it's what create either we accept outdoor activities and people are reached outdoor activity of course there are some constraints you can't have like council Afghan says you know like put 75 dibels of noise or 90 when people are resting it's not normal but at the same time we just be for that reason we say okay no outdoor activities I mean the businesses are business if we allow business in the neighborhood we can allow people doing outdoor businesses but like respecting the rules rules.

There are some rules you can't if if you think the parameters we put in place are good. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Councelor Afghan, I I don't think it addresses the noise level and how noisy you can have it from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. You'd add the noise. I I would I would want to see no amplification whatsoever. No speakers. Yeah, no speakers. Like no speakers. And we could I know I know it's um council verdict and council ref how how do you do you do you favor more towards okay

that's one thing right if it's another thing if it's like during the during the day when everybody else is working and you're blasting music I think that's it's two different completely different scenarios I I think that uh what was it? I had a thought and I probably lost it. But I think we also need to understand that this is similar in my mind to gas powered lawn mower equipment conversation. It only really became an issue when people had to when more people started working at home, right? And so um I think they're different in certain circumstances, but in this one I'm with Ali like yeah when people are trying to work during the day like you shouldn't be having a party next door,

right? Like it's just common courtesy in my opinion. Right. Now, now look, maybe if they're if you have good neighbor, they're like, "Hey, Rachel, I'm I'm going to do something today. Are you cool with it?" Then, but I don't know if most people do that. So, yeah. Exactly. Well, I think Yeah. And that is the thing. I mean, most people see the current regulations, they want to be good neighbors, and that's why we don't see a lot of issues. But it's important to remember it's not it's not no regulation right now. And that's why I'm worried if we we come in and just say, "Hey, you know, do whatever you like, well, then people will do whatever they like." And I think it will be an issue. I think if if there's a way to incentivize people to talk to their neighbors, right, that's that's the best situation, right? Let's come up with We're all friends here. Like, come on. It's not I'm I'm the no overregulation guy. That's right.

Um but sometimes you got to have a regulation in place to force the conversation.

Well, that's right. We just need something when in in in in rare situations where Mr. Young Bloodood and and Director Nanloo have something they can sink their teeth into and are, you know, left. And um um so I'm hearing um movement towards wanting to adopt the uh proposals with um in regards to type B businesses adding that uh that parking um or that that kind of I don't want to call it a it's not a parking regulation. It's not a parking regulation. It's a um a standard a standard. Thank you Bennett. uh that the home occupation shall not create a pattern of parking or queuing that is visibly inconsistent with surrounding residential uses. And then in regards to outdoor uses to add a no amplified noise provision to to the standard in addition to the other standards that um and that are mentioned and I hear councelor Corgan's descent there. Um I I I agree these are we are allowing um uh uses kind of as exception to the residential uh character and are still hoping and and our intention is that neighbors will be good neighbors if they're um running a home occupation and and still operate them in accordance to the subjective standards we had before but you know following um these objective criteria that we've that we've put in place.

Mr. Mayor, uh, I think we, this may be words smithing. Amplification could be I have my iPhone that's blasting all these windows, but I'm not amplifying. But if we say black and white, no speaker of any kind, that means you can't use your iPhone, you can't use your boom box, you can't you can't have any artificial sound out there. So, I wanted to share that. Thank you. I'll make it work. But what if what if they're singing there's no amplification and they're outside and singing loud. What? You better hope they're good.

Huh? Okay. But okay, because you talk in noise. Noise is not only amplification. They come on guys. I don't want to have to bring up the trombone thing again. I know. We talked about the trombone, the beginner trombone. I know. Yeah, we talked about that. Those are worst case scenarios. People will move. I know it's horrible.

Then it goes back to what council Corrian was saying. No outdoor activity at all. Um, so let me So if I can, let's make a let me propose a motion that we tentatively approve ordinance 2964 um and direct staff to return on February 17th, 2026 with the final version of the ordinance including the amendments.

Oh, you want me to put the amendments in? Okay. Um, I uh move that we uh tenatively approve ordinance 2964 um with the following amendments. That we add um a standard to the type B business that the home occupation shall not create a pattern of parking or queuing that is visibly inconsistent with surrounding residential uses. And we add to the standards for uh outdoor uh occupations in addition to what's already been proposed uh no amplified noise and that we uh direct staff to return on February 17th with a final version of the ordinance including our findings and conclusions for LU25-002.

I second that. Okay. I mean is that is that ordinance or is that Yeah. I just want to make sure that so so the motion is to choose option one. Yes. Allow outdoor uses. Thank you. Yes. Yes. Correct. Okay. Motion's been made and seconded. Is there any further discussion? All right. We'll do a roll call, please. Miss Hawkins. Okay. Mayor Buck. I councelor Verdict. I councelor Corgan. No. Councelor Rap. Hi. Councelor Afan. I councelor Maboo.

I Okay, that motion and it passes 51. All right. Thank you very much. Derek, let me go grab John. Thank you everyone. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Here. Thank you everyone. Okay. Wait for councelor weather.

I know. Tense. Tense. John.

Tense. Okay. Uh now we have another another public hearing. It's on ordinance 2971. This is uh for regarding 4,000 cruiseway place. It's comprehensive plan map and zone map amendments. This is LU25-000029. We have senior planner Ellen Davis joining us and I will ask that uh Miss Tato Toyan again please read us the hearing procedures. Now is the time set for public hearing on ordinance 2971 comprehensive plan and zone map designations for properties at 4,000 Cruz Place. The public hearing process is as follows. First, presentation by staff followed by 15 minutes for the applicant's presentation. Then we'll have 10 minutes for a representative of a recognized neighborhood association, homeowners association, government, or governmental agency, or other incorporated public interest organization, followed by five minutes for each other person and five minutes for the applicant's rebuttal. Any per person in attendance eligible to testify may seed their time for testimony to another eligible person, but in no case shall any person's testimony be increased to greater than 10 minutes. Only persons who testified either orally or in writing before the planning commission are eligible to testify either orally or in writing before the council. Testimony shall be limited to argument regarding issues raised before the planning commission and shall be based solely upon the record before the commission. No new issue or evidence may be raised or presented to the council that is not in the record before the commission. An issue that was not presented with sufficient specificity to have afforded the parties and commission an opportunity to have responded to the issue precludes raising the issue to this council and on appeal to the Oregon land use board of appeals based on that issue. While providing testimony, please identify to the council the criteria or standards you are addressing so the council may consider your testimony in

relation to the applicable applicable criteria or standards. The council is not obliged to consider testimony that does not identify the applicable criteria or standards. Councilors, at this time, please declare if you have any exarty contacts, including a site visit, bias on this application, or financial conflicts of interest. No. Council Corgan, um, my personal email was CCed on an email opposing the ordinance. The email is marked as exhibit G--502. The exparte contact does not impair my ability to make an impartial decision on this application.

Thank you, Council Coran. Um, Mr. Mayor, uh, my email was also used uh, similar to Council Corrian and this uh, does not impair my ability to make an impartial decision on this matter. Is that the same email marked exhibit G502? Correct. Okay. Also note that at our meet at our at our meeting on December 16th, 2025, this matter, this hearing was not on the agenda, but testimony regarding the application was provided during public comment. That comment uh would qualify as exparte communication that cannot be considered in our decision because it is not in the record. So don't consider remember it. Okay. Okay.

There has been no timely challenge to a council member's right to consider the application and as a result we can proceed with the public hearing. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Satoy. And um folks, if you are here to testify when we get to that portion um of the hearing and you haven't already done so, please fill out one of these blue um request to provide public hearing testimony forms on the back table and hand it to Miss Hawkins. Okay. Okay, Miss Davis, take it away.

Thank you. Good evening, counselors. Uh my name is Ellen Davis. I am a senior planner for the city. As mentioned, uh, I'm going to provide a very brief overview of the application, but please refer to the full record, especially the staff report and the staff memo to the planning commission for more in-depth discussion. I'll also mention that we received exhibits G524 and G525 prior to the deadline on Friday. They were both added to the record and to your packet. Right before us tonight is located at 4,000 Cruiseway Place. It consists of three tax lots and is about 12 1/2 acres in size. It's located on Cruise Way Place to the south, Daniel Way to the west, Davis Lane in the northeast corner, and it is in close proximity to Cruise Way and to Boonberry Road. The request tonight is uh has two parts. The first part is to change the comprehensive plan map designation from OCR3 to OCR0. The second part of this application is to reszone the site from OC to R0. OC means office campus. That is a commercial zone that does allow some residential uses. Um but there are dimensional factors that make residential development practically um pretty difficult at higher densities. And the R0one is a highdensity residential zone that does allow multif family development. I'm going to start with housing. Um and that's going to be my first uh touching off point. Um, the city is working on increasing our housing capacity. As a council, you've worked on our housing needs analysis and our housing production strategy. One of those housing production strategies that came out of that work is to reszone land to allow housing. We're in a really early phase on a broader citywide city initiated resoning project that you'll see discussed in some of the public comments we received so far on this

application. The city's comprehensive plan land use policy D7 requires the city to accept applicant initiated quasi judicial comprehensive plan map amendment requests like this one tonight and those can be submitted at any time. When requests are received, they have to be reviewed based on the applicable criteria. They cannot be postponed or turned away because of another project. Although this proposal is applicant initiated, it's not part of the citywide project. The proposal tonight still aligns with our housing production strategy to reszone land to increase capacity for housing. Next, let's look at compatibility with neighboring uses around this site. Currently, there are existing commercial uses to the west and the southwest. And there are assisted living facilities in an apartment complex located to the north, the east, and the southeast. Commercial and highdensity residential uses are generally compatible with a highdensity residential comp plan and zoning designation. This proposal also aligns with the adopted Beluga neighborhood plan because the site's location is located off of arterial roadways near existing office campus complexes and multif family development. It is not located within an established lowdensity residential neighborhood. The proposed R0on would be compatible with these uses and development patterns on the neighboring site at this location. looking at adequacy of public facilities. The applicant provided a conceptual utility plan shown here as well as a technical memo analyzing the existing water and sewer systems at this location. Those documents go through the existing and potential future demands on these systems uh both under this proposed zoning and under the existing zoning as well as all other uses within the area in this site. Um, the city's engineering department reviewed the

applicant's submittal and concur that there is adequate public adequate capacity in our public infrastructure for the proposed reszone. Sticking with adequate public facilities and looking at roads and traffic, the applicant provided a technical memo from a registered traffic engineer comparing the uses allowed today under the OC zone in the proposed R0oning. The current zoning allows medical offices, general offices, and some retail. These are all uses that can generate high traffic demands, especially at rush hour, at what we call peak hours. Um, if the site is developed at as high of a residential density as possible, the traffic engineer found that the trip generation would decrease at peak rush hours because residential uses have very different peaks as opposed to commercial uses. The proposed zone change is not expected to negatively affect the transportation system because the peak hour trip generation would decrease under the proposed residential zoning. Our engineering staff have reviewed the applicant's traffic memo and agree that road systems are adequate to support the proposal. I'll also mention that there are TRAT bus stops in close proximity to the site also providing direct access to public transportation for this location as well. So in conclusion, staff including our engineering staff uh agree or concur that the applicants professionals provided technical documents that public utilities and infrastructure at this location are adequate for the proposed reszone. For the last topic, I'm going to shift to discuss trees, which did come up in a number of public comments on this application. And I'll start out by noting that there is no tree removal and no construction or development proposed with this application. Future development, including any tree removal for construction, will be reviewed based on

the codes in place at the time of that application submittal. So the Wuga neighborhood plan includes policies around preservation of existing mature trees um really focused especially on preservation of existing trees within public rights of way and within sensitive lands areas. Um but we do get into looking at tree preservation a bit through that Luga neighborhood plan. We have received a conceptual site plan from the applicant showing the feasibility of tree preservation. This plan identify or on this plan the applicant identified two potential locations for focus tree preservation. on the left side or the west side of the site. That area corresponds with a sensitive lands area in uh resource protection district around three sisters creek. So showing preservation of existing mature trees in that area specifically aligns directly with the Wuga neighborhood plan. There's also a targeted area identified for potential focused tree preservation in the middle of the site and that uh appears to be addressing uh public comments that came up and shows that it is feasible to uh protect and preserve existing trees on the site while still developing the site in a residential highdensity way. Um again we are not looking at a specific site plan or any tree removal with this application. Um so we are just looking at that question of feasibility of how the site could develop in the future. We'll get into more details later on. And so in uh this conceptual site plan, the applicant has demonstrated that it is feasible to development to develop the site under the requested R0oning while preserving existing trees, especially within sensitive lands areas as required by the Wuga neighborhood plan. So, in conclusion, the application demonstrates compliance with the applicable plans and policies. For this

reason, the planning commission and staff both recommend approval. And that closes my presentation. Thank you. Thank you, Miss Davis. We'll have you come back after the hearing for questions. Thank you very much. Is the Is the applicant here to make a presentation? Yes.

Great. Thank you. Hi. Good evening to you all. Good to have you here. If you please introduce yourselves before starting, it'd be great. Good evening. Uh my name is Jed Brush. I'm a representative from Sharenstein. Um I'll give a quick overview of Shorenstein and our thoughts on the site and then hand it off to the team to get more in the weeds on the details of uh of the application. So, um, for those of you who aren't aware, Shorenstein's been an investor in Lake Asiggo for some time now. Uh, 19 years. I've been with Shenstein 20 years. So, I've been involved, uh, the entire time. Um, do I don't think the PowerPoint is up.

So, this is uh an overview of of what we own. Uh, 1.2 2 million square ft across 14 buildings. Um, as I said, we've owned since 2007. We're in addition to being a uh an operator. So, we manage all of our buildings. We're also an experienced developer. We developed a building we refer to as Cruz Oaks 3 100,000 ft. Shortly after we acquired around 2008 is when we started that project. And then we've also developed uh 158 um unit residential building known as Willow. uh also on Meadows Road. So, um why are we looking at changing this site to uh residential? Um the existing buildings on this site uh cater to smaller tenants and after the pandemic uh the way people uh thought about smaller office space changed dramatically. You guys were just talking about something similar to that prior to this. Um we've lost a lot of those smaller tenants. they've decided to work from home. And so, um, we feel like this site is just tailor made for residential. Um, what we're seeing, uh, and hearing from our tenants, what they're looking for, um, suburban nodes that have the combination of residential, retail, and office all together. That's what tenants are looking for. That's what's outperforming. Um, all of those uses tend to help each other flourish. And so our view is this site's tailor made to help the city um meet its housing goals, but also kind of again help all the different product types flourish. So that's what we're trying to accomplish here. Um I'll now hand it off to the rest of the team to to go into the details. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Good evening. My name is Dana Craftch. I'm a land use attorney at Stole Reeves. My address is 760 Southwest 9th Avenue, sweet 3000, uh, Portland, Oregon 97205. Uh, except for when I'm working from home, which is most the time uh, here in Lake Asiggo on Iron Mountain Boulevard. Um, first I'd like to thank planning staff. They've done a a terrific job. They are so detailed and so thoroughed. Uh, so thank you very much, Ellen. Um, and also your planning commission. Um, we had a hearing before the planning commission, had the record held open, uh, a second hearing where they deliberated and recommend recommended unanimously approval of this zone change. And so we appreciate all of their efforts. Um, the planning commission and the city council spend a lot of time on housing. Um, the state has imposed a lot of requirements on on housing. Some feel comfortable, some feel less comfortable, and we want to acknowledge that. But the state law is what it is. Um, it started in in 2019. And I'm going to go over this quickly. I know this city council is very familiar with these state laws, but I think it's important for everyone in the audience to understand the source of some of these requirements. Um, in response to the housing crisis in 2019, the state said that cities the size of Lake Oiggo and other sizes um had to do more. And what that meant was as a first step, you had to analyze your housing supply and how much housing you would need over time. And that's called your housing capacity analysis, HCA. That was adopted in 2023. The next step was, okay, now you know what you need. How are you going to get there? Um, and that's your housing production strategy or HPS that was adopted in 2024. Um, there's 13 strategies. We're going to be talking

about one this evening. Um on the left that comes from the city's website. It's an overview of what you're doing about housing and it talks about to implement the HPS, the housing production strategy. That's what we're doing is uh reszoning commercial areas to support more housing. That's what's at issue this evening. Um the last step in the statewide process is the ongoing monitoring. Annually, you have to provide a summary on how you're doing on your housing goals. And every three years, you have to re do a full report, the next reports due in 2027, the more full report. Well, why does that matter? Why does that ongoing um maintenance uh or monitoring, excuse me, matter? Um is because of the pipeline of zoning. Um, we have heard testimony and I expect you'll hear more this evening that the city is going through a very deliberate citywide zoning process. Why don't we wait for that? You you'll hear testimony about that. Um, you can and you should do both. If you wait, then it's that much longer until you're providing needed housing. Um, we predict that it will take about 3 years from when this zone change is approved before folks can actually occupy homes. The reason for that is um the very robust public process that goes into a development application, the time it takes to pull those applications together, to do engineering plans, um to go through the building process, to actually build the project. Um so you're not doing the folks that need houses any favors by waiting. Um also, there has been a lot of process. These bullet points on the right took you years of public process, task force, surveys, hearings, work sessions. There's been a lot of process. This application has had a lot of

process, multiple hearings, neighborhood meeting, mailed notice. Um, so we're at the implementation phase and we think it's appropriate uh for you to move forward and as staff said, as a quasi jud quasi judicial application, you're obligated to to make a decision. Um, this is from your uh, housing production supply and I'm just going to talk at this at a very high level. You can read what it says, but it's really just talking about what you've adopted as the need. Um, 2,000 new housing units uh, by 2043 with most of those being uh, middle housing plex or multif family type uses which uh, the proposed R0oning can help you accomplish. Uh this again all of this material comes directly from your adopted plans. Um this is the summary of uh the 13 housing production strategies and I've highlighted the reszone land one. You'll see the dates 2025 2026. You wanted to target reszoning non-residential land to residential uh use. That's our proposal this evening. So it's right in alignment with your plan and your schedule. Uh again from your website. This is a summary of the need of the number of units and where to look reszoning commercial. Well, you don't look at just any commercial. You've got appropriate locationational factors. And I'm going to turn it over to Reed next to really go through some of these locationational factors. Um, but we believe that it supports that this site is uniquely suited to accomplish the housing needs that you have identified. Reed.

Thank you, Dana. My name is Reed Stapleton. I'm a land use planner with DAL. address is 309 Southwest 6th Avenue, Portland 97204. Um, Ellen did a fantastic job of really hitting a lot of the fundamental points that are in my presentation, so I'll try not to um rehash too many of those, but to Dana's point, um there there are three locationational criteria that the HPS points to in determining what are appropriate areas for for reszones to accommodate housing. And those are proximity to existing residential and highdensity areas, proximity to services, transit, schools, parks, etc., and the size and ownership of parcels. There's a an acknowledgment that let's look at properties that have some um a reasonable scale to them so that that those can be um planned and designed in a way for for maximum benefit. So if you look at the slide, this slide identifies some of those key factors peripheral to the site. Um you've got the Wuga Park East Park just to the south, Lake Grove Elementary School to the south as well. Um retail services very close in proximity to the site. to Jed's point, you know, having that um kind of vitality of housing in close proximity to those those retail services to the restaurants um will will help reinforce the the foot traffic to those and um provide services to the the future residents of the site. Um there's employment in close proximity as everyone's aware and then two transit stops on Boon Ferry and and Cruise Cruise Way as well. The site is surrounded by higher density

residential. It's the springs at Carmen Oaks is immediately to the north. Springs at Lake Asiggo is immediately to the south. The scale and form of that development is very similar to the character and the scale of what would be allowed under the the R0oning that's proposed. Um you have Marc Marcato Grove just a little bit farther to the south and then Haven immediately to the east. So, this is a a site that is surrounded by residential and residential character. Um, Dana alluded to this, but there's there will be a future design review application. And in that application, there will be uh some really kind of key uh site contact site sensitivity issues that will be addressed. There's the sensitive lands ordinance and the um three sisters creek and and its buffer along the west side. Uh in certain areas that's currently not to its full buffer width and and that would be uh remedied with with site redevelopment. Um there are stands of trees that would be addressed with the city's tree ordinance. We've submitted a schematic site plan that shows conceptually how the the site design could be oriented around those features. And then there are uh two areas identified in the city's mapping as landslide hazards. A a full geotech report would be submitted with site development that would look at what are the characteristics of those hillsides and any sorts of of geotech mitigation that might need to be addressed. So there there are very few distinctions really between the R0 and the R3. Um the the massing and scale of the two uh permitted under the two districts are are largely the same. Uh there's slightly more floor area ratio permitted with the the R0 than the R3. Um the

allowed uses are the same. It's really the the primary difference is that the R0 allows more density relative to the R3. And so, um, the the form and the character is is very similar. It's really a matter of what are the what's the composition of those buildings in terms of the number of units that that might be permitted. Um, Ellen covered this extremely well, but we provided a full examination of the the traffic impacts and the utility impacts and and found that um the site does have adequate public facilities to and and the region has adequate public facilities to serve the proposed use. Um so school capacity, there were a number of comments that came in from uh the public on school capacity and um this this slide was actually from our planning commission and we noted in this that um that the school district had not provided or raised raised concerns about capacity. Um, subsequent to to the planning commission hearing, there is actually a letter in the record from the school district um, stating that they're um that they're in support of additional families moving to the city uh to sustain the the student population that's needed. um which is in in line with the city's comprehensive plan which uh the policy is referenced here and it there's actually a city comprehensive plan policy to attract families with children to live uh and enroll in schools. Um, so lastly, getting back to to Dana's point about the the HNA and the and the housing production strategies, this proposal provides an opportunity to immediately make gains towards uh towards those goals. The the site meets the locational factors and checks those boxes. Having additional residents in this node

will support the employment and and retail uses surrounding it. and there's adequate infrastructure. So, for those reasons, um we obviously concur with staff's conclusion and planning commission's conclusion and uh respectfully request approval tonight. Thank you.

Thank you very much. Thank you both for all three of you. Thank you. Okay, now is the uh time in the hearing where we'll take testimony from uh individuals who um are able to do so or on the record. And we're going to start with Carolyn Krebs. Thank you very much. Who is on Zoom. So, we'll bring her up. Hey, Miss Krebs. Miss Krebs, can you hear?

Hello. Hi, Miss Krebs. Oh, we can hear you. Good evening. Good to have you here. Thank you for your patience. Well, it connected me. Oh, no, you're fine. Okay, you all have five minutes.

Okay. Um, I'm here to advance arguments provided in both oral and written testimony by myself and the Lake Forest Neighborhood Association in exhibits G509, G517, and G523. While I provided in-person testimony at the planning commission public hearing on behalf of the neighborhood, tonight I'm testifying as an individual. I have worked on several planning projects for Lake Grove. I represented the Lake Forest Neighborhood Association on the development of the Lake Grow Village Center Plan. This three-year effort involved a group of citizen representatives, including commercial property owners, culminating in a community plan that would that has withtood the test of time. The the one major project agreed by this group to catalyze redevelopment within Lake Grove was the Boon Road project. After serving on two committees to refine the plan, I served as co-chair of the Boonray Road project that finalized specific design of the roadway to balance business access, pedestrian and bike safety, and storm water management while creating a sense of place through design elements. Also, I worked with other community members and stakeholders in creating the statement of community values for the multif family affordable housing project in my neighborhood, Hianda Elnito, which formed the basis for considering proposals for the site development. I learned a great deal from this work. The best outcomes are not the simplest outcomes. The lowhanging fruit doesn't always provide what the community wants. It would have been easy to limit the design of Boonberry Road, but that would have led to a diminished outcome. There are always trade-offs, but I learned those trade-offs best occur when there is a process that involves detailed and open discussions with all stakeholders. I learned that welcome that creating a welcoming environment for residents seeking affordability must include amenities that are often at odds with maximizing density. Once again, trade-offs best occur when there is a process where all

voices participate and buy into the outcomes. The applicant is required but has not met its burden of proof with respect to city of Lakeo comprehensive plan policies identified in land use planning E1F and E2BIE. These criteria require the applicant ensure that the proposed changes are subject to a demonstration of public need for the change and that that change will be best met by the proposed changes versus other available alternatives. The city has pursued and been awarded a housing planning assistance grant for the reasonzoning for housing project to address the shortage of buildable residential land. To meet the 20-year housing requirement, 2,000 new housing units are needed, of which 642 units are categorized as multif family housing, such as apartments. The community development director, Jessica Newman, informed the planning commission on September 22nd, 2025 that this is quote not a lot end quote. When considering the pipeline discussed by the applicant considered that they she also suggested that the reasonzoning of the 4,000 cruiseway place was an opportunity to address quote lowhanging fruit end quote. The city's reszone for housing project, a comprehensive execution of this strategy will be performed that allows property owners and the public to address what this applicant has not, and that is the additional need for lower income housing as well. The city's pro project will also work to ensure that there is still adequate land available to meet employment and commercial and industrial needs. This is a very large site, over 12 acres. Before making this site exclusively R0oning, let's consider alternatives, perhaps even considering what the applicant Jeb Brush said

tonight. Um, and his and in his statement to the planning commission that suburban nodes that are outperforming are mixed used in nature. So, they've got some combination of retail, office, and residential. Yet, that's not what the applicant is asking for here. The city's resone for housing project can best determine on a city-wide basis the best available alternative to reszone within Lake Asiggo to accommodate all the housing needs of Lake Oiggo, not just market rate housing exclusively addressed by the applicant. Approving this application could lead to a residential development three times the size of the nearby Willow apartments if it develops 500 units compared to 158 units at the Willow. The best outcomes are not the simplest outcomes. The lowhanging fruit doesn't always provide what the community wants or needs. So, thank you for considering my viewpoint.

Thank you very much, Miss Krebs. Hey, next we have Liz Hartman.

Good evening, Miss Harman.

Good evening, Mayor and City Council. In my role with the Lake Asiggo Chamber, I've had the opportunity to attend a lot of meetings about housing strategies and hear more from the city about how to help meet projected housing demand and comply with the state of Oregon mandates for housing production strategies. The chamber recommended a number of options from the 13 considered by the city which included reszoning land which is the current what the current proposal follows. The chamber of commerce agreed this was a viable strategy and I agree with the chamber's recommended options. This pro this proposal addresses a portion of town where the city will see benefit to the surrounding area. Our local b our local businesses will see benefits through increased potential customers for local retail shops, restaurants, and the school district should see potential additional students at a time when enrollment is uncertain. The traffic studies indicate this location will accommodate the flow of traffic that housing units will generate. And although city councilors have attended more meetings than I have, I can say I've attended a lot on housing and strategies for our city. And after reading on this project, this seems to be completely in line with the planning that's been taking place over the last few years. And it helps keep moving towards the state mandates in a way that also benefits our local community. This project, property, and proposal epitomizes the good use of resoning. Thank you, Miss Herman. Cheryl Yushida,

I miss you. And are you here representing the Beluga Neighborhood Association? Yes, I am. Okay. Okay. Can you hear me? Yes. Just Yes.

Good evening. I'm Cheryl Ucha and I am representing the Wuga Neighborhood Association. in my pre previous testimonies presented at the Lake OSGO planning public hearing commission's public hearing on October 27th, November the 3, and on November the 9th. I gave a brief history of my historical involvement with Wuga Neighborhood Association for which I will not repeat to you tonight. It will be too long. In the past, Wuga neighborhood has experienced some zone changes after the approval and the adoption of the Lake Village Center plan overlay for which I was a part of a three-year citizen advisory committee. All of these zone changes had to do with smaller properties along the north side of Quarry Road and the west side of Oakidge Road. The zone change discussions took place by the citizen advisory committee made up of architect, local business owners and operators, LO long range planners, LO planning commissioner and adjacent neighborhood association representatives like myself and Carolyn Krebs. a collaboration of a variety of stakeholders rather than just one developer and Lakeosiggo city planning and engineering department for this application. Though the developer Shornstein, the Lakeosiggo planning department and now the Lakeosiggo planning commissioner are commission are placing most of their reasons to approve a change from office campus to zone property where three prominent office buildings are located to R0, a high density residential zone on the recommendations outlined in

the LO housing production strategy. This property at 4,000 Cruiseway Place is considered large as Carolyn Krebs mentioned by Lake Owigle standards. It's 12.67 acres and it is not vacant. Perhaps forgotten, however, most a lot of people don't even know where that is, nor have they gone gone up there to visit. We believe that even before the pre-application conference for this application held on June the 5th, 2025, the planning staff appeared to be bending over backwards to encourage the applicants to push forward with their request to amend the comprehensive plan map and request the zone change for this property. On September 22nd, 2025, Michael McName, Lakeosiggo Associate Planner, presented to the planning commission at a second work session PP25001, a memo outlining reszoning for housing. Shortly after, the city was successful in being awarded a housing planning assistance grant from the Department of Land Conservation to enable hiring consultants to help to help steer this effort. And that work has to begin in January of this year and end sometime at the end of 2027. A technical advisory committee TAC was also recommended to be created to guide this project as well as comprehensive code audit of the city's community development code which is another Lake OGO housing production strategy. During this process, the city was to begin conducting focus groups with residents to identify potential impacts that might exist for residents and businesses and how best to mitigate

them. If council approves the lakego planning commission's recommendation to allow one commercial business owner to amend the lakego comprehensive plan map and allow the reszoning of just one property. How will this decision be fair to other potential land owners and developers across all of Lake Oiggo who may wish to have their property reszone to residential of any kind or size? One landowner should not be allowed to jump ahead and solely steer the direction of the resoning for housing efforts for all of Lake Asiggo simply because they claim that the commercial business market is stagnant. What efforts have they seriously made to attract companies to occupy their buildings, especially at 4,000 Cruiseway Place? For your information, three the three parcels that are located on the 4,000 Cruiseway Place property, there are, excuse me, there are three parcels. We believe there are other creative and forwardthinking concepts for use on each of three parcels collectively or separately. An example of forward thinking would be to seriously consider mixeduse retail commercial including public facility uses or a um a variety of middle housing types or a combination of mixeduse commercial retail public facility together with a variety of middle housing types rather than just a single exclusive all rental apartments proposed by the property owner and developer. Doesn't this make more sense for this area since there are already many types of rental apartments nearby that are not fully rented? For example, Marcato Grove

and the Willow. Does the city really need a large amount of rental housing for this property simply because the developer is pushing that their proposal meets the Lake OSGO housing production strategy and the Lakeosiggo housing needs analysis? Why allow one property owner and developer to step over and jump ahead of the reasoning for housing efforts? Why not consider this property among others that were included in the focus group areas shown in Michael McNamese's memo presented to the planning commission on September 22nd, 2025. By taking advantage of this beautifully planned and zoned office campus property and replacing it with 370 to 430 apartments, units is a decision that Lake Oiggo should not be proud of. Based on the number of opposing written and verbal testimonies submitted during the planning commission's public hearing, this is not just a Wuga concern. Other adjacent neighborhood associations and HOAs, including Lake Forest, West Lake, Holly Orchards, and the Fifer Farms folks all have good sound reasons for the denial of this application by the Maple Multifamily Land and Dowel. Please deny the planning commission's recommendation to amend the comprehensive plan and deny the zone change from the existing office campus zone to the highest density residential um R04000 cruiseway place application number LU250029. Thank you.

Thank you Mr. Jeta.

Is there anyone else who would like to provide any comments? I don't have anyone else signed up. Okay. In that case, the the applicant, if you would like, you have five minutes rebuttal. Good evening. Dana Graph again for the applicant and I've got Reed Stapleton here uh in case I miss any issues. And please ask us any questions also while while we're up here. Um, one of the the comments was whether there's really a need um for this housing. And state law requires you to make decisions like this based on your adopted comprehensive plan. And what's adopted in your comprehensive plan is your housing capacity analysis which says unequivocably there is a need for additional housing. So that that's not a fact that that's in dispute. I'd also like to note that that need number is the floor. It's not the ceiling. uh planning is an ongoing iterative process as part of your reporting requirements annually to the state and every three years you update that number and it's growing with with population growth and so there is not this concept of shorenstein jumping the line and and taking all that the housing capacity away from any other property owners. You should be so lucky that a single project could handle all of your housing needs. There is plenty of need for for everyone. Um, in terms of lowincome housing, uh, you have five different strategies in your housing production strategy that's addressing that. Um, there is no

development proposal before you. Um, we believe it will be market rate housing. It will probably be rental housing. There might be ownership opportunities. Um, but it is a diversity and a variety of housing um that that can be provided. Um, in terms of whether uh mixeduse office retail will be provided on site, I I think there was a little bit of a misunderstanding of what Jed was talking about. He was talking about from a nodal perspective. So, a neighborhood perspective. Not every single site needs to have a vertically mixed use. And in fact, um, that kind of mix of use doesn't work on streets where there's not a lot of frontage or or foot traffic. So, it wouldn't work on a site like this. Um going back to this concept of we need more process, we need stakeholders. Um there's a difference between a legislative process, which an overlay plan for an entire neighborhood is a legislative process that there's a big tent and you get stakeholders. This is a quasi judicial process um that implements those prior legislative actions. So, for example, the housing production strategy that had lots and lots and lots of input decided these locationational factors to help guide quasi judicial applications like this one. This is exactly what was contemplated in in your long-range planning process. Um, but you should do both. You should do your legislative process, your your citywide review, and also this quasi judicial application. Um, you know, I think it's really important to keep in mind something that Ellen said early in her plan. One of the things we've called this site before in hearings a unicorn. You know, it's a large site. It's got services. Um, and it's not in an established lowdensity neighborhood. When you're looking citywide and you're trying to scatter this needed housing across the city, you may find yourself

needing to look into some other more established neighborhoods. And I don't think that's what this council wants to do, and I don't think that's what this community wants. So, if you're able to accommodate a large amount of needed housing on a site like this, that benefits everyone. Um, there was public comment submitted into this record. And, and I could be wrong, but I don't think that a single resident in either of the Springs projects or in the next door neighbor opposed this.

Oh, okay. I could be wrong. Okay. Pard, pardon me. Pardon me. We didn't remember that. We remembered some neighborhood associations commenting, but it hasn't been an outcry from nextdoor neighbors. That's because this is a higher density residential area already. Um, and we're proposing a a compatible zone with that. Uh, is there anything that I missed? I didn't have anything else.

Okay. Um, with that, we agree with your planning commission. We agree with your staff. This meets all of the approval criteria, and we hope you approve it tonight so that we can start to make a dent in the community's housing need. Thank you very much. Does anyone have any questions? Yeah. Councelor Afghan. Uh there was a comment about mixed use. Did you consider mixed use or you just went residential and that's it?

So the way this site is located, it's tucked away on some pretty quiet streets. So it's really not a suitable site for retail. And um the market has told us it doesn't want office on this site. So no, I mean we we thought about it but the market data was it's it's better as a a purely residential site. Thank you. Next question is I think I heard you saying there will be some rental there may be some ownership. There may be there may be I'm trying to gauge what is it that you're proposing. Nothing right now. Nothing right now. We're proposing to change the color on the map.

Yes. um so that Sharenstein can evaluate if it wants to build this project, you know, it built Willow or if we'd like to get a development partner to build a project. Um that will influence what the proposal is. Um it's a challenging time for new development. Um but this zoning gives as much flexibility as possible. Um I can tell you some of the concept plans that have been reviewed include town homes. Um some are apartment only. Uh it it it depends on a lot of factors and and there is no proposal. But when there is a proposal, there will be a pre-application conference, there will be a neighborhood meeting, there will be public hearings, there will be public process into whatever that development uh project is.

So the the drawings that you showed with two or three big buildings, those are just conceptual design. There is absolutely no decision on any of that stuff. Correct.

Thank you. And what's the number of unit differences between R0 and R3? Sure. And I might have to defer to read on this. That's a tough math problem. Um, technically the density in the R0 is unlimited. But, um, in both the R0 and R3 zone, 40% of the site has to be for open space and landscaping. Um, in both zones, the height limit is exactly the same and the setbacks are exactly the same. So, the the buildings will look virtually identical if it's an R0 or an R3 zone. What is different is the size of the units uh wi within those buildings. Um, Reed, can you do a little bit more of the math for me? Yeah. So the the schematic plan that you referenced that was in the application that did look at a balance of parking and your your floor area ratio requirements that plan had about 450 multif family units. So that that was a sort of a reasonable um a reasonable narrowing in of what we expected. Um it is possible that there could be more um according to that zone. So if you look at the traffic impact study that was done, there's a a slightly higher number in that. But again, under the transportation planning rule, you you're required to look at sort of a worst case analysis. And so that's why that number was a little bit more. But looking on balance, we were about 450 units with that um proposal.

Thank you. Uh Ms. This question may not be for you, maybe for the staff, but you'll come back. I I understand but I don't know who it is so I'm going to ask the question and you can defer to the staff. Uh Miss Kreb said at least two section of the comprehensive plans were not met. Do you know what she was talking about and how you would respond to that?

Uh sure. The the one was I think E14 that she mentioned and that was about need. And so that was my first comment is that your need is your housing capacity analysis. Um and in terms of the second one, I think it was E2B sub 2, it was whether the property best met uh that need. And that's addressed in those locationational factors and the compatibility. um those criteria do not say that you cannot make a quasi judicial application that you have to take this larger citywide legislative process. So we disagree respectfully and think they're met and uh staff agreed with us inside of planning commission.

Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Sam. Thanks, Council Afka. Councelor Corgan, what can you tell me about uh your commitment to retaining those white oaks? We know that we have a conceptual plan and then we have a process that goes along and sometimes they trees just go away and I'm wondering how do you feel about that? What commitment are you willing to make to the community to retain these trees?

Sure. Well, I don't think a condition of approval is appropriate. So, not that. Um, and there's a few reasons for that. One, you're in the middle of changing your tree code. So, we don't know what your tree code is even going to be um at the time that an application is proposed. Um, we don't know what a grading plan will look like for development because no development is proposed yet. So, we can't pull out a a a site plan and start pointing at which trees are, you know, can be saved. What I can tell you is that we understand the importance of trees to this community, which is why you saw in the concept plan that as many trees as possible were saved there. That is also a reflection that the city has not um imposed an overlay zone over those trees. The Three Sisters Creek does have a natural resources protection area over it. That tree grove does not. Um the development that occurs will be sensitive to those trees. Um we were previously involved with a developer um that was taking a run at developing this site because of market conditions. they're they're not and we called that the heart of the site that developer who's not involved with this anymore. They understood the importance of maintaining trees particularly those majestic trees that will be benefits for those residents as well as as the larger community. Um so that's the the level of commitment that we can provide based at on the facts that we know um at this time.

Thank you. Uh my next question is just it's an odd thing and I don't know considering that we're working with conceptual plans somewhere it came up that there are 399 parking places and 430 units. Is that so I'm just kind of wondering we obviously can't say anything about parking but we really like we would really like there to be ade I mean can I say it adequate parking for the people that live there. Is that does that mean anything at this point that the parking spaces are fewer than the units? Sorry, I would have to go back and look to see exactly where that came from. Um, yeah. So,

but but what I can tell you about the site is there is no on street parking nearby. Um, and you want to be able to lease your units and your your residents have cars and so, you know, there is even though you don't have a minimum parking requirement anymore, the market dictates um adequate parking. Uh, so you know, we don't have a proposal right now, but but I hear your concern.

Thank you very much. My last question is, is there since we're still in the conceptual stage, is there any potential at all for a few affordable units mixed in? We've seen um developments like that and they seem to work pretty well. I'm wondering are you is it really set in stone? It's all going to be market at this point.

Nothing is set in stone, but we're also not able to to make um a commitment about that at this time. But, you know, one thing to keep in mind, and you know, I know that there are top of market rental apartments in this community that are expensive, but generally speaking, apartments and and town homes are a more affordable product than single family development. So, even though it's not subsidized affordable housing, which you have strategies to um develop those within the community as a housing type, it is a different uh entry point for for the community. Yeah. Great. Thank you very much. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. All right. Thank you both very much. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. We're going to go ahead and uh close the public hearing and Miss Davis, would you like to come back to the table and if anyone have any questions for Miss Davis questions? I have one. Okay. Councelor Afghan. Go ahead. Uh if I remember correctly, at one of the city council meetings, we were talking about parking lots and uh if they're larger than certain size, we have to have some requirements whether it's solar panels or coverage with trees and so on. Would this parking lot need to meet those requirements or since this is residential, it doesn't apply?

It will depend on the size of the parking lot proposed. So, if the parking lot proposed is 1/2 acre in size or larger, then all of those standards you're talking about do apply uh including uh tree canopy, solar panels as you're talking about. There are a lot of specific requirements that come into place and it's based entirely on the size of the parking lot. Hey, thank you. Thanks, Councelor Afghan. Yeah, councelor. Oh, councelor.

No. Yeah. No, I just uh I know we are not uh talking about environmental issues. We are just talking about zoning. But it's important like my colleague said that uh people who are coming to Lakeos we go to because we all know that resoning is always opposed everywhere in the United States by the neighborhood whether reasonably or unreasonably that's a fact. Everybody want to conserve the character of their neighborhood. That's what they all say. That's it. But it's fair to say that like having 500 units in an area that would because I see sensitive land and and probably I think planning can talk about it that there is no leeway on like destroying wetland or like there's no no matter what the construction will be those cannot change in the zoning. We don't destroy wetland. We crave wetland.

Yeah. No, but but there is if you look at that the sensitive land area in the resoning is it create giving the person or the people who are developing there is it giving them any leeway into going around like the sensitive land?

Um so yes there is a sensitive lands area identified on this site. Currently, there's some existing non-conforming development. There's some parking lots that are a little closer than what we would allowed today to that stream corridor. Um, there is not an allowance to put anything new in a sensitive lands area unless um we do have times for especially utilities or access that what's called an unavoidable crossing is necessary in order to provide access to a buildable area outside of the sensitive lands for instance. Um in those cases which is not proposed at this site and I don't have any reason to believe would be necessary. Um but in cases where that is necessary the very first step is to look at whether it can be avoided whether any impacts at all to the sensitive land can be avoided. If there is the ability to provide those services that access whatever it might be in another way that doesn't affect the sensitive lands they have to do that. Um so that is one thing that I will say on that. Um the as far as I know it is it's a large site as we keep talking about I don't see any reason based on the uh location of utilities um access points I don't see any reason why any intrusion into that sensitive lands area would be necessary to develop this site and the applicants have provided a conceptual site plan showing that the site can be developed without impacting that resource area and also um really limiting the uh development that they would do in areas of potential uh landslides as well. Um they do have enough area they can really work with that site to locate structures or whatever they might need as amenities for the residents outside of protected areas.

Thank you. And um thank you for your presentation. It make me very clear on the decisions that utilities and everything works well over there you know and thank you. I have uh a reason to make a decision after. Thank you. I'd like to uh move to tenderly approve ordinance 2971 and direct staff to return on February 17th, 2026 with a final version of the ordinance, including findings and conclusions for LU25-0029. Second.

Okay. There's been a motion that's been made and seconded. Um I want to ask uh Miss Davis a question. Um first would um just when one of the criteria that you went through in the presentation related to the um to the tree preservation, right? Um and and we put the uh the conceptual development said, "Oh, what's possible trees, but um you know, it's conceptual plan. It's not a binding plan." So when it comes time to putting a actual development plan in place of course be subject to the tree code. But is it then subject to the subject to this criteria that that the zone change was premised on this um ability to I mean why did we address it? I guess I'm asking is it additional criteria then or

so I'm going to start with a a step back. So the comprehensive plan is a guide map for this whole community that we put together as a community really um looking at policies recommended action measures. The way that we implement the goals and the policies of the comprehensive plan is through specific zoning codes and tree codes. So the comprehensive plan will not be directly applied to uh any future application for development on the site. However, the policies and the recommendations of the comprehensive plan are implemented and through the zoning code and the tree code. Right now, we are working on updating our tree code as I'm I'm sure you're aware um in order and working with a number of stakeholders throughout the community. really working on that tree code to ensure that it aligns with our community values and goals right now today rather than looking at the 2013 comprehensive plan which still informs the discussion but really assessing our needs right now for urban canopy and forest. And so the tree code that comes out of this process should implement our comprehensive plan ideally even better and in a way that can truly be followed as opposed to a comprehensive plan which is much more uh general and broad and the tree code and the zoning code is how we actually make those goals happen on the ground.

Okay, that makes sense. Thank you very much. Council Afghan, did you have a question? I heard that the applicant has done a traffic study and you also mentioned that this would actually maybe help the traffic versus having commercial uh buildings. I think I heard that. Okay. who from the city has looked at that traffic study and say, "Yeah, it makes sense because when I look at the site and look at the number of entrances and exits, it's like a 450 residences. How are they going to come into the street and leave the residences? I'm not a traffic engineer, but I look at the site and I go, "Hm, interesting."

Yeah. So, that's a great question. Um, so first off, uh, staff, uh, or our staff who have looked at this, um, who actually are traffic engineers are, uh, Will Farley, who is our assistant, uh, city engineer. I I might be misquing what his actual title is. Um so he has reviewed this uh and also ODOT reviewed this proposal as well due to the proximity to I5 on-ramps. Um and so those are two sets of uh traffic engineers who have reviewed the study. I'm myself not a traffic engineer um addressing access to the site for future development. I will say that that is actually one of the um topics that will be reviewed and reviewed thoroughly during a development proposal application. So that's going to include uh access to the site. It may slash uh likely will include requirements from our engineering department around um the size of the access, where the access is located, what materials the access is made from, are there sidewalks, what size are those sidewalks, are there tree wells in the sidewalks, how big are the tree wells? It gets very detailed with prescriptive requirements. One of the requirements that will be um uh a a material that will be required for an application for development in the future will be an updated traffic uh analysis for the proposal. So this is looking at a worst case scenario for the site. It is not specific to a um exact building location, size, number of units. When they put together that proposal, they'll provide it to their traffic engineer and they'll have to submit specific traffic engineering memos based on what is actually proposed at that time. And our engineering staff will review that and then make requirements as necessary to ensure that access is going to be safe entering and exiting the site. Looking at site distance, um looking at pedestrian access, um looking at kind of all of those different items. So in a very specific comprehensive way.

Thank you so much. I don't have any more questions but when we have the discussion I would like to bring up some points. Well sure please go ahead. We'll um have any other questions? Okay please go ahead deliberation.

Uh first of all I am in support of this project but I have some fears. We know that conceptual design are just conceptual design. But when the floor plans come in and the buildings land right on top of those trees, we don't have any options because our code says they can cut the trees. That's a fear I have. And I think councelor Corgan asked that question, but rightfully so, the applicant wasn't able to make a commitment. So, it's sort of like, okay, we're between the rock and the hard place. That's a fear I have. The other one is affordability. Again, we're just changing the color on the zoning plan, but how is this going to help Lake Asiggo? Other than so many hundreds of residences, whether they're high expensive condos or affordable units, we don't know. That's the second fear I have. Again, I said I'm in favor of this, but these are the fears I have and I don't know how to address them. And the third one is the zoning R0 versus R3. If we're not going to constrain this and the market is going to drive this, this is exactly what happened in San Francisco and in New York. you end up with having 250 square foot of units that unlimited number of units for R0 that scares me. So these are the three topics that I don't know how to address address yet. I'm in support of this. So I'm I'm struggling right now.

Thank you, Councelor Afghan. Council A.

I'm I'm always known as the counselor who maybe should bite his tongue but never does. So, I'm going to I'm going to go after it now. Um I feel like our community is extremely bipolar. We talk about wanting low-income housing, but we don't want to cut down trees. We talk about needing more housing, but we need to have be low income. We need to um you know, oh, it's too big. you know, it's uh we're going to cut down trees or it's, you know, it's we have all these reasons to not do things, yet we have all these opportunities to do things that we all have agreed as a community that we want to do. Progress is never perfect. I'm going to repeat that. Progress is never perfect. We don't have a lot of opportunities as a as a city to have more housing. Unless you want us to keep building massive mansions next to your little house or your, you know, nice cottage that's been here for 50 years, we don't have a lot of options. As you all have been following North Anchor, it's not easy to build uh a residential building. And so when we have opportunities and developers and people that want to invest and do that in our community and then we make all these hurdles to that make it hard for them, are we stupid? like let's get we're only hurting ourselves as a community here and I'm sick and tired of us always coming up with reasons not to do these amazing opportunities. Yes, there's risk. There's always risk with what we do. That's why we're here. We're here to mitigate as much risk as we can, but let's remember this is a zoning conversation. That's it's it's zoning. If people want to build buildings, we got to see plans. We got to approve them later. Um, so let's just let's open up the aperture a little bit. Let's be a little forgiving. Let's be a little open-minded. Let's not boil the ocean on a zoning permit or a zoning zoning application here. These are good things for the community. Okay, it may not be totally low-income housing. That's fine. We're doing low-income housing elsewhere,

right? Last I checked, our tree canopy is growing, right, Mayor? Okay. There's O. Don't. I see you. Don't. So, let's realize that progress is not perfect and I'm in favor of this. Okay. Thanks, Council Rap. Council.

Well, I agree with my colleague. Um, I think I I'm looking at this as a very positive step forward. Uh Shornstein has been an excellent uh developer, neighbor um company that has supported Lake Asiggo and has provided uh with uh Lake Asiggo with one of the largest business parks um with office space in the Northwest and they have a portfolio of buildings and uh they have I think it's a 20% vacancy rate right now. Um that should be telling us that we're probably three years behind in this discussion. Um and we could probably have more housing almost by now since he said uh it's a three-year project. Um we could be ahead of the game. So um I guess I want to uh say two other comments. One is uh if you look at the school population, which we have a school board member um an ex school board member who has been on for 12 years, we've been fighting uh enrollment uh for quite some time. We've been flat and actually actually we're going down. And for us to have a project that will bring in more families and more kids, uh that's going to be very healthy. And I value um kids uh over trees. Okay. Sorry. I'm I'm a human and I respect humans and I like humans and I think we need to give humans the very best chance. The other point on the uh tree thing is that they knocked down a bunch of trees when they built the springs. Everyone was all upset. Go drive by the springs now. They planted trees. And you know what? The trees are growing. In fact, the trees are pretty big. In fact, they even look better because some of the t some of the ones they took down,

they were uneven and they were um some of this and there were I mean some of them had diseases, some of them had branches that fall. We're going to get new trees. And you know what? 15 years from now or 10 years from now, you won't even know that the trees were knocked down. Um, so I'm all for trees. You know that. I think we have the best tree canopy of anyone in the Northwest. Um, so I have confidence that we're going to do this project right. And I also have a fear that Shornstein can get this done. That's my my problem. They have deep pockets and for them to step up and try to do this um I think they had a partner. Maybe the partner isn't there right now. They're probably looking for other partners. I have confidence they will. But I've been on North Anchor Project for my entire time here and I've heard hopes and dreams and all the BS that goes along with it and we still haven't dug any dirt yet. So, we can talk about zoning up to the yin-yang and try to control things forever. Um, in reality, let's open the reinss. Uh, we've got a somebody who wants to invest.

Let's let it go. So, anyway, I'm 100% in favor of this and I think it's actually a gift to Lake Asiggo because it's going to solve a lot of problems and the uh presentation had one key element to it. The infrastructure is there already, right, for all the streets and everything else. There may be a few little tweaks here and there, but folks, we're just repurposing buildings that are unproductive. Um, and and by the way, the tax base is probably going to go up when they turn turn it to residential, and that's going to give us more money to spend. So, council, we should be happy.

Right. I agree. I mean, we have um as part of our housing production strategy, remember we said we wanted to look at reszoning, specifically reszoning in commercial areas, not reszoning in in neighborhoods, which is something a lot of other communities are doing to make every more pushing a lot of density into into the neighborhoods. And so we've strived within um the goals that we have to produce housing to make sure that we're putting denser uh development where it belongs kind of in the commercial corridors where we can create more walkable, bikable, transit served uh communities, which you know is and as much as we love preserving trees and that is a huge part of our of our community identity, you know, this proposal doesn't diminish that um that value. You know, it's like this false trade-off doesn't really exist. We know that compact housing, housing like um this that could be allowed with this zoning change located near a town center along transportation corridors is a climate positive strategy itself. Um it reduces vehicle miles traveled. Uh it lowers this per or per capita emissions and it supports the kind of walkable uh community that we all desire. Uh we also know that development when it is applied for um on this site will be subject to of course stringent requirements that we have in place for tree protection and mitigation. Um as council woman mentioned we see on other developments and as we've seen in our community over time uh storm water management as well and environmental um uh performance ensuring that we are um uh mitigating and minimizing uh impacts over time. um you know half these these half vacant office buildings right now right they don't they're not serving anyone you know they're not uh obviously serving their owners

well yeah that's that is true um and you know it's good information to know too that the office and commercial uses that are already you know allowed on the site um they generate significant peak hour uh traffic and while this housing um and mixed use areas they tend to produce shorter more distributed trips that are more likely to be made by you know walking uh bike and other active transportation uh methods. So converting this underutilized office to housing I think it better aligns the land use with kind of current economic and work patterns which is why we've kind of wanted to embark on this activity and it is kind of a gift that here it comes on our front door because this is exactly you know what we're looking for in finding the folks that want to make that kind of investment and and conversion is challenging. There's lots of talk nationally, oh, what do we do with the office office? What do we do with the empty offices? Let's convert them to housing. It's like, well, how do we do it? Well, you know, yeah, someone has to do it, right? It just doesn't come from nowhere. So, the fact that we have a partner here willing to do this and is stepping forward kind of jumpst starts uh this activity. Um it establishes um more community stability by bringing in more families into the neighborhoods with stren strengthens enrollment in our local schools uh and sustains public services that uh we all depend on for a balanced you know residential population. So I think this is a good um application. I appreciate the comments that everyone has made. Everyone has really uh good points, but considered uh holistically, I think accommodating housing in the right locations and under the strong environmental standards that we have actually advances our shared goals around climate, transportation, efficiency, and the overall long-term health of the community.

Comments, deliberation, you ready for vote? Okay. So, the motion was made by councelor Windland and seconded by councelor Raph. And uh we'll take we'll take the roll call vote, please. Mayor Buck, I. Councelor Berdick, I. Councelor Corgan. Hi. Councelor Raph. Hi. Councelor Afkan. I. Councelor Maboo. I. Councelor Wland. I. Thank you. You're welcome. All right. That motion passes. Uh 70. Thank you very much, everyone. Yeah. And we're going to take brief recess. Oh, Jesus Christ.

Okay, we are back in order. Uh, moving on to agenda item 9.1. This is a study session on the Southshore Fire Station conceptual design and cost estimate and a review of recent polling results. And I'm going to turn things over to Assistant Fire Chief Chris Artman.

Thank you, Mayor Buck. Good evening, councilors, city manager Bennett and city attorney Tatotoyen. Nice to see you. Um, we have two backto-back study sessions for you today as Mayor Buck alluded to. Uh, we're going to go through them pretty quickly because we've been through a lot of this uh previously, but we will uh leave plenty of time for questions. And be before we begin, I would like to reintroduce the team. To my left I have Michael Scott of Henberry Architects. He's our project architect. And then to his left we have Spencer Bradley of Bremick Construction. And then finally Dave Lince of OTCH, our owners rep. Okay. So today, tonight we will go through the project history, the schedule, the proposed bond cost and the conceptual design drawings. Oh, this is the old um the target value design progress process slide will be in the supplemental slides if you have questions about that, but it won't be part of the the uh presentation. And finally, we will ask for council direction. After the questions, we will ask council to bring the conceptual design to give us direction to bring the conceptual design and final cost to February 17th meeting for bond referral decision. It's hard to believe it's been two years since council first set the goal explore the cost of building a new Southshore fire station while engaging the community throughout the process. The project began with community engagement with council's appointment of

the Southshore task force. This task force met for six months to discover feasibility, needs assessment, and finally a recommendation to the council to replace our Southshore fire station. Their dedication and commitment to this legacy project set the tone. We continue to partnership with surrounding neighborhoods and the broader Lake Asiggo community. Our project timeline slide shows community engagement with that green bar kind of in the middle of the slide there will continue throughout the life of the project. Bond support uh that we're firmly in the bond support phase of phase two. You can see the orange line going down for today. Um, we will share concept design boards and answer questions uh at Southshore Fire Station open houses, farmers markets, community advisory boards, and other community events to continue with our community engagement and education process. with referral and bond approval. The design process will continue with land use and permitting. And then phase three would begin in early 2027 with construction anticipated um in that same early spring of 2027. A move in being um early 2028. So in December we came to you with a budget of 21,230,000 and we have um rounded all numbers just for ease of this presentation if they don't look familiar to you but 21,230,000

and uh with the scope reduction decreases we were directed with the community room and associated spaces we decreased the budget by two 960,000. Since then, our final report from the geotechnical survey came in and there are potentially additional excavation needs. So, we had to add another 250,000 to the rock allowance. Additionally, you also see the temporary facility increased requirements amount of 76,000. Uh with the boat and tow rig being placed um on the temporary site for storage and due to initial discussions with planning, we realize that our temporary facilities are not actually considered temporary with city planning. they have to go through the whole development review process which does require some more stringent building and infrastructure uh for permitting. So uh we've added 76,000 to those uh to that temporary facility budget. Um, and as you can see on the slide, with these changes, the proposed bond total is 20,596,000. So that keeps us under 21 million. Sorry, did I say 21 million? I meant 20 million. Did I? 20,596,000. That keeps us under the 21 million amount. So, our our amortization rate stays at 19 cents per 1,000. Um, which means equivates to a yearly cost of $114 for a household that assessed has a assessed home value of about $600,000. So, with that, I'm going to hand it over

to Michael so he can discuss the conceptual design. So on the screen is a conceptual rendering that's depicting the new two-story essential facility. Considered a lot in the development of this design, but I'm just going to list a few. Uh starting with the long-term resiliency of the station, it's designed to remain operational during and after a major seismic event or other major emergency community event. It's also built to last 50 plus years so it can continue to serve the community for many years to come. It's also designed with considering the support that it's going to provide to the community. Looking to expand capacity both for today and for the future to improve response times um and to be the best supporter of the community can be. And it also focuses on crew health. And this is both the physical and mental wellness of the crew in the station. At the the result is that conceptually this station is going to be both a lookout as well as a refuge. Uh it's a civic outpost that serves safeguards and strengthens the community. The proposed development sits in the northeast corner of the consolidated lot. The location is primarily driven by the apparatus turning movements. Uh we did some extensive study to ensure that the station would be configured in a way that would allow for rapid um access and departure from the site. Additionally, there is about 15 ft of grade change from the north property line along Southshore Boulevard to the

south property line. Based on our early grading analysis, we believe there's going to be some pretty significant retaining that's going to require to maintaining station to work on the site. And then finally, um the access to the site. um is primarily on the west side of the site. There'd be a shared access drive for public and crew parking as well as um fire apparatus and then fire apparatus would be exiting from the northeast corner of the site. Uh so these next two slides are labeled as floor plans, but I want to emphasize that these are really preliminary more diagrams and they're really more to emphasize the space allocation and the spatial adjacencies that we've worked with the fire department to develop. This first floor can really be characterized as the spaces that directly support the the the crew and the station and therefore the community. Starting on the east side, there's a four bay apparatus bay. Um this is designed to consider um capacity for today as well as capacity for the future. Um the green spaces in the northwest corner, these are the offices and meeting spaces for the crew. They're very intentionally located on the first floor and at the front door of the station. This really reinforces that connection to the community um and the crew within the station. And then everything sort of south of that line is really all about supporting crew physical health. Starting with the orange spaces, we we refer to these as the decon spaces. And really, these are spaces that the crew uses to decontaminate personnel and their

equipment when they come back from a call. This also leads to how they maintain and they store their equipment. And if this is done properly, this leads to longerlasting uh equipment, keeps it in rotation longer. And then finally, one of the other big things that these spaces do is it helps um mitigate the crew's exposure to carcinogens um leading to healthier firefighters. And then finally in the blue is a fitness room space and this is located on the south side of the site um kind of the more quiet um side of the site and this is to reinforce uh training and physical health as well for the crew. second floor. This can be really these spaces can be categorized as the spaces that really can be the refuge for the crew and the station. And it's really more spaces that are designed considering the mental health of firefighters. The most active social spaces in the station are uh proposed to be at the front of the site closest to Southshore Boulevard. This again kind of reinforces that connection of the crew to the rest of the community and also puts those busier social spaces out to the front side of the site. At the core is really all those support spaces and then along the west and the south side of the site is where the proposed bunk rooms are. um onto the quiet, more intimate side of the site um to help reinforce better sleep hygiene and better recovery, which again leads to healthier firefighters. In the end, this whole station from top to bottom is designed with this idea of a healthier crew equals a safer community. That's it. With that, the work before you represents a communityinformed path

towards replacing a facility that has served Lake Asiggo for over five decades. It's an important step in determining whether this project moves forward to the voters. And we would like to take any questions you have. Uh but staff would recommend council directs team to return February 17th and with the final bond and conceptual cost, conceptual design for May ballot referral. Okay. Thank you very much. A great presentation. Council Raph, please go ahead. Firstly, firstly, I'd like to commend you on a great succinct presentation. That was that was amazing. That was like to the point just I love it.

Sean Cross. That's right. So, terrific presentation. Um I think it looks beautiful. Um, I felt a little guilty because I think a couple years ago I'm like, "No, we don't need a new fire station." And I saw that rendering. I'm like, "That's a pretty sweet fire station." Um, looks beautiful. Question I have was if you go back to the slide about uh the second floor diagram or layout, if you can go back to that. And this is probably a stupid question. Nope. Next one. Okay. Wellness rooms and quiet rooms. Mhm. Every every building has them. I never see them ever used. Do we really need them? Can we use that space otherwise or is it a requirement to have them?

You know what I mean? Like I feel like they're they're Yeah. I just never see anybody use them except for mothers who are need them that need a place to nurse. But they're heavily in demand in this building. In this building. Okay. Yeah. And actually Okay. I mean we're desk worker colleagues. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. But would firefighters use a wellness room and a quiet room? What's the difference between a wellness? That's another good question. Fitness room is a is a great question and and it is we are obviously not at the level where we have designed these spaces specifically. I'm not asking that. It's just more of like

understood. Yeah. the the the quiet room um the way it is currently configured as far as the space that's allocated for it really would is designed around this idea of being serving as a mother's room or lactation room as well as um a potential phone room or meeting room. It's a single point to be able to step up. So it's generally a one to two person sort of occupancy space. Uh the wellness room um is really so one of the things that we are seeing in fire station design across the country is a way to address mental health of firefighters is you have to recognize that there is a spectrum of how people experience and process trauma and you cannot provide one single solution or one single space to address that mental health issue. One of the ways you can do it is by providing a spectrum of spaces to address that spectrum. So it's sort of like a spectrum of an introvert to an extrovert. So if somebody processes their trauma best alone, we want to be able to provide safe spaces where they can do that, where they're not going to isolate. If people process best with one or two of their crew members, we want to provide space that they can do that. And then there's sort of the typical space what we call the house which is where the day room and the kitchen is. That's the major larger social space where a full crew can be together and process that trauma. So there's very intentionally kind of this gradient of spaces.

And so this design came from the input from your team of something they want. Yeah. You saw in uh briefly a photo of the steering committee. Uh so all the internal stakeholders we we in interviewed almost everyone and came up with like an 18,000 square foot building and then we have edited down to the essential needs. Yeah. All right. Cool. Answer my questions. Great. Yeah. Thank you. Good questions. Councelor Afghan.

Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'm trying to separate the contracting strategy, the design of the building with the bond that we're talking about, the budget. So, I'm keeping them separate. So, I'm going to just focus on the bond value and then leave the rest of it for later time. Okay.

Okay. If I remember correctly, when I went through the cost breakdowns, there was escalation in there, there was contingency in there, there was everything you can ever imagine. So this 2.6 20.6 million is the worstc case scenario. Correct. Correct. And if I remember correctly from our finance director that if our project ends up being do not panic 17 million we have some

avenues to remember what Sean told you is we'll probably sell the bond into increments. So we'll sell the bond up front so that we can do design and all the pre-work to bid it. And then once we've got a bid number, we would sell the rest of the bonds and we would only sell the bonds that we need to build the station. Awesome. Or you guys would say, "Oh, we also want to buy a new ladder truck." But but that would not be it would not be just sold and then have money sit there.

Understood. Thank you. based on the schedule that you put up, if you go back, I don't know if we're going to have enough information uh to be able to set that dollar value by the time we go out to bond even though it may be two bonds, but still a challenge. I can't see that right now. I'm okay with the number because this is budgetary number. I want to be clear, Mr. mayor that I'm okay with going forward with this dollar value because this is our budget that we're setting the budget but I'm not ready to say I'm okay with the contracting strategy with the compensation strategy and with the design of the facility because I think collectively we need to look at all of that to make sure we get the value out of our money.

Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Councelor Afkam. Councelor Woodland, couldn't agree more. We're brothers from another mother, but we're fiscally, I think, on the same page, and we've talked about that with you um several times. A couple slides you didn't show were the target value design slides. You want to? And so I've built houses before, not me, but I mean they've been built and you make when you make decisions, you go through and you go, gosh, I really here's the budget. And then you go, how about that? If we put the better windows in, it'll last longer, whatever. And and you just get the creep factor.

I'm looking at our target value design with the bullseye in the far far left sign. Um, and to me, for $20 million, I should be over on the freaking right side, in my opinion, um, of what we're going to spend. Uh, I mean, and I'm not saying to make it concrete and steel, but I would hope that the $20 million would not be at the um, lowest value. And I don't know if I'm making sense, but I'm I'm feeling like yes, we told you to make sure that we constrain costs, but I also know enough about costs that $20 million um is should be buying us at least towards the middle, I guess. And maybe you can clarify that for me. I mean, because I I think um I don't want to buy cheap stuff because you said it's going to last 50 years and we want to make sure that we last 50 years. Does that make sense?

Yes, it does. And we've really explored the risks in this project, allowing us to get the CMGC on on with the team right from the beginning. They were able to cost effectively cost the materials. We're looking at the size of the station which is still at about 14,500 square ft. Um we have the budget is based on actual materials the the roof materials the horizontal and vertical cladding. Uh I'm not using the right words, but um you are I am I am

uh so unfortunately I we we are we're looking we we want to be very budget conscious and we're looking at wood frame. We're looking at the um pre-engineered metal buildings and the mass plywood right now is is tracking more expensive than both of those. So um we haven't even made that decision yet. But those first three, those are those are where we're going to land somewhere in somewhere in there. And we're going to choose the most economical choice that's going to give us the most longevity for our project and and everyone's on board with that. That is our goal.

Okay, I'm good with that. And that's a great explanation. And I think material prices are going to go swing up and down and you never know until you finally get the bids. Um, and uh, my hope is that I've heard from the market, uh, commercial real estate or commercial projects are starting to slow down a little bit and they're getting hungrier. So, I'm just knocking on wood that we finally hit a public project at maybe a good time. Too bad it wasn't a hund00 million one, but um, uh,

but it's the same. I'm hoping that, um, we'll have aggressive pricing. But, uh, last thing, you guys are just doing a phenomenal job, um, on all of this, and I just really appreciate, uh, the communication with council, the, um, the way that you're framing the conversation with the community, you're spot on. Um, I think Chris with the whole, uh, support team that you have from, um, they've got the messaging. He um took up some time at the beginning of the meeting to explain strategies of us getting this um uh approved by the the shareholders of Lake Asiggo. Um and they are shareholders. I mean they're they've got their skin in the game. Um and it's a service that they value very highly. And so um I just think our fire department does a fabulous job. I'm I think the council is 100% um on board with um with this project and and I for one I would just want to say publicly we haven't approved this or anything like that but I do think we all need to be at the um as Chris asked for um some help um that we lend um ourselves if he needs us to go to these neighborhood meetings um work with community groups whatever we need to do as uh as counselors to get this thing uh passed because um we're the campaign advocates and we need to to do that. So, um good job. We're your partners and um it's super exciting especially when you put good concept designs. It gets everyone excited. So, thank you.

Yeah. Thank you.

Thanks, Councelor Windland. I agree. I mean it's it we haven't done a project like this where we have just a bond for one project and so it's a little tricky because you know we're trying to put a cost estimate together before we've really even designed the building beyond preliminary kind of conceptual um layout. Um but I think I agree with my colleagues. I mean we're expecting that once the bond um once we refer once the bond passes that we really tighten the screws on this project. And I mean, I don't want to take this number and think, oh, well, and then get, well, we certainly don't want to go the other direction. It's like, well, this I mean, expect that we're going to be using this great team we have here to really hone in on where we can get some savings. I mean, we're seeing at least on the public works projects. I mean, look at the one we had tonight. I mean, it's like 13 14 bids on these projects. So, we know that things are competitive and I don't want the fact that we've assembled this team to end up being a disservice to the community, you know. Um, so I think you've done a great job. The building is um critical for I worry that the firefighters at the other stations are going to have a little problem. I mean that the new favorite gym

well the police I mean they're down in the basement, you know, working out in that storage closet down there. They're not going to be happy about this at all. But no, it's going to be great. I'm sure they'll let everyone come and use it. Um, and uh I I I mean I know this is just conceptual, but the doors, you know, they're not garage doors. They're like, is that Are there no garage doors? Are they going to fake doors? They open faster doors and they're the most expensive doors you can buy. Yeah. Sorry. Go ahead. What you said? I said they're called nano doors and they're the most expensive doors you can buy. So there are some value engineering that could be done there.

Wow. But they're cool. We want to be cool. Well, they're more important. They're they're more important than cool. They're essential for the speed that they want to escape the station. Not only that, but if they fail, you can open them manually as opposed to our overhead doors that we are constantly fixing. And if it fails, that rig is stuck in there. Oh. So, councelor Win and that's a that's one of the concerns in the target value design that we're sizing up those essential things that are musthaves and those things that are maybe not as important, but overall we're looking at the budget every day with our partner to make sure that we get the most value for the money without going over 25 20.6 million.

And there is an American distributor of those doors now. So, they've come down in price quite a bit. Yes. Okay. So, uh, I know we're going to get the polling information, but I tell you the council would like the team to return on the 17th, the final. Um, then can you resolution? Can you just, uh, review the strategy? Then we come back for the 17th. Then we have to get everything in order for the ballot. That is the 17th. We're going to refer to the ballot on the 17th, right? Yes. Okay. Of March. Oh, no. No. Of February. Drop dead. Okay. But then we have the the voters pamphlet which is due the that'll be a different thing. Yeah. Yeah.

Right. But that's March 18th something. Okay. Yeah. So we've got like four weeks from then. But it's this thing has got to be really quick. Oh yeah. Quick one. Yeah. It's a quick one. Okay. Do you need a motion from us on uh just direction to come back? Can you give us that? Come back. Okay. Thank you. All right. Okay. Okay. So, now we're going to head over to the Now we're going to go with Miranda Everett from FM3 Research to present the polls. Do you want to use this one? It's better. Sure.

Oh, just keep going down.

Yeah, here we go. Here are my slides. Um, so I'm Miranda Everett. I'm a partner at FM3 Research. We're based in Portland um and do lots of work across the country on local finance measures like this one we're considering tonight. I'm here to present results of our most recent survey conducted January 5th through 13th of this year. Um just a brief note on our methodology. So uh this was conducted using our dual mode approach which is sort of the industry standard these days. Text message, cell phones, landlines, all the ways we know how to get a hold of folks. We have 417 likely May 2026 voters represented here and that is a random and representative sample of the community. So by age, party, race and ethnicity, gender, education, those kinds of key characteristics, it reflects the likely voter turnout in May. Um that gives us a margin of error of around 5% and you will see some tracking data uh going back to June 2025 when we first asked the community about this project. So, starting with some big picture context, um pollsters love to ask people, are things headed in the right direction or are they off on the wrong track? At the start of the survey, um folks in your community are quite happy. 65% say things are headed in the right direction. Just 18% say wrong track. I asked this question in communities across the country. Um it doesn't look this good almost anywhere right now, so you should pat yourselves on the back here. um folks are are fairly happy and that's even gone up a little bit since we asked the question in the summer. We turned uh pretty quickly to views of the potential ballot measure. Um you can see there in the pink box the uh language of the measure we provided to folks. So everybody either heard or read that says funding Southshore Fire Station upgrades to improve community safety. It's kind of written over there with the title, but that's the uh title of the the caption there. Um, this is the information that everyone will see

on their ballot or as close to it as as we would imagine uh being. Uh, we'd like to test that very early in the survey to establish sort of a baseline. Once people see that sort of super concise Oregon specific ballot measure language, what's their first uh reaction? And it's a very positive one. Um, in this community, 59% say they would vote yes. 29% said they would vote no. So, that's a 30 point margin in your favor. Um, and you will see as well that the definitely yes share is at 32% where whereas the definitely no share is at just 19%. So lots of um good news on this slide here. We wanted to compare this to what we looked at in June 2025 which you can see on the left hand side. Back then 54% said they would support the bond measure. Um now it's 59%. given the survey's margin of error, that's sort of a marginal difference, but you'll also note that definitely yes share has jumped up five points. Um, so we're trending in the right direction here uh in the community over the last several months. We also took a look at some key demographics here and you can see majority support across gender, age, and which fire station uh serves you. Um, in fact, the the differences among the different fire stations are not too pronounced statistically. there's a little more intense support among those Southshore served folks. Um, but this is something that's supported in every corner of the community. We then asked voters who said they would say uh vote yes on the measure why and then rolled those up into different categories. They were able to type something in or tell our interviewer in a few words of their own. Uh, for the most part, there were two rationes for people. One was to support firefighters and public safety. um kind of understanding that those are are deeply linked and then infrastructure improvements or uh facility upgrades. So people understanding the the kind of physical need um of the facility. On the other side of the coin, we asked the no voters why they would uh oppose

the measure. Uh for the most part, they said too many taxes. 39% offered that as their rationale. Um and that is very consistent with what we're seeing in a lot of measures across the country. That is the number one reason people are opposed to a measure right now is just feeling burdened. 26% say that the station is already adequate. Uh 16% believe it's uh too expensive which is also kind of overlaps with too many taxes. So next we gave people a brief ballot summary. Um this got into the details a little bit more. Talked about the tax force proposing a new station instead of a remodel. um and a little bit about why. Uh talked about the seismic standards and upgraded safety protections, keeping response times low. Um and then also and very importantly informing people about the cost to them at the household level. That's 19 cents per $1,000. With this information, we nudge support above three and five. So we were at 59% initially. We're at 62% after that. Um statistically no difference there, but it definitely feels better. Um and the definitely yes there is a huge difference there um a 9-point gain with that information which is uh definitely a great sign. So next we wanted to provide some additional information both to understand what voters priorities are for the measure um what they want to see in the station what's um the most important things to stress as we talk about it in the community and also take a look at some of theformational themes to see what's really resonating out in the community. So, first you'll see uh top priorities for measure funding. There's a little bit of an overlap there. So, the first one says helping keep fire and emergency medical response times low. That is the outcome that folks really value the most um for the bond measure u perhaps unsurprisingly. And then the one just behind that extremely or very important to 81% of your voters is maintaining

consistent rapid response times for fire and emergency medical calls. So that outcome of of good response times is really really key. Um you can also see just behind that important 76% of your voters is providing upgraded safety protections to firefighters. So again that theme of the people kind of working for us and making sure that they're well taken care of that was um discussed earlier. And just behind that you can see a more specific way of talking about that improving decontamination areas to help reduce our firefighters exposure to cancer-causing materials. Um the one that is sort of the broadest is bringing the Southshore fire station up to essential facility seismic standards um or rebuilding crew quarters to current earthquake safety standards. Either way we talk about that um that's also compelling to more than three and five. And majorities also value uh hosting the housing the new truck for brush um brush fires, modernizing the station and building the new station. Um and then marine rescue capabilities is a little bit lower down on the tier list.

That's lake people.

So next we wanted to look at the patterns of support as we add more information. The the first two uh lines you've already seen 59% yes to 29% no based on just the title and caption. 62% to 30% after we provide some ballot measure summary information. Pretty straightforward and includes that household amount. After positive messages, we were at a pretty high level and we stay at a high level. 63% yes to 29% no. And really notably here is even after some negative messages, we're still above three and five support at 61% yes, 31% no. 2 to1 margin even after we kind of beat ourselves up a bit. So what is the positive information about the measure that we shared? Um you can see those messages uh or pieces of information on this slide here. um our sort of rule of thumb is uh something that is seen as very convincing. That number running down the lefth hand side uh to 40% or more is something that's highly persuasive to voters overall. And this will look really familiar to what we saw on the importance battery slide just a moment ago. Um talking about response times is really resonating. 48% say that's a very convincing reason to vote yes. 41% say the same of talking about seismic standards and 41% say the same of the decontamination areas. These are very short, very to the point messages. Um, and they're uh highly effective for the most part. Now, here's the negative information we tested and I feel like we didn't hold back. Um, cost of living being uh the top message here. Um, behind that, the idea that we should just repair the station instead. Um and then ones about the broader economy, the fact that maybe we don't need four stations um that that may be band-aid about and then the idea that this would that the bond is sort of the wrong way to to do this. And as mentioned before and as we showed you before, this really didn't change the over overall level of support, we were still at 61%. Yes. So even as people

told us this is at least somewhat convincing to them, it really didn't change their opinion of the measure. So that takes me to conclusions. Um, we feel a bond measure to build the new South Southshore Fire Station. Do you all have trouble saying that? Um, to improve community safety is viable in May 2026 with the support of anformational effort like the one that's going on in your community right now. A broad majority supports the bond measure based on ballot measure language alone. Pretty strong position to start. And that yes vote share increases to three and five after voters hear the ballot summary, including that sort of household amount piece. And that definitely at yes share also improves which is which is super helpful. Uh we do see the cost of living as voters's key concern that came up in the open-ended responses as well as in the negative messaging but it doesn't change the overall vote dynamic. So even as people are concerned about cost of living um their concerns about emergency response times and keeping firefighters safe and healthy um outweigh that. Uh the things that that people value the most in terms offormational themes have to do with supporting emergency response times, upgrading the station for seismic safety, and ensuring firefighters have decontamination areas to reduce exposure to cancer-causing materials to get really specific about their health and safety. So that's a lot of information. Happy to take questions.

Thank you so much. Okay, any questions for Miranda? No, it's great. I mean, it's real positive to see those results. I mean, even with a a project that we would expect to be widely supported, like a fire station, I mean, there are other public safety projects that do not have this level of support. Um, so I'm glad that it's gives us and and it's great information. I saw Chris taking good notes back there. It's great information. Can I ask one question? Oh, yes. Yeah. uh the um people who responded to the survey on I noticed that there was from Democrat, independent and Republican was is that reflective of the Lake Asiggo demographic or is it leaning?

It's reflective of the May turnout and we make some assumptions there based on what turnout has been in the past. Um typically it's rather low compared to November elections. Um but we we did weight the data a little bit to make sure that it matched what we expect turned out to be in May. Okay, good. I just want to make sure that we didn't have Yeah. question. Okay. Thanks. I was going to ask but your sample was it a sample that you use for any kind of survey of this kind? Um in this case we looked specifically at May since that's when you all are are are aiming for. some of my other clients want to look at November or even the presidential or all voters. So in this case we were you know very focused on on your goal

and what what is the like I see the margin of errors and everything but once you have this result of these samples how likely is it that it sticks when the elections come like maybe with seven like five or so pollsters like to say that our our our data are a snapshot in time. So this is how folks are feeling in January of 2026. A lot could change as we found in 2020 between you know now and May. Um but typically our results are fairly predictive and and we've seen that recently in the region like like if there is a fire a month before the election it will pass.

Sure. A local local events national events there can be Yeah. Just saying. theoretically. Yeah, of course. Not part of the strategy. Yeah, that's not part of the strategy. Thank you. Thank you very much. This great great information. We appreciate your work, uh, Chief. Thank you very much for the great presentation as well. All the good updates. Thank you. Okay, forward here. It's great. I endorsed it.

You got my vote. Next, I'm going to invite um moving on to item 9.2. I'm going to invite our adult community center manager, Maria Bigalow, and administrative assistant, Pamela Mononttoya, to come forward and talk about the Asiggo Pioneer Cemetery transition. Good evening to you both.

Good evening. Thank you, mayor, and members of the council. I'm Maria Bigalow, manager of the adult community center, and with me is Pam Mononttoya, the administrative assistant of the adult community center. And we have what we think is promising to be a quick presentation um about the Pioneer Cemetery.

I know it is. They had great slides. Um, a year ago or so, we came to council directed staff to do more research on the Ofico Pioneer Cemetery Board's request for the city to take over ownership and operation of the cemetery. So, we did some research and just for reference for those of you who may not be familiar, which I'd be really surprised, um, this is the sign you'd see from Stafford. This is the property we're talking about. And for those who don't know, it's a triangle and it borders our golf course. It borders the Lorac, Stafford Road, and the Sacred Heart Cemetery. That is the triangle we're going to speak of.

And we're just you guys in your packet had some of the research that we had conducted. And then we're just going to go over some pros and cons and then ask for direction if you guys would like us to cons continue with the process of the next step in this process. Some pros that we came up with would be that the property would serve as another city-owned property where we could honor our veterans in addition to our veterans memorial because we do have a fair amount of veterans buried at that cemetery and also a spot to honor our founding members. city founding city members. It's also an opportunity to continue relationships with community groups such as the scouts, the garden clubs, and even the property neighbor, the Sacred Heart Cemetery, among other community members. There's a house on the property, and the house could serve as a great place to conduct cemetery business and a potential home for our park rangers. And then on to the cons. Um the cemetery does not run in a deficit at this time and their balance sheet of 2024 their total liabilities and equity was $550,000. So and like Nancy commented earlier, they are an endowment and so some of those funds could help fund or bridge the gap of the deficit that would run under city ownership. Um, and the reason it would run under city ownership as a deficit is that we would have staff we'd have to pay for and then contract landscapers, either staff or landscapers to maintain the land. And that is a cost that they don't incur right now. So that would run as a a and the deficit would only grow. the um we didn't do the research to compare the numbers of how many burials there were from year to year to year to see a trend

because the years prior to 2024 were skewed because of COVID. There was a lot of people who weren't doing great services at the time and they were holding off until like 2023. So there was probably a rush of that. We just didn't think that was a fair number to compare. At the end of right about now, we could get the 2025 numbers and have a better comparison. But nationally there is a definite trend of people not purchasing full body burials and purchasing ash which are less revenue or not purchasing at all and they just scatter to the wind. So again there will be less revenue probably in the in the coming years with growing costs. Um and there will be additional staff that would be needed I think to conduct cemetery business. We might need to invest in a software program. Right now, their recordkeeping is an Excel spreadsheet, some paperwork, and a map, a cemetery map of the plot locations. Um, Pam and I did a very extensive um project on trying to crossverify all of those documents to make sure that everything lined up and everything said what they were said where they were supposed to be said or where they were supposed to be. We found a lot of discrepancies. Yes. Um, but the cemetery is 145 years old this year, so discrepancies are kind of expected. There's been a lot of um changes of hands and 145 years ago, the records were not kept in Excel spreadsheet. So, lots of lots of opportunity for discrepancies. So, we kind of think that's kind of how most cemeteries are, but we couldn't confirm that. um the city would be assuming all current sales um their the sales but unoccupied plots and according to the Excel spreadsheet there's about 1,200 plots that have been sold but are not

occupied at this time and so we would be assuming that liability if you want to consider it a liability and the other con was just the cost of upgrades on the properties equipment and house and that conduct or that concludes our presentation. If you guys have any questions before you and our next anticipated step unless you guys say otherwise is to seek outside counsel for the title and property.

Yes. And I'm sorry I haven't connected with you before, but I do agree that I think we need to connect and do some due diligence on kind of the transactional steps and the real property rights and the title issues. So I think um if council would like to proceed, that would be my suggestion for next steps is to have the city attorney's office work with staff, identify the issues for due diligence, and come back to council for direction. Okay. Helpful. Yes. council.

No, I just wanted to say that uh a site of 144 years in our community there and the folks who were taking care of it. You see what they said. I think for me honestly there is no choice. The city has to take this and there are two thing you don't take it when it goes bad. It's the city that's going to have to go take care of it because if an abandoned cemetery is a problem, a health problem and a moral problem, ethical problem, you know, the the living are wonderful, but the dead are also to be honored. And if no one want to take this thing, the city has the obligation, moral obligation to take this. Maybe we got to make it better. That's you know.

Okay. So everyone think that's a good plan proceeding with uh kind of some legal work a legal analysis of the site. So what would be the endowment number that would come to us between cash and that's um according to the balance sheet of 2024 the total liabilities and equity was 550,000 and the balance u I believe Nancy referred to in the endowment was 123,000. So well wait when so okay you're from an accounting standpoint when you say equity and liabilities what's the um

how much cash do we have? Um the amount of current cash total with with the endowment and total checking and savings is 368,000. Okay. Okay. Perfect. So that's really my So if we put that into a endowment, I mean, it would start to offset and then people still contribute to the Oregon Pioneer Cemetery. So we could we could even do a fundraiser. I mean, if the friends of the Pioneer Cemetery want to do that and raise some additional money to get the endowment up, things like that. So,

and according to my research with the Oregon Mortuary and Cemetery Board, um because it is an endowment, it has to remain as an endowment, correct? Cemetery, right? We wouldn't touch that. Yeah. So,

well, it does seem like too that um you know, not that I mean, obviously there's a reason why the pioneer folks have done a great job and um been great stewards of this area, the the cemetery, but you know, I mean, I I don't know how much marketing they're doing of the I mean, it's the only cemetery unless you want to get, you know, unless you're affiliated with Sacred Heart, you know, in the church to get buried in Lake Augo. So, I would think the demand I mean they sold 20 only, well, 32 between ash and full plots. I mean, I think we can sell some plots and we have put in a hell. I mean, we can market this cemetery. Yeah, we can sell. This could be a marketing opportunity. 2,000 plots.

So, I would recommend, however, that you might when you first take it over actually put a moratorium on on new sales until we actually get the records issue reconciled. Yes. Having run cemeteries in my past career, I will say the worst thing that you can do is is sell a plot that's already occupied to a grieving family. It's sort of the worst disaster you could or find out that you've got. I don't know if you read the article. There was an article in the paper a couple weeks ago about a family that was trying to bury us child and found somebody already in the grave. And it's not so good when that happens. So, I I I agree that there are definitely vacant plots and opportunities to expand the business activity up there, but we might want to get get our ducks in a row first around it. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Uncover the skeletons and such. Yeah. lot of nice. No, it never ends when we start talking about the SE. I know that would be the best part.

The puns. We we're in it for the puns. But definitely I think as we go into the legal analysis, I mean, we'll want to we got to make sure that Pioneer is ready to fully like unwind their operation as a city running it is going to be much different than community group um operating it um you know from all from just legal and operational perspective. And so we just have to make sure that they're out of place. I mean, it sounds like they're they're ready, you know, but just to make sure that all those those ducks are in a row and then the city taking it will just be a wholesale different way of operating it than than the Pioneer Cemetery, you know. So, and I'm sure as part of the analysis, we can make sure that they will be in fact ready for that kind of a transition and they've taken the steps they need to um if we're looking at the first of, you know, January of next year.

Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, thank thank you so much for bringing it. Well, thank you. We'll work with um the attorney's office in the next few days to get the ball rolling. Thank you. Great. Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay. All right. Information from council council Coran.

So, um councelor Afan and I attended the Lake OGO Tiger Water Partnership meeting last week and I'll keep it brief. Um they're a great team. They had to deal with flows that were nine times normal in this last um atmospheric river. The cubic feet per second went from 3,000 cubic feet per second to 27,000 if you can imagine. I know it's a jaw drop. And unfortunately, one of the screens was damaged. There are three screens that sit usually sit down at the intakes, but it was so crazy one of them popped up. And this team is so great. They figured out how to get it fixed for $30,000 and they are running under budget.

Wow. So kudos kudos to our to our water plant. They're really pretty outstanding. That's great. Thank you very much for sharing that. Yeah, councelor African.

Uh councelor Mabu and I attended a financial audit. Uh the great news is that uh there are no findings and the uh terminology for that is unmodified report. That means it's a clean report. Uh there's also a uh Oregon state regulation audit. No findings there. As well as there's a compliance audit because we get federal funings and no findings there. So all in all, the finance department is doing an amazing job and the staff of the city are following the process and procedures. That's great.

Thank you for that update, councelor Afghan. else. No,

I have um the Well, a couple things. First, the um uh Oregon legislature went into session on yesterday, Monday. Um I'm sure that we're tracking what they're doing. There are some things that we'll be interested in. The mayors are going down um on Thursday, so be down there lobbying the various things. Um the uh what was the other thing I was going to say? We had a uh we had a great meeting here. Councilwoman was there on Friday with folks from the chamber and we got to kind of update them on all things happening in the city. That was a great event and thanks to uh um the city team for facilitating that as well in the in the chamber. Um

Mayor Buck did an exceptional job. I have to say they prepared me very well. Well, yeah, but it it went extremely well and people were you can tell he he talked for 30 minutes and everyone was still at the edge of their she seats. So, that's a good sign. It was good. So, it was good.

Yeah, it's always it's uh good to have a lot of people we don't normally uh interact with and uh people love coming here to city hall. So, it's great. Uh councelor Boop and I attended the youth leadership council uh meeting uh the other night. one of our community members was there speaking to the kids about artificial intelligence which is kind of a topic they've taken up this year. Um and then uh at the regional level um you know there's been a uh there's a we've talked a lot in the past couple years about supportive housing services. Um Metro has now kind of overhauled the the oversight or they are in the process of uh doing that. Um there will be one county and one city representative from each of the three counties within a separate seat uh for for for Portland uh itself and um it looks like commissioner uh West and I will be representing Clackamus County on that oversight board. Um it hasn't started meeting yet. I think we'll start meeting in this in this uh spring. They're really focused on, you know, key performance indicators, kind of uh updating a regional key performance indicator, setting new goals, um and um and and then a whole new oversight body that replaces the kind of two they have two different bodies right now. So, this will this will take its place. Um and then Metro talked to us at EMPAC also about the um kind of the work they're doing in regards to economic development and the UGB. There's kind of a I don't know, it's maybe it's a little controversial. There's a bill in the legislature looking to take um some land that's in the um rural reserves out. It's about 1,600 acres out in Washington County generating a lot of uh discussion. Um Hillsboro is looking to uh expand both I think some housing but really more so for industrial uh industrial land out in that area. Um so you know there's some thoughts on that. Um and then Metro just talked about its role. you know, it runs a lot of the

visitor venue v venues downtown, the convention center, the expo center, looking to overhaul into kind of a sports facility. Um, which is kind of cool. Um, but just the the general um, you know, the state and our representative Daniel Win, you know, he has some economic development proposals more statewide that he's pursuing this session as well. Um, so there's a general interest in helping improve the kind of economic conditions around um around the region and and Metro's looking to play a role in that more like specifically too with the just like the kind of some of the data around it like land availability um and and whatnot. So anyway, won't go into that too much. It's my update. Um just quick uh the the chamber awards uh annual chamber awards uh February 25th at 5:30

doors open. So it would be nice if all of us could be there to um uh there's quite a few awards that are being given out to different people and it's it's the big time of the u of the year for the chamber to recognize people in the community. So, thank you. Let's make sure. So,

I uh I forgot one of the thing we um we have I should have mentioned it during the fire station, but we have submitted um a request. It's being sponsored by Representative Wyn um for state funding um appropriations for the fire station. Yeah, we asked for four and a half million. I think four four and a half million. So, see if that's um if that comes through and say I can't remember what it was. Doesn't matter then.

I have just one thing which is that the homework that you guys usually do for goal setting will come out from the city manager's office later this week and you'll have like a week to turn around. Good news is you got like four goals last year done actually done crossed off. So you could probably probably have a little room this year. Good. It's good.

We're little goals. Um trying to think if I thought. Oh. Oh, and then I think you all aware we do have TRAT scheduled to come to a future I believe. Well, Matt's not here. Yeah, I forget. But they finally got back to her after ignoring us for a while. And you know, but they are cutting, you know, they're going through a process. Um and um they have some some cuts to uh services. I know line 37 is being impacted. The big impact is a lot of folks rely on that lift service and lift you know is the more the doortodoor service and that only um it only functions within a certain distance of lines. So when they cut the lines then it also cuts the lift. So the impacts are great. And so I think one of the things we'll probably be talking about at goal setting are some things perhaps we can do um convening with some of our neighboring cities who are going through the same thing and wondering how can we we pay a lot of money into trime and we just continue to get less for it um and it's uh becoming difficult to meet the needs of the residents with what we're getting. So looking for alternatives there on

Thank you everyone. Okay. Um, we are now going to go into executive session and I'll ask Miss Tatonian to please read the statutory basis for this executive session.

The Lake Oiggo City Council will now meet in executive session under RS 192.660 sub 2 subb to consider the dismissal or disciplining of or to hear complaints or charges brought against a public officer, employee, staff member, or individual agent who does not request an open hearing in subsection F to consider information or records that are exempt by law from public inspection. Representatives of the MU news media and designated staff shall be allowed to attend the executive session. All other members of the audience are asked to leave the room. Representatives of the news media are specifically directed not to report on any of the deliberations during the executive session except except to state the general subject of the session as previously announced. No final decisions will be made in executive session and at the end of the executive session, we will adjourn the meeting.

Okay. Thank you, Mr. Twain. All right. This will uh conclude the broadcast portion of the city council meeting. We are going to uh recess and we'll reconvene in the side