Board of Selectmen - Regular Meeting

March 30th, May 26. Um, and our tradition is to start with pledge of allegiance. Do you want to give a quick round of introductions for everybody? Chief Riley Slickman.

Sorry.

Um, and so I think our first order of business day is electing a chair for the or for the year. Thank you. Let's see how many Sarah. I have to say who has some Sarah. Lovely. I would motion to select Sarah as the chair of the board. I would second that motion.

All right. Guess I had something else. Thank you.

Um, so moving into our regular public meeting, uh, public comment is first. We have anyone here that would like to step up. My name is Kaitlyn Perry uh a bookridge and I have been appointed as the communications lead for the idea that is forming itself into a more organized school of the Kensington Citizens Advisory Committee. And at the moment the citizens advisory committee is an open invite discussion group that's recognized that there are strong voices and opinions in the community about topics that are directly pertinent to the items that come before the select decision making. Uh citizens advisory committee is being put together with a few key hopes and goals and I just wanted to give an informal introduction of those today. Uh we do not want to do your jobs. We very much respect and appreciate the fact that you are doing those jobs and we would like to find ways to support you in the process of that. What we do want is to see how we might help to bring the town decision makers and the town members into closer alliance with one another by helping to create a organized but informal dialogue space to help support clear communication formats and to support arenas where people can meet across living lines and experience levels to support both the sele and the community at large. That's the intro in a nutshell. We'd like to start it by just offering to bring the select board members and anyone else who's permanently interested including community members at large. Um you to meet with the sort of founding members who have been assigned as intern roles for that citizens advice and then anyone

who is from the community at large who would like more information um just hit me up. I will add your name and email into it. you'll be invited on to the next discussion meeting if you would so like and we would just like to find ways to again collaborate, build communication, build transparency, see if there's other ways that the community at large can support you through resources and I open myself up for any questions that you have but otherwise I'm going to keep it short. I guess just maybe at the at the crest what is the what's the problem statement that you believe that this advisory group is aiming to solve? Um, so I say collaborations. Let's that's that's great. Everyone likes to have broad communication, but um when I when I think about having a large amount of people get together and you know actually plan this and put energy into it, what is it that you that you really like to get out of this and what are you solving for that is the issue that brought this group together to begin with? The media observation was the tremendous number of people who showed up above the neon we would normally see at the last voting and many of the measures that were struck down or argued about in the background. Sometimes it was lack of clarity, a lack of understanding about what some of the laws meant. Sometimes it was just the financial objections on hey we can't afford to live here anymore. And a large percentage of the people who are saying we don't want to move. We love our community. We don't want to be priced out of our community. And yet what we're seeing is so terrifying to us moving forward that we're seeing the end of our ability to maintain citizenship and and residency here in Kensington. And so a lot of the voices that came together were passionate about the financial side of things, but some of them were also voiced the confusion of, you know, what does this even mean? How did this come about? What about this? and the idea of

being able to to create potentially multiple branches of communication. Some groups might be simply a, hey, can we take the meeting notes from the silence board and help make them in a few other standardized formats to Google? Um, one idea that came up was, uh, okay, this totally embarrassing. Um, my husband and I came from Oregon and we very much missed having a voting booklet that came out that explained every single war ahead of time. People could submit their arguments for and against any groups like the library group or the teaching group or school could say, "Hey, we're also supportive of this for the following reasons." Um, also would give an introduction of people running for different roles. So that there was some way other than back Facebook chats to read about hey who is it we're voting for? What is it that they stand for? So that was one idea that came up for example in that discussion group. Uh the idea would be to maybe pull some informal like I said informal members at the moment but the idea would be to if that group grows large enough intentionally pick people from opposite ends of the political spectrum and that are intentionally coming from very different viewpoints. Be able to see if we can have a discussion in place where maybe some of their community members can also find common on their ground prior to saying to the selectments board or to other governing bodies, hey we've all been talking about this. This is where we meet. This is where the common ground from the community is. Um I mean I'd love to have more folks involved. I think we but nobody came to any of our budget hearings this year that were public hearings. So I like I feel like there's a a tool an opportunity here already in place that isn't being fully utilized. Could we work on getting folks engaged in the channels that exist? because I I think having that input in that conversation

would be great. Um it does complicate things a little bit if you want the select board to attend these meetings. This right here is the only time that the three of us are ever together and talking like that's in terms of like transparency and the laws and things that are in place. So if we were to show up at a meeting at someone's house that then becomes a public notice meeting that we had like there's just steps and layers and things that get complicated that I'd love to try to use what we have and I think I mean I'll speak for myself. I'm happy to have people reach out and ask me questions oneonone as well, but use some of the channels that are there and if people are involved in in what's already structured with the

Thank you. You provided me several opportunities for clarification that I really appreciate it. Um, one agree you have several different communication platforms that are already there um that just aren't filtering through enough layers to get to the people who are going to be told this. Um part of the idea of the citizen advisory committee is to bring an organized and committed group of people together who can turn coming to those meetings so that somebody's always present and then find multiple channels in which to say where is the community getting their information and how can we help take the information from those meetings and make sure that it's giving to the people who are down on the other end saying that I've never heard this. Um so part of it is trying to help make the communications that are already happening in the meetings that are already happening just filtered down effectively to everybody. Um and no you are not expected and and not it was not an intention to say hey you should come to every one of these meetings. Uh the meeting invite for you all is simply a way to say hey as we're getting together and hearing priorities of my community members that this is what I want to see happen. This is what I want to see happen. this is what I would want accountability for. We also want to hear from you. What would you want to see improved that we might be able to help with? What priorities do you have that potentially this group might be able to meet? If there's folks who are then showing up in a dedicated way to those meetings that you all are having and already we do not intend to create extra work for you, we would like to create less.

I would just speaking for myself. I mean, I'm a big believer that more hands make player work. So, I feel that the more people are engaged in town, the more people that are are active, right, the better it's going to be. I think, you know, the more that we can understand the voice of the town. So, I think it's a good potential opportunity for you to bring the feedback you're hearing at these meetings to the to the board. Um, you know, and and I would add that, you know, you know, the last meeting, you know, looking into grants and things like that. I mean having people who can help identify you know ways to help the town especially financially um by ways that they don't have to pull out of their own pocket you know absolutely but again would want it to be collaborative and um but I I would just say too if it's something that the group is really serious about maybe at a following meeting saying hey here's the roles here's the people here's what they they intend to do here's kind of our first action steps I think it would maybe give us some better as to what everybody's looking what like Ann was asking earlier to accomplish with the group but you know I think it's free to have conversation so we would be happy to bring that to the next meeting we we just mostly wanted you guys to have a chance to express any priorities that we might have prior to testing something together we wanted you feel like you had a voice as well prior to the drafting thanks Yeah. Just do a presentation, short presentation for

Hi everyone. I'm a SW member at the University of New Hampshire. I'm currently running initiative helping introduce local governments to artificial intelligence with no cost or commitment needed on their end. Um, this all started from a difficult experience with my local government. Uh, navigating the website. I was trying to license my dog. The information was on there. It's just extremely difficult to find, which resulted in me having to come to the town office, get the paper manually, drive back to fill it out, and then drive back to the town office. Well, it's a minor inconvenience. Those added up for both citizens and employees. Um, and the way I do this is with artificial intelligence assistance for your websites. It's designed to uh answer all your questions regarding website content uh and any other information the government provide to me. Uh this is the uh I guess second phase of my initiative. I uh started this in the summer. I'm currently working with Evan and Grand Manager uh live on their website answering thousands of questions uh helping save both citizens and uh employees time. Um, and over spring break, I decided to uh go out, I guess, the second phase of this where I drove all throughout Rockingham and Scrapford County going into town offices and uh proposing this. I'd love to answer any questions any of you or any of you guys may have about this. Uh, I'm sure I have an answer to it. Uh, is this a do you build on top of the existing software that we use? I know we use proprietary software. to the is something managed by

use Civic Plus. Uh it's a widget add-on. So either in the bottom left or right hand corner, it's a simple hi, I'm a virtual assistant here to answer your questions. I have a good working relationship with Civic Plus who uses them and uh there's no problems in that aspect. Is there added cost the tokens that are used

for the um the way I'm going about it is offering every town two months completely no cost or commitment. So you you all can try it out and if it's not quite for you guys, there's no need to extend past that. Uh past that, it's $1,200 per year, $100 a month for that existing solution. There's not a better price out there. I like to keep a very hands-on approach, constantly monitoring the chats just to make sure nothing goes wrong, no hallucinations. I haven't experienced any something. anytime when your information is wrong is when it's already wrong on the website which then allows me to let the town know that that information is wronged.

Do you have any uh excuse me, do you have any like metrics or data reporting from like some of the other towns you're working with in terms of user experience, you know, time on the site being

Yeah, I actually just crossed the 5,000 question threshold threshold like EP and revenue combined. I have 3,300 questions from Evan and then the rest uh being from Grand New Hampshire. Grandpa's about pretty similar population as you guys a little bit more. I think it's around 300 300 3,300. Um regarding feedback rates, uh there's an option for the students to give it a thumbs up or thumbs down along with responding it to responding to the chatbot to say there's anything wrong with it. I've only gotten the thumbs up and the only time information is on the website is essentially scraping the site.

Yeah, essentially scraping the site and any other information that the town provides me. Uh for example, with uh setbacks that is a very common question on both of them. So that's hidden in a PDF. It's not very well organized. What I did, I manually went through the PDF, gathered all the setback information for the different zoning districts and then compiled it nicely for the AI that's going to be able to respond to a new question. For example, I'm in zoning district one. What are my setbacks with near wetland also on top of that? Is the the town that we get reporting back people are searching for so we can see what some of the popular

Yeah. I I make one monthly reports for all the time along with all the all the chat logs and the reports are specifically uh one to two pages just to give the key metrics key questions and learn the chat logs or all the messages from all the citizens. So this is a a college project university project.

Yeah, it kind of both. Uh it's it started as a college project and now that I've uh been with Epic and Granthm for 6 months, they've moved on with any stages because it's worked great for them. Now it's sort of moving on to a business aspect. This is also going for my holiday competition presentation which is a student startup competition. Uh and I also am speaking at the New Hampshire Municipal Association event on tech November which I'm excited for. Thanks a couple weeks. So, let's say the two sounds that have already signed up. Um, and what is your long-term plans with this? What's your what's your goal? Is it to just scale and and essentially have mass adoption or essentially what I'm getting to is is there a a click where you say, "I've graduated. I'm good. I'm going to do other things." And then it's you're kind of stuck there.

Yeah. I'm I'm actually uh loading up my course schedule. So, I'm actually graduating a year early at the end of the year so I can focus on this full-time. Um, that's why I started the spring break initiative because a lot of government cycles are pretty slow. So, I figured with the 50 towns that I visited over time throughout my final couple months of college, I'll be able to start get more and more pounds adopted onto it. And down the road, I want to uh help with more AI and just general go tech solutions uh web content accessibility guidelines. Those are a key key one that I'm searching on right now. I know the PDS have to be uh all compliant by April 2027. That's pretty much nice on my pocket. But the grow the goal is to scale this into a company that I cannot make. I I guess just keep on going. Yeah. Great. Um would we be able last question? Um would you be uh able to provide some references along the way um just so we can understand how the process went for mostly writing post?

Yeah. Yeah. Like uh be like kind of administrator for that type of reference you mean or like reference the chat.

All right. Yeah. Yeah. I'll uh I'll reach out to see about that but I'm sure I'll say yes. Um, is it just general information you want to sit back? So, we'll give you a deep dive into a budget. You can deep dive into your budget as long as the information is trained on it. So, I'm assuming a lot of the budget information is indeed in the PDFs. Takes a bit of time for me to train that and extract all that information. But, as long as it's on the website, then the AI can answer your question about it. So, would the town give access to the budget? I mean, the budget's already on the website. So, it would have that, but I think it's

tech the tech piece of it, right? That it's in a PDF, so it would have to get trained to be able to repeat what's in it. I'll give you a specific question, right? A deep dive question because he's talking $25,000 a year, right? $1,200 months, right?

Where you pick up the phone and say, "What's, you know, expect the building inspect and say, what's our what's the setback?" Mhm. What do you really bring to getting into your platform cost? Uh saving all of both sides tons of time with the thousands of questions that get asked yearly. Uh whether it be phone call, email or citizen just having to manually go through the website, find all the information themselves. It takes up a ton of unwanted time and allows both of you to focus on the things that you much rather and much more necessary doing. It also allowed me to uh it also allows me to open the town with information on websites that may potentially be outdated as well. Thank you.

What happens if it gives you the wrong information? It becomes a liability.

Yeah, absolutely. Uh the like I said the only wrong information that has been provided so far is if it's already wrong on the website. Uh, and the the way I do this, it's a pretty deep in-depth training. I I literally spend about a week or two by myself before I even hand off to the town creating the information asking pretty much any possible question that you could think of and then I hand off to the town for all of you guys to test internally before going live on the website. So, you can ask it all the questions to your heart's content until you're happy with it. Then, it goes on the website. I also do have disclaimer written that artificial intelligence it can sometimes make mistakes and um off of that there mistakes don't really happen this I just I know I just created last couple weeks an AI policy to not be using AI so you know for us on my end it's it's pretty strict that guy can't the police office can't be using AI for three or anything like that um it it becomes a liability with um you know some challenging litigation the same actually

I I think it's got interesting potential and I think um you know just might help trying to find things on the website that said though with a default budget this year I feel like we're probably not in a position to to find $1,200 in a 2026 budget but maybe it's something we could continue to discuss and maybe we if we're interested consider doing a trial towards the end of this year where see it before it goes into next year. Yeah, I think a lot of that goes back to possibly talking with another side adopted to understand the the onboarding timeline, the tips and tricks that they had along the way and understanding like from beginning of agreement to roll out was that a quarter was that two quarters because to start point with a operating budget that is half from last year is essentially

yeah logical payment options I know towns operate on she budgets so I'm no stranger to logical payment option. So if it needs to be deferred to a different time period, that's absolutely okay. Uh I'm I guess from the times I have adopted and from just general competition winnings for donation competitions and stuff like that, I have a decent amount of money to be able to host and run these and defer these to a potential later time to later time. Thank you.

Do uh updates.

Yeah. at this point gone to the valve housing become a liability um engineer problems it's already the leases already built into the fall budget from last year um this year I paid off um using the cruiser long fund paid off all cars except the one so all cars are paid off I think the ability at least through Dodge which is allied um you need a line item to get allied to do it gives I mean, nothing interest rates for the cars, whatever. But what to do is what I have in there right now is 11,326. I would take another 11,000 appreci. Um, you know, the swap out for the car is pretty simple. It's just taking the equipment that's in the old car, put it in the the new car. um generally about 20,000 to out car about 7,000. So it's not outrageous. Um they'll get a tire just 5 years. We get you know we get 5 years out. um you know generally try that you know um does the equipment age as well as it's still forg most of the time it's good the software is good for all the lights and everything else but that bars are computers and everything else it's it's more you know um sometimes they try to talk you into something when you're when you're doing a swab but they already got our software we use uh Adamson Industries in a world they already got our software for all cars program is so pretty simple swap is about a week. All of us are just looking to um with

three boss motors. The deadline for cars is April 15. So um we're looking to get that done. Generally they tell you at 3 6 months. Last time they made this they told me that and about a month later they told me when we found another car they told me the car was there and fired up fine. So it worked at all but you never know. It's taken in the past sometimes in 23 I ordered a couple cops and took uh I'm sorry 21 a couple cs took two years to get. So you don't know what it is. You know you might not see the cop in July have it out. So it might seem to have an answer. Um it depends on when Dodge changes over the production line and we have the pursuit vehicles. Um but that just a matter of uh you know we both release and require a two-year release with us

with the whole fleet on kind of stagger. So like stagger them because that that one year we ordered them uh with them being backorded the way they were. I end up buying we bought four cars because of that. um does the way we were trying Savage. So I'm trying to get back into Saturn again. Uh there's at one point I got 423 cars out there and we were trying to get as much as we can. So Saturn as much as we can. That's why we looked at paying off the car this year so we don't have to pay the 11,000 is still available. Yeah. And then on the revolver. Yeah. Okay.

We have a question. Actually, how many vehicles do you have in the thing? Six. Six. Yeah. Do you need six? Yeah. You have six officers on duty at one time.

Well, they're all over the place. They could be on details. They could be working in court. They could be in train. Last week, I had two guys in the train. They had two cars taken off. So you never know a car breaks down you end up down down a car. So we built it now like we don't have the situation like we had years ago three that would car the car breaks down there's an accident we don't have anything to back us up. Six sounds like a lot of vehicles to have on site here at one time. How many how many police are on duty and then you give the day? Usually there's three to four on Monday night depending on training again. You got to put all that into consideration there. So why do we need and this is the fiscal responsibility that's an oxymoron in this town. Why do we need six vehicles for four people on ship? The select board should be looking at this hard. I mean to me I think that the the chief just explained a couple of things both in terms of when someone when one of the vehicles needs to be repaired if something's out for a little bit we can't be short hard is all I'm asking that's why this committee wants to be formed because you're not doing your job we'll explain the burden the burden these cars are generally not put on the public using the cruise volume fund the reason they're in the line items is to get the leases that's why they're there so all those cars have been pretty much paid out of the cruise That is not the point. I don't think you need six beer.

Okay.

108 road. I would like to request that rather than having a back and forth between people who are attending the meeting and people who are answering questions, people request to be organized and have recognized and have a moment to ask their question. think I mean I can understand the point right we are a drive by drive through town in terms of residential style we don't have a lot of commerce or industry to your point officers on duty in any given day so you would you would understand that maybe a third of your cars may be sitting at any given for me. uh you have two two of six right third part maybe not not going what I'd like to understand is could you explain to me um is is it physically responsible to buy lease excuse me um another vehicle so that you could sort of amateurize the mileage across multiple vehicles to therefore extend the life of them and not have to keep coming back every so often to keep getting more and more leases as you said go three years to 5 years which is the current 2021 going to happen. Um could you explain maybe to folks why you believe this is fiscally responsible? Well, what we've done now is we've assigned the officers the cars. So we don't have people going in and out of cars. So they're they're responsible for their cars. They're responsible for the oil changers. They're responsible maintenance on the cars. They're responsible. So we have accountability who uses these cars. So we have a sign sheet for the part time to take a car. So every time they take a car, they sign out. We have a capability when they're taking the cars, right? These cars are producing revenue for to take the burden off the taxpayers when we need them to purchase cars. It also pays for with that burden.

It also pays for tires, pays for you know unexpected cost that is not built into the revenue. So these guys are making money from the repair but they are paid for themselves. And could you could you explain um what what's the difference between five or six vehicles to you? What is the difference in in that one vehicle?

Well, you have the way we static the schedule, too. So, we have three guys on and we overlap our shifts. So, then you got the fourth guy coming on and then you have a couple cars in details, but they could be in training, they could be in court. Uh again, you we put them in their own cars, then we're liable for their right. So, if they're in a police car, it's a liability of the time, right? But if they're no POV, either we got to pay their mileage, we got to take, you know, we have to take a liability of them back. So that's insurance that we would have to pay them back, I imagine. Right. And then we have to pay mileage, which is 70 cents a mile.

Okay. On top of if they're coming, you know, again, cars are equipped with everything, ads, they have all the medical supplies in there, knock, all the cars are equipped with everything they need to have. So again, you need to go somewhere. It's not come in, load your car up, they're ready to go when everybody's up and they know their own stuff. Has the lease rate per cruiser increased significantly over the years?

No, it's about the same right now. The only time it changes when we went from the the dog would say making to the SUVs and we looked at the best pricing at the time. Um, you know, the floors are a little bit bl the tiles are way more. So, the dodges were the most reasonable and exhausting right there. They're pretty easy to get over and get fixed pretty quickly with us. Um, you know, the other thing is I usually purchase these uh extended warranty with them. So, we got a couple of transmissions. It's always want the warranty done. So there's nothing you know for instance nor so it's you know you just look at the cycle if you don't continue on the cycles you end up you know with you one five you're not doing additional you're replacing several

chief would you say it's safe to say too that you know an officer losing their own vehicle and the insurance and all that liability can quickly outweigh the additional cost Yeah, 100%. I mean, they're they're in an accident, then it's a, you know, liability with that, right? You know, I look at it as if they listening to a call, they have the radio on, they're trying to get here fast and their own POVs and they come back from something, you know, there certain things like that that happen. So, at the end of the day, they're you look at it issue and again I get people looking at six cars. You you try to cycle too if you have, you know, again, you have a car accident for a month or two. It happens all the time. You have a car get hit all the time and there are accidents or, you know, blown motors that just happens things like they used to be. Uh so you try to build it so that you have enough backup that we're not I don't have enough paying to be in the the building and we don't because they're there on some markets. You made it interesting the um when you're doing a um a detail the car insurance pay like there's you explain just so we drop a fee for the cost $30 so that the cost that money comes back in that's where we get the money from the cruisers so you know $8 details $240 right so that goes into the cruiser all fun I tell that was funds to eventually purchase the cars the guys are out and and we We have policy that they can use their POVs if there's no cost available for a detail. And again, it's taking out the town statewide with their POV. So, you just you never know. I've had my past my trucks out there uh in the past. It happens. Um again, you want your guys even if detail or something's happening and they're listening, they can leave and go, right? and and they can help you

where you know happened to me last week we had two accidents at most.

My final question um how often would you say uh you find all six of your uh cars or vehicles um out somewhere? Usually you'll see one car on it most of the time because there's a detail. Sometimes I see none. sometimes weather permitting you can see all if it if it rains there's no details and the guys are you know in the building whatever like I can't say yeah I can't it's a hard question to answer for that um you know there circumstances that the cars are out there you know but you know we we have a prosecutors in court all the time everything's right now with the new reporting system that we have that's terrible we use that HBD citations and uh e complaints and we used to be able to swip chronically change them or they change our reporting system into the raw time. So now we physically have to bring all our complaints to what our soft. So there's there's different things you can look at from two different views of how you're looking at it. At the end of the day, we try to psy them off, they make money. That that's that's the only way we're really bringing in. Thank you. I have another question. I think about that North Road. Um, you raised the question of de special details, right? So, this town spent $1.5 million on salaries last year. $352,000 with special detail, right? We paid that cost us cost the taxpayers $352,000. The chief just said now he's charging $30 an hour, right? Where does that revenue go from? We know the cost is there. Where does that $30 revenue go?

It's going into the Now, is it a net net or is it disappearing to a fund? Because it sounds like it's a money making thing. I don't think so. I know the cost is $352,000.

I think well the $30 is what you're charging for the car, not for the full detail you're off that money. So the contractor is pay us that goes into that account. That account is used to pay out the details. So we pay we pay out the details and then we have to collect the money from from the contract. So that money is used to offset that too. I'm not sure I don't say it's part 1.5 million. I'm not sure what that that is, but that's not that's the total salary package you said last year. 352 was on special keepers. That's a line item in your annual report.

Yeah. That didn't come out of taxpayer money. That came out of the revolver. The special detail revolver paid paid for that. So, it's a net. So, how much did that how much did we make out of details? The whole year. Yeah. Yeah, they brought in I can't tell you right off the top. Um, but we made money on that amount of tax. Yeah. Yeah. But I'd like to if you said you made $400,000 we don't make that because you're paying out the cost for the details. What you're making is the is the the $30 an hour on the car is what you're making. Yeah.

The money coming in for the contractor is still it goes out. We pay we pay the officers with that money too. All the taxes for that payable gets paid out of that fund as well. Okay. My standing question maybe is I'm not ambushing you but next weekend could you tell me it's a net net or where is the cost lie? We know he's being 352. What did the chief make? Where did that money go? There's an offset. Thank you. And I think without having the the exact numbers in front of us that the town there is money that is that is still in that we would say in the more money is coming in revolver fund than is going out for right. Yeah.

Right. So I don't know what that I don't have that balance in front of us but it is making money that is then going to cover things like the the money can be put into anything with the way I do it. Yeah. So I used all that money when we bump into the cars. I've never asked um you know taxpayers to pay off the cars all come out of that revolution. Yeah. If it's a revenue revenue generate on behalf of the person it's not I'm not so happy.

Yeah. This right here. Um this right here is what was left over at the fund was 155,000 from 24 25 the net was 169577. The revenue generated was 130. The revenue generated was470,000 and we paid out 455,000. You paid out 332, right? Just in salaries, but they also used it for the car payments. He pays some of the bills out of them as well. All right. So, it's a nifty. Yeah, we had a slightly window. Yes,

we we've used that money in the past when when fuel prices have skyrocketed, we we take that money. We can use it to the fuel tube. So, try to offset some of the cost. Again, it's just anything with the cruiser. We we can try to use it to replace the computer. It's covered. You know the computers can range from some,000,000,000 you know so again those are costs that I put into the budget that something happens we have that plan be able to use that money but I cut tree on my property right you you send a good noise to me if you're contract

so the jurisd Okay.

So, all right. So, the $119 need a motion from last year. Yeah.

Yeah. I motion to approve the uh lease of the new cruiser for the 11,000 uh 11 11326 but I'm going to put another one I'm going to double the payment so that another 11,000 put 22 22,000 down then we'll pay it off in two years okay we just pay off so I understand um it's 11,000 paid to date already from the lease so you just double down on that I'm going the $11,000 line item because I needed an item and I used to revolve another $11,000 down you look at it would only be a 2-year lease pretty much

understood. Yeah. So I I motion to approve the use of the involving fund for doubling down on the uh police vehicle for $1,26 be able to procure said cruiser

all I want April 28 we're doing after shooting in the school that day so we got walls police property season police department, Southampton police department and fire will be there and fire will be there all day event. Um so the electronics telling you we did it last year was pretty successful. This year we have um we have more or less asked uh the fire department if they walked on and uh you know because they're surrounding agencies they would be the first one responding. So for me I'd like to have them familiar with the schools help them and how do we respond so that that'll take place uh the police academy will be here watching that as well as uh the new safety director will be here. Okay. So if you want to come see it, come see it. Kind of do table talk in the morning probably the vacuum put the table talk and then then later in the day we go after shooting in there. So we have simulation round so people get sick by see what time is that on April 2.

Uh 91 will be here in the morning. So, we're trying to see if it makes sense to just be in the in the in the gym. Oh, that's over break. Okay. Yeah.

And we put a announcement out about that like on your town Facebook page. Yeah. Facebook page. We'll put out on there. We can do an alert on the website, too. Yeah. some they might see a lot of police guys and I honestly think they might be all in the back of the scene. So, it's more probably fire guys out there. They're going to uh you know do some of their trust or whatever try to make it and uh try to make it feel like it's it's available. They'll come in and rescue people.

Chief, just out of curiosity, um that seems like a lot of towns, um which is great. Uh and they're coming to our town, which for me says we're doing it excellent. Um and we're sort of the ones the folks are trying to uh take as an example. Could you tell me how how we get here to the point where we're the town where other folks are coming to watch? We go to other towns as well. Yeah, we've been we've been an excellent we at the high school, but I can't say we haven't been other surrounding agencies haven't done this training like we do and it just you got to make it real. The problem is like right now there's a lot of turnout police officers a lot. So you you know we train guys last year they might not you know they come in again you don't they might not even you know and so it just makes it a little bit more familiar because you know again hopefully never have to do this but if you train on it becomes memory almost something happens and um you know it's all everything about communication with that and everything else and with this school is really tough because the school repeater doesn't work it's up on the building so the radios very sporadic in there. So the sound they work, sometimes they don't. So again, one of these training things we want to know like when the radio's not working and you know how we adjust that respond uh fire department. So last week we kind of had a crazy week. We had two motor vehicles accidents right on top of each other. One was on South Road, one was on road. Um kind of stressed this little thing, but um we managed to deal with it. And luckily uh nobody moves through the road too bad. Um that's how I got the fire. And then um for emergency management um our hazard admination plan is done.

We're just waiting for the federal government to come out of shut down to what they're going to do to get it back. Um, so we're kind of just in a holding pattern, but that was all paid for by Brad from last year. So, like I said, it's we're just waiting for the federal government to do their check and we should have it back soon. And that's it for now. uh building um permanent application to save. So that's happening which is very nice. Um I understand that uh the health um the health officer is trying to ask one um and then I'm willing to do it more but uh if I'll step in that's up you know do that Um I can't say I I was talking to a colleague she did send me something. I don't have a teller. It might be my another email. Um but it was from the trainer. So uh I'll get that.

I did a brief um well it's two pages so it's not super loose but it's the responsibilities of the health officer in town. So, you know, kind of what you would see. Um, we don't have to use the health officer very often. It's usually if there's a hoarding situation where there's home inspection,

they do every 3 years you infect this condition. Um, and there's a checklist that you provide and you you report that to the state. Um the training is mandatory. Um I think Gino's talking about a different training because training that's mandatory. I don't have to pay. Okay. Um it's just mandatory to take it through the state and it's usually bring and we need one officer or two. You need an officer, a health officer, density health officer. Okay.

So do you know volunteer? because we were all talking about having someone possibly that was an employee to kind of keep it together and not just have the board have to do it. So whenever you would mind being the deputy I mean saying that we could do it for a year and then decide we want to pass it on to somebody else. We could do that. Um, how quickly do do you need to be able to respond? Like is it extremely tiny or something? Either either time the um usually if there's an incident um we usually get

Yeah. Yeah. 113 South if you have a circumstance needs to be condances are we got to call someone what we can do you know shut the house down the days or some of you right you know sometimes you don't want to be they department heads can't shut the house down or go any further without the health officer having to be with Besides within that's been done here is another background check. Yeah.

No, just the 300. I think it'll maybe periodically we might see one or two trainings that come up for something like that happens but it's very doesn't happen all the time. any any um department health department building department there's always a train you'll get an email and there'll be um you know some sort of like training that they just want you to follow along

yeah they're very responsive so if you needed help in a situation they're there seem like that employee would be the right person to be the driving room and I one of the three of us being a deputy makes a lot of sense as well to share the responsibility and sort of to your point have someone who's not an employee and be able to do such to do so I agree I think Gino's background um makes a lot of sense the things we talked about lines up pretty well with experience

well my colleague is also a cult and the office of health in that particular town she's so busy with the health really that I do a lot I take care of the permanent side for so um this town talking I know there's a lot that goes on with it so I don't mind you know anyway we really Yeah, that makes sense.

We call him first when he comes and then pass out something. Yeah. Mean opposed. The only is a three-year term. I got to figure out

do I need to put a motion like we need to do a motion to be the uh incident health officer and have Tom officer second is supposed response if we can be. Yeah. Can we start please? Oh, sorry. Um over again or or would you like to hear whatever we were saying? Sure. Um I was uh motioning for Gino to be the health officer and for Tom here, our new selectman to be the deputy. Can I second that motion? She second motion. All in favor?

I and I will do a better job of speaking up. I apologize. We got real close.

Forget those. We're just trying to find the paperwork. Make sure we have you missed a bit of mumbling. I'm trying to figure out what I was going to say. Um just yet later Wednesday I imagine

I think with you as I go. Anything else from here? That's it. Nothing else. Any questions? Thank you. Thank you. Good to meet you. Well, let's say today five common trained us on CPR. They did a great job good job over there and you know there's two group two trainers did an excellent job to say that I'm sorry but most of these guys here the next meeting Jeff you also do ADA training.

Yes. Is that included? Yes. Thank you. Jeff, is that CPR training something that's available to to public or or anybody? I coach baseball, but I don't think any of my coaches are

Yeah, actually I have to talk to um my my captain, our captain does it. Um I have to talk to him because he does his schedule. Um and I have to talk to my instructor. She is trying to get her um license to teach. So, um there's an opportunity there. I don't want to say yes or no. Um we usually just do kind of in house right there's a manpower logistics um as the day here. So, it's got I got his schedule with with everybody else's stuff. Um but there is there's an opportunity there. But I'll talk to them. Thank you.

Our one is next month. I'll be holding the annual taxing on April 9th. There classes that are unpaid right now and 10 taxpayers. I just want to know that those is that a average number low or high? A little bit higher. Okay. last year. You can see there were 26 that actually went to tax unit. We had 29.

So, thank you. M um speaking of a motion. Yeah. All right. Court of Kensington, we hereby instruct Arlene uh Wigan and Town Collector to pay outstanding 2025 property taxes on April 9th, 2026 and place a lean on them at the Rockingham registry of deeds. The principal tax amount should not exceed $63,277.58. And hopefully we'll get there before. Okay. One second. I second my motion.

I answer. Thank you. Thank you. Um let's see. Other department heads and committees that we have um represented here would like to give an update if Hi.

Uh, an update from the committee. So, we uh got the quote from the electrician. The final piece. This is the only piece that was missing. You guys weren't here for the first part of the geothermal conversation. So, the contract that we signed uh did not include the electrical adjusting case. Uh Bob was going to do it. We ended up not going with Bob, we're going to go with their the electricians they have uh in house. Uh they gave us the quote and we wanted to go with him because we're going to start imminently. Uh we just got the equipment got delivered today to their warehouse. So they're probably want to start in the next week or two. Um the good news is that the electrician works directly with us. will be there on the first day and they'll wire everything past. Um the reason that's important is we're trying to find a way to keep the heat going in the building. Uh there is going to be electric backup systems installed. That's for emergencies uh which we can run. The only problem is that first we need to get rid of the oil tank because that's behind the entire system. And to do that, we have to disassemble the unit. So, there could be a couple days where there's no heat. And so, we're trying to find hopefully the weather is cooperating. Um, if not, we'll have to bring in space gears or consider running a uh temporary oil drum that would allow us to keep the furnace going. Um, around this time, can you look at the numbers? How often are we running the furnace for heat?

Um, the furnace is running year round. Yeah, for heat, you know. Yeah, it's running.

Yeah. All right. So, we'll work with the company to see what they say. Um, worst case, here's a question for the or more warm for you guys that work here. Would we want to delay the installation until it gets a little bit warmer, which runs the risk of Yeah, I didn't think so. Like, I don't want to make it work. I mean a couple days you're talking about freeze in there freezing weather when the electricians that were looking for that date uh whenever they bring the whenever they start the installation basically. So it could be a week or a week and a half. So no equipment installed.

No. So what we have now is everything on site is done from there's two pipes in the basement. That's where the water comes in and out. So they're going to come in first. They ripe out the current air handler that's down there. Take out the oil drum and then they install the epoch and the new air handler. That's it. Uh at the same time, they're running the electricity from the room to that basement. When the more intrusive one is the one that goes up to the second floor, so they are going to go they are going to go into that office. They may open up a wall there. Um it's just that they can get outside and like go to the office side of work. I think I mean realistically it's good a couple days for everybody to get up and run.

Yeah. I mean you know these companies say expect a weekly so I got I think my serina did you have any concerns? No. Is the boiler coming out at the same time? Yes. Yes. The boiler, the two air handlers, the two outside air condensers, the old ones. And the oil of the run is coming out.

So, where's the new equipment going? By the boiler or by where is the new equipment installed? By the boiler or by the air handler? Um, so the air handler will be replaced like pretty much with the sides. Uh and the heat pump will be by where the boiler is basically. So the boiler has to come out right away. Yeah, that that's the first thing that they rip out. That's why but they can leave it off to the side. No, I just was I didn't know if everything was going in one location. They can rip the area and just get going on the new.

Yeah, I mean I'll do my best. I'm going to be here for it this time. I'll talk to them and explain but what was the uh electrician's uh quote yeah so it was 5900 uh just I think it was 5900 um and then for the running tally so we went under outside we have about $2,000 so we were under budget uh and we have the electricians which does qualify us for 40% so 40 it's about an extra 2,000 Uh where was the budget orig? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So it's good news. Um everything is going well. There's space in the breaker box which was the thing they always look for. So nobody threats there. And we are we're still working on the IRS uh tax forms. So that would be coming on online soon. Hopefully the forms should be offered soon hopefully. And then we have to wait until it's actually installed. I said before we can actually buy but I've got the accounts all set up with the IRS and um all set to go.

Great. And we got the final letters from the drillers that list the source of all material. So we're 100% Americanmade steel and we can trace back every piece of the installation which is an important piece of the IRS look. Uh so we should have everything in order that was everything legit. And so these funds are coming out of the money being covered. Yes. Okay. Yes. Who's removing the clothes?

That's a great question. That's what I'm talking to them about right now. So, they originally said that they were going to handle it. Like, great. But they also said the same about cleaning up outside and that was so nice. So, um talking to them later just saying all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's a master piece, but I'm literally having fun with them. soon. So, in terms of the the electric contractor, you would be the $5,900 or the actual 30% deposit. Yeah.

Correct. Um, so I make a motion to approve the electrical contract $5,900 issued the 30% deposit of $1,70. Second motion. All in favor? I Okay. So I can if we can get that to the electrician y then yeah anytime this week then we said it should be good to go hopefully next week. Perfect. Uh the next thing was getting one of you three to join our committee potentially. Uh we used to have Bob on the representative. I have solar panels electric car so I might as well do it.

Yeah. Yeah. I'll do it. Yeah. Perfect. All right. We meet uh a month late on Tuesdays at 1:30 p.m. here. 1:30. Yes. We have to change that. Uh amendment bounces every Tuesday. Ah okay. If one YouTube can do it or if not we can start changing we look at changing our times. I mean that's what works but who can talk with our committee? I'm also in Boston on Tuesday. Correct. Correct. Every Tuesday. Did you say not?

I mean, I work in London, so I'm sure we do coordinator. I'm happy to to be the truck. I was a part of mine. My dream my really gassing truck, but I mean, yeah, I blame it on sports. Um, no, I I would love to be part of it.

Okay, great. So yeah, not a problem because it's easier for the communication when we have some time sensitive pieces, but um the two weeks hasn't been working well for these markets. So uh and the last update I have for the solar, we're still tracking, we're almost at one year uh production, we are currently exceeding our production, which is great. So, our estimates are going to make us take the market and seated by our cargo, but I'm not going to say another wrong. Um, but that's going really well and we're selling our RBCs and we are not seeing any issues with the system at all. So, everything is optional.

Thank you. What was the uh what was the break even um a number of years of break even uh based off the current or the original estimate? Um of the solar, right? Solar. Yeah. Well, it was free. So, break even from day zero technically.

Okay. Uh well, it was $150 for the electrical connection fee, but if we were not going by those numbers, so at the time I bought it outright and with no rebates, it was $90,000. And we're going to be making I mean now with the price electricity it's a little crazy but we'd be making between8 and $10,000 a year. So 8 to n years. Okay. Um, so in terms of instead of getting REC's back, um, have we thought at all about battery systems or the idea of not pushing all the battering in line and actually utilizing more energy independence because that often they will save you more than RC would

its are they have nothing to do with it's sure um but yes to pay electrical bill because solar won't cover it right as soon as a breakdown need solar Yep. So um during the day when you have surplus instead of pushing it back in the fridge the idea is that you store right can yes the numbers you have don't make sense.

No okay we we run the numbers there is legislature now that will allow time use rates kind of like Texas California where customers will be able to sell back during peak uh periods. If that passes, then yes, batteries start to become more profitable, but we're still talking it's a long payback, but it doesn't offer that many benefits. You know, we had other benefits like if we needed for a shelter, if we didn't have a generator, um if there were other concerns, but it doesn't really make sense right now. Thank you. Yeah. What if we got a police cruiser that was electric? First conversation I have with me out there.

Yes. Thank you. Hi and volunt conservation. Um first of all thank you both to our new the new members for voluntary to appreciate you so much. Second I was also looking for a potential leazison because Bob has retired from the conservation commission. So, if anybody wants to sit in, it's the second Tuesday at uh 7:30. But if that doesn't, right? What's that?

Yes. Not um and but if that doesn't work for you all, I'm very happy to, you know, extend an update or everything is covered in the minutes and that is online. So, just let me know. I don't really have anything to report to you all, but I'm happy to take any questions. Did you see the heat earlier today? No, I did not. Okay. Um, the board is going to be making a motion on three lots rather than use change act. Okay. Um, the total of those three lots is 100,000. Wow. That will make our lives a lot easier. So, thank you so much.

All right. I got to nominate myself. All right. What do you have to do with me now? Beautiful. Thank you. Okay. I'm really the recreation committee with me as well. And Sarah is our Where are you, Sarah? You're already

Yes. Um I'm here tonight because we're working hard summer camp. It's a big deal. And we finally got a director, Ali McDible, who is a Kensington KS graduate. She's a teacher next and she's going to be living in Kensington as her parents and grandparents. So, she's an amazing fit. Um, we do I you know there used to be a time that we didn't have to come and just kind of let you guys know about things, but then they we were kind of required to come to these meetings. So, I don't know if this is something that I need to do, but anyway, we're asking um for her pay $23 an hour. Is that something we need to get okay by you guys? Is that how that goes? Yes. So the coordinator has been director pretty much on the show coordinator and all of both teachers and all is going to be hands-on every day Monday. So that's what we're asking for that. Um we also may need your approval of this. We have not raised our rates since precoid. So we'd like to go up $20. So what that means is for a resident uh the month of April is early registration. So for resident until May 1st it's $25 for the week, $225 after early registration. And for non-residents be 230 for early registration and it goes up to 250 on May 1st. So those that's another thing we need to get your okay on.

Um a couple questions. Um what was the rate hourly rate before? Um, so was it $23 as well? I think it was the director last year. It was $20. Was it 20? Oh, you mean lar I think it was 22. I think it was 22 last year. And then on the pricing, right? I've certainly sent my kids to the summer camp in the past. Um it seems a bit too low frankly. Um now like hey no no offense right now I'd love to make a pretty cheap camp but

yeah um you're so far underneath other camps that it almost seems uh last year as an example um when I said my kids it was this idea they're going to be doing some some sort of trips or or different things and and it never coalesed and um said well I'm paying so little I have no my expectations are generally low anyway right because paying so little fine Um, not not that that's I love the summer camp. Yeah, don't don't get me wrong, but um would a higher amount of tuition on a weekly basis allow the summer camp to have more opportunities?

Um, no about that. We do pull in a special summer once a week and we do pizzas on Fridays and things like that. This year is opening up. We get to go to Aloba one day a week. Really? Yes. So we'll be out there. Parents can be drawn. That's fantastic. Yeah. Very. It's fantastic. Yeah. So I, you know, last summer was a tough summer because we almost cancelled Rick. We just couldn't staff that director position. So hopefully this summer things will be much more organized. You know, maybe we'll be ready for the kids. But I don't know, Donna. Do you think raising that price is going to change the market?

No. I thought you were more talking that we need you to pay that director and co-director has to do but the children pay. No, I don't think it will make any difference. Yeah. I mean we we have you know we can farm equipment that we use to buy for the class. We get a special person once a week. You know that's all different kinds of things. Um they use the ice cream truck. So, I'm not sure we change. The thing about it is we get a lot of returning counselors and kind of got to go up a little bit. That's what fun.

Yeah. I mean, I would I would highly suggest thinking about raising the rate just be more than than $20. Um, also I think the differentiator between resident and out of out of resident um the different only $20 um that doesn't seem very high. I usually I I see like a $50 plus dollar difference at most other towns. Well, we better change it. I mean, and what's the um do we know what the ratio of in town versus out of town? We Yeah, I don't know the exact number, but I would say in camp we might have had four out of towns. It's not that. Got it.

I would just say that I know that there's a lot of families in town and there's a big focus on on affordability and costs. So, I think that there's a lot of families in town that that regardless of uh the the support or the the the the items that are available or the additional things that the kids can do, I think there's a lot of families that use that as a very affordable means to have child care while they're working throughout the summer. It is what I call an oldfashioned summer camp. It's not schools. The kids do crafts, they play in the fields. It's like I'm least in the way that but um my feelings are all gone. I think I'm sweaty and hot and ready to cool off. So

So right now that's the word we're presenting and we um I mean we go I don't know. I mean it's certainly $23 an hour. Inflation. Agreed. And I think say Jen's thoughts on the out of town maybe a slighter increase on that just I know some of the sports programs we've been fortunate to bring some out of town folks in as well like the basketball program and

right well so okay so pre-register it's 205 resident you want us to go that to go up for like 2505 or 245 right now we said we're going to go up $25 $25 between resident and I mean, if you come today, is there a surplus? Um, in cash, we spent pretty much everything we get. Well, normally we have a surplus. Last time it was until summer, maybe not. So, we're hoping to build that up.

Okay. Okay. And and so with the current numbers that you just provided, um the salary um increase the dollar would um staff you think it would take to to run it, would the increases of the tuition, that $25 cover it and then potentially generate a bit of a surplus? I know. I think so. What do you think? That's the judges. Are you Are we happy with the $25 difference between res? I think we're we're pretty okay with this. Okay. I mean, I kind of like Tom's point of affordability of keeping it nice and sort of low for the

I think the last year there was an issue, too, because like we weren't getting the camp. So, we had people registered later. We have an earlier start. We can probably get more more kids registering and more families. We have a terrible time coming, but ultimately Adam will come back here. Push that communication too. And then I would push over as much as possible. That's a huge win calling that out. That's very great. That was a great Okay, so we're going to go with that. We're getting the pens and we're getting that off to printers tomorrow. Um, what else? All right. Um, can you find us? Do we need to motion to approve the or just the individual?

Um, both. Okay. All right. We got the

Yeah. And then what was the uh so the tuition the early for a resident is $25. Yep. And starting May 1st it will be 225 and then for non-residents it's 230 early and starting May 1 will be 250.

Okay. Thank you. Um all right. So, I'll make a motion to appoint Alan McDougall as the summer camp director for 2026 session at paying $23 an hour for her immigration and then uh for overall fees um to attend. So, the early bird spent uh right now until May 1st is $25 per week for residents, non-residents 230 and for after May 1st look at 225 per week and 250 for non-residents. Excellent. Thanks so much. I second the motion. Uh, all in favor? I All right. And we also have a few appoint members to appoint to the committee as well. Yes, we did. Two additional members. Okay. Yes, sir.

So, we've got two additional members, Jessica Cody and Kate Desmond, and then a renewal for Jessica Mandala.

All right. I'll make motion to appoint the following people since recreation and social just coat Justin all win expiration dates of April 2029. Okay, just one last thing I do want to address and then I want to talk about but um I hear that you'll be discussing the graange and the use of the graange later the can when it rains or is it separately not we have used the range in the past

um so much that we work with emergency management commissioners for the range and it will be a bit of a hard for us to find because the library is too small. We'll end up if we can over at the elementary school, but we just kind of want to let you know that that range is kind of a nice place. Now, do we open it? It's all weather, but we didn't want to put that plug in there. And I think that's Can I ask in terms of you use the school as well, you said? And is that

we we could use the school. Okay. Sometimes there's uh things going on in it like painting and you know there working on the lights and things like that. So it all depends if that's but we will be um struggling a little bit especially on the hot days super yeah last last summer before very good but so then our campaign awesome thing month of of April is bike to some what is it called exactly bike bus

bike bus and she's got it organized such that different places throughout town neighborhood grows or whatever. There's one volunteer parent. The kids leave there with their bikes. They bike to school on Wednesdays. Parents in charge. And at this point, we're thinking we don't not exactly sure they're going to be biking. I think she's still working on volunteers for the home trip. Um this will go under we agreed to be going to wreck. And I think I said, did you get the permission slip that I send you Sarah? No, you didn't. I didn't do that. Oops. I did send. That's my details. Is that waver?

So assign a waiver, but I I'm sorry. I should have brought it. Um I just want to make sure the waiver covers us. It's the one we use for pretty much every Okay. And uh it's actually on the website. Okay. If you use the same one, yes, you should be fine. Well, that's where I'm starting. Um I want to make sure you switch it. Well, I don't know if we need to add anything to it. I did not. Okay. If we need to adjust that. Go ahead. So,

yeah, I think this is a a great initiative, right? Everyone talks about, you know, the community we used to have, right? This is building community for the modern age children that exists here right now. I think it's a great way to get the kids on the street, have bike safety, chief. I think you were in favor of this as well, making sure that everything's allially taken care of. I I think this is just I mean this has been proven to this has been rolled out in many many many cities and towns throughout the US now and had great adoption and great success.

I think it's a great great I appreciate police for jumping in. Absolutely right. Can I study real key to making it successful because little kids don't tend to go in a straight line on it? Well, I think we're good everywhere. One thing makes me nervous, but it won't be a long ride. So, you just need Sarah, I don't think that I'll pull it up. I'm sorry that I double checked tonight. I don't see it. Um, but if it's the same one that we Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And then maybe I can get back to you because I think they're going to want to get that going. Yes.

Having mentioned if it's one of the views before that we've had it reviewed by legal and then that should be sufficient. Um but if there's any questions we can reach out. So is there like safety like safety school right school? Do you support that? We all you don't have anybody trained in it. So it's okay. It's kind of one of those things I pay on training for a week. I think the class of Oh, wow. And we don't have so one of the trivia things when you got to go there with a bike. So they do a they do a fantastic bike on the elementary school. Okay. So they do a lot of kids. Thank you very much. And this this ride will lead right into their bike.

Oh, thanks. That was so really motivating. Thank you. Okay. Thank you.

Um, one of the when we were at the at the meeting last week, um, maybe we could get that electronic sign like giving people a heads up the day before that morning there. Yeah, we can do that. need the heads and make sure they're charged. It's the next day when you get all you got to do is put that you want because spelled correct. So make sure you spell right and I'll put the disclaimer if it says happy birthday S. you doing? Uh, I don't know if we have a to start date yet. Well, I think she wants to start April, but that's like next week. So, okay. She want to do every Wednesday.

Okay. But we need to get out. I don't know if we can get it going by Wednesday. Well, not this be the next week. Next Wednesday. Yeah. Okay. So, how how that slip waiver be distributed? That's okay.

Yes. It's a good use that move forward. We need to get you guys think that that permission looks okay. I'll get it to school and we can try to get that. Yeah, it's just a standard

We're good. We're good. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. I think that's everybody. Anybody else from committees or any other Thank you. So moving into uh new business then road use permit you both details. No parent but you got anything that but the ALC one I did better

right. Do you feel conf he called me today? Okay. and said that he would not but I didn't know he said that he said tomorrow I call I can ask when we got paid for that last year like how far out the race was people we got paid it's right on the these two companies I don't think I had issues with it's my nose the other ones I'm [ __ ] with so okay we could conditionally approve it um pending ing the payments received. Yeah, I think that's the switch works.

Oh, sorry. Okay. All right. So, ALS is good. All right. I'll make a motion to approve the road per therapy institute for a cycle event on Saturday, June 27th, 2026. Second. Okay. I would say we depended if you want the other one and I'll confirm all we don't want put off too long they mess up their schedule. So that's it. That's it. So conditionally would mean that they would get this approval. It wouldn't go to them until we confirm essentially verbally could be okay.

Yeah. I think I think the second sign and I sign of it. Yeah, we could do it that way. All right. That makes sense. All right. So, I'll motion to conditionally approve the permit for the use of the town road to ride New England 6, 2026 once the deposit is received for the approval.

I motion. Henry is fantastic. Okay, we next here is need to reappoint Michael Schwitzer to deputy treasurer and then you did the red ones already. Okay, the rest of them there.

Thank you. back. All right.

Zoning board and All right. Shall All right. So, I'll make a motion to appoint Michael Schwitzer to the position of deputy treasurer having the There we go. I second that motion. All in favor?

All right. So, appointments for planning board. Make a motion to appoint the following people as full members of the planning board. Carl Carly Finn and Mary Smith both having terms expiring April 2029. All in favor? I was just kidding. Senator Okay. For the zoning board, I make a motion to appoint Janet Nolan Banell to the zoning board of adjustment as a full member having an expiration date of April 2029.

All right, we are at the conservation. All right. Um I make a motion to appoint the following people to the conservation commission as all members having an expiration of April 2029. Emma Holland, Hinder Roberts Petta, Sam. Hi. Hi.

Um and it was asked by the planning board to make an additional plug while we have folks in the room here. They are seeking additional members as the zoning board. So folks are looking for a way to get involved. Most those are opportunities that we would love to have people step up in the future for the audit management.

Y this is the management letter presentation for the art the 24 25 Please approve. Oh, sure.

All right. I have paper. So, you're going to get a motion. Um, I motion to approve Tom Alban to sign the management representation letter for the auditors.

I second our motion. All in favor? Go all the way motion final assignment. Yeah. I got the last uh we got discussion on road increase in the deposit restrictions, Right. We had discussed that um the last meeting

and that is a policy. So we would have to rework that whole policy before we could change any fees on that. So if we want to take the road policy and just look at it and see how to reward it and we could have public hearings um and change it at that point. Okay. Sounds great.

Well, that's because it's

what we have to change that number. Yeah. That one is 232 of immigration as voted.

Yeah. So this is the report um that goes to the state on what was voted in. So after the election, I go back into the portal that we have with the DRA and have to say whether an order pass or fail. Um and at that point it gets recorded on the machines. Um that gives us the total. Yeah, we have that. Y sign.

Mhm. We need a motion to approve. Yeah, I do. Okay. I have a motion to the 2026 MS232 form. I second that motion. All right. I Uh, we got veterans credit.

Okay. What the other? Yes. This is supposed to include um Yeah. This is a motion to approve veterans grant from map 12 lot 2-1 for a veterans credit th

all in favor Yeah. And we already talked about the HVAC electricians. Yes, we did. And then anything from the old business section today? No. Okay.

And then we just need to go through the rest of the the duties. Um, if you want to go through the rest of these, that would be great. And there's a few different sheets. So, if you guys want to chat, so you can know which I just started. going on. You guys have already managed that down. I suppose. So it says duties that include fall budget board articles. Yeah, I suppose.

Yeah. And that's right. Road manager is

I made it to that one. I have strong feelings. So I have no feelings. Yeah. The budget is pretty much the whole board. And so the the whole sort of the ones that are noted as liaison. So road manager, police, fire emergency. Um it was in the past year it's been kind of a a point person as opposed to meeting. So if an issue comes up, they know they don't have to call for you as they know the designated person to call.

Yeah. I mean, I think I could volunteer to do the police and the fire emergency seem to be somewhat related in terms of support needs and seems like someone would be continuity of of both. Makes sense. Sure. Okay. Perfect. Who's going to manager? Did we skip that one? We don't. Okay. I can do that. Perfect. Thank you. Is Sarah at the back? I know we have I'll do the trust. I'll take that.

Okay. I'm also if I'm happy to stay with Rick. I'm also happy to give that up if folks are, you know, excited about it. Um especially those if you both have kids and things. Um either way, it's going to change. something like being involved with a lot anyway and Tom's outlying.

Yeah, I think this would be again just a a contact. So if there was something that came up who the design person is I do my management allies officer I was generation took for that all the time there's not really that Yeah.

It's pretty much if we have something that goes forward and we talk to pretty much between Thanks. Why don't you take my group because I'm already working

library? Okay, that might be a lot this year. Yeah, sorry. I have I have thoughts. I have feelings.

Who was the energy? Did we have that yet? Thoughts? Okay. My problems. Um I'm happy to do you feel take traffic. Yeah. Pretty much just turned over. So you should go smooth, right? Yeah. But I can see that tag somebody else in or something. So function. Yeah, absolutely.

But I think there's a lot of synergy between all start. Yeah, I think that works great. Thank you. Thank you. That was that was very painless. Um could you follow the last one and say

um I think that's a word. Um, land use change tax. Okay. Yep. So, good. So, you can approve all of the land use change taxes at once. Um, I have the map and lots here. They're the lots off of Molton Bridge and Hill.

Okay. Um, and then what we did is so that Carlen can send the bills out, we're going to date it for the first of April, which is Wednesday. Um, as long as you're okay with that for that, it just lines up. So when people pay, it's 30 days. We just got to make sure it depends on that she's here. So that's the the explanation for the date. Okay.

All right. I will place a motion to approve the three lots to be removed for current use. Uh 11-46 at 20 Hillard that's mayor road 11-46-2 21 golden bridge and 11-46-1 which is 22 billard road that motion Hi. And then I have this in my pocket. Does this uh do you know we have a mechanical permit application? Is this a study?

I'm sorry. That we're good. Okay. Yep. Yep. We're good with that. Um the next one is going to be for the data 2025 municipal assessment data certificate. So, um, Avatar goes through and we have sales that happen in the town and the portal that it all goes into online and those are the sales that the information is based on. Um, and the board has to sign off

this I think I you sent this out in an email and it shows what it sold in their assessed and the percentage can be. Yes. Yeah.

Most of them I had noticed were quite there was only one that I noticed that was over um like most of the assessments were quite close that the odds of it being sale price lower than assess is very rare. He said that three, four, four of them. Five of them, which to me makes me wonder five out of how many are selling under assessed value? I mean I it makes me it does make me honestly wonder is the market volatility so high that we are that the market is losing value or did we just over assess things and come

um we can we can bring it to the chap's attention for sure. He's he's doing the pickups and everything right now. Yeah. I mean was there like an overall like how he's I didn't see like how he's averaged out. I notice the percentage plus there ratios ratios of everything one or over means all which for me is is wild and still a rather rather market

and what's the state we have what's the recommendation we got to say the percentage to the ratio of things that yeah close to is there like a benchmark or stand like a you know an industry standard where like this is what the the goal to achieve is obviously it's close to 100 but I'm just wondering how we compare it to to neighboring communities they should pretty much I think a lot of them have gone through their reevaluation recently So I think that we're all pretty much around the 200 mark.

Pay attention to the time to make sure that we're not over assessed. I know it's been a real pain point for quite a few and next it's due in that right? Yeah. Two years pass. What is that? Talk to Chad or you can ask any questions whenever you want. It's a good All right. Thank you. Yeah, that's great. He's he's um he's pretty pretty good. All right. Well, I mean, this is just we're pro saying that we know the data exist, correct?

Yes. Okay. Well, in that case, um sign the 2025 municipal assessment data certificate. I second the motion. Hi. Hi. So, this is what the board is looking at right now, which is death. So, if you look at the ratio column, that is the ratio that tells you anything that's below one. So, it is sold over possessed one and over

is under assessed. which either means we need to talk to realtors about assessed values and then put on the market here or assess expect this to be almost all

let's just say contraction which I really doubt based on the set values I think it's something we should probably dig into time just to make sure that these numbers don't continually There's a question in the back. It's a very interesting physical. Yeah.

I I like to go back to the new stats for a minute. Sure. Um, you know, with the transparency that I stood up at the deliberate session and I was criticized by Norway Road. I was criticized by a number of people who said that conservation commission is nicely done for transparency purposes. I think the discussion should have been that $100,000 is going to the conservation fund. The way this was worded, no one's ever going to know unless they dig into the transfer that $100,000 is going to conservation fund. And it was brought up into deliberate session that $100,000 was going to this conservation fund. and they basically looked at the audience and said we don't get that amount of money. So I think the the minutes of this meeting should reflect not only did you vote but the amount of money that is going to be transferred to the fund for transparency purposes. No argument here sir. Okay.

I think we covered that in the motion specifically. No, I didn't. Did I ask? You just said you just said a lot and the transfer.

That's certainly my apology and u I'm not trying to be I'm not trying to normal saying is for transparency purposes and for the the citizens group getting together. They should know that the conservation fund is is giving you that amount whether what fund I here talking about the conservation fund no matter what money is transferred to a a fund the amount of money should be visible. So I'm not saying you're playing a different No will admit this is my second second time up here and so my motioning skills are only improving. So I appreciate the feedback.

I've been here five years. I appreciate the feedback. Yeah, I'd like to amend the minutes to include the cost of $100,000. Is there a second? I get that. So, I'm going back to that graph you just set out there. You're saying that properties are not achieving their assessed value. So doesn't also tell me you're over properties are over assess that's my general anything that's in so what are we doing about

the acknowledgement of that was so that document that came up was just to acknowledge sale prices and what heard um that was hardwise so every five years some talent is required to do a full revaluation and that's when you know they go out to certain houses and they they do that. It's done every 5 years to make sure that we're staying up to date on things. And my understanding is if something came in grossly under, we're seeing something. One dollar is gross. Okay. That's your definition of it. What I'm saying is that if there's if it hits a certain point, the state will say to us, "We need to do it sooner." I don't know what that trigger point is.

That should be like alarm bells going off of that desk. The people are paying too much. Their properties are being overt taxed. So that was what Ian and I just started to think. But are you going to take action on it? Yes. All we gonna say no, it's we still got three years to run on an assessment. So where's the urgency? Yeah. Know just just gave us Chad's information said he's available to chat in the time. So we do plan to follow up with him on that.

And when will we hear back? That's a that's a special item cuz that's the crux of the matter in this town. This sheet as well might be that there was some kind of relation to the property. It It's considered a it's not considered a relative sale to like if if I was to sell to my daughter, I'm not going to sell it to her for the price that it's assessed at. Do you know what I mean? So if there was some kind of regulation or agreement between the parties, we don't know about.

It's pretty consistent. It's consistent through those transactions. Correct. I I looked at I think that there are some that sold over, some that sold under, some that sold for the exact amount. Yeah. So the overall ratio is coming out at something like.9 598. I don't have you mentioned as I mentioned the uh the over and under the 1.00. So as you explain it, we should be aiming for 1.00 means that ideally exact value. Correct? Yes. Okay. Okay, so the mean if

it looks like we were mean was 95 and median was 94 or maybe had it backwards but we were still as a overall community town selling higher than assessed value although you can see under certainly right one sold for 300,000 over and some sold for you know significantly less look at that 475 sale from the team. It's not right. So I guess maybe to sorry but following up on that um for curiosity sake what does the select board have for the power to do other than to have a conversation with uh Jack what what are levers we pull what do we what questions we ask what is

you can ask anything come to a meeting if you wanted to um they work with so you have hired them to okay so you're you're fine to be able to do any kind of test you want in county I would imagine that there's other you know state approved assessors that the town could speak to as well to get quotes on you know there's

yeah the state does go back this is another reason why they do this um the state comes out and actually when they find out who they've gone to, the state will go behind them and they score them um to see if they are within what they think the value should be and usually following up on these numbers as well and monitoring sale prices. Yeah, this is this is a state document. Yeah,

I mean I would be curious if the SC if given enough due notice um folks would be curious to check is someone who was respons their their property to understand the approach I think that's something where people just don't quite know where that benefit comes from other than it's always too high every time right I've never heard anyone say you assess my house too low assess it never happened or never going to happen so I'd be really I think that would be an interesting initiative, right? Everyone want everyone wants transparency and communication, right? So, let's have the first to

and and I would say, sir, I think we got a very fair call out and you know, I'm sure that you pulled a lot of the residents in town and you said asked when the last time that somebody who assessed their home was that they actually came into the home. I think those would be good questions to ask Avatar and Chad and and understand that they're using to derive their their their home assessment values especially when not entering homes. So I think you you got very fair questions. I would say to you know for the board we you just started to discuss this. So I think there is urgency. We just we need to formulate a a plan and you know and that's not going to happen in the next 30 seconds. But I think that you absolutely will deserve a followup and you know you'll hear about our plan and how we're planning you know to to approach it but I don't think we're going to figure that out.

No and I I do I do appreciate that. Sorry. I do appreciate that but I don't have confidence in the board. I came to the meeting two weeks ago to talk about the library budget. You're dealing with that library budget. The board had not done their due diligence and Bob Sullivan and somebody else said I had fair points. But it's like the dog barks in the caravan example. I want the assurances that you two guys are going to do something about it. You're going to be active. You're going to be fiscally responsible because it's just you. It's just not there. I haven't got confidence in you guys. Please prove me wrong. Yeah. I I would say that, you know, I'm a believer that, you know, that's something that you earn. So, it'll take time. you know, trust is not something that's just handed over lightly. So, I think you've, you know, I'd like to use this as an opportunity that I can promise you that that speaking for myself, the the the fiscal responsibility of this town and and the the cost to the residents is is a a huge reason and motivator as to why I got involved. And my my campaign may not have been making Kensington affordable again, but does not mean that my approach is the opposite and to make it unaffordable. I've got three boys. have a future in this town. I moved here. I'm I'm the first one that witnessed town taxes raising, you know, quickly. So, it it's, you know, you're not alone, right? The board, I'm a resident. I'm I'm I'm experiencing the exact same things.

Thank you. And it's important and I am a realtor and I've been involved with a lot of those houses up there. And what I tend to find is that the low price tend to be overassessed. The ones in the middle seem to be okay and the ones on the high end are definitely underassessed by a huge amount. And you see the difference that they closed at. I'll just point out that the one that is um it was assessed for 514 and it sold for 475. That was a very old house and it was a lot of deferred maintenance and it didn't have so much bird maintenance and a th00andg oil tank you know so so a lot of them were not far what Kathy was trying to say. So the middle range is pretty good. The high end is kind of ridiculous. And the low end some of them are definitely and and another point to that too is Tom said, you know, if they've actually been in defer and opt out of having Avatar come into the home, they usually assess it at your highest and best. So without them knowing what is inside the home that's that's the wrong news.

And that's what I said. I think it's important that you have have them here to to understand what they they how they drive that number when they're not in there. You know, they're assuming updates, but they were not made. You know, that's that's a fair call. tried to say, "No, I just can't." Um, so thank you for asking the question on the home evaluation. Uh, I know that I'll be just ridiculously transparent. were like for us, we moved here 6 years ago, bought our house and the price that we bought in Florence has now been evaluated at more than double that. And so here we are in a 1976 house with original doors, windows, flooring, kitchen, bathrooms, you name it. And we're evaluating in excess of 1.2 million. like

so 20% of our combined income last year went to Kensington taxes which was pretty

uh so I really just wanted to say thank you for asking the question and for for proating your continued service Yeah. Next thing is Bills Jen. I don't know if you wanted to. Did you have any other questions? Um the Broadway B road there was a statement at the last meeting on on the uh agenda. The right away has been on the agenda for a number of months and there was a statement made by one of the board members here that is no longer sitting here um and was talking about cutting trees on the right way and stonewalls from the right way. And basically his statement was, "You can't restrict me from cutting trees on me right away." And I think there's a lot of people in town. I think there's people that that sit on the planning board that think that's a correct statement. It's not a correct statement. There's a Supreme Court case that is the gold standard for clearing boards. Basically saying it was in Canada and the developer wanted to cut trees on the right away which

basically Canada follow what the RSA said and what the zoning ordinance said and says no you can't breathe. The case went to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court found in Candia's favor that they have the right on the town's right away to tell at development what they can cut and what they can't cut. And um I think that I read the minutes of the meeting and they talked about rewriting the zoning ordinance for cutting on a scenic road. I'm sorry. It's right away on a scenic road. And I think if that's the case, I think the planning board should bring in the Heritage Commission and I think they should also bring in the historical society to have some say on what what their visions of a scenic road is, whether it's a stone wall or whether it's a tree and how we maintain the rural character of this time. Now in f I know people are going to say well it affects you. I it it doesn't but it affects the town as a whole. If we want to maintain a rural cavity this time, we should not let someone come in and clear cut it and then basically say, "Oh, we can enforce that because we cannot tell them what to cut on their own property." That's true in an essence

that once you go beyond that right away, you can't control what they want on that right away, you can control what they cut and you can control what they do to the stone walls. So I think in the future I think the board of selectment heritage commission and I know the historical society is not part of the the organization of town but all ought to work together to come up with a zoning ordinance that would protect the interest of people that live on the road. So, I just wanted to correct what one of the board members said at the last meeting and I hope you seriously added select to the planning board. Take this as a serious issue. And if you want to see what can happen, take a ride down M Ridge Road. and just said they came in, came in fleeted by the whole road. And you know, people say to me, well, that's going to be $1.8 million house and that's going to increase the value of my house. That's not that's not the issue. It's to maintain the character of this town. I've lived in this town 50 years. I can remember when dirt roads were in this town. I remember going up M Ridge Road. I live in the neighbor's farm in the field. It it you can understand why they designated it as a seed or or hilly road. Go down Hilly Road on the left hand side.

It's all forest. the the pressure of development in this town is incredible when you're talking $350,000 a lot. So what we're going to see in the future is, you know, everybody says conservation, but the pressure is conservation is not going to compete with the development. And I think what we need to do is just kind of step back and take a look what we want this town to look like and then develop an ordinance that will protect the interest of the town and the neighbors in that town. There's one house that sits right in the middle of that. And Gino, you know what I'm talking about. It it it's a travesty what they did to that that that house and it it it probably shouldn't happen but it it but let's move on into the future and protect what's going on into the future. And let me say one thing. I'm not pointing at the planning board saying you didn't do duty job. I'm not going to get any member that's sitting over on this side. You didn't do your job. It was an interpretation of an ISA and no one looked at the court case and how it affected the ISA. And so in essence, let's move on and protect what's left of Hill and any other city. Thank you.

Thank you. I I do think getting them involved in that conversation would be helpful. And I just want to clarif I don't think that the I think the question was that was to clarify the zoning ordinance. I don't know that they were saying that they needed to change it one way or the other. I think when we got three different interpretations of the same one, some clarity across the board and getting different entities involved in that conversation would be good. Can I say one thing? The zoning ordinance is a pretty clear. It basically says if it's a scenic road and you're doing construction, you need approval from the planning board or a consent to cut and you need to hold a public meeting. You can put that in full pile and say, "I'm a 5-year-old. Explain it to me." It will give you the same same reading that that is the zoning ordinance. It's it's clearcut. It says basically if you cut a tree or trees want to cut trees, the independent planning board and the planning board meets up public hearing and then a consent needs to be signed for that right away for the number of trees to be. So in and and the court case basically reiterates the RSA and basically the Supreme Court said to the lower courts this is the case you need to follow if if the facts and circumstances are the same don't bring it back to the Supreme Court because we're going to find the way we found for community. So, it's it's black and white and it's a 2001 court case to the Supreme Court. It's never been challenged and there's a

number of planning boards that have cited that court case for a denial or a limited timeline right away. So, and I can we've talked to I know we've had some back and forth and I've sat in conversations with the planning board and I feel like it's it's a circular conversation at this moment because there does need to be some clarity made. So, I just want to acknowledge I think getting other folks involved in that conversation is good and continuing and working towards clarifying that going forward is a great step. But in the interest of time, we are almost approaching 9:00 and I don't think we're going to solve it tonight.

Okay. That's the only thing the last thing I'm saying is uncomfortable then tell have them go to council with with that case and say how is that applied to us and council will come back and give you an opinion and then you can develop your zoning ordinance from that. Sorry. Yes. Mr. Yeah. Yes. We just need to do the the top page, the garbage. So, You guys

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mosquito control. They wanted to put this out for the town. Just giving them a little bit of background on what they're going to be doing. I just wanted to make sure that those things This CS Fire LLC first installment form is a reimbursement. specific just

um I also got anation from um Frank Whitenborg about having um the librarians the gra instruction Um, I don't know what that's going to look like for summer camp either. So, I just wanted you to be aware that that is a possibility and maybe being like, you can find I know a little bit more. Sorry. the um the Grange trustee

uh Frank Woodmore sent me an email about the use of the li the library using the graange during construction so that people don't have to be in the library at specific times. Um, but yeah, I've heard that they think that construction can go faster if they can shut down parts of the library so that they're not working around. So, I just wanted you to be aware of that too with with the um center camp be able to use it either, right?

So, that's going to hinder that as well. and the popup shops that all as well as popup shops and the shop that they wanted to do long term. Yeah. Yeah. That one. Do we have to talk about it? You said something. Um Yeah. Do you have dates that you can schedule another meeting um to meet with the Grange trustees to discuss the mercantile I guess is what they're calling it. Um Is that like general? Yeah. Yeah. When do they usually meet their

um they meet for they don't know if they're done? I was just curious on the agenda that we to talk about the grand least. Is that not being talked about? I think it's actually um we were going to schedule a time for the board to meet with the grustees and have a combined meeting to discuss the use of the bridge longterm or longterm. So would that be to the public? Oh yeah.

And anytime does the board have any information on board voted range? Yes, I I have the application. Yeah, the court said, right? Yeah, it's not supposed to cost the town. That's why the the maintenance is put out the war article to see what Thank you.

with the default funds as well. um the lawn maintenance would the cemetery was going to exceed their budget. So I talked to Jackie in the cemetery and said that maybe if we could split the funds this year in the town really doesn't have all that much renewal. It's mostly the cemetery that costs going around. Uh, so we would think of a way to split the split the bill differently so that they don't run out of money. Um, she was kind of concerned about that for how much was the town unfortunately budget.

I I have enough in there, but I mean there are other areas that I wouldn't have money either. And the elections are going to be there's two elections without budget which is expensive. So I'm not sure what that means. Um, so we'll just have to see when we get closer to the end of the year, we may talk to our department heads a little bit more

um and see what we need to do as we need to hold spending or um yeah, it's just a decision. It's just something to watch. Okay. Yeah. There was one more thing. Sorry. That is u a grant that that's like a letter of intent. So when you have a grant, it was just an example because I know we were talking about grants. I just wanted you to have an example of a letter of intent.

Okay. Um, just so you can see what goes into it with project. I did have a complaint from someone about the trash and recycling changes. Um, they emailed the town, which I'm thankful for. Um, I I like to have people contact us. We don't monitor Facebook. Um, so they were they were upset with the notification in the way that they went out. Um, and she was worried about shutins and that that's a valid concern. Um, Elm did call me today and we're Castella didn't come and pick up the trash carts today like they had originally decided to. They're going to be out picking them up tomorrow.

Mine's gone. Oh, three. Okay, good. Good. Good. Oh, that's fair because earlier when you called me, they hadn't they don't know. I think they were for the space or something because they entry to not pick them all up. So, okay, perfect. So, ELM is actually going to take the barrel up to the garages so that they're not mistakenly the ones that are left aren't mistakenly going to be taken by. So, they're going to actually put them as close to the home as they can. Okay.

Um, I have a question. But the only correspondence I can see is that they're going to be measurable savings. There's no numbers mentioned. So by changing this system, what does the board say we're going to save? What are you putting on the line? And how much money we save by changing? So, compared to if we had kept to sell them, their three-year contract would cost us $189,000 in the exact number, but roughly $189,000 more over that three-year contract period than than going to ask the same question because I thought part of communication change management should probably include the cost savings to let people know exactly. So I think what we could do in the future is to capitalize on the boot work of saving the town's people money and letting folks know,

right? So if we're going to do recycling every other week, which is arguably less uh less amenities than we have now, okay, and we have to bring our cardboard to the town. Okay, that's it. Okay, so what do I like as a town person, my initial reaction was, well, okay, what's in it for me? So I I hear there's money savings. How what does that mean? And so then I thought, all right, when I think of buying myself a 65gallon recycling bin, that's going to cost me money. Okay, but then when I actually looked at the dollar figure and I came out, I said, well, I literally everyone in town is sent me up to go buy multiple multiple recycling cans as they want. Um, and so I I do think part of communication, change management would probably include these types of things in the future so that you really understand the impact. Great. You need some victories. So you're saying it's about 60 grand a year, 190. I was reading more.

So years 19 380 30 Yes. 625. So what is that number? What's the per 6,000? But that's just 6,000. No, cuz that's because isn't that just the like the flat rate? Then there must be recycling here too. Yeah, that's just monthly cost. Yeah, definitely. Yes. Yeah. It's at the very top in our column F there. You can see the 189 in three years. So about 60 a year.

Yeah. So I would just say that you know the gentleman who came in to speak about the AI thing. I mean I I thought of him he he when he was speaking I immediately thought of the email you had thought in one of the you know that that there could be some some help where you know that kind of software could make it easier for folks who have difficulty searching the site.

Yeah. There's also something coming into play by 2027. All of the documents, the PDFs, anything that's posted on your website has to be to um handicap accessible. So, it has to be able to read your PDFs and we are not compliant with this woman. We have a little um the add thing that we did add to the website to help but it's not it's not so that's something that's coming forward that's going to give you another box. So we have this little guy that does this for people.

Um but it doesn't reappear that help you be able to see it better. So that is something that's going to be coming within the next five years. That's something we should prepare for.

And that's it. That's it. That's good.

Do we um Yeah. Nice to meet you. you. It's up to you. I'm here. Okay.

I've been here since 6:30. Um, you want to listen to our next meeting first for folks that are here and then move into nonholic. Yep. Um, so we have scheduled for April 20th, right? And then going forward from there,

the country and my travel stops like summer time. We're going to apply any second usually doing the first and third I guess. Is that right?

That's so then we looking at the fourth Can you promote? Yes. Okay. Promotions. 22. So, April 20th, May 4, and then the next one will be the 18th. Actually, I'm not even leaving Boston.

Oh, sorry. No, that's okay. Or to a different day of the week.

Yeah. Nothing's on there except your trust and feeling what I think. 13th is not available for the 20th that those two would have those two days. So if we look at if we want to

12 should be the I think that's the conservation commission and should we wait on the second the second Tuesday. Yeah, I should make this. Yeah, I think it's better. I can't make this because I can't make you do that. Uh, just kidding.

I I stay as Yeah, stay as well. Yeah, I can do the six. Okay.

Okay. Wednesday is usually the planning work. Okay.

Tomorrow. Okay. We want to do like the 11th and the 25th Friday. Um, I don't know if we're going to get trying to we're trying to get the two potatoes. It's good for Bill and for the department because I mean they got to come too. So, do you guys have anything going on today? Yeah. Okay. Oh, I'm sorry. Is it six?

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Six. I mean, we can do some more after that if you want. That's fine. I mean, um, in if you find other things that work in your schedule, we can read it. I can go back to the 18th. Monday. All right. And then do you have another day in April that would be able to leave the filming? Yeah. Um,

are they anything I mean before I do this? The 6th and the 13th of those those weeks are a little crazy for me just cuz I do those two back one. Okay. Like the week of the 20th first, April 20. I'll see if they can make it. What time?

This is on April 21st. Yep. It's flexible. We just if we just we wait till Aiden gets back from Boston after 6. Okay. Do you want to do Saturday or do you want 7:00 p.m.? Okay. Okay. 7 p.m. for Will that be here? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. When are we? It's a Tuesday. 20th May 6th. Our next person.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yep. So, somebody wants to make a motion to move into the non-public. Yeah. I will make a motion to go to the non public. Um, you want to do for which reason? Same again. All right. I like the motion to enter non-public under section RSA uh 91-31 D plus L. Yeah. DNL. DNL. There we go. D and L. Got it. Have you finished the account illustration? you finish that section? Yeah, I think so.

I keep hearing your mumblings back there. So, I do have a question on that and then I'll leave the room. So, the first item there is discussion of job duties and new board members. Do you have duties, responsibilities and accountabilities? Is there a job description for the board members? Uh there's a they have a responsibilities um document that's on the website. So, I can access it here. Yeah. Who assessed Who assesses the performance of the morning?

You don't have an annual review of your performance. You don't get KPIs. No. So, that needs to change. Well, they don't have anybody to report to. How can you apply for a job selecting when there's no job description? You don't know what job you've got. It doesn't make sense. That needs to be changed. Anyway, the statute

policies and procedures, right? So they got meeting rules and procedures scheduling agendas procedures. No no job description yet. No see there's no accountability.

Yeah. All right. a uh responsibility could be part of a job description here on the website. Thank you. Yeah, thank you.

Did we I think we all said we did. Yeah. have to do with every second.