Parks & Recreation Commission - Regular Meeting

Okay, there we go. All right. Uh, what is it? 601 or something. TR stand for Yes. 601. 601. Yeah. I'm going to call the meeting to order. This is the regular meeting of uh parks and rec commission. Um May 7th. Waiting for others to join. Where are we? Okay, Missy. Yeah. Okay. Uh joins yourself. First thing to do is we'll we'll call for the PRC attendance.

We got uh Mary Ellen, Brendan, Missy, myself, and Don here. We have a quorum, so we're going to get going. And hopefully I know the only one I know it's not coming is Ryan. Yeah, Ryan's coaching. Yeah, he's coaching some team at some other town. Okay. Uh, and the first thing we're going to do is approve the previous meeting minutes and then we'll talk about what comes next. So, everybody read the minutes. They look fine. Oh, here comes Sarah. Yeah, Sarah. Hey, Sarah. Hi, Sarah.

Okay. Uh, we have Sarah here also now. Uh minutes look fine to me. And somebody make a motion to approve, please. I'll make a motion. I'll second. Okay. Uh any more discussion? No. All in favor? I

I opposed. Nobody abstained. Nobody. Okay. Uh now normally we go to the director's report, but I heard from Don Bugby that through Martha They've asked us to put Paul on this agenda and I believe we can do something like that even though the agenda was out before we Yeah, we could put him under any other new business. Oh, okay. Any other new business? So, we have to move new business up. Okay. So, for the sake of Yes.

need a motion. We can uh if somebody can make a motion. I'll make a motion to move new business up to second on the agenda. Yes. And then uh anybody second? Uh everybody okay with that? Any discussion? No. Okay. Okay. And also the second part of that is to I'm not quite sure what Mr. Fuks is here for, but put him under this section. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. All in favor? No. Okay. All in favor? I.

I. Anyone opposed? No. Staying? No. Okay. Uh, Mr. Folks, you were on the agenda at Martha's request, even though they didn't No one told us about it two days before.

I'm sorry that no one told you about it. Um, but this is pursuant to the meeting that you and Don and I had with Martha a month and a half ago, something like that. with regard to purchasing a dock section for the for the docks at Rogers Lake. One of the dock sections um keep it simple like blew up. The underside of it was cracked, big cracked. And um and so there's no way to fix it. We fixed other dock sections, but we couldn't fix that. Um the docks were purchased like 11 or 12 years ago when um the previous when um Bonnie came down there and said these docks are like unsafe when we found a donor amongst our rowing community to donate the like 50 grand at you know 11 12 years ago for the dogs and so and they were given to the town and now one of those sections has self-destructed and we'd like to replace it And um when we had our meeting um we had a price that was I think like 23 $2,400 for the dock section, but it was like another $1,200 for uh shipping. And so I said when I left that meeting I would try to figure out a way to reduce cost. um the the company that makes them wasn't um encouraged to u make good on this, you know, to try and sell it because it's way outside the warranty. But u the guy that sold the docks, the dealer was uh very understanding and he said, "Look, I'll buy a dock section. I'll have it here in Lichfield or or Pan or wherever he is up there. And if you can pick it up, I will there will be no shipping.

And so I have a quote from him for $238046 for the dock section. Um the high school team is uh goes up in that area for races on a regular basis and the week after this like 10 days from now we have the state championships at Lake Warog. We drive right by his flight. Not exactly but you know close enough and we could stop and put it on the trailer and bring it back at basically no cost. So my request is that um and Martha when we were had that meeting she said you know these guys bought the docks we have a problem. Um I think that we should find a way to buy a new section if I can paraphrase what she said. Is that true Don Bob what she

I think I think so. Yeah something like that. Anyway, so I have an invoice for it and my request is that um you know one way or another that you find the $238046 to um purchase the stock and if I have a check um in within 10 days I can you know I I drive the trailer so um I can stop there we can get some people to load it on the trailer and then bring it back. So that's that's the name of it. If you have any questions, are you aware that our last meeting we've had a thorough discussion about this? Did you read the minutes or anything?

I'm sorry.

Uh okay. Uh maybe I can read because we've already discussed this. Uh Bob Dunn reported that the meeting that you're referring to with Martha on March 18th with Paul, Martha, Donna, myself at uh talking about Hannes Park was a good meeting. The docks at Hannes Park are installed and are 67 1/2 ft in length, 10 ft wide, and 30 feet apart. There is a request a request from the rowing association for an additional dock section to extend the length of one dock. Uh the quality of the dock sections have been a disappointment over the years as there's I'm just going to add this part. They're current. They're always being repaired it seems

and if you I've looked into warranties and if you get a good warranty that whoever sells them to you can repair them too. But anyway, that's just an aside I wanted to add. The uh commission feels that at this time the purchase of an additional dock section is more of a want than a need, such as dredging the lake is is really a need, especially since the docks are presently longer than the original agreement of 60 ft in length. Brendan McKeven moved to approve the allocation of funds to purchase one more dock section for the town-owned docks at Hannes Park. There was no second to that motion and all members voted against motion. And as I think we pointed out, or at least I did to you and then send you some documentation that the request for these docks were by for 10 by 60 foot docks and and and You were also the one that made that recommendation to the It's It's in the minutes, Paul. You were the co-chair. You should know about it. But anyway, uh let me finish, please.

I I I I sent it to you and Martha and Don just to show you that that was the case. So currently because these docks are longer and quite frankly the craftsmanship of these docks has been been questionable of all the problems we've had that basically kind of feel like it's throwing good money after bad there. Not any type of warranty anymore. It would be on this section.

Okay. But I also add just to add to the conversations that we kind of had at that meeting that I think I I've had actually I showed you where all the docks were over the years with the satellite photos. Uh basically these docks are longer than currently what was requested and agreed to under a documentation between the town and the school which is responsible for the rowing pro program and also a agreement that the school made with the rowing association. So basically, I don't see why we would throw any more money after it. I looked into where these docks, and there's a the company that will give a 10-year warranty on docks if we have to start buying more docks. It's a a connect dock situation. Now, until we get to 10 by 60, I don't see. And not only that, you've added 8 foot ramps to these docks. So currently you have 8 feet on top of 67 and a half. This was not what was agreed upon. So basically, and I went over all this with the commission and those notes in the minutes are very accurate as to why the commission didn't think we should be buying those type of docks anymore. And in the future, if we're going to need some more docs, we probably have to get a better warranty, which [clears throat] which connect the doc, I believe it's connected doc has a 10-year warranty, and they say that they'll actually fix the docks, too.

All right. Can I just ask a question? I wasn't at the last meeting. I wasn't able to attend, so I might be behind, but how big is the section of dock that you're talking about replacing of the 72 ft 7 and 12 ft by P. Okay. So it is the extension of the 60 ft that you're talking about is currently we have 67 and 12 ft of these yes these two of them and then we have an approximately an 8ft ramp that goes out from the Okay. So so Brendan made the motion and everyone else voted against it for what reason? Was it based on the length? It was based on the fact that without this dock that is broken,

if they remove the dock that's broken, it's the dock goes back to

the original intent. Okay, that's what I was gathering. And secondly, uh that there when it all started out with the rowing association finally putting money together and then agreement between the town and the school and the rowing that these were going to be town docks that you when you first got these docks, it was beautiful. There was just two 60 ft sections right from the land. You've already increased it by in fact I don't think you ever told Don Bugby you didn't tell Don Bugby or myself or the commission what you were doing with those broken docks until finally more docks were appearing. So until we get down to 60 ft I I don't see why we would you know follow through on any want rather than need. The docks were purchased before the boat house project. So there was no the boat house project while the docks were an accessory to what we did. The docks themselves were not part of that project. And the reason that there's 60 ft of docks is not because anyone agreed. It was because we got $50,000 and $50,000 was what you could purchase. you could purchase two 60 foot docks. They have always had ramps on them to get from the land to the dock. I I just have the hardest time understanding why. There's a concern about how far the dock extends out into the lake. I mean, it's not a visual problem, but it is when you're bringing in in the summer and I have more than 50 kids and they're all trying to come in singles, doubles, fours, and they're coming into the dock and they're trying

to leave by 8:00 so that we can run our learn to row program. A little bit more length on the dock means that like we can get two pores on one dock. Right now, we can only get one floor on the dock. So, it's a matter of being able to work with the flow of the activities that we provide when we're, you know, when we're active. And, you know, we're we're not trying to, you know, we're not trying to sneak anything in or whatever. Um, how come we never knew about these docks breaking in the beginning and you were fixing them? And how come we didn't know that they were being extended past 60 ft until we finally had a meeting down where you explained what you were doing?

I don't know the answer to that because because you did not or somebody in the organization did not report that at all to the town representatives. That's entirely possible that someone did not report that the doctor said no no that that's all it was because we went 60 and we got one more on each end and then just recently we've had this problem with one more section which um in fact um I think I lose track because we worked with the I'll tell you what it was the kayak launch and they ended up we ended up using that on our dock because they weren't using it anymore.

There were four extra sections from the original agreement that eventually started appearing down there and and so that it was basically not 10x60t docks. They became 10 by 75 ft docks. But can I but we then we the town then loaned one to the kayak people to try and set up their safe kayak launch which didn't quite work out well down there and then didn't work out well at the at Connecticut River. So I I don't I

can I ask that question for clarification? So, so there wasn't an agreement between the road, you know, there was a contract. There was a but there wasn't a reason for 60 foot other than that's what the money. It wasn't like this is as far as we're going to go. I'm just just want to understand a little bit. Is that correct in your mind too?

I I took part in both house meetings once we were put on that. Don and I were put on it as voting members, which we were at least even Don wasn't originally a part of the boat house uh committee. Uh the that committee built the boat house and at the same time I guess they got these this contribution and they offered that the agreement with regional district 18 and the town based on what came out of the boat house meeting that actually Mr. Fuks was the one that recommended that the program need a 10 by 60 foot docks. It's in documentation.

Mr. Fuks didn't read budget.

It sounds like it's that's what the money would buy. It wasn't like riparian rights or we don't need it for access for boats or it's obstructing the swim lanes. It sounds like it was what the money bought. I'm just trying to characterize how kind of how what I'm hearing. I I think there was I I it's so long ago, but I think actually that they had enough money for 10 2x 10 by 60 foot docks and maybe a little leftover. Okay. Uh but anyway to go back to it there was an agreement contract and in the contract it says two 10x60 ft docks. In the discussions where Mr. Fuks was a co-chair he was the one recommended and pushed for the motion that was unanimously approved for two 10x 60 ft docks. Now, right now we have two 10 by 67 and a half foot docks as well as the ramp way that extends it a little bit more.

How long is the ramp up? You know, seven or eight feet, something like that. So, they're about 75 ft. Yeah. Mostly on land, but just about there's two of them, right? There's two. Yeah, there's two. Oh, well, there's three now because they have one for the uh the chase boats. So anyway, uh and and the discussion we had at the meeting last meeting was that if we're going to need some more docks, these connected docks ones, maybe we should get a different manufacturer because these things I also read that

that this other this other warranty which is for 10 years actually said that you can actually leave these stocks which I wouldn't recommend. on a lake even when there's ice because the way they're designed the pressure it's [clears throat] it's what is Mr. What's the warranty for the replacement docks that are They're like two years. Okay. I mean, the docks themselves, the warranty, I believe, was two years. And And we've already got gotten 11 years old, right? I mean, they're way past warranty. No, I think the original warranty was seven or eight years, right, Paul? I believe the original warranty was either seven or eight years. Uh, which I also found.

Yeah. There was there was a longer warranty, but it didn't cover everything. Yeah, that the warranty did not and and what was it that they were charging $1,200 just to deliver [clears throat] one dock or something like that which I'm trying to understand. Are you suggesting that all the docks need replaced with a greater warranty and that's a reason to reject this? Or is it the length of the dock or both? What's that? The length of the dock was what was everybody agreed to when the docks were became town docks was 10 by 16.

I understand. I guess I'm trying to understand like whether move towards being in favor or not already said before at the start of this meeting it sounds like it's a want versus a need. last at the last meeting there was a lot of discussion about this and I think possibly I don't I don't want to speak for anyone but myself but me possibly some confu confusion on the want verse need thing you're saying yeah I guess not needed but it would be very beneficial to have a longer dock valuable to have to have a longer dock and [clears throat]

and I think maybe it seems like the process got a little jumbled like Instead of coming and saying can you give us the money to buy the dock, it would be we would like to change the verbiage on our agreement to get longer docks to start and then purchase. You do you know what I mean? Like we've never talked about the ability to extend the docks longer than what the agreement from 20 years ago. We never talked about it. We only talked about as a meeting that we had at the lake when they put in a request when when after we didn't even know that they were repairing docks and getting new replacement docks. They wanted to make the docks longer

and we said, "Okay, you have the docks. They're under warranty. You might as well use them, but this is not what was agreed upon." Again, I think your point is the right one. Their only agreement about the length of the dock was that's what we could buy. It wasn't that we wanted only 60 foot docks. If we had more money, we would have suggested longer, but we didn't have more money and we were we were happy that we had a donor that was willing to give them to the

I have to I have to comment on that too because actually if that was so important at that point, there was in the boat house money. It was supposed to be a two-phase project to build the boat house, move the basketball court, and then also to build a restroom and some other improvements down there. When the boat house, basically the the budget of the boat house was just a pile of money. And it was to the tune of 415, 478, and something. It was over $800,000. Well, anyway, there was $30,000 left and at that time we said that's it. No more money for the boat house or any other part of that that committee went away. And the $30,000 was applied to $150,000 extra the town put out in order to have the restroom down there. So there was money left over if the boat house people commission or not commission committee could have made an argument at that time but that argument never came up that we needed more because there was more money. There was still money left but that money was supposed to go towards phase two which never really materialized.

Can I ask a question? Oh sorry sir. No you do. What are the numbers of rowers currently compared to and both currently compared to when the doc when the agreement was made for the when we bought the docks rather than when the agreement was made would be my phraseology for it. Okay. It's rhetorical but um there's probably we having like 40 kids in the summer program and toxins and now we have 50 kids in the summer program plus toxins. you know, it's grown, but it hasn't like exponentially grown. We're not trying to overrun the place, you know, we're trying to to, you know,

something that we can manage in terms of coaching. Um, when Bob talks about the money left over, there was a lot of push back about what money was left and how much the boat house cost and all of this. and as a committee and as a as a you know as an organization um which I was part of like all three because I'm a coach for the high school and the director of rowing for for blood scholars hold on rowing um and I was on the I was the co-chair of that committee. We didn't feel like asking for more money was a really good idea right now because there still wasn't bathrooms and we knew that you know this there was a there were other things that needed to be done.

Yeah. all phase two of the project you know we were realistic about what the money was I think that's so are we viewing sorry and I don't want to bring cash up things that were I thought maybe I couldn't attend is it implicit in approving this extension and replacement that we somehow agree that whatever was 60 ft is now 67 and 1/2 ft and there's reluctance to do that or and we should revisit an evaluation of how long the stock should be or is there no question about that? I I think

I guess I'm just having a hard time understand trying to get save enough money to do things that are very important like dredging and we were turned you know. So was this a want or a need? Got it. And it's like you know you're running your household. Do we really have to have this or is it something we want? You know so that's where we were. So I would also mention that it's one last time. Thanks. put out a letter saying like he wanted the docks to be 30 feet apart and no longer than 70 for one dock and 67.5 for the other dock. So technically he already agreed that the dock could be long.

I have to comment on that letter.

I have to I know I made that letter without any knowledge. Okay, that the other dock that was going to make 172 I had no clue until we met with Martha that all of a sudden that dock was no good. So if I had known that and if I had known that dock was no good this the section that you said bottom was eaten out of or something. If I had known that in that letter, I would have said fine, two 67.5 docks uh by 10 feet wide. But I was in fact I I didn't even know about it until I got to that meeting that that doc was. But the only reason I said to use that is because you had that doc. But but my argument always was even at that meeting with Martha that this was not the contract that was agreed upon. And

and I don't know what the reason is, but you're actually in documentation showing that you suggested 10 by 60 foot docks. because we had okay so I I I don't know why accepted in your letter in the spring that the dock would be longer and only because I thought that doc existed Paul read I don't want to put you on the spot but you were at this meeting also with well I don't know if you shared your thoughts on this at the last meeting if you have thoughts on this I have no thoughts different than people are talking about here yeah we discussed all this stuff at at the last meeting actually done.

The only thing I might add, excuse me, the only thing I might add is Paul, can you just tell us you guys have had five riatas down there this spring? How how they all went well as far as I know, right? So that whatever is there can work, right? But keep in mind that when we're running races, we're running them every 10 minutes. I'm not like three boats or four boats will go out every 10 minutes. Yeah. So you've got one on each side of each dock and they leave. Yeah. And then you put four more boats in. So it's not like a rowing program in the summer where you launch 50 kids at, you know, 610 in the morning and you bring

50 kids back in at 7:50. That's, you know, very different regata versus the wrong program. Yeah. And this seven feet makes a big makes a big difference in that. Well, like I say, you can put two pores on one side of the dock or two quads, whereas right now the boats overhang so much that, you know, you can't get in and out.

Let me go back to your reply to Don. The regatas were one run very efficiently everything else. You're able to run the program. You're able to run a event down there. And those events are quite big. uh not as big as they used to be because we got involved with the superintendent and the athletic director requesting that so many schools not be invited because the whole area was overrun by too many people. [clears throat] Uh so uh this is this is a want this is not a need. Huh?

It's not about the high school program. Um question more for the committee and I and I remember this came up and I and I don't recall the the the issue of the money. How do we go about get getting the money? Well, let's just say we agree on the 2300 bucks if that's the number. H we just can write a check for that. No, the the way the way I thought I think I said it at that meeting. There's two I know I at least said it to Martha. There's two ways to possibly get money.

Okay. There's no I have no money in my parks and wreck budget to purchase replacement docks. I do have a line item called repairs and maintenance. I said you could take it out of there, but we'll go over budget on that or there's funds available in the Hannes Park, whatever they call it now, improvement fund. I said that's the only way you get two sources of money as far as I know. Do we know how much money is in the Hannes Park improvement fund? There's there's a lot. 38 or something. There's what 25,000 or something maybe still. But

but uh but I well you also discussed uh we've spent some of that money on tables and bike racks and we've done

53 we we discussed that with the playground the playscape I should say which we're going to talk about later that we're going to have to put in reinforced uh turf 3 ft wide path to go from the parking lot to the place gate because everything has to be handicap accessible. Just like at one point we put in the sidewalk which runs parallel to the basketball court because even though the boat house itself was ADA compliant, the access to it was not. In fact, the town had to put in more money for that and also for the handicap spots. So, uh, a lot of money has gone towards that project. And if you can run the program, if you can run the high school program, no problem on these 10 by 67 1/2 ft docks. I guys, I I I see that we're going to have other expenses to use this money on in the future. And I and what I proposed at the last meeting is if some of these docks more of these docks break that maybe it'd be best to get another 10x60 60 ft dock that's under better warranty than the warranty that exists existed for the docks we currently have.

How much would that cost approximately do you think? Oh, I I didn't get the prices. I mean, it was 25 grand for one 60 ft dock 11 years ago. I can't imagine what that is. And the other docks were all more expensive by 25 30%. Okay. I don't know what the you know what was then um you know something on the order of $25,000 you know just by inflation is probably 30 plus and then there was another 25 30% on top of that. So you're talking, you know, probably $40,000 to get a dock for one dot.

Yeah. Because I mean a section, you can do the math with the section for this is 2380, you know, um multiply the X times, you know, your multiplier and then say, oh well, it's going to be um you know, it's going to be another more expensive. So, so what we also discussed at the last meeting is if more more of these docks break rather than throwing good money after a bad product. It seems why not just make one dock of all these older docks and buy a new dock so that would be under a 10year warranty, a better warranty than the one we had.

So, you're suggesting that we make a longer dock than we have now. Because we would take all the wid sections and put them all in the line and then put another dock in. Well, not all of them. No, I'm not suggesting that at all. You put all of them into the

We can use the back. We use the extra docks as backup to use the older product for a 10x60 ft dock and buy a new 10x60 ft dock for 25,000 or whatever it's going to be. That'll be under a 10-year warranty. that's that at least for another 10 years we won't be replacing these because these correct me if I'm wrong Paul but probably almost not every other year a dock's being repaired one section yeah and we do it and put it back in yeah and it works for you know we don't fix it we haven't fixed any of them twice um it's a pain in the butt but you know it's you know

let me ask you how come with the other the co-chair called Jean Quentinto the boat house project and the two of us finding the hole plug it and fix it put it back in water I mean compared to spending you know another $40,000 on another dock I think that it's a pretty good deal I have and you know I think that given that we found donors to buy the docks to replace all the wood docks which were you know really important repair. Uh you know those years ago that you know putting up 20 30 2400 bucks to keep our community rowing program you know running smoothly I think is a reason deal.

Have there been any complaints about the length of the docks since they've gone from 60 to 70 ft. You mean by like neighbors or something? Nobody knows how long they are. I I do one thing I tell I mean if you walked out there you wouldn't be able to tell one back's longer than another really and this is a question I understand what you're saying about how it doesn't make sense to you why it would matter how far the docks go out into the water. I I understand that logic and that point. But the flip side to that would be how far can they go out? Wouldn't you think that it would be somewhat intrusive if they went out 200 feet? I'm sure they would. Yeah. I I think there's a limit.

Well, what do you think that limit is? I I I think it's more based on what's valuable to the program rather than trying to put more docs out there. I think the point is is what makes the, you know, the programs that we run out of there for a community um be efficient. And yeah, you know, 100 ft of dock would be long, but again, I mean, you look over there, you're standing at the beach and you look over there and it's it's a dot, you know. Is it disturbing to you in any way? Okay. Uh, I think I think we we've heard all the arguments. Uh, at this point, I think [clears throat]

uh before we make any type of we already made a motion that never went through. We tried with that last time. who came out against the docks that I would like to get together with district 18 to discuss what the contract says versus what Mr. Folks is proposing that we can have any type of size. Just ask a question. If the request wasn't to put up the money from the places that Don mentioned it could come from, would they need to come to us to replace the dock using their own money? Oh, no. They would anything that happens outside of the doors of the boat house,

they are supposed to come to the parking lot. Okay. So if instead it was no money is required, they're coming to us because they have a 6 7 and 1/2 ft portion that's in unrepable condition and they want to put that they want to put a new one in at their own expense. They need to come to us. Would you oppose the dock being 67 1/2 ft because of the agreement you're referencing with it being 60? Yes, because I believe in contracts and agreements. and second. Okay. So, you are opposed to the length of the dock and the other question at issue is should we spend the money? Is it a need or a want?

Because I there are two different two different things. Like I think the length of it is one issue and the cost of it is another. And I'm I'm not so sure I that there was a contract. It sounds like there's some dis I can send you the contracts. Okay. To to you as a as a attorney. You can read. I was involved with the contracts and the attorney too with Bonnie. Okay. as a representative. Okay. I would be glad to send them to you. I think that those are the two issues though, Sarah, if you're going to kind of break it down. Breaking down. Yep. So, are we are we making a judgment on this now? No.

I know. I I really because and I'd like to speak to district 18 uh about this because I have spoke to the superintendent about similar things like this and I want to get what he thinks about it because they signed an agreement. In fact, Mr. Mrs. Fuks signed the agreement that they had with district 18. I guess at that point she was the president of the rowing association. Can I ask just about the procedure with that though? What what would District 18 Why would they even take a position on this? Yeah, I I had the same question. Thanks for asking that.

Uh I'm sure they wouldn't because they they just refer to their expertise on everything that happened with the whole I'm I'm sorry. I'm just having a hard time because I'm I'm hearing yes, the regatas went off fine, but the summer program seems to have a valid reason to have this extra length that's been in place for how long roughly? The extra length? Five years.

Okay. So, I don't know. to me like to I don't know the HPAC fund of $53,000 was raised largely by community members who use this resource for rowing and I think that it's a valid use of that money and I how and you're saving $1,200 by picking it up. Is that offer? If we have to go past next week from you know if nothing happens by then then we

and so what's what's the issue? It would just take longer to run the program because the program basically if it has to go another 15 minutes 20 minutes I don't think that was ever an issue on any of these. Is there a safety issue in the summer the water's warm everything. So, and I have a question. The the program that is for anyone in the program would have to do they have to join the rowing association to be in that program? No. So, they're not you have to pay a fee to participate in the program. Okay. And and who and the but the fee goes to the rowing club, the rowing association. And how much is the fee?

Uh it depends on you know each individual. It's like 500 bucks for the summer program which is like eight weeks long for each person. Okay. And I once again make the thing I mean I'm just thinking that's but I mean someone that isn't in that program is not going to be able to go down and it's not going to really affect people that aren't within the program. It's really needed because there's so for that summer program which is they're paying a fee to a it doesn't go to the the town or the budget to help buy new docs. It's

it does go to all the money that's raised does not go I get paid. I'm the only person that's paid other than the hourly coaches. I'm the director of rowing. I get paid for that. So where does all the money go? But the money goes to buying the equipment. So in that boat house there's like $700,000 worth of boats and equipment maybe 750 and all of that has been purchased by the old line association and given to the school. So region 18 owns every single thing that's in that boat house launches

but if the docks are part of the town of old blind they they are owned I mean they are maintained by the town. Yes. I'm just wondering with the help of the growing association money for things that we need which are more I mean dreging is very important I we nobody seems to write us and complain about the length of the docks it's more about we and it's encouraging to know when they have the regatas which is I'm just wondering if if maybe the schoolation could come forward and say listen we're willing to meet you guys halfway

I mean the the we have to be fair we can feel however we want to feel, but the riatas for the school and the learn to row program are two separate things and they run two completely different. So it it should not matter that the riatas ran smooth on those docks like it's separate from the learn to row. So I think we have to get past that. [clears throat] You're correct. Yeah. Okay.

You know, like they're they use the docks in different ways. and the community rowing program which is a great thing is I I don't know I do do we know how many people from old lime actually do all this I mean at one point we we asked the rowing association uh of their membership how many people were from old lime and I think at that point it was what was what was it Don 20% or something like It was very very small. And so basically this

I believe it's higher than that. I I can't give you a number. Well, that may be helpful as because uh the town is we like to support programs like this. But well the taxpayers should pay for things that make their life easier. So the taxpayers should pay for docks, but those docks, we're saying we need it more because of really not a taxpayer need. It's more of a club need. Yeah. And and and all we need on those docks is 10 by 60 ft.

So I mean it's just it's to me it's just the point of our priorities on what we have to get done. And Paul, that'd be helpful if you could find out what the what the h participation of old lime people, not lime, all out oftowners versus old lime people is in this program because

I think that it's important to remember that the boat house was built with about approximately half million dollars from a steep grant which in the uh contract that you signed says that the the facilities are built for this with this money with a grant like this has to be open to all communities. That's not just old line. What does that have to do with the docks though? I'm not I'm confused. What does that have to do with the docks? I'm just saying that they were not used. Steve grant was not used.

Say that you shouldn't do it because not enough line people use it. My point is is that because of the Steve grant, you should you have to serve the whole community all around that wants to use the facility. So, well, just not but not the ducks though.

Yeah. And and the other thing is at one point I remember asking you is there is there a limit to how many people from out of town are part of this program because you just can't you just can't invite everybody. I have never refused an old line resident for any program ever. Never. I can say that unequivocally. Just a point of clarification because I was rereading the minutes. This replacement will make the dock only 67 and 1/2 ft. No, it make it 75. It would make it 267 and 1/2 ft. Now piece not there.

And okay, that's important. The letter that he wrote earlier in the spring was for a 75 and a when I was when I was not told that that a doc was not functioning. Okay. I was basing on what we had. That's not the point I was making. Okay. And well, let's let's let's just not part of the argument, Paul. The part the part of the argument is there are town docks. Should we be spending money on docks that don't have to be any longer than what the original agreement is? That's what it comes down to. Again, it was not an original agreement. It was It's I will supply you with the contracts.

It was a purchase contract. I agree completely. There was a contract to purchase two 10 by 60 foot docks and they've been 75 ft for 5 years 67.57 for a while and then like five years that other section has been on there and it's been so and prior to that Paul and prior to that it was only 60 ft long and you run the ran the community program correct until we started getting extra ones. So, it all goes back to what the original agreements were, the contracts. Uh, and the point is that these these particular manufactured docks don't seem to be as very reliable.

They're breakable.

I feel like we're talking around in circles and like making what is the point? Is the point that the docs are not reliable and have a bad warranty? Is the point that we don't want to spend the money on the docks or is the point that we don't want them to go 75 ft? I really think as a commission we need to figure that out before we continuously talk this around in circles. Like we're just talking about three different things and not really getting anywhere with it because every time another point is brought up, another thing is brought in. Why we're against it? I I think it needs to like we need to as a commission figure out our stance on each of those three things and then does that make sense?

I agree.

Well, there's also too it's like it's a much bigger thing, but if the fire department wants a new truck, they just don't say we need a new truck. It's a plan. You know, I would be all for planning in our budget a certain amount to go towards replacement of the dots in their entirety in the next few years. So, and I think your point was pretty good. Take the pieces we have, make up one dock, get a brand new dock with a 10-year warranty. So, you're kind of the town is now not responsible for any broken. It's going to be warrantied because that's kind of the way you do other things. It's like with us with the dredging. We we didn't get the money to do it. So, we're we we've decided we put money aside each year and we planned ahead.

But I and I totally agree with you and I agree with the firetruck analogy. Like that all makes total sense except those are dredging fire trucks really big ticket items where this is not a big ticket item. This is more like we need a new goal at Town Woods. We still didn't get asked for it before our budget figures even went in. You know what I mean? We were not prepared for it. I have discussion if I'd like to know what date it was, but it was months ago that we met with Martha. May 18th. Oh, no. March 18th, I should say. It was if you read our minutes, you could see that it was March 18th or also it was March 18th.

As you mentioned before, there is another pot of money that was for the most part the rowing community that for the park and that's not budget per se or you guys which coming up right now. I don't know. We have to

what what's later in the the agenda, but if if we need any extra money for playscape, we're going to have to use extra money for that. We're going to have to use extra money that's in this fund, as I said, for access to the the playscape. uh just as we have with Townwoods Park, the community donated money when that whole thing was happening and we still have money from that to use for anything that we may need at Townwoods Park. So, uh guys, we we went over this and unfortunately Mr. Fuku didn't come to the meeting to discuss this at that time, but we went over it the last time. We came to an agreement. Uh if we're going to decide to make docks longer there, longer than what was agreed upon, I would like to see the or talk to the region 18 to find out what we're going to do if we want to make the the agreement amend the agreement that supposedly supposed to be agreement for like 30 years or something like that. I'm torn because I almost want to make a motion just to get on the record to approve this out of the Haynes Park fund, but I also agree with Missy that there are three key issues and I'm not sure that I have a clear understanding of where everyone falls on those issues. Could we agree to talk about this at the next meeting, which is June, or is that too late?

Is that too late? Cost you another $1,300. I mean I Sarah to your point you can to to your point the biggest issue that I have is the length. Oddly that's where I'm to the extent that it's an issue. I don't I think that the money's if the money's there I understand the expense. It makes sense to me. The length issue I suppose I do have some questions about that. The flip side to that though it's been that length for how how long? I'd say five years. It's been that length for five years. So, is it an intrusion? Probably not.

Well, it hasn't been that length, right? It's been 67 and now it's going to be 75. Has it ever been 75? No, it it was 75 for almost five years for five years because And this will still be just one at 75 and one at 67. And what and why why is the reason why would you want to have one longer than the other? Why wouldn't it want to to be just as long? we had. Sure, I'd like them both to be 75. That I'm not asking for that. I'm trying to be reasonable. I'm trying to keep the cost down by offering to go pick up this the dock while we drive by and take extra time in the evening to, you know, get some more people and load it on the trailer and save $1,300. That's the point.

I'm going to make a motion because I actually think maybe we have crystallized the three topics and people will have their views on it. I would like to move that in view of the $1,200 savings, which seems of time of the essence, I would like to move that the money of $2,400 be allocated from the Hannes Park enhancement fund to purchase this replacement section. That's it. What if somebody No, I I my I don't know how this exactly works, but like I don't know how to vote because I have like an additional like that's your motion, but which I would feel like I would agree with, but can we add some type of like like you said there's no contract, you said there's a contract, where does it end?

We reserving the right on the length. on the yeah like you're saying like where does it where do we draw the line on so this doesn't happen 11 years from now 11 years from now well we never agreed now we want it to be 80 that's why I'd like everybody to see the contract that says 10 by 60 foot docks and that was the contract that was signed by the town with regional uh district 18 if that's going to be changed we'd have to get an agreement from the town and region 18 to say we can even have at this point. We just said, "Okay, I just don't have these extra docs." It's been five years that they've been longer though.

Yeah. Okay. And how many years before that that they weren't and they were short and then they went long and and and before that everything was worked fine. Okay. Let me And this is when they when they became longer, did did you come to park and wreck to make them longer? No. When when we No. Okay. When we repaired them, they just did. So can I suggest possibly a stipulation that unless otherwise agreed upon the dock should be a maximum of 67 1/2 ft and 75 ft for with dock sections. I mean I can see that all day long. Okay.

Yeah. I mean that's that's like what I was Yeah. Add that to the motion. I'm good with that stipulation that I didn't even write it down because it's No, it's okay. That's But why why would why would you want two one longer than the other? Why not have I think he wants them both 75. Yeah. I mean, if you're going to if we're going to add that to motion, make them both 75 ft, you know, not to exceed 75 ft. Sure. And then you're going to have to buy two more sections. Yeah. We only buy one. Wow. But

it wasn't needed for years before they they started repairing the docks and making them longer. We never even brought they never even brought that to the parking wreck. They brought it to Don Bugger and myself at a meeting that we had. What are we going to do? Are we going to have these extra docs just to use if case docs break uh and they said, "Well, no, I can't. Well, we can use it now." We said, "Okay." But really, when it come down to it at that point, I really wanted just to have those dockes in reserve for when they when they break. But, uh, these guys, they wanted to have it longer and, uh, say, "Why not use it while we have it?" And we said, "Okay."

I'd like to make a motion to approve $2,500 from either the repair fund or Hannes Park improvement fund for the purchase of one 7 and 1/2t section. for the purchase one 7.5T section by 7 and 12 by 10. Yeah. The 10 ft wide.

Okay. Of dock with the stipulation that no that no dock length exceed 75 ft using any that's it any that's it period and I opened it to the either fund because I don't know so this kind of takes away the takes away the whole thing that unfortunately Sarah you weren't here for last time and you guys can vote it down I just think

and and and and before we make a motion to change a the stipulations of a contract I would like to speak to the district team if they're going to go along with that. And also, will the town then be committed to doing this when these docks continue to break or should we should the 10 by 60 ft dock that was approved by the town and region date 18? Is that we're throwing that out and make a new? No. Then add a new stipulation without prejudice to whatever agreement on dock length may exist that this won't be taken. That's

the point Sarah when this law was discussed the agreement was for 10 by 60 foot docks. Everyone agreed. Okay. But then if that were true then they've been in violation of that for five years. and we're just trying to be nice to I don't think replacing the dock creates an admission that some contract is or is not enforceable and that's the without prejudice stipulation. Understood. So the end after it says without prejudice of

whatever contractual dock length limitation may exist. It's basically you guys can litigate it another day, but I I'm hearing a valid reason for replacing something. It's a community that's donated seems like almost a million bucks in things to the district in goods that are used by our community. If that's not something that park and wreck is standing behind at a cost of $2,400, and I don't diminish any points that you made, Marilyn, I definitely agree. It's frustrating that things like the dredging project, but they're big projects and fire trucks and we have to save. I just think that there's a near-term benefit to a two-year warranted dock extension for $2,400. Therefore, I I make the motion for vote.

I second. Yes. Okay. Any more discussion? Okay, it's up for vote. All those in favor? I Anyone opposed? Me. So, three in favor, two oppos. So, it's three to two. Worth discussion. I appreciate you taking the time to think this through. That's the invoice if you need that for creating a check or what, however that works. And I'll talk it over with the finance people tomorrow.

Thank you very much. So, can that be something that they need a check? You need a check to bring there or something like that or That's my understanding, but I'll ask the guy. Find that out. Let me know that right away and I'll talk to the finance people tomorrow. Thank you. I appreciate your time very much. So, last month's meeting and discussion was really just a big waste of time. Yeah. Oh, what are we doing?

Last month's meeting. I like I know like that you say it was a waste of time, but I I had a lot of questions at last month's meeting about this and I do feel like it was kind but I think we still do have questions. I I felt very much like the fact that it was $50,000 the the length of the docks that are there now was not an agreed upon thing because that's what they needed. It was agreed upon because that's what they could afford. And to me, that was my decision. I felt last month that we should support the dock because I feel like we do at Town Woods or at Cross Lanes when things happen and things go wrong and things break, we replace them. But with animosity, with whatever goes on at the boat house, we fight about it and we argue about it and we talk about it over and over and over again. I think if it was $2,400 for anything at Tomwoods Park, we wouldn't. And to me, that seems not

I guess what bothers me is they charge a lot for private their private association. That's a lot of money. I could never have afforded that with my kids. That's a lot. $700 a piece to me. How great it would have been to say, "Listen, we'd like to come forward with and cover half of that." I mean, just just because we don't need those bigger docks for the average use from the taxpayer just to go down there and go fishing. But didn't they raise so much of the money to get the docks? Well, that was one gift from It doesn't But it doesn't matter if it was one gift or if it was 100 gifts. The docks came from their donations, right? I mean,

well, I don't know where the donations came from. I thought that was a one donation for new docs was one person donated $50,000 for docs and they were are anonymous. So that information I don't know who donated what that's handled somebody different than me. But the point I'm going to say primarily it was probably rowing type community that donated money. Just a guess. Yeah. But that's money the town didn't spend. And I I know the program is expensive and I know that it's opened up because of the steep grants to other towns, but they also then Well, but then they purchase boats that are donated to the school.

The school owns all the docks out of all the uh all the boats, which I think I just think in this time it it should it could have waited just I mean I already got two letters about the damn pavilion complaining like what are we thinking? Yeah. I'm like I I because it did become something so expensive when it you know it's like I'm just like damn expensive because of the requirements because of the requirements and oh it's just the the bad mouthing on Facebook. It's like oh gosh yeah it's our fault like it's well it's not our fault wasting money.

The town the town actually went to additional outside the 405. It was 478 478,000 for the steep uh grant that old line secured. 405,000 I believe was brought up at a town meeting when they came to the town to get more funds for it.

And it was supposed to be for phase one and a phase two project. Phase two, we never really we didn't get to it and we town had to put in another $150,000. The point being is that over the years and actually at the March 18th meeting, I brought up the fact that this is what we would like the boat house and the rowing community to have better dialogue with especially Mr. Bugby who's the point man. If anything goes on outside of those doors of the boat house, he should be involved. And over the years, he has not been approached very often. Maybe every once in a while, but most times not approached and especially Mr. Fuks and Mrs. Fuks take it on their own to do whatever they think they should do down there without consulting with the town or or coming to the park and rec commission to do it. or when we put the kayak safe kayak launch on a 75- ft section of dock that morning we the uh harbor commission people put it on and that afternoon Mrs. Spooks gave the order to remove it. It's the way that they don't come to the commission, they don't come to the town. They seem to do things on their own even though that's everything that takes place outside the doors of that boat house to go through the town.

I and I agree and I think the way but this is another example of it. But he could he did come tonight though which I give I give him credit for like that that was helpful to me and with a solution to saving $1,200. But he should have come back in March not now. Yeah. That was that was part of my You see we wouldn't do that for little league. We'd say where were you? Why didn't you come? every other organization in March which was if you want money you need to come here and ask for it. Yeah. Every other organization comes to the park and rec commission or the town to do this.

I I don't know. Literally came and said you know yeah you guys you guys approved it. All right let's move on. I want to get going. Yes. Uh, it's it's I I would like to see improvement as far as when the rowing comm community wants to do something, they should at least contact Mr. Bugby, which they failed to do on numerous occasions. And here's another example. Okay,

maybe maybe a little I I have to be honest, some of the animosity could we could cut that a little bit and maybe the communication would be better between the rowing association and parks and wreck. It is. It is. You can cut it with a knife and it's it's horrible. And I feel like if we help them a little bit, maybe that will help the communication. Okay, they actually did something that we wanted instead of nickel and dimming everything we say or or disagreeing with everything or whatever. I I understand your point and I I feel conflicted and I understand what you're saying, but things change. 10 years ago or 20 years ago when you agreed on the dock length, whatever, things changed. Did they go about it perfectly? No. But it's been that way.

Missy, I'm glad you brought that up because uh the year before that we we actually Don and I have had very good relations with the presidents of the association, which I guess Mrs. spoofs was the president for a year or two, but they all have agreed with Mr. Bugby and myself as to what goes on down there and how he didn't want these stocks going so far out in this. The presidents agreed. In fact, they went through four presidents in a little over a year.

I I I get it, Bob. I I think my problem is and maybe I'm maybe I'm offkilter and you can tell me that, but I think you know Matt Reed comes here and says, "Oh, we want to change the softball field and we want to make it into a full-size ba baseball field and this and that." And we say, "Great, do it." You know, they say they want to take trees out at Cross Lane and put in a T-ball field and totally change the look of the park and get rid of any shade that people had and this and that. And we say, "Sure, go for it." We vote on it. We we agree to anything the soccer club wants. We agree to out of lacrosse. We agree to

but then he came to us. So it's not that odd to agree to what he's asking. It's a very warranted ask. His dock broke. He's coming up with a solution to save a third of the money by going to pick up the dock. He's asking for $2,400 to fix the dock that was already there. He he did exactly what every other group in town is doing and and I feel like we still have such a problem with it. And I I just it to me what I don't want to do is sit here and be a member of a commission that is going to say no to one group because of animosity but say yes to other groups. Like it doesn't

it's the way that compared to all the other organizations, right? All the other organizations we've had very good relations with or if we had some issues, we worked them out together. Yeah, that Yeah, that's totally different. Mr. and Mrs. Spooks. Can I Can I add one thing? He didn't come to us first. He came to Martha. Yeah. And he also said, "Where are you getting this money to buy a new doc?" I said, "I don't know what you're talking about." And she just didn't want he he didn't come to Don, myself, or the commission. Do you think he didn't come to the commission because he knew it was just going to be met with us?

Well, because there's a special relationship, it seems, between some of those individuals. I'm not going to say what the relationship is, but why even Martha, I guess after our la last meeting, Martha asked that we brought this up at the last meeting and we brought it up and then he went to her again and I guess she told him after Paul had and after Don said, "No, we had this meeting. We did this. We we we talked about it. We talked about what you know the future what goes on with docs. She went right to Martha. Martha then after we made the recommendation said you got to go to you can't do

he wasn't even on the agenda. We kind of did that and we really should. Yeah. Yeah. You you've got to go and should have known better. And then she just told them well it's the commission decides and that's what the commission's decided. you've got to go to the commission. And they went through four presidents in one year. The people that that run that organization have a problem with with what goes on. And I I get it. I mean, I I I'm very aware of the problem. You know about the you're part of the row thing. You or you know about

No, I just I mean I I know about them. I know about issues, but I also think it's a phenomenal program that, you know, creates Olympians and is doing really amazing things. And as a to Sarah's point, as a parks and rec commission, I think we should do what we can, not to the extent of fire trucks, but a $2,400 ask to support a program that's that's really a a nice program. I I think that that's within our Okay. So now every time one of these dots are will continue to to malfunction they do like I got he said at least every other year. I know but we haven't paid for anything right like they haven't come to us at assets.

Oh no no we paid we paid for the shipping of the last section that they they got the parking wreck. We took money to pay for that. We paid for the shipping and I believe we paid paid for connector pieces. Yes. Yeah. Connector. Oh, we have in order to maintain what was agreed. My point too about the fire trucks I was using as an example. No, no, I but still when you when we even want to do a plan, we have to put it in a like why shouldn't we plan to have it in our budget in the next 5 years sometime to replace the docks I guess cuz we want them dread. That's what I'm saying. Instead of throwing more money, it's like if my bathtub kept cracking smaller project, I wouldn't keep

Yeah. Listen, let's put a new and this is what those docks have all been crap since they got them. I mean, they don't we don't even know all the times they repaired them. So, my feeling was do like little league does get some costs together, come to us and say, "Can this be could we put this in as a capital budget item so Donnie could put a little bit would come to us every year and then when it's time, you know, they're replaced with something that's going to be a 10year period of no fixing that. So every time a section now based on what happened today, every time there's a section breaks, we're going to have to buy another section. That's not true at all. Or or should we

we could try to put aside the future of buying better docks under a better warranty. That's fine. You can do that and have the replacement of using the old sections as the dock number two and saving money over a period of years for a full replacement with 10-year warranty of dock number one. the purchase today will still be used in that plan for the segmented dock. So I think two things can be true at the same time.

Okay. But as the parking correct rec commission when another section goes and he says he needs that section which is is really a want not a need. Uh that uh we're going to say okay let let's get another section of this from this manufacturer which makes crummy docks. Are we going to do that? I don't think so. I don't think we should. In fact, we brought up the last time that we have to let's move on. We have to talk about using the sections we have as backups for what was agreed upon, but okay. I think you're mischaracterizing the scope of the vote.

I'm not mischaracterizing anything. I've been dealing with I think Missy is spot on that less animosity will make this situation better. Right. And that's why at that last meeting we had on the 18th, we brought about how important that was for Mr. Fuks to communicate with Mr. Bugby about anything. And once again, that didn't happen. And everyone, he didn't do it the right way, but he still came here. And I don't think this locks us into

Okay, let's let's move on. Uh let's move on. Uh I'm a little disappointed because I know you guys aren't new to this process, but uh or what's gone on historically and uh and I do believe Sarah that when we have contracts that stipulate certain things that you being a lawyer, you being a lawyer, unless there's an agreement to the change the contract, I'll just comment on that briefly. So if the contention is that that wasn't a contract in agreement between the town and the rowing association for what it was they could do it was a construction contract

district 18 we have the agreement. We have no agreement with the the rowing assoc but if that was if the if the agreement which in the four corners of the document was over what could be afforded which was this length there is a difference there. And what Sarah did which was very smart was she put in the stipulation of okay if something if if that h if that is the case where there's a bound agreement that we are hereby violating then no deal. I to me, Bob, I agree with Missy. I don't I don't know why you're dying on this hill, man. Like, why why you're so upset about like this? This to me is small. Now, I'm far newer on this commission. I I don't I'm not too worked up about this. It's just as it is. And I think that Sarah did a very wise thing by putting in those conditions relative to what it was that we agreed upon. Now, from a practical standpoint, if that check has to be written in a week, is it going to matter? Maybe not. Fair point. But I also go back to this. It's 2,300 bucks. If we're talking about a million dollars to dredge Rogers Lake, this is a drop in the bucket. I think that we can live with the 2,300. My bigger issue is the length.

Mine also because I I But don't you think that the stimulation longer because you can't substitute people as much based on 15 ft? But don't you think that's I I'd say that the program should go for another 15 minutes that rather than go and put another 15 feet on the 60 foot agreement. Fair, but I feel like the stipulation in what it was that we had agreed upon by limiting the size of the docks deals with that and for me that's satisfactory. Okay, let's move on. Let's move on. Just one more question. Nothing can be done until that contractual dock limitation is found decided. What was decided on that? What is the end result of that? I'm not sure who the arbiter would be on that. Oh,

my my my point with the without prejudice and I I hear what you're saying was just that by agreeing to this, we're not waving any argument of what the contract says. I'm not saying we have to go check the contract. I think that we're gonna go by the dock and but if there's ever an argument made because we want to go back to 60 feet at some point in time in the future, we by making this decision and agreeing to the dock at the size that's greater than 60, I think we've reserved our rights to say that either some four corners of a contract says it's 60 or for some other reason in the future it should be 60. We've basically not prejudiced ourselves in any argument. Well, we could have. So I don't think we have to make any determin. You don't have to wor. Okay.

Yeah. But that's how I was feeling. You could have made that that decision tonight and said 67 1/2 ft is maximum. But no, but what you put into it now is you said it's okay to have a 75 ft dock. Because they've had it for 5 years. If that wasn't okay then maybe 15 years before that they didn't Sarah and they used to only have one dock. Why so much that they have a 75 foot dock? I agree. I think it's because they didn't even ask

only because they took over so much of the the swim area the way they laid everything out and this time by showing satellite pictures at a meeting we had with Martha they did a much better job of putting those dots closer together. At one point there was 45 ft rather than 30 which is the maximum that any organization uses for eightman skull docks. Some of them use only 20 feet. Okay. To be apart to be separated, right?

Okay. Let's move on. Uh it's Yeah, it's been too many years of dealing with what goes on there. Okay. Uh All right. So, director's report. Don, sorry. I just as frustrated as I'm sure you are, but go ahead.

Okay. This will be quick. Current ongoing programs include men's basketball, women's basketball, and adult co-ed volleyball. These programs are scheduled to end by mid June. Spring bad mitten and Zumba fitness sessions were recently completed in April. Pickle ball sessions at Cross Lane Park are ongoing and in process. Adult softball is scheduled to run on Sundays. Um May 10th through June 7th, 4 to 6:30 Towns Park and our CIS soccer camp is scheduled to run August 3 through 7. Registration opened up on April 1 for all our available summer programs which include day camp, after camp, two boys basketball camps, one girls basketball camp, and a girls volleyball camp. Moving on to facilities. Townwoods Park, Hannes Park, and Cross Lane building facilities are open and in use on a daily basis by the District 18 rowers, O Lime Rowing Association, Jamaica River Lacrosse Club, NY Lime Soccer Club, Lim Lime Little League, and the general public. White Sand Beach facility building facility will be open by miday and updates will be provided. That's always weather related. The White Sand Beach Pavilion project has started. Public works demolished to remove the old gazebo. The dunes constructed prior to the winter season were pushed back down. The beach area has been reestablished and the pavilion construction process started this week. Um hopefully it be done by Memorial Day, but we'll keep you updated. Some miscellaneous items. All of our 2026 summer staff has been selected. Our day camp setup organization and training days are scheduled for June 22nd through 26th, June 24th. Our counselors will take part in training provided by Kerma.

Uh let's see. Parking lot attendance will start by Memorial Day weekend and lifeguards will start when the school year ends. Both parking lot and lifeguard schedules are weather dependent. Homestead Landscaping LLC owner Duncan Cummings, our new contractor, has been maining Townwoods Park grounds since early April. And if anybody's been up there lately, the facility is in great shape and are serving the all the teams well. Region 18 rowing session, spring session is well underway at Hannes Park daily. Uh the five race events scheduled at Rogers Lake on April 11 or excuse me, April 8, 11, 18, 22, and 29 have been completed and no major issues were noted. The Line Rowing Association will host a national learn to row day on Saturday, June 6th from 10 to 2 at Hannes Park. And the association is also holding host hosting various programs during the summer including junior rowing, middle school learn to row, adult high school learn to row, collegiate rowing, and masters rowing. Uh meetings were held on April 2nd and May 6 with representatives of the America 250 committee and various town departments to discuss the upcoming townwise picnic scheduled for Sunday July 5th called 124 at Townwoods Park. Mile Creek School Grade Five picnic is scheduled for Thursday, June 4th, but the rain day at of June 5th at Townwoods Park and representatives from Limo Lime Little League have decided not to pursue the Townwoods Park softball field expansion or the skinning of the baseball infield at this time.

That's it. Thank you, D. Thanks. Okay. Any questions for Don or comments? Nope. Oh. Okay, let's flip move on then. Uh, thank you, Don. Uh, okay. The next one is old business. The Hannes Park Place gave updates. Very encouraged to see the equipments there. Okay. Public work delivered the playground materials from the public works garage to Hannes Park on Wednesday, April 29th. An installation was expected to start this week. And I noticed I went by there today and there were people working there today. So it's underway. They were working there today. Yeah.

Okay. Okay. Is and and I I kind of brought it up before in the discussion because if if we h have any additional costs for that, it will have to come out of that fund that we just gave 2400 $2,500 to. Uh I I saw something about putting the erosion control stuff. Is the the town doing that? the contractors are doing that. Oh, that's the cont part of the installation. Okay. So, basically the and and also the the perimeter and the soft wood chips. That's all part of the contract. So, there's no additional funds needed for that. Now, we have a price for project to be completed. Okay.

Minus a walkway. Minus what? A walkway. Yeah, a walkway. We need a walkway, guys. And uh I talked to Dave about that a little bit. He might be able to help us out. Yeah. What what did he suggest? Because we've came up with reinforced turf that he suggest or some of the I'm not going to put it on a record, but we talked briefly about some of the tiles he has for playground stuff to be a we'll be able to use that he already has. Oh, that'd be nice. So we don't know that yet. But

so the one thing is by law it has to be 3 feet wide and I believe you can't exceed 70 ft or whatever. You have to have the turnaround or something. But I think based on the position of where the playscape is, we should be able to just do a straight shot to without putting circle going even a longer distance. But it's got to be 3 ft wide. Whatever. and the parking lot, the cinders, that's considered uh ADA compliant because it's I guess it's a hard enough service. Very good. Okay. So, basically then it comes down to Don. Can we or maybe I could come with you or we can talk to Eric our building uh uh

facilities about if if Dave Catalano doesn't come through with this other thing if we have to get a contractor to put in reinforced turf I think I think it's a low low enough number that we don't have to go through bidding process or anything else because it's less less $20,000 or something. I think it's something that public works could do. Okay. Well, it's not a big deal. Okay. All right. Well, that that because that's that's the one thing we still have to do once we install the place gate, make a path to get to it. Okay.

Okay. All right. Good enough. Okay. Uh go on to the next one. Any other Well, no. We already went over that about the new business correspondence. I have something for new business. It's just Okay. So, we have to make a motion now to talk about it again. I don't need to bring it up. Huh? I made a motion to reopen. A little tiny question. Okay. Okay. I want to make make sure we're doing it correctly. I just would like to get and I can do the leg work but not the installation but I would like to get squares on the on the rims on the backboards at cross lane. They're not squares they're rectang

whatever you [laughter] but they need them and I would like I I feel like we should make that happen. Stick on ones. Yeah. Or painted ones or whatever. But I just feel like there should Well, you gave me You gave me a You gave me a I I sent you like sticker ones. Yeah. But I don't know if that's the best. I don't know. I can do more research. You're talking about the like the talk about the little box to shoot at. Yeah. But like when you have kids playing there a lot that aren't great at shooting, I feel like it helps to to have some helped me. What? It didn't help me. [laughter] Didn't help me either, but you know. No, but it's like I don't know. They're trying to work a lot down there. I don't know what to call squares.

Rectangles. Rectangles. Send me Send me the sticker information again if you don't mind. any updated stuff and okay go from there. All right, perfect. Not a big deal. I know. I just It's like nice to see kids playing down there and I So that that way when you hit the shot off that when they say the bank is open bank's open, but we don't need to like we could just buy that. That doesn't there's no like No, it's not going to be a big deal. Yeah, it should it should be Yeah. The only problem with the stickers is they're going to be able to last through like weather and stuff like that. Yeah. I mean, I did a little bit of research. They look pretty weatherproof and warrantied for a while. But

yeah. Okay. Well, well, that sounds like And even if they're not that weatherproof, at least try it. It's going to be a very minor expense. Uh, okay. Uh, all right. Correspondence. I didn't receive anything. Wait, but you got stuff about the pavilion. You said, "Oh, it's just they came to me an email." Just what what are we thinking doing that about the two people? Well, you have such other things as What about the pavilion and the cost? Because there was an article in the paper the other day and I think that just prompted Oh, for at White Sands.

Yeah. Then there was somebody took pictures. They had it on Facebook. I saw like a Hooters coming soon. I thought somebody [laughter] post that's where we're putting 150 condos. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. So, uh Okay. Public comment. There's nobody here. There's nobody on the Oh, by the way, this TR is waiting for others. Is Is that Tim? No, TR is the town hall. It's the meeting room. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. Uh public comment. None. Okay. Somebody making a motion to adjourn, please. I'll make a motion to adjurnn.

I second. Okay, great. Uh, any discussion? No. All those in favor? I I No saying no. Okay.