Bza Meeting - Regular Meeting

e e 10th uh Planning Commission meeting can we get a roll call Mr Westbrooks here Mr Roberts here Mr Cox here Mr Wallen Hurst here miss musky here all right uh approval the January 13th minute anybody have any comments or Corrections not two were gone in last meeting as submitted all right is there a second all right uh all in favor I I Iain Iain abstain two ABS all right uh first item is uh signage for digital print Solutions on Freeway Drive you guys know the deal so I think you had submitted earlier and then based on some comments you guys decided to come back just before you even M around so um yeah new signage canopy directional signage um

would you like to go over your comments sure thank you Mr chairman my report dated February 1st uh so as you had just indicated um there was a prior submission the applicant withdrew based on some comments received and they've reved revised their signage um so what the current proposal is it removes the ground Monument sign and maintains the two instructional signs uh they're now about 5.33 Square ft I think previously they were like 4.45 sareet so they went up slightly in size um and then the wall sign um is uh no issue with the square footage being at 20.98 the applicants done a very nice job of working with the um the city on revising the look of the wall sign so they did go with uh dimensional lettering um with the exception of logo they can't get that in the dimensional um so it's uh effectively it's the the vinyl overlay on top of it be ditional as a back but the overlay has to be vinyl because of the gradient in the logo yeah the backer is raised and then the vinyl overlay um so uh that you know that's a a big Improvement to have the dimensional lettering um so as it relates and then the other thing that they did uh which was um which was good is they removed on yawning it used to have the um legs that would go down to the ground and so they switch the awning style to what the planning commission's been improving with a number of other commercial properties which is the awning suspended to the building um and it is a a metal awning not a fabric awning which is good so uh just a couple outstanding issues as it relates to the instructional signage um it can't exceed four square feet by the um by the code

they're sitting at 5.33 so they'd have to be reduced an area or seek a variance from the for zoning Fields um we had previously had a site plan that identifi the location of the uh the signage relative to the RightWay this particular property 908 by Freeway Drive has an extra let's call wide row right away um and so Mr gelot and I have been talking about this since the initial smid submitt um we both I think are of the sort of stance that the in structional signage is still in the road right away um but it's pretty difficult to get it out of the road right away without moving it significantly back to the face of the building so it sort of loses its um effectiveness at that point so if if you can create like a breakaway type sign I think they're just aluminum but um if they can you know be like a breakaway style and I think the we'd be flexible about them being in the road right away the ground Monument's just not possible because it's going to be you know it's going to be a solid sign with with solid materials with with um a foundation that's just not possible you'd have to move that back try I don't even know that you can get a variance for a RightWay issue yeah probably but on the instructional if you could do like a breakaway signage I think we're both of the opinion we could be flexible yeah I would agree it's a safety issue and the directional signage what's it made out ofi aluminum just the whole even the posts are aluminum yeah so if a car were to leave the road and hit the sign the sign would just Shear off or fall over yeah that's not wrong yeah should that be in the motion aluminum or anything yeah there's no Foundation no yeah yeah so if the commission's okay

with that you'd want to add that to your motion that they you know Breakaway posts effectively with no Foundation um and so yeah I'd like to talk about these like after we talk about the other two things later if we can because we I have a revision for the size uh it was my fault I I thought you um when you looked at the square foot as of sign I thought you were looking at the graphic but you consider the outside of the frame as well I assume so I had I reduced it down so it's like 3.89 feet down okay yeah so that would remove the issue as it relates to the overall square footage and then the location as we just talked about um if the commission's acceptable with that then those two issues as it relates to instructional signage are cured so no problem as long as um we get that as a submission into the record the uh then it's just the uh we still do need just a site plan to clearly indicate where those instructional signs are going I I gave you a sight plan it's and it's small so I'll try to see what we can do as far as you know make it larger great um so with that said uh those are really the only two um two issues that needed some attention all right anything nothing further chair you guys got any questions so you've got you've got it with smaller reduc size we with awning and we sign all right so me some copies I'll probably they'll they'll probably you guys want copies or just send them back

here all right one one of the things you know Brian we talked about it too in the past uh was the fact you had an issue with their like a small logo on it yeah I was just going to say so you you put a logo back on this and you can't have well that's why but that's what we need to talk about if we can because you know we both feel it's sort of a safety issue if you're having you know they have tractor trailers going up there to deliver things to them uh big box trucks and if they don't see you know those entrance and exit signs uh don't don't see like a a logo on there a company logo and they don't happen to see see the sign letters on the you know upper portion of the building wall then you know there's a possibility that trucks are going to be passing them up trying to back up on the road you know trying to turn around in somebody else's property just for a couple little logos I I think it's more of a safety issue than a I mean we're not doing it to make you know to have extra signs on our property we're doing they really want to do it so people delivering you know materials or picking up things there and we have a very narrow driveway as you might know so it's super easy to miss um and I just had a quick question I know it was listed as an instructional sign versus um a directional sign which I was just curious why that is I believe the directional sign there isn't the limitation of a logo on it and I guess I would probably consider this more of a directional sign because it's one way versus you know different areas that they're going to um so that was just my question on it as well I mean you you know what that roads like up there you know if they if they pass her building and go up there by the bridge you know

the over to uh what's that road up there ledge ledge yeah I mean it's going to be a terrible place for a truck to be stuck you know yeah so the answer to the directional sign question is that's um specifically something on site that directs patrons to like parking spots as opposed to an instructional sign which um by definition uh means a sign intended to instruct employees customers or users to specific parking requirements the location or regulations pertaining to specific activities on the site or in the building specific services offer blah blah blah blah blah so it is an instructional sign and actually commission has held that both directional and instructional have been maintained at 4 S ft or less so um if you want to put the logo on there you'd have to go to the board of zoning appeals the planing commission can't override that you want to do that are we able to start on the other items before that before two sides that's entir left of the commission I think you can approve it subject to and if they don't get a variance then they go without the logo and it's approved based on the submission as long as the sign does the size doesn't change materials aren't changing whatever is on it I mean we yeah we can only approve without the the Lo ask a question yeah why can't they have a a giant logo on the front of their building like like all kinds of like RBS and everybody else else that you know where you wouldn't go flying by it are you allowed to do that or I think that is the intention there is that sign have a sign there this it's but they go

by anyway you think well the way the way the building is it's like the outer part that JS out this like one story and it's like a whole back of Windows like covers the whole off and there's a a long Tre like yeah some trees too and then there's uh a rear forcement building that's like your Warehouse I assume it's two stories and that's where about the only place where they can put it on and that Jets back further too far drive yeah yeah that's all right no problem so yeah so I guess yeah they will they will have something with the logo on the front but yeah whether it's I don't know but we yeah only way to get that is the bza so yeah the direction I follow that's why we were trying to do the uh BR sign too but we determined that's going to be too it's not going to work so cost and how far back it'll be they won't see it is unfortunate it's weird um i z have a problem with doing it uh whether they get their pza you know can be Chang problem so I guess the the the couple things we want to maybe I'll I'll make a I'll make a motion uh to approve the signs based on the resubmittal with a smaller instructional signs um with the signs being mounted to posts that will effectively be breakway uh due to being in the right away um with a administrative review of the resubmitted plans the one uh administrative review of the resubmitted plans ones we just

got tonight um I think that's it is there a second I'd second that yeah Mr France I think I I heard you say um that the resubmission the approval is for the area of the signs and not the logo that's presented on the resubmission plan and that that's got to go to the board of zon appeals for approval can you make that note yeah based smaller instruction smaller instructional sign not the not logo not the logo so uh once we go to the Planning Commission or The Zing I'm sorry U we come back here again you shouldn't have to come back you won't have to come back here unless you make some other change all right any more discussion all in favor I all right least you're good with us all right uh next is specialty lubricants someone or group or all of you whoever's coming up can we get the names for the record sty resident specialty Lupin Jeff Sero architect all

right once you guys uh just give us a brief overview what you got planned and then we'll have some discussion okay we are uh proposing a 60 uh sorry a 49,000 foot addition to his his current 67,000 foot uh manufacturing and distribution facility um purpose of that space is for additional warehousing and Manufacturing as his business is growing and he needs more um storage and Manufacturing space yeah it includes two uh two additional docks for the building uh a door for use with the trash compactor is also in that dock area um we have a uh a remote outdoor storage area proposed Clos um for it's really for pellet storage try to get the pallets out of the building that's the purpose of that something apparently recommended by the fire department no that would make the fire department happy because everything that goes out as pet so we store quite a few of indoors currently so we'd like to get them out all right um Mr France would you like to go over your thoughts sure I can my report dated uh feary 2 as the applicant said it's an addition just under 50,000 Square ft uh with that small outdoor storage area and um I've provided you um some comments uh about nine of them or so most of which are fairly I would say fairly minor um kind of numerical type things to just clean up on the plan so um just the one was just the first one there some different numbers that just had to be clarified um yeah one of those is a floor plate

number and not there's a second floor meing so the building area in the data includes that Meine but the the plan itself did not okay but we'll clean that out yeah it's minor so um nothing a show stop or just when we do these reviews you know we try to be as thorough as we can and it may seem ticky tacky but it's just um making sure that the plans are you know fully cleared up so when you get the final plan approval and get the here ultimately those are set to plan when when you're building out on the site you'll have the ones with the signatures on them and those are the ones if there's ever an issue you're looking everybody's on the same page you're looking at set of plans that were signed off on minor stuff um so parking a little bit of a a different issue so um no additional parking is being provided for this space uh so there's um 234 spaces sheet sp1 says 234 spaces are required 123 are provided I took the 20% breakdown out for mechanical and such which actually means you have less that's required um so when when it's all said and done um you need 189 123 are there no additional new ones are being provided I did go back and I looked as far back as I could look on high quality aals back to of 2015 it's evident that you don't use all your parking um I mean I think it most I think I've seen a third of the parking lot filled right at any given time um now I'm catching it on whatever days the Aerials are coming through but my suspicion is that's probably the case the whole time that's why you're not proposing new parking unfortunately there's no mechanism in the code that the Planning Commission can you know

allow it to be reduced so to have the reduction you just have to get a variance from The Bard of Zone appeals go to them um I see no issue with that again given that there's clear indication that you don't use the spaces um the code just sort of parks a little bit more than what you'd find maybe in some other codes it's it's a little more Suburban in nature and so it requires more parking but that's something you could go to the B Zone appeals and and seek okay is that required before planning approval so what I've recommended tonight and of course the commission is the um entity has to make that determination I've recommended preliminary plan approval tonight um if the commission agrees then you can go seek your variance as you go through your planning for your final plan approval um there's a submission deadline I think in a couple weeks for for bza it's a simple submission I think based on what you're asking for you already have the exhibit prepared which is your preliminary plan you just have to fill out the justification and um submit your fee or whatever that the city charges for that and then go to the bza in that time you'll be working on hopefully you'll be working on your final plan approval so they're just being run for the currrent okay okay um so the uh outdoor storage area there's a 100 foot front yard setback required evid you meet that the the plans just don't scale so your final plan approval you know submit that in a a form that's to to scale they can be 11 by 17 you can do half sheets however just so long as drawings are drawn for 24 by 36 we submit those if if so if you submit them in printed form that's fine okay yeah yeah that's fine I was just suggesting if

they were 11 by 17 you could do that as well that's fine okay they're 25 24 by 36 are full plan sheets just got to submit them printed to to scale okay uh Landscaping sheet L1 uh documents um sort of a long three foot tall Mound that extends the entire rear of the proposed Edition approximately half of the existing building um generally the the plan does prop propose a good mixture of deciduous and ker trees uh I felt that um additional landscap materials mounting should be added to the south side of the building Edition um currently the plan just shows one um I think it was a celebration maple on the South Side so felt some additional Landscaping should be planted along the South Side as well you don't have to do mountaining you can just do landscaping but felt we cut dirt heavy we'll be cutting back there so it's difficult to mount okay yeah so if that's the case then you can just I think that's the west side of the building right not same you're right I'm sorry Northeast yeah you're right uh the west side there you go yep we would have mounted that South Side trailers to pull up the in the way right uh so yeah just some additional Landscaping being recommended there okay um photometrics just um they're hard to read just to scale so I'm sure they're fine typically uh require full horizontal cut at property lines um you could do a half a foot candle or less at property lines yeah we're zero so perfect yeah so um so just submit that with your final plan approval and then uh storm water drainage right now conceptual is showing some um some drainage at the a new drainage basin at the entrance you'll just need complete

details for the city engineer to review for final plan approval and then uh Building architecture um the expansion area is being shown as um uh tilt up construction pre-cast concrete uh panels painted to um attempt to sort of match the existing building facade um I was kind of trying to find a way to tie it a little bit more together because you have metal at the top I understand probably some concern about costs and such but just trying to look at the way the code reads is you need to you know match your existing building side so looking at it I was trying to find a way in my comments to just maybe match that a little bit better um than having happy brick with metal at top and any other new large building addition being tilt up construction so just something I thought was um kind of a middle ground maybe a cost effective way to tie the two together and that's what might where my comments were going as it related to that um and then just signature block for uh approvals on your final set of plans so do recommend um plinary plan approval just uh being cognizant of the the need to go to the board of zon appeals for that variance okay um Mr jly yeah thanks chairman uh you guys probably have seen my memo I only had three comments on there they're all items that can be handled uh later during the administrative review of the detail plan so uh first uh we do require a a wetland delineation or at least uh you know a walk through by Wetland scientist to verify we don't have any Wetlands on the site I have a feeling it'll come back clean but we don't know for sure at this point so please make sure you submit that with your your next

submitt here to the building department as Brian mentioned uh storm water management you show a preliminary Pond there by the entrance so that's a good thing uh obviously we'll review those CS in detail when you make your your detail submitt to the building department we do also uh have a long-term storm water inspection and maintenance agreement uh that you guys will have to execute as part of your your final permitting just to ensure that you inspect and maintain the pond on an annual basis uh it's required of every development in the city and then uh last it wasn't specifically shown on there uh I would think that the new paved areas parking truck turnaround would be curved uh we would need to see that on the the final PL was this covered otherwise I'm good chairman we can all right we can give approval pending all of that and our final review of course Mr Smith yeah so um my comments were that the size of the building require Sprinklers and extension of the fire alarm and then possibly including another fire fire hydrant back I don't know how far what the distance is but I think it's going to require that and I don't know if your existing risers are going to support the rest or you'll have to add an additional Riser but that's going to have to be calculated by okay I know it was looked at yeah it will be yeah come up yeah those are the comments just extension of those fire safety things in there as far as indoor storage of pallets I mean it's regulated by the code as far as how much you know how high and all that right I mean it can be done I mean some places do but other places have an outsite okay Mr Hall anything

no all right uh commission uh do you have comments did anybody mention Pam we got a Pam SCH I I didn't hear anybody talking about it or do we need to talk about we can touch on it I think a little bit um I think there's been some some some discussions with the administration I think regarding the building um and and what could be you know what it'll look like and things like that but SC did you have any yeah I just had a question I guess how did you guys land on what like the design of this in terms of tying into the existing because it doesn't I mean the way the code readed it's supposed to be harmonious and simar materials and I guess the two don't talk to each other and again like with what we're looking at too here I mean the colors don't even aren't even matching up in your renderings if well if you zoom in that's a PDF if you zoom in do you have samples or do you have any kind of colors or anything like that like what those colors are provide that okay yeah and I guess how the intent is that the color we'll be matching color will be matching um horizontal elevations of all that um we're not matching the material the pre-cast building is a is a more durable product for him it's a better product for him he'll have a better longevity so in his best interest that's that's what we would propose to do okay and not do the metal building well the Metal's only up at the upper part your bottom part where it seems like your more concern would be is is your masonry in your existing building so again going back to my comment about where did you drive to not it was it just a decision of what your end needs are or well yeah but it is a stronger building overall you know we want to go stronger it's

it's it's a little easier to put together and it's it's overall better you know I don't disagree I just just a masonary block I don't disagree I think it's more comes down to the architecture that it doesn't it it's not harmonious it's not the way the code reads it doesn't also realization of where this building is industrial CAC it's screened by the building in front of it there's not a real good place to see this addition we provided that Landscaping on the North side to conceal that transition and as you can see we do it first class you know we're we're putting it together the match the best we can with the colors the best we can we'll you know well again you can see we're trying to do it as as as Harmon as possible but the the the masonary Block it's just not very durable it doesn't hold up as well it's pre-cast is just it's stronger the the paint is another concern though because the paint doesn't always hold up as durable and lasts as long so I guess what your the maintenance plan for that is like as that's starts to you know flake off the building or come off the building how is that going to be maintained is it going to is there a maintenance plan to repair pain like if anything like that's happening yeah we don't let anything you know look at our current building keep up on it okay it's common these buildings are repainted 10 12 years okay mide I'm okay with it given its location there is residential there but I'm familiar with that area I mean there's a very high Mound with a railroad tra you can see would be more concerned if it was in a different location but you can see it a little bit from the street I did drive by and I did you kind of a street view you kind of see where this will go from the street

but and I guess one of Pam's other comments was the HVAC units where are those all being located they'll be on the roof okay are they going to be screened then well they'll be like the current ones are the current ones are on the roof yeah they're not screen but the code currently states that they have to be screened we're going to screen the ones in the back of the building not the on in the FR it's an existing n conforming condition the way they are today but then the code the way it reads right now is that they would have to be screened I'm just going off of what Pam's comments are here and I also read through the read through the um because we don't have any responses on these so where are they you know roughly where they're sitting on the building yeah there may not be a problem that was going to be my other comment was that from visibility from a if they're sitting in the center they may not be an issue but they probably will be I mean you want them Central because right spread out yeah because I it's a large building I don't know what's the length of that you know one of those sizes but far enough in that it's not visible I mean that the building itself could be consider the screen I guess if they are going to be visible I think that's when yeah I think we just need to understand that because we we've had that problem before we can make a point of get in central okay okay that would probably the screening could be the edge of the building but I guess that would be something we'd like to see is is make those not visible you could um show a perspective on your next plan iteration for final plan just to show what the visibility from the ground level looks like okay the problem sorry I was say probably cure the issue yeah and I was going to

say part of the problem is is if we allow we don't you know we just kind of let this pass through but then somebody else comes through and has the same issue and we make them screen it it becomes where we allow one and do allow another so it's just it's an understanding to make sure we've covered those bases and then the same thing um how is the Outdoor Storage going to be uh screened is that chain link still or did you are you proposing something different well we propos the chain link if I read anyone there that board on board is preferred and we're happy to do that if that's okay that's how you want yeah I appreciate it I meant to uh mention that as an outstanding comment so the board on board will be just more aesthetically pleasing out in the front like that sure dumpster dumpster dump no we got rid of those a while ago you know I mean we had six of them cardboard was blowing all over the place so we now compact all our cardboard bundle it and actually get a little money for the cardboard now instead of just throwing it away so there's no dumpsters back there just a compactor okay uh do you anticipate going to bza for the parking yes [Applause] okay I think you we're looking we're looking for preliminary approval tonight and I think the lay out the you know you're green to the fence you're going to look into the the parking thing you're going to try and locate the uh utility units on the middle of the building um I think it'd be nice if you could bring the colors that you're you're proposing and you know I know like like I see what you do say you know this PDF you do zoom in looks like the intent was to match colors it looks much different out here I get zooming in zooming in zooming in I'm like okay these were supposed to be matching I think having the colors listed on there would be sure

would be just as oppos it's painted we're going to need at least to have that just from a record standpoint that it is going to match existing too and the the final plan approval does require that so you'll have to have the you know the color elevations like you do now with all the color spelled out material spelled out um that's that's required of the final plan approval and then just a curiosity was there no way to flip the windows on the the new Tilt up to have them down on the bottom like the existing elevations the Bottom's not windows they're vents yeah so those are vents oh those are actually they call it out as such oh lers yeah so those windows came about discussion with Pam that she wanted to break up that wall somehow so we put some windows in and in all honesty I think now let's steeve speak for himself I don't think he wants the windows there we did cuz the current ones didn't have it so then all of a sudden someone was saying well then you should put new windows in the old I said why is not going to install Windows in the old section just so we can have Windows in the new I'll just eliminate Windows all together so orig we we were doing this without any Windows back there I think that's probably more consistent with the existing construction without the window and you don't need the vents in the new section like you had in the old okay I mean here's an idea too done just from like a cost standpoint I guess if you don't need the windows what if you were just to uh I guess since you are painting the building just paint kind of a little square and kind of to keep that repetition going down so it it has that appearance so to say but then you can save on the cost of the windows and not have to put the glass in there I mean if you don't need them um but it's different from the mdal sighting of the existing building I'm saying put them on the lower portion do them on the lower part so it kind of keeps that repetition

going down the line just so that it looks cuz I I can kind of I guess I see where Pam's coming from but putting them up top then kind of unbalances it but if you were just to kind of create a little we could do that you know detail for lack of a better term but detail in the in the panel to make it appear that way and then just painted that color of like the luers again around the building it gives that kind of that same appearance okay yeah honestly if you if you're moving them down there's not too many of them I mean there some of them look like they're lining right up with the doors and then you don't have it in the dock here there's only five only really doing five maybe there's the other side yeah there the doctors and stuff so yeah just something to investigate it may not look right once you do it we'll look at yeah look at yeah uh Mr France if we want to pass this along for preliminary approval do uh we need to mention some of these specific things um yeah I would say um specifically you want to make it uh approval subject to the staff comments um with the exception that the uh tilt Up's acceptable um but you want the materials all documented on the next of the plans materials colors um and having samples brought in and um are open to the windows being removed in in place of having some detail on the lower level to carry the appearance of the metal louvers on the lower level the existing building yeah I

think it's again if you're just putting them and put them in there's no I think they look nice up there but again if you don't need them then there's no point right just to break up the building facade I think we definitely I agree with Pam I think it would help so I I also just have one other quick question I guess in regards to the metal is there any way I'm just trying to think of just again to alleviate you know issues for like later on down the road and just in terms of like somehow carrying that metal every once in a while along that new facade I don't even know if that's going to look right just to kind of again create that harmonious effect or just tie the two together still keeping it pre-cast I'm just I'm kind of just trying to find a happy medium here or just try to think through this a little bit but it it may not work either I mean that's why we tried to just match the paints to to carry on the the darker on the lower and the lighter on the the top at some point you start drawing more attention to the fact that you're you're not continuing on I think we're just trying to keep this as background not drawing attention to it you're talking about the front part of the building where the office is no you're talking about the the West Side the South Side Well Northwest East or Northwest and South sides the one the west elevation I guess

I'm probably because that one really isn't visible from any real point it's more they'll at our neighbors and they're not even close to matching it's more the North and South could we trying I was just trying to think of a happy medium in there but there might just not be one at the end of the day I guess you know think about it if there's something yeah yeah just give it some consideration there may not be and and that's at that point might be um possibly just sort of beefing up the the Landscaping in that um that middle green space in between the expansion area maybe if you beef that up with some more vertical Landscaping that it might catch the eye Landscaping versus the the building yeah CU When we are looking at these when we're really seeing like we're physically obviously you're you're you're only seeing like the elevations themselves and I know you have a few trees interspersed in there but maybe Mr Friend Is Right that some additional Landscaping would help kind of hide that transition so to say and maybe it's it's heavier in that connection piece and then as it goes back it just kind of filters off so it almost looks like maybe there's two buildings there there's really not two buildings we all know but I guess I'm just trying to find a way to help it blend just a little bit better again certainly look at the land it helps it it just the concern I think um is just you know what happens when another group wants to do an addition to and there's really doesn't match we've set a precedent so how do we how do we

help blend it and also not you know at the end of the day give you what's the best material for you and I I do agree tilt up is a better material it's more solid so miss she might have some thoughts on that well I was going to say of noticing that they did concentrate a lot of the Evergreen or you you concentrated evergreen trees at those transition points which is absolutely the most appropriate material instead of you know low Landscaping so um I was yeah I was actually kind of you know during this discussion pleased to see and if you look at our current Landscaping we I think it was three or four years ago we had the whole place totally redone um we're very very proud of what is and we'll continue that around the other side of the building you look to be very meticulous which is good um I I did want to call out like two species that might want to be replaced um Colorado Blue Spruce any new ones you put in there's a what's it called a needle cast disease that um Blue Spruce are suffering right now un I got them in my yard they're all they're all dying got they're Dy might want to consider replacing those with a vanderwolf pine it'll still bring that bluish um tone that'll you know offs out other ouber grains very nicely okay um Barberry has unfortunately been added to the invasive species list a couple years ago um I don't love them because they they're Leaf collectors anyway so there's some nice nine barks that would get you that same radish effect fact good compact shrub and then the crab apple I wanted to ask if you're you know as long as you're willing to keep up with the suckering at the base if not maybe consider a different um ornamental tree otherwise the plant L look good to me okay good thank you anything else from the

commission no no further question all right I'll I got some notes here I'll take a stab at this uh see if I catch everything um like to recommend preliminary approval subject to the staff comments um noting that the Tilt up construction is acceptable Susan no when okay uh colors and materials to be documented uh investigate the elimination of the windows in exchange for the painted blocks on the lower half wait for n that's okay take your time got it all right and uh the use of board on board fence instead of chain link there is dumster I didn't know if we respond to that um is there a second I'll second okay uh any more discussion I know you've got the her thoughts on the the Landscaping suggestion bza thing be part of the motion you need to mention the bza you you adopted the staff Momos by by notation and it's clear the applicant shaking his head they intend to go for a variance and then I think I heard you say on as it related to the exploring the painted blocks as you call Un building that was to simulate the appearance of metal lbers that are on the existing lower half of the other main building okay yes just for the record that's what you're trying to do we say investigate if it doesn't look right it's okay like yeah we don't want to make it look like there's like little

exactly random blocks T that's not the intent it was to kind of that Havey meaning if you don't need the windows get rid of them right somehow try to simulate that I guess okay all right any more discussion all in favor thank you very much appreciate your time thank you very much don't think we have any other issues back to third Tuesday or third Monday next month um did did you did you take formal action last time on the sign stuff did you pass that along or I think yeah we did because we that was the percentage was the only thing that we comed on I just want to make sure it didn't if we did that or not we did I'm showing my age that's all just saying the same thing about yeah I mean all you you turn 40 what are you going to do excuse me are you new to this commission you know my age I Mo be a jur second yeah we are still in favor