City Commission - Regular Meeting

Nashville.

Good morning everyone. It's uh welcome. It's time to call the city of Franklin City Commission to order. This is a regular meeting and uh at this point in time, I will ask Commissioner Powell to open us up with a word of prayer. Yes. Let us pray. Heavenly Father, thank you Lord for all the blessings you bestow upon us each and every day. Lord, we just ask you to bless the ones that are in presence here, the ones that are under the sound of my voice. Uh we pray, Lord, for the ceasefire in Gaza that that has turned into a wonderful thing. We pray for the the Curry Davis family and their loss. Pray for the Fory family. They have a serious illness. And pray for Scott's dad for continuous recovery. Lord, we just pray for all the ones that are sick, the shut in, the ones that are hurting. We pray, Lord, for this shutdown that'll soon be over government where people are hurting from loss of paychecks. Lord, we now ask you to come into this meeting. Guide our hearts and our minds as we make decisions that are pleasing in your sight and pleasing to the citizens of Franklin. In Jesus name I pray. Amen. Thank you, Commissioner Pal. Uh, at this point in time, we uh we have one person that has signed up to speak and uh that's uh Josh Blackman. He's here to speak uh for the Veterans First Initiative and Josh will give you the podium at this point.

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Josh. That's right.

Most of you know heard me. Uh I wanted to present a veterans first initiative. I actually came up with this. I don't know. It's been quite some time and did some thought on it. Uh as a veteran myself, I noticed that uh veterans don't get the best benefits out there, even though we kind of pretend they do. But Kentucky is ranked 35th out of 50 states for the uh treatment of veterans. Uh Kentucky is home to about 216,000 and that's about 6.2 of the population. Um what I'm trying to focus on today is I went and looked at local laws, local taxes that are done locally, not through the state, so we can request relief for veterans. Uh about a month ago, I presented to fiscal court lowering property tax uh through the on the county side, occupational tax on the county side. There seems to be one more thing. They all agree to it. We're just waiting for the ordinance to be written and looked over and then it'll pass. But we're progressing from here. I'm already in talks with Allen County. I'm in talks with county and soon will be with Warren County. The goal is to get Simpson County as the starter of this initiative and spread it for all the South Central Western Kentucky counties and then hopefully spread through the state because right now there's already I've been working with Sean McFersonson who's our state rep and then Jamie Comr on a few things. Sean's been pushing for us to get 0% property tax for veterans for a while, but it like anything through the state or federal, it takes forever. It cannot fall in one year, and five

years from now, it can fall. Currently in Simpson County, we have uh roughly 30 veterans that get the homestead exemption. what the homestead exemption is. If you're 70% uh disabled, um you take your verification letter to the PVA, they knock off $49,000 off your property value. So, if you have just say $149,000 house, that leaves you at $100,000 that you have to pay taxes on. And at the county uh level, we were paying uh 10 something. Now, it's 9.7. So, it went from or 9.78. We went from $10 or 9.78 per thousand, which is $978 on $100,000 house, down to 275, 2.7 per thousand. Uh, and of course, that's through the county. Kentucky is home to two active duty bases. We have Fort Knox, we have Fort Campbell, we have more reserve units, armories, national guards. I mean, you can't throw a rock without hitting one. Maybe a little that might be a little extreme, but we got quite a few. Um, what I'm asking is that we look at the 100% total and permanent service connected disability. Now, what that means is when you get out of the military, uh if you had some kind of accident, injury, uh you get a VA rate anywhere from 0% to 100%. A lot of people don't know this. And like I said, the homestead exemption takes 70. And what I'm trying to focus on is 100% total permanent service connection. So, it's like a I'm trying to think. uh VFW. I was there Saturday, asked 12, 15 of the guys how many were 100, and literally two of them

said them. A lot of them are at 70, 80, some at zero. Um the big thing is, I mean, we're losing veterans left and right. All our World War II veterans have all silently disappeared. We don't have any left in the county, which is the greatest generation. And we all had grandfathers, great uncles, grandfathers, you know, that served. And we're at zero. Korean war vets. Well, I think we're between two and five. And now we have Vietnam vets that are stepping up or in place, but they're all hitting 70s, 80s, and I mean, they're passing. So, um, I think it's a really good thing. uh we should look at the veterans especially with the state the what I'm requesting from the city uh the city commission basically is uh sitting down I'd like to take the occupational tax from the current rate down to.5% um I can't remember if we were at one or 1.5

uh veterans preference on bidding. Basically, if a a veteran business comes in, they get preference on bidding for the city uh projects. I'd like to see business license and fees go to zero for eligible veterans. And like I said, this is for 100% total and permanent service connected disability. Um, and to take in account to streamline the verification like PVA does, to take a VA disability award letter, which when you log on to uh va.gov, it literally it's up at the top, benefit letters. You can print one off and the PVA, that's what they currently accept. Now, I did have a question asked by uh commi or not commissioner um magistrate uh Marty Chandler. That was pretty good. He said, "Can these letters be um forged?" So, I called the VA uh Nashville. They gave me the national number down in Dallas. And then I talked to somebody else, but it was the benefits people. Basically, they said they've never had anything ever brought to them about that. And I was and they said they we can't guarantee that it hasn't been done, but it hadn't been brought to them. But a way around that is either for verification purposes, they can get online in front of Allison like at the PBA office for property tax, log in and show her the letter or as soon as you log in, it actually tells you your percentage and if it's service connected or not. And there's a 1-800 number that the person can call to verify right then and there. They don't have to. It's not violating any kind of HIPPA regulations or anything like that. you're just verifying their disability. Um,

streamline I do I number five I put community leadership which I think is huge because I think if we position Franklin Simpson as a state leader and how we treat veterans and give them relief. It will set an example for surrounding counties. Uh, and like I said, I've already been working with a few, but I think they're kind of trying to see how it goes here. So, but I do want to note especially to the Franklin City government that these are not demands by any means. Uh we fully recognize the important role that taxes uh play in funding Franklin City government and public services. uh the proposed occupational tax relief and other relief measures may be adjusted by y'all to you know I don't it don't have to be.5% you know whatever y'all think is fair and then whatever timeline you want to put like the property tax uh county when they approved it it's not going to affect this year because they've already sent out the taxes at this point but it comes into play next year so I just want y'all to understand I'm not trying on demand. I'm just trying to get a little relief for veterans, especially in this day of time where groceries are running you 3 to 500 a week. I got three young onions. I mean, we go through milk and a lot of money at the grocery. Uh secondary effects from uh helping veterans out, you're looking at population growth and economic growth. Uh, of course the more relief you give veterans and you put it out there, the more veterans are going to want to move here. I mean, literally Fort Knox is what, hour and a half away, closer to Fort Campbell's hour and a half away. We're right in the middle. So is Todd, Logan, Allen. Um,

but you bring in veterans, they're going to work. Uh, they're going to pay taxes. uh community leadership. Veterans naturally want to go in and be coached, mentors, uh teachers, they love teamwork stuff, civic duty, uh workforce strength. You bring in a lot of leadership uh capabilities to the workforce, public safety and service. many veterans at like myself and others JT um we all serve and then we do we serve as first responders. I think the SO had roughly 11 um veterans and I'm trying to remember how many the PD had. It was four or five. Uh and that was just what somebody could count on top of their head with for me. Uh but we do got to remember and that's not including the jail, EMS, and all our other fire, all our other uh first responders, uh veterans. Another one's youth uh inspiration. Uh kids look up to veterans. Um they like their dedication, um responsibility and stuff like that. And I've noticed that even at Lincoln where I work, uh, kids are always asking me about the military, even police and stuff. And I don't usually hold nothing back, just the curse words. Uh, community pride. Uh, veterans bring a deep sense of community pride and patriotism to uh, their community. Uh, we all know a bunch of veterans around here. They have their flag pose up. You know, we got every Marine on the birthday, November 10th, they will get a cake. No matter if it's just themselves and cut it with their big swords. I don't know, make them feel better. But that's coming

up November 10th. November 11th is actually Veterans Day. Um, like I said before, I'm working with Sean on a lot of the state tax relief. Um eventually I do believe it's going to get to 0% definitely on property tax which I know that has nothing to do with us here but uh I'm just stating what I think is going to happen through the uh state just going to take a while and then um James Comr I've been working with the Richard Star Act that should have passed a long time ago basically Richard Star Act Richard Star was a major pilot uh in the army he got retired at 16 and a half 17 years. And when that happens, you didn't fulfill your whole 20-year commitment. So when you get discharged by disability or med or whatever, you get just say 100%. You either get it through the VA or for the Army. You have to choose. And 100% through the VA versus Army is about $300 difference upper to the VA. So what they're trying to do with the Richard Star Act is because he was at a certain time and a lot of veterans were and when they get medically retired or disabled, they're trying to approve where they'll also get their army retirement. So uh just a little bit about myself. Uh if you don't know, um I'm married to Hillary. My very caring, loving wife let me do this. Uh I have three kids uh 13 and under. Non-stop fighting in my house. Um I did it over 17 years uh in the military. Uh I've been to Iraq, Afghanistan, all over Europe, the southern border back in ' 0708 time frame. Uh when they were started building a wall on the southern border.

Uh right now I work for the sheriff's office. I was deputy. Now I'm SRO. Uh going on 10 years, nine years. That put me at 20 about 26 and a half years of service I've done to the community, state of Kentucky, and for our country. Um, I did want to add one more thing. I printed it out that y'all didn't see and I should have sent it to you, but out of our labor force of the veterans that in our community in Simpson County, 70% of them participate in working. So, I mean, it's not like you have only 30%, 70% or 100% that's who's going to be claiming these uh reliefs. It's not like that. Most people are at like 70 or 30 whatever. But I mean, 70% and that puts the medium income for that person at $36,000. Y'all can imagine what it's like living off $36,000. It's not easy. Um, and that's all I have today for y'all.

All right. I'd glad take any questions though if y'all want me to clarify anything. I know I probably rambled on a little bit. Got a question for Scott. Number two, veterans preference on bidding. Can that be a problem?

I I'm not sure honestly sitting here today without looking at the statutes what all we can and can't do about any of this. We're a Josh. We're a little different critter than the county as you know. Absolutely. And we have a different set of statutes than they do. I was hoping you had what the county had. That would Sam maybe had already looked at it and I could that would save the whole time. I can give you the uh Kentucky U Constitution that you know 1792 the last update was 1891 and I think there's been 40 amendments since then. But section 170 section 171 goes over the people that are authorized exemptions and of course any disabled person granted through a government agency is included in that. and people over 65 so forth. And then section 180 goes over how the state allows counties and localities, the cities to set the occupational tax because currently only 86 counties out of 120 in Kentucky participate in the occupational tax. Um, so I think there's a

and I'm familiar with that. But here's the pro here's the issue and and it's something that honestly I'd have to look at. Cities are we derive all of our power from the statutes and the constitution. So if the state doesn't allow us to exempt people through a statute or the constitution specifically, then we can't do it.

Right? So that's why we we have some constraints that that I quite honestly Josh I just uh I've been I've been out of town fall break. So uh I haven't had a chance to look. I knew you were I saw that you were coming when I got my agenda. I just need to look at it and get back with you guys first. I need to know you know if you're interested in pursuing it and and Josh I would like if you get a copy of the ordinance from the county. I'd love to see that because I'm sure Sam will site whatever statute they have to go under. Right.

U but I just have not had I mean obviously with me being out of town I haven't had the opportunity to look at it. The to answer your question Dale about preferential on on bidding. I'm not nearly as concerned about that although there could be some constraints as I am about the exoneration of the taxes for the city. Um, and that's just and quite honestly just something I need to look at. I mean, I'm not saying we can't do it, and I know there was a movement of a foot at the state for the last two sessions, right,

to do this and it's fallen short both times. U which would make it a whole lot easier because if the state allowed it, then of course we could do it easily. So, let me let me clarify something before the commission tells me what they want me to do. So all you're asking for on under these exemptions is for people who are 100 veterans that are 100% disabled, 100% total and permanent where they can't get reviewed again and then service connected. And you're wanting full exoneration from property uh well business license, but on payroll cut it to half. We are 1%. We're less than the counties,

right? payroll cut 1% and then the business license and fees. I get the business owners, you know, um uh getting first look. I can see where that's kind of and how many total people you think in Simpson County would qualify.

The thing is you cannot get so even calling the VA or googling, you can look up, you know, how many 100% in Kentucky are 100% disabled. Well, some say, you know, HIPPO violations, but in reality, I if it is, if it ain't, but they will not give you one. But they say the average is, I think, 6.12% of the veterans that are uh retired, and that's not including, it's also hard to say because like Warren County, we had I had an issue with them, and I have to go up there. They don't separate normal disability or your mental disability, something you're born with or gained later, you know, through accidents or whatnot, versus military disability. They only put disability for the homestead exemption. Now, like our our PVA office, they did distinguish, which made it a whole lot easier. And then you're going to have the veterans that are over 65 getting a homestead exemption already. So, but I still don't think it's not going to be a huge number what people think.

How many veterans did you say there was in the state? In the state 265,000 80 roughly 10 people per well the last I had was 216 but I don't I can't remember the date on that. 2166 and appro approximately 6.2 of that of the population was veterans. That's not right. 216,667 veterans approximately 6.2 of Kucky's population, right? So about less than 10 on average per county.

So what what I'll need is if you guys are interested in moving forward, authorize me to move forward and let me see what I can find and I can bring it back to the next meeting. Mayor, of course, as we I'm sorry. You go ahead, mayor. Go ahead. No, as I was going to I was just going to comment. You know, the tax rates are already set this year. So there's Yeah. You know, our hands are tied. You understand that? We'd have to put it into effect at some time in probably next fiscal year or whatever. Correct.

That's how the county uh laid it out and I was going to talk about the ordinance that they were going because taxes were already sent out this year, the property tax will take effect next year. Now, with that being said, I don't know if Sam is going to be uh working, you know, right now on that ordinance or if it'll be six months down the road or whatnot. But I can I'm sure I can find other ordinances similar to ours or even through the KRS, KS, I can look through. Well, I mean, I can create that. I just if he'd already looked at it to see what their statutory exemptions were. But so I think Commissioner Stewart, were you going to Yeah. Do we need a motion for that?

We would. Okay, sir. I'll make the motion that we entertain it, Mayor. Okay. We have a motion by Commissioner Query to entertain that. I second. Mayor, we have a second by Commissioner uh uh Stewart. U is there any further discussion to be? If not, all in favor I I. Any opposition? And that motion carries. I'll bring something back to the next meeting. Josh, if I need anything from you, I'll get in touch with you in the meantime. Yeah, please do. All right. If you happen to see Sams, if you get a copy, I'll definitely bring it to you. Absolutely. Thank you. Appreciate it.

And I I'll present it if you want to or whatnot to you. So, uh I just can't promise it'll be before next meeting. No, I I get it. I get it. and and I may not have it put together, but at least I can give you all direction on where we need to go. Okay. Thank you. And just a comment, Josh, I just want to say that we certainly appreciate every veteran in the world. We because we live in a free country today because of the service that the veterans have given and we certainly certainly do appreciate our veterans. Well, thank you all and thank uh for those working with me and everything. I do appreciate it very much. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate you all. Thank you, Josh.

We will move on to the approval of minutes and that'll be the approval of minutes of the September 22nd, 2025 regular meeting. And I'm sure everyone's had an opportunity to look over those, read those or any comments. Make a motion with approval. We have a motion by Commissioner Pal to approve them as they're stated. Do I have a second? Second, Mayor. A second by Commissioner Stewart. Uh any further questions, comments? All in favor? I I I.

Any opposition? And those minutes uh those minutes carry as they're stated. Uh we will move on to recognitions. And I believe that Jennifer Knight is here to recognize u Matthew Bishop, a new employee we have. So,

mayor, um, I would like to introduce our new financial specialist, Matthew Bishop. Matthew comes to the city with a bachelor's, uh, of science and accounting and, uh, from Western Kentucky University and two years of accounting experience from Camping World. Um, Matthew's lived here in Franklin since fourth grade. And in his spare time, he likes watching hockey and football. And I just want to say that we're excited to have him in the finance department. We've already put him to good use and to work. and he is fitting in well. So, um I just want everyone to help me welcome Matthew. Welcome aboard. We're glad to have you on board, Matthew. Thank you.

And at this point, I have a recognition to make. So, I'm going to go to the podium to do that. [Applause] First I would like to say that we have two employees that have se that have received recognition from KC. This is recognition based on hours that they have put in to on work to make themselves a better a better qualified worker for the city of Franklin. And uh this morning we would like to uh recognize uh Carol Rianbach who could not be with us this morning. But we also have Carter Mundy here which I'm going to ask to come up to the po the podium at this at this time uh to recognize. But KC offers many many training opportunities and they offer opportunities in every field of city government and they do a great job in helping to qualify uh uh city officials to be to be better uh in operating their city. And uh we are always grateful for all the work that uh KC does for not only Franklin Kentucky but for the 48 cities in the state of Kentucky that they uh work with. So at this time I want to thank Carol Rianbach who could not be with us today who received her level three uh uh hours and uh she is our Carol is our finance director and does a great job and we uh we want to congratulate her on the extra work that she's put forth to

help educate herself to be a better uh employee for the city of Franklin. And on the same level, I would like to say the same thing about Carter Mundy who works these two people work really hard. They're very dedicated to the city of Franklin to the work they do. And uh Carter has earned his level one in P&Z. And uh uh uh I know Carter Carter is very dedicated. He works hard. And Carter, upon uh your uh professional work and the work you do, I would like to present you with this plaque. And it says, "Carter Monday has successfully completed the level one achievement in city governance for this of the city officials training center this 26th day of September, 2025. And congratulations again on uh on the work that you do to uh help educate yourself and to help us all to to do a better job with working with our working city government. Carter,

thank you mayor.

Thank you. Thank you very much. Uh I I do want to conclude with this statement and I think JD JD Cheney who is the executive director of KC said it very well with these achievements and the amount of training it represents. Citizens of the real winner citizens are the real winners because our communities are reaping the benefits of better informed leaders. This is an impressive feat and testament to the dedication of these city officials and I think that says it very well. On that note, next I would like to this uh this month is city government month and uh I have a resolution that I would like to read uh and in reference to uh uh uh this being uh October is city government month. So um I'm going to read resolution number G2025 dated October 13, 2025. Whereas cities are the economic engine of Kentucky and more than 50 56% of Kuckians reside within a city and rely on their city government to provide a variety of services that impress their quality of life. And where is there are 408 cities within the Commonwealth of Kentucky and Kentucky in Kentucky and deserves recognition for their contributions. And whereas as the goal of city government month is to raise public awareness of what city governments across the Commonwealth do and how they impact the daily lives of their residents as well as visitors. And whereas many citizens now are now aware of the work done by the city governments on their behalf and how critical this work is. And whereas the KC board of directors has declared

October 2025 as city government month in Kentucky. Now therefore be it resolved that the city of Franklin does hereby designate October 25, 2025 as city government month. But it be further resolved that city officials and employees are encouraged to engage residents and celebrate city government month throughout the entire month of October with creative ways to showcase the contributions of the city. And uh I would also like to ask for a motion if I could at this time to designate this October as city government month. So move. We have a motion by Commissioner Powell,

second second by Commissioner McCquary. All any further comments? All in favor? I I.

Any opposition? And that motion carries. Okay. and we will move on to uh community services and uh we'll have an update from Carly Kerry uh executive director of the Franklin Simpson Good Samaritan and uh Carly if you will just come up to the podium and we'll be happy to hear from you.

Well, good morning. Um thank you for inviting me. So, I started um as director in May. Um, my husband Mike and I um have been in ministry, boots on the ground for years and years. You may know my sister-in-law Tammy Carrey. I don't know if anybody knows her, but um and so I I had known about the um the Good Samaritan um for years because they were all, you know, our family had been involved in churches that we've been involved with, but my mother and I are now the director and she's my assistant. Um we've been in jail ministry and recovery ministry for years. So we're delighted to be a part of um the Good Samaritan. Um just some things that we um I just thought I'd get together a few statistics just so you kind of know what we've done. Uh up to date this year we've had 645 clients since January. Um 375 of those we have provided food for. Um that's an estimated value of nearly $24,000 of food and um financial assistance which is electric, water, gas, medical and uniforms. Um all of that together has total nearly $39,000. So as you can see, we we give we're just a little tiny, you know, space there on Main Street, but we're giving out a lot. and we see a lot of folks um Monday through Thursday 9 to1 and um Franklin uh you know had the the community it's really restored my faith and humanity I'm just so impressed with the way that the churches support the way the folks I mean every day folks come in and out of those doors with loads of groceries so we've got groceries coming in the back with our clients um uh coming in the front and we have furniture going out the back so

we're a busy little place um and then of Of course, we have uh a gal from the um correctional facility with us um every day and that is near and dear to our hearts and we're getting an opportunity to pour into her life and she is a great help to us and a volunteer, you know, there. Um we do have an holiday um bake sale coming up uh in November. the open house that we have downtown that the Franklin merchants put on, you know, uh the open house, I think it's like the 14th through the 16th, we're going to have a bake sale and a yard sale. So, you want to contribute, feel free. We're also, shameless plug, selling t-shirts for $25 um to just to support the cause, you know, just any way that we can kind of get money in the door because we've got money going out constantly. And you know, I have um kind of bumped up our social media presence so that you can kind of see what's going on. I I post on there nearly daily with um uh grocery list, you know, ideas of what you might, you know, each week we have a different set of needs. And so I'm always sure to put that on there. Um I think that's about it unless there's anything else that you all need from me. Um, but I think I'm just trying to find creative ways to get the word out there so that we can, you know, because there are there are weeks uh when I'm, you know, looking in the freezer and praying and asking the Lord, you know, to give us uh to provide and he always does. But I I just wanted to come and and share that with you all. So, okay. Well, we are glad to have you come and share with us and uh of course we uh we uh it's it's good to get the report because we do we do supports good Samaritan financially

and we are so grateful for that and uh we we're very glad to have you and very glad to get an updated report from you and we're glad to see you Carly being there. Thank you so much. What a blessing. Thank you question. Are we good? Yes. Thank you very much.

Okay. we will move on to general government and that'll be discussion and a possible action regarding a special call meeting and I think Kenton wants to speak to that and yes mayor u you know probably this week we're looking to finish the uh south uh sidewalk project on South College and uh and I thought maybe it would be an opportunity on October 27th uh to meet there at central office walk the the new sidewalk you know, talk to people along the way and kind of conclude at uh Franklin Community Church of Christ. Um and then have a special cause meeting at 5:00. It's just a I think it's a a good accomplishment. It's our first uh you know pushing sidewalks out in the community that's been already established and I think it's a it's looks beautiful and uh I think it's a you know, we did that several years ago. We walked before we even started building it. I think it's a way to kind of do a closure and uh I was thinking that maybe you know we open the meeting up at 5:00 you know and do little questions from the public and so some of their other plans but um I just was wanting to get your thoughts feedback uh that's something we want to go ahead and plan for uh

what's the pleasure I'm all for it um and actually it'll give people a chance to time that it's been recent talk that, you know, we have meetings in the daytime. So maybe that give people an opportunity to come at come to this one at night if they want to see more about local city government. And I'm good with it. Yeah, I think uh mayor I I think it's a good way to top off that uh that project that we've done got so far u and and even get the input of the residents over there of what impact that's had on their life. um you know as we explore doing some more of this throughout the throughout the uh the city. So uh yes, I think it's a good idea that we do that.

If you drive down through there, you can tell that they're being used. They uh I have driven down through there. I drive through there at different times of the day and I don't think there's been a time recently that I've driven down through there that I haven't seen as many as two or three and as many as 11 people at one time walk in those. And uh so I think it's a great addition to our community and especially to that area. So, well, if the commission agrees to that, it would be to cancel the normal city commission meeting scheduled on October 27th at 12:00 noon and schedule special called meeting at 5:00 p.m. at Franklin Church of Christ. The ne our next commission meeting was the 27th. Yes, sir. Okay, I'll make that motion. Okay, we have a motion by Commissioner Stewart.

Second, second by Commissioner McCquary. Any further discussion? As most of you know, uh we have to if uh we uh have a a meeting scheduled at a certain place, we have to we have to change that meeting date and that meeting time and we have to do that by by motion. So that's and it becomes a special call and becomes a special call and it becomes a the the topics on the agenda that day. Absolutely. Thank you, Scott. Any further questions? Mayor, I have one for Ken. What uh East Madison? Is that is it going to be completed next?

Well, we got to finish the sidewalk coming finish the brick up to a certain point and we've uh there's some uh proposal to get it to uh Macedonia Road which is an extra cost. So, uh we're coming up with that price, but especially that we're focusing right now is get all the brick work done on Madison and also on railroad. Wasn't some more brick found too in the process that they want to extend? Yeah, we did. Yeah. Okay. So, uh, and what about the grant that we talked about a few months few months ago that we might possibly get to extend all the way to IGA? Did every that ever come about? Well, I'll let John is the creator of that. So, I'll let John talk to Pat. Okay.

So, you're talking about the grant for Macedonia and North Street. Macedonia. We have we have a couple of uh of um grants out there right now. One of them is the Breen Ridge Street grant. That's a $530,000 grant with CPP funds

um to widen the street and at a sidewalk where that park is. And then there's a regional grant through Brad um and I forget the acronym on that one, but um that allows us and we're in the engineering phase of that. That's a regional grant that'll allow certain sidewalks and that includes Macedonia Street all the way up to IG cutting through IG's parking lot going to Roi Street and then uh as part of that same project, North Street all the way from 10:08 to the park entrance. Um and that'll be a single side of the street. Um I think on both occasions it's going to be the south side of the street. Um but we've talked to the engineers already on that. Um we got a little prep work to do. um for some of that. Um but yeah, that that wheels in motion and um I'll be reaching out and having a conversation with the Brad office on that a little bit more later this season.

So, on which one? The the regional grant that involves Macedonia and North Street. Okay. And this is just the engineering part of it. Get the engineering completed. Correct. And um I went ahead and u I've been trying to find more grants for us to do the construction side of it, too. So, um, if we can get that fully paid for, then we'll have all of our park parks be walkable from downtown and the schools. So, that'd be a huge accomplishment that I'd like to see in the next couple of years. So, well, we're going to finish East Madison with or without the grant up to Macedonia.

Well, there's a section there that, as you can see, we have to cross. There's some construction and that's why we got to get pricing on the engineering. Uh it's going to get probably what is that 300 feet to short that we're going to

Yeah. And as far as the brick goes, we can do that in house. Um now the concrete and installing new sidewalks because of the terrain to make it ADA compliant, we do need to have that engineered. Um and we do need professional contractors for that bit of it. Um now where we did find brick, we can do that. Basically, instead of installing new sidewalk, we're replacing existing sidewalk, and we can do that with in-house labor and materials. So, we're able to do that much cheaper and much easier. Um, but because of the terrain that goes from sections of East Madison down to, uh, that intersection, uh, we've explored different options and that's in, uh, I think we talked to the engineer, he's already sent us some information on that. Um, we'll be talking to property owners as we finalize construction plans for that. But it I would have liked to have seen it before Halloween. I told Kenton, you know, can we get this done by Halloween so trick-or-treaters have a sidewalk and um it's looking like it probably won't be by Halloween. Um, but we would like to at least get the brick going um during that time.

I was asking that one point. I had drove by there in several weeks. That's a hazard, you know, where the c the sidewalk was actually. Is it still that way? I I had uh are you familiar with that? I am. I've pointed that out. Uh I push a stroller on that sidewalk often. So, when I have to adjust the stroller, uh to me, that's an ADA u issue, safety issue. So, uh, yeah, I I've pointed those all out to, uh, our contractors and our public works staff and, you know, when we finalize this project, that's going to be a part of it. So, thank you. All right. Okay. Thanks.

Thank you. Any further comment? Okay. We will need a we've a motion and a second. And all in favor? I I Any any opposition? And that motion carries. So, our next meeting will be at 5:00. That's on the 28th, I believe it is. 27th. 27th. 27th. It'll be at 5:00 at the Church of Christ. And we'll have a walk prior to that. We'll have to notice the four o'clock walk, but the actual meeting I saw Commissioner McCra looking is going to be at 5, right? That's correct. Yeah.

All right. We will move on under general government to discussion and a possible action regarding customer service uh phone operator and I believe Kent will

Yes sir. a lot of moving parts here and I know we talked about this last meeting and uh you know on the 27th we'll have a work session but uh discussion I have a couple options we can talk about but one of the things as we kind of dove into um you know call volume that comes through city hall is 3,400 calls a month uh it's around 160 an hour each call is about two minutes long so trying to handle that volume because it kind of peaks between 10 and two. So even though you have an operator, there will be somebody backing up. So it's not 100%. You know, there's going to be somebody that you can't get to. So we're talking to a couple options and stuff like that. So trying to get cost options and everything as we go into the work session, we can kind of uh discuss which way we want to go uh which way is the best. So, I just kind of wanted to give a little bit more time for that discussion and then we can make some decisions. Um, any questions on that?

When's the next large session? It's a 27. 27. Sorry. You said sorry. So, the 3,400. Do we know what the calls are about? No, sir.

What time, Kenton? 5:00. The work session. Okay. This is going to be in our that'll be included in the work section. Thank you.

Okay, we and then the other thing item is there's a really two points there. Um several of us went to the Kentucky lead city a few weeks ago. Uh I wasn't able to tune into to one of the uh uh presentations, but Carol Rigbach went to the workplace violence in the city government. It was by uh Michael Simpson. He's a employment law attorney. um really good feedback as far as uh violence and and I thought uh listen on that and I looked at the presentation it would be good for the commission to review and listen to before you know we make uh decisions about what we want to do at city hall as far as uh security. Uh I had reached out to Michael Simpson and he's available to come on November the 10th. It's uh probably be a 20-minute p uh presentation and I think it would be a good discussion to have before we go a little farther, but at least to get a little little bit more facts on the table and then we can make a decision based on some uh current information. And I was wondering if that's acceptable to have him come down and do a presentation on the 10th for the commission. I personally think knowing knowing him and knowing the job he does I think would be a good good idea.

It's actually Michael Simon. I mean Mike Simpson probably would appreciate that the guy here. Well, thank you for the correction that I know Michael.

Yeah. Uh I just wanted to I I just think it would be a good like I said uh uh Carol was a really you know thought it was a real good presentation. I thought it would be something good that we all need to listen to. Um, and if if this is something we want to entertain, um, there is an agreement that uh, Michael has sent us to have the mayor sign. So, we need to have the commission agree on having uh, the mayor to sign this agreement. I think it's cost is $300 plus travel.

I think it's a good idea, Ken. I mean, I I I do I I know that there's a lot of people uh in the community that's been concerned about um the inability to be able to get to customer service and well, of course, obviously when COVID hit, that's when it started and we haven't lifted that since then. Um, you know, you hear a whole lot about Franklin and and it being small and and what have you, but you know, u Franklin could have some issues that that uh that we could regret not being able to be proactive about. I think having this gentleman coming and speaking uh just giving us some uh some opposition to our thought process of this being small Franklin. You know, we have to think about what we can do to protect not not not only employees but other citizens at at the moment when someone that may be very very upset, disgruntled and what have you. Uh you know, I know it's it's a it's an argument good argument to have that to that we uh return back to to our normal way of conducting business. But I think having someone to give us some something to really think about that, you know, because we haven't had it don't mean we won't have it. And we need to think about that. We need to think very serious about the security and the safety of of of people uh uh in the community and particularly our workers over there with uh someone that may be uh very disgruntled and uh and all the other factors that put in place that that's out there now uh mental illness and what have you. So, we can't take it for for granted, you know, cannot take it for granted. So, I support fully having uh someone come and give us some type of u in-depth uh presentation and have some conversation about it to help educate us a little bit more about the severity of things of this nature. So, uh you know, without going any further, I'm sorry,

we would need a a motion to authorize the mayor to sign that agreement. If you're if there's not any more a further discussion, I don't want to get ahead of any other discussion. Yeah. No, I agree with you. It's good to look at, but and I think we both agree that we need to get back to normal operating business somehow, but I'm absolutely for listening to this gentleman speak.

Any further comments? Uh, I just concur with Commissioner Stewart. I guess my police mind kicks in because uh we live in a violent society and I've been in city hall when I rape people comes in there and you know not only do you have to protect the public but you got to protect the employees of the city and you got to be aware of what could happen. Violence doesn't happen always in big cities. A lot of a lot of shootings and stuff has happened in small cities. So, I'm I'm definitely in agreement to have him come down here where the public can hear an expert opinion on it. So, I'll make that motion or I'll second it if you may.

I'll second if you want. All right. I'll have a motion by Commissioner Pal and a second by Commissioner Stewart. Is there any further comments or questions? If not, all in favor? I. Any opposition? I guess. And that motion carries. Thank you. Okay. From there we will move on to public safety. Uh don't believe we have anything. We do have something under utilities and uh that's discussion and a possible action regarding water treatment plant breaker switch gear replacement. And uh

mayor I'll get this one too. I think this is my last one. Uh this is something we talked about in the budget work session. Uh about this time last year, we had a main breaker trip at the uh water plant. Took us a while to get it reset. Uh it did up and going and it causes to look at that breaker ends in the switch gear. And as we see it, it was uh 40 years old at best and the breaker is uh basically dis discontinued and not repairable. Um, but we did find a breaker for uh that had been reconditioned that we got on the stock for $5,000 just for holding place. But uh but we've come up with some engineering as far as to replace that switch gear and we had Bar Wagner uh come down and look at the gear with their engineers kind of give us a proposal. Basically the proposal is to design spec and and basically push out a build a bid and you can see that on well for the total bid is 77,400. Um but there's a section in there as far as the option as far as construction phase services. Um that's something I can handle myself. Uh that would be a reduction about $15,500 and that would be $61,900 if I was to go ahead and oversee the project. Uh so I just kind of want to throw that out there. The difference in the cost um it's like I said this is this is a budgeted item. Um it's probably a four or five month to get from beginning to end. But we got to have it engineered. Got to design, get it speced to start the process.

Got to have it. So if the commission is agreeable, then uh approve barge design solution professional service for agreement of $61,900. That's with me being the oversight and being on call and have the mayor to sign all necessary documents. I'll make the motion.

Okay, we have a motion by Commissioner McCclary. Second, second by Commissioner Powell and any further discussion. I want to make a comment at this point uh as we we want to take note that with our city manager doing this this is saving our city a lot of money and uh I I I appreciate the fact that Kent is willing to take that on. So we have a mo we have a motion and a second. All in favor? I I Any opposition? Yes. We have one no.

Mr. Bush. Okay. And that motion carries. Okay. And we will move on to We don't have anything in executive session today. That's unusual. Nope. Excuse me. We have an ordinance, Kathy. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to get ahead of you of all the

We just have one today. Mayor, we'll have second summary reading today. Ordinance number 2025. That's 026, an ordinance amending certain section of chapter 116 of the city of Franklin code of ordinances entitled peddlers, doortodoor sellers and solicitors. And I will need a first and second motion for approval. So move have a motion by Commissioner Stewart. Second. Second by Commissioner Bush. Uh do we have further discussion or comments? Do a roll call. Roll call vote, please. Commissioner Pal, yes. Commissioner Bush, yes. Mayor Dixon, yes.

Commissioner McCra, yes. Commissioner Stewart, yes. And that ordinance passes unanimously. This concludes second summary reading of this ordinance. Full text is available upon passage and publication and will be on the city's website. For a copy, you can contact the city clerk at city hall during normal business hours. Thank you very much, Kathy. Okay, now we'll move to executive session. And there's nothing on executive session today. So, Scott, do you have a report of any? No, sir. Okay. Okay. We will move on to city manager report.

Yeah, just to give you an update on the human resources director search. We've received 22 applications and we got it narrowed down to four. uh John Hall, senior consultant of he uh human resources consulting. he is working with the city um and basically he has taken those those four candidates and he uh submits uh what we call CPI 260 is basically 260 questions psychological questions as far as the candidate it's uh dealing with others self-management motivation thinking style personal characteristics and workrelated measures and he bases that on a national average as far as the national as far as this job description and basically each person takes his 260 questions and it it rates those individuals uh out of that is really unique because everybody can submit a resume but you really don't understand their resume. Okay, they got a degree but this is a soft skill and really there's a lot of outliers uh we've been doing this for several years uh that he brings to us as far as what he's seeing in the test. So that's currently been going on. We look to probably start the the interview process in October 20th with these candidates. Um the candidates will be interviewed and then uh based on that we'll have some uh maybe the top two candidates uh meet with the commission for that final decision. So that's the status on the human resources director check. Any questions on that? and then thought process after we established that then uh would he entertain looking at the assistant city manager's position after we had somebody come in and set as far as HR position. So I just kind of wanted to give you the

status of where we are and the plans of filling that position first. So, so from our last meeting, I know we we discussed um bringing someone on board that can do a dual role uh with it being I guess titled as city manager slash human resource. So, are you telling us that that uh we're taking that that city manager position and sticking with the um human resource position and that's where we we're going to go in that route? I guess it's just u my indication was always to have somebody in human resources that person assistant would be over overseeing that section of HR. Okay.

As administrative. So, but I I mean I I still got that. I still I mean I I know that that that didn't lead the conversation when we were talking about it in our last meeting, but based on the information that was in our packet, I still got I still got I still got it. I got the fact that the human resources was still going to be uh one of the main objectives in that presentation that that that along with the city manager. And again, you know, I I don't back down from Yeah. what I support. Yeah.

Uh and I still I I do I do support the concept, but I I do accept the fact that if we're going to slash that off and just go with the human resource, uh and that's what we're going to do and move in that direction. uh you know I'm I'm definitely because I think there was some misunderstanding about how that process was uh um I never got the whole concept and idea that the presentation that you were given and one you gave us was city manager you know and overlooking the human resources but if if we're going to do that you know I'm definitely I support that as well because we do need a human resource uh person so uh I just want to get some clarification on on what you what you know where we are

as far as why I submitted was basically and I and I should have put a a draft across it. It was just for talking. Uh it's it was just something to get on paper and talk about. Uh you know, hindsight's 2020. Uh you know, we could always, like I said, rework the job description, bring it back to the commission, improve the job description before we even go further. But like I said, I wanted to get something on paper just to talk about. It's what I did. Um because if I just I thought I just wrote the memo and sent it to you, then you would say, "Well, what about the JavaScript?" So, like I said, I just kind of pulled some things together for talking points. Uh it went faster than I thought. But, but I can pull that back and throw up, you know, do several other drafts. Uh but the main thing was right now is I wanted to fill the HR position first and uh some of my So, I just kind of wanted to give an update. This is my fault.

Yeah, that's fine. Well, that's what we'll do. We'll fill you in a peaceful position. So, do we need to Is there any no we're just moving forward with this? Commissioner McQuary. Are you finished, Commissioner? Uh, yes. Yeah, I'm finished. I'm finished. Yeah, sure. Commissioner McQuary.

Uh, yeah. Just want to bring up a fact. Uh, Tuesday night to tomorrow night, it's Monday. uh the historical society's having um a meeting and Stuart Stan Stuart Sanders uh is going to be there. He's going to discuss the Civil War, the history of duels and how it pertains to Kentucky the men or Kentucky downs and be an interesting discussion. Very good speaker and encourage anybody to attend that can at 6 pm. That's it, Mayor. Okay. Commissioner Bush, the the text amendment that's going to be added to an I2 zone, correct? I think so. It's however however it was written. I don't have that right in front of me, but

So, it's going to be added to an industrial zone. Yeah, that's the west best I remember. Yes. So, then if that's passed, then they will be able to build as many data centers as they want in that zone without a conditional use. That's not true. They would have to come back. They any presentation, any plan for a an industry has to be presented to planning and zoning for location and approval before it's ever started, before they ever get a permit. But this would make it easier for them to put data centers in though.

Well, I don't know about easier, but I mean it it would allow for technical or data centers. Yes. because right now the way it's written arguably it doesn't allow for one even. I mean I know people say yeah you can get a conditional use but but I'm not sure that that would be available or appropriate necessarily because there's no allowance for them anywhere in the planning and zoning rigs.

I mean I still think it's pretty clear that nobody is really in favor of this from the public. So I would make the motion again to not send the text amendment to the planning and zoning regarding the data centers and to pull that back for further discussion until we really understand the entire scope of the project. I'll still second Kelly. I agree that you have a interrupt.

No, no. Um I can't divulge too much but when when uh anybody comes to the city about a business to open to open up possibly this commission would be fools not to entertain it. I mean we just can't we can't shut off everybody without let with without all the information. However, this I think this one is a little different because it's something new and I wasn't versed in it myself, but I've done a lot of research and until I get more information on it and I voted for the text amendment in the beginning. I'm not going to lie, I did. But I changed my mind because unfortunately I didn't have much information and and I'm still not saying that I'm shutting it off. But I'm leaning toward no at this point because I don't know. So I'm not going to vote yes on something that I don't know and thoroughly understand it. Uh, I'm still open to hear. I'm still open to listen to anybody and what they have, but and I do agree with Commissioner Bush on this one that uh until I get that information, um, I'm just not willing to go forward. But if we do get information and it's good and it's good for the community, I'm always going to be for that. However, if it's not, I'm not. So, I do second up the motion. Commissioner Powell. Well,

correct me if on this text amendment. If we pass that text amendment, that's not just for a data center. And that's and that's not saying the data center is going to come in because there's too Well, we're we're we're getting the card a little before the horse because I mean, we sent the recommendation over there, but they've already picked it up and advertised for it. I'm not sure that revoking it at this point would do any good or not do any good. I mean, if you'd done it the last time, yeah, before they've advertised. I mean, I don't care how you vote or what you do. I mean, we I'll do whatever you tell me you want to do. They would just need to put a new advertisement out. Correct. I I didn't hear you. They would just need to put a new advertisement out. Correct.

Well, I I don't I mean, just because it's here's my here's my issue, Commissioner. I don't know what they've done at their meetings. I haven't been here. So, if they've had a meeting and they looked at it and said, "Yes, let's put it on there." Then it's beyond the scope of what the commission can do. You follow what I'm saying? I I don't that means that they have picked it up.

Let me explain because people have a severe misunderstanding of what all this means. A a recommendation for a text amendment is just changing the text to the planning and zoning regulations. It doesn't mean it can automatically come in or not come in. All it is is changing the regulations. That's thing one that can originate either from the local governments or from planning and zoning. Just like with uh the thing out uh on Springfield Road in the county, it originated from the county that sent it to planning and zoning to have a hearing. So all you guys did is is is to make a motion to send it over for them to have a hearing. They have a public hearing. the public comes in and they can say or do whatever they want to say or do about it. And if everybody's against it or whatever, planning and zoning will act however they're going to act. I mean, I'm not trying to prejudge it or whatever, assuming it fails there. It can still come back here for you all to approve or not approve over their objection. Assuming it passes there, then they make a recommendation and then it definitely comes back here

for a city commission ordinance to put those in place. Regardless, there has to be a there will be a minimum of one public hearing, that being in planning and zoning about the text amendments, and there could be as many as three public hearings on it if it moves forward before even the text amendments come into place. Once the text amendments, assuming they come into place, even I don't know based on what you two are saying, they may not even come into place, but assuming they come into play, that doesn't still mean that this thing's coming.

I mean, at that point, then what do they have to do? Then they have to come to planning and zoning and apply for permits, lay out their their construction plans, and get all that approved over there. So, there'll be another public hearing. Yeah, on that issue. So, basically, we voted today. It it it just be our opinion warning thing. It's too late for that. Well, I don't know is what I'm saying to you because I don't know if planning and zoning picked it up and said, "Yeah, let's go ahead and have a hearing on it or not. I can't answer that because I don't know what they've done." Well, regardless, at the end of the day, it's going to come back to this table. It has to. It has to. Yeah. So, but it's the way it's written is that they're able to create their own power. Correct. it

and it just doesn't it just doesn't limit it gives them the ability to create their own power, right? But it doesn't it doesn't put a box around the type of power they're able to the the medium they're able to use to create the power. I I I don't again you're hitting me cold. I don't have in front of me to to know exactly what their text amendment proposal was. Uh, I thought we sent it to them, but the company sent it to us, Kelly. I mean, I I I didn't I didn't come up with that. I mean, they presented that to you guys at that meeting where, you know,

so then in that instance, I would infer that it's going to be more in favor towards them than it is in favor towards us. I don't know. I I I can't answer that necessarily either. I mean, I think all it was is permissive in the text amendments to allow to potentially allow them where right now they could not come arguably, right? But if they got here and they decided that the power generation that they're using is not sufficient the way it's written, it seems pretty broad. So, they could use nuclear if they couldn't.

Well, but all of that again would have to be presented to planning and zoning and approved through their site plan. But the problem with that is we've had several developments or several plans come in where it says that they're going to do one thing and then it changes and then something else happens and we get something totally different. Kennedy Lane, Blackjack Road. I I don't even know what you're talking about. I'm just saying. Well, I mean, I don't know what you're talking about. How do you respond? I think everybody knows what is that a question or a comment? I don't comment. That's residential. This is industrial. Kennedy Lane was residential, right? Oh. Oh. Oh, I got you. Well, what but that that's a whole different cr and they put a stop work order on it. I mean, when they when they changed hands on it.

No, no, no. That's that's not the the what I'm saying is is that plans have come in for certain developments, but then because it gets zoned or whatever or or whatever changes then, you know, then it gets sold and then they they put So, it was supposed to be a neighborhood. My understanding supposed to be a neighborhood there on Blackjack Road. Now, we have like eight plexes or 16 plexes. Well, and and again, that all came before we did well our revision. We've we've caught it now and we fixed it. We've made the the necessary changes to our subdivision rigs and our planning and zoning rigs where that can't happen again. You live and you learn. Before we even had these, for lack of a better way to say it, it was kind of the wild wild west. you could do about anything you wanted to do till we put detailed subdivision regulations and things like that in place to be able to to police that and stop it. Now, with regard to your comment specifically about industry, I mean, I I wish Carter was still here. He could answer that better than I can. I I don't have their checklist, but I think that if they made a significant change like that, it would have to go back to planning and zoning for approval on a change in the power generation system. I am Am I swearing to that? No. Because I like again I I don't know. Carter's not here,

right? But that but I think but I think so. I mean, I think any significant change, right? And I'm not trying to be rude about it, but like the think so doesn't give me the word warm and fuzzies. And I get that you don't have it in front of you, but my concern is is it's so broad and that we don't only and I and I don't know why everybody thinks like data centers are great. I'm literally the only person probably in here that's been in more data centers than anybody. I've literally moved the Nissan data center from Guardian, California to license, Kentucky on a C130. So, I kind of know what I'm talking about. And this is definitely not something we want. Well, that's I mean

and you're you've put it out on social media to have people show up to voice their opinion and that's great. That's what this life that's what this world's all about. I agree. Come and express your opinion and and decide. I mean, people are looking at me like I have a vested I I don't know anything about this. All I did was heard what you heard when you heard it. Yeah. And they brought it up and we sent it over. I mean, at this point now, it's up for the public to talk to planning and zoning and to you guys if if it comes back here. So, I I mean, I can't answer your questions any better than that because I don't have any more details about it than you do. And that's concern.

Well, I I have a question at this point, Scott. Uh, it was a it was a 4 to one vote to send it over to them. Uh, and we've already voted on that. Well, the second time it was okay. First time it was for second time. How How can we un How can we undo something that we've already done lawfully? And again, I don't know if we can. That's what I tell that that doesn't all I ever hear are barriers. There's there's no like

that is that I I I totally disagree. I'm telling you I'm telling you I don't know the answer because I don't know if planning and zoning picked it up. if planning and zoning has not on their own. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Apparently, I'm interrupting you up. I'm saying they've obviously picked it up because they the meeting's on the 21st, right? Well, I I'm guessing, but I don't know the answer to that. I didn't go to their meeting. I don't know whether they discussed it at their meeting and said, "Yep, we got this recommendation. Let's do it or not." If they hadn't and all the advertisements and all are purely on your all's recommendation, then can we undo it? Yes. I can't answer that. sitting here today is what I'm telling you. Okay.

I I because I don't know what they did at their meeting. I don't go to their meetings. They have their own attorney. I think based on the information we have, we can't bring it up for a vote at this point. We've already had we got a motion in a second, but we have Okay. You still have to vote, though. We got a motion in a second. I mean, if the discussion is over, the discussion is over. That's fine, but we still got to vote. Correct me if I'm if I'm wrong.

Say we went through all of this and they come before us and we have in the past turned down businesses because of the impact on our water system. And there's so many stories out there. Some well they're going to use water, some they're going to use gas. And I don't know the true story, but bottom line, we hold the keys. If it's going to impact our water system to where it can't take it, then we're not going to prove it. You're exactly right. We hold the commission. You're exactly right, Commissioner. I mean, this this hearing is only on the text amendment. Period. I

I think the concerning part is a company has sent us two text amendments and none of us seem to know what is actually coming. Well, well, bottom line, we have the deciding vote when it's all said and done on any industry coming in that's going to impact our water. Say, Commissioner Bush, what did I say? I don't know. I I don't know. That's what I'm asking. Oh, something about text amendments and Yeah. So, they've sent us two text amendments, but we don't none of us seem to fully understand what they're actually trying to do. They he he presented to you all in executive session. You had the ability to ask him anything you wanted. Which day was that? Yeah. That was the other thing though. No, that was this. He came He came to executive session and presented to you all. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You had the opportunity to ask anything you wanted. Ask him about anything you wanted. You were here. I mean, all that aside, I mean, okay. Well, I get bitched at if I ask too many questions. I get bitched at if I don't ask enough questions. So, nobody's complaining at all. And I've got an email from you saying I should have asked more questions, but then I've got Whatever. Let's just vote and get it over with. We have a motion. I don't understand. I mean, you're you're you're complain to me that I don't ask enough questions and then we have side conversations. Then you complain to me that I asked too much questions. I have never complained to you about either. Really? Again, nice. Nice. Well, I mean, let's not lie.

I'm not lying. I've never seen you ask too many questions. I've never on the phone and you did not complain once. You started out complaining. No, I was complaining about the lack of truthfulness if you want to know the truth. But let's please let's call for a question. Somebody call I would suggest that because you probably don't want that in the public. I'm sorry. We are uh we're going to call for a vote. I'm sorry. I'm going to ask for a roll call vote. Kathy, mayor, can I ask the attorney one more thing? Yes. Oh, please. I'm asking your advice since it's already went over. Do we need to vote on this? You have to vote now. Okay. It's been a motion and a second and it's I mean

I mean under Robert's rules of orders, you have to vote. That's not stop my question though. Even if we vote, are we doing anything wrong since we've already sent the text? I mean, all I could do is send it over there. If you all vote to termit to to withdraw your your suggestion for them to do something on it, all I can do is send it over there and ask them if I mean here's what you all voted. Okay. You all already done something on your own or not. I I don't know that because I just don't know, Commissioner. I I'm telling you as honest as I know how to tell you. Thank you. Okay, we have a motion and a second and we'll ask for a roll call vote. Commissioner Pal,

what what was the motion? So, it was to not send the text amendment regarding the data centers to planning and zoning to pull back to pull that back for further discussion until we can fully understand the total scope of the project. Order to retract it to retract it to retract the text amendments that we have sent to planning and zone. What? So, if you vote if you vote yes, we would pull that back. We still have the final vote. Yeah. I'm I'm in I'm in favor of the text amendment. That doesn't guarantee anything. And and the bottom line, we still control whatever happens. I'm I'm in favor of what we done.

So, is that a yes or a no? Yes. Yeah. Commissioner, will you restate your vote, please? Was it a yes or a no? Let's let's if I may suggest let's do a roll call where we are. I'm asking Commissioner Pal for his vote and if you would like for me to come back to you, I'll go to Commissioner. Well, I I'm not in favor of calling it back. So, Commissioner Bush, yes. Mayor Dixon, I vote yes to not to res to not resend it. It would be no. You mean we vote no? It would be no. It would be no.

A no. No vote. Okay. Let's let's clarify. A vote of yes resends it. A vote of no does not. Yeah. No. Okay. Thank you. Commissioner McCra. Yes. Commissioner Stewart. No. And I'm going to come back to you, Commissioner P. All right. Thank you. That's Yeah. I didn't want I didn't want to get conf I didn't want to get confused though and I wanted to make clear motion that was confusing. Um that motion did not pass.

Thank you Kathy. And now I am going to move on to uh other commission business uh that we're to bring up. Uh I did uh I did receive a uh as as you all know by ordinance we uh we are require we have a uh joint meeting schedule for the uh 21st and we're required by ordinance to either uh do that or or cancel it. And I did have a u I did have a u uh Judge Barnes sent me uh uh on Friday uh afternoon a u just a a request wanting to know if we plan to meet and by ordinance we have to decide whether we are or whether we're not. And the two items that he mentioned were uh uh just wanted to check and see if you had if you had anything for the joint meeting agenda on October 21st. Uh I would think the fire department personnel is a fair conversation and also PNZ could be another topic. U I would like to expound on that a little bit. uh I really see no need to meet because the two topics that are on the uh agenda have been discussed uh they have been discussed thoroughly and uh uh I I personally see uh I personally see no reason to meet and I did send uh because for several reasons it's expensive uh and we have to pull our people out of office to go over there so and it's expensive to do that And if we had something to talk about or discuss or take care of would be different, but I don't see a need for that since we have since we have had discussion, thorough discussion on those on both of

those uh those uh items. So, I did send uh Judge Barnes a uh comment. Judge, I really don't think I have anything to discuss right now. And I think both of the issues you proposed are taken care of. We have the fire department personnel funded and the agreement our commission wanted in place and uh we just had a we had a pretty full discussion on that issue with the fire uh chief and ambulance director at our last meeting and I do not know of anything we need to discuss on PNZ right now either. So, of those two items that have been taken care of, I see no need for us to meet and I would ask for a motion to to uh cancel that meeting on our part.

Well, I thought I thought we required by ordinance to meet twice a year with the county unless it's canled. Unless Okay. I mean, I don't see reason any reason to cancel it. I don't understand why we can't, mayor. Other than the uh other than the two uh two topics that he made that brought up, did he elaborate on either one of them? Is he just kind of No, sir. It's kind of openended, you know, have a No, sir. No, sir. I have the email. No, no, it's it's it's just he he asked if we had Yeah. And it was And it's personnel, fire department, and That's correct. And planning his own. That's correct. And

as you know, we took care of the, as most of you know, we took care of those two items. I agree. Mayor Question for Scott, since we have that ordinance, what do we need to do? Cancel it. Just vote to cancel it. Yeah, if you make a motion to that you want to cancel it, you can cancel it by motion of the commission.

And I agree, mayor, the the planning, the zoning, obviously, we just put that in place. We are not changing that right now. I mean, we could talk about that for four hours if we sit here. And the second part, the fire department, which I'm very happy about, we've added another person and as everyone heard, they're going to start they're going to start start responding with EMS to certain critical calls, which is going to be a great thing. So, that's in place. I just don't see the need at this time. Um, actually, that doesn't go into effect till December the 1. So, we haven't even got to that next step yet. Uh, maybe in the future. I'm open for entertainment for more options, but currently I have to agree with you. Mayor, you want to make a motion to

We have a motion by Commissioner McQuary. I second. Mayor, we have a second by Commissioner Stewart. Uh Kathy, we will have a role and and to clarify, the motion is to cancel our regular meeting scheduled for Monday, October 21st. Our regular joint meeting Tuesday, I think Tuesday. It is Tuesday. It is It is Tuesday. Kathy, if you don't have there based sorry based on reasoning of there's no new topics of discussion. I mean that's just my motion. Commissioner Bush. Thank you. Any further discussion? Do we have a second? We do have a second by Commissioner Stewart. Stewart.

We'll have a roll call vote. Commissioner Pal. Yes. Yes. Commissioner Bush. No. Mayor Dixon, yes. Commissioner McCra, yes. Commissioner Stewart, yes. And that motion passes. Thank you very much, Kathy. And at this point, I will ask for a motion to u adjourn. So move. We have to finish our our you want. We're going to finish the commission I mean commissioner's business. We stop with you, Mayor. Any additional commissioner's business? No, there's no additional No, I have no additional comments or business. So, he made the motion. I second it.

We have a motion by Commissioner P Pal and a second by Commissioner Bush to ajourn. All in favor? I I And any opposition to that? I think is does Commissioner Bush have any other time? Yes. And Jamie got an opportunity. Too late. I did. Anything you want to say? Too late. Well, I guess we left it. You're right. You broke something. You can take it up with a bite.