City Council - Regular Meeting

Okay. Well, anyway, um as far as my reports, the two committees I report on, neither one of them have met since um since our last meeting. And of course, legislative affairs, we've all been working that. And you know, the a lot of the stuff that the U um chamber had been tracking their positions on it. You know, unfortunately, we didn't follow their advice on several of the items as well, but we continue to fight however we can and and voice our opinion. So, I appreciate you guys. I know you guys been talking a lot. We're trying to move the needle there, but don't know how successful I've been on this year's agenda myself, but with that, I'll go ahead and see. You guys have any reports you want to update on? protecting.

Yeah, you guys need protecting as big as that is. [cough] Um, I'll talk about CTC. Um, we have been CTC's been having conversations with the city because they're they also have a grant opportunity um that could help fund CTC for the next five years. And so um we had a meeting three weeks ago,

two or three weeks ago. Alex, the mayor, um Tiffany and Megan, myself and Mike. Um we were in that meeting just kind of talking about the logistics of what that could look like if the city was interested or not. Um sounds like it's something that will probably be pretty easy on our part on some additional reporting things, but if we're able to apply for this grant and receive it, then that could really set our CTC up um for better and broader success. So, in the process of getting all of the information for that grant completed. Um, and there are a couple of requirements we have to meet just getting signatures from the 12 sectors which would consist of um I don't remember all of them but government, city, different types of businesses, media, things of that nature. So, we have I think all but one and we have a couple of connections for that that final one. Um, so we've just been trying to help Tiffany get her all the things that she needs to get wrapped up so that she could provide to the city what we need to get our part done. The grant deadline is in midappril. And so, um, we've been trying to help her get her stuff together and she's expecting to have all that done by next Friday to be able to head to the city so that our staff will have enough time to do what they need to do. But this is a pretty good opportunity. We know of one other CTC, North Davis CTC, received this grant last year um and theirs is ongoing and our current um board chair is also helps with that CTC. So, we've got some really good knowledge and expertise. She's a Leighton city resident, but she works for school district and has a partnership with DBH. So, she's been really influential in helping us figure out how to navigate all of this. So, um

we're pretty excited about that and also hopeful that we'll be able to bring um South Weaver on board. Had a meeting with them last week and um their city manager seemed very interested in what we're doing. We're already reaching those kids because they go to Northridge and so um we're hoping to get some participation from the South River side coming up pretty soon. Um, I'll wait until we get to Clint's part to talk about all of the legislative stuff. We do have some wins. Um, so I think we can talk about those, too. The major win at least.

We have a couple major wins. Yeah. But I'll wait till we get to that group. Yeah. Um, just recreation. Thank you. At least I don't have to remember now. Family night at the library. That's March 20th. Um, is this where they read the books? Yeah, because we used to do that. It's kind of fun. Of course, I always got the run dick around Jane books. [snorts] At least I museum on the uh 12th has an exhibit there and that's from photography winners of the Utah State Fair. So, I don't know what that entails, but you'll be able to see a lot.

It's on the wall. Yeah. It's up now. It's up now. It goes through the 12th of Is it next month? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, I'm sorry. It It starts the 12th. I don't know where. The 20th is the family recreation. And then we have the egg dive and that's March 21st. Cost three bucks, but kids under 14. And then it mentions here, anybody over 70 must have ID. And um but anyway, if you pay you $3, uh the kids, they can stay and swim after and they have a chance to win a um a gift basket to get a gold egg. There's something in the gold egg, I think. So, [snorts] it's always kind of fun. Recreation was fun.

I'm sorry about you other people that have to work with serious jobs. still is. Yeah, it has its issues, but we hand them over to Le. Um, so I was actually reminded me Price, uh, is this the first year we've done high school basketball or like or what's new this year in terms of the basketball for the older kids? Um, so we've done high school basketball for a few years, quite a few years now. We've seen a real increase in that participation and it's become one of our favorite and funnest activities.

Yeah. Um, our greatest success um this year is the increase in the number of uh leagues and teams for young ladies. And so we're seeing opportunities not only in basketball but in softball for um young women to to play into their high school age. Awesome. And we're setting up uh we don't have enough teams to have a league here in Leighton. So we're working with other cities in that area.

Awesome. Yeah. I just had a resident reach out. Y has daughters in that age group and was just saying like, you know, whoever was in charge of that that high school program just telling thank you like my girls are having so much fun and I thought they were done playing sports and they're just happy they can play with their friends. So it I mean that that stuff kind of has reverberations throughout the community like people just just enjoy that's what the recreation department is about. So you remind me of that. So just wanted to pass on the well wishes. So thank you to

you and your team. um to the mayor's point or similarly I we didn't really have much going on with the um UIA um and so there really isn't much of an update but I am interested and have some on some discussion on some of the league stuff that you guys um planning commission west and his team uh conducted some training before the commission I thought I came in late I really had to take a shower before I came sorry [laughter] type of job day job I have um well they they told me they appreciate

yeah definitely appreciated [clears throat] at that um but it was quite helpful for me too. So it was uh not much on the agenda. They actually we got an email today that they cancelled the next planning commission because there's no items to discuss. So um so I got bike duty for for that doesn't happen very often. say that's a rarity, but okay. All right. You going to dive into the big stuff or you going to update on anything else?

Uh we ramp commission is still right in the middle of stuff. We're in the middle of the two and a half hour, three hour meetings now. Um getting through the agenda, meet again on Monday. I think it's been it's been good. They started from the bottom and moved up instead of from the top down to have just a different conversation about the different projects. So that's that. Uh the legislature items I I got one, two, three, four, five, six that we maybe talked about here. the the water bill, the Boulder water bill that we've discussed that is it got through the House. Um it's now over circled in the Senate. So, but it really to Steve doesn't really affect us if we don't want to

as long as we don't want to try for state or federal money. Yeah. The idea is that we if we want to go after state money or federal money through the state, then we have to be charging them one and a half or water one and a half or sewer. So, are all of our um if we ever go and get federal funds for any sort of that goes does all of those projects come through the state grant funding or is there an avenue for us to get federal funds directly? There's there's very few water and wastewater funds that don't come through the state. I assume so because we're a subsidi municipality subsidi. Yeah, that's that was asked. So it's not just state funds, but federal. Yes. That's why I said federal funds to the state as well.

The thing that that kind of pulled the steam out of that though was um the money that you you know you increase you actually keep that. Before it was you have to increase and that money is going into some pot for everybody. Um, and then it also if you were already at a certain percentage, you would just have to get to the one and a half from where you already were. So, a lot of the steam that they had in it from the beginning really got pulled away. So, if we raised our rates, we feel like we'd be able to fund whatever projects we were doing anyway. So that's why I think for us it seems like we might we would probably be okay to not have to need to apply for those types of funds that don't come very often anyway from what Steve was was saying.

And the other the other part in the bill was there's a two-year runway to get there. So um if you needed to you could do it in steps. They were just basically trying to um encourage heavily those municipalities who basically tap themselves on not raising their rates and then when they have a big project they come and ask the state for money. And so that was kind of the big push was we need everybody to actually have skin in the game and be doing their part instead of just coming to ask for money for the state. So, so this was the that the the 280 bill that we talked about with the senators here. This was in response to that and

right this was he the bill sponsor said we were given three recommendations. We're taking baby steps on one of them is all.

So that's what this is. So that's good. They figured out that wasn't the best idea. the property tax bill that Senator McCay was working on throughout the session. Um that started with a cap and and then it morphed into how much reserve you could have as a city based on your general fund uh balance. That's when it kind of morphed into that and then removing some of the exemption residential exemption for renters. Anyway, the bill died in the Senate on the floor. So, President Adams was the one that

1514. So, that went away. Yeah, that went away. I appreciate him for his responsiveness. I'm pretty sure I text him like every day last week. [laughter]

The other property tax bill that messes with the timing of Karen Peterson that's sitting circled in the Senate. Um the election bill that was talking to Kim about earlier that didn't get out of the Senate committee so it was held. So that's done gone. And then the infrastructure fund that Representative Roberts, you were part of those emails early on. That [snorts] is so what that is is they're taking this is way technical about it. There's some fund that this $300 million is sitting somewhere and they're grabbing 100 million of it and creating an infrastructure fund for cities to be able to apply for to help with big projects. And then to repay that with impact fees when the projects are when the subdivisions are built, that sort of a thing. And that is circling the Senate right now too. Go.

These are some of this is pretty good stuff. Was working really hard on on on some of these and there's some legislators. They're like, man, [laughter] what happened? The Senate just seems to be being the Senate. Yeah. Yeah. They were the gatekeepers this year on a lot of stuff which those are some no on that same one that that both more takes

to say thanks to Kim for your insights too. I know you don't want to be, you know, a party to things, but getting real information from cities and what actually does happen, what doesn't happen, how much things cost, all of that makes a huge difference. And it's um a bigger push, at least for our senators, um to have real information than to have people's anecdotes. So, not just you, but Tracy was helpful, Steve. Um, I talked to a number of staff here about different things and everybody was very very responsive and it made a huge difference. So, thank you.

There is another bill really quick that Representative Stoddard has got through the House and it's over on the Senate also and it's a primary elections amendment. So, we used to or we we pretty much have primary elections all the time, but we only have maybe one or two more candidates, more than double. And so, this would allow, if it passes, allow city to to elect not to have a primary election if we didn't want to to be able to save the money on having just to eliminate one or two. So the amount doesn't matter of people or or there there's

we have to have it more than double. You have to have a primary which this would allow us not to if we didn't want to and it goes up to if it's if it's more than three times then you have to have it but so there's a little bit of a range represent like that and so the committee chair amended it. So that's actually we'll see see what happens. It would only be applicable like to the mayor's race. Usually in city council we have way more. But even in city council race some Yeah. If there's two seats up and you only have three or five people it's easier because if you have four people seven for three spots have to. But if you have nine

we would have to first time you ran we had 10. Yeah. Seven. Seven. So we have primary. We haven't had that many elections or what? $50,000 on election. Yeah, at least by mailings that Representative Wilcox's bill on um partisan affiliation for held held committee. There's one on the restaurant taxes. Did you guys follow that at all? I don't know where that ended up. Yeah, that one was

that one would have an impact as well because I think the county receives a lot of that funding that helps towards tourism and then that goes away then the tourism fund will diminish as well as the restaurant test. Yeah, the bill failed the house pretty substantially. Okay, that's good. Okay. Any other updates? The only other one I think that would affect people on the most of the people at this table is the municipal reporting and I think that's one that was added. Um it will affect Kim's job. That's going to get that's going to get passed.

It'll get passed. It's already um yeah, it's already passing. basically every year. Um, anybody who's elected who has an open account, like if you have an account, maybe pays for a website or whatever it is you do, um, or if you just keep it open and there's nothing in it, you still have to report um, by the end of the year. I think it was You mean election? Yeah. Until it's zero. Yeah. Even if you don't even zero, even if you're a candidate, if you keep it all elected, you got to report until it's zero. But even if it's zero, I think you have to declare it's zero. Yeah. So, but if you're not a candidate, then

yeah, if you if you if you weren't elected, if you were just a candidate, you get elected, you would if you still had money in it. Oh, it's zero. But you can Yeah, you can get rid of the money three ways. Yeah. Right. Yeah. But yeah, spend it, spend it, spend it. You donate it to a 501c3. You donate it. Or if you loan it to yourself, you can give it back or you give the money back to the Or or you can donate to another campaign. Yeah. Or you give it back to the people who gave it to you. Yeah, that's right. So now, Kim, you get to save your house every year. [laughter]

Unfunded. Okay. Oh, if but what I did ask um so there's a fine if the candidates or the electives do not do this reporting timely. But the fine does get to stay with the city. So if people don't do that, right, if you can get the fine from them, right? But if they don't do that $250, does Kim get a setup? No, they are. Can [snorts] you pay your fine through your Yes, [laughter] you can. That was asked. Just keep paying it till it's zero. So, you're just donating it to your city. Just do that. Okay.

We good on that? Okay. Let's go ahead and um talk about then this opportunity that we have to go ahead and um do a letter of support for some funding on some projects that we're well aware of that we've been working on. And so, um, this is where I'm going to have Joelyn and Dave come up, uh, to see so they can kind of just re enhance what we've been doing or what our focus has been and see if we can continue to go after some additional funding and help with it. So, go ahead, Mr. Price.

Well, I just wanted to quickly say thank you, mayor, for bringing this to our attention. Um after we the mayor forwarded some information that she received from one of our representatives and and we have an opportunity to get some federal funding that could help um our projects. We have chose two projects to present tonight. Um we think that they're both wonderful opportunities. Um and so I'll let you on go through those. At this point, we're asking simply for a not of approval and as part of the application, we are asked to provide a letter of support from the council. And so this starts the process. Um, if we are awarded money, of course, the council will be asked to through a resolution to accept that if they choose to do so, but this gets the ball rolling.

So Joan, please. Well, thank you. It's nice to be here with you all this evening. Um, so, uh, yes. So, I'll just go over these two different projects. Um, the first one is the Case Creek Trail pedestrian overpass at the Lincoln Front Runner Station. This has been a many year project that we have been working on and we're we're very thrilled with the um point that we're at right now. We're ready to go out to bid. Um, but just to give us context, I know uh, Council Member Kandrian is here new, so I just want to bring you up to speed. Um, but this is our trails improvement goals map. And we've been focusing heavily on being able to connect the Case Creek Trail. This is our number one trail in the city that we are focusing on being able to connect to help us to get from the mountains all the way down to the lake. And this piece right here is the focus of this project, being able to connect these two trails on either side of uh the tracks and onto Main Street through a pedestrian overpass bridge. Uh this is a a nice overview of this this downtown area that brings you into context of what we have so far. The Case Creek Trail has been built all the way to here and we have acquired land on this side to build the land. the overpass on the west side and then it would span over the UTA and Union Pacific Railroad lines and land over on the UTA Front Runner park and ride space. And we worked very closely with UTA and they provided us a landing for being able to get down on the east side as well. And then the extension of this Case Creek Trello would have a signal crossing that would eventually be installed here and then it would connect into the

being installed now. Oh, is it? Yeah, we're working on it.

There you go. Awesome. Um, and then it would connect up to Gentile Street and then head on up into our city center that we have. Most of this has been built as well with the new lake to the station mixeduse project that was completed, I believe, last year. So this is a very conceptual layout of what it looks like, but basically we have stairs and an elevator on both sides with a bridge crossing that gets you across to the other. And then this is an artist just a rendering of what it would look like. And um this is from the UTA front runner side. And as I mentioned, we are we've been working with uh UD do. They've been our project management team in sync with us and we've worked through all of the design plans through Horox, excuse me, through Kimley Horn. And we've got the permitting all in line and like I said, we're very much close to be able to put this out to bid hopefully this month uh with an expectation of building this summer through until the spring of next year. And this is a report of our financial plan. Everything that's in green has been secured. So we have this one section in the 26 27 year that we tenatively we have placed a funding request through our prop one funds for $731,000. The total project price is $12.8 million. I want to bring you down here to this left hand side to be able to demonstrate how much we've been able to gather both internally and externally through external funds through all these wonderful partners that we've have on this lefth hand side that are listed WFRC UD do the county the state through the recreational trails and outdoor recreation program have been very supportive and we're grateful for their um hand in helping us to be able to raise the funds for this but collectively together we have about

$10.6 million in external folks [snorts] raised and internally we have earmarked $2.2 million. And so with the understanding of this grant that we have available to put in through the representative Lake Moore's office, uh we would like to submit uh to be able to um comp or to be able to replace the internal funds that we've gathered to be able to um compensate those back. And so that's one that we'd like to put in for um there any questions with this one before I jump over to the other one? This one looks represented more.

Yeah. What's the timeline? It's very quick. Is it? Yeah.

Constantly working long time now. So my understanding he was asking what the timeline is. So Representative Blake Moore's office basically asked us to get it in immediately. So, we're working very quickly to be able to get it turned in so that we can throw our hat in the ring for this one and see if it can get some traction moving forward. Great. Yes. Are you sending this with it this form? Mhm. And we probably change some of the highlights here. Okay. We'll talk with the mayor if that's okay.

That's fine. Are both of the both of these from the same grant bucket or are they different?

They both would come from the same grant bucket. They would fall under the subcommittee for um urban development initiatives and they fit nicely in those. So that's where we would put the applications into. The second one is the Freedoms Plaza. This is here in our city center, the heart of our Lake area. U this is obviously you you've been there. There's the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall, the Warog Memorials, and the Battlecross Memorial. This space right in here is really to be the heart of this plaza, this outdoor gathering space. We have a number of features that would be provided. One of them is a reflection pool with the intention of some plaques that would be able to highlight the founding father's documents. And there's a lot of symbolism in this design. There are 13 columns to represent the 13 original colonies that declared independence. And then we have a lot of benches that'll be included with a gold star family monument to recognize those families who lost their loved ones while in service. This is just a a view approaching the the space if you were to go there. And then this is just a view looking backward the other way. We have been working very closely with the committee. Mayor Petro has been a part of that committee where we've gathered members from the Vietnam Veterans Committee, um, Major Brent Taylor Foundation, um, the War Dog one, the the Warog uh, members among others. And together we've been working on sharpening this space and being able to uh, make sure we get it a collective view on how to make it just right. Um they've had our design team that's helping us put together the construction documents and um we've gone through a number of different versions

and renditions and we keep landing back on this this layout which as you can see reflects a lot of the early conceptual renderings that we prepared early on. We did have some great feedback on being able to add more shade opportunities. from those spaces here on either side are some additional uh trelluses that would be able to provide some additional shade and then just more benches for seating opportunities and then uh just enhancing the walkway coming in. And so uh we are we think this also would be a very nice project to be able to put forward with the the funding that's available especially with it being the American 250 year um has a lot of specialness about it that could really be the the right time to build to ask for some funding. Um Mayor Petro did mention that we were wondering how much can we ask and they they said that between$1 to5 million. So, um, we're shooting for about $2.5 to $3 million ask on this. So, we'll just put our hat in for this as well if it might be something you would support along the way as well. So, are there any questions for this one?

Do you have to prioritize? Um, they don't have a ranking, so we'll just turn them in side by side and and then from there, the subcommittee will review them and we'll leave it to them to to decide which one seems to fit their goals. They could they could fund both of them, right? Possibly. That would be the preferable preferable route. Yeah. But just knowing that, you know, both of them are Joel, are you putting in for the you had them on there for this section? Can you go back to your spreadsheet? The the trail one. That one was with the overcast.

Yeah. Are you putting in for the anything for this this grant period for the recreational trailer program grant or the Utah outdoor rep grant? I've already secured that in 2425 so that you're not putting in this round. Okay. Thank you. Um when you submit it, let me know. I actually have a pretty good relationship with Blake each other. I asked him things. He asked me about city stuff and so I have a good relationship with him. So if you say, "Hey, we're getting ready to send this in." I'm happy to to assist however I can. Thank you. That's wonderful. just showing the pictures from my

and he came to our uh Fourth of July a few years ago. Um so Leighton's one of the big cities in his district so he he's always very responsive to us. Yeah. Wonderful. Why don't you speak to the timing because there there are there's a a fairly narrow window when the funds have to be encumbered and and one of the projects the overpass probably fits into that timeline a little better than the other. Maybe you can speak to that. Yes. So when the the monies are awarded, there's there's a 12 month need to get going. So they're looking for shovel ready projects. Yeah.

Um but the overpass is definitely right there. We've got all the permitting done. We're ready to go. The designs ready. So and with us exactly going out to bid this March, it just really would fall into place and just go right through the the Freedoms Memorial Plaza. Like I said, we're working on the design concept plan. Um, pretty close. Well, not we're working on the construction set. So, we're really close to having that to go as well. Um, the the difference between the Freedom's Plaza is that we would hopefully be able to we would want to get all of the funding because otherwise we wouldn't have [clears throat] enough to be able to do it. Whereas with the overpass, we are we're ready to go and we have a backup plan. What's the What's the cost on the Freedom Memorial?

We're estimating $2.5 to $3 million. Not what we're asking. That's just the total. How How much do you think the project will cost? That's from the architecture. Mhm. When we first started looking at doing that project, it was more about 1.5, but that was several years ago. And that's why I'm kind of like thinking, okay, we really need to kind of speed it up.

Speed it up. Yeah. and try to, you know, try to move this along because I mean, I know that that's been a goal of ours for a while. Plus, you have a lot of the veterans that have helped raise funding and they uh gold star monument, they they've raised the funding on it, so they've gotten enough. They really want to see that gold star go up, but we don't want to place it until we have the overall project underway. So that's why we need to kind of push as much as we can.

You mentioned originally when you were talking about this how you can stand at the valley and look straight every everything is in line. It you know it's more than just let's put it here, you know. Yeah. So it kind of makes the whole park in in a s you don't I was going to say one thing I not that it would but I think in the conversations I've had it but we probably should mention because we don't know who all this goes to is the fact that this area is very dedicated towards the education which you have but

ironically that happens to be constitution circle so got to emphasize that this is constitution circle as well It just meant just fits so well. Yeah. So, so this evening we have two letters um that would like to turn over to the mayor and and if you feel comfortable um reviewing them and signing them, then we'll be able to include that with the application. Kind of like what we've done in the past. I' I've been trying to brief it as we go. But, um I'm willing to sign it now and then we'll just pass it around and

Yeah. and and we can if you want to look at it throughout the evening or or even if it takes a little more time that's fine. We don't mean to rush it. We just as as the mayor indicated, we're on a real tight time frame here. You have five minutes. So maybe 10 minutes. And the letter of course is just a a snapshot of kind of introduction introduction. There'll be a there's a whole whole packet of [clears throat] details and schematics and drawings that will frame this. So, um, are there letters of support from others? Yes. I'm reaching out to the other committee members that have been helping us. I think they'd be very strong supporters for us.

Yeah. It's just like everything else. I think the more they hear from all of us, the better off we are. But, um, thank you. Yeah. Thank you. cuz I know that they'll find out whatever buckets they can. That's crazy.

All five of us have signed our seats [laughter] irrevocably. Sorry. I said that letter actually says we all sign nice couple. It just reminds me of my wife sign here. Okay. Well, it's like this. You don't know until you ask. So, you might as well ask your name. So, I'm longer. You want your name to be longer than mine? It is John Hancock big Thomas

John. Thanks you guys. No, like I said, I'm I'm always looking at all different angles and I knew that this was there and I've been working them for two years really and I finally said, "Okay, I was afraid you were competing against No, no, no. I checked I I I keep checking each year with them. Okay, what does it look like? What what's your funding?"

Had to hurry and thank you you guys for responding so quickly as well. that it helps as far as the staff and everybody, but luckily we have projects that were already in the works and that's okay. Um, what's left on our work meeting and hopefully we have enough time here this evening is to go ahead and kind of talk continue our discussion that we had as far as our priorities that we'd like to kind of work on or our goals as a group. Um, I'd say, you know, I'm willing to just open it up and relist everything or maybe just spill out what what you each one of you would like and then we can kind of prioritize from there you'd like. But I just want to take advantage of the time here and and um try to move the needle on a few topics that we constantly talk about but don't do take any action. So, um I know myself and I and the needle has been moved and I appreciate it, but you know I there's several items but one that I think is beneficial and I know that the staff has been working on it now and kind of coming around and that's the idea of working um with our act with our overall active transportation and parks planning um roads plan is bringing those together and really kind of you know trying to identify clear paths of active mobility going forward. And um you know we've been Joelle and I've actually gotten her involved at the front regional council. They've got a a special class going on right now that's really diving into kind of understanding a lot of the the various views, the way

to approach it as far as the safety concept cuz you know the way it sits now a lot of kids unlike when we were going to school I mean we all you know couldn't wait to get our driver's license and a lot of the kids now they're you know that's not a priority but yet, you know, at the same time, we don't they need to have the ability to get around. And I really think that going forward, you're going to we've seen it, you know, with the e- scooters and that, but preferably bicycles will be better or good, safe walking paths. So, I think that that's something that, you know, I want to see us kind of plan towards the future on. Um, so I'm going to just mention it now that that's something I'd like to see happen as we look at different intersections throughout our city and even new ones. I know right by my house there'll be a new intersection there at some point. So, I would like to see that kind of really become, you know, one of these models for how you can approach an area that's going to have a lot of traffic and calm the traffic down so that it's pedestrian friendly as well as pedestrian bike roll, whatever you want to call it these days. But, you know, I mean, those are just some of the things I was thinking of. Um, and of course I brought this up before because I know I'm I agree and I think a few of the other guys do here uh in regards to our um PRS. So I think that one weighs, you know, probably pretty heavily here as far as one of our priorities, but I don't you guys may [laughter]

or shall I say prom? Oh yeah, wrong. Say we can that needs some tweaking, let's say, from our experience these past four or five years, right? As far as what qualifies, what goes into them. And I and I'll make it I voice this numerous times myself. I don't like the fact that all the rear entry products that seem to follow with it, but you [snorts] know, it definitely needs work. Yeah,

there are times when I don't mind it because of some other things, but there's times and it's like really, you know, I think we just passed one. Can you you mentioned it when we were walking out? So, we go ahead. Sorry. Hines's propert is just an R10. Yeah, that's what I mean. No, but it's a R10. I mean, it was just simple, perfect, good, you know. I mean, it was it was nice. It was nice.

Yeah. So, I know Zach, I know you don't like him. I mean, kind of embellish on that. What what what really kind of is I I mean I've you know I've every time you vote on

Yeah. I I just feel like that having multiple land use options is a obviously a good thing, but I think that the exception has swallowed the rule. Um, and that I think that there there has to be some way that we can at least legislatively um require maybe a little little more uh stringent requirements to be able to qualify. Uh I mean in the end it's a legislative decision from the council anyway. Um but I don't want to lead developers down a path that you know we're no development because that's not not what it is. I think it's just a matter of there are certain places I think that it fits and there are certain places when you have like a straight up piece of ground and they're like well this is unique because it's this flat piece of ground and that doesn't scream PRT to me up on the east side where we had all those issues with geotechnical

and like you got to move things around that that more I think is the idea that I had in terms of the what a PR should smell like. Um, and so that's why I was when we had the the one come up last time that was just a straight up R110 that was like, how do that, you know? But we approved one not that long ago, not that far down down down the street. Yeah.

PUD, two of them, right? One across on 2200 and one down Little Horn. And I'm like, those those are pretty much the same in terms of their layout. But uh two of them said that they wanted to utilize the P. So um I would we I would obviously have to look talk to the technical staff to see exactly how we do that. It's more just I know our job is not to be the experts in all the fields.

The point is is we want to know we need to let them you know give me some ideas from the planning staff about where you think from a legislative standpoint if this had three votes on the council or even just me. I said, "I want you to put together or ordinance for me that would provide more restrictions or provide a little bit more um narrow language. I would like to at least see what that looks like." So,

I'll speak up a little bit about about that. I've had some conversations with some developers and and they want options. They don't want to be like the rear entry um lots. they'd rather have an option that that's not required if it's marketable. So, they're they want to allow the the market to dictate or kind of guide them should use the word dictate, but guiding them what kind of development. Uh the Stevenson's property, I think why you saw the PD there was the the power corridor and interrupting that. Um um I don't know how this would work but you know I I've always when the master plan was passed uh I don't think any of you guys joy was from you still on the council buying commission there's an element in there of the [snorts] act heritage I actually vo voiced against that because

to me it looked like it it really doesn't fit what the citizens wanted in that whole process. They were looking for more trying to protect what what I call traditional agriculture. Now, we do have um a family that has protected uh the mon family that's going to but it's not a it it's not guaranteed. It's what they're doing now, but it it can can change. I know we get the 30% um versus 20 if I remember correctly because it's a heritage. One thing I like to see because I've seen this with I I bumped into Dave before CO down on Wever Lane. There's a piece of property the city owns there for a park.

Um and he was meeting with the residents there and I pulled in just to kind of find out what's going on. It was right next to my shop. Um and uh but that hasn't been developed yet. We own the property. The property is still sitting there. So kind of one thing I was thinking if we can change the PRP and I'm going to look at West here is um so and if you remember correctly in the Stevenson it all the open space is really for the members of the HOA it's not for the other citizens. So yeah we're going to put a dog park in there but I'm not going to be able to take my dogs over to that dog park. What I'd like to see is you can give them some higher density but then not confined it to that development. Uh almost like transferred development rights. So, we can take that money, um, allow them to put in smaller lots, which hopefully it' be more marketable, kind of like they were dealing with the Utah thing, trying to get some smaller homes built, and then but then have the developer basically pay or or fund the development of the park at Wever Lane, try to get some of this other money throughout the city and not confine it just to an 80acre piece that only those people can live. So that's kind of my thinking a little bit and just given given the the market kind of the driving force here. It sounds like I'm pro business and pro development, but

it it's being realistic just giving them the ability. Uh we just went planning commission just went through on the Barnes property of uh Gordon and the trail um Weston can kind of they they just they had some um some town homes if that weren't selling and it was just they weren't so we they modified the plan allow Oh yeah trailide

uh modified the plan so that then they can go ahead and uh build different types of units that they know they they can sell. So I think just trying to give developers a few more options, not keeping them in tight, but then again look at what we can do for the city that benefits not just our residents. And then one other thing I want to point out and I have asked developers this and and but I haven't found a city that does this. what what one developer told me that um there's some cities require an outreach program when they're [clears throat] putting in a PR. So if you recall at the Stevenson you have a lot of lot of uh

outreach meaning it's around the neighbors basically trying to get them on board. So, it would be a requirement if you're going to put in a PRD, let's have you have to do an outreach to surrounding neighbors and get input from them. And which I think in theory would be beneficial because a lot of those people um anticipated a certain kind of development next to their homes and now they're getting something totally different. You know, they've been in them 10 years or whenever that development was. So, um I don't know. I I would think legislatively that we'd have the ability to put this in that they have the outreach, but I I I do I I voiced my opinion on the Harmony Park years ago when that was in and you had

you had open space that wasn't right in front of someone's

um someone's house and I go, how is anybody going to use that open space and and but you know, the city changed that to eliminate that. So hopefully we can just keep improving the process um before we're all built out and start tearing down old homes and build new ones. But those are some some things that I think we could investigate and try to come up with a better also look at like reviewing that a heritage overlay because I think just by hearing it you think something right you hear a heritage overlay

it invokes something in all of our minds and I'm sure it's different for each of us but it still gives us something in our head and and then when you actually read what it is, it's generally not what you think it is, right? So, I think maybe reviewing that could also be beneficial and could speak to what you were talking about, Zach, about making it a little bit um a little bit I don't want to say more difficult, but just more intentional and more thoughtful about what is happening in those areas.

I just um we have all these entitled units throughout the state. we have and I'll maybe save some of these comments for maybe when we come to our budget meeting, but I mean there so much of the stuff that we've that I've heard for six years has all been the same song and dance for six years. Um, and I want to make sure that our the uniqueness that we have in the particularly on the west side where we have a lot of open space that we do honor that heritage. I think it's important. I I don't think that, you know, having, you know, apartments and town houses out there. I mean density is not a bad thing on its own but there's a reason why density should be near freeway systems near mass transit not out in that area

right and so I just think that we've there's been lots of discussion and I it's been pretty much like I said the same song and dance from the state side for the last six years. um we've done what they've lots of cities have done what they've been asked been asked to do

and in reality I think there are some underlying things that they haven't even mentioned as driving forces to housing prices um and in the end I think we have a duty to make sure the laten stays the latent that we want it to be and it's not turned into something that you know some bureaucrat in some other big city thinks that we should be doing it goes back to the kind of idea that with that water idea well we got to do because this is what you know these smart people in this think tank said this is what you got to raise your water rates to and they have no idea about what our city is like and so in a lot of ways housing is the same thing where you have these kind of urban people who look at walkability and they they want turn you know what are suburban areas people move to suburban areas for a reason they don't necessarily want walkability that's why they move to the sub suburbs if they wanted that they would go somewhere else and of if our suburbs start to look like an urban area. I think we've we've gone too far in trying to master plan our our zoning. And so that's a 30,000 foot view of just six years on here. I've just had um not consternation, but just there's just been a lot of talk about drivers for housing prices. And in the end, I think Jerry's right. I just don't know. I just think we just tell them this is the type of developments that we see in this area and

that's what that's what it is. I mean I I just think that the flexibility that we provide to developers isn't is has gone to a point where again the exception becomes the rule

and that's the expectation and we've had a couple situations where developers have kind of said well this is this seems to work in other areas and so we're going to provide not just a an ask we're going to ask for a change to the general plan because we want to do x y or z which is just pushing you know the idea of why we even did that that general general plan out the window that had all that community support and community input and I just think that if in the end when the development comes up and we forget the general plan, we forget the reason why we have the zoning that we have until it goes away, we need to utilize our land use authority and and make sure that we hold the line on

what needs. So

I the one thing that and I'm sorry I may be speaking in sheer ignorance but I never know what the availability is of town houses and apartments in the city. You know are they being filled to 50%. They seem to be filling up, but and excuse me for a sec. No, I'm not going to excuse me. I don't trust the developer saying, "Oh, we need to do this because you need it." I should know that. I don't know that. I'm trusting them thinking, "Well, they wouldn't build it if they didn't think they could sell it type thing." But it would be interesting and to know in our city what you know at whatever time we've got you know if we're 50% then why are we building apartment why are we building townhouse you know if we're 75 or 80 okay I get it but I don't know that and I don't know how to find the truth you know and but anyway it was just

what can you can tell Yeah. Yeah. I'll talk to you guys. Get it updated. Um I know that I didn't say that's what I didn't know. [clears throat] Then I'll talk to [cough] just one other thing that has nothing to do with it, but since I'm speaking when I bought my lot to put a house on,

was my lot. Well, when they built my house and I moved in, there was no top soil. Pissed me. Excuse me. And it upset me. And so I called my builder and I said, "Where's my top soil?" He says, "What do you mean, where's your top?" I said, "Well, I bought it. That's my lot." And what'd you do with my top saw? He says, "Well, we sold it." I said, 'Well, buy it back and put it on. He says, 'Well, that's not what they do. And I said, 'Well, you're going to do that or I'll see you, you know. And then the problem is Bar and I, we're real good friends. And that bar says, "You really want your top spot back?" And I said, "Yeah." I said, "But if I got a plant on top of clay, which is what I have, you know, at the time, I wasn't thinking of water. I was just thinking of growing grass. And now I look at here we are in a water problem and the worst thing you can do is strip the top soil because the water only goes to the clay and then goes wherever it go you know so can we make an ordinance? I mean is that something within our rights that we could say you can't take the top soil? I don't know. I keep thinking it must be

we're we're having discussions Weston and I have met with the developer. We're looking into that. Oh, okay. I mean with that I don't know the answer to that but

I didn't either and I didn't when I told him I was going to sue him. I was joking, but you know, I just said, you know, if I what? It's going to take me 5 years to grow grass on clay, but if I had my top soil, then, you know, even if I put sod over the top, I'd be better off. And then I found out that, of course, top soil holds water. I didn't think of it that way. I just thought of it, it wouldn't grow, but it holds water. And now we're in water. You know, we're going to be doing all kinds of stuff with water in the next 20 years. Anyway, all right.

One thing I Well, now I'll shut up. The other thing I uh wanted to potentially I maybe ask a question to legal um so we had this I remember this came up a little while ago. This uh Utah water savers program. We had an ordinance. Uh it was defeated. Um, and my question is I was I think some of the the hesitation from my colleagues was they didn't want to make it difficult for new buyers to have to have restrictions on what they were doing with their their um landscape. And so my question is if if we were to resurrect that, bring it back and um with our water concerns we're always going to have this summer moving on. Um, do the landscape requirements uh are they based on when the zone change is approved and the uh application is approved for the development or is it based on some like later date when the subdivision is platted and all that? The reason I ask is if we have three big ones coming out on the west side and if that ship's already sailed, then it's not as timesensitive for me to maybe look at resurrecting it if it's not going to affect those big three.

They're already vested. So, they would be vested in the pre in the current ordinance, current landscaping ordinance. I'm going to add I'm going to add though, uh, water's a big issue. I deal with a lot of it. Yeah.

Um so it it's a big issue and what Zach is saying that we we do need to address our landscape and and that um um a good example just the housing authority of county Salt Lake that I spent five six years there working. One of our biggest expenses uh to operate these are federal funds coming in was landscaping costs, the maintenance of it and then watering and we did everything in our power to look at how we could reduce the consumption of water and the cost because our funds kept getting cut and cut. Um so

so we do have one Mike we have one in place and we went through and really kind of fine-tuned it. But that was you can do this, not that you have to. Yeah, it wasn't a requirement. And what that one was a requirement, but I can tell you too in Clark County. Um, so Henderson, Vegas, and stuff like that, that that became a big issue down there. They they changed, especially with the housing authorities. They went basically everything to zero skate just because of the cost of water. And you're going to see cost of water just keep going up and up. So, it's something we need to start looking at. So, are you guys saying you want to readress the I think it would be

I think it would be good if we're going to do the PRB. I think we need to look at the landscaping almost simultaneously and try to mirror them so that they come uh there's a lot of advantages to do it. You can reduce uh um if you do it right, you can you're definitely going to reduce water consumption. Um, and then by reducing water consumption, even though rates go up, then you're still helping out the residents there because then they'll have more disposable income because it's not going it won't bring in revenue to the city by selling water, but you know, it it's the right thing to do is how I look at it. Um, I I will say that the P ordinance does require um water-wise. We don't require it on the standard single family home, but it does require on the PUBS. um it could get tightened down and clarified, but it does require

there's a lot there's a lot of landscape architects out there that worse bit than me that could actually give us guidance and stuff like that. Well, like I said, we took a really deep dive into this already and I know that the

I know I I recall I was here for some reason. I remember the motion pass that Zach's talking about. I had actually put in an application for that program and of course when when the city uh did pass it the funding didn't come from neighbor basin but I think it's something we can look into and see how we I'm always like hey what can we improve and make better just for our residents not just today but the ones that aren't even here yet. Well, and that was a concern when that was passed was the fact that because that's right and the housing market was shooting up that 17%, right? And it was like, geez, and now you want to

add the additional expense of the zeroscape on top of it because it does cost more for zeroscape. So, I think that's where this body was coming from at that time. But certainly, it's something we can reinvest. But water's going to get more expensive. It's going to become more of a priority in this. Water water is going to cost more in your home.

I can tell you right now, Davis and we were in 19 or in 2002 was going for about 4,000 a share. In actually, yeah, prior to 2002, 2002 [clears throat] 3 it jumped up to $7500. um 2014 I purchased some for um 25,000 this year and I'm aware of some that went recently for almost $100,000 a year. So in 20 years and see what the cost of that that

it's been my grandfather was a water guy and he wrote over a thousand letters to the senators and he had it wasn't him alone that three dams were filled and I remember I worked as a you know kid he was a water master one time he says that's not going to be enough water and I said kind of like you know big dams. He says by the time you die he says whatever you're paying for your house and you're paying for water and the more I see it the more I believe. Okay. I have a couple.

Yeah, I was going to say let's kind of make sure we get all these out on the table so we kind of understand what we call Go ahead. So my big one is communications. Okay.

Um whether it's a director, if it's a team, um we have cities around us that are much smaller than us that have them. Um we have had some situations in the past, especially last year, um where it would have been very helpful for us to be able to communicate what we want to communicate to the residents. Um, and so I think that's something that we need to really look into, think about, figure out how to do that because a city of our size, um, not having a dedicated communications director and not just like posting social media, that's all encompassing, but I mean like an actual, you know, a CIO or something. Um, that doesn't have to be Clint. He does great work for us. Um, but he has a whole department of legal things that he needs to do. So that's something that I think we need to really look into figure out how to get um and then maybe we could fold in other things to that. Um we are a very resourceful city which is good but also can cause some challenges down the road when people retire and they were really good at doing whatever it was they did but that wasn't necessary that was just all other duties as assigned. And so I think we need to be forward thinking when it comes to some of these tasks and things that we have that we really take pride in in making sure that we kind of budget for them and think about what we need in the future.

Um the other thing that I wanted to bring up was just reviewing the ramp bylaws. And I know we've talked about this before, but um thankfully it got passed again. Um, and so now that it's reauthorized, I think it's time for us to just really dig in and kind of look at those bylaws and make sure that the intentions that are in there are what we still want them to be for our city and what we do and all of those things. So, just would like for us to make sure we go through those, too. Um, the other thing that I thought about and um, this just came up a couple years ago and then I think maybe last year was just um, accessibility of our building. Um, and that's not necessarily something that we have to have as a as a council priority. Um but I know that on the Leighton City youth court for two years we had a youth court um member who was in a wheelchair and was unable to get up to the deis to do the duties that he performed. Um he's not the only one who comes or wants to come. We have residents who have mobility issues um and being able to get into the building. I know we have the ramp that goes around back but it's very cumbersome. just an old way of doing things and it's almost like go around back and we'll catch you when we get you type of thing. So, I know this is um something that would take a lot of planning, a lot of money and all of those things

exterior and interior is what you're saying. But I'm thinking that's something that we need to we need to think about because we have a lot of residents who would have mobility issues and may want to come and I think we should think about them. I think the internal stuff is probably easier to do. Yeah. with a quicker solution. But I do think we need to think about just broadly accessibility. Well, we doubled Well, we actually put um parking out front here rather than just over there. But yeah. Yeah. Because people don't realize that that's where it's at. Yeah. Doesn't matter where you park, you can't get in. Right. Right. Where you're going. Yep. Okay. All right. Those are some good ones. Do you have any?

Thank you for that. I spent 8 months in a wheelchair. So, thank you for that. Yeah, we just don't mean you don't think about it. It doesn't necessarily affect us, but I I um I'm [snorts] supportive of both of the communications effort and the ramp bylaws.

Okay. uh for priorities. I I'm wondering about the station area plan. It's I'm assuming it's more defense instead of offense that we we've got pro again we've got property owners and and uh in that area and we've got projects in that area. Just wondering what the the vision our the city the staff's vision of that what that could look like what that it's kind of coming up a little bit. I just wondered about that. We haven't talked about that in a little while.

If you want I can briefly respond but I don't want to just just go ahead and give a quick briefing on that. Um yeah so you're right. It it it was reactive towards the state because they required it. We already have a decent plan in place. Uh we received a grant for $175,000 from Los Angeles Regional Council to redo the code um for the downtown. We're actively working on getting that in place and we'll be doing that this year. So, okay. We're going to really tighten down the design and and what that area is going to look like and feel like this year. Okay. Okay. Pretty good.

You got a good answer. Okay, that's a good one. Do you have any others? I got one again. Yes. I'm not thinking about the welfare of the city and but it's our 250th year and the recreation parks they've taken on themselves to become the

the committee to take care of it. But to me, and I don't mean a statue, it's just something to commemorate. Freedom Plaza. What? That's why I want to push for the Freedom Plaza that I mean, you talk about

Yeah. If you put something in there that says 250, you know, year birthdays passed by then. But, you know, something Yeah, the plausa could, no question. but something that's just specific. You know, people, we know history because we've lived it, but you don't know history of late unless you go search for it. You know, there's a few spots that have all this. By the way, this house is 100 years old and so and so owned it and stuff like that. But you know, I assumed that the semiis made up that word.

Um, it only comes once. I I'm just assuming that. I'm not holding you intelligent, you know. So, just something, you know, just I don't know what I'm not I'm not looking for a big statue somewhere by any means, but just something that says, "Hey, you know, do you realize, you know, kids don't realize that?" And one day they'll live here and say, "Wow, it's kind of cool." You know, this happened when I was So, when uh we had our 200th birthday, we did identify properties around town and we did the signs. Uhhuh. That went out. Yeah.

To identify kind of landmarks of what was when late with Leightton's history. So, we could put it in dirt and during all of the city because it's been around. Yeah. Older than dirt. You're right. So, um older than top soil. Yeah. Good point. So [snorts] you're looking for one maybe one monument type thing. Well, you want to embellish what I'm asking. Are you want to embellish on what we started for our birthday? You could I I I'm not overly concerned either way. Just that there's something that that says, you know,

it's like when I walk in the museum and there's a bust of Christopher, you know, that's simple. Yeah. you know, but yet you read it, you think, "Oh, this is the guy that, you know, helped settle it. He didn't live here." But we have lots of beautiful places in the park that Yeah, there's a lot of places. Just something totally I think it's,

you know, it doesn't have to be like me and statues don't get along with. So just to kind of keep that conversation, let me just kind of open up an idea there only because you know I mean part of uh the planning with parks and rec since they've really taken this on I know that they're planning on a coin as well and one of the main things that really kind of identifies late that we've besides Christopher Leighton receiving mail here and it being a mail stop. Yeah. But it's also the snowboards,

the snowboards on the mountain. I mean that's over. So I mean it could be something as simple as like that, right? Is that what you're driving at? Maybe that's different. Snorus has been there since the Indians were here. So you could I don't know how. Well, I'm just thinking it goes with picture that they've created. Yeah, but this is 250 year birthday. So some sort of it's patriotic. So you know do we do we have a list of historical sites registered historical sites or do you want to you know that's

so my home I really don't you know a plaque would be fine. I mean a statue would be fine. I don't want to kick. I think that's just just something that we recognize that hey, give me an example. Okay. So, I know I'm probably visit, but uh right after I got elected, I was walking around the grounds. Yeah. And I went over to that cabin by the museum and I was like, that name was very familiar.

Oh, yeah. Hill. I know that. So, I went on the little family tree and John Hill and his wife, my great great great great grandparents, way down west side. Yeah. Feel a lot more pressure. Oh, yeah. To do what I'm supposed to as a city council member with the duty that I have.

Exactly. And it helped me understand that there's lots of people who have gone before and that I this that it's not just this is a a people, right? It's not it's not just soil, it's a people. So I think to your point, Dave, we could have something that could commemorate 250 years of of the country and how other people be able to find some sort of a connection between that just the knowledge. I think that's a that's a good use of 250 years.

These people over here asked me to do something. I'm not going to mention it, but I've had to study history more I mean in depth to try and find out some things. And I I'm I'm amazed. I mean, I really am to think of the people that created our country what they really were, you know. Excuse me. But they were they all weren't lawyers. It's okay. You know, just James Madison. Yeah. You know, Oh, it's okay. James Madison, Thomas Jefferson hated each other,

you know, but yet he one was vice [clears throat] president, one was president. And but anyway, that knowledge that I've kind of learned that it's not, you know, president this, president that has made me feel more proud of what's what's gone on. And you know, when I die, I'd like to have my kids or my grandkids or their grandkids be able to see something that said, you know, this is was the United States. This is, you know, we've been here for 250 years, which isn't very long compared to a lot of countries like Greece. And uh so anyway, that's like I said, I'm not looking for any specity. Just

All right. Are there any others? Yeah, I got more, but I've got three more years, four more years. [laughter] 90day rush. I figure that's enough for right now.

All right. So, I'm going to recap then what we've mentioned here and then of course, you know, I mean, if we want to put a priority to it, we can um because we do have 8 minutes from London or we can make sure that this is something we address, you know, all day. [snorts] So I heard um PRUVs we need to you know refine that as far as uh a overlays the rear entry options the open space qualifications um and today's point is the top soil where does it stay with the ground is there you know how do we want to address that um question the Utah water program and our what we can do with our landscaping in there knowing that we as we head into more water drought years especially this year uh communications CIO uh in particular and someone that we can identify that role and what all that covers um encompasses I mean need to re review the ramp bylaws make sure that's the direction that we still want to go with it and way they're written currently um the building accessibility both interior and exterior as far as making that more accessible for um those that are I hate to use the word handicap but

that have limited mobility disabled disabled okay thank you that's why that's why so disabled

um we need to look at the the stationary plan update which obviously the staff is already starting on that but it's something that we as a body really need to kind of make sure we're involved with that and make and the direction [snorts] we're going with it. um the um at planning as far as with including bikes, the size of sidewalks, how we utilize our intersections, safe route to schools, all of that. as far as just um additional ways of getting around our city and connecting the trails that we have in place. And then of course some type of historical uh whether it be a monument or something regarding the celebration of our 250 years that pertains to Leighton. So right

doesn't have to pertain to Leon but on the the pool and all that. Oh the reflection. Yeah. Freedom Memorial. How much funding are we sure? Most of it. We're estimating a $2.5 to3 million budget for being able to build it. So, we have quite a bit to build. It's a tall ask. Got to ask. Okay. Is that a good wrap-up then? Yeah.

Okay. Let me just then kind of re also emphasize the fact that um Utah leaves the cities in town. We have the conference next month. So please let Angela know you guys are going and um what accommodations you need and there's anything else internally. Uh I can't think that was main. Anything else? Oh, I have one. Since we're talking a known American 250 is coming up and um here

there's Yeah, it is here and we and you know there's been a a lot of events planned and and identified, but obviously the parade will be a big one. And so we want to really kind of emphasize that and I'll work on I've already kind of been working on some shirts and that for us. But this year I I might I don't have a firm answer yet. [laughter] Reconider.

Okay. Well, I haven't got a firm answer yet, but I um just know that, you know, to help celebrate the 250th anniversary, we might have something a little different to hand out um in the beginning for our popsicles basically, but it it might require additional help um and strategic planning. So, uh I'll give you the heads up now and I'll certainly when I have it confirmed, I'll let you know. In addition to or instead of No, instead of the popsicles, but it it's it's I have to change my songs. That's right.

Yeah, you got time. You got help, Dave. I know how I know you got help. [laughter] But anyway, I think it'll be great. It It's just some fun stuff to do. But certainly anything you guys that you want, speak up and let's kind of just make sure we're we're working together as a team and kind of being unified and and help celebrate. This is a like you say, it's a it's a lifetime opportunity for us that are here now. So anyway, that's all I have. I think we should invite the staff and they should get to wear cool shirts, too. They work they do they have I was going to say they start at uh

old dark 30. I know that for a fact. Right. You know, it's an all day event, but um everybody should get to wear dinosaur at least once in their life. [laughter] Just saying. Blow up dinosaur or the elf elf hat that something that one time and getting getting Alex to wear. Looks like he's interested. That was a D hat. [laughter] You're buddy. Come on. You're our buddy. Really? You wore it. You did. Just be glad there isn't a bunch of snow out there because right now I would have us doing our Christmas card us into that right there. Let me go to Whis's. He's got one of those green things you can stand.

I have a way [snorts] cool idea on that. If I just pull it off, but so yeah, I'm hoping, you know, you guys have to send us all of us, but um stay tuned. I'll have an answer here pretty quick. When are we having the dinner that the newest person elected buys for the um May May the second? Oh, I know. I think May the second. Y you'll get an invite the second. There'll be punch and alcohol. I'm going to warn you now. You guys will get an invite. And then I haven't been to fight the long time, which is going to be great. We'll have something else.

So, all right. May the 2nd, we're going to celebrate 100 years in my little corn. Oh, really? Yeah. About 106 months. So, how long have you been? So, it'll be Greek food. What's that? How many years you been there? [laughter] How about a motion to adjurnn and you can carry on? Motion to adjurnn. Okay. Second. Thank you, you guys. Oh, the other thing was