City Council - Regular Meeting

Anybody find the clerk? Oh, there she is. [laughter]

Okay. You need to close session first. No. Okay. do the roll. Madam clerk, we're so glad you're here. It's so nice to see you. Mind taking the roll call and so we can determine if we have a form? Absolutely. Councelor Korn here. [clears throat] Councelor Moore here. [cough] [laughter] Is that your sister Kirk coming? Sorry. Councelor Moore here. Councelor Herson here. Councelor Cavin here. Councelor Johnson here.

Councelor Gas will be here in a minute. He was over at the county. So he'll be here in a minute. Didn't he know he went the wrong way? He's new. We're going to let him get He's new. He get out get out this time. He's using Oh, now you was talking about me, man. [laughter] Council Helder did council Arnold council here. Mayor, you have a quorum.

Okay. Well, we would certainly I'd like to welcome all you all here and councelor Moore and councelor oppressor we welcome your family here as well. It seems like you're all here anyway. Yeah. And uh we I guess when we have our uh newbies show up, I we'll all stand and give him a standing ovation.

Okay. Yeah. One of us doesn't have to stand. [laughter] Okay. Now, now did everybody notice about what happened yesterday? The biggest thing in in the biggest thing that ever ever ever happened in Rita Doorhopper's life, Bregman moved to the Cubs [laughter] and then then some some damn Dodger got more money than Bregman did. So, he's probably having to renegotiate. They're both former Astros. Yeah, but they lost Kyle Tucker. That was probably a bigger loss. Well, I know, but you know, you have all those of us that really don't care

and don't know what you're talking about. [laughter] It doesn't matter. The daughter's going to win it all again. You just have to remember that, you know, the guy who hit that record that stood forever and ever was a Rajo Rocket while Joe Bowman and he started baseball here really got her going. You found us. You found us. Yeah. We got you up here where we I Bobby and I are both in control. I'll tell you what's right. He'll tell you what's wrong. You know, [laughter] Mr. Mayor, for the record, councelor Gas arrived at 10:03.

[laughter] Yeah. Well, for would you for the record, as long as we're doing the records and keeping them straight, would you make sure you amend the minutes to show that the last meeting he wasn't there for the photograph? The only one that wasn't there for the photograph. Well, I can tell you nobody's at Chavis County Administration building this morning. They're all here. Yeah. [laughter] Okay. Well, movie, I'll give you a choice. I've never done this to anybody else, but you you have a choice whether you want to do the Pledge of Allegiance or the invocation. You know which one we use. Well, I'm going to do the invocation.

Okay. Well, then don't be as long as some of them. Okay. You know, we have as long as doctor's appointments we have to take and geriatric quarter. All right. [laughter] Well, if we all stand, we should say pledge to our great country. Thank you. [clears throat] Amen. And a prayer to the to your to your God. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Our father, we want to thank you for being with us here today. We want to thank you [clears throat] for all the blessings you brought to us, our families, and to the city of Roswell. I want to thank you for all the staff here, the counselors and the mayor that work toward guiding Roswell into the future. And I ask that as we have in the past, that you'd lead us into the future and that we follow you and do what you think is best. We ask that you continue to bless us in Jesus name we pray. Amen. Amen.

Amen. [clears throat] Okay. Well, first of all, I'm just opening up uh when we we do all this stuff, it's really good. I thank everybody for it and if we're all ready to start a new term, I think as we look in a new year, uh I want to thank everybody for the past. I mean, I really feel really really comfortable that our city is on a good road. You know, we're struggling getting all everything balanced and everything else, but that it's all right. But if you look at the work that was done in the air races and by the staff and you look at the attitude uh of our staff, I think it's really remarkably improved. And uh it's it's really been a real blessing uh because I think they have the confidence in this council and I think I think we have a con the confidence in our staff uh that we are all moving Ronville forward and uh and I I think it shows throughout our dedication. I would point out that you know once again where that 161 mi 8 in 10 in I think that was 12 in uh pipe the cast iron pipe is broken again over on Montana and uh they fixed that leak there twice and this time there's one across the whole street uh so we hopefully there will be enough given that from the wear and tear on big trucks going down there that it uh will

stop the breakage of that pipe if it was big drops. It it could be it's just 85 years old. And uh it does remind us we've got to get with congressional people. Uh we're going to need an extreme amount of money to begin to repair things. When you have that whole base covered with 480 volt wires that are 4 in deep, we have no idea where the where they are. We have no idea where water lines are in a lot of cases. So when the government did say they didn't take very good records and if they did take good records, they didn't share them when they left. Remember, they kind of just walked out the door and said, "Adios.

The keys." Well, either adios or something else, but we had a pair today. We won't use that finger. Okay. So, but anyway, that's it's just the way it is. So, okay. So, moving right along. Resolution number one. We Mr. Mayor, I think it's normal procedure that we make a formal motion to accept the agenda. Is that not right? Well, it's not on here, but that's normal procedure. Well, I just do what the clerk says. I perhaps

Mr. Mayor, I move we approve the agenda. We might have to do it organizational before we can do the or he's not the the caller here, but we have formally we we should uh have an organizational meeting so we can adopt the rules to do the agendas. Yeah, you ask counselor. Go ahead.

Yeah. So, Mr. Mayor, the intervening state law has required an organizational meeting at the first meeting. This is designed to imitate kind of what congress does. So when when the congress meets before they do anything else they decide upon their rules and once their rules are decided upon meetings proceed u the way that we've presented the the the clerk with my advice has presented the uh agenda for you shows that there's three actions that state law says must happen. Uh we put them in order we thought made most sense. Uh the first being you have to have rules to then [clears throat] approve agendas or things like that. So that that's the reason why the approval of the agenda doesn't appear first in this particular uh [laughter] agenda.

So Mr. Mayor for so the nomination of officers why can't it be further down the agenda? [clears throat] I understand the resolution on the orders and the pro 10 cuz those are organizational but we've done nomination officers all times since I've been here.

Yes. So if you uh look at number three it does state that at the organizational meeting the mayor shall submit for confirmation by the or by the body the names of persons who shall fill the appointed offices. So the mandated actions are the first three that is the entire consistency of the organizational meeting. So uh what you might be referring to counselor is when there is a vacancy then the mayor has to bring the nomination at the next regular meeting.

Well when we shifted from Mr. show that there wasn't anybody on the plate back then. It was March before we got all that gathered up because we advertised and had interviews. Mr. Mayor, uh just as a counter to that, uh [clears throat] Council Warren, on my four years of sitting on this council, this is the first time we've ever had a governing body organizational rules, which we should have. What annually? Uh so it they must be done every two years and you can call them whenever you feel need.

So we have we have not in four years we haven't done this. We have had no rules. Well it the rules have existed. What what effectively happened is that you don't even remember. I don't remember having one either and we've done been in 12 and this was [laughter] and the reason for this it was the organizational meeting became the exclusive venue to create rules per state law this last legislative session. Okay. Thank you for clarification. Appreciate Thank you, Mr. Mayor. It's a little simper if we listen to the lawyer first. What?

Okay. Well, okay. So, resolution number one uh um would you like to explain council resolution number one go through your speed? Uh yes, if that's all right with the C. So, I things as there no rules. It kind of has to be by unanimous consent right now is the way like Congress would operate. So, if everybody's comfortable, I can explain the posturing and walk through things um if that's okay with the council. Is there any objection? [cough and clears throat] Seeing none, it's unanimous.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Counselors, uh, I'm sorry you have to do this. It's a slo. When the municipal league consulted us on this, we were actually opposed to this change in state law. In any event, um, what we have here, so you have pre-existing rules of order, and we've adopted Robert's rules by ordinance. This has [clears throat] not necessarily uh been changed by state law, but in an abundance of caution, what we have done is taken the rules of order that were originally created in 2016, amended in 2017. I have done some editing for you, which you are free to accept or reject, but uh what you'll see is as we go through and sorry, there is a resolution. So, at the end of this, if you all have a document you can agree upon by six or more, you can have the resolution. You would vote six of you by roll call because state law provides for roll calls for resolutions. You vote for that and those would be your rules of order and then moving forward we just go into regular council mode

within the rules. Got so uh just some what you'll see here. If it's crossed out it was in the in the version that we worked off of the last time the council spoke to this. If it is added uh with an underline that would mean that I've put it in. Anything that I've put in that is cited is just a is just state law. It's not editorial. Um so a lot of these hopefully you if you are all okay with [clears throat] it, I think it's just easiest to go paragraph by paragraph or section by section. Okay.

Uh and I'll try to move through it as quickly as possible. So uh section one, your authority to make these rules stems from state law and particularly 312-385 and 3171A. Um, this is just a standard boilerplate introduction to things like this. So, if you're okay with that, I will So, why did you take out why can't it be and the ordinances of the city? Why does that have to come out? Uh, so the the ordinances um you can't adopt an ordinance about procedure unless it's an organizational meeting now, which is why that's cut out. But that's where we are now is an organizational meeting.

Correct. So if you look at what's and the ordinances uh the governing body may adopt rules of procedure for all meetings of the government body. So for me it it comes it just redundant to the actual citation.

So that's in state law. So it it just tells us that's how we do it. Yep. Yeah. Authority is simply the section that says for anybody moving forward why did we do it this way? You now know where to look. Um if you see federal regulations or state regulation like DOT reg for example the first paragraph is authority um so with your all's permission I will I can accept this edit then we can move to the next paragraph or any any objections

okay section two um I'm going to sorry and I know uh as I accept things will get bumped up or down potentially or or decline. So I when I refer to something, I'm going to refer to what's in your packet by page and line number.

So we're now on section two, parliamentary procedures, page uh page seven of your packet, line 12. Um so this is just stating what the Roswell code already states that our background uh version of rules of orders, Robert's rules, and what's already in ordinance that strict application. So if we for some if we do a roll call instead of not a roll call or vice versa, it it doesn't prohibit the validity of the action so long as it complies with state law. Uh that's not to say it's the correct way to do it. It just says we're not going to open ourselves up to lawsuit about procedural issues. If there are are there any [clears throat] concerns?

Is it okay with everyone if I accept? Yes. Yes. All right. Okay. Any objections? Okay. It's okay. All right. Uh so here is one that uh is something that we haven't practiced but going through all the state code. The governing body is is technically defined as the council, the mayor and the manager. uh the mayor is restricted to a vote only in ties and the manager simply is able to sit and voice an opinion but cannot vote or and later on we'd clarify that the count the may the manager does not make emotions. So this is just a recitation of state law and is this the one that somewhere else?

This is the one why you can only vote in ties and so I don't get any votes on capital outlay or anything else. You can have my stickers in this next year. No, nobody I asked for stickers and I didn't get any. You can have mine and nobody get on. So we don't have to hear it anymore. [laughter] All right. He wanted that dub. Start calling him Chardonnay. All right. It's okay. I'll agree with it. Just you guys. Thanks a lot. Any any concerns? No. All right. We'll be through this in less than three hours. Good. [laughter]

All right. Quorum. This is also a state law. Uh governing body members minus the manager qualify for quorums. That's page number line, please. Oh, very good. Page one line or page seven of your packet, 25 of your good. Okay. Uh, so yeah, that that's just saying what a quorum is. You can't really change that. But

it doesn't doesn't say how many require or anything like that, right? We have that somewhere else. Yeah, it's just a majority. So long as So that's So six in six five counselors and the mayor of six counselors, you're good to go. That's the same. That's not the committee of five. It would be good. Right. And that's why we made the committees five so that we don't have ties. Yeah. Well, a we don't have ties and two it doesn't necessarily create a quorum if there's some issue for it was to protect us uh from the office. If you had a tie, how could it be the four and beans and five and the mayor if he don't get to vote? Uh that's a state law. It just [clears throat] says the mayor shall be counted for quum.

Yeah, it's a Yeah, they just said it is. One other one may you'll have to talk with the two guys at the head of the table who actually serve with the legislator. [laughter] Their wisdom shall not be questioned. All right. Accept. Okay. So, is there any objection to three? No. All right.

Uh we are now on page seven, lines 31 and 32. Uh the agenda historically is uh done by the manager or designate. Uh really the clerk does it a lot but uh that's with the manager's help often. So that's why we just threw in designate that the uh if for some reason there this is just a way of saying we in legal parliament if you don't say or designate and we don't have a manager we don't and the manager hasn't left the designation you don't actually have somebody with authority to do it. So that [clears throat] that's just a clean up to allow it to continue. Um and you'll see throughout the document that city council is now replaced with governing body just for uniformity. Are there any thoughts, concerns? [laughter]

You had it highlighted on here. Yes. In our packets, line number 40, right? I was It's a It's a separate idea, so I was going to clear this sentence up and then move on. Okay. All right. Uh, any any objections here? [clears throat] If we go to the [cough] things you'll get your count your minutes and the stuff you get will be clear. It won't be 20 days or whatever. So you'll get it'll be quicker you action.

So so what Mr. Mr. Mayor on that one that's uh any the open meetings act references I took out of here is is open meetings needs to my view is should is a standalone document that we abide by that is superior to these rules so I don't want to create the confusion that oh it's in the rules so maybe we can be fluffy about it the state law is the state law the state law we're stuck with all right so now this we're on 40 and 41 now

um yes so we are now page seven line 40 uh so the the rule has been that nothing submitted less than 8 days prior to the meeting is to be heard. So in practice this hasn't this hasn't been practiced partly because of unworkability due to committee schedule. Um so my thought and I didn't and I wanted to get everybody's input here. I think eight days is good uh because for nonite items for items that haven't been to a another committee, but if you're referred from another committee, it can get on. So So let me explain. Um

the legal committee meets 7 days before finance that would not meet the cutoff. So what we would say is unless it's a committee reference to the council or to another committee, 8 days is the rule. So in other words, you counselors can always send things to each other quickly so long as it's within the open meetings act. Staff, we get it to you with at least a week's notice. So you're going to change the wording of I just want that's something you're comfortable with. We could I would add some and it would just be accept because that's your suggested wording. The suggested word is

items must be submitted to the city manager no later than eight days prior to the meeting during which items prior to the except that just keeps you guys make sure you get your information up front quick. So when they start handing us stuff at I'm sorry. No it's fine. I'm sorry.

Go ahead council. So when they start handing us stuff at the meeting, we can reject it. We can say we're not re accepting this. It happens so often. Oh, I didn't get that till you here. Sorry. Here's another packet. It changed yes this morning and and y'all want us to review it and accept it so we don't have to do that no more. Yes. That's what you're saying. You're putting it in writing that we don't have to accept that nonsense. Yes. Anymore. it the legal's view if it's if you can't have it ready a week ahead of time for the council probably doesn't need to be heard unless it's an emergency in which case we call a special meeting.

Okay. So if that happens get something that's important then we would just have an emergency meeting. Okay. I'm okay with that. stuff that can't come up in discussion of the meeting doesn't mean you know we [clears throat] come in here and another council reads what's on the agenda and when they want to have an amendment is that saying it has to be in seven days early to amend anything on the council or we can amend it here with our conversation I'm not 100% sure I understand the question there if we come in here and we all decide that that the the amount of money or something that's in this item is $100 and we decide it should be 50

and we make a change in here, it doesn't have to go back and wait a month. That's correct. Yes. So

the the item has to be if a staff is presenting an item to a committee or the full council, it needs to be done with 8 days in 8 days in advance. Now what what this doesn't say in the underlying background of state law is that five counselors or the mayor under state law can always place on the agenda. So my reading to that is that we cannot by rule undo a state law. So if if five counselors get together so long as it doesn't violate the open meetings act and say 4 days before like we got to get this on the agenda now it's done. You okay again? Okay. So that's the except referrals made by government governing body that still that still works is that's a state law underpinning. So committees can make referrals and that's less than five. Five can always make the referral in compliance with the open meeting act or the mayor.

Should that be committee since they're the governing body that means parenthesis around s at the end. Boom. Lawyer. [clears throat] Oh my that's fantastic. I've read contracts in my accounting governing body committee. Okay. All right. Um yeah. So are there any issues with that that word? I think that's all right. [clears throat]

Okay. Uh so on page eight starting at line six of your printed packet there are a bunch of deletions. The idea there is that this is just edited to match the language in the open meetings act. So we we say special meeting and workshop and those really aren't the type of meetings that state law that state law has the [clears throat] organizational meeting and all pretty much all other meetings. Uh well the special meeting special meeting regular meeting organizational those are the three. So the idea here was uh the regular important thing to use is cyber kind of the regular meetings at the governing body shall be held at 6 p.m. on the second Thursday of each month unless otherwise indicated on the meeting. So this is just the state law. Uh we delete everything else that uh doesn't really have to do with anything. Um if you guys want to hold the equivalent of a work session, you just move to suspend the rules and you have work session. So it's all encapsulated by Robert's rules already.

So is there any any concerns about this? So a work session is not a state rule that's why that's why you take it out. Okay. Yeah. So like if you guys want to behave as if there's a work session like you just say motion to suspend the rules and have a workshop and then two or six of you have to agree to that and then you're good to go. Is there any objection? [clears throat] None. Are you hearing? None. Go on to the next. You're at 28. I mean, line 31. Are you objecting to something?

No, we he was we were just taking out that first section. I trying to understand what line 31 why they have to take where we're taking that out.

Yeah. So, um, so we're now page two, line 28 of the written, um, here. So, the first thing is just a citation [laughter] edit. I thought that'd be helpful. Next, uh, emergency meetings are specifically enumerated in a separate part of the state code. So, I just wanted to throw in what the actual definition of an emergency meeting was. Uh, I usually don't, well, I'll quote state code, but we've had questions in the past about whether emergency meeting can be called like a personnel matter. Um so the I I thought to throw it in. So um it the actual thing is that it's circumstance that if not addressed immediately by the public body will likely lead to injury or damage to persons or property or substantial financial loss to the public body. So somebody being cranky won't will fit the bill.

On that line on [clears throat] persons of financial loss to the public body can you put loss or gain? Uh unfortunately [clears throat] no that's a gain that's the state that's a that's pretty much a direct quote from state [snorts] law.

I mean if we get a big it is a quote because if we have a gain if we do something that's really good and beneficial or maybe we just declare we don't owe it. So ratification would be so if it's a procurement issue you go to ratification uh but uh but otherwise you you call [clears throat] the you have to do the 3 days although [sighs] and this is being a lawyer but not gaining something could be seen as a loss potentially but it's always circumstantially dependent. Oh yeah it just depends how you pay the lawyer. That's right. One of you pay him eight hours and one of them you just pay him 10 times. Okay, Mr. Mayor.

Yes, sir. Question there, counselor. Um, we referenced that we can do things with five members of the governing body, but special meetings have to be take six members of the governing body. Why is that? It's a quorum of the council. Yeah, that's a it's a quorum. I have a I have a protection because I'm I can call them, but for you guys, it's But does it not create a quorum when we do that? Oh. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yes. So uh so why shouldn't it be five members?

So that that is the that is the state law requirement [clears throat] under 13-12-C and that is a a contradiction between the open meetings act and the municipal code. The attorney's general attorney general's office states that their view and they're the ones who would enforce it against us typically. Their view is that categorically creating agenda items and uh determining when meetings are at are excluded from the open meetings act even though it doesn't explicitly say so. Right. But they didn't definitely say six because No, that six comes from the state code. Well, it can't be six because there are some councils in this state that aren't six members even total.

Oh. Oh, I see what you're Yeah. So, what it should say is a quorum. I put six in. So because we're 10th, but I could replace that with quorum if that makes I just want clarification because everything else talks about five and then this one here talks about six. So what what six means of this is quorum. So when you do that you get six counselors to agree to that. We haven't violated the open meeting act. Correct. We have not. Correct. Okay. I just want to make sure we're not in violation of the open meeting. Yeah. No no. So, uh, any number of counselors can always communicate questions can always communicate to create a meeting and an agenda. They should cease discussing it after that point. I know how silly that sounds,

but that's the Yeah. Okay. As long as we're operating correctly here, but you could have you could have three on each side and you have three opposing sides that all want to have a damn meeting. Mhm. So, that's just Okay. Any any further comments? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Can we say quorum instead of six in case he ever changed the number of counselors? Oh, we change that. We would have another organizational meeting by Yeah, I'm happy to put quum, but that makes that that is cleaner. That's a good both you guys. It would be cleaner. That's confusion.

You want to change that to quum? All right. So, you're striking any six members in the city council. [clears throat] The idea being if it's the mayor's part of that six, then you can do it anyway. And is it is it the city council or governing body? City councilors. Okay. Right. Cuz if you have five plus the mayor, you only need the mayor.

Okay. So were you where you took out this emergency time limit where it said at least 2 hour before and all that. We don't need to have that as what that so there's no time in if there's an emergency meeting. Yeah, that was something that was weird. I couldn't actually find why that was in there. Um and so if I found no there's a couple things we'll talk about later on too, but there's no 2hour require if there's an emergency you call the meeting. It's an emergency. Um, so I I took that language. It's not impossible. Should the as be taken off there? City council.

Uh, yeah. I think by the quorum of the city council. Yeah. Yep. There we go. No, not right there. I thought you were talking about quorum of the city of councilors. Okay. Counselors. Yeah. Just see where they are now. And the O. So, we could done that in enrolling and engrossing. I could appoint another committee for enrolling and engrossing. Come on. I don't know how I'm supposed to respond to that. See, I know what he's talking about. You don't want to be on there. No. [laughter] Okay. Um, and so

something if uh as you can see on your on your printed packet all the way down to the bottom of page two, that's green because it was just cut and paste into the other paragraph for stylistic purposes. So if there's no no worries on the to the end of page two, I can accept these changes. Okay. All right. You get paid by the damn number of pages you put in. All right. Uh we're at the top of page three, line two. Uh closed meetings, like this is just part of the deleting of things that are within the Open Meetings Act. Um [clears throat] now, uh so is it all right if I accept those changes? Yeah. Yes.

Did you check with Rita? [laughter] I tried, Rita. All right. Uh, this was a weird one to me and I just wanted to to see what you all felt about it. Uh, it says that you can't have a recess for more than 48 hours. I didn't find that anywhere in state law. I don't know why we would do that. Uh, by way of example, it would make recessing today impossible unless we were to meet on the holiday. So, I thought we'd just delete that second. You guys can recess to a date determinant and a location determinant under the open meetings act. Could you put that maybe maybe make that your language? Yeah. recess to a

to a later date determined. I like the word determined because I Mr. Chair determined Mr. Mayor. Yes. Just because I leaving it open-ended but when you recess having a specific Yeah. When you recess, we got to know when we going to have Come on. Why did it start over there? That's weird. Up there at the top, right, Jessica? Is that right, Jess? No, I'm full. [clears throat] No, it was full. So, it was full. So, recess meetings. Any meeting of the governing body may be recessed to a commonplace determinant for the pay the OMA

open meetings. Act. Okay. Okay. See, I would be protected because I can call a meeting anytime anyway. I mean, I'm just saying both sides, you know, you counselors, you guys have your rights and I have mine and I mean, I understand that. I I wanted to be fair if everybody understands it. Absolutely. Can you write that out? I think it would be more appropriate for those for the layman. Yes. You shouldn't you shouldn't use [clears throat] in legal documents should not use abbreviations. That's fine. Okay. Uh seating assignment that is unchanged unless you guys want to change it.

All right. I will accept presiding officer. That'd be the mayor. Um by definition that would be the mayor, right? By definition. Right. Unless the mayor's not there and then the then the promote move everybody around there. Yeah. That's exactly it. [laughter] Yeah. Yeah. So if the mayor's incapacitated, God forbid, um, for 3 months, the prom the prom is the mayor everything around. Yeah. We can put everybody musical chairs. Make them make a mag. When they come back, he don't know where nobody sits. I mean, [laughter] if you There's a reason they call it a pro. P R O T I M. All right. Um, [laughter] that's pretty good. That's pretty good. That's pretty good.

Never heard that one before. [laughter] Okay. Uh, page three, line 13. Quorum was moved up for status purposes. So, I think everybody's okay with deleting it from this part. Oh, he's in the other section. I'm sorry. Page. Page nine. I'm Thank you. All right. Any other objection on page 9, section five? Okay. Okay. Next. Next. Uh, order of business. Uh, instead of an executive session, I've just edited to be a close session. That's the uh open meetings language. Um any issues with that change? That's seemed like it's already just

All right. We um now so is there any objection to that to this item on the top three? And you know I'm sorry this actually shouldn't have been this needs to look like that. Which one? Okay. uh line uh 24 of page three. That shouldn't have been deleted. That's a So that's back in. So that's back in.

Yes. So um now that we're at order of business, uh what you'll see is I've changed the order of business to reflect the two general types of meetings you have. One is the quasi judicial and then one is the regular. Um so if we have a later on in this it'll describe how quasi judicial meeting should go uh with which has some distinctions obviously when it mandatory close session afterward typically unless it's obvious what the result will be but but we'll get there. Um in any case uh the first thing councelor corned flag uh pledge of allegiance for invocation. Do you guys have a a preference on order? So the there's two schools of thought. One is that God goes first and the other one is that you save the best for last. For those of you [cough and clears throat] who are religious, for those of you who are not religious, it probably doesn't matter one way or the other. [clears throat]

I don't think God cares either. Yep. Right. As long as he gets his revenge, should you call? What's his name? [cough] Got somebody over there that always you better call later. All right. Uh, in that case, we'll be moving to page three, line 39. There are no objections, right? Oh, what happened to the approval of the thing number two at the bottom? Did you say that already? It's page 939. Okay. I'm sorry. Yeah, page nine. I was like turning. I didn't turn the page. Nope. So, yes, you got you've got this the small number that's on the page and then you have the agenda number on there. So,

yeah, I keep reading the small number, but I will read the agenda number moving forward. Um, so, uh, this is just an an addition that wasn't spelled out. U, it originally just says this. I thought we because each one of these requires a different vote. So, approval of agenda, minutes, consent items. Uh, here, uh, this is [clears throat] kind of restating what's already there. It's just a counselors can take something off consent whenever they see fit. The the staff would just request if you can do it with 24 hours notice. That way, we make sure anybody who needs to be [clears throat] there is told in advance. It is not a requirement, and you can see by the language, you shall make reasonable efforts to do it. So this is a green double underlined again. Why is it underlined [clears throat] twice?

Oh, uh because that's moved from So if it's green, that means it was moved. Uh it was not deleted. It was just moved to another section. So that language is still in the document. So the consent item shall contain routine is still there. Yeah. Okay, Mr. Mayor. There's a little arrow. Go ahead, Councilman Hill. Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. So counselor, if we approve the agenda and then we come along and approve the consent agenda, but we pull something from the consent agenda, what's the procedural process? Thank you for asking, council. Nice. Good. Gee, it's like a space.

So if you see, I put a footnote. Sorry. Okay, this one's for you, mayor. You now have a script. [laughter] It's all right. So consent items should contain routine non-controversial items that require action by the governing body but don't really need deliberation. Uh this is something I do want to state because we there has been confusion to get on the consent agenda the committees have to unanimously consent to it being on the consent agenda otherwise it's not unanimous right

so what would happen and this is kind of pulled from how Robert's practitioners of Robert Fools do it the presiding off officer [clears throat] will say the consent agenda is before you are there any items any member wishes to remove from the agenda before discussion pause listen if there is an if council Maruo says, "You know what? I really, really hate football and I love baseball. No lights for the football field. I know you've never seen that. Hearing that item X is requested to be removed, it will be considered separately as item Y. So just add a number to it will automatically automatically rolls up

goes over. Then [clears throat] as soon as there are no objections or any lack of objections, the the presiding officer, mayor, mayor prom hearing no request for removal, the remaining items on the consent agenda will be adopted without objection. Wait for objection. Hearing no objection, the consent agenda is adopted. Okay. So there's [clears throat] um my opinion is this jives with state law if there are resolutions because you have to do a roll call vote, but when it's unanimous consent, it's a yes to everyone. So it's the equivalent of a roll call vote. Thank you. So is that going to stay down there? Is it going to go up? Sorry.

Looking go ahead. Having just been in Santa Fe for newly elected special training the last couple days, they said you should never have an approval of agenda because it's posted [clears throat] for the open meetings act. And so that agenda, you don't need to approve your agenda because it's already been given to the public and that agenda is already there and approved because if it's not approved in that notification 72 hours before, that's the agenda you're stuck with. So you don't approve the agenda is what they said.

Yes. So I I have a a slight twe that is the rule for putting things on. Absolutely. Uh the reason that we it doesn't say you can't pull items off under the open meetings act though. That's right. It just it just says when you have your meetings you should not have an approval and agenda item on on your list of things you're doing.

Yeah. So that and like I respectfully disagree with the league on that one just because they're well legal committee or not legal committee who um public safety earlier this week an item was not ready everyone recognized it wasn't ready and they just pulled it off at agenda. So that that's why I have an approved you know good you know Mr. [laughter] Mr. Mayor, we got, you know, some intervening thing. This should not be considered by the council right now. And that's when you would remove it. Well, we can take off approval agenda to if we want to follow the league's advice, perfectly fine. We would just get to that item [clears throat] and then the mayor would simply say, is there a motion and let it die for lack of a motion?

Right. They're saying they're saying if you have the approval and agenda, you're violating the open meetings act. I'm just telling [clears throat] you what they told us. I don't know how that worked. I can't think of it. You have to give the agenda to the public 72 hours before the meeting. So now that's your agenda. You don't have to approve it. That's your agenda. So if there's an item on there you're not going to do

and there's not a motion to approve or there's not a second then it's just deleted from the thing anyway. My question [laughter] is depending on the reason for not addressing the issue and you remove it from the agenda, does it then you you have to do something with the item? It either needs to go back to committee for potential amendment or something. You can't just pull it off and just let it float in space. You got to do something with it. and and and you can table it because maybe it's just a typo that's easily handled and we'll take it up during the next city council meeting. But you can

I I don't care what you do. I'm just telling you that's what No, I I I think that's I mean it's to this is one of those things where it's neither correct. It is correct. What he's saying is absolutely correct. But

well, is that any regular agenda on any regular meeting? I I just have some concerns. We could have an issue comes up of public safety or other issues that must be addressed immediately. And this is something that protects newspapers to make sure that they can go write a story about you or something or about some issue. No offense, but there could be things that we have to do because it's an emergency situation. It is immediate and and it should not and if we can't explain that that's our problem. But I mean I think that I think it's wrong to say that we have to I mean we should we have to give notice to everybody about what's on here. But you can have something for public safety. You have something that needs to be done immediately. It ought to be done immediately. And I don't think you should have to say we have to wait 3 days to fix the bridge that washed out. whatever or whatever somebody uh somebody got shot or hurt, we have to wait 3 days to make an action to to say we have to compensate somebody for something. I think that's something that uh that's probably not a good one, but uh we shouldn't have to say we have to wait there. We ought to always have the power to make a a a decision in this body immediate if we need to. That's why we we're elected here to protect the people, not to protect the newspapers or TV or anybody.

Yeah. Go ahead. That's If we leave it in there, we're just covering our bases. So whether it's in there or not, it doesn't really matter. I say leave it in there. And if it doesn't need to be in there, it doesn't [clears throat] matter. If it's in there, we cover our bases. We're cover. So

So yes, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Actually, I personally disagree with the um with their their approach. I'm not saying it's a wrong theory because I comprehend what they're saying, but to me, it's almost a formality. There's something about saying, "Yes, I as your counselors approve what is before me." And so, for me, I I think it should be left in. And it also allows it allows for shifting or change if need be. But whether we do change or not, like I said, we're just sitting there confirming cuz we didn't build what was actually put out to the public.

And council, I get the the other thing is the uh this is an approval of the agenda is also where agenda items are moved, which wouldn't be an open meet exact issue. So, you know, so and so has to be so the the order of operations is prescribed by resolution. that's what we produce for you. But if you know that you know Tom has to present at six o'clock and then leave for an operation that the agenda approval is what he bumper counc

you know in the past we have been told that uh consent should not have ordinances on it because it requires six six votes. But we have had ordinances on consent various times. It's [clears throat] just that it has never happened that only five have voted on it. [clears throat] But is is that a problem as far as consent is concerned?

Mr. Mayor, councelor Pesa, the consent agenda can't have final ordinances because there is a required public hearing. Yes. the advertising can um there's actually no requirement to in the state law for us to advertise the way we do. We could we could type in that timeline. So that's um you'll never see an or a final version of an ordinance at least while I'm here uh on consent just the approval to advertise but in the past we have had final ordinances in the consent. Yeah, that that shouldn't have happened. Ju just to clarification, but I thought that's why you went to vote

to uh voice vote for consent. So to cover that basis, I think that's why we went to voice for consent and have to have six. I think that's why we went to that because they were putting those things on there. I don't know who they is, but they were putting those things on there. So you wouldn't me cuz I don't [laughter] I'm no I'm nobody. I'm just a I'm just a nobody. You're out of order. Don't be blaming Angela. Okay, I'll be [laughter] believe it.

So, the the the current opinion of the city is uh public hearing is required for an ordinance passage. You have to let the public speak at the public hearing. You don't have to let them speak for resolutions. You don't have to let them speak for advertising or for contracts. [clears throat] So, that doesn't Yeah. The idea being when something carries the true force of law, the community gets input. And I just had to apologize a little bit.

I had I know you see all this stuff. It's not like I don't have a big stick like Bob I carried up here to threaten you all with. I just But I do have a small problem. I had eye surgery on Wednesday and when I wear my glasses my uh my eyes my glasses I'm hopeful I'm already kind of screwed up. I can't see as well but I can see that big stick coming. I did bring I can't tell you what I brought. I don't know how I don't know what you take into the black. We can position there. Mayor, be careful. And it's on my side,

but I it's just hard. I can't read this stuff [cough and clears throat] very well. And I'm sorry, but it's just had two weeks ago this one and one week ago this this one, but it was good enough to drive home with this one to stop. Policeman stopped my sister the other day and she said, "Oh." She how fast she going, "Oh, I just passed that truck. I'm so sorry, officer." And then she said, "I didn't I forgot to hit the cruise control back." He go, "How fast was I going?" He goes, "81." Oh my gosh.

He says, "We just came back. My brother and I both were able to schedule cataract surgery on the same day and we were just coming back." He said, "You had cataract surgery and you're driving?" And I said, "Officer, it's fine. I I did my left eye and she did her right eye. We still got 2020 vision." [laughter] And he started laughing and let us off. It was real good. Can you take that space off? There's a space on the on the C. Them A's are not aligning. ABC. Yeah. One space. Thank you. All right. All right. Moving right along. Are there any issues with number two?

It makes the English teacher. Great. I like it. [laughter] I'm I always want help with that. Okay. Um, next we are on page 10, line 11. So, non-action items or proclamations, recommendations, general reports, and updates uh may be presented to the governing body. I think that's that [clears throat and laughter] isn't much of a change. I just put it in the title instead of having it. It tightens up the the sequencing is all any issues? All right. Next. Okay. Okay. So, this is uh then don't worry, we will format it very nicely when it hits the signature. 14 moved it. Now, uh

moved it. No, no, no. Okay. So, this is the the difference that I had told you about a couple minutes ago. So, there's two types of public hearings. The quasi judicial and all of the public hearings. So, we're defining those and we'll see that moving forward. So, if there's this is not actually changing any substantive rule. Are we all okay with the this edition so far? Any questions on that? Any objections to anything on So the consent agenda that green Oh, are we down there yet? It's moving up. Oh, sorry. Yeah, we're on page 10, line 20. Okay. So, I'm not there yet. Line 20. Yep. Line 20. [clears throat] Okay, I see that. That's fine.

Okay. So, no problems. Okay. So with the preceding everything above that number 10 line 20 uh yeah we're good 20 all the way to 25. So are we good saying that there's two types of meetings generally? Is there okay? [laughter] All right. Oh, sorry. I'm going to [clears throat] accept the the script if that's okay with everybody. Mayor, you're the one who has to say it. Yes. Okay. But that the line 27 that consent agenda, where did that go? percentage in the request of where did that green stuff go? That green stuff went Oh, so on line 20 on line

would it be after line 27? Where is where is that going? Oh, the the line 27 stuff was in line seven. Line seven. Okay, it moves up there. Okay, I see it. I see it now. I see where it was going. Great. Sorry. Ask the questions. This is uh uh close. Uh we are now on page 11 line four. Uh this is just an open meetings act reference that again I took out to not have as many references to state law that are meeting. Any questions?

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concerns close session if not needed. I don't so why why wouldn't that be in there? That the the governing body may not take final action during. So why why wouldn't that be in there? Uh it was just a it's a redundancy with the open meetings act which again should I like [clears throat] the open meetings act as a standalone document that sits superior to our rules. I told I took it was left I told so it's a redundancy but on what page is this on? Oh I'm sorry that is page 11 line four.

Yeah but where was it prior to that? He said he said it's in the open meetings act which is not a part of our or these orders. We don't yes the open meetings act as a state law and we want to be careful about defining things in that uh that contrary to state law because that then never removes the question of open meetings if you give somebody reason to go after you if it's different from the state law. And no. All right. Um, any any concerns or objections? [clears throat]

Okay, moving along. Uh, this is something that you guys have plenary discretion over. Uh, page 11, line nine, public participation. So, uh, right now we provide for public participation of non-aggenda items. Uh, it's it's 30 minutes. It doesn't actually limit any individual in here. by custom. We've made it three minutes per person. Um, so I just wanted to see what your guys feel of this is. Do you like it where it's at? Do you want to right now? What's the last thing? Uh, do you want to keep it at 30 minutes? Would you like to add a a 3minut rule, which we have been doing anyway for individuals, but we really haven't as much.

Yeah, we haven't as much. Yeah, cuz usually it's not that many people. So I don't we can say it but I don't think it should be a rule when somebody makes a house

you know there there have been emphasis that uh the 3 minutes have have been uh expired but counselors want additional information and I've seen that some counselors have asked for the for and instead of them addressing the the issue, they they give the time to the person at the podium to continue giving their comments or whatever. [snorts] And and I don't know if that's something that has to be in writing or something that we can just agree on or or disagree on, I guess.

Um so, Mr. Mayor counselor. Uh what didn't appear in this was because it was after the original uh thick uh public went out is the council or the mayor prom ameritus did ask that we add a particular uh part at the end of the meeting for counselor comment. So if the counselor wants to bring up anything that's been bothering them or that they think is great, they would [clears throat] be able to say something before the adjournment of the meeting. Uh typically it's best to during public comment you let the public speak. There's that 30-minute block for all of them. And if the council wants to address anything they heard, they do it during this period. I

I I tend to try if someone takes the time to come and see a lot of times where [clears throat] public participation is placed, you know, it can end up being after consent items and everything else. And I I try to give time the public a time to talk about them. If they have an item that they're upset on on the consent agenda and we don't allow them to speak, they never did get a chance to speak on the item that they came and sat for 5 hours to talk about because we' already decided it. So [clears throat] that's one issue that that I have with that. I I if you want to talk I try to I just try to keep the meeting going as as quick as possible because these we used to have our 5-hour meetings a lot haven't been so bad. So I try to [laughter] I'm sorry if you got a complaint I'll try to I agree with you. I agree with him on should have the right

if it's whatever involves anything I I agree you should have the right just you know do any of you all want three minutes too well no no that's not what I'm saying is is that when when the the item is brought up by a a person whether it's an agenda item or or non-aggenda item and the counselor wants additional information.

Yeah. But the person is cut off at the 3 minutes and so he he or she doesn't has the ability to continue with his thoughts for comments but the but I as a counselor would take the ask for the floor and [clears throat] and give them and ask the individual to continue with his comments to to find out exactly what is it that that he is commenting on or what it's uh requesting. Wouldn't that fall into the council on comments then? Uh no because at the time

at the time that is that the person is is addressing the council you know by that time by the time the the counselor comments come along that person may be gone. Yeah. So council the way I read it it says cumulative time limit of 30 minutes allotted for the public participation. In other words, 30 minutes for the whole the whole thing. And so and then we've allowed three minutes. It's 10 people, you know, as our internal policy, I would I would guess. But 30 minutes is for everybody total. Total. Yeah. Which would be 10 10. It could be. Yeah. It could be 10 persons, but we want to limit it to the cumulative 30 minutes for all 10. So 10 people.

So Mr. Mayor what what councelor is referring to here is the last line time may be extended at the sole discretion of the mayor mayor prot mayor's absence. Sure. So the question I think the counselor has is what if a counselor says I actually want to hear this guy more and the mayor doesn't right. Um so that you tell me what you want it to look like because we've given them we've given them the time. I need that. Yeah because the alternate wording would be time may be extended uh at the request of a member of the governing body. Right. Thank you, Councilman Tam.

So, thank you, Mr. Mayor. So, I'll just use an example of meetings that I've been in in the last few years. The meeting that we had that uh Chuck Dwire and his wife got up and was talking about all the homeless and all the stuff that we have going on over here. And so, it turned into a debate discussion, one thing that I know went more than 30 minutes, but that was just one person that that that did that. And so I mean I I don't want the county and the city to be the same or whatever, but when we hold our meetings at the county level, we do set this up where everybody has three minutes. And typically if it's an issue that we allow those three minutes to go longer because it's an important issue. I mean, usually Rita will talk for five minutes when she's got there,

but but we try and keep some type of a she's buying plants for the downtown

consistency on on some of these issues because we could we could be there for an hour if we didn't have a window. And if you didn't have a window for how long that person could talk and usually as as the county commissioners were, we would let whoever have their say on what they wanted to talk to us in public comments and then we would address it afterwards instead of creating [clears throat] a a big debate with with four or five or six counselors on whatever those issues were. But we we're taking notes and so we're addressing the the situation as it may be with with the Dwires in the in the example that I'm that I'm giving right now. So I mean I it's it's a catch 22 type of a deal. Uh and [clears throat] so talk about it afterwards. The Dwires I mean we had them talk with Chief Bman and and and others on how to try and solve that problem. But

it's an issue that we have to deal with and so sometimes you can't deal with it in that public comment time frame. You have to go ahead and go outside the box to deal with it. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. One quick question. I don't think the 3 minutes should be there. I think we follow it so to think but so if somebody needs it more than 3 minutes and you the Americ would say go ahead you know even though your 3 minutes is up you can go ahead since you have you know since you have that power you know you don't get to talk too much u um so I don't think the 3 minutes should be in there but I understand that 30 minutes and then you got I think a typo right here that pro turn oh yeah there we go

what's a pro turn it's not a prom There's one concern. Got a typo there. We'll turn. [laughter] There we go. But back to your point, counselor or first one of you that says that should be a D. I'm going to have balls for this meeting. You're right. The former the former mayor was a total be official when it came to that. Oh, your three minutes is up and go sit down. Your three minutes up. But he don't he doesn't this one doesn't do that. No, I This one doesn't. That's for sure. But I sat in meetings and I [clears throat] it was a rude stopping of someone trying to really

uh get a point across. And so we're we're not like that and I don't want to be like that. So I I appreciate what you're talking about. Mayor, I think it's fine the way it is. I say leave the three minutes out because the last line covers it all. You want to increase the time. The mayor has that ability. Right. [clears throat] Yeah, we like whatever you added. He's a presiding officer. Yes, I think we're good. We could correct the spelling with the M. Should we just put presiding officer? That's why we change it to presiding officer as corrected with the M.

He going to take that whole sentence out. He's going to take the whole sentence out. They just called presiding offic. Yeah. Presiding officer. Yeah. Mr. Mayor [clears throat] question. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, give me an explanation here. When it says, however, the governing body cannot discuss items presented under public participation on non agenda items. What do you what does that what's your interpretation? What that means? That means I can't talk to the person or what does that mean? So, that's actually so it's kind of complicated. That that is one of the few OMA issues that I left in here. So if it's not posted on the agenda, the 10 of the 11 of you should not be discussing policy and formulating it without it being noticed.

Thank you. So what they're say is somebody brings up a non-aggenda item and says, "Hey, we really need a basketball court here." And the 10 of you go, "That's a great idea. Get it done, city manager. We've now violated the open meetings act." Yeah, we can recommend it gets on the committee. We'll talk about it. We just can't take action. Actually, you're not even supposed to formulate public policy without it being noticed. So, we could just add it to ask it to be added to a committee meeting. Yeah. So, what what you would do is during council comment say, "Hey, I I agree with this statement. You know, Mr. Manager, Mr. Mayor, or members of the council, let's get this as an agenda item moving forward."

If that's that's the I I you see what it's kind of strange to me. There's a lot strange about the Open Means Act, especially if it doesn't apply the legislature. [laughter] But we're looking down here. But if you [clears throat] if you take off at the discretion of the second officer, that doesn't allow for a council member to say, I want to like like what we normally said that we that allows us to say, "Okay, when I take my time, I'll give him my three minutes and let him talk, finish his conversation." We can't. So that by taking off that then we don't have the option. We don't have that authority. It all presides with the mayor. So So what I sorry to answer. So what that's referring to is extending the 30 minutes not towards how

not in the in the middle of 30 minutes. Okay. All right. Right. Because we're putting no restriction on people seems to be the But I would agree with that though. There needs to be some organization of the meeting. There needs to be someone in charge in So yeah, I'm good with I'm good with [clears throat] I'm good with that. I'm good. What if somebody comes up and just starts spewing? Yeah, that's happened. Three minutes and it happens then nothing to do with anything. Then you'd be more restrictive on the three minutes on that at that point. Well, but that's not but that's not printed. That's just operational. We we have not agreed under organizational meaning that we're limiting that. So the the correct I mean that's just been an interpretation and could be challenged if

the previous administration or anyone limited me to 3 minutes. Wait a minute. Yeah. So you can't do that. That would be the discretion of the mayor then. Well, yes and no. So uh Mr. Mayor, counselors, the way So when it's not written, it defaults to Robert's rules. So what would happen is if the mayor cuts somebody off says this is not germanine this is not helpful under the rules any counselor if they want to hear more can say point of personal privilege I want to hear more there' be a second a vote and if if the majority of the body wants to hear it they keep going so you can always overrule the mayor on what you call a point of personal privilege point yeah personal privilege or point of order that kind of interchange point of order that's a great question

I I just it's a difficult situation to be in. You want people to be able to speak their voice and be transparent, but the other time you don't want somebody up there just going on and on and on and the presiding officer should be able to shut that off. Good. He he does as a matter of the as a matter of rules of Robert's rules, he can shut it off. Okay. Yeah. So, and let me and I didn't make this clear. I think uh Robert's rules is everything. They are the whole if you weren't to pass this we just say Robert's rules. These these rules are amending Robert's rules. Yeah. [laughter] Everything else is Robert's rules unless you say otherwise.

Okay. Is everybody okay now? Hey, Mr. Bur, we we uh Nobody was talking about you for too long behind your back when you weren't in here. Just appreciate that. But we did set some rules there. Thank you, ma'am. We need no further objection. Okay, we'll go to page five uh section. So we're page 11, line 22. This deletion is uh this these statements already in there. So uh you'll see Robert's rules notwithstanding the above. So if everybody's okay, I'm just going to get it's already stated elsewhere.

All right. Uh so uh this is just a cleanup. Members of the governing body unable to Oh, sorry. Um page 11, line 30. Members of the governing body unable to attend the meeting shall endeavor to notify the clerk. I don't know what that means. So I just subbed in the legal traditional legal language which is make all reasonable efforts. So if you know you're not going to be there, let us know just so we can have things set up for you. And if and but if you know if you can't that's okay. Um now the one thing that's highlighted and this has postco sort of become an issue. Uh, the council doesn't have to allow telephonic or video appearance. Do you guys want to or not?

I think it needs to be I liked it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, we're good with that. So, I just want to remind everyone the this is another example where I put the open meetings at standard and highlighted because that is the floor. If you don't meet that standard, you can't be at the meeting. So the core what I do want to remind uh is that you have to be identified and we have to hear each other. I guess what so that's the core if if there's not communication effectively instantaneous communication. You can't appear telephonically. That's the [clears throat]

So if if there's a bunch of static or breakup or the connection's bad, the open meetings act says that's not a true attendance anymore. And you have and I know it's going to Jason Perry would say it's an ADA issue, but it have you have to be able to hear and see hear each other is the way the law is written here and not see. Yeah, not see telephonic is fine, but if a if you're at a construction site and we can't make out what you're saying, that would not be okay. for example. So the the counselor calling in has the responsibility to make sure making sure he's in a place where he can be heard. Correct. Period. So this underline the next step that is is coming out. Uh no other everything staying the same except for line 31.

Okay. All right. Is there any objection? No. Okay. No objection. Moving on. Okay. Uh, page 12, line 15. Uh, I just took out council because it's governing body, not council. So, we're just going to call it deliberations. I hope that stylistic change is all right. [clears throat] Yes, that's fine. All right. Uh, then we uh this is just an addition uh motions may be made by excluding the mayor and manager. This is just consistent with the managers on the governing body, but he only talks to give an opinion. He is not participating in the same way. Um, So, I hope there's no

unless you really want the manager to be making motions. I would discourage that. Fewer people making motions, the better. No offense governing body. Okay, continuing on. Hey, we got through a page real fast. We're now on page 13. Uh, line 18. Uh so it's it's I think we can just call it a meeting instead of governor bod meeting by law was just a little clean up there say reminding everyone that the OMA applies. Uh councelor you have a highlighted kind of a light Oh yes I'm sorry

on item 10. You know you and I had some discussion but I just want clarification what that really means. Uh, a motion to amend amendment shall be in order, but one to amend an amendment to an amendment shall not be in order. Whoa. [laughter] Okay. So, the the way this is written is uh councelor, we're going down. Councelora says, I move to amend this to $75. [clears throat] Councelor Arnold says, well, I original thing says 100. Councelora says 75. Councelor Arnold could then say, "Hey, let's meet in the middle and call it 87 and a half." So, she can amend the amendment. At that point, it stops. Gotcha. Okay. So,

that's what that's saying. That's what it's saying. Okay. Yeah. [clears throat] You can't say no. Let's go. Let's go 8650. No, we're done. We go on that or we don't go at all. You know, [clears throat] just a little bit on page 12. Yeah. when it says motions may be made by any member in the governing body excluding the mayor and so they I can't make a motion but does that also mean that I can't second a motion so that does so it means it takes full six of you what do we ever get to a tie that way the 55 does that not 55 motion so the

I mean I I can say but if the council's [clears throat] evenly divided I don't get a right to a tie to vote in a tie But that's not what anybody only if somebody seconds it somebody from the other side seconds it to get there's second [laughter] doesn't second have to have a corn have six votes no no no this this is just about moving an item seconded motion so it's a seconded motion is just a del it's a deliberative matter it's not a voting matter [laughter] so it can be made by anybody it would be made by anybody the mayor I say the presiding officer the presiding officer doesn't make motions. All right.

Nor the presiding officer doesn't particip participate in motions. This is a promiding office the the the Robert's rule is that the presiding officer so when when the prom is there they shouldn't be making motions or second. That's a good point. Shoot. Is it only if the mayor's not there that [clears throat] he doesn't get to because otherwise he's normal otherwise he's just a normal residing officer. Uh so that would be actually that that brings up a good point. So that's Robert's rule says that. So this would change it to say the pro can because she's a member of the council. Only when they're not the presiding.

Only when they're not presiding though. That's what I was saying. Okay. Why not? I mean if because it's part of the council he I mean if he's not the official office the regular person preciding the meeting is as the mayor. So right if you jump in as a as a presiding officer you're still part of the council. Yeah. Because you could end up with a tie then because you'll have an even number at that point. Yeah. So you if you have 10 people the mayor's gone, you're going to have 10 counselors. There's no tiebreaker and if the presiding officer can't do that. Yeah. So I mean we're talking about I think the pro team should Yeah.

Yeah. I think cuz Yeah, they are they're member of the council. Yes. So don't don't leave it. Don't take that away. All right. Um so um everybody's okay with that. Okay. So, we are now on page 13 line 17. Uh, which is 11. Uh, cut city council prohibited by law. That again, those are just kind of cleanup items. There's nothing substantive changing there. Uh, if that's okay. Yeah, great. Uh, instead of yay and nay, it just sounded antiquated. I wrote yes and no. [clears throat] Um, on line 23 of the same page. What if I use nay? Is mine okay? You can use No, you I mean

it won't count no more. It won't count. It won't count no more. Yeah. You say I say I can say I. Yeah. Okay. E I assume not I. [laughter] All right. Uh any Sorry. So that's just stylistic. U so uh this I just wanted to flag this is going to have to be deleted. So uh state law has changed and that's coming down here from 26 uh and to line from lines 26 to 37. The state has removed the ability of the counselor to abstain without cause.

Counselors have to vote. So if you look at page uh or line 31 and 32, a governing body member shall recuse the members of self from a vote only when a true or perceived conflict exists. In other words, that's the only time you can't vote. It has to be a true conflict or a perceived conflict. Otherwise, counselors are expected to vote on every matter. So I can't vote because I just don't like So if they don't, it's a yes. Well, and so but they they No, they have to. That's what the state is saying. So, hence, what you're what you're telling me is that counselors can't pass on a vote anymore. Pretty much. They can't vote present. Yeah. You can't vote. Voting present is no longer allowed.

But they but do they allow that at the state legislature? Oh, of course. Now, would you have to declare your conflict? Do you have to declare conflict out loud? Is that what you're going to ask? Yeah. Do you have to Or I can just say I have a conflict. You can say you don't have to be explicit about the conflict. You can just say there's a conflict. And he said, "I encourage you if you ever think there's a conflict to to be able to explain it if you need to." Yeah. And so what you're supposed to do now is literally stand up and leave the room. Um so here's why I didn't include that [laughter and cough] in here. [clears throat] I think that's actually a constitutional issue. Yep. And so if you guys were at the at the last finance meeting,

councelor Halverson has a conflict with Main Street because she sits on the board. She owes a fiduciary duty to both organizations. So what she did was declares the conflict and states I'm now speaking as a member of the public and I think that's legally sufficient. Um cuz like I said you can't not be allowed to speak about a public matter just it it would be [laughter] it's antithetical to the person. Should you remove leave the meeting room? Uh let's go to right. So you leave the meeting and then you enter as a member of the public but not actually leave. I mean you leave the meeting you come off the dis. I'm so also you come down. Yeah, come down is what it's saying. Okay.

You remove yourself from the from the governing body for that minute and you're now just a regular. That's what you did that one time. Yeah. Council Harrison has done it perfectly each time. So, but then you can't come back and speak as a member of the public. You you can't three minutes. That's up to you. Yeah, that's up to you. [clears throat and laughter]

But I still kept it under three minutes when I did. So, so I am deleting that to let you know cuz that is no longer legally sufficient. Um, is is everybody then let me I do I'd be remiss. So, this is a really really broad standard. It just says any perceived conflict the state legislaturator's internal council through the their l

legislative council. Well, it came through the LF [clears throat] legislative council comments on the LFR, but the but the the report to the council said this is overly broad. It's undefined. You need to define it. The legislature in its wisdom chose not to define it. So, as it stands now, if there is even a unless it is a truly unreasonable perceived conflict, you probably need to be stepping down. That is that's my advice. So um so you're [clears throat] saying you caution um overcorrect and stuff overreing just saying I got a conflict

right especially in in quasi judicial matters now like that one uh well an example is with Chris Cortez so he he had a former client and he said it was about 4 and 1/2 years ago so I did a little research and legal ethics say that if it's a client for over 5 years ago a judge can now take the case and I said that's a close enough analogy now that might not work because in legal ethics there's a reasonability component written in. So again, if you think whenever in doubt, recuse, recuse or call first and I can give you something in writing to protect yourself from that accusation is what I'd say

because it could constitute malusence in office. This is kind of a funny little quirk in a point, but you know when you if you ask your attorney, I mean that can save him that can save uh Cortez a lot of money because he asked

and so he was defined. So he might not have to be if somebody sues him for that issue uh because he he went by council to do it. It could make our council the one that has to defend him rather than him defend defending himself in a citizens council like this. You know, that's something that you should take advantage of listening to the attorneys. Right. But that's all I'm saying. I'm just saying for your protection and mine

that's something you ask them the question cuz once you ab ask them the question you you can always say I went on advice of my council at the city the city has to defend me and that's why say that's why you have to listen to the Yahoo. So what is the paragraph going to say? So we're we're getting rid of A is staying there. B is that little highlighted one that stops at boat. We [clears throat] don't pay for all your B's different. Okay. B doesn't stop at stop getting six. All right. So the deleted stuff is what's no longer

I [clears throat] see that at the bottom. I saw that. So So now it just reads here. This is the tell that big long paragraph. That big long paragraph is going to stay. Okay. All right. All right. Questions, concerns? It screwed up everything in those schools. We feeling good. Yes, I see this. Okay. All right. Great. We are now at the quasi judicial public hearings. This is page 14, number 13. Um I hope this is not Oh, sorry. We do have um number five. No member.

Yeah, number uh actually line five. No member of the governing body shall publicly question or ask another member of the governing body the reasoning for their vote. So this is kind of a long parliamentary rule [clears throat] to maintain the quorum. I just want to flag it if you guys want to go at each other half the time. [laughter] We're all happy with this. Leave it there. Okay, good. [clears throat]

Okay. Line 13. Public hearings quasy judicial. So uh I hope this is not controversial. State your names for the record. There will be a staff report that presents you with the applicable legal standard. The governing body will then ask staff questions. So I'm not clear sure about the standard. Please tell me more about the basic facts. There will then be a case in chief by the petitioner. So the guy who wants something has to convince you why. Then the respondent will say their case and chief. Then the public may speak. An example of when that would be necessary is a standard zoning case or say an alcohol permit. Then following all comments that there's a rebuttal and closing argument followed by the sir rebuttal and closing argument. This also allows for any new evidence. So say a neighbor shows up and shows pictures of this horrible ecological disaster. They then have a chance to address new evidence presented. It's a due process thing. Um then once everybody is closed, so we're done arguing or the the petitioner and the respondent have finished their arguments, you will then ask the questions necessary to make your determination if any more needed, you will then deliberate the issue. I encourage if the deliberation is necessary, I encourage it in close session. Uh but you can do deliberation uh publicly if you want. Following then following that you reconvene and you take appropriate action. So you're voted. Uh does that sound looney to anybody?

Uh you know on item A 13 partners will state their names for the legal record and provide legible uh names if required in writing or asked for in writing. But you get so many names you can't read who the hell it is and where they're from or anything else. They should do do they have they they don't probably have to be required under the law to be from your city, but they ought to have legal names where you can read them. You got to try to read the damn things when people come in here. And we used to say address and that's not required. That's just that's just for us. We just kind of

we just we've been saying name and address. We've always had it. That's why I didn't know if it was a law or what. But you know, it's only fair if we're talking about public meetings. You ought to know who the hell the public is. They're telling you whether they like something or not and where the hell they're from. So with unless people really dislike that parties will provide their names and addresses and writing for the record. I like that. That's perfect. Quasi judicial hearings. That's it.

Doesn't matter. You can just show up. Well, I I think you ought to put that on the so I can read who where they're from. Everybody else in the room needs to know who's talking and what cuz they don't even know what they're talking about. Where do they go to argue or say you're wrong here, man? And this is why, you know, or you're wrong him. I don't want to get gender specific to another party down here, but you know, I just you got to know know who's for you and who's against you. That's what public comment's about. And then put legible or something. Yeah, if you want it in writing. Say legible writing, not just in writing because it could be in scribble. [laughter]

I called you a Yahoo a minute ago. I'm sorry. [clears throat] Yahoo. I'll trust you to do that. But don't screw it up. Huh? Give it to there. All right. So, uh, if no issues, I can just accept all. Thank you for covering everything. Did that work? Yes. Okay. Okay, we're moving quick now. Uh, page 15.

Page 15. Uh, so the lines 18 through 25, those were applicable to, uh, quasi judicial only. So they're deleted. Uh, oh, sorry. And also on page 14 at the bottom, nonquasi judicial. So we just clarify. Is that okay to accept? Great. Okay. Uh, deleting what's mentioned in the other ones. And then members of the public will be providing comments to in accordance with grade 8. It's already elsewhere in the rules, so you don't need to state it again. We good with this solution? Yes. All right. So from there, uh, deliberations wouldn't lead to new issues that require uh

where you where you at now. [clears throat] Oh, I'm sorry. Page 15, line 35 is through deliberation of majority additional public testimony. Additional public testimony is permitted. Uh so that we can leave that in, but that's if you guys want to hear from the public more, you can always just you can always just move for that. There's no need reason to have a special rule to say it. Okay, six folks. [clears throat] Now, council, you know, your three minutes is just about up. [laughter] Yeah, I'll move faster than we're going to delete. Oh, there is no problems with that through line 15 because we can do it without any paper through line 9 or 232. Is there any objection to any of that?

No. Okay. Seeing none, that's done. Okay. Next. All right. Next. We are now at the bottom of 15. The chair announces the final decision to the government body as applicable. That's actually the clerk. And then uh motion call for recess. You guys just move to recess. You don't need to There's a You just move. I move to recess the meeting and that's fine. You can always do that whenever you're done. Is that in the open meetings act or something? That's just in Robert. Just in Robert. Okay. That's that's a different recess than what we said earlier. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, that one uh you guys we could recess for you can Yeah. Oh, sorry. You could you can take a break to use like right now if it was like who needs the bathroom? Well, like you don't need it in the room.

The council can move it at the presiding officer. Okay. Okay. Now, uh there are no changes to the election of the prom. We've been doing it this way for five or six years now. Are we all are we all happy with how that goes? Okay. So, we'll continue on. I just wanted to flag on 17 line six. Uh again, if you don't want to be respectful to each other as a matter of rule, now is the time to change [clears throat] it. [laughter] You can go respectful is I mean maybe ambiguous for some people.

Yeah. Well, we've got we've got a lot of we got a lot of things to compete [laughter] with online. There's Netflix. There's HBO Max. So, if we want the public to watch, we might need to raise our game in terms of discourtesy to each other. [laughter] Not in favor. Okay. Not in favor. Respectful. In that case, we're going to page 19. You're sad you had to put that in there. Sad. Well, before [clears throat] I know it's important, but it said you have to do the [laughter] for grown adults that you have to put that in there. So, uh, for page 194, I will take care of anybody who gets Oh, I'm sorry. I missed something. In the core,

a member of a government body cannot represent the third party before border commission. Where's this at? 31. Yeah, this is page uh 19. Yeah, page uh 19 or page 179. Page 17. Why are we going back? Oh, I'm sorry. We That's it. Page 19. That I'm That should not be there. That is That is a No, no, that's a rule that we definitely are keeping. It was mistakenly believed being transferred. So, here act two. 19. Page 19. I'll take care of this place.

I got a bigger hammer coming. I'm going to take care of this place. So, I'm doing it left-handed. 19and the mayor or two members of the governing body, regardless of which committees they serve on or the city manager, may place an item on agenda for discussion by committee. Uh, I don't know that there's any reason why you want it to be two. It seems reasonable that one counselor can have something put on for discussion or vote. Well, this here says it's two. Yeah, it says two here. What I'm saying for this is something that's a discussion you and I had. Yeah, we had that. But whatever this Yeah. So, the default rule here is two. I think one

I think [clears throat] one anybody should be free to bring up anything without having to have somebody else, you know. I agree. So there we go. At the committee level, the mayor or a member of the governing body, regardless of which committees they serve on, or the city manager, let's say state law, may place an agenda item for discussion, discussions or decision by the committee. Nice. Thank you. That work? Yep. Okay. So, let me get this. Could you repeat? We're taking out or two and just call member. Yep. So where are you? So we don't need to write one. We can just put any

member of the governing body regardless of which committee they serve on or the city manager may place an item on agenda for discussion or decision. Yep. Okay. And then request for a placement of agenda item shall be made in writing to the respective committee chair and staff leaison. So yeah just that's again just let us know in writing what you want so we don't mess it up. Uh they'll be placed on the next available agenda with the 8-day rule that we've already discussed. Items shall be for discussion only. I think I don't know why that's the rule. Like if you guys want to move something, you're the council move something. We're literally elected to make decisions. So

items show your discussion. So if you're okay with that, I will delete this last part. Items for discussion. You happy? Yes. Okay. Moving forward. We are now at the bottom of page 19. Referrals. Generally, in order for a proposed action to go into go before the full governing body, the action must be passed by the two most applicable committees. This is just a restatement of what's already in our ordinance uh and passed by either the legal or finance committee on any financial legal consideration. However, if not to the committees to notice the clerk, five counselors may place an item for government. So, there we go. That's the uh

and [clears throat] now passed can be just referred. I mean if they if the committee decides to hear it is if it's been assigned to two committees they have to do a passing motion or do they have to be

So what we're saying here is the way you think about each committee has original jurisdiction to hear something but when there's concurrent jurisdiction at least two get a bite of the apple. So, and that doesn't mean you don't have to send it to other committees first. It's just we always want to when practicable like the reason we put the word generally there is to say that this is what's preferred but not always required. So, but a good example is if we want to have a a teen program uh that the police do that has no money attached to it and really isn't and doesn't create a contract, public safety and then straight to the council. If we want to form anouou about a team program with the schools, public safety, legal, then the council. If we want to give the schools accept school money for this, public safety and then legal or finance. Uh I would typically say that if it's getting money, just legal, and if it's spending money, definitely finance because you you'll always get a legal opinion with anou. So that that's sort of how I see it conceptualize it working. But if one committee if you send it from legal to finance and they say no then

then then is that no it is not dead. It what would happen is five counselors or the mayor could put it on. That said do so at your own risk because if two committees killed it it's probably not going anywhere. Council but you're saying if one committee kills it then the Yeah. If one committee kills it then the mayor or five counselors have to put it on. Okay. But but [clears throat] yeah, but then the that also means that if the if the city finance says no, then all you have to do is shop for

Yeah. So let's uh take an example. it infrastructure says, you know what, we really need a 19th hole at the golf course and it is, you know, a three a unanimous vote and different counselors and it goes to finance to pay for it. And fin goes, what are you talking about? Absolutely not. And it fails on a 3-2. It can still go to council. The five counselors who voted at at infrastructure have to send a written request to the clerk. And and that's going to sound weird, but again, this is just state law says that half the the coun the mayor or the council can always place an agenda item. So this is the floor we have to give.

Okay. I just want to point out everybody that there's just cuz you know it ain't necessarily dead or just cuz you want to pass. Oh, actually I'm sorry, Mr. Mayor. Let me state law requires six. This says five. So if you want to make it six. Six to put it back on. Yeah. Six. Counselors can always create an agenda item under state. Right. I thought it's five. Five earlier. Yeah, it's five. Yeah, it's [clears throat] five. Keep it at five. I'm trying to remember state law. I haven't I haven't wanted to read.

Okay. So, we're all everybody's okay up to with everything through 919 is correct. Okay. on page 19. Okay, we're almost there. Uh, Open Meetings Act. Uh, oh, I'm sorry. Uh, page n page 20, line four.

Page 20, line 26. Next, line. Oh, that's sorry, that's just a typo, so it's already been accepted. Um so uh page 20 line 26 uh like is uh OMA is a separate body of law we just want to keep it a separate body of law if that's okay with any issues with that

the u is there any requirement u or in their discussions is on open meetings Those documents can be extremely difficult to get and even whether if even staff or anybody else is there any requirements that you can say we'll come in and look at them uh or using documents if you have to copy them all the time that requires a huge amount of time and money to copy those and I don't know if there's any limits on what you have to I mean, you can call on the phone now and say, "I want these documents."

Oh. Oh, you mean? Yeah. So, that's a separate body of laws, which the legislature desperately needs to work at London. I mean you you know they can they cost us thousands of dollars in pro providing stuff and somebody looking it up and uh I mean it's fine but I mean it just is very time consuming when you look at staff and when we have we don't have an open budget like the state so we have uh we don't have new money coming in that could be somebody's salary you're taking away or you know lights or something council Elder.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. So, it reads that council members may request information or research from staff on a given topic outside of such topics being currently discussed. So, that's just opens it up. Yeah. Yeah. So, what what we're saying here if it's currently being discussed, you hopefully we've given the information already, right? But if there's something that's not being discussed, you can still request information. The idea is uh and the re really here's we don't team leaders is a term that hasn't been used in half a decade now. And so the thought here is let the manager know whatever it is you need CC whoever it is would have it and that way because you're asking staff and the manager is the one who's got to make sure the staff does it

or or we may be asking appointed officers. We shouldn't have to go to the city manager if we're talking to if we're talking to [clears throat] appointed whoever I'm talking to you as counselor or or talking to the city clerk. I don't need to go to the city manager. There we go. Or officers. That's a good point. Appointed officers, I guess. That's all the officer. Well, say corporate, not the Yeah, you could. Yeah, that clarify. [clears throat] So, it doesn't sound like cops. Yeah. Y just officer. Yeah. I didn't know you were afraid. That's right. So [laughter]

has on these because I know this has happened to Daryl and myself. We've requested things of officers and we've been told to do an IRA request. Wait, who? Yeah. Oh, police. Mhm. Yeah. So So what you

right? So, so what should happen is the you would and and here's why I say sorry actually it it should be the manager should usually be be included because he actually is the one who can establish discipline for any staff member. The police chief only has discipline under his officers. So what should have h at least if I were the let's use my office if you ask Miss Vicki for a contract that we keep and she doesn't send it to you she will be having words with me I would not make her and so that's that's between you and the particular appointee but that I think that's inappropriate counselors having to breast

I mean yeah no you guys get I remember that happened with you should get information here in time I've You told the IRA the stuff I want. I don't know if it's happened to you. I know it's happened to you. Well, takes it out. I just go straight to them all and I I use the terminology, but I don't know if it was formally an request. Yeah. Right. Am I correct? Yeah. And I I think that the only distinction use that terminology when the counselor is not acting in their capacity as a counselor. Well, that makes sense. But these So by way if um you had a slip and fall and you ask for the video because you're gonna because you guys don't get workers comp and you want to do a tour against the city, then it would be a

that's Yeah. Like I'm going to be No, dude. But if it's for our part of our duties as a city councelor, then it's uh then it's Yeah. You should never [clears throat] I mean Yeah. That's you have and here's you have access to what's beyond it, bro. There's no [clears throat] there's no corporate document you shouldn't have access to except that unless there's like an investigation initiated by the council and that's part of my responsibility to make sure you get whatever you want. I mean that is part of No, no, no. I was told to press stuff because I have to tell her and she has to respond to me that what she's doing to you because that's how I determine whether or not I want to keep them or not keep them. [clears throat]

Mr. Mayor, I have a question. When we provide documents, when the counselor comes and asks me for documents, do I need to provide them to [clears throat] everybody else or just to the counselor that has requested correct? Yeah, just to the counselor. Just to the requested body would be the others may not care. Okay. So, each counselor has a right to their own beliefs, feelings, and and wishes really unbeknownst to anybody else. Okay. And you have that. But we don't, you know, I don't need to know what anybody answers and you know we No. Anyway, I'll I'll quick

somebody who might have had provided lunch today. We stay here. Well, I think we can finish five minutes if we're all ready. Okay. Well, he has one question. Just one just one question about that we have and it won't take three minutes. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. You only got two minutes. that information that we as counselors receive that our internal touch stuff that's really not something that we should going out and posting on social media or anything like that. Yeah. Preferably if it's not an ed document not like the only thing you guys wouldn't regularly see is HR files and that's because an ordinance you created. But if it's like you're going to be presented with litigation documents or security plans, don't release those. Yeah.

Um but just trying to make that public a litigation doc wouldn't be a security through another city council or somebody at that m not not going to put right but we're requesting public documents right so those should and I see what he's talking about there but if we're if we're requesting public what's available through IRA as well then there's no reason why we can't share that because they can to whomever we wish to share it with they can get it anywhere. Is that what you're opposing?

Well, what what I'm opposing is throwing crap out on social media if it's something that is detrimental to the city of Roswell, which has happened in the past, not not within this realm, but others. And I just I I would just say proceed with caution on how you we don't get [clears throat] to do that. Yeah. So, Mr. there council ch the general rule would be if let's take for example if a city council were to release the governor's security plan on social media my view is that well aside from being criminal she was lucky that that wasn't charged it was malfeasence in office and if the council voted to the city attorney would be duty bound to take her to court and try to remove her

right so it ultimately the 10 of you police each other that what yeah imagine that it's you have be accountable to each other and to yourselves. Um, there's gross malfeasants, you know, there's, you know, but public could do it, too. But that's what I that's why I said proceed with caution on how you disseminate the information that you get. If it's something that's not good for us, then you probably ought to seek counsel on how you uh how you work with that. So, I I I just the city's best. You take more than three minutes, right? Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'll give you long. It would be nice to put his left on.

Put your address on there. Not 425 north.

So, uh, so here's something uh here's something that I think is important, uh, especially in the context of flip recovery. So, there's this thing where that used to exist called the project priorities list. It was created in 2015. It got abandoned sometime after 2017 or 18 as best I can tell. right now there's a procedure for it and we don't have one. Uh my suggestion is that we leave this as is and hopefully in the future management will bring an agenda item with a suggested list and the counselors will then proceed to vote on the new project priority list and that is where the council and that's how the management will know where to move.

That's not the sticky note thing. No, I'm [clears throat] sorry. This is just ICIP is the capital improvements that we're asking the legislature to fund. The project priority list uh by way of example is make sure all the smart meters are working. Get that done first. The next one might be get the convention center fixed, which is not just capital, it's also engineering, it's architecture, and operational. It's operational as well. It's a to-do list. Yes, it is the to-do list of what you want when you want it. Um, and that's something that the city hasn't done since the middle of Joe's tenure here. I like that.

So, I think it's a good idea. Um, because ultimately the officers of the corporation, we move the way you want. So, once you tell us that something's the six of you say we're suing this person, so long as it's not a illegal lawsuit or one of the cops of my license, I'm suing them. And that's just how you do it. Same thing. the manager just needs to do what you guys order him to do when you speak as governing the body. So that's that's why I think let's not edit it. Hopefully you're in due time or double time brought a priority list that you so we can recreate it and use it. Is that acceptable to everyone here? Mhm. Yay.

And if you don't and and we can see how it works with this because we haven't done it and then you guys can always, you know, in in developing that. I don't want to hamstring um managers on where they're working, but I think it it would be nice if we had a report of what they fixed during the last week or what they intend to work on just so when somebody tells us what's the building out on what on South Sunset, what's that new building? what or what's going up. We know what it is.

Uh you know, somebody has approved some stuff now. It's just like not knowing that all those one the Amazon's on property that belongs to the city, but all those we had no notice of any of the uh electric things going those little uh sun solar panels going up and uh it would have been nice to known had we known because that's in the county. So it would have been nice to have known that. So at least our own people could have planned to drive around them or build a road because you know Union is our the largest and the widest street we have only and the only seat that goes all the way through town pretty much without a curb and it's the widest one we can have other than sunset. Sunset goes to second period and then it's all screwed up. It' be nice to know that. So that kind of stuff if you could tell us it'd be good what you're doing. All right. Um, [laughter] [clears throat] this is the last the last of it. If you go to page 22 and uh right at the bottom of 21, we have two deletions because they are already covered. [clears throat]

Uh, can I get rid of those? Yes. And then comment comments [clears throat] and then um subject agreement with the rest of them. So, I'm going to accept that if everyone's okay with it. we uh on line 23 of page 22. So now we're at uh and an hour and 56 minutes. So I like under two hours. I'm pretty happy about that. Well, with that said, [clears throat] uh number 23 on page 22, the city attorney following with this. Yeah, assist the government. Okay.

Yes. And and I I had a question about this the other day and so I do want to clarify at least how I've operated and how I think the parliamentarian needs to operate. If you guys aren't doing something according to these rules, the the attorney is not the police. You police yourselves. So if somebody's unhappy, [snorts] point of order. Did we do this correctly? Council, and I will tell you. But if all 10 of you are just like, you know what, let's just get this done and get out of here. It that's that's how the parliamentarian works. So unless you want the lawyer to speak up and actively correct you,

that you need to put here because the the lawyer at least by ordinance and state law. So that's not basically saying you're you shall as well. I as a resource and adviser. I'm I'm not that's the So if you have a question so I would just like to say is sometimes you just don't know what you don't know and especially in that one. I mean, I agree with placing self, but it I may not know and um and that's that's why having someone who could advise at free will makes a lot of sense to me instead of just hoping that we catch or [clears throat] know what we're doing or just let us go and do something [laughter] wrong.

We might not care what we're doing. Mr. Mayor, see counselor's finished there. I'd like the floor. Yes. So, that that would be my suggested correct. Well, I've got some problems with that because we've all taken the oath of office to follow the ordinances [clears throat] of the city of Roswell. Mhm.

And we don't know what we don't know. And I would surmise that individually we're not aware of all the ordinances. And I said, who's the gatekeeper? Let me finish to make sure that we as elected members along with all appointed officers are following the ordinances. Is [clears throat] it the council the gatekeeper? Is it the mayor? Is it the city manager? Is it the city clerk? Is it the city attorney? If we're not going to follow these, then where's the transparency of our local government?

It doesn't exist. Do we pick and choose which we want to follow and not follow? I'll just give you some examples of ordinances and these are not major but they're in our ordinances that we have a Roswell Museum Art Center board and it says that they're supposed to make a report annual report to the governing body on the 13th of June of each year for four years. I've never heard that. So again, are we picking and choosing? We're not operating in our own rules. We're violation. You all took the oath, but guess what? you're violating the oath. Well, we do get that report.

And we should not be violating [clears throat] the oath. The other one is the cemetery board. Same thing. It's in chapter two. I'm not making this stuff up. They should they should render a report to the governing body in August. Now, I'll make [clears throat] another one. And I'm not picking on anybody individually. It's just following the rules that we have we've sworn to. There shall be a deputy clerk who shall exercise the powers. The deputy clerk shall be recommended by the city clerk through the mayor's nomination for approval by the governing body. Was that done? No, but that's I just answer my question. I don't want was it done? There has not been a nomination since Dela left.

Since when? Since Dela left. But someone's acting as a deputy clerk. Yeah. book entitled that she is not the deputy clerk by ordinance. I just want to make sure we're following. That's all I want clarification on. So we should I just want to make sure that we're that you're that you're sw following the oath that you took. I don't want ifs or ands. Are we following them?

That's what I want to know. And so I'm just got one a few more things that I've noticed like when we received the agreement for professional services. It states in there that the governing body shall meet in a public meeting with the appointed employee annually but no later than June of each year for the purpose of evaluating the person's job performance. I saw that too. Done it. Right.

Who's the ruleer? Who was the one who should point these out? Are we going to continue to operate like this and not be transparent to the people that elected us to our offices? I have some real issues that we're not following what we said we were going to follow. [snorts] And again, we don't know what we don't know. And [clears throat] I'm just as guilty as anyone else for not following all the ordinances. And how are we going as a body we got our rules here? How as a body are we going to ensure to the citizens of this community that we're going to follow the rules? How are we going to do it? I don't have the answer, but this body should come up with an answer. So I think it's a shame the way we've been operating and that shame should go all over the board, not just one person. that we owe it to this community to operate how we're said we're going to operate and we have not done it. So I have I've said my peace but I will not I will tell you right now Mr. Mayor that I will not operate like this any further and you need to me as the mayor as the providing officer someone you need to appoint or make sure that this does not happen in the future. home monitor.

Is that something? Because we need to be transparent. Do we add anything to this community and we're not. So, I've said my piece. Thank you. Right. Councelor Harold, did you want to

I just wanted to say I I think it might be um beneficial to have like a a non said or said designated hall monitor, you know, I mean someone to kind of because I don't disagree. uh Councilman Held and Brand I mean I I wouldn't say a lot of it I don't really feel ashamed because I don't feel like I had an intent to be that way and some but we could definitely do better and u and it and I think that having someone designated to keep an eye on procedure would be beneficial. That's why I call it a hall monitor, keep us in check. But anyway, that I support what you're saying, sir.

Thank you. I think we could be better. Thank you, sir. Selene, is that something we can add to this these rule of order? Yeah. So, so well, here's the the what I was referring to is procedurally under the rules of order. I think what the counselor is referring to is a couple of distinct things, and I can speak to each one uh from a legal perspective, but as far as procedure goes, [clears throat] and this is why I brought it up. If if you want the lawyer to tell you when you're doing it wrong every single time to the best of his knowledge, The attorney shall also notice the governing body when the procedural sufficiency and then we have at each instance. But not only that, we need we need to know when something's coming up like the reviews that he's talking about stuff.

Yeah. Not just what we're doing wrong, but this is coming up. You guys need to set up a meeting to do this.

So the the answer for there's so when it comes to the I think each one is to stick. So when it comes to these boards, the boards are volunteer boards and if they choose not to do it, there's no mechanism by which we can make them do it. That said, the it is the manager's job to make sure the boards understand [clears throat] their obligations and if they don't do it to report as much to the council to the mayor. Now, uh, when it comes to appointments, the city ordinance does say the mayor shall, but there is a portion of state law that says that it's not, uh, uh, malfeasants in office to not appoint. It's a discretionary decision of the mayor in that regard. Um, as far as the uh the regular assessments of the officers, uh, the officers are employed jointly by the mayor and the council that, but the city manager, except for his own contract, should be administering that for you. The city manager doesn't have control of the officers, but he's there to, but he does have contractual oversight as the primary function.

Indeed. So, I I [clears throat] advise on the interpretation of the contract. He executes.

I actually like your last at each sentence, but u you see and I just tell you because we are in a latigious society in this state and you I have to know you have to know and if we ever violate any state law, rule or or federal law. So I think at least we have or I think having our attorney have that ability to advise us to his knowledge that makes us all protects us all all because we were advising we're acting on advice of the attorney. That could be a double-edged sword if he if you do something he doesn't want. But if you do that and and I think we're working together on this thing, if you if you do that, we all keep our nose clean. The city's going to have to back us up. And I think uh so I think that at if we're doing something wrong, I want to know about it. I don't want to I don't want to have a problem with anybody about doing something wrong. And I think I think y'all we're all in the same boat. But okay. Okay. And then I don't know which one was first, but u

I'll take last. We'll take Well, just my question was real quick. So, you're telling us the city manager's responsibility for letting us know like when these reviews are supposed to come up and stuff. Yeah. I would say except for his own because of the clear conflict, right? And that one that one isn't like the the manager is the first among equals in the scheme, right? He's created by ordinance especially to do that. And so because like he said, we don't know all the ordinances and like she said, we don't know what we don't know. So So yeah, like I I think well I definitely will you probably noticed I will absolutely speak up if it's illegal. Not following the rules of order is not a going to jail or a civil liability question.

And so again to explain my behavior, I've behaved as a parliamentarian because that's what these rules that predated my arrival said. Moving forward, more than happy to do it every time. You're gonna get real sick of me. No, I don't. If I may, I mean, we'll get sick of you until we learn to do it correctly. Right. And I think each and every one of us that were duly elected not to do it, swore an oath that we want to follow this and be as transparent as possible. That's why I'm looking at this one. You know, it doesn't say attorney should assist us. It says shall. That's right. In other words, don't don't cut us any slack.

Hold us, you know, and you're right. Maybe we would get a tired of it. Maybe we give you a stink eye here and there, but guess what? We we're going to appreciate it in the end, as well as all of our constituents. And and seriously, uh sometimes, uh we'll go rogue, real estate in. [snorts] That's what an attorney should do anyway. I I feel I feel it would help us grow as counselors and I think it would help us do a better job. Thank you, mayor. Okay. Anybody else? Okay, the last one. Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Or go ahead or council. He just has to be last. You know, the uh

that's the way the rules will stay. [laughter] I I heard what you uh [clears throat] what councelor Hilderbrand read, but if I'm not mistaken, there used to be a rule and maybe it's not there anymore. Every every committee that was formed, whether it's statutoily or not, the the mayor used to appoint a leazoan leazison to to that committee. And I believe it said that the leazison it was the one that was supposed to come and make the report, but I'm not sure whether it's in there anymore or not. Chapter 2 doesn't say that.

Yeah. If we want to change it, we need to go back. Correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah, chapter 2. These are all out of chapter 2. Some some of the things I read, you know. Um, and I got another one. If you're finished, are you? Sure.

Well, and and and you we put on the water bill, back of the water bill, and I'm not sure we're following all of that. that rates for I mean it's all by municipal code talks about revenue all revenues and services for shall be provided by enterprise including rates fees and charges but below is a percentage of the breakdown of how fees are spent in each enterprise we haven't done that for two years at a lot better than the other

well I'm not talking about the other we're on right now [clears throat] Mr. Mayor, we're not talking about we're not talking about prior administration. We're talking about us taking our oath and what we're supposed to do and what we told the public we were going to do.

And again, that's not being done. Is it because we didn't have a city treasurer for 15 months? I don't know what why these things take place. But again, I go back to we need a rulekeeper, a gatekeeper, as I call them, Mr. Mayor. And that's why I brought this up because I've seen that we have not been operating what again and I feel [clears throat] strongly about it. And if you can't operate in that, if I couldn't operate it, I would resign from this council because I was duly elected and I took the duly took the oath. And when [clears throat] you see something or if you're going to be the gatekeeper, no matter when it happens, it's time out and you've got to stop right now. And I agree with councelor Johnson said in it that we'll learn eventually because counselors come and go and you don't know what you don't know. The only one who has not broken any ordinances council gas cuz he hasn't been here.

I was 3 minutes late. [laughter] So you have not you have not broken any ordinances. But the rest of us have. But you're out of anyway. [clears throat] I would hope that that would take care of what I've been talking about. So, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Okay. Okay. Council G, if we have rules we have to follow, if we're not going to follow, we need to do away with them. Exactly. Correct. And I I just I would I got to tell you

in judging where some of the first time I had on this budget, I I really appreciate this council because I think it's I think your activities have shown that we appreciate our employees and I think the city's working better together than we have in a long time. And it hell we must be. Hell, I had 44% of the vote. Hell, I hell and we're all Republicans. It's a lot better than going by winning by a whole bunch. And it is by winning by one vote or not having a recall by one vote. But that it's not me. It's us. This whole thing is us. And that's why I tell you we, you know, we're going to be judged by our own criticism to each other. So, let's make sure we don't have it. Let's make sure we work together. And I think we're doing a fantastic job. And I think the air races are a perfect thing. But we have a lot of other issues that we have to sit down and pull together to work on. And uh I mean, we're going through this flood stuff and everything else that have difficult time getting stuff done. We should have that right away. I mean, we should already had stuff for FEMA and had the civic center back up and working. We should should have if that, you know, if we truly have a experience in it. So, anyway, thank you. Okay. Is there anything else to come before anybody that would before [snorts] we vote on this? Any further discussion on this will then we did we adopt the change and shall assist by the we adopted that last change and the

everybody on board. Yeah. Now we were all in the same boat. Everybody gets the same thing. It's same the govern body. Mr. Mayor, I move that we adopt resolution 2601 adopting rules of order from 2026 27 governing body uh following NMSA 1978 3-23 as amended. Have a motion to second. Any further discussion? Clerk will call the role please. I would remind you to take the majority of six of your

council Korn. Yes. Councilor Moore. Yes. Councelor Halverson. Yes. [snorts] Councelor Cabin, yes. Councelor Johnson, yes. Councelor Gas, yes. Councelor Oropesa, yes. [laughter] Councelor Hbrred. Hi. Councelor Arnold, yes. Councelor Maru, yes. By unanimous consent, I would ask majority to allow the mayor to vote as well. Make it all. [laughter] Is there any objection? None. The vote will be 11. Procedurally sufficient, Mr. Mayor. [laughter] I'm not sure that just violated the rules we

Yeah, I guess it didn't because they were only adopted by the 11th vote. Oh, this is a chicken and egg issue. [laughter] Thank you for your advice on how to do that, Mr. Attorney. Yes, ma'am. I'm out. I would I would request that [clears throat] after all the language is cleaned up, could it be given to each counselor in their box? We'll print this out for you with resolution and have it hopefully Tuesday and signed for. This is This is Do we need to add sign for maybe so we cuz I can say I didn't get it. We all got it. I can say I didn't get it. I didn't know that law. I didn't know that one. I didn't get the rule. You're not expected to. I didn't get the rules.

Okay. Election of next item two election appro Tim uh holding election. Uh can we govern anybody's the max it is 3-12-3. Okay. You need a motion to have to hold the election. So yeah, I don't know our attorney left. [laughter] Mr. Mayor, I move that we uh consider holding an election for mayor pro 10. Not Tim. Tam [laughter]

NMSA [clears throat] 1978 3123 governing body powers and rules. The governing body municipality having a mayor council former government shall elect one of its members to act as the mayor prom in the absence of the mayor. Second roll call. We have a motion by seconded by now it opens it up first. really hard to write with your other hand. I'll let me write for you. I'm left-handed. [laughter] I can get it right by using my right mind. All right. And I'm sure I'll get it right for you. [laughter]

Okay. So, in the past, I'd like to thank our past proimment things have been going well. We'll have to refer the stationary probably. You never said that to me when I came off. [laughter] Good job. You did a good job. You did a good job. We had we've been very fortunate. But thank you. You know, uh so and if you stay, that's fine. That's your that's your all's decision. Who does what and I I can't even vote in case of a tie because of you all. So did you say that in a derogatory term or

No, no. I just want you all to continue the damn fight. [laughter] You know, I only have one arm. How the hell you want me to fight? I can only get blindly [laughter] over here cuz you can't see [clears throat] it coming. Oh, right. Yeah, you could see it coming. Make sure we're abiding by the rules here, would you? Yeah. Let's pull up the pro tip rules. [laughter] What did you already do? 16. Do you want to go? I don't Does anybody want to go in close session or whatever you want to do? Whatever you all want to do. We now that the rules are Mr. Mr. Mayor, it's there's no close session for the pro tep. No. What? There's no close session for the pro tep. No. No. It's open. Yeah. Just a nomination and a vote is Okay.

We don't have to hold a motion to do it, do we? Okay. I'll make a question. Do our rules. Sorry. Go ahead. Do our rules say how many page how many terms how long the person can leave reproductually? No. So we don't have no rules. So she could be there five times if we wanted. How many times have How many times would Jason Perry the mayor pro? I don't know. I was just a dozen. Just as he left town right after he was one

and he was still proc [laughter] on the agenda to request councelor Johnson to make a request. I'd like to make a nomination. It's fine. You can do whatever you want. I'd like to nominate uh councelor Korn. Thank you. Councelor Korn, are there any other nominations? Any other Well, you don't have dice for lack of a second. Can you self-nominate? Yes, you can. Yes, you can. I'm just teasing. [laughter] There's no second.

Not need a second. You don't need a second. I can't influence you. You make your own decisions. You don't need a second. You don't need a second. I second it if you need a second. Second it by How do you spell your name? It's hard. He said we don't need one. Oh, the mayor. I mean the lawyer man. [clears throat] Speak up. Okay. We have a motion on the floor and second by Councilman. No, I think we have seconded by or pressa. Did you ask if there were any other nominations? I did. Is there any other nomination? Yeah. Okay. You did.

Any other discussion? Anybody want to bring up his past or anything that he's just you? You shouldn't have brought the damn stick. Well, I had used. I didn't tell him about sinking the boat yet. [laughter] I'm going to move for See no other comments. The clerk will call a roll and don't vote. Are you going to vote first? It depends on who she calls for. Oh, okay. We can do it by acclamation. Can we do it by acclamation? He's the only one. Just call. Councelor Korn. Yes. Councelor Moore. Yes. Councelor Halverson.

Well, since I found out today I have to vote. I guess I'll say yes. [laughter] Councelor Cabin, pass. Yes. [laughter] Stop it. Councelor Johnson. Yes. Councelor Gas. Yes. Councilor Odessa. Yes. Councelor Helen. I. Councelor Arnold. Yes. Council. Yes. Congratulations. Cuz my eye count as a yes. Yes. Okay. By a majority, a close majority 10 to zero. You have uh Mr. Mayor, I move for a recess. How long? 10 minutes.

15 minutes. Before we go into this next segment, let's take a minute. We need a second on that. Okay. You want me to start the official timer? 1 minute. 10. She can request whatever she wants. Oh god. There goes lunch. 12:30. Is there any objection to a 10-minute recess? No.

the city manager Tony Gomez and police officer Albert police chief Albert uh Alana and the city manager Tesman and if you want to take them individually yes that's fine or would you want to you accept the nominations and then you go to close session Uh yes. So the nomination that so sorry so you would do a point of order. Point of order and then uh then say may I ask what then you ask the mayor if you can address me. Yeah.

Yes. Mr. Terry, do you adise? So uh first let me say I am not advising on number three in any way, shape or form. Everybody understand that? In complete conflict. I'm out for number for to proceed. uh you the simplest course that's sufficient is to take them each in order uh I would recommend going into close session to discuss all at the same time which is fine if you want or each in order uh and during that time you would discuss pros cons ask questions of the candidates as if it's a job interview and then similarly uh you consult about uh renumeration

we just have the people That's not of the council. So yeah. Uh so the by rule the Mike is the city manager today. So he stays in the room. Everybody else leaves except to the count and I would stay in the room only for one and two. May a matter of clarification. Uh the nomination for police officer Albert Alana is he being considered for the police chief or That's my appointment for the police. Okay. So, be clear. I emailed about that. Under state law, he's actually called the police officer. But under ordinance. Yeah.

His chief, right? Yeah. We we we clarified, but yeah, this is they couldn't put chief and parentheses or anything like that. No, like we just when we were putting it together, what we did was state mandated actions for police officer. Okay. We talked about that last time. Yeah. Sometime we have

Mr. Mayor, I move we're going to close section of search to NSA 1978 10-15-18 [laughter] C to discuss the personnel matters regarding appointments pursuant to NSA 1978 and 15-7 to discuss current privilege pertaining to threatened and pending location in which the city is or may be a participant. A roll call vote request to go into close session. A roll call vote. Second. Is there any objection to a close session?

And of course, where they ask for roll call vote anyway. I mean, sorry, a roll call vote. Council Korn, yes. Councilor Moore, yes. Councelor Halverson, yes. Councelor Cavin, yes. Councilor Johnson, yes. Councelor Gas. Yes. Councelor Oropesa. Yes. Councelor Helenbrand. Hi. Councelor Arnold. Yes. Councelor Mhalt. Yes. Motion passes 10. I'm going to have to ask the small council room is not big enough for us to go in. I'm going to ask everybody who is not allowed if you please would you mind leaving for a second and not leave your phones on or anything?

A second. Are you going? small room. However long it takes. I'm sorry. A lot of these these councilmen are eating things and they have to hurry

for the record meeting in open sified [laughter] discussed in the close session that those testified in the motion to close the meeting and that no action was taken during the closed meeting. Um motion by council porn is there a second by councelor what's your name and [laughter] is there any discussion seeing none clerk is a voice vote okay you need a roll call to get back in a voice all those in favor signify by saying I

opposed have the record show there are no opposing votes yes Yes. Thank you. Are we supposed to say yes [laughter] for that one? Oh no. Okay. Item three. You gave me so much more work in those rules of order. Stop it. [laughter] Oh my goodness. Okay. [clears throat] Item three. I think we're up to five. We got to approve. Yes. Sorry. Mr. Mr. Mayor, if I may interrupt, uh the the procedure would be so you have you've given the nominations. So, um

a member of the council would uh vote to uh would move to accept with the contract as presented or with any amendments to the contract uh for each individual. Now, devising on number three. So, we would have to make like you have to make Yeah. So, so the motion would be uh you know, Mr. Mayor, I move to confirm your [clears throat] choice of Tony Gomez. Uh along with the contract as presented in close session. Mr. Mayor, I move that we move forward with the motion to appoint the city treasurer Tony Gomez as the tre as the contract says. You have a shorter name. It's easier to write, right? Her name is long. Just put your

Okay. H second. Seconded over here. Okay. Get your pro tim paid for. Okay. So, you get paid more to do it. So, don't be robbing these people. All right. I have a motion. Do we have any further discussion on Tony? Tony, would you please would you like to address the city about anything? Mr. Rich, I'm right here.

Is there anything [clears throat] that you would like to say or anything beforehand? Um, no. Thank you very much for the honor to serve as the city treasure. I will do my best to uphold all the policies, resolutions, and ordinances that are passed by the city and enforce the city policy procedures. Is there any further comments comments anybody else needs to make? Uh, thank you Tony for all you've done. You brought a lot of value to the city of Roswell and I know you will continue.

Okay. Any further [clears throat] discussions? Can you lean back a little bit? I can't see counselor Juan. And And he gets upset. [laughter] [clears throat] Oh my. All right. Come on. Yeah. A motion if the clerk could call a role on the motion to by council lady Hson second by council lady for the appointments of Tony Gomez is received

councelor Korn. Yes. Councelor Moore. Yes. Councelor Hersonson. Yes. Councelor Cavin. Yes, ma'am. Councelor Johnson. Yes. Councelor Gas. Yes. Councelor Oropesa. Yes. Councelor Helenbrand. Hi. Councelor Arnold. Yes. Councelor Mara. Yes. Motion passes 10. Would you please motion pass affirming the next? Next we have for the uh a motion. We need a motion to adopt uh Mr. Albert Andana as our police.

I'd like to make a mayor I'd like to make a motion that we accept your recommendation for Albert Ana for the city police officer of following the control. I don't think they had any on here. No, the 3.3. Yeah, 13.3. The 13.3. Yes, that that's so long as you stay on page three on 13 point page three the 13.3 of of leave the incorrect from the 10 and that was the only change to his contract second he's here

Mr. Mayor, he he's out on orders in DC this week. He got delayed by He was supposed to be here and he got delayed. Okay. Well, he might have tried it. He should have tried it. [laughter] Okay. So, we have a motion by That's That's too old. That's [laughter] by by councelor Moore and a second by Oh god, it just doesn't work. Yeah, by council Moore. Same by council Arnold. That's good. I can put ditto mark,

right? All right. Sorry. Question. Any questions? Yes, sir. Just as a matter of clarification, I don't know if we need to put it on the the record or not, but to identify Mr. done yet since you're going to nominate him for a chief. Is that correct? Yes. He's in the laws it's called the police officer. It is called state law. Police officer. He's not identified as a chief only in our purposes. Should we identify him as but his contract did identify him as a chief? Yeah, we're good. Okay.

Sorry. That is a good question because yeah the our chief officer is our chief. If you're in Hagerman or somewhere might only have one police officer that's why they don't have so I guess he would still be the chief and be close but he's a dog get he's a dog. So as as long as the the community understands he is a chief of just an officer vote. Okay. All those any further comments? All those in favor signify by saying I. I do. I have to have roll call. Roll call. Roll call. Roll call. This one has to be a roll call. All of them. All three of them. All three of them.

Just press that call. Okay. for roller co. Yes. Councelor Moore. Yes. Councelor Herson. Yes. Pardon [clears throat] me. Councelor Cabin. Yes. Councelor Johnson. Councelor Gas. Yes. Councelor Oropesa. Yes. Councelor Hildebrand. Hi. Councelor Arnold. Yes. Councelor Maruo. Yes. Motion passes 10 to zero. All right. 10 to zero. Okay. [laughter] Okay. Next we have You're going to make this. Yeah, I can make it.

City manager. I can do it. Go ahead. Will you go ahead? Well, I don't know the statute. I'll get it. Okay. With Mayor, I'd like to make a motion [clears throat] u for Hell Yetnimma to be the new uh city manager. Uh, with the following changes. With the following changes. Got me on start here. Um, page page two. Page two. Where's that? Page three. [clears throat] It's on page three. Counselor.

Yeah. Where's the other one? I'm not sure the other one is I won't find the other one. Did you find it? Oh, yes. On the p bottom of page nine page four. On the last paragraph.

3112 page four. bottom of page for we're going to have to get you a shovel with the automobile allowance at 350 550 or 550 550 550 and the uh salary and with the uh salary effective uh 2026 uh 195,000 Second. All right.

Okay. Any further any discussion? Let's see. Is he Well, would you like to be able to say anything? This is going to sound like the lawyer, but we do have a comp plan that the contract [clears throat] should resemble. is my and so my proposal would be the closest step in grade 111 to that figure moving up and so these are uh they're 2% steps. Yeah, we can ask HR what that would be. That would be that's an unknown number to us, right? No, that's what I said. We can ask HR what

See, that's the number that I'm just We can rewrite the salary schedule, too, if that's what you're saying. I'm just I mean, it's just a number we don't know. You're you're citing this and we don't know what that is. And if you knew that number, why didn't it put in there? Take this and amend it. Yeah, he's always So [laughter] the amount was 195 plus what was it? What was the car? 550 is the car from 3 to 5. 550. Yeah, it went from 3 to 550. With the schedule increases that come with all city employ. I guess what I'm just saying is he didn't want to mess up the salary schedule that's already in place.

Yeah. So what I'm saying you just understand that what'll happen is if I accept we just write a new salary schedule and that would be we'll mark so right now one the the grade 111 has components to it uh they're never tidy so we would just put that into the closest [clears throat] or are you firm on the the exact we don't know what what you're talking about says we don't know you're asking I think what I guess I'll say is you work at the trying to get 177,000 with [laughter] you know what we're talking about. So you need to inform us of what you're talking about.

Yeah. So the short answer is I I'll present it to you next month if if HR has an issue. But we can work with this. Okay. You'll present your Yeah. I'll present the adjustment to you if it's then again we would decide 95 and then he'll present the um the closest number to that at the next month. I guess what I'm saying we approve this pending the new adjusting. Well, that that don't sound right. No, no, no. I'm saying I'm going to ask you for the difference, but I will accept this contract as as presented. Okay. Okay. Thank you. What does that sense that make next month?

Yeah. No, I like I the the reason I'm saying this is because the city council passed a resolution saying this is what the paystep shall be. This is not a resolution that you're right now. [clears throat] Right. So, we need to revisit that resolution. That resolution either. So, what this contract is not complying with that resolution. So, what I can do is present a resolution to you to change it down or to leave it the same.

So, this is the lawyer telling us what we can and can't do. Well, that's that's well it's as somebody who's now accepted the manager assuming you all vote for it. I want to be in compliance [clears throat] with the resolutions as you have presented them in previous iterations. Sorry, that's I'm going to be it. Earlier this meeting it sounded like you guys want hyper I don't hyper technical is the wrong word but very adherent and so this contract just keep us steer get off the tracks get us back this contractor will present a minor oh uh there we are 19568634 right that's the number 1956 change it to 6834

19568684 and no resolution required 56. We'll pay paper rock scissors for it. 686.37. Now there's no clean up in that. Thank you. [laughter] He said 67. What do you know about that? Mayor, a motion with a salary at 1956.34. Second. And there's also a car allowance on there. Yes. And the car allowance is 550. No, then we going back down. No, just kidding. Just kidding. What? by $42. Second by what?

We have we have a motion by Johnson and seconded by counc for the contracted amount on the salary. We want a 550 car. Is there any further discussion? All right. If the clerk would would you call the role this time? [laughter] You do your job, girl. I'm going to ask you. Should I recuse myself because of our friendship? I mean, if [laughter] after negotiation, you consider our friendship, then pro. No. You think you think we still got a friend? Hey, I thought we were friends, too. [clears throat] I got this plug. I approved the alt and in spite of who?

That's true. I signed Did you sign for me? So did we. You guys are fant. I mean, we need some of that. Thank you. Okay. Council. Yes. [clears throat] Councelor Moore. Yes. Councelor Albertson. Yes. Councelor Cavin. Yes, ma'am. Councelor Johnson. Oh, heck yes. Councelor Gas. Yes. Councelor Oropesa. Yes. Councelor Heldenbrand. Hi. Councelor Arnold. Yes, council me. Yes. Motion passes 10 to zero.

Can't pass cuz he said his name was Hessle. So that that can be okay. He said Ha. Welcome. Welcome aboard. Oh, and I apologize if I pronounce that. His name is Uh I'll be up there in case Chad decides not to call him sick. He still technically has two weeks. I don't want to park. He said, "I got his park in place." Y [laughter] and he's got a stick. Yeah. And he's got a stick [laughter] to move on.

Moving on. Okay. Item five. You guys sure talk about the end of the meeting. a motion we approve the agenda for January 16th, 2026 at the regular city council meeting. So we don't so we don't have to end that meeting. We just go directly into the second we got a motion. Let's get going. We have a motion to to approve the agenda for the regular council meeting. motion by Kurt and a second by uh shadow. Yeah, my shadow.

Okay. All right. Any further discussion? I do have a couple of changes if you'll note on item number one. I think they're on that paper. It should be Are they on that paper? Oh, okay. [laughter]

We just have some typos. Um for the item number one, the organizational meeting, it should be the shall state 2026 2027. And then on page 173, um item number 17 under the financial impact, the section needs to be revised. Um the language it needs to read public safety fund instead of the fund. Okay. What page again? Page one. agenda. Yeah. Page 173.

Item number 17.

Item. What is the one more time? I just got there. Yeah, I just got there. What was the change? uh on page page 173 under financial consideration the last sentence it says uh from the general fund it should read from the public safety fund is requested to fully fund the project general public safety [snorts] you got to keep an eye on that finance that money just keep leaking out of there [clears throat] was some bad counselor that went and hid in the [snorts] Okay. So,

so we make a motion the agenda as amended. The agenda as amended. You want a roll call again. That can be a voice. All those in favor signify by saying I. I opposed. I just want to make sure that Ed had a chance. She wanted to vote against it. You know how you Okay, [laughter] moving right along. We're back. We got the approval agenda. So, as amended, it was approved, right? Yeah. All right. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to approve the consent agenda. 7 through 22.

Yes. Items 7 through 22. You need your new script. Yeah. 10. You got to read your new script. For the consent agenda. Yes, we just you got a new script. Oh, yeah. That's right. For the percentage. It's all in red in our book. You know what? We'll we'll just print it out for you next time. Okay. All right. We going to let them make it this time. Oh, man. I was ready for that. This is so weird sounding. So, Mr. Mayor, what you would do is you would say, uh, we now have the consent to get agenda. Are there is any person wish to remove an item? Well, I haven't seen that. Okay. Well, I didn't I didn't get the same papers everybody else did. Yes, it's in. Everybody else got a copy except me.

I didn't get a copy. It's in our book. Yeah. Yeah. Here you go. It's on page There's three in the book. Get a little book. 23. Three. Three. Actually, it's on page 10. Oh, page Yeah. Yeah. He's reading it out of page. That's not true. You want to see the difference between this book? My papers are all white. I don't have any of that cheating stuff like you with red and green colors on it. Mine's all black and white ink.

Calm down. Calm down. Calm down. Another pill. Take another be careful what you ask for. All right. Okay. So, we've done that. Okay. Let's go on down the road then. Take a vote on the consent. We got to take a vote on voice. Voice vote on consent. Where the hell is it? At the bottom item in writ. Okay. The consent agenda is before you, my friend. Please look at these items. Any member who wishes to remove anything from consent agenda for discussion, please leave the room. That's not what it say. [laughter] That's not what that say.

Oh. Oh. Please request it to be removed. Does anybody want anything removed from this agenda? Seeing none, I would ask that we the last adopt without objection. Hearing no request. Hearing no. [laughter] All right. Hearing no request for removal. Remaining items on the consent will be adopted without further objection or discussion.

Please pause for any brief objections. We're not going to have any of those. Hearing no objections, [cough] the Tennessee Senate is adjourned. Is approved. I told you all I was having problems with my eyes. I just had eye surgery and not one person gave me any sympathy. [clears throat] We did. We waited. We waited patiently. I can tell the difference between red and green and black letter. You don't have You don't have a color copy? No, I don't have. You should be They should be ashamed of theirelves. That's right. They should be ashamed of yourself. Mom, you should be ashamed of yourself not giving him a color. [laughter]

I'm not angry or anything, guys, but I'm leaving. Okay. Have a good Be careful. Be careful. Anybody who's traveling, be safe. Be safe. Remember what the speed limit is, counselor. If not, tell them you got a Tell them you know the mayor. Tell them you know the mayor. Tell them your name is Jennings. Yeah. Tell them you got 2020 vision. That's going [laughter] to hurt him more than help. All right. Well, oh, this is Did he leave? No, he's right over there. He's He's in the item 23. I'm sorry. It as council form will verify my book is blank.

My book is blank on 23. And so when you guys give me all this help and stuff, just remember I try to do it right. Just sometimes you get better service. Except I'm I'm happy with our clerk. So don't get any ideas. She does a good job. This is a proclamation for the honorable judge Baldock that that uh uh that uh swears us all in. He has he's for you all that don't know him. I would just take a minute to you probably ought to read it. We have it. I did not bring it, but I can go grab it. He has CO so he's

wait let's do that another time at the next council that okay that'll be fine he is just he's been a jurist and he's been a you know he's on the second the one of his colleagues went straight to the Supreme Court so this man is done a great service to our and he stayed here he's probably the biggest reasons we still have a federal court Okay. So, sorry to force this on you, Mr. Mayor. If if there can be a motion and a second to table. Mr. Mayor, I move that we table the proclamation for honorable Bobby Baldock till the next seat. Do that if it was

motion by council. Who was there? Give it to you're good at that. Everybody beat me. I have a motion for [laughter] by um Herson Halverson and a second by councelor Maruo [laughter] to postpone this to the next date when he can attend. All right. Is there any objection? All those in favor signify by I. Okay. Motion. Yes. [clears throat] Next we have airport Miss Thompson. [laughter] I think. Yeah. I'm so sorry to let you know my reporters will be wrong today. What?

3 [laughter] minutes. It can't be that long. You're not that tall. I'm not public. [laughter] There you go. There you go. Excuse me. I I I took upon myself to appoint myself as the official timekeeper of the minutes. So, go ahead. I'll count. Look at that. That sign was amazing.

So, thank you. Uh I know it's been a long day, so I'll try to get through this quickly. So, you probably all and I've heard from several of you that you've had a lot of questions about how well the races did, what it did with the community. So, I'm going to go through these slides very quickly because I have a lot of other information for you, but this is prepared for the tourism for Adam and Tourism because they did donate 700,000 to marketing. So, we wanted to how [clears throat] well the marketing did. you threw that down.

So I'm going to talk about these four categories. We have the total attendees, the economic impact, the media impressions which 1.4 billion that is a B and then brand visibility. So all this is important but what has happened now is Roswell is done around the world. [clears throat] Talk a little bit more about it. So when you talk the metrics here uh the total attendance uh and I don't know how well you can read this but normally Saturday would [clears throat] is our biggest day as it turned out for those you were there it was wet on Saturday so Saturday tennis was only about 10,000 people and Sunday perked up to about 15,000 but you know that that's those are low numbers for us we fully anticipate those numbers to probably increase by 45 to 50% next year from more.

So then it just talks about the how the numbers are calculated from perspective. So this is an interesting graph here. So you see the darkest color on that those people from New Mexico that attended and what's interesting about that in the past the numbers from New Mexico were pretty small. So we're glad that the people in the state did attend and then the next color block was all the other states in the country of what attended the percentage of the total attendance. Uh only two states did not have people here and that was Vermont and New Hampshire. So we'll have to work on those.

Interestingly enough, if you go up to Nevada, Nevada had the lowest number of attendees. So I guess they're just glad that we're not there anymore. But they did have sons keep us there. So tough luck. In fact, there were more international travelers here from 16 other countries than there were from Nevada. I found that interesting.

So this gives you kind of a breakdown of the economic impact. If you've dealt with economic impact before, you deal with directs and indirect. Directs are the direct money from tickets and lodging and food. Uh and I by the way take great exception to the lodging numbers that reported for September and I think we need to look into those because one hotel where the braces had almost 40 rooms. They said we had no money. We have the receipts for those rooms. So you can see how that effect and then you get into the induced effect was have to do salaries people and everything. They said they didn't.

So then you talk some of this is some of the marketing pieces that went out if you didn't get to see them for print materials, digit advertising that went out just to give you a flavor for what went out. And of course in all these you'll see you know represent things from New Mexico and with the Nevada troop. So this is how the web traffic went. Uh, and you'll notice that the organic search, which is just kind of a I'm just running through stuff. I'm not really anything particular. I know the folks that looked at it direct, all those of course are in.

So then you look at people that 346,000 users did on the New Mexico true site, 546,000 to the air site, which you'd expect those numbers to be kind of in that category and ratio again. So subscribers reach the average open rate. So you know as you're clicking through social media sometimes you just blow past it and other times you open it. So I hear you're talking 45% of the people that saw something on the races stopped and looked a little further.

So the number here that I think is pretty important is that one in the top right corner, the 1.45 billion that looked at things. So there's a lot of people learning about Roswell New Mexico. So again social media growth when you look here you see the kind the Instagram the Facebook and the Twitter the various things there where people look you look at things you probably saw it again these are some of the marketing pieces that went out so you can see what they look like and their friend who by the way is still in the hospital but doing So if you go to the next one, so there was a 50% return on the investment. So more than 50% of the money spent was returned to ticket sales. Go ahead.

And then if you look here, these are paid media where we paid you. We actually placed ads as opposed to certain things through social media which did not have a cost. [clears throat]

gives you some of the ideas again of some of the photos from the event, uh, how things were put out through the announcers, the box seating stuff that was there, and then some of the visual effects that they had, [clears throat] [laughter] one of the interesting things too I'd like to point out was besides uh almost 5,000 kids going through the STEM program, and we actually anticipated more than that, but we found out Friday, which would have been a big day for students. Schools were closed, so obviously they didn't bust any students out. So, we just had the two days, but we did have 4,700 kids or just under 5,000 for that. And we gave away 20 $10,000 scholarships.

Five of those went directly to ENMU students for the AMP school. And those kids get the$10,000 at ENMU because [laughter] that they were allowed to use them to even buy tools with. they didn't have to necessarily put it towards books and things because tools are important to what they're doing. They can even buy tools with it. So, of course, we have the merchandise tents out there and I hope to see everyone in a race shirt at some point in time. Go ahead. So, again, the home pile uh which is just all over the place. You see that picture everywhere now, which is kind of fun. And these are some of the searches that people went on some of the photography. Uh there was a really interesting magazine that came out of Japan had wonderful pictures. I don't have a clue what it said because it was in Japanese but it looked pretty. So we understand that in the conclusions about 42 to1 [clears throat] return which is pretty hot. So we're very happy about that. So now and this picture that you have here because people have asked me about it when we start talking about arabatic boxes and that people would say what are you talking about? So what you're looking at here which looks like a [clears throat] convoluted geographic or a bad page in geometry class. So you see in the center there is what they call the show box. The center show box.

This whole thing is the arabatic box. uh you have the various lines going across. The slow movers are on that lower line and then the fast movers which will be the Thunderbirds are on that top line. So as they speed up they have to get further away from the crowd. So then the lines are cross and everything as the team flies in and does all their maneuvers. They'll come in in all those angles and I'll tell you but I won't tell you when. At some point, you're gonna be watching out here Facebook and Liam's gonna come right over your head and Jeff will get you excited, but I'll watch you from the tower and see how you look [laughter] and I've seen little kids go, but it's a lot of fun. So, you see where the air boss is watching everything. CFR assets are spread all over the field. Uh all of this is definitely choreographed in a very special way. Uh because the where the fast movers go or the cat one line at the top, there's no natural barrier like a runway or anything there. We'll be going over to white sands which we know aren't sands at all. It's gypson. We'll get some of that and we'll put that down cuz these guys are each coming in at each other at over 600 miles an hour. They need to instantly see where that line is. They can't be looking for it. They don't have time. So we'll make an artificial shell line which will look somewhere like that little hill does but gypson he happens to work extremely well for that. So then what you do is you have an area that they perform in that's a five nautical mile circle. So in that area during the event that'll be totally sterile and under waiver for us and it goes to 19,000 ft. So no other aircraft are allowed within that area during the entire show time than [clears throat] the time we're flying. So that's the slide. So the other things I'd like to report

on today is you probably knew there was a fire. So I'd like to go back a little bit in history to the first fire out there, which was building 115. Uh we met, when I say we met, we had airport personnel. Uh we had the new city manager there as well. uh and met with some people that believe there's things they can salvage from that first fire. Doesn't look like anything to me, but they say there are some metals there with salv. Well, that's been about 15 16 months. So, we told them no more work is done on the site till they get insurance. We want general liability insurance at $2 million level because there have been people from the neighborhood that have wandered over there. Somebody gets hurt and you know what happens and they want to sue the city. So, we said, "Get insurance first before you do any more work." And we also said, "Since you tied the land up for so long, we're now going to charge you for the land again because we're not able to use it. You're going to pay for it." Uh, the second site, building 66 on the airport, uh, as soon as the ATF releases that, which they have not yet. They're still investigating, trying to determine cause, we will apply the same kind of conditions. Right now, it's a sterile area that's fenced off and no one's allowed on that site. So, also, but you sometimes better be lucky than smart. You remember back a while ago, you all approved us buying a fire truck. Well, that firetruck really paved its way this past week. We got a call from the military. The military has made a decision that if you have military traffic that's going to practice at your airport, which if you're familiar with what goes on at the center, that's a lot of our traffic. In fact, it's more most of our traffic if we had not increased our ARF capabilities with that new truck. We would no longer have that military traffic. So that have what's called an index number. We qualify for the new index number that they're putting out. Uh so

we will continue to have a lot of military traffic at the airport without any restrictions which we did sneak by that one and we just act like oh we took care of it. So, and speaking of military traffic, uh on February the 4th, Navy's coming back in. They'll be here for 2 and 1/2 months with 28 aircraft training. This past week, we had a large NATO aircraft. If you've seen it flying around, big old gray thing, big aluminum overcast. Uh they had such a good time. They were able to accomplish so much. They're going to come back four more times. So, we're happy to see that. And just if you like to play with numbers, they use eight tons. Eight tons of fuel a day.

Oh, nice. So, yes, we did meet with dad for about a few things with them this week. Six pounds a gallon. About six and a half. Yeah, that's some money right [clears throat] there. There she is.

And then then in always trying to improve the staff and their capabilities, uh we'll be working with the FAA of Fort Worth and the first week of February, all the staff will go through three hours of training for three days straight, three hours each day on airport compliance and regulations. Uh if you want to really have exciting meeting, come on out and listen to that as well. Uh we also have a subsidiary of Boeing that's coming out in the fall to do more break testing on the 737 Max. And then mark your calendars. February 11th, the Top Flight Tavern will be having a grand opening. That is the restaurant at the airport that we now operate. It will be open six days a week instead of once in a while maybe the next day or tomorrow. six days a week from 9:00 to 5:00 and three nights a week it will be open till 9:00. So February the 11th is the grand opening.

What time? Uh the grand open but I haven't set a time for that yet. Okay. But it'll be in the afternoon. Then on February 17th, United Airline flights start. The first flight will depart Roswell at 10:55 that morning. 289 is the price now for the roundtrip ticket to Denver. If you're interested, we're going to have a big deal. you'll get a certificate of being on the inaugural flight and we'll be doing some other things for that as well. 217 for the flight and it's at 10:55 in the morning.

And speaking of flights, American has again changed their schedule. They're now going to have an early morning flight and a late day flight, but that's going to work well for United flights, which are late morning and about 5:30 in the afternoon. So, it all blend well. So, did we lose a flight with them or they're just changing? They went down with two flights last August. They're just going to keep it that they're going to keep it that way. They did start bringing in larger equipment. And that's a great segue. Yes.

Uh in 2024 [clears throat] of December, we had 3,486 passengers. In December of 25 we had 6,315. So you can see that our passenger traffic is increasing. Also uh projectwise since Mr. Kung is not here today cannot be here

uh on the lighting project. We're very struggling with parts that seem to be an industry problem. Uh so that project will extend for a bit. the master plan, which to me this is ridiculous. We submitted the master plan almost a year ago to folks in Fort Worth who at that time only had to be in the office one day a week and then we go back to five days a week. 52% of them quit their jobs and said, "Nope, not for us." So they ended up for a plan of does the final sign off on the airport layout plan. They ended up with two for all the airports that Fort Worth has oversight for. Uh so they still haven't finished our airport layout plan. Hopefully soon. Uh taxiway Charlie, we're doing a 4in mill and overlay forward. That project will be completed in February. The restrooms in the main terminal are completed with just some simple little punch list items, but mostly aesthetic. We are working on the bathrooms out by uh baggage and those will be done uh late March as well. If you haven't seen those now, they're very very nice. They turned out very nice. And then of course Max been helping as has Mr. McCormick who's not here now on that Southeast waterline update which is good because that impacts that museum that's going out there. And we have two companies right now looking to build large ORO hangers large enough to hold the trip 7 which of course is a 600 passenger aircraft. Um then I think that is all I take any questions [clears throat] right quick.

I haven't seen any ad much advertising on the United F. Has anybody seen I haven't seen any. So who's doing the advertising? Yeah, we've been working on getting something just on the website this week and there'll be a big push starting next week. Okay, I would also point out that didn't the uh the first B batch of Navy fighters was from Gston and the other ones are coming back from Florida. Uh opposite flip flipped that.

Oh, I flipped it. Okay. But all I'm saying is that when you look about providing a good service and things that you know the RDC they've had parties and stuff for these fires when they come and if if they get the same time we might just have one party because those flyers will all be people that really really you know they know how to fly but really learned how to fly. A lot of this stuff is here in Roswell. So that there's a chance for a alumni group where we get tied up with all the Navy flyers about who came here and u it just little things like that make a huge difference like we ought to have an alumni association for the youth [clears throat] challenge cuz when you go to that graduation and see those kids and see how this is the biggest thing they've ever done in their lives and a lot of those kids you know they they weren't they've had a lot of challenges in the their life and they've met their demons and they've overcome them and that that's something that we probably really need to work on too. But things are going well out there at the base and you challenged us to build another dorm as I recall and or a gym and uh I mean there's that program has done very well and when you go to their graduation it's it's it's amazing to see don't you see people with kids that you were looking at with tattoos all over their face her arms and every everything else. Kids that you have a great deal of question about. Then you look at these kids have all turned around. Everybody else has given up on it. And it was that way when when I sponsored that bill I and Rozel came up to it and stood up to it. But those kids were all people that were now they're they're doing a and

they're all certified. Some can be certified to do anything from ambulance work to fire police. They can go to National Guard, they can go into the army, they can do anything. And it's all because they took a second chance on themselves. And you know, I'd like to see us start something else. When they when Santa Fe saw how good we were doing, they wanted and they came to the state to get it and have it pull it back to Santa Fe. and Dan Taylor and a bunch of people from Roswell said, "No, there are kids doing them along." And that's true. All right, I'll quit talking. Sorry. Any other questions for me? Yes, sir. Bobby, would you mind sending a put a copy of that impact study in my box here?

I hope you do. Yeah. Do it for allbody's box so you'll have it. All right. Thank you. Appreciate it. But I hope that was okay because that's as fast as I can talk. Oh, thank you. You were a lot a lot quicker than the mayor. [laughter] Thanks everyone. Just point. What the heck? Okay. Item we've done 20 uh 25 and 24 and five. We have to skip covered by any quicker. All right. Next we have item 2. She's got fire chief going on here.

Fire chief. You got some good. No, I I I've got some guys leading. I think we talked last night, Mr. Mayor. Sorry. And we're sending our water rescue team along with the PD about eight people to uh San Marcos, Texas to do the I think it's a 10 for the water rescue team.

Mayor, counselor, how are you all today? Hey, you're cutting in on his time. why he told me to go. Yeah. No, this and this one is is just Chief Wooler. He spoke to you guys about this. This is just a [laughter] continuation of of that program that it's a it's a two-year program. So, he'll be he'll be coming in and out of this uh for the next two years to to Yeah, it's a it's a really big deal.

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Is all yours.

My apologies. He just let go ahead and go, but on him. Good afternoon. Just our out of state travel coming up. Actually, we just sent three. We didn't get it on the agenda in time. Uh sent officer Selenus, Officer Romero, Officer Gonzalez to a women in command conference in Emerllo, Texas. It was January 12th and 13th to learn and obtain tools to be effective leadership in women policing. Sergeant Tan Win, you go into Las Vegas, Nevada, February 24th through the 27th for a ASP instructor certification. It's to obtain reertification as a baton and handcuffing instructor and new certification for OC, which is the OC spray instructor. This helps us keep a lot of the training in house without having to send people to Santa Fe. Georgia Davyy, our record supervisor, will be going to Washington DC March 15th through the 18th for Central Square Engage. Catch up on the latest updates for One Solution Software as well as connected leadership and learning what the company's direction is. Also to find out the latest information on Pro Suite, Officer Anna Romero, Sergeant Travis Ree, Sergeant Brad Bailey, going to a two-day hostage crisis negotiator class. So those three are hostage negotiators for barricaded subjects and such. This will be January 20th through the 23rd in Waco, Texas to help hostage crisis negotiations, mental health officers, mobile crisis intervention and such. And that is all of our out of state travel coming up. I stand for any questions.

Okay. [clears throat] Road counselor. No. Um no actually uh thank you Mr. Mayor. It's not necessarily a question. Thank you for the report. I actually just had a question to admin and staff. I I'm sorry. Why are we doing this? What was the history of why you're actually reporting this out? I think it be could be handled in a note or something, but there's a there's a resolution requiring it. This is the resolution [laughter] that we're re-examining. I haven't been able to get with councelor Hobson yet to you to bang out all the details. Okay. Yeah. Just I was just making point of record there.

And if I may, Mr. Mayor, I uh we don't know the names of who will be going, but we do want to send uh five people on the inaugural flight. Uh the prices are still very competitive, so it shouldn't cost the city more than 1250 or so. Right now, they're $249 plus tax. I just say I get a window seat. I'm going to keep saying that. Yeah. So, [laughter] uh the clerk is going to send an email out if you'd like to do it again. It'll be February 17th. [clears throat] We think it's important that at least one if you're going I'm going to insist that you get an Instagram or a Twitter account and send something epic. [laughter] Epic. Epic. Yeah, that's I mean we're trying to get burned to media. Epic. Epic.

Yeah. [clears throat] So, you will be going out and then coming back on the same flight unless you'd like to make other arrangements, but you'll be hearing from the clerk. Thank you. Well, I would just like to point out to you all while you do that, I'm sure our soon city manager when he gets his office up here and myself have to be in Santa Fe trying to get us money. You can't go. I've never been on an inaugural flight. You know what? But you you've got to go. You're the only one that voted with me to get it. I mean, you you stay

Oh my god. Mayor, would you please stop? We have heard that for it. [laughter] Mr. Mayor, did we not get it approved for you? Did we not? Answer my question. Did we not get it? You were You already [laughter] I just want you just like you elephants, you have a good memory. Elephants have a good memory. They're noted for it, right? So, you can't expect me to tell me to forget it and I forget it. Thank you, Chief. Thank you. All right. Is there now we have public? We've got We have public comments.

Public comments. Would anyone care to make any public comments? Anybody on the TV? Um, we got the 250th anniversary for the United States we're working on. If anyone wants to help, let me know. Okay. You're a counselor, not on public, but that's all right. If you you can design your city to be public. I'm a citizen, too. Okay. All right. Next. Anybody else care to say anything? Anybody seeing that? Not hearing any. I wonder who Rita is. Oh, she got Breman. So, she she's chasing Breman, I'll bet you. No, she was getting plants to plant down. Oh, okay.

Did you have anything? I'm good. Thank you. So, you know, I tell you this is, have you noticed in his private time, this our chairman of our parks is selling uh dude dude wipes? Absolutely. And so he's got them dude wipes if anybody needs or extra money. I don't need dude wipes. So, okay. Okay. Seeing no other discussion [laughter] from the public, you might has anybody signed up? No, sir. We're done. Oh, Mary.

Six hours. Six hours.