Board of Public Safety - Regular Meeting

You ready? [Music] Sorry guys. Okay, that's the roll call. Next item. None. I'll accept the motion to approve the minutes from the April 17th, 2025 meeting. Motion second. All in favor say I.

No public comments. Um, next item is an update on the MODOT city projects. The audio is always good now. Thank you, Mr. Marshall. Um, apologize for the technical difficulties. Um, think time will be better. I think moving the meeting room unfortunately is probably creating a little bit of a technical distress for us, but um, we're on track. So the first item on there is a update on MDOT and city roadway projects. Um wanted to provide this information to you. I think I did the last meeting as well. So I didn't intend to go through it in detail at this point. Uh if you have any specific questions about projects that are underway, be glad to entertain them at this point. Um work is progressing around town on Route 100 resurfacing our 100 109 and the roundabout at 109 and Wild Horse Creek Road is just switched over to a new phase. Um our Manchester Taylor project is coming along well and u we should have some resurfacing there in another couple weeks on Taylor Road in Manchester as well. So things are moving forward and uh a lot of asphalt's getting placed. So if there's any specific questions about projects that I have in the schedule, also included a few projects that are up and coming that we haven't started construction on, namely um trying to wrap up um the roundabout at uh 109 and Route BA South that is uh currently out for bids right now. Uh we plan to open bids on that. At this point it would be June 30th. We actually pushed it a week. And then Old State Road, Shared Use Path, which is north of

Old Fairway up to um Old State Place, that project is still finalizing the acquisition of property easements um and and approvals of the final plans at MODOT. So, that one we hope to bid uh shortly, later this summer or early fall. Do you know if any of the weather that we've had lately has impacted the progress on any of the projects? I don't know that we've seen it to a large degree at this point. Um I imagine if you talk to some of the resurfacing contractors, they would tell you it has. Um I think a lot of that will manifest itself over the coming months, frankly. Um but uh I mean our biggest project Manchester and Taylor is is moving along well. Um we had a few of the signal posts um did not show up otherwise I think our signals would be just about complete by now. So we're waiting for those to be shipped. Um they should arrive in another couple weeks but otherwise things are going good. The roundabout at Cloudor's frequent 109 that is the road down to the hill. Is it open again or is open? Southton opened up yesterday morning. Mhm. Okay. But is Wild Horse Creek closing west? It is closed. So, and that'll be what we found out today. Maybe two weeks at the most. Two weeks at the most. Yeah, it might be less. But uh that little section will the turn there toward the old fire station. Yeah. So that that's all closed there. So you can't get down to Centaur from that direction or No. Mr. Lee looks like he has an update for us. Yes. Thank you very much, Mr. Marshall. Um and in this case, just wanted to add a quick update that we had with our uh with Monarch Fire Protection District. The west leg

of Wild Horse Creek Road at 109 is closed. That said, um Les Cruz, the assistant chief, actually went out there today and spoke with the um individuals, well, the project manager and the contractor. There is a a temporary ramp that they're able to get through. So, they are actually able to get through that area if needed. Uh that was clarified. And then we were able to get an updated timetable on getting a well, one, a gravel surface for emergency access. And then secondly, having a an actual paved lane. They're anticipating the gravel surface to be put down tomorrow to have something where they can get over it. Um, and then the pavement will be put in on Saturday and then it has to cure for 2 days. So, we're anticipating that late Monday night or potentially uh Tuesday morning, they'll have one lane that'll be open for emergency access only. But for two weeks, it's going to be July 2nd's the the hope date that they're they're putting out there that they've communicated with the fire district and the city. But we just got off the phone actually with uh Mr. Cruz and we appreciate their swift action there. Thank you. I have something related to the um Irish the uh from a pedestrian standpoint on Manchester Road. I walk it off and it the honeysuckle is overtaking it again is there's pedestrian. You can't walk through there in some ways without going into the street to avoid the obstructions. I didn't know if there's anything we can do about that or um No, absolutely. Um as as best you can share the specific locations with us, the better and then Yeah, we can we can as best you can share the specific location. Sure. I between Taylor Road and um Cherry Hills and Meadows Drive, both north and south sides of Manchester Road. Okay.

We will uh we will look into that for you. Thank you. Do you have make any progress on the center um pedestrian signal at Old Fairway and Manchester? So, we've been working to line up a contractor. Um actually, we even talked about that. Is Till able to do it for us? Uh Jacob's still doing some research, but he's confident he think that they'll be able to. We we've struggled with getting an electrical contractor to do the work because they are very busy. And so we're trying to get our regular contractor T-Hill to do the work and they're checking to see if they're able to do it. It it's a bit of a a interesting scenario because it's it is electrical but it's not. So these these are all solar powered units and they're wireless. So, they're trying to be clear that they can do the work and not get, I guess, in trouble with the unions essentially. But that's what we'd like to do is have our regular contractors do it so we can get attention to it more quickly. It's just been an ongoing struggle, frankly, with us getting electrical contractors to do work. Is this gonna when they put the new one in my Lafayette High School, will we have the same issues as far as it being struck maintaining it or installing it? Well, the location there is the issue there is the center island has been struck as you know a number of times. No, not that's not the one that I'm talking about the other one. The one you took the one out where it's been struck. Right. Right. It's the one at Old Fairway and Manchester that center signal. I sent a note to um a while back and he said he said similar saying he couldn't find an electric contractor to work on it. Yeah. And I just my concern is if we're approving installation of additional ones such as on Old State Road and then across from Lafayette, are we just creating a

problem that we won't be able to maintain? Well, I think the ones on Clayton and Old State shouldn't be maintained by the city. So, we won't have that concern. I think by and large we found them to be fairly reliable. Um, in that case, I don't know where the other one stands and we gotten and we're and we're getting off the subject a little bit here with the agenda, frankly. Um, yeah, as far as the beacons go, uh, I met with, uh, Jacob Hill last week. Um, just because we had tried four times to get our other electric contractors out to do it. You give them a little bit of time to show up and they don't show up, you call them back. There's a lot of that. So, uh, spoke with Jacob about doing it since it's 12vt solar powered and he said they think he can. He's going to have an answer for me next week and I said, "Well, if you're able to maintain this one, that means you should be able to install them." So, hopefully we can have T Hill put in any new ones. So, we're also not waiting on an electro electrical contractor for concrete mounting. Just a another comment on that as far as source only because uh Dale Science being a sign company they do have electrical but they also deal a lot with 12vt for all the LED and stuff and they do a lot of parking lot maintenance and other things besides signs as a possible resource. But I would think that maintaining pedestrian safety signals would come under the purview of board of public safety. Right. Yeah, what I was I'm not familiar with what I was alluding to is it's this is not an agenda item and you know stick to the agenda where possible suppose you could bring it up on miscellaneous if you like but hold it off the agenda. Sounds like situation is being addressed and we should move on. We're doing our best to address it. We're aware of the situation. Oh, and I if you would do for me then if you would make a notation that next time we meet

if you would update the status of pedestrian signals and that will keep me from having to remember to ask you about what's I see them every day. Literally I walk every day in those areas and they're not working. So I appreciate the feedback. I will tell you those are fairly lightly used in my experience and I don't know that we've gotten complaints about it but that doesn't you know that's not a reason not to get them repaired obviously right any other comments on the update of the mod and city projects hearing no other comments on that we move on to old business we have no items for old business moving on to new business we have the proposed proposed parking restrictions in Crown Point estate document included in your package when it's proposed parking restrictions in Crown Point estates a briefing on that. So board members um this is a a very recent request from the uh essentially the trustees and Crown Point Estates. Crown Point Estates, I think if you're aware, is located off of Ridge Road, essentially south of Old State Road. The trustees are requesting the placement of no parking signs on Crown Point Estates Drive, the section off of Old State over to the first hallway stop that's shown on the graphic um on the screen. So, they'd like us to post it as no parking on the outside lane. um on both the inbound and the outbound side. Um so they were having a problem with a resident or I guess it's really that was explained to me a non-resident parking on street in that area and they actually

have a uh in their indentures a prohibition on overnight parking. um that this would help them at least in this area to enforce that and I think given the location that's a higher volume location at the entrance to the subdivision cars are coming in and off of Ridge Road um where they all stop immediately um at the first street it seems like a reasonable approach to me to install the no parking signs. So, we are recommending moving forward with the placement of no parking signs in that area on Crown Point Estates Drive between Ridge Road and Crown Point Estates Court. And we're asking for a motion from the board uh essentially approving that recommendation. If board does that, we will follow up with a ordinance request at city council to u add this to the traffic schedule so that we can enforce it. There's any questions about it? I'll be glad to address. Do what what's the council representative for that area? What what are his thoughts or their thoughts? Um I have not reached out to the council member. Do we know I mean you kind of alluded to the fact that it was non-resident. Do we know why they're parking don't know why they're parking overnight? I guess my question is is their concern for the no parking strictly related to the one vehicle parking there or is it the fact there's probably a busy throughway from one street to the other and I don't know how wide that is but it looks like there's an island in the middle. Is that right? It's uh 19 feet on the south side and 2511 on the north side. Curve the curve not each lane correct. That's each lane. The south lane is 19 feet and then it's uh 2511 on the north lane. And then the

median itself is uh I think it's I think I had it at 411. So the I guess my question would be is the car that's parking there does anybody know who it is and they don't live in the subdivision or it just seems goofy that if somebody's parking there we don't at least know who it is and honestly if they're public if it is a public street and they're parking there for eight hours but if they're parking there for over 24 hours I don't think that's allowed but I'm just wondering if the person realizes they can't park there. Nobody's probably pulled them. I guess I understood what you can speak to. From what I could bring up the request, but from what I understood it, they've the parties wanting the signs and the person parking has talked a few times. Uh I Yeah, I'll bring up the request itself. And is it just parked? So, is it overnight parking then as as well? So, it's not as though it exists presently and we just need to put the signage up. So this person's in violation of the rules. It's we want to make some new rules that prevent him from parking there. Well, by placing the sign, the city precinct could enforce the restriction. So right now, right now there's no restriction in front of and their indentures are just indentures. They don't have any teeth behind it. Right. Right. Small court. And I'm not real familiar with this area. I mean, I guess my question would be, do we have other valid reasons for incurring the expense and the time and effort to put up the parking signs other than the fact that somebody's parking their one person is parking their vehicle? That's my way. If we think it's a good idea, it's a, you know, it's an advanced safety move because it's a busy access and in I'm all for it. If it's if it's we're doing if we're looking at putting up no

parking signs because of sight line restrictions and it makes that intersection more dangerous, then I'm all for it. Yes. Um and I'll just lack of clarity for me and I know we're talking about a couple no parking situations. Um, and fully understanding, you know, what are are there ordinances specific to width of a road parking allowed at all? Parking on one side, parking on two sides. I know Joe's not here tonight, and I don't I don't fully understand their ordinances versus Wildwood. I don't know that they match ordinances. Sorry, they're subdivision rules. Uh, well, I meant Metro West has zero ordinances specifically. I'm sorry, I missed that. But those are not enforceable through court. I don't believe we do not enforce Metro West's ordinances. Effectively, that's right. I was really just trying to understand if there's some standard to width when one when we have the maps. It'd be handy. I know uh uh Dustin just read off the widths, but to know what those widths are when we're looking at maps would be beneficial. I mean, when I look at that, obviously going out wider coming in was 19 foot and I guess I think of a pumper truck or whatever coming in. If a car is parked there, that's pretty cramped in my mind. But, you know, I I that's what I don't know. I'm kind of trying to better understand role and and expectation there. I think the code says you have to provide 10 foot clear otherwise you could be ticketed. So the inbound lane would be more I guess the primary concern from that standpoint than the outbound lane. But they're both obviously the most busy section of road in that subdivision. So everyone's coming and passing us from one entryway

and that's it into Crown Point Estate. So, well, it's coming and leaving in that location. Well, and during our in previous discussions that this committee had about gates at the entrance to subdivisions, one of our standing points was we don't want to do anything to restrict the egress or regress of emergency vehicles. And if we feel like vehicles parking on this section of the road would impact the delivery of services to the neighborhood, then I'm all intent, you know, that's the if we're doing it for a public safety reason. or a bonafide safety. I'm okay with it. I don't want to do something like this on behalf of the subdivision because they don't want these trucks parking there because they don't want there. Do we do any precedents here? Have we done this? I don't know if I can draw upon a specific example that I could quote you, but certainly we'd have numerous parking restrictions throughout our neighborhoods. But and it seems like a good idea that Marshall brings up, perhaps we should be surveying all the streets in the city to see where there are similar situations that because of the possible restrictions that we post no parking. It just seems like we're doing this for one person part of it. Well, again, the HOA trustee brought this to us, so in theory they reflect the views of the subdivision residents, but um I mean certainly we have restricted parking near intersections in that manner. So I think there is some precedent with that. Do you know I know you said you it was on the inbound on the south side. Can you kind of show show where it's been occurring? I didn't I didn't get a description of exactly where it was at. It was just along this lane. Yeah, but you got the stop sign. So hopefully they're not

pulling up and blocking the the stop sign. You're not allowed to do that. So it's narrow. It's just such a short section. It's kind of sad to think that you got to post six complaint come in for this request. It's very recent actually. Yeah, I think in the last week. Do you do you want I'll make a suggestion if you want to defer and I'll have somebody try and look into this and figure out which side of the road, what's what's the real issue, who this person is, why they're there, that type of thing. It sounds like it might be, you know, a visitor or a relative or a friend or something like that that uh you know, this is not in front of someone's house. If they're parking anywhere, they're parking alongside of one of those houses, I'm guessing. Well, and they, if I read the commentary correct, it says that they have approached the individual who doesn't seem to care. So, and isn't doesn't Council Member Galani live inside Vision? I think he probably does. Yeah, he does. I think so. I would feel better if I had at least his input on his thoughts on this. So, if my recommendation, Mr. Mark, would be to postpone this As this point, I don't think we've been contacted about anything related to this. Okay. If if the board would like to postpone this, that is certainly fine. Um I make a motion to postpone this agenda item. I'll second that motion. Second. So, we have a motion made by Mr. Loyal and seconded by Mr. Marshall to postpone this to a future meeting with additional information to occur. All in favor? I. I. I. Any opposed? If the guy's just parking it there because he's car pooling with or somebody, I wonder why he just doesn't park over to school or something. Yes, he probably get a ticket parking at the school. My guess is whoever he is meeting with there doesn't want you

parking in front of their house. Hopefully would be my guess. That's right. Good point. You know, they don't want the truck in front of their house all day. But you you guys, your team will try to figure it out. So, all right. you forward that that thing to me or copy it or whatever. Yeah. All right. Next item on the agenda is um the proposed parking restrictions in Windsor Crest. Council members, this is the second of two requests to install no parking signs. This one did come to us through our one of our more recent council members, um, Miss Roki or Reles, I need to find out for sure. Realinski. Um, so this was a request to install the parking signs on the curve. uh in the very back of the subdivision as shown on the graphic um on the screen. Um they have had concerns in the past for the vehicles parked in this area relative to getting emergency vehicles through in that location and they've had this discussion I understand it amongst HOA and residents and they have gotten consent from the resident to address this location in particular and put up no parking signs on the inside of curve um at this location. We've talked about the possibility of further restrictions and this is about I think where they're at in terms of recommended locations. Um certainly if there's more in the future we'll entertain them I guess as they come in but right now this is this is the location they would like to proceed ahead. I

can I ask what the width are of those roads of that road in there. Yeah. Google Maps I came up with about 24 feet or 24 and a half, but I didn't know if he yet. Yeah, that sounds about right. That's about right, too. Yeah, I don't have maps open. The proposed section is strictly in one homeowner's property. He always has his vehicles filled up behind his garage. Okay. So, the width of the the issue with width or emergency vehicle access would be the same and the streets are the same width throughout the entire subdivision. Right. Right. So, it's what is it the curvature in that area that makes it special or should the should it be that way on at least one side of the entire of all the streets? Well, quite frankly, if Joe was here, he'd tell us that he'd prefer no parking on street regardless because that code in the International Fire Code is 26 feet one inch for parking on one side only. I'm just trying to figure out why it's just this corner that I think it's probably a good idea, but why are we I think she could get the property owner instead of the property owner is Is that a street down the middle? But the issue it's like an alley drive, right? Why not? They're all rear entry garages. Yeah. So, they don't rear and all of them have a driveway along with their garage at least parked two or three. But there's still a lot of cars out on the street. Yeah, that's I I drove through there the other night. I guess where I struggle is we're going to take one little we're going to take one person's property and make it no parking where the streets the same width the the curve on the tops the same exact curvature. That to me is if we're going to do it, it should be more uniform than just more

or less one person's property. We're saying you can't park in front of their property. um driving through there with a car on where they did park across from each other. I mean, being in a truck, I'll tell you, it was tight to go between two cars because in some places they park right across from each other. Plus, right now they're still private, aren't they? U the the alleys are private. The streets we maintain, they're parking. And this is on the street. Yeah, this is on the street. I I would entertain that we mark one side of the entire set vision as opposed to just one corner. Well, I I think you were hinting around at this earlier, Mr. Loy, when you're talking about the fact that taking a fire truck down straightaway is one thing. Taking it around a curve is a whole different animal. So, uh so you know that I would see as Mr. and said to our vehicles parked in that circle, it especially if they end up on both sides, that's going to pose ingress and regress problems again. Okay. Well, I I agree. I I agree with the idea of hitting one side of the street all the way down. Yeah, you might want to talk to the council member who lives in the subdivision about that. Yeah, that's understand. Well, if they are really unhappy with that, I mean, go with the arc of the street from the last house on this side so that we're at least in that turn radius. You know, we're protecting that turn radius. Yeah. I mean, there may be something you're an engineer that that that is special section that I have no clue about. If it's different than the top section, so be it. But otherwise, I'd say all of them that have the similar characteristics, we should mark them. Otherwise, it's conceivable next year we could be back. Well, they'd like to expand that to the next two houses. Two houses, but not the one in the middle.

But not the one in the middle. So, but I think it would be good for uh for the council member to Yeah. elaborate on maybe she has the answers as far as why it's just that section. I If you'd like to postpone it, we can ask her to attend the next meeting. I think we should. I I also think that he's asking for it. Everybody has to come down those alleys that they're one way. So, everybody has to come out there. And I'll guarantee there's probably been a car parked there when he's leaving. That if that weren't parked there, you could see better because you do have the grass there. But if there's a car parked there, but everybody has to come down that way. So, you'd have to come down and go left or right. Um, so if you were going to do limited, you could probably do both left and right around the ark. Yeah. And that would keep if if it's a visual thing. I don't know if that's the case. Top part of that arc is this cul sack, right? Additional culac. Yeah. But aren't there arcs at if you were to extend this down? Isn't it just a big oval or barely? It's Yeah, it's the oval. That's correct. Yeah. So, there could be at the other end too similar. It's the main the main road is at the other end. Um pull it up and it crosses behind the hillside there. That the first street coming in I always thought was amazing. It's just a dead end to stop. You go down by the park. Had to back up for back the whole distance. I drove up to the new parking area, but that's right along the trail. Rick, we were in there two years ago, maybe. Remember? Yeah, we were in there a couple years ago. And actually, I think we we looked at made we actually did put some signs up um I believe at the uh first intersection off of the main road to um provide a more room for for them to turn. Um when this has come up, my recommendation

was to start looking at park on the inside of the curve and the where we're looking. So that the main thought from my perspective if you're going to bring in parking restrictions is to treat the curve and this is essentially treating half of the curve on the inside. So it's a start in the right direction. There's another property owner that would be involved if you do the whole curve side because you really don't have a door. I mean it's not like you're parking in front of your house because that's a sideyard on his house, right? So most like trivia. Yeah. Yeah. That first street is what is confusing because it is blocked and once you get back past about three quarters down where that turnaround spot is, you got to back all the way back up because it's all rear entry garages. So you can only get in and go halfway down that street. That reduces traffic in the neighborhood. Yeah, it sure does. back there. I guess my my my thoughts would be either do the both sides of that curve, come back and propose that or I would probably vote no to just do that one corner. So that would kind of be up to I guess a petitioner to decide do we want to revisit it or do we want to vote it now? In which case I know I won't know. I'm guessing the majority of the people want to be able to park out in front of their house when they have guests or whatever, right? This guy doesn't have that same problem. So, he's the one that's kind of saying, "Hey, put in front of my place." Well, it would be different if he would site safety restrictions or something, but he's not. He just doesn't want people parking in front of his house. I mean from in my opinion if it's based on ingress egress for fire equipment the top part of the oval is the same as the

bottom part of the if that's our basis for saying no parking if it's strictly for that property owner um I struggle with that because then how do you treat the next property owner who wants it just in front of their house is there anything that prevents us from recommending now that and I don't have the property numbers that from up there all the way around. No parking. I mean, that's more than she asked for, but that I would vote for and and you guys would have to get the specifics on where that begins on the top side, but include the top part of the oval as well as as well as what was mentioned in here. Well, I know close to Windsor Meadow up there as you go down Windsor Crest, it's no parking for the first part of that section anyway on this arc. Uh on on the loop, the beginning of the loop, it's no parking. All right. Why is it no parking there? I think because of the corner making the corner. Yeah, I think we allow more room in past years. Yeah. Is that something degree corner there? At some point in the past, that's been that's a little playground there, right? Well, this did come up uh I don't know when it was two or three years ago um in the subdivision and at that time we talked about restrictions and that's what we settled on was uh in the very early in the vicinity of the main road we did put and I don't have the number of the restriction in hand but we added sign put a restriction in at the very top of the street um off of Windsor Meadow Boulevard. Do you believe the petitioner would be in favor of including the upper ark? Well, I I don't want to speak for the

HOA, but again, they did explicitly request this property. So, my understanding was they were comfortable with this location because the property owner consented well allowing it. Parking restrictions are challenging sometimes. So, I don't know that the next property owner is going to be receptive. I have no idea. Some people are are Lee are very much opposed to it. Thank you, Marshall. I just wanted to default real quick. Um, in your professional opinion, Rick, I mean, do you think this is a necessary parking restriction? you know, unless and I I would also agree that only obviously I don't have a vote here, but implementing this parking restriction just for this property because it seems like they just don't want to have them park in front of it, it it sets a pretty negative precedent where we're going to have these come back time and time again. Um, if there is a safety consideration that you see, Rick, I would be uh or Director Brown, I'd be very interested to hear that just to just to know. But I mean from your professional opinion, do you think a parking restriction here is necessary for safety purposes in that subdivision? If you were going to enact parking further parking restrictions, that would be the location to do it. And the second location would be the property further to the north on the curve on the inside. Okay. Well, I appreciate that. And then I just will have another quick note that you know obviously we we try to keep public roads open as much as we can. We want that to I would I just setting dangerous precedent. I I think if you know the board would like to proceed I I agree with uh board loyal board member Loyal's uh suggestion that you know today would we you know maybe want to look at the north side too and do both or do none. But thank you appreciate it. Sure. Um, Marshall,

happy to follow up with the council member and or bring or request your presence at the next meeting and we can discuss it at that time if you'd like. Make a motion to postpone to the next meeting. Motion to postpone this for information gathering for the next meeting. Do I hear a second? Well, second. All in favor? I I opposed. Motion carries. Next up on the agenda is the proposed wildwood snow removal policy. Board members, um this next item we talked about, I believe at the April meeting and so I brought it back um in draft form is our policy for your review and comment. Um go through this um as much detail as you like. I'm just going to do my best to give you an overview of the high the high 20 50 points of the policy, but we have put together a draft snow removal policy. essentially what by and large what we've been doing for many years um and I think it would be helpful to do this um just to ensure better continuity between our contractors and transparency with elected officials you know boards such as yourself and residents so um like to get your feedback on the policy is presented tonight if you're comfortable with moving forward I think the intent would be to that endorsement of the board and then follow that up uh with asking for the council's approval of it as well. So, um relative to the policy, I was going to kind of go through a few a few of the definitions in the policy um didn't want to get policy that was too lengthy or too um too in the weeds, but we've essentially

divided our streets um into three categories with the policy. And that would be our what we're are calling our arterial streets which are red on the graphic. This is a typical snow route map. Um we do divide our streets or 350 lane miles of streets into snow routes 25 or 26 depending on how you slice it. Um so this would be one snow route of of all the menus that we have. Didn't intend to go through all of them but we certainly can if that's what you like to do. But this gives a pretty good sense of the approach. Um, again, we divided our streets, our city streets. We don't treat ODOT roads or county roads, 109, 100, Clayton Road, Old State Road, or ODOT County roads. Those are not ours. But the city streets, we haven't divided into our turtle roadways, lecture roads, and basically local or culde-sac streets. So, a little hard to see. Well, maybe I don't know if anybody's color blind or not, but that might present a problem. But the red is the arterial roadways. The magenta, as I call it, are the collector roads. And then the green are the local/coldac streets. So essentially, when we respond to a snow event, the category level service one streets are arterial roadways. Level service two or second priority would be the clutcher roads, the magenta streets. And then the third priority or level service three would be the green streets, the uh culacs or the local streets. So effectively what we intend to do is when it starts snowing and we respond, we will clear try to plow and treat the level of service one and two streets. So try to keep those passible.

So we'll continuously plow and place salt on the arterial streets and the magenta collector roadways. The thought there is the collector streets and the arterial streets of the main roads in and out of subdivisions. So the most of the magenta streets if they're not considered arterial streets provide significant access for subdivisions. And what's left over in a lot of cases are just culde-sac streets abudding those collector streets. So when we respond to the event, we get our trucks on the road. They'll be assigned to those level service one and two streets. So they'll be traveling those routes, plowing them, treating them with salt, essentially continuously trying to keep up with the snow and they will be ignoring the green streets. And that's pretty much what we've done before. Um now the thought is once we get into a longer event or a more significantly accumulating snowfall we will drop back and run the green routes. So we won't leave them be unless we get to a point where we get what do I put in here is the the what I what I put in the policy is once the snow has accumulated to 3 to 4 in where it's been about 6 to 8 hours we will consider dropping back and getting our vocal streets. And again, there's going to be some judgment involved in this um because it's going to depend on the situation at hand and the forecast um that we're facing at that moment in time. So, it's not hard and fast. But the idea is we don't want to leave the local streets too long. People will expect us to come through at some point and if we don't show up, they're going to start getting antsy and we don't really want to get to a situation we have much more than 4 inches of snow on them. Um, so again, so we would stay on the arterials and the collectors and then make a decision, a judgment about

dropping back, getting the local streets and at least having a run with the plow and treat them with salt and if the snow is still continuing, we would jump back on to the the collectors in the arterial streets and and treat and plow them again. So, it's setting that that framework where we we we will not be on the local streets and those cold as heck streets until we've accumulated about 3 to 4 inches of snow or it's been about 6 to 8 in duration in a longer event. So, if it's a considered a 30 48 hour event, 24-hour event even, we will drop back and get those local streets at that point in time. Again, this is pretty much what we've been trying to do as it stands now. So it's not new. It's not really a change. It's just putting it in writing that when people ask, we can say yes, this is the adopted policy that we've been following and we intend to continue to follow. So I think that's really the main gist of the the policy. I would say for level service one, level service two, and level service three, I did throw some goals in the policy. So for level service one and now let me let me backtrack a little bit and state. So we have when we plow we first clear streets. We plow them and treat them with salt. We're just trying to plow essentially a a lane width or two lanes on on a two-way street. Um and then we come back when we're done when the storm is over after we've plowed and treated or cleared the road. will come back and clean. So when we clean, we are cleaning up the roadway. We're going to push the shoulders so the shoulders are clear. We're going to take more attention at intersections so that we clear the snow back off the roadway at intersections or at the roundings. And the main thing that really comes

into play is in subdivisions, we're trying to push the snow back close to the curb and clear the culde-sacs. Um the culde-sacs take a lot of time. That's another reason why we're we're trying to stay off them until we until it's the appropriate time. The culde-sacs take a lot of time to clean. We can run a path through so we get cars through during the storm, but they're 26 foot in width and it takes a bit of effort to clean those culdeacs. So the goals that we have in here for level service one streets for our trail roads, we're trying to clear them within 4 hours after an average snow event and then essentially clean them by the next work period. And then the goals for level of service for collector streets, we would have them cleared within four hours again after an average snow event is done and then cleaned within the next work period. So those are essentially consistent. A lot of ways we're treating those two the same. But for side streets, culde-sacs, the goal was to um clear them within 6 to 8 hours of the end of the event and then clean them within two work periods. Um so a little longer potentially to get those culde-sacs and those those local streets cleared and clean. Is this for pre-treating and ice control as well? Same rules. So this is this is after the snow starts on the road. This is responding to an accumulating snow where we are plowing and salt. Um that's that's the main is this is part of Manchester Road wildwoods. Um, Manchester is Wildwoods. Yes. Wild 100 is mods. Right. No, I was just I saw it up there. I didn't realize that.

Okay. Um, so you said this is fundamentally what you're doing now. I know. And I can just first of all, I think you guys do a great job. I've been very extremely pleased with snow removal, but I can't imagine a contractor coming in in my case going on Cherry Hollow Court and bypassing the two little off streets that come right off of that, which would seem crazy. That's when you get the phone call, hey, the pl on the main street and it didn't come down the maybe they're not aware that those are public streets now. That kind of thing. And the other question is if the if the contractor does just go in there and do it, is is there is he at fault? Well, we'll be looking as best we can. So, when we have a snow event, we have at least we typically plan to have at least two people out at all times. If it's coming down during the daytime, a normal workday, we'll typically have more. So, you when we're out there, we're trying to drive the routes as best we can. And that's what we're looking for is that they're following our expectation. So if if they are um you know, if we see that they're not following it, then we'll we'll bring it to their attention and and try to correct it is the idea. Um we can't be on every street. No, I I think like I said, I think you've done is there I guess I'm curious. I think it's probably good to have a policy, but is there have there been areas that haven't been attended to because for some reason there's been concentration in the lower priority streets? Like I said, I think you've done it. Have you gotten complaints that it's not getting done? We have I can uh Rick, if you don't mind, I can jump in there. After that, it's okay if that's okay. Um, generally, I would say no, we don't get complaints. We did have an a storm this winter. Um, and we had questions about why we didn't come back and and treat our local culde-sac streets. Um, and it was a larger snow event and it was

intentional. Now, there was other issues that came out of that storm, but by and large, I think people understand it and they don't they don't question it. This is just putting it in writing. So, we get a new council member, we can say, look, this is how we've been doing it. This is what we brought to council and this is what we've agreed to do. Um, it's just memorializing it. So it's in black and white and we we do you foresee to on a typical future snow event that someone and you certainly use my street for an example will have lesser service than they had this year based on your new policy. No, I I don't this is not what the intent is by any stretch. We're not trying to reduce service to anybody by doing this. It's just trying to put it in black and white. these. Well, first I I definitely think it's a great idea to have a policy, a written document, and I think it's a great job of putting one together. Um, I know a lot of work goes into that, having written policy within a corporation before and trying to prioritize. Um, I always called it the expect and inspect, which especially since we're using subcontractors, they own something, they know what they're supposed to do, and you're able to inspect it. So, I think having consistency and as you say a written policy, here's what we're doing. Times it'll have to be I'm sure changed, but I think I think it's a great idea and I applaud the the document you put together. Mr. Lee, you have your hand up. Thank you very much, Marshall. And I just wanted to also echo that sentiment. Um, I know that the public works team does an amazing job. I mean, these storms we've had, not only with snow, but also with other storms this year, it's it's commendable for sure. Um, and in that case too, uh, just to give a little reference here, I know it's not included tonight, but it will be

included in a, uh, future legislation, uh, probably a resolution to affirm it. But this route map is typically a larger size and it is put on 11 by7 uh, paper and it's actually distributed to our contractors. So, they have a nice big piece of paper showing them what are those main routes and where the routes they need to be going and putting most attention to first. Um, this is more so setting up just some expectations. I I did just have a couple notes I wanted to add in there um of maybe some things we could add in to before we would have it in front of council um of expectations of the contractors of more so having uh almost like a threshold of what what is a cleared street. So, it's really seeing pavement. 80% I mean Rick, I know you're the professional here, so I'll default to you, but like 80% is just a number that I I've seen other cities have in theirs. Um, having 80% at that those thresholds you said timewise. Um, that's what we would consider cleared at that point so you can get a car moving through. So having some very firm understanding of that is what is acceptable to us and if it's at you know 50% of the road is not cleared then that's when we would you know call them out and say hey this is you know you're not following our our guidelines and this is going to be obviously worked into our agreements with them as well. But um I also thought it would be pertinent if we could just because having the council's uh direction on it is always way better than having the staff just default. But uh we do get a lot of questions and Rick, I know you could speak to this, but about driveway aprons and residents wanting us to clear things that are not public right away. And when we with how expensive snow removal is, I I just don't think we we really want to get into that game and potentially also noting that we don't clear sidewalks as well. Um so having those both understood that the city is responsible for the roads. We are going to clear the roads, but we will not, you

know, clear your driveway apron. will not clear. Uh any personal private property that you have um landing strips um then so having something in there for that. Another item uh and this can all be included and bring brought back or we can bring it straight to the council. But um having also a kind of a with it being an emergency, what happens if we have a road that just got missed? The contractor I don't expect this to happen. Our contractors are great. The team's great at getting out there and inspecting it. But if we go out there and we inspect something and it is in terrible shape, we have a road that's completely covered in ice still and it's dangerous, having a reporting mechanism where hey, the minute that that's noted, it runs up the flag pole and then we get that out. And that kind of ties into my next item, which would be u and this would probably come from more from administration with the help and assistance from um the public works department, but having uh a comm's plan that we have been implementing as well. On the other side, we've been communicating what streets are cleared. Uh the hope eventually is to have some type of map that would show which roads still need some attention, which roads don't. We're working on that. It's going to take some time because it's uh Destin here actually. Kudos to him. He's one creating these maps you're seeing now. But um that that would just be helpful too to have a communications component and then also showing at what level do we make that communication that it goes from, you know, the city administrator then reaches out to the council. lets them know that, hey, this street is not covered. So really, you know, if it's had if there's still, you know, 100% ice on a road, a major arterial or a major connector road, then that's when we would have that threshold met. Um, and then also, uh, one last item, maybe touching upon pre-treatment. Um, I that is going to be a judgment call. I know that Rick and Scott um our superintendent streets they we we try not to use the salt if if the snow is

not going to fall but um having something where it's more so ensuring that another doubling down of an expectation to our contractors that even though the priority for snow clearing is our art our main streets that these culde-sacs need to be pre pre-treated as well because if you don't pre-treat them that's going to be the the recipe for disaster. So, not necessarily having pinpoint requirements, but having very specific expectations listed for our contractors that then we could work into future contract language when we're defaulting to this uh this future legislation. Um, and then one last item, um, just and this will be a future one. We'll probably have to amend the snow route, but having the snow routes just updated um on a you know, it could be a bannual or yearly basis depending on when roads are coming in uh could be helpful just to keep it updated. But I just wanted to provide some notes that we could kind of maybe tailor on and a lot more of the some administrative items, but just to kind of keep cost low. I do really think it's important though, we get a lot of requests from residents um that they would like us to clear their aprons. they'd like to have us clear the sidewalks next to them. And it's just it's impossible for us to do that with the current funding constraints. Um, considering 350 lane miles are cleared when we have to do a significant snowstorm. I mean, we have the contractors to do it. But I really just want to be able to set that that expectation and have that in writing and approved by the council so we can defer to it when when residents are saying, "Well, I pay my taxes and I think you should clear my driveway apron." Well, in this case, if we did that for everyone, we would we would we would lose track and then the service that we've been providing that's I think has been excellent um could see a hit. So, just a couple notes there and I'm I'm more than happy to answer any questions. I know Rick might have a couple responses to the items I just covered as well. Thank you.

Question I can't see there's writing on it. What color would this street here be? Like one here, this green? That would be the magenta. Magenta, which is this which is a collector. Yeah. I think what we we're looking at here is the policy reflects what what has traditionally done in the past regarding snow removal. Uh it was suggested by the city to have a policy and bring it before the public safety and if my memory serves me correct, we have members of the board of public safety that wanted to at least see the policy before we supported it. So we're kind of now at the position that we've seen the policy. We know that it reflects more or less what the city has traditionally done in the past. Um and we've had an opportunity to look at it. So my guess is at this point of public safety probably should pass a motion or entertain a motion that we support this policy and it's about being presented to the city council for a resolution to act and I would be willing to make that I just want just one confirmation realistically this policy will not you do not anticipate that Any citizen that currently is receiving services or will have lesser services. What do you listen? Not at all. This would this is just codifying what we're already doing. How people not service? Yeah. That the policy will not result in reduction of service. Right. That's correct. I make the motion we support policy. I second it with the addition of uh looking into the additional things. I can I thank you and I can uh get with

uh Mr. Brown and we can have that worked up. I have some notes here and I think we can have something really nice put together for the next council meeting. All right. So the Yes, sir. Just just one more comment and we can do this later against the council. I think because there is such good work in it, it does explain it. We ought to figure out how to get it packaged to get it to the subdivisions, to the trustees of the subdivisions to communicate it. I think the one that done for years about how to keep the snow from rolling over your driveway is to clean that 10 or 15 feet before you get to the driveway. I mean, but a lot of that people don't know. And so, and we're always constantly trying to figure out how do you communicate more with them? Maybe with our communications manager, we could kind of narrow down. Most of the subdivisions have websites now. I'm sure if we had it into a link, they would have a better understanding. So maybe just one more step as it gets to council is how do we communicate it to to the subdivisions? I I think this is one of the ways we get a lot more support from the subdivisions if we give them some things that make them feel as if they're covered pretty good. And Mr. Marshall, hand up and then Mr. Lee after that just something popped up in my head regarding uh trash services. Does any of this do you anticipate would impact when the if the trash wouldn't pick up? Well, usually usually I mean they've been postponing. Yeah, if the snow is accumulating generally they will cancel and postpone to the next day. So they're they're pretty quick to do that. Um I don't I don't expect this would change really anything they do. I agree. there could definitely be more work communicating with HOAs and I think Paula would be very receptive to helping us find better ways to do that. Um it's always been a desire but it's always been a little challenging because those as you know the trustees change frequently. Well I don't think and

there's something else too we could do um with your permission Marshall. Yes. Go ahead. Um Dustin here has made an amazing interactive mapping tool that I I use on a daily basis. It shows which streets are um maintained by the city. It also outlines subdivisions. So, I'm almost thinking there's a way we could incorporate that where a resident and this will take some time because it's it is a complex uh it's GIS technology which is a little complex to integrate on the website and have additional info on it. But we could maybe have something where a resident could look up their their look up this map once we're ready to publish it and they would then be able to click on their subdivision or any subdivision quite frankly and get guidance like a how-to guide how to help the city help you when we're going through a snowstorm. And that'd be something I'd be more than happy to communicate with the HOA or even have an open house for it as we get into the winter winter months after this policyy's passed. But I think we could definitely put something together. I know Paula will be thrilled to do it. Um, but I we will be relying on Mr. Brown and his team just since they have the expertise, but thank you for mentioning that, Mr. Marshall. Education piece is going to include trying to get your feet off the street. No. All right. So, we have a motion to support this policy for presentation to the city council. Do I hear a second? You got a second already. Second. All those in favor? I. Any opposed? Motion carries. The policy uh with Mr. Lee's comment working Mr. Brown will be present to the city council. That concludes all of our agenda items unless we have something under miscellaneous that someone wishes to bring.

Well, yeah. I don't know what the procedure is to add agenda items for future meetings. Uh, if you would if you have agenda items for meetings, you can forward them to Mr. Brown. He will ensure that they get on the agenda. I mean, I think that'd be the best approach. Um, if if I have any concerns, I'll let you know or I'll And what's the deadline prior to the meeting? Um, well, ideally as much time as you have. um we try to post the agenda the Tuesday prior to the Thursday meeting but if it require if it's something that requires some research or some work um I may not have it on the agenda that's you know if that's something that's part of the equation so keep that in mind um if it's a simple you want something to be discussed I mean that doesn't require us to do much work or background or research we should be able to put it on the right and the and if I can add to that the main that is is being staff time. So, I mean, if and we could even create something where it's a distribution um where if you send an email or if you wanted to have a form, it could automatically notify the marshall could automatically notify Rick, captain, and myself uh of the request. And then obviously the marshall's looped in. But one thing that we've kind of said for some other committees lately is that um if something is going to require a significant amount of staff for research that that would first come to the board and then the board would speak on that and decide whether or not we want to allocate the staff time and resources to research it fully. So if it's something that's for disc just like Mr. Brown just said for re uh for discussion purposes want to talk about this we should look into it. I think that could be done very quickly. Um, that said, if it's going to require significant amount of staff time, then we would want to probably bring it up and then make the make the case and discuss why we need to research

it and then get the motion to officially go research it. Right. I can make and the reason I like to go through Mr. Brown is filtered twofold. One, he does a very good job of keeping me apprised of items that are being requested to be placed on the agenda. But secondly, and probably more importantly, is he serves as Mr. Lee is a very good filter about what comes before this board that's appropriate to come before this board. So it and I would agree with that from the lay community standpoint, but I think as a board member there should be greater latitude in what perhaps is up for discussion. Well, I understand what you're saying is as a board member, if I want to bring something up for discussion, I think I should have greater latitude and I would agree with that. Yes. As a board member, your time is valuable and your opinion is valued and you should have the opportunity to have matters that that you feel compelled to be part of a public safety arena be discussed and without a solid reason for them not being here, then they should be discussed. But if somebody wanted to come before this board because they didn't want any of the houses in Wildwood to be painted yellow, that's something we And I know at least one of the other committees on them in the city, there's a there's a place on the agenda for that the members of that committee have an opportunity just based just anecdotally during the conversation of the meeting to have closing thoughts or ideas without advanced notice. I wonder if that's possible. Miscellaneous. So miscellaneous is that miscellaneous it would fall. And I think Mr. Lee brings up a very good point. Understanding that if I drop a bombshell on this committee during miscellaneous that requires a lot of Oh, sure. effort by the city of Wildwood to either establish that it is a valid claim or

develop possible solutions. I guess I what I just don't want is being told that you're talking about something that's not on the agenda. Well, I think that in your defense, I would say yeah, you bring it under up on the finest items and with the understanding that in some cases it might require the city to do a lot of that really work for it to have us to have manageable information to work. Oh, absolutely. The topic if it's brought up under miscellaneous in theory, you all should not be making decisions on it because it hasn't been on the agenda. So if it's a matter that requires a decision or an action, then it should be on a subsequent agenda. So are you suggesting that miscellaneous items are not actionable? Not during that meeting. They're not meeting. Is that is that by policy or Robert's rule of law or what? I think it's Robert's rule of it's it's more of a it's more of a sunshine law requirement that you're taking action on a matter that's not on the official agenda. So the public has no opportunity to be informed of it. That that is correct. So the way it it's it is a public notice issue. So if under miscellaneous we want to have a discussion, there can be an action taken on it if if you bring up an item right now and say, "Hey, we'd like to look at parking restrictions on X Street under miscellaneous." And the the group says as a as a group and a body says a motion to say, "Let's go ahead and do that." Um at that point, it would then hopefully you put a timeline on it, too. and we would then have it on that agenda, but that would give us the proper posting time to allow the public to be able to provide public comment on it. It's more of a legal requirement. Uh to that end, I'd like to know when our next meeting is. I just looked. No, I'm on the agenda. There's no reference here. I know. Well, the meetings are on the city's calendar, so you should be able to find them there. Um we August 7th, the schedule meetings are even. kind of weird because it is the first Thursday.

Meeting should be generally the first Thursday of August. It's on the first Thursday. Yeah, we moved this one because several No, no, I understand. But it's on because I thought it was the last couple on the second Thursday. It has been. That's what I'm glad you asked. Be my question too is what what we need. I It'd be nice if we could have some consistency on because I know I do my calendar greater than just two months out. And if we're going to have it on the first Thursday, let's have it on the first Thursday. So, we establish the dates at the beginning of the year with the city calendar and that's reviewed by the city council and then we will put them in the online city calendar uh thereafter. So, in January, they're usually set up on our city calendar on those agreed upon dates. Now, obviously, if we get to that point and someone's not available, you know, we reserve the possibility of rescheduling them to do that. Those people were part of the latest related email exchange where last Thursday was not going to look. Well over half the members of the board, but well over half the members of the board agreed that they could do it this Thursday and that's why it was moved. So we're August 7th at 6:30 p.m. Right. Yep. We go back to the discussion on miscellaneous because we're only meeting every two months. And so part of this would be if you do have public participation, there are going to be situations where if the public comes in and wants some action on it, we've got to be able to get it through a discussion in miscellaneous. And if it passes out of that point, it can go to the council or one of the other subcommittees without waiting two months to take any action on it. Uh so we're not meeting every month. And we we went through this when we were talking about a possible change to the firearms coordinas in the city of Wildwood that

we're able to discuss offag agenda items but we can't take action on. Now, there's nothing that, unless I'm wrong, there's nothing that would prevent this committee if we had a hot topic item that we discussed in miscellaneia that needed action on on having an additional meeting, calling a special meeting. You you could certainly request or call a special meeting if there was a need to. Correct. You could post 24 48 hours ahead. But that's all I'm saying is sometimes and at least in my experience we've had some where waiting two months for something that went to the board of public safety wasn't really the best answer. It can get to the council without that. But so that's why kind of what Vince is saying if you had people come to the meeting used to then a lot of people came because we we didn't have all the capability of technology and so then you had to try to get it into some do a lot of research in order to figure out what their their answers are. So that's typically the attendance to meeting will vary depending on how hot the topic is. Absolutely. If it's not impacting a broad number of people, not a broad number of people show up. But if we would look at if we get involved in something that was going to involve making a discussion that would impact every resident of the city, we get we run a much bigger space. Yeah, I think that's good information. good discussion for us to have and good information to know is that we can bring items into the miscellaneous section of the meeting that are not on the agenda as long as everybody understands that we can't make a decision on them that night. I my thought was when we went to the every other month meeting, it was always conditioned on if we need to meet in the meantime in the middle or in the next month, we reserve that that as an option because we were meeting every month until we resolved several issues and

then we didn't have any agenda items. So, we moved to every other month. Well, and and part of that was Mayor Bolan was trying to streamline. We were really looking at all the city meetings we were having and we were trying to reduce unnecessary meetings. So that was part of it as well. To add one more thing to the miscellaneous any updates with the county on the crossing line of Lafayette? I know they said you'll get to it this next year. I'm just wondering his hand up. They will not. Uh thank you Marshall. Uh contact has been with made within the county obviously. Um, I know everyone here is knows about the fact that they will have it done before 2026 and it's been added to their official schedule. Additional conversation was had uh there was a different subject we were discussing about putting a sign on Old State at the time. Um, but we got into that conversation and they reaffirmed that they will not have it done prior to 2026. They're hoping to have it done u in the late spring months of 2026 is the earliest and they said there's not it's not going to be a day before that. Are they communicating that with the school board or are we I've commun uh the department's communicated that to the residents impacted and Rockwood school district knows about it as well. Thank you. Thank you. one one item the request was made contact the uh fire chief at Eureka Fire District. I have done that. He was not available this month but certainly for August. Any other topics for discussion? If you don't mind, Marshall, I just wanted to add one other item and and I just wanted to get the board's take on it. We got Rick and I got a a message from a resident. It's from one resident, but it is an interesting topic. It's outside of

Wildwoods control, but there's a small section of Shreker Road that has their speed limit 10 m less per hour than ours. And uh some folks have called this discrepancy. It's been one resident, but he's pretty passionate about it. And I didn't know if this is something that the board would want to entertain about potentially as a body making a request to the city of Ellisville to potentially change it. Um, that said, we can do it internally. Just wanted to kick that can for a second. I know Rick's laughing in there. I could see the request and I would be curious from the city of Ellisville and I'm sure they would provide us with the information. Even though the speed limit goes down by 10 mph, it's our city limit for the last 150 ft of that road or whatever it is. I would be curious how many tickets, if any, they've ever written there. And in their defense, they could throw back our very argument that the reduction in speed limit is because it's a 90 degree turn followed by a 90deree turn and they're slowing down traffic as a safety measure. It's higher in Ellisville than it gets lower. No, it's lower. Yeah. A lot of the Well, I don't want to go there, but anyway. Uh so there's been a change in the amount of revenue that cities are allowed to generate from traffic enforcement. So they impacted traffic enforcement all over the state of course. So I would if with the board's approval I can reach out to Ellisville on a 101 and ask them if they've written any tickets there and if so how many. My guess is it's somebody either one person got a ticket or they were they're curious why. But so the folks are come coming from Wildwood at one speed and they get into Ellisville and the numbers gone down right there next to the National Catholic Church

right where the city limits of Ellisville and Wildwood combined and it's it's a very small strip. So the suggestion would be say from Streker Road to where you from from Clayton Road all the way to one have consistent be with you. If you can take those last two curbs at 30 mph, God bless you. So is that what they're looking for? The to be the same speed limit. I think that's why they put it there. Slow people down because you have you have a 90 degree turn to the left. If you're going toward Manchester Road on Spreer Road, you have a 90 degree turn to the left, right in front of the storage lockers and then another 90deree turn to the right before you the light with with another road coming in from the side. Another road coming in from the side. And let's not lose sight of the fact that probably most of the people who are driving in and out of the assisted living assisted living facility there probably need a little more warning. So what what the contact wants us would like to see is that the Wildwood portion have a lower speed line. I think I think they want to know why Ellisville reduced it. Oh, why don't they call Ellisville? They did they did call Ellisville. there. And I I've uh reached out to the Ellisville city administrator and we're waiting I'm waiting to hear back from him, but he had me them messaged them back that this comes up from time to time and that their city council is reluctant to change it. So, I've asked for some additional background info. I can report back, but overall, I I I didn't want to get ahead of myself and spend too much time on this. If this is something we just don't even want to poke around, then I can report back that hey, there's not our board of public safety doesn't even want to poke around with this. we'd ever suggest. I would my my own personal opinion would be is I don't know that the Wildwood Board of Public Safety wants to interfere in the public safety measures of another city. I can relay that back to the resident.

Thank you. But it wasn't a decision. It wasn't a decision to do that. That's out loud. Just confirm. Yes. Yeah. On behalf of board of folks hearing no further items, I'll accept a motion for adjournment. Motion to adjurnn. Second is not motion. Mr. Roy seconded. All in favor? I. All oppose. Nay.