City Council - Regular Meeting

One of those things, statistics will say what you want them to say if you look at them. One of the trends I wanted you to look at is which ones are not doing anything because we still need LDR1, we still need the LDR2, we still need the high density, but what is not happening at all in our city at this point. And that brought us to the first part. So Kyle, if you will open up the the sheet. Do we have that open? The first one. long enough. I think that's the one. I have to get you the one that has the challenge. What was the pro?

That's a pro zone that we had and we did one project with it and that is Hemings Village. The very first one they come in and designed one specifically for just that. Okay. to bring it in to do a test of does this work for formbased co. All right. Thank you.

It's it's just sat in reserve until we got form base that would actually replace it.

You should have received copies of them. They should. So this would in that would have been in that and that's why I wouldn't be reading that. Okay, there was a lot to read. There was and that's why we have this. I just looked for red and green. Okay, let's scroll through till we hit the first change.

Okay, hold it right there. This is what is in our code that says here's the designations for our zoning and which one of the classifications within the comprehensive plan that it fits. So when you see this the ones you're seeing crossed out are the ones that we're going to be discussing tonight. Okay. So in the commercial RBD is residential business district. We have two lots and they are up here just above I can't remember the name of the physical therapy but it's it's Dr. Fulmer's old office right on Main Street up towards the hospital and the one next to it. They're the only two in the whole city and it was a zone that was developed way back to kind of make it so we almost a mixed use where we can have residential use or we can do commercial in the same spot. We proposed once of removing this and taking it to commercial and we had citizens come out and just basically shoot it down completely. And so we looked at that and says okay it doesn't fit what they want to do. We will get into what we want to propose that as we get a little further but we want it to go away and look at moving it into a mixed use which would require residential and commercial. So then it would fit more of what they're trying to do in that situation. So if we get to that point, low density three, this was mentioned in our last time when we were trying to reszone on the birch property that you guys felt, some of you did that LDR3 should be in inter low residential rather than intermediate so that we could get a cap on that before we jumped into medium density and then on up into the higher densities. So that's one of the proposals we're looking at is just moving that into the the low residential.

The only the only thing I worry about Go ahead. Is this Brianna? I think so. Yeah. Can you hear me? Yeah. Yes. Are we discussing it now? I just wanted to mention that when I got on the council, we had the LDR3 with the LDR1 and two. Um we've we've tried that and what happened was then it was really hard to have unattached housing in any um zone because then they would build to the town houses um that were in LDR3. So there we we've tried that and there was a reason that we put it with MDR but we have attached housing in our low residential.

Yeah. But but they're twin they're twin homes right? I'm just saying in the meeting. I I I I just wanted to let you know that I wanted everyone in the room to know this has happened. We have addressed it. There was a reason because either either place you put it, you're going to have problems. So, we we've had it in we've already tried putting it in with the other two. I just wanted to make sure everyone in the room knew that if you weren't here when that happened.

Sound. But we've we've actually we've tried the other and now we've tried this and it's come back to bite us several times in the last couple years since we changed it big time also. So I guess there's a lot of thought that needs to go into that but we just it was it was debated on whether we wanted to change it or not. We ended up doing it but I not sure that that was the best thing to do. Let's do this. We'll get through this because this is just listing what changes we're proposing. Then we'll get into each zone and as we do those then we can discuss do we want to do that or not.

So that was proposal there. One of the things we're looking is removing R1 and taking RR2 change it to residential two residential estate with a halfacre minimum. Remember that's a halfacre minimum. They can build them as big as they want. So if they want one acre, they want two acres. That was my question. I definitely don't want to lose the R2. No, because like I say, you look at Pine Brook State that seems completely full more. You look at some of these other we have very little RR2 and a lot of the ones that are permanent the sec the second or third home where they want to get into that and have a shop, the garden and stuff, there's nothing out there.

Yeah. And we want to keep that. We want that opportunity for those that want larger lots, want to be able to put a shop in the back and have those things. Uh so we don't want it to go away. We also don't want the ability to go away of people to go to a bigger one if they want one acre lots. And the thing to realize is our lot sizes in all of them are minimums. We do not set maximums on any of our lots. So you can do an LDR3, you can do an HDR1, you can do a 100 acres and put one unit on it. We don't limit that. So now maybe we do in the future, but right now it's never been a problem. Erin,

so that the Yeah. The challenge of building a Pine Brook in today's world with curb gutter, sidewalk, storm drain, you're looking minimum 200,000 a lot minimum. So I think is this gonna is residential estate contemplating curbon gutter or is it open curbon gutter? It it is ribbon curb ribbon uh ribbon. Yes. Just well and in pine that's why we got a pine brook. We just got that strip of concrete at the edge of the pavement. But it does require sidewalk. You require sidewalk in our R2. Yes.

Which I may have a little heartburn with that. going if if if that's because there are some you know acre full acre lot there are just areas that well I don't know maybe that's more out of the county I'm thinking

you run into the issue and I've seen this before when you wander some of these RR1s you still have people out walking the roads trying to you know just go for a walk in the neighborhood or kids trying to ride bikes and that it does put them at a little more risk to be out in the roadway rather than have a sidewalk to walk on. And we have very few areas. You only the only ones you really have is the original Willowbrook and Pine Brook One. Those are the only two that are RR1 in our city and Whittison and Whittison. Sorry, I keep forgetting Whittison. And they don't have sidewalks. Would it be advantageous for you guys to have sidewalks? Not a dead end street.

No, that's true, too. It's it works. I mean, a little bit of walking down there. You don't have enough traffic. You don't have enough there. But if it was a through street, would that be different? It could be. Depends on how wide the street is. I don't know. I I sometimes debate I mean, I like the sidewalks, but even in my subdivision, you know, my wife and all of her friends go out walking in the morning, and they don't walk on the sidewalk. They're walking the road because there's 10 of them, you know. So the object is is what about children? Yeah, they ride their bikes in the street mostly. Some of them do. Actually, they drive their golf carts in the street.

Well, we're not going down that road. That's a Anyways, let's roll on through. Keep moving through. Can I ask a question? So, with that um residential estate that I don't know, rural state, what are we calling it? Resial estate. Estate. Is that separating it from the rest will be tag? Then is that what that tag will be your next lowest one? The next lowest one. So instead of having that R2 or R1 together, we're just combining those two and then tag. Yes. Okay. Yeah. We're not changing tag, it stays the same. And tag does not require sidewalks. Yeah. And they and we've got a change that we're going to propose in that one, but we're not taking it away. And we're not requiring sidewalks in there either.

Just because right now we still have that in the city, but when we don't have it in the city, then that can change things as well. Is that what I'm hearing? So what's what's driving that change? Nobody wants Nobody wants R1's. The city has never resone to R1 ever. What's the minimum acreage in R1? One acre. One acre limit. Okay. One acre. Nobody wants seems to want. Now you're looking at me like Allan. You're feeding me a line here because we have our every single R1 that the city has was inherited from the county. Yeah. Nobody has ever asked to reszone to R1 in the city.

Yeah. But you do have a couple of neighborhoods that will probably come into the city that are full acre lots. Exactly. and they'll come in as residential estate. Yeah, they're not going to like that. It isn't going to matter. They're not going to make them change anything. I'm thinking of Quail Hollow. Of course, they're fighting to even be considered taken into the city. I know, but it'll happen one day. Well, I'm just I'm just saying that that's one. Why Why would they Why would they not like that designation over Well, I mean, probably sidewalks and curb gutters, too big. I think they already have curb, don't they? ribbon curb. No, no, they don't.

I didn't know if they did. So, if if they become become part of this residential estate, does that mean they're going to have to change? Not until they sell their house. So, when the house is sold, then it will need to change, be brought up to the current standards. We require sidewalks at that point. See, that that's where it come and you're talking about full acre lots, lots of frontage. It's going to be a real expensive expensive So, I've got some a little bit of hard there. We'll we'll we'll address it as we go. Okay. Okay.

Um, this is the residential. We're just pulling it out of these zones in the districts if we if we decide to go that direction. And it's just showing that. Keep on going, Kyle. That's the RBD one. Uh, row residential there. This one, we're going to scroll through it quick. This is just what would be removed out of our permitted uses if these changes go into effect. So, we can go clear through all the permitted uses. We just want to show you everything when you look through this that would change. Keep going all the way through. I think your first one is uh

and another thing changing on star one too. Just throw this back out while you're scrolling down. The livestock things you have on that still in there. It does just in LDR3. Everything else stays the same. Uh, no. Once you get up into medium, we don't allow livestock. Comfort donkey. Comfort. Comfort. Hey, don't laugh. I know somebody that has a a comfort horse in an apartment. and an apartment. Okay, keep going down.

This is just in the parking. It would change. Keep going.

Okay, again, this just home business. We're just removing them if they get changed. Now, we're starting into the first one. And this just basically says if you choose to move forward, our R1 would just disappear out of the code. So everything's blanked out on that one. So I guess before you get into R2, now we need to have the discussion on R1. Reasons for keeping it. No sidewalks, no curb. Well, the new ones would have to have curb. That's what I'm saying.

So you got to look at the future of new ones would have to have curb. they just would not have to have sidewalks. So that's the one disadvantage. What are the advantages of taking them into the residential estate currently? Is there a difference between when it comes to livestock? Is there a difference between between the two? Okay. So that would nothing there changes. So the only difference we have in here is the sidewalk. So, a new new zone coming in, if they come in and ask for our residential estate, they would have to put a sidewalk. They would have to put the ribbon curve in. That's the only difference. Sidewalk alone.

And you got some of them acre lot, acre, twoacre lots. My acre lot's two acre lot. It's anybody can resone for two acre lots anymore. But once they sell, oh have to put it in. Then you have to put it in because you're in the new zoning. That's the heartburn. That's Now we could put a a clause in there that says you're grandfathered in and we don't require you to add the sidewalk. Just drop sidewalk. Or we could drop sidewalk. What if I don't like that in when they get down to halfacre once? Why not? You're in a city and most people expect sidewalks.

Yeah, but Just from quite a few people that call and go, "Why aren't there sidewalks here?" Yeah, it's a safety It's a safety issue. I'm I'm on halfacre. I prefer sidewalk for all the kids. I prefer sidewalk. You have You have sidewalks, right? In your You have sidewalks in your subdivisions. Yeah. We don't have curb. We will we will we will completely eliminate the possibility of having large blocks inside the city. they won't they won't be able to afford it because you're going to have to you know if if you got

I'm just thinking of areas that are adjacent to the city for example like maybe up on Vanderbilt's Manners same thing you know his his acorage up there um you know if I could see he I could see maybe wanting to develop when you say estates, you know, estates, something that's, you know, a a larger larger lot that they could um and and we eliminate that as a possibility in the city limits. Practically, we would eliminate because of the cost. Can I ask a question? Sure.

Too. Oh, sorry. Are you still talking? I'm so sorry. It's so hard when I can't see. Um, haven't we already had LIS where we've required someone with a halfacre lot to put in sidewalk? That I wouldn't know for sure, but probably I'm sure we have. I mean, I don't feel like this is new. We've already been requiring residents to to do it. I know some of those lots are bigger. We did back off on those on Seventh South because they were the oneacre lots.

Yeah. I I just I think this is part of a bigger problem um that you know we're trying to look at right now because I as much as I hate less because I I really do but if we don't have sidewalk connectivity as our city expands we're going to be shooting ourselves in the foot because how are we ever going to connect all our sidewalks if we you know so I think both sides of that and we've already had residents with bigger lots and we've we've required them to put in sidewalk. We've already done this.

I don't see a downturn just to leave R1 on there. Who cares if they if they don't apply for it? We're not losing nothing by leaving it there. We're not I mean what are we ganging to really put it take it off other than other than when you look at when we start annexing these other neighborhoods out further out like up by Hibbert and out when we start those big neighborhoods all them and then they're going to fight being annexed because of some of this and if we just leave it in there it was really hurting that type of neighborhood. That's a possibility. Is there a Well said.

Is there a is there a um maybe a standard to which we could determine when sidewalks are are needed? Like maybe some kind of a traffic count number or something because you get like some of these you like Quillhollow or some of these subdivisions that are like a loop or they're not really high traffic, you know, where I don't know. Sometimes I I look at some of these. My daughter lives in Salt Lake and uh she lives in a subdivision that there's not a lot of traffic. There's no it's an older subdivision up there on the hill and and there's no sidewalks and I don't know. It just doesn't seem like it's that big of a deal. But, you know, I don't know. I just wonder if sometimes we're, you know, we were we are saying, well, it's a safety thing, but is it really? I mean, you know, when you've got these really low traffic areas that just don't have a whole lot of traffic through them. I don't know. I'm just I'm just throwing that out. I'm not necessarily advocating for it. I'm just throwing

You got a halfacre lots, then you then you got a certain density of of people. Yeah. That I think probably would require silos. Yeah. But when you get to a full acre lot or larger, um it just doesn't make a lot of then then the density is so is is so low that you know sidewalk is not you know it's not as big of a safety issue. So can I ask you a question on that? Who's going to build on a lot more than an acre? One or two acres? What what people are buying those in in town in town, especially within the city that

nobody obviously we haven't we haven't done any for that. And how many R2s have we done? Well, you go back on they're all filled up because of that because nobody wants to do another one. And Aaron, why is the reason nobody's doing our R2s? The market to me that's not too expensive. To me, that's not true here because you go to Idle Falls, they have the bigger lots. You go to NA, they have the bigger lots. It's just you get the next generation up. You get two or three generations up. So what's happening in our community? What's happening in our community that they're not building in the city? So well they're filled up what we have. So eventually it possibly will. That's part of it. But what's the biggest reason? They go build outside the city in the county.

They go to Burton. They go to Archer because they don't have to follow the rules and the land's cheaper. But I go back to what I said earlier. What is it problem just leaving it there? It's not changing. We're not in we're really not doing anything different other than as we annex it's definitely going to influence when we bring in the hibbert or we bring in qual we bring in those other ones it's definitely going to cause a massive push back which if they don't want to come in great stay out well that's not true because I was forced to annex in I know some will be some won't you know even though and that's the risk we face

when I said it I mean it was a force annex it wasn't pass. It was You're coming in all a sudden then you're going to require me to do all this other stuff because we changed the code. That's what I'm saying. It's not a problem. Just leave it there. It's not hurting. Buyer would have to. What? You wouldn't have to. The buyer would have No, I was the one that was here. Here's the thing that happens. Would it be the buyer that would have that? What we say is when that land comes up for sale, we tell the buyer, you have to put the sidewalk in. He's going to go back to the seller and say lower his price. And and the issue of curb curb and gutter in those established neighborhoods, you can't do that without redoing the road.

You can if you're careful. They can come in and do a ribbon curve and just put it at the edge. They've done it before. But so here's the challenge. Should we put curbs in our R1 ribbon curve? Why do we put ribbon curb in? Does anybody know, Jim? It stops the grass. Stops the grass from growing in. It stops those edges from crumbling. So it's a protection for our roads. So please don't ever put any curving up on the hill anymore. Full curb. Full curb on the hill. Not on not in front of me. It's really I know. I says we need a full curb.

Then we need drains for it to go into that real quick. How important that is. So in RR1 there's no ribbon curve at all right now. I believe it has it does not it has ribbon curve now it just does not have sight but we're not enforcing that that if they sell their home obviously when they come in and rebuild the road the le will put it in which then the citizen pays for it personally I I agree with Col and I don't see any reason why we don't just leave it in it gives an option whether it's whether it's used or not

is, you know, it may never be used, but at least it's an option for somebody to, you know, that's got more money than cents to, you know, build two acre lots in the middle of the city. You know, it's an option. Build it. But if it never gets used, why do we have it for the just for that possibility? Brianna, you had a question or a comment. Oh, I was saying I want to make sure I'm following because I can't um you know, some of I think I'm missing. But so are Colin and Eric saying just to leave those so that we wouldn't have to make the 1acre lots put in sidewalk. Correct. No, no, just leave it as an option.

No, I that's a I agree with you because I think I mean like if we ever make people annex in and then we make them pay for that much sidewalk, it's just like those bills are going to be so huge. So I see a difference too between the halfacre and the acre. Like I agree with what you were saying that those acre lots may not be in highly trafficked areas. Okay. I say it doesn't hurt. Okay. These are the reasons we bring it to you guys because you're the ones who are going to make the decisions on. You're also the ones you're going to face the people when they come screaming and hollering at you for making them put aside.

So what I'm hearing from you is leave our R1 alone. Okay. Let's move on to our now. Can we change the name to residential estate one and residential estate two? We are no longer rural. We're not a rural country. I don't care. Well, a state most people when you get to a larger one, they're looking at a state. Okay. And I I searched the web and just says, "What do you call larger lots in a city?" And that was one that almost consistently come up from different cities. what they call who was dumb enough to buy a halfacre lot on a

corner R2 R2 requires R2. Yes. So that's a halfacre. No, it's good to ask. This is the time to ask if you're not sure, not quite sure. Quick one. Can you grandfather in and make new required with sidewalk and curb? So, I like what Vince is saying because the last time we met to do this and we were talking about people and businesses downtown, I remember specifically asking, so when someone buys a new business, they don't have enough parking for their business and that's when you said they're grandfathered in.

So, I think there's an idea there that could be a possibility. Yes. Yes, it could be. That would be something that you could say, let's take the RR1 out. But if you come into the city in oneacre lots, you're grandfathered. As you come in, you're grandfathered that way. Be because we do that for our businesses. We do. We do it in a lot of things.

We do it in a lot of things. If you if you have a business established and it does not meet current code, I cannot force you to bring it up to code unless you spend more than 50% of the value of that property. So then you have to stay in it. Now, that's even with life safety. If you have a house that does not have egress windows in the basement and it's been built since 1940, I can't come in and make you put egress windows in. Is that because of our code currently? No, that's just state law. I can't Oh, is it a state law? I I don't know if it's state law, but it is one of those things. We can't force you to come in. Not a Soviet state. Now,

another another argument. Sure. No, but um comment like like for example, we reszoned uh Bruce Shirley's property right there at the end of Moody Road. Yes. To a five or six oneacre lots, if I remember eight eight oneacre lots. It's in a it's it's in a little compact area. Asking them to put sidewalks in. They have to anyways. Why are three? because you just reszoned it LDR3 and it's going to town homes. Did we? Oh, okay.

Diaz is on the end of Moody Road Max Shirley's property. They they reszoned it and went to eight and then a guy come in and bought it and he reszoned it to LDR3 so that he could put town homes on that. Oh, so I'm gonna Can I say a couple things? I called Megan when we were doing the I don't know her last name now. It's not coming to me. When we did the comprehensive plan and she came in when they came and helped us from Colorado Megan Moore.

Um and I I asked her what our goal was again, like remind me what the goal is for a city and what a city needs to look like. And one of her comments was the the sidewalks need to be interconnected from from neighborhood to neighborhood, hoping people will either ride their bikes or walk the sidewalk instead of using the road as an as an option. And so sidewalks are necessary when we live in a city. So just keeping that part in mind because then that could save our roads a little bit if people are able to walk to if they have a place to go buy their groceries or whatever they have the option of walking in a in a safe way like that. So just something about sidewalks just to keep in mind. So I know understand I understand neighborhoods and things but this is something to keep in mind for um there need to be that trail sidewalk situation throughout a city. That's part of of an element of a city that is a good working city is what she told me. So, that one thing. Another thing you had asked, well, nobody's buying the R our R2 or want the lots that big or whatever our ones or whatever. Um, in Rexburg, and I looked it up just a few weeks ago, in Rexburg, I checked the census, we have in our single family dwelling homes. That's the only thing I looked at was that in the census, um, 25% are homeowner occupied, 75% of them are rented.

So, if I looked anywhere other places, Pocutello, Idaho Falls, I looked other places, it was flipped. So, we're backwards on stability as far as homeowners occupying their homes. So, when you ask why aren't we getting that, it's because we're renting out everything that we're building to college students. And it can it could be to college students. It could be to to other people. But if we're 75% 25%, that's a huge difference.

And so, for stability in a community, what do we need to have in community? So again, I asked Megan about that and she said in each little pocket within a onem radius, it's good to have all of the different zones in it so that if someone wanted to move to that zone, they could move from house to house and stay in the same neighborhood if they wanted to. Somefield's a prime example. So Summerfield would be an example of that. Town home to twin homes to full-sized homes and larger full-sized homes with the exception of there's not an LDR1 necessarily. It's all LBR2 and three. Yes. So, and it allows all forms of single family residences.

Yes. Yes. It does. So, I think that's why we nobody's asking for that too is because it's not being built. Developers who come in aren't wanting to build or sell land so people can build like that. Developers build to the demand. So, and so that's what and and where the pencil makes sense. It's got to pencil out, right? Some of you were involved, not everybody, in the reszone up in Hidden Valley above where Jim lives. They went to LDR2. They were granted that. They went and ran their numbers and they walked away from the project. They say we can't make a pencil.

If you're going to develop oneacre lots, it's punitive to build them in the city. You're just going to go and do it in the county. Yes. There's there's no reason to spend all that money extending water, sewer, and storm when you can do well subt. And that's the reason why we're not building 1acre lots in the city because of that. Cost. Yeah. It's the cost. So that's the reason. It's not because people don't want it because I do believe that people want to have space for whatever stage their family is in at the time. They want to be able to move from stage to stage to stage and then they may land back where they started in a starter home. That's one level where we don't have stairs. Yeah. But but that's the reason.

So it's it's not because people don't want it, but it's because that's what pencil won't give us. They don't want it within this. Are you are you arguing for sidewalks? Sidewalks in RR1. I I uh not or doing away with RR1 or what are you arguing?

Oh, I am just giving information for one. Okay. Just giving information. And then for two, I really like the idea that Vince stated. If we can if we can put a a grandfather clause in this spot for these people, maybe they've lived there for forever or whatever. That's and then this could be an option. But then also, we need to remember that I mean, I'm looking at right across from us at Willowbrook. We've got the big field right there behind Somerville to the south. It would really be nice for there to be a sidewalk along that whole thing so the kids could actually walk to school. right now there's not a sidewalk for him to walk to school. So it's not safe especially on that front and zone that as R1 you would not get a sidewalk.

So So that's the thing is if if that if that front became um an RR1 that someone wanted it for that which they don't because it doesn't pencil it and most likely won't be that. But if it became that and there's a safety then I think we need to start looking at sidewalks when we're looking at roads where children are walking. So, let's look at Give me just a second, Bill. No problem.

If you look at Pinebrook, um Pine Brook's sitting on the edge of our city now. There's some development around it that's outside the county and everything else. Future is there's plans for that to develop. Aaron's working to the west. There's stuff happening that way. There's stuff to the northwest that's being discussed. These are all properties that are looking to come in. Before long, Pinebrook is going to be in the center of a large city because as Hibbert's growing out, you have two developments going to the north that have one's been approved, the other one's in front of P&Z for the county. They're going in at less one or less acres. Some of them are coming in at 3/4 of an acre and the county's allowing them to do

eventually that septic tanks. What's that? Septic tanks and 3/4 of an acre. Heights. They let him count. They let him count the road. Department let him do that. They let him count the roads. In their acreage. Oh, is that how they get that's how they got away with it? We don't allow that. And so what what I'm trying to get at is eventually there's going to be people on the north side of Pinebrook walking through Pine Brook to go to the golf course or to visit friends and everything else. It's not going to stay this enclave all by itself in a county. Yeah. But I wonder

they if they're walking like you saying from north to the golf course or down towards Hbert or whatever, they're walking along 12 West. And so I agree. I think we need to have a good sidewalk system for walking on along the main roads for biking, things like that. But I guess I'm I I'm not a total convert to the fact that we need sidewalks in the subdivisions where it's just very low traffic. I agree with that. I mean, I don't know. I I like the looks of them, but I don't know if it's necessar

that's designed to connect to the north. Yeah. So, you're going to have people driving through there. And it's going to become a traffic zone and you're going to have more people coming through. Yeah, a little bit. I don't know. I think it depends on what they build there. They may they may if if the movie overpass goes in, they may just bounce over. But you are going to have more people driving in that way. And I'm not arguing for against I'm just trying to explain the and actually I'm not either. I I'm just kind of trying to think through it and go because because it's true the you know the sidewalk requirement is a deterrent. It's a lot of money. In fact, I'm amazed at how much sidewalks cost. Horrendous.

They shouldn't because yard I know. It's just crazy. I'm I'm neutral on all of it. But what the mayor just said just made me think about the costs are only going to go up for sidewalks,

right? Like it's only going to get more expensive. So crash if we don't require that when when they're changing or when they're selling their homes or something, then we're never going to have that connectivity and we're not we got to think long term. So we got to think 10 years from now versus what's going to give them some heartburn right now, but 10 years from now, that's what we keep getting from the citizens is we're not thinking ahead. So, that's just something to keep in mind, too, is that we might need to think ahead and what are the costs going to be 10 years from now when we're when we're doing an L out there. Is it going to be even more expensive than it would be for them to sell their house? I'm just

I guess I guess what I'm trying to think through is I I totally agree that we need sidewalks in, you know, the the hightraic areas, you know, the 7th South, the 12th West, all of those areas where they're kind of main connector roads. But do we really need them within the subdivisions where they don't really I mean they're they're just loops, you know, to get out to to West or things like that? I I I don't know. I would argue that you never know what where a road's going to be coming.

Well, where I live I live on Second North and K Street and people use that all the time to get around Main Street and it's become a main we have traffic all the time and it used to be very quiet and now it's getting really busy over there and that's only been the last two or three years. It's almost a dead end. Yeah, it's almost a dead end and it just so I Well, not really. I mean, you I know exactly because I I do that. I go past your house, past the church. That's where your problem is. My wife getting back to getting back to the question at hand. Yeah, I I feel like that the density makes a difference.

So, when we get to halfacre lots, I totally agree. I think and it it's it's more expensive in a halfacre lot than a quarter acre lot first. But it's but it's twice that to to go to a 1acre lot. Twice the halfacre. So, all I'm saying is I would I would agree that we keep R1 in as an option and then But but then require the sidewalks and everything else and they're already required and everything else, right? Yeah. So that that would be my suggestion. Any more thoughts on that?

I would want to make a decision based on a desire to have 100% connectivity. The mayor on this safety, yeah, but you know, some some need to like connect every single neighborhood to every other single neighborhood. To me, that's that's not our role. I think we have to be responsible to pay for it. Yeah. You got to look at our city and you got to the the fact of the matter is we're a university community. We're going to be I don't care what you say. That's what we'll always be a university community.

Day the university goes away, our city goes away. So, so you have to look at it and you got to draw these circles and you got to say, "Okay, within this you everything has to be sideways. It's got to be connected. You got to be able to get kids from here to there. They don't have cars or they of course everybody brings their car, but but again, you're giving them the option, right? Then you have a second setup. Then you step out a little further and now you go where you've got some people that are going to go out and buy a half anacre lot or whatever. Do we or do we not need the sidewalks there?" And then you go out further and when you're outside of I mean when you're outside of the community where everybody's walking literally walking where she was saying you you're you're walking to the store you're walking to the library you're walking whatever you need sidewalks but if if you if somebody decided and and I I I when you said nobody's doing that of course not when a piece of when a an acre is costing you a million dollars you're not going to put a one house on it, you know, you're just not.

So, well, yeah. Well, there's a few. No, no, no, no. I I understand because I know three of them right now. They're seating three or four. I understand. But uh but still I think you have to uh I I I mean I I agree with some of the statements that have been made here is is when you get out far enough to where you're when you think about a community with halfacre lots um here here here's the thing. Just just go out to Hibbert and and watch are any kids walk into school? The answer is no. parents are all driving them to school. Every single doing that within the city,

right? So, you go it's it's I think we're we're uh yeah, we're not in New York. We're not in San Diego. We're not we're we're in Rexburg and we got to think about that that that our makeup and say, "Okay, what's going to be best for our community?" But I if if if you're in a even in your neighborhood, which I love your neighborhood and doesn't have sidewalks, I I wouldn't make you guys put sidewalks in out there. It does. Too late. We got some Well, part of it does that. Part of it was the original part. Yeah, the original part does not cuz it's our R1.

And the and then the the newer part does. And that's that's kind of part of my thought process is, you know, as we walk around the neighborhood, most people don't don't walk on the sidewalks. They just walk in the street. Okay, we're getting short on time. Let's do this. All in favor of leaving RR1 in and no sidewalks, change the name to residential estate one. Raise your hands. Okay. Stays in. Okay. We're going to then RR2 we will just change it to residential estate too.

Okay. So that's what's happening. Now you'll notice one thing at the head of each one of these. We've run into challenges of people not knowing what their comprehensive plan designation is. So we're going to put it at the heading of each one of those which comprehensive plan zone you're in. So that's why that's in there. And we've done it on every single uh we want to do it on every single zone. you just bold that. Well, it'll be it'll it'll stand out and that'll be the first thing you see under R1. Okay, you're in comprehensive plan low residential. Okay, so we can track that. So that's why that's there. Okay, so that takes care of RR1 and RR2. Let's bounce to LDR1.

Whichever one we have coming up next. We not Where's LDR1? Right there. Right there. Go back. Yeah, this is it. Okay, scroll down. Yeah, right there.

Okay, we cleaned up the the purpose and we made it fit a little better. So, this is just uh Katie's ability to write better than I can. It just cleans up the language. It doesn't change any code. It doesn't change anything other than here's why we have this zone. And we've done that on a couple of them. Again, you have the comprehensive plan designation showing. Uh, this is an LDR2. Same thing. We just rewrote that one. Um, again, when we bring this to you again, you'll be able to look at the the changes you guys have made tonight. So, scroll down a little more. Ellen,

can you just scroll back up for just a second? Sure. When we when we use the term large lot, mediumsiz lot, who defines what that means? What's what's the what's the uh the minimum lot size? That's just a general description. General description. So, there is a definition down below. It'll say here's the exact minimum. Just want to make sure there's there's a def if there's no definition, then it'll Yeah, there is a definition. Alan, did did the legislature pass that where where we have have to allow duplexes and hasn't gone through? Yeah, it hasn't gone through yet. Kind of stalled out. I don't think No, it's back in front of them yesterday. Oh, was it? It stalled out.

It stalled when they brought it out. So, it hasn't died completely. It's back where they're looking at it again. And here's the challenge. If that legislation goes through, you guys lose all power to do anything. I mean literally we'll be doing this again. Any zone can take it to the maximum density you allow in the city. They change your whole city. Well, so there's no zoning. State takes there's no differentiation between L1 or two from TAG all the way to HDR2.

You lose all ability to do it to make any designations on size. You can't you can't regulate the parking other than one per unit. Oh yeah, it's it's ugly. Why are we doing the sponsor? Because I'm hoping it'll fail. Good question. Okay, let's scroll through. What's driving it? Um different. Well, go back to discuss the R3. Yeah, I said go backation.

Yeah, it should have it in there. Go back down. Okay, LD3, this is the one we need to discuss. We're proposing that you take it down into the low residential. Here's the thing you need to look at. Ros low residential is something that is designated for single family residences. Okay. Definition of single family residences are single family detached. Single family attached to and then single family detached or attached two or more. So that takes in single family homes takes in twin homes, duplexes, and town houses. Those are all by the building code single family residences. Okay. So that's why we looked at putting this down into that same area where you're keeping the single family stuff separate from apartment complexes and highdensity apartment complexes. And then it makes it fit where you can go and and I'll bring up Somefield as a prime example. You have town homes, you have twin homes, and you have single family homes in that deal. I think it works well out there the way they have it set up, but it's all single family now. Some of them are a lot more mobile town homes. You have people moving in and out a lot more often. But again, that's the starter home we want our kids to start in. Start in this, start gaining some equity and be able to move into a twin home or move into a single family home. That's the reason why we think it fits better in there. then keep your medium density in that intermediate where we've only got the 16 to 20 units, but those are apartment complexes and they have to build them to apartment complex standards. So, it's a whole different set of plans. High density, we're looking at HDR1, HDR2, and mixed

use. So, now you're getting into those 30 to 42 units that fits your high density. We want to be able to separate those areas and make sure we're not encroaching in some of these areas where we don't want it to. What's the density of LDR3? LDR3 is 10. 10. Yeah. 10 per acre. 10 per acre. I want Brianna to tell us again. Brianna, why did you guys change that? Or what was the problem with the LDR3?

Well, um, and first of all, I I want to say I live in Somerfield, so I I actually enjoy having all types in our neighborhood. I I agree with that. I think it works out really well. But the problem was what we were seeing was people would come in and say that their proposal fit within the comprehensive plan, but they were it was all trending towards town homes because, you know, developers are going to typically try to get the biggest bang for their buck. And so we have then we have no way to make sure that we have unattached housing because then they can put the town houses, you know, it fits in the comp plan. Anywhere you have low density in your comp plan, you can have the town homes. So, you run the risk of having town homes and no unattached housing, but people in this community have to have unattached housing, too. And then I recognize the state might just blow all this up and it's not going to matter anyway. But, but but we tried it and and there's problems on either side, I think. So, that my point was this isn't going to it's not going to fix everything. If you want to stick it back down in low density, you're going to have a different set of problems.

Well, I I agree with you on a lot of that. Um, but there's one factor that comes into play. No matter what that comprehensive plan designation is, city council and PNZ still has the authority to say town homes does not work in this zone. We have all ele one or two. And the prime example is what you did on fifth west where you turned down the change. You just says it doesn't fit here. These are these are single family homes. Why would we come in and allow town homes? You still have that authority. You don't have to give it to them simply because the comp plan says so. You got to have a good reason for saying no, but you do have that power to say no,

right? It's just harder when it fits with the comp plan. It's a lot harder. It is harder. But you have the reverse of that to where if we keep it up in the other one, they may just automatically go to a higher density and we we lose some of that townhouse ability. It's it's one of those you we have the power to drive where that city goes just in the choices you guys make and what you allow. Can we put anything in there? Sorry. It's okay. Can we put anything in there that they have to do a split like Somerville because I can see them come in on LDR3 and go the whole thing all LDR and we can't do nothing about that. Yes, you can. You can say no

with what reason? Well, if it doesn't If it does not fit the location of let's say they come and want to drop an LDR3 in the middle of all LDR1 that's spot zoning and you can say because of spot zoning we don't feel this fits in the community where we have a lot of single family unattached homes this would maybe work better over here I'll bring up incident per property yes they come in right now this would have been zon right now down to this that developer still said no that developer could have put LDR3 in all that whole Yes. And have no detach houses. Correct. But you still have the

Yeah. And it would have been it would have been harder for us to tell them no. So, and then whenever you have, you know, I can just see zone changes. You'll say this fits within our comprehensive plan. We're going to change the zone to LDR3 and we'll lose our LDR1 and our LDR2 because it's it's okay. But you got to come back and look at it. LDR1, two, and three comes back to demand. If nobody's buying LDR1 or two, and they are now. I know they're doing that, but if all of a sudden everybody's going, we're priced out of the market and the only thing we can afford is town homes, they're going to build to that standard. That's what they're the developer is going to try to do. So, with the if there's still a demand for LDR1 or two,

they're still going to sell. It's it's it's a quandry. I agree. Yeah, it's kind of But I think it's it's more dangerous in the intermediate than it is in the other ones. And and why do you say it's more dangerous than intermediate? Because then you're starting to mix LDR3 into multifamily. So now I'm trying to put a single family town home in a whole bunch of apartment complexes. But that's one of the thing was step down, step up that we discussed in the comprehensive plan that that fit which you can do in the low one with the LDR3 in there. You can do that. I haven't I haven't seen that happening. Has that been happening where the town houses are getting pushed to the apartment complexes like you're saying property

for the birch property to do a mix of different types of housing which I think is kind of like what you were talking about Tammy that having that mix of housing so that like Alan said someone likes a neighborhood they can start out in a town home maybe after five or 10 years they build up enough equity they can buy a single family home in the same neighborhood. So I mean that's one of the advantages that way and and that's kind of what they proposed at the first was to have a mix in there.

Well and when you start looking at and this is one of the other issues for another discussion PUDS in our PUD I can come in here and go I want anything from LDR1 all the way up to MDR2 in this PUD and I'm going to mix apartment complexes. I'm going to mix town homes and single family homes or duplexes and I can put it all in one community. That's what Somerfield is. Only they only went to LDR3 as their high-end. That's a PUB. And so that's how they work. But they have to have green space. They have to have the green space though. And that makes a big difference.

Green space only comes into play if they ask for higher densities. If they don't ask for the higher densities, then they just have to have the standard. But most of them want higher densities. They want to put more homes in. The other side of it is is they may want to shrink the footprint of the different lots

so that then they'll put a big park in there with smaller ones in. So changing some of the setbacks and the rules that way is part of a PUD. But if they come in and build it to standards, then they don't have to change anything. It's just we want to combine. We want these type of communities. Somefield did make changes. They did the green space. They did reduce lot sizes. And that was one thing and they have to do a bunch of things to meet that requirement. Alan, say what the PUD is planned unit development. Okay. So you can mix zoning in the same place.

You can mix LDR1, LDR2, LDR3, medium density one and medium density 2. You cannot bring in high density. You can't bring in tag or mixed use. None of those can come into and that has to come. It comes in front.

So there's no zoning for that. That would have to come before us to approve something. have a a uh spreadsheet that they have to go through and they have to gain certain points. If they're going to ask for reduced uh setbacks or increased density and they have to meet certain standards and that comes in front of you, you get to look at it and say yes, you meet them. Better quality insulation, more green space, better landscaping, parks, u features that are common throughout that come come in and make it. There's five different areas. They have to hit at least one in every single one of those and score 100 points to be able to get and then I'll get you around.

I would I'm I'm fine with moving the LDR3 into for one reason. It's the zone is low density residential three. That's confusing. If we were to keep it in the medium density, we need to change change it to a medium density or whatever. You put it as one and change the other. There's confusion there. That doesn't need to be. And I and but I but I I personally think I think it would be fine. We can manage it in the low density residential because it the differentiation the differential there is single family. Yes. Units rather than multiple families. And that was our reasons for pushing it down because we're keeping that single sense that way.

The way it was before though, it was already confusing. Yes. To the public and to us. Yeah. So, at this point, all in favor of moving it down to the low. Okay. If I have a medium density comprehensive plan and I come in, I'm a developer, I want to do an LDR3 because I want to build town homes in that comprehensive plan zone. Does that require a comprehensive plan change? Yes. Then what is the problem then with lead with with allowing LDR3 in both intermediate and medium density? And you don't need a comprehensive plan. No, I don't agree with that. If you're going to let it flow between different ones,

I'm I'm asking one zone. I'm saying why can't one zone be acceptable in both comprehens because it really it's it's sort of like my my 12-year-old can play with the teenagers and with the kids and and like you know some things go with both you know or like tall pe five foot n person can play basketball with a six foot person and a 5 foot six person they can so but this LDR3 to me I fits with medium density fine it blends in fine And it also blends in, in my opinion, with twin homes and LDR2. I'm okay with that. So that to me says if LDR3 I would not the lines.

Well, it blurs that line. It blurs the line and I think it I think in a useful way and I'm now some people aren't comfortable with ambiguity and they want black and white, you know, this or that. I'm comfortable with with an ambiguity that allows developers to say I don't have to ask for comprehensive plan chains to do town homes in MDR next to my medium. There's really no disadvantage to that. I don't see one. I don't understand why. I agree. I think that's a great it wouldn't be in bold. If we're going to put it in LDR or in low res then leave it in medium as well to put it in medium because then you don't have to do a comp plan change when someone wants to do it in another place that might so I guess when someone comes in and says I want to make and it's in an in an let me think about that low residential

well I'm trying to think if they come in and they say they need to change here's here's something that's been a a problem for me when someone comes in and says I want to change it to MDR1 to me I think what is the highest density they can put in that and Am I okay with that? If I'm okay with that, I'll say yes. If I'm not, I I won't say yes. And so and so what would that what would happen to that? If someone says I want it to be an MDR1, what would happen in a medium density? Yeah. So I want it to be So this is an MDR1. What would happen if we had it floating back and forth? No, no, no. LDR LDR3 is the only thing that he's saying. You're misunderstanding. to have the LDR3 in the low residential and the medium.

So, so, so LDR3 changen. Okay. So, LDR3 does not change in its density. It's always 10 units. Yes. per acre. Okay. I'm just saying that if you have it allowed in both comprehensive plans, medium and low, then if a developer wants town homes and and here's here's maybe an easy way for around think of the birch property. They asked for the LDR3 on that back piece. Is what triggered my thought of my suggestion because it's low residential and we weren't allowing them to change the comp plan. It was not allowed to go in there. Exactly. What he's saying is if it's allowed in low residential and in medium, then we could decide to let the LDR3 go in there

without having to change the comp plan. Personally, I think so. What would the comp plan say? It would stay the same. But it would in the zone it would say you are allowed this in both low residential and in medium residential. So you it would be used in both. But the comp the comp plan says LDR3 as part of the plan, right? Is it its own? It's part not or is it all LDR? Not comp plan. Comp plan isn't zones. It's just districts. What's the district for this LDR? This one right now is inter intermediate. Okay. Intermediate and low residential. Correct. It doesn't go into low now. It's only an intermediate. Okay.

I propose putting it into low. Randle's proposing put it in both of them. I I think it's actually brilliant. Yeah. Because it's because it's what we're it's it's it's what we really want actually. Correct. Right. And so it's so they want to go in. I I I it just makes sense. Just this one goes either way. Correct. Either way. Yeah. That's I love that. To me, that makes more sense. It's harder to go down to low density. That's why I have heartburn a little bit taking this down to low density. Yeah,

it because you're forcing that down to more on that one acre lot into low density. I have a harder time that way than doing both. I think it's smart to do both. To me, that's what it's other way around. What Tammy said is the other way. Yeah. Which way? So, what made So, what I'm hearing is is now we pretty well got a consensus that put it in both. Let's do that and let's move on. We I'm trying to give you guys a 5 10 minute break before you have to go into city council. Before we do that,

um in some of these now we currently have in some of the low densities 70% can be covered, 30% has to be landscaped. One of the challenges we're running into as a city, as a state, and as a nation, the availability of water, forcing people to go clear up to 30% landscaping. Now, that doesn't mean they have to plant trees and grass. They can't do zeroscape. We're looking at it and going, we want to reduce that down and go 8020. That's what our medium density currently is. We want to be able to put that same thing in force. We're also running into areas where we have culde-sacs where it's almost impossible for them to get that 80 That's 7030 because you have a front yard that's all concrete which will bring another point up we'll talk about is currently right now only 40% of your front yard can be covered with concrete. It's not working. We are constantly running into problems. We want to take that to a 50/50. So 50% of it can be concrete or asphalt. The other 50 has to be pvious water to be able to penetrate. That's the changes we're proposing in these these two. And along with it in LDR3, if they're going to build town homes in MDR1 and two, if you put the parking in back of the town home, we'll let you move that set back up to 15 ft from property line rather than 20. We're trying to find a way to encourage town homes to put the parking in the back

so they're not lining them up and pulling off of the street. So that's what that proposal is is if you'll park in the back, we'll let you move it five feet closer to the street. So those are the three changes in there that you will see beyond which comp plan you have building coverage at 80%. Yes. Impervious 20 can't be more than 50%. My concern is why and and at least 20%. There's a gap in there of 10% that I worry what are you going to put in yet? I just worry that somebody's gonna figure, well, I'll just let that go to weed or whatever. I don't know. Um,

what do you mean by gap? Well, if you if you max if you max the building coverage at 80%, you max the impervious, it's 50%. And and landscaping. You have to look at it different. The 8020 is the overall lot. Oh, 50% of just the front yard is just the front yard concrete. Well, I'm just I'm just thinking let's let's limit the impervious to the the total building coverage and then the rest has got to be in landscaping. Yeah, we run into problem. We don't want all of our front yards to be concrete jungles. We would like some landscaping there. It just makes the city pretty. So, by limiting them on how much concrete they can put out there, they're going to have to do some kind of landscaping. Even if it's zeroscape,

zercapes, no plants, life, anything. It's just basically rocks, trees, not even trees. You just do decorative stuff. Mayor knows stuff. That's not really what it means. That means you're using at the least amount of water. Least amount. There is one term that is no water. And I've got a couple of people in Somerfield that have done that. Their front yard is strictly rocks and it's different types and styles and they've got deals through it. But that's what we're proposing. Does that make sense? Yeah. I mean, it just sounds to me like you could just make rest of the yard has to be landscaped. It's not building and it's not impervious service surface. It has to be landscaped.

So going back to this idea figure out how to make that work. I'm wondering at what point with water becoming an issue all over the west especially here at what point will we as a city start to say we really we really want to encourage promote zeros escaping in terms of using native plants and more of this. I mean, I go I go down to I go down to Arizona and I see what yards are like. I mean, all

I think there's even something a step above that, Randall. We come in here and not just go to zeroscape drip irrigation for trees and shrubs and flower beds rather than rainirds that waste a lot of water. Most of it evaporates if they're sprinkling during the day. There there are many things and mayor's a lot more up on this than me that we could reduce our amount of water. Our highest usage is what July August for a city and it's because of and it's strictly because that's what everybody's fall under landscaping right they all fall under landscape yes they do but that's those are good things that we can start as a city to encourage

and Aaron he has a project out here he's doing and he's working up at the where he's coming in and looking at this low impact as minimal amount of water as possible using special irrigation systems and zeroscaping and anything he can to reduce the amount of water that it requires to water that yard. So, are you okay with that? Then what do we have in this part?

Okay, let's scroll farther. Um, MDR1 again, we just cleaned up some of it. Now realize MDR1 and two still allow town homes. That is still allowed even into HDRs is still allowed as town homes because you can get some pretty high densities with town homes in that situation. But no single family is allowed single family detached or duplexed. Only three attached and more can go higher zones. Since that's the gateway to home ownership, it makes sense.

Yeah. There's some good mixes out there of of town homes and in apartments because they move from the apartment to the town. Um, okay, keep scrolling again. This is medium density. Same thing. We did bring the the same the 50% in those HDR. HDR1. Oh, just changing the description. I think and HDR2 getting that. Now tag is one I want to have a discussion with right now. We go back on. We didn't change no parking.

No. No. The only parking we've done is just determine lots or parking sizes, but we haven't changed any lowering amounts or increasing amounts, any of that type of stuff. Thank you, Rand. Sorry to have

in tag. I want to cover this one quick. Tag currently right now it's one acre, one house. We don't care anything in that. What we're what's happening is most of our tag is in our impact area. And so what we felt was a good option is to come in and say if you're in tag and you want to start developing, okay, it's five acres. So I have a 40 acre piece and I come in there. I'm either going to have to break it into five one five acre lots or if you set the other 32 acres, 35 acres aside. I'll let you shrink those down to 1acre lots and you can develop in the corner that in the future then it can develop that next one. It doesn't scatter out so much that it becomes very difficult in the past and this falls back to water again too because now I got five acres. it turns into a wheat patch because nobody has the water or the time or the desire to mow five acres of wheats. So, they still can develop in there. They can still build and as they need, they can move up. All of a sudden, they've done the five acres and they're going

scroll up a little read the rest of that. Oh, go back down. Oh, right there. Right there. Yeah. If you do like eight 1acre lots, then you would have to set the other 32 aside. As soon as you reszone, if you went to an LDR12 or RR1 or two, then you could go to that one and finish developing the rest of it. It just holds it because tags should be a holding point until they're ready to come into the city and develop. Is that okay with you guys? Okay. I hate the word restricted. I mean, I just You have to. He's got to put 32 acres. He can't put anything on it

until he reszones. Yeah. Yeah. So, right now, just to get my brain wrapped around this, right now they can do it at one acre. Oneacre a lot. And so, what's the problem? Is is it just that we've got a lot of these big lots around and then as we're pushing out, we can't build additional stuff there? The problem we run into is they have those big ones. They'll actually split it into five acre lots. Okay?

And so now we have these huge lots that people can't bail on. Now, if they want to do five and they want to do it that way, great. But if they want to bring that down and maximize the value of their property, cluster those down, put them in a spot, and then just restrict the rest of it until you reszone. So then you can develop the rest of So this is an incentive not to do that, but it's not stopping them from still doing five acre lots if they want. Yes. Again, we're talking minimums. That's another good argument for R1. If you're going to reduce, if you're going to let allow one acre lots, oh, you need a category. You got to have a category to put them in. And R1 fits that.

Fits the category. So, are we good with this one? Let's scroll through. I don't think there's much left. I think that would just remove an RBD. Yeah, this is to remove that residential business district. Are you guys okay with that? And we would just we would just ask to reszone it to mixed use. Yeah. Yeah. But we've run into some trouble with mixed use because in what way? Well, well, look at Horner's Corner. It's mixed use requirement and form based. Nobody can make it work. That's forbased. They have to go four stories. Yeah, it's it's under on the curve. It's forb

behind. But you're right. I mean, we're on our 10th iteration. We're looking at town homes. But you're dealing with form base versus uklitian. This is the rest of the city taking. Yeah, but over there is wasn't part of the problem there. Oh, it's form based. So you could put So you don't have to have a business in there. It could be all residential. You could do residential because there's a townhouse category. Yeah. Yeah. So this is outside of the formbbased code. And so and we have mixed use which will do the same thing. You can still come in there and do the I guess I just get worried about sometimes sometimes that kills projects because it'll it'll work one way but it doesn't work requiring both.

So here's what happened with this one from what Stephen told me. He says this was developed and they had multiple spots within the city and they found out it wasn't working and it was just a pain. So they reszoned everything but they forgot to change these two and that was why those ended up staying. Which two? The ones Fulmer's old uh office. Oh those two. That's the only two lots in the whole city. Yeah. And so we have a whole section in the code for two lots. All right. So, and we would just come in and propose moving it to mixed use so then they can continue to do what they're doing. Nothing changes. And again, their grandfather didn't know any.

Okay. So, we'll leave that one. That's just removing all of the the language for RB. Let's get the let's close up and get the Let's uh call it there. We may have to reschedu and think let's let's do this if you guys will look through the rest of this code and then send us comments. Let's see if we can get a consensus on any of the other changes. We end on there 70 there's 76 pages. So yeah 53 53 this didn't cover the other things. No it didn't. There's also two other sections.

Do you want us to comment on the other sections as well? Unless you want to have another meeting like this. But you're going into budget meetings in the next what month? I don't mind having another meeting. It's good when you can

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do we have coffee? Hey, did Josh reach out to you?

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man. We need one more. Just Yeah, just anywhere in here is fine. And we'll just have you come up here to the podium.

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when they have gonna talk about We need to make that part of our next discussion. We can make a lot Recording in progress.

So anyway, those are some of the boss of my own. My wife answer Okay, let's see whose time is it to pray and pray and pledge. Today is what? April 1st. Johnson. So, uh, let's do Colin and Reer. Colin, will you say the opening prayer, please? And Council,

give me a holler just to make sure. this.

Wow, got real quiet all of a sudden. It must be time to start. That's awesome.

Okay, thank you very much everyone for being here. We appreciate your attendance here with us tonight. This is the city council meeting for the Rexburg City Council of April 1st, 2026. And that's serious. It's not a joke. That's not an April Fool's joke. Um, all right. So, we would like we we have already had a uh combined city council and planning and zoning meeting this evening uh to talk about the Rexburg development code. So, this is a continuation, but we'd like to go ahead and start this meeting with a uh a prayer, an opening prayer, and a pledge to the flag. And I've asked Council Member Colin Ericson to offer the opening prayer for us, after which uh Council Member Dave Reer will lead us in the pledge of allegiance. So, Council Member Ericson,

our dear Father in heaven, we bow before you this evening to give you thanks for the many blessings we have in our lives. We're so thankful for this city and this community and for our neighbors and people we live around and and family that we're here. Father, we're so thankful for the many blessings we have for to being here here in Idaho and Rexburg and and be part of that. Father, we ask the blessing be upon this community. We bless each and every one of the of the individuals that live here then and that's visit here that they may feel that they're connected and that we may be able to work together and be productive and move forward. Father, we ask the blessing to be upon this country. Bless our armed forces and and the decision making that's there that they may make the right decision that we may do the things which God wants us to do. Father, we ask that you please bless us this evening that we may make good decisions that we may be able to listen and understand and do the things we need to to f this uh community uh forth and to do the things we need to. Father, we ask you be with us and continue to bless us. We ask and do this in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Amen. Amen. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right. Thank you very much. We appreciate that. Uh at this point in time, we'd like to go ahead with the roll call of the city council members. We'll ask Mariana know them a little bit. So, we'll start with uh Timothy Bowman, who has been hired to be our building maintenance coordinator. So, Tim.

Yes, sir. Um, good evening. Um, my name is Timothy Bowman. Um, I have over 30 years of building maintenance experience and I'm excited to be part of the city of Rexburg team. Everybody has been extremely helpful, pleasant. Um, it's an honor to serve. Um, we've also been married 30 years, so that's a testament to my commitment to everything I do. Thank you very much. Okay. Thank you.

All right. Next, we will um be favored by Kelly Weathersby, who has been hired to be the city electrician and also building building maintenance coordinator. Yeah. Um, good evening. Happy to be here. Um a little bit about myself is I grew up in Pocutello. Um spent about 10 years in Pensacola, Florida. Came back here to Rexburg. Met my wife Darla who is a school teacher at Madison County uh school district. And what I think 15 years now this year we've been