City Council - Regular Meeting

Thank you.

Good evening, residents of Everett, Washington. I would like to call to order the City Council meeting of August 12th, 2026. For information on our council meetings and how to participate, please visit everettwad.gov slash city council. Please note, we do not allow comments of any kind of campaigning, whether for or against ballot measures or candidates running for office. We also do not accept comments focused on personal matters that are not related to city business. Clerk, will you please take the roll?

Mayor Franklin. Here. Council Member Bader.

Here.

Vice President Ryan. Here. Council Member Bravano.

Here.

Council Member Tuohy. Here. Council Member Weir. Here. Council Member Zarlinko.

Here.

President Schwab.

Here. At this time, I'd like to ask Council Member Ryan to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance.

Please stand if you're able.

Pledge of Allegiance.

Thank you. At this time, I'd like to ask Council Member Bader to read the land acknowledgement.

City Council wishes to acknowledge the original inhabitants of this place, the Stahoksh people, and their successors, the Tulalip tribes. Since time immemorial, they have hunted, fished, gathered on, and taken care of these lands and waters. We respect their sovereignty, their right to self-determination, and honor their sacred spiritual connection with land and water. We will strive to be honest about our past mistakes and bring about a future that includes their people, stories, and voices to form a more just and equitable society. Thank you very much.

Okay, well, good evening, Mayor.

Good evening, President Schwab, Council and community. Just a few things tonight. First, a reminder that nominations for Monte Cristo Awards are still open through Saturday. So if you've got a neighbor or business that's done great work in beautification, making our City Vibrant, please be sure to submit your nomination by Saturday. And then next week on August 18th, we're going to have an open house on the potential Everett Transit community transit merger project. And that would be from 530 to 730 at Walter Hall, really want to hear from as many folks from the community as possible. So please mark your calendars for that August 18, 530 to 730. And then finally, I just want to draw folks' attention to two consent items. I know we've had some significant incidents and injuries, even fatalities along Evergreen Way over the last several years. Council Member Bono has been a really strong advocate for increased pedestrian and bicycle safety and infrastructure. These are two very important consent items I'm hoping council can approve. that will help plan for the redevelopment of Evergreen Way for multimodal, ensuring that we can address bicycle and pedestrian and safety for our residents as we grow all the way from Airport Way to 41st. So I think those are really important items. Just wanted to draw your attention to that on the consent agenda. And no further comments tonight. Thank you.

Okay, thank you very much. All right, so let's go to old business. Do I hear a motion to approve the minutes for August 5th, 2026? So moved.

Council Member Ryan seconds.

Motion and seconds been made. Clerk, please take the roll.

Council Member Bader. Yes. Vice President Ryan. Yes. Council Member Bravano. Yes. Council Member Tuohy. Yes. Council Member Weir. Yes. Council Member Zarlinko. Yes.

Yes.

President Schwab.

Yes. OK, moving on to public comments, which includes written comment acknowledgment. Under our rules, written comments shall be considered in the same manner as oral comments. Person submitting comments must provide their name and city of residence. Good evening, Ayanna. Could you start with our acknowledgment, our written comments?

Yes. Jonathan, would you like to speak?

OK. Do we have any written comments to acknowledge at this time?

Oh, sorry. No, we do not.

OK, thank you. Just want to make it for the record. Did you push the button there? Thank you.

I realize it's been since district. So I've been here. So apologies. Um, if I don't remember the time, um, I'm just following up on the proposal sent Sunday, uh, regarding agenda eight, where I just want to see if we can collaborate more, um, down the road, we have a, uh, Low-income place that you can't even transfer out of because we don't have enough low-income housing. All respect to the great work done by staff. That's why I wanted it to be a collaborative measure to just see how we can get low-income housing a little faster for our residents. That's my speech. And I'm glad to be back here and see you all. Okay, thank you.

William Parent, would you like to make comments?

William Perrin, Silver Lake. Action number seven. This is good evening, Mayor Franklin and members of the City Council. I'd like to share my thoughts on the proposed Everett Police reality show. If the city decides to move forward with the reality show, I would encourage the police department to feature that e-bike patrol unit and highlights some of the emerging technologies being used in modern policing. I think it would be a good opportunity to give the residents a better understanding of the work Everett police officers do. One example stood out on August 7th near the Silver Lake Park Trail. I observed an Everett police officer conducting a traffic stop while 6 E motorcycles were circling around the officers, the officer in the patrol vehicle from where I was driving by it appeared to be a potential potentially unsafe situation if the goal is to create an emerging program that people will actually want to watch i would encourage featuring the e-bike patrol unit and the department's use of technologies especially drone deployments i believe the many residents would be interested in learning how the police department responds to group riders operating recklessly and how the tools such as drones can help improve officer safety, locate suspects, and reduce the need for dangerous pursuits. Thank you for the opportunity to share my thoughts. Thank you.

Thank you.

Darla Sullivan, please. Darla Sullivan on the merger. Moving on. Renee, would you like to speak?

Here, I can hear.

Could you make sure the mic's on? Yes. Okay, there it is. Thank you.

Can you hear me? Yes. I see something. I would like to say something. And it's regarding the merger. I know that a lot of good things are coming to Everett and exciting times are coming. But I'll qualify the merger as not one of them. The reason why, basically, is regarding the taxes. And she gave you a copy of this. And it's basically numbers regarding taxes and how I see that it doesn't square. If you have a chance, please take a look at them. The other thing is that I would like to say is that The merger itself, I've been with Ever Transit for about 10 years now. And since I got into the agency, they've been talking about a merger and merger. The numbers did not square then, and they don't do it now. So please excuse me, but I'm opposed to that, just the basic reality. And this is happening, and all the responsibility is going to be on you. The administration might be pushing, she's doing her job the way she sees that is fit, but you are going to be the responsible ones. So make sure that you know where you're going to vote for merger or no merger. And this is just because of how it was introduced. It's supposed to be a vote of the citizens, but a legislation, a language that gives appearance of, how do you say, democracy is giving you now the right in order to vote for us. And that's not correct, if you allow me to say so. And I would like you to think what is going to happen in 20 years, in 30 years, when that tax, additional tax, is still in place and you cannot tap into it. You cannot use the alternative money in order to finance something else. And if you want to finance something, invite other cities to put some money into it. Create an area around the project in which the Department of Revenue see what numbers of new businesses are created and share the profit. What is the problem with that? Think. I believe that the problem here is that you don't have enough people saying, know and given solutions, alternative solutions. So that's all I want to say. Thank you. And please take a look at it. I appreciate it.

Raul, please. Raul? Raul? Yes, sir. If you could state your name and your city of residence, please.

Good evening. Everett City Council members and Mayor Franklin. My name is Raul Barilea from Lake Stevens and I am currently an Everett Transit fixed route bus driver. And I put my notes, my thoughts on notes because I have some serious glossophobia. So I first trained with community transit and was awarded my CDL license about eight years ago. However, I struggled with my confidence in the final stages of training, and instead of encouragement and support, I was fired by Community Transit. On the other hand, I have founded Ever Transit to help their employees be successful and develop their potential. I believe that there is a lot of anxiety among Ever Transit drivers because of this cultural difference. I wish, There was more excitement for the merger among the drivers at Everett Transit. Instead, there is apprehension. I heard about community transit annexation of Transdev where some fixed route drivers get displaced and not hired. This fuels more worry for us regarding the future of our jobs. You have heard testimony by senior by seniors missing health appointments using TransDev Paratransit, which is a third-party contract of Community Transit. In contrast, Everett Paratransit strives to meet senior needs with good success. I worry about the decline in service of Everett seniors and disabled if Paratransit gets contracted to a third party under Community Transit. While Bill 5801 was enacted, it doesn't mean it was a good thing. It's my opinion that the promoters of this merger are making many assertions of how wonderful all will be that are just speculations with limited transparency. The Everett City Council still has the power to vote no, to this merger or put this merger to public vote. And I just asked Mr. Schwab about that to clarify. And develop a different approach that would support the light rail expansion. Every transit is a valuable resource that should be retained and not dismantled. I believe there are other alternatives besides merger where there is a collaboration between Community Transit and Ever Transit to better serve the community. I hope each of you will consider these different perspectives when making this important decision. Thank you.

Thank you.

Steve Aus, please.

Good evening, Mayor Franklin, President Schwab, council members. My name is Steve Ose. I've lived here in Everett my whole life. I just want to remind you, your responsibilities is not to make all the decisions for the citizens of Everett. Your responsibility is to make all the day-to-day decisions for the City of Everett and recognize when generational decisions are coming up and give those decisions to the citizens in a vote to let them make the decisions for themselves. Last week, we heard from Community Transit and some things that they're gonna be doing for us if there's a merger. One of the things they were talking about and there were kind of questions about it was paratransit service. I don't know if all of you really heard the answer, the very political answer that was given. We'll continue to provide the service that's given now. Okay, not saying that they're gonna continue doing it for new passengers But for the passengers that have our service today, they'll keep on doing that. But if somebody qualifies, then they won't get it if they are outside of the ADA. We provide greater than ADA coverage now. Our service lines, ADA says you only have to go three quarters of a mile beyond a bus route. And that's what they do. We service Everett. has nothing to do with bus routes. We service all of Everett. If somebody lives more than three quarters of a mile away, they won't service those people unless they're getting the service today. I want to make sure all of you understand that. It's not the same service that they're talking about. They're I'm sorry. They aren't as interested in our citizens as we are. They provide a regional service. We provide local service. It's two different things. Our bus stops are within every two blocks. Their bus stops half a mile sometimes, sometimes a little farther than that. It's two different types of service. We go out and we interact with our passengers and we know our passengers on a completely different level than they do. Please, if you're not sure which way to vote on this, vote to give it to the citizens of Everett to vote on. Let them make the good decision or bad decision. Thank you. Thank you.

Joining us online, we have Lauren. Lauren, if you would like to speak, would you please turn your microphone and camera on?

Hello.

Hi, we can hear you. Okay. Hi, I'm Lauren. I live in Everett in the Westmont community, and I've lived here for five years. My concern is about the empty Fred Meyer in my neighborhood. I've seen how much it's decreased the standard of living amongst the most vulnerable in our community, including people who don't have cars and have to walk or take the bus to get groceries, which now takes an hour longer. Workers of all ages who are once able to find entry-level employment through the local grocery store, and most of all, unhoused people who don't have a refrigerator or food storage and rely on nearby grocery stores for daily meals. Kroger's decision to hold on to this vacant property without selling for possible years to come is detrimental to the economy of our neighborhood. I think our city should have the vacant businesses pay a fine or a penalty for every month that they occupy space without intent to sell or reopen the business. Those are just some of my thoughts. Thank you for hearing me.

Dave Kuntz, So we have no more online is what there was one name that you called earlier that didn't show up in person, someone here that signed up to speak. Dave Kuntz, Okay. Dave Kuntz, yeah we must have called your name, then thank you. Dave Kuntz, Please state your name and your place of residence, you have three minutes.

Mayor Franklin, City Council, fellow citizens, my name is Daryl Sullivan. I'm a lifelong Everett resident, and I'm here to speak about the CTE-T merger. I spoke a couple months ago and spoke from three different perspectives, and this will be similar. First of all, I want to be transparent. I'm an Everett Transit bus driver and have some personal, selfish... agendas to serve. I don't want my job to change. The job I have now is better than what CT will offer. I'm extremely confident that, you know, they can match salary match time off, but I'm very comfortable with my job now and don't want it to change. So transparency, excuse me, transparency there. Um, And there's 200 plus other folks that feel the same. It affects them and their families. But you have to govern for the whole city, not just Everett Transit employees. And so that leads me to the next perspective. Public transportation users, which I'm one of. Sound Transit, Light Rail, Community Transit, Everett Transit, all of them are great at their role. Community Transit isn't a local bus service provider. They do provide local bus service in some communities. Not so great. Everett Transit is special. We are so lucky to have Everett Transit. They serve just Everett. It's a smaller plate than what community transit has to do. Things will fall through the cracks with community transit that don't with Everett. We're gonna get to all the neighborhoods. And right now you can walk out of your door and walk two blocks and get to a bus stop and that'll get you eventually to Everett Station where you're set. Community transit, That's not what they specialize in. We do. We can't do what community transit does. They can't do what we do. Keep everyone in their lane, doing what they do best and specialize in. That's how the community gets the best transportation service. And I'd also like to remind everyone that you all govern for the city and residents of Everett, not the state, not Sound Transit. Your interest is with Everett. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Ayanna, do we have any more online? I know there was a few people that signed up.

We do not.

Okay. We'll close the public comment then. And we'll move on to council comments. And we'll begin with Council Member Bader. Thanks, Council President.

No report, no comments.

Thank you. How about Council Member Ryan?

Great. Thank you, everybody, for sharing your comments this evening. Earlier tonight, we had our Parks and Built Environment Committee meeting, and we had two updates. The first was from our planning department about lot splitting. So it'll be an ordinance that'll come before council mid-September-ish. So the lot splitting ordinance fulfills four different... elements of our comprehensive plan to provide more homeownership opportunities and to support shared equity models and to streamline, simplify, and support lot division work here in the city. So it's a great way to increase homeownership opportunities and just spaces for homes to be in the city. Keep an eye out for that coming up in September. We also had an update from Dan Ursi with our economic development department and an economic development update for us. And it was great to hear about all the incredible momentum that I know we've all been feeling about excitement from our business community to put their roots in Everett or to continue to keep their roots here in Everett to provide small, medium, and large businesses for the community. So lots of good work going on here in Everett. And that's all for me. Thanks.

Thank you. Council Member Barbano.

Yesterday, a person using a micro mobility device was hit by a car on Evergreen Way. This was a 20-year-old, and he was transported to the hospital. This is three weeks after a person was killed by a car on the same road. All of this happens on District 4. According to The Urbanist, Everett is the third most dangerous city for pedestrians in the state of Washington. This is something we have to change. Thank you.

Thank you. Councilman.

No report tonight. No comment.

Councilman.

Hi, I had the opportunity to attend the Association of Washington City's municipal budgeting workshops last week, which was really interesting. It was a kind of a great opportunity for me as a first time elected to get a deeper dive into that process. And they went over a bunch of different topics related to different areas of budgeting for municipalities and So really enjoyed that. Look forward to sharing more of that with my fellow council members. And just a reminder that this weekend in downtown Everett is summer in the city put on by downtown Everett association, as well as the shack art centers, fresh paint program. So come out to downtown and be beautiful weather. Thank you.

Thank you. Councillor Zerlingo.

I'd like to thank our commenters and a brief report. I represent Everett on the Snohomish County Tomorrow organization and also on their exploratory committee looking to refine the duties and involvement of Snohomish County Tomorrow. This is a group that coordinates cities and the county. And so if you want to understand how One of the elements, one of the ways in which these various elements are coordinated, that's part of that. They're looking to create a committee that has to do with economic development. We heard from Economic Alliance Snohomish County's Ray Stephenson and Grace Yu of the county about that kind of committee. The idea is leveraging the strength of Snohomish County Tomorrow. to inform, discuss, solicit feedback, and enlist local governments on priority efforts. Discuss the makeup of this committee that will be ratified by the Snohomish County tomorrow, the entire organization later on, including cities, towns, chambers, tourism, and destination marketing. They're going to set up a committee, I think, of nine core committee members as the standing committee. So that progress is going forward. I think it'll help Snohomish County and the cities in it coordinate better and leverage our benefits to fulfill the kind of growth that also Dan Ernest, he was talking about earlier on this evening on our Parks and Built Environment Committee. And that's it for me.

Thank you very much. Well, I'm just happy to announce on August 6th, we had our grand opening of a little miniature skate park in Lyons Park in South Everett. And a little 2,000 square foot neighborhood skate park. And it is well used. And so it was very exciting to see. I just want to thank the park staff. They do a fantastic job. And that one's certainly going to get some good use. Okay, on to administrative report.

Right. I just wanted to clarify something regarding our conversations around the merger with community transit related to paratransit. So there's kind of three pieces to that, to paratransit service. So our employees are current riders. and future riders, and then the service area where folks can take a paratransit vehicle in Everett. So through the merger, what we have, the mayor has asked for and that we've come to kind of a level of like a tentative agreement with community transit on and would anticipate would be in any document that would make its way to you later in the next couple months. So for employees, all of our paratransit drivers, scheduling staff, and then the elements that go along with it, vehicles and service, would continue to provide paratransit service in Everett under that new consolidated transit agency. For our riders, so all of the currently enrolled riders, so that's anybody that qualifies under the federal rules around ADA disability qualifications, and in Everett, anybody over 65 today can get on that list of being qualified for paratransit, they would all still stay on that list. Moving forward, so whenever there's an effective date, there's kind of an end date to that. We'd transition. So we'd have that list of everybody who's qualified as of that date. New folks would be under the combined rules. So that's just the ADA. You have to certify under those ADA rules. Folks who are 65 and older would not automatically be eligible. So that's a change. But anybody who's receiving service today would continue to receive service indefinitely. Where do they get to go? So it is true that today Everett will take a rider on a paratransit vehicle anywhere in the city. Under the community transit model, they take riders sort of along their bus routes. That makes some sense when you think about the entire county footprint. There's a lot of places that that might encompass if they had our model. But they have agreed that they would continue to provide our paratransit service services. uh anywhere in the um not just within those three quarters of a mile of fixed route bus service so they would provide it to every destination within the city So I hope that that was clear about the status of the conversation and the commitments that we've made. That was something that we really prioritized early in our conversations with community transit because it was really clear how important it was to the community. So community and council, you can rest assured that any kind of final agreement that comes to you would include those commitments. All right, that's all.

Thank you.

Question, Council Member Bader. Thanks, Council President. If I could just request maybe some follow-on information at some point in regards to those two points. One, what percentage of, and I don't expect this information now, obviously, what percentage of paratransit riders now on Ever Transit fall outside of... the federal guidelines, yes, that we serve that aren't in those federal guidelines. Then second, looking at Everett, if CT ever did restrict it, assuming they kept our route network if we move forward, what parts of Everett are outside those three quarters. Growing up near the Everett Mall and living in Riverside now, it's pretty well served. I imagine there are some places in Everett that fall out. So I'd be curious to know what that is at some point.

Thank you can all totally follow up, I will add that it that those are on the map issue it's a it's a pretty limited area and that's why they I think part of why they committed to go to every destination and then i'll get the other number two yeah.

All right, so no other questions how about our city attorney report.

No report, no executive session. Thank you.

Okay, thank you. Okay, moving on to our consent items. We have seven consent items. Do I have a motion and a second? So move the motion on consent. Second. Motion and a second has been made on seven consent items. Clerk, please take the roll.

Council Member Bader? Yes. Vice President Ryan? Yes. Council Member Bravano? Yes. Council Member Tuohy? Yes. Council Member Weir? Yes. Council Member Zarlingo? Yes.

Yes.

President Schwab.

Yes. Okay, we'll move to action item number eight. Council Bill 2607-39, third and final reading, adopt an ordinance establishing rules and procedures for use of real property for public benefit purposes in ordinance, in accordance with RCW 39.33.015, adding new sections to the Chapter 3.84 EMC. Do I have a motion?

Council Member Bader-Samos.

Second the motion.

Motion and second's been made. Are there questions or comments? Okay, seeing none. Clerk, please take the roll.

Council Member Bader? Yes. Vice President Ryan? Yes. Council Member Bravano? Yes. Council Member Tuohy? Yes. Council Member Weir? Yes. Council Member Zarlingo?

Yes.

President Schwab.

Yes. Okay, moving on to action item number nine, Council Bill 2607-40, third and final reading, adopt an ordinance creating a special improvement project entitled Langus Peer Removal. Fund 354, Program 113 to accumulate all costs for engineering design in the amount of $128,000. Do I have a motion?

So move the motion.

Second. Motion and seconds are made. Are there questions or comments from council? Seeing none, clerk, please take the roll.

Councilmember Bader, yes. Vice President Ryan, yes. Councilmember Bravado, yes. Councilmember Tui, yes. Councilmember Weir, yes. Councilmember Zarlingo, yes. President Schwab, yes.

Okay, moving on to item number 10, Council Bill 2607-41, third and final reading, adopt an ordinance creating a special improvement project entitled Turnbull Gazebo at Harborview Park. Do I have a motion?

Councilmember Bader-Sumos.

Second the motion. Motion and second's been made. Are there any questions or comments from council? Seeing none, clerk, please take the roll.

Council Member Bader. Yes. Vice President Ryan. Yes. Council Member Brabant. Yes. Council Member Toohey. Yes. Council Member Weir. Yes. Council Member Zarlinko.

Yes.

President Schwab. Yes.

Yes. Item number 11. Authorize the mayor to sign a professional service agreement with the 2812 architecture to provide architecture and engineering services for the Turnbull Gazebo at Harborview Park for the amount not to exceed $41,030. Do I have a motion?

So moved to motion.

Second. Motion and second has been made. Are there questions or comments from council? Okay. Clerk, please take the roll.

Council Member Bader. Yes. Vice President Ryan. Yes. Council Member Bravano. Yes. Council Member Toohey. Yes. Council Member Weir. Yes. Council Member Zarlengo. Yes. President Schwab.

Yes. Okay. Item number 12, adopt a resolution authorizing transfer of certain real property at 6731 Beverly Boulevard from fund 401 to fund 197 for public benefit purposes in accordance with RCW 39.33.015 and chapter 3.84 of the EMC.

So move to the motion. Second.

Motion and second has been made. Are there questions or comments from council? Seeing none, clerk, please take the roll.

Council Member Bader? Yes. Vice President Ryan? Yes. Council Member Bravano? Yes. Council Member Toohey? Yes. Council Member Weir? Yes. Council Member Zarlinko?

Yes.

President Schwab?

Yes. Next, we have a public hearing, and I will open the public hearing on item number 13, adopt a resolution declaring the Everett 2044 periodic update completed. And so the public hearing's been open, and I just want to check, is there a presentation?

There's not a presentation.

Is there anyone here to speak on this item? There's not. OK. Well, at this time, then I'll just ask for a motion to close the public hearing.

So move the motion to close. Second.

Clerk, please take the roll.

Council Member Bader? Yes. Vice President Ryan? Yes. Council Member Bravano? Yes. Council Member Tuohy? Yes. Council Member Weir? Yes. Council Member Zarlingo? Yes. President Schwab?

Yes. And do I have a motion to adopt this resolution?

Councilor Ryan, some moves.

Second the motion.

Okay, motion and seconds made to adopt the resolution declaring the Everett 2044 periodic update. Is there any comment or question?

Just one quick comment. Extraordinary amount of work to get us to this point by Yorick and all our planning staff and plenty of other staff throughout the city. So I just know, serving on Peterson Regional Council Growth Management Policy Board, just what a heavy lift this is to get this done and Now you can take 10 years off, right? Any of them. So thank you for all that work. I just want to acknowledge, I think we should all acknowledge it.

Thank you. Council Member Ryan.

Yeah, I think this is such an incredible model for other cities across Washington State to follow, not just the final document itself, which is a masterpiece, but also just the collaborative effort that went into it and work from every single department across the whole city that went into the final document. So it's absolutely worth being celebrated to get to this point. And kudos to York and the whole team and the whole city really for a really outstanding document. And I've been really proud to share about the comp plan at neighborhood meetings and about the vision that we have for the city moving forward. So thank you so much for your hard work and care and dedication. Thank you.

Yeah, I too want to make a comment. I just want to kind of remind everyone that we were early. We did our homework. And the participation from the public was incredible. Was there, what, 250? How many comments were there? hundreds, right? And so, and the hard work of the council too. We spent a lot of time listening, which was really good. And we had a lot of meetings and we are ahead of the, I think we are a model for other cities to follow. So I'm proud of that. Yeah. Thank you.

Council Member Bader. There's one other group. I think I forgot. It should be acknowledged too. I don't know if,

maybe councilman ryan did the council vice president ryan might have done but uh planning uh planning committee as well so uh yeah absolutely the planning commission yeah yeah i think they were meeting almost as often as we were for a while yep i want to thank them too absolutely okay yes comment online oh we do that on this issue yeah council members oh council members oh yeah that's right for the record council members are lingo what do you got

Well, I did want to recognize, you know, Everett is a large city, like 14 to 15 miles end to end with a lot of different zones, a lot of different areas. And I want to commend all the groups involved, especially planning the planning commission for customizing a lot of the elements of that plan to meet the needs and the different conditions there. And a number of us council members were involved in adjusting these things and recognizing those special situations. So I think it's important to understand that we That this plan implements, as our mayor has said, gentle density the best we can to accommodate growth, but also accommodates all those different areas and their particular needs. And I think that is certainly a heck of an achievement, the best that can be done.

Thank you very much. With no further comment or questions, clerk, please take the role.

Council Member Bader. Yes. Vice President Ryan. Yes. Council Member Brabant. Yes. Council Member Tuohy. Yes. Council Member Weir. Yes. Council Member Zarlinko. Yes. President Schwab.

Yes. And with no further business, we are now adjourned.

And then .