City Council - Regular Meeting

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Here please stand for the pledge.

Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the stands. One nation under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all. All right, getting started on public comment. Is there anyone from the public that would like to make a public comment that's for items not on the agenda this evening? Okay, moving on. Conceptual presentation by ADL and Ryan Holmes. Sir, if you could please step up to the podium and uh the floor is all yours. If you could hit that center button there for the mic, make you work for it here. There you go. Thank you.

Perfect. Okay. My name is Andrew Tegan with ADL and Associates. Uh we are a contract purchaser of the 78 acre parcel that is directly across the street from the Oaks unit one and unit 2 that is on Veterans Parkway uh west side of Burville Road. Uh we are currently uh developing the remaining portion of Oaks at unit 2. So about six months ago, I was here talking with you guys about the 66 remaining lots that are the unit two lots. Um those are obviously well underway right now. Um most infrastructure is is basically finished there. Hopefully be paving sometime in the next few weeks on the unit 2 project. Uh the model house, excuse me, is 80% of the way done. Should be open here with they think by early June. Everything's gone very well with that whole process. Um, and I guess before we jump into the parcel lacrosse, if anybody had any comments or questions about anything going on with unit 2, that would be uh good feedback or good information for our whole team that um if anybody had any questions obviously, but and if anything comes up, please just jump in. Um, also as part of what we're doing with unit 2 and the development agreement is the work on Barville Road with the turn lane, um, you may have noticed that the, uh, poles have been relocated. So, there's five new Comemed poles that are installed now along the west side of Barville Road. So, they're actually a little bit ahead of schedule, which is great. Um, Comcast goes next with moving their facilities. AT&T goes last. Um, so once all the dry utilities are out of the way, then we'll be able to get out there and do the construction of actually uh

creating the new turn lanes that are uh designed on Burville. So that's all happening also in the background as part of our unit 2 completion work. Um, all right. Uh, again, I'll jump into the parcel across the street. So, this used to be all one large project at one time. Not sure if anybody was able to get through all the all the notes here, but we tried to get some of the the highlights out in the notes that at one time there was a unit one, two, three, and four. The parcel that's that's currently being discussed here as a concept plan was unit three and unit four of the original oaks at Irish Prairie back in 2005. um those basically bumped out of the annexation agreement once the 20 years expired. So those are still annexed into the into the city but all of the information that was part of the original annexation agreement no longer is valid for those parcels. Um so we know we have to go back through and and and present you know again concept preliminary final going through platting engineering all the various studies that have to go with this. Uh this is great that this city has a concept plan process. This is really handy to get feedback on the front end here. Uh some towns don't allow this and you go spend a lot of money and don't really have any feedback until you're a couple hundred thousand into a project. So this again we appreciate that this is available to us to get some information into your hands, get some ideas and hopefully get some feedback that are we on the right track, are we not? you know, those type of things. All right. So, the 78 acre parcel has a a concept plan that is part of it, which is on the screen.

Okay. So, kind of highlights here. Um, working with Ryan Holmes on this one. Uh, that's the builder on the unit two lots with us. Um the thought here is to just bring them across the street if this all can work together here and have a combination of town homes and more single family lots on the project across the street. And because it again it expired with the annexation agreement, this will be a new project. It'll be a new a new name to it. A new HOA will be formed. It will not be part of Oaks for anything. It'll be again a separate a separate new project. Um 161 single family lots are currently being proposed. 201 front-loaded town homes. Total of 362 between the two single family and town homes. Uh four dedicated park sites. Detention basin in the far northeast corner. Landscape buffers um along the perimeter basically the property there. Again, this is a farm property. There's not very much uh on this part. It's a flat farm field, but there are some trees along the perimeter site. So, those are all being preserved along the exterior of the site. Um the bike path extension would occur then from Dulan out to Barville as part of the project here. Um the builder feels that uh the 2027 to 2031 window would be kind of how they view the the sales of this occurring that in essence they would be winding down at the unit 2 project. They they would hope to have some town homes happening as a kind of an intermediate step and as those are happening they'd be winding out of the unit 2 and then open up additional single family lots across the street at this project here.

Okay. Uh originally this had the um integrated district uh design component to it which now is more the the PUD framework. We understand we go through the PUD process. Uh provides a needed housing variety uh affordable single family and town homes. Um let's see just trying to hit some of the highlights here on our talking points. Our page two included a impact in connection fee schedule that there would not be any reduction you know asked or or requested whatsoever on the project. Um so again it gives a breakdown piece by piece by piece of the various districts totaling up to 5.46 million when you look at everything combined across all the various taxing bodies if approved as contemplated. Um, a lot of infrastructure is in place based on what happened back in the ' 05 to 2010 era. So, as Veterans Parkway was constructed, the three access points into the northern parcel were all constructed. All the stub lines, sewer, water, and whatnot were stubbed across the street at those exact locations. Uh the detention pond that is just south of the unit one area was designed with the intent that what what would be called the unit 3 portion the south west portion. All of that has already been designed into the storm water facility. Uh there's a 48 inch pipe already that's stubbed to take the storm water from that portion down into the detention pond. Um, I think that's some of the major highlights on that.

Um, part of the packet then was we have from the Ryan team. If anybody had a chance to get through, they had a packet here of the various different products they had in mind. Single family homes would be very similar to unit 2. availability of seven different floor plans, two ranch plans, five two-story plans. All homes are expected to have full basement, but a combination of slab lots may be included. Base pricing anticipated to be from the upper 300s to the mid 400s. Again, then there's imagery of what those seven look like and the floor plans. town homes. The attached product that's being proposed is a 1500 square foot, three-bedroom, two and a half bath, onecar garage, full basement product. There's some imagery of that also. That particular exact item called the Pine is right now being developed at a project of theirs at Vista Ridge in Planefield. Um, so if you happen to get to their website or want to take a 78 mile drive, you can go down to Planefield and they've got this the photos that are here are are from that model that is in the Vista Ridge project and it's something that they've done in some other markets. They tried it at that market and it's gone really well. They uh they've gotten great feedback on it. It's selling much faster than they I think initially thought it would do. That the full basement's a little bit unusual for an attached product in our market. Um so they wanted to try that and um so the full basement has done well that people have found that to be something different and that uh that has helped the sales pace. Um and it allows them to keep that affordable pricing to at least to get into the low uh 300s upper 200s. You know that was important for them to have that diversification

um of the two products. Okay. So that's the current thought on the product lineup. Okay. Um so kind of the major highlights again uh just trying to leverage a lot of the existing infrastructure that we already have in place and certain things that are happening as part of our unit 2 development agreement. Um kind of completes this segment um that was at one point in time thought to have happened you know much you know 20 years ago. So it basically completes out to Bearville Road that one segment. Um substantial impact and connection fees. EAV on the property certainly as a egg parcel EAV is quite low. EAV right now is 48,553 and would increase to approximately $42 million which would result in annual taxes from this property going from approximately $3,700 per year to $3.5 million per year. Um, so that's uh kind of again the highlights and trying to get feedback from from the council here, from staff, from anybody that uh would like to give us feedback that we again we uh we are on the clock so to speak with our with our contract with our land owner and uh they're they're well aware that you know we're going through various steps of due diligence and whatnot. And a key step for us is to see if our our land plan concepts uh make sense before we get off the cliff and have spent uh a lot of money and and we don't want to waste your time. You obviously we respect you know you guys time is is valuable. So um again looking for any feedback.

Awesome. Thank you very much. I open up for council for discussion uh at this time. Alden Benny, go ahead. Hi, and thank you for bringing this forward. It seems to make sense to me, but I have um a couple questions for you about the town home section. There's three bedrooms, but only a single car garage and what looks like a fairly small driveway and no guest parking that I saw in the plan. Anyways, that just makes me think that that may be challenging. Um well, challenging cuz I'm afraid there'll be a lot of parking on the streets, which, you know, may not be allowed and it may be difficult to navigate the driveway. So, I'm just curious if there's a plan for more guest parking or how you're going to m manage that.

That's a great question. Yeah. So, that this is that's part of that um this product being a little bit different with having the full basement and for them to do the full basement. The trade-off is to go to the onecar garage that they are finding that it actually works in other markets and has worked so far, you know, in a small sample size and allows for them to drive the price down. again, that that was the the intent here is how do we find a way to get something that's under 300 here. Um, and that this particular product is is the one thing that they they have that can do that. Um, but certainly that's that's a great question. So, we have to we have to think about how do we how do we mitigate any issues with uh with parking?

Any other questions, comments by council? Alman GL, go ahead. Yeah. Uh, considering when this uh entire subdivision had been approved originally, it was supposed to be all single family homes over here. We have multif family that was built further to the west. Uh, I'm not really too thrilled with the idea that we're talking about town homes over here. Uh, the density is definitely too too tight. You're looking at uh what is it? 60 foot uh frontage, you know, of the lots.

You're not building starter homes, you know, small small ranches or anything else. So, what are we going to have? Are we going to have a neighbor take and open up his window and hand his neighbor next door a cup of coffee? I mean, they're going to be on top of each other that way. Um, sorry, I didn't mean to stick my head,

but um, yeah, definitely I think those those lots need to be reconfigured uh to give a little bit more space widthwise. Uh, to be honest with you, all the backyards back up to all the major roads, yet the town homes are further back in. I mean, so the single family homes are going to get more of the brunt of the of the traffic noise and everything else. Uh, for one thing, uh, the more dense, the more I worry about our infrastructure as far as roadways there. Uh when this whole thing was introduced years back, I wanted to see a four-lane road over there and council decided they wanted a two-lane road and uh you know, even with a traffic light there, I think uh with this buildout, uh we could we could see a lot more congestion uh down uh Veterans Parkway. Uh I don't know how many people would actually want to go down Green Street depending on which direction they're going. If they're going north, maybe they'll take uh Baravville, the green. Uh but if they're going south, uh they're all going to go out to 31. Um as far as the parks go, I don't like seeing private parks because you're going to have these homeowners take and maintain those parks. Uh you're jacking up their association dues. Uh, and what are you going to do? Who's going to monitor? Who's going to police them? I mean, are you going to kick out, uh, the public if they're three blocks down and they decide they want to use a park, you know, and the amount of parks that you have over in that subdivision, uh, I think are at least, uh, two two more than what's needed.

Uh, and like I say, I think to some extent, uh, I don't know how the rest of the council feels, but if anything, uh, I'd want to see public parks there. I wouldn't want to see, uh, private parks. You know, the thing is is you're looking at uh, you're not looking at, again, starter homes, you know, low low priced homes. I mean, you're looking at $400,000 in a, you know, ballpark. You're looking at large mortgages. you're looking at uh high uh property taxes and then you're you're you're dumping on a an HOA uh and I'm not sure what the the other HOA is paying in as far as dues. All I know is is uh uh over by me northbox just keeps going up every year, every year, every year. And there's more expenses as as prices go up everywhere. uh you know maintenance uh for the the properties also go up and I think uh that needs to be addressed and as long as we're talking about HOAs have you looked at covenants of these properties uh you know I don't know if the other developer had taken in possibly uh had tied these to the HOA as far as covenants there might be some some documents out there that that states basically that they have to belong to that HOA

they I'm sorry. They legally cannot. That's uh it's 10-year period. You can add to an HOA within a 10-year period of the establishment of that HOA, but after that, you cannot. You can no longer you have to establish a new HOA. On covenants of property, I think you can't. No, you cannot through it before. I think I think that should be explored because that could be an issue. Uh again, I've never heard that one before. I've heard as far as annexation agreements and all that, but as far as HOAs, uh, if if you put a something on covenants on a piece of property, unless you remove them, that stays with the property. They did it.

Otherwise, we we we see the old McDonald's uh reconverted already, you know, simple and easy. We've gone through this before.

Yeah. Uh, anyway, again, the density is way too too heavy to me. I don't think our roadways can can handle that. Uh, you know, as far as the amount of traffic that that's going to bring, uh, I agree with all of them bania as far as the fact that, uh, we need to see more u parking for these town homes as far as collectively that where they've got guest parking and everything else. Otherwise, everybody's all over the streets. Um, I just think it's it's too tight and I'll leave it at that. Thank you, Aldo Bassie.

Um, I want to expand a little on conservation residential development. Monty, could you please display the future land use map? Okay, thank you. Um, the future land use designated for this land is conservation residential development, which I did confirm with Ross this afternoon. Um, thank you. Could you now please display the comprehensive plan image? Sorry. Nope, you're good.

Yes. This image in the comprehensive plan shows what conservation residential development should look like. Per the con per the comprehensive plan conservation residential development should quote promote conservation of nature of natural land and ecological restoration end quote and include a new open space trails and open space to preserve the rural small town um character end quote. Thank you Monty. Um, could you now please display the developers concept? This concept plan is too dense, does not preserve natural features, and does not preserve open space. And my final Monty, could you please display the agenda supplement for the solar farm? Thank you. um at the last city council meeting on April 20th in reference to the discussion item of the proposed solar farm on the land that also has the future land use designation of conservation residential development. The city staff analysis stated quote and thank you Monty for highlighting that the vision 2050 comprehensive plan designates the subject property for the conservation residential development which is intended to support low density residential growth while preserving natural features and open space. End quote. So, I'm going to just jump ahead and say that I do not support this development because it is inconsistent

with the city's future land use plan. Within this presentation, material um is also requesting for the staff for a staff memo confirming the concept plan is consistent with the vision 2050 comprehensive plan. the criteria for the conservation residential development does not change based on the city's um developer preferences. So my question is Ross, is this concept plan consistent with conservation residential development? I can absolutely answer that and I would I would say yes it is because conservation is is intended to preserve uh existing natural uh green areas and on this site there is nothing but farmland. So we would be preserving soybean fields and corn stalks. Um the example that you had up there on that you had Monty put up shows the property that's behind bus Ford. There is a vast amount of wetlands that is on that property and that's why that was drawn that way is because it was preserving the existing wetlands that are there.

Okay. ADL has proposed to um preserve the tree lines on the existing property that they're talking about now. But there is no wetland. It's all farmland. There's no there's nothing to preserve. And that's what that that conservation uh zoning is for is to prever preserve existing natural areas and there's nothing out there. So, I would say that it is consistent with the 2050 plan. Okay. Then how does this support low density residential development? We've just had two council members tell us both that they thought it was too dense. Well, I mean that's that I mean that's what you guys are there for. I that's your opinions. If you think it's too dense, it's too dense. I mean it's okay. I mean

I apologize. Ward one did not say too dense. Just um townhouse driveways. So, we have another person that was concerned about uh the density. Okay. Thank you. Alderman Miller.

Thank you. Um thank you for your concept. Uh I support your concept with the exception of the onecar garages. Uh I'm in the real estate industry myself. I think a onecar garage is obsolete for any marketplace. Especially to Alderwoman Bainy's point. If you have three bedrooms, you are likely to have two drivers. Um, I have I live in a 1950s subdivision that has onecar garages. I watch my neighbors struggle with shifting cars all day long. Uh, especially with the new insertion of electric vehicles. Somebody's got to be in the garage to get plugged in. So, we're constantly moving. Um, I believe the trend in housing is what you're proposing on smaller lots. people want to do less with their lots. Um, we do have 60 by 135 lots within the city already. Uh, if we look to our east and we look at Lakemore, most of their old development is 60 by 100 or 50 by 100 and those are still desirable in the in the community. Um, so I'm not opposed to the layout. I am opposed to the onecar garages because I don't think they support the market what the market demands right now but your offerings for you know the single families I wish you had some threecar options and a 60oot lot makes that tough um because I think people have too much stuff and they like to have all that storage space particularly when we start talking about most of these should be suitable for a basement some will not and that's you know welcome to Mcomeary County lands some will not have basement um but overall I don't think it's a bad plan so thank you for bringing it I think it needs to be tweaked

Davis I'll let you finish your notes okay all right so I am right across the street from your develop that you're doing right now. So, I'm right next to the park, so I see you guys every day. Uh, I I do want to make a comment that I appreciate you guys cleaning up the streets every day. You guys make an effort to do that. So, much appreciated. You guys have done a good job keeping things clean, keeping the streets clean. So,

I can't say as much for previous developers, but um you guys are doing a good job there. So, I appreciate that. Um, for this development, I I do also think it's a little dense. My concern is I live in this neighborhood and it's hard to get in and out, especially on 31. With 31 expansion coming, they're redoing Barville. It's going to be a nightmare to get in and out of there. Um, and it's also a cross through from 31 to Barville. People go both ways. Um, I am not opposed to it. I think uh it could be improved by making a little more little less dense than you guys have for the plan. Uh I do have concerns on the back lots like uh 110, 115, 120 and so going against that commercial. I know there's the tree line and I appreciate that you guys are preserving the tree line out there around this neighborhood. So that will allow some of that shelter, you know, for these residential homes. But there's still a lot of noise that comes out of that commercial area. I hear it from my house um which is a lot farther away than these will be. So that's that's one of those concerns and there are some other developments that are um being discussed to go in that commercial area. So that would be another concern on that. Um but let me see the big thing is really the traffic um and a traffic light there. It's just

you can't get on 31. I mean, even now. So, add add this development. It's a nightmare. Um, so I would like to see some some work with ID dot to see if we can make that happen. And I know there's no guarantee on that, totally separate, but I assume you have a working relationship. You're not a small company. I assume you have a working relationship with them. And if we can make that stuff work, I I don't necessarily have a problem with it. My other concern is because I've never owned a Ryan home and you guys are building right now, nothing's finished. So, I can't tell you whether the quality is good or it's not good. you know, um I know it'll be uh separate from the Oaks at Irish Prairie, which originally it was supposed to be part of that. It's not doesn't really bother me either way. But um that would be one of my concerns is I just don't want to see a bunch of homes get thrown up just to get thrown up, make some money, and then walk away and we have, you know, a average quality home when we could have a better quality. So that's th those are my concerns.

Alderman cut.

Everybody makes good points. Uh density is one. Uh dealing with the cars, the driveways, you know. I mean, uh you have any amount of kids, you're going to have at least three cars, you know. I just saying. But uh and uh traffic is heavy on 31 and nobody will know until that expansion is done on 31 to widen it and everything else. They uh and that definitely is a cutthrough from 31 to Baravville Road. I mean, I see people flying down that road all the time, and I don't even live there, but I have a couple of friends down the road there, and it's just like, wow, these guys are zipping. So, the density, uh, yeah, cramming five pounds of snot in a 10 pound bag. I'm not really, you know, maybe you can spread it out a little bit more. So, I'll give my feedback a little bit. So, I I think the density in the in the onecar garages is is definitely a concern. Um, I understand that the 31 access is a concern. Uh, I know Alderman Davis and I have talked to several residents in that in that area. And as we're meeting with ID do in a couple weeks, I think this could be a conversation that we talked to them also about um in regards to meeting warrants uh for a light. I know we've had these conversations in the past and I Ross might have some feedback on that already. Um, but I think that's important to uh get some feedback from ID do because I I I know these residents uh will be very frustrated not having a light at Route 31 and uh Veterans Parkway. Do you want to give some feedback on that? Yeah, just that when we had the discussion with IDOT last

time, their response was that they would not use traffic projections to satisfy warrant requirements. That development would have to occur first and the warrant would have to be met by actual traffic counts. Yeah. Yeah. So, with that being said, we were told that this light would not go in unless there's development. And I that not to hold anybody, you know, to that, but ID do was very very firm on that decision to say, hey, you don't meet these warrants. You need more development. So, in order to get a light there, the trade-off is, you know, and I don't know what that density is. Um, you know, so just a little background.

Well, since we are meeting with them in a couple weeks, doesn't hurt to bring it up and have that conversation face to face, um, or screen to screen, I should say. But, uh, but also public parks. I'd like to see the parks being public. I think that's important. Um I think our director of parks would agree with that. Um very uh very important in my opinion. Um and then parking for the town homes. So um same same points that I think a lot of us are saying is uh is those that I just mentioned. Go ahead.

Yeah. On the parks, I will say this neighborhood is actually with the path and everything, people walk all over. So, I personally don't have a concern with the parks except for there is a little bit of tension on who takes care of what. You know, Russ and I have had this conversation many times. You know, is it the HOA, is it, you know, is it the city? Is it who who takes care of what? But I will say between our community and the other town homes that are out there, people walk and use parks from all the things and there really isn't an issue. Most people in this neighborhood are are very welcoming when it comes to that. So for from that respect, I don't have a problem with the parks um where people are going to kick people out of the park and, you know, get all possessive on stuff like that. So, I I I did want to make that comment just because everybody else has has had those. So, just from what I see

and I think the multiple parks is is great, right? You know, I'm a bad father, so, you know, I need a I need a park closer to homes house so I can actually send my kid there so I don't have to go there. But, uh I think it's important having multiple parks and and making it so kids have a shorter distance to go um you know, to get to a park. So, I do love that. Go ahead. because the parks keep being brought up. I'm just to clarify, are these like parks with, you know, toy toys on them and things to do? Are they more like common areas just for gathering and benches? Like I think there's a difference between a common area within the community versus a park that actually has a playground or something like that. I don't know if you guys have determined that, but

it seems kind of unclear. Um the existing park that's next to your house um is part of the current Oaks HOA. It's a it's a private amenity of the Oaks subdivision. Um there is, you know, to your point, there's no signage that says only for Oaks residents. It just happens to be maintained by the Oaks of Irish Prairie Homeowner Association. Um there was a comment about are we putting too much burden on the association? Um the current oaks association is I think it's $46 a month. Does that sound right?

46 a month covers entrance features, insurance, uh detention ponds, and that particular park, that particular park has parking, a pavilion, um the play equipment. So certainly that was kind of a a thought was this works well here. There would be probably of the four being proposed, two would be like this and two would be more what I'll call passive open space. And we had thought that that uh that the city wanted more of what is happening at Oaks. And so we we are not trying to offend anybody if it's better as a public that it does bring the HOA fees down slightly. So, if that's if that's a direction that that one's easy.

Thank you. I just Oh, thank you. I just wanted to make sure we understood what was designated as actually a park and what really didn't require that kind of maintenance. We're not just going to hand over to the city. I would think something with a bench in it. So, I was just curious. Thank you. Sure.

Yeah. One more comment on that. Um, so, and again, I'm just speaking for the Oaks. The park gets used all the time. there's somebody there almost I wouldn't say 24/7 when the sun goes down nobody's there but during the day it gets used a lot the other parks that are just open areas don't really get that much use so not sure how functional they are I don't see people picnicking there or hanging out or just doing whatever. So, if that's a way to, you know, largen the the lots or, you know, when you're looking at the density stuff, if that's a way to rearrange some stuff, I think the parks with equipment that people are going to use and kids are going to use, I think those are valid. Um, because that's what I see being used. I don't see those other parks that are just really just open open areas get used very much. They're just um wasted area to be honest with you. At least in in this part in my particular neighborhood.

Got it. Any other questions, comments by council? Yeah. With these homes that back up to uh Barville and uh to Veterans Memorial, uh I noticed you've got an easement over there. The property lines do not go all the way to the road. Who maintains that property? The city. It'll be HOA. Yes. To his point, uh, Alderman Davis, uh, there are, I think there's 15 outs as part of Oaks and so there will be a multitude of outlots created that would then be

all conveyed into the HOA and maintained by the HOA. Yeah, correct. Thank you. If I could real quick, the south side of uh Veterans Parkway is is uh set up the exact same way. Uh there's a a pretty good setback from those uh property owners property lines and then the HOA does mow and maintain the fence line that's there. I just know along Crystal Lake Road we've got from years and years ago the way it was developed.

Did you get the feedback that you need? And you know, we're we're more than happy to have you come back at a future meeting, the next meeting to kind of massage this drawing a little bit and uh you know, get you back here to have another conversation. Obviously work with staff in the meantime. The Yeah, the traffic light definitely is something we would, you know, obviously fully support that. Uh

right. you know, we've been involved with other projects that have had similar issues that are difficult dealing with IDOT. Um that for whatever reason, even if you have all the funding in place and don't need any assistance and have schools and everybody else supporting it, they they still kind of have that same, you know, you've got to meet the warrant and it's not until you have actual houses. We not we're not going to take your your studies and your projections. um on recent conversations associated with Barville Road and the future resurfacing of Bearville Road that'll happen in 2027. Some of the ID do consultants are a part of that. So, we've had some of those discussions now. Um, to Ross's point that the feedback we've heard is is the apartments are getting the warrant close and that it's still not there and that this gap parcel could have enough things happening that would put us over the, you know, the limit, you know, to meet the warrants and get the traffic signal at 31 and Veterans Parkway. So that's that's definitely a a conversation at some point in time that would have to you know would have to occur. Um but I think yeah I think otherwise I've got good notes here. I appreciate everybody giving uh giving feedback, taking the time to look at it. So this is what we we're looking for. So, we'll definitely take it back to our team, talk with the land owner a little bit further and uh let staff kind of know what what we think we can do, what we can't do, and um try to make sure that we're getting good feedback from our side as well.

Sure. Well, we appreciate it. Great. Mayor, one other thing. Go ahead. Uh when we bring back a concept plan, uh actually drawn up uh I think well this I guess this is a concept I guess what would it be preliminary or whatever. I think what we'd like to see or at least I know I would like to see is is I'd like to see footprints of the different home styles that you've got and how they're they're going to fit on these 60 60 foot wide with lots and see how much side there is and everything else. So again, I' I'd like to see footprints of of how the the homes sit on these lots.

Got it. Um basically, yeah, these are generically just talking through it. their 40 foot wide house pad. And so certainly the mathematics are on a 60oot lot at most 10 ft and 10 ft sideyards. It would be probably a seven and a half actually just to give you some room give the builder some room to be able to shift the house. But that would be the just kind of thinking to the math there would be something like a 7 and 1/2t sideyard setback on on this size lot. A big part of I guess how the how the numbers kind of flow through and you know we've got a land owner with an expectation and then development costs and impact fees and the builder having to have something that he feels he can actually you know sell and and get through in a certain pace. Um, all those things go into the equation here. Um, I know there's been talk about the the conservation residential development. Certainly, we've gone through the division 2050 uh document. Um, there are certainly many comments about the need for diverse housing product and affordable housing. And so that's something we're trying to be somewhat sensitive to of how do we get a price point down to these ranges um where if we end up with a 70 foot lot as the original plan contemplated all 70 foot lots all one product type you've got a much slower sales velocity at that point in time and your price point would be more like 550 then Um, and by not having very many of those and a slower sales velocity, that's where that particular plan in our current economics again in 2005 when that was initially thought about.

They were thinking that they could burn through that whole entire all four units in at most five years. They they at the time everything was moving that quickly. Um, the current owner of this property is the former guy that owned Town and Country Homes. So, we have kind of a interesting insight into somebody that was very very familiar with the original project with what happened with the housing market. Um, so that that's been kind of helpful to us to hear some of those uh those reactions, some of that feedback from the guy's name is Mike Ryan from again from the original Town of Country Homes. So again, that's just, you know, some of the background information that we have that all kind of goes into our thought process.

All right. Well, thank you very much. Great. Thank you. Have a good night.

All right. Moving on to the consent agenda item 6A through 6C. I'm looking for a motion to approve as presented. Aldor Miller. I'll make the motion to approve consent agenda A through C as presented, please. Thank you. Second, Aldain. I'll second that motion. Thank you. Discussion on this item by city council. See none. Cook, please call the role. Miller, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Davis, yes. Cook, yes.

Thank you, council. Next item on the agenda is 7A. is a McHenry Township Fire Protection District Fire Station. Looking for a motion to approve an ordinance granting a conditional use permit for a conditional public use and variances to operate a fire station at 1400 RI Ridge View Drive. Looking for a motion to approve. Aldwin Bainy. I'll make a motion to approve an ordinance granting a conditional conditional use permit for a conditional public use and variances to operate a fire station at 1400 Ridge View Drive. Thank you. Second, Alderman Davis. I'll second that. Thank you. discussion on this item by city council. Chief, would you like to say anything or

I can certainly answer any questions the council would have. Any questions for the chief or anyone else? Okay. All right. Looking for a motion to approve. Yes. Yes. I'm sorry. Davis. Yes. Second. Yes. Bassie. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Thank you, council. Next item is 7B is Mckenry Township Fire Protection District training facility. A motion to approve an ordinance granting a conditional use permit and zoning variances to operate a fire training facility on 3.04 acre tract of land located west of the intersection of Hill Street and Dodge Street. Looking for a motion to approve. Aldorin Miller. I'll make the motion to approve an ordinance granting a conditional use permit and zoning variations to operate a fire training facility on a 3.0 acre track of land west of the intersection of Hill and D. Thank you. Second, Alden Banny. I'll second that motion is presented. Thank you. Any discussion by city council on this item? See none. Clerk, please call the role. Miller,

yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Davis. Yes. Yes. Thank you, council. Thank you all very much. Uh appreciate all you do in the community and the partnership that we have with you guys. So, thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. We appreciate the help of your staff also. Thank you. Appreciate that.

Have a good one. All right. Next item on the agenda is uh let's see. 7 C is summer concerts at Miller Point. Motion to approve the special use of Miller Point Park by the city to of Mckenry to allow for bands, food trucks, and the consumption of alcohol throughout the grounds of Miller Point Park in conjunction with the community concerts on June 20th and August 22nd from 5:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m. I'm looking for a motion to approve. Aldwin Miller, I'll make the motion to approve summer concerts at Miller Point, please. Thank you. Second Alden Bainy. I will second that motion and cannot wait.

Thank you. Discussion by city council. See none. Clerk, please call the role. Yes. Yes. Yes. Davis. Yes. Yes. Thank you. Uh, next item item on the agenda is 7D is light the night. Uh, I am going to be pulling number four as a separate vote. uh D1 through three. I am looking for a motion to approve D1 through three. Alman Davis, I'll make the motion to approve light the night one through three. Thank you. Second. Alderwoman Bainy. I will second that motion.

Thank you. Any conversation regarding this item? Clerk, please call the role. Davis, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Cook. Yes. Miller. Yes. Thank you, council. Item that was pulled 7D4. Allow open container alcohol from 4 p.m. to 9:00 p.m. on Green Street from Walkagan Road to Route 120, Riverside Drive from Miller Point Park to Weber Park and the Riverwalk in its entirety. Looking for a motion to approve 7D4. Alone uh Bainy. I'll make the motion to allow for open container alcohol from 4 to 9:00 p.m. as described. Thank you. Second, Aldin Davis. I'll second that.

Thank you. Discussion by city council. Alder Bassie. Thank you. I have safety concerns um about allowing open container when walking across an intersection on a busy state road. As I did last year, I am voting no on allowing open container while crossing 120. Thank you. Any other discussion? Alderman Glenn. Yeah, the way this is presented that doesn't mean anybody it's up to route 120, correct? Not to route 120. In other words, 120 is not inclusive where people can walk down 120 from one one street to the next, right? That's correct.

Yeah. You got to stick to Riverside Drive. You got to stick to Green Street, right? You can't can't walk down 120 from Riverside Drive to Green Street. You could walk. You can traverse the Riverwalk. That's the only Riverwalk Street under this. Okay, that would any other questions, comments? Trish, please call the RO. Yes. Davis, yes. Cook, yes. Miller, yes. No. No.

Thank you, councel. Uh, next item on the agenda is 7E, dinner under the stars. A motion to uh motion to approve parks special use permit for the Mckenry area Chamber of Commerce for the Mckenry Riverwalk Shops area of Miller Point Park on Thursday 6:1626 from 12:00 p.m. to 11 p.m. And two, approve a special event liquor license to the Mckenry Area Chamber of Commerce in conjunction with the special use request for the park. and three, allow alcohol in the park aside from normally designated areas. I am looking for a motion to approve 7E 1 through uh three. Aldwin Benny, I will motion to approve dinner under the stars as described. Thank you. Second, Aldwin Miller.

I'll second that motion. Discussion on this item. Al Benny, go ahead. Is it sold out yet, Molly? Uh 25. Okay. Uh, save me too. I almost forgot. Um, but yeah. So, uh, Molly, would you like to say anything? Are you good? It's just been a fantastic event pulling a completely different demographic down to the shops and all of Mckenry. A lot of people that come um have not been to Mckenry for years and come back and go, "Oh my gosh, what happened?" It's amazing. So, yeah. No, I' I've gone several years and it's a a great event. So, thank you for putting that on. Uh, Trish, please call the

RO. Yes. Yes. Cook, yes. Davis, yes. Yes. Yes. Thank you, council. Next item on the agenda is 7F. Uh, the Riverwalk Foundate. Thank you again, Molly. Sorry, you you can you can go. You don't have to stay. Don't feel obligated that you have to stay here. Yeah. Take care. Uh, all right. 7 F is a Mckenry Riverwalk Foundation, uh, Friday, Miller Point Park Music. Looking for a motion to approve F1, two, and three. Aldwin Miller.

I'll make the motion to approve F1 through three. Thank you. Second, Aldin Banny. I'll second that motion. Discussion by city council. Alone Bassie.

Thank you. If approved, there will be 11 weekends this season in Miller Point Park with concerts on two weekend days, including the June 20th and the August 22nd city concerts. I understand the Riverwalk Foundation concerts are in the smaller gazebo, but Miller Point Park is not a concert venue. It is a public park. Not every resident wants live music and open container in their park. Utilizing the park for these days as a concert venue with open container permitted throughout the entire park will limit the residents ability to enjoy the park as a park. I'm okay with the Sunday concerts but not both Friday and Saturday. Additionally, the Mckenry Music Festival at Peterson Park is also on Friday, September 11th. City service fees are waved for both concerts, so overtime pay could be even more expensive if there are two concerts on the same day on opposite sides of the town.

Any other questions? all the one. I just want to remind everybody how many people these concerts bring into our community and the fact that they come out. By the way, I live there and have never been bothered by the music or what's happening in Miller Point. Never even seen an issue that had to do with alcohol taking place over there. Um, but it does bring a tremendous amount of people from out of town to our community. They go out to eat. They shop in the tiny shops. They wander into town and shop at our other towns. So, while we might be waving some fees, we're doing a tremendous service to the community and to the economic development of our small businesses. Thank you. Any other comments by council? Aldo Miller?

I I think we build our parks and our entertainment space for exactly this. It's not an all city cost event. I mean, the Riverwalk is putting this on and we're all in this together. So, I think it's only right to support our partners. As Director Hopson said in one of the documents, you know, it's not our event, but we're supportive and collectively we're all better and it does bring new people to town and every new individual that can come helps us grow. So, I I think every one of these events brings a different human. You know, last year the Riverwalk did a lot of acoustical stuff. They did a lot of stuff that didn't require electricity and it was just kind of a people just camped out in their lawn chairs and enjoyed the moment. Completely different than Thursday nights in the park. So I think when you continue to offer a menu of opportunity, you appeal more people than we even know. I would love to ping every event to see where people come from, but I know we can't do that. So I support it and and that's why obviously I made the motion. I think more events are better. If we built it, it's to be used. Looking at it, just growing grass and mowing the grass isn't what a park is for.

Thank you, Alman Davis. I do agree with, you know, if we have a conflict of dates only because uh with Mckenry Music Fest, it's so large to have another event going on that day seems a bit much, you know, within the city. So, that would be the only issue I have. um not particular to here, but we do talk. We do wave a lot of fees um for many different things for our partners. Riverwark Foundation being one of them that does give back and they are a true partner. there are other groups in the city that I don't think are as good of a partner that we wave fees for. So, I just wanted to make that point. In this case, I have no problem with it, but uh for others, you may see me go against that. But those are my only two comments on these. Thank you. And I just I just want to add in terms of like what our responsibilities as the parks department, very very minimal. I I don't even anticipate us having a a staff member on hand. Um there might be some set up beforehand. Um and maybe, you know, maybe the next morning we have to just pick up a little bit, but typically they've been excellent users of the park. Um and so from having and and the use of the park itself has been fairly benign. It's just a nice almost like background music sometimes. Um but it's not intensive. It's not like a full-blown concert. The first item that we talked about, uh the two concerts, those are intended to be a little bit more intense. Um, but the Friday nights and the Sundays are more come down, kind of start your evening, maybe do a little shopping at the shops and then move to one of our downtown restaurants. Um, and so that's that's really the intent, but in terms of impact on the parks and recreation department and staff on hand, um, that's not something that that we

would plan to have. So the cost to the city would be very minimal. What's the How many people attend on a a Friday and a Sunday? Well, we haven't had Fridays yet,

right? So, Sundays, Sundays does depend on weather, but we I think we do pretty well. If we have a decent day weatherwise, you're probably 300, something in that range. I would say our and and to to give you some idea, I think our typical band concert on a Thursday night is probably in the 500 range. Um, obviously that's kind of inst the in the institution of the summer. Um, the Sundays has been a nice ads if they can't make the the Thursdays or we'll see some of the same people. Um, but it's definitely not as big a crowd. Um, of course they're also spread out in a little bit bigger space than they are at vets. So, um, that's my estimates would be around, you know, 250 300 on a Sunday. Thank you. Alman Davis, did you have any

uh I just wanted to clarify maybe I I wasn't concerned about the impact to the city staff. I was more competit with that large of an event just even to have multiple events going on. It just is just more congested is really my point. So, that's definitely something to take a look at. Sorry. We can always uh we can always suspend that date and say this just doesn't work. Um or there's no point in putting one on. We have a concert on the other side of town. Um and so that's something we would we could look to suspend or and and they may not want to do it, right? You know. Exactly. Yeah. You know, so we can have that conversation with them as well. Alderman Glab, go ahead.

Yeah. I just want to bring up the fact that uh all I keep hearing about is how we're supposed to support the uh businesses and downtown and everything else. And yes, that is important, okay, revenue and everything else that it get it brings to the city. But also, as far as waving all these associated uh fees and everything else, uh they're in a tiff district. Maybe we ought to take the money out of the tiff district rather than uh looking at always uh the taxpayers have to pay the taxpayers have to pay. You know, we started the Riverwalk and uh it was amazing how very few people were supportive of the Riverwalk at the beginning and percentage- wise, yes, it is blossomed quite a bit. However, there is still a good percentage of the residents of the city of Mckenry that don't really use the downtown area, don't use the Riverwalk, uh uh because there's really not much unless you want to just take a stroll. There isn't much for the uh let's say the families and everything else uh where they don't they feel comfortable. Um but they're paying for it, you know. So, when we're giving out uh and waving all these fees all the time, sometimes I got to wonder uh are we really looking at uh we never say no as far as waving fees. It's always yes, yes, yes. So, maybe we need to look at a little bit closer of who we are, you know, waving the fees for. Um, you know, it's all a balance and whatnot. And as long as we're talking about the the Riverwalk and and all this going on, you know, it's amazing how we have all this going on uh at night and yet um many years ago we did away with fishing on the Riverwalk because it wasn't

conducive to the people that walked down the riverwalk. Well, if we had a time uh that people could fish in the mornings where there's hardly anybody out there, you know, years ago uh and we're talking probably when I was a child, maybe even before I was born, uh the waterfront uh of Lake Michigan, they used to have uh uh coo well not coo but salmon fishermen and they used to have uh smelt fishermen with their nets. And there used to be all kinds of fights because of the the two of them, you know, inter locking uh you know, somebody hooks onto a salmon, you don't tell them which way to go and they would wind up destroying nets. So what did they do? They they made a time slot for for fishing with the nets in the evenings and in the morning uh the coal. And maybe maybe to some extent we ought to look at that as far as more people in the city of Mckenry then could use the Riverwalk for whatever. I mean, you know, needless to say, we'd have to look at rules and regulations and where exactly not not saying blanket the whole riverwalk, but I think part of it could be opened up for fishermen.

And I'll leave it at that. My my only comment to that is just we need to be very cautious with that because it only takes one time, one person that casts and not paying attention of who's by them. Ei there's excellent fisherman and then there you can walk down there on any given night is we do our best to to you know surveil that. However, there the amount of trash that does get left by a fisherman occasionally. There's really good fishermanmen and responsible ones and then there's the ones that ruin it for everybody else at times also. And so you and I I completely we we developed it with we developed a riverwalk to provide access to our community to the Fox River and I think we've done a good job of that. And so maybe that is worth taking a look at. I understand

if everybody was responsible for what they do, the police chief wouldn't have a job because you wouldn't need the police department, you know. I'm sorry. I think No, we're just What are we talking about? Don't we have a motion right now about Yes. Trish, please call the RO. Miller, yes. Yes. Yes. No. Davis, yes. Yes. Thank you, council. Next item on the agenda is 7G. It is Mckenry Riverwalk Foundation Sunday Miller Park Music. Looking for a motion to approve G1 through 3.

Hold on. Bye. I'll make that motion. Thank you. Second, Aldo Miller. I'll second that motion. Thank you. Discussion by city council. Aldo Bassie. Okay. Uh because the Friday concerts were in fact approved. I am voting no on the Sunday concerts. Um so the Miller Point Park is not used as a concert venue with open container two out of three weekend days of the 11 weeks this season. Thank you. Any other discussion by city council? Alone Miller?

I again I just I can't say it often enough. What we've created at Miller Point is super special and this is an opportunity to showcase it. Um the Sunday music is again something that we don't offer within the city somewhere else. It's small, it's unique, it's very personal, and it's just a way for people to get out and explore and experience what we have. Um, and I would and I would guess to say there's probably more than 200 people down there, at least the time, you know, the times that I'm down there because I sit there and have nothing better to do but count humans. Um, and I would say that you're averaging 300 people down there. Um, so Windhill's benefiting, Buddies is benefiting, DC Cobs is benefiting if we have a food truck. Everybody in the area is benefiting because people come down early because they know parking is difficult and Chief Burke is doing his job. So he comes they come down early, they grab a bite to eat, they grab lunch or a late brunch and then they head over to the park. I love this idea.

Great. Any other conversation by city council? Trish, please call the roll. Yes. Miller, yes. Cook, yes. Davis. Yes. No. Yes. Thank you, council. Uh, next item on the agenda is the 2027 road program. I'll go ahead and turn it over to Russ Adams, our parks, I mean, public works director. Go ahead. Sorry. Sorry, Bill.

Um, yeah. So, this is the continuation of the five-year road program. Um, we're going off of the, uh, PCI scores that we received when we conducted our pavement analysis at the end of 2024. Um, obviously the 2026 road program, which is year 1, is currently underway. Um things are going well with that, but what we're looking for is a consensus from city council to proceed with the preliminary engineering um and maintenance uh pre-construction maintenance for the 2027 list of roads. Um, one slight change to this year from the way the roads were presented last year with the 5-year program is Royal Drive was slated for a 2027. um 36 a PCI score of 36 was our cut line for this year but because we're doing Oakwood all the way up to Royal and the condition of Royal that's why we referenced we're going slightly above that 2 million figure but we figured it was appropriate since Royal was a 36 anyway to incorporate that into this year's road program since we're going right to that anyway and out to Crystal Lake Road. So that's why it's slightly above that 2 million figure. Um, and that's the only real change is that Royal was going to be done the following year and in taking a closer look at it, we decided to try to tack that on to this year's road program. So, I'm happy to answer any questions.

For clarify, sorry, I didn't have my mic on. Okay. Um, I'm happy to see Oakwood Drive included um this year. I think this is a good proposal because the roads are fairly distributed throughout the entire city. So, thank you. Yeah, just for clarification that when we're talking Royal, that's up to Chesterfield because after Chesterfield, it turns into Front Royal. So, it's actually a much shorter street than the whole thing all the way to 120. That's correct. And Front Royal was paved. I forget the exact year, but it was within the last 10 years or so. Yeah. Yep. Any other Miller? Uh,

I'm just thrilled that we're staying with the program and we spent the money to do the survey and the study and it warms my heart that we're taking the guesswork out of it and we're staying with the program. So, thank you. I love it. All right. So, everyone's good. Alderman Cook, go ahead. You got a lot of pothole patching to do. No, I'm glad the the road project is going the way the plan is and eventually it'll catch up, but got a lot of pothole patching to do. We'll be on it. I know. All right. Any other questions? Alman, go ahead.

Yeah, just this one's for you, Russ. Um, considering we're looking at Oakwood and Royal, the part that concerns me more than anything else is the amount of traffic that comes out of the school on the Oakwood and then onto Royal. And it's not just the cars as much as the amount of buses on a, you know, daily routine. How much more um impact is that to that road for that falling apart? I mean, you look at the when we're looking at Royal and you look between Oakwood, that short stint from Oakwood to to Crystal Lake Road, it is really deplorable. And again, they do get semis into the post office, too. So, all I'm wondering is is there anything that we can look at as far as when they're doing that road to create a little bit tighter uh roadway that won't disintegrate? Well, that's part of the pre-construction engineering when we do our pavement cores and see what is, you know, how much asphalt's out there, what the base is underneath it, and then we can if we need to address anything, this would be the time to do it. But I can't answer that without doing the pre-engineering to know what's actually out there currently.

Sure. No, but I I'm just looking at uh we're going to handle this road like all the other subdivision roads. And I more than anything else, it's that heavy traffic just in that one short spot, you know, to where they get, like I said, a ton of buses a day and they get semis coming into the post office and everything else. That just seems to be where the biggest problem is is and we may want to take a look and maybe you look at the curbing uh on those corners and maybe soft soften the the curb over there that turns the curb um the islands themselves are something that we can look at and

yeah the islands weren't were were done years back uh you know I got really pushed to get those in there because that was a huge wide road at one time. I mean, it looked like a parking lot almost. And all I'm getting at more than anything else is I just like to see that we're we're spending our money, you know, wisely there to where we don't have a road. You know, it's going to be a long time before that ever gets addressed again. And we just don't want it to fall apart because of the the heavy uh

the nice part about using the PCI scores is we're not going off of age. So, if the school district continues to use that as their bus exit and if we see a deterioration in the pavement, we'll see that in the PCI scores and maybe that road is a 20-year service life as opposed to a 25. But it will be reflected in the PCI scores over time and it'll be addressed um you know when it's due based on its condition, not just based on well, it's been so long since it was paved. And that's the whole purpose of this is you're going to have residential roads that see less traffic that may have a longer pavement life than a more busily traveled thoroughfare like an oakwood, like a Royal, like a farmstead. Um, that's to Alder Manila's point that takes the guesswork out of it. Instead of just going off of an age, we actually look at current condition.

Yeah. Uh, like I say, I'm just looking at if we're going to do the road uh just so that if there's little things that we could tweak to to help out be great. Thanks. One Miller. Uh, Director Adams, I know you weren't in charge in 2019 when we did the original study, but I know that we've implemented using that study since we got it forward. Is there a way to create this map with all that we've done since 2019 so we could visually see I mean I don't know you you do this internal right this map that's correct

is there a way to create it from 2019 forward so that we can see I mean you telling me we've done 40 miles in my head is like great we have 128 linear miles that we have and we've done 40 that doesn't seem like we've made a lot of progress but if I could see it on a map. I'm visual. That would probably help me. Sure. Can Can you do that for us? Yeah. No, that's very simple. We can do it in GIS. We can color code it if you want. However you want to see it. Now, color. Color code by color code by year would be fabulous. We can do that. Is that Is that okay with everybody? That's why I had my hand up. Okay, good. All right. Thank you.

All right. Any other questions, comments? All right. Thank you, Russ. making dreams come true. They gave me a big box of crayons. Any staff reports? Go ahead. I just want to say um it is public service recognition week and so I just wanted to take an opportunity to thank everyone here um taking part in the meeting, not only the staff but also the elected officials. Um we all um spend a lot of time and effort um going through things and service to the community. So I just wanted to say thank you. Um and uh have a good night. Thank you.

Yeah. So, thank thank you all for what you do. Um you know, all of our staff members, even the staff that's uh within the city, too, you know, uh thank you all for what you do and uh the council members for what you do as well. We're we're always on the chopping block as far as things getting done and residents contacting us all the time, but thank you all for what you do. So, um I have no mayor's report this evening. City council comments. Aldo Miller.

Um, I just want to do a big shout out to the city and the chamber. The Riverwalk shops had their grand opening ribbon cutting on Friday. I was not able to make it on Friday, but I hear it was a zoo. Um, I did go down Saturday and walk the shops and introduce myself to each of the shopkeepers. We have an amazing group of shops down there this year. Um, some really cool stuff. Thank you, Doug, for being on the selection committee. get us 10 amazing shops down there. So, just a shout out publicly, if you haven't been down there, please get down there. There's a little bit of something for everyone and enjoy the mini shops. It's going to be a good season for them. And the cake lady has amazing cake. So, stay out of the cake lady if you don't want cake. That's great. That's all I have to say.

Aldo and Benny, go ahead. I was going to say the same thing about the tiny shops, but I just want to remind everybody how much it means to these entrepreneurs for you to introduce yourself as someone from the city and that you care to come in and visit the shop. I know it meant a lot to them um when we did that and I didn't get to check out the cake lady because the line was so long. It was the only person I didn't get to meet, but the shops are absolutely amazing and I hope everybody gets down there and introduces themselves. Remember, these entrepreneurs are going to fill spaces in our downtown. So, it's pretty important we keep them engaged and let them know how we appreciate them. I suggested to the cake lady that she need to make cake pops and be outside giving away samples. She said she could hardly keep up already. I know. It was like a zoo.

Alder, go ahead. Yeah, for the sake of those listening to the meeting, uh as far as one thing that we do do for the residents is, uh I believe uh we have the pickup uh brush pickup started today. That's it. And uh if you want to just elate where we're at and how far I think most people don't have much more time to get it out there because uh we're picking it up quick, aren't we? No, you do not have much time. It was supposed to be out by this morning. Um, and it it has been very quick so far. The amount of brush has been very light. I would say we're probably 25% of the way done currently. So, thank you.

And I'd like to add they only do each road once. So, if they've already done your road today, they are not coming back. All right. Awesome. All right. Uh at this time I would ask uh for a motion to enter executive session to discuss the appointment, employment, compensation, discipline, performance, and dismissal or dismissal of specific employees by ILCS 122C1. At this time, looking for a motion. All of staff can uh please exit the room. Alderman Cook, I'll make a motion. Thank you. Second. Alderman Alderwoman Bainy. I'll second the motion. Thank you. Yes. Yes.

Yes. Yes. I will call you.