Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

to order the PNZ commission meeting on Monday, December 8th, 2025 at 6 PM. We will have the invocation by Commissioner Yokum and the pledge of allegiance by Commissioner Club. Please rise if you're able to. Heavenly Father, may your goodness and love be present today. Please bless our gathering with hope, unity, and vision. Bless our men and women in uniform around the world who protect us and who secure our freedom. Build in us mutual respect for each other so that our mission may be one. We pray for your vision. May it fill our thoughts as you guide us, stir our hearts, and renew our faith in what we are about to do. We ask all of this in your name. Amen. United States one nation indivisible with liberty for all.

Thank you, commissioners. Uh before we go to roll call, I just want to introduce our newest commissioner, uh Chad Whittle. Uh he joins us for our last meeting of the year. Thank you. Appreciate that. Pleasure being here. I don't think it's roll call. Commissioner Brim here. Commissioner Robertson here. Commissioner Clo here. Chair Singleton here. Commissioner Yokum here. Commissioner Thomas. Commissioner Whittle

here. We have a quorum. Thank you. That'll take us to the call to the public. If you wish to speak, please complete a speaker card and submit it to the chairman prior to the start of the meeting. The procedures to follow if you address the commission are commission requests that you express your ideas in three minutes or less and refrain from any personal attacks or derogatory statements about any city employee, a fellow citizen, or anyone else, whether in the audience or not. The chairman will limit discussion whenever he deems such an action appropriate to the proper conduct of the meeting. I did not have any speaker cards, but is there anybody in the public that would like to come forward and speak? Seeing none, I will close the call to the public. That'll take us to item 4.1, minutes. Commissioners, any questions, comments, concerns over the minutes. Do I have a motion to approve?

Motion to approve. I have a motion by Commissioner Robertson. Do I have a second? Second. I have a second by Commissioner Bram. All in favor say I. I.

All opposed. That motion passes. That takes us to well we don't have public hearings or consent agenda. So uh that'll take us to regular agenda 7.1 Z25-05. This is a public hearing. A request by Westwood professional services applicant on behalf of Porter 20 LLC owner to reszone 3.6 acres from general business CB2 zone to the general commercial GC zoning district. The subject site is generally located 0.13 miles 712 ft east of the southwest corner of North Porter Road and West Honeyut Road. This is for discussion and action. Take it away Lorie.

All right. Good evening um chair uh commissioners, members of the public. Lorie Mason, Planning Division Development Services, um for record number Z25-05. Um, as as the chair mentioned before, uh, this is the applicant is Westwood Professional Services on behalf of the property owner, Porter 20 LLC. Um, as mentioned before, this is just east of the southeast corner of uh, West Honeyut Road and North Porter Road on approximately 3.6 acres. This reszone request is is seeking to reszone from the CB2 general business zone to the municipal zoning district general commercial to permit the use of a car wash. The APN for this parcel just please note the size of this parcel 510.71.016H. Again, this is Westwood requesting reszone to general commercial. You can see on your your map can the additional pink parcels that you have uh the commission has forwarded favorable approval to the council earlier in 2025. I just want to note that this request meets the general plan objective uh B1.4.6 to to move all of the county legacy zoning districts into current municipal zoning districts. Uh I do have a blank page here. I just want to note this is a reszone request, an entitlement request only, but uh in the spirit of bringing to you everything that we have um in our possession on this project, I'll I'll just walk through the site plan with you. And so here I want to show you just where it's located just along Honeyut

Road. Whisker for for this parcel is is to the east. We have an access easement off of Honeyut Road as well as uh from Circle K. And the CCV property is is um bounded to the south. Um you may know to yourself this doesn't look like 3.6 acres and that's true. This is about one 1.25 acres, one and a half acres they're looking to develop for a car wash. This isn't this this will have to go through a lot split before any um permits are issued by the city. And there's a fire lane that they've added here. This is non-public. I'm not sure what the what the surface will be. Just going to note that here. And I'm trying to pull down some arrows to show you what the general circulation will be. I I don't have because it's preliminary. I don't have any any final plans from the rest of the divisions and development services. This is complete first review. We're still having engineering, planning, fire, building. Uh looking at this and then the car wash itself is under 5,000 square feet. I think these elevations uh provided by the applicant work nicely. You can see the north and the west side as well as the south and the east sides. Uh this won't be the final look. Um but this will give you um some some background into what this project may look like. The landscapecape planned we have an open space requirement in commercial districts of 10%. The applicant is providing two 32% um more marking 32 trees 211 shrubs. We're adding improving the sidewalk along the west side and connect to the sidewalk along Honeyut. So, we're improving the pedestrian connectivity

there or would would be should this should this be approved. Uh, and five parking islands that will be landscaped. The staff analysis for for this project, we're looking to see if this request meets the um conforms with the general plan and what the general plan is asking. The general plan we do have uh three policy objectives listed that you know this will promote commercial along arterials mere neighborhood nodes. We're asking um you know does this encourage the location of neighborhood commercial and mixed uses adjacent to reg residential communities and will this uh transition zoning designations to the city municipal zoning codes? Uh for your review for the commission to decide here is uh is this uh zoning map amendment consistent with the general plan? Um does it does it achieve the balance of land uses? Does it increase the inventory of of commercial properties in in it commercial zoning districts, commercial uses along this area? And will this amendment pro promote the growth of the city in an orderly manner that protects the public health, safety, peace, and welfare? I'll just note that um all along Honeyut Road, you may know, is is all CB2 zone. We sort of have a flurry of CV2 zones on the south side of Honeyut. Um we find that that general commercial fits perfectly uh the public outreach. The applicant had mailed the notifications and coordinated with staff. The notice was published on the city website. I'm not sure if everyone knows. I'd just like to add that there are large QR codes on these signs that we ask the applicants to place that members of the public can simply take a take a you know image of that and and it'll take it right to the city website for um on the um public notice page. On the same day the applicant had placed the sign. So, we

tried to coordinate that nicely for for the public. Uh, the legal notice went out on October 21st and that notice informed the public of the neighborhood meeting, the the commission date and the council date. We asked the applicant to try and reach out to more residents and they published uh were able to publish in the Maricopa monitor as well as it listed the tonight's meeting as well as the council meeting in January. regarding the neighborhood meeting. Um, we didn't just I'll just quickly note that I haven't received anything from from the public since the neighborhood meeting, but um, regarding the neighborhood meeting, two members of the public attended and had general questions about the development of the site. Um, and there was a little bit of concern if if proposals are indeed analyzed and approved on a case-by case basis. They were a little bit concerned that some of these things get rubber stamped. So, um, my response to to these, um, residents was because it meets the staff finds that because it meets the, um, intent of the general plan as well as the, um, the fit and the use and and the location that it's at, that staff would go ahead and recommend approval to you, the commission. And that's the end of my staff report. Does the commission have any questions?

Thank you, Lorie. Um, this is a public hearing, so I will open that up. If anybody in the audience would like to come forward to speak about this item, please step forward. Seeing none, I will close the public hearing. Commission, any questions, comments, concerns? Commissioner Yoken,

I I just have a a comment. We're we're deciding on zoning tonight and zoning only. And this had when the county had it zoned, it was zoned for the purpose in which at basically we're switching it over from the county zoning to the city of Maricopa zoning language. And in that respect, there are a lot of issues that I have that I don't think this is the time to discuss them. I just want to throw them out there. But we've looked at car washes before and one of the primary things we were concerned about was sound and noise buffers were appropriate. Uh, also hours of operation that they didn't go too late since they are right across the street from the housing lights. I don't know. Now, supposedly they're going to be 7 a.m. to to 8:00 p.m. Uh, and also landscaping. I think all of those issues will be discussed at at the next level when we look at this. But, uh, so I as far as the zoning is concerned, I have no problem with that. Any other commissioners?

Well, just one other comment too. I I looking at the ingress egress I think does need additional attention. Thank you, Commissioner Robertson. Thank you for your presentation. Larry, could you go back to the the overall overhead view? Keep going. Keep going. Right there. Okay. So where you designate the fire lane, is that the actual road that's exists now that goes to the west from the Circle K? Yes, that yes lake road. Yes, Chair Commissioner Robertson, you can see barely on the west side of that image that that is what what sort of jumps out after

that road will become part of this property or they'll still be able to drive through. Sure. to get back out to chair Commissioner Robertson. I I noted in the staff report that this access easement was created I think 2017 um from Circle K to this site and then when the CCV property sort of carved out its space, it created that a second access from Honeyut Road. Okay. And I agree with what Commissioner Yam said. You know, this is zoning only, but this is our opportunity to give a little bit of feedback. And I was just wondering about that. Thank you. [clears throat] Commissioner Club

through the chair. Thank you, Lorie. Thanks. Um, is this the site that used to that was at one point zoned for was it panel federal credit union or something like that or is that panel? Sorry. But wasn't that credit union that was allocated on this site? That's uh farther east. That's farther. Okay. Um, couple things maybe kind of a housekeeping thing. Um, I didn't notice it. Maybe I didn't click on the right thing. These drawings that you're that you've shown here, they weren't they weren't in our packet.

So, uh, Chair, uh, Commissioner Clobe, I I just want to know the way that this sort of happened. You've routinely seen city initiated reszones from CB2 to to general commercial. Um, this came in as a DRP, as a site plan review, and it was at first review that it was noted that due to the uh need to reszone to the general commercial, we would have to request from the commission and council to reszone to general commercial to support that as our legal interprets the code now.

Okay. As I've said it a thousand times, I'll probably say it a thousand more. I always hate reasonzoning blank pieces of a property without some direction of where it's going. Um, and I understand the the wise and the hows and the who's, but I don't like it anymore. Um, since because of the size of this site, um, will we see this back again as as a site plan review or essentially is this our one and only shot to discuss issues regarding the site? Chair Commissioner Cl because of the I mean the strict 5,000 is usually when we bring that in for as anformational item to the commission. I don't anticipate a second meeting on this and kind of there lies my concern. Um because in seeing this the very first time and I think your next little image of that's on the screen now with all the arrows speaks volumes. And as someone who drives a full-size truck, this float pattern scares the hell out of me. Um, it's hard enough to get in and out of the car wash that's over by uh by Walmart with the way it kind of snakes, you know, out. Um, having everyone coming and going in the same drive is a my opinion is a terrible design. Um, and this site needs a a lot of help. Um, and I'm scared that it's just gonna go through. Um, so yeah, there we got neighbors to the north of it. We got we got new homes uh being built to the east of this, you know, with zero oversight of of kind of how this could

or could be affecting any of those people. I just have really strong concerns on on the use of the site and and how it's designed and how it's laid out. And I think it's going to be a mess. But I'll go back to the chair. Commissioners, any other questions, comments, concerns? Commissioner Whittle.

Thank you, Chair. I would have to agree with both of my commissioners as well. You know, own seeing this map and owning a full-size truck, trying to navigate that and know that that's that's going to be really difficult. And a lot of our people in the city don't seem to have patience, which I yeah, I see that's going to be a disaster. I know it's a zoning, but you presented um and I know these are preliminary. Where exactly is the second point of ingress and egress on this diagram or is that the fire lane here?

Chair Singleton, that that is the access on the west side. there may be additional access as as this parcel area gets developed. So, is there going to be another development south to it? Because this isn't the full 3 point whatever acres, right, Chair Singleton? That's correct. Uh this is the west side of one about one and a half acres of the 3.6. The rest of the property will um meet with Honeyut and Whisker. So, you do see the trash enclosure to the south. We do expect some circulation in that south area, but as far as access and ingress, eress, primarily will be that west side.

Okay, that's going to be my next question is the trash on the south side. There's currently no road there. Um, so because that borders up against the church, um, if I remember correctly. Um, yeah, a little concerning that this doesn't come back to us, right? Um, I know technically they can build it right now. They don't have to come here for zoning, right? Um, but it's a little concerning that this doesn't come back to us for a final review. I also drive an F-150 and I purposely don't take it to any of these car washes in town because like Commissioner Club said, getting out of the one by the Walmart, I am four-wheel driving over everything because of how it's situated. Um, and so pushing everybody out this one, you know, point of ingress and egress for me isn't ideal. Um, but like I started off, it's zoning. Um, and circling back to that when the reszone for the terrible just a little west of this, I had asked why didn't we get more people in this section involved? Because I think that alleviates some of the concern of just peacemailing these zoning requests, right? It's it's easier for us to conceptualize, okay, yep, we're going to just reszone everything just like we did south of the train tracks you for Lowe's and all of that. And I was told nobody's on board, but here we are a month later with somebody on board. Um, so I think that and I I

know it's hard to I guess maybe anticipate this, but it would be nice to see some of these that are so close together be grouped together so we're not having, you know, all these separate meetings and agenda items just for the same thing. Um, it would be ideal to see this just, hey, if we're going to reszone 10 acres along Honeyut because we know Honeyut's going to be the commercial corridor. I know Circle K doesn't have a carrot to, you know, change zoning. They're already built, but as these new developments come in, it'd be nice to see them come in all together instead of one by one. So, that's just my request to staff um to try to alleviate the amount of agenda items that we have for pretty much duplicate requests. Um but yeah, I've kind of voiced my concerns of the preliminary site plan given to us. I would also ask that this preliminary site plan then I guess be added to Legisar since it was presented to us here. I think the public should also have access to it even if it is preliminary. Um but yeah, I will give it back to commissioners if they have any questions, comments, concerns.

I said one thing I wanted to get back on, you know,

is you had said you'd you'd understand that that Circle K doesn't have a carrot here, but this is Circle K. Circle K owns this entity that you know is developing this car wash. So Circle K does have a stake in this. Um, but I I I agree with what you said. You know, it would be nice to these little spot zoning. Um, even though we're reszoning, um, as a design professional, it just creates, you know, years from now as as I come into these projects that people are gone that made the decisions and then we got this little tiny box that is zoned this and we want to change it to that. it's not what the neighborhood has and and it just becomes problematic. I'm not saying that's what this is, but it just these spot zoning situations just create headaches for the design community down the road. Um I've had to clean up a lot of messes in my day. Um, and so yeah, especially with with such a major corridor that is being developed, uh, I wish there was a way we could be a little more proactive uh, with this uh, instead of peacemealing it. Commissioner Robertson, [clears throat]

for the benefit of the public, I think it is important to reiterate what uh chairman said that regardless of the action we take tonight, it doesn't stop this project. Is that correct? This is strictly reszone. Chair Singleton, Commissioner Robertson, this reszone is um will have to be approved in order for the the site plan to to Okay. So, it couldn't be built under the existing zoning. That's right.

Okay. That that was a point of clarification because it was stated that it could happen anyway. Um I'll say it again. I've said it before to steal your your thunder about a thousand times. um we are out of the loop to a large extent when it comes to final plats now and with DRPs. So this is the only really chance we get to look at these things. So I hope that staff listens to the comments um and and when you meet with the developer um you review some of those things and maybe push our agenda a little bit and and ask for improvements to the concern areas of traffic flow and and the like because this is the only chance we have. We don't vote up or down um on the actual DRP anymore or the um the final plat. Thank you. Any other questions, comments, concerns from the commission. Seeing none, this is a discussion and an action. So, I will ask the commission. Do I have a motion to approve Z25-05?

Motion to approve. I have a motion to approve from Commissioner Robertson. Do I have a second? Second. I have a second from Commissioner Yokum. All in favor say I. I. All opposed. I nay. That motion passes.

Well, I I approve the denial. [laughter] That will take us to item 7.2 DRP25-28. This is just a planning commission update major development review permit case DRP25-28. Your request from Tim Resnaki of Archagon Architecture and Interiors LLC on behalf of property owner Maropa 30 LLC for review of site landscape elevation and phototric plans for a proposed convenience store and gas station on approximately 1.6 6 acres of land within Panel County parcel number 510-71-001F and 510-71-00001D within the city of Maropa generally located at the southwest corner of West Honeyut Road and North White and Parker. This is discussion only. Derek, take it away.

Thank you, chairman. Uh Derek Sheer with the uh planning division of the development services department presenting next item on your agenda. This is DRP25-28. This is anformational item for the development of a um convenience store with uh fuel canopy and fuel service station. Uh the applicant is Archicon Architecture and Interiors LC on behalf of Dorito Partners and the property owner. Location here is uh the southwest corner of West Honeyut Road and North White and Parker Road just up the street from City Hall. Project area is approximately 1.6 six uh acres plus or minus. Uh the proposal is for a development review permit. This is a major development review permit uh because the convenience store is over 5,000 square feet. So, it's being presented to the commission as anformational item. Uh as we can see on the right, uh proposed site plan. This is the actual color landscape plan to give a little more pop for uh everyone to see. uh site access. There will be one full access from West Honeyut Road which is all the way on the left of that uh plan. Uh that is uh sufficient distance from the signalized uh North White and Parker Road and Honey West Honeyut Road intersection. Uh per our uh engineering standards, you have to be about a quarter mile away from uh an intersection to have a full access. Uh those are our standards for uh safe ingress and egress. Full access meaning right in, right out. Uh and then left in, left out as well. Uh moving eastward along Honeyut Road on the north of that site plan, you'll see a second entrance there. Uh that is only a right in right out entrance. Uh that is too close to this signal. Uh then also with the development here uh on West Honeyut Road heading eastward and then southward, there's going to be a turn lane. So that right only will uh empty into that right only lane and then have to cross over

any other uh lanes of traffic to be able to go continue eastward or then to be able to make a left and turn north on uh White and Parker Road. Um going down North White and Parker Road on the south we have uh one three/4er access. That first access you see right by where it says north white that is a threequarter access. That means uh right in, right out, left in but no left out. Uh and then moving further down uh all the way at the bottom of the image that you see there uh after the trees that is another uh full access in and out. Sorry, that is the 3/4 access and the other one north of it is the right. My apologies. Uh construction of the site uh will consist of a 5,400 uh square foot convenience store for a 7-Eleven with a 3200 uh square foot fuel canopy that'll sit above six dualsided pumps. So we'll have 12 pumps alto together. Parking for 46 vehicles, including the spaces at the fuel pumps, is being provided. Landscaping is being provided all around the site with approximately 14,000 almost 15,000 square feet of landscaping for 21% of the area being landscaped with 33 trees. The development will occur in a single phase. Uh the remainder of the white area that you see on that site plan um that is to be developed in the future. Uh we do have uh points for interconnection between these. Uh we do not know what uh will be proposed in the future, but with these access points being established where this is being located up in the corner of the site, uh it'll be developed to create access to that other area when it does get developed. Okay. Uh architectural renderings of the site. Uh here we can see the black and white images. I think I had uploaded the color ones, but I guess they didn't make it into this presentation. So, uh, if you can recall the few weeks ago 7-Eleven, or actually it was a while ago, you may have seen the 7-Eleven that

is, uh, across from the Lowe's. 7-Eleven is, uh, jumping into the community with both feet, uh, opening up, uh, two locations here in town. Um, this is the second of the two locations. Uh, very typical architecture of, uh, modernist style for 7-Eleven. the applicant and um the design uh uh consultants are here uh if you have any questions about the design and the material usage and everything like that. Uh they can get into further detail than I could. Um so there we have the north and south and then the east and west elevations here. Uh all of the cabinets, SCES cabinets that you see there on that uh westside image that uh is on the top there, those will be painted to match the background color of the building. So it'll be camouflaged and not uh stick out as much. Here we have uh architectural renderings of the fuel canopy. Um this fuel canopy, uh this is the first review that we're looking at it. We do require that the canopies have articulation for vertical articulation. So, it won't be that flat roof going all the way across. They're going to have to incorporate some other elements into it that'll have up and down movement along that canopy. Um, the proposed development uh will be consistent with the general plan. Uh, there is an a reszone needed for this property. Prior to any approval of this, uh, the proposal will meet all requirements of the zoning ordinance. This is the first review of it. Comments have gone out to the applicant. Uh, On November 21st, uh the notification letters were sent to property owners within 600 feet. Uh on same day the site was posted, staff received one uh letter and email opposing the proposal uh which is in the uh commission's packet as exhibit F to the staff memo. And I'm happy to answer any questions and the applicant team is here as well. Thank you.

Thank you, Derek. Commissioners, questions, comments, concerns? I'm start on the right side this time. Commissioner Robertson, [clears throat]

this intersection is probably one of the poorest designed intersections in the city. School buses hit the guardrail on the opposite side because they can't turn. Trucks have hit it because you can't turn. A semi, if you've ever watched a semi try to turn any direction, especially from eastbound Honeyut onto southbound White and Parker. There's a utility pole that I got there and stood next to today. That's literally about 18 inches from the edge of the road and that that's a light traffic light stansion that was put in by the city when we put the light up. So, it was poorly designed from the city. I noticed in the package it says that the light will stay where it's at, but it also says we're going to add a turning lane there, I think. So, I'm not sure how we're going to add the turning lane with that light still stay in there. And it also says the existing curb and gutter exists. There is no curb and gutter there. So it's a little fallacy in the in the package. Um so I'm not sure I guess the question is has this gone through the technical advisory committee yet?

Yes, this went through uh the TAC technical advisor public works or engineering have any concern about the intersection?

Yes. A lot of discussion uh sorry chairman Singleton uh Commissioner Robertson a lot of discussion between the applicants development team and uh city engineer have been ongoing uh for the development of this corner and what is needed uh what deficiencies there are that the city is responsible for and then what deficiencies will be increased that the applicant and the developer will be responsible for for fixing. Uh some of the deficiencies are like you noted at that corner uh putting in the turn lane. White and Parker Road is a tight road although it seems wide because it has easements on the the east side uh from um EPS sorry APS. Uh so it's being it has been developed on the west side of the road. If you look when you're driving north, you'll see just past city hall, you'll see manholes that are just sticking up out of the dirt.

That's the ultimate width of the road going all the way out there. Those manholes will be in the road at some point in the future. When the properties north of city hall, north of LCO develop, they'll be responsible for the half street improvements. And as you can see at city hall, White Parker does a slight little lane shift like that. That'll be widened out up here. This is that little portion of it. that whole big farm field that you see on the right side of uh North White and Parker there, when that gets developed, all of that's going to shift over. Yep.

Uh and so it is a piece by piece uh because the property owners are responsible for developing those halfstream improvements in front of their property. So sometimes it does take time and it does create bottleneck situations or unwanted situations at times, but the ultimate plan is there for how it'll be fully laid out. And that also continue uh going westward uh sorry eastward on West Honeyut Road because as you know right when you get at that intersection the bottlenecks heading all the way east north side of Honeyut Road that is not in our jurisdiction yet that is still county land um and uh we don't have the control over that yet but at some point in the future we will.

Okay. All right. Um just carry our message forward that intersection needs some work. Thank you. Commissioner Club through the chair. Derek, thanks for your presentation. Um, just have a couple comments on this. Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't colored renderings part of the major development review? They are. Requirement, Chair Singleton, uh, Commissioner Club, they are. Uh, they weren't in the first review and that was one of our comments. I was emailed them this morning and I loaded them up, but I think when we grabbed the PowerPoint for today, it wasn't from the uh 128 commission folder.

Uh it might have been on a jump drive already and my apologies for that.

No, I completely understand. And this is one of those I think I think our last meeting we talked about another another project that a a threedimensional rendering I think would really give the design justice. the the design of of of this building I think falls in that same category. Um the the flat two-dimensional elevations that are here it it makes it look blah but I think that you know once some color is added once you actually view it in three dimensions with shadows and so on that it it you know it starts to bring it to life again. Um, and so I' I'd just like to see more of that, you know, going forward. The other one is another kind of a housekeeping thing is as we get into these, and we've had several of them this year, um, where along these major roads, uh, or right in, right out, uh, at some point there's going to be, you know, a median, uh, or, you know, some type of separation in the major roads. It would be nice if if the city or the applicant or both could could coordinate a little bit of where those are going to be. A to help visualize um kind of what's happening. Um is there a need for a pork chop here? Is there not a need for a pork chop here? Um and I think it just kind of helps it helps me visualize kind of what what's going on. I'm sure that it would help the the community as they see these uh these projects they once they hit social media and and our friends at in Maricopa you know posted up there and and you know the first thing this image people are going to see is oh everyone's going to be turning left straight out of there. Well kind of like what they do at Circle K now. Um and we're trying to

avoid that. We're going to solve that problem. I think being proactive to show people, hey, we don't have a problem here. We've already solved it. Um, I think would be beneficial. Um, overall, I think it's it's, you know, a good use for the site. Uh, there was a discussion about next door to the to the west of this, I think it was, uh, wasn't that a wasn't there a commercial development that we approved earlier this year for that?

Chair Singleton, Commissioner Clobe. Um there have been several proposals I've seen but nothing official uh submitted more of just sort of inquiries. Uh it's gone from commercial it's gone uh I believe years ago was a a multif family aspect to it and uh having these connected. I do not know what the property owner and developers have in mind at this point. Um hopefully it would be commercial to make this a solid commercial corner because it is the intersection of two artillery roads. Is isn't that where that Zeke's Pizza was going to go? That is further west. It's a little to the west. Okay. Yeah, this is all the way the end of the seven ranch. Oh, is it? Okay. My my error then.

Um, yeah, just those two housekeeping items that I think that you know would really kind of help uh help the process a lot. Absolutely. Point taken. Thank you,

Commissioner. Yum. Yeah, I I agree with the various comments that have been made. But one thing that struck me tonight, our next item of discussion is design guidelines. And when I review this product, I'm looking at the AR Archicon architecture inter and interiors memo. And they tell us that the this design is going to include stuckco material, metal siding, woodlook fiber, cement board, anodized aluminum storefront, spandro glazing, and I think that is helping us to get away from this warehouse look that we see in so many of the buildings, especially the earlier construction in our community. And I think it dubtales with what we're going to be looking at in our next topic. Just wanted to make that in that that point. Thank you. Any other commissioners questions, comments, concerns?

No.

I have a couple. Um, I don't know if you'll know this or the applicant. How far are the canopies going to be from the the road? The only reason why I ask, and it's come up in other uh gas station discussions, is light pollution from the canopies into the neighborhood um just north of it. Um there is a house south of this, southwestish. Um so just kind of curious on that because people have brought up that's going to keep me up all night because of various reasons. Um and then I believe you said where the word west honeyut and then north that in those are right in right outs right.

The closest to the corner are right in right outs.

So I'm not seeing anything that stops anybody from turning left. And I have seen numerous times at the Circle K just to the west where there is something to stop people turning left, they still do. Um, so I would like to see that unless there is a median going in on West Honeyut Road or North Whiten Parker, but at this time I don't know of any. Plus, White and Parker is one lane each way, unfortunately. Um, but yeah, I would like to see something put in place that would mitigate our residents from trying to turn left um at either one of these um points of egress. And then just confirming on the east side, they are going to continue the sidewalk all the way down to the end of their of that development. I'm getting a nod yes from the applicant. Okay.

Yes. Um and then there's no half street improvement needed for them other than the sidewalk and landscaping there or will there be?

There is some commissioner uh Singleton there is some uh development that is being required. Uh currently the image that you're seeing uh is going to be changed with those entrances. The throat depths are throat depth being from the road coming into where the drive is inside the site. They're not deep enough for uh uh our city standards. Minimum is 50 ft. Uh the city because of the traffic situation here. Uh I believe they were requesting 80 feet and they were in discussions with the applicant on redesigning and making that throat depth deeper because uh we do not want another situation similar to we have say Taco Bell uh on John Wayne Parkway that that's probably the worst example that we have in the city. But many other examples where there is not that depth of throat where cars leaving there's not enough to stack or cars entering coming in hot off the road be able to fully get down to that 5 to 10 miles an hour driving inside a parking lot. Um let's see what other questions. Um I'm assuming yes but for the public uh mitigation of runoff oil everything. I was reading the uh letter of opposition and that's one of the concerns from residents is you know oil gas running off leaking in. Um can you kind of describe what that looks like here and if there is any storm water runoff that is going to be contained.

Uh Chairman Singleton, uh that is beyond my purview as a planner. That's more of a a commercial building plans examiner or contractor. We do have regulations on that and in the building codes there are regulations and the state has the department of environmental quality has regulations on containing that and when spills happen or oil leaks or anything like that. Uh clean keeping that site clean and separating the on-site runoff from off-site runoff so that anything when it rains pooling kicking up those oils on the site will go down into their own uh drainage uh basins. And those basins in this plan, they're going to be subsurface and they'll have the the basically a grease trap uh similar to like a restaurant, but it's for these types of uses that catches that before it goes into the actual u subterranean uh basin and then doesn't get down into our soils beneath.

Thank you, commissioners. Any other questions, comments, concerns? All right. And we will move on to item 7.3 PZ25-03. Uh this is for miscellaneous items. City of Maroba non-residential design guidelines. This will be presented by Rick Williams, planning and zoning division manager. Take it away, Rick. Oh, this is discussion only, by the way, guys. No action items. Let me just

Thank you, chairman. Uh members of the commission. Um Rick Williams here, planning manager. Uh before you uh this evening, I I set out uh the very first draft of our non-residential guidelines. Um, and we wanted to get those in front of you going into the holiday season, uh, to give you something to chew on while you're sitting around having the eggnog or something. But what we've done is, you know, through our our residential processes, we have the non-res or we have the single family residential design guidelines. uh for our multif family. Um as we've been before you numerous times, we have the multif family uh design guidelines. However, what we haven't had was a good set of non-residential design guidelines. So, we're looking at a lot of things going on right now. We've got the um we've got the general plan update going on right now. We're going to be getting into the uh the U Maricopa zoning ordinance shortly thereafter. Um and then we wanted to bring these in as well. So when you look at it, you know, in the in the planning process, we talk about entitlement a lot, you know, and then we move into the conceptual site planning phase and and and again, we're talking about commercial development here, you know, and from there, um, we have basically relied on our ordinance to give us any teeth, give us the tools necessary to work with these developers as they're coming in. Uh we have been needing a a set of design guidelines coming in so that in the very beginning of the process when we're getting into site plan um pre-application meetings we can sit down with the developers and the

construct constructors uh then and make sure that we've accurately you know and articulated uh the requirements that are coming before them. So, uh, and then once we get past that stage, we go into the, uh, the construction drawings, their building plans, things of that nature. So, let me tell you a little bit about how we, um, how we put this document together. It started about 18 months ago. Um, maybe a little bit more. We took a look at every city in the valley, uh, Phoenix, Mesa, Gilbert. I won't read them all, but I mean, we went through every city's set of non-residential design guidelines that we could find and most every city out there has these. Uh, what we then did was we took that and we broke it down into different categories and then we started crafting the document itself. And so as you go through it, you know, you it's it's it starts with the site design and we talk about layout, access, parking lots, sept, um landscaping, lighting, walls and fences. So there's a lot of different things that it hits on, you know. So then we get into the architectural form and design character, the building mass, you know, how the walls move, how the roofs move, uh storefront proportions, is it all glass, or is there materials mixed into it? Um, you know, and then colors and materials are are are a biggie going through. So, we haven't had those requirements before, but we've got a set of them now that we're starting with. Same thing with industrial. We know we just had the big industrial triangle. We don't have a whole lot of industrial in the city of Maricopa right now, but we do have some design guidelines that we're proposing and we've included those in in the packet that you have today. And it talks about the walls and forms,

facade articulation, roof planes, all the things that are necessary to create a visibly interesting uh building that we're on placing on site. And then we also have uh specific developments with respect to gas stations and car washes, drive-through facilities, uh office complexes and other commercial buildings exceeding 50,000 square feet, which we don't have a whole lot of that right now, but we will in the future. You know, we don't have a shopping center right now, but we will in the future. And you know, so we felt like it was important that we go ahead and we include that in now so that we're ready when it when it starts to show up. Maybe two years, maybe five years. You know, it could be the vestar piece, you know, that uh was recently reszoned across from Auction. Um and any other additional largescale retail that comes in as well. So what are the next steps? Um my goal was to get it to y'all here this evening. Um, as I said, it is a rough draft. We just completed that. Got it all put together. Got it back from the other side of city hall here. Um, it is not a perfect document. There are clearly some things we're going to need to clean up on that. But what I'd like for y'all to do is is go through, take a look at the text. We're going to change some of the pictures. There's a couple of things we need to reword in here. Um, but I'd really like to get your feedback on this. Um, we're creating a a developer review. There are numerous developers that are doing business here in Maricopa right now that we've got some good um um relationships with. So, we're going to send this out to um probably somewhere six to 10 um uh folks that are developing in the city of Maricopa right now to have them take a

look at it as well. uh we'd like to post a draft on the city website, you know, somewhere around February 2nd. The reason I did not put this, you know, in your packets is because it it's not ready for publication yet. Um there are some clearly when you see it, there's, you know, some formatting things that we're going to need to change. Uh we're thinking uh back before the planning commission somewhere around March 9th. Uh once we've gotten your comments back and we've gotten the developer comments back, we'll we'll one more run through it, send it upstairs, you know, for one last view, and then we're hoping to have that back in front of you for a full discussion somewhere around March 9th. Um city council uh study session uh second week in in March and then possibly um uh council adoption on April 21st. Uh, the one thing that I would say is is that we're not we're we're not being pushed by this. Um, so we won't take it. Every every date you see up there right now is well, except for tonight is uh is tentative if it needs to be. So, we're going to make sure we get it right, get you all's comments back, solicit some out uh outsource comments, and then keep this thing moving forward. So, I'm hoping either late first quarter, early second quarter, um we'll be back before you in front with a finished document that um we'll release to the public at that time and I'll be happy to answer any questions. Commissioners, I know we just got the packet in equations, comments, concerns over this item. I'm not expecting necessarily questions over what was in the packet,

right? But Commissioner Whittle, I do have a question. When you guys went out and asked these other cities, how did ours plans look compared to their plans?

Um, chairman, commissioner, we don't have plans right now. And that's part of the battle we fight every day with folks coming in to build uh uh commercial development here in the city of Maricopa. Um we're to the point now where I mean we're a rapid growing city. People want to come here and do business. It's time that we have a set of design guidelines like this. Uh I know uh Commissioner Clobe uh who is a design professional is shaking his head up there and and there are um it's time and the one thing I would say is that you know and I wanted to talk about the process and how we put this together because quite frankly when we when we send this out to the developer group we're expecting push back you know but there's not there's not a single requirement in that in those design guidelines that they haven't seen somewhere else. You know, it's we didn't make up any we didn't create any new standards. We simply went through looked at the different cities and found what worked best and that's what we've tried to incorporate in in that document. So I think it really is key to, you know, enhancing the communication with the developers, but creating an expectation for coming down and doing business here in the city of Maricopa.

Yeah, that was my point. I I wanted you to explain that we don't have one. So that way this is why we need to have one so we can be just like everybody else in the state.

Yep. Commissioner Yokious I'm sorry. When you went through the various guidelines that were that were uh that you researched that there were different cities and whatnot, I'm sure you saw a lot of unique and unusual, but you also probably saw some trends that c certain ideas or or situations that would seem to flow through all of the communities. Uh are you going to be concentrating on those or are you going to try be to be more innovative? Yeah, Chairman, Commissioner Yokum, I can give you a perfect example of uh of that. Um, in the city of Maricopa, we have a standard. I believe it's u it's either eight or 10 feet. And what we see is you step out of the car, you have the sidewalk, concrete all the way to the building itself, and then that's it. You know, then you with these requirements uh that we're adding in there, uh it requires foundation landscaping. So a certain percentage of the building has to have landscape in front of it. You know, typically where you walk into the building so that it's a it's a it's a pleasant, welcoming, aesthetically pleasing um uh place that we're creating. Um design guidelines are all all are all about feel. How does it feel? How does it function? That's what the premise behind these are. Um you know, how do you feel when you're in that area? How does it function? How does it people around. Are there pedestrian, you know, ballards in the right places? You know, same thing for parking lots. How do you move around in the parking lots? You know, why do you know, you walk into certain places in Gilbert and right in front of the store, it's a treelined shaded walkway all the way into the front of the Sprouts or whatever store it is. You know, we don't have those requirements here right now. And that's what that book right there is going to do. It's going to require development

from for the future to to step their game up. One uh you did hit on something which we don't have need for right now, but uh and that is when we have to attach parking garages to the various stores or other other units. Are you going to be putting anything any guideline for multi-layered parking?

Chairman, Commissioner Yokum. Uh yes, sir. There's a whole section in there in parking, parking structures, parking canopies. Um, you know, uh, just offhand, you know, any type of parking structure that's going to need to be developed. And we know that with the, you know, future Copper Sky development, you know, uh, there's going to be parking garages. Well, those parking garages now have to incorporate same type of design criteria that the main buildings do, you know, so that the colors and the materials and all of that match. So that the moment you pull into it, it it creates that sense of arrival, you know, and um you know, and that that fits back into the, you know, how does it feel, how does it look, how does it function? Um and that's what we tried to do with with those guidelines.

And and also, are we going to try to drift away from everything having sand color? [laughter] Sure. Thank you. Real quick to to tag on to that, uh, Panton released its preferred color for 2026, beige. Beige. So, just it just came out the other day. I rest my case. [laughter] Don't say that. True story. While I have the mic, do you mind if I continue? Go ahead.

Through the chair. Thank you. Um, Rick, I think this is long overdue. I think it's a great first step. Um, as someone who plays with these regulations on a daily basis, it's one been one of my biggest frustrations with this within the city of Maricopa for many many many years in that I designed I've told you I think several in the DAS here also know I designed some of the original homes that were built here back in early early 2000s and they were the same homes that were being built in Chandler and Gilbert and Surprise and Peoria and Queen Creek and so on. And when the developers came came to us and said, "Okay, we're going to build in Maricopa, all that stuff you put on the stone, the fancy colors, the gingerbread, the take all that garbage off. We don't do that here. Nobody cares." Right? And as a consumer and as someone who was looking for homes several years ago to to to move my family here, um I started seeing the 20-year-old ramifications of those decisions.

Y and there are areas in this in this community where there is a dividing line where it was without regulation with regulation across the street from each other. You got the A team, you got the B team. And we did a lot in Chandler where we we could actually see a tangible difference in sales prices, um, fewer EMS calls, fewer issues with with blighted properties when Chandler in the mid 90s went to their design guidelines. And we've had our residential design guides for a while. A couple years ago, we did the multif family and I think having the the the commercial is is uh overdue and and I'm looking forward to kind of digging into it and and providing a lot of feedback. Um as it relates to that feedback, can I get or can I shouldn't say I can we get a digital copy of of this? Uh

absolutely. I I do everything with PDFs so I can mark it up on the screens and I got big monitors and things like that. So yeah, I'll be uh chairman, commissioners, I'll be happy to send um I'll just I'll send out an email in the morning um with the uh PDF version of it and have at it. Awesome. But I wanted you to have it tonight so you could feel it, see it, touch it, you know, turn the page. Um I did notice there's a whole gas station section after we approved 27 gas stations in last month, but [laughter] I couldn't get it inest.

Thanks, Commissioner Robertson. Thank you, Rick. Uh, I agree. It's desperately needed. I'm curious. Um, absent of this right now, how do we get approvals is strictly just good old boy negotiation is how you're doing it right now,

Chairman? Um, Commissioner Robertson, that is absolutely how we do it now. We we push as far as we can push to get what, you know, uh, makes it look better. Um, you know, for example, you know, the roof planes. Um, you know, there's no reason in the world why a gas station has to be just a, you know, a 200 foot straight line across. You know, you can put movement in that. They do it all over the place in other cities, but we didn't have anything that gave us any teeth to be able to require that here. I don't know. You know, you had a a gas station come through uh on a DRP a couple of months ago and they had a really nice movement in their uh in their canopies. It's the little things that make it look quality. You know, it's the little things they can do that don't cost a lot of money that they can add to these sites that will bring character to the neighborhood, will bring value to the neighborhood. But more importantly, what it it does is it sets a standard for if you're going to build in Maricopa, this is how you're going to do it.

So the the current business model, does it ever cause delays in the project because it you don't have anything in place? Uh I don't know if I would say it it it um causes delays, but I would certainly characterize it as uh not having any leverage.

Yeah. you know, so I've got an ordinance that says you got to be 25 feet back, you got to be 30 feet in height, but I don't have anything that says, "Hey, you know what? You can't you can't build, you know, a a blob building with, you know, it just it ties our hands trying to get that development moving forward." And um and now's the time because this, you know, I I I think that things are going to start to happen over the next 5 10 years, you know, at a very rapid and and we we need these tools to um to be able to fight the good battle, I guess, is the best way.

So, you're looking looking for council approval probably in April or May, springtime. When when would it go into effect? Uh is that done by ordinance or resolution? 30 days. 30 days. Does it affect current projects in the pipeline that might still be a year out, but that they put in their application. We've been through some process already with some projects. This could occur before those project actually breaks ground. How does it affect that?

Commissioner, really good question. Um, you know, as soon as we really have these in the pipeline so we get y'all's comments back, we get, you know, the builder forum folks back, you know, we're really able to get to where we're, you know, fine-tuning the final document. We'll start sharing that then at at preapps and and uh meetings like that where hey you know you're you're this is when do you intend to start building okay you're six months out this is going to be your requirement when you get here you know and we'll start sharing that you know with them saying hey this is coming you might want to take a look at it. Could there be a scenario though where someone's 100% grandfathered in with what they've already proposed?

Uh you know commissioner only if I mean, if it were previously approved, you know, and they just hadn't built it yet, then it would be very difficult for us to go back and and, you know, impose these new requirements. Now, the the other aspect of that is is that there is a shelf life on a on a site plan, right? You know, so, you know, I believe that's 24 months. They don't build in 24 months, that site plan is and we would not I shouldn't say that. I don't believe or we would take a real good look at that as to whether we would you know um you know extend that or or we would require them to meet the new requirements. So if it timed out there might be window to

yes sir insert that there that certainly would be part of the conversation. Thank you. I have question just a one thing that impresses me and that is dipping our toe into something different or unusual or something that really stands out. take a look at the architecture out at the Apex Motor Club someday. Now, there's some imaginative architecture and we need some of that in our community. We really do. Oh, is it? Oh, I that's that's what that's what reminded me of it.

Yeah, it's in there. And there's a lot of good things going on. I just was uh I was out of town this weekend. I was up in Las Vegas and um I saw the prettiest 7-Eleven store being built that I've ever seen in my life. And the first thing I said when I saw it was, "Why don't we have that here?" You know, so I want to get with Derek. I didn't get back in the building till, you know, close to five o'clock today. But, you know, that's, you know, again, important. Um, and we're going to have those conversations and we're going to push the envelope on this and we're going to get, you know, better designs and better requirements in the city of Maricopa. Commissioner Robertson, one more comment.

Yes, sir. Just looking at your your front page, these are established design guidelines for these companies for their buildings all look the same. How does this document impact that? Would there be a conflict where it says tractor supply? You can't look like that. You got to look like what we say.

No, it uh chairman, commissioners, I think once you once you get into these you know there I don't think it's going to have an impact on branding or anything like that you know or on their corporate logos they could still use their brands their signage their you know what I think it goes back to the example I just used with the 7-Eleven you know I mean the you you come down here and you build one here but you build the Taj Mahal up there you know or or a unique design something that would really complement why is that not coming in here you know these design guidines will help us have that conversation so we can bring that up, you know. Um, but the Lowe's is still going to be Lowe's. The Home Depot is still going to be Home Depot. Um, but their garden center might look a little different in for the next one, you know, and the walls that they build around the garden center might look a little different on the next one, but it's the same requirement that they're building in every other city out there in in the valley. So, why bring us chain link fence? I know when you go out to Queen Creek, I think it is, there's a new Yes.

a new Maverick out there and a new Circle K that looks entirely different than any other ones that you've seen. Eric and I were just looking at that last week before I skipped out of the office. Uh, you know, there's some really nice designs up there. So, why are they not coming here? You know, this will help us get those. Thank you. Good. Good work. I have another comment, too. And it uh when I look back at our our first effort at apartment buildings or some of the earlier charter schools, they they look like warehouses. They really do. And I think this document is going to take us away from that trend. I I really believe that. Yes. And

because we're drifting away from it now, but we need something that has more teeth. Well, and and what I would just in in that sense since you brought up the apartments, um we're going to come right back. We're and I'm going to kind of get into the report from staff here now, but um we're going to bring all our design guidelines back before y'all. Uh the single family residential have been around for about five years now. They need to be tweaked. We need to go in and fix a few things in there. the multif family have been around for I think about four years now. Um but that all you know our our current set of design guidelines um um is is for vertical development. We there's nothing in there that governs or or speaks to the the build to rent developments that are coming in here. You know, there are ways that we can put in there, you know, so we don't get the monopoly looking houses going down the road. You know, we I we're going to put some requirements in there that require them to bunch them, move them around, put different, you know, one story, twotory. Um the Gunsmoke guys, um they did a pretty good job of that. They were willing to work with us. We asked them to do it. Uh when you look when you drive by that, it it actually looks pretty good, you know, but you've got single story next to twotory. you've got, you know, it's they just did a really nice job of of on the footprint of those buildings on the site, but they did that out of their own goodwill because we asked them to. There was nothing we had, you know, in writing that required them to. We're going to fix that. Commissioner Glo chair.

Yeah. To kind of piggyback on on what Commissioner Robertson was talking about, you know, the corporate identity is is I think going to be allowed to stay. I mean, there there are elements that make, you know, the orange makes Home Depot Home Depot. You know, the blue Lowe's. And I don't think we want to be Sedona where they made McDonald's change their arches to teal. Um, I was just gonna mention that. Are we gonna have that scenario here? You know, I don't think any of that's that's in play here. The other interesting thing that that I've seen um especially in the last couple years, I think the developers are coming here with a stronger product, you know, for the most part. There's exceptions to every rule of course,

right? But, you know, the I think Tractor Supply did a good job, you know, with their project. I think Home Depot did a pretty pretty good job, you know, especially coming from West Chandler where we had a Home Depot that's been there since before I moved there in '92. Um, on on Ky on Kyne and Warner. Um, and it hasn't I don't think it's been updated since it was built in the 80s. [laughter]

Uh, so, you know, I I like that we still give them the the autonomy to, you know, bring their own product in, but let's let's bring some of the the the the requirements and the articulation and the roof structures. And the only other thing that I would say to that is kind of piggyback on on Ted's comment is we look at Apex and you know those buildings are very architectural. They're, you know, they're they're very long. They're very linear. They have very flat roofs big but it's you know it's the shape of a wing and but it's part of that look.

So in in one aspect we have to be careful. We don't say you have to have articulation in the roof when as part of the architecture, you know, the dominance of the architecture itself, you know, we'd be actually taking away from it, right? So, having some of that flexibility to give back to staff. Um, and I think that that leads into in my last little comment, you know, as this progresses forward and and as as we re reevaluate some of these new design guidelines or and update the new the the old design guidelines. Um, and my concern is is with now these designs no longer coming to the purview of uh PNZ and council and and staying internal. Um, The concerns I'm hearing from a lot of a lot of people around the state, developers, some aimed at areas at at Maricopa, some aimed at at at other cities as well,

is having the staff that has that design acumen on on staff to be able to uh to adequately push and promote these guidelines with the zeal that needs to occur to say, you know, this needs needs x amount of stone or you know or the opposite of what I what I was just talking about we because of the architecture it doesn't need this roof articulation because that is part of that that branding or that type of architecture that that makes it cohesive. I think that's my biggest concern here is is just making sure that we have the people in place to make those decisions and we're not just adding gingerbread to add gingerbread because someone said it's in the book. Yeah, Commissioner, I I hear you loud and clear. I I think there's going to be, you know, an educational aspect of it, you know, for internally for staff as we start to implement these, you know, what does it really mean? What is it, you know, what are we trying to accomplish? Um, because you can clearly overarchitecture stuff,

you know, and so it's finding that balance. I've been accused of that before. [laughter] I think that um you know uh a lot of it u you know it when you see it. Yeah. You know it feels good. Yeah. And like I said, we talk about feel and and purpose and function, but you know it when you see it.

Um and so I think these these these guidelines will give us the ability to have those conversations. is we're going to see a better product coming in and we're going to know when we see it. Um I am not an architecture. I never claimed to be one and certainly didn't play one on TV, but um I think that um you know had the Apex building come in looking, you know, messing with the roof lines, uh we'd have we'd have seen that. But it's it's a it's a very good point.

Yeah. I and that's I think that's the key here is is to be able to to get away from I mean I had a situation in in city of Phoenix on a on a design project and the the comment that was made was that our design book says this is what it has to have and when I was explaining but that is not part of and this is actually in the historic district and no historically this bungalow you know in 1920 would have looked like this, not like how you you know just because it says in your book doesn't make it right. Right.

And there are there there needs to be, you know, some level where staff can say, "Yeah, this is a little out of the norm. It's a little different. Someone's going to bring something unique here and and you know, we don't have to make it fit in this tiny little box, right?" Um and to your point about when you see something, it feels good. On the flip side, I do have some engineer friends that they see boxes and they just, "Oh, that's great." [laughter] with no trees around. I can I can give you a classic example of you know it when you see it. I remember the first time I looked at this building we're sitting in and I knew it when I saw it. It's fantastic. It really is. And this is what we're trying to achieve.

Yeah. And and I think that this plays into a comment I made earlier tonight about having those, you know, the the three-dimensional um views that it's such common place in our industry. I mean, yeah, we do have the small developers and the mom and pops and things like that that might not have that technology and you know, so there's that fine line. Do we make it a requirement or not? But I really think that that that helps sells does it feel good or not? you know, you know, these static flat, you know, images that that historically that we've received just don't do these buildings justice,

right? Buffalo Wild Wings, I think, was is a great example of there's all that articulation in the wall, but it got lost completely in the in the renderings they provided. But I think when it's going to be done, it's going to be kind of cool.

Commissioners, any other questions, comments, concerns? Um, I have Two questions. One's an ask actually. Um, when can residents see this? We saw it. I think residents should be able to I know this isn't, you know, necessarily for public consumption at the moment, but I fully believe that residents should be able to do see this. They're I'm sure everybody else here sees it on Facebook and social medias of I hate how this development you know looks and it would be nice for them to potentially also give some input. So you pulled this up is February 2nd that time frame that

that's what I'm shooting for. Okay. Um awesome. And then yeah I wish this came out a little sooner. you know, I think some of the developments that have come forward would uh not, you know, fly with some of these rules. Um, well, get into them. You know, they're they're certainly not perfect. There's there's room to make changes at this point.

Uh, I really look forward to getting y'all's feedback back from this and um and moving this forward. Um there's a couple little cleanup things I'm going to do and I you know when I was copying it today I noticed another typo, you know. Um but I'm going to get this thing out uh to the developer forum uh by the 15th. And if I can have all the comments back, you know, by mid January, then that gives me two to three weeks to make changes, make, you know, revisions to it. Um, and I think at that point, you know, we should be pretty close to putting it on the on the city website. We'll put it on uh what's new in Maricopa and we'll also post it on our our our public hearing notices because we should be able to once once I can uh identify which planning commission meeting and which city council and what that schedule's going to be, we'll put it out for everybody. I just don't I don't want to say, well, we're going to go this day and then change that. No, we're going to go this day. you know, I just once I get it all settled, then we'll get it back up and the next time we come back here, we'll actually open up the document. We'll talk about it.

Awesome. Um, and obviously we haven't had time to go through this. So, I'm kind of curious on you and your staff's uh, methodology, I'll say, of kind of blending what you guys found versus what is already here because and I know it's going to happen to some degree of, oh, that's pre guidelines, that's post guidelines, right? Um, how did you guys balance that out so that there isn't that stark contrast or is it just it is what it is. It's going to be a stark contrast between what we already have in is in flight and the future of you know non-residential development. Chairman, I I think the best way to answer that is uh I don't think there's going to be a sharp contrast. You know, it's not like, you know, driving down, well, that's Maricopa, that's county, you know, those are, you know, it won't the the the requirements are not that drastically different. Um, you know, I I use the um Home Depot example. The Home Depot would still look like the Home Depot But their garden center would be designed a little bit different. You know, same thing with Tractor Supply. It would look just like that the way it is. It just their garden center and their and their screening requirements are going to be a little bit different. Um so I don't think that um uh I don't think and I don't want to minimize because that's still a really nice center.

You know, they're quality developments. I mean, there are things we could have done better with them, but uh I don't think it's one of these things where the next Home Depot that gets built here, you'll you'll drive past that one, say, "That one went first, that one went second." I, you know, I don't know. But we certainly were not looking for a any type of significant, you know, departure from what we've been doing. just looking to make it better,

you know, change the, you know, for example, with the you'll see the um the requirements when you get there. Um the intersection where the Lowe's and the um all that come together across from the hospital. That would that entrance would have looked a little different based on these, you know, but but not, you know, it's not going to have golden fountains out front or anything like that, but we would have made room for more u uh we would had a little bit more landscape requirement. we would have given a little bit more on the monument signage trying to create that sense of sense of arrival, you know, um that's what those are going to do. So, a lot of it is is are subtle changes. Um but it just ups the Annie when it comes to, you know, design, materials, building location, you know, um it talks about that we don't want to see, you know, parking lots. We want buildings put forward, you know, um but that doesn't mean you can't do it. it the old way, but the parking lot's going to look a little bit different. The canopies are going to look a little bit different. And it really what it does is give staff the tools they need to be able to have those conversations.

Yeah. And I know some of these have already been kind of subtly put in, you know, play as um you know, as your team has been putting this together, but I was just curious if there was enough difference between kind of what we've been doing to what we'll be doing. Uh, it sounds like no. So, that's Yeah, that's good to hear. Um, Commissioner Robertson, the fact that we're calling them guidelines kind of leaves the door cracked a little bit to discretion with you guys in negotiation, and I think that's a good way to go. Yeah, there's they're guidelines.

Um, chairman, commissioners, there's a there's a few shall in there. Um but it it there is you know a lot of it is subject you know very subjective you know and but it it creates the starting point to have the conversation as we move forward and gives staff more tools you know to to um to negotiate that as we're moving forward. Yes sir. Awesome. Are you supposed to I think you're not only going to uh have me moving I I think they'll get some ideas from this. I really do. Well, I look forward to all your comments.

Awesome. Any other questions, comments, concerns about this. All right, seeing none, there was only this is only a discuss item. Now, this is uh I'll take it to agenda item eight, reports from commissioned andor staff. Well, uh, thank you, chairman, uh, commissioners. Um, first off, thank you for all your efforts this year. It's been a, it's been a pretty good year. It's been a different year. Um, but I just wanted to thank you all for the time and effort you put into this. Wish you all a merry Christmas because this is the last uh, meeting of the year. Uh, coming up in January, we're g we've got a couple of things going on. One, we're going to elect our our chair and vice chair in January. Uh the other thing is uh we've got a roles and responsibilities um uh seminar coming your way that uh um legal will put on. Um we'll probably go into e session for it and um I'm going to try and keep um just the just that on the agenda that night if I can. Uh as I said, we're we're going to be bringing quarterly items to you. We're going to you're going to get the single family residential guidelines back again. You're going to get the uh we're going to make those better. Uh we're going to get the multif family back. And then what my ultimate goal with this is to tweak the heritage district guidelines and then combine them into one document, you know, so you got the single family, then the multif family commercial. And um so that's my goal. That'll that'll be towards the end. Uh but we've got some other uh educational uh things coming. I think 2026 is going to be a really good year. U and I'm just looking forward to it. And uh with that, I would just say, you know, everybody be safe out there. Happy holidays and uh we'll see you in uh 2026. I'll email out the PDFs that tomorrow. Feel free to call me if you have any questions on it. Um I'll always

make time to have that conversation. And that concludes my comment, sir. Awesome. Thank you, Rick. Um yeah, the one of my questions or comments to you is going to be the educational piece because I have met with some department heads and it would be nice to see things like because we had the traffic study and it'd be nice to see, you know, how does fire get approved and whatnot. Um not only for our benefit, but then it gets recorded and residents can see it later on. Um so I'm glad to hear that's on the horizon for 26.

We're gonna, you know, the goal is is at least one a quarter That doesn't mean we can't do more. You know, some are going to be simple, some are a little more in-depth. So, we'll we'll, you know, we'll have to negotiate this as we go. But that's my goal for 2026 with you folks is to is to have something in front of you every quarter that, you know, keep in mind when we put stuff like that together, it makes us better, makes you more informed, makes everybody, you know, everybody that's watching on TV, you know, might learn a little something, too. So, um, it's all about education. Awesome. Uh I do not see a need for executive session. For that I will take a motion to adjurnn. So moved.

Have a motion for I have a [clears throat] second. All in favor say I. I. We are journed.