Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

not 4:00. We're going to start anyway. I'm going to call this meeting of the Coffee County Planning Commission on April 22nd, 2025 to order. I would like to before we approve the agenda, I would like to change places with uh the resolution amendment by Garc Groves. Let's put it down uh after the M minor final map 042 before the building setback discussion. We have a motion to do that. I'll make a motion. Got a motion. How about a second? I'll second it. Got a motion in a second. All those in favor say I. I. Okay. Now, I will take a motion to approve the new agenda. I make a motion to approve the agenda. Have a second. I second. Randy seconds. All those in favor say I. I. We'll move right along to public comments. May I start? I want to introduce Amanda Harrington with RCS Planners. Is that correct? She's from Dixon, Tennessee. Uh I have signed a retainer with her for her services regarding planning and zoning issues. Uh she's a professional in her field and she's be an independent voice regarding uh zoning and land use issues moving forward. Welcome. Thank you. Glad to be here.

Uh as far as public comments are concerned, we have had two or three pretty good meetings. I think everybody's got to say whatever they wanted to say. Uh if you have any new public comments, please come forward. We want you to come to the podium, speak into the microphone. Uh so anyone out there? Yes. I don't know what you want to do now when we're doing different. Yeah, we're doing it a little different. We're going to have We're not going to have a lot of back and forth tonight. Okay. How many I got? Two minutes. You got two. Now, it is an item on the agenda, correct? What? What you're speaking of is an item. It's an associated It's associated with that. Yes. Okay. Yep. Okay. So, I uh my name is Kevin Cy. Uh I'm live out in Hillsboro, Tennessee for in regards to full disclosure. I've sat in your position there on the planning commission before. Actually, I was part of when the original resolution was drafted for zoning in the county. I was a county commissioner at that time and I currently am on the board of zoning appeals, but I'm actually just speaking as a person from the public on this particular issue and it really has to do with the major subdivision uh regulations and uh as you all know I'm not going to try to reduplicate. There's been so much good information presented to you amongst all the participants in the audience and on the the planning commission, but uh I really had uh just a suggested resolution from my experience on the board of zoning

appeals. Uh and this only has to do with the A1 area. And what my resolution, which I gave copies here to the chairman that you can review at a later date, is is to to make a major subdivision a conditional use in an A1 and then have requirements for what that does. Now, if you look currently in there, there's actually listed 25 conditional uses that we deal with all the time. And this would just be another one which has specific requirements that the board of zoning appeals would actually look at to determine if it was appropriate to put there. You could look at this as a concession to maybe some other things you're considering or you could look at as an olive branch of trying to make a place where we can all come together. I think the one thing from talking to both sides, I have not found anybody that thinks that you should be able to build any subdivision of any size in any part of A1. I've not find that on either side. And that's kind of like what we have right now. So, we need some kind of a change, you know, in there. And this is just something for you all to consider, you know, not that you'd vote on it, but just in the future to look at. The mayor has seen this. uh the codes department head has seen this and this has been through an attorney also and uh actually I wrote this because back when I was on the county commission we wrote our own resolutions you know that wasn't something that was done by an attorney we did it ourselves so that's what I'm presenting to you so if you had a chance to look at you have any questions or uh you can talk to me later but that's what I wanted to give

Yes. Yes. You're speaking about something on the agenda tonight, correct? I am okay. Hi, my name is Ashley Gun. After the last meeting and the call for supporting data, I did some research. I would like to note that providing the data requested is complicated by the fact that the information is not archived in a way that would allow someone to pull that based on the criteria that was discussed. But I did learn of one instance where a structure fire was called where a structure fire caused damage to a neighboring house. Damage occurred following a structure fire on Blackberry Lane. call was paged out while the Hillsboro Volunteer Fire Department was actually at the fire hall for a monthly training. So, they were able to initiate response immediately, which is sooner than they would normally have than they would normally be able to respond. When they arrived at the fire, the vinyl sighting on the two neighboring houses had already begun to melt. Thankfully, they were able to protect the structures and prevent further damage and put out the original fire they were paged out to. This occurred in a subdivision that was built prior to the reduced setbacks. Looking at past data does not indicate what can or may happen in the future. We haven't lived with the reduced setbacks long enough to realize the potential impacts. The real question is not what has happened in the past, but what may happen in the future. Now is the time to evaluate the impact large subdivisions and other proposed growth has on our community. Regarding fire protection specifically, I want to share with you some information I found. Rules of TDC division of water resources on public water systems. Section 17 states, all water manes designed for fire protection must be six inches or larger and be able to provide 500 gallons per minute with 20 pounds per square inch residual pressure. Fire hydrants shall not be

installed on water manes less than 6 in in diameter or on water manes that cannot produce 500 gpm or 20 psi residual pressure unless the tops are painted red. Fire hydrants with tops painted red. Class C hydrants cannot be connected directly to a pump or fire truck. Fire departments may be allowed to fill the booster tanks on any fire apparatus from an available hydrant by using the water systems available pressure only. This means that fire departments cannot hook direct cannot pump directly from these red top fire hydrants. They have to shuttle water from the fire hydrant to the scene which delays response, requires more resources, has an impact. In an article published by the by the Municipal Technical Advisory Service, which is a um organization through the University of Tennessee in 2023, they state, "Although municipal governments in Tennessee are responsible for providing fire service, utility districts that struggle to provide water for consumption often think they are not responsible for fire service. They may not or do not recognize that 40% of a community's insurance service organization or ISO rating, which is used to set local property insurance rates, is based on the water utility system. The ISO rating for the a community is based half on the fire department and almost half on the water service. Cities should not approve new development projects unless there is sufficient water available to provide the needed fire blows. Wrap it up as fast as you can. Okay. says deficient water for fire protection should be grounds for rejection of proposed developments. So currently um ISO it's a rating for fire departments 10 class system 10 being the worst. Volunteer fire departments in the county with the exception of one are all scored at a six. By comparison Manchester's a three. MTAS estimates a 35% savings on insurance cost for a class 6 area over a class 10. This has a direct impact on our citizens.

Can somebody else donate time? I guess thank you. Has a direct impact on our citizens. Insurance companies can also deny coverage to people in areas with high ISO scores. In 2020, when the volunteer fire departments last re-evaluated, last did their ISO. 15 of the 33 fire hydrants in the Hillsboro Fire Jurisdiction met the 500 GPM below requirements. The remainder were below. That means they're red top fire hydrants. Hillsware's fire jurisdiction covers 113 square miles. Water supplies in rural area was obviously intended for consumption, not for fire protection. It's underscored in the county codes which clearly implement different water line size requirements for the rural areas versus PGA and UGB. Water lines in rural areas are allowed to be less than 6 in whereas in the PGA and UGB, they are required to be six or greater. It's also underlined in the requirements for fire hydrants. It actually specifically states that while fire protection is to be provided to all developments within the county, the level of fire protection is intended to be higher in the PGA and UGBS as compared to the RAS. This clearly indicates to me that when these rules and regulations were written, the growth that we're seeing in the rural areas was not anticipated. Responsible growth has to address infrastructure concerns in these areas to ensure larger developments do not overwhelm existing infrastructure negatively impacting current future residents and possibly creating whole communities with unmet basic needs that they're paying for in terms of water and taxes. Responsible growth also has to reflect the differences between the rural areas and those areas designated as PGA and UGB. Thank you. Yep. Anyone else? We're not going to be able to talk on each agenda item as they come

up like we have been, right? No. Is have you got something that's on the agenda or is this something that's that you think's going to be on? Is it what you're talking about going to be on is on the agenda tonight? Final map. That's not the same one. It's not the same one. Correct, Cindy. This one is on Haskell went road. Do what? Setbacks are on there, right? Setbacks are on there. We're going to discuss them a little bit later. You got something to say about setbacks? Okay. Anybody else? Yes. Can I just ask a quick question? We came up here. We live 500 ft from the limits on the old Manchester Highway. Are y'all trying to put us in the city limits? No, sir. I don't know where you got that idea. We got a call today. We just said we need to come to this meeting because No, that's that's some There's been a lot of that going around. Who called you? Yeah. Who did call name? We got a call from one of our neighbors. Manchester was in New Are you Are you Do you live outside the city limits of Manchester? We live outside the city limits of Oklahoma. So I that would be that's what I'm concerned about. The planning commission has approved a reszoning of a piece of property on the new Manchester Highway close to uh the cemetery. Yeah. Where the old drive-in used to be. That is not before. It will not come before this planning commission ever. Okay. So, we're not

we're not we're not here because we No. If you got issue about, it's not tonight. I didn't see him. Okay. Anyone else? All right. We're going to go ahead with our items on the agenda then. We got approve the previous minutes. And we have two sets of minutes to approve. Let's go with the March 25th, 2025 uh minutes. Do I hear a motion to approve them? I make a motion to approve them. Okay, I've got a motion to approve the March 25, 2025 minutes. Do I have a second? I second. Have a second from Mr. Laura. All those in favor say I. I. Okay, let's move on to the minutes from April 1st. I'll make a motion to approve those minutes. Have a motion for Miss Lauren to approve. Do I have a second? I second. Randy seconds. All those in favor say I. I. Okay, the first item on the agenda is the site plan map 066HA partial 8018 Brinley. Someone here to represent that come right up please. I'm sorry. Come right up.

People at People at home want to People at home want to see this is we've got Okay. from Kenny. Yes. So Kenny Sadler developed his plan for Mr. Kenny's having surgery. Would you please recognize yourself? Introduce yourself. Rick Brenley. We own the property there. But yeah, Kenny Kenny's doing the development. We're looking at storage units. um planning to go with climate controlled. I've told I've talked with several of the neighbors to let them know what's going on. We're planning to put a privacy fence, six foot high privacy fence all the way around the property to uh minimize any intrusion. Um I've told them I'd put a lock on the gate. We'd lock it at 10:00 every night and open it back up six o'clock in the morning so there's no traffic during the evening hours. Um, to my knowledge, I've not had any objections so far. So, staff recommended approval. Correct. Y'all hear? Staff recommends approving this. Any questions? We'll have a motion to approve. I'll make a motion to approve. Got a motion for Miss Laura to approve. Do I have a second? I'll second. Is going to second that. Any more discussion?

I feel like I should vote. Do I? I feel like I shouldn't vote. That's my fault. That's my son-in-law. So, I don't feel I want to sain for you. I get that comment a lot. I can't believe you just said that in public. I'm going to sustain. All those in favor? I oppose. Thank you, sir. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Okay. The next item is site plan map 095 partial 048.35. This is Mr. Deal. Eric De This is what Kenny gave me. Yeah. So, basically, it's just it's an industrial park. Um, it's warehousing an industrial property. Which industrial park? Um, volunteer park off of volunteer parkway. Okay. Yeah. So, it's our proposal to put these in. Uh we have a couple people looking for that size product right now. So, that's uh what we want to do. And you had a little you had a little item that you were supposed to get to Cindy and she said she got it. No, they've got to come back. The industrial park has to we got a kind of a verbal approval, but they they're going to have have to meet. So,

yeah, they're supposed to be here on the 8th. That's all we needed. So, everything everything's been satisfied on this ex with the exception of Yes. an industrial board. Staff's good with this. The staff is good with this. Uh, do I hear a motion to approve? I'll make a motion to approve. Have a motion for M. Lauren to approve. You can do this, Rodney. I'll second. Second by Mr. Dun. Any more discussion? All those in favor say I. Opposed. Thank you, sir. All right. Thank you. This is a minor final map 066 partial 009.00 ground. Sorry girls. I had to remind him we have two Lauras on the planning committee. We don't have one that's voting, right? Y I represent uh Okay.

It's right there. This is Ask road. Okay. I'm Garc representing Nick Graham on this. Uh Mr. Northcut couldn't be here today. Um however, I believe this is for the final um final approval on this minor subdivision and to my knowledge everything's been done accordingly. Manny's here for office. Oh, great. Sorry. That's why I was confused. That's okay. I'm Andy from Northcut Associates. It's a three lot minor. Um, all punch list items have been addressed. I'm here if you have any questions. The staff has approved this. Any questions? right there. Yeah, the final pad is complete. I'll make a motion to approve. Have a motion to approve. I'll second it. Yes. All those in favor say I. I.

All right. The next thing on our agenda is the minor file map 042 parcel 024.02 sane. Should have just stayed up here. Um the saints are taking two small lots and absorbing them into a larger tract. Those two small tracks on the bottom are going to go with the big track, the rectangle on the left. Yes, sir. Correct. Yes, sir. staff approves. Staff recommends approving this. Do I have a motion to approve? I make a motion to approve. Randy makes a motion to approve. Do I have a second? Motion to second. Motion to second. All those in favor say I. All right. Now, we are moving on to where we have some fun now. Uh, Mr. Seagrove, you're up.

Good afternoon. uh Garcro's tele home represent um group of individuals in Coffee County that are impacted by moratorum and also with proposed uh resolutions um that are coming forth before this committee before they move on to the full county commission. Uh last meeting here I submitted one resolution and it has since been divided into three separate resolutions. Um, and I believe that was for economy and also ease of understanding what we're requesting. Um, we're here today to present these again and request a vote on from this uh, planning commission either up or down on this. Um, so we can proceed from from that point forward. Uh, just start with resolution one at this point. Um, this has to do with water and fire protection. These are actually two separate issues that then combined in one resolution. Um, in a situation where the current county requirements are met, one has water service that's been approved by a utility and it's one mile from a functioning hydrant. Um, a major subdivision may have lot sizes of 08 acres with 100 foot lot. If not that, if you have water service and you do not have a hydrant or fireflow within a mile, then you can have an acre lot with 125 foot width. And if you have neither water or fireflow, a 2acre minimum with 150 foot width. Um, that's what we're presenting today for this uh planning commission and requesting a vote on that. Going one at a time, every how you want to do it. All right. Any comments on this? Number one.

So, it doesn't say anything about the developer increasing the line or anything going to the subdivision or No. And the reason behind that is through the fact that my understanding that if a water utility cannot provide the water that's found out at some point in time and that would kill a subdivision which has been done before in the past. So if the you're saying if the water if they increase the line size the water the utility can't provide it. I'm saying if the current water supply can manage a proposed subdivision, then that would be sufficient. If the water utility says that it can't, then it would be upon the developer at that point in time to determine whether or not it was it's worth handling that situation or not to meet the standards that would be set forth to supply water. U definition of a functioning hydrant. I believe it's, you know, a hydrant that can produce what is it? 500 gallons at that's fire protection. Fire protection. That's we're talking about fire flow. Fire protection. Fireflow. Well, that's not in here. I mean that in this you say well the the the the current the way it reads currently if I'm not mistaken you have to have fire flow from a fire hydrant functioning fire hider. Correct. At at a level at a level and it has to be within one mile from the subdivision. And that's and and that's for section A. And if there's not one within a mile and the mile is by linear feet by road, it's not as crow flies. But if

it's not fireflow, then it increases to a 1 acre lot with 125 foot width. And on your widths, that's a lot. These are minimum widths. Okay. Yes. Well, we can put that in there. That needs to be in there. Minimum W. We can do that. Did you Did you ask? No. I was going good at that. I like the way it's written in our book. I mean, you got the same basically the same thing already in the in the resolution. Correct. Okay. I like the way ours is written better way. Well, and we can make those minimal changes in regards to what's in the book. Now, like you were talking about, it says functioning hydrant. Well, how's it read in the book right now, if you don't mind me asking? In regards to a fire hydrant, I'll read it because I got it right. Minimum fire flow for purposes of this resolution. The term minimum fire flow shall mean a 500galon per minute water flow calculated at 20 pounds per square inch residual pressure delivered from a water line that is 6 in or greater in diameter. Right. And that would be to the fire hydrant itself. Correct. Right. Yes. So instead of function and hydrant, can we put that in place of the function? Your language is already present.

Correct. Right. Right. Well, I would I would propose that we that I um I don't you would need a resolution for this when it's already there. Well, because I would like to put this forward before the county commission and I'd like to know if you would vote it up or down or vote vote in favor of it if it read verbatim as it was just stated. With all due respect, it's already in our resolution. Well, then there is our resolution. Is there an issue with It's already there. So, there's I mean, are you not are you going to vote on it or not? I mean, can we confirm that it's already in the book? You know, I mean, we could do that. But can you I would like I say, I like the way ours is written better than this one. Ours has stood the test of time. And it specifies the fireflow, too. And I'm more than willing at this point in time to um edit this to read as it states there. And what and what I'm getting at is we have to get something before the full commission. And we want the full commission to understand what's on the books at this point in time. And if this committee does not agree with what's on the books, then vote this down and let us take this in front of the in front of the full commission. I know. But there's also lots of talk about changing this. Well, that's that's certainly a possibility, but I don't think anybody's going to change the firefl at all. No. No. I mean, we're talking about more water, you know, that we'd like to have more water. Not that we that we go the other direction, you know. Uh and and and to me when you say 100 foot lot width and

not minimum 100 foot lot width, we're talking two different things. Well, and that could be it could be it can be it could be a maximum or minimum, right? So it needs to specify a minimum in it and we can put that in there. Any other any discussions down the table down there? Sammy, you're you're in the water business or I know you wouldn't like to be right now, but you are. Can I say something? So, you're saying a minimum 100 foot wide minimum. So if you're going to put a 60oot house on there, you're going to have 20 foot setbacks on each side. Is that correct? Unless you make that lot wider. That's why it's 100T minimum. That's all that's needs to be fixed too at some point because you can't put a 60oot house on them and have 25 even if you had kept a 25 foot setbacks. You can't put 60 foot wide house on a or 60 foot long. Agre this be for A1. It will be for A1 and it agree with Gar, once again, with all due respect, we already have bulk regulations for all districts. It's already here. I didn't

get that. And it says minimum lot width is 125 ft. For which one? All of them. all districts with sewer you can go to 100 ft existing the the language is already here what we're proposing is what we're requesting to be voted on now once it gets to the full county commission whether it's voted up or down here and I hope before then that we can have a meeting of the minds and talk which is something that we have not done yet as a group and that was one of the reasons for this moratorum is so everyone could talk and we have had individuals speak with some of the gentlemen in this crowd and I think it went fairly well. Um but at this stage we're trying to get an up and down vote on each of these resolutions where it can be discussed before the full county commission. I may have lost word because we already have it. This has already been adopted by the full county commission. Uh this is proposing redundancy on the books right now is n it's not necessarily null and void but it's not applicable because the moratorum and that's why we're trying to get something in front of the full county commission right now to have a discussion. There will be something in front of the F County Commission that will end the moratorum at our very next meeting. Okay. So, I'm requesting there be a vote on resolution one. And there's Can I read something here just real quick that I've got Go ahead. This came straight from a U AWA. Water utilities and fire hydrants provide fire protection. These hydrants

are crucial components of water distribution systems that ensure firefighters have immediate access to a reliable water supply. Also, I got a bunch of other stuff, but also I found this today that I thought was real interesting. Uh, this is from Westbor Utility Water Infrastructure in Coffee County, Tennessee. includes the construction of a 500,000galon water tank within the Beach Grove community and the replacement of an age 200,000galon elevated water tank. The Coffee County water tower provides water and fire protection. So they're planning on So I mean the utilities are trying to help with bar protection and I mean you know you're talking about small utilities here and stuff and I just say you know you know we're still looking at um I I believe that I believe the new subdivisions need to have some kind of developers need to help out and also kind of provide some kind of fire protection. I know if the developers pay for it and it's going to go increase the houses, but if you take a subdivision that's got fire protection and a subdivision that does not have any fire protection, I'd be willing to pay a little extra to know my family safe and also to save some on my fire insurance. I think what we need to

do is Mr. She wants a vote on this. Uh, I'll entertain a motion either way. I'll make a motion to I'll make a motion to decline it. I have a motion to decline. have a second cuz like you said, we've already got it in there to begin with. I need a second or not? I'll second just because it's if it's already in there. I have a motion and a second to decline the to give this a a negative rating, a negative uh all those in favor of this resolution to decline this resolution say I. I. All those in favor of this resolution resolution. Okay. On to the next next resolution. Roads. Um this is again in A1. If a road if you're fronting Yes sir. Sorry. I do want can't speak for everybody. Yes sir. Speaking for me. That's already in the book. It's already on. So I get you. I understand. No, not a problem. Good effort on your part. No, I I expected it. Um, resolution number two. Resolution number two. Um, this is an A1 regarding roads. If you are fronting on a road that does not have a 50-ft rideway, then the developer can be asked to dedicate or a public use easement can be put in place to ensure the county has 25 ft from the center of the roadway. B,

a traffic study would be performed by a licensed traffic study um engineer to ensure that the roadway can handle the traffic for any major subdivision of 15 lots or more. Now the 25 foot is that just on that subdivision side or have to be. I don't believe we can go to property over across street to enforce that. So you're talking about let's say it's the roads 18 foot. So then you're going to go 25 foot more. It's going to be to ensure the county has 25 ft from the center. Okay. Okay. I see what you're saying. Additional 25 ft from the side. Okay. 25 ft from the center. And the road study is I know there's a lot of concerns about traffic and that would be one way to the planning commission can ask for ask for a traffic study at any time. That's our prerogative. We want to we're just wanting to put it on paper just to just to try to try to meet somewhere in the middle. M the traffic study is already in our subdivision regulations. Is it for is that for the county as well or the city? Oh, we only deal with county. I know that. I was just asking city. I didn't I didn't think it was in our county for the county as well. Regulations, subdivision regulations. I'd like if I could, this is probably the one item that is what I consider a compromise. Yeah, we're getting there. This one is Yeah, it's you. And as opposed to having a full 50 foot rightway restriction, you're saying 25 ft from the center of a road back to the side of the development. Correct.

It's 25. Yes. 25 center. the developer would relinquish whatever it took to get 25 foot from center line to his side of the road. And that would allow improvements underground utilities only along the area of the development. Correct. If we got to that point. Okay. And I would request to vote on that as well. denial or or agreeing to vote on that resolution. I would on the any major subdivision of 15 lots or more. If I may explain, we we felt anything worth five lots is obviously a major subdivision, right? But if I were more, but doing 15 we felt was it might be cost prohibitive. It's just five lots on on one street, but if it's going to be 15 lots, number that we came up with in regards to would be a proper amount of uh lots in order to justify having that done. Any discussion? I'll make a motion to approve it. Wait, he's got a motion on the floor. Wait a second for discussion. Sorry. Did I get a second?

I'll second. Okay. Hey, I've got a motion and a second. Any more discussion on this? I've got a question. Where it says 15 lots or more, is that going to change our language as far as what's considered a major subdivision? No. No, I wouldn't think it would. That was not our intention. TCA actually said that good question. Uh, any more discussion? I have a motion in the second that we approve resolution number two. All those in favor say I. I oppose. Thank you. And resolution three, this is regarding setbacks. And know there's going to be discussion about this about this later um this evening. Um, if you'd like to come back to this after that discussion. I I want to clear one thing up though. Okay. Your your a believe is is because the planning commission just recently voted on this issue at Mayor Hunt's request. It wasn't Mayor Hunt that requested that. Oh, let's make sure. Well, we'll we'll fix that. I don't want to throw him under the bus, but the bus But yeah, we can come back after that if you like. That's a I would like to make with all due respect these these are presented in a format basically ideas and I have you will already draft with the therefors and the where is okay already got it. Thank you sir. Okay. We're at

setback. We have had this zoning resolution since 2001 and the setbacks were a year and a half ago. Used to be 5050 in the A1 areas. Uh I know Rodney said, "Find me a house that caught another one on fire." Might be because we had 100 ft between houses all that time. Uh is Sammy here? Sammy has a little information on that. I'd like for him to speak and I'll give you a chance to speak then after that if you'd like. Okay. though we still doing public comments. This is specific information for the setback. Okay. I'm also going to request my assistant chief Dylan Harris come up. He can probably speak on this also. Um I'm Sammy Morton, Chief of New Fire Department. I'm here to represent all the rural fire departments of Coffee County. There are five fire departments here. Um, approximately four years ago, we had a structure fire on Blackberry Lane, Hillsboro Fire Department. I think their response time was six minutes. Um, if I'm correct on that, Ashley, where'd she go? Uh, was that correct? I don't know. I didn't pull that. Okay. But their response time was very quick. the house next door, the siding burned off of it and part of the roof. And several years ago, I can't remember the exact date, right behind New Union Fire Department, we had a house catch on fire. Our response time was 5 and a half minutes. We burnt the siding off the next house. The people never woke up. All I'm worried about is safety. The people that was next door

never woke up because their smoke detectors did not go off because the fire was on the outside of the house. I'm worried about if we get them too close together that we have fires jump from house to house. Dylan Harris here is a assistant chief from New Union. He's also a Murphy'sboro fireman and he's got a house that he wants to tell you about and uh he's got more he's my data man. I'll just be honest. Um, but I'm gonna let him speak here right quick if that's okay, Mr. Chairman. Yes. Okay. Good evening. As you said, my name is Dylan Harris. I'm an assistant chief in the Union Fire Department. I've been volunteering for going on 14 years now. Career fire department, fireman for going on 10. Um, response times in the county, I went back two years countywide that I could get data on through our reports and whatnot. The average response time for structure fires in the county to have for the closest fire department to have the first truck on scene is average of 14 minutes and 1 second. And you know that's a that's a pretty good long um time. But um with that being in mind, the average of flashover time from the time a fire goes from a small incipient stage fire to fully involved coming out the roof, coming out the windows is 3 to 5 minutes nationally average in a modern family dwelling. And so with that being said, our rural county fire departments at 14 minutes, it's a good response for a volunteer fire department when we're having to leave our work, leave our families, get to a station, respond to who knows where in the county. Um, so need to keep that in mind that by the time we get there, most of these houses have already gone to fully combustion and they're fully involved

and going to the next house or spreading past their own um origin. Um, as Sammy said, you know, we've had a couple in um New Union. One of them was actually our firefight, one of our firemen, captain's um his garage caught on fire and um his house was approximately 40 foot from the garage and the whole side of his house got melted off from this fire. And on that particular fire, we were on scene in 7 minutes. From the time it he come over the radio and said his garage is on fire to the time the first truck pulled on scene was seven minutes. And so that was half of our average time and we still couldn't stop it. And with that being said, being a fireman in Murphy'sboro a few weeks ago, we um we got dispatched to a structure fire and my particular engine was about a half a mile away from this incident. Um we were in route in 36 seconds and due to the traffic in Murfsboro and stuff, we from the time we got dispatched and to on scene was 2 minutes and 47 seconds. And at that time we fire had already started on the back side of the house and was through the roof of the house. And we were inside the door within one minute of being on scene with the hose line flowing water with a fourman crew with a th00and gpm pump or thousand gallons on the truck and a water supply established and it still burnt the roof off the house and burnt the sighting off the house next door to it that was approximately 60t away. And um that's with three suppression units, two rescues, four chiefs, approximately 35 personnel on scene within 10 minutes of a fully long structure fire. And you know that's that's an ISO1 um rated department. Yes. They also have fire hydrants every 500 ft. That is correct. It is a standard in

the city. You had fire hydrant which I know Murphy'sboro a lot of theirs are blue tops. Yes, sir. So, you're looking at a minimum 1500 gallons per minute. Yes, sir. And it still did that damage. Yes, sir. And I have pictures on my phone. I was trying I was going to try to get them to where we could put them up here, but we didn't get that. Um, if anybody would like to see those. Um, yes. I mean, we had our fire hydrant was roughly 350 ft away. And, um, we had, you know, units on scene within, like I said, under three minutes before supposed time. and our crew was able to make a surge to that house to make sure everybody was out. But after that, our hose line was ineffective of containing that fire. We had to back back out, go to an aerial operation, which is flowing, we were flowing about 1500 gallons a minute at that time to contain that fire to keep it from spreading to the neighbor's house. So, and one one other question. I know I read an article that stated that in the last 20 years, 20 years ago, the average time for a fire to actually spread was approximately 10 to 15 minutes. That is correct. Now, with everything that is designed in houses now and all the way it's manufactured, that time has gone to 3 to five. three to five minutes. Yes, sir. This I actually have this article from the US Fire Administration. Um says, "Public awareness is common fire risk is critical to saving lives and drastically reducing property loss. The public needs to understand that today's structure fires can go from a small flame to flashover in just 3 to 5 minutes, leaving little time for escape. Uh the rapid progression is due to the number of contributing factors including synthetic materials used in modern furniture and interior finishes along with lithium-ion batteries and increasing in household you know units. So everything we have has a lithium

battery in it and y'all have seen electric car fires. Um, so you know, we've in the last, you know, 10 years even, it's gone a quarter of what it was back when a lot of people had started the volunteer departments. One other question, I'll be quiet. No, you're fine. How long would it take y'all to approximately go a mile to a fire hydrant, fill up, and then come back? So at a fire hydrant, say it's flowing 500 gallons a minute. So our tankers hold roughly two anywhere from 1500 to 2,000 gallons a minute. So you're looking at, you know, 3 to four minutes alone of the hydrant being fully flowed. And most of the time we only fill up with a 2 and a half hose because that's just what we have and that's this connects straight to the hydrant. A mile down the road, I mean you're talking 12 minutes 10 to 15 minutes for one truck. Okay. So that's twice the length of time. Yes, sir. That it would take for a house to be engulfed. Yes, sir. I mean, and that's if you no traffic and everything, everything goes good. That's if you have a way in and out. Yeah. You know, o'lock in the morning. Yeah. Uh, anybody can go on, I know YouTube is not a great source, but you can go into Underwriters Laboratories and look up this information and they set the standards nationwide. You can look these up. I mean, it's it's not a it's not it's common knowledge in the fire world. So, um, Mr. Chairman, you have any other questions? Any questions? I just had to say I my hats are off to y'all. Uh volunteer fire departments and stuff. So, let him go. I mean, I y'all do a great job in my opinion and put

your life on the line. And I think there could be more done to help protect y'all just like y'all protect us. Well, safety for the people that are buying the houses is what I'm worried about. Mhm. When a smoke detector does not go off when the siding is being melted, it don't go off till smoke enters the resident. Well, if the roof's got to be falling in for that smoke to get inside the house, the people are gone. And you can blur sirens. You can Some people just don't wake up to noise. And any other questions? No. Appreciate your information. Thank you. So, I hear a lot about vinyl side. I can see some compromises here. Um, you could require houses be built out of brick that are less than 100 feet because I've all I've heard is melted vinyl side and I've seen a lot of melted vinyl siding. So, houses under 100 ft apart have to be built out of brick between the houses. That's one compromise. I got another one. If they want those setbacks, let's just make it an A1. All A1 setbacks are 5050. But the other the other zones are 25 2525. When the last meeting somebody said is this for A1 and somebody said no it's for all of them. So I think in our book it's different if we want to do this in A1 but anything or you could do brick houses anything under 100 ft and then you don't have melted vinyl side. Mr. Chairman ask a question. I would ask that you consider the the vinyl windows, the vinyl, the asphalt. And I would also I'm having a little tough time understanding a man who didn't want to take my property rights now. He's tell

me how to have to build my house. Well, you said fire safety, so I'm bricks fire safety. Yeah. Okay. I would like to say that our bulk requirements are for all districts. So your idea of making it A1 only is a great idea in my book, but our bulk requirements are for all districts right now. Front is 50, side uh let's see, we got side is 20 on quarter acre. These these are for sewer. I mean we don't have sewer in the county. No, we don't. So, it's irrelevant. But we do have one acre. We have 50 front, 50 rear, 25 side. That's the current bulk requirements. If you got a 2 acre lot, then it's 5050. But that's all districts. So, definitely that going with the A1 only. Obviously, A1 has the hardest trouble with fire protection. Correct. So, correct. That's a good Can we make a motion to do like he said 5050 on A1 only? A1 go 5050. I make a motion we go 5050 in the A1 egg only. Only for the setbacks. But that's an A1 5050. Correct.

That's his motion. A1 fire safety. No matter what size lot it is, and if it needs to be 50 5050 for safety, A1 would be 5050. Uh any more discussion on that at the table here? Yeah. At the Do I have a second? Did I get a second? I second. Randy for a second. Any more discussion? Read that motion. We go to setbacks as 50 feet in the front, 50 ft all the way around on both sides in the rear and all the A1 areas, no matter lot size. Everybody understand? Any more discussion? All those in favor say I. Uh yeah, that's Yeah, but it gives other closer to town. You're not spreading houses out 100 feet apart. Anybody anything else? Anybody got That's Sammy's favorite part. Oh, I I would like to say at our next full commission meeting, the the resolution to amend our zoning resolution had three distinct issues that will be separated at our next meeting. I do have one thing. I do have one more thing. Obviously, Anastasia's proved that four o'clock is pretty early, especially for some of us that work and stuff. And we did have it at five and then some of us missed and they changed it back to four. I would really like to move the board meetings or these meetings back to five o'clock.

Not just for those of us that work other jobs, but for the citizens that work other jobs that need to come to these meetings. I'm making a motion to move the meetings to five. I have a second somewhere. Motion dies for lack of a second. All right. Would you like to have a motion? That's Sammy's job. Sammy sends us home every I can make that motion. Setbacks. I'm sorry about that. You're and we might be able to clarify this pretty quick. So what was just voted on today is what Rodney presented 50 50 and 50 in the A1 in the A1 only A1. Is that something that is going to be presented to the full commission at the next meeting or is it going to be waited to be grouped together and put in play all at once? We can get it to the next meeting. The next full commission. Yeah, we don't have time. 48 hours. As long as I get the agenda out 48 hours prior to the meeting on that uh that is amended. You're going to have we're going to have multiple amendments to the Peters. Yours got passed, right? Well, one did a second one and we still have a third one to discuss. But my concern is if we could come back at the next planning commission meeting and bring forth another another amendment to that and and it might give another avenue um on a setback issue. I'm going to ask our newly hired professional

planner if we have multiple zoning resolution amendments. Does one public hearing cover all of them? If it's if it's advertised for all three. Okay. And that is 15 days prior to the meeting though, right? Yes. Okay. Which meeting we talking about? We're talking about the I don't think we're going to be able to get none of them that's worked on tonight because our meeting is the 13th. Is that right? Yes, sir. I believe it's a 13. I don't think any of these would be going to Yeah, it probably don't have time to get to public hearing. Uh the only thing the only thing that'll be on the next agenda is the uh amendment to the zoning resolution that was postponed at our last meeting which already did have a public hearing. So that's the only one we can actually address in our next full commission. And that's the 13th. I believe it's the 13th of May. 13. Thank you. And that's the full county commission, right? Yes. And we have to in in our newspaper. There's no way of getting it in the newspaper week, right? 15 days prior, is there? Mr. Newspaper, man. So, if you're going to run it in three, you got to wait three weeks to write. Okay. Well, as it stands in regards to the timing on this um for resolution number three that that I presented on behalf of some people, it would be essentially to keep the setbacks as they are. And this is essentially like the first resolution, which I know you're going to have an issue with. This is already in the in the books, but I would propose that um you give us an up or down vote on that at this point in time.

Which one? Resolution three. It's on the back side. I make a motion to u disapprove mo resolution three because we've already made a setback motion that we've already passed. We don't need to your motion is what to to to vote nay on to decline mo resolution three. I'll second that. I have a motion and a second to decline resolution three. Any other discussion? All those in favor to decline resolution three, say I. I. Opposed. Very good. That worked. All right, Sammy, do your thing. I'm ready. I'm ready to make a motion to adjourn. I second it. Everybody ready to go home? say is there any meeting anyway? Right. But if you wait till our next commission, it's going to be another month after that. I won't give you a call tomorrow and next day we'll pass through this time probably. We have motion vote. They both