Historic District Review Board - Regular Meeting

Yes. All right. Following the meeting to order. Uh let's start with 70 Main Street.

Have a seat. Tell us. Go ahead and tell us what you're going to do. business.

I didn't know. Well, this is on Main Street next to Yeah. What's that? Have you done like any kind of what? Uh walking around to see how visible this is from other Yeah. location until you get I sent pictures, but you should have not here. There's a drive. This is the driveway obviously coming in. You can't This is where the location is. Yeah. You can only see it if you walk, right? It's not visible. There's no other road. You can't see it through. You have to really You have to be on private property. So, basically,

all right. So, then the sense I get is that it's not reviewable by us. I mean, in my start, right, last week. So, I did extra. Okay. fire. But yeah, no, you can't see any metal. Okay. Uh I would say yeah, because I think you know last week, if I remember correctly, it was kind of thin. We didn't really know what you were talking about.

Yeah. So now that I have better pictures, we can all see what I'm doing where it is. So, do I have a motion that we um not review this because it's not viewable by the public? Uh, I would make that motion. Do I have a second? All in favor say I I I So, I apologies for that. Yeah, you were referred to us incorrectly because this is not visible from a public right of way. So

what I'll do is I'll I'll issue a notice and we have uh come to the point where every everything that we do is somehow documented. Sure. So it it'll be a notice saying it's not re not required to be reviewed. Okay, good. because that's great. We'll discourage within the historic district. It has to come here and then we have to Yeah, we we have to make a judgment as to whether or not it's it's review. Well, you weren't referred here incorrectly. Let's just say that, right? No. Yeah, I was referred here because it's in the district. That's why I'm submitting all this. Okay.

Very tiny thing that I'm doing. Yeah. Um so, you're all set. Okay. I'll just deal with the penalty. Yes. Uh and I'll send this notice out this weekend so everybody will have it and it'll be clear that you don't have to uh your your application doesn't have to be reviewed. Very good. All right. Thanks for your time. Thank you. You welcome. Have a good holiday. You too. Okay. Business. 15.

No, but I am a proxy. Proxy for capital. Okay. somewhere. All right. Uh so proxy, tell us what you're proposing be done.

So this is for 11 panels for a solar project. 11 panels and one inverter on top of 15 folding. I guess we have some material that was admitted of the supplemental photo. This is the property. Yes.

Okay. And Uh, and this is what you're proposing. That's the writing. That's what it's going to look like. Uh, you said that there are 11 or 11 individual panels, but in in a group of four groups. Yes.

Yes. Four groups. Oh. Okay. Um All right. So, you're also uh talking about uh in the inverter and the meter replacement and now where are those devices going to be so? So, that be helpful. Okay. So, I could show you on the planet just because this is not the side of the house that it will be

um installed on. So, right here is where on the plants at DMP these right over here, that's where the inverter will be installed. Oh, it's not. Is it? No, it's not. This ping right here though from this side. Now, we have all these elevations. Can you point out on these elevations where where in fact it will be stalled? Um, thank you. This is Paul, right? Yeah, this side. That's Paul. So, that's the north side. We don't have a photo of the north side. So, no, it should be Yeah,

I I'm sorry. They did not send a photo of that over. So, this is the north side, I believe. So, yes, sir. Okay. Where? Yeah. Where on that? Because all the way in the back. All the way in the back. Yes, sir. So, it's on the second roof under the the largest roof structure. So, it'll be somewhere hereish right over here. If you look at it like this on the southern, not on the northern side, on the back of the house.

Oh, I'm sorry. So, it'll go this way. So, it'll be on this side of the house. I'm sorry. You were right. side of the street. So, which is this side of the street, which is the visible part. So, we do need to know where it's going on this side of the house. Okay. Okay. So, is that not covered by the shrubbery? I don't know. Okay. It doesn't look like it because it looks like it's on this larger roof section, not south side. No, it's on the street facing the side. In other words, it's on the south. Yes. Yes, but it's back in the you can't really because it's in that um largest section of the house.

Street view on up there. It kind of curves around that house. So, you can see from from two sides of the street. Yeah, there's no Google Street View either. Okay. Uh I guess and the inverter is going to be mounted on the outside. The outside of the house. Yes. Uh and the application talks about a meter replacement. Are you talking about the electric meter?

Yes. The electric meter. They switch electric. Isn't there Okay. Um I I guess the question is uh because usually uh what we're most interested in is what is visible to the public. So the question is uh the electrical cables and stuff like that. How how is that going to be run? It will be run on the side of the house. It'll be running.

Okay. So it'll be run on the street facing Pauling Avenue if it's presumably the inverter is somewhere around here and then it goes up. Yeah. So it'll be running up the side. Yes. And so it goes around um the eve of the roof here. Mhm.

Um okay. But how close to the window is it? This the second story window like does it does it go up here? I wouldn't know. That would be that would be more of an installation question. That would that be more of a made question. I'm I'm very sorry. That one I couldn't answer just because on site it might be a little different. They might have to move it. That one I wouldn't know. Okay. So, looking at this picture, am I correct that we're going to have panels on this roof and this roof and this roof and this roof? Yeah. Not the little Not this little

Not the small roof, but Yeah. Right. So I guess the question is is that um is there is there any reason why let's say the panels here and here can be joined together you know or the fit that's why usually design puts it like that is because that's how the panels that's how they can put the most amount of panels to fit. That's usually how design does that. Okay. But so the question is is that are they connected over the ridge? What would you mean? They all connect to each other, don't they? Coming up here going up the facility. No, no, no. They're all connected to each other. And they're all

these connected. How is this roof connected to these is what asking? I don't have that answer. See the thing what we let me take this tag. This is what we would like to see. Uh you've got a series of panels here and a series of panels here. We would like for there to be one cable which connects these panels and these panels. Is that is there any problem with that? No.

Okay. And the same thing here. Uh you've got panels here and here and we'd like to have them with one uh cable connecting uh them uh together. Now you're what you're telling us is that the inverter is some place here. Yes, it's in the on that side in the back. The back somewhere in here. The back toward the back of the photo in the back of this house of this facade of the house.

Okay. So I I guess the question then is that um does it make sense to have the cable from these panels coming down here joining the the cable from these panels and then running to the inverter? Is it also possible to have the inverter on the opposite the other side of the house? I can ask that north side of the house as opposed to the We could do that. South side of the house as opposed to the north side of the house.

We can avoid a lot of conduit visibility everywhere. We can move that. Yeah. Okay. I can let my design team know. See what they back. So, let me jot this down. Uh, so we need confirmation from your design team. Okay, I will let um the So that's the inverter, but uh I would assume that the the electric meters is there in the same location. I would assume so. Yes. And um that you're not going to move the electric meter?

No, I don't believe so. But there are they I they have done things like that before. So I I can provide to you now. They've put the inverter on on the opposite side. Yes. They've changed the spot of the inverter. Yes. Okay. So if we now this is one piece of conduit that's connecting here to here to here to here or are they getting there is there is usually one one something connecting everything but it is very small

what you're saying I think Is this facade along the driveway? We're talking about maybe moving it to here. I know. I I I guess or wherever. As long as it's not Well, um if we move the inverter, let's say either here or here. Well, I think what Kimberly was saying is Pauling kind of goes around like this. So, and this is kind of on that curve. So, if you're walking down here, you could essentially see that and all the conduit from here. But if it's on this side, especially towards the front, you won't see the south side is yeah, not really visible. So at all,

what we're This is the south side. So we're talking about the southeast corner. We're talking about ideally this anywhere towards the south, further towards the west than the east. But yeah, on the south the hill I guess more over here. I mean anywhere on the south side is better than on the north side. So okay well let's pick a spot and then uh if that is the conduit's drawn on there. Well no it's not but the inverter and the meter are gone.

The yeah the inverter and the meter are drawn over there. So that will be okay. So for example, this is this is the south side uh further I guess. So it's probably here. Yeah, it's this this this is the the low route. So this looks like a mechanical area anyway. Right. So if we talk about putting the inverter someplace here then you know uh the connections can be made uh upper panels coming down joining this cable and this cable then going down to the inverter on that side.

Okay. All right. So um where is that in the plan? Have that there was one necessary. You want to hold on to this one? Uh yeah because then I'll be able to Okay. Array array array. So if if we indicate

like I just want to take the signing off. Okay. If we if we say inverter goes here. Mhm.

Yeah. Okay. draw the how you want to connect the conduit to be run as well.

Well, I I would assume that this is going to connect to that. This is going to uh connect to this and then uh this will come down when we go here. So, it's a matter of where this roof line connects to that because it's got to go up the siding, right? It doesn't have to go up the siding. It can, you know, if the inverter is down here, you know, uh the the uh what is this square

that might be the it's the chimney. I think that looks like the chimney. Well, the chimney is here. That would be this guy. That would be the chimney. No. No. Is that on? Sounds like it didn't. There might be a second chim. There might be a slug that there have a second chimney. Okay. All right.

All right. Well, okay. So then so then realistically what it what they what they can do is run it like this across over here. Join this one the the cable the the conduit or the the power from that that array join it together and go down here and exactly where the meter is. You know that's there is some flexibility but we'd like to have one uh one conduit on one table coming down. Do the panels all need to connect to each other or can they they do they would be needed. Yeah. So you're saying

there there are two panels here. There's two here, two on that side, and then they're up here. So how are you saying these ones are going to connect to up here? Well, the the cable is going to come down here down the back side of down the south side of the house, right? And connect to the cable and then down to wherever the inverter winds up being. So, he's kind of saying this is going to drop down that way and this drops and they connect off line on the south side. Okay, that's doable.

I can let them know you P main panel. S is the service entrance. AC is the AC disconnect and inverter. So, so the only thing that we're changing really is we're taking this inverter, moving it over to this side. Okay. And just hiding it as much as possible basically. and asking that the conduit not be run up this this foot this but possible. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. So, do I have a motion concerning the application as as we have modified as specified by you. That's right. As as I have drawn it on the on the pictures.

So, you're issa and they're confirming back that this is possible. Well, well the issue the issue is that we are confirming what we discussed here. If that can't be done for any particular reason and the only flexibility is that the inverter you know there is some latitude as far as where the inverter can wind up being on uh on this wall. If that is a problem then they have to come back. Okay.

All right. That way it can move forward. So, um, do I have a motion concerning the application as modified? Motion to contingently approve the application as modified. Is that what we say? No. No, it's not. We're approving the the motion as we've described it. Okay. If they can't do it, of course, I would have to come back and it would be a whole different thing.

Uh, yeah, sure. Do I do is is that a motion? That that sounds like a vote, but I need a motion and a second. I'll make a motion to approve the application as specified by the board chair. Okay. Do I have a second? Second. All in favor say I. I. I. I. I. Okay. Approved.

Right. Okay. So, and the modifications is location of inverter and conduit. Okay. Seven Cedar Street.

Hello. Hi. Must be Michael son-in-law handling helping out whatever. Okay. I'll get thrown out of the family. Okay. Okay. We We're have to be We'll have to be here. Very understanding. Yeah. I'd like to stay, but So, what we're looking to do is um it's an upside down house.

Oh, that is correct. Yeah. And uh the stairs going up to the second floor, you know, to the main living space is um becoming a hardship on my mother-in-law. So, what we're looking to do is get rid of half the garage downstairs. There's plenty of living space. Um this is this is just neighbor's house. That's the neighbor's house. So, this is what we're looking to do. Okay. Show you guys all the copies. We made do not have fixed copies of

that. Oh, yeah. Of everything? Yes. I I had to Oh, no. of the PL of these plans. Oh, good. Are they in that? Is that there? Is that it? I have them all made.

I have an extra.

Yeah, the the plans aren't in the plans aren't in this. Yeah, this if uh there's actually a full set. Hi All right. So, this is No, there they are. This is the back. Is that crazy? That's the front of the house.

This is the front of That's just That's the front of the house that So, my first time at this residence that my now wife uh Where's the front? Yeah, it's on the side. That's how we work. So, we're going to let the front I'm trying this thing on the bottom propos. Okay. So, this is garage door. Yeah, that's what a little kind of window

double window and then add two masking doors on it. That window is coming from the side. All the vinyl siding is being repurposed from the back of the house because it's all bleach, you know, with sun and everything. So, wait. So, I'm sorry. Is this this window you'll be taking from here? Uh, here. I don't know. Well, um, that's going in the front. We're repurposing this one. So, this won't look like this.

I guess it'll be I guess it'll be one less. Well, it doesn't have the same um m pattern. Well, no. All the uh what do you call it? The lights. The lights are not in. They're taken out cuz they cleaned them. They cleaned all the windows. They took out all these lights. Okay. Oh, there's a snap in there. That's too Yeah, this is a 30-y old. I think it's 30 years in on the interior. Yeah. Okay. So, it I And then the doors will be new doors. Doors will be new and they match what the

the front door. Yeah. The front door. It's going to be the same. The metal door. This door. the metal door on the side, the vinyl siding that's going to fill in where the garage door that's coming out and around the window. It's going to be repurposed in the back of the house because everything is bleach, you know, over time over 30 years. And we're going to replace the vinyl threading in the back of the house. And then you're adding a roof up front. Correct. And this is getting filled in. That's getting filled. That's getting filled. We're going to leave. This is going to remain a garage.

That's going to remain a onecar garage, right? Then the move that I I put in the front just try to make it look a little more neighborhood across the whole problem. Yeah. Okay. And just for clarity sake, Sure. Uh these two nothing changes on the second floor right? No not. So on the first floor these two are existing and that's that is there.

Okay. Well it just the the reason I'm asking a question is take a look at the dimension. You know where this window is located as opposed to here. It's a little off and so it's a little deceiving. These things in fact are over here. Well, this is my fault cuz I shrunk everything. Okay. I'm just trying to make copies, right? Save them money on blueprints and everything. Okay. All right. But basically, this is then a new window. That is this window that is from here. Okay. That's being filled in. That's correct.

Yes. And then on the front, you've got two garage doors existing. You're going to keep one, correct? And add two other doors and a window. Correct. And otherwise, this this all stay everything. And all the cladding, the uh aluminum fascia and all that was all remaining. refocus.

Trying to keep it as make everything match. So there's no no uh siding change, no color. Okay. I this is so I I guess this is the proposed that is correct. Yeah. Okay. Now I guess the question then is that this door someplace here?

Yes. No. The turbines is waterproof. This is going to be some different It's going to be concrete block. This is more interior. I'm sorry. That's the interior. It's basically the same layout they have upstairs. They're dropping it down. It's going to be the same exact layout with the kitchen and the living room, dining room, and two bedrooms. Okay. Well, so that is that this looks like there's the other garage door is on the way. That's us. Yeah, that's that's the living space. Yeah, this is a garage right now. All right.

We're basically dropping down upstairs down this area here would be the garage, the heated garage as we speak right now. Okay. I I guess I'm a little confused with this. Are you saying that the the between these two floor plans? This is this

that is the this here. These are the stairs going up to the second floor. They're going to be going up to the second floor because right now they are from the side entrance which is the front of the house that goes up. We're just going to reverse them. Okay. Um when we when we talked to the building department, they said they didn't have a problem with that. Okay. And and uh basically you're putting uh wood flooring on top of the existing concrete slab.

Yeah, we're going to we're going to per it up with um 2 by8s this whole area and fill it. It's going to be sprayed in insulation cell. Okay. Now, but what about what about all of this over here? This is existing. Um is this this is all there already. That's correct. What we're doing is we're just going to open this up so they can go through the bedrooms instead of right now. It's uh this little confusing or when you go in the side door.

This is all interior. So when you go into the side door the way it is now, it was here. And that's really their front door. Yeah. Going up. So I'm taking the staircase out. I'm going to reverse it. Yeah. So you go up from the front and it matches this side. Right. And then the other staircase here just allows them to get their living room. Correct. So you're having you're taking one entrance and making three entrances. Correct. Cuz right now, believe it or not, the only way you can get furniture in upstairs, you have to go through that window. Really? That'd be full.

I'm just trying to clean everything up and make it.

And where's the light fixture going on this drawing? If you were to Yeah, there's going to be one over each one. Yeah, one. And I I think I have it here. Yeah. Yeah. My initial kind of design question would be whether just a shed roof across the entire width of the structure would be rather than having the two little Well, it it's funny that you say that. Um, one of my other drawing, that's where you go. Uh, my mother-in-law wanted the shed roof. My father-in-law wanted this roof. I think because it's a

It's kind of a funky big oversized damal roof and then the dormers have shed roofs and the porch has a shed roof. It feels like this is maybe a little ging too many. I actually might even have them here, but I gave them to or take the or take the across roof away completely. But I do like I think I like that idea. I think that might break that the other houses, you know, everybody have the little front. Maybe just do the one roof across like

there's a lot going on in the roof and the shape and the fact that it's facing the street, you know, head on with this. Um, yeah, I think that you guys tell me what you want pictures up there too under the roof. Yeah, we'll figure that out. That's So, I'm going to make someone happy and someone's going to say, "I told you." Yeah, I'm fine with that. Christmas is next week. Only about five hour day. We'll get through it.

Al, do you have any Well, um I guess um I if you're talking about one of these light fixtures, I don't know how you'd be able to fit it under this the dormer at the door without the uh the way it's drawn up right now. Well, yeah. I I I think it you're not going to have enough room to get it in there. Um

maybe on the side, but then there's no room on a glass. Is it possible to do just like a recessed overhead overhead light in the in the structure of the roof rather than have a a fixture maybe as a as a if anything is possible. It it's it's their house, you know, it's it's what they like because you you're obviously Yes. are very tight on some around the door and the garage door and the attic. How big are they? Well, I I guess the shed door or the garage door in the window is 12 in. No, they're 6 in thick. Oh, yeah.

They have already on the side of the house. Exactly. What is that? I can understand this like what? Yeah. Uh those are Yeah, that's 4 in like big enormous. I think they have room. You said these are six inches high and then each Well, I mean the reason I'm thinking about that is that probably this door if it was raised uh you could then have the this light fixture over the door. I just think that that does not visually work on this two gate kind of little Well, if you see the socket height here, right? That's where you're trying I'm trying to keep everything in line.

Yeah. Yeah. which I I'm in this business. Yeah. For 50 years. I I agree with that. Actually, I think this is an improvement over what's the way that it looks like. Yeah. Like, do you want to take the other garage? Yeah. Which um so I I think I just I think that the the one shed roof across the entire front is No, they don't more pleasing. Look, I I I'll uh I'll bring it to the table, but is that going to make or break the deal? What? Really? No, I think we're telling you we Right. This is what you want. Well,

single what you guys want. Well, and I mean, if you're talking about one shed roof, are you also talking about these two dormers at the ends? No, those would kind of those would basically go away and there all the way. So then where does light fixture? They go behind. You just won't see them from the street, but there's still light. There's still enough room to light the doors. And they're looking for light also inside the living space. That's why, you know, it's it's a it's a torso. Um I'm trying to keep the height to align with this side. Yeah. And that's what I came up with. Yeah,

that door if that roof comes all the way across. Again, you should have plenty of room though above the door for two light fixtures if you're starting the roof at this height. Well, we're talking about the light fixture is 8 and 8 and 1 e inch high. Is that in effect with the six? Well, that's it's within what they have now. It's almost the same one. So I thought it was six. Are there six? Yes. Six or eight.

Six inches wide, eight and a and an eight high. Okay. Well, the six inch fits in within the platform.

There are a million light fixtures out there. So I think I I I feel more strongly about the roof structure than I do about saying yes to this exact light fixture right now. So, in my opinion, you know, if this doesn't fit and something that's a little bit sorry, if this doesn't fit and something that's a little bit smaller needs to be proposed, I think that that is not on. Um, are the door did the door swing in or out? Yeah. In so that at least you don't have to worry about hitting the overhang with the door swinging out. Um the door that's going to swing out would be the storm door, which they they still don't know. See the storm door here has been there for 30 years, but they might be willing to attend the leather door or whatever they call it and that would swing out.

Okay. So then if it does swing out, how much of an overhang are we talking? And uh are we talking about having brackets? This bracket is this and this. Well, if the dormers throw away then there won't be that that bracket. That seems like

what's the pitch on the on the six? It's going to match the existing house. That's what the uh little dormas were. grown up as to match the same um pitch on the roof. Now, this roof was just replaced a year ago and the same shingles we have left over um that's going to match the front as well. That's good. Basically every Yeah. All the trim is going to be wrapped in aluminum just and the vinyl siding everything is um well I guess the question I have is that if the pitch here matches the existing are we talking about matching it here or here? Here. No.

Okay. Because looking at side elevation looks steeper than that. This here works deeper than that. No, that's what here. The way it's growing here on this side again. I did this. Okay. I'm not an architect. Well, I I took sections of everything. And your plan is for matching. Your plan is for this roof line to match that correct line. Yeah. Yeah. like I did in the front

and and uh okay the reason I'm asking the question is because uh depending on how far it is will determine how low front u band you know fac would go. I mean, it may be not possible to add an an exterior storm door that swings outward then if if the I don't think that Well, yeah. I don't think that's going to be the a killer. Yeah. I I mean, you know, this is

this is also facing this street, so it's like less less likely that you're going to be opening leaving a door open with a script door. So, I mean that that I'm working with this right here that Yeah. Right. What if started here though at that band and then you have Well, that's what that's what I'm working with. Yeah, I'm working with that band. Saying like what if what if whatever that band was up like just a little bit above so that the fingles started. Well, they might be up that high. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, that that's what I'm working with right now. Okay. What is the doctor's level?

Yeah. Okay. Do you know what this pitch is? It's a six, I believe. Six on 12. Six on 12. Good because um it looks flatter than that. Um well, I'll tell you right now. Um it's a six on 12 because there's a $20 fee. You go online and they tell you your roof pitch so you can figure out all your shingles and everything. What I did the uh roof on here. That's a six on 12. You want I can get you the documentation.

Well, it it just 6 on 12 and that'll you know if you start let's say you do you know a fascia board that runs from one eve to the other and then you start six on 12. The question then becomes uh how far out do you is three feet? Yeah. Which is why this which is why this looked deeper to you because 3 ft is this is not 3 feet. So it probably is coming out past there. Right. And so well but uh if if it comes out three feet then uh essentially the height is a foot and a half

if it's six on 12. Right. Again, I'm working with the soft here. I'm trying to make everything balanced. Okay. It might turn out to be five and a half. I've Well, you know, I'm rude in my life, but we're going to make it work. So, we're trying to not touch as much as the front of the house as as possible. We're trying to make the front of the house look like the front of the house. I'm comfortable approving the application if we do the fed roof across.

I am also also comfortable with that. Well, all right. I think let let's take one one thing out of that. Um the first of all the issue of uh vinyl sighting we don't approve. This was approved when the house was built by this person. Whoever this person whoever that guy is. Okay. What is he? Is that your name? Is that your name? My copy. Can I take a look at here's where we are. Okay. We got to do this.

No. No. No. Well, you know, before you get your hackles up. My hackles aren't up yet. Okay. I I I don't I just want to raise the issue because it is something which is in our our guidelines as far as the vinyl sighting. I think that the that situation as it presents itself is an exception. I totally I I am not against vinyl sighting at all. But sighting is there. We're going to take it from the back of the house. We're going to fill in the front where we have to. We're keeping everything the same, right? And and and if if you would let me finish what I was going to say is that the entire house getting the long the long

and it's not just for you. It's also the record the public record here. That's fine. Yeah. So the existing house uh it's not historic, right? And it has and it's clad in vinyl sighting. So I think continuing in vinyl sighting does in fact make sense. When when was this built you 30 years ago? 35 years should be David. Okay. And again and I told my first time I was there I said where's the front of the house? It's on the side of the house. Yeah. I think I'm finally getting a chance to give them a front of the house.

Um okay. So vinyl siding uh collectively is I think we are reiterating the fact that it is a 100% no except not 100% but the board is making an exception for this case. This is existing vinyl sighting that was built that way right and was approved that way. Yeah. And they're taking a section of Well, I I still don't Well, it and my signature but question really is is that what was that approve approval for? All right. We really want to go. No, no, no. Because I'll tell that's ancient history.

So, um, okay. So, now to me that, uh, I I am neither here nor there as far as these dormers on the end, but, uh, I've definitely got two, uh, board members who are very set on it. So the question then becomes um how high does the door uh the shed

because right now let me interrupt. Okay, we can put in one of those electric stairs to bring my mother up upstairs and we can leave it like this. She's happy either way. She just wants to move her daughter in cuz she was a few blocks away which she comes over there all the time. Right. So we were looking at this as you know what an improvement improvement right I personally and that's where we're at

the pitch the exact may this may just be me but the exact pitch of this overhang matching this does not that does not matter to me if it's close it's close the parameters here that you're working with are the top of the garage to right here so whatever the pitch ends up being we know roughly what it's going to this is the important more most important piece of information in my mind that it's starting and and stopping right that's how I feel they're not on the same plane so I personally the exact pitch doesn't matter I I do matter I am more concerned yes I think it's more appropriate

because you don't have you have dormers on this building but they're not it's a very contempl is a is a bit Disney vibe, you know, and and everything else is very contemporary. There's there and and I think adding these details is a little bit twe for something that Yeah. You want to do it this way, that way. My mother-in-law's going to be happy. There you go. She's my father-in-law. I know he's going to be watching at the end of Sorry. I don't think it's going to happen. So, as far as the light fixer is concerned,

well, I I mean my my question is is that what what uh direction do we give them concerning this shed? Am I correct that what we're saying should be a straight shed all the way across? Let's eliminate the doors filled with each door. Straight shed roof and then uh the shed roof. um what we're talking about is is 3 foot right approximately might be 3'2 3'4 you know okay within a few inches the the question really then becomes you have to take a look at the at the door correct

because if you've got a screen door that swings out then uh obviously door is three foot am I correct three foot wide door oh yes yeah okay so then when it swings out it'll It'll come out to here to this edge. So, this edge has to be high enough so that it doesn't interfere with the doors. That's we're going to make this work. All right. So, there's like a little depth imprison. Well, what's going to happen is because if you could see the foundation there. Yeah. See that? That roll cement block that's going to carry across because of waterproofing, right?

And we're going to do the same thing on the inside of the onecar garage. It's all going to be waterproof. So there's going to be a 7 in step going up to the first floor. Okay. Concrete step or something. Yeah. Yeah. Cement block. Well, the whole curb in on the interior is going to be uh cement block. Correct. All right. So then the other question and the question after that is that what holds it up? What holds up? Same same brackets. I know. But the brackets are shown on the on the door. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that is not important. I just drew one a curved bracket here, right? You just have a a straight a straight bracket. Absolutely. Absolutely.

It'll be either painted or it'll be claded in in aluminum like the rest of the house. But I I would assume that you're going to have to have more than one at either end. No, not at all. You're not going to need anything in between. No. No. We're not going to need any intermediate brackets. Okay. This just so I can clarify what you're looking at here

on the inside of this here can be leveled just like a sophet. Right. Right. Then we wouldn't need brackets because everything is going to be with a piece of plywood. They every three or four feet you have a gusset to hold everything up by gusset. What do you mean? Yeah.

We have to So here's our roof right like that. a piece of plywood. This would be your framing. This would be your framing there. And you put a piece of plywood that is screwed to your rafters and to your plum cut. Oh, you you're talking about uh a gusset. A vertical gusset. Not in addition to what's on top that's going to be plywood, but a vertical gusset. Right. So that that is your bracket. That is okay. It'll be flat. So you don't even need this. No, we don't have that thrown in there. Oh, so then we get rid of the brackets. Get it gone.

But I said that was just thrown in there to Yeah. Okay. I think no bracket then. It'll be you you'll have a level uh what do you call it? Sophet straight across. It'll just carry right around. That's the intent. Yeah, that's the intent. Okay. So then the light fixture won't work because it assumed Well, I take a canon. Yeah, down light. Okay. So, um All right. So, we're It's going to be a shed roof all the way across

here, right? No, no. It's ending at the edge of the building. Really? It's going to start there, but at the sink. It's going to have light above the garage door right now.

And it it's going to come down here. It's going to project out 3 ft plus minus. And um it's going to have a straight Okay. Doors. That's it. Nothing hanging there. No, nothing f this is out.

Yeah. Windows going in any good. No. Yeah. So just drip just just Okay. Um do I have a motion concerning the application as we have modified? Um so we are the light fixture is no more. It'll be a can.

It'll be a can. Um the brackets are no more and a shed roof. Otherwise, we are comfortable with the vinyl siding and aluminum trim being reused from the from the side of the house. And the same roof. Yeah, that roof is a year old. I think we're going to uh I am comfortable with all of that. So, I would You're going to make a motion? would make a motion to approve the application as modified. As modified. Do I have a second? Yes. All in favor? I I

Okay. Do you have do you have the whole list? I'll get the new plan show. Thank you. Do we have electronic version of this? that came in very this this came in peace meal and not at least as far as I could see on the no on the website whatever was scanned in I it's not a whole

second that motion okay um So I I I guess the question uh really becomes You don't happen to have a a digital file of this, right? You just have No. No, I don't. No. Okay. Uh can does somebody have a clean copy that's not marked up? No. Well, it's not marked up. Oh, I do. Oh, I do. Basically, I'm going to scan. I can take a I can probably get a clear.

Well, I I've got a I've got a scanner. I can take No, I'm not I'm not going to get the whole thing. I'm just going to get this and this. That's the only thing I need. You want this clean copy? Okay. Yes. Got a clean.

Good. You're good. Thank you guys. Thank you. Have a happy and a happy new year. Good luck. A lot of curly paper going on this handle right now. So what the village had invested in a large format scanner? Come on, Abby. Oh yeah, you can PDF. Yeah. Yeah. hair ties.

No, there's hair ties around all of the papers.

That's I know I asked the question before, but when this uh property came before us originally was in 20 2 I believe it was um maybe we had this answered already but was the approval for replacement of all of these windows? No the second story edition edition using this way but so at that time of the approval that these windows were going to stay the same. Yeah, that's correct. Okay. So, it's not it's not an if you have an expired permit that's been

No, no, it's Yeah, it's a different project, but using the same material on the house. And these are the original wood windows. 1926. And I can't convince you to put up some storm windows and anything on them. Windows actually work. We're going we're going to very close mimic these. Um, so we're going to use a stimulated divided light, which will give a full exterior um OG uh wood divider uh both on the interior and exterior. So, they're going to look as original as possible. It's going to it's they're not going to be interior grills that have that like

they look better. Yeah, they look a lot better. No, I understand. Um but just in terms of U factor improvement, you're going from a U factor of one to a U factor of 28. Um just in terms of energy efficiency, you can feel the breeze through these windows right now. So

the interiors will still be wood though. Okay. There are windows to be replaced or are as numbered. Uh yes, uh we're doing just the top four for now. And then the second phase will be the bottom. Well, I thought I'd get the So they're aluminum clad. What? Yes. Yeah. Aluminum on the outside, wood on the inside. Right. Right.

Yeah. Uh, these are the 400s here. So, yes. Yeah, cuz it doesn't say open that I can see on here other than like screen aluminum. It's confirming that. Well, these were these were what were approved originally. Yeah. Were the 400 series. Well, that's what you're proposing. Yes. Yeah. So, the e the exteriors are are fibrex. Uh the screens are aluminum.

Um but the exteriors are are are fiber. So, it's not vinyl. Uh it's a it's a a fiber composite. Composite. Yes. and then amend the show that it's a little different because this is obviously the the primary facade of the house versus an addition of the rear. Yes.

Um but we're going to be removing the exterior casings and replacing those as well. Uh but we're going to mimic the traditional casing uh with the uh one by or 5/4x4 trim boards. Um, and then the same thing at the bottom with an uh traditional stool that you can see, but these are all currently clad in aluminum. So, we're going to uh we're removing the aluminum cladding and then doing uh we're going to use PVC uh for the trimers. These are this is a uh this is aluminum

uh yes, it's an aluminum store, but then the the Yes. and the wood windows. Um, but then this casing around the window is currently wrapped in clad aluminum. Aluminum wrap. Um, a wood clapper. Yes. So, you'll take the aluminum away. We're going to be taking the aluminum and then uh I can if you prefer uh but I usually use PVC just because it's a it it looks better for life and reduces the amount of What's the siding? It's aluminum siding apparently. There is presumably wood. Yeah, there's probably there there's I don't know what underneath the siding is currently. Wait, you're saying this siding of the dormers is aluminum or wood? That's aluminum siding. It's all aluminum.

Yeah. Oh. Oh, okay. Yeah. So that the So there's currently no wood. The window is also aluminum. It's the wood is encased in aluminum trim. So the original whatever it was 1940s or earlier than that, 1946. Yeah. 1940s uh uh trim boards and then they c a lot of times when they do siding they cap all that in aluminum and they go and then that weathers and and and

bleaches over time and then eventually you see the aluminum fur and it looks terrible. Um well the issue that we wind up dealing with is that if you change the the casings to something which is not aluminum then it the the difference between that and and the uh siding becomes very obvious visually very obvious. Well right now that aluminum has all deteriorated. So, if I cap that in brand new bright white aluminum, it's going to look different as well. Um,

and you're not planning to replace any of the siding, the the white aluminum. No, I'm I'm windows only. I'm just windows and doors. Yes. Well,

I I guess the question I would then have is that is there any reason why the windows can't be replaced, but the casing is left alone? In order to do new construction, that casing has to come off and then in order to take that casing off, that aluminum would have to come off anyway. Um because you can't gently remove aluminum. It would have to be replaced. And then like I said, I I like PVC as a product just because it weathers a lot nicer than aluminum does. Uh but if you guys tell me you want new wood capped in aluminum, I can absolutely do that.

Well, okay. And and and let me just clarify because the narrative says 14 original windows, but what you're telling me is right now it's just the second floor. Yes. Yeah. The CMA for all of the windows. Yeah. We just break it into Yeah. It's just going to be a phase one, phase two. Yeah. Oh, no. But phase two, which is the first floor, in fact um these windows are different than these. And these windows are different than the ones in the back.

Those ones in the back don't have any casing. Well, they are. So, I I need to cut the aluminum siding back to show those casings again. Cuz then when the when they resided, they jumped over the casings and that looks terrible. You want to add casings around it. Yes. So, I'm going to be removing the vinyl signing to the width of my casing. Uh I'll have to install a new uh aluminum J channel just to give it a J channel, but then I will have now exposed casings to make it look more traditional. because it always drives me crazy when they jump over patient. Yeah, it takes away from the look of the house.

Overall aim is just to match the existing style, but my kids bedroom get pretty cold right now. I'm trying to tape down. Yeah. If anything, I'm going to be res restoring this a more traditional look. Yeah. Well, this is the original. That's what the original looks like. Yeah. So, there's It doesn't look like That's not the original. Yes. This would be This is the original if you were restoring like this is what you would be after. But this you would But this is just not This is They didn't tap these aluminum because they didn't do the siding around it, right? Cuz it's stone. Yes. And then wood. Um but that this is all just uh uh five quarter flat boards,

which is the casing that went around it. Harder to see. It's not like a traditional brick mold. Um because these are all weight pockets. So they use five quarter by four, four and a half usually to cover the weight pocket on the exterior. You talking about the windows on the first floor? Yes. Yes. The reason they're they look different is because they're not clad aluminum. They're wood. Yes. This the surrounds. You're talking about the your exterior casing. replacing and um what are you going going to replace that with? He's he's asking for PVC.

Yes. But he's saying that he will do an aluminum wood. We prefer and we haven't asked for wood, but we could. It's I will say aluminum doesn't stand up to the test of time. Um and it also doesn't look as clean when finished. I think there are composits out there that serve yes better. Yes. Either of those options in

I I like ASAC. AAC is a is a is a very good material for for this application um because it doesn't shrink. it doesn't twist or turn over time. Uh, and then since we can use a hidden fastener system with it, uh, you won't see screw holes uh, or anything like that. It'll mimic the look of an aluminum clad. Uh, just give it more durability. I think that we we don't want the look of an aluminum clad basically is what we're saying. Yes, we know that's what's here, but we see this lovely.

Yeah. Oh, it it'll it'll mimic it'll mimic downstairs more because it's it's a true board that's on the window as opposed to like I said something clad in aluminum. Okay. I I I have a problem with PVC. I mean, I have I I have uh very rarely seen any PVC installation that looks decent.

I I I have pictures of mine that uh cuz there's little details you can do. Uh like I'm going to be putting uh what do they call it? They call it a historical PVC sill on it. So, it'll match the original sill. So it won't it'll actually have a new exterior little bump out underneath the window to mimic the original window more. Yep. It's it's a piece you just kind of you add on because the original sill is going to be removed completely because we're doing new construction

and we're doing new construction for a few reasons. Just for better insulation and to uh fully remove lead based paint. Yeah, I think I mean as far as replacements go, new construction is better. I can guarantee a much better insulated pocket with new construction than with replacement. Funny that on this side they left the wooden drip edges here. So, no, that is that's an old awning. Uh they used to have the little the little aluminum awnings over them. Yeah. But usually that's the width of the casing. Yeah. Well, that one I mean if you take a look at the front that's what

yeah what the if you will still at the top is uh the but then 10 and 11 doesn't have that. Yep. Because it's uh they jump the siding over it. I know. But they didn't jump the siding over it on the bottom. You looking at at 12 the two bottom windows. You can see that the the little rain cap at the top. Look at that.

Oh yeah. They they they didn't they didn't put the awnings on the above windows. They were just they just put those uh you can see the two brackets left and right of the window. Those were those old slatted small roof awnings that they used to put on windows. Yeah. Rain caps. Yep. To be the kitchen. That's why those always those always look rough over over the years as well. Um, okay. Uh, let's start with the first thing, the the windows. Anybody have any issues with the windows? Well, I'm just trying to understand what a little bit more what the exterior is here. from the end of some sites

and also to understand that you will remove this completely so that the and the window is essentially going to have the same um light dimensions like the Yes. Yes. Uh my window sizes had nothing. You're not shrinking the window opening. So you're removing this existing completely. Yes. Well, except uh you you're what you said is you're removing the sill. Yes. So, but I'm that my window my glass height is the same and I'm going to be putting a sill under the new window to to mimic a traditional sill. Okay. What What's the new sill to be made of?

You wanted to do PVC. I they make a a a sil mimicry uh out of PVC now um that has the same drip profile and everything the angles and everything of of a traditional wood sill and I'm just going to be mimicking that. Um what's the siding on the back? It's all aluminum. All the aluminum platform.

All right. So, uh let's get back to the windows. Um does does anybody have any comment concerning uh the windows themselves? I would assume that these are all the different windows

eras. Yeah, Fibrex is um it's a composite uh made up of reclaimed wood fiber and thermoplastic polymer fused together. It is an Anderson product. Uh is paintable. You're not proposing painting it. It's coming in white. It's coming in white. But it is a paintable. Yeah. And positive. Um, okay.

So, any comments concerning the windows? I mean, in general, we it it we never like replacing original windows. And and there are studies that do show that if you have a windstorm window with an original window, it has like really close to the same values as a new window. And you can fix these windows and you have to full scale replace the new window. Just saying. Well, you can replace it on uh an Anderson product, but you have to replace the entire sash, right? You can't just replace a Linton or something. Well, yes. In general,

general factory replacement versus a carpentry replacement. Yeah, but they all they all tilt in and pop out. Um, so it is possible to just sort of replace sashes. And then Anderson has the has a warranty as well. So where did we land on the prim and the cell then? Well, we didn't we didn't get still talking about the windows. The only reason I went with the the only reason I went with the 400 is that was originally approved. Yeah. Yeah, I I and I Yeah, different different use, different part of the house, but yes. Yeah.

All right. Am I am I correct that the window is in fact a wood window and that fibrex is just the the covering the exterior covering? There is uh the the fibbrret is is an extrusion on the exterior. Uh the interior of that beyond the fibbrret is all wood. So the really two separate materials sort of melts together. It's not packed the way that an aluminum it's not clad in fibreex. Correct. Yes. Okay. So it is solid solid material. the exterior, this composite material.

They had issues in the 90s, Anderson, with the original narrow lines when they did uh a vinyl coating on the exterior of the window and they would garbage and rotten. I would say thosely, they're always rotten. The sills are always rotten. The ex uh the exterior stop is always rotten. So, they moved away from that. Right. Uh Kim, do you have any any opinions one way or another on the window? We're just talking about the window right now.

I think replacing original windows with a replacement windows, it's not going to look the same, especially this number five. And if the concern is drafting windows, are there things that can be done to remedy that other than replacing the windows? Well, the the other reason for this is um ch small children in the house and the original wood windows uh all have been positive for lead

and anytime you open a window uh it can create lead dust. And for children's safety in mind, um, replacing those would be important and full frame removals is one of the reasons we chose to do that. I mean, our standards, we will approve an aluminum clad wood window. Correct. We will. I don't think our standards we're I don't think our standards I can't get them up on our phone but I don't think that the standards call for a composite clad wood would wood wood window correct it's just aluminum

I mean we we have approved composite materials for use on exterior surfaces whether they are specifically called out anybody pull out the windows right now

specifically called out in ter I can I remember what we talked about and and because there was a discussion concerning uh vinyl clad as opposed to aluminum clad. And uh typically the windows are what was previously dimensioned. It was wood with a cladding. This is different. This is something new. I feel more comfortable personally with a composite material like this, a solid composite that is a paintable material than an aluminum clad, which is kind of destined for failure in a different way. And aluminum is not paintable. So you're not, you know, it it is a uh more of a sheen kind of smooth finish that is more in my opinion noticeable than a than a composite material.

So I just want to know it's actually something we can say yes to. Um the other thing is um the configuration of this middle bay window. Are you proposing to have six over six instead of one? Oh, no. I would I would I would match. Yeah, I would match the exist 5 by 10 by four. What would uh we would do we would call that as uh 3V or 4V uh 3H as the vertical styles. Okay. So, four vertical and three horizontal

or five five horizontal, four vert. So, one, two, three, uh, horizontal styles and then one, two, three, four vertical. Just the individual bars. So, you would, but that would mimic that. Exactly. The bar you're doing with the bar, not the glazing. Okay.

Okay. So, that would be the same. So, I think as long as we have um we can't convince them to leave the window, so we're gonna um we will just have to check to see if we can approve a compositewood window. Well, I think that this is this is a new product um that we've never dealt with before. Um and and it's made of like wood fiber, right?

Well, yeah. I mean, basically it's a composite material. um which we're seeing more and more of as far as uh in lie of exterior wood because you know exterior wood tends to uh not do as well especially today's pine

I I guess my my concern is that um I I I don't have a problem with the window I do have questions concerning concerning the installation of everything else because um you know I I I again I just am very suspicious of PVC as a product. Um you know if we have a composite which is already prepainted then uh it can be painted again in the future. It's not prepainted. It is a white material. Correct. But it is paintable.

Yeah, PVC is also paintable with with proper prep. You have to sand it and then it can paint. You want me to read the windows section?

Um, windows shall be wood divided light or simulated divided light. Metal frame windows are permitted only if there is evidence of their historic use. Windows shall include an exterior sill or apron. No picture frame casing is allowed. Aluminum clad wood windows are permitted only in a finish historically consistent with the building. Units must be constructed in a manner in keeping with historic window wood windows. Windows constructed of or clad in a synthetic or composite material or proprietary compounds may be permitted only with a material sample approved by the HDRB. Such samples are approved on a case-bycase basis. The presence of existing units elsewhere in the district does not constitute continued approval by the board as suitably and suitability and appropriateness to the district may change as aging and weathering of new materials is observed. Approval of a synthetic or composite window material does not automatically constitute approval of matching trim or casing. Uh applications must include manufacturer cut sheet. Custom windows should be accompanied by a detailed shop drawing. Double hung units with simple light patterns using vertical rectangles or squares are recommended. Uh the proportion of any window should match door precedent as closely as possible. New construction obviously is preferred. Um so that is it.

All right. So yeah, uh I guess the question really is is that uh it sounds like we can approve synthetic material. Uh I guess the my question though is that uh it sounds like and and I can understand why we would have it. Uh some more information as far as the installation process. You're talking about essentially replacing the framing in its entirety.

Yes. So, the full original frame, buck frame, sill, all will need to be removed. Um, and then the new window will be installed into that existing box opening. Uh we do a uh weak dam at the bottom um with uh flashing tape uh just in case ever water ever gets behind the window, it can only go out. Um there is caulking behind the nailing fins and then there's going to be a flashing tape applied to the nailing fin to the existing sheathing to just give us a full exterior seal and then uh casing is applied after that. Um, and then if any anything gets ugly in removal, allow the the uh aluminum J channel that's currently existing, uh, we would just have to replace that with a new aluminum J because this isn't the most delicate process for moving these a lot of times.

Right. All right. I I guess the question is is that we'd like to see that in in a a detail. In the past, when we've had full window replacement, uh typically there's a section through the window which shows uh new new framing that we don't have that yet. But um that takes us to um

the the casings and uh the other parts of the windows that that you see. Um I I think um what are we what are we willing to to accept as far as the let's talk about one two three because those are probably the most prominent ones that we see where we have casings. Um obviously we're we're we're willing to give up uh aluminum clad casings. Um

I I can I can replace with pine and then aluminum cladding if if that's what you guys want to land on. Well, I think we want going um I mean the the ideal move if you're doing this is to remove all of the aluminum cladding. Yes. and then match the historic windows around what's underneath what's underneath and or model on this and then then do that would be what I would be most comfortable approving. I don't know. Um

removing aluminum cladding then you are running into all kinds of trouble and we need more details because then you know this this width for this casing is not the same as this. Yes. Because they the same style. So they when they typically when they uh cladden aluminum they jump over the interior or the shactifically. So when you take that off, you're going to have it it will now be smaller. It'll be smaller. And then how does the how does the aluminum cladding meet the new wood? So I it it needs to cover that seam. Right. So it's not going to look like that. It'll just look like that again. I would.

Right. though. What I was proposing is obviously removing that the the exterior aluminum uh uh cladding off. Uh removing the then exterior casing and then when my window fits into that uh just install the new casing of whatever you approve that will be the exact same width as the casing that or the the casings that were below it. But what if the aluminum sighting doesn't reach it? Will that?

Oh, yeah. I with with depending on the material you choose, I can I can make that fit. And then at worst, if I have to if, like I said, if No, it will. If I have to build out the back of the casing so that it touches or something like that, or if I just have to build a wider aluminum J to cover whatever gap there may be. Um cuz a lot of like I said in pulling these out there's a very high probability of the aluminum Jay getting damaged. Um because like again it's not going to be a very gentle process. And then on the side windows I'm going to have to be putting new aluminum J around it anyway. Yeah.

Because I'm going to be doing cutbacks on the uh aluminum clapboard. So the facing is there. Okay. So, so basically the the casings and uh I guess the other question is that for example the uh the sill uh is that going to be also wood clad and aluminum or well we're trying to steer away from Yeah, we're saying either wood or some composite a composite that we possibly approved before to match the original. Well, okay. I I would think that we would want the sill and the casings to be the same material.

Yeah. Yes. That's one of the reasons I I uh preferred PVC just because uh the PVC manufacturers make numerous sill profiles. Uh that will be an will be it'll be a color match because they're the same manufacturing. Okay. I I I guess um what it sounds like we're we're settling on because of the aluminum siding uh wall the aluminum siding of the dormers and the back facade is essentially wood with aluminum cladding. Am I correct?

Wait, what? Say that again. because of the uh the new window has to be set into this aluminum siding. So we're looking for uh a sighting that is rather the uh the f the faces uh not the faces the u the window surrounds the the window casings

and the sills should be aluminum and you know the question after that becomes uh do we go with artics underneath or do we go with wood you know is do you have any preference one way or another? If if we in fact uh insist that everything be clad in aluminum,

if if it's if it's going to be clad aluminum, it it would just be pine boards uh which is what are existing now. Uh uh or just pine uh p 54 um around the windows now. So if I have to replace it with that, I can. I don't prefer to do that because I like things that last a little longer than pine. Um because all it takes is Yeah. One excess moisture. I don't think that that is the right solution. Aluminum if if it's being clad, does it?

So DVC won't really hold a nail over time. I don't trust it to hold because pine will absolutely hold a nail over time. Um, and there's not many composite like you could do a hardy board, but hardy board absolutely can't hold a nail. Uh, especially if you're going to be trimming over it with a cladding. Um, and then I can't use anything pressuret treated uh because you can't wrap pressuret treated with aluminum uh because the chemicals in the pressure treating process uh cause aluminum to oxidize and kind of basically

I mean ideally to me it it it is either and I'm sort of saying two different things right now, forgive me, but it is either matching the siding or it's matching the window. Um Anderson obviously has a proprietary material that they don't make trim for, which would be great if they did, but it would be matching that look and feel of the exterior of the window uh as closely as possible. That that would be my preference. Uh I don't know what that is. We don't have a sample of if we had a sample of the window that would be helpful. the exterior. Um, I have I mean I have my Anderson's book here which will have a probably a more detailed cutaway of it. I don't know what the answer is. I I mean my feelings my feeling is is that uh realistically we're not going to see what is under the uh aluminum cladding that um if aluminum cladding as far as construction goes will hold nails better than uh Artex or uh

well it's what's under the aluminum that's the problem. I know. Well, that's what I'm talking about. We just heard that the uh the wood would hold nails whereas the other materials would not. I think we're just kind of suggesting a a not a long-term solution because we all know the quality of, you know, behind words and it's not Hold up on you'll lose a little if I were to clad the sill in aluminum, you're going to lose a little detail. Um cuz the a traditional sill has a slope to it, a rounded face, a nose.

That would just be square. It has a little detail to it. Whereas an aluminum cladding over it is just going to be square and it'll look a little more like they do now, which I never like the look of. Well, I I I guess the question I have is that um um the aluminum cladding is going to be is going to last at least as long as the aluminum siding. Am I correct?

The in my mind, the problem is not the aluminum, it's what's underneath it. and that, you know, the quality of of of a pine board now versus 40 or 50 years ago is completely different. So, you're just inviting that wood to rot underneath it. And then what's the what what are we what what are we doing at that? All right. Are are you talking about uh the wood clabards under the uh aluminum siding? No, I'm talking about the the new wood that that would be used to trim out the window and then be capped in aluminum.

I I I know. Well, and we're talking about some long-term solution, but I guess my question is is that uh how much longer before the sighting is is going to have to be replaced and the sighting here, the stone I think we're we're probably fine, but I mean, you know, uh ultimately is the um the wood that's underneath all that now is probably original to the house or or thereabouts, right? So, it's it's old it's probably old growth or old enough growth wood that it is in good condition. So, it's like it may not

or decent decent. I don't know. We don't know. Sure. So, a lot of old homes when you when you when you wrap the sills, especially sills in aluminum, um old wood lasts forever because it dries, right? If you're trapping the moisture in there, when you trap moisture in there, it tends to rot unfortunately. Yeah, I didn't that's something I do very often. I have to replace a lot of sills because a lot longer lasting than whatever wood that is going to be

I I know but but the question is we're talking about well we want to set up a long-term solution for these windows and or or the casings and so on. Uh but I I I guess uh are we creating a long-term solution for the windows uh in in a facade that is tenuous? I think what you're not going to be the final owner of this house, right? So the next person who comes if they want to restore the house and they take off the aluminum siding because they want to restore the wood cladding,

what do they find under under that? they find a replacement window that doesn't match the original casing. So then they have to replace the whole thing again. We're trying to be good stewards in this house, right? So it's it's hard to match a window under to to um to work with this existing non-historic aluminum siding, I think, is what we're all saying, right? So we're trying to figure out a solution that is the best for the house long term, far beyond all of us. And this is a really tricky situation because you don't want to take the cladding off, but you want to the window and you want to redo the siding. Yeah.

But this but this but the current casing that is the aluminum casing doesn't match the original casing. So it's just a really And also what comes off is not going to be able to go back on. Yeah. So we're most likely like Yeah. I I would because in removing the frame the sill is going to go no matter what. skin mints. So, it has to be has to be replaced. I would have to either rip down uh lead based paint and that's something I absolutely don't want to do.

I don't want table saws and lead based paint don't mix. Okay. Um, let's go back to the windows. Uh, do do we want to at least agree on what the window should be? I mean, realistically, uh, I mean, I'm open I'm I'm I'm open to it. It's not something that I love obviously, but I'm open to it. I think if we had a sample of the material here, that would probably be

uh dimensions. Well, but like of the existing so we understand how close the dimensions are if we can. Mostly up to me. I had a material home. Uh I didn't bring my bed sheet here. Um but a material sample of the exterior material the casing or the we're on windows now. are the fibrex that that for series Anderson I think a material sample uh I should be able I have a feeling would probably get us there it's shooting kind of blind and again like yes approved three years ago but for well for new

you two weren't here but also for a completely different um you know new construction not nearly as prominent from the street etc etc so it's a very different kind of process to work through uh I think That would help. I know that would help. I can I get you a I can either get you a demo window or a cutaway. Which do you prefer probably? Yeah, that's fine. All right. I I should be able to say one for my supplier. Uh but at worst is a window a demo window. Okay. Oh, yeah. Okay. Whatever is easier for I would Yeah. Yeah. Um I So there's that's my two cents on the window portion. But then the window surrounds it's

the casing. I don't quite I mean is there another composite material that you can suggest that's not PVC plastic you know that more matches what the exterior of the window is going to be that is structurally sound doesn't need to be capped um I mean I don't know what likeal right the fly ash like that kind of do they make a product

I can I can try to source that I can look into it. I I'm not 100%. Cuz at the end of the day, the advantage of a PVC product is that if I have to change a width, I can. With a boral, if I cut the unpainted, if I cut an edge, there's going to be a colored through. It's not colored through. And then I don't know how well those seal with the elements. Um, meaning if it's cut through, you mean? Yes. Like a Hardy board, if you have a raw, if you have a raw unfinished edge, it'll swell over time.

That's one of the reasons Hardy Board is not a product I like. Um, but I can tr if I can just follow what's is it because PVC isn't a natural product. What's our What's our reason? We in our guidelines, we don't approve plastic product. We don't approve vinyl. We don't approve vinyl fencing. We don't approve any kind of plastic. Got it. Okay. Got it. So, looking for a more natural

and material. And this is from the the the configuration or the the the construction of original PVC windows was terrible. Yep. Everything's come like Yeah. Like I'm sure light years from what it used to be, but still not what we want. Yeah, I I completely understand not wanting vinyl windows. Uh they always look cheap and they don't look great.

They perform better, but they don't look good. I understand that. Um okay. So, if you if you say no PVC, um I can I'm sure I can find another composite material if composite is allowed. Um there's just outside of wood there's not really a natural material that I can I think the composite you know we're willing to accept the fibers by but I should say we want to see the sample first but more of a a even the fly ash um kind of composite stuff I I will need to make sure that I can that's the boral right isn't that from boral fly ash composite

I'll just need to make sure that I can source a uh sill material from Um because that's that's kind of paramount to me because that's going to keep it as traditional as possible. Okay. Um but I can I can start calling around tomorrow to see uh what I can and cannot source. Okay. Um can we now that you know our concern?

Yep. Um, can you uh go back and prepare what we're looking for? I mean, because we I would like to see uh some details as far as your reconstruction. I mean, you're

uh you've got um you're talking about essentially ripping out the existing windows down to the, you know, the stud framing, right? And so I would like to see what uh at least with this uh this window series what the what would be going back and you know a detail sheet. I've seen plenty of uh these um they send you um sections through the window installation. if uh so

pulled from probably their website the P like a PDF that's showing the cut section the details of a a cut section of the installation or the the window itself. Well, the the window as it's being set into the existing conditions. Okay. Um I I definitely have pictures of previous uh projects. Um, but I I'm I I'm sure that Anderson has I would think some kind of detailed in your website probably have that I I photos from other like prog um projects that you've done would probably be helpful too like

sort of the stages and stuff of the installation.

Yep. So I I follow all of Anderson's uh the manufacturers that uh suggested for install. Um, I go a little above and beyond again with that that that flash sill and things like that. Um, I use a uh 6inch pine clat that gives me a five degree weep uh to the sill that goes at the bottom of the sill and then I flashing tape over that. Uh, that basically ensures that if any moisture ever gets in and around the window, it only goes out. Um, that's not something they suggest. Uh, they they don't suggest caulking behind the nailing pins. I always do that just a standard. Keeps any little bugs and critters. I also like after I tape that, that gives me three redundant seals between inside and outside. Uh we'll be doing spray foam insulation uh around the window for an interior seal and insulation.

And then um if there's any other pockets that the window doesn't touch, uh it's always rock wall. um for for if I'm if I have to insulate something. Okay. So, installation and and and install wise, um like I said, I I go above and yeah, because at the end of the day, if uh I love my customers, but if they never call me again, that's a good I did my job well. Okay. So, um we'll put you on the agenda for the January meeting. Okay. All right. And if you could uh gather up all of the material that we're looking for and

All right. And if you have uh some samples. Yep. I'll bring a window sample. Okay. So, I'll bring a window sample and then I'll find at least hopefully at least two composite materials that uh can be worked with. Right. as far as the casings and the and the sills. Yeah, the the the sill is the only thing that might be a real hard thing to find. Um, but we've got confidence in you that you'll do that at at worst if I have to on-site manufacture a sill, I can do that. Okay. Depending on whether the material is something I can run through a table saw or not.

Right. Okay. Okay. next meeting. Okay. Uh do we have a date for that yet? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. January, it's the third Tuesday probably. 19th. Sorry. 20th. January 20th. 19th. January 20th. Oh, yeah. Um if you uh I believe Abigail has my email. If you guys need to contact me for any reason, please do. Okay. Or if you or even better if anybody ever needs to

have windows any uh but if you have any questions or anything uh beyond tonight, please feel free to give me a call because the other day I can I can make your job easier. You'll be making mine. Yeah. All right. Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay. Okay. Um, debrief legal training. Legal training was uh very good and helpful. So good. Yeah,

it was so helpful. It answered so many questions and now I have like a gazillion more. But um yeah, that was the best thing that Did you get the email? Cuz he emailed the answers as well. I did. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Um um I was having a conversation with Kathleen the other day and she actually said, "We can do this every year." Oh, well, we should. I mean, yeah.

Well, that's so helpful. It it just um understanding the legal procedures because uh we are governed by state law and understanding that if we have a question we should email him. Yeah. Right. Right. And that's what we should be doing a lot. So that's that's really well except not a lot but not a lot. Right. Not too much but but we sort of run here. The thing that the thing that you have to keep in mind is that uh he gets paid for time he spends on it

and and uh basically I don't know how much of a budget do we have for legal advice or let me ask I am continuously surprised at how much funding is available like when I asked for the printing like I was like can we have one copy for Yeah. And I was like, "Yeah, like I just I feel like we can maybe do a little more than Okay. You're talking about the uh we're just allocating funds designing guidelines. We don't supposed to be here, but they're not here. So, I will follow.

I mean, the thing that you have to keep in mind is that typically what he does is he works off of um the uh what is what is it called? the the fund that the escrow account we don't have that so uh but the thing is is that I I think that the village would be willing to cover if we have periodic questions so that's why you just you have to be careful

well I just think like for for example a project like one depot square like if I knew that we could have at least contacted the lawyer in the very beginning. Like that would have made me feel like they want to. Okay. Um and apparently all the other boards do that quite a bit. So well that's because they have escrow accounts. We don't typically isn't a lawyer paid out of escrow accounts. I think you guys do have We have an escrow. We've been through that. Like am I insane? No, we have an escro account. That's like when anybody pays a fee, it goes into the escrow

like for um public hearings that come under their escrow. All right. So So that is an escrow account that we can tap into. Yeah. For Yes. But there has to be an applicant that contributes to that. So what I'm sorry, can you rephrase the question so I understand? If we're sure that if we are sure that an application is going to be going to a public hearing as we were sure of from day one of one depot square, we could have said we could have requested funds from the applicant to go into the espro account. Absolutely. Yeah. This I didn't know until we met with the lawyer. So, okay. But I I

I guess the the reason I I hesitate is that we've had some previous applications where the amount of money that we hit hit the applicant up for was quite a lot and had and and it's something I don't especially want to get into, but the escrow account that that Aby's talking about is uh only comes up with an application that goes to a um public hearing,

right? So, I just want to be formal. This is chapter 57 part or section 11, I'm not quite sure. Um certificate of appropriateness under initial deposit, it's an escrow of $1,000. When it's depleted to 500, it's redeposited to the $1,000 level. And if there's I guess a certificate of financial hardship which I'm not quite sure if that has to do with this what chapter 57 I believe reimbursement of expenses okay that isn't in chapter 64 is our is the HDR and collect that

from the beginning so it doesn't come as a surprise later that's where we're at the beginning be application fee which would be zoning and pay we can't keep track we've talked about but that dollar amount is going into escro account supposed to be collected up front I know for a certificate of appropriateness there's a running balance in this escrow anything there needs to be because a consultation

answers. This is sensitive. If there's thousands in there at any given they're notified, right? Exactly. So it's like Yeah. Chapter Chapter 57. Okay. Chapter 57 says that we can get an escrow account of up to $1,000 for certificate of appropriate. That's right. Mhm. That's what he said at the meeting. I mean, I know. Well, I I didn't because that our chapter is 64. I didn't even know about 57, which is the

Is that a separate escrow account for every potential application? It is. It's a new account that's set up. Yeah. And And when we're finished, the balance goes back to the applicant. Yeah. And so I know there the codes to answer your question. I know the codes for the accounts are organized by board, right? But I'm not quite sure. Could you clarify? No, that answers that kind of answers I guess my my point because Lauren brought up the application fees be is that that is deposited into an HDRB general fund. That's so that goes in the general fund and then escros go in a different fund.

That goes in a village general fund. the care fees go in the village general fund and the escros are just put in an account that's held and they dropped out. So I mean occasional questions to the attorney from our board from your board related to that application come out of that account. But if it's just general I mean because this is the like right if if we had a question about a general kind of question that is triggered by a certain applicant we can't we can't charge that applicant. So, it would just be paid from the village general fund. That is a good question. I'd have to ask our treasurer, but I want to say that there should be some sort of budget set aside for something like that,

right? So, I can ask if if our application fees are not being dedicated for our use in in which feels like they should, but um I can get details when when we prepare the budget. Uh I don't recall ever seeing anything where we set aside some money for you know out of our general funds. I mean the the fact that we have we can ask for an escrow account under this chapter 57 is something which I was unaware of. But that's tied to each individual applicant.

Well any escrow account is tied to each individual applicant. But I'm what we're kind of more talking about if we want if we have general questions that come up and we want clarity that comes out of the general fund. General fund, right? Like the you send the lawyer the Ca and the notices like the the language that you use to get his feedback on them. That will come out of the general fund. Yeah. But for example, we haven't gotten anything. Have you been?

We have not had a response about that yet. I guess follow up. But but for example, if if there's a project for like one depot is a perfect candidate for very upfront saying, "Okay, this is definitely going to go to a public hearing and we're going to have the lawyer sit on in on like every for every other board meeting that we have and so that's what this is going to cost and that part of your application fee that's going in CX throw and if he comes bless you get the money back, but if he doesn't, this is just part of it because that's a huge project. It's not like a homeowner is replacing their windows. Like this is a money generating product that costs a lot of you know. Yeah.

Like a good idea. Yeah. Too late now for that obviously, but yes, I agree. Yeah. Well, it's not necessarily too late. Uh depending on what is the status of one of um they mentioned that they would get back to me after the holidays. They're looking out another workshop, right? That was can Yeah, because that that we were in that that they're hoping to get something from S.

Okay. Um Okay. um chapter 57 everybody should take a look at that just so that they understand what it is that we uh get. So moving forward we can assume should can we assume that the board collectively or individually if there is a pertinent question that we can ask the attorney and he will be paid from the village general fund or do we need to clarify that with somebody? Well, if if the question has to do with a specific project,

it's not to do with a specific project. It is a general question that has been triggered by, oh, well, you know, we have had two recent applicants that yada yada yada, we should really have more clarity on how to handle that the village part of their government. Yeah. I think that's how we operate, right? And we and we have to have we have we done Yeah. Have we have we uh done our budget for this next year? I don't believe so. Okay. When does that do usually? No, it was it was we finished it, right? In other words, the budget for next year is already set.

That's a good question. All right. Can you check on that and let us let us know? Does the HRB submit our own budget or so we we are supposed to be submitting a budget every year? Yeah, we do. Okay. You do well and I have done some of them in the past. Usually when they come up I I wind up doing it. Okay. But it's usually done in like November or something. They probably don't offer the calendar. Well, it depends on what the calendar is concerning the uh is it a is it an orther a calendar or is a fiscal calendar

fiscal? Yeah. Something that's some other time. Yeah. All right. Budget Okay. Um, moving on. Non-compliant properties update update from artificial intelligence regarding a letter to him. Well, in the last v in the last monthly report that we sent to the village, we said that we were going to send 70 Main Street a letter with photographic evidence saying that no, we think they did install those windows. Okay.

I bet they need to do something about that. All right. That's what we got. I didn't realize that that was something which I had to take care of. Now, you sent you sent the pictures of other than somewhere in my computer. We have You want me to re read?

Please, please do that because other I know um I'm going to have a hard time finding that. And then I think after that is done then I'm going to send a letter to the board because we're kind of like building our case with the monthly report. Then I'm going to send a letter to them um and see and we are sending a I'm drafting a letter that we are going to edit together and send to both the building department and the village requesting some sort of formal timeline uh to deal with the violation. all the open violations, all the which we have now learned that are completely up to the code enforcement, right? We have not alerted them.

We did alert them. We did. Yeah. The new ones, right? And the thing is the first ones. Well, but I think what we should do is is frame a proposed timeline, right? So like six within six months, right? because if we're going to ask them for for input, it may be years before we get a response. No, I think No, that's the idea. So, I'm finishing that draft and then I will sit with it to everybody and we can either talk about it at a meeting or maybe we can have a Zoom call or just do it over email.

All right. Okay. Uh, design standards committee. That's me and Kate. Um, and we've looked through the drive to see what's what. And we're also going to meet with Sean to figure out what was left off and where as best we can. We're going to try to get Okay. Because I thought that there was a a uh a table of contents that had been prepared which because we're talking about various appendices. Yes. Yeah. There is a table of contents on the website with the standard. Okay. But there are there's a missing section. Yeah. Right.

So that's what we're talking about. So we have we see these things that are on the drive, but we just want to make sure with Sean and you for example, and if you were here too that these are the latest drafts, okay, that we can that and I think I sent I downloaded off of a drive and sent the latest that I could find. Yes, that's what that's everybody. So, you're going to be confirm that that's it. Yeah, we're just confirming and then we can add things. Okay. Um, is there any um do we is there any reason why we had need to reach out to Lloyd?

I think Sean, if he's able to answer find out from him because Lloyd was the one who was the he was running point with the designer, right? there. No, no, he didn't meet with the designer was there is no designer. It was the it was the uh the firm that prepared the original design standards. No, I'm saying the designer who laid the entire document out. Oh, okay. Yeah. I I I think we I think I think we all What is the latest? I think Sean. Yeah, I think Sean

and and if I remember correctly, one of the appendices has to is a list of resources. Mhm. And I think we already started doing that with uh uh Butterfield Library. And so rather than that being an appendix, we should probably just build on that because we sent them a list of of uh documents I'll I'll forward. We sent them a list of documents. Documents.

Yeah. And and I think they actually have when I was over there for some event uh I saw there was a uh section of the the shelves where they had these documents already like the old surveys and stuff. No, no, no. These are, you know, uh, you know, the, uh, the books and, um, Oh, okay. So, like titles of books, resource, resources, brief, right? Yeah. And then we confirmed with the lawyer, too, that we can put the preservation briefs up and that we can list, you know, linked articles. Yeah. And even places like the um,

the more robust that section of the website is, the better. Yeah. And like the what the Borski emporium like we can link to them because they provide salvage materials but we can't make a list of contractors or things like that. Yeah. No, but all of that on the website would be really good. Okay. Are we talking about butterfield library website or the website within like in our board section of the website? Okay. Yeah. because they have they have the reference library. So, it's no use duplicating that.

No, we're talking about linking out to like the the National Trust and different preservation briefs and stuff. Okay. People are way more likely to go to the village website to our page and, you know, click here then go over to the library, I think, and we can make a note that library. Sure. Oh, yeah. Other materials. Yeah. But okay. Um, I'm not sure I agree with that because, uh, the question really becomes um, if you're going to look up some information, I would think the first in inclination would be to go to the library. I think that is 100% not the case.

Absolutely 100. Like people are in their bed and they're like got their laptop and they're that's very that's very nice of you to think that people are going to go to the library, but that It's like four or five. Yeah, it's like amazing. That ship sailed about 30 years ago. I would go to library. I love libraries. I do too. But yeah, I am fully aware that I am a special breed at this point. But it's Yeah. Do we have minutes? Any minutes? No. Um October and November. Oh, which is

Yes. Go ahead and do it. No, I think we still have like right or we still we're still not caught up, right? We have like a section in the middle that is not.

Thank you. Thank you.

Yeah. Over 28. That's a special works out. Yeah, it does. Oh, should we say the um historical stone marker? Placement of the historical stone marker. Right. Memorial. Memorial. You're on October.

Yeah. October 28th. Um the board requested information of placement of the historical stone memorial and the flag pole and signs. Historical stone memorial. Um the flag pole and the historic signage. Okay. Um, you requested lock sets and details on the door.

Probably details on the lock sets and the door because there were no lock sets. There were no locking mechanisms shown in the drawings. Well, okay. the drawings are like well, but we had told them, you know, not don't don't get into the weeds yet until you have a a uh a plan or a layout that is approvable. I don't I don't remember talking about the details on the door. I do. You

I did. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I I mean it it Yes. So I would maybe just say uh requested details on the doors and lock sets. Oh, but I think we also had questions about the like how the new pavilion would relate to the historic building. That was like the major question, right? Right. We were like details on roof lines and like hardscaping, right? like the wall and and how how the two would be married.

Well, yeah, I I I think we can probably modify the second sentence. Uh Kate requested the existing site plan and the new site plan which is clear with elements in in place uh with reference to the existing or existing buildings to illustrate the relationship of the existing and proposed. Yeah. Reference to with reference to uh uh not with reference to illustrate the relationship of the existing the existing historic structure in the proposed pavilion. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Do I have a vote or or a motion concerning the minutes of meetings for October 28th with the changes that were identified? Uh, I'll move to approve the minutes as modified by Adam. Second.

Favor say I. I. Um, okay. November 8. golf with 70 Main Street. Double plate on top. Um,

okay. Then why don't we just add at the end? uh did not vote on this application at that time. The applicant will return uh will return for the next meeting with the materials requested. I can't hold on. I'm sorry. Just give me one second. Parents read our turn. We talked a lot about the next meeting, but we approved it based on our specifying. Yeah, we marked up a drawing. One of us marked up a drawing.

Yeah. and ask them to make any changes on 23rd. You spec you we a drawing for the location of the conduit and the inverter and that's how that's what it was approved based on. Uhhuh. So it's not as submitted as modified.

Okay. pointing Parrot Street. His application is modified and then shouldn't it be a 50 vote? I don't I I'm sorry. I think what I failed to mention in the beginning I want to say that was right after or I'm sorry right before Kimber. Oh, you think it was late? Yeah. Okay. So, I can add that in the beginning right under the me the title that you joined at a later time. Okay. Yeah, perfect. Do you want to add in Al here that you marked the plans up and they were approved as you

right relates to conduit and inverter? Yeah. Why don't we change uh Ace Glinsky request electronic version of plans uh in order to document to documents changes and then change the motion. Approve the application as modified. uh requested an electronic version of the plan submitted in order to document changes.

In order to document change is requested by the board. Okay.

Okay. pretty Main Street. Um, probably should add something in about the board discussing the height and construction and style of the fence and gates. um and changed the style. Yeah, it wasn't a ticket. Yeah, we approved a picket. Yeah,

like a solid eye then that long ago. Um I probably look at the the I can look at the video and come back a little bit. Can we just say the board discussed the style construction of the fence and gate is then in a motion to approve the application as modified it says spaced pick it. So that's kind of clear.

Well, yeah. I mean because we the space pick it should be part of the discussion. So, uh, what do what do we want to be? Let's The fence would be located behind existing trees, making it less visible from the street. The board discussed um the style and construction of the fence and gate materials.

Materials style, material, and construction of the fence and gate. Um, and agreed. And you want to say and agreed on or an agreed on base fencing as the on there, right? And and then you can just say motion to approve the application as modified. Okay. Get rid of space picket. Put space picket up above and say and the board agreed on space picket for the style of the fence. Okay.

Space pick it and then you can remove that. 204. I think we need to note that this was an already built without approval and we should say it's vinyl and we should say it's visible and then we should say that the board did not um said that this would not be approved as built. So yeah, sorry.

Paragraph say nationalally listed area historic district blah blah blah applicant application for a CFA to approve to approve an already constructed for that vinyl fence vinyl fence around the pool was in installed. Uh and then you get that. So, a visible vinyl fence around the pool and then um that was installed without approval. And then the next

we could say the board discussed the visibility of this fence from various public rights of way. Um, I I guess the question is, is that uh is this the fence around the pool or because it says install a four 4 foot high fence to No, no, no. We're on the back. Oh, we're on the back. Well, the back says we didn't vote on the project. We didn't. We We talked about it for probably a half an hour, right? Well, I think we should note that we said we would not approve it after it was built. Yeah. So, we said the board discussed

Yeah. The board discussed the visibility of the fence from various public rights of way and noted that this fence would not be approved as it is as it was constructed. based on the materiality. All right. Um, the applicant promised to return uh

what seeation list. Is that on was that added to our violation list? I guess it it should be right. Yeah, but he hasn't returned yet. So, let's just give him the benefit of the doubt. I just meant our spreadsheet that we have at least so we we don't forget, right? Any any other comment adjournment? Um, did you get all of the uh what they were talking about as far as main 204 Main Street?

I did. Okay. Uh, I will make a motion to approve the minutes as modified. Second move. All in favor say I. I. I'm ready to leave. I will make a motion to adjourn our meeting. OMG. All those in favor. Do I have a second? All in favor say I. I would like um Oh, we got

window company. We have it, right? Why would we need this for any? I don't think so because he's unless he is he on the um emails. You are madam. Thank you. One second. I'm sorry.