Common Council - Regular Meeting

Fourth meeting of the common council to order. I will ask our clerk to call the role. Alder person Keane here. Novak here. Noline res here. Turner here. Wigel here. Gisham here. Excuse virtually here. Not excused here. Halverson here. 10 present.

All right. A quorum is present. Uh please rise if you are able and join us in the pledge of allegiance which will be led this evening by Alderwoman Keane. United States of America and to the republic for its one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. We will move on to part D of our agenda this evening, public hearings and presentations. We have three items and I will ask the board to read item number one.

Ordinance to amend front setback for accessory dwelling units and further define other residential accessory structures. Thank you. Turn it over to Mr. Sher.

Hi. Good evening. Uh my name is Steve Sher. the director of city planning. And our um first public hearing this evening is um on an ordinance amendment to um section 19.42 of the zoning ordinance dealing with accessory structures. Okay. So the first part of the um of the ordinance amendment would be to update the existing definition um of accessory structure. Um the highlighted part in green is the the part that we added basically um indicating that um in addition to you know um an accessory structure being a structure other than a principal building such as your home. uh it is also considered detached from um from the principal building and including that limited to our ports, sheds, fertilizing table within 19442 um which basically um identifies the bulk requirements of various accessory buildings. uh the first column being accessory dwelling units. The city does currently allow accessory dwelling units uh within the city subject to these that columns bulk requirements. Um we also allow detached things like detached garages and um other what's deemed as other accessory buildings. Those can be the pergolas, the green houses, the gazeos that we had talked about, carports in the in the prior slide. So the change to this part will be on that first column under accessory dwelling units and um the front yard setback portion of that would be changed. Right now if you look at existing portion of that but front yard setback for an accessory dwelling unit is 60 ft from

the front property line. We'd like to change that be consistent with the zoning the applicable zoning district um of or where that ADU would like to be located. So, for instance, um if within a residential RB zoning district, um the the idea would be to have the uh front setback be consistent with the RB zoning district. The other um highlighted portion the ordinance here that would be changing would be to include some design standards. So for any accessory building that's over 150 square ft um there would be a building permit required and then that building permit also triggers a design review. So, we're just building in some design characteristics for um larger buildings on a lot so that they're somewhat compatible with the main structure, whether it be a roof pitch, siding, uh exterior materials, color just sort of bring some symmetry to the overall look on the property. Um under the um under the existing uh code, just sort of an example that 60 foot setback would look like. This is just a hypothetical corner lot in the city of West Dallas and 61st and Lapam. Um, under the existing code, the way it's currently written, that accessory dwelling unit, in this case, a 400 ft secondary dwelling would have to be set back 60 ft from that front yard uh lot line along Lapam Street, which is on the top. And then with the code change, this is what it does. It brings that accessory dueling unit closer to the street frontage with Lapam Street. um consistent with the um RB zoning district. So in this case, a 10- foot front yard setback similar, very similar and consistent with the the main home, the main dwelling on that property. Um not all neighborhoods are the same in West Dallas. We have different zoning

districts. Um in some portions of the city, you have uh that are not as dense. There's a greater setback requirement. For instance, in the RA1 zoning district, and in that area, an accessory dwelling unit is also allowed, but it would have to be set back at least 30 feet from the front yard. uh front lot line similar to the main home. So in in each case though, new construction um would require both design review and a building permit. So plan commission has recommended um approval of this ordinance amendment. There have been no objections after being published and I'm happy to take any questions. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Are there any questions from the members of the council on public hearing number one? Mayor Divine. Alderman Wagel.

Steve, could you go back to that chart you had? Um that top thing that uh whatever we call it on the picture. Oh, the car ports. Yeah. Is that is that allowed? That would be um not allowed. I mean, unless your your home is made of cloth. I mean, it's but yeah, those fabric kind of things. Okay. So, this isn't this isn't changing that.

Correct. We're looking at, you know, different styles of, you know, carports that may be out there. Um, and you know, some have are canvas, others are just, you know, metal structures. But the main thing is that if it's, you know, if it's over that 150 square ft, we're looking for consistency with the main building on the property and some design elements being uh brought in to be on that new structure. And are and how many accessory dwelling Well, they're not all dwelling units. Accessory buildings are allowed per lot. Uh, just one. Just one. So you for a single family home or a duplex home, you could have one accessory dwelling unit. So you could have a shed or a gazebo.

You could have a shed, a gazebo. Uh you could have an accessory dwelling unit. Um or you can only have one of those. Well, you could you could have Well, there's only one accessory dwelling unit dwelling unit allowed per property. Okay. However, you can have along with that, you could have a shed, you could have a gazebo. Uh there are certain setback requirements for each of those elements um or features on a lot. And then there's also a lot coverage per zoning district that you can't exceed. But I I I think I I know some houses that have three sheds, let's say. Is that allowed? Three different smalish sheds. Technically not. Technically not. But and and we're not going after that here or anything. We're not Okay. I was just we're not and we're not changing any of that.

Correct. Yeah. We're just we're we're clarifying some components of the existing code to I guess be a little bit more um upfront and you know as we're getting um more requests for carports uh the gazeos you know garages and sheds. We just want to make it hopefully a little bit easier to understand for the public. And a and a carport is a standalone piece. It could be attached to the main building. So, in other words, you could have an attached garage with maybe another shed roof coming off. We're we're considering that part of the main building, but in this case, the standalone uh detached structures are what, you know, we're we're regulating with.

Yeah. Okay. So, you so you could have a garage with a attached roof to keep the car parked underneath it and then still have another another shed or something. Correct. Yes. Thank you.

Thank you, Alderman Wagel. Any other questions from the council? Seeing none, do any members of the audience have questions or comments on public hearing number one? All right, seeing none, we will close our first public hearing and we will move on to item number two. And I'll ask the clerk to read that out. Final resolution authorizing public improvement concrete construction, concrete reconstruction and/or asphalt resurfacing and replacement of private side lead water service laterals in various locations and levying special assessments against benefited properties.

Thank you. And I'll turn it over to staff whenever you're ready. Hopefully the microphone works.

Good. Good evening everyone. My name is Melinda Dieski. I am the city engineer for West Dallas. With me tonight is uh Rob Hutter, who is the assistant city engineer for West Dallas. And we are uh conducting a public hearing on the 2026 street reconstruction for West Mitchell from South 56th Street to South 60th Street from South 78th Street to West from West Blo to West Arthur from South 88th Street from West Cleveland to uh West Montana. Another South 88th Street from West Maple to West Mitchell and South 72nd Street from West Washington to the north city limits. Again, here is our contact information. We'll have a slide at the end uh with our contact information. Again, uh the public hearing procedure. Uh generally what we do is we talk about the project. We talk about the scope of the project uh and the cost. Uh we discuss how the special assessment rates were calculated and the different payment methods. Uh we take comments and questions from the common council and the citizens that are affected. Uh then the public hearing is closed and the project is referred to the public works committee for discussion and a recommendation back to the council and then the council reconvenes and makes a final decision. Um if you have questions that are specific to your pro property um we can um we would be better off trying to address very specific questions on a onetoone or an individual basis. So, we would uh appreciate if you could uh reach out to the engineering department, Rob, myself um after the meeting and we can try to talk about those really specific details offline, but we can um talk certainly about um general questions and in a broader sense uh during the meeting here. So um when we do our street

reconstructions, we are trying to uh repair pavement and streets that have severe pavement deterioration, extensive cracking, uh similar as to what you see in the streets here. Um cracking, especially alligator cracking such as this indicates that there's a failure in the base and therefore we have to remove the entire pavement, not just resurface it. Um the and when we look at reconstruction projects, we also look at the sewer and the water underneath the street. We look at the sanitary sewers and the uh storm sewers and the water manes. So on these streets, the water manes range from the 1910s to the 1950s and we will replace those if there's been numerous breaks along there um or if they're in the 1910 era era. um the laterals, the uh water laterals to the properties. If you have a copper water lateral, we will not be replacing that. If you have a wa a lead lateral, um we will be replacing that. Uh the city portion from the curb stop to the main and the street will be done with the road project and is included in the cost of the project. the portion from the curb stop into your home is shown as as a special assessment on your on the estimate that we sent. Um the storm sewers, we're going we're going to redo the storm sewers on some of the streets and we will install a storm lateral to your property. Um and if you so choose, you can hook into that. Um new sanitary sewers on the streets will be done because many of these existing sewers are from the 1910s, 1920s. and when you'll get a new sanitary lateral uh to the property line. And then um just so everybody understands, the underground costs uh the costs for the underground utilities are paid for by the sanitary and the storm and the water utilities. So they're not part of the road special assessment. They're paid out of a

different fund. So this is a breakdown of how um uh street construction is funded in the city of West Dallas. As you can see, we have several funding sources here. Uh the orange is the citywide uh property taxes, which for these five streets is uh over a million dollars is coming from property taxes. The storm water utility is going to fund over $2 million. The water utility is going to fund $1.3 million. The safe drinking water fund loan is going to fund $280,000. That's uh where we get the money uh for the private side service lateral replacements um after uh the um that the special assessment doesn't cover. Uh the purple is the special assessments um which is um 689,000 $690,000 and then uh the sanitary sewer utility is going to fund $1.2 million. So we can we'll go through and we'll go street by street just so everybody gets an idea of how that breaks out per street. So for West Mitchell you can see there's a breakdown of uh roadways and driveways, sanitary sewer, storm sewer, water man service laterals and a total project cost for West Mitchell of uh 3.273,275,400 of for West Mitchell. The special assessments are $128,263 which is 4% of the total cost of Mitchell Street project. Um and just so everybody understands roadway and driveway includes uh the concrete or asphalt pavement. Um excavating the road uh the gravel that goes underneath the road, the curb and the gutter, the concrete curb and gutter, concrete sidewalk, um top soil and sod that goes between the sidewalk and the back of curb. If there's carriage walks, those

little car those little walkways that go from the back of curb to sidewalk, any traffic control, mobilization, and really any other items needed to build the street, the curb and gutter or the sidewalk. So, just so everybody understands what's included in that roadway and driveway uh item. So, for South 78th Street, um we have the same type of breakout. Um the total project cost there is $1,477,200. The special assessments for South 78 Street uh add up to $194,373 which is 13% of the total project cost. South 88th Street from Cleveland to Montana, that project cost is $333,000 and the special assessments uh to total is $48,212, which is 14% of that total project cost. And then uh on the other South 88th Street um from Maple to Mitchell um that total project cost is $545,000 with the special assessments um totaling 61,583,000 and which is 11% of the total project cost. And lastly, South 72nd Street, that total project cost is 1 million61 $164,800. The total special assessments for that project are $257,58 which is 22% of that project total. So in Wisconsin uh the state statutes allow municipalities to use special assessments to pay for infrastructure improvements. In West Dallas uh property owners have paid special uh street improvements benefiting their properties uh through special assessments. In the

past, it's been 100%. As you can clearly see from the past slides, it's not 100% anymore. Um, we use special assessments because special assessments are paid by all property owners in that district, including all the tax exempt properties such as schools, parks, churches, hospitals, and state fair park would is even assessed. Um, West Alis has approximately 400 tax exempt properties in the city that do not pay property tax. So by using the special assess assessment method um we ensure that everyone every property owner is treated equally throughout the city. For this uh group of projects the city will collect again approximately $689,939 in special assessments or 10% of the that the total project cost. Um, one thing to note that the special assessment rates are sent annually uh based on uh projected construction cost increases and that that rate is set independently of the bid prices for each project. So to go through just an example of what your special assessment bill how we calculated that um for the example here is for a residential property. Um, if your lot width was is 60 feet and we have we set the assess um residential assessment rate at $71.76 cents per lineal foot. That's front foot of your property. Um, it's uh just a math equation. That cost would be $4,3560. In addition, we charge for the driveway approach which is based on a square foot calculation which is $8.96 per square foot. Um and included uh in these in some of the bills this year um we have the uh lead service lateral $2,000 ch special assessment as well.

Bills uh we anticipate um the the final bills uh for the special assessments for these roads to be built out uh sometime after March of next year. Uh there are you can pay it in full once you receive that bill or there's a couple of payment options. A fiveyear or 10year installment plan. The installment plans do have a 4% interest. And so you can see the uh the range for the example up above. Your first year would be $63 uh payment and your last year would be $448 payment. Um just a note about the interest rate. the city has to borrow funds to construct these projects and we have to uh we borrow we use bonds to basically uh borrow for that and we have to uh hold that for 10 years. Um so the city passes along the interest charges to the property owners um that choose a five or a 10-year payment plan but we're not making a profit on it. That's just the our cost to hold th that that loan and that bond for that period of time. Uh so just an I a little bit about schedule. Um we have been designing the project here over the winter. The project will go to bid in uh April and um the uh and then in spring uh once the bids are in uh the city take will look at uh the lowest responsible bidder bring that to the council um to be awarded um and then depending on the project uh the work can start uh when the weather allows and then uh the construction happens over spring and summer and into the fall of 2026. It starts with the underground construction and then we do the street construction. The top soil and sod are the last part of that process. Um a lot of questions that we get asked uh during construction projects. What happens with the trash pickup? We co and

the engineering department coordinates that with the department of public works. Uh we work closely with them. And so when we get to that point where uh garbage collection is impacted, recycle collection is impacted, they'll put out a door hanger um for you and then you'll know what the schedule is and how what's going to happen with the garbage collection. Uh there will be parts of the time where parking isn't accessible on the street. So we uh will ask residents to park on adjacent streets. Um we work with the police department, so you don't need to obtain a permit for that. We give the police department a buffer area and they're aware so they will not ticket uh cars in those areas. um notifications for the construction. We send out uh through the mail uh cover letter giving uh more specific details about when it's uh the project's going to start, some uh timelines that we have from the contractor, who the city inspector is going to be on that project with a contact information so that you can um get in touch with the inspector. They are our boots on the ground. they are watching and inspecting and making sure that this project is constructed correctly and to the specifications. Um sometimes uh uh there's a short time frame to get notices out. Then what we do is we have the inspector put uh either door hangers or notices in the doors to try to get real-time information out. Um, as always, if you have specific questions about your property, um, whether it's your lateral lateral, your driveway approach, the special assessment, um, definitely contact the engineering department after tonight's meeting. We can certainly, uh, work any work through, uh, your questions. Um, one of the nice things we do have also is our construction in progress report. You can go to the city website and sign up for

that. Every week we uh put out Rob puts it out um uh a status on what the project is, where we are, things upcoming, uh things of note for that. And anybody can sign up for that. You don't have to live on the project, but like if you are visiting someone on the project, you can also sign up and get real time uh updates for that. And with that, we conclude our presentation.

Thanks very much. Are there any questions from the council on our second item tonight? Okay, seeing none, are there any questions from the audience on our second public hearing this evening? If there is, please approach the podium and turn on the microphone and then please give us your name and address before your comments. Uh, Chaz Rooney, uh, 1668 South 60th Street. So, um, these assessment, so we're not actually paying for the road. We're paying for what? I mean, what or are we paying a percentage for the road or you're the special assessment is for a portion, the front footage along the roadway. So, it's the road, the curb and gutter, and the sidewalk.

Okay. So, I I I can't speak for everybody in here because that'd be presumptuous. I just I I just wrote something just ideational or anything. just um just where so I'm going to use the me in this because that's all I can speak for is me. But um um I'd like you to reconsider its decision to uh because I'm getting charged 5 about $5,000 for a street and sidewalk repairs in front of my building. Uh the city's justification appears to be that I benefit the most from these improvements. Uh the conclusion does not reflect reality. The overwhelming majority of traffic and wear on this roadway comes from the general public, which includes semi-truckss, large delivery vehicles, commuters, emergency vehicles, and city equipment. The traffic passing my property in a single day exceeds what I would generate myself in decades. My personal use is negligible compared to the constant public and commercial use of this the street carries. In addition, the street city street the city's own tree planting has contributed significantly to this deterioration. The trees selected are far too big for the space and their roots have lifted and damaged sections of the sidewalk and street. The planting of these inappropriate trees was a city decision, not a private resident decision. I would also like clarification on the city's plan regarding these trees. Will they be removed entirely or will their root systems be cut during constructions? Damaging establishing root systems could weaken the trees, shorten their lifespan, or create safety risks, potentially placing my building and my surrounding property at risk. If replacements are planned, what assurance is there that more appropriate species will be selected to prevent the same problem from reoccurring? I'm also concerned about the uh the scale of the structure of this assessment. Uh the city repaired the 60th Street per perpendicular street because I'm right on 60th and Mitchell um just over a decade ago when I was charged approximately $900 which was added to my property tax and paid over 10 years. Um, I can kind of ask the city to explain

how payment is intended to be handled this time if my request is ignored and the assessment proceeds. Additionally, increase of 5,000 in such a short praises serious questions. This represents more than a five-fold increase in costs far exceeding typical inflation or cost of living changes. Uh, this also warrants kind of a better explanation and justification how it goes from 900 to 5,000 in a decade. Uh because my property sits along two major streets, this infrastructure functions primarily as a public thoroughfare, not a private benefit. Assigning the financial burden of maintaining heavily used public infrastructure to adjacent property owners is inequitable and inconsistent with the principle that public roads exist for public use. For these reasons, I respectfully request that you reconsider exactly how much you're charging the property owners.

Okay. Um, so the um the the the rates are set like I talked about um uh at we set them in the fall for the upcoming construction season. Um so those those have been set already. Um the special assessments do not cover the entire portion of the construction as you saw a a large share n 90% comes from other funding sources um and a large portion of that is property taxes. So we are capturing not only the general public use of the streets but um then the individual use of the street. Um, your question about the trees. Um, my Mitchell, I think all the trees are being removed.

The southside, the trees on the southside are being removed. There's a very large storm sewer in Mitchell and we need to reconstruct that. So, the trees on the south side are being removed and will be replanted. Uh, our forestry has come a long way in a number of years. there's um a much bigger diverse um species that we can do and plant that are engineered to be for small spaces and they and I'm I I don't remember off the top of my head if those on the south side will be replaced or not. Um when we cut them down, we will be removing the entire root structure or as much as we can get. Um the ones on the north side, uh we would try to save as many as we can, but I sitting right here. I don't remember uh if there are some that have to be removed or not. That would be something we could look at.

The two in front of my building have already destroyed actually city code for safety for like inclines and everything. They've lifted my sidewalk up so much. I've been kind of asking you guys to fix that for like the last six, seven years. and all they do is keep coming in with uh tar and black top and doing it, but it's not even up to code for the last six years. They took out some root systems uh on one of my curbs uh probably because it was interfering with the drain. They never replaced the curb. That was like four or five years ago. So, it just looked junky. So, I So, we're going to fix those problems with this. So, so these these two trees would probably have to be removed. And

I mean, they're lifting the sidewalk. That's an ongoing conversation with forestry. Okay. So that's something that we have to look at and we haven't got that nailed exactly down. Again, that's something probably that would be best discussed more on a onetoone type of thing. And then I could just make an appointment to engineering. Absolutely. Okay. And then is is it going to be a chance to go into the tax just put on the taxes like it was the last time or? Yes. Yes. So we just add it to our tax bills. Yeah, you can uh have select a five or 10 year payment plan and it'll be shown on your tax bill then. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions or comments on public hearing number two?

Sorry, Miss Johnson, can you turn your microphone on, please? Just push the button. Thank you. Okay. Uh Janet Johnson uh 2554 South 78th Street. Um 78th Street butts up to um McCarti Park and we're right by the playground. And my question is, are you planning on putting any type of a speed bump? One or two would be wonderful on that street uh because cars are flying through there and especially with the playground.

We we are looking at different traffic calming techniques. Maybe not a speed bump per se, but uh some bumpouts along there. And um we recognize uh that there are it's a weird it's kind of a weird street because like in the summer there's tons of cars on it and and that makes you go slower, right? Well, you would hope you would hope, but but in the winter it's a wide open street and it makes it even easier to speed. So, we certainly are looking at different traffic calming techniques. We've been considering more bumpouts rather than speed bumps, trying to narrow the street and create kind of this kind of you got to kind of weave in and out. It also might help delineate some parking better.

So, um those are the kinds of things we're looking for to uh create some traffic calming opportunities there. Okay. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Any other questions or comments? Uh Donald G, 2630 South 78 Street. Um I'd like to compliment Dan and Rod for getting back to me so quickly. Uh my question is this. Um my understanding is part of the sewer itself is damaged or collapsing. That's one of the reasons they're going in there to replace it. My question is there's a couple houses to the north of me and down at the end of the block and it's not got nothing to do with the 100red-year flood that we had. Some of these houses are getting back up from water from the sewer. Is that because of the sewer and is the sewer going to be bigger or something to something to alleviate that?

You're talking about the storm sewer? Yes. Okay. So generally and again I I don't h I don't necessarily know generally when we replace storms who are in the street we try to upsize it. So we try to build in more capacity if we have uh the space in the street because you have to have a certain amount of oil on top of storm sewer so that uh the road traffic doesn't impact the structure of the storm sewer. So if we have enough clearance in there, we do try to increase the size so there would be more capacity within that storm sewer um as to why individual properties are backing up. They should call us and we could do an investigation specific to that property.

Yes. And I think someone did come out and inspect the sewer a couple years ago. Okay. Because they gave me some kind of notice that they would do the lateral with some kind of inner lining if we needed it. So somebody was in there once before looking at that. Sure. That that sounds more like a sanitary sewer. We do have a lining program for the sanitary sewer. Um the sanitary sewers we typically don't increase the size unless um but uh you could be getting um

so san which we know it is the um lateral from the main to your home is probably what we call clay tile. They're short two piece two twoft pieces and they're what we call dry set. There's no mortar in there. They're just kind of shoved together and as the ground and the freezes and thaws over, you know, from 1910 or 1920 to now, it eventually kind of works its way apart. Yeah. Other things that happen. Um, if there's a rock adjacent to clay tile, clay tile is very very strong until it gets a crack and then it just falls apart, right?

And so a rock could have over time kind of worked its way against your clay tile and cracked it. So there's a number of reasons why it cracked, but with this project up to the property line, if there's any defect, we are going to replace that for you. Right. And I I haven't had a problem personally. I was just wondering why they some people two houses down got water up into their sewer. Is it got something to do with the main sewer that you're going to replace the drain line or whatever in the middle of the road or are you aware of that? I I'm not aware, but maybe our staff my staff is aware and again those people could reach out specifically to us. again if they're still having issues. Okay. But there's nothing in the engineering that says, "Hey, this was too small. It should have been increased."

No, no, no. If if it was if we found it was too small, we've done our analysis. We would upsize it. But I don't believe that's the case. I just don't want it to create a problem down the road that my basement starts to flood because now you did something to the main sewer line. No, I appreciate that. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Hi, I'm Jackie Wild. I live at 2610 South 78th Street. Um, I just Can you tell me again because I couldn't hear very well. When is this assessment due? We will send out a final bill uh after March of 2027.

Okay. So, if I were to pay it all at once, I could pay it after March of 2027. Yes. Okay. And we we you can't excuse me, you can't pay it until we actually send you a bill.

Okay. Um the other thing I just want to say that, you know, this all this costs a lot of money and um but for regular people, $3,900 all at once is pretty shocking, you know. So, I mean, um, and I'm not going to go into debt for a project that the city's doing. So, for me, for my own home, we have saved up for two years just to fix some electric electrical in our backyard and to get some lighting going back there because it was wired wrong. So, at least I'm glad that we have until March of 2027 to try to save up to pay for this. Um, it just seemed kind of crazy to me. So, and I really do appreciate you got back to me on email. I appreciate that. That did give me more perspective.

Okay, good. Good. I I also worry about I have an elderly neighbor. I mean, I don't know if she has $4,000 just sitting around, so that that does make me a little worried. That's all. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions from our audience on public hearing number two this evening? Okay, we will close our second public hearing and move on to item number three. We'll ask the clerk to read that out. Presentation by Third Space Brewing regarding proposal to host a beer garden at Liberty Heights Park.

Hello. Thank you for your time. Uh my name is Andy Gail. I am the uh co-founder and president of Third Space Brewing in Milwaukee. With me is uh Carl Olds, our event manager at Third Space Brewing. And we have uh a presentation here we'd like to uh to talk through. We're going to go over the presentation relatively quickly so we have time for your questions. Everyone has the presentation in front of you, so hopefully you can refer to the the details uh as you need them and and feel free to ask Carr and myself any questions that you have. Um, so we're going to hit on a couple topics here. Um, you know, the value to the community that a beer garden brings. Uh, some details on what we're actually proposing we do here with you in West Dallas. Uh, the role of the city in the beer garden we're proposing. Uh, how we will be giving back to the community and and talking about what this could build into in the future. So, I always like to start with the why. Um, and so we'll get into all the details of what we're actually proposing in a second, but why are we sitting here uh suggesting that you work with us on a new beer garden in your city? And the reason is that the beer gardens are are really powerful third spaces for for people in the community. And what is a third space? Sure, it's the name of our brewery, Third Space Brewing. But, uh, we named ourselves that because we like to deliver this third space experience for people. Uh so your first space is your home, your second space is your work, and your third space is that place you go to connect with the community, to have a good time, to kick back and relax and engage with with others. Um and so beer gardens are a great opportunity to create that third space within a community. Uh historically it goes back to our German heritage uh of beer gardens, you know, uh where that that local gathering space where the community came together uh in a casual setting in the community. Um they most people here probably been to one of our great beer gardens that exists around

the Milwaukee area and and if you have, you've seen the value they bring. So uh they provide that vibrant community gathering space. They are typically very familyfriendly. uh kids playing on the playground while parents visit with their neighbors uh meet new friends, connect with old friends. They bring awareness to the park in which they are in. A lot of times people forget about the great community parks and city parks that you have and and we're going to be talking specifically about Liberty Heights here, an amazing park that you've built here in West Alice. The beer garden will bring people into that park, remind them of the great amenities that you've built there and all that the park has to offer. Uh and it also will uh add some goodwill for the city uh providing an amazing amenity and generate some additional funds for the park and the community. So that's the why. Now why Third Space? Why why should you be talking to us about this? Um first of all, just introduction about who we are as a brewery. We are locally owned by myself uh and a gentleman by the name of Kevin Wright. Um we've been in operation for just under 10 years here in the Milwaukee area. Um we operate our main brewery and tap room location in Milwaukee uh in the Monomony River Valley and we also operate uh two other retail locations. One is uh a relatively new uh restaurant and tap room we open in Monomony Falls and the other is another beer garden that's very similar to what we're proposing here that is out in Elm Grove in the Elm Grove Village Park. We opened that in 2021. But uh we also distribute our beer uh across the state of Wisconsin and we are uh one of the top five producing craft breweries in our state. Uh we have a large customer base and social following, but I'm not going to get into those details. Um the main reason uh besides sort of our our history and who we are as a company is we have a proven track record of operating beer gardens like this. Uh as I mentioned, we operate

a beer garden in the Elmrove Village Park. Um, we've done that for the last five years. Uh, we started it very small, similar to what we're proposing to you tonight. Um, and we've grown it over time. We're open now 5 days a week in Elm Grove. And, uh, from May 1st through the end of October, so it's almost a six-month operation. Uh, and it has become, uh, one of the crown jewels there. People love it. Um, you'll see in your packet a few survey results um that um I'm not going to really dive into the the details of, but they've done some surveys in Elm Grove and people have have listed the Elmrove Beer Garden as one of the the top amenities that the village offers. Uh the number one used amenity uh or event in in the village and also the number two uh amenity in the park behind the walking paths. Uh and you have to walk on the paths to get to the beer garden. So, we'll take we'll take number two. Um, so we're really proud of that and what we've built there and we would like to build something like that with you here in West Alice as well. There's some other testimonials in here from some of the residents of Elm Grove and how much they've loved what we built there. Um, so Car and I and our team were talking uh over the last year or so about how we've done such a great job building this experience in Elm Grove. we want to take that to another community. And we started looking around uh for communities that we thought would be great partners that had great parks uh had walkable neighborhoods um and uh great park facilities and West Dallas is one of several communities that we identified uh and we reached out to the the staff of of the city and there was a lot of excitement on on their end as well. Uh Mayor Divine and I have talked over the years about how to get third spaced into West Dallas. Um, and uh, this is this is what we've come up with so far. But, um, so we've we centered on uh, Liberty Heights Park, which I'll get into in a little more detail in a minute, but mostly because of the great

amenities that we have in the park there, and also um, uh, the the the sort of the community feel that's around there, how walkable it is, and and it's just a great spot for what we're looking for. So, there were a couple pictures car just showed there of what we're doing in Elm Grove. Um and uh yeah, now I'll get into a little bit of the the details. So what is this? I told you why we want to do it. Well, what am I talking about here? We are talking about um opening in your park uh two days a week uh between basically through the months of June, July, and August this summer, Fridays and Saturday evenings. And it is a popup experience. We're not looking at building anything. Uh we would utilize uh some of the existing structures that are there, the beautiful new pavilion space and covered outdoor area at uh Liberty Heights Park. It would involve having a third space beer trailer on site that would store the beer and other items that we would be selling in the beer garden. Uh we would need access to power. Uh a small amount of storage that we've been working out with the city staff. Uh the ability to put up some signage in the park that would be approved by the city staff. uh to advertise the beer garden experience and then space in the park uh or thereabouts to um have food trucks and to set up uh small live musical acts like ACU acoustic guitarist for example. That's really what it comes down to. It's pretty simple. Um there are two different service models that we are investigating with the city staff. one, our preferred model is using that new pavilion space that's been built there and the concession window that was uh so well placed in there where we would serve from that kitchen out to the public from the building to the outside would allow us not have to take up a lot of space underneath the covered pavilion area. Um, it would require us to set up some refrigerators in the kitchen area to store and dispense beer and some of

the other products that I'll go over in a minute that we're going to uh propose to sell. Uh, and we would still need a refrigerated beer trailer on site even though we're not serving directly from it um uh to store that that backup uh product that we would need to sell um across a weekend. The alternative service model, if um the indoor area is not available, would be we could do a popup outside where we would serve directly from the beer trailer, we would need to set up a a few table bar sections and and just take out a little bit of space from that indoor seating area, that beautiful outdoor, sorry, outdoor covered seating area. We need to take up some of that for our service. So, we're working through this with staff, but we're really curious what city council has to say about our service models. Um couple more logistics. This is an old photo I think of the pavilion previously. Um so we'll talk about what we're sort of uh proposing here in terms of what the table configuration would look like and the service model. So preferred service model would have it serving out of the small kitchen that's in the pavilion building there. There's a large rentable pavilion space there for private events and things and community events that we would not be using if there's not an event going on. Uh we'd love for that to be available for beer garden patrons to use. Uh but we'd serve through the concession window that points out towards all the tables that are marked with a T. Um that's option one. Option two would have us setting up a service area in the bottom left corner there with the beer trailer positioned just outside of the covered pavilion space and then us taking up some space with our picnic tables. now and car has identified here where we would uh propose setting up picnic tables with a total of I believe it's 12 tables in the space um to service the guests that would be coming to enjoy the space. Now the idea behind the beer garden and we'll talk about the benefits

of Liberty Park Liberty Heights Park in a minute is the proximity to all the amenities you have in the park. So the beautiful thing about this space is that you have the playground just adjacent to that. Uh parents love to sit and have a beer while their kids play on the playground in clear view. Uh and uh they can continue to supervise their children as they play and that pavilion space is also centrally located so you have access to the volleyball courts, softball, baseball fields, and the other amenities there in the park. U I'm going to skip through some of these logistics here. Uh I hit on some of this, but the specifics of what we're proposing uh is uh some programming throughout the summer where we would like to invite food trucks out to so that people can have a bite to eat while they are enjoying a beer or other products. Um we would have those on most Fridays and Saturday nights. Um and we will obtain the required city permits for those food trucks. Um we would also invite live music acts, small acts. We're talking solo, duo, acts, a couple people with a guitar, uh, playing background music from 6:00 to 8:00 p.m. on most Fridays and Saturdays. We will obtain the the appropriate public entertainment licenses for that. And the products that we would like to sell on the alcoholic side, uh, we sell Third Space uh, beer that we're quite proud of. Uh we've also discussed with some of the uh already existing local uh West Dallas breweries about having a potential rotating West Dallas beer on tap. And then uh we would sell uh canned wine products, canned ready to drink cocktail products, uh canned hard seltzer, and uh we'd also propose selling a canned uh delta 9 hemp derived THC product that we make. Um and uh which is would fit into the non-alcoholic side. there's no alcohol in that drink. Uh and then we'd sell water, Gatorade, juice, and soda for those that wouldn't be drinking alcohol or for for the ch children. And then

some limited prepackaged snack items. We usually do uh you know, goldfish, crackers, or or popcorn or things like that if folks don't want to buy a meal from the food truck, but we the food truck there as well. Just a couple more photos what we're doing out in Elm Grove. Uh why Liberty Heights? Uh, as most of you know, beautiful park that you guys have invested quite a bit in. Uh, proximity to a great residential neighborhood, walkable, bikable for local residents. Um, proximity to the playground. The fact that that covered area is in view of that beautiful playground is fantastic, but it's not right on top of it. Uh, great park infrastructure with the indoor service area and ample power outlets for the beer trailer, musicians, other things that we're going to need. Um, and that beautiful indoor space. And I think we can also help activate by having the beer garden there and letting people know you have this amazing space that can be used for their community events. You have great park amenities there, beautiful playground, tennis, softball, volleyball uh spaces, open spaces, and then the great new pavilion. And then the covered seating area helps immensely with shade and shelter in case of poor weather. It's really a perfect park. And when we were identifying spots where this could happen, uh the logistics, the season and hours we're proposing for year one, and we hope this becomes a long-term relationship with the city of West Dallas would be operating from June 5th to August 29th on Fridays and Saturdays. Uh and we're proposing opening from 4:00 to 9:00 p.m. on Fridays, 3 to 9 pm on Saturdays. But we would like to grow this. The idea behind this is this is going to be a an ongoing community amenity that people know is always there. That that can be their third space they go to on a weekly basis. So, like I said, we've grown over the years in Elm Grove. Started just Fridays and Saturdays. We're now Wednesday through Sunday there because that's what the community asked for. Um, we want to start small though with West Dallas and let's prove it out and let's build it over time once we all see that it's

working. Um, what are we expecting out of the city of West Dallas? Promotional assistance. We would love for the city of West Dallas to help us promote the event. Um, you know, help us on social media, email blasts, direct mail campaigns, all the things you have available at your disposal. Um, and signage in the park. Uh, and we're looking for a partner that's excited to have us. We want to find a municipality that's saying, you know what, this is something valuable for our community. Um and this and we would love for third space to come in and help us build this for our residents. Um and then the minor things are really or sorry the the only real like you know act active things that the city has to do besides help us provide the space is garbage pickup. Um we will generate some trash in the park and some recycling. Um, and so, uh, assistance from the city in picking up garbage and but our team can help with cleanup, making sure the park looks great and, uh, cleaning the bathrooms, making sure that the residents have a great experience when they're there, whether they're for the beer garden or not. So, day daily cleaning of the bathrooms and stocking, which we've spoken to city staff about, and neither of these things seem to be uh, any kind of issue. Other things from the city, permitting and licensing. uh we would need your approval from the city council to set up as a brewery. The way we sell alcohol in a uh public space is we use our brewery license through the state of Wisconsin uh to set up a fullervice retail outlet permit. Uh we need approval from the city council to do that. Then we take that to the state department of revenue and then they approve it. We've done this before. Um and we would need your assistance to set that up. And then we have been working with the city on all the city permits that we need. We're aware of that. Um, so we'll just need you to help approve those. What are we giving to you? Um, besides creating a great amenity and a great new third space in West Dallas, one of West's great parks, we do want to contribute some revenue to the city directly and also to do some community giving models

that we've done in other uh places. Uh we're working with the uh city staff on a used fee structure that we'd be tiered so that there's a you know a base use fee and then uh some tiered uh ability for this the city and the community to earn more as we earn more over time uh or not over time but as we have better days and lesser days the fee would go up. Um and um also I don't think this is on a slide here but we have talked to the staff about the importance or maybe it's on the next slide but of of ideally segregating those funds directly for use either in the park or in that community of the Liberty Heights neighborhood uh to continue to build on the wish list for that area. And so we would love for the the the fees that we're paying in to directly be giving back to that immediate community. So that's something we're asking for. And then we also would do other things in terms of community giving. Uh we've done a program called community spotlight nights where we host a a different local nonprofit uh over different nights and we highlight the great work they're doing and donate donate a portion of our proceeds back to the nonprofit. I've already spoken to the Liberty Heights uh Park Neighborhood Association about having them as one of our first uh community giving nights and they're very excited about working with us on this program. Uh, and then just a reminder that at the end of the day, yes, the use fees are a great benefit um to add some additional revenue and to the park, but the reason to do this isn't the profit. It's to do it because you're providing an amazing amenity to your residents uh and creating an awesome new thing in their park. Building for the future, I mentioned at the beginning, we would like this to be a long-term partnership with the city of West Dallas. Uh we are looking for a three-year commitment from the city. Um, however, in talks with the city staff, we we've recognized the importance. This is the first time that you would be doing this with us. And so, we're willing to bake this into the contract and ability for the city to terminate

the contract uh if things just aren't going well after the first year, but we would love a long-term commitment on both sides. Um, so we can build on this. We will be sub investing in this substantially uh time and resources on our end. uh you know, just purchasing the the beer trailer itself is around a $35,000 investment um with no guarantee that we would have time to pay that off if we don't have it after the first year. Um and we will be sub investing substantial time uh from our staff and our marketing resources to build up this new amenity in the park. Um, city investments will be minimal. Uh, we'll include some staff time, uh, service of garbage bathrooms, some electricity, which will be minimal, and some reallocation of picnic tables to the park. I think we need to add maybe two additional tables that aren't in there to fit our requests. Um, and then some marketing resources to make sure the community is aware of this great new amenity that we'd be providing together. And that's all I have for you. I feel like I ran through it quickly, but there was a lot there. Uh, we would love to hear your questions. All right. Thanks for the presentation. Any questions from the council?

Mayor Mayor Dine, we'll start with the alder woman of the district. Go ahead, Aleroman. Okay. Thank you. Um, I was aware of your conversation, you know, with the neighborhood association. I think it's a really exciting proposal. I guess my only follow-up question, I know in the past um and we haven't been able to do this for a while because of the construction in the park that we had had um the lunches and dinners in the summer for uh students and kids in the neighborhood and whether or not that kitchenet would still be able to be used by the recck department or whoever is providing those lunches if that comes back to the park. Absolutely.

Okay. So like the fridges or things like that would have a separate lock or something like that so that other organizations could still use the kitchenet. Correct. Yes. Okay. Perfect. Uh that's my only question currently. Thank you. Mayor Dwine. Yeah. I think your microphone might have to reset. There we go. Okay. I heard Alderwoman Keen and then Gisham and then wrote um I see in here that you need six additional picnic tables. that was written. Are you looking for the city to provide those six additional tables?

Uh, yes. So, I believe in our talks with the city uh staff, there are some tables already in the park that could be moved closer to the proposed beer garden area. And I believe our math was that we would need two additional tables that aren't already in the park. Um, and so we're we're discussing with, you know, can those be reallocated from a separate park? And then with the um garbage and bathroom cleaning, who's responsible now to that maintains the bathrooms for Liberty Heights DPW?

And what is the do we know what the cleaning schedule is currently? Would this have to would they have to add an individual to be able to clean up on Saturday and now Sunday? And we're potentially paying overtime. I believe with the summer program they were there pretty regularly already. Okay. I'm not sure. I don't see Dave from public works here, but I'm sure it would be something that would be melded into the agreement.

Okay. Um that's just I like the concept. People who know me know I like beer. Um I have nothing against it. I think any type of community event is great. Um, I just want to make sure if we're looking to localize the funds to that area that DPW is paid for by all taxpayers and that it's not costing a tremendous burden on all taxpayers, but yet the additional is kind of going to that neighborhood, right? Like don't get me wrong, I don't live in the neighborhood. I'll go. Um, but that was just kind of one of my concerns. So, thank you. Thank you, Alderoman Gisham.

Thank you. Uh, yay. Beer garden. uh love the concept. However, um like Alderwoman Keane, I have some concerns about cost and what is expected on the the city side. One in particular, promotions usually isn't a problem, especially as we've been marketing our city so greatly. Um however, any direct mail campaigns would be a reason to pause for me. That would be additional cost. Um, also additionally is this this would be an exclusive contract with Hugh for use of the park, but yet you said food trucks would be invited to come in. Would you be uh getting a percentage like a third party booking if you're bringing in different food trucks and venues to the park?

Well, we don't charge we don't actually uh charge the food trucks. We we look at them as another amenity. We don't charge a percentage of their sales. Okay. And uh I think that's it. My other concern was the staff time as as Dana had said. I'm sorry. Parks and recreation. Oh yeah. Um this is outside of you. Um didn't we have a pitch by Parks and Recreation for Liberty Heights? Did that go anywhere? Yeah, it did. I believe that's happening. Yeah. Okay. And that doesn't entail any um customers? Well, that would be great. That would be great. So, but it didn't entail anything like food trucks, different productions or um events that they were going to have?

No. And I think you already have a partnership with that entity, correct Andy? Yeah, we've worked with them uh in Elm Grove as well and and other things at Third Space. They're they're excited about our existence, although my understanding is for this summer there would be no overlap. I think their programming is all earlier in the week. Yeah. But in the future, we'd love to work with them and my understanding is they don't they're not worried about it. They're excited about us being part of it. Fantastic. Thank you. That's all Alderman wrote. Uh thank you. Did I understand that your group is going to pick up all of the garbage and then put it in the garbage cans that our guys are going to be picking up?

Well, hopefully our residents are going to help us with that. But yes, we will. Our team will be doing sweeps to make sure that we're taking care of certainly all uh beer garden related trash, but they also do a good job of picking up whatever else they see. Um we will also empty the cans if they get full in the middle of the service because nobody wants overflowing garbage cans. We don't. That doesn't look good on us either. And then the city team would be, you know, removing the, you know, the waste after it's been removed. And then if the if the cans aren't full, they'll take care of that at the end of the day.

Thank you. Any other questions from the council? If not, are there any questions from the members of the audience on item number three? Good evening. My name is Slali Media Ramos and I'm a resident of Westales and also a business owner which will be very close to the park. We're very excited about the project. We fully support it. We think that bringing more to the neighborhood and to the area just helps create awareness and um builds community. So, we just wanted to give that statement. Thank you.

Thanks very much. Any other questions from the audience? Uh Neil Steffik, I just want to say I love I would love to see Third Space right here in West at the park. That'd be great. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Good evening. I'm Jean Hansen. I live at 974 South 57 Street. You paint a lovely picture of this wonderful community event. What are the plans uh for security in case somebody is enjoying themselves a little or a lot too much?

Yeah, it's a great question. It's a question we've got a lot when we were building the Elmrove beer garden as well. And this may not seem like uh a perfect answer to your question, but these beer gardens do not generate problems. Uh the the the people that are coming to these events are are families. People come for a beer, maybe two. This is not a rockus uh nightclub experience. Um it is a community event. However, um thankfully the you know the police substation is not far away. We would make sure to have all of the phone numbers we need of every uh city personnel that we might need if there is an issue. Uh I understand there are cameras throughout the park uh to handle you know surveillance if there are issues there and our staff is trained in you know how to deescalate you know situations and when issues arrive but really we have not seen issues in our beer garden experiences.

Thank you. Any other questions from the members of the audience on our third item this evening? All right, seeing none, we will close our third and final public hearing. Thank you very much. Thank you. And we will move on to uh section E, which is public participation. This is where the council may receive information from members of the public. Uh this is a 30-minute period on our agenda. Each speaker must again announce their name and address for our record and limit their comments to one statement of no more than five minutes. Uh please um real recognize that we cannot take action on topics raised. Anyone wish to address the council under public participation this evening.

Hello My name is Katie Wagner and uh sorry if I'm skipping the line here. So there's other people on this list, so I'm sorry if I'm skipping. Uh my address is 2174 South 69th Street, West Alice. And I'm here to give comment on the West Alice uh Police Department standard 2.2.8. Um so I'm a resident of West Dallas. I moved back to Wisconsin a couple years ago. I decided to move to West Dallas because I believed it to be a very downto- earthth community full of people who care about their neighbors, who work hard and want safe, perhaps rather quiet places for their families to live in peace. You know, the usual. Um, I believe in the principles to love our neighbors, to defend the due process rights of all persons and the rights of protection for the tacti from the tactics of ICE, including racial profiling, excessive force, warrantless arrests, and death, as the constitution states, of anyone in our community. But I've met many people in West Dallas who are scared of the illegal behavior of federal law enforcement. So, when I heard the police chief state how he wouldn't immediately render aid to residents should they be approached by illegal activity, I was very surprised and shocked and made me lose trust in our officials. Additionally, the chief's refusal to engage in discussions with our electeds and the public raises concerns about his responsibility to protect all community members. It made me also much more afraid to live in West Alice. It was like the bubble burst in my worldview. You see, I grew up in southeast Wisconsin believing that law enforcement was in our communities to serve and protect all of us. But the reality I am seeing is that is not the case. And I fear we are not able to

trust that our law enforcement will protect our neighborhoods, but will actually put us in more danger by agreeing to support and aid in federal law enforcement. Which do you think I should believe is the reality here? I'm deeply concerned that our law enforcement officers are asking for immigration status of anyone in West Dallas and especially during a traffic stop. This makes our communities less safe and violates the due process rights of all people contrary to what I grew up believing and it's a waste of our tax dollars. Public funds of West Alice should not be used for unlawful and unconstitutional immigration enforcement. I'm I'm requesting that the policies be amended to one that upholds the due process rights of all and the public safety. I'm requesting that West Alice Police Department does not contact ICE or any DHS agency unless they have a judicial warrant signed by by an immigration judge for a crime of a serious nature. And even then, I don't think they should be involved at all. Council members, I would invite your insight and request you to review these policies and ensure that all rights of West Dallas residents are realized and supported by those in our community are supported by those in our community with the most authority to make that happen. Would you be willing to talk more and hear from more folks who care about their neighbors? We want a policy that explicitly states that West Dallas police should not ask immigration status questions. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Anybody else wish to address the council under public participation this evening? All right. Seeing none, we will close public participation and moving to page two, item F. Our standing committees will be meeting during recess. Those room numbers are

listed on the top of page two of your agendas. If you are here for a um specific item, whether it's a permit or some business with the city, a license, please take a look at that. And if you are unsure which room number to go to when we break for recess, just ask any one of us and we will make sure we get you into the right spot. Excuse me. Moving to item G, the mayor's report. I just have um one quick thing as we come to the close of Black History Month. I know at the last meeting I had a um lapel pin of Marian Anderson which I talked about her. Well, tonight I am going to talk about my other lapel pin that I'm wearing which is Thood Marshall who I'm sure a lot of you are more familiar with than you were with Marian Anderson. Um as you may know he was the first African-American on the Supreme Court. He was a civil rights lawyer who used the courts to fight Jim Crow and dismantle segregation in the US Marshall. was a towering figure who became the nation's first black United States Supreme Court justice. He is best known for arguing the historic Brown versus Board of Education case in which the Supreme Court declared separate but equal unconstitutional in public schools. The civil rights lawyer turned Supreme Court justice made a significant impact on American society and culture. His mission was equal justice for all. Marshall used the power of the courts to fight racism and discrimination, tear down Jim Crow segregation, change the status quo, and make life better for the most vulnerable in our nation. So, as we move into March, I just want to once again wish everybody a happy Black History Month. That does conclude my mayor's report. Are there any reports from the older persons this evening?

Mayor Dan. Yes, woman Noling. Just want to remind folks and I will um have this out on social media starting tomorrow, but Alder Halverson and I are having office hours at Storykeepers Books the 26th from 6:00 to 7:30. Hope to see you all there. Thank you. Any other reports from the older persons? Mayor Divine. Alderman Hos. I move for approval of the minutes of the February 10th, 2026 common council meeting. Second. There's a motion and a second if there are no corrections or omissions. All in favor? I I.

Any opposed? Eyes have it. The minutes are approved. Standing committee reports. We have none. So, we will get to item K, our consent agenda. Mayor Divine. Alderman Hos. Uh, do any council members wish for separate action on any of the items contained in item K, our consent agenda? Then seeing none, I move for approval of item K, our consent agenda. Second. There's a motion and a second. All All my mind right now tells me to ask the clerk to call the role. Other person Keane I. Novak. I Noling. Hi. Ro. Hi. Turner. Hi. Wel. Hi. Gisham.

Hi. Ro. I Hus. Hi. Halverson. I 10 in favor, zero opposed. Motion carries. And Mayor Divine, Alderman Hos, I move that the common council stand in recess until the conclusion of our committee meetings. Second. There is a motion and a second. All in favor? I opposed. We are in recess.

I need a definite yes. Awesome. All right. Good evening. We will call the council back to order and I will ask the clerk to call the role. Aler person Keane here. Novak here. Noline here. Ro here. Turner here. Wigel here. Gisham here. Grove here. Hos here. Halverson here. 10 present. Okay. A quorum is present. Uh we will begin with the administration committee and I will ask the clerk to read out that report.

The administration committee recommends adoption of item 28. and the motion to allow the city attorney to act as directed in close session for item 29. Mayor Divine, I move in accordance with the committee report. Thank you, Alderman Wagel. Is there any discussion? If not, I will ask the clerk to call the role. Other person Keane, I Novak, I. Nolan, I Roach. I Turner. I Wel, I Gisham I Gro I Hass I Hverson I 10 in favor zero opposed. Motion carries. Thank you. We'll move on to the public works committee.

The public works committee recommends passing as amended of item 30 adoption of items 31 32 and 33. Mayor Divine I move in accordance with the committee report. Thank you. to alderman wrote. Is there any discussion on the public works committee? If not, I will ask the clerk to call the role. Alder person Keane. Hi. Novak. Hi. Noling. Hi. Roach. Hi. Turner. Hi. Wel. Hi. Gisham. Hi. Gro. Hi. H. Hi. Halverson. Hi. 10 in favor. Zero opposed.

Motion carries. Then we'll move on to the economic development committee. The Economic Development Committee recommends granting of item 34, granting of item 35 with amended hours to reflect state law, passing of item 36, and adoption of items 37 and 38. Mayor Divine, I move in accordance with the committee report. Thank you. Any discussion? If not, I will ask the clerk to call the role. Alder person Keane. Hi. Novak. I. Noling. Hi. Ro. Hi. Turner. I Wel I Gisham I Grow I H I Halverson I 10 in favor zero opposed.

Motion carries and then we have public safety. The public safety committee recommends dismissal of the summons and complaint against Haley Negrron for item 40. Mayor Divine. Uh may I explain the vote first? Sure.

Okay. Um, just so the council is aware, Haley Negrron was uh granted her class D operator's license uh some time back and one of the standard questions that we ask if there is any red flags on the uh driver's license is how did you get here? Uh, Alderman wrote typically does that. um because we have an opportunity to review cameras or otherwise and we really want our applicants to be honest uh regardless of what the answer would be. Um since Alderman RH has consistently done that, I decided as the chair that I'm going to point that out to our applicants each and every time that the reason we ask this question is because there are cameras. So, you get an opportunity to be honest if you weren't honest in the first place because we would take that into consideration. I value honesty. We need to value honesty on this council and when we're handing out licenses. Uh Mr. Gron uh admitted that she was not honest and we were able to hear that. Uh the vote uh went 3 to2. Uh, Alderman Hos had voted to dismiss the summoning complaint and uh, it was in favor 3 to2 with uh, Alderman Hos. Uh, alderman wrote and myself voted no to not dismiss which would in turn go to a hearing or subsequently into revocation status. Miss Negron would then have to wait 12 months to reapply. She currently works at uh, Studs Pub couple nights a week. Um, she gave a vi viable explanation why she wasn't truthful and it was kind of knee-jerk reaction. I'm willing to forgive that in some instances, but it's enough is enough with these applicants coming forward and and and taking that for granted that we're always going to just forgive and forget. Um, some lessons have to be learned the hard way,

I guess. So, that's all I have, but um, I make a motion to, uh, approve the public safety committee report. Thank you. So, the motion is to dismiss. Okay, just so everyone's okay. Mayor Divine, Alderman Wel. So, uh I vote would be to dismiss the summons complaint and allow her to keep her license. Any other Alderman House?

Yeah, Mayor Divine and yeah, Alderwoman Gisham explained the situation very well. I I would add to it um that part of what we have to decide as a council is um she was driving on a suspended license and she lied to it uh our committee about this and um she has acknowledged that she did lie. Um she has is working to get her license back. She uh presented documents showing that she's following the procedure now to get the interlock on her car. Uh she is moving in the right direction. That's significant to me. That shows rehabilitation in my mind. Uh that's my reasoning for uh for bringing the motion to dismiss and voting I in this situation to dismiss and allowing her to keep her license. I think she understands that you can't lie to a committee.

Thanks Alderman. May waggle. Um I guess not being on the committee was this her sole means of support? Is she supporting a family? I mean, were these all questions that came out or? Yes, those questions were asked. Go ahead. I'm sorry. And what were the answers? The answer is it's not her her uh primary job, but it's definitely a needed supplemental job to take care of these issues. She did admit, as Alderman Hos said, that this, you know, was a learning experience. It did put a fire up under her, quote unquote, to to address the issues that needed to be. Um, and that she has learned her lesson.

Okay. And when it said that she admitted that she lied, did she admit it? Was she confronted the that very first day or did this admission come afterwards after the It came after after staff had to review camera uh footage and uh summons and complaint was then issued after the fact. Okay. So it was not admitted there. Thank you. In fact, she denied it and then I gave her an opportunity by saying by the way this is why we asked. So she was called in for a second time. No, this this is the summons and complaint she was called in for tonight. Oh gosh. So, she was here tonight. Yeah, she's here right now in the audience. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Thanks, Madam Chair. That's me.

Oh, sorry. Darn good-look madam, aren't I? Marwoman Novak. Sorry, I'm lost. Okay, so I guess this is Sorry if this is for older woman Gersham, though. So, she was brought in, said no. The city went back, reviewed the tape, then you brought her back in, and she admitted. Correct. And then I did also, I just I believe I could address this. Um, she's working to get her license back and something with an interlock. Driver's license, not bartenders. Okay. Driver's license. Yeah.

Yeah. Sorry. Driver's license. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions? All right, Madam Clerk, you have something to say? Yeah, really quick. Excuse me. Alderwoman Grove has issues connecting. She can't get back in and just with a split vote, we might want to get every vote that can count. Joe's on it. So, she says she's back in and there's nobody there. Is she in the right? which we know is not accurate. Yeah. Is she in the recess meeting? Maybe.

Just for what it's worth. If Oh, there she is. Okay. There she is. For what it's worth, there she is. Oh, it says calling. Oh, she's There she is. Welcome back. Can you hear us? Did you, Elder Woman Grove, did you hear the discussion on item 40? The um

um I I did I I quick pulled up uh I had I had kind of the secondary, you know, YouTube thing going on. So, I can at least add this is completely me rabbit's fault. She pulled the plug on my laptop. Sorry, guys. Rabbits. It's like the dog ate your homework except it's a rabbit. Yeah. Okay. So, the motion is to dismiss the summons and complaint. Just to make sure you're on on lined up with this. So, a yes vote is to dismiss that. All right. Thank you. Yep. Thank you. All right, Madam Clerk. Let's do it. All right. Other person Keane I. Novak. No. Nolene. I. Roach. No Turner. I Wel,

no Gisham. No Grove. I H I Halverson I. Six in favor, four opposed. Motion carries. Right there. Mayor Divine. Alderman H. I move that we adjourn until our next scheduled meeting, March 10th, 2026. Second. We have a motion. We have a second. All in favor? All opposed? I. We're adjourned.