Plan Commission - Regular Meeting

Got it together? Yep. You got it all together. Yep. I think so. Call the meeting of the Oglesby Plan Commission to order. Roll call, please. Peters, here. Mente, here. Kleiner, here. Watson, here. Bitiger here. Greening here. Arthur. Partridge here. Carico here. Dutinger absent. Here. We have a quorum. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. [Music] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Good evening and thank you all for coming tonight to further discuss the uh comprehensive plan update. Uh any comments on the agenda items from anybody? The agenda items only. Hearing none, I'll ask for an approval of the minutes of the May 14th meeting. I'll make a motion of May 14th. Second. Motion made by Greening, seconded by menty. Uh, any discussion? All those in favor? I hearing. Any opposed? Hearing none. They'll stand as as presented. Let's review the uh April and May presentations just real quick. We've gone through uh two meetings now reviewing the old comprehensive plan that was done in 2020. The goals and strategies of public policy of the infrastructure, parks and recreation,

tourism, housing, and tonight we'll pick up with transportation. After we finish with the review of the old comprehensive plan, we will begin to try to get more input from anybody that wants to put any information into our comprehensive plan. I'd like to hear from the businesses. I'd like to hear from the industries. I'd like to hear from the people. This is a people plan and it really is the plan that should guide the city council in uh moving forward with growth and development. So at the meeting, the next meeting and maybe at the end of this meeting, we can start soliciting and get some more information, not just the things that are covered in this plan, but the additional things that we think should be done and should be considered uh going forward from here. Any questions with that? Then let's pick up with the uh transportation which is 1210 in goals of the 2020 comprehensive plan. Thank you for the recap and we'll just go back talking about transportation today. Um starting off the first goal including transportation capital and just a little louder corre please and and service needs for the residents. Um more than a few tasks there. Uh looking is it an ongoing investigating public transportation? Didn't we uh we've got the bus coming in, you know, on a regular basis. The Greyhound, the

Greyhound comes on a regular basis. I don't know if there's any other public transportation needs. We have ENCAT, few of the other uh passenger transportation systems in the area. Do you think we that should stay in? Okay. Okay. So, we'll include NCAT B and ground and we got ENCAT in here as the second one anyway. Yeah. Okay. Is currently doing a study right now. Where is it? that information you go to Facebook. So you can go into their Facebook and there's a survey there. So Oh, good. All right. potentially know it's not in just as a coordination effort. [Music] I'm not sure what we could do. You know about that one, right? I mean, I just didn't know it was So close.

There's no chance to spin off with the uh Bootsie, you know, into Oglesby. I mean, where would we go after Oglesby? It's a destination. Yeah. Any other alternate transportation options? Sidewalks. We're not talking about sidewalks. Are we talking about sidewalks in the city? Yeah. already repair of sidewalks. There are unsidlocked areas that we're currently working on getting sidewalks too. So that's the kind of stuff that this considers is that that's the one going go right now. We're going to extend Clark Street and part of Oakland and then the city's been discussing trying to get the folks some of the folks in what is it? area fields haven't built sidewalks and actually build the sidewalks that they should have built already. So that's they're already pursuing that kind of stuff. What about the possibility of a sidewalk from Columbia out to, you know, the McDonald's area out that way up the Lewis Avenue? Yeah, keep that in there. Yeah.

The bike will be different. It it should now years ago we had that plan that we submitted somewhere. Remember that Becky? The bike plan, right? We we had submitted a plan for a grant for something. Yeah, I'd like to see some kind of a connection or at least some thought to it. And we have to dream a little bit big here. Somewhere from Starve Rock here, something along that line. It would be a bicycle path, a walking path or something like that. You know, stuff involved with us to get there. So, we have to get across the river with the 351 bridge. The shoulders are wide enough that we could use shoulders, but we have to get to 351 from college. We worked with the county on that a little bit. Now, any way to get there off of 178 going west to on the north side of 71. Uh, that's the property that the college I mean that the starro owns. and coming in across the old quarry and coming back in here. Is the long range plan for the state uh with the quarry to make that a camping ground or something? Anybody know anything about that? There's all sorts of camp.

But then shouldn't we could possibly consider tying in some kind of a bicycle path or walking path or riding path of some kind? Yeah, I think that's Do we want to make it more specific? tying into, you know, what's happening out there with Star Rock. Otherwise, it's just a dream. Okay. No, I think that you have to be replacing deteriorating sidewalks that stays in. We talked about extending the sidewalk out 39. And the next one, great separation across 39 on Walnut. What does that mean? Jim means a pedestrian bridge over 39 and ramps.

Can't we go north and go across on Moment Street? Sure you can. But it said on Waln Street. So that's why from Waln Street though I mean go north parallel to 39 and then cross on Mormon Street. thing with on street you have a lot more businesses you've got the great stuff you've got I'm just saying going beyond beyond uh going west of 39 okay instead of being instead of crossing 39 right there on on on Moy go north on the uh east side of 39 up to Mormon Street and use the existing bridge that goes across to the college from there. Well, And is there a plan in place to fix that bridge over 39? Right. Right. So if that ever plan to redo that deck or anything. So right now they're out for bids to spray patch some of that. Okay. Hold it together. Yeah. And then I think we went after a grant back to to get that over all that over there. So it's we've been pursuing that kind of stuff for five or six years. Yeah. You wouldn't really want to put pedestrian structure. It's got enough wide enough shoulders but pedestrian

for pipeline but not pedestrians. Right. So we have to have So, do we want to save pedestrian bike way that last one bicycle for a shared use? Shared use shared. Get that Kevin. All right, moving on. 251 exit signing that forever. Every time we ask the department says no already 71 street says 251 goes to Lel but it doesn't go to proof but it says ll well yeah the exit so route 71 we have an exit goes directly street goirectly 251 on. Is that a policy that you can't turn? They've turned us down every time we ask. So, we just keep asking. Right. Yes, it does. That's Oglesby out there. Well, we're annexed out there. We're That subdivision is annexed. So, you do come right through and when you pass the Fender Manders there, that's that's all annexed.

Well, I think we should continue to push for signage. So, what about you don't assign the task yet? No, the object tonight is to is to generate the tasks and then the assignment comes further down. 71 off of 178 onto 71 and then into Oles. out. Right. So we uh so what's what the task says create uniform signage that that's I think no that that that should stay 251 stays. No, she's asking for1 measures along Illinois. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I do. I'd add it

to the first one. So, combine all state. Good. Anything else under that strategy? And I just to bring it up, I think when we looked at years ago, we were talking more about the wayfinding signage like you have in downtown Lasowl where they had their specific different attraction, different attraction signs. I think that's what we were talking about as far as wayf finding instead of finding over speed type of sign within town where things right. So that still needs to be in there. But somebody part of that is figuring out where to send them the parks. Is there any marketing strategies or geo fencing that we have where people that pop up for local businesses right now after that time to create a video that We'll be using that. But we're switching more of our marketing for our events to people in our area. We can select an area. Yeah. Well, along those lines, we should be taking advantage of the fact that Star Brock's address is Oglesby. Well, that is why here. Yeah, I know. I see. But okay.

Moving on to um identifying corridors and facilities. doing their business needs opportunities and promoting local business. I believe you guys already said that you've already Yeah. I mean, this one seems a little redundant to me. specifically trying to attract more. Okay. Develop is kind of limited. That would be twisting Footsie's arm to let other people use their rail. Still can do it though. Okay, we want to keep that stuff in there. We'll just develop rail on. That's what I just said. That's what he was just talking about, Bob. But the only way to do that would be to convince Bootsy to allow their rail to be used by other other users and then I think the rightway is available beyond then that you could do a a rail transfer site but I don't know now that IDR is down there they may not work once you get down there IDR land don't they won't hurt to have it but I don't know that there's opportunities

that next one seems is a redundant since it's in the first part too. You know, maintain a relationship with ENCAT and we got ENCAT right here. Promote and maintain a relationship with ENCAT. It's a task that goes with the goal is to attract more businesses and industry through their transportation choices. It's repetitive, but it's it's under a different goal. We can keep it there. It's not a problem. I'd like to say it appears to be a little redundant. And that's what we were just talking about. Yeah, that's it. Okay. One of the things that hap has happened since then is I think I got put something on Interstate 80 to tell them there's another entrance off of 39. So they've helped with that. Right. about that's what we were just talking about just earlier. I think the overall goal should be to find out to get more traffic through town. Without traffic, you don't you're not going to have any business. So there seems to me that the overall goal ought to be some, you know, develop a plan to get more traffic through downtown Oglesby.

Well, we talked about that earlier. So, not really changing too much on that. Then we can move on to the next thing downtown. and fostering the downtown district into a real real destination way. That sounds familiar. I'd like to make a comment before you go any further. If you have any comments out there, please, you know, let me know. Feel free to make your comments because we need we need input. Yes. We consider downtown. It's been defined. Okay. Uh now I think we go from the dry bridge, right? The dry bridge from the dry bridge to uh Colombia. Yeah. And then Colombia. Colombia north to Carselli 700. Columbia a little bit south but not it had to be defined for the facade grant program uh which was you know to assist downtown businesses. So that definition was done. Okay. And then down to one block one block. Well, 300 block down to Ali. Ali, why don't we get that? It's It's somewhere in our files here. Downtown is defined. So, we we can get

that for you, Lisa. It's a good question, though. crossings events square that's been done so you could take that out there still work for development square what else you going to do public restrooms there there could be a stage or something there there are other things that make that something square. Enhance Sica Square. Yeah, there's other things. One of one of the things you've been down here task outdoor dining in downtown sidewalk areas. So, Cynica Square could be an outside dining place, right? Um you get to businesses adjacent to open restaurants or something and give them access to Synica Square, then that could promote dining downtown. I suppose right now the sidewalks right now the sidewalks aren't restit aren't wide enough to make that happen. So business would be able to have access. It's a possibility as oppos It's a better possibility than trying to put them on the sidewalks downtown and you don't you know you don't have room neighbor in that case I guess it would have to be. Yeah. I think I feel like that's a that's really narrowing. I mean further east businesses that are further east that food because she serves food. So here's the thing. We're looking to get people downtown, right? Yeah. We're trying to

create opportunities for them to be downtown. And what you're saying is we can't make that Synica Square and the buildings next door using it because somebody two blocks away can't use it. You got to think bigger than that. You do a couple times a year, right? Right. It's not a street. It's not a street that you need to get to the park. Well, I'm just thinking we were talking outdoor dining. I'm assuming dining. I was thinking Well, if we're going to let them use a sidewalk, why can't you let them use the park? No, I'm just saying where would you feel to all businesses? I just feel like she already said asked her question about downtown. Downtown is defined that whole space. So why not? I don't feel like we should limit we should put that in there like that. I just feel that, you know. So why why exclude it? Huh? I'm not saying it has to happen, but you're wanting to exclude it. Why exclude it at this stage? I'm not saying it. You are. You're saying don't use it. I would not put it in there at that point. So exclude it. It doesn't have to be for can just be outdoor dining. It doesn't have to. You don't have to call out at this point. Yeah. Specific neighborhood neighboring property or anything. You're just saying you want enhanced outdoor dining. Square is a possibility to be used as everybody knows that. You know, I mean, I think the fifth we're talking about slightly different things. So, we're talking about enhancing Senica Square. Fourth task. Fifth task is promote outdoor dining opportunities. I mean, so there's two separate things, right? And when I brought this up, I was saying it's a way to enhance Sica Square potentially. Yeah. Right. It doesn't mean that the enhancements have to be out outdoor dining. I don't think that's what you're saying either. There could be other opportunities, right? Yeah. I I brought

up as one of the things being it's a city owned property that I mean that's that's a council decision. That's a policy that they have to be some are we? No, we're not just an idea I cited as an example. Okay. Rich, did you have a comment? Okay. street out. Well, if you take out parking spaces, but you go downtown and you get the parking spilled up from the school way down street's way to do that. Even if it's just for the summer months, there's platforms you can put in place. Those kinds of things and then move that parking space available could certainly be studied. We have to balance the parking needs. But but you're suggesting what to develop a plan is what you're what you're saying. Somebody should develop a plan to where you would talk about like can you do there's not enough well and I wasn't necessarily thinking for the outdoor dining I don't know where this fit in with the company I feel like maybe the opportunity within the transportation possibly but I was

just thinking to allow more parking because I feel like parking is an issue in our downtown. Would angles allow more parking, but if it's not wide enough, can we add a task that they actually have marked parking then even if it is parallel? Because we don't have parking spots marked and so people park like, you know, and if they had it marked, it may make it room for more to park. Yes. More efficient. So, where does that fall into adding that as a path? suggest capability. Develop a parking plan. It's appropriate. Develop an appropriate parking plan for for the downtown area and a more um businessfriendly option for parking rather than residents taking off parking. Again, I think council thing, but is there a way to word it to look into that? I don't really want to say that. Well, you have time because that parking lot down by her people just park in there because they live there. Park anywhere. Yeah. And salsas will tell you. So, it does become an issue. You do three hours and birthday party. It's like is there I don't know how you go. I mean I I agree the time limit would be ideal but I don't know 24 hours there. Yeah. I think I I I think by saying develop a parking plan for the downtown area that is you know acceptable to [Music] businesses. Yeah.

I think we can just incorporate it into that plan. Your comments are well taken. Yeah. Another thing the downtown district into a destination. Um every time something's done the downtown is usually between the police station and say I would like to I don't know how we could word that to utilize what has already been identified as the downtown to a little further. Yeah. to start identifying those places and utilizing for whatever they're doing, you know, down Columbia over by the school up to Casey's wherever. You can't use Colombia because it's a state highway. That's and then you're when you're closing Walmart, you you're detouring traffic. So, you have to have you have to figure out detour route. So you can't extend it past fields like all the way to the dry bridge. You couldn't do that just because the furthest you could go was fields. So you go up fields to Florence and around people. Well, that was that was So you're saying that the downtown was only identified for facet money and not Well, it had to be identified for that. Okay. And that's when you so it was identified specifically for that that plan. Okay. So, what nothing else was discussed regarding the downtown area except what is the downtown area where facade money is going to be available. That's what that is approval. What is the what is the application process look like for somebody that wants to close Walmart to council? And do they are they the ones that propose the the closure on this?

I don't know. I think Lisa, that's that's who you have to campaign. The people that are No, I'm just talking about anything. I mean, I think it should be widespread. If that's our downtown area, then that should be widespread. Everything. She's not saying it to close. I don't think you're just saying. Oh, I thought you were talking about No, when you talk about Oh, when you talk about your limits, you're talking about from Columbia down to field. I think when she's saying like when you have city events, everything should be spread down include them. Yes. All the way down. All the way down instead of like just this block like fall fest just an example like Oscars and you don't go further down. That's what I think she's getting. That's what she's getting, right? Yeah. And I don't know where how you could put it in there, but if you want the downtown district as a destination, you need to include all of the downtown. Well, the other thing we have to consider when we do that is the zoning that those areas have. There's adjacent residential zoning, is it commercial zoning, is it uh industrial zoning? What what's the zone for the sales and service property down there? Chippies can business. Okay. B1, B2, V3. Is there a way to maybe actually say um are in or something. When you really look around, if we do want businesses to come, there are several buildings themselves,

you know, be used to try and you know, as they become vacant and stuff. So there is the capability of developing more that way. I think that that should be a bigger thing though, looking at all of the buildings in this area. Yeah. from wherever to wherever and uh and try to market them. I mean, we've got the fraternity building. We've got the the two buildings over here. We got the buildings across from Mr. Salva. And then we have those two stretches. I mean, part of the problem is those two stretches of residential right in the middle. It's not so res. Can we make that a goal that as those residential houses may become for sale or something, the city considers? I thought we re I thought we resoneed all that commercial so that if somebody decided to tear one of those houses down, they could not build another house there. But the house could sell. It's got to stay as an existing sold in the last couple years. Well, I don't know about being sold, but it's sold. right now would be it would be a non-conforming use and a grandfathered non-conforming use and it can remain as residential housing as long as it's not vacant 90 days, 120 days, whatever it is, one year. Okay? So, if somebody lived in it, sold it, moved out, somebody else moved in in 30 days, then it continues to be a residence. So if you want it to be a business, buy the house and then then that makes it go away. If somebody wants to buy the house to make it a commercial use, they can do

that. Just have to buy the homeowner out. Is that timeline an ordinance? Yes. Yeah. Is that something different to try and promote that opportunity? said he could buy that one reser that doesn't mean with the fact you already have it zone for commercial so anybody can buy it at any time make a commercial they don't we don't have to go through the zoning process that's right and having the unknown of I buy this house and want a commercial isn't going to be changed. It's already done, right? I guess I'm just trying I'm not getting my words out right. I guess if the vision is to develop the downtown can we can we and eliminate you have to eliminate the residential possibility if they can buy the house the first floor don't want the first I don't know you got you got apartments above above businesses you want those you want those but you want the first four residential home to not be there anymore businesses And that thing is I think it's in the ordinance now. Yeah. As a as a task we had to promote an effort to expand and make the downtown contiguous. I think that's what everybody said. Yes. Yeah. I mean, well, we've done that by

the zoning. Yeah. But the problem is we haven't had the developer come in with the vision to say, "Okay, I'm going to tear these three house down houses down and create this business." Right. But when and and if that person's not there, what you're doing is that homeowner, you're saying, "You can't sell it. You're screwed. You can't sell it unless you sell it to a business." And that's not fair to them. That's why you have that reasonable continuing use, right? And it's vacant for x amount of time, then the use is lost. And it's pretty common these days for the city to purchase properties when they became available. Could we put that in there with the city of that? I don't know. I mean, again, you told us to think about this. We It happened over here. They bought a house and tore it down with new business coming in. So, can we make that more of a official? You could buy the house and turn it into a business. No, I meant the city. The city came up. She's saying if the city bought a house that came up Yeah. Well, sure. City can do that. I think if you're making it a task and you're keeping it general enough, I'm not you're not forcing the city to do that. You're just having them consider whether city or you want to you want to promote the contiguous commercial downtown area. Yeah. Maybe it's defining from street from whatever the definition is. Yeah. Whatever that definition you want it to become. So then people know when you're talking about the downtown district where right now kind of You don't know what talked about. Try and define that a little more.

It's defined. It just needs to be promoted. Right. And if the downtown district is defined, if the downtown district is defined from the dry bridge going west, the minute you cross that bridge, what do you see? Nothing but a bunch of garbage cans sitting right there. [Music] Now that's to me that's somehow we have to figure out how to make that look nice. When you come across that bridge, first thing you see is garbage cans lined up both sides of the street all the way up. I don't care. I'm saying what you see is with garbage cans. So it's not a very attractive entrance to the city. I think what Kyle said is perfect. But they're there all week. The cans are sitting out there all week. Well, they shouldn't be. I thought you Well, that sounds like a what what what I'm saying is, you know, if we want to make this more attractive and everything, we have to consider what it looks like when you when you come across that bridge. go back and my vision is also coming from you know development happened that's where a majority of traffic is going to start coming from too you know the new expansion so okay we have that one beat up pretty well All right. Well, moving on. Uh space available to small business. Now I do.

I think it'd be nice to see little portable places throughout town where there's a lot of empty lots, right? Yeah. Think you could do something along the lines of what Udica did, but but with the available property that we have sitting up and down and like she said, $1.8 $8 million all together and continue it down to your end of towns. Yeah, I I think throughout downtown is would be good. I thought we going to shut them off. Maybe strike the cluster, you know, part of it. Okay. What do we want to say there? We want to keep We want to keep that in there as an opportunity. Yes. Mhm. You want to keep them clustered or you want I would just say I would just add throughout or opportunities throughout downtown. Stop it there after downtown. Yeah. Don't define it. Yeah. You don't I don't think you have to go any further. Okay. Um keeping that one up a little bit. Um next strategy building rehabilitation uh will be encouraged after design guidelines are developed. We did develop the guidelines, didn't we, Jim? Yes. Yeah. So that's the design guidelines have been developed. I'm sorry. I'm going to back up for one minute. Did we leave in there small portable and temporary structures? No. I think we're stopping. We're going to say opportunities throughout downtown. Period. Okay. Okay. But I mean, so this way they can have a task to say. It could be temporary. What we're doing is just leaving it wide open. Well, it could be. We're not

limiting it to permanent, temporary, whatever. It could be either or. Okay. Okay. The tax of the program funds downtown. There there is no TIFF downtown. So that needs to go away. No, there is. Where? The TIFF downtown. Yeah. Do we add We didn't add it back in. Yes, we did. We still have the TIFF grant program. Yes, we we added the TIFF downtown last last year. Okay. Put it back in. All right. Part of Tiff six now. Not continue to utilize. It's not tip one. It's TIFF six. The more expensive one. So Um exploring uh or explore extending tiff one. Um we did that, didn't we? Well, we extended tiff six. Take that out. So take that one out. Maintain a market speed program. city will invest in downtown and develop information and ideas to provide business owners. I think leave it. Yeah. Should you include that new program the big is that where that that's that is basically what it is building improvement. Yeah. The city will invest in that and develop information and what provide the big details or whatever. Well, it's the facade program is big. It is one talking about the I'm sorry. Okay. Okay. Where are we? Um, city will encourage private investments. Sure.

Hope so. Oh yeah, that's pretty pretty general. Uh, explore the ideas of a business incubator to increase development business. Absolutely. I think that's that's a good one. We ought to really push that some kind of an incubator for I have a suggestion for an addition to that category. Um, what about I I think that we focus so much on new business, but I really think that we need to focus on retention of what we have and supporting those businesses that are already down there. Um, because it's a lot easier to keep something than to create something new. So, if we could I don't know exactly what that looks like, but if we could somehow add something like that. Yeah. Mhm. It's just talking to businesses to find out what their issues are. Yeah. It it we shouldn't be our conversations with businesses shouldn't be when they have a problem, right? We should be talking to them continue discussions to improve relations with curb businesses. So if you skip the next page, they do kind of talk about that um the commercial development. So maybe that could just be renamed commercial development and retention. So it does come later. Just saying. However, it might be more appropriate after this next page. Okay. Moving on. Uh the first case downtown marketing business downtown developing a marketing plan. asking retail options about a revolving loan fund. What about the revolving loan fund? We never had that, did we? Think we have They're

available, but I don't know that Oglesby has ever taken advantage of it. It's a program. Hillary, are you familiar with that revolving loan program? Is that through what you work with? That's not an Oglesby thing. No. No. No. Programs out there. I know. Right. DC used to have if I if I if I understand that right Kevin they actually give you the startup money for that. Is that how it works? Usually there's a match like a 5050 match. So how much you want to put in that money to develop program is the proper terminology to develop that fund or it currently exists right there's well no that's a grant program through USDA so you have to develop apply you have to develop your program apply for it and be awarded it program I know I learned about one that if you have your own um electrical department and under 6,000 that you get like a low interest loan for like 1% but then you can turn around. What are those called when you do that? Is that the same thing? I don't know. That's what that is too. I mean that I think that would be like really good to do. I mean city gets it for and you can charge 3% if you want. So you can even make a little money yourself, but it's low interest for businesses and it's Who is that through? I'll tell you in a minute. I got to pull it up. I learned about it last year at IML, [Music] but you can keep going while I'm looking

and I'll tell you. uh work with businesses Cabo and uh other organizations for the development and promotion of downtown activities to direct people to downtown. Well, Cabo doesn't exist. Yeah, Cabo is now including that group continue to conduct the building to direct business and investments into downtown. [Music] Is there anything else under that downtown? Well, that cobos we are almost out there. Yeah, they made that. First goal being to improve variety and availability local and regional commercial opportunities. um strategy being develop marketing plan to help always be effective retaining businesses already talked about a little bit main tasks being keep talking about those empty buildings keep showing to people um market and create interest [Music] change that well I think uh I think the city has to look to somebody to develop that marketing plan whether it's working in conjunction with the college and in an opportunity like that or some I don't want to say advertising agency but some kind of a commercial agency that that does that kind of thing. Western univers has a program like that I think and but uh they help the community develop a marketing plan and that's what the city has to do. I would say that is an task is seek

outside. Yeah. Assistance. That would be a good Can we be a little more specific for branding like for them to have a branding? Well, that might be part of the plan. Branding it. You think it would be somebody that would look at the city and what it is and say, "Okay, you need to brand." Yeah. You need to do this. You need to do this. You need to do this. So, it would be part of that. Okay. [Music] Yeah, with with outside help, I think with any possibly with any of these activities you're talking about outside the parking the city's not right. [Music] It's whatever possible seek whatever resources. True. Okay. Um strategy there. Uh develop an incentive package that identifies local, state, and other potential benefits uh business incentives and create incentive packages. I think I think that would be part of that whole overall marketing plan because it wouldn't be uh wouldn't be limited just to commercial. I think your marketing plan would also include residential and uh industrial development. So it would be an overall plan by an outsider except this is called commercial development. So I know but it would be part of industrial and the whole thing. [Music] Looking at the tasks, the city will staff a tourism coordinator um build a relationship to encourage land building owners to list existing val sites for location. Well, let's back up to the tourism coordinator because I mean are

we going to do something like that? Do we we don't currently have a tour coordinator, do we? [Music] No. I think it's a good idea. But didn't we say at the last meeting about economic development, too? I wonder if it could be rolled into one. That and maybe a grant writer could do it all. Or what about a marketing person? I mean, wouldn't all that be an umbrella for tourism economic growth? Like if you marketed a marketing position, I think that would come out of that overall marketing plan. The city would Okay. You know, there's definitely a need for a person on staff to be able to concentrate on tourism, economic development, grant writing. Grant writing. It's all It's all economic development. All those tasks you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. And didn't we say that earlier? Right. Okay. So then I think you could strike that in here or should you say would be an expectation of that person kind it's kind of specific if if I hear you right we're kind of rolling this position into a whole bunch of stuff. So we could get rid of tourism coordinator and marketing. Marketing is kind of what you marketing academics building relationship with other similar sites. [Music] I'm not familiar with that. So I'll see if it's still available. I think it is.

Intersect Illinois also has a program right that's generally industrial I think I think several of our sites on the west end of town are participating in those maintaining strong partnerships with the local regional economic development organizations would you identify Would somebody identify? That's the acronym right there. North Central Illinois Economic Development Council have North Central Illinois Economic Development District, the Illinois Valley area, Chamber of Commerce, Economic Development, and LCDC is not any longer development. LCPC is gone. Yes. They kind of roll into the NC. Okay. All right. Thank you. So, are we maintaining strong partnerships with these people organizations? Now, I don't know. So, we work with Gina's group. um they um are constantly feeding us the state uh requests for proposals and we work with her to put those proposals for industry that would um that we meet the criteria with um Ivy our commissioners and mayor attend the I IVAC meetings and things like that and that's more at least on my that's more like the mayor level that does that sort of thing. Lel

County doesn't have a economic development program, do they? Don't Don't a lot of these places, the industry contacts them. What do you have available in your area? And then they reach out to you, right? What do you have available? Right? send us, you know, a soil study on a site X or something like that type of stuff. So, we do work with them when they contact us. Uh, in here it doesn't say anything about working with the local land developers. The people that own the land around it really control your destiny. And so somewhere in here, there should be some kind of a statement about working with the people that really own the land around here. If we're going to have commercial development or industrial development, even residential, you know, the land owners really control that. Somehow we have to develop some kind of a I don't know better relationship with them and have been promoting all that area. Look at all the land we got out there, right? you know, and so your your your city engineers office does a lot of that. They're aware of those guys and what they have and reach out to them to share that information when when necessary. We do that a lot. Well, I used to do that a lot. Now somebody else does it. Yeah. But then why why isn't anything getting done? I mean, people people come question why don't we you know that land out there should be developed. because we don't had adequate water and sewer to serve that area out there. And every time somebody comes to look at it, we say, "Well, we may need a well to provide what you need in the way of water." And we have to look at until we get our wastewater treatment plant built, we we have limits on what we can

do to handle their wastewater. And then a lot of them like GTI have a lot of energy needs. Until we get our substation up and going, we basically we don't have the infrastructure out there yet. Infrastructure took off. evolved first and you have to have a woman right so you think the infrastructure is holding back development of the it's what I'm hearing well t what but in the good old days you you get these people to come in and they would build the infrastructure and they would get reimbured through tiff funds right but now you're you're camp you're you're competing with other areas so what can you offer them as opposed to what what can they offer you in a lot of ways Right. Exactly. And that's where we left. And when you think about the fact that between Bloomington and Rockford, we're sitting at a key location here. And well, well, Sal's the same way. They really haven't. Well, not on 39. Well, they're on they're on just two miles off. Udica built that water tower. Yeah. You could have built the water tower 20 years ago probably and nobody's using it. Well, Loves uses it, I think. So, and a developer built that tower and was being reimbured through the tiff. So, he's getting next to nothing. But just just as food for thought, whether it's commercial or industrial or residential as as far as commercial, we we have businesses start up and they close up because we don't have any traffic. I mean, why? We had Kentucky Fried Chicken. We had, you know, Taco Bell or whatever it was out there. You know, they both closed. We had the ice cream place that closed. Burger King closed, right? Why are these places closed? Because there's no traffic. There's

nobody coming in. So, the whole point, the whole point is you have to develop traffic somehow to get in here. So, that retail and also commercial businesses will develop Okay. Said my piece. I agree with you. Moving on. Um market program. [Music] Facade program. strategy enforce guidelines to ensure new or structures, buildings and property are complementing the character and setting of structures to maintain an appropriate project scale. That's part of the land development. No, we have a separate landscaping right ordinance. Yeah, that's part of the the design review committee's responsibility again for portion of the business district. So, and it's not just landscape ordinances you have to maintain. We have to m make sure that they maintain their businesses structurally so that the buildings are properly maintained period. Well, is it maintaining the ordinance or enforcing the ordinance? We have a landscaping ordinance, right? And really haven't had any big things where we put that in. Doesn't good Doesn't do any good to maintain it if you don't enforce it. Well, I'm not sure we've had an opportunity to enforce. Where would we enforced it? We didn't enforce it. I mean, with the design

review board, does this really need to be in there? because a new business can't just go and do what they want in the design review board. There there's specifics in landscape laid out, right? I think part of it too is when people the other people look at the comprehensive plan, there people from outside of town and they don't know that you have a designer board. So when they see these kind of things, they'll say, "Oh, they're already doing designer review. They're doing they want to see that everything looks well together." And so they see that you have a vision of what you want the town to look like and they're not just so they know what they're wanting. So when you're continue to implement those kind of things, they it's good to continue to have in there because it tells the story of where you're at and what you've been working on doing up to this point. And then you're also talking about what you're going to be doing down the road. to to Jim's point, I mean, do we want to add something or expand um more than landscape? It sounds like we're just focusing on the landscape of it, but not talking about the structural elements of the buildings or just add a second task to Yeah. Right.force. Yeah, that's why either add enforce add a task that says enforce property maintenance codes. Yeah. Not just have them, but enforce Should we include the uh landscaping and the design in the land development code? Well, what I'm hearing is they'd like to see that you got a landscaping ordinance. That's that's a good thing. So, have a separate task for that is good for somebody outside reading it. And I wouldn't think it would be a bad thing to enforce property maintenance codes for somebody looking at outside either. So, all right. the city passed um the property added the property maintenance

code to our building codes back in February because we re realized that we needed to have something on the books that allowed us to to enforce that and uh and to make sure that properties are maintained properly. So we have taken that first step. Yeah. Do you think putting there like utilizing design review board would be appropriate? Is did you mean that people would like to see that we have a design review board or not to see? Yeah, that you would people that are coming to develop ordinance through your does it go through the designer [Music] reference that right? Yeah. Or or in the in the strategy itself. Yeah. [Music] We're happy with that. We can move on to industrial. I think back to Becky's point about the business retention that could be a new um going backwards to the last slide. What are you suggesting? I read right now. Um [Music] I don't know where you put business retention. Maybe it's a a new strategy. A new strategy. Well, you got the the strategy of developing a package. So you put it in there, you know, new businesses or retain existing businesses somehow. Right. Right. Says that on the first strategy, right?

be nice to have its own strategy where where people might actually read it and focus on it like you know the strategy be retaining existing b businesses but then you know the task like maybe creating something within the city where they they go out and meet with there's a a quot of meeting with the area businesses or some sort of schedule and making sure that they're getting what they need from the city, constant communication with being sure the lines of communication are open. What if you made the strate proactive that strate develop an incentive? What if you made that the task under the strategy of business retention and instead call it develop an incentive um plan? you that I think you're talking about more communication like to boost communication with existing businesses, right? And I I think that one of the other uh tasks in there would be um you know a closer working um relationship with we are always will be um because they represent the business owners a lot and so I think that would be one thing [Music] we'll work on something to add to that regarding protection. Okay. Okay.

really stuff. Moving on to um maintaining and enhancing a diverse industrial practice that is environmentally friendly um with retaining and recruiting uh [Music] task to maintain and upgrade existing infrastructure that we spoke about a little bit. um design corridors and areas more suitable for industrial growth and expansion access industrial use properties or purchase options on potential industrial sites to assist in guaranteed future land costs for developers. How do we go about this? I would say to include in the first task maintain, expand and upgrade existing or it's not existing if it's expansion but I think what we're talking about is um putting more utilities over on the yeah so first line of that would be task expand common maintain and upgrade existing infrastructure something to Maintain and upgrade does not mean you know expand. Expand. So we need to put expand in there. Maintain and then separate separate task. It' be expand. Yeah. To meet future needs or you just put the word expand in front. You can include it in the same thing. Yeah. So just Yeah. I got it. Yeah. Okay. Anything else up there about those tasks? goal uh help cultivate and maintain a viable workforce partner with IBCC business training center and other local and regional agencies for skills and job training the workforce board works best

building relationships with area businesses better understand the needs and of course that's part of that thing you were talking about Becky [Music] but Not to do with the employment there. This is more for employment. Yeah. Yeah. Can can that be moved to the the page before? Because what does that have to do with industry like industrial? I'm sorry. Well, you you have to proper work force. You have to understand the industry has to understand where your workforce is coming from. So when you get something like uh the place Peru got north of Interstate 80. Yeah. West of Plank Road, you need to have people trained up to do the tasks they need. I believe they reached out to the college before they came to help expand their workforce. Oh, you're still on the first strategy. You mean? No. Yeah. [Music] Right. Yeah. This is first strategy. This is all industrial. You okay? All right. Feel all right with that. Nothing want to change. Okay. Um using business potential means business needs and issues, suggestions to provide solutions and maintain open dialogue with employers. Pretty viable tasks and changes.

Okay. Um, next goal then, uh, explore investment options in alternative power sources. Um, explore consulting with professionals in the alternative energy field on possibilities to leverage the city's current power resources. Is there anything more specific on the solar wind? What are we allowed to do under our IMEA contract? Rich, good shape. So, alternative energy fields and tie them into our infrastructure. Are we allowed to do that? Yeah, we have to agree to it. As of now, I don't think they'll let us. Right. So, we've sort of done that when we did that small solar field. What's it? It's a couple acres and it provides enough energy to power 70 homes, something like that. But we'd need, I don't know, six, seven times that much to actually cover the entire town. 1,500 homes. Is there anything along these lines that we want to add to that? Alternate energy sources. All right. Is our contract with them an ongoing contract? 31 years. 30 more years. [Music] Yeah. I don't know. Do we keep that in? That's what I was thinking too. Well, the wind farms are ordinances are such that we really can't have a wind farm inside city limits. Can we do we need that in there then? So, right now we don't know what the new energy

sources are, right? We've without disclosing too much we we've had people come into town that want to develop and create energy with alternative alternate fuels. I think it was hydrogen or something like that in this most recent case. So we were working with them to promote that as an alternate energy source that they would come and produce it here. Is that what that is that what that goal is though? Yeah, that would be an alternative power source. There's nothing to prevent us from putting solar panels on our current buildings and feeding them, is there? I don't think. And I mean, as a city, we could and our ordinances allow solar gardens that would serve a group of businesses or a group of homes. So, we have it, but it's it's more for individual type of use. is not for producing it and selling it back to the grid, right? Does the city have anything with that? If I want to put solar panels in my house and I'm producing more energy than I use, does it go back into the grid? Is do we have options like that? Yeah. I was just curious. I know some places do. Well, you don't get paid. My son has it down in Champagne. It feeds back to the system, but he uh he sometimes doesn't get a bill. Yeah. Right. Yeah. But he just said he gets credits on you're we're not going to write you a check. Right. Correct. But you get credit for and our our um our requirements with IMA and the ordinance that we adopted just basically says that you're allowed to put as many solar panels as you need to power your home, but not to generate excess electricity. Gotcha. I think isn't that right, Rich? The problem is when they're generating, they're generating more than they're

using. And so, but that but that's where the credit comes in. Yeah. As you feed back into the grid, you get credit for those kilowatt hours that you're feeding back in and it shows up on your next bill. [Music] But do we leave that in there? I mean, I think so. So, I guess leave it in. It doesn't All right. Just leave it in. Moving on to natural hazards. Actually, the last slide [Music] natural hazards to the region to mitate the damage short recovery time uh to make a more resilient community. um participate planning process to updating the uh self hazard mitigation plan they're five years in order to retain or remain eligible and uh apply FEMA PDM funds PDM stands for what pre- disaster mitigation okay and then make sure that they're being the city tasks and remain active enough activities putting along those tasks, engaging in regional discussion on practices, maintain outdoor warning sirens, uh convert condition and update them when necessary, purchasing new ones for full community coverage or the expansion requires. Um identify and promote heating cooling centers uh locations to residents. make sure that such facilities are compliant with the American Disabilities Act, which makes sense. Tests looking good so far. Yep. Well, isn't that one being maintained? Could you just put promote? Well, we do promote it. We we let people know on the Facebook page, a temperature

is going to be above 100 degrees. Cooling centers are going to be at this location from 8 to 4:30 and at this location after 4:30 type of things. That's how we promote it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, do we need to identify? Can't that be updated to just promoting it? Because they identifi that's maintaining it. Okay. Are you saying to put maintain and promote instead of identify and promote? I think that would make more sense because and identify to me sounds like something they still need to figure it out. Where's the where is the heating and cooling center right now? One's here and one's the fire department. And I believe they're both ADA compliant in the in the act. I would take out the years of that act. I think it's nitpicky, but 1990. I think there's more recent. Yeah. [Music] Uming residents in the importance of understanding their flood insurance policy. Uh participating in the development of a regional storm water management ordinance that will reduce flooding and protect lives, property and the environment. Working together as a region to share resources and improve opportunities for the public to be engaged informed of the risks of natural hazards and mitigation activities. Identify potential mitigation projects and collect FEMA PDM funds. Still looking good changes. What's would be the point of in informing residents on the importance of understanding their flood insurance? Like why would the city take that on? Just to just to educate

them. I mean, they're typically only used in in a flood plane and Oglesby, I think there might be one property owner in a flood plane in the entire city of Oglesby. So, is that normal though? Like, why would the city want I'm I'm Why would be involved, right? It seems like it should I don't know. It just seems kind of weird. you we live in an area that flooded and we had a disaster, it would be better if people had insurance, right? So, so that those properties would be rebuilt and and redone. So, maybe making them aware of the fact that they're in a flood plane and say like that like to make them aware that they're well actually then it's not so much flood insurance policy as it is the fact that they're in a flood. That would make more sense. I don't know. The way I read that is like you need to tell people like hey do you understand but but right I think there's one property in local speed that is in that's long we just change that to for me has to do more with the the informing people that they are in a flood plan and you can purchase flood insurance if you're not in a flood plan cost you exponentially less but if you with the value rains we've get lately, you know, you get two, three, four inches at a time, you could find yourself where you're in a in a swale, all the water then comes to your your house, your property, you could get hit. I mean, it's it's one of those things to be aware of. And I try to help them with that because if you don't have flood insurance, you're not it's a very rare situation. Somebody like that buys it, but once it happens to, you're like, well, maybe I better find coverage. Good point.

Moving on. Um, including uh mitigation provisions when considering the creation and/or revision of plans and ordinances. National flood insurance program once again compliance adoption and enforcement of flood plane management regulations is required. uh consider natural hazard mitigation when uh constructing new buildings and when renovating and revising buildings. Anything else in there? once twice and uh close the last page and talk about accomplishments from previous and you'll just put bring that up to date on the things that we've accomplished. Yes. On the 202020 plan the dog park. Yeah, we'll have to look at that and review it. Now, I'm hoping next at the next meeting that we get input on what people's ideas are relative to the growth of the city. I'd like to see input from not only the council members, but from anybody in business community, make sure that we're on track with what we're considering as a comprehensive plan. Also, I talked to I've got a call in right now to the superintendent schools in town to find out what their long range goals are. Are they considering a new school? You know, is that a possibility in the area? And uh I'll get some comments from superintendent and pass those along at the next meeting. Next meeting, if we're going to keep it that way, would be on July 9th.

Is that okay with everybody? What happens at the next meeting? Is it continuing chapter 13? Well, we're done with this part of it. Kevin. Yeah. Going on to chapter 13 for implementation looking at the, you know, prioritized timeline of immediate, middle, and long-term goals, long range goals projects. And then we also we will try to have the updated chapter 12 for you. Okay. I was going to say that would be helpful before we Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So if we're looking for people's input though, would their input fall into this chapter or technically in chapter 12? Well, what we have to do is make sure we include the people's comments. Okay. Now, where they fall, I don't know. I don't know what the comments are. getting public input is taking into consideration where you think changes might be. So it could fall back into chapter 12. Right. Right. Okay. Now I understand. Could we promote the next meeting as you know focus on getting people here and getting their comments like you tried it with part of the comments and the you know in your Facebook comments and uh you know but let's try I I say try to get as many people here as possible because this is a city thing. This is the growth and development of the future of the city and we should have input from the people. Um, do you ever do you have any kind of like survey content that we could potentially put an online link out there? Does that ever happen in these types of It does at times. We had talked about doing a survey. It's summer, so I'm thinking, you know,

like maybe we can be another option to, you know, we're developing a survey to get the questions that you want. We want to ask the next talk about survey to get that. Is that an additional fee to this process? It would be because we didn't outline that. Do you have any resources or any other place that has done one that we could look at to potentially do our own? I can look at that survey. I'll also be contacting Dr. Morris out at the college, tell her that we're working on this plant and find out if there's any input from the college that might be valuable to us. Is it worth trying to reach out to IDNR? I don't know if you're going to get any anywhere with them, but maybe the the city's been meeting with them a lot lately. Not a lot, but recently about extending utilities and stuff like that. They to address their needs, but I don't think we've presented any needs to them. I think we've expressed a desire for a bridged for a connection and that's pretty much been dismissed outright for for reasons where it would have to be and bootsy and all that kind of stuff. So my question would be is there any discussion of annexation? There's no benefit for us to annex them. They're they're they're not taxed. I know they're not taxed. Yeah. So we just have we by annexing them it would force us to spend the money to extend the infrastructure to them. So there's an expense to it for us but there's really not a benefit to it for us and they're already our neighbor

their visitors are already going to come here. So unless we can provide them a service. Yeah. I'd like to see the benefits and and and problems associated with the whole thing the pros and cons of annexation the whole thing. Well, the pro the pros is we get we get nothing financially out of it other than visitors. Does anybody have a the blueprint of what it's supposed to look like even? I mean, that might be helpful for us to see as we're trying to think of things. They they've got a general feasibility thing out there. You guys think you can get that from them? Well, find out see if you because there's some sort, you know, non-disclosure stuff like that going on. Yeah. So, um, so I know I know one of the people that work for ENCAT and, um, she want she would be willing to come and speak because she said that there's a lot of stats about OAL speed that she would like share. Is that would that be the opportunity for her to talk about the transportation? I think the more comments we get, you know, the better off this plan is going to be, the more input we get. What are some other ways we can try to get people here or let them know that you know the meeting's happening? I know one time um you guys sent out postcards, correct? Yeah. Yeah, that's a really good one. What if we didn't have such a formal setting? What if it was more, you know, not a meeting type, but just public forum? Can we do something like that? Well, where where we invite people in and they and they talk to the different people or address this can be open. I I know but it's it's it might be a little intimidating for people to get

for somebody to come up here and and have to say my name and you know you can also provide them written opportunities clipboards and and like comments sheets. Generally when you have something that way not everybody does generally when you have something like that you have an exhibit that you share with them and they look at the exhibits and then they comment on them and give their opinions on things. So our exhibit would be chapter 12, right? It's not very fun to look at. Feeling to the eyes. So you'd have however many people get here to read ch sit there and read chapter 12 and jot down questions. What if they had visions? Like don't we want to hear people's visions? Like if they haven't I mean they might have something that we're like oh yeah I don't know. Maybe you could put questions on a clipboard or something. So they could fill it out if they didn't feel comfortable speaking. But the first thing is to get them here. Right. That's the hardest part. Yeah. Yeah. Or what about if instead of a survey, which takes a lot of time and a lot of expense to put together, we is there I'm not I don't know a lot about technology, but what about if we create a way where they can like a Google form go in and and put something, you know, in writing. They could just sit down at their keyboard and and put their I think you get more that way than you're going to do getting people here. If you ask me my opinion, I'd rather type it in and just send it in and then come and watch this. I would rather come in person and not do it. Yeah, if you're doing half and half the time. Yeah, if you are doing a survey, I have a software that I use that send I can send out online like surveys that maps things that analyzes them that I'd be willing to donate my time to create. If people want to come up with it, I can create it. It has a QR code you can scan to do it. Has a link

you can send out. Is there any way you put that on a postcard say hey fill out this or don't have to be like a one page right right just simple questions you know if you could see oals we have anything develop anything or you know just or just say what are your thoughts what are your thoughts I just like Dave's idea because you got to remember things you enjoy the most about. People are busy now. Like it's just different than even 10 years ago. People are always on the go. If I can scan something in, like even just scanning in and buying my kid a freaking ticket for the carnival, that was easier than having to go deal with that. But what is our demographic? But you got to remember, I was just going to say I'm older. The younger generation, that's what they do. But you got a lot of older people who are going to That's why you you offer both. You got to do both. They can come here and talk if they want. If not, you offer scan. You put it on a postcard and you say, "Hey, here's a QR code or here's the time of the meeting." Okay, why don't we come up with something? And and what what if what if I mean I don't know if the guys with the emphasis but what if like you know it just doesn't have to be what why wouldn't the council have a a morning breakfast or something at at big brother or two brothers and people could go and just talk about the future of speed or something like that. Are we talking about the comprehensive plan? Are we talking about if if we're talking about the comprehensive plan, we have to talk about the plan. If we're talking about, you know, bring input from people, but if we sit out at two brothers and say, "What's your what's your dream?" That doesn't become part of the plan unless we collect all that information somehow.

And I'm not going to be liked for saying this, but if people are going to come, we have to be open to hearing what they say because I feel like a lot of times people open their mouth and they get shut down real quick at city meetings and everything and that's why people honestly that's why people don't want to give their time or waste their time because it's not going to be received anyways. I feel like people feel that way and I've talked to people that feel that why go say anything? Nobody's going to listen. So, we have to be open to hearing what people are saying. And if we're not going to do it, then we're wasting our time. You can't shut people down the minute they open their mouth. You at least got to hear them out and make them feel like they're being heard and have the ability to put whatever they want on a piece of paper. Yes. I mean, I'm not saying like, you know, if somebody's asking for something absurd, like obviously that can't happen. But we just got to we got to hear people out. As long as they don't go on for an hour, I'm with you. Right. We haven't gone off the being respectful and just take all that information and I mean no disrespect to anybody. It's just let's be mindful of people's time. We're asking them to come out, hear them out. We want to have an informal meeting. Yeah. Yeah. With with the survey options. I'm here where you have this QR code. If they want to come to the informal meeting and make comments, that's great. Or this you have to scan this QR code and answer some survey questions. And here's here's what I think. Could there be some questions um printed out to be put in the utility bills for those who maybe with added QR code like a like points that they so maybe some people that want to fill it out, they could send it in. they'll know about the meeting and then those who want to do the QR code just do it

if I mean it's probably going to take a little bit to put all that together so we're delaying this process a bit but if if that's not a big issue I think it's a great idea do we need a subcommittee to come up with the questions I mean or do you want to have another meeting with 11 of us create the questions to go in the survey right I think we could probably come up with a series of questions. When do the utility bills get mailed? They get mailed like Yeah, at the end of the month. So, like so potentially we wouldn't have to do a postcard because we could put it in all the utility. But she's going on vacation. She's the one doing it. Okay. Right. Becky, how about how about if we ask our commission here to get a some questions into you? If you got questions that you think you you know somehow you want to phrase them, let's get them into Becky. We'll compile them and then we'll use that as a starting point for trying to get that. Becky, how long you gone for? I am not. Can we can we tell you too like I did some research before this this meeting and I came across a couple surveys like if you look up Hillsboro because it's my hometown but I found a Hillsboro in Texas that that is building they call it like 20 2035 it's their Hillsboro 35 plan and they have already got like something put together. So, I think if you there's probably plenty of examples out there that you guys could go and pick, you know, you don't have to reinvent the wheel. You could probably borrow some things. That's why I was thinking if they resource even another time you knew that did it, we could just peek at their survey and send them over to him to Is there an urgency to having a meeting

July 9th? I mean, can we can we develop a survey, you know, make sure we're happy with it, send it out in July and then meet in August and have the meeting in August. I mean, that might work better for people's schedules. By a middle of August, you're going to have people not on vacation anymore. That's a wonderful idea. That's fine. Let's take the time to do it the best we can. All right. I vote for that option. I do, too. Okay. We will not have a meeting on July 9th. In the meantime, we'll develop this program or questions, survey, whatever. I can send out an example, too, what I what mine would look like. You guys can comment on it. I can design it any way you want. So, unless we use July 9th to come up with their questions. Yeah, that's what I mean. if if you wanted to meet quick to whoever's avail. Well, let's see how it how how they how it works out and and if we can get it all put together by the 9th, you know, we could have a could have a meeting on the 9th to discuss the survey, right? Yeah. Just finalize the survey. Do you want to um like put a sub committee together to do that so that you have some people actually leading it and and getting it done rather than just you've already got Mr. Peters doesn't have to be as a committee of just these members. No, I think we should try and find a business owner outside of this board and a someone from the school for this for the No, I think extensive. I don't think that we that'd be tough to get people together. You think we should develop the questions? Yes. All right. Yeah, I think

we can do that. And if they want to come to that meeting, if there's a business owner or a teacher that would want to come to the meeting, that would be great opportunity for them. Okay. If you want it for the July 9th meeting, it might be best that these questions go to Dave for him to organize them because to be honest, she's going to be gone. Yeah, I would suggest to me I'll get the survey going. Yeah, no problem. And his email addresses and everybody's emails, I think. Give us a deadline, Dave. July 8th. Yeah. Yeah. Once I once I get the actual thing built, it's just adding, you know, I can just put all the questions on there. We can weed through them and I can delete them really easy. Yeah. Doesn't take much. Okay. So, get your questions in today and uh if it uh works out that we get everything put together by the 9th, you know, or the week before, we'll have a meeting. Otherwise, we'll hold off until we were satisfied with the questionnaire and the survey and and plan from there. How's that? And those would and then the questions will go out in July. Well, whatever. However, I think we I think we do a postcard in the July or August newsletter that goes out. I think the timing is going to be the issue. Yeah, we'll see how it works out. Yeah, it depends on how big the survey is. survey. That's I think we talk about, hey, we want no more than 10 questions or whatever. Yeah, you don't want 50 questions. No, you're you're not going to want it to be 10. Okay, that's the plan. Whatever include a link to this. Any other comments? Comprehensive plan. If not, I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn. So moved. So move second. Move and

seconded. All those in favor? The eyes have it. Thank you very much everybody. Thanks for your input. Appreciate all your time. Go see the kids first. I can't do it. Alec, don't leave them out. If I leave him out almost brought up those improvements you did to your building. They didn't go through design board. We just looked you up. I will. You been here before? Yeah, a couple times. Wanted to say we just came back. Rich and I and a bunch of us back last Wednesday. Yeah. We took that uh 10 day or