Planning Board - Regular Meeting

You hear me? Yes. Go ahead. Recording in progress. It's fine. Amy, can you hear us? Yes.

Okay. Good. Uh, good evening everybody. Welcome to the Franklin Planner Board. This is the February 9th, 2026 meeting. This meeting is audio and video recorded as well as on Zoom. Zoom call-in number is 312-626-66799 with a meeting number of 8798102 441. Uh just point of reference Amy is not feeling well. She's on Zoom tonight. Um so but we have Tyler here in her place and Steve from beta as well. Um we'll take uh general business at first. a few items to take care of. Um the first one was for future um zoning amendments. This is out of the MBTA um acceptances that the towns have to meet. I know um Amy's not feeling well. Marina wanted to be here tonight too to help uh give descriptions of the changes. They asked that we just um extend it to the continue to our next meeting. So Amy, I I'll keep it short, sweet for you. So you know, uh what what's your date for that one if if you want to give me one?

Um if we can just put it on February 23rd. We're looking at getting some amendments in front of the planning board um towards the end of March. So this is really just a general discussion. So okay, we can just move it to general business on the 23rd. Okay. So make a motion just to continue the zoning amendments to 223. Do I hear a second move? Second. All in favor? I I. Next item of business. This would be a road acceptance for uh Jay Victor Lane. Um Amy, if I could go to you real quick if you want to get brief description.

Sure. Um yeah, this is to accept the roadway. Um it would be a recommendation to the town council. um our town attorney still working with their attorney on the deeds and easements um for the roadway. So, this is a recommendation. Um right now, Matt U from Beta has been out there and provided a report. Um right now we're holding $18,969. We typically keep $1,000 until the roadway gets accepted and filed with the registry of deeds with town council. Cool. So, what you're looking at in front of you, um, voting on the final form H, voting to, um, for a recommendation to town council for street acceptance, and voting on a bond reduction or for full release, whatever the board prefers.

Okay. Thank you, Amy. Um, before I go to the board, I'll go to U Matt. Matt, you there? Yes, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Hi, Matt. Matt, if you want to give us a brief overview. I know you had a couple comments of outstanding things if you don't mind.

Sure. So, uh, this, uh, project has been substantially complete for quite some time now. Uh, there's just been a few lingering list type items, uh, that have been in on the reports. Uh, the most recent was done, uh, over the summer of 2025. Uh, really, it was just two items left, which included, uh, verifying that the removed rain gardens uh, did not impact the overall stormwater compliance. Uh it's my understand that the town engineer has reviewed that and is satisfied that the storm water is set. Uh and the last comment from Beta was just refreshing the rip wrap in the infiltration basin. Uh the owner of the job did send me uh some photos of that being completed. So as of now, Beta has no more comments and u all work is complete.

Okay, good. Thank you. Might hate to hit you real quick for Victor Lane. J Victor Lane. Um yeah, so they did um as Meta just mentioned, they did rean uh reanalyze the drainage study with the elimination of the rain gardens and um everything checked out on those. So we're all set with that and I believe they got everything else that was on beta's punch list. So we're satisfied with that. Um I have one question for you, Mike. I know when that one came through, I thought for some reason we had those drainage swells within the within the towns taken, did we not? So the main drainage basin, the detention basin is on a separate lot. Yeah. So we're going to be accepting that with the roadway when it gets to the town council.

Um and there's one, I believe there was one rain garden that was within the layout in that area, too. But there were I want to say three three or four maybe different rain gardens are on private properties that they never um they never held back an easement for those to make sure that uh they were maintained or anything like that. So the the homeowners eventually bought the properties. They never retained the own they retained the ownership themselves. So they just filled them in. There was no recourse to go back and make them put it in. So but they did everything they needed to do to verify that the system as it was built was a little bit oversized. So compensated for the loss. Thank you. And that'll all be in the as Yes, we have the asbuilts in the um street acceptance plans.

Before I go to the applicant first. Uh no, nothing for me, Mr. Chairman. Only questions answer none. N make a motion to approve um road acceptance for J V lane but to hold $1,000 um for the registry to borrow a second. Second. All in favor?

I Next item of business. This would be for an extension for 55 Constitution Boulevard. Uh if I could go to you, Amy, really quick.

Sure. The Yeah. the engineer representing the applicant submitted a letter um since they have not started the project to um request an an extension um of the certificate of bo vote. Um I know they requested one year. I don't see an issue giving them a two-year extension so they're not back here every year if that's the case. Um but it's for the site plan to construct two warehouses at 55 constitution. Okay. What's everybody's feeling? You want to go two years short?

Yeah. Based on the market, I think two is probably appropriate. Okay. Um Amy, so I'll make a motion we make the extension for 55 Constitution Boulevard for two years. I hear a second. Second. All in favor? I Okay, Amy. Yep, that's fine.

Oh, wait. Yeah. Uh, next item is this just be for meeting minutes from December 15, 2025 in January 12th, 2026. Uh, if anybody has any additions or deletions if not make a motion to approve and accept December 15, 2025 and January 12, 2016. All in favor? Hi I

this would be for 47 street done estates definitive subdivision but if I could go to Amy for brief review please.

Sure. Thank you Mr. Chairman. Um they've actually been continued the past couple meetings. did provide us with an extension on the decision until March 31st, 2026. Um, this is an eight lot subdivision at 47 Partridge Street. Um, they did submit revised plans which um, FedE and Mike have reviewed and can further discuss at tonight's meeting. Um I want to note that butter has submitted a letter um that is included in this packet u more or less kind of requesting some extra tree plantings and buffer uh along her property face uh fence has been added around the detention basin. The street lighting plan has been submitted um as well as the soil planting plan and environmental impact analysis and lighting plan. Those are a few of the items that um the board had requested at the last meeting. Um, that's about the comments I have right now.

Okay. Thank you. Um, before I go to Mike, just want to introduce the record, please. Sure. Rick with United Consultants.

Yeah. Yes.

Uh, yeah, sure. So, there were a few items that came in after we sent out this memo. Um, the lighting plan, the environmental impact report. Um, those being two items that needed to be reviewed. So, we haven't reviewed those. It It won't take long to review those, but we we we haven't looked at those yet. Um, as far as the responses to our first review letter. Um the majority of them have been um addressed. A lot a lot of them have been addressed. Um if you'd like there are a couple that um I've noted that I can I can say or

Yeah. Just to give us some

Yep. Sure. Um so uh comment G12 has to do with um the water the wet water quality swale is directly adjacent to the roadway. So there are some comments regarding um if it should be a road uh excuse me a guardrail with steel backing so it can be crashy. Um we also asked for a second detail showing the crosssection um with the road and the water quality swale um item um I3 regarding the the um survey being tied to three ties on the mass coordinate system. We didn't response to that. So, that one is still uh outstanding. Um item I4 is referring to site triangles at the entrance of the site. They were provided on the plans, but it appears that the there is some tree line in these triangles. So um we ask that they clarify the extent of the vegetation to be removed to provide that safe sight distance. Again I I had said that the end environmental analysis um report um we still need to review that. So that's an item. Again, the phototric plan and all

lighting details will be provided. Um, we had a concern about a couple of the the drainage pipes on site are designed at 0.004 or 0.0 um 040 percent. Um, that would be enough for like a selfcleing pipe for velocity. However, it doesn't leave a lot of room for the contractor to install it. It's a very um shallow pipe. So, we asked if they could evaluate providing a steeper slope. Um, um, we had made a comment about how the detention basin was a little too close to the Watt lines. They had revised the plans and they provided um the proper setback for the pond um elevation. The maximum pond elevation has to be 20 ft off the property line. It appears that the toe of the slope um is still encroaching on the setback which is 10 ft. Um so they we just ask that they re re-evaluate that. We asked for rip wrap sizing calculations at the uh outfalls and they did provide rip wrap sizing calculations. It was um for the diameter of the of the stone which is a valid calculation. However, we were also looking for the the upstream width down steering width and the length of the rip wrap. So we just asked for additional calculations on that. TSS. And then we had a final we had a final

comment regarding uh the head wall and the emergency spillway are in the same location. We recommended that they revise it so that they're independent. They're not on top of each other. Um but that was our final comment. Um, so all of those were the outstanding comments that we noted. I can answer any questions if you need. Before I go to anybody, please.

Sure, Mr. Chairman. So, I did um review the plans, the latest submission, and I didn't get a comment letter to Amy in time to get to you you folks, but I do um I did submit it out. I think it was on Friday, so um you should eventually next meeting. But just some uh general comments real quick. Um like I mentioned before the last meeting that we'll need to go to the town council for water and sew map amendments to extend the water and sew mains um on the subdivision. Um just um any proposed guide rail that'll be in the public way should meet mass DOT standards. Like you proposed a wood wooden guide rail there. We just want to see the standard mass DOT once it's a maintenance thing long term and make sure standard for crashiness as Stephen mentioned and u they they did notice there's a proposed retaining wall around the uh detention basin on a section of it and we just want to make sure see typical wall details um identifying how high that wall is going to be. It was kind of hard to tell with the two other comments that didn't I didn't make it in my memo, but I did notice after the fact was any proposed residential uh driveway lighting should be on the private law. It's not within the proposed public rightway. Want to make sure those stay private. And then um in reference to the um the uh swale at the end at the beginning of the proposed roadway down by Padrick Street. Um that can be access for maintenance from Padrick Street, but there is a proposed guardrail there. So we would like to see some kind of easement on the back side of that for additional access so we don't have to anytime that needs to be maintained in the future don't need to pull the guard rail. So just see additional access for that. And then one other thing I added to uh this particular con was um in over the past few years we've uh for DBW we've been kind of standardizing on any wheelchair ramps that are public rightways. We've been using the cast iron detectable warning panels getting away from plastic. They're more durable. They last longer. Um I'm just adding the comment that we'd like to see any uh wheelchair ramps that will be in the public right away have those cast.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um piggybacking on what Stephen had said, uh the vegetation, it looks like only a portion of it. Is the vegetation if you're looking east?

Yes. Would be right to the right angle. from the plan, it looks like the majority of that visitation is actually on the neighboring lot. So, I don't know how much you guys could actually cut back. Um, just something to think about there. Um, and then I did want to just highlight, uh, Amy did mention it, but the letter that we received from, uh, Miss McConnell who's at 19 Partridge, just looking for screening, sound barriers between her lot and the two lots, lot one and lot two, uh, just to help with some of the, uh, the noise reduction as you guys work through construction and then obviously post construction when the end user buys these lots, it moves forward. Um, other than that, that those were my primary concerns. I want to talk a little bit more about the guardrail because I want to make sure we're doing the right thing here. So, there's another one up the road and it looks like I'm going to assume it's a tangent end. I think that's probably the way to go here because I don't think the flare work.

I don't know. I prefer flared end guardrails. I just don't like the concept of hitting the attenuator at the end of the tangent end,

but I don't think a flared end is good to go here. If you can if you can make a flared end work, great, but that's about all I really have of that. I mean, I think the rest of it no comments and Yeah, the I just picking up on a theme that I brought up at the first hearing on this regarding the flood plane. Um noticing that some of the proposed basin within the 100red-year flood plane. Um that might be in the environmental report that Beta is still set to review, but I didn't know if there's any comments about that. uh the mitigation associated to that, the functionality of the proposed basin recognizing if it is in a worst event and there is flooding uh at that level, any sort of information on that would be helpful.

That's it. No, nothing for me.

I just had a couple questions um before I go to the audience. on lot five on sheet 12 11 that sewer main runs rather close to the proposed foundation I know that was kind of neat rather close proximity to to the new foundation so you could take a peek at that and lot eight the first lot on the right on the way Is there enough sight distance right on the edge of street pretty close to the street?

But that's all I have. Rick, if you want to do a quick review of it, sounds like you can wrap up all those things, but want to just hit up on a few.

Yeah. So, um, we did have an opportunity to go through Steve's letter over the weekend. Um, and we did have an opportunity to talk to Mike today to follow up on his letter. He was gracious enough to send it along to us. Don't really see many issues in either one. Some cleanup as you mentioned. Um the environmental consultant for the project is preparing and ready to file the notice of intent tomorrow, I'm told, um with the conservation commission that will address some of the flood plane issues with the conservation commission. Uh but to address your concerns, we do have a compensatory uh flood storage created on the property to mitigate for the proposed filling that's being done uh that exceeds the filling. So there's actually the flood storage capacity will be created on the lot for the project that exceeds the the filling that's proposed. Um so you know there were a couple things um that we wanted to discuss um with respect to the beta letter with the board. Um we do have some fills for the proposed roadway that tie together with the drain pipes. Um the fills are in the vicinity of 5 to six feet at a maximum height. your regulations have a provision of five foot discretion of the board is allowed to allow that to increase. We can certainly look at increasing that fill which would then create the raising of the pipes and create more slope. So we're we're trying to balance those things out. There was some comments from Beta that maybe a waiver would be appropriate for that. We don't think that's necessary but again we we leave that up to the board if you know we have the ability to raise the elevation of the road to create additional cover over the pipes which is another waiver or to increase the slope of the pipe. Um you know we have looked at the velocities of the pipe. We do feel that the flushing velocity would be there and we do agree from a construction standpoint it's a

challenge but with lasers and other you know abilities that contractors have it is doable. So we just were hoping to get some feedback from from the board on that. Me personally is using a different class pipe.

We have class five pipe. We might have it just at a right. If we pick it up to you, say double the slope and gain a foot depth. We have to pick the road up. So now we're going from five to six feet to fill the six to, you know, tot I'm trying to buy like everywhere but you also like constructibility challenge Mike's going to correct

that's before we go back to the drawing board. We just wanted to get some input from the board itself.

Okay. And then everything else make sure that's Think you'll be able to clean everything up the next week and

Yeah. While we're waiting on that, Rick, just real quick on the vegetation thing, if um it's possible to see a vegetation plan, kind of what you might propose, that'd be helpful. Yeah, we can look at that. I mean, we did look at there's, you know, distance of about 320 ft from the existing house in question to the roadway about 220 or so feet. There is along that note. Okay, we can look at an evergreen. Okay, some evergreen plantings along that what's that

quick growing evergreen they're resistant I'm told quite a few there you know so that's the other challenge ever put a little fencing around for the time all right so I make a motion to continue done in the states February 23rd. Second. Second. All in favor? I.

Thank you. And next item of business. This would be for uh Symphony Drive Tang Estates 2 private subdivision. You're looking to be continued. Uh Amy uh particular date by any chance? Um, February 23rd. February 23rd. Make a motion to continue drive 2 till 223. Second. Second. All in favor?

Yes. Last line of business. This will be for 70 Daniel Street uh Gillow Estates private definitive subdivision plan two lots. Uh make a motion to wave the reading. Do I hear a second? Second. All in favor? I

I Feel free. Get her away. Check it out. Good evening everybody. I'm Bruce Wilson. We're principal with GW Site Solutions. With me tonight is Dan Gillo Jr. third generation grills in town here. Um, and we're looking to bring Danny and his family back into town. Danny has a plumbing business down off of Union Street and we're looking to bring Danny and Danny's mother into this property um, and do like a little family complex. We're going to be proposing before the

board a private way with quite a few waiverss where it's more of a driveway than it would be a roadway. Um the property consists of three three parcels. It's parcel A, parcel C, and parcel B. Parcel A at one point was broken off and lot was created. Jeff is here. Jeff is the current owner. I had done the work Watkins, you know, few few years back, I think 1996 when lot one was created. Um, what we're going to do is combine the three pieces together. creating black two with the existing being number 70 and then black three which would be a large piece here that property broken up is just there and then there's white piece that's here that we're going to be developing is open Not a lot of trees and stuff are going to be disturbed. You can see the tree line is out here. There are a few trees that we come up when we bring the road in here. So we're not asking for shredd east oak street this year and some public states. There is silver and water in the street

here. However, with the length of road where Danny wants to put his house, we're actually going to do private wealth and private sector on it. Keep the cost down. It is expensive to take on the property with just one house where it's going to be his make it affordable so we can get back. The property for the most part pitches away from Daniel Street. So we'll have about a 3% grade at the intersection with Daniel Street and a little small in the air and 6% down to where the color sack is and then it'll level out again. Um will mimic the existing grade that's out there. So we won't have to do any removal or anything like that. Off the top of the sub stock pilot and then bring in a foot of road gravel in order to get us good base the roadways here. We're asking that the board wave this 26 foot wave road width down to 20 ft where it's just accessing the one house here. So we do 20 ft of payment without any without any for drainage there. We're asking that we do a country swale down one side of the drive the driveway roadway and drop it into a small detention bas the bond onto the property own individual fort where J's going to own

and maintain the roadway. and the detention bas all of the functions and stuff maintenance. You can see as I was talking about it comes in fairly flat. The street is there on the left side. So we super elevate the road left. There are overhead poles in the street here. We would put a street section that go underground electric onto the property. So we're not asking for that. I think it's best any maintain overhead and have something happen especially with all our crazy snow we're getting out it's been good indicator a lot of people in the state still um pretty straightforward the property currently is under 63B Um he intends to try to keep the 63B with some small adjustments where it's within the family 10 to um we're probably going to look at cutting off and maintaining the open space.

You can see the tree line is here and all the work is all going to be east of the tree line. We will probably put a line across here and then all this area will remain in chapter 63.

I don't know any We need the trees so we can breathe and everything else.

Does the board have any questions? Well, I'll go through I'll go through Mike and everybody but I will go through.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um so this is private two lot subdivision um filed on January 16, 2026. So they'll have um the board has 145 days surrendered decision unless the applicant provides an extension. Um they listed nine waivers but there are actually eight. One was a duplicate. Um I have suggested an additional waiver that would bring them back up to nine waivers so the board can review if they agree. Fire has reviewed and provided a letter. Um, and Beta provided kind of a general overview. I know they need to go in a little bit more time. Um, and Mike, as he said earlier, he did provide a letter, but it didn't make the packets.

Thank you.

Sure, Mr. Ch.

Um, so the new roadway being proposed to remain private. Um if approved, we recommend that it should be noted in the decision of the new roadways to remain private in per perpetuity and all future maintenance and repairs including snow removal shall be responsibility of the homeowners. Um the um the new the private roadway under plans is being shown as uh being named as East Oak way. The town clerk does um approve street names, but um I just wanted to note that where is this just a single house um if it is approved, the TBW is an address for it, it's going to remain a Daniel Street address because the numbers are available through there just to avoid excess in town. Um and then just a couple of comments on the storm report. Um the proposed conditions in the narrative had just um described the project as a two-story warehouse. It look like maybe some cut and paste from a different project. want to make sure you go back and clarify that. Make sure that everything else matches up. And then the pre versus pro uh post runoff analysis, it appears to be uh project appears to create just a slight increase in the amount of runoff volume coming off the site. Nothing too much, but it might be something they might be able to tweak just to gain a little more storage. Um and then in the analysis um oh in the analysis you also should describe how it uh how it's the project meets a town storm water bylaw section 15316 something pass couple years ago just another standard town standard

I I was on this one as well if you could af overview as well please.

Sure. Um so we provided a brief memorandum on February 4th. Um at this time we wanted to provide some kind of review. We weren't going to have time to review the whole thing. Um so there were five items as part of that um memo. Um the first being a waiver has been requested to exclude the installation of curbing. Um we would defer to the board as to whether or not um curbing would be required at the entrance radius for the sidewalk for the driveway, excuse me. Um we made a note that the existing grains at 70 Daniel Street, which is lot two, will continue to be accessed through. So, they have a 20 foot right of way onto Daniel Street. Um, and in in the bylaw, it states that the frontage has to be where the site is accessed from. So, we call on the zoning compliance officer to kind of weigh in on whether or not um to confirm frontage requirements if they're being met um with the or if they're being met to the extent applicable. Um we request additional information to confirm this adequate uh sight distance. um where the new roadway will intersect at Daniel Street. Um their binder course, they call for a one and a half inch binder course where two and a half is required. I'll note that in our um letter we say 2 in that

was um minor typo. It's actually two and a half inches. So, and then as Mike had said, it appears that the d report provided. Um there there were a couple references to uh an old job um in the throughout the report. So we just asked for them to look that over and to correct it. And again, we'll have a an updated full review by the end of the week. I would say prior to the end of the week for sure. So thank you. Thank you.

You're welcome. Thank you, Mr. Okay. So, I I really only have two comments on this. Um, personally, I would put two inches of binder down. Yeah. I think you're bumping up against it there. No, no, no. That's that's fine. A lot of times we'll grab details from previous jobs and the last time we did it had inch and a half inch and a half. Yeah, that's an easy fix. Yeah, you're really pushing up. That's like the absolute minimum with a 125. So, I mean, do what you want. traffic. No, I don't. It won't have a lot of traffic either. Dan barely out the door and comes in and late.

It's just hard to put it down that thin. Um, and then the other one is if we could just And I'm not sure how we've done this in the past. I guess I'm Mike on this. Do we for the storm water stuff, does that get filed with the registry? Is that like the maintenance of that put on the deed? Is that almost like how do we handle that? Not there's not going to be like a homeowners association here. The town's not going to maintain that through the chair. I I'm not 100% sure. But was this something that needs to go through com with any buffers? There's there's no concomin any buffers. Okay. No, I just didn't know because sometimes if it goes through concom then it gets recorded as part of that.

In this case association but it's yeah it does not one person. Yeah. So that's what I'm see is it just gets reported somehow. I it normally doesn't get reported as far as DPW goes. We don't require he's working with attorney um Cornetta. Maybe Richie might have a thought on that. Yeah. It being recorded by a conservation. Is there just a way to record that as part of our process? So actually yeah. So I believe the subdivision would get recorded as part of the process. So once if and it does get approved the subdivision itself gets recorded at the registry. So it would be on record. Yeah, the storm water. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It would be shown on the plans in reference.

Yeah. I mean, typically you come up with a list of approvals that we generally you put that on the plan and that gets recorded with that.

Um, the only thing I I don't have a problem with not providing curving at the end of the drive. It's along basically a driveway. Every every driveway on that street has has no I'm okay with that. That would be my only comment.

Yeah. Two two lines of question, maybe two, maybe three. Um 61B then. So can you explain again what is currently underneath 61B and what sort of changes are that you're proposing to it? We aren't planning on changing anything with the 61B other than the ownership. Um, we're bringing a family member into the other lot. That's that's an allowed use and allowed change to the 61B processes there. The 61B is an open space type of restriction to get some tax break. Um, and we're going to be leaving more than enough in order to qualify as open space. Um, you know, we'll put on the plan once we, you know, I know exactly, you know, what he wants to to do with the lot if he wants to do a a garage or line for his tractor or whatever.

Okay. I think I think what I'm trying to figure out is like where is the current easement line for? Is the whole property in it? Yeah, I believe the whole property is because it's just a minus the existing house. It's just the the house in the barn is there. Okay.

Yeah. Okay. I mean Jeff is somewhat familiar with the property being a neighbor. Yeah, that's why I think I was I wasn't gonna have him come tonight because it's more of an introduction. Yeah,

I don't know if he likes seeing us, but sure he does. Um, any more? Yeah, a little. Just a few more. Um, so where where I'm going with that is I'm just trying This is a beautiful lot. It's got It's amazing. I hope this works out for you. Um, and what I'm trying to do is to understand the protection of the remaining portion. If this portion of land is being developed by you, you know, what in the future is going to limit other additional development on this lot? That's where I'm wanting to get a little bit more greater comfort level on. You just want to just come up to the mic and introduce yourself for the record, please.

So, Jeff Livingstone, 68 Daniels. I'm about uh so I've been at 68 Daniels for about 15 years or so, more than that. Um during that time there have been two proposals to develop the land that is behind Melanie's place, my place and others adjoining property. At one time it was like 16 houses. Um each time uh uh the project ran into serious conservation issues. There's a great deal of wetlands uh behind those behind the existing houses and they're all over the place. It's not it's not clean. It's not like a clean line. It's like all over BVWs, all sorts of things, vernal pools. So, it's was not easy to build houses lots. You'd be like Swiss cheese all over the place. Because of that, both times those projects were denied. They never could figure it out. So with a one house that makes it easy. You don't have that problem. I just wanted to point out that that there is that history with this trying to develop this property and back.

Thank you. Um the other question I had to was it was mentioned that this private road would be servicing two houses. Um I know the existing house there which will now if approved would be lot B. Is it the intent to keep the existing 20 foot right of way off of Daniel Street to service that property or to have some sort of curb cut on the new private road in order to access that property?

I mean, currently the the driveway and garage and everything are off of the off of the existing existing way there. There's a garage front entry that enty home uh maybe sometime down the road. I mean, his mother's there, will probably be there the remainder of her life. Um, and there's no no project until something happens much later whether they would keep that house or put something a little more elaborate on the property. Um, but it doesn't make sense to try to come in off of the new roadway um, and then drive all the way around the house to access the garage. So, that they would probably continue to use that driveway. I mean, we can provide a a driveway opening for future use off of there, but right now we, you know, we'd still like to be able to access with the existing drive that's there.

So again, Jeff Livingston, 68 Daniels. Um, so the easements cross my property. It's part of the property written into the deed in my deed. Um, I did ask Dan about about it because originally, just again just to give you guys some uh uh context. Um, when I bought the property from the um the u uh water the irrigation guy, he originally had had plans built to knock down the old 1950s cinder block garage and build a twocar garage, a modern two-car garage. Um, but to do that, you're kind of like in that buffer area where you you want you need the setback and you're you're be you're in in that setback. So I asked Dan, you know, hey, you know, are you going to come in through the back road? He said, well, not does make any sense because my mom would be using that as a driveway that's existing, which I agree with. That does make sense. So, all I asked Dan was, you know, at some point in time, you know, if you decide you're not going to use that, I'd like to talk to you about making that not an easement such that I could actually put the garage on. So, I just want you guys to know we've had those those open communication. And thank you, Dan, for being the mine. Um,

yeah, Dan mentioned that to me. So, I I did the work property prior. Oh, you did? Oh, I didn't know that. Okay. I mean, I just I just plan and then I did the septic upgrade. So I have all your data still. Let me just say so I pulled it up and look at it. Well, at the PNS they showed me the plans but they never gave them to me. Right. So I never got them. So I just I mean so I know they exist, right? But I I think there's room enough to get a second you want to put a second bay. Well, just because it's a I mean it's it's like I mean you're both for like it's really narrow. It's really small. So yeah. I mean, if that was possible,

I I believe if you were to add another 12 feet to the garage that's there, okay, you would get about 32 foot setback from the property. Okay. I think there's room front entry right now. You don't have to worry about access from All right. Okay. But but just I get for you guys know, no problem at all, you know, leaving the easement, letting the mom have the that that makes total sense to me. Just so you guys know. Okay. I was going to defer to building commission for the Yeah, just one final question. Um, and it's more of a clarification and sorry if I miss this, but you I saw that you were seeking a waiver to allow a T-turn rather than a 45 radius.

Correct. Um, and and maybe it's me just coming up to speed on on terminologies, too, but when I look at the site plan, I don't necessarily see a T radius being sought there. I see a it's a a radius. It's on one of the Yeah, it's on the That's the right fire department. I saw that already looked at it, so he gave his thumbs up. We we had gone to the the the peer review prior to and and and spoke with the the fire marshall at that point. Yeah, Joe wrote it with us. We had

I I had a zoom in there. Thank you very much everybody. No worries. Will any comments question? Yeah, I don't I don't envy plowing out that 20 foot slope that you got. Um

but no, it looks it looks good. Um the T I was I was looking at the it's not a T, but the hammerhead angle. I was looking at that and what the first thing I thought was that there would be room for additional units that could come in that would use that as as a as an entry point. I do like that where the house is set, it kind of cuts off that woodland from ever being a neighborhood. Like I don't know how you would access that. So I do I do like that. That's probably it for me. I mean at some point you may want to do a little barn there. So we may push the tree line back. I don't know 15 20 feet.

Sure. But you we'll establish a 61B line and stay stay clear of it. He he likes the privacy too. So yeah, everybody hit for the most part what I was going to bring up. The only thing I was going to bring up would be um I would definitely like to see some cribing at the throat coming in, especially on the downhill slope, you're going to get a lot of erosion. So I would definitely put that. And I guess my second question is the drainage swell. How close is that to the neighbor's property and their house? I don't I just want to make sure that doesn't flow over and and dump into the neighbor's yard.

Yeah. No, I I mean it's probably about five or six feet from the property line. There's a a stone wall that's here. Um it's a pretty good slope. A pretty good slope that you drop. I've got to check the every so often in the swale that would help take out any of the the run the the velocity. Okay. I because I didn't on the other side. That's all. I'm looking at it from above, Craig, and it looks like where the swale would be is it's not really near the neighbor's house. It's far enough back that cuz that drops off probably 12. That's a 15t drop from Daniel Street down to the bottom of that hole above. So,

pretty good elevation drop. the further we go in um it it falling away from the property line, but you you can see that the neighboring house is way over here and then it's a big open field to about where the pond is. Yeah. I'm just making sure there's no erosion going into the property. That's all. Okay. We have one more question.

Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um just because it was brought up, I'll I'll state that I'm not in support of the uh adding a curb cut to the driveway. It's just like you said, you don't know what you're going to do in the future, so it's not worth doing now. They redo and undo something in the future. So, I wouldn't recommend that on the uh to access the number 70. Um the other thing too, just to Eric's point, maybe to help out a little bit more, the 61B sounds great for now. Uh but if you in perpetuity wanted to prevent development, the conservation easement would be the way to go because you don't have to do anything. You can just kind of subdivide that parcel off and then sell it as a conservation easement. It can never get touched. Gotcha. Okay. Thank you. It's always good. Oh, yeah. Good point. Nice.

Does that um Yes, sir. I had done a conservation easement over at the property of Budding Joe's Rock and Retham for Billy Jerf. Um the commission there wanted u an agency to monitor that. But if he does a conservation e is that something it's for the state. Okay. Yeah. It's usually a state like uh the D or the U Department of Environmental Management. Yep. They'll take care of it. Okay. Y we we'd end up doing a he did bees so he could sell honey in order to, you know, cut down. Yep.

But it's different from the conservation commission in Franklin. It's a the state conservation east. So it's a little different from that. Yeah. I know they I mean they all have their own little rules. Yeah. Okay. So Amy Yes. So we have um February 23rd in two weeks. So I mean anything we have to be do this Friday otherwise you're looking at March 9th. Want to go into beginning of March because Beta still has to review. Mike has to review. They got some adjustments. So, what do you think? I think March 9th probably better

and then they'll have a little bit more time to get everything that'll give us away time to square everything away. Okay. Anybody in Zoom land? I I don't see any hands raised. Good. All right. So, I'll make a motion to continue 70 Daniel Street Estates till March 9th. Do I hear a second? Second. All in favor? I I Thank you. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Amy. Anything else? I don't have anything else tonight. Okay. I hope you feel better. Thank you. Make a motion to close the second. Motion to adjurnn. I mean,

second favor. I inside.