Historical Advisory Commission - Regular Meeting

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Salvador Munoz. Present. Michael Village. Present. Linda Toluin. Here. Kelly Morgantini. Here. And chair forecast.

Here.

So we have five present and two absent.

Okay. We have a phone call meeting. For

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Okay. Thanks, Will. So I'll open the floor to public comment on non agenda items that are under the purview of the HRP if anybody would like to speak at this time.

And we're not seeing any comments on

the email. Post the board public comment. Any agenda additions, items, changes, corrections? To the sure.

There are no additions, deletions, or corrections.

Okay. So move to approval of the minutes for 04/03/2025.

I vote for them all to approve.

I'll second. Okay. Any discussions? All in favor? Have a discussion. I would like to see whenever we have a motion to state the motion and then who moved it How many people voted? Because it it says only the motion and it was moving by x and y, but it does not state what motion it is. So do you mean in a minute? Because we No. The minutes. Yeah. On the minutes.

Because on, like, for the fourth of no. June 6, we'll add a bunch of them. Anyway, at least that one shows that it was moved by somewhat by is is that what you're talking about?

Move by? Nobody it does not state the motion. What did we vote about? That's what I mean. Judy?

So you like, on terms of what we're reviewing today on the draft minutes for 04/03/2025, you wanna say under, say, item number one of scheduled matters, nomination, and elections of chair. First motion was moved by Judy and seconded by Kelly. You wanna say motion to nominate?

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I think other ones are Mhmm. Usually about Yeah. They kinda say that, especially if you modified it or changed it in any way. Correct. That's what feel.

Is it just the order of it? It was moved by Judy McCollins, second by Morgan Teaney, and passed by the following vote to nominate Anna Pointe. So we didn't include the

It does. Yeah. And the motion.

Okay. So is that good? Or Yeah. There any changes we should be making?

No. Okay. That's not good. Would you have another example, Anyway, we're on April 3, so it's like there's one on the next minutes. We'll bring that up. But okay, so we had a vote on all approved on the all in favor of the able, sir. Aye. Aye. Okay. Opposed? Okay. Those minutes are approved. We'll go on to 06/05/2025. Mister Chancellor. I

have a correction on page three of those minutes. It's agenda item two. And towards the bottom of page three, it says, Melinda to revise the plan set for clarity. And it sounds like that that needs to be rewarded. Requested that the plan set be revised for clarity. I mean, you're viewing. Yeah. You you didn't read it's not it sounds like you're gonna revise the plan. On April 3? Yes.

No. June 6. June 5. June 5. June 5, page three. I remember. I'm like, ugh. What?

I didn't move to page three.

I remember two. Okay.

Sorry about that. I would like I'm Okay. So how do you want that? It just says Belinda Taliban to revise the plan. Recommended.

Recommended revising the plan for clarity. Yeah. Do it. That would be And then in the third line of that item, it said that HRRB site design committee. Let's be consistent in calling it the site review subcommittee. It's not a design committee.

K. No problem. I didn't have anything. Okay. Yeah. Question on the minutes? Make motion. I'll make

a motion to approve the the meeting minutes for 06/05/2025.

Second. Any discussion?

Was that motion with the the corrections identified?

With corrections identified by Judy McClellan. Thank you.

Yes. K. All in favor? Aye. And opposed? K. It's approved. So we'll go on to our scheduled matters. First one is P 0 N 250090. It's the Moss Residence.

It's a public hearing to consider recommending that the chief of planning, proof, and administrative design approval for the renovation, remodel of an existing 2,367 square foot single family residence known as the McDonald House, which was originally designed by Mark Mills. Renovation work includes the main entry, laundry room, garage, primary bathroom, kitchen, laundry, and guest bathroom. New style will be installed at the entrance, and that's all glass, no frame. All exterior doors, windows, and roofs will be replaced with new units to fit existing openings, Insisting exterior siding will be replaced. Will be patched and repaired and painted to match existing.

Removed existing tile shingle roofing and replaced asphalt shingles. Extra lighting will be replaced with low voltage lighting and sandblast exterior concrete block walls to return to the original, like, tan color. Landscape improvements will be done adjacent residence. The areas for you seeing locations on project location is Street View Drive, Carmel Valley. Planner, would like the

Preservation. Yeah. Yeah. Good morning. My name is Erica, and I'm. 250090.

Can you speak louder, please? Five seconds.

The proposed project is located at 55 Encina Drive in Carmel Valley. It is zoned low density residential, 2.5 units per acre, and a design consult area within the within the plan review zoning district, also zoned for residential allocation districts. The proposed project is an administrative design approval for the renovation remodel of an existing 2,300 square foot single family residence. Renovation work includes the main entry, the mudroom slash garage, primary bathroom, the kitchen, laundry, and guest bathroom. A new skylight will be installed at the entrance.

It'll be all glass. All exterior doors and windows will be replaced with new units fit to the existing openings. Existing exterior redwood siding will be patched and repaired and painted to match, remove existing tile shingle roofing and replace with asphalt shingles to match the existing. Exterior lighting will be replaced with low wattage lighting, and sandblast exterior concrete block walls will be returned to their original light tan color. Landscape improvements will be done adjacent to the main residence and will include various new seating locations on pervious ground cover.

All the colors and materials will match the existing single family dwell. The McDonald's house is an example of a Rufian organic design principles expanded upon throughout the intended hands of one of Wright's apprentices, architect Mark Mills. The residence is listed on the Monterey County Register of Historic Resource, and the property is subject to a Mills Act contract. Character defining features of the resident include its curvy linear shape, use of cinder blocks, and vertical redwood siding as exterior wall cladding, extensive glazing, including multiple skylight extending portions of the fenestration onto the cementitious roof covering to garner more natural light for the interior. A pie shaped pool and terrace project from the front of the building envelope, providing an expansive view expansive view through the natural landscaping setting of the grounds towards the mountains to the south.

The curvy linear redwood glass finish of the interior ceiling is a main design feature of the. In 1965, a one story cinder block and wood frame residence on concrete foundation was built. A phase one historic report was prepared by Kent L. Sevey, a qualified historian on the county's list of historical consultants using the Department of Parks and Recreation form five twenty three, which concludes that the property is historically significant under California Register of Historic Resources criteria, important persons for its association with architect Mark Mills. And under CRHR criteria three for architecture with its character defining features.

The historic assessment concludes the property retains a high degree of integrity. Here are the elevations. The top ones are is what is existing, and the bottoms are proposed. Staff read the project for conformance with the within with its existing contract and believe the proposed work to be in general conformance to the terms of the contract. As detailed above, the project would be consistent with the secretary of the interior standards for the treatment of historic properties under the treatment approach of rehabilitation.

It is our recommendation that the HRRB adopts a resolution recommending the chief of planning to find the project extent pursuant to CEQA section one five three three one and approved administrative design approval for the renovation and remodel of an existing 2,300 square foot single family residence known as a McDonald House or originally designed by Mark Mills. The renovation work includes the main entry, garage, primary bathrooms, kitchen, laundry, and guest bathroom. Any skylight will be installed at the entrance, and then all exterior doors and windows will be replaced with new units fit to existing openings. Existing redwood siding will be patched and repaired and matched existing. Remove existing tile shingle roof and replace with asphalt shingles to match existing.

Exterior lighting will be replaced with low wattage lighting, and sandbox exterior concrete blocks walls will return to their original light.

And that concludes the. Just one quick question.

The chair, do you mind if I add a quick clarification as the secretary? Yes, please. For the draft resolution, regarding the roofing material, it doesn't include the phrase to match existing because the material would be slightly different.

It will. Yeah. Okay. I wondered about that. The,

letters prepared by the historian did analyze that and concluded that it was consistent with secretary of interior standards. I just wanted to clarify that. These pencils.

And, also, one with the existing drawings, those were those were the original drawings. You're not existing right now. Right? So those were the the clinical plans would. Okay? Any questions right now, I have one one question. Kjell and I, we did do a site visit out there. We are. No. Was

say you Phil answer the questions I have. Okay.

Well, the applicant or

Yes. I'm representing the applicant HMOS who's on Zoom. I do have a presentation. Probably will explain everything in more detail. If you guys think that's necessary, I can go through that.

And and if you don't mind stating your name, please.

Oh, my name is Tai Tang. I'm the principal architect at Studio Shai Tang.

K. K.

Do have the Zoom link. I can show a presentation, and if I can share screen.

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you could log in. Are you using are you in the Zoom?

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And let do this one more time. Shared or assessed. Alright. Good morning. Thank you for the board members for allowing me to do this presentation.

Thank you for the staff for visiting the site and prepared the the wonderful presentation you did. And like I said, I'm Kai Tang. I'm the principal architect, and Richard Moss, the owner, is also online to to help any questions. So let's just get started. So, first of I just wanted to, represent some of the Mark Mills' local projects.

And as you can see, each of the Mark Mills houses are uniquely designed and, but, sadly, two of them are lost, you know, the two on the right. And the McDonald's house, this hour fifty five in, know, the first house on the top left is the subject of this presentation. So the location is in Carmel Valley. It's actually resides in a in a in a wooden site. It has a vast and beautiful view of the of the valley itself.

When Mark Mill designed the house in 1972, it's a curvilinear shape, as you can see the form of the the architecture and echoes many of his organic design in the past. And there were three the this house was designed with the three wings that's hinged from the centralized living space you see in the center. The the wings are the master wing, the kitchen and guest wing, and the garage itself. So you can see it right here. I don't have a oh, that must maybe can work.

Doesn't but you can see the three wings. The garage is upright, you know, and the guest wing, the the the master wing that's hugging the the pool. So Mark Moss designed the space based on the views and the blocking of the northwestern prevailing wind in the in the valley. So the outdoor space and the pool can be used all year long because, you know, these winds actually serves as the blocking of the wings of the winds and also creates a function within. So the architecture and exterior space are linked to the as one unit that's that's maximized the view of the the site and also blocking the the the strong winds.

So as you can see on the survey, the wings and architecture help blending in that location and rest itself on the hillside in the wooded area. So this is Mark Mill's original floor plan, and it shows the arc the the garage right here, the guest wing, and the master wing. The pool is sent in the center, and this space is joined by the centralized living living room space. And the elevations that Erica showed earlier shows the original Mont Mills design, and it also shows how the house is partially rested at burrowed in the hillside. And the low profile actually helps the structure in the high wind area as well.

So this on one hand, it blocks the the wind from the people who's enjoying the space, yet the architecture itself is not affected by the wind as much, so it burrowed in. So it's very ingenious in many ways. So this is the current condition of the house. I mean, this house has is it has been expressed to to be registered on the historic registry and was granted MILSAC. Thank you thanks to you all on that effort.

But after more than fifty years, I mean, this was built in 1972 again. This house is holding up pretty well, but it requires maintenance repair and update as we're here to talk about these things. So there are total six items that's listed that we intended to change. First of all, is the new exterior doors and windows, all the doors and windows system, because they are all currently single pane, so there's not energy, you know, conserving. And a lot a lot of the windows really need to be repaired because they're just due to the age.

There's a skylight addition we would like to add. The sky the the entrance space right now is right in the crevice of a hinge between the garage and the the guest wing. So it's a low space, pretty dark, and we we wanted to add a skylight so when you walk in, it give you a a sense of light and openness. And, like, historian Ken Ceevey also approved that, and there's a letter from him saying that's meeting the standard. We will go through each of the items.

Then the new roof, also, the existing composite slate tiles roof has exceeded its lifespan. It's been cracking, and there are there are broken pieces on top. And we have suffered some water issues on the roof as well, so that roof really needs to be replaced. Then the fourth item is the concrete block walls, and we discussed it, tried to return it to what what Mark Mills designed it as. It was later painted by the previous owner to a different color.

The exterior lighting upgrade, there are not many, but several old kind of outdated lights. We wanted to change them into low wattage lights. And the last last last one, but not least, is the the a a new landscape plan. We are preserving what we what what Mark Mills has created the pool, the deck, the patio. We're we're maintaining that, but we are adding some exterior seating area on the per peripheral of what he has designed so we can I can show that to you on the landscape plan?

So mainly adding certain seat more seating air areas. So the number one is the exterior doors and windows. To what we wanna emphasize, all the doors and window is is to match existing, not just new windows in the existing opening, but we're matching existing. This is the condition of the wood and aluminum window and doors. The wood windows, they're you're aged, but as you can see, they are all single pane glass.

And what we wanna do is to maintain the wood frame and changing the single pane glass into insulated units. The sliders aluminum windows that's on-site, we're gonna match it with Arcadia aluminum windows. Those are all gonna be one to one. The way about to doing it is the top left wind image you can see is a single pane glass. That's an existing condition.

What we intended to do is this one on the right, what we're doing is take this off, the frame off, reuse the frame. But since there's a increase of the the thickness of the window with the insulating unit, we're just slicing off a little bit of the existing frame then adding back on. So from the outside, the window will look exactly the same. So this is our intent on on all wood windows, which is 90% of the window system they have. And and there is there is also on Mark Mills' original plan. He showed a door directly linking the exterior patio to the master bedroom.

Hey, Kelly.

The existing condition right now is a fixed wood window right here. What we wanna do is to return the the design back to what Mark most intended, adding that door back So it'll be the same style, same same door frame, but adding a door, replacing that with the window similar to this. So that's existing, and that's what's on the current house, and we're just doing the same here. The second part the second item is the skylight. The new skylight of what we want to add oh, I'm sorry.

I wanna point out, you know, Ken's CV's letter stating it is in his professional opinion that a minor project is presented is is fully consistent with the rehab rehabilitation standards to add the skylight. And the way we're going about it is that as you see the three d view that the entrance is between the sky swing and the garage. It's a lower space. What we wanted is to add a skylight above that conform with the same shape and form of the architecture itself on the roof, And this is the mock up showing how high they are and what the what the glass skylight would look like in the from a pedestrian and from the rooftop view. Yeah.

The third item is the new roof. We have the existing roof shown here. You can see the cracking and the breaking of the roof itself. It's outlived its life span. And what we are trying to do is to replace the this this, I think, the composite roof tile with asphalt shingle tiles.

We made the effort to make it a class a fire rated shingle tiles, and this material is also approved by historian, Ken Ceebee, as Phil stated earlier. So these are the current roof slate tiles that's on the composite tiles that's on the structure. And what we're proposing is a a is a roof material called a certaintied landmark asphalt shingles, and we chose the color that would match the existing and also blend into the natural surrounding the the the wooded area. So the scale of it is smaller and better fit, and it it's it's suited for this organic form. We can actually make it work on this roof.

The fourth item is to return a concrete block wall to its original color. I think this picture does the job. We did a we did a sandblasting test. And as you can see, the color on the right has this kind of a warm hue to the original color as Mark knows this intended. Then later, it was painted to the right to the far right, that little the difference you can see adjacent to each other. And to the left is the existing condition right now. So the client wants to have, you know, have this kind of a right to to return it to the original color

if so chose.

Exterior lighting upgrade, we kinda want to replace the exterior lights too with lower a low lower energy, low wattage, energy efficient lights. And these are the kind of outdated lights that they have currently on the plant on a on a house. So the last, number six, landscape upgrade upgrade that we have we're working with Ground Studio to work on the landscape design. And as you can see, the pool here is maintained. What we're doing is we're we're adding a few seating areas here and here with a a low retaining wall to create that space.

So we're not really changing or modifying what Mark Mills has done and but just adding upon that to create a more pleasant place making area for the outside and also changing the plantings and and provide new irrigations. That's a zoom in of the extensive landscape plan here and here. And to that, these are the six items we're changing on and we're applying for for your approval. Approval. Thank you very much.

Thank thank you. I don't know if you noticed, but on that last site plan, there was another building show on that plan where they're they're actually building an ADU on that plan.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. This one.

I mean, totally, that means it's not it'll be associated by landscape, but that that's it. It's like. So just if you're wondering what that was.

When you're standing at that house in the driveway area, that ADU is up the hill. Yeah. You have to actually crawl a there's a retaining wall, so you have to crawl up a hill, go past some oak trees. I don't think you'd even recognize it there while you're at the house.

Yeah. It doesn't even tie into the existing and I mean, it will by landscaping, visually, or not. So

There are a series of steps here as Belinda pointed out in over kind of a reaching out, but it's pretty high compared to to the house itself. Yeah.

Okay. But just has the roof ever been replaced before?

I think the roof has, but there's no record of it. When we see Mark Mill's original plan, maybe I can show it, like, again. The roof material actually is quite linear and small.

That's why I was asking. The original plans you were referencing.

Right. As you can see, it's that Yeah. So that roof must have been done by somebody else, but they're just we could not find any record. And that's why we've kinda tried to return it back again to to the original scale.

This is, mister Moss. I don't know if you can hear me, but when we purchased the property in 2020, we were advised, through the escrow that the roof had been replaced with a fireproof, material that is the existing material.

Thank you. Yep. Which surely looks at a scale. Right? Yeah. I mean, plus what you can't see in the pictures is when all those come together, the curves in the center are really complex, so it's hard to get a roof material that you could easily apply to that. So I think their solution works pretty well with that. And the other thing you know, one advantage is a lot of the glass is fixed glass and lit stops. So it's not like it's got its own frame. So when they replace it Right.

It looks just like it looks now. It makes it pretty nice. Mhmm. So any other questions right now? What I'll do is I'll open it up to the floor for public comment.

I did have a question about skylight not having been out there to look at it. I'm just curious what other people's opinions are about it over the entranceway.

I mean, you know, it when you're out there, it makes sense because the that little entry area is just so tight and darned. And and it's all glass. You know, it won't have a metal frame. It'll just be glass. So it it would pretty much just disappear. You know?

I mean, this mock up picture is not representing the design itself because they just used a crude way to to form it. You know? But the height is about the same height from that. But as you can see, we're curving the part that that morphing it to the same shape as the roof to the left, and the design intent is more so like this. And it's gonna be all glass, so it's not gonna be as as protrusive.

Mhmm.

But I do agree with John that when you walk in that space, that's the main entry, and that's in a crevice of the two wings. It's very dark. They're very small. Mhmm. And on the inside, it's also a curve shaped like a like what we show here. So our our roof, the glass roof conforms to the shape of the interior and exterior. So that's some light into the space.

Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. It'll make a big difference. I mean, I I the fact that it's all glass, you know, it will pretty much disappear, you know, sometimes being intact.

And you have the you have obvious offsets on the roof anyway.

Yes.

You can see in the picture that they have the roof is a really complex roof with all the different angles that come in. I like John said, I think that skylight's just gonna disappear. You won't recognize it until you oh, yeah. That's what it is. I mean, it's just gonna be see through. And Yeah. I don't think it's a visual it's gonna make a visual impact on the structure as you see it, especially when you're on the ground looking up. It's gonna lose most of the vision of it anyway. Mhmm.

The entrance to the Fanshell House is very similar to this.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So before I go back to opening it up to the floor, would the owner like to speak anymore?

No. I'm happy to address any any questions. But other than that, I think Ty did an excellent job with the presentation.

Okay. Thank you. Okay. So I'm gonna open it to the floor to the floor if anybody would like to speak from the public at this time.

There is no one on Zoom. Okay. So I'm

seeing none. We'll close it for the floor and bring it back to the board. There's any questions. Yeah. One thing, what you see with, like, a lot of Mark Mills' work and work at that time, you know, they did some really interesting stuff with ventilation, you know, that no longer works. And that that's kind of the challenge with some of this when they have to get back in there and, like, make some of the windows work or some of the but they're gonna match what they can to to make some of those details. But, typically, in every Mark Mills house, you see there's, like, these little these are very cold horizontal vents that are, like, just plywood or something with hinges. And, you know, over the years, they just deteriorate. They don't look anymore. So Yeah.

They're highly effective, though.

Yeah. Mhmm.

And the Carmel Valley, the house will be stifling, and they have these low vents. You just pop them open, and a breeze goes right through the house. And within minutes, the house has went from 90 degrees down to the ambient temperature.

So Mhmm.

As interesting as they are, they seem to function very well.

Yeah. It is also our intent to return that to the original form with that hardware. Each one would have unique hardware too,

and we

have those as well to Mhmm. To work with. So, yeah, it's a it's gonna be a a challenging job. But

So how difficult is it to do that the ceiling in living room? The

ceiling of I mean, that's the I mean,

I I

believe that's the best ceiling that Mark Mill's wife enjoyed. That's why she kept a picture of that ceiling in her pocket. So I heard or in her wallet. Yeah. We are trying to do that to maintain and fix what we have and see what we can do. We originally I mean, I say interior scope, but we originally wanted to return everything to a redwood, you know, color as it was designed for, but we're just seeing a lot of challenges how to Yeah. Almost all of them has replaced and how to get all these strips in. So it's always a challenge, but we're gonna try to make it keep in the same shape.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And once again, I think it's important to recognize the owner that's willing to Yeah. Keep the house into its, you know, historic fabric and and spend the money in detailing that. So I think that's nice to have. Well, I'd like

to make a comment on the draft resolution. I think we need to be a little clear because, in fact, I had called to verify that halfway down, it says all exterior doors, windows, and roofs will be replaced with new units to fit into the existing openings. I would like it to read all exterior doors because the doors are doors and they're jammed with aluminum, and that's those will stay window glazing because the windows are not really windows with emollient. They're just glass

Yep.

And framed in.

Put some in.

Mhmm. Then and we'll replace with new units to fit into the existing openings. I just wanna make sure that we understand that the windows are going to match the window glazing. So the it doesn't say to match existing anywhere on the permit even though your presentation says it does match existing. I just think that would be clarifying in our resolution that it's too match existing, And we can either say that or just call it window glazing, because you're not replacing a really old window. You're job building to windows. Mhmm. Just to clarify that somehow in that first section of the resolution. Yep.

So the wood windows let me just further clarify, The wood windows will be only replacing the the glass unit. The insulated glass unit. That's it. The wood frame are existing to remain. We're just gonna modify it so they will look the same. Yeah. The sliders, aluminum ones, we will be replacing them one to one as the same.

Right. So I'm I'm suggesting it says all exterior doors Mhmm. Shall be replaced in kind.

Mhmm.

Window glaze will replace the window glazing in the existing frame.

Mhmm. Mhmm.

And then and that says roofs will be placed with new units to fit. I mean, the roof doesn't really belong in that sentence, I don't think, because Mhmm. It doesn't fit in a unit. It's it says remove existing tile below so we could take the word roof out of that sentence altogether. I just wanted to be clear that they're not popping out windows and popping in another window. Yeah. And it never says it's gonna match. It just says it's gonna fit in the existing opening. That was my only when I read it, I see a hole there, and I just wanted to close it. That's all. So might I suggest we change the sentence all exterior doors to match existing and replace window glazing in the existing frames?

The, one exception, I guess, would be the, window that we're replacing with a door per, Mark's original plans.

Right. Mhmm. Yeah.

Correct.

So I if you wanna be particular, then we might wanna have to mention that.

I just wanna make sure because so many times people pop out windows and they put in new windows, and then they go, but it's a new window. You said I could have new windows, and it doesn't match the style, the type, or the it just changes a lot. So and we can just add to that sense except for the door and the master bedroom that is the window that is now being replaced back to the original door.

Mhmm. Mhmm. Yes. Yeah.

That that's all I'm looking for there somewhere. Other than that Yeah. I think it's a wonderful presentation. And

Great. Alright. I I have

Sure. Do you want us to have the exact language now, or is the direction kind of replace it replace the language there with more specificity regarding what's happening, replacing the glazing or the wooden windows within the existing wooden frames?

Well, as long as the rest of the board thinks that's reasonable.

I had

a couple tweaks as well that are Yeah. On the same lines. But in the res in the resolution, like, fourth line it's just really picky. But, like, the fourth or fifth line up, it says exterior lighting, etcetera, will be replaced with low wattage lighting and and sandblast exterior concrete walls will return to the original. Let's see. There needs to be a new sentence or take the capital off of sandblast. I think maybe just say exterior concrete block block walls will be sandblasted to the. So just general reframe. Mhmm. And then the second one, there's there's a somebody named Ashley Hasblutel.

I just wonder if that

was somebody that was, like, an applicant or works with Chic Tants or something.

She's an architect working

in the office. I just that's the only place I see her name. I haven't seen her anywhere, so I'm not sure.

She's working out in Japan

right now. Okay. And

is that how you spell her name?

Yes.

Is it so it's a s h e l y?

I don't know. I I'm not seeing

Okay.

It's it's the resolution says a s h e l y rather than a s h l e y. Wasn't sure if it was Ashley.

Or It was Ashley. Okay. Spelled misspelled. I'm sorry.

So maybe

tweak that. Yeah. Is it

see, we can't find anything else.

Man, we can't pick We're never

gonna we're never looking for points. Yeah.

The one thing you'll notice is we don't have a phase team on this front. Yeah. And and can't injure themselves. So we have the letters of Kent. So we felt that, you know, the government can make that determination. That's what we're Yeah.

I know. That's the one last thing. Should we I mean, we've got the phase one. Should we reference that we have the letter from Kent as well, or do

you just consider that part of

the phase one? Don't need

to pull that out. Or Part

of the phase two. Yeah. Well, I think that's as far as evidence.

Those are separately listed as an explicit evidence. I missed that statement.

Yeah. I mean, you know, we could walk through, you know, fill everything, the letters and everything that you can find, so there's no reason to, and the board's qualified to make that determination. So there's

Well, I make a motion that we approve this project based on the draft resolution provided, but the minor modifications of the sentence to read all exterior doors shall be replaced in kind. Window glazing shall be replaced within the existing openings, and one window in the master bedroom shall be replaced to the original door as per the original design. The second modification on that first paragraph, existing lighting shall be replaced with low lightage lighting, period. Sandblast exterior concrete block walls will return to their original color, period. And, of course, we'll fix Ashley's name.

Okay. I'll second the motion. Any discussion? All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay. No projects. Thank

you very much.

Very good job.

Thank you for your presentation.

Thank you.

This is what we like. Okay. We have other matters. But but for me, we have other solar panels. Was in the store doing the shoes that I know we can't devise, but we have any.

We were just gonna look. I know that when I proposed that or I talked to to staff, is it there some other cities that have some decent directions for HRB for historic resources boards? So I was I I told the bill that I was gonna find those

and send them along to him. So That's doctor. Yeah. See how that might work. Architecture school. So that's so that's it. Okay. So that's where we are? Yeah. Okay. Something. Because I haven't heard of anybody, but it's Well, he he We stand the history. Yeah. Yeah.

And the one I'm know for Los Gatos is the one I remember reading about.

Materials in Howell. So I'm gonna go back there. Gonna go They used to have my kids for board models. Mhmm. Okay. That's for maps. Mhmm. So any other board came up details, they'll do my caps. They do what? So it it was Any other discussions? No. Sorry. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. We have a private one. So So any other discussions? Comments from the board? No. Okay. And the department update, is that You wanna handle that, Phil? Yeah.

I have two things. Number one was Public Works wanted to notify the HRB that they had received the phase one historic report for one of their projects that was installing a mural at the

King City. King City.

Building indicated that it was not historically significant, but they just wanted to do that outreach. Okay. So now if you have questions on that, feel free to let me know. Otherwise, no action is needed on the from the board on that piece, and I attached the 31 historic report to the agenda. The other item was also related to public works.

The capital improvements manager for the Pajaro Library renovation wanted to request a meeting. I had a separate email and conversation with him about the appropriate process for that given the way the condition of approval for that project is written. It says HRB committee, which I think is the the site review subcommittee. So we should have been clear on that one, but I think that that was the intent. I don't know if John, you and South, do

you bill Monday? At nine. Is that what it was? Monday at nine. Was it on Monday? No.

Monday at 9AM.

If not

Can you do that, Sal? Yeah. Okay. That's affirmative for both of us.

Excellent. Thank you for being flexible on this important project for future items. We'll try and get more timing and notice. Okay.

So one thing, we someone that were called out to a site visit for the Japanese school in yesterday. It was pretty straightforward. They're just gonna do a reroof, and they wanted to make sure that because it's on the national registry that everything was in compliance. And, it's in everything. It's pretty straightforward with that.

I know we had moved to the department update, but possibly go back to comments and referrals. Is that a matter that you think would require a full referral to the full historic resources for ViewBoard given the nature of of the project? We're still kind of figuring out the smaller projects Yeah. The appropriate level of review.

Mhmm. I mean, it was pretty straightforward. It's just pretty much a straight roof replacement. There wasn't any modifications and changes. So it would be just a matter of formality, if anything.

I think as the HRB secretary, I am going to make a call that that is a minor alteration that I approve as secretary. And if anyone has any questions or concerns about that, let me know.

Because, I mean, it was I mean, there was, like, really no changes or anything.

And I think the only question I had about it was, like, how are they gonna preserve the hip roof on, but it sounded like from talking to the Apple camp. I'm not sure if you guys are familiar with the Japanese school. It's like a very simple building that has, like, a few Buddhist temple elements in the roof. It's just how are they gonna preserve that structure.

And he assured us what they were gonna do. It was Primo Roofing. That's because we'd be roofing. And we looked at all those details, and he assured us that he was gonna replicate them definitely as is. And the the only comment on that is is probably just a few boards.

They have to replace that have dry rot, but somebody has to go back and paint them because they don't they don't paint. And I don't know how that's communicated with maintenance or something, but it's not gonna be much. And as long as it's painted the same colors, the building is the same size replaced. It's just a few minor boards, but they're they're rotten, and they have to replace it. The North County Recreation District or the others of property.

Send them an email, but no. Okay. And I do have another comment, and it's about Castroville. Because way back when we used to review projects in Castroville, we had a couple. And now you go out there and and, like, the whole whole city of Castroville or not Castroville, but.

All those buildings are being renovated and stuff and and major construction now. I don't know if they have permits, but we have not seen anything. I don't know if we should see them or if there's any evaluation done for history, age, or anything, but they're all pretty much being taken care of at this point. I don't know if there's anything left, but just driving by the other day. I mean, there's a few more that were under construction that's remodeling.

I was thinking, like, there's a captain's in out there. I think they can. That that was way back in the the mag days, but I don't know.

Can you say that again? There's what out there? Oh, just the

the remodeling and stuff. I mean, the old town of Moss Landing. And I said we saw, like, the I guess the captain's in on the Bay Side that we saw when we reviewed way back in the May days. Mhmm. But that's, like, the last time we've seen anything. So I don't know if there's any protocol for us to be reviewing anything or how it's if that work's being permitted or, you know, what's actually going on. Protocol would be

the same as other areas in the county. So, yes, if there are historic resources, they should come to the board for review. I actually know quite a bit about Moss Landing because I am working on the Moss Landing community plan. So for property out on Sandvold Road in the island, a few years ago, they did demo demolish the old Phil's fish warehouse. However, they got a phase one historical report by ten CP, and that property wasn't historical.

Later, they looked at the jungle gym associated with power plant stacks. They did not evaluate whether the stacks themselves were historic, but they did a, like, a very interesting historical report where they said or they reviewed whether the demolition of that jungle gym of cables and pipes and conduit stuff would have a impact on the stacks if they were historic. They concluded it would not. There was a remodel project of a single family residence out on Moss Landing Road. That project did not receive permits initially, where they replaced all of the the exterior siding and the door and And large stuff of that nature.

So that should have gotten appropriate permitting, and I don't know if it was historical or not. But given the age of the structures out there, it would have been appropriate to get based on historic report.

Because there's some of those old historic well, antique buildings and stuff that were there. That's where that they don't work on.

The antique buildings, especially, like the wooden one and the Shakespeare Society of America and stuff.

There's just work out there, and I just don't know if they're getting permits or, you know, if anything's being reviewed.

Things are being reviewed. K.

Mhmm. You see a couple buildings? They actually have trailer axles sticking out of them. So it tells you probably didn't get a permit for that one.

They probably

And people go, you're serious?

I'm like, look at it.

Know that one didn't get a permit. Interesting. Mhmm. Yep. Moss Landing. Yep.

Well, yeah, it's pretty much a barbie now. Right? They pretty much taken over.

Yeah.

I mean, there's not a lot of activity out there anymore except for a barbie because and Phil's was the big

They opened a new restaurant. I know we're way off topic.

And they have a retail they have a wholesale fish place that you can go and buy your fish Yeah. Market there. And

Okay. Sorry. That's my question about pasta. Need any. Trying to have any comments, questions. Anything on your end, Phil, anything coming up?

There are a couple of projects that are potentially being referred to the HRB in the coming months. One of them is a historic residence in Pebble Beach where they are posing to do, AT and T cell phone tower additions within, like, a chimney screening, and another that is

radiation.

Out of our scope. They the Carmel oh, there's one let me get to make sure I'm referring to the right project. The Carmel Valley Manor, which I believe Steve Mason reached out

and requested a site visit for it, and I

think that occurred already. I've been already. Yeah. A report. A site visit.

Oh, site visit.

We did that one. That was, like, a few weeks ago, so don't know what happened. So, yeah, we did we did that site visit.

Which one?

Does it matter?

It's a matter. So those two are in the in the works. There is a project at the Bromel Convalescent Hospital where they got a phase one historic report, and it is historical. So we requested a phase two historical report. And once that is ready to go, it would be referred to the HRV.

Did we look at that post, like, eight or nine years ago?

Yeah. That's the old Landscape. The old hospital work?

Yes. Mhmm. Yeah.

That I mean, because that was

a part that that came before us for

a long time. They they gutted everything. That one? Up on the

It's spread off of Highway 1. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Just TD West of Highway 1. Mhmm.

Yes. And I I think they're they're substantially changing the scope, and it's gonna be a new permit.

Four? Multifamily stuff. I haven't

reviewed any

reports yet. Residential.

Multifamily. It's

a multifamily plus rehabilitation, but I would not be able to give you a detailed description.

Because it went back and forth. This one time, I was going back to convalescent. Okay. One time, it was housing, and then that that group that we went for, like, years with their studying reports. You know? Because they had that it was a drafting service that was doing that. It was coming back to a convalescent home or something, and then it got abandoned. So okay. That should be interesting. I don't think k. Any other comments? Reports? Okay. Hope everybody had a good fourth. That's why. And we'll see you next month. Mhmm. Okay. Thank you all.

Thank you. You.

Okay.