Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Welcome to the Maricopa County Planning and Zoning Commission, meeting. It is 03/05/2026 at 09:30 in the morning. We'll begin a roll call.

Commissioner Dan Zeissen? Commissioner Finter?

Here.

Vice chair Hernandez?

Here.

Commissioner Lawrence?

Here.

Commissioner Layton? Commissioner Lindblom? Chair Mulhavan? Here. Commissioner Rockwallick?

Here.

Commissioner Thoma? Commissioner Whitney?

Here.

Madam Chair, we have a quorum.

Thank you. This meeting has been noticed in accordance with open meeting law, ARS 38,431. Agendas are available within twenty four hours of each meeting in the Maricopa County Planning and Development Office and are also available on the planning and development website one week prior to hearing at www.maricopa.gov/planning. Staff reports prepared for each agenda item shall become a part of the permanent record for each case. With respect to hearing process, cases will be considered in the order they appear on the agenda unless otherwise agreed to by the commission.

For each case, the applicant will be given a set amount of time to present. Anyone wishing to speak in a particular case shall fill out a speaker's card for in person attendance or raise your hand in the GoToWebinar. The amount of time allowed for speaking shall be at the discretion of the commission chair. Staff will provide the chairman with the names of persons who have registered and noted a desire comment and those registered participants who have raised their hand. The chairman will call on each named participant one at a time.

The chairman will conduct the hybrid in person and virtual public meeting according to the bylaws and according to the rules established by the chairman regarding public comment. Votes will be done by roll call only. The chairman will verbally identify the specific members responsible for all motions and seconds. Thank you. So first order of business. We have minutes from 01/22/2026, and 02/05/2026. Any comments from the commissioners? Hearing none, the minutes are accepted. Continuance agenda, we have one item.

Madam chair, members of the commissioners, SU 20 Five-thirty 2 known as Herman's Tank Sales in District 3, For the record, it's a special use permit for septic and water tank sales in Row 43 on a two and a half acre site at the north east of the Northeast Corner Of 17th Avenue in Yearling in the North Phoenix area. There is both support and opposition for this case. The applicant has requested an indefinite continuance. Therefore, actions necessary by the board today. There will be a new public notice before this is rescheduled for public commission hearing.

Thank you. Moving on to the consent agenda.

Madam chair, commissioners, there are three items on consent today. S U 250033 known as 201 South Crimson Park models in District 2.

It's a modification of conditions to a special use permit for RV park in the R 18 zoning district. This is specifically to allow park models, that were previously prohibited by, condition of the special use permit, but are permitted by ordinance. It's a two and a half acre site north of the Northeast Corner Of Chrisman And Broadway in the East Mesa area. There's no known opposition. The recommendation paragraph 21 is for approval.

Subject conditions a through I. Second item is, z twenty five zero zero two four known as Hedgic South in District 5. This is an amendment to the industrial to IUPD zoning, for 690 acres south of Lower Buckeye and Harquihala Valley. There's no known opposition. The recommendation in paragraph 14 is for approval subject to conditions a through I.

And then finally, z twenty five zero zero three zero known as Clean Harbors Industrial in District 5 is an industrial three I p IUPD rezoning of 10.4 acres north of the northwest corner of 75th Avenue and Lincoln Street in Tolleson. There's no known opposition. Recommendation in paragraph 20 is for approval, subject conditions a through h. Happy to try and answer any questions you may have on the consent agenda.

Thank you. Commissioners, any questions or comments about items on the consent agenda? Hearing none, I'll entertain a motion.

Chair Millhaven, this is Vice Chair Hernandez. I recommend approval of consent agenda as presented by staff.

Second.

A motion to recommend approval by Vice Chair Hernandez and seconded by Commissioner Rockwalla.

Commissioner Finther?

Yes.

Vice chair Nimbus?

Yes.

Commissioner Lawrence?

Yes.

Chair Milhaven? Yes. Commissioner Rockwallick?

Yes.

Commissioner Whitney?

Yes.

Chair, we have a motion recommending approval of the consent agenda by a vote of six to zero.

Thank you. Moving on to regular agenda, we have case SU two 50041, Event Space At Gamble Field.

Thank you, madam chair and members of the commission. S U 250041 is a request for a special use permit for an outdoor event venue known as the Event Space At Gamble Field on approximately eight acres of a 19 acre site in the rural 43 zoning district at approximately 331st Avenue and Lower Buckeye in the Tonopah area. The application proposes events for up to 400 people for up to sixty days a year, but the application has also indicated that most events will be under a 150 people with occasional ticket event events reaching max capacity. The application proposes a 160 parking spaces to accommodate guests. The application does not propose any permanent infrastructure improvements, including water or sanitary connections.

As of printing of the handout memo, staff received 366 letters of support for the proposed facility. Staff has only received one letter in opposition for the proposal. A neighbor to the north who only requests additional screening. Ultimately, as stated in the staff report, staff does not object to the proposed use of an event venue on the property. Staff's recommendation of denial in the staff report is based on a review of the infrastructure improvements proposed with the site development. Staff has provided additional conditions of approval for consideration that would address issues with the infrastructure and intensity of the use should the applicant be amenable to reduce scope. With that, I would

be happy to take any questions you may have. Thank you. Commissioners have any questions? In that case, we'll hear from the applicant. Thank you. I understand you have quite a few slides. How much time would you like?

Good morning. I'm very nervous.

That's okay. You don't mind.

Promise? Oh. Okay. However much time the commission feels is is necessary, I I do think that we can go through it pretty quickly. Like, the last segment of slides are only if you need a better perspective of the field, and there's, like, 30 of those. So we probably won't actually use those unless you need better perspective.

Is ten minutes enough time?

I think so. Okay. If I could save a little bit for rebuttal at the end if

there Absolutely. Absolutely. We'll bring you back again. Okay.

I'm very nervous. Okay. For the record, Jane Pifer. I am the applicant on this proposal. And so if we can go to the next slide, please. So this is what Sunrise looks like at my property. This is not a computer generated or AI generated. This this is this is my five minutes of perfect every single morning. Next slide, please. It's called Gamble Field because we have an inordinate amount of gamble quail that naturally occur on the property, and it also the gamble quail happened to be the owner of Mark Graham's favorite bird, and so the field is named Gamble Field.

Next slide, please. More gambles. They they're everywhere. Next slide. So on the east side of our property is a large chunk of state trust land, and there are a couple of local farmers who use the state trust land for grazing of their sheep. Next slide. So how it all started. We were approached by a neighbor and and friend who wanted to know if we could do a birthday party with a small concert, and that's sort of how this all took off. So we did a a very small birthday party. Next slide, please.

And then we dreamed big, and we did a big concert, and it was wonderful. And we found out that the, go ahead to the next slide. We found out that the location where we're at was not conducive to getting the kinds of crowds that we would need to continue this type of of activity. Next slide. But it sure was fun. Next slide. We also have done community activities such as Easter egg hunts for the kids in the neighborhood. Next slide, please. And then we sort of transitioned into, dog events. And so we have Halloween parades where dogs are in costumes.

Next slide. And, again, the next several slides are people with their dogs on the field.

There you go.

One more. So this was so this is a pretty typical setup of a a two ring dog show. As you can see, there's still loads of open space. Generally, they do finish before dark. Next slide. So, again, more dog shows, dogs walking in circles to see which dog looks like the best dog. Next slide, please. And then there are some that do have activities such as agility and that sort of thing. Next slide. And so you've got some of the different agility and obstacles.

Next slide, please. This is about as large as our crowds get. Next slide. And we do also use it on occasion for family picnics or as a backdrop for quinceanera photos and things like that. Next slide. We do have overwhelming support for this project. The amount of support has has it makes me cry because it is so humbling. Next slide. And, again, my beautiful day. Okay.

And now we move into the the heart and the meat of the stuff. What we're proposing is to preserve the natural beauty and the natural occurring phenomenons on the field and to not try to turn it into a city amenity. The great thing about our property is the rural nature of it. It is the openness of it. It is the security of the fencing that we already have that gives the dogs and the people the ability to run, to play, to do things, and to know that they are still safe and secure on the property.

We intend to work with the environmental conditions, not against. We are located in a floodplain. There is a floodway as well. We have an extremely high water table out there, and the soil composition is weird to say the least. Next slide, please. Oh, and ideally, in a big in a in a big dream world, we would like to be able to do this for thirty years or until we die. We're we're not spring chickens. But we are willing to do less time than that, of course. So this is the Tonopah Arlington area plan, and you can see that the area does have a lot of different uses. Next slide.

So this is zooming in on us, and you can see we are the star over in the lower right hand corner. We are listed as Rural 43. Next slide. And there's just there's not a huge amount near us, and so we've asked to be able to use the property for large assembly of people as well as recreational outdoor open air space. Next slide, please.

So that's an oversight of the property zoomed in. You've got Lower Buckeye Road that comes across and then 3 31st Avenue on the east side of the property. Our neighbors are not super close, but they're not super far away either. Next slide. So that shows the distance to all of the, various neighbors, and it is we are at least 800 feet.

I believe it's actually more than that. I'm on the wrong page of my of my proposal. So there there is ample like, we're not crowding the neighbors. We're not the neighbors are not really going to be able to hear us. The closest neighbor's home is 899 feet away.

So next slide, please. So the pink area represents all of the empty land surrounding us with the blue areas being larger lots that do have homes on them, and then we are the green space. Next slide. Again, the pink areas are the empty lots, and we did put the floodplain in. And so you can see that a lot of the empty lots will stay empty because of the floodplain and the floodway that comes through there.

It is unlikely that they'll be used for much of anything other than solar, and solar is not homes. So next slide. There is a lot of solar in the area, which is why I bring that up. So the the red and the pink are the solar fields. The white, which directly runs behind us, is, mineral and aggregate mining. We are the teeny tiny white square. Next slide, please. So this is on the field during an event. We are standing at the east side of the field, and the event is taking place in the far I'm sorry. This perspective is from the west end of the field looking east.

The event is taking place on the east end of the field, and you can barely see it. Keep going, please. And different perspectives. So this one is looking west to east. Next slide.

And, again, looking out over the towards the White Tank Mountains. Next slide. And this is if you're standing right in the middle of the field. So if there is seven acres behind you and seven acres in front of you, you still have plenty of distance before you get to where the actual events take place. Next slide. Okay. So here's where it gets technical. When we applied for this permit, it was under the old zoning ordinances, not the new zoning ordinances. And there is a difference between the two that is significant. We would ask that our permit be considered under the old zoning ordinances since that was what was in effect when we applied and during our TAC meeting.

The old ordinances do allow for under 13 o one point one point eleven. It allows for land use involving large assembly of people. And under 13 o one point one point thirteen, recreational open air facilities are also allowed in the rural R 43 zoning without having additional specific qualifiers listed in the ordinances. Next slide. Okay.

So the reason I bring that up is in the report prepared by planning and development, the assertion is that the reformatting of the new ordinances don't apply or don't really change anything, but they do. Because under the special events venue section of the new ordinance, which was not in effect at the time we applied and was not approved, by the board of supervisors yet, there are an additional a through g conditions which were not contemplated when we applied. And because of that, we would ask not that they're a huge deal, they're not, but it's extra burdens that we were not aware would be applied to our permit. And so we're asking that those that our permit be sorry. We're we're asking that our permit be considered under the ordinances that were in application in in effect at the time that we applied.

Next slide. So this is kind of a breakout of what the new chapter 10 looks like. And so chapter 10 does allow for special use special uses that are listed in the use table in addition to the special uses that are broken out specifically under chapter 10. Next slide, please. The use table does show that land use involving large assembly of people is a separate thing from the special event venues, which is what planning and development would like to move us to.

And under the largest under the land use of large assembly of people, there is not the additional qualifications that is with the special event venue. Next slide, please. And so that next slide also shows that recreational open air space facilities are allowed under the use table as well. There are also several other agenda items on today's agenda that are for event venues that are being allowed to stay under the old ordinance and not being moved to the new ordinance, and we would ask for that same consideration. Next slide, please.

So some of the things that we've asked for to be buried with our application is we have asked to leave the property in as much of a natural condition as possible while still maintaining a good quality environment, such as treating the parking lot and the driveways with alternative methods that are approved under the air quality control regulations by using gravel, by using a I'm gonna use the wrong word. Emulsion agent. An agent that makes the crust, the chemical agent that makes a crust. And we are asking to not be required to put up block walls as that defeats the purpose of the natural the natural source of things. So we are asking that we'd be allowed to use the current fencing that we have.

We do have plans to add additional plants for screening along those fence lines as finances allow, and it is always our intention to be good neighbors to all of our neighbors. And so we are asking for some of those alternative options to be applied to our permit. Next slide, please.

So you're a little bit past ten minutes. I'm sorry. That's okay. How much more time would you like?

Okay. Maybe it would be better if I say what questions do you have for me because I'm so nervous.

In that case, let me ask staff to respond to the claim the applicant's claim that the the require use permit requirements have changed.

Yes, ma'am. Just the the new ordinance became effective January 9. That is what is in effect today, not the old ordinance. For people that have entitlement and are seeking permits and they submitted the permits and received technical review before that effective date of January 9, We will continue to review them under the old ordinance if it's to their benefit, so long as they complete their permits, meaning complete the construction as well by July 9. That was giving them half a year.

An example of that may be changes to what's allowed for accessory dwelling units. Previously, you could have an accessory dwelling unit one per per per property, and they could be as close as three feet to a lot line and 30 feet high. Under the new ordinance, you're have the potential for more than one accessory dwelling unit, but they if they encroach outside of the principal building envelope, they must be set back at least five feet from lot lines and not more than 18 feet high. So if someone had a building permit in for three feet and 30 feet, that may proceed. This property does not have zoning entitlement for a large assemblage of people or an event venue at this time.

The one effective substantive change is that today, an application would require a minimum of three acres for us to process for an event venue, an outdoor event venue, and this site meets that. There is nothing with the ordinance update that affects staff's review of this application. All those other items are still the issues that staff would review and analyze as part of our recommendation to you. So the concern with a large assemblage of people without the what we consider the necessary infrastructure improvements, we would still recommend denial. If those improvements were provided, as indicated by the handout memo and in the staff report, we would recommend support.

We support the actual land use. So that's what's before you today, and understand that this is not a situation like a permit where you check off requirements and then you're approved. This is discretionary approval. Your recommendation is discretionary and the board's ultimate disposition of this case is discretionary regardless of our recommendation or your recommendation.

Thank you. And then I do have a question for you. So health and safety is an important consideration when we look at cases. And that seems to be the crux of the staff's Absolutely. Recommendation. And so I guess it looks as though staff's provided you with two alternatives. One is to skinny down the size of your events so that you don't need to do the infrastructure improvements or to do the events as large as you're requesting that you'll need to make some infrastructure improvements for wastewater water and electric. Could you explain why neither one of those options are agreeable to you?

Okay. So it's not that the options aren't agreeable to us. It is so the the most recent proposal that we received from planning and development on Tuesday afternoon. I have a couple of questions about it. It it did take me some time to review and and process some of that information. So let me let me pull that up really quick. Bear with me. There we go. Okay. So on the handout that that planning and development provided, My question for them is, like, in the third paragraph, it says there are certain infrastructure requirements.

The second sentence says, for instance, events of 50 persons or more will require half street right way dedication. Is it 50 persons or 50 cars? Because the road doesn't care about people. The road cares about cars. Staff's incident. So I am because I've been having a problem with 49 cars being my limit. That's that's fine. Let's see

what Steph Steph can clarify.

Madam chair, members of the board. As we went back and we looked at this, where where that one's coming from so let me back up just a little bit. What's been going on in the property is that she said she's got a very beautiful property. It's a great event. We don't have an issue with the events.

She's been operating under temporary use permits for the last few years, and each year, it gets incrementally more and more intense. And so the intent of what was requested is instead of a temporary entitlement, this is a permanent entitlement. And within permanent entitlement, you have to come into conformance with infrastructure standards, building codes, just like any other commercial business in in Maricopa County. So with that, we took another look at at the request itself, and we went back into the departments, into the environmental services, MacThought, and said, all right, what caps could we put on the permanent entitlement that would still mimic that intermittent type use? Where is that limit that we could justifiably say that this is still acting like an intermittent and low intensity use?

And what we've got in that final handout that we gave you is that is that limit. Now as it relates to McDot, McDot went back out last last week or in the last couple weeks, ran ran their, counts along that road. Where this kicks into is there's a certain service level on that road that if it kicked into about a 100 cars, they're about 20 cars away from that for their for their rate that they're looking for on that. With that 20 to 25 cars and two persons per vehicle, about 50 individuals would come in in about that 25 cars. That's what would be kicking in that need for that for that dedication.

So, really, any any more intensity on this site is the dedication is needed. Per section eight zero four of the zoning ordinance with a with an entitlement, a rezoning, or special use request, the board can request the the dedication or require the dedication of that right away. That's where that comes from. So back to her question, it's not 50 people. It is 50 people and the understanding that 50 people would probably be coming in with the 20 to 25 cars.

Thank you. And I so I did receive the updated traffic counts, and I crunched the numbers according to the roadway design manual, according to the current classification, and according to the future classifications that are available online in the roadway design manual as well as the traffic impact study report. And I believe that there I I believe that the wrong categories are being applied. And I say that in in part because we argued emphatically that the wrong future use category was being applied to the road, and we did make a little bit of wiggle room on that. But when you look at the current classification of the road and the future classification of the road as well as the functional capacity limits set by McDowell, we are under any triggers.

The only way we would trigger to a new category or a new level of service is if we were considered a local road, which we are not. We are currently considered a minor collector, and a and a major collector is what the future designation is according to all of the the most recent McDowd records.

Thank you. Is that the only issue in this in staff's recommendation that you take issue with?

Cars versus people? Yes. All of the other Well, the we we would ask for a little bit of wiggle room on, like, major holidays. But, yeah, that's

Alright. But why don't we

have some folks who wanna speak? Why don't we let I I don't if any commissioners have any questions at this time.

Madam chair,

I just

want some clarification. Commissioner Rockwell.

So just to clarify her question, the only issue you have is over the road dedication and future improvements. You don't have any issue with the request for freshwater connection or septic tank or sewage connection. It's just the roadway.

Under the latest proposal by planning and development, we are in agreement to use alternative services and to be able to use porta potties and provide drinking water and have hand wash stations because of the the unique characteristics of the property. We are not able to put in septic because of the high water table. There is no pressurized water on that end of the property at all. It is there's no electricity on that end of the property. The infrastructure requirements would just be inordinately huge. And and we can't put in a septic because of the the soil composition, the high water table, and just the area in general.

Just for staff to confirm that is accurate. We we've reached an agreement on those.

Madam chair, member Akwalik. It's correct. What you're seeing in the proposed conditions of approval are setting maximum counts for numbers of people, number of events, and the days that those events can happen. So it's specifically between October and April on weekends and holidays. It's capping out at forty nine forty nine individuals. Once we get up above that, we're needing to see those improvements per the billing code and the health code. So yes, with those caps, we're

in agreement. And we're in agreement with the emulsification of the spray for the nondustproof surface as opposed to a paved parking.

They will they will need to continue to meet dust control purposes. And so if that meets the, the air quality's dust control requirements, that would be acceptable. That's commonly something that's happened. As part of that grading and drainage, though, that parking area, as as soon as you get above that many people, we start in NDC that plan, ADA accessibility, ADA accessible routes. And so that level of people and that level intensity on the site was somewhere that the departments were comfortable stating that what what what's being proposed can be accommodated on what would be an intermittent basis.

Madam chair, would you like me to to quickly try and outline the the handout memo from this morning? Because that's what we're referencing.

No. I'm I'm okay. I just wanted to confirm.

I appreciate that. So Unless anybody else does. What the applicant has spoken to is stipulation d, which says events shall only be held on Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays. And only October through April, there should be a maximum of 40 event days per year. I believe she's wanting that to say Friday, Saturday, Sundays, and then in parentheses, plus holidays.

Major holidays.

And then, the other item that she has concerns with would be stipulation m, which says ultimate half street right of way dedication for March adjacent to the parent parcel. The half street improvements will be waived as it sounds like she does not agree to the dedication. But we're not asking for any improvements under this scenario stipulations a through o s per the handout memo.

And what about stipulation c that limits to 49 people? I thought that was a concern.

Cars is what I would like. I I would like it to say 49 cars, And then the holidays, as he as he mentioned, I would note that there's actually two letter i's on the second page, so that's kind of a a so so that'll change the things.

Good catch.

And then as far as the ultimate half street right of way dedication, road has been a very contentious issue. If the road is the holding point, we will we will give you

the road. Okay. Thank you. Alright. Let's why don't you take a seat? I'm sure we'll have lots more. Commissioners, have any other comments before we go to other comments?

I just have one. So if we go over 49 people, then that is going to trigger everything else that the other agencies want, permanent water, permanent wastewater and half the road improvements? And chair member Hernandez, that's correct. I just wanna

Yep. Thank you.

Alright. So first speaker we have is Jane Pfeiffer and Jane will be followed by Mark Graham, T Mark Graham. Pardon me? I already did that. You're Jane Pfeiffer? No. Sorry. Alrighty. We'll have T Mark Graham and then Jessica O'Reilly.

Hi. I'm Mark Graham. I'm the property owner, so, obviously, I'm in support. I don't know whether I should use this time to just say, look. We wanna let dogs play in a safe place. That's what this is all about. The road needs to be removed from your consideration on this. We have spent hours with Department of Transportation discussing the road. The problem is they don't own the road. They cut the road through my front yard without getting any right of way, and now they're using the road dedication as leverage on our special use permit, and that is highly unfair.

I've offered to sell them the road. They are not interested in buying it as the board of supervisors required them to do back in '96 and are instead essentially bullying us to give up my private property and trade for a permit that I should otherwise be entitled to apply for. So I recommend that the board take the road issue, set it aside, and we promise we will work with Department of Transportation to come up with a equitable solution because in that two mile stretch, Department of Transportation only owns one third of it. And so it's not just a problem with me, it's a problem with my other neighbors. And so please just take the road dedication out of it, and we will deal with it as a separate issue because it is going to be a major issue.

It shouldn't prevent dogs from playing in

the field. Thank you, Mr. Green. Next, we'll have Jessica O'Reilly. And then following Jessica will be Red Maple.

Good morning. Jessica O'Reilly. I am a precinct committee woman for Salome Precinct, Legislative District 25. First, I wanna recognize and thank you guys for having us today. I wanna recognize projects like Gamble Field. Their special use permit should be approved. The project respects our land. It blends with our area. It provides learning opportunities for children like my own, and it brings the community together. They're an example of responsible growth that doesn't sacrifice our rule character.

I also wanna point out, obviously, they have a lot of support, 377 letters of support with only one opposition. I am very familiar with the property. I have attended myself. They've made substantial reductions, and I am familiar with their applicant process in response to your feedback. They've made so much in reductions, including decreasing the number of the event days, reducing the traffic volume, and I believe that it demonstrates their good faith effort and willingness to work with the county standards. I respectfully ask that any conditions of approval reflect the revised scope and be based on the measurable impacts rather than assumptions. Thank you.

Thank you. Next we have Brad Maffey.

Hello. Hope your day is going well. My viewpoint is towards Marks on the Road. Van Buren, 3 31st, Lower Buckeye all the way to Broadway is a mess. The county, years ago, allowed the roads to go in without being purchased. I have three homes on that stretch. They traffic travels on it. I've never received letters, requests, anything. They just take the property, allow traffic to go. What they've done by not getting Mark's property and my property, you have homes, trailers that were permitted by Maricopa County that do not have legal access.

If we own the property and we were to close off our roads, what would these homeowners do? No emergency services? Nothing could reach them. The county has messed up road division, not you guys, I guess, but it needs to be dealt with on a separate entity, and it's gonna take some doing. So I agree with Mark. Road situation is a mess that should not be included into their permit request. They should be two different entities to be solved. And I love what they do. It's a blast. You should go after some those dogs are cool. Thank you.

Thank you, mister Minky.

Next, we'll have Merrill Wolf and followed by Robin Brand.

Good morning. I'm just a participant. I take my dogs out to run at Gamble Field. It is a beautiful safe place out in the country, fenced, safe from cactus and some of the other desert dwellers. We just love it, and we just would hate to not have a place to run activities and, you know, sports. So we just we love it. So thank you. Thank you for

coming down, miss Wolfe. Robin Brown is next, followed by John Damato.

Hi. I have dogs that we run there. And it's a special place. It's large. We have large dogs, grands that need a lot of room. And aside from going out in the desert with the snakes and cactus and such, there's no other place that we know of in Phoenix where we can go and let our dogs let loose. They need a big space, and this is it. So we hope you'll approve the permit.

Thank you. Thank you. John Damato followed by Saria. Are you mister Damato? Yes. Would you like to speak? It says agenda item number five. Okay. I'm sorry, sir. All right. All right. I'm sorry. It didn't match. We put the wrong agenda item number. Apologize.

So this is item number six. Okay. Okay. We'll continue with number five. I'm sorry. This is really hard to read. So we're oh, Sandra. Sandra, no last name. And, Sandra, if you'd state your full name for the record, please. Pardon? If you'll state your full name for the record, please.

Sandra Garnett Perkins. Thank you. So I live on the corner of Lower Buckeye, Wickenburg. 3 31st becomes Wickenburg. Lower Buckeye continues and then Lower 3 31st. I'm up on a hill, and the noise comes from the river. I hear shooting at all hours. I hear music two, 03:00 in the morning. I rarely hear the dogs. I have attended two events, had lunch, beautiful area.

The traffic that goes by my house is unbelievable. Everyone feels that 35 miles an hour is not fast enough. Two dirt roads. I I've seen them go through the stop signs. I have been flipped off when I've yelled at them to please slow down when I'm walking up to the mailbox, and the noise is unbelievable. But I've yet to be outside and hear all these dogs. They're noisy when you're down there. That's what it's about. It's like a bunch of children finally breaking loose at birthday party. It's not every day.

It's not every week. It's not every month. It's certain times, and it's always during the day. There's no noise from their place at night, And I just I just think they should be approved. It's a wonderful wonderful place to you all should just take a drive and go out there to one of their events. Seriously. Take your take your wife. Get your husband take you. Grab the grandkids. Go take in an event and see what it's about.

To to see these dogs running, chasing a rabbit, I mean and they're so excited, and the people are so excited, and the food vendor is so good. They're allowed one. But please just consider. And any doubts, go see for yourself. Thank you. And the last speaker is Kimberly Lowry.

Kimberly Lowry, my my property starts at 331st Delore Buckeye. That's the corner of my property and goes toward James. The back half of the Gamble Field, the only thing between their property and mine is a barbed wire fence. I have no issues with the events. I have more of a problem with people shooting in the wash. I've not had a traffic issue. Any anytime I've had a question, I went and talked to them. I've never had an issue with them. K? The problem they're having with the road, I agree.

Let's take that put that on a different agenda because I'm part of that road. It it it their private property, they got the road going right across my property as well, and I have 18 acres. The I have had no problem with any of the traffic for any of the events. The traffic I have is local, a kid down the road who wants to go 80 miles an hour up and down the road. But as far as the events, they have not ever caused us an issue.

They they do water the road. They do try to make it as minimal as possible on the dirt. I agree with the events. I've participated. We visited. My grandkids love to go down there. Yeah. I agree that we need to separate the road issue from their permit, and I hope their permits get approved because they've done nothing but good for the community.

Thank

you. Thank you for coming down. Do we have any speakers online?

Chair, I have five or potentially six. I'm trying to talk to the last person, but I have a Keith Cronbach. Sorry. Let me unmute Keith. So k. Keith should be able to unmute and speak. Keith, you need to unmute on your end, and then you we should be able to hear you.

Hello?

Hello. Can you hear me? Yes, sir.

My name is Keith Cronbach. I've been a local resident of Tonopah for almost thirty years now, and I feel I'm in support of Gamble Field. I've been to several events there, and I don't see an issue with people being there, how many people there. The one event I went to, there was probably about 70 people, and there was no issues that I saw. The road I'm a local business owner also, and I travel that road constantly. And it is overwhelmed, and it should be put on a separate agenda as most of it cuts across private property. So I'm in support of, Gamble Field. Thank you Thank you. For your time

and patience.

Chair, I, the next speaker was Jack, Locken, but he he said that he's in support and was willing to, save his his conversation so we had more time. The next person I have is Thomas Dushku, and Thomas should be able to speak now.

Hello. Can I am I being heard?

Yes.

Hi. My name is Thomas Dushku, and I'm here to speak in support of Gamble Field. I have been a business associate of Mark and Jane for twenty years and know how they love animals and their community. Since Mark and Jane have moved to Tonopah, I have had an opportunity on multiple occasions to visit the field, and they have hosted multiple canine activities. On every occasion, I have witnessed nothing but unparalleled professionalism and courtesy to both the attendees and neighbors and a pristine, natural, and safe environment for the dogs to enjoy themselves. I urge the Planning and Zoning Commission to please approve the Gamble Field permit as I see it as an absolute boon for the community. Thank you for your time.

Thank you. Thank you for calling in.

The next speaker I have is June Bian Biankalana.

Biankalana. Sorry. Biankalana. Yeah. It's

okay. Sorry.

Hi. Good morning, and thank you for allowing me to speak. This is June Biankalana, and I live in West Haven, Utah. And, I am also a board member of the Utah Sighthound Racing and Coursing Club, and I urge you to approve the Gamblefield permit as requested by the owners. Gamblefield is an outstanding location for our sport of sighthounds.

It's a sport that continues to struggle with sufficient locations for our dogs to safely run. And Gamblefield is not only safe, but the natural pleasant surroundings are actually extremely beneficial to the performance of our dogs. And the infrastructure as it is currently at Gamble Field is more than sufficient for the events that I personally have attended. And, the infrastructure, including the porta potties and the wash stations, have been always kept pristine, and always the wash station's always full and soap, everything that's there. It's been an outstanding location and, was very impressed with how the owners run that property.

I would like to say that I travel from Salt Lake, so it's over a 700 mile one way trip for, to take my dogs to these events held at their property. I have competed over the last ten years in California, Utah, Arizona, Oregon, Washington, Colorado, Idaho, and Kansas. And this is one of the safest and probably the best locations I have ever ran my dogs on, and I would like you to know that Gamble Field is well known in the Sighthound community far outside of Arizona. And when we talk about going to a field that we've never been to, we ask our fellow competitors what they think of this field and including American Kettle Club and American Sighthound Field Association judges and participants have all recommended this field, which is why I have taken my dogs to the field just this past month and also last year. So, again, thank you for allowing me to speak in support of this amazing location.

The natural feel of this is just something you is it's a gem. You just cannot find these kinds of locations anymore. I've been to so many different states, and I strongly urge you to, to approve this permit for Gamble Field. Thank you for your time this morning.

Thank you for calling in.

Chair, I I have, I had two more people that had reached out. Renee Vitulo, wanted to speak, but, I do not have the ability to enable a microphone. And so I can't I can't do that, but I, they indicated they were in support. And Christina Stage also, was in support of the permit. So that's all I have.

Thank you.

Wanted to ask you guys a question. You could you address the comments that were made about the road?

Madam chair, that's kind of what we were discussing. McDot has identified and what has you've heard there, there's there's an amount of traffic that's already utilizing that road. And so within the entitlement case, especially one that's increasing intensity onto the site, we've always they always request the dedication of that right away. They also usually typically request the improvements to go along with that. In this instance, under that cap, they're not requesting those improvements. So right now, the recommendation from McDot is that we require the dedication of the right of way.

What what about the claim that says that the county doesn't own the road now? That the they're infringing on what they're saying is private property.

Correct. Sorry. Madam chair, that is exactly what the discussions are that are happening right now. Dedication would be to the county. The road has existed in in various conditions for the last couple of decades. In this instance, the the McDada's requesting that dedication so that the count that that roadway is brought into Maricopa County's street system.

And, madam chair, to add on, council, just remind me that that's the case for every dedication to gain ownership of of the right of way, into the county system.

Madam chair? Yes.

So I grew up in a county island, dirt roads, large lots, and plenty of times, property owners would try to close off access to the streets through the community, but there were easements on those lots. Are there easements on these lots?

Board member Rockwallick or commissioner Rockwallick. To my knowledge, this is not an easement. Got it. Thank you.

What about the claim by some that this county should pay them for that right of way?

That would be the discussions on how we obtain right of way within Maricopa County, whether it's purchase or by dedication.

So that would be outside of this? Correct.

And Madam Chair, that doesn't necessarily affect the condition as written. But that is standard procedure for entitlement cases, subdivisions as you obtain dedication for the half width adjacent to the site in almost every instance, which is separate from when someone builds a house on an existing lot.

And it's separate from the bigger issue that these people are bringing up. Okay. Commissioners have any other questions about that? All right. You like to would the applicant like

to speak? Oh. I'm sorry, madam chair, but commissioner Toma asked he he left the hearing. He was in at 09:30 and left at 09:40, but he sent a chat, and he asked staff to read it if that's okay. Sure. It's, Mihai Toma. Says, I have a bad connection. If another commissioner or staff reads this, could you please read the statement for me? This is my district. I fully support staff's recommendation to deny the special use permit. Although there are letters of support that should not exempt the applicant for making the improvements needed to use this site for the intended use. That was at 09:40.

Thank you. Do we still have a quorum? Okay. I'm not sure. Sorry. Only there was a public comment because there was one other hand raised online. We'll go ahead and hear it. Okay. David, you can unmute him, please.

Yeah. Joseph Pena, also wanted to speak. Joseph, I've unmuted your microphone. If you can unmute on your device, you should be able to speak.

Good morning.

Good morning. Can you

guys okay. You guys can hear me. Okay. My name is Joe Sapena. I live, just south of Mark and Jane. I share a fence with them. We enjoy having the events. My daughters go to the events. They support their events. I mean, I have over a 100 animals that border that fence line, and we have no effect over it.

We enjoy watching the events. Traffic wise, I mean, coming down this road and all that stuff, there is no extreme traffic that I've ever seen come down this road, and it's never never an issue. And they go 25 under the speed limit, so they're going five miles per hour down the road. I mean, I've helped out a couple people on the road before that have had issues that are at the vents, and they're lovely people. According to, like, the bathroom situation, they're cleaned.

The wash stations are great. I mean, they're they're gone the next day, and, I mean, they're all put away. Everything's in a, you know, a good fashion order. Everything beautiful. I mean, the field's great. There's no trash. I don't have any trash on my field. I mean, everything's great, so I don't see why this is a big issue. So but I am in full support of Campbell Field, and I would really appreciate if they could keep doing these events because my daughters like joining in the events, so it's also kid friendly. Thank you.

Thank you. And if I could just comment too. The the question for us today is about health and safety. I'm sure it's a lovely property, you run beautiful events, and there's no there's no issue with the youth. It's a matter of the health and safety of the people who are attending those events and that's what these conditions are trying to address. So would you like to respond to? Yes, please. How much time would you like?

Five minutes for this one. Thank you. Alright. I do have a question for the person running the slides. Can you see the slide numbers? Because then we can just jump ahead. So it's slide number 56, if you can skip forward. Or if you just start flipping, I can tell you when you get to the right one.

And, madam chair, while while she's doing that, commissioner Toma just notified me that he has been on. He has audio connection issues, but

he is on. Thank you.

Going. Keep going. Okay. Okay. Go back, please.

I'm sorry. Back one more. There we go. Okay. So in regards to the infrastructure as far as restrooms and water, there are specific provisions in the Arizona and the or I'm sorry, Arizona and Maricopa County Department Maricopa County Environmental Services Department, there we go, as well as the zoning ordinances that specifically talk about when what the preferred method is for sanitation.

It is preferred. It is not required. There is a hierarchy in play. The first one being attaching to a sewer system. Well, that's just not an option. There's no sewers out there. The second one being putting in a septic tank and permanent restroom building. However, there is a third option, and that is to use the the portable toilets and chemical toilets when you meet certain conditions, and our property meets all of those conditions. The conditions that you have to meet in order to be able to use chemical toilets are as follows. You can use chemical toilets where connection to an approved sewage disposal system is impractical or impossible.

It's impossible. We don't have any sewer. Where water under pressure is not available. There is no water under pressure out there, or where installation of an individual sewer disposal system or other approved method is impractical or impossible. That is exactly what we have going on on this field.

The groundwater level on that area of the field is less than 15 feet below your feet. If I put in a septic there, I will pollute the entire water table. Surely, nobody wants me to do that. Not only that, but according to Maricopa County's own records, the soil composition on that end of the field is one that does not is not conducive to septic tanks. It is it is an unsuitable, not draining portion of of soil.

There is no water under pressure out there without us having to drill a well, without having to do a whole lot of other things. These are or conditions, and we meet every single one of them. It is absolutely impractical for us to put in a septic system, a well, a bathroom building, and run electricity. The code gives us the latitude to use portable restrooms. The intensity from what we use now under our temporary use permits and the potential growth of growing to we we've offered to restrict it all the way back to thirty five days a year.

The growth is not substantial from what we're doing now, and the portable toilets have worked well. And we have a licensed professional company that services them. We have no desire for there to be a mess on the property. We have no desire to skirt the rules. It is that we cannot put in a septic. It's not that we don't want to. It's that we can't. And the rules allow us to use porta potties. I I hope that answers. I mean, I have more slides than I can show you the county records that say the soil is bad.

If you go to the next slide, I believe it's three slides down. It shows next one. So this shows the water table. Everywhere that's blue is that high water table. Next slide.

So the red arrow points to where we are as far as soil composition, and it is composition four, and the next slide shows the county's determination of those being unsuitable for septic systems. The county the county created these records, and now they're trying to hold us to a different standard. The county said the area is bad for septic, oh, but put in a septic. We can't. We can't.

What other questions can I

Okay? Thank you, miss Piper. Commissioner Rothwell.

So there were it looked like two residential properties on the southwest corner of the the larger lot, although those are not included in the special use permit request. Are those structures, are they on septic?

They are. But so the thing that's unique about this area, and you can't really get a photograph of it and overhead aerials don't show it, is that the properties that sit alongside 3 31st Avenue where the homes are, those are actually in those are higher in elevation than the property is when you get to the back far east end. And my neighbor, Kimberly, can attest to that. And, again, mister Mayfield has been in the area forever and is intimately familiar with all of that area as well as the river bottom and the trust land.

The ground level drops. So is it not possible to put the septic tank on the west side of the property then if it's not capable of being put on the east side

of the property per your No one would use it. No one's gonna walk. The the special use permit is limited to the area on the East End in part to accommodate and be respectful of our neighbors. The closer we get to the West End, the closer we get to their homes. So the the activity area being on the East End is necessary because it is the area where parking is available.

It is the area that is the least impactful of the neighbors. It is the area that is the most open and the the most available. And so it it is kind of a odd situation. No. We would not be able to put a septic tank in any useful place on the property for the attendees.

And as far as events Mhmm. It sounds like a a lot of people out here to support you are referencing dog events. Mhmm. Beginning, you had referenced not the music festival because I you you had recognized that that was quite a large event that you guys were not necessarily the most prepared for. But is it just the dog events, or do you guys do other events as well? Or are you planning to do other events as well?

So right now, it is just the dog events. All of the events that we've had this over under this temporary use permit and last year's temporary use permit have been strictly the dog events. We do ask for a little bit of flexibility for doing Easter egg hunts for the kids or if there is, like, a we did do one other thing that we did do was a memorial for Charlie Kirk. Mhmm. We we did a small gathering on the property for that.

So there are a few other odd type of events, but nothing like the the concerts that we did before. We're we're not doing concerts. We're not doing weddings. We're not doing quinceaneras. We're not doing large scale birthday parties. We're not doing we're not doing heavy intense use. And then one last question.

So none of the the septic or the water requirements are being asked for if you remain 49 people, which we heard from staff, I guess, to be about 25 cars. But you are asking to for that 49 number to be the count of cars, which Correct. So you you you're expecting your events to then be around a 100 people is what you're asking for for 49 cars?

No. We would expect between forty nine and sixty people. Unfortunately, most people do come do drive separately, and so that's because they have crates of dogs in their car. These dogs are awesome, but they're huge. So, yeah, we the the number of cars and the number of people, they're often very similar, And it is so the last event we had on Saturday, we had 49 cars with a grand total of 70 people on Saturday.

On Sunday, we had 35 cars and 38 people. And that's a that's a typical size. That's very common. I mean, that's they had a great turnout on Saturday. Great turnout. It's usually not that many.

Thank you for answering my questions.

Mister Gerard. Madam chair, commissioner Thoma at 10:36 commented, as a former general contractor, I would like to note for the rest of the board that there are alternative septic systems available that could be installed on-site.

Thank you. Commissioner Pinter.

Thank you. Thanks for everybody coming out and looking at this. If I can do a heart to heart with a lot of the technical stuff, This Maricopa County is a massive area.

Mhmm. And each of these

commissioners come from a specific geographical area, and it's really important to the other commissioners when the commissioner in this area seems very reluctant to to support this issue. Now in my days at the city of Mesa in East Valley, what I see now, this is a dog park. And we're down to, if I read and heard this correctly, it's a couple of points. One is the dedication of roadway, and it sounds like a really big issue. And then the number of people versus cars.

You know, I hear these numbers, and these were great questions. Is there an opportunity, I ask staff or madam chair, you find folks to maybe look at a continuance to hash out a little bit more, work with your commissioner, Toma, to try and get to the right area. Because if I was a guesser, I would guess this is not going your way. And I I you know, just me guessing. And you might want to see, you know, I was taken back a little bit about how strongly people feel with the easement and the roadways and that.

That is a big issue. It sounds like such a wonderful thing you're doing, this wonderful dog park, community involvement. Please don't let this die with a denial on a couple of points that maybe could be worked out or hashed through. So that's just my my comments. Mhmm. Would you be open to maybe work more closely with commissioner Thoma and others and staff to see if you could find the right way to do this that everybody wins? Always looking for the everybody wins.

Yes, sir. I and I agree that finding the win win is is always the best option if it's available. As far as commissioner Toma goes, I I've had no interaction with him. I don't believe he's ever been to the property, or if he has, he's has not identified himself. I've had no to say that I'm shocked by his statements is an is an understatement.

I've had no interaction with him, so I'm not sure where he's getting some of his his information from. That being said, we have we were scheduled for to appear before you in February. We did a continuance at planning and development's request to try to work out some of these issues. Unfortunately, that did not go well. We have met with Maricopa County Department of Transportation regarding the, issue of the road being taken years ago without compensation and the fact that we're still paying property taxes on a county maintained road and a county controlled road, we thought we would get some resolution with that as we were told, oh, give us a couple of weeks.

We'll get back to you. They didn't, and Anna reached out again and give us a little more time and give us a little more time. And so we have been giving them time. We've been giving them opportunity. We have made multiple record requests to try to understand how these formulas work and what these metrics are, and, unfortunately, those are not forthcoming. So whether another continuance will work or not, I honestly don't know. And I'm so frustrated and tired, I could cry. And I don't have a good answer.

I appreciate how frustrated you are on this. Looking at these big, government operations a lot of times, sometimes if you can just find a place to go back, and it sounds like there's and commissioner Tom was wonderful. He usually and always is involved and really sensitive to issues. So maybe there's an opportunity here to to visit with them and maybe work with staff to just one more continuance, one more opportunity. You're already operating under a temporary permit, so maybe just a little bit more time to to work through this issue and then see if you're able to find this opportunity to make this work for everyone?

I I don't know. I I kindly ask. I hope I don't mean to put you on the spot, but that's my my one thought.

Can I have sixty seconds to discuss it with Mark? Sure.

Madam chair, what Jane didn't tell you was when we had a meeting, gave them the continuance. I thought they wanted the continuance because they realized how badly they had screwed up, how they were improperly applying the highest standards and not alternative standards. So I said, okay. We'll let you have your continuance so you can get all your ducks in a row, and this won't have to become a federal case. We'll just it was just dogs playing in the field, man.

We're not trying to do anything crazy. They came back with a set of requirements that was more restrictive than what they'd recommended in the beginning. They have not been dealing in good faith. I don't want a continuance. We are not dealing with people who are being fair and equitable and well, that's it. Thank you.

Mister Gerard, did you like

to add something? Madam chair, I was only gonna point out that I believe earlier in the Madam chair, I wanted to point out that, you know, the hand there's a handout before you with a alternative for staff recommendation for approval that correctly should read a through p. So you know? And the applicant has asked us to change d to include holidays. And then the language in m may be more palatable if it read ultimate half street right of way dedication for 331st Avenue adjacent to the parent parcel at the discretion of McDot.

McDot could decide there's no dedication necessary, but I don't see that changing for the anything above 50 people. You're talking about m? Yes, ma'am. And I'm sorry. That would be n renumbered, but m on the on hand on my own. And so I think it comes down to the c where attendance is limited to 49 people or fewer. And without infrastructure improvements, I don't see staff

But now the applicant said 60 is only 11 more people.

Correct.

Does does this board have or did do we have the discretion to recommend an exception to 60? We have discretion.

We're talking about, just to understand the question, 49 versus 60 people. The, the other place where that line comes into play is in the building code itself. This is be considered an assembly occupancy as far as the assemblage of people. We were trying to find that line of where does where is that intermittent use or that temporary type nature that we could rely on something within the code to hang our hat on? Under the under the code in chapter three and in chapter four, it makes it it discusses occupancy levels below 50 people could be considered a b occupancy, which could not does denoted a lessening of use.

So it's a less intensity abuse. As soon as you hit that level, you're treated as an assembly occupancy. So that's where that 50 came into. And so that's that's why we ended up at 49. And everywhere we everywhere we went into our codes, it was about that level where it went from what would be considered an intermittent type use, similar to what a temporary use permit would be like to full on permanent type entitlement. So that's where we came up with 50.

Commissioner? Yes. So temporary use permit that there's currently operating on. Does anything go away if there's a denial at this point? Can can we work with

Mr. Fincher, I believe it expires in March.

Mister mister madam chair, commissioner Fincher, that's valid until the expiration date, which is coming up. And I should clarify the previous reference to code was building code, not to be confused with zoning ordinance, which is where the temporary use permit language is.

Commissioner Rockwalla.

On existing and renumbered n as it relates to the Half Street right of way dedication, you guys talked about changing that to have the discretion of McDowd, recognizing that McDowd is unlikely to change their opinion. I'm not sure it's just the people that the the amount of people that that the applicant may still have a problem with. And so I would ask the applicant if that were changed to at the discretion of McDot, is that still a concern?

If it were changed to be at the discretion of McDott, it would allow a couple of things to happen. It would allow more time for us to work with McDott regarding the previous issue of when the road was built and how it was built through private property. It would also allow better understanding and explanation of how these metrics work. And then if McDott did ultimately come back to us and say, okay. This is how the numbers work. Yeah. Because if I calculated it wrong, I calculated it wrong. But until somebody tells me, I don't know. Then, yes, we could adjust that in the future with directly with McDot, and we would be fine with that.

Mister Gerard, just for confirmation, if it's at the direction or discretion of McDot, theoretically, McDot could not have any conversations and just say, we will take the dedication.

Madam chair, commissioner Rockwallick, first, I've been told that McDott doesn't wanna change the language that's written in memo.

I would imagine to be honest with you, would imagine they not. He's the line of question.

And right. And the and the and McDott is available to speak online. Mc the director of McDott. And I could say, yeah, McDot require will require dedication under certain circumstances, or they will seek to acquire dedication in other circumstances such as where they're single family homes, not not a subdivision development, not a zone change such as a special use permit.

Actually, I'm I may have a question for McDott, but I will ask the question, and I will let McDott determine it. Well, I will let you guys determine if you can answer it or if you need McDott to answer it. We heard a lot from residents nearby this existing property, all of whom I I assume are using the existing road structures out there. We've additionally heard from the residents that the existing road structures out there are built on private property. Do these lots have legal access without these roadways that were built on private property?

I if if if MacGod's able to speak, we'll defer them. If if there's not if he's not able to speak, we'll we'll try and speak to it. You know, it's just here. I Are Jesse or Angela from McDowd online? I I had heard they were, and I don't know if they're able to speak.

And we should probably speak on the record on that anyway. What we were just talking should have been speaking on record. What we're talking about was whether or not that well, it seems like it's a big mess with the roads, it's probably not relevant to this case. It's a bigger issue in the immediate area.

It is standard, madam chair commissioners. It is standard procedure to seek ultimate dedications with any entitlement such as subdivision plats, special use permits, rezones, plans of development, which is separate than somebody coming in for a building permit.

Yes. Thank you. Alright. So then if I go back to the applicant, if if looking at the staff's recommendation, we modify d to say holidays. Mhmm. Are you otherwise agreeable to this these conditions?

Just for clarification, are holidays all the holidays in the year or the only holidays between October and April? Oh, good question.

Holidays between October and April, we would stay within that that restricted we're we're not doing fourth of July. It's too hot. You say state

state holidays, federal holidays. Do we need to be that clear?

I don't know. Madam chair, I they're still limited to a maximum of 40 event days a year, so I think we're good.

Just say holidays. Okay. With the yeah. Okay. So if we make that change, if we just add to make the change to d to say holidays,

It's And, madam chair, we have a statement from commissioner Toma, ten forty six. He indicated, I'm happy to meet with the applicant and would thank everyone that has commented in person and online. I remain in support of staff's recommendation to deny this permit due to the concerns staff's raised. I hope the applicant can continue to work with staff to find a way to approve this.

Assuming Commissioner Thoman not supportive of these conditions?

I I don't know that specifically.

I know He can hear us, so he can answer in chat.

This this ever started as a zoning do they get in trouble? Is this why the TUP started or they were just being proactive and be the

Proactive. Okay.

So it sounds like the continuance is is off the table. My recommendation would be to approve it as staff is recommend approval of staff is outlined in this handout and allow the applicant some time to work to get more people and work with staff and TOMA. And the only reason I'm recommending that is because their TEP is gonna be up at the end the month. That way they can at least operate through April, get them through the summer, and then maybe we can have some resolution before their next event year.

And, madam chair, commissioner Hernandez, I don't believe there has been a history of zoning violation. There's not been a case open due to citizen complaint. They came in for temporary use permits. You know? And there was some complaint to the permit, but it's the same as the special use permit.

And and I would also note too, I think they're requesting thirty years. I think it would be more appropriate to reduce this down to ten, especially if if you guys were gonna be adding a bunch of permanent restrooms, permanent water, road roadway modifications, I would definitely say thirty would be appropriate, but I think with no modifications, I think ten is is more appropriate.

We knew we were dreaming big and that thirty was not gonna happen, but you have to pick a number, so we did.

And are you okay to have holidays to date?

Yeah. And and I'm

not sure if that's needed. If there's if they if if the the addition of the words holidays, but they're still confined to forty days, there are holidays between October and April that that she said she really only wanted access to. As as this is written, she has access to it unless it's including holidays.

During the

week Monday holiday. Oh, you're right.

Or or

Thanksgiving, which is always a Thursday.

Madam Chair, Jesse Gutierrez, the director of McDOT, is available online if you still have questions for him.

Any questions for McDOT?

No. Thank you.

All right. So would you like to make a motion?

I I mean, is that acceptable to the applicant? I think that would buy you guys some time to continue working through some of these issues with commissioner Thoma. Otherwise, I think the only other outcome is gonna be a recommendation for denial, and you guys have to start all over.

A a continuance is absolutely preferable to a denial. I do believe that we are very close, although, I having not, had an opportunity to meet with commissioner Toma, I can't say what his specific concerns are, although I'm happy to to meet with him to see if we can figure that out. So if if the options are continuance or denial, we would we would take the continuance.

I'm recommending approval per these stipulations, Okay.

Question. So basically, the last thing they came up with and our disagreement was the ten years.

We'll take ten years.

We'll take ten, but really, I'd like twelve. We're dealing with nonprofits here. It'll take twelve years just to amortize the application fee. And the number of people versus the number of cars. Because if you limit us to 50 people and we have 52, you know, we're trying proactively to not be in a future violation because we watched all these meetings where people are coming in having messed up left, right, and center, and now they're begging for forgiveness. We don't want to beg for forgiveness. We want to be straight and narrow from the beginning. And so if you artificially decrease our number

of people, it's

gonna be difficult. I agree with you guys

a 100%. I and I'm I wanna commend you guys for doing this the right way by applying for a permit before you started your events instead of doing your events and then getting your hands slapped and like, oh, I'm sorry.

If we can do twelve years, 50 cars, and the the I I can probably

I'm recommending it's ten years with these specific forty nine because when we get to 50 people, that's the trigger that's that drives everything else. I think this will buy you guys some time to continue to work with staff to maybe get that adjusted, and you can amend the SUP, correct me if I'm wrong, next year. But I think this is gonna buy you some time to to get you through the end of the year event season to continue to operate legally. Absolutely. My recommendation. Nobody has to accept it. I'm just that's how I'm looking at it.

I'll just share my point of view. I would not be unless staff recommends unless there's there does not appear to be a reason to in my opinion, to make an exception to 49 people. So if your hope is to work with staff to get that number raised, at least from my perspective, it's not likely. And I would not support an exception or couldn't. Commissioner Finter.

Thank you, Madam Chair. Because of this communication breakdown, can we get some feedback from Commissioner Toma on this?

Yes. Madam chair, commissioners, he did comment. He sent a couple of comments in the ten fifty four. He would not support the changes, meaning he agrees with I I believe he agrees with the motion from vice chair Hernandez. Okay. I agree with what was just said. Applicant needs to work with staff on this case, meaning future amendments if necessary. And that can be for the record, that can be a there's a flat fee for modification of condition, which isn't like starting all over again. It still has public hearings, but it can be a much simpler process if all we're doing is changing a date, or a number.

Thank you. Not commissioner Rockwell.

I just wanna make sure that with what commissioner Hernandez says that that you guys are are cognizant of what is included in that. That does include the Half Street dedication.

Yes.

Okay.

Anybody online, folks online, have commissioners online have any comments or questions? Okay. Well, I guess I'll entertain a motion.

Alright. With that, I will recommend approval of s u five zero zero four one with the stipulations recommended by staff with the exception that d includes holidays and the re lettering of the later stipulations.

Second.

Oh yeah, and changing the term to ten years from thirty years. That is an E? Okay, perfect. That's already in there.

All do we have a second? Second. We have a motion by Vice Chair Fernandez and by Commissioner Rock Wallach.

Commissioner Finter?

Yes.

Vice Chair Hernandez?

Yes.

Commissioner Lawrence?

Yes.

Chair Mulhavy? Yes. Commissioner Rockwalli?

Yes.

Commissioner Toma?

Okay.

That's a yes. And Commissioner Whitney?

Yes.

Chair, we have a motion recommending approval by a vote of seven to zero.

Thank you. Alright. Thank you. And thank you all for coming down. We'll move on to the

next case, which is S U 240001 Rancho Bravo.

Thank you, madam chair and members of the commission. S U 240001 is a special use permit request for an outdoor wedding and event venue in The rural 43 Zoning District on a property only 8.8 acres. The site is located at the Northwest Corner Of Indian Springs Road and 134th Avenue in the Avondale slash Goodyear area and it is known as Rancho Bravo. The applicant request the use for private events on weekdays until midnight, Friday and Saturday until 1AM, and Sunday until 10PM. The proposal includes 88 parking spaces entirely located on the subject site.

The the applicant has provided dedicated restroom facilities for patrons with paved parking and walkway access. At the printing of the handout memo, staff has received 44 letters of opposition from nearby residents and 22 letters of support. While support letters speak of a desire for a venue in the area, the opposition letters speak to great concerns to late night noise and increased traffic and congestion in the area. Prior to this hearing, the applicant provided an update site plan showing a small eight foot tall CMU wall in the party area to further help mitigate sound and travel. While staff is supportive of a daily wedding and event venue on use on the parcel, staff does not concur with the requested operational times extending late into the night on weekdays and extending into the next day on weekends.

Staff recommendation of approval comes with greatly reduced operational and restricted light hours that are more appropriate for rural residential areas nearby. Staff has provided a recommendation of operational hours of Sunday to Thursday, 10AM to 8PM with venue lights out by 9PM. Friday and Saturday availability of 10AM to 10PM with lights out by 11PM. Staff further recommends condition c two, which limits the attendance to a 176 people or approximately double the provided parking on-site. It is staff's desire that if this case is approved, the neighborhood have a clear understanding of operational hours and not fear late night thumping beats.

Staff recommends approval of SU 24,001 subject to conditions A through K with the updated site plan condition A. Thank you very much. We'd be happy to answer any questions you may have.

Thank you. And we'll hear from the applicant.

Good morning, honorable chair. Can you hear me okay? Yes. Honorable chair, vice chair, committee members, my name is Jordan Greenman, Greenman Law Firm, 1621 West Walena Street, Phoenix, Arizona 85007 here on behalf of the applicant and owner, mister Juan Bravo Villanueva. We're here today to discuss the application s U24001 at 13414 West Indian Springs Road in Goodyear, Arizona. Will you be driving the okay. Okay. Well, I appreciate you. Thank you so much. I'd like to thank you so much for your time today.

We'd like to walk you through the details of this request, starting with an overview of the property itself and its unique context. So the subject parcel itself is roughly a 9.5 acre parcel located in an unincorporated island in Maricopa County surrounded by jurisdictions of Avondale and Goodyear. It is really important to note here, honorable chair, that this is immediately west of the Phoenix Raceway. We are roughly a half mile west of the parking area of the Phoenix Raceway and a mile west of the Raceway itself. This is a major event venue that has established a critical precedent for event based uses in this community.

I'd like to now take a look at the property from an aerial perspective. So this is 13414 West Indian Springs Road. This is an aerial photograph. As you can see, this is a very large spacious parcel with significant frontage on West Indian Springs Road, which is a major collector road. There is on-site infrastructure.

There is proper infrastructure when it comes to roadways, dedications. There have been significant improvements on the site itself, which lends itself very well to a small event venue such as Rancho Bravo is what it's being called. The site's location places it as a at a unique intersection of jurisdictions and land use designations. Next slide, please. This map illustrates the surrounding zoning context here.

Our site marked in the center is zoned RU 43 in Maricopa County. To the East, of course, you have Avondale's major sports and entertainment district itself. City Of Goodyear has rural zoning to the South and to the Northwest. And, of course, to the North, you have Gila River with with a very large buffer of open space to the North. So I would like to mention we have roughly 150 acres of space to the north from a property owner called Spartan Industries.

They are in support of this application itself. Next slide, please. So in order to get a feel for the property on the ground and really understand some of the unique aspects of this, which lend itself very well to a use such as this. It's very important to see the site from the street itself. It's a large open property with substantial native vegetation.

The parcel has significant depth, next slide, please, of roughly 600 feet on its longest sides, and you can see a clear natural buffer. This is the existing state of the parcel. There's an existing home right here on the right, and this is looking Northwest into the parcel from the southeast portion of the site. This is a sprawling rural property well suited for a low intensity use we are proposing. Now the site's regional location is a key factor in its suitability for an event venue.

Next slide, please. And this further highlights the depth of the site. Any events, any sort of activity will be on the north portion of the site in the North center. We have several site plans which we'll be showing you, which really highlight how far away or how tucked away the requested uses are from, first and foremost, the street and other uses around us as well as the residences to the south. Next slide, please.

So this map highlights our proximity to the Phoenix International Raceway. The Phoenix International Raceway will host up to 150,000 to 200,000 people in a given weekend. There are events such as decadence on New Year's Eve that run as late as three to four in the morning. We are, of course, are not requesting things like that, madam chair. We do believe it creates sort of a precedent.

It creates an infrastructure that allows a small reservation only type event venue to be established here so long as we can mitigate any sort of impacts to the neighbors to the south. Now let's turn to the specifics of the site plan in our existing infrastructure. Next slide, please. So the site is already well equipped for our proposed use. The applicant resides in the main house on the site, providing twenty four seven on-site management.

The core of the event infrastructure is a 1,600 square foot open sided gazebo in which we are hoping to have events such as quinceaneras, weddings, small religious events, things like that. There's an existing 7,000 square foot patio, permanent restrooms which exist on septic, and a critical feature here is the site's topography itself. So the site slopes downward roughly 10 to 12 feet from the southern portion of the site to the northern portion of the site as it flows naturally down to Gila River. There is dense natural vegetation, which is already existing itself. The access is proposed by two wide u shaped driveways in which we have 88 parking spaces planned itself.

Everything is already dust controlled. As vice chair Fernandez mentioned, sometimes these event venues come in as a violation. Unfortunately, we are one of those people, but if you notice, our case number is 240001. We have been in discussions and negotiations with both the neighbors as well as county staff for nearly two years now, and we believe what we're finally requesting is a happy medium here. Next slide, please.

So this shows the very dense, substantial vegetation on the site. If you look at where that red dot is in the center of the site itself, that's roughly where most of the proposed uses will be, tucked roughly 300 feet north of the southern property line. Next slide, please. This is an aerial, and I'm going to show you how the proposed site plan tucks neatly into the site itself. Next slide. And again, thank you so much for driving the bus here. I appreciate you. And one more slide again. So this is the site plan itself. You can see the U shaped driveway provides a smooth ingress, egress onto West Indian Springs Road.

The 88 parking spaces are located on the northeast portion of the site to not inundate the southern portion of the site or to have heavy traffic showing from the a road frontage. We have the gazebo, the patio, and all of the uses are situated on the northern portion of the site. Now one of the things we amended recently, honorable chair, is if you look in the center of the site just a little north, you can see that green u shaped feature. So what we have proposed to address some of the neighborhood concerns is a 10 foot sound wall that will be u shaped. On top of that, we are proposing 10 trees to be planted in a u shape as well to push noise north.

Our goal is not to upset the neighbors to the south. We understand there's substantial opposition here. We believe most of those concerns were from 2024 when this originally came about. I was brought in here by Juan Bravo Villanueva and his family to help mitigate some of the impacts of the site, and I think we've been working very efficiently with county staff to make sure that we do not impact any neighbors to the south. Next slide, please.

And this is the final site plan. As you can see here, everything will be talked to the north. Next slide, please. So I'd like to talk a little bit about my client, Juan Bravo Villanueva. He will be living on the site, and he's not just a property owner. He is a longtime resident who lives on the land itself. He and his small family are from Mexico right on the Pacific Coast where outdoor gatherings, quinceaneras, weddings, religious events, and outdoor activities are at the heart of the community life here. So this is not just a business. This is a passion project that he is hoping to do this with his family. His daughters were just here.

Unfortunately, they had to screw off to work. So we appreciate his family being here. And to realize this vision, we are requesting a ten year special use permit, which provides operational abilities, checks and balances. We understand that we have the neighborhood that will keep us in check. We understand that the stipulations we will have today will be monitored by those who are living and residing in the neighborhoods. We're not trying to get away with everything with anything at all. Our goal here is to ensure that this tucks in neatly with the community. Next slide. So as I mentioned, we would like to be transparent about the history of this project. The original application was filed in June 2024 after a violation.

My client signed then a a compliance agreement in May 2025 and retained Greenman Law Firm shortly after that to proactively and properly entitle this. So, unfortunately, this did come in originally as a violation. I'd like to discuss the scope and scale. And I think one of the things that's really important here is discussing how much this site has changed over the last two years, and we've been working with the county to ensure that we've minimized our impact here. Next slide, please.

So after all the community feedback and response to staff and communities' concerns, we have a request here to permit a private reservation only rural event venue that functions for weddings, religious events, quinceaneras. We've removed all high intensity uses. There were rodeos at one point. There were horse shows at one point and large scale concerts. They have all been removed from this request.

We are also proposing a light amend to specific operational hours, which we will discuss shortly, including a proposal to remain closed on Mondays as a gesture of goodwill to the neighbourhood. I would like to point out that this will not be used every single day of the week. The site already features high quality permanent improvements, which I'd like to show you now. Next slide, please. So this is the site itself. We have existing improvements. The site has extensive paved patio areas, decorative lighting, and well maintained landscape. This is not an undeveloped piece of land, which is a dirt lot. This has been inspected by the county several times. We understand that this is ADA compliant.

Our goal here is to create a beautiful venue that does not impact the neighbors, and it's supposed to be elegant. It's supposed to be here for weddings, quinceaneras, and culturally relevant events for families. Next slide, please. And this is just another one shows one of the entryways in which people will walk in on. It is ADA compliant.

Next slide, please. And this is the sound wall to the left here, which will push noise to the north in Tahila River, and it will not push noise up the hill to the mountains to our south. And next slide. Our goal here is to create an event venue which will be private and for reservation only. For food, guests can choose to cater or to honor cultural traditions, bring their own food under a strict pack in, pack out model.

So our goal is to keep this pristine. Our goal is to make sure that we do not disrupt any of the environmental concerns, especially with the Gila River directly to our north. Alcohol will be managed on a BYOB or a bartender basis. We will have on-site bartenders checking IDs. We will have on-site security at all events, and we will enforce a low speed strict limit of anyone using the driveway itself.

Next slide, please. So the proposal is not only compatible with the immediate neighborhood but also aligns with the county's vision in the 2030 plan. Several aspects of this this request falls under the land use and efficiency model, the environmental stewardship model, economic growth for a small business owned by a a family, and, of course, the fiscal responsibility by use an existing developed site without burdening public infrastructure. Furthermore, our proposal meets all the specific standards for environmental or for event venues in the zoning ordinance. Next slide, please.

Under section one zero zero one dot one dot one zero, I won't say that again. There are specific standards which must be adhered to for special event venues without rattling all of these through. I'll we adhere to every single one of them. There are specific sizes. There are specific dustproof parking. We agree to provide access for code enforcement for any sort of on-site inspections. Next slide, please. And one more slide again. Thank you so much. So one of the things that really makes this site unique and helps mitigate the impact to neighbors to the south is the natural topography of the site.

This exhibit shows from our or I apologize. Next slide, please. So this exhibit shows our natural grade. So the site on the southernmost portion sits at 936 feet of elevation. As you go north to the northern property line, you sit at 924.

So at the street, you go down roughly 12 feet to the back of the property. And it's extremely important because it helps mitigate sound, mitigate light. Of course, we've done a photometric plan, and we have ensured that we will have zero candlelight in all corners of the property exiting the property itself. We've also done a traffic impact statement, which was approved by MICDA and the city of Avondale, and it confirmed that the existing road network is more than sufficient to handle limited traffic for roughly 176 people. Most of the dedications, most of the improvements have been done as we have the Phoenix Raceway to the immediate east, which hosts up to 40,000 people per day.

So we believe that has lent itself to mitigate the impact of some of the site improvements and infrastructure improvements which are already in place. Next slide. So the effects from the road here when you talk about the topographical nature of this is striking. So from the road, this is a Google Street's view. This is the frontage of the property. And as you can clearly see, there is a tilt downward toward Gila River. You cannot see anything in the property. There are buildings behind that. There are structures behind that, and you clearly cannot see them because of the dense vegetation and because of the slope itself. Next slide, please.

One of the things we'd like to ensure to not upset the community is noise control. Any music will be tucked around that 10 foot shield and directed north away from any residences to the south. We've added that screen wall, and the goal here is to direct sound to the north to the river itself and not upset any homes to the south. When it comes to lighting control, I'd auto I already mentioned our photometric plan, which I'll show you shortly. Our goal is to have fully shielded fixtures, bollard lights, which remain very close to the ground to light our walkways themselves.

Next slide. This is the proposed sound wall, which we've worked with with county staff to show noise will go to the north, not to the south. Next slide again. And that, of course, is the sound wall on the left. Next slide. This is the proposed and approved photometric plan. As you can see, we will be using lights that have shades on the top and low bollards to prevent any sort of light spilling out to our neighbors. So next slide, please. I'd like to address some of the modifications we're requesting to the proposed staff stipulations. We believe they're reasonable and necessary here for the viable operation of the venue itself.

The first is a bit of a a bookkeeping issue. Stipulation a was regarding the original site plan we submitted maybe four months ago. Our new site plan just has that 10 foot wall as well as the increased trees that create a U shaped parcel or a U shaped small area to help push any sort of sound of the north. So we are requesting that we change that stipulation to today's stamped site plan. Next slide, please. So the next request is regarding modification of hours of operation. Staff has proposed a shutdown time of ten p. M. On weekdays or, I apologize, eight p. M.

On weekdays and ten p. M. On weekends. We are requesting a modification to allow events to run until 10PM on weeknights and midnight until Fridays and Saturdays. The rationale, we believe, is fairly straightforward.

Cultural events such as quinceaneras and weddings traditionally run a bit later into the evening. A 10PM cutoff on a Saturday night curtails these celebrations typically at their peak. Given our extensive noise mitigation, the topographical nature of the site, of course, the Phoenix Raceway, which sits just a half mile to our east or so, we we believe the trees, the new wall will help mitigate the operating impact here. As anyone who's been to a wedding, sometimes people usually clear out by right around 09:30. The events are much smaller coming into 10PM.

And, again, our goal is to have on-site security. We'll have potentially noise mitigation expert if the county requests it to make sure we will not have any noise spillage to the south. That being said, as a gesture of compromise, we have offered to remain closed entirely on Mondays. And, of course, anyone who's been to a wedding knows event attendance naturally decreases in into the night itself. Another amend we are requesting here is the lighting. We are requesting a one hour buffer from when the event closes to when the lights may shut off. This is for public safety. This is for cleanup. Again, music will not be going off during this this time. This is to help people get out of the property safely.

Next slide. This shows how far away we are from neighbors to the south. This is the parcel shown in orange here. We have roughly a 600 foot buffer from any sort of area of this property, which we will have events, maybe some dancing, maybe a quinceanera will occur right there, we're roughly 600 linear feet away across a major collector road to the neighbors to the south. And, of course, we have the Phoenix Raceway parking roughly one parcel to the east of us.

Next slide. And I'd already mentioned the request to modify the stipulation of lighting itself. We are requesting a one hour buffer from whenever we are closed. And again, this is purely for public safety and operational necessity here. Next slide. And one more slide again. So throughout this process, I think it's really important here that we talk about neighborhood feedback. We do understand that there is substantial opposition. I believe most of that opposition occurred in 2024 and 2025. Our goal here was to engage with the neighbors to understand most of their concerns were about noise or about traffic and hours of operation.

We've listened. We've added the noise wall. We've scaled back the intensity of the venue. I'm gonna show you a quick site plan evolution from where we started to where we are and to show you how much we've given back. And our again, our goal is not to, put something here that will not work. Our goal is to minimize our own impact while still adhering to operational standards of something typical for a wedding or a kins in Europe. Next slide, please. This is the original site plan. It is somewhat difficult to see. This was submitted in roughly April 2024.

This was huge. The top left here in the Northwest corner, there was a rodeo ring that was gonna be used for shows, for concerts. There is a massive parking element to the Southwest here. Next slide, please. In a blink of an eye, all that's gone, and we have the extra parking on the Northwest portion of the site. Next slide, please. That parking was removed to help create more open space and to give it more of a rural feel and to mitigate the impact on the neighbors itself. Next slide, please. And this is the final slide. So after discussion with neighbors, after discussion with county staff, we've added that small ring, that U shaped ring to help push noise to the north.

As you can see, we have support from many neighbors on the next slide that shows how many people and individuals and organizations have expressed support. We just had 16 more letters of support that were sent in yesterday. Unfortunately, they did not make it out of the memo, but I know they were sent to Andrew, who's been wonderful to work with. Next slide. This is an operational map that shows those in support.

And if you notice, many of those who are directly next to this venue are in support. Importantly, the neighbor to the direct north owns 150 acres of adjacent property. Our neighbors to the Southeast, directly Southeast, east, and then further east. Any portion of the parcels to the west are vacant, roughly 1,000 feet before you hit the next residence itself. And of course, as you can see, you have Phoenix Raceway to the East. Next slide, please. Thank you so much. And I appreciate you didn't ask time because I was thinking twenty minutes, and I don't want to say it out loud. Hopefully I'm Yes, close to close. Lovely.

Perfect. Okay. Perfect. One more slide. So to conclude here, Rancho Bravo is a family owned, low intensity venue that perfectly fits the character area of this neighborhood. We have come a long way here. We've proposed reasonable and necessary adjustments to ensure the neighborhood compatibility and the operational viability of a small reservation owned or reservation only event that will be run by a small family here. So we full we respect respectfully request the commission recommend approval of s u 240001 to the board of supervisors with the requested modifications to the conditions, including the site plan, the hours of operation, and the lighting. Thank you.

Thank you. Commissioners have any comments or questions at this time? Nope. Then we'll go to public comment. Thank you.

Thank you.

Mr. DelMato. And following Mr. John DelMato, we'll have Matthews. And please state your name for the record. All speakers have two minutes.

Good afternoon, lady chairman and the board. I appreciate you giving us this time to talk about Rancho Bravo. Now you've seen all the stuff that I've just seen. A lot of that is new to me because I never get update. Nobody sends any updates. The county says, we're gonna send you a postcard that says we're having a meeting. We're only sending it to 300 feet from the property. Well, you already showed that I'm 600 feet from the property, so nobody gets your card. Okay? And if any of you let's go on to the next point. Noise. Okay? Mariachi. I have nothing against it. It's pretty great music, but not when it goes to two or three in the morning.

Okay? And I live that they don't show you on that map across from his driveway to get in, and another neighbor of mine lives in his driveway to get out. K? I don't know how you're gonna handle that noise because as soon as that noise comes, I'm gonna be on the phone to 911 as soon as it breaks the decimal level. I've submitted photos. I've submitted videos so you can see what it's like with the cars coming in, the cars coming out, the traffic, the cars squealing. What's gonna happen when we start having accidents? Well, hey. Even worse, gunfire. Okay?

Now gunfire, let's bring that up. There is a lot of gunfire behind the North section. K? Sheriff has been there for many years trying to get the shooters out of there. They're not doing nothing. This is not needed in our neighborhood. I understand what he wants to do, and I can agree with that if it was in a different area and it's not next to my house. Okay? I don't know what you can do about it. The only thing I would say is deny the application. It's all I can say to you people. It's a government. I'm an individual. I know what happens. I have nothing.

The government does what they want anyway. Alright? So good luck, and let's put this to bed and get rid of it. Okay? We'll modify it much more than it is. I see the 300 car parking is gone. I don't know what that's up to now. I see the rodeo is gone because I was gonna say, why do we need two rodeos? One up the block at the top of the hill and one down here. You guys figure it out. Let me know.

Thank you, mister. Next, we'll have Kurt Matthews followed by Gary Geiger.

Hello, and thank you. My name is Curt Matthews. I'm here to support the Bravo event men venue. I just wanna say a couple words is, basically, I moved out here twenty one years ago, moved out to Goodyear from the Midwest. And when we first moved out here, wanted to have a party for my wife's fiftieth birthday, and we found that there was no venues in the West Side to have this at.

So we looked around, and we ended up having it in Scottsdale. So now here it is twenty years later. Now our daughter's gonna get married, and now we wanna have all our family from our only country come in and have a place to stay. But this time, wanna see if we can find something on the West Side. And here, we have something, you know, possibly here to do it, and that would be great.

You know, they have the family close by and get to experience the West Side and, basically, be more convenient for everybody. But we would also feel it'd be good for the local economy around here. The hotels that are usually, you know, semi dormant during, you know, the middle of the season when NASCAR and stuff's not there, they're gonna have some, you know, you know, stimulant for that and the local businesses, restaurants, and all that would I think I've you know, basically, I can't figure out the word, you know, approve of this and you know? I don't know. I'm I'm I'm a little nervous up here. So but

It's fine.

No. But, basically, I just wanna say I approve it, and I think it's a great idea to have something on the West Side. And that's it. I appreciate your time. Thank you.

Thank you for coming. Mister Gary Guider followed by Tony Dumont.

Yeah. My name is Gary Guider, Juan. Juan and I have known each other since he bought the property. He lives right across the street from me. I have nothing against you, Juan. I do have a I'm not for his project that he's building down there. The noise goes on till two or three, 04:00 in the morning. Juan's even gonna come over to my house and personally apologize for the excessive noise. He did go ahead and build his second exit, which you saw, which comes out. And if you pull out of it, you'll go directly into my driveway.

That was built without a permit. It was not built by code. He is not a longtime resident of our neighborhood. He bought the property, I believe, in 2020, was not a full time resident till probably the last year or two. I don't know exactly when he moved in there. But I don't believe you should give him a permit. I don't believe he'll stay in the time zones that, you know, you've established, and I just don't think it's a good idea. Most of our neighbors do not want it in there, and I just don't think that he'll stay to the destinations that he said he's going to. And I don't believe this little sound quality put up is gonna keep the noise down. So you guys make the decision.

It's up to you. It's in your court. Thank you. Thank you.

Tony Damato followed by Eric Niemeyer.

Good morning chair and members of the board. My name is Tony Diamano and I am a nearby resident. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak today. I am here to respectfully ask that you deny the special use permit for Rancho Bravo to operate as an event venue hosting rodeos, large parties, and similar gatherings in our rural residential area. The events that have already taken place have been extremely loud.

Because of the open desert landscape, the sound travels far, bouncing off the mountains and echoes back into the neighborhood. The noise has continued until two and even three in the morning. Families cannot sleep. Children cannot sleep. The level of noise and amplifications is so intense at times that it causes physical discomfort.

The property backs up to a wildlife preserve. The excessive noise and activity disturb the wildlife and push animals out of the area. Many of us chose to live here because of the quiet and the open space and the opportunity to enjoy nature. Residents here own parcels ranging from one and a half acres to 20 acres and more. We invested in this community for peace and serenity, not commercial entertainment.

There are also safety concerns. Our road is used regularly by bicyclists, organized cycling groups, and neighbors walking to exercise. Large events increase traffic, create congestion, and pose risk to pedestrians and cyclists. There is already a racetrack down the road, adding another high traffic venue compounds the problem. This is rural residential land.

Commercial event venues belong in properly zoned commercial areas where infrastructure and buffering are designed for the level of activity. We are not opposed to someone enjoying their property. We are opposed to ongoing commercial events that negatively impact surrounding homeowners and wildlife. I respectfully ask you to protect the character of our community and deny the special use permit. I am hoping that all the letters, fifty fifty community residents have denied this re request and do not like this idea because of the noise and problems that it has come about.

I want to thank you for the time and consideration for listening to me and my concerns. Thank you, and have a nice day. Thank you for coming down.

Eric Niemeyer followed by Dallas Gangstadt.

Good morning, madam chair, vice chair, members of the commission. My name is Eric Niemeyer. I live at 13415 West South Mountain Road, which is in the community just south of the proposed venue. And I am a business consultant with twenty years of investigative experience and extensive real estate knowledge. I do not know mister Bravo other than the time that I spent last week reviewing his paperwork and going down to his property.

And so I've just spoken with him twice and been on his property twice once. I'm not being compensated for my opinion. My opinion is is that the measures to impact noise abatement have been positive. And, also, one of the things that I don't think has been highlighted by his counsel is that where you look at the roadway, he he did mention that you can't see down below, but it is as much as 15 feet down below. And there's a 100 to a 150 mature trees down there, which have a natural ability to absorb sound.

The road today, I'm gonna go home, and there's gonna be maybe a 100,000 people a mile from my house. And that road, he showed it where it was a two lane road, but actually Phoenix International Raceway, when they're doing their ingress and egress of those 200,000 up to 200,000 people, that road will accommodate the egress of all those people within a three to four hour period. So I don't think the traffic trafficers there's any safety concerns there. I believe that this should be approved. I think it's reasonable. And that's what I've got to say. Pending questions? Thank you for your time. Thank you, sir.

And Dallas Gangstad is the final in person speaker.

Morning, commission. I'm Dallas Gangstad. I'm related to Juan through marriage. And here in support, I've been to several been to that facility several occasions for parties, quinceaneras, and whatnot. And when you're on I forget the name of the highway, but when you're on that road, you cannot if you didn't know where it was, you cannot see that from the highway.

It is that far down and back, and then I'd say it's a good block or more north of the highway. So it's it's very hidden, and like several people have said, there's plenty of trees and sound barriers down there. It's a if you wanna have an event and you don't wanna have it inside, you wanna have an outside one. There's very few. It serves Buckeye, Avondale, Goodyear.

It's an excellent place to have an outside menu that there's very few of in that area. A lot of the complaints were about the hours, and I've noticed that they've con conceded a cutback on those. And I questioned the 50 letters of noise complaints because there's not 50 people that live in that that close to them. You know? There may be a couple, but I I I'm here in support.

We've had lots of good parties there. I don't I don't recall the noise ever getting that crazy or that loud, and I hope it can continue. Thank you.

Thank you.

Do we

have any speakers online? No speakers online. Online. Alright. Would the applicant like to come back?

Madam chair, if I may, my client has informed me that there are several more people here that are in support, but because they were at work or something similar, they didn't have time to fill out these cards before the hearing. Are we able to extend the public comment to allow a few more people to speak, madam chair?

I will let you decide because we may lose our quorum at noon.

Understood.

So I'm happy to let them speak, but it means that we may depending on how long the deliberation goes, we may lose our quorum. If they'd like to raise their hand to demonstrate? Okay.

I was thinking that, madam chair. People to my left, who is here in support of this, who has come from work, come from the neighborhood? And if

you could still fill out a

card, because if you fill out a card that says wish to speak or do not wish

to speak, they can fill out a card to demonstrate their support and just indicate that you do not wish to speak.

Let me put

that on

the record.

You. Thank you.

And thank you for the heads up on that, Madam Chair. I apologize for taking so long. No worries.

I just learned it myself a few minutes ago.

Madam Chair, let the record reflect that there are probably 10 more people here in support. I understand they will be submitting those as well, but I remain open for questions. If I may, first and foremost, address the public comment. Is that okay, madam? Yes.

I'd like to thank mister and missus Damato for coming as well as mister Glider. There were concerns about noise and traffic and operations going up until two to three in the morning. I would like to make it clear to those in opposition as well as the board. When you stipulate to midnight, when you stipulate to a specific hour of operation, we understand that the stipulation is a check and balance of us. We understand that if we violate, we have neighbors ready to report this, ready to call this in.

And if this gets reported two or three times, this special use permit will be rescinded, and we fully understand that. My client fully understands that. Mister Damato had mentioned the removal of the rodeo. We believe the removal of the rodeo is a wonderful wonderful thing. We only have 88 cars proposed. The gentleman, Eric, I believe, just spoke that there are 10,000 cars coming in and out of the Phoenix Raceway on the weekends. We're proposing 88 cars. We believe that our minimal traffic that will exist between 6PM and maybe midnight will not inundate the roads. It will not inundate the infrastructure. And, of course, the infrastructure is already in place as a major collector road.

We've added the noise wall. We're willing to stipulate to the noise. There was some discussion about gunfire. It is a very large area up there. I can assure the board that my client does not allow guns or gunfire on the property itself. So we understand the concerns. We appreciate the concerns. We know that many of the concerns were from 2024, even 2025. Our understanding of this is that the stipulation for whatever this board chooses will keep us in check. We understand that this can be removed, this can be rescinded, and my client can lose all of this in a day.

So our formal request is to extend Fridays and Saturdays to midnight as well as a one hour buffer of lighting for operational safety so we can close. That being said, I am open for comments, feedback, concerns at any time, madam chair. Honorable board. Thank

you. Commissioners? Yes. Commissioner Finter? Realize we're

under time constraints. I remember when we had the wedding venue in Gilbert come through, and they had a whole process of monitoring noise that involved decibels, the sheriff's office, different things. I thought, wow. That's pretty innovative because they were concerned about the surrounding houses. Is that a standard that the county uses? It seemed very standard.

Madam chair, commissioner Fincher, we previously in in the past, we I know Superstition Manor at Signal Butte and Brown in the Northeast Mesa area had a condition of no noise may be measured higher than 65 decibels at any lot line because that was the ambient level of background noise in the surrounding community. And that may have been somewhat similar busier road, but somewhat similar in development patterns. It's minor saying, though, that there was a statute passed about five years ago that required any noise levels to be read by certain calibrated equipment by the sheriff's office or the police, which would prevent P and D code enforcement from enforcing specific decibel levels. Yeah. But but we do have we do have conditions in there about noise ordinance in the sheriff enforcement.

Oh, wonderful. I'm sorry I missed that. So that was my hope that we'd be able to address those concerns with that. Thank you,

and, madam chair, I've been reminded that I believe you're talking about a facility out in the Gilbert area named White Barn, and they had implemented, decimal readers. It's a bit larger of a facility, but they had they had implemented that due to the opposition to in the immediate neighborhood. But that was not a staff enforcement issue. That was something they were doing on their own.

Thank you. Any other comments or questions? Folks online?

All right. Yep. All right. So we'll go ahead. Yeah. I guess I'm not really a big proponent of wedding venues, any kind of venue in area. I don't think it fits the zoning. Zoning does allow for certain types of cottage industries, and I do not believe that this falls into it. I think it's can be a nuisance to the neighbors, and I appreciate the applicants adjusting hours and stuff, but I just I I can't get behind wedding venues inside of r e 43 neighborhoods. So I think the other one that Fincher was talking about was indoors.

So I think something like that might be a little more acceptable, but an outdoor event venue, just can't support in a RE 43 residential areas.

Thank you. Commissioner Finter.

I was just gonna say having lived in one or, you know, the same circumstance, it's a nightmare for neighborhood ongoing. This is in the city of Mesa. I've never seen people so mad about how loud. So I get your reasoning for that. It's been really challenging for, you know, big big properties, big homes, and loud noises. It's it's tough.

Any other comments from commissioners?

I know we're on a time crunch here. So with that, I will recommend, denial of S U 240001 Rancho Bravo.

Do we have a second?

Second. Vice vice chair, if I may. Yes. Madam chair, if I may direct a question to vice chair. First and foremost, I'd like to to point out that staff's recommendation was originally for approval with stipulations. On top of that, we have the natural topography, which helps push any noise to the north. We are also well situated to have several people in support of this, those who live immediately adjacent to the property. Would you would you not agree that those would be indicative of at least approval to stipulations recommended by the county? Vice chair?

I do not. Like I said, I think if this were an indoor venue, maybe, but, you know, I do live in a rural area as well. Sound does carry out there. I I don't think that this is an appropriate location for a wedding venue. I I think it's better than some other cases that we've seen in the past, but I just I don't I I don't think that this is what the intent of an r u 43 zoning is is for. And, yes, there is a lot of support. There is also a lot of opposition, people who live directly, you know, there. So

Understood, vice chair. Alright. We have

a motion by vice chair Fernandez and, second by commissioner Rockwallak.

Commissioner Finter?

Yes.

Vice chair Hernandez?

Yes.

Commissioner Lawrence?

Yes.

Chair Mulhaven? Yes. Commissioner Rockwallak?

Yes.

Commissioner Toma?

He has indicated he votes yes to deny.

Okay. Thank you. Commissioner Whitney?

Yes.

Chair, we have a motion for denial by a vote of seven to zero. Thank you.

Thank you, chair.

All right. We'll move on to do

we have time to get to the next item?

Yes. And, madam chair, I'll say for the record that that case with the recommendation from the commission for denial does proceed to the April, eighth board of supervisors Okay.

Okay. Okay. We have the commissioner Lynn Bomson. He can join at 12:30. Madam chair? Yes. If it helps keep things moving, I will try and move my hard conflict to 12:30 instead of noon. Is that do we need mister Whitney to do that?

We still have commissioner Toma on, so that gives us six, and that's the quorum.

Okay. So, commissioner Whitney, we're okay. Commissioner Toma, can you stick with us?

Right. But we need all of them for we have seven. Yes. And commissioner Toma indicated he will stick with us.

Okay. Sounds like you're good to go, mister Whitney. Okay. Thank you. I'll stay as long as I can. I appreciate that. Okay. So we will carry on. We'll move on to item 7SU250009, Moreland Yard backyard rentals.

Good morning, madam chair, members commission. Agenda item 7SU259, which I'm from I'm I'm states and established subdivision platter for single family homes. This is accessed via local residential streets not designed for commercial event traffic. The updated zoning warrants now requires a three acre minimum for outdoor venues specifically to address compatibility issues like this. While this application was submitted before the standard took effect should be noted that if the application were to continue until July that the application itself would become moot and that a new rezone to c three will be required to effectuate site operations.

Next slide. The property owner was first cited in early twenty twenty four for operating event venue without proper zoning entitlement. That violation was closed in May 2025 after the owner represented that operation had ceased. By September 2025 staff received new complaints confirming that events have resumed. As of the staff report and as of this morning, the venue continues to advertise publicly.

In addition to the unpermitted use, there are multiple unpermitted structures on-site, including a shed converted to a bridal suite, a garage addition that exceeds maximum lot coverage, and a 12 foot fence where eight feet is the maximum allowed. A second violation was opened in November 2025 specifically for that fence. In the event this application is to be approved, the owner would need to have those structures permitted prior to legally restarting operations. Next slide. Staff also notes material discrepancies between the application and actual operations.

The narrative indicates we can only hours from noon to 11PM with 75 guests maximum, no amplified music, and all parking on-site. Staffing evidence of listings which advertise operation from 6AM to midnight accommodating up to 200 guests with street parking and with language that the hosts are quote pretty flexible with no real rules. Since January 2024, the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office responded to this address 53 times. 42 of those calls were disturbing the peace. 68% of those calls were received between 7PM and 6AM.

The nearest Sheriff's Office station is approximately 12 miles away with an average sixteen minute response time. Finally, would note that the super majority requirement has been triggered, which requires majority of the board to approve this item if it reaches the board level. And so for those reasons, staff has recommended commission recommend a recommendation of denial to the board of supervisors. This time, I'm happy answering questions.

Thank you. Would the African light speak?

Thank you, board. I have PowerPoint. Appreciate your comments from the last case, so I'll I'll keep it as brief as I can looking at everything. But you this is the site for Moreland Backyard Events. Next slide.

So you can see where it is here. It is just south of the Interstate 10 area and just south also the Luke Air Force Base area. You can actually see Interstate 10 in the next slide from this property because there is no sound wall. We're directly next to the prop Interstate 10 as you zoom in so you can see to the North the West, there's some industrial going on. There's actually industrial planned in Goodyear to the South as well. That's a lot vacant piece. The next slide. And you're just zooming in more and more. One thing I wanna get I wanna make a point of it on this this project is this area is slowly transitioning. There's a lot of home occupations going on that are not inside the homes.

There's a lot of businesses conducting operations in this area. It's very close to freeway access, new industrial commercial areas. It is very much transitioning. There's a lot of vacant properties that there's a single lander that it's holding onto. Not for purpose, but it it is it is there's homes in the area which people will be at for, I'm sure, a very long time. I actually entitled a case across the street for an RC racetrack that was approved that's operating. So people are definitely using this site for more commercial type uses on their own. Actually, even that truck storage property that's actually in the city of Goodyear has not been entitled, but it is also used for truck storage on-site. And so you're seeing a lot of this transition. Next slide.

Here you can see the Maricopa County White Takes land use plan, single family rural single family rural residential, and you're also seeing the Luke Air Force Base Contours coming in there. Then And you see the Goodyear land use plan as well. You can see that it has scenic neighborhood for the area, but directly surrounding the entire community is business and commerce because that is what is PADs for that. Next. And, again, the next one is the zoning. So you can see the zoning that's you have the rural the rural 43 kind of being kinda like one of those islands you're seeing a lot of times within jurisdictions. It's just it's surrounded by commerce and industry as it's becoming more dense. And then you can also see the Goodyear general plan. It has the PAD, which I have on here, and I contacted the town. It's PAD for business park, light, industrial, and commercial.

So they are envisioning a transitioning as well. Next slide. Here is the site plan for the project. They have the live on-site that's existing house. It's for the to allow the property to for the existing backyard to outdoor venue on weekends, looking at Friday, Saturday, and Sundays, requesting for events to go in from noon until 10:00 with a maximum of 75 people.

And with that, they've also with working with neighbors, unfortunately, as most things happen, this was a code violation case as well. People don't realize you can't have parties in your backyard despite all the ads and websites that allow you to rent them out. They should probably put a copy on there, like, please seek your municipal authority first. But they have dealt with some of the things when neighbors were complaining about things, so they put in that's where the 12 foot screening came in. They put Ficus trees in.

They have security cameras, which they'll show you. They have a decibel reader. They tried to accommodate kind of things to appease the neighbors through this process. And they agreed to all of the stipulations that staff has put in your packet except for one they would request, but it's up to your, obviously, discretion if you so choose to move forward, is that the no amplified music or speakers because they do have a decibel reader on-site, and they do have an agreement in place with the neighbor to the south as to the decibel reader that they are acceptable of. And so that's what they've been operating under.

However, it's obviously up to your discretion if you wanted to adjust that. Next slide. Here is the neighborhood meeting we had. This is you know, we had neighbors in support and against. You can see the walls on-site. We showed them the exact layout with the where you're looking at. They saw the venue itself. You can see everybody who signed in. Next slide. It was a being this is a just gonna be honest, this is a very, unfortunately, neighbor versus neighbor hostile environment going on.

There's been a lot of fighting between the neighbors over the years. And so we had some pictures, and so they asked to be removed from the photos. That's why they're blacked out. And so there's a lot of, I think, issues regarding the the calls. Next slide, please. There's been a lot of calls that have gone in. And so here you can see the fence. We actually had to put a no firearms on the door because we are being threatened with firearms that they would bring them. And then we also have showing you the cameras up on there recording, and they record the property of the parking lot, the area, because there were complaints and, you know, saying that there was accidents and people were doing things at other people's property. There's been no no none of the calls that have ever been justified.

All the citations and calls that for the police department have been unfounded. Nothing was cited. They just it's almost to the point of just repetitive, repetitive, repetitive. And you can see the decimal reader there. We were on-site kinda talking, and that's what it was. There were a couple times during the event that we had to halt talking because of with air force base, you cannot hear when a plane flies over. It's very, very loud. So this is nowhere near that kind of level. But they're but they're one of the options I was talking with them about was if you wanted to put a live reading of the decimal reader on the website so everybody can look at it in live time because everybody says they churn it down the second it gets reported. I don't know how they would know, but there's all kinds of options.

They're just trying to make it as much open communication as possible. Next slide. So here you can see again the wall and the screening, the setup. I've been informed that Bridal Casita was was a prebuilt shed, had no permanent water or electricity to it. But due to the issues, I've been informed that it was removed in 2025 because of the items. It was simply a place for someone to get final preparations before walking down the aisle. And then they just had, like, an electric at the time, they just had a extension cord hooking up the light and some port air conditioner. So

and

then you can see these ficus trees are still growing, so they put up a little bit of a screening until those at the time that those ficus trees fill in. Next one. And so approval, you know, of this would be stipulated to those exact things, hours of operation, days of the week, lighting, noise, all those things. Could not expand the uses. They're restricting all on-site parking.

Previously, they had tried to work negotiation with someone across the street, and we've discussed with staff. Found out that was not an option. So remove that so that they're also to get back from the 200 to the 75 max persons to accommodate the 42 lots parking spaces on-site with ADA compliance. And they are as mentioned, the code has recently changed, but there were similar stories in the past of a for event venues on one acre lots being approved. I've been at several cases in the past few years as an audience member watching.

And here's there's just some of them listed there. A couple of them are one acre. Some are longer. Some are larger. Some of them have even had had the opportunity to provide the event venue space and then be remanded back because they had violations. And that's all I'm asking is that for my client that they have the opportunity to try to show that they will meet these things. And if they don't, it it gets removed. That's it's the you know, like, last one they said, the neighbors are very interested to show that. So it's just the opportunity to follow the process of what you guys are stipulating to. Next slide.

And so the timeline, again, it was in January 2024, backyard and net venues with trailer storage. He has a commercial trailer that a semi he was parking on-site. So that got removed. That that that said history was removed. We began work with me in the 2024. We had the pre op meeting in July 2024. Started putting together the SCP application. We've been working through it. Truck storage ceased and removed commercial truck storage in 05/00/2005. The new operation ceased in May 2025, but it sounds like they may have done some smaller events.

I've seen a couple of pictures I said of some family events, a baby shower, and a fiftieth anniversary. I'm not sure if it was them or not, but they request to keep the existing 12 foot fence to address the violation. That's a request in SUP to keep for the security and the, you know, screening. And then MC, American Bush County Sheriff's received totally 53 calls, and none resulted in any citations. They were not brought in for everything. Nothing was called. They had a disorderly contact conduct, which one of the neighbors filed against him. That was also dismissed. And in September, there was another one filed that's still under review. This is, I mentioned, this is 24 signatures on the petition from actually only 11 properties.

They had also have two that I could not locate. They're actually not in the area. And then there's several emails which are from those seven same 11 properties. They also have a lot of neighbors in the community that are in support of it. It unfortunately, I know you can't it's a when it's neighbor issues, it's I like to keep it to the code.

And so for the code purposes of a planning approval, simply just following the code and processes and let the neighbors argue amongst themselves and deal with it once that the planning department could go in for code compliance or the sheriff's department can go in and see something, but so far, nothing has been founded by the sheriff's department. Next slide. So really, that's kind of what it is right now. I have other slides demonstrating other areas that are going in the neighborhood that are more commercial in nature that have been occurring. Driving through there was kind of eye opening myself when I went to the neighborhood meeting. However, they can speak. I'm sure there's some people here that wanna speak as well, which I can show those slides of this the for and against opposition in the neighborhood later. So

Thank you.

Thank you.

Alright. We move to public comment. We have Jessica Sarkissian. Oh.

Okay.

Dan Gardner and then David Bandley. Okay. So, mister Bandley, please.

Guess it's good afternoon now. I appreciate you guys taking the time to hear from the neighborhood itself. I sent an email to talk to mister Joel just a little while ago. We've had problems with the neighbor with Ruben in general, the gentleman that owns a property that wants you the special use permit. I'm not in the 300 foot range. I'm almost 850 feet away, and I have two autistic children. We have traffic that speeds down the road because of this venue. My children have been outside, and they've been swerving. We have had loud music. We've reported the sheriffs.

Yeah. The sheriffs don't respond in time. So by the time they get there, the music's turned down. There's been an instance and two actually, two instances where I've called myself, followed the people that have, sped by my house. And on one occasion, mister Rubin has taken his truck, which have a spotlight on it and spotlighted me so that when the sheriff got there and saw me speaking to the sheriff, he kept the light on.

And I'm like, what's going on? I followed the vehicle to see where exactly it went, called you guys to report the speeding vehicle, which vehicle it was, and he's spotlighting me. I know the sheriff said that he was speaking to him to turn the light off. I know that actually went through. I have a video that I sent through about a family member.

We don't know at the time until the sheriffs looked at the video about them swerving towards my vehicle in daylight. I sent that video per Joel. I don't remember the gentleman's name. I'm not looking at my phone right now. But every time that we call the sheriff, their response is more than fifteen minutes.

It's more like forty five minutes to an hour because the sheriff's respond in process of what is more important. I'm not in. I do not want this venue in the area. It has been bringing drunks. It has been bringing people speeding down the dirt roads where there are no lights. It has brought people pulling around corners and hitting walls. It has pulled just the worst kind of neighborhood on those venue nights.

I thank you, mister Bentley.

Thank you.

Danny Gardiner and then Deborah Dunnet.

Hello. I live directly east of this property, and I'm not necessarily opposed to what he's trying to do now. It's how he started this. A friend of mine that was living with me had communication with Melissa, the primary event coordinator, after the first party, informed her of the noise ordinance, informed her of code enforcement, informed her of the need to file a special use permit. It took them over a year to get it.

He has absolutely no compassion for the neighborhood. He infringes on other people's rights. The parking lot that she was talking about that was directly across the street, he didn't have permission to use it. He developed it, and he started renting trucks, spaces on it. After he was thrown off of that property, he went down the street to an property and started using it. More permission, they threw him off of that property. He put up this 12 foot wall. I can't even pull off pull out of my back driveway without being able to see around the corner because this 12 foot wall blocks my view. I have insomnia. When he has parties until 3AM, I don't sleep, and I can't get rest.

It takes me two to three days to recover. The night that my mom died, I was sitting by her bed watching the water on the table vibrate from his damn base. That's the noise. Even when he turns it down, that base is all over our house. It vibrates the windows. It vibrates our TVs. We don't sleep. My special needs brother has sensory issues. Every single time the cars start lining up, his comment. He comes in the house and says the jerk of the world is having another party. That's his comment. He sits down on his bed. He walks back and forth. He holds his ears. He cries.

He goes next door on the fence line and screams at them. This is what we've had to deal with for almost two years now. It took him over a year to apply. He doesn't have any consideration of anyone except his own money making schemes. He doesn't even live on the damn property. He's there specifically to cause problems for us. And if you look at the opposition, there's three people that supposedly sent letters for him that have also sent letters recently opposing. All three of them said they did not sign his letter. So not only is he doing that, but he's forging signatures too. More than 50% of the people in the 300 foot radius oppose, and that should be saying something.

Thank you for coming down. Deborah Dannette.

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for having me. I would like to say that some of the things that Jessica said were not quite accurate. We've had the sheriffs in our homes several times and have

it's beyond the way you press charges

because and they even the officers said that they could hear the music in the base pounding in our in our home. As to the decibel reader that was put up recently, we have had access to it in the last three times that he has had a party there. The decimal reader has been in the rocks, so it's only shown rocks and no decibel levels, and we can still hear the music pounding in our home. A lot of the times that we call the the sheriff's office, as Dave said, they have responded to the call. However, by the time they get there, it's late or, you know, they say, do you wanna call back?

And I've finally gotten to sleep. It's now three or four in the morning, and I get woken up by the sheriff's office as saying, well, it's quiet there now. Yes. It is quiet there now. Everybody's gone. The the roads are dirt. It puts up in an ornament an inordinate amount of dirt. I realize that people think this is transitioning. I've lived here for over twenty two years. I was probably the third house on the property out there, and it's been quiet, and everyone's been respective respectful. I've known all my neighbors until recently, and so I would just request that the board deny this request for having a venue in our neighborhood. Thank you so much for my hearing me.

Thank you. Thank you. I have a card from Ruben with no last name and he did not indicate whether he wishes to speak. Oh, in case. Okay. And then I have two more cards in opposition, but I do not wish to speak. Do we have anybody online? Madam chair, yes. We do have two speakers online, and David's coordinating with them.

Yeah. The first speaker is Beth Keel. Beth, I have you unmuted if you can unmute your device. I also have Nathan Keel. Oh, go ahead, Beth.

It didn't wanna go. So so I I am in opposition. I I've prepared a a brief letter I wanted to read. So good afternoon. My name is Beth Keel. I live near the property involved in case S U 25009 At 1840 West Moorland. I am here to respectfully urge the commission to deny this application. This case is not about the new proposal or a responsible operator seeking approval. It is about an applicant who is already operate has already been operating in an event venue in violation of county rules even after a cease and desist order. Events can have continued.

When law enforcement arrives, they often are told the event is a family gathering or small party, while the same events are openly advertised online as multiple business names. These events regularly bring large crowds, loud amplified music, and unsafe traffic into the quiet residential area. Music and microphone announcements can be heard inside nearby homes hundreds of feet away. Guests parking along the streets, speeding through the neighborhood, and sometimes use or block neighboring private properties without any permission. This has created ongoing disturb disturbance and disruptions and and stress for residents, including families with young children, elderly neighbors, and individuals with special needs.

It has also been re required repeated calls to the sheriff's office diverting law enforcement resources away from other community needs. Approving this application would effectively reward a pattern of noncompliance. The applicant has already shown a willingness to ignore county rules and the rights of neigh of neighboring property owners. For the sake of public safety, fairness, and integrity of the county regulations, I respectfully ask that you deny this application. Thank you for your time.

Thank you. I also have Nathan Keel.

There we go. Can you hear me?

Yep. Yes.

Okay. Great. Hey. Thank you all for giving us the time to talk on this. I'm actually Beth's husband. We live in the Southeast property there, 18332 West Latham Street. And I I did wanna go over and, you know, I listened to his counsel there, and I wanna also reiterate on, the other neighbor speaking on, you know, whatever with this neighborhood transitioning to a commercial state. I I've lived here personally. I own the property. I lived here for almost six years. Nothing is transitioning here quite in fact, it's quite the opposite. There's four houses going in parcels right near us, all of them residential. There's three of them are million dollar plus custom built homes on an acre. This is this is not the place where you do a wedding venue. I mean, this isn't five acres.

This isn't three acres. This is one acre, and this is right across from our backyard. So I wanna just reiterate everyone else's you know, I hear a lot of emotion and stress, and, you know, I'm a pretty level headed person, but I mean, even me at, you know, 11:00 at night trying to work. You know, I run, you know, pretty pretty large size,

you

know, company, and, it is off putting to say the least. It's ridiculous in the fact. And, to the other neighbor's point, the police, I don't know who made the comment where the sheriff's there within an average time of sixteen minutes or that is absolutely inaccurate. And I whatever those numbers are, they are skewed to to hell or not. The the if they come out, and then that's if, it's definitely forty five minutes to to an hour.

We've even had officers tell my wife that the guy is using a police scanner, and he waits till the call comes in, and he'll turn it down a bit. And then as soon as they leave, within twenty minutes, he goes right back up. The guy know, again, the first person that you all heard, you know, they're trying to do this the right way with the dog park, and they're doing everything by by by the book, and everyone had great empathy for that. And the fact that they're that they're being good stewards of the of their neighborhood, their community, and, you know, the rules and laws. And this particular person does not play by the rules.

He came in, and he just put up a venue. And he didn't care about any sort of ordinances. He didn't care about any laws. And he has tried to get around police. He's got around sheriffs. He's trying to get around the rules and around the laws, and the buck has to stop with you guys. It has to. I mean, it is it is absolutely, it's just asinine at the level that he has that his decimal reader is it it it's it's just you know? Yeah. Quite frank, it's a clown show. It's it's absolutely crazy loud. The base is insane. As far as, we haven't noted a steady thing in the neighborhood. She said no one's ever said anything. I have a I I I have a I have a four foot hole in a $32,000 stone wall that I I, I I I installed from a car going through it.

So it's absolutely asinine to say that there's no impact to the community and all that stuff. There is there is definite impact. So so that's why I just wanted to to, reiterate the fact that we're not dealing with a person who's trying to move into a, you know, commercial area. He's just trying to use it and make money. That's not what's happening. We have a we have this individual who has come into a absolutely residential place made up of acre lots that are transitioning to nothing but million dollar plus custom homes and absolutely breaking everyone's laws, and the buck has to stop the union. That's what I have to say.

Thank you for calling in. Thank you. Nobody else on the line. Okay. That ends public comment. Would the applicant like to respond?

Yeah. You can move to the next slide. So I just wanna make a couple of clarification comments on the this is the map I had referred you to. So there was some letters in for and letters against. There are two, as they mentioned, that had a green and a red because there's a letter originally for and then a letter against. So it's it's kind of divided and stuff like that. Next slide. In this area is also there these these are the red dots are the known blatant commercial businesses going on. Very blatant commercial to the point where they've got semis. They've got work trucks.

You can see at the top, there's actually a restaurant. There's a couple restaurants operating, and they're advertised as well. And you can see and you can see also on the top right picture, there's people put parking semis and RE storage. Next slide. You've got trailers. You've that's the top left picture is directly I 10. That's what we're looking at from the driveway of this building. You've got storage. You've got the other buildings, which are apparently all residential. And then to the right, the next slide, you also have a lot of construction activity.

These are parked. These are not his trucks. These are neighboring trucks. This area is not million gonna be million dollar plus homes all in here. This is not you may have a couple that are doing that and hoping to improve the neighborhood, but this area is very much with the commercial and industrial area going surrounding the entire community. This is what I'm seeing driving down the street is these belly trucks and other construction trucks. And the next slide is also the same thing of more construction manufacturing. They've got people coming yeah. There's people coming, and then I think there's one more slide even. There's businesses with employees, several dozen employees or half a dozen at least or more trucks.

These are all operating in this neighborhood. This is not the quiet, serene neighborhood that everyone keeps talking about. This is directly there's I mean, there's six foot chain link in the front yard with barbed wire, which is illegal. There's tons of stuff just going on that is not fitting with this, and this property, and this is just the noise decibel levels. The noise decibel level has been up since the neighborhood meeting and had continued to been up. That was in April 2025. Nothing is new. There's no conspiracy of tracking police scanners and things like that. The reason that the timeline for police response has gone less and less is because every time they arrive, there's no they go into their houses, and if there initially, there was complaint, they turn it down. They found a desk below that now works.

And then the other thing is is that because there have been so many complaints to the point where he's worried he's like, is there a there's harassment going on, that he notified the police when there's events. I have an event scheduled this day, this day, this day. So they know when they're gonna be receiving calls. So they should already be aware and ready to come on down. He's trying to make it blatantly obvious when things are going on.

I understand the neighbors are upset. There's lots of different things between neighbors. But if you go back to the other slide that had the neighbors for and against, you can see that there's quite a a good mix of who's for and against, and the neighbor across the street actually leased him out that property for parking until it was realized that the county said you couldn't do that. We actually had signatures of authorization from them to use their property for the application, which then didn't move forward because of issues that they were talking about. Couldn't have off-site parking. So so there's just been a bunch of stuff. I'm sorry for taking up so much of your time. I know you guys are tired of hearing about event venues. So with that, I'm just thank you.

Thank you. And no, we're not tired. Commissioners, comments or questions?

I mean, I think you

guys know how I feel. I would tend to agree that this area probably is in some sort of transition, but I still don't think that this is an appropriate use at this time. Maybe sometime down the road if there is more commercial in the area, but at this time, I I stand by my thoughts on venues.

Any other comments or questions? I'll entertain a motion.

Yes. It's his district. Okay. I will stand with the county and recommend denial of SU two five zero zero zero nine. I'll second.

Motion deny to recommend denial by, vice chair Fernandez and seconded by commissioner Rockwall. Commissioner Finter? Yes.

Vice chair Hernandez?

Yes.

Commissioner Lawrence?

Yes.

Chair Millhaven? Yes. Commissioner Rockwallick?