Planning & Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

Teresa, let's call this meeting to order. Yes, sir. Chairman Steve Dyer here. Markinski here. Brian Evil here. Kyle Cook here. Call. Okay. Um, thank you. Um, for public comments on items not on the agenda, did you receive anything? I did not receive any slips. Um, for items not on the agenda, looking at the audience, I don't No, no slips. Nobody's raising their hands, make themselves known. Let's go ahead to approval of the minutes. I think we got to do them separately.

I wasn't here for the 24th or I can abstain from all of them. We would still have three to pass even if he wasn't here. Yeah, I can do them separately if you want to stand on the 24th. Stay off the 24th. Yeah, I'll make a motion to pass the February 10th and I'll second it.

Um, you were second. Yep. You want a motion on the next one? And everybody was present. So I'm going to do an are all in favor. I none opposed. Okay. I like a pirate. I will make a motion to approve February 24th minutes. I'll second.

Okay. Brian. Hi. Sorry. Is it here? Yes. Yes. Obstain. I was not here. Yes. I like that. We're on action item number four. This is fantastic. Tabled application 9225 conditional use 65 South Main Street wall mural. Is anyone present? I texted three people that night, so I know he got the message. I put it back on here cuz I heard a rumor that he might show up, but but we talked to him. Yeah. Yeah. And did he say he was coming? Yeah. I mean, okay. Sure. But he's not here.

I guess we leave it on the table. I would like to leave it on. I'd like to keep it tabled. I feel like uh talking to him. He He paid the money. He wants to follow through. He's waiting on the owner of the business. The last thing we want is to take it off and have him pay again if the owner of the business gets him the information. But I do need think we need to give it a timeline. I think um I think I think another month that's fine. You can lay it too and then we got to make a decision on it. We just can't keep it forever. Okay. But we'll make that decision in a month from now. All right. Action item number five, section 1159, light manufacturing amendment. This is also tabled. Chris, do we have anything on the curb cuts?

So, yes. So, you guys are gonna get to see Trevor for a little bit. He's gonna come back. He's working on a couple things for the city. Um I gave him my notes on that. He's putting something together. So I think he's going to be the next meeting the 24th. So yes. Okay. He wasn't able to come tonight, but he's going to prepare the edits and things that you talked about for the next meeting. I know you had mentioned that we could bring things up on the meeting here. I was going to email it in, but I figured we just bring it up over here for that is one of the pieces that I thought of and know we kind of had that conversation

was part of planning as much as we are zoning, right? So, trying to plan that whole area uh and to make it as simple and clean as possible with all of the different things that that are going on throughout there. What I'd really like to see, and I think we probably wouldn't have too too many people opposed to the idea, uh, the two plots that are kind of in question in there, right, the representatives are here on there. I'd like to just see a road go straight down the two of them because we're talking about Sportsman's Club for the most part. I thought you were about the Endeavor Court.

Endeavor and Sportsman's Club. Um, but with the Endeavor Court, I was thinking of this of if we had just north of Endeavor Court, but if we extend Endeavor Court up, unless we just call it a different road. Yeah. And I just don't know what we're able to require of developers. But I would be I was going to ask if you wanted to mention only development on the what would that be the south side of Endeavor or north side? I think it's just north side. North side of Endeavor Court leaving that marsh land, you know, whatever. But yeah, I mean, if you want to ask about the the road all the way through, I just don't know what that looks like.

Yeah. I think the idea of keeping as minimal amounts of curb cuts as possible in Sportsman's Club, if we just put a road in that connects to Endeavor Court, then they can just split off all down that road and have a right turn only onto Sportsman's Club and right in and right out. So, there's only technically one cut there. So, you're This is Endeavor down here. You're talking about a road that would go something like this extend like literally follow that property line. It would just go up through the two. Split the two down the middle like a circle or something. So it's not going to sportsman club is your go to sportsman's club still but it would just be right turn right turn only on sports very few. So it sounds like you're trying to control the traffic pattern and then limit the curb cuts. Correct.

Can we make that? I don't know. Don't know. Yeah, I don't know how. I would say though, we do want to for sure if we can only limit the development to the north side. Would the design reward view? But if something came through, would the design re review board get that? We would get it. We would get it. When it comes to the the road the road Okay. I just kind of wanted to bring that just put that idea out there just so we can try because I think if you're splitting those plots, you can split them a little bit easier. Is there anything in there about traffic studies though? There is. If someone put if you put anything there, it requires a traffic study for that district.

So, with what we are allowing with what is allowed, there doesn't need to be one. There doesn't need to be one. And that's our If they come in here and they ask, then if they ask for something that's not already being allowed, then yeah, there we would that would be a great question then because we'd want to know. I thought there was something traffic flow is going to be like is a certain over a certain size we required one right the building was over if the building's over a certain size correct but you could be a small building and still hire 300 employees or whatever right be tight so we'll we'll then at

table that until Trevor uh has a chance to review both of those items as far as north side uh only possible road all the way through and limit of curb cuts. It was brought to my attention that the county might already have a limitation on curb cuts since that is a county road. Um there might already be something that is in in place. Is that the section that the city maintains though? So it's technically a city portion of that road. It's a good question. The city does maintain part of that road.

Mhm. I know that he was asking if that limited what the county's rule was like. Does it only limit it to where we maintain and then that rule stops or does the rule go all the way through the county road? Are we going to report for Yeah. Not for N. That's Are we keeping the roads in there? Is that what we're Yeah, I mean all the other specific roads. All the other specified roads I think are still

How many roads are in there? Does anyone have the actual copy of it still? Cuz I can go pull that little bag. What do you mean in there? Do you mean the roads listed on Yeah. the new area? The roads that we previously had in there. Yeah. We we we only listed roads so that we could um maintain the development on the other side of light manufacturing. That's because the area is so big cuz the area is very surrounded by residential. It's old zoning that we're that we're stuck with. Correct. There's there's multiple areas that have residential homes and then there's multiple areas that are undeveloped and then we have

Right. And then someone was saying cuz that that one of you because there there's the um there's that trailer park right there, right? That was Ford Street. That's all that's all part of it, right? There's homes there. So that's why we're not listing those roads and we're being specific with the roads that we're allowing these new users. So that cuz that's actually like manufacturing, isn't it? It is. Yes. Mhm. Right. So we don't want that. We don't want that over there. Okay. I don't think the residents do either. No, I don't think any of us would. Right. That's there's the roads there is terrible. Okay. All right. So, that's the reason for the roads. Mhm. Otherwise, we would just apply it to the whole light manufacturing district,

but instead of splitting it into two another district, you know, we just added the roads for simplification. So, why did council send it back to us though? Well, originally we added the roads because we only had like one one and a half, right? It was easier to do it that way. One of the bigger now it's growing sportsman's club because we missed including sports women's club. Okay. Mhm. And we have sportsman club lifted on there now. As long not yet. We once we come up with the curb cut solution that you recommended then we'll we'll have it. Okay. Okay. If we if it's approved.

So Trevor's going to come back with clarification still tell us what what we need. Again, this is a recommendation to city council. And then so it sounds like our concerns are that road and the traffic that it's going to bring and the traffic studies that you you brought up. Is that right? Yeah. I mean it's a concern. Yeah. Yeah. I know that's a concern for a lot of people. I just want to know like plus everything else on the list. But yeah, I mean there's two options in that area. I mean light manufacturing still can have residential and residential is going to go there. If not light manufacturing, right? So if if houses are built there, then that too can cause traffic. Oh, light manufacturing can have residential. Well, we have residential and light manufacturing over there on Ford Street, right?

That's why, you know, we wanted to limit the roads in it so it doesn't affect them. But then also, if we bring in residential, traffic studies show that residential often develops more traffic because you have people coming to and from their house on a regular basis during the day as opposed to to work and from work. So to open that up to where more businesses can be there and more funds can come into the city as opposed to just a home, that's not a bad thing. It's already like manufacturing. If we just include that sportsman club, then it it opens it up fully. And the other piece was Endeavor Court. Endeavor court wasn't included in there. But

the whole district's already like This is why I still I don't get it. The whole district's already like manufacturing. Correct. I get we I do want to rewrite the code cuz I get that code is we had no no so we had a lot of um old uses. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of things that weren't already on there that would streamline the process for a developer to look and go okay that's already included. I don't need to go through the red tape of going before a board to be approved. Yeah. Right. So to kind of that makes sense. I think we to offer more to developers that are looking for places to put light manufacturing. Uh, we wanted to include better options as opposed to pottery and drug. Yeah. Yeah, I get that. I I agree. The code needs to be updated.

The only reason we added the roads was to limit in the light manufacturing district where those uses could be that way. We have we have light manufacturing outside of that area, let's say, on the west side of town. Yes. Behind. So, do we need to put roads in for those too? No, because then we would be allowing those uses and we don't want that. Oh, we don't want the new updated code to be allowed those uses out there. It's not that we don't want to them to be allowed. We called out frontage of 62. So, it covers it on that too. Called out the frontage of 62. Frontage had to touch 62 or other roads that we So, why do we want to attract businesses back there but not on the west side? Because that's the PD district. The PD is going to the PD has its own land development.

Plan development. Okay. The PD has its own set rules. So, the new code only applies to that very small LM area right there. Correct. And all we're doing is making apply to any other LM in the entire city. LM just just where those streets are named. Yeah. Why wouldn't we want to apply it to the rest of the L? It does. Mhm. Yes. Okay. It's anything that has frontage on 62 and anything that has frontage on to the And that's written 62 has front edge. Correct. Okay. Okay. Okay. And then all we're doing is making a recommendation to council and then then

they kicked it back to us because we didn't call out those two sportsman's club and so technically they wouldn't qualify for the addition additional uses because we didn't call it out on there. So they're just covering themselves for that. Well, I think I to me it was unclear why they kicked it back with the thing reading it. I think when Trevor gets here he's going to give us more explanation. I mean, it kind of seemed like we didn't take in count. I was confused on why it got kicked back, to be honest. I um I was on council and I was confused on why they kicked it back, but it's here and we're going to have Trevor in a next meeting. Yes. Okay. And he's been a part of this program since day one. Right. Right. Day one.

He also he also wrote that the narrative on the front about why it was returned and he can answer those questions. We don't need to make any more recommendations to him. That's why I'm asking all these questions is do we need to have Trevor change anything? That's what we're telling Chris about. So Chris is going to pass that to Trevor so that he can come on the 24th with recommendations based on what we've stated with curb cuts and endeavor court because throughout this event we identified curb cuts is a concern. So yeah, he's got he's got everything and and that road may not be an option and whatever you know that's cross that bridge when we get there. Any questions for us Chris? Those are good directions. I wrote them to

good direction. Pass it to Trevor. Yeah. All right. So, Teresa, this application is still tabled, correct? Yes. All right. Is there anything? So, then we're done with that. Is that correct? Yeah. You can just leave it. Um, it'll come up next time when Trevor brings either an amendment. Can we go over that date right now? Is it the 24th? Yes. All right. So on the 24th uh chapter all right item number six chapter 1187 text of the design review administration and regulation text amendment. This is the one that goes with the right. This is design guidelines.

Brian, do you have a chance to look that over? This is the second. This is the second. Yeah, but I I but I I said Yeah. No, I I skimmed it. Let's put it that way. though. But it was a nice document. Yeah, it's a it's a thick one. I was like, I can't read. That's why I was I asked that jokingly cuz that's a lot. I mean, there was a committee, right? Yeah, we had a committee that put that together. And I know I I went to a couple of the meetings and I think you went to one. Yeah. Brought my wife. She was super excited. She was thrilled to be there.

I mean, it's a riveting meeting. Um but yeah, this is something that they've been stewing on for a long time. So, what's the goal of the meeting? Just so everybody's in the room and and Brian's right here, what what's what's the purpose of redoing this? Yeah. So, redoing it allows for the public to be able to instead of going before a board getting just the city's approval on certain matters, it also gives clear guidelines on what is allowed and what is not. Up until this point, we haven't really had that. It's been more a matter of opinion and and I don't think anybody wants to hear anybody up here talking about whether they like a different shade of green. So this way it it just streamlines the whole process. It looks it looked good. I mean I think it was open. It's done really well.

Just just think it was done really well and it's going to reduce it's going to be nicer for our our residents. I mean they're going to have less hoops to jump through. It's going to be more obvious and as clear I think it's in line with a nicel looking community and and obviously when it goes out to the citizens it'll be more palatable. It won't be it won't be such a mouthful. All right. This is the second time we brought this up. Is that correct? Yeah. Do we send it to council though? Yes. We have to wait another one. We'd like to. Is there anybody here that would like to make a comment about that? The design review administration regulation text amendment. Seeing none,

we I'd like to make a motion to um recommend to council the text of the design review administration and regulations. And I would like to second that because I really like it. I think it was well Yeah. Well done. It was good. Great. Okay. Kyle Cook. Yes. Brian Hel. Yes. Park. Yes.

Yes. All right. Job done, guys. Look at this. Item number seven. Application 9 2926. Conditional use Johntown Udica Road Granville Milling. We have a staff. I would like to start there unless anyone thinks it's inappropriate.

All right, sounds great. So, this one I can talk to. Um, this is all review based on the application and so I'm sure the applicant's going to want to address you and talk to you about their plans. But, uh, according to the application, what we're talking about is a 7,200 square foot addition, uh, right next to the current existing Granville uh, Milling Company building on the east side of it. Uh, it is really designed to be a drive-thru. So, it has two drive, not just drive-thru adjacent, but drive in and through bays. Uh, and it will be for pickup of various things you can buy there, feed, and they're also out adding alcohol sales.

Um, so the conditional use is not for any of those uses because all those uses are allowed in the GCC2 district. The reason is here is because drive-thru uses require a conditional use permit from all of you. Uh, and part of that is because drive-throughs can create traffic and have impacts on sites uh that you all need to review as it relates to uh the roadway network and adjacent properties. So, this is here for condition use permit related to drive-thru. Um, I it it's in the GCC2 zoning district. Uh it aligns I think generally with the comprehensive plan and the future land use map. Um the key point I think well it's probably also you all know this. I'm just going to say out loud. Um it's the property directly adjacent it's on 62. The property adjacent to the uh east is in the township. A little piece in the township. And then we're back in the city. Uh and that's where the Ace Hardware is. If you go to the west down 62, it ab butts immediately to the John'stown Company. It's like a 65 foot kind of access piece that goes back to the larger parcel that also connects all the way through to Duncan Plains. So the um Granville Mills, that piece of Johntown Land Company are all zone GCC2. The mill company gets their access to that shared access uh on that 60 foot owned by Johntown Mill Company that then goes to 62. Directly behind to the south of this site is Johntown City water tower. It's a little piece

and it also connects to that 65 ft piece provides access to 62. Once you get past that further to the west, we're back in the township again. uh township is all zoned uh B1 business uh as well as the land across 62 that's the agricultural fields. Um so that's that's kind of the layout there. In terms of the uh zoning, there are a number if you're if you're building new, there are a number of things that you have to do. um because this is an expansion, it's impacting some of those requirements that fall under the conditional review. So, I'll give you some examples. One is uh there is an imperous surface requirement in the GCC2 district of 65% max. So, only 65% of the site can be covered by building, sidewalk, drives, parking. Um, no calculation was provided. So, I can't answer to you all whether that is being met or not met. If it's not being met, that would require variance. Something you might all want to understand. Um, if it is met, we're set on that one. Another requirement is parking. And the parking code requires one parking space for every 200 square ft gross of enclosed structure. This is 7,200 square ft. So I did the calculation here. I forget. I have to look at it was uh something like 30ome additional spaces. Now as staff I'm willing to recommend to you all that we wave the square footage that would be dedicated to cars driving through the building.

Yeah. because that's not really going to be used to store and sell anything. Um, but I don't know what that calculation is. So, I don't know what the leftover is. So, I kind of need to know what that new square footage that's not drive through is. And then we need to talk about what that required additional parking spaces are. And then this plan didn't show exactly where existing and any future parking are. So, we would need to understand that because this would add additional parking because this is a drive-thru. I mean, and not a building that someone's going to go and like actually sit in and be at. Is there a is is new parking necessary? I think that's a totally legitimate discussion. It still has both, right?

It would still require I think a variance just by code. That would be reasons to say to justify a variance.

So, that would be but I can't even tell you exactly where we are in this because I don't have that information. Um and then the last big thing is um a landscape plan. Um several things happen when you do for conditional uses or often this isn't necessarily saying it but if there was additional outdoor storage if there's a diff this one I am recommending some kind of screening for headlights coming through the drive-thru. If you think at night they're going to be shining into 62. Best practices, it's in the code is actually some kind of 3 and 1/2t tall screening right in front of where that pavement is. The drive exit would be so you're not shining headlights straight into 62 when you're driving through. That would be a recommendation. They are going to have to expand their storm water detention area that's in between the street and the building uh because of the additional impervious service and current requirements. Um that's at the state level. They've got to meet all those. Uh it to expand that area. Uh it looks like they're going to be impacting a evergreen tree lawn that was planted I think required by code for the adjacent neighbors. That would need to be addressed. It looks like it may even impact the street trees behind the sidewalk. Those are required by code. If those are taken down, they'd have to be replaced in some fashion. So all this stuff needs to be

and there's a permit for that as well, right?

Yes, there's a permit. So all that needs to be taken into account. So I don't have that information either, but that's stuff that would be I think important by code to consider. Um so I think those are the the big highlights. Um, in terms of the idea of a conditional use for this use, uh, from a staff point of view, I I think at the highest level, I I don't have an opposition. You all could I mean, people might say, well, a new new use alcohol drive-thru would increase trips. I think that is true. I don't think it increases trips significantly enough to warrant concern with the access setup as it is. I also separately wanted to share with all of you that ODOT is studying 62 between Johnstown and New Albany has plans has several alternatives. Um but most alternatives are putting some kind of median on 62 in addition to added two lane, you know, make it two lanes each direction. So that would impact left and turns in and out. Um, which is something they haven't gotten to that level of detail, but I just want to put that on the

record. But no, I'm glad you brought it up because I was I was going to say what is because I've seen posts on Facebook for New Alby's. What are they doing with this road? It's going to go all the way Johntown, not just Franklin County line. Yeah, it's Johntown, New Albany. It's Yeah, most of it puts a roundabout at that intersection. Yes. This one or the one that had said they'd have a median here at the round. Is there a new curb cut? Is it the same curb cut? Same cur. Yeah, I should have said that. Same curve cut. Okay. Do we know if that speed's going to change? It's 35 to right there. Yeah. So, is it it's going to do we know the 55 is going to

because it's in John's town. Well, I don't know if that section street out into the rideways, but if it's in John or it's not, it should be. Um, you all can help influence the speed limit. So, if you wanted to stay there, I would think there if it's going to bring more business, I would want to slow them coming down. I hate I'm all for not slowing down traffic, but I want to reduce I feel like traffic's already slow. There's no there's no one going the speed limit in that area anyway. That's very true. Uh that's why they sit at ace all day long to but should we consider but we don't do we I mean do we have do we have rightaway beyond this or no? I don't know. this 55 that state. I think that's a question that maybe um I mean that's it might be a rusty question on what he thinks of that.

Yeah, I don't think we do yet because it's not done. It's not the city property right there. Right. Okay. That's what I was wondering. I don't know if we could because that's going to it's going to do we do we know how much business it's going to bring in? No. Well, we can ask the applicant. I think that's cons that's a concern we can think about. I don't think we can make recommendations on roads, but I think it's something you can weigh you can use to weigh in your decision. And we can ask the applicant what they think. Okay. And that concern though if that becomes an issue then that's something the council can address with Rusty or the safety. I think it's a good problem to have. Yeah. It's a good problem to have. Yeah. And I I if I see the traffic flow and this is just maybe me and my ignorance. People aren't probably going to go out of town to go there to get beer there. You know, we got two drive-throughs here plus two gas station. It's going to service that. People are going to be getting their feed and beer at the same time.

Yeah. So So I don't see it increasing too much, but that's just my ignorance, you know. There's a section over there like right next to the golf course that's residential. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean they're not going to be part of an in but part of the PD that'll still be built into future use. Do we do we ask the applicant this question in a minute? But first before he finishes, do you have anything else to add? Just a couple of things. Um just also want to clarify they're taking the leech fields out because they're connecting to sewer.

Um so that's not an issue. Uh so there are I think nine uh kind of key tests you're all supposed to consider. use permit. I wrote them out in here kind of recommended on all those. I think the only thing is whether you want to see any of the parking couch impervious surface couch landscape plan uh before you make a recommendation on conditional use or whether you want to condition that on a conditional use uh is kind of up to you. My only concern is whether any of this would somehow cause a more substantial alteration to the site plan. you know, if we knew the answers, but again, or or at least know whether there were variances that were going to be requested or not. Sure.

I mean, we've got 15 parking spaces already. It's called out on the application. Yeah. And this is saying that it's going to be covered by 20% additional. So, we need 15 more or Well, the 7200 is covering an additional 20% of the yard dimension. We have the yard dimensions on here. Mhm. Which is not exactly It's not exactly square. So my math doesn't math not square. Any other questions for staff before we move on? I do not. None for me. Where is it going? All right, let's um would our applicant like to speak?

If you could come to the podium, please people at home could hear you and state your name.

Absolutely. John Reed with Milling. Bill Watts Granville Milling. Um, so I'll start with a few things and I've got some follow-ups um for you there. Um, Kyle's a really good thinker. Um, so I I guess maybe just kind of like upper level, you know, the why. So the market's changing dramatically. So grandma purchased an old business on Track Street many years ago and um, you know, as the market has changed, you all deal with that all the time. Uh, we see those changes, too. Our traditional customer base is somebody that is either a farmer or somebody that has a plat of land, maybe some horses and some animals that live out in the community. And as the market has changed, a lot of those people are exiting. We call that our legacy business. And as you look at, you know, more houses, more density, those people don't own a horse. They may have a dog, a cat, um they feed the wild birds, they may drink some beer. And we've experienced the same change in other markets. And so we're kind of looking ahead. So as Kyle mentioned, we're really not making this play to add additional traffic. There may very well be some. I can't control that, but we're really looking at this more to replace the legacy business that we're losing as the marketplace changes. We're kind of getting ahead of this thing and it's changing dramatically every day by the customers that come in. So that's really the the plan. So could there be some more footsteps in traffic? I I God, I hope so. But um really I would be the plan is built around net zero and just holding holding our business where it is today to be honest with you. Um I do have some follow-ups on some of the call outs for you. I apologize I only made three copies. I didn't realize there were four of you on here. Uh there were some good questions on um landscape plan. We got that for you here and maybe you can share.

Kyle and I can share. Yeah, there's some there's I think Chris needs a copy. I think I'll make another copy if everyone wants one. I think we can make this work. Yeah, we'll be good for that. Is there one for Chris? Yeah, there's one next. We can share. That's fine. It's upside down. I don't know. Go by the words. I can't see them. No, I think you're right. You can have your own and we had that way.

We had uh did a similar project in the past with their store there. Maybe you've been down through we did the same kind of uh project there and it was a it was very successful and that's what has led us to Johntown trying to do the same thing here. We we face the same changes with the marketplace and even faster trying to figure out how to stay in business quite frankly.

Sure. Um so if you look at this um you know all the call outs you'll see in front where the pavement comes there's a ribbon right there a planting area um that'll be of the height to kind of block block the we are concerned you know as people exit there'll be you know at certain times of the year there'll be some lights that would that come off the vehicles as they exit onto 62. So that's the reason kind of from the entrance all the way over to the tree line kind of this area right here. Um, so that's all be that will be plantings right there in order to block that. Do you have the heights specific or is it what do you have just plantings?

Yeah. Um, I can't remember if it calls it out, but whatever you guys would recommend is what we would plant there. It's got to be high enough to block the lights. So, okay. And on that note, real quick on lights, I know you said certain times of years. What is the hours of operation? Um, our plans would be same as the task probably 9 to 7. Okay. So this time of the year, you know, it's almost the midpoint, but there's going to be certain times of the year when it'll be done. It'll be done. Yeah.

Um we are aware that as we expand the retention, um that um you know, until you get into that, you know, are we going to damage the root system of some of the existing trees? Um that's going to be something if it happens, we're going to have to replace those trees, particularly the ones along the sidewalk in the front on 62. And then as you mentioned that screening of the pine screening that protects the neighbor to the east. Um you know if if that occurs we're gonna have to replace them. So we're hopeful that it doesn't occur but I can't guarantee that once we get into construction you start moving some dirt. We might nick some root system and then we find in 6 12 months those trees have died replaced.

Parking. How about the parking? Have you done math? That's a great question. So, um, I didn't I didn't identify that here. So, I read the I read the the rules as well, one per 200. You know, it's a drive-thru. The people there's no retail in this addition at all. Literally, there's no there's a there's going to be a space that's a little warming center for our employee or employees in there when it's cold that there's no place for people to get out in it. They're going to be in their vehicles the whole entire time. So, right, um, we have some additional space to the back. We can identify some more parking. be honest with you, it's a drive-thru retail zone.

Even even what's not drive-thru will basically be warehouse or cooler. So, there's no there's no retail space as such. And one to two more employees is what we're talking for parking places. So, we think that's pretty much a not an issue as far as we're concerned. Yeah. So, I'm open for feedback and we can address it. We can address it now. There was really not a per se rule in your in your u statute about drive-thru specific. There was one that was related to um a drive-through like restaurant um combo would be game for some feedback. I don't know how to deal with that. Is it just alcohol or going to be like normal beverages? Like you'll have Cokes and chips.

We will. I'll be honest with you. We don't sell much of that stuff. Most of that goes to the grocery. It's really minimal. Um, okay. It'll be alcohol and then um feed. Okay. Feed. What we see is a lot of our feed customers as the customer changes, they don't want to come into a retail experience. They want to make it quick. So, these people are traveling from work in Columbus or New Albony and they're coming back to live out in your community. And that the transaction needs to happen quicker. So, if they can pull in with their vehicle, there two lanes, one lane feed, one lane here and other pickups. And it's all about moving them in and out. these people want to get home to their families in sporting events or planning and zoning meetings or different things like that. So, um that's the whole that's the whole premise.

All right. So, I would like to tackle the parking issue. Now, we've got Chris here. Um how do we legally attack this? Uh well, I mean we apply for would they need to apply for variance then? Yeah. So, two things. One is, you know, if this was a all new development, we'd be looking at the whole site, including the original,

talking about all the parking. The way this works, that's all pre-existing. It's just the impact of this addition. Um, and whether you believe that any parking is required and whether it can fit, I think it's a compelling case to say by code, you would bet you, again, I think you could justify even by code, not counting the drive-through space. you'd still by code have to acquire have to um calculate the additional space, but I think you could you have strong justification to say a variance is warranted for that. But the additional space outside of the two drive-through lanes is literally storage. It's warehouse.

But yeah, technically by code, you need a Okay. So, any questions about that? Any other questions for the applicant since he's up here? They are up here. I would like to address some of your other questions. I thought you were done. Sorry. Impervious pvious. Uh I thought that I'd sent that. We do have those calculations here for you. Um 65% is your is the number that you need. This gets really small. Your vision is better than mine. It's not. I can you can borrow my cheaters.

Did you get one? That's fine. I didn't pass already. Yeah. I I don't have nothing to go on. I just don't want to but I also want to support them. They got a good neighbor. Yeah. I think I know that that's I'm I'm going to stick to that cuz Yeah. No, no, no. That's cool. That's what I think. Yeah, I agree. Next weekend next business is this. I don't know how to read these page.

I got it right here. Oh yeah. Okay. When we So we are we are we are in the we're purchasing an additional strip of land to the east. Um that was mainly done because of setback. We didn't have to apply for variance. Um we're aside we're purchasing that land pack from Wing Company when we had owned all of that years ago. Um we actually owned the we sold sold you guys the land for the water tower by the way too if you any of you were on the

council then. But um so when that is all completed the total land area will be 3.03 acres. The area that will be covered um total coverage will be 1.7 acres. If my math is right that's like 56%. Um and I think your hurdle hurdle rate sir was 65. Yep. So, uh, it should be all right there for you. I apologize if I didn't include that. I I thought it was just working on a drive-thru additional use. I didn't realize I was. So, I get it. You had done all the work on it. I just didn't submit it. I appreciate that. And again, even if it's not, but even if it was over, the fact that they sold the rear for the tower say, well, you know,

Yeah. another reason, right? Right. That Yeah, the tower was that land was theirs. Yeah, that was ours. We sold it to you. only if they die, right? I think that's better. Yeah, I think so, too. Okay.

Yeah, the last one I wanted to just address quick. There was some question about refu dumpster and then the traffic flow. And uh I just got a little schematic here for you that this is not as fancy as the two parts. I didn't pay anybody for this, just me. So, it's not going to be nearly as good. Um that just kind of that's our plan for the flow of how people are going to enter and exit the site. And um we've already got dumpsters on site. They're tucked in behind the existing facility. There's two more brother dumpsters. Uh our plan is to just continue where they already are. We're not going to plan on moving those. So you're not going to need anymore. So

now we've got plenty now. And um so the plan is to continue that same as there. And if you can see the traffic pattern, that's the yellow line. That's how we're envisioning and that's the reason that the screening that you brought up is important. So, um just some heights. We'll just have to get some feedback from you on how high so we can block the lights that go out in the 62. Theresa, will they need to apply for the variance and come back? Yes. Okay. Is it only going to be sold in Is it anything in the store or is it only in the drive-thru? Only in the drive-thru. Okay. Did you have any more? I was just trying to address those questions that you had. I think I I think I've done that. So, unless you have some other questions for us. Thank you. That's good. Thank you.

No, I don't. Um Kyle, do you have anything about trees? I mean, are you removing any trees? There will be some removal in the rear of the property. Like a corner towards the water tower there. Some cut down. We'll take You took out a bunch. We built the water tower. We dig just a few more. That was all pretty much wooded back there. There any tree rules that apply to that one? There's a tree permit. Um, we love our trees.

You You again, this is co. You would need to just note the tree trees. It's not shrubs or anything like that. It's trees. What the trunk if they're in good condition or better, what the trunk diameter is, the ones removing uh basically at chest height. And then if they're invasives, we don't care. They're invasive trees. They're all invasive. Exactly. Great answer. And that would be a Yeah.

But then for we we total those up, the requirement is either replace those same inches on the site. You have a very tight site and you've got detention or you can pay into the tree memorial tree fund for the city that city uses to plant trees in the city. John, I will email you the variance application and the tree removal permit. And the variance is for the parking. Yes. I don't know. I've heard I don't know that I've heard where you all landed on that. Well, we're going to discuss that. But yeah, that's the reason for because of code we need the variance unfortunately. Yeah.

Once we have the variance, then we can make a ruling on the on the conditional use. Any questions for our applicants? Is the Does it meet the 25 ft from this edge of the property? Yes, that's why they bought it. Good question. That's the reason we bought 30 foot. Oh, you bought that. You bought an extra piece. I didn't that earlier. Okay. Mark. Okay. Um I think not speaking for everybody here, but I think there you guys always been a good neighbor, a good a good community member, and I think this board's in favor of supporting you. Um but obviously we're not gonna make a vote till we have the variance but and that's just to adhere to the code.

Totally respect that and we want to be good community. I mean that's the goal and so we we appreciate everything you've done for us and you know just so you know on condition you could approve something like this with a condition that the variance varian so good at our job keep moving along on this project if we could. Well, then I'll make a motion to approve as long as the variance is put in the variance for the for the for the uh parking. Yeah, cuz this application tonight just approves the use. Okay. That's that's that's kind of why I was asking if we needed the variance to approve. Yeah, perfect. Um I will second. You'll second.

Kyle, yes. Brian Ael, yes. Yes. Dire. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. You know what I realize? Did we have anybody that wanted to speak on this? Oh, public comment. Not that we can do again. I'm really good at my job. Really good at this job up here, guys. Steve Dyer, I'm It is a voluntary business. Fantastic. Yep. The pay is awesome. The pay is awesome. What's the timeline? Just out of here. To get paid. No. Yeah. Um, yeah. How quick can we do the Can the variance be and then Oh, no. I just didn't know if it's this summer or next summer. We would like to be moving as soon as possible.

They're waiting on us. The goal is to move. Well, they have the conditional use approved. So, we got to get the parking figured out. So, they'll also have to report the variance and we have the whole We've got to go to the county like we've got. Yeah. They have to review that architecture now, right? Oh, yeah. There's there's a lot more steps. Yes, I think you will. Sorry, what was your name? John. John. So, as far as the parking goes, cuz I heard you say that you have to get the parking figured out. Now, the variance basically says you don't have to worry about that part of the code. Y got um that's why it was just to because you're right. They're just driving through. There's there's no retail in there. So, you won't have to worry about figuring that out. Okay. All right. Thank you.

Yeah. So, to answer your question, as as soon as we get through the rest of the steps, um I'm hopeful this summer. Well, then you got to go through design review and it's the new packets going to the city council next week. Next week, I'll send you that application also. Okay. Get done before. All right. Item action item number eight. Other business.

Mhm. Go ahead. All right. I will make a motion to adjurnn. I'll second. Okay. Hi.