City Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Call this meeting of the market. They were there. already here. All those in favor say I. Um, everybody have a chance to look over the minutes from our January 20th meeting. Um the only thing that I saw in there um when we did the agenda it said amended to include data set.

Okay. Well, then it's amended as presented the way that it I had two items about being proactive. Anyone else? Second. All in favor say I. I. So wish to address it. Please state her name and address for the record. And this is regarding the support

knowledge. And again ago neighborhoods along close that It's not again, but I also appreciate the board. Now I really support the hard work that the department has just been Thank you very much. So, um we'll just move through so we'll close that for old business new business. We have a proposal

proposal Mr. summed it up pretty well. What we're proposing is community crosssection. starting. The idea being as I mentioned With this we get 80% of the

This student between I don't know. existing also. Another advantage for me to the proposed questions.

They did the draft And I saw I do have I believe it's resolution application. Yeah. Just encourage people to bridge by access. Well, along the just roughly along the west side and I'm being

I start around a dream. I did this cross their basic needs story. This is supposed to is important for many. So that's provision.

He immediately would like to pick up Um, and then I notic Correct. And then the budget Perfect.

Is there a federal requirement? accept for some reason for whatever reason I'll go back Sorry. Thank you. And as this is for construction. actually.

Yeah. So the idea is more.

Is it?

Yeah, it is. But you guys can see point here. So, there's these town holes here and there's a pretty steep slope going down there. So because this is fedally funed to state they are and what are the law as part of this? So the requirements Not a great way.

Okay. Um

that is something.

Yeah. Yes. Is anybody happen immediately, but it's a conversation to have with her trail and all the reason it's happened at this would be no intention. One other question is very budget.

And also I think they would just follow the state at all. My assumption would be I don't believe I did a questionific. brought up just black area as it comes up is pretty narrow and specific for the brother. from the place We always

question. Are we looking for support on this specific? I appreciate your foresight. There are any other comments from people. There's a lot of thought that still needs to go into its final come. There are no comments on this. Uh other citizens comments on our work session. Okay. mobile temporary retail sales. Um the first section here

is um revision of that 638 about retail service period. So, we had section. So kind of just taking all different steps and making it a little more precise by reordering this into one section conditions and having to subsection for that section per requirements and all this is in yellow because techs. really about all we have reference after 35

because we will be adding definition of mobile depending on and the one thing I didn't so there is in subsection It talks about the location of all reason to currently that should be approved through approval. It will require approval of the zoning city clerk license. I hope that makes more sense because that's really Number

basically the difference there. We're kind of changing it and the temporary sales area changes use category for them in every other situation. Approval of where that can where that

um I think so that's not the require that I'm not exactly sure of all thinking back to All the large property owner wanted to operation for scale. It was just like a weekend. So while the building is not used that's a good question.

So existing space will be there as long And the thing is notific issues with We had we can talk about it right now. of that. Thank you. The real challenge after it was almost impossible. Give us an answer. Who can we contact this? Um it's a difference.

Yeah. Um, this talked about

Yeah, I think we definitely need to look at what Steve saying. Yeah. Thank you. I just

then right you canever It's Clear. So 902 disconnected not ordered very well. For instance, so the first page is up to one. One of the things

with this code generally ideally want to have a section where developers are going to look and say does this get to like page compiance. So that so moving that to the front and reordering it with more preise. um that first proposal. So, and then you see here um the on stage when we go the way it starts with something fractional spaces and then um what this proposal is doing is taking that and um moving that section to 903 which is where we get into minimum and maximum number of parking spaces and how parking space and parking app requirements through the formula and market.

Um, so it's a lot, but it's basically doing this first section that only deal with the basic reg. Um, so section compiance what you want to do and then It looks like section C on joint share parking. It looks like it should be

so um but so that section would deal with the joint parking uh changes used um and then parking standards that apply to specific districts. Um and Then over to 903 that just changes the changes are in that header. Um suggestions city vehicles passed on vehicle code putting that in some of the part of a lot that has been provided by only and then get into so in the agenda. able and then the things like 903 parking space.

Um the parking reduction formula section is same language with a new table there is the same it's just been revised section This is the same as

Yeah. user friend's Yeah, there's just a couple substant which we talked about last time. So the um in there I took what we talked about last week, eliminated standards for anything except for the mobile food. So for private property, which calls for one space for the mobile, one space from adjacent to unless there's another suitable location just specific parking lot parking space elevation. Then the exception for all other um I can explain that a little more. Um but just changing that to instead of 150.

Um we did some research. We found a paper that specifically deal retailers and it was an analysis of seven different something under 50,000 square feet in all of those cities. ginormous. And so they have they have everything in there. So, it kind of felt like we're on pretty safe 300 a maximum again I would put it at probably nothing but I think you know I don't have a minimum maximum that's already in this increasing number of makes more sense for every 15 Let me see what

Maxify. question.

I sure know. We don't reference our research.

Interesting. A lot of those that city all around the city and those numbers adopted the same numbers pretty much. And if you look at the ordinance, it still has the same numbers. I mean they're broken numbers here regulations. Um, we don't allow it.

Yeah. So, that's something that flag because it's not only soction. So, we haven't present more than one principal. I think this is still under

buildings more There's another receipt back. Um, it says no more than 25% We can't get so ready for That's that's why we kind of have it flagged to look at it was a better way and now make sure that we spot that pieces. two people use

moments water to some degree at least that's what I wanted city's providing So it's more matter of I think here. Oh, you're reading a traffic. Right. And then I know trying to make this as possible.

We're just sharing our list. Certainly one We should be consistent with the amount of We were talking about 63 questions. One thing we do, especially I'm trying this kind of convention where you have a difference between it's usually the overnight.

We've been like program number. But some people are commissioned. It's just a slippery slope where you know maybe I wouldn't care that much, but uh just trying to friendly as possible.

Yeah. I guess what I'm saying is we use discretion and enforcement if somebody's there for a lot of times we're probably not even know if they stay from Friday night to Saturday and Sunday and if it's the one time just were deceptive about it. Definitely where we're going to hold the fire. We'll learn the Instagram. A18 accessory uses shall be calculated separately using our discretion. there.

Accessories have places. necessarily use So this uh conception make and eliminating March. This is something that we should allow for storage. Yes. Um

there's a lot of sand versus We're talking for six months.

So, um I guess further next question. So are you talking about parking lot area

if they have requ

I think a lot of businesses do that whether it is excess or not Um, but it's a lot easier. Sure. I'm just thinking about 10% of the required parking. for most businesses. That's Still slow business. I understand business if we're going to consider in the future allowing them to determine how much parking they need anyway first steps

maybe not going to go and survey some of these businesses.

Seems to make sense. So we're just going to say the up% of the parking just I think it needs to be okay with that. retention area as well. Typically, the water for and you know That goes back to figure out especially if we

just simply how are we going to the correct locations kind of No storage. last week just as well. One thing I did was driving and it was done Most of the city was done in the late afternoon 6:00 between 3:00 and 6:00. And so you tell a few things from that like and that occurred to me that

really are all over the patio. But the restaurants where you can't just see the parking lots used to show parking lots nowhere close some of them. Yeah. So having a little more Oh yeah. striking the or being established. Unless the zoning compensates structure may be constructed to the expiration of design.

So next section And this has come up here. It's not showing up right on that one, but it's showing up right on that. Pretty sure. Okay. Very far away. This is the lot line here. This is the home. This line here is the sideyard. This line here showing yard and then this is the front yard. You have a street neighbor. So lot is street. So it's not a corner lot. Street. They don't have. So this would allow in section six animals

properties classified as well which may sideyard. Which means There are people I believe it on that section I'm checking. So possible Same thing.

Yeah. That's it. All right. So, if you add to something to All right. So, today is a background only. No decisions are requested. The goal is to give the goal to give the commission a clear baseline on what are communities are addressing them and what is nationally and regionally data center development has a interaction driven by cloud computing AI remote work and services updates take time and communities that wait until find themselves under pressure. This discussion is about education about education and background so that future decisions are delivered. So the sections of the review I'll start with a brief overview of what data centers are and why they function differently from other industrial resourc

infrastructure behind. They offer low industrial but they operate differently. High power cooling, strong security and typically low long track. Um as stated before the land institute is a national nonprofit organization. planners, developers, and public and real estate professionals make 202 construction activity and sometimes negotiation negotiating long-term job is usually modest relative societies but physical impact many community concerns especially around power and currents are common across jurisdictions uli emphasizes that most of these issues are regulated further addressed standard data centers are highly sight specific to substations and transmission lines as access to major roads for construction water and large campuses require a significant amount of naturally limit where many zoning codes were not written with these. As a result, communities face parking that don't match up

these frequently. So out several approaches, communities overlay overlays innovation districts and supported or dedicated shared things. So overlay district is applied to specific an example of that district. We don't have that example data center overlay allows data centers to find location require them to meet clearly where it is supposed to be to go that right to go that route. You really have to look and find what can a lot of research the innovation district and similar technology districts allow a flexible mix of uses beyond traditional industrial commercial zoning. These districts data centers research technology uses without requiring zoning allowing development standards to adapt specialized facilities can identify preferred data center locations of the comprehensive plan and invite reon areas. Reszoning may include voluntary development positions or agreements that address impact provide community benefits such as improvements, environmental protections or operational level. Then you have the data center specific zoning district a dedicated district which establishes

permission and detail standard for data center. This approach defines the use and such requirements for the building size and then so the next few slides here they highlight some national these examples show how different communities prepared for data center development and what outcomes resulted from planning. These cases span different regions and approaches but they share common thread. So we need clarity and early planning matter. Trinity saw that prepared ahead of time complex outcomes. Fredericksburg Virginia and surrounding counties planned for summer growth years in advance bying zoning and public education. They were able to attract a major uh sources investing minimizing opposition. um I'm doing this so um they are going to the data center and it model then pro village revises to create an innovation technology data centers with standards approach terminology. Hypersler is a company that operates very large cloud-based

enterprise data center. It's smaller. It's one company internal needs. Um they also do centers maybe multiple companies but the hypers scale data centers where you're dealing with platform you're having Google cloud meta Facebook or Microsoft then you have county Georgia this example focuses on utilities rather than Google partnered the local government to fund a recycled water system reducing fresh water is offered as the model for construction. So the ul take is that clear zoning combined with planning means stronger economic outcome when standards are predictable. All right. So now I shift to finding some case studies in Michigan. This case studies are chosen from the same region. So we're looking at communities experiencing similar market pressure and similar disability conditions and let's focus on what's more relevant for planning how different local approaches provide standard special shape process and outcomes. So the first one was mentioned at our last meetings at the Sailing Township. This project illustrates how the scale of the hyperscaled data centers can quickly overwhelm their control. The reasoning denial and subsequent settlement underscore the legal financial risk communities facing

a zoning work group by clearly limiting data centers to industrial districts and reporting special land use. created predictability to reduce then um power south. They adopted temporary moratorals while morator of assignment kind of does leave you in a comment. So while Morhead is not a major metro area that you're looking at the numbers that they're talking about in the years to come that crazy and everything we see now and that takes somewhere that you ask for any request your request email is going to those data centers. Um so the the takeaway that Marquette should it's not that Marquette should pursue pursue data planning. So zoning issues raised by data centers from everything that you know finding use and ensuring appropriate residential data centers don't meet the needs of many existing zoning

areas infrastructure data centers have significant It involves substations on the property as well as water. Early coordination with electric is important. Design and site building screening setbacks treatment design operations can be continuous on equipment and intermittent generator. Construction traffic is typically much higher than long-term operational traffic industrial long-term considered permanent staffing specialized design can also limit which is an important consideration of long perception process most often focus on low water individual impact. There is only transparent review process uncertainty and conflict for both public. So how address issues? So number one define the use a clear data center definition energy to avoid case by caseation. Two, you can control the location permit by right and appropriate industrial areas with an overlay. Keep clear separation. Three standards use measurements noise.

The next utility required documentation coordination for substations. Then the site design calibrations set parking staffing plans construction management plan for routing staging restoration. The goal is predictability standards that neighbors while reducing the need for varianc. So this is just example possible decision points for a future meeting if that's so we're not asking for a potential decision up policy questions that often so this is a different from the email we've been discussing that So phase one is just um phase two if coordinate any project with the city commission staff. So basically there's no automatic move to phase unless you guys decide make a motion memo ask the city commission. So what can tradeoffs between acting now? Both approaches are valid. Zoning now for predictability maintain current structure and address. So that concludes like over

so far. I have a short reference material and also couple of things only for happy to answer any questions. This was a lot of information really fast.

First of all, thank you very much. I would like to give you a live. Yeah, like I said, I have a I have a executive summary for you guys. We'll have those ready. Perfect. Uh my first question is outside of the moratorum is it possible for the city for agriculture? No.

Yeah. So we allow culture like No. So an example might be adult. So that um I think this is something we can discuss further. Um I think there's a lot about this and I know that for a long time uh about this so I would like to see this on our agenda further. Um further discussion on this.

So first thank you a lot of information seems like. So, um, my biggest question here is how are weing?

So, it's interesting that um my research because one of our Um but I think the next phase this apparently is the route. And I wouldn't anticipate it would be done for us. I mean several months So, so you guys can make a motion and ask the chair to manager.

It's very real. involved. My guess is,

you know, right? Because I think that first off, you know, human be, right? is up. So this is like All the negative effects that seem to see That may not be the only place that you would be shocked. This this probably doesn't create the job.

The electrical of these plants now is humongous. We have really almost what we use for board water and money would be built in addition to just support. So that's been a big concern in our state. They're basically having to build another whole power system and does it meet their concept of what's acceptable power in the area and then the water was another because you know water and is huge you know even the small

right and I always say I that I'm no expert at all right so it is going to be a small thing but it still bring Um, it seems to me being proactive is definitely approach reacting to something. So being proactive I think is the best step. Um how many city for something like this? We probably don't have the space within the city. That's where one of the major humongous campuses but I can tell you that there is data center that was put in. Okay. It's where they left off the highway. They just put a bunch of uh boxes outside, not enclosed at all across the street from school. No regulations. I was gonna say I come down is that humming noise that's extremely irritating and that's why the resol

was just a big box that really was an octopus that's not that hard to deal with. But it's the other things, how much power they use, how much water they use. So trying to work these things to me makes a lot of we could do adjustable.

I don't need to figure out what I mean. That's something to talk about is that level generate that certain amount that you can legally put it through the law coming too close to housing area. think about the energy and I think that really our planet generative just for real. Yeah. The only advantage is that we don't have a lot of research. Um, I'm still trying to

How many is something though that site that was built up holding up that handle that um with that big too power.

Yeah. when they're on their site to take water. I feel that everybody Just one thing was that so on this for six months. So you know if you have six months that you have to come up with it and it has to get through the healthare process. So that's that just the thing that I'm thinking of right now is if we are to you know right now AI growth is really right now we don't really know what it will be like in five years. I know a lot of like economists are saying that there's a bubble that's happening with AI and that kind of tech. So, I'm just a little weary of, you know, us putting out to the public that we're, you know, considering, you know, putting together that might come across we're trying to

General that you I don't know why things That's my dad. I don't think it's we should say there's not space for a They don't own a huge part.

Right. America is taking up just gods of farmland. It's completely changing the whole atmosphere of that community. And I think that's that's what's spurred me to look into some of this other stuff because my kids love for them. And there's already been a number of the farms been approached to be sold and it's really imprec Denver and the woods that exist right now. And there's a lot of different stakeholders in this treatment. So I just believe

are still We may have problems at Cresal as they switched eliminate. How to assure distribution system

and no certain testing criteria temperature. industrial water treatment. The same as the city had to have things to coordinated. the old. Yeah, that that was from the original. There's still about a 6 foot diameter fiber discharge. As far as I know, I know. So,

So I'd suggest that you guys make a motion to draft a request something. So in other words, we need to question her to coordinate the project. for includes planning commission to be proactive. Yeah. Without anything,

all in favor say I

I all oppose same sign. All right, that's the end of our work. Now we're on to other work. Yeah, thank you. possibility. Um, so I presume the main block of hospital property and I'm not sure exactly what we would have to do different building. I guess I think back when hospital districts

as you move toward seems to accept that we seem to accept that sky. I would like to look at the possibility of creating

trying to get ahead of the PBD process or at least something process to kind of set his limits on their proposal to us. Well, we've only build not the site. Yes. So I did engineer that let us know if there's anyone building the parameters of the techn Not at all.

Yes.

Thank you. Uh, we have a reasoning hearing at the next might end up being another one. So um anyway, that's greatly appreciated. uh now more than ever that involvement in it. Um proud to be here and police with that meeting.